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Everton in 'advanced talks' with Atletico over Arias

| Tuesday, 18 August 2020 109comments  |  Jump to last

Santiago Arias has emerged as the latest target for Marcel Brands and Carlo Ancelotti who have reportedly identified him as the player needed to strengthen at right back.

Brands signed the Colombian for PSV Eindhoven back in July 2013 and he spent five years with the Dutch club before moving to Atletico Madrid and his current valuation is around €12m.

Ancelotti has apparently recognised the need to sign a top-class player in Seamus Coleman's position as the Irish veteran and Everton captain approaches the end of his career.

Last season, Everton had Djibril Sidibé, on loan from Monaco, playing right back in just under half of the Premier League games, when fit but the club elected not to take up an option to sign the Frenchman on a permanent basis.

Everton's interest in Arias, said by Dominic King of the Mail to be at an "advanced stage", suggests that Jonjoe Kenny's further progress would once again be blocked, despite him returning from a successful season on loan at FC Schalke 04 in the Bundesliga.

Kenny has been linked with a move away this summer, perhaps to another Premier League club, but King's report claims that the the young homegrown Evertonian could yet be part of Ancelotti's plans this season.

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Andrew Ellams
1 Posted 18/08/2020 at 13:09:44
Didn't his name come up last year too?
Steve Shave
2 Posted 18/08/2020 at 13:20:48
Yes, it did, Andrew, he played for Brands in Holland and there has been an obvious journalist link ever since. Decent player and has been ousted from Athletico's first team by Trippier.

This would only make sense to me if Seamus is off somewhere. Personally I'd like Kenny to stay and fight it out with a new right-back.

Adam Scott
3 Posted 18/08/2020 at 13:24:23
I don't think they're 100% convinced on Kenny, and right now, selling him, as a homegrown player, will really boost the balance sheet.

I can see Arias considered as a Digne-lite version on the right... maybe with a view to moving Seamus inside on occasions to play a 3-5-2 formation.

Gavin Johnson
4 Posted 18/08/2020 at 13:45:08
We've been linked with several times. Would be a great bridging signing if we got him in on loan.

I see Joe Hart's gone to Spurs. I think he'd have been a very good keeper to push Pickford.

Arsenal look to have all but signed Gabriel. Typical Arteta move to go after our main target. He was a great player for us but I lost all respect in how he instigated his move and then said he was finally home when he signed for Arsenal.

Kieran Kinsella
5 Posted 18/08/2020 at 14:09:27

Yes I don’t know why so many laud Arteta as a great Evertonian. Couldn’t take a corner, ran out on us, just another journeyman

Erik Dols
6 Posted 18/08/2020 at 14:27:18
I rate Arias and for the reported fee a no brainer to me. Get him in.

But I also feel this is lazy journalism as others have said. An available player who previously worked with Brands? That's convenient.

Soren Moyer
7 Posted 18/08/2020 at 14:41:56
€12M is just about the right fee. Get him!
Adam Scott
8 Posted 18/08/2020 at 14:43:00
Can't agree on that with Arteta, at all.

He is entitled to go after what he wants in the market. He was a great servant in the best Everton team in recent years.

He gave us the best years of his career also. He had the right to push for Champions League football after that injury – his window was very limited.

I agree on Hart though. I think he would have really helped Pickford. I heard he took a pay cut to go to Spurs from £50,000 a week. Whether he would have done that for Everton, I don't know. But his expertise would have really challenged Pickford, no doubt.

John Malone
9 Posted 18/08/2020 at 14:48:21
Has anyone seen him play in more than one game?

If he's lost his place to a good attacking but defensively weak Trippier, is he that good?

Adam Scott
10 Posted 18/08/2020 at 14:51:59
I think right now John- with us evidently needing to focus on the midfield with the bulk of whatever budget we have- he is what is available on the market.

I think this whole deal smacks of there being suitors for JJK and we can replace him with someone like Arias for less.

Minik Hansen
11 Posted 18/08/2020 at 14:58:57
If he is better than Coleman and is a good lad, I'd welcome him. He would help strengthen the social life in the Latino side of our squad. Mina with a fellow countryman is ideal.

The problem is, I don't see us getting rid of Coleman, so Kenny would go out on loan again or be sold? With that in mind, we need to focus on other areas first; a fast-paced and a defensive midfielder and at left-back.

Ian Horan
12 Posted 18/08/2020 at 15:07:59
If we are signing a full-back and Carlo doesn't fancy Kenny, maybe we should be into Schalke for McKennie? Young, energetic and atheletic centre-midfielder. Use Kenny as part of the deal. Saints are after him at £20 Mill. We could offer Kenny and £10 or 15 mill. One out, one in!!!
Iakovos Iasonidis
13 Posted 18/08/2020 at 15:20:19
Arteta was class. I wish we had 2 or 3 players like Arteta in this squad of over-paid bunch of mediocre players.
Tony Everan
14 Posted 18/08/2020 at 15:23:42
Looks like he could do a job for us, as does Allan.

They are both 30 in January, so I would hope they look after themselves and can stay fit enough and fast enough for the demanding Premier League. Will they add the energy and dynamism we need?

I'm not too sure how this fits in with our supposed buying younger players strategy. It adds a bit of ammunition to the retirement home reputation.

