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Allan only wants Everton

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The Allan-to-Everton saga continues, with the latest reports out of Italy suggesting that the Brazilian has chosen the Toffees as the club where he wants to play his football next season.

Allan has been linked with a move to Goodison Park ever since Carlo Ancelotti came on board as manager last December and the speculation has run unabated throughout the summer, with Napoli reportedly ready to cash in.

Reports vary over what the Serie A club want for the 29-year-old, with some suggesting that €25m would be enough, while others say they'll only accept a deal totalling €40m.

Journalist Nico Schira claims that Allan has been offered and has accepted personal terms worth €6m a year in expectation of a deal being done.

That is on top of reports by Gazzetta Dello Sport and Corriere Dello Sport say that Allan wants to reunite with Ancelotti at Everton.

Original Source: Gazzetta Dello Sport, Corriere Dello Sport via Sport Witness  
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Tony Everan
1 Posted 18/08/2020 at 22:25:31
€25m is good money for a player who is 30 In January, who isn't now a starter for them and whose wages they will want off the books. They should snap our hand off, it's too bloody generous.

I don't think we should raise that offer at all, Aurelio De Laurentis is just seeing how far he can push it.

Drew O’Neall
2 Posted 18/08/2020 at 22:32:05
I would begin reducing it and let the player become a nuisance. Take a leaf out of Man Utd’s book.
Si Pulford
3 Posted 18/08/2020 at 22:33:49
Again. As with Doucouré, he's exactly what we need. Teams stroll through us like we're not there. Big price if it's true but he could hopefully fit straight in and put some fight into us.
Joe McMahon
4 Posted 18/08/2020 at 22:34:57
Just hope Moshiri does walk on the price they want. The Sigurdsson deal is the worst I can think of in professional football in the UK.
Dan Nulty
5 Posted 18/08/2020 at 22:53:37
Loan deal would be preferable here.
Paul Birmingham
6 Posted 18/08/2020 at 23:13:03
If, and so many, but it would be a boost for moral ahead of a few weeks to prepare for the new season.

Hopefully, any business will be done soon, but let’s see.

A tricky window and even trickier to off load some players from Everton.

Trevor Peers
7 Posted 18/08/2020 at 23:24:34
Joe @4.

You're having a laugh, Sigurdsson the worst deal in the UK? No way! Fred, Man Utd (£52 million) and Ndombele, Spurs (£55 million) are both useless, far worse buys than Sigurdsson.

We have Bernard, Mina and Gomes equally useless at Everton and on bigger salaries, £120k a week, also contributing less.

Blaming Sigurdsson for all our ills is an absolute nonsense.


Christy Ring
8 Posted 18/08/2020 at 23:33:12
He's a top player we badly need, and who's not injury prone. We payed £25M for Gbamin, out until after Christmas; Delph, a waste of space; and threw away £35M on Iwobi... and we're haggling over €5M for a defensive midfielder which we're totally lacking.
Paul Kernot
9 Posted 18/08/2020 at 23:38:49
Trevor #7.

I'll see you & raise the bid to the Moyes purchase of Fellaini for $47mil or so. Even though it was years ago now, compared to today's prices that was terrible business.

Vijay Nair
10 Posted 18/08/2020 at 23:44:52
Trevor (7), Gomes is on ~£112k a week, and has been head and shoulders our best midfielder this season. Granted that is nothing to shout about, but he's hardly a flop.

Bernard has hardly had the number of opportunities that Sigurdsson has had to prove his worth. I think he could do a job in Sigurdsson's position, similar to say David Silva for Man City behind the front two.

Mina, I agree, was a bad buy. We need to cut our losses on this one.

Trevor Peers
11 Posted 18/08/2020 at 00:01:03
Vijay #10,

That doesn't make him the worst ever signing in the history of football in the UK, as Joe suggested.

James Stewart
12 Posted 19/08/2020 at 00:06:40
Yes, all day long, exactly what we need.
Alan J Thompson
13 Posted 19/08/2020 at 03:27:55
At £120k per week, I hope he is all he's built up to be and only wants a club with other Brazilians.
Jay Harris
14 Posted 19/08/2020 at 04:00:49
Vijay, sorry to disagree with you but none of our midfield players, especially Gomes, has been head and shoulders above anyone else. They have all been totally putrid.

Gomes constantly gets caught on the ball and gives stupid free-kicks away, usually in dangerous areas.

His tackling is non-existent and his goalscoring ability is less than zero. The only thing you can say about him is he puts the occasional "Hollywood" pass in and he loves the supporters.

