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Newcastle United have reportedly made Tom Davies a "key target" and are looking to sign the midfielder from Everton this summer.

According to MailSport, Steve Bruce is keen to build on an English core at St James's Park by adding Davies to his team and the Magpies will apparently try and sign him from the Toffees for around £12m.

Davies was a regular in Everton's first team last season due to injuries suffered by Fabian Delph, André Gomes and Jean-Philippe Gbamin.

The report suggests that Marcel Brands has a higher price tag on Davies and would prefer to jettison some of his higher earners before selling younger players.

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Andrew Bentley
1 Posted 15/08/2020 at 16:32:55
Not that I believe that this is true but, if they were offering anywhere near that money, then we should be offloading him! If he wasn't a Blue that had come through our youth system, I don't believe anyone would be keen on him staying as he's not good enough.
Philip McKeown
2 Posted 15/08/2020 at 16:38:01
I will give him a takey on a unicycle.
Steve Shave
3 Posted 15/08/2020 at 16:55:44
I hope this thread doesn't turn into another Tom bashing.

I think he has not lived up to his promise and, let's face it, he hasn't looked good enough this season but neither have most of them. However, he seems like a good lad who will have a decent professional career.

If that figure is accurate, I think we should give it some serious consideration. Tom too should think carefully; he has been getting grenades all season from the crowd and a change might do him good. If we sold, he would go with warm regards from me.

Personally I'd like to have him as cover next season and we work hard to offload Delph and Gylfi instead. I'd like 2 new CM's please, Allan and a hungry up-and-coming player in the Sangare, McKennie, Koopmeiners category.

David Woodworth
4 Posted 15/08/2020 at 16:56:05
If only it were true.
Pat Kelly
5 Posted 15/08/2020 at 16:56:48
Bite their hand off. He's not Premier League level and never will be.
Patrick McFarlane
6 Posted 15/08/2020 at 17:14:02
Tom has his faults but, to be fair to him, he's carried too much of the burden alongside a half-hearted Sigurdsson and a half-fit Gomes, I wouldn't sell him because he's the type that will flourish alongside the right partner plus he may not make the first team every week but can be a useful squad player.

Get rid of those who don't want to play for Everton first before sacrificing a kid that has talent and might be a late developer. Plus his wages aren't anywhere near those who he is competing with at Goodison. Is that the real reason he might be sold, because to keep him would mean he gets a pay-rise?

Steve Brown
7 Posted 15/08/2020 at 17:15:51
Keep Tom and sell Sigurdsson – he can be a decent squad player with better senior pros around him. Plus his salary is £25k a week compared the £100k Sigurddson earns to stink the place out every week.
John Graham
8 Posted 15/08/2020 at 17:17:27
I thought he was a really good prospect when he first came on the scene but seems to have gone backwards ever since. Not sure if in his mind he thinks he's good enough but needs a lot more. Maybe a move is best for him and us.
Kieran Kinsella
9 Posted 15/08/2020 at 17:19:39
Newcastle valued Longstaff at 50 million. What can you get for 12 if you sell Tom? Another third tier prospect like Lookman? Niasse if you’ve a 10 percent off coupon. No point selling Tom for comparative peanuts when he’s on comparative peanuts.
Christy Ring
10 Posted 15/08/2020 at 17:21:36
Steve @3 Completely agree, he's only 22, and on £25k per week, keep him as a squad player. Delph is 30, and on £80k+, Sigurdsson 30, and on £100k+, if we could offload these two, it would be great business, but I can't see anyone offering that kind of money.
Sam Hoare
11 Posted 15/08/2020 at 17:31:49
I'd rather lose Sigurdsson. Or dare I say it Gomes. Both are much older and paid 4 times more than Davies. I don't think any of the 3 suit a 4-4-2. Oh to have Allan and Sangare lining up for us next season!

If a great offer came in for Davies, I'd probably take it but I think it's unlikely after his underwhelming season. I think the best thing for him next season may be a loan to a good Championship team (or even Fulham or West Brom); wherever he will be an established starter and get 30+ starts in the central midfield role I think he best suits. Then we'll have a better idea of how good he is.

Joe McMahon
12 Posted 15/08/2020 at 17:36:32
The truth is we would be better with an entire new midfield. Ignoring wages, all of them have under-performed, and always will do. Tom at least tries but has just not progressed.

I felt we would have been better keeping Vlasic and Lookman; neither were given enough minutes.

Jim Harrison
13 Posted 15/08/2020 at 17:37:50
Will he ever be a first team regular when a full squad is available? To my mind: No. He isn't developing physically in the same way as Holgate and Calvert-Lewin and our midfield is in need of some strength

Is £12 million for a squad player a good price? Would you be worried about him in an opposition team when we play them? I would say he's worth a bit more, but would take the money to buy the players we really need and look to the academy for back up.

No one stood out in the middle this year, but at least Gomes has some pedigree. Davies has a few good games over the course of a season but never consistently so far. He's no Barkley, who when he was sold undoubtedly had quality but questionable as to whether he could consistently be brilliant. Davies is nowhere near his level

Dan Nulty
14 Posted 15/08/2020 at 17:39:36
Utter rubbish. No way anyone would be buying him.

I agree with someone above, keep him and sell Sigurdsson.

Pete Hughes
15 Posted 15/08/2020 at 17:42:49
If we haven't got a clue about how good/bad he is after FOUR seasons we never will!
Alan J Thompson
16 Posted 15/08/2020 at 17:43:30
Given that we might bring in only two midfield players in this window, I would not have Davies at the top of the list of those who will have no place in a squad, at least until we have seen the value or otherwise of other youngsters already on the books.
Brent Stephens
17 Posted 15/08/2020 at 17:56:06
We still need to bring in two really good midfielders. Until then (and maybe even then) he should stay.
Gavin Johnson
18 Posted 15/08/2020 at 18:06:52
It's all well and good people saying they'd like to lose Sigurdsson first but who in their right mind would pay money for Sigurdsson?!

I find it hard to believe that Newcastle want Tom Davies but, if they do, we should bite their hands off because the useless trio of Davies, Delph and Sigurdsson all need to go.