Gavin Johnson
15 Posted 18/08/2020 at 15:29:33
Adam, I rated Arteta as a player as much as anyone, and any player has a right to further their career. However, it doesn't excuse the way he forced the move at the 11th hour and the things he said once he went Arsenal, which amounted to him saying we had been a stepping stone and he was finally at a big club.

Gary Speed got dog's abuse for years so my point is that people gloss over the circumstances of Arteta's departure.

A class player doesn't always equate to class character!

James Newcombe
16 Posted 18/08/2020 at 15:35:46
Didn’t Arteta score against us in the cup(?) and make a point of kissing the Arsenal crest? I definitely remember something like that. I doubt Cahill would have done the same, somehow!
Jim Bennings
17 Posted 18/08/2020 at 15:39:31
Arteta was outstanding in his time at Everton, maybe we have just forgotten what a creative mobile goal scoring central midfielder looks like because we have sat and watched crabs amble sideways for three years.

Arteta, Cahill, Fellaini, Gravesen, Osman, Pienaar, Carsley – any one of them would walk into this Everton team, even at the age they are now.

Tom Bowers
18 Posted 18/08/2020 at 15:43:27
Yes we need cover for the ageing Seamus and this would make sense although Kenny isn't too shabby either.

As far as Hart to rival Pickford, think again. There's a reason Hart has slipped from view so why risk it?

Joe McMahon
19 Posted 18/08/2020 at 15:46:11
My only criticisms of Arteta is he didn't always give 100%, and sometimes did an impressive of Messi v Liverpool or Bayern Munich and give up. I felt he should have scored more also, but did play in a keep in tight and nick one and hold on for life setup.
Minik Hansen
20 Posted 18/08/2020 at 15:49:18
Where's the Arteta money?? Buy Arias with them lol.
Carl Manning
21 Posted 18/08/2020 at 15:50:31
We seem to be the one club where the expression "the grass isn't always greener" doesn't apply. All the players who have left us to further their careers have medals. Some didn't play as much as expected or as long as they expected at the highest level, eg, Rodwell. But they all won trophies and played Champions League.

So Arteta can hardly be to blame for pushing a move away from a club who never signed players to improve and trod water, happy to be near the top 6.

Gavin Johnson
22 Posted 18/08/2020 at 15:57:41
Tom, Hart has drifted from view because of his distribution but I'd still have him over Pickford as a safer pair of hands. I think bringing the guy in who was replaced by Pickford would give Pickford a kick up the arse. I think Hart would have been highly motivated to try and replace him.
Jay Harris
23 Posted 18/08/2020 at 16:00:18
I think it's a bit worrying when an average player like Trippier can keep this guy out of the side. He must have something missing in his game and the Premier League will certainly find him out.

Personally, I would prefer Max Aarons who is an upgrade on both Kenny and Coleman.

Steve Pugh
24 Posted 18/08/2020 at 16:06:17
Hart isn't pushing Pickford for the England role, why would he push him at Everton.

Too much clutching at straws when trying to find fault with the way Everton do things. There are more than enough legitimate faults without complaining we didn't sign Joe Hart.

Gavin Johnson
25 Posted 18/08/2020 at 16:07:33
Jay, he could well come in on loan like Sidibé. In which case he could be a great bridging loan until we have money to spend on a better right-back. Norwich will want around £25m. They wanted £20m off for left-back Lewis.

Carl, if anything I would say they opposite and the grass isn't usually greener for people who wanted to leave. You forgot Fellaini, Jeffers, Moyes, Gosling, Barmby, Radzinski and a bunch of others who forced or refused contracts. The irony in Moyes's case is that he said the grass isn't always greener when players wanted to leave.

Kevin Prytherch
26 Posted 18/08/2020 at 16:10:09
Why do we need a £12million reserve right back?
Michael O'Malley
27 Posted 18/08/2020 at 16:28:03
Coleman cannot be first choice this season, he slows down every attack, his crossing is abysmal, and he's not getting any younger.

This fella is a 53-cap international who can get up and down the wing and will be a more than able replacement. Seamus has been a great servant but surely we should be looking to replace him?

Anthony Hawkins
28 Posted 18/08/2020 at 16:29:55
Any shouts for Hart are hilarious. There’s no way we should be in for him.
Rob Halligan
29 Posted 18/08/2020 at 16:30:27
According to some reports, Doucouré has agreed terms with Everton

Pat Kelly
30 Posted 18/08/2020 at 16:30:43
What is it with links to every player knocking on 30? The Grand Old Team?
Gavin Johnson
31 Posted 18/08/2020 at 16:33:51
Steve #24, we need a back-up goalkeeper. Hart was on a free. He's better than Stekelenburg and I think he'd push him more than Stekelenburg and Lössil.

You don't think Joe Hart would want to get one over Pickford, the man who took his place as the national keeper? That certainly gives him more motivation than any of the other Number 2s we've had at Everton over the years.

That's the problem we've had for many years at Everton. Mourinho obviously thinks he's a good enough to be a No 2 at Spurs.

Jay Harris
32 Posted 18/08/2020 at 16:47:49
That suggests to me that we are pulling out of the deal for Allan or playing a blinder by putting pressure on Napoli to accept our bid.

I can't see both coming so it's an either-or for me.

Rob Halligan
33 Posted 18/08/2020 at 16:48:04
Steve # 24, and Gavin # 31. There is also talk of Everton, along with Chelsea, trying for Ben Foster from Watford.