Sam Hoare
15 Posted 19/08/2020 at 07:21:13
De Laurentis at Napoli is famously difficult to deal with. Like an Italian Daniel Levy, I hope we don't spend over £25m on him. Throwing money around on players with no resale value is partly what got us to this place though if he can hit the ground running (a big 'if' traditionally on players from Serie A) then he improves us hugely.
Paul Birmingham
16 Posted 19/08/2020 at 07:30:48
It’s Pasta Mania, with most transfer rumours linking EFC to any player in Serie A.

To be a fly on the wall in the managers room at FF.

Definitely need Allan, as our midfield last season was rank, and stank out most games. Too slow, non combatative, no desire, etc we’ve all said it.

Allan could become the nucleus of a new midfield. If..

Sam Bowen
17 Posted 19/08/2020 at 07:33:09
A midfield 3 of Allan, Gomes & Doucoure massively changes the dynamic of the team instantly. There’s obviously no guarantees but on paper, there’s a bit of everything you need with that trio. Defensive discipline and aggression with Allan, box to box legs and physical presence with Doucoure and a bit of guile with Gomes in a free role with less defensive duties which he’s poor at.

I too would hope for younger additions but if it’s not possible due to financial restrictions then I’d be more than happy with those midfield options for the next couple of seasons. As I say, instant improvement. Fingers crossed we can get them and a couple of others in very soon.

Tony Everan
18 Posted 19/08/2020 at 08:08:24
Sam B 18

I would be happy with Allan and Doucoure, experience and quality. I too would like to see some youthful energy and dynamism brought into our midfield, in addition to the very promising Anthony Gordon.

The younger addition(s) could be brought in by some creative transfer deals from Brands. Tom Davies plus cash for Bournemouth’s David Brooks? Could benefit both clubs and players, as I think Brooks will want to move on and Tom’s chances will be limited with Allan and Doucoure’s arrival. He could do an excellent job helping Bournemouth to be promoted and maybe eventually increase his value because of it.

Or alternatively sell Tom to Newcastle for 15-20m and put the money towards such a deal.

Sam Bowen
19 Posted 19/08/2020 at 08:12:48
Yes Tony, if that were a possibility then I’d love it if the club were able to get in Brooks as I really like him. I didn’t see much of him after his return from a long time out last season but before his injury, he really was blossoming. I go to most wales games and he’s always stood out, very dynamic and his movement is fantastic which Everton have lacked for years.
Mal van Schaick
20 Posted 19/08/2020 at 08:16:14
I’m still waiting for the midfield clear out. I would of thought we had to sell to buy given our dreadful waste of money on players who haven’t delivered.

I would also like to see some midfield players average age around about 24/25 as we had in the 80s. Brooks looks like he could be good for us, but others after him.

Steve Brown
21 Posted 19/08/2020 at 08:46:18
Allan will make a significant difference to our midfield, so let's try to secure him. If he wants to join us, that makes the negotiations with Napoli slightly easier.

But, as Sam says, we cannot pay over £25M on him as we are repeating the same cycle of squandering money on transfer fees and inflated wages. We have to get value out of this summer's transfers.

Tony Abrahams
22 Posted 19/08/2020 at 09:14:03
The more I think about it, then securing these two midfielders really changes how I would look at our prospects.

I've just written on another thread about Kenny being given a chance but I can understand us going for this player from Atlético now, because it could allow for a squad good enough to play different systems, even if this is a bit too modern for me!

Robert Tressell
23 Posted 19/08/2020 at 09:30:53
Allan and Doucouré would be a better pairing than we have by some distance, and would allow Gomes to play further forward in a 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1. It would also give Sigurdsson the midfield structure he requires to be effective. (Fine, he's limited but he does score goals consistently in his correct specialist position.) It's a very short-term fix though – and I think there are plenty of better, cheaper, younger players than Doucouré around. I'd rather we built for the future and not just season by season.

If we're only buying 3 players, as Brands has said, then it also only leaves one other spot up for grabs – presumably centre-half given pursuit of Gabriel and Todibo.

But I wonder whether attention has now switched to right-back given we are now very unlikely to land Gabriel, plus emergence of Branthwaite gives us more depth in that position.

Not seen much of Arias but he's not really kicked on since joining a bigger club, playing in a harder league. Probably better options but he would be quite cheap.

Vijay Nair
24 Posted 19/08/2020 at 09:55:27
Jay (14), no need to apologise at all. It would be a pretty boring forum if we all had the same opinion!

I think if we do sign Allan and Doucouré, as has been mooted, that would allow Gomes to play further forward and use his creativity.

I would also like to see Bernard given some more game time as well.