If we sold Davies for £12M we'd only need to add £3m or so and we could buy Sangare.

Mal van Schaick
19 Posted 15/08/2020 at 18:07:00
He's not up to Premier League level, so I would sell him. We need a midfield rebuild.
Mike Gaynes
20 Posted 15/08/2020 at 18:13:38
He would look quicker in those vertical stripes.
Kenny Smith
21 Posted 15/08/2020 at 18:16:18
I’d sell him in a heart beat. Absolutely never going to be anywhere near the player we thought he’d be when he broke in to the first team. He’s not what we need. Mike Milligan with a wig on.
Daniel A Johnson
22 Posted 15/08/2020 at 18:24:01
Funniest rumour I've read all season – it's total crap.

Unless the Newcastle scout had downed copious amounts of Newcastle Brown Ale, no way would he watch the misplaced passes, lack of movement, snail-like pace and think "Christ, I need to sign this kid!"

As much as I hate seeing Tom Davies in an Everton shirt, he's a good cheap squad player and it makes no sense to flog him at all. Delph is the money leech that needs to go this summer.

John McHugh
23 Posted 15/08/2020 at 18:26:02
Tom Davies has played over 100 games for Everton, can someone please tell me what he brings to the squad?

Sigurdsson has been shite all season, so you'd expect Davies to eclipse him; he hasn't.

I really wanted this kid to progress, but I'm sorry he hasn't. He's not good enough to play midfield for Everton Football Club.

People go on about his age, then maybe we send him out on loan, see how he gets on. But, at this present moment in time, he shouldn't be anywhere near the first team.

I honestly think Carlo has been constantly been playing him, so he can say to the board, "Look what I'm working with?"

Onwards and upwards UTFT.

Robert Tressell
24 Posted 15/08/2020 at 18:34:34
I'd like to see how Davies looks with a higher line defence pushing him closer to the forwards. He's been completely exposed by a deep defense in 4-4-2. In a better set-up, I expect he'd be quite effective.

Like others, I would rather see Delph and Sigurdsson gone. If he was available for sale, there'd be plenty of takers.

Danny Broderick
25 Posted 15/08/2020 at 18:43:22
For me, Davies needs a season out on loan somewhere in the Championship, I wouldn't be looking to sell him just yet. He has played most of his career alongside Morgan Schneiderlin for God's sake, who never helped him out and never showed for the ball.

The Everton midfield has been a disaster for the last 3 or 4 years. Tom has at least been trying to get in the ball, dictate the play and get stuck in.

If we sell him, so be it, but I can't help feeling that there is a player in there somewhere. He needs to work on ball retention, but there are players I would like to get rid of before him...

Steve Brown
26 Posted 15/08/2020 at 18:52:48
John @ 23, Sigurdsson has also played 100 games for Everton, earns 4 times what Tom does and is, as you say, shite. So Tom should leave before him? Strange logic.

Mike Gaynes
27 Posted 15/08/2020 at 19:09:59
Steve, got it... you want to sell Sigurdsson and keep Davies?

So... um... just curious... has anybody come in for Sigurdsson?

Wanting to sell a player is only half the equation. Somebody has to want to buy them.

Selling or not selling Davies is totally unrelated to selling Sigurdsson.

Howard Don
28 Posted 15/08/2020 at 19:17:50
Still think there's a decent player in Tom. He's been asked to shoulder a lot for a young player in the last few years, and should have been getting more support and help from the senior pros around him.

There's a few others on higher wages (crippling us) I'd prefer to see gone and at least a couple of decent midfield players brought in – plus Gbamin back. Tom then gets a chance to develop without having the big load he's had on his back, given the dross he's had around him.

James Newcombe
29 Posted 15/08/2020 at 19:18:14
I’d keep him, he never seems to get injured and would be very useful as a squad player.
Alan McGuffog
30 Posted 15/08/2020 at 19:20:57
If he played for our lovely neighbours, he'd command a fee in excess of £20 million.
Gary Willock
31 Posted 15/08/2020 at 19:25:53
We need a squad, not just a team. That's 4 (maybe 5 if we want some variety!) midfielders for Carlo's 4-4-2.

Given Gbamin simply can't be relied on, that means we already only have Delph, Davies, Gomes and Sigurdsson to call on here.

Delph is an expensive crock who'll spend at least half the season injured. Sigurdsson isn't really even a centre-midfielder to begin with, and has shown he hasn't got the bottle to become one.

So, even if we got 1-2 new ones in, it would still be a huge gamble to get rid of Tom before we know if Gbamin can make it back.

Personally, I think I'd rather take the gamble that we can get rid of Sigurdsson or Delph later in the window. Maybe they don't want to go, or no-one will buy them (as Mike says); it's still a better gamble than letting Tom leave with the lack of depth we have at the moment.

Tom Bowers
32 Posted 15/08/2020 at 19:26:56
When you're a midfielder, you either have to tackle well or grab a few goals to stand out. Tom does neither although he works hard which sadly doesn't get appreciated often enough.

As he is probably contracted on a lot less money and tenure than the others, they are likely to let him go at the right price.

Dave Williams
33 Posted 15/08/2020 at 19:31:57
Tom needs a settled position with some decent players around him in midfield; only then will we see if he is good enough. The lad has been messed around something rotten because of the sheer ineptitude and disinterest of so-called stars like Sigurdsson, Schneiderlin and Delph – I will excuse Gomes on account of him still recovering from injury.

His sale would certainly cause a big problem: who would the boo-boys use as their whipping boy?

Jay Harris
34 Posted 15/08/2020 at 19:33:20
At the moment Tom still has potential but as other have said the likes of Delph are occupying the treatment room and are espensive to boot.

Get rid of Delph. Someone must want or need him, followed by Bolasie, Sandro and Tosun, keep Tom for nest season then make a decision.

Derek Knox
35 Posted 15/08/2020 at 19:42:27
I'm not Tom bashing by the way, but if this is true we should cash in. Let me explain, how many chances has he had to make an impact at the expense of other young, probably more skillful players?

How many of the games he has played in thus far, has he actually shone in? It's all very well saying with better players round him etc, etc. If he had genuine talent, it would have well surfaced and been visible by now!