Watford's 37-year-old former England keeper Ben Foster has become a summer transfer target for both Chelsea and Everton. (Sun on Sunday)

Steve Pugh
34 Posted 18/08/2020 at 17:27:15
Rob #35. I wouldn't touch him with a bargepole either. Hopefully another unfounded rumour. If we get a new keeper I want him to be better than Jordan to make Pickford fight for his place not someone who might be good enough to play a few games and 'push' him.
Rob Halligan
35 Posted 18/08/2020 at 17:37:54
Steve, the one keeper I'd be interested in would be Johnsson from Copenhagen. To be honest though, I've only seen him the once, in the Europa League game against Man Utd when he had an absolute blinder.

He's only 30 years old, which is a good age to sign a goalkeeper as he still plenty of years ahead of him. Seeing as Lössl is back at the club though, he will probably be the Number 2 to Pickford, and therefore a new keeper may not be seen as a priority.

John Hammond
36 Posted 18/08/2020 at 17:51:49
I can't see us bidding on players in other positions until our midfield is sorted.
Mike Gaynes
37 Posted 18/08/2020 at 17:56:22
Gavin #4, the words "Joe Hart" and "a very good keeper" do not belong in the same paragraph. Or even on the same website.

Rob #38, agree, a backup keeper is not a priority. If we're gonna go for a keeper, it should be a starter, a top young keeper like Onana at Ajax. Which would of course entail selling Pickford.

Kieran #36, Yeboah was "ineffectual"? A goal for every two games? I'd take that level of ineffectual all day long.

Gavin Johnson
38 Posted 18/08/2020 at 18:24:16
Mike, it's relative term.

Is Joe Hart a keeper I want as a No 1?! No, he isn't. But as a No 2, and on a free transfer, he would have been a very good keeper to push Pickford.

I think there'd be strong competition between the national goalkeeper and his predecessor cos half the problem with Pickford is that he feels untouchable.

Hart is also still only 33 whereas Ben Foster is 37 and Watford want a fee! We have a young keeper in Virginia and we need an older No 2 who fits the profile. I suggested Joe Hart, who would you bring in?

Graham Hammond
39 Posted 18/08/2020 at 18:31:38
We should have kept Robles a few years back and with the £30M we would have saved (wasted on Pickford) we would now be in a position financially to buy a much needed and decent defensive midfielder.
Derek Knox
40 Posted 18/08/2020 at 19:03:25
I see Sky Sports News listing Koeman's most expensive signings, on the cusp of him allegedly becoming Barca's Manager. What a waste of money he proved to be for Everton, both in terms of (lack of) quality, in the signings (nearing £200M) and he is deemed the right fit for Barca?

I have no time for him whatsoever, he is the epitome of all that is wrong with the game in recent times: 'Great players do not make great managers'! There are the exceptions, of course, but he is not one of them!

Tamhas Woods
41 Posted 18/08/2020 at 19:12:13
I really hope this happens. Him and Higuain on loan, Allan for whatever knockdown price Don Carlo can negotiate, Doucouré for Delph + £15M. Sell Pickford, buy five magic beans, put the plant pot in goal.

I'm happy with that.

Sukhdev Sohal
42 Posted 18/08/2020 at 19:33:30
Tamhas Higuain is a pile of shit who failed here and has been the biggest bottler in big matches I can think of. He was good pre 2016 but this is exactly the type of signing we should avoid, even on loan.

Sangare, Allan, Tete and Diatta/ Bailey for me.

Sukhdev Sohal
43 Posted 18/08/2020 at 19:36:37
Graham Hammond @42,

Robles was clearly not good enough, even if he isn't susceptible to errors like Pickford. His part in the 3-1 derby was horrific. I'm pretty sure we got a decent fee for him too.

Christy Ring
44 Posted 18/08/2020 at 19:56:58
As Jay@23 said, if Trippier is ahead of him, I'd pass. Doucouré was hot and cold this season, but I'd take him with Allan. They would work really well together, and would transform our midfield.
Jason Li
45 Posted 18/08/2020 at 20:03:39
Thought I'd have a gander at the League One for any good young players.

Luke Woolfenden looks a decent player on Wiki:

21 years old, plays centre back and right back, supposedly very quick, from Ipswich's own academy. Anyone know much about him?

Ian Horan
46 Posted 18/08/2020 at 20:11:27
Joel Robles left us at the end of his contract; we got no fee for him.

Pickford is a Hollywood type keeper – makes blinding worldie like saves then concentration goes... "Oh look, there's a cloud" type of thing. Also regularly gets done from distance!!!

Steve Shave
47 Posted 18/08/2020 at 21:56:02
If the targets of Allan, Doucouré and Arias are correct, I wonder if Carlo is thinking 3-5-2 switching to 4-3-3 at times? This would save us having to buy a right-midfielder potentially.
Patrick McFarlane
48 Posted 18/08/2020 at 22:03:31
Is Doucouré better than what we already have, probably, is he the best we can afford, probably, will the fans be happy, probably not.

Doubtless, some other club will come in and buy him anyway; it's what usually happens when our 'targets' are made public.

Joe McMahon
49 Posted 18/08/2020 at 22:26:58
My concern here is is Kieran Trippier first choice over him?
Mike Gaynes
50 Posted 18/08/2020 at 23:44:27
Gavin, I don't have anybody in mind. I just have a family history of heart attacks, so I would definitely not have wanted Joe Hart sitting on our bench if Jordan pulled a hammy or something. It could cause The Big One.