Oliver Molloy
36 Posted 15/08/2020 at 19:44:53
Surely Sigurdsson will start playing out of his skin soon. His contract with us is up 2022 and he will be looking for one final contract.
Paul Birmingham
37 Posted 15/08/2020 at 19:52:01
Personally,as much as I've wanted Tom to progress and improve, I think he's, not progressed and he's been around now for enough time to have improved.

But I'd keep Tom, all season, and priority offload Delph, Sigurdsson,etc the shirkers, the lazy arses, who don't have any commitment to the cause on the park.

I hope that we don't trade any of Everton's decent assets and become an even worse squad.

Surely this preseason, some proven players can be brought in to bolster the squad with a good fit and chemistry.

Here's hoping.

Ian Horan
38 Posted 15/08/2020 at 20:40:22
"Let's not turn this into a Tom bashing thread!!!" But it's okay to bash Sigurdsson? Gylfi didn't set his transfer fee! He is paid a below-average wage! He has played mainly out of position left wing midfielder when he was signed to play No 10.

Now can we keep this to a should we sell or not Tom, imo he has had a similar rise to Jack Rodwell. The latest golden child from the acadamy, ummm that went well.

To me, Tom will be a journeyman, lower Premier League or Championship at best. However, a squad player, yes, for £20 mill I would sell. But again we all have opinions to which none of us are wrong – just different levels of perception.

Frank Crewe
39 Posted 15/08/2020 at 20:46:18
£12,000,000! If they make an offer, bite their hand off and cash the cheque before they change their minds.

@Alan 30

Davies would never get anywhere near Liverpool's first team. I doubt he would make it into the first team of the majority of Premier League clubs. He's not big enough, strong enough, fast enough, nor scores enough.

If Gueye was still at the club, he would be a bench warmer. Once we get rid of crocks like Delph and underperformers like Sigurdsson, and bring in better players, he will be a bench warmer or he'll be gone entirely.

Hugo Kondratiuk
40 Posted 15/08/2020 at 20:52:41
I respect Tom as a trier and someone who on his day (which I think was at West Ham) can pass a quick ball. But if only Bayern Munich has him and we had Alphonso.
David Pearl
41 Posted 15/08/2020 at 21:06:57
If we are going to be playing a 4-4-2 he won't be the last to go, that's if he does. When he plays I have to look around the pitch just to find him, he could be anywhere... just not where you want him.

Fingers crossed Ancelotti knows what players he wants and the system to get the best out of them. There is a player still in Sigurdsson but not on the left and not in centre-mid.

And why the feck we bought both Delph and Iwobi in the same window, while we had Bernard, I will never know... nobody will. One of life's great mysteries.

Not looking forward to this season at all. All we have is another set of shit players to get rid of.

Mike Connolly
42 Posted 15/08/2020 at 21:13:52
Tell Newcastle £24 Million and we will throw Sigurdsson and Delph in with the deal.
Tony Everan
43 Posted 15/08/2020 at 21:18:14
Tell the Barcodes they can make an offer for Sigurdsson, Delph, Bolasie, Tosun, Sandro and Besic, Bernard. Even Iwobi for £27m

Tom is on £25k so there's no real need to sell, he would be a useful squad player, who can change the dynamic coming on a sub. Also, he may step it up over the next season or two as he matures.

As he is on a (relatively!) low wage so keep him, unless they make an offer we can't refuse like £20m.

Dennis Stevens
44 Posted 15/08/2020 at 21:37:00
I think we'd have to pay them more than that, Mike #41!
Trevor Peers
45 Posted 15/08/2020 at 21:48:45
The only reason Davies maybe in the frame to be sold is because all our other midfielders are on such high wages they are totally unsellable.

Nobody in Europe or the Premier League will match the wages of Sigurdsson, Gomes, Bernard, Iwobi or Delph, we are stuck with them, some of them until 2024! We have been well and truly sold down the river.

Mike Connolly
46 Posted 15/08/2020 at 22:16:28
Lol, Dennis #43.
Chris Mason
47 Posted 15/08/2020 at 22:24:53
As Paul the Esk has been saying, we can’t do anything until we sell. And sell a lot. No FFP dodging here folks.

I wouldn’t be surprised if we are forced to sell Richarlison and/or Pickford. Selling this deadwood is a pipe dream. And you can’t blame Brands a great deal for most of it. Blame starts at the very top and we lost the heart of a competitive team after Cahill left. It hasn’t been replaced. The current crop don’t give a toss and that’s not going to change. Why would Delph, Iwobi or Walcott give their all for Everton? There’s no affinity.

Sadly, over the past 25 years as a club we chose a terrible time to be poor, followed by a terrible time to be wealthy.

Chris Mason
48 Posted 15/08/2020 at 22:32:46
David Pearl, I agree but I think, as others have said on here, Ancelotti will likely play a preferred 5-3-2. And, if that is so, perhaps some of our interminable loanees might have to fit in as squad players.

Bolasie and Sandro might both fit that formation. And let's face it, if we can't flog 'em, we might as well play 'em. We've been making millionaires of these dogs for the past umpteen years with no discernible result.

Paul Kernot
49 Posted 15/08/2020 at 22:34:54
I skim-read the headline initially and thought it said Barca want Tom Davies. Maybe they need to improve their midfield after that pasting they just got from Bayern!
Andrew Keatley
50 Posted 15/08/2020 at 22:51:31
If you lack the core athleticism, strength, pace and stamina to play top-level football, then you'd better excel when it comes to game management, positional discipline, vision, passing range and ball retention.

Right now, I cannot see where Tom Davies excels, and the fact that others on here seem to recommend him staying in our first-team squad based on his relatively low wages, his locality, his early potential, and his desire to play for Everton Football Club tells me that, in pure footballing terms, nobody else is entirely sure where he excels either.

Seems like a really likeable fella but I can't see him turning the corner and becoming a first-team regular in a decent Everton side.

Steve Ferns
51 Posted 15/08/2020 at 22:54:14
Davies is cheap and he's backup. If we sell him, we won't get someone else in on his wages. We should keep him until Onyango forces him down the pecking order in a couple of years.
Brent Stephens
52 Posted 15/08/2020 at 23:17:58
The idea that Davies would still be in our midfield for a couple of years is worrying.
James Stewart
53 Posted 15/08/2020 at 23:20:53
Great attitude, but sadly one of the worst players to ever play 100 games for us. If we can collect a fee for him, it would be incredible business as he's not Premier League level.
Drew O’Neall
54 Posted 15/08/2020 at 23:25:37
Player in there. Hopefully Longstaff is coming here.
Ian Riley
55 Posted 16/08/2020 at 00:46:03
I think the lad needs to move on for his own development. Given how shite we have been, if he was going to shine, then it would have happened.

Also, the pressure to succeed at your boyhood club is difficult. Also, how many managers as he worked under in his young football life? Not good for continuity and development.

The manager needs to move players on. I expect more to be leaving.

Eric Myles
56 Posted 16/08/2020 at 01:50:59
It may end up as a financial decision.

I can't find the article by Paul The Esk, but I'm sure he was saying that homegrown players like Davies would benefit our P&L account the most and therefore also improve our FFP standing.

Eric Myles
57 Posted 16/08/2020 at 02:18:26
Oddly the archive search only shows recent articles (last 3) and articles prior to 2019, none from this year?
Mark Andersson
58 Posted 16/08/2020 at 03:35:34
Steve Bruce is a good manager... why would he want Tom if, as most fans here think, he's Championship at best?

Just another rumour to debate... I often wonder if the manager or owner of Everton read these threads? If they do, the would have a good laugh at the comments.

Gavin Johnson
59 Posted 16/08/2020 at 04:11:02
While Davies might be on low wages, we could promote someone from the U23s who do his role as a squad player next season. Denis Adeniran has been training with the first team. I'd give him Davies's shirt and buy a right-back or a better centre-midfielder with £12M.

I really can't believe that anyone would want Davies to stay. Sigurdsson, Delph and Davies all need to go. £12m certainly exceeds my expectations on what we could get for him.

John Pierce
60 Posted 16/08/2020 at 04:58:32
Davies is exactly the sort of player we should be producing; if he fails at first-team level, then a good price yields the trading profit we need to free up funds for wages.

We failed to produce these type of assets in any great numbers or for any decent fees. Kenny could be another valued at around £8M of you believe the websites.

Davies has had ample time to define himself, I might add – in several poor teams under different managers, both in time and number of games played.

To get a decent price makes good sense.

Paul Whittaker
61 Posted 16/08/2020 at 07:07:18
He is certainly not the answer but is nowhere near the main problem. As others state, he's a squad player that isn't draining the club financially.

For a £12 million fee, I would imagine the club would sell Walcott and Delph as a combined package to get them off the wage bill. As the season gets closer, that may be the sort of deal that one of the bottom six clubs may be desperate enough to risk.

Eddie Dunn
62 Posted 16/08/2020 at 07:37:14
When he broke through, he looked dynamic and, if my memory is right, was looking to get up to support attacks. Now usually outnumbered in a midfield struggling with older, slower players he seems to have been playing under instruction in a more defensive mode.

He has had some poor games but also the kid has often been our only decent performer in that midfield. I would hold on to him and hope that with someone like Gana Gueye in the mix, we might see him get on the front foot more often.

Whatever the views on his talents, the guy always puts in a shift, which isn't something we can say about half of that team.

Steve Shave
63 Posted 16/08/2020 at 08:01:25
To those questioning my logic about Gylfi, no of course nobody has come in for Gylfi; if they had, he would have been sold asap. Nor do I think anyone will come in for him, so, we are likely to be stuck with him. Not entirely his fault but this signing has hamstrung us for too long – he doesn't fit our system.
Steve Shave
64 Posted 16/08/2020 at 08:16:29
I merely meant that selling Davies is not a priority transfer move for us right now – not when we have Delph and Sigurdsson around. I don't think I actually "bashed Siggi" – I just think if the club can move him on (to the MLS?) then we should explore that as a priority.

I also made my comment about this not being a Tom-bashing thread because I believe it's possible for us to have a measured debate about the logistics and pros & cons of this. My view was some would just use the thread as a means to put the lad down.

Carl Manning
65 Posted 16/08/2020 at 08:25:04
Steve @60, he fitted the system of the manager who signed him! That's why Gylfi had a solid start for us in terms of goals and assists.

Gylfi is proven in his preferred position! Even while playing for us! There will be options for Gylfi this summer and, if he goes, he will get back to producing his numbers when played in his favourite position.

Trevor Peers
66 Posted 16/08/2020 at 08:33:24
Steve @61.

You're living in a fantasy world if you think players on £80 to £100 grand a week will be 'moved on ' just because you don't like them. These players will never be offered those salaries anywhere else and will sit tight until their contracts end. Get real, mate.

Derek Thomas
67 Posted 16/08/2020 at 08:38:39
£12M? No; £20M maybe. More than that – deffo. Every player has a price, it's the nature of the football world – always has been.

Sometimes you have to Go to Grow... if indeed you can.

Allan Board
68 Posted 16/08/2020 at 08:43:46
My my, our midfield is a bloody mess! I agree Davies hasn't been great this season, but get rid of Sigurdsson, Delph, Bernard, Bolaise, Sandro, who are vastly overpaid, and now hugely overrated. Offer the lot to Newcastle for Longstaff and Lascelles.

Please someone at this club get Gueye back (still better than any midfielder we have) and buy players who can fucking run! Sick and tired of watching blokes in our midfield pass it backwards – they do this because they are too lazy to follow their ball in – or physically can't. What a shambles of a club.

Amazing when you consider Holgate looked a better midfielder than the lot of them, and he's our centre-half! No wonder our defence looks shaky, I wouldn't fancy playing behind that shower of shit in front of them. Gordon looks a good lad, but how long before he becomes pissed off with it?
There are better players in the Championship to buy now.

Jerome Shields
69 Posted 16/08/2020 at 09:08:17
Davies plays reasonably well in comparison to our other midfielders. He does need to keep possession better, but I am sure Ancelotti is working on that. I can't see him being transferred.
Dale Rose
70 Posted 16/08/2020 at 09:28:40
I think Tom has a lot of heart. Having said that, his passing and ball control is poor.
Steve Shave
71 Posted 16/08/2020 at 10:24:04
Trevor 65 I think you will find I said the club should try to move him on; not for one second do I believe that will be an easy task – on the contrary, I think it would be Brands's greatest achievement if we could get £10M for him!