Graham, if we had been foolish enough to keep Robles, we wouldn't have been able to afford much in this transfer window, because we'd be in the Championship. The guy was truly awful.

Bob Conway
51 Posted 19/08/2020 at 00:12:49
Trippier is ahead of him; how does that make him a good enough for us?

I don't rate Brands as a talent spotter, his track record doesn't stand up. We have brought Kenny through the ranks and I rated him when he did get a run. Why are we always seemingly looking abroad?

No further mention of our supposed interest in David Brooks from Bournemouth – the best young player I saw at Goodison a couple of seasons back.

The jury is still out on this management team.

Mark Andersson
52 Posted 19/08/2020 at 01:45:27
Why bother debating the fake news of Everton potentially buying any player? All you experts know as much as a red shite pundit.

Everton lost its heart and soul years ago. It's okay to hope and dream but the reality is we're all living the nightmare of being born into this madness of being a Blue.

Jay Harris
53 Posted 19/08/2020 at 04:15:44
Just done a bit more research on him and it seems – as well as losing his place to Tripppier – he has become very injury-prone over the last 2 seasons.

Sign him up Marcel, Delph needs some company.

Tony Twist
54 Posted 19/08/2020 at 07:05:32
It's the silly season again and it's hard to keep positive with the management at this club. We have an experienced Italian manager who is struggling to improve matters. If he was that good, shouldn't there have been some sort of turn around by now? Is he just an Italian big Sam?

We have a so-called A-listed DOF whose only impressive attribute is his PR team as he lines up well-known players that any man in the street could think of. He is supposedly lining-up the purchase of three elderly professionals: a just relegated midfielder, an injury-prone right back, and a Brazilian who is untried and that we are only getting to keep the manager onside so as not to rock the boat.

On top of this, an assistant manager who is supposedly all passion but, unless he is the one in the spotlight, can't motivate any of the players. I am really starting to fear for this club.

Colin Glassar
55 Posted 19/08/2020 at 07:56:53
Age and injuries have caught up with Seamus so a replacement is needed. It’s a pity that Kenny doesn’t seem to be the answer so we need to move on.
Tony Abrahams
56 Posted 19/08/2020 at 08:15:50
A negative post Tony T, and even if I don’t agree with you it doesn’t mean I don’t understand your fears.

The bit I don’t get is that Duncan needing to be in the spotlight to motivate the players. He’s in the changing rooms, he’s part of the Ancellotti coaching team, and having been at the club longer than any of the other first team coaches, he will know the players better than anyone.

I don’t watch much football, I’m not aware of many players, but everyone seems to give up on players once they reach a certain age nowadays. I know the game is frantically fast, especially in England, were it’s mostly about pace, power and physicality, but good players can play anywhere, and if the physical side is not a problem, then those with a good brain usually excel?

Tony Abrahams
57 Posted 19/08/2020 at 08:32:56
I might have got that wrong Tony, because I've started from the end of this thread, but looking at Colin's post, I would be very shocked if Everton, don't give Jonjoe Kenny a go before looking to sign another right back.

He's had a year in a decent league, he must have done exceptionally well to have been in the running for a big award over in Germany, and who knows how he's going to be, now he's back in his familiar environment, back home at Everton?

I was talking to someone close to the kid and they told me he's a changed person. He's not a boy anymore, he's turned into a man, he's changed everything about his diet and now knows when and what to eat.

It sounds like Germany has been a very good experience for the lad, with my own view being that only a fool wouldn't learn off the German's, especially when it comes to the beautiful game!

Phill Thompson
58 Posted 19/08/2020 at 09:00:49
I don't follow other teams enough to know anything much about him, but it's hard to reason why we'd buy him and not give Kenny a chance first. Holgate surprised many last season after a successful loan; let's see if Jonjoe can do the same.

Right-back is an area of weakness below the first team, nobody really pushing on in the U23s to challenge, only Kyle John who needs more polishing defensively and no U18 right-back coming through.

Keep Kenny and, if Brands is really firing, he'll bring in a talented teenager too, to hopefully replace Coleman next season. It would be nice to hope we're starting to join the dots throughout the club.

Tony Everan
59 Posted 19/08/2020 at 09:16:49
Me too, Tony, I don't think we need to be changing everything this window and Jonjoe should be given an opportunity to make the right-back slot his own. Sounds like Germany has matured him and he could show big improvements for that.

I love his infectious enthusiasm, it is good for the team, gets the crowd fired up. His positional discipline will have been improved by his move, I would hope too.

Dave Abrahams
60 Posted 19/08/2020 at 09:56:46
Add me to the list giving Jonjoe the chance to prove he is more than good enough to make the right-back position his own.

He has never been given a consistent run in the team, even though, 2 maybe 3 years ago, he was screaming at experienced players how to use the ball and urging them on; it should have been the other way round.

Jonjoe is under-rated by many Everton fans, especially with regards to his use of the ball, one of the few who looks where he is putting his centres to. Watch Seamus and Walcott do the opposite when they centre the ball. I'm biased obviously but right-back is one of the positions I don't worry about with Kenny and Colman there. I think there is still plenty of life in Seamus.

Tony Heron
61 Posted 19/08/2020 at 10:04:18
Hold everything! Back page of today's Echo, " midfield a priority for Blues".