Carl @64, yes, I agree, he just hasn't fitted since Koeman left, we have been shoehorning him in ever since. As I said, not entirely his fault but the decision to sign him has held us back ever since.

Trevor Peers
72 Posted 16/08/2020 at 10:51:45
Steve @70, there's no evidence Ancelotti is trying to move Sigurdsson on. In fact, he has openly praised him for being a good professional; he's going nowhere.

It looks like he's willing to cash in on Davies and maybe Pickford to finance any summer deals.

Steve Brown
73 Posted 16/08/2020 at 11:14:37
Mike @ 27, you are right – I should have been more careful with my words when I suggested we keep Tom and sell Sigurdsson. But decisions on which midfielders to retain or try to move in the close season are related.

We should reject offers for Tom and keep him as a squad player, He will develop and has potential resale value. His salary is £25k/wk so the risk is low on keeping him. Not everyone's opinion, but I believe he contributed more than Sigurdsson last season.

Equally, we should attempt to either sell or loan Sigurdsson before the transfer deadline. He doesn't fit any system we employ, he slows our play, his impact is minimal and his standards have declined. His salary of £100k/wk limits our ability to sign players and meet FFP requirements, so we should consider subsidising part of his salary if he goes out on loan.

Tony Everan
74 Posted 16/08/2020 at 12:18:42
We need to keep Tom to cover for when Allan gets injured in pre season training and is out until he is 32. I want Carlo to get his man but £27M for a near 30-year-old who isn't always starting for them ... they'll want his wage off the books, and will probably accept at least £10M less closer to the deadline from anyone else but us.

Seriously though, Tom is cheap, seems to stay injury-free, and he can provide cover, be used as a sub to inject a bit of energy, and who knows as he is young – there will still be improvement in him as he matures and toughens up a bit.

Soren Moyer
75 Posted 16/08/2020 at 13:13:44
I agree that he is not a Premier League player but we have so many deadwood to get rid of first before it is Tom's turn.
John Raftery
76 Posted 16/08/2020 at 13:23:57
Selling Tom Davies at that sort of price makes sense from neither a football nor a financial perspective. It would leave the club looking for two players; not only a top quality dynamic Gueye-like player but also reserve cover.

For £12M and comparatively low wages, would we get a player better than Davies? Our recent track record of wasting huge sums on expensive second-raters suggests not.

Geoff Lambert
77 Posted 16/08/2020 at 13:27:02
Soren!!! But he is a Premier League player...??
Peter Roberts
78 Posted 16/08/2020 at 13:30:35
For £12M, I have two simple words: Get stuffed.

23-year-old with over 100 games at the top level. Potential to improve further. Even with a tail off of prices post-Covid, he should still fetch at least £20M.

Remember we would need to buy am adequate replacement and I just don't see us being able to replace Davies adequately for £12M.

The short-sightedness of some people on here never ceases to amaze me.

Eddie Dunn
79 Posted 16/08/2020 at 13:32:49
Soren, playing 100 games in the Premier League means he is most definitely a Premier League player.
Geoff Lambert
80 Posted 16/08/2020 at 13:32:58
I think the reason Tom makes more passes to the opposition, is that he is the only midfielder we have that actually tries a forward pass.

Pointless to sell him for the quoted £12 mill and £25 thousand a week wage. Who would we get to replace him with for that??

Alan Johnson
81 Posted 16/08/2020 at 13:48:13
I can't see this happening. I would love to see if it makes a difference when he plays in a proper midfield. He just needs to calm it, learn how to give himself time to think about the pass. Surely this will come in time.

Paul Birmingham
82 Posted 16/08/2020 at 14:22:02
As the old saying goes, “Sometimes you have to be cruel, to be kind”.

The best hopes and will in the world won't help Tom become a stalwart of EFC, it won't happen. In my view, he's never kicked on, and 5 years tells a story. He's been playing in some rank teams, but his level has not improved.

Better for all concerned if Tom follows in the path of other younger players who've left Everton and looks elsewhere.

Oliver Molloy
83 Posted 16/08/2020 at 14:41:55
I don't know if anyone has mentioned this, but I think it is reasonable to assume that, if the Barcodes are indeed after him, then perhaps Tom Davies might fancy doubling his wages with a move!
Pat Kelly
84 Posted 16/08/2020 at 15:07:57
I think some of the comments about who would we get for £12M to replace Davies miss the point. We don't want a like for like replacement. We want someone better!

And yes, we can expect to pay double what we'd likely get for Davies. Why keep him if we want to improve? Deadwood will continue to float unless you take it out of the water.

Bobby Mallon
85 Posted 16/08/2020 at 15:31:12
Niels Nkounkou is training with first team. Should save us money on Digne's back-up.
Danny Baily
86 Posted 16/08/2020 at 15:47:45
We shouldn't be selling the likes of Tom. A local lad and a useful squad player.
Ian Horan
87 Posted 16/08/2020 at 16:11:37
Danny@84 why should we not sell Davies? Every player at every club has their price. From Davies goal against City I don't believe he has progressed but more regressed.

Football is now a global game, the local owners and local one club man are consigned to history Carragher and G Neville where the last of the one club men.

If Davies can't influence the game nor get a game ahead of a woefull midfield apart from injuries then what does he offer!!!!

Geoff Lambert
88 Posted 16/08/2020 at 16:18:04
Pat, I think you miss the point. You want to pay £25 million for another!!! And give them what? £80 thousand a week!?!

We need the deadwood who are earning £80 to 120 thousand a week moving on first so we can afford to buy the quality of player we need to progress.

Tony Everan
89 Posted 16/08/2020 at 17:18:14
A much more interesting transfer, and a potential win-win for both clubs and players, would be a player-plus-cash swap deal with Bournemouth.

Tom Davies could make an impact there and help them get promoted. David Brooks is ready to make the step up to a bigger club and would be a very good signing to strengthen our midfield with quality, a young player who can bring us some much-needed energy.

Can someone please ask Marcel to try to make it happen.

Pat Kelly
90 Posted 16/08/2020 at 17:39:19
Geoff #88,

I never mentioned giving anyone £80k a week. Of course we'd love the deadwood "earning" £80 to 120k a week to be moved on first but I don't see any rumours that anyone wants to take them.

We can't hold up everything until their contracts run out. If we get some decent offer for Davies, take it to put towards a better replacement.

David Woodworth
91 Posted 16/08/2020 at 17:39:58
Tom Davies is part of a slow, toothless midfield. Very few goals or attempts, can't put a decent tackle in, I'm talking about all of them. Most have to be got rid of.

In an ideal world the biggest earners should go first, but therein lies the problem. Sell who you can for as much as you can, free up the space.

Who's going to be happy watching the same crud being served up by the same midfielders, who, let's be honest, have had enough chances to prove themselves.

Of course I remove Gordon from my rant, as he's been a breath of fresh air. Stay well.

Soren Moyer
92 Posted 16/08/2020 at 18:07:05
Eddie Dunn @79: Playing for Everton doesn't necessarily mean he has the Premier League quality!!
Soren Moyer
93 Posted 16/08/2020 at 18:10:00
Geoff Lambert #77, I meant quality-wise. ;)
Richard Mason
94 Posted 16/08/2020 at 18:53:23
In unrelated news, I see FC Twente opted to use Markelo at right-back instead of centre-midfield. He played the first half; game ended 0-0. Don't know how well he played.
Fran Mitchell
95 Posted 16/08/2020 at 19:00:34
When you see Liverpool putting a £20 million price tag on Harry Wilson (who did what for Bournemouth last season?). That they got £18 million for Solanke. And the countless other players they sell for £10+ million... No, we should not entertain offers of £12 million for Davies.

He needs to improve, and he should never play defensive midfield, and he'll probably never be top top quality, but I'd rather Davies in the squad over the other midfielders we have. He has potential to improve; the others absolutely do not.

Tony Abrahams
96 Posted 16/08/2020 at 19:15:21
That's why firstly the restructuring and then secondly the recruitment is so so important to a football club, Fran. It's how a well-run club operates, and it's a long time since we were a very well-run club.

Some will say under Moyes; I will agree that we lived within our means, but well-run clubs only sell players when they want to, and hopefully but painfully slowly, things might begin to change once we can shift the rest of the deadwood on massive wages.

Peter Roberts
97 Posted 16/08/2020 at 19:59:13
Fran, Harry Wilson did quite well for Bournemouth last season, although they still need to face criminal proceedings for stealing £18m off Bournemouth for Solanke and £15m for Jordon Ibe!
Andrew Keatley
98 Posted 16/08/2020 at 20:09:38
Fran (95),

Harry Wilson is in demand; he was a big success on loan at Derby, then had a decent start at Bournemouth that then tailed off when Bournemouth lost their mojo. His stock has risen in the last two years.

We sadly cannot say the same about Tom Davies, who is at best treading water and at worst showing that his early promise was a false dawn. I'd happily swap Davies for Wilson.

Danny Baily
99 Posted 16/08/2020 at 20:12:37
Ian 87, you can't buy squad players. Tom has a good attitude, isn't a top earner and is a local lad. Keep him and focus on moving on the real deadwood in the squad.
Ian Horan
100 Posted 16/08/2020 at 21:04:26
Danny @84 appreciate your response, our problem is getting a buyer for the high earning deadwood!!! None of them are going to leave for less salary. Niasse and Bolasie are prime examples.

Tom could double his salary and maybe develop with more game time and also the weight of the 'local boy' status.

Mike Gaynes
101 Posted 16/08/2020 at 21:23:17
Richard #94, just watched the replay online. He actually played more of a right wingback. Didn't look out of place at all.
Adrian Haggar
102 Posted 16/08/2020 at 21:37:23
Great news if true, he's shite and we all know he is.

Yes, he's not alone but people saying keep him cause he's cheap, I'll be cheaper and still be able to tackle and pass to a blue shirt!!!!!

We need to get rid of all the average players if we ever want to be a good team again!!!

Watch Howard's Way and, I promise you, you will be heartbroken at how low we have fallen, what an amazing team that was. They would piss the Premier League now... happy days.

Rob Dolby
103 Posted 16/08/2020 at 22:06:02
Selling Davies would only make sense if we have a replacement in place.

Give me Davies over Delph, Gbamin, Baningime or Sigurdsson all day long.

He has over 100 appearances for us but "isn't Premier League class" is just contradictory.

I am not saying he is a world beater but, in the current squad, he plays every week. With our recent transfer record, £12M would just about buy us half a Gbamin or another Niasse.

Ian Horan
104 Posted 16/08/2020 at 22:33:14
Rob @103 – how can you include Gbamin!!!! The lad hasn't even had a run in the team and his injuries aren't his fault.

Comments like yours lack knowledge; Delph, yes I agree. Banigime ain't going to cut it.

Gylfi in his first season was leading goal scorer; second season moved around the pitch to accommodate Rooney; this last season, he has been poor but Messi and Ronaldo would be poor in that team. By the way, Gylfi is a Number 10 not a DCM or CM.

At least be realistic and fair who you compare Davies to...

Ian Horan
105 Posted 16/08/2020 at 22:34:47
Also, Davies wouldn't have got 100 games at a top 6 team.
Geoff Lambert
106 Posted 16/08/2020 at 23:27:08
Ian.. He is better than Delph you say!

Now I wonder if Delph ever played for a top six side???

Adam Scott
107 Posted 17/08/2020 at 07:20:11
Sell him on if you can.

Tom is a good pro, it seems, but I look at him and don't see any signs that he has the technical ability or the physical ability to be in that midfield. In the long term.

£12M is a fair price in the market, and for me, he doesn't need replacing as a squad player. Delph really has to be that man. Money goes towards a quality replacement. Tom has played a lot of games really only down to the curious injury crisis of Gomes, Delph, and Gbamin. I also would say Besic (though I expect him to leave) is also a better one in reserve than Tom if you can sell him and bank that £12M.