Wow! Who knew? Same old regurgitated rubbish from a so-called "news" reporter.

Alexander Lee
62 Posted 19/08/2020 at 10:25:06
I definitely agree that Kenny will be given a go in training and pre-season before they make a decision on buying a new right-back. He has just completed a season in the top flight in Germany and performed well.
Last time Schalke played Bayern, it was only a 1-0 scoreline... So Schalke bests Barca on current defensive form.

Most likely we will see Brands sign someone in the 17-20 age bracket as one for the future and backup in 2-3 years time once Coleman is ready for retirement.

Dave Williams
63 Posted 19/08/2020 at 11:23:54
Looking at training clips, Jonjoe looks pretty motivated! Absolutely crazy not to give him a run in the team – he was good enough last season and will be far better now with 12 months Bundesliga under his belt plus living away from home to mature him.

We are okay in defence apart from Pickford; it is midfield where we must focus all our efforts and cash because we need three quality players.

We must not squander money on defenders who are no better than what we have, or indeed are in reality not as good. Jonjoe and Seamus can cope between them and remember in an emergency we can use Holgate too.

Dave Williams
64 Posted 19/08/2020 at 11:27:30
ps: I meant to add that what will bolster the defence more than anything is a hard-working and aggressive defensive midfielder, supported by another midfielder who can keep the ball and dictate play, plus a right-winger who provides a genuine outlet. The defence will cope far better if the ball doesn't keep coming back at them with attackers cutting through our midfield with ease!!
Alan Brown
65 Posted 19/08/2020 at 11:41:15
We could do with a backup 'this' and a backup 'that' and even a few backup 'others'...

More than anything we need, not could do with, but absolutely need, a top-class midfield. If this takes every penny of any transfer budget we have and anything we can raise from sales then so be it.

We will not progress at all until the midfield is sorted. Only after that happens should they consider what we can do with backups.

Tony Abrahams
66 Posted 19/08/2020 at 11:48:52
I liked Everton's style and discipline against Sheffield Utd. I think a 5- man midfield, especially out of possession, could be very effective with Richarlison, Doucoure, Allan, Gomes, and a good wide player on the other flank!

Not for me this Football Manager lark, though, it's easy on paper, but with players getting injured every other week, this means it's a squad game nowadays!

Eric Myles
67 Posted 19/08/2020 at 12:43:36
Gavin #15, what I remember of the Arteta transfer was that at the time the Club's bank overdraft was approaching £25 million and the bank were asking for some of it to be paid off.

The only player we had an offer for was Arteta for £10 million, enough to appease the bank.

Hence Moyes's answer to the question "Where's the Arteta money, Bill?" was "Everyone knows the Arteta money went to the bank."

I don't believe that Arteta was so desperate to join Arsenal that he left it to the last hour of the transfer window to express that desire when he could have done so anytime in the 2 months prior.

Another engineered move for the good of the Club in my books

Carl Manning
68 Posted 19/08/2020 at 12:48:01
#42, steer clear of Higuain but go after Tete who has played 30 matches in 2 years for a Lyon team that finished 7th in France? On what basis is he worth signing?
Sukhdev Sohal
69 Posted 19/08/2020 at 13:52:41
He is 24, great defensively, decent going forward, and Lyon are open to selling or loaning him. He would fit the system and is young – both of which Higuain doesn't.
Bill Gall
70 Posted 19/08/2020 at 15:46:14
Some of the comments on here over Kenny sound like the lazy journalistic comments that are made to fill in their columns,. What evidence is there that Kenny will not be given a chance to become our regular right-back, are some of the people that are suggesting otherwise, attending meetings with the manager and his coaching staff, or are they just getting their information from the tea lady?

Journalists are paid to speculate who is going where, and usually have a poor record of being right.

Tony #54 on Brands. Supposedly lining up, supposed means, "to assume as true in the absence of direct knowledge". Why not wait until you have proof of his actions?

There are very few supporters, who are not aware of where our weaknesses are, and that is midfield, and I believe more in suggestions in this area by writers, than writing as if they have inside knowledge.

We are all aware of the financial restraints we are under and the players we are trying to sell, and this is not going to happen before the season starts, and it may take until the window closes to see how successful we have been in the transfer window, or how poorly it turned out.

There are very few supporters who don't realize the mess the club is in due to poor management over the years, from the top to the coaching staff, and I am reluctant to say let's give Brands and Ancelotti a chance to prove themselves, but they are the only chance we have left. There does appear to be some more preferences to lower the age of the 1st team and hopefully this will bring stability in the future.

The fixture list should be out soon and this will determine what the season holds. There are no easy games in the Premier League,

Jay Harris
71 Posted 19/08/2020 at 16:04:52
Jonjoe KennyWith funds evidently in short supply we should definitely give him a chance. What he lacks in ability he more than makes up in mentality so for me right-back is not a priority.

We need to spend every available penny on midfield, where grit, guile. and goals are totally lacking.

Andrew Ellams
72 Posted 19/08/2020 at 16:17:11
I'm all for giving Kenny a chance but, if he's not up to it, is Seamus enough to fill the gap until January at least? It's a squad game now and we fall well short in the strength-in-depth department.
Keith Monaghan
73 Posted 19/08/2020 at 17:32:39
Some of the comments re Arteta are unbelievable.