Gylfi is a bigger priority, yes, but there is no chance of him leaving until next summer. A team may offer him a tempting 2-year-deal when he has only 12 months left with us that may see his stance change I guess.

Colin Glassar
108 Posted 17/08/2020 at 07:57:55
I'd loan him out to a Championship team to toughen him up a bit. If that doesn't work, sell him. He seems like a nice lad but he's been disappointing ever since “that goal”.
Karl Meighan
109 Posted 17/08/2020 at 09:31:24
If there is a chance to sell then get it done. He has gone backwards fast after a first 5 games were he looked like he had a chance of being the player we all hoped he would become.

Let's face it – whatever midfielder we sell won't be any great loss.

Harry Wallace
110 Posted 17/08/2020 at 10:55:43
I'd sell for that but £15M would be great. The only reason he is in the team and supported is because he is a scouser.
Rob Dolby
111 Posted 17/08/2020 at 11:08:18
Ian 104,

Are you saying that you would prefer a player who is injured instead of someone who isn't?

Lacking knowledge, how about lacking logic.

My point is that, although we know Davies isn't going to be a top player, he has over 100 appearances for the Blues under several managers. Whether we like it or not, he is more of an asset to the club than Delph, Gbamin, or Baningime.

Marc Hints
112 Posted 17/08/2020 at 14:04:32
Don't know about you guys but we haven't signed one player and it's only four weeks away until we start the new season with the same squad!

I think it is worrying times now and relegation is on the agenda. We are a sinking ship. See the article which I agree:

George Costigan airs concerns about the future of Everton

Bob Parrington
113 Posted 17/08/2020 at 14:25:23
I can't understand this talk of relegation negativity when the season hasn't even started. I understand Covid-19 is a downer but such negativity should be ditched. Please?

As far as Tom Davies is concerned I think we can do without him. He's a good lad but certainly ain't the kind of player we need in the side to win trophies.

Good luck to him in whatever he does, Barcodes or elsewhere!

Gavin Johnson
114 Posted 17/08/2020 at 14:28:36
Sangare and Santamaria are available for a couple of million more. And for all the people obsessed with low wages cos you've been reading Paul the Esk. Neither of the French lads would command silly wages.

Personally speaking, instead of blowing £25M on Allan, I'd be looking at buying these two cos we need more than one midfielder.

Len Hawkins
115 Posted 17/08/2020 at 14:38:31
Bob, it's called reality.

The crap in this club from top to bottom is not exactly engendering much enthusiasm.

Geoff Lambert
116 Posted 17/08/2020 at 14:47:31
Gavin! You will never be an agent.
David Woodworth
117 Posted 17/08/2020 at 14:51:37
Davies is crud. Can't score, can't create, and definitely can't tackle.

What is there to miss? Only the laughable comments from people who think he's decent.

Steve Ferns
118 Posted 17/08/2020 at 14:54:39
Personally, I think too many on here are talking as if Davies is our main midfielder. We have Gomes, Delph, Gbamin, and Sigurdsson. Those guys all earn more than Davies.

I believe we will sign 2 more central midfielders and so Davies will be right down the pecking order. We do need backup, and League One bound Baningime is not it. We need to offload Delph and Sigurdsson not Davies.

Davies's replacement is already here, 17-year-old Tyler Onyango. Wait until Tyler is showing sufficient improvement and then sell Tom. Until then, he's worth a spot as fourth or fifth choice, which means sitting in the stands when everyone is fit.

As for someone else taking such a position from the U23s... we don't have anyone!

Ian Horan
119 Posted 17/08/2020 at 14:54:40
Rob @111,

I wouldn't have either anywhere near the team. The Delph issue is he was a decent player but Injuries are the issue Delph is an all or nothing type of player or maybe reckless. Our only hope is Leeds fancy a returning prodigal son.

Delph is on £80k a week, his original contract was 2 years with an option of a 3rd year. So he will be gone next summer as I don't believe he will be offered the 3rd year and if he is Everton as a business deserves to go the way of Leeds, Portsmouth and Sunderland.

I am actually interested to see a fully fit Gbamin 6'-3" in midfield or as emergency centre-back. We can then judge Gbamin after a good run of games.

Geoff Williams
120 Posted 17/08/2020 at 15:26:44
Tom Davies doesn't deserve the abuse he gets on this site. He is a decent bloke who always gives 100%.

If he has failed to fulfil his potential, then I put this down to the succession of managers we've had over the past couple of years. Personally I would always pick him ahead of Delph, Iwobi, Sigurdsson, Walcott and Bernard.

Gavin Johnson
121 Posted 17/08/2020 at 15:31:29
Geoff #116,

Just trying to put it into perspective why we should snap the barcodes hand off if there's any truth to the rumour.

Steve, if we bring in two midfielders, you don't think Adeniran could be promoted in Davies's place?

He would after all be 5th, 6th or even 7th choice anyway, considering its unlikely we're have no takers for Sigurdsson and Delph, plus we've got Gomes, Gbamin and two likely coming in

Jay Harris
122 Posted 17/08/2020 at 15:38:22
The latest news has us trying to get Allan on loan with Atletico Madrid sniffing around and we are dropping interest in Gabriel as midfield is seen as more important.

Very worrying times to be an Evertonian.

Ian Horan
123 Posted 17/08/2020 at 15:50:47
Geoff@120, surely being a decent bloke isn't enough to keep an a average squad player. Christ, we should have extended Niasse's contract, decent bloke donated to North Liverpool food banks, tried his heart out, oh the only difference with him and Tom is Niasse could run score a few goals and donated to charity and finally didn't have his own locker...

Tom is a trier but, for £25k per week, I would run all day. Tom's second touch is always a tackle

Geoff admirable support of Davies, but I have to ask: Are you related to him? – I can't understand your blind faith in him.

Allan Board
124 Posted 17/08/2020 at 16:21:48
Why do I have this feeling we are not signing anyone this window? Hope I am wrong and the culmination of the Champions League and Europa League kick-starts the process.

Without better players now, this team is only good for 10th or lower. There just doesn't seem any urgency from anyone at Everton anymore.

Tom Bowers
125 Posted 17/08/2020 at 17:29:55
Tom Davies impressed in his first few games but, like so many others who did so, has basically not improved to the degree we would have hoped for.