Having watched us for over 59 years I can guarantee he's one of the best players we've had in that time.

Far more deserving of the over-used word "legend" than the likes of Ferguson & Rooney, neither of whom gave anything like as good service to our club as Mikel.

Bill Kenwright bringing the greedy alehouse Rooney back, getting rid of our best scorer this century, to satisfy his own ego, was predictably disastrous and marked us down in many players' minds as a backwards-looking club with no serious ambition – another reason why we find it difficult to attract quality players with a hunger for success on the pitch.

Moshiri & Co must get rid of Kenwright & the old-boy hangers on at Finch Farm to enable us to move forward.

Carl Manning
74 Posted 19/08/2020 at 22:02:15
#69. great defensive and good going forward and 24? If that were true he'd 1) be Lyons first choice; 2) teams far bigger than us would be in for him; 3) Lyon wouldn't be keen on selling and definitely wouldn't loan.

He's a player who his whole career, at the age of 24, has played less than 90 top-flight games. 90 games at the highest level at 24??? Must be a hell of a player!

Soren Moyer
75 Posted 20/08/2020 at 21:31:57
At least now we know Gabriel won't be joining any English club now that PSG has entered the race to get him lol.
Mike Allison
76 Posted 20/08/2020 at 22:36:27
If we sell Kenny and sign some foreigner who’s never heard of Everton until his agent tells him what a bunch of mugs we are then what, really, is the point of being an Everton fan?
Ian Horan
77 Posted 20/08/2020 at 22:52:38
One of the rumour sites has Tosun going back to Turkey for 7.5 mill. Whats the view in taking a pint on Welbeck 5.5 mill release clause.
Yes I know injury records poor but a alternative strike, loan Kean out to an Naples to sweeten getting their CB
Gavin Johnson
78 Posted 20/08/2020 at 23:02:01
I'll be made up if PSG beat Arteta to Gabriel. With the other highly regarded centre-back coming to Arsenal after his impressive loan in France after Arsenal bought him last season.

I didn't see Gabriel as an essential signing for Arsenal. It wouldn't surprise me if half of the interest in Gabriel is Arteta making sure he gets one over Ancelotti, who he is still going to be compared to next season, by both Arsenal and Everton supporters.

Kieran Kinsella
79 Posted 20/08/2020 at 23:06:58
Ian Horgan,

Sorry but Wellbeck is finished due to injuries. I liked him as a player but, like Owen Hargreaves, he's reached the point of no return, sadly.

Tony Everan
80 Posted 20/08/2020 at 23:30:51
Unless we are building an extension on our medical block, steer well clear of Welbeck.
Kenny Smith
81 Posted 21/08/2020 at 07:25:35
I'd love like us all would to have local lads on the pitch but, unless Kenny has come on a lot over his time with Shalke, then he's not good enough. He deserves a chance of course but he's so one-dimensional that anyone with an ounce of coaching ability will be able to see that he's a squad player at best.

We need starters, players who will make us better, not tread water or go backwards.

Sam Hoare
82 Posted 21/08/2020 at 08:19:07
Ian @77,

No to several things. Don't want Welbeck, we have enough crocks already. No to loaning out Kean, he is set to make a much bigger contribution with us hopefully in his second season.

And no to the centre-back from Napoli, assuming you mean Maksimovic, who is too slow and not what we need.

Mike Allison
83 Posted 21/08/2020 at 09:14:13
Players who want to play for us will make us better. Players who are supposedly ‘quality’ but don’t give a shit will take us backwards.
Justin Doone
84 Posted 23/08/2020 at 13:03:28
Do you think our 'relationship' with Barcelona will take a step backwards now Koeman is in charge?

It's a shame we already sold Schneiderlin as we could have offered him in part-ex for Messi.

Carlo seems to be relaxed about Brands's signings but I'd like him to use his influence and ask for a few favours to sign some top quality players, loans would suffice for a season or two.

Andrew Bentley
85 Posted 23/08/2020 at 15:08:09
Looking at BBC Sport, it talks about Wolves & Newcastle being interested in Ainsley Maitland Niles. It does quote towards the end that Everton could be interested too which makes sense to me.

He can play RB, RW and CM so is much more versatile (which you need in a small squad) and I've always thought he looked decent. At 22 as well this feels like the kind of signing we should be looking at as he will give us more options in a 4-4-2, 3-5-2 and also competition in midfield.

Robert Tressell
86 Posted 23/08/2020 at 15:30:21
Maitland-Niles is very average. There's a tonne of unremarkable players like him across Europe who would cost about £5m and offer as much.

Welbeck might be vaguely interesting on a free with pay as you play wages.

Unless it's a genuine big step up from Coleman & Kenny (eg, Aarons, Dagba, Dest) or possibly a tactical change (eg, Dalot) then can't see the point.

Okay, Gabriel is gone. But there are quite a few like him. Niakhate, Ndicka, Zagadou all big left footers. If Ancelotti really wants a centre-half, we'll get one. Hardly any deals have yet been done.

We don't need to chase mediocrity like Maitland-Niles.

You could buy a genuinely exciting teenager for half the money. In two seasons that player could be Champions League class – while Maitland-Niles would be sat on the bench.

Andrew Bentley
87 Posted 23/08/2020 at 17:12:12
Let's see how it plays out, Robert @86. I'd rather Maitland-Niles than Welbeck who's best days are behind him and can't get onto the pitch. Bit like signing Delph again and we all know how great that's gone so far.