Having said that, he would probably be great at Newcastle.

Gbamin is an unknown quantity so we will have to see (if he ever gets 100% fit) but I can't see Iwobi and the others becoming solid midfield options.

Graham Coldron
126 Posted 17/08/2020 at 18:58:47
Alan @124 speaks for many of us and as much as it pains me to say it, I just cannot see us signing anyone.

And not wishing to tempt fate, it would not be a surprise if Richarlison or Digne left late in the window just to rub salt in the wounds (again).

Just hope I am proved wrong.

Gavin Johnson
127 Posted 17/08/2020 at 19:09:18
Deals will be done. The window is open until October. We might only bring in Allan and a right-winger (possibly Lozano on loan from Napoli) and then see how we go. And then bring in another midfielder if Allan isn't enough.

I've also seen the story where we're pulling out of the race for Gabriel. It's a shame cos a pairing of him and Holgate might have been the strongest since Lescott and Jags. However we're well stocked in that area and I think the money should now go towards a 2nd midfielder.

Clive Rogers
128 Posted 17/08/2020 at 19:39:53
Graham, #126, those two are both on long contracts and there is no way they would be allowed to leave under current circumstances.

However, if there is another season of underachievement, I'm sure they will be looking to a different future, especially Richarlison.

Gavin Johnson
129 Posted 17/08/2020 at 19:49:01
I also notice that we're allegedly looking at Alessandro Florenzi. He actually fits with what we need from a 2nd midfield option in addition to Allan, as he also plays as a right-back.

He fits very much into the mould of players Moyes used to sign when he signed players who could play multiple positions. The only drawback is that he's another 29-year-old. If we could get him on loan, it could be a very good deal.

Christy Ring
130 Posted 17/08/2020 at 19:50:33

Delph signed a 3-year contract unfortunately. I'd have Davies over him any day, especially as a squad player.

Davies is 8 years younger, his salary is over 3 times less than Delph, and even though he was played out of position, as defensive midfielder, and at times was carrying an injury, he never cried off.

Hopefully Koeman will get the Barca job, and take Sigurdsson and Bolasie, two of his great signings!

Ian Horan
131 Posted 17/08/2020 at 20:24:33
Christy @130, my error, I thought it was the same deal we had with Williams from Swansea 2 years with an option for a 3rd. On the plus side, if he ever gets fit he has played left-back for Man City.
Iakovos Iasonidis
132 Posted 18/08/2020 at 02:06:13
Sell. we have to start from somewhere...
Adam Scott
133 Posted 18/08/2020 at 06:55:41
Many teams haven't been active yet! No need to worry.

I don't think under Carlo this is a relegation-threatened team. I think Pickford will improve, I feel Mina and Holgate are solid with Keane in reserve. Up front, Richarlison and one of Kean or Calvert-Lewin have a threat.

Worst-case scenario: a midfield of Gomes, a new defensive mid and Iwobi will be good enough to keep us okay.

It's inconceivable that we won't sign at least one midfielder. I believe that we will get by if that is the only addition.

Window runs until October, and I reckon there will be an awful lot of late loan deals.

Clive Rogers
134 Posted 18/08/2020 at 09:48:35
Adam, 133, you are talking of avoiding relegation. This is the new normal for us with wishful looks back at the days before Kenwright when we could compete at the top.
Adam Scott
135 Posted 18/08/2020 at 10:03:50
I don't think it is, Clive.

But this rebuild is going to now be very gradual.

What with Covid-19 and our balance sheet.

I think we need a 3-year plan to even challenge for top six right now. We need to rip up the Moshiri project and start again.

Clive Rogers
136 Posted 18/08/2020 at 12:27:20
That squad as it stands is certainly a relegation candidate. Dodgy goalie, can’t defend, can’t create and spells when we can’t score. We need an absolute minimum of three signings.
Colin Wordsworth
137 Posted 18/08/2020 at 14:01:17
I have to question why Davies gets all the flak and Gomes – who has been rank since his injury and, may I add, before! – gets away with hardly any criticism?

Yes, Davies wasn't brilliant at the end of the season, but in most games he was hampered with the saddle on his back covering for and carrying Gomes.

Colin Glassar
138 Posted 18/08/2020 at 14:15:52
Gabriel to sign for Arsenal for £22,M. Well done Marcel and Co.
Dave Lynch
139 Posted 18/08/2020 at 14:42:36
I'll give him the bus fare.

On another note... can anyone tell me what this EFL Cup draw is?
I can't find any mention of us in the draw.

Steve Brown
140 Posted 18/08/2020 at 14:44:41
Don't mind if we pass on Gabriel. I would be more pissed off if we overpaid for another player.

We have to get value out of these transfers given what we have squandered in the last four years.

Colin Glassar
141 Posted 18/08/2020 at 15:41:40
Steve, apparently, we offered Lille £30m before the lockdown then came back with an offer of £18m. If that’s the case, I don’t blame Lille if they got a better deal.
Rob Halligan
142 Posted 18/08/2020 at 17:58:05
Dave, # 139. You won't because we don't come into it until the second round.
John Raftery
143 Posted 18/08/2020 at 17:58:18
Dave (139),

It is the first round. Premier League clubs not in European competitions enter in the second round.

Joe McMahon
144 Posted 18/08/2020 at 18:20:59
Colin, its like the Southampton guy going to Spurs. We can't compete with our non Champions League record, London and shiny new huge stadiums. Stories of Dixie, Catterick and Howard's Way ain't gonna sell us.

Players worth having want European football. This is why Arteta was always going to choose Arsenal.

Things really are grim. We have only 2 players a top 8 team would be interested in, maybe 3 with Kean in another 12 months.

Sukhdev Sohal
145 Posted 18/08/2020 at 19:26:40
Isn't Doucoure more of an attacking midfielder than a defensive one? I like his pace and power but he either would replace Gomes or sit on the bench (assuming we continue to use a 4-4-2) because both of them need a proper CDM next to them.

I'd rather someone like Sangare and Allan. Allan would go straight into the team whilst Sangare would learn and come in for the odd game, or replace Gomes if he continues his poor form.

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