We all have different opinions on players and sadly we are all just playing fantasy football. It's in Carlo's and Marcel's hands now and I for one am desperate for some good news and some signings to get done ASAP to cheer me up.

Sam Hoare
88 Posted 23/08/2020 at 17:31:11
Robert and Andrew, I quite like Maitland-Niles. He was decent at right-back last year and was clocked as the 5th fastest player in the league. We need some more pace.

The trouble is the price. The top 6 often assume they can sell their fringe players for £20-30M.

If we got him for £10M or so I think he'd be a very handy option who could fill in a few positions and offers genuine athleticism and some decent experience for a youngster. But much like Iwobi they'd probably charge us twice what he's worth.

Diatta (from Belgium) could also play right-wing and that guy is rapid and extremely hard working.

Tony Everan
89 Posted 23/08/2020 at 17:57:58
Robert, I have to agree that Maitland-Niles is another good but average player, and like Iwobi, Arsenal will think the idiots at Everton will pay 3 times what he is worth.

I think the frustration coming from Ancelotti is from conversations he is having with Allan. Allan wants to get here and adapt and acclimatise before the season starts. Carlo sees that as very important. He wants the deal done but we are haggling because everybody knows we are overpaying. At his age £15M seems nearer the mark £25-30M is excessive.

It's starting to look like we will have to take the overpayment on the chin this week, or risk a very unhappy manager.

I mean what's the alternative? Tell Ancelloti we are pulling out because Napoli have us over a barrel? Then sign Doucouré and Sangare or Santamaria. It spells the beginning of the end of Carlo's tenure if he is overruled.

Graham Hammond
90 Posted 23/08/2020 at 18:16:17
I wouldn't be disappointed if we brought in Maitland-Niles. What I have seen of him, I have been quite impressed.

He fits the age profile and experience we should be looking at and as Sam rightly says, he has a degree of pace about him which we badly need in both the Midfield and the Defence.

He could do a job in place of Seamus and also on the right-hand side of a three-man midfield. I favour a 4-3-3 formation if we can get the quality central defensive midfielder we so badly need, but I do think he would also work in a 4-3-1-2 formation which would allow either Gomes, Sigurdsson, Iwobi or Bernard into the side.

Depends on the price with Maitland-Niles, £18M or below I would be interested.

Kenny Smith
91 Posted 23/08/2020 at 21:13:38
Arteta has decided Maitland-Niles is not good enough for Arsenal. So why do we want another player from a club that wants rid? We should be buying other clubs better players not their cast offs. We've got a squad full of other teams shite that they sold to us for top money.

If we have to look to the Championship, then so what. I'd rather do that than line the pockets of our competitors and taking their poorest players from their wage bill straight onto ours.

Andrew Keatley
92 Posted 23/08/2020 at 22:23:32
Kenny (91) - I'm not sure Arteta has decided that, so if that's the case then fair enough, but I have heard that it's more a case of Maitland-Niles grasping the nettle and deciding that he wants to play regular first-team football - ideally in midfield - and is prepared to move club to find it.

If so then I like the ambition and the pragmatism. Considering the midfield we currently have, I'd welcome his dynamism, energy and pace. Not entirely sure about his temperament, but he's still young and I suspect that he is maturing.

Paul Birmingham
93 Posted 23/08/2020 at 23:43:03
In terms of the transfer window, all the BS media hype is as mad as any previous pre-season, but enhanced now, with the Covid-19 impact on global finances etc.

It seems that some clubs bearing time to prepare etc are grinding out deals.

So here's to a flush of proactive and successful transfer dealing this week. By God, we need some positives in the transfer market this week.

Chris Mason
94 Posted 23/08/2020 at 23:51:13
The priorities have to be central midfield and a left-sided wing-back.

A decent pivot and box-to-box will make our centre-back pairing massively better.

Baresi and Costacurta would be made to look like rank amateurs by our midfielders.

Justin Doone
95 Posted 23/08/2020 at 00:01:05
If you believe what you read Arteta is being backed financially to bring in top class ready to go players. He'll be under a lot of pressure if true to deliver champions league football for the following season.

The young-ish players want to continue their competitive playing development and will be sold for good money or loaned out.

I personally think the majority of our signings should now be as a loan with an agreed price at the end of the season. I'd be happy to pay a £2-£8 million season loan fee (depending on the player) to see how it goes.

The people against this are agents who promise to double, triple, etc. young players wages and line their own pockets. They are told to hold out for better deals and selling clubs would prefer to transfer the player asap to improve their accounts / cash position for their own additions.

However, FFP has once again failed to impose sanctions against clubs breaking the rules and with covid threatening clubs financial stability this could be an ideal time to risk a hit to gain an advantage.

Let's target some serious players at big clubs that will struggle financially. I'm thinking Portugal, Spain, Italy, Greece, France etc. If they can't offer champions league next season we could stand a good chance to grab an expensive bargain with a low risk loan first agreement.

Now the champions league has finished I'm expecting a lot of movement.

Chris Mason
96 Posted 24/08/2020 at 00:04:24
I'd be surprised if we don't play some of our ‘deadwood' if they don't get sold or loaned out. Especially Bolasie. With only a year to go on most of their contracts, it becomes us who have nothing to lose, given the paucity of quality in our squad.
Kenny Smith
97 Posted 24/08/2020 at 09:13:27
Andrew @91.

Arsenal as willing to let someone who's come through their academy go, not on loan but be sold. This is because he isn't good enough for their midfield where he wants to play, not at full-back or wing-back where he's been mainly used.

Their midfield is nearly as weak as ours and I'd say our full backs are better. He will not improve our first team and we've got enough squad players, in fact the squad is packed with them.

Richard Lyons
98 Posted 24/08/2020 at 09:21:23
I read on Saturday's BBC Sport/gossip column that Ancelotti is "growing frustrated with the club's transfer strategy".

HE's growing frustrated???

Sam Hoare
99 Posted 24/08/2020 at 09:34:47
Kenny@97, I think Maitland-Niles would definitely improve our first team. I'm several positions!

He'd be a better, more dynamic RB/RWB than Kenny or Coleman. He'd quite possibly be a better RW than Walcott. And I even suspect he could match or better the job done by Sigurdsson, Davies or Gomes in the middle.

The question may be more how big an improvement would or could he be? And what would the price be. I suspect there could be better improvements for the price they'd charge. I still think Marty Cash would be a good option at right back. But it depends on what Carlo thinks of Kenny and what offers might arise for him.

Andrew Keatley
100 Posted 24/08/2020 at 20:06:08
Kenny (97) - It seems that Arsenal need to offload a player or two to raise funds for new signings, and (against Arteta's wishes) Maitland-Niles is on that list of possible departures. The fact that Spurs and Wolves are apparently leading the way in terms of interest should tell you something about the player.

I agree with Sam Hoare – Maitland-Niles would improve our squad (as it stands right now) and would more than likely start most games for us. You might not like shopping in the Big 6 cast-offs aisle, but sometimes there are very good options there, provided the terms of the deal are not prohibitive.

Chris Mason
101 Posted 24/08/2020 at 22:35:54
This all sounds like desperation to me - new day, new random cast off transfer rumour.

We need a careful recruitment strategy, not the haphazard nonsense spouted in here informed by Football Manager and BBC gossip column.

Steve Clay
102 Posted 25/08/2020 at 18:55:26
Isn't about time we went after Man Utd's number 2 keeper before they work out De Moaner isn't all he thinks he is?

Pickford is entertaining but who wants an entertaining keeper?

Tom Bowers
103 Posted 28/08/2020 at 11:33:11
Arsenal and Everton are very different at the moment.

We really cannot compare the two because they get things done while Everton dawdle. They built a new stadium and Everton are still tweaking a design. They make signings and Everton dawdle.

New season soon and nothing new at Everton. Same old, same old.

Brian Williams
104 Posted 28/08/2020 at 11:40:27
Who have Arsenal signed?
Rob Halligan
105 Posted 28/08/2020 at 12:04:21
Brian, they signed Willian from Chelsea, but at 32 years of age, he was obviously too old for us!
Brian Murray
106 Posted 28/08/2020 at 12:13:44
Watford apparently want a loan involved with Doucouré signing. Hope Sigurdsson travels light and is ready for the off, please god!
Simon Harrison
107 Posted 28/08/2020 at 12:18:42
Brian [104],

As Rob above said, they've signed Willian from Chelsea (£11M) on a 'Free' – 32-year-old with a 3-year deal.

Plus our main 'Winter' target – a player whom Carletto said, "Get me him" – Gabriel, we offered an initial £25M deal in March which was accepted and all good. Then we dropped our offer to £20-22M and Arsenal, Man Utd and Napoli all offered £27M...

Gabriel, a unit with Champions League experience at Lille, left-footed and could play centre-back or left-back... Just what Carletto said he wanted.

So now we're chasing Allan (I understand this one), Doucouré (..?), Rodriguez (..!?), Arias, and probably Monk from Bournemouth? 'Tis a mad, mad, mad, ma world to me!?

We've missed Malang Sarr on a free too, left-footed and can play centre-back or left-back and defensive midfielder. he's gone to Chelsea and out on loan.

Santamaria will be heading to Turf Moor – another target we missed out on, and we genuinely still need a centre-back and a right-wingback.

Patince, patience and more patience is needed, methinks.

Vijay Nair
108 Posted 03/09/2020 at 23:44:49
BBC reporting that Arias (and Diego Costa) tested positive for coronavirus after returning from holiday, albeit with no symptoms.

If he is genuinely a target of ours, then this could be why nothing has progressed.

Don Alexander
109 Posted 04/09/2020 at 01:30:16
Simon (#107), you're clearly as infected as I am re distrust of negotiators in the boardroom – headed, still, by Kenwright, according to Moshiri in his publicly broadcast affirmation that Kenwright was being resurrected as, once again, a major influence in the boardroom.


Admittedly I have no insight whatsoever into today's "transfer management" arrangements but they seem to me to be bizarrely extenuated in the manner we had to endure for decades under Kenwright.

And, whilst I'm on, another TWer criticises me for moaning about Kenwright on Allan, Rodriguez & Doucouré and their failure to sign a contract, yet.

If the guy had read my whole post, he maybe should've realized that when I cited USM Finch Farm as a problem, stuffed as it still is with Kenwright's sentimental, feckless ex-Everton-player appointees, he, Kenwright, is the tumour that we, the fans, need to be removed from our club.

Especially since the idiot Moshiri announced to the world that he was bestowing a much more fulsome role to Kenwright.


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