Dave Abrahams
25 Posted 19/08/2020 at 10:05:22
When will Everton get savvy and use the situation?

We've already made a very good offer for Allan, too much to be honest... The player apparently wants to come to Everton, through Ancelotti obviously, so let Napoli stew over the situation.

If someone is daft enough to offer more, which I doubt, let them have him.

But, FFS, don't offer any more.

Santa Krsh
26 Posted 19/08/2020 at 10:15:22
Everton playing a Diamond 4-4-2 with Allan getting the ball back with a crunching tackle, feeding it to Sigurdsson at the top of the diamond and he has the options of Calvert-Lewin, Richarlison, Gomes and the on-rushing Doucouré from deep as his options for threading a nice ball to put any of the aforementioned through on goal – and the Blues have the leeeeaaaddddd!!!!!!

Sounds nice yeah?? but wait... this is Everton for God's sake..

Ian Horan
27 Posted 19/08/2020 at 10:17:10
I can't help but chuckle when I see the dreaded "sell-on value" at this moment in time we need to fix the first 11.

The wages we also offer should be of no concern to the supporters; we need players that can pass to a blue shirt, can run, tackle and hate losing.

The old narky types, (I hate saying this) the RS have Robertson, Henderson, even TAA. Everton have Richarlison and Holgate, when it's getting naughty, they are are only two who back up their team mates.

For me, too many of us are playing Football Manager or, more so, Chairman. I just want a team who leaves it all out on the pitch, protects each other, and other teams hate playing us as they know they can't intimidate us. That for me is a minimum requirement for Everton FC. The 80s team could play but would all go to war when needed: the 1995 team – Dogs of War.

The 2000s teams just cry out for backbone, bottle and – above all passion for the club, each other and, most importantly, the fans!!

Brian Harrison
28 Posted 19/08/2020 at 10:18:10
Dave 25

I totally agree with you. According to the 2 leading sport papers in Italy, both say that, despite two other European clubs after him, he has said he wants to come here.

My only slight concern i,s if Napoli do get a better offer, would Ancelotti be happy losing one of his key transfers? But, given the player wants to come and apparently has agreed terms, then set a deadline to Napoli of accepting our offer by Friday.

Robert Tressell
29 Posted 19/08/2020 at 10:27:50
Ian, I know what you mean but the sell-on value is important. Or perhaps more the sell-on appeal. Not particularly for those who succeed – but for those who fail or start to wane.

If Allan and Doucouré don't work out, we will be stuck with them and their massive wages for many years. This is what has happened with Bolasie, Schneiderlin, Sigurdsson, Walcott, Tosun and others who were bought in their mid / late 20s. These guys and our inability to recoup fees / get wages off the books is a large part of our present woes.

Contrast that with Lookman, Vlasic and Onyekuru – where it was easy to offload and at a healthy profit.

Pat Kelly
30 Posted 19/08/2020 at 10:28:24
Of course he only wants Everton. Is anyone else offering €6M a year for him at almost 30?

Aging players, high fees, high salary, long contract? Now where have we heard this before and how did it turn out?

Conor McCourt
31 Posted 19/08/2020 at 11:05:15
I have to agree with Pat and believe this is complete madness.

Firstly, I don't agree that he is better than anything we have in that position as from admittedly limited viewing of Gbamin and how widely regarded in Germany he is I think he may be a different level to Allan.

At his best, the Brazilian is only a decent player. Factor in he has few Brazil caps (our Jo has double in a more competitive team), he looks like he's regressing, he may need time to acclimatise and I doubt the intensity of the Premier League will suit him; added to the fee and wages, it's terrible business.

Why can't we look at someone like Douglas Luiz who has really come to himself in the last few months and you can tell that he is a much more complete player than Idrissa Gueye at their respective ages. Gbamin and Luiz fighting it out would be great defensive options.

Doucouré also is crazy. The club wouldn't back Silva who identified him to replace Gueye's dynamism. Watford wanted £45 million so we walked away... yet £40 million would probably have got the deal done.

The player has had a poor season, is now 27, has one year less on his contract and yet the fee is reportedly £35 million. He wasn't good enough to pay £5 million more after having the season of his life when many of the top clubs were looking at him... but now, after a torrid campaign, we are taking the plunge. Desperation is the word that comes to mind.

Dale Rose
32 Posted 19/08/2020 at 11:10:35
I have a lot of faith in Carlo. He knows about football. Between him and Duncan, they saved us from the drop this season.

My knowledge compared to some on here is poor, but I've always managed to see the big picture. It seems we have players everywhere that someone has bought and had faith in. Often misplaced.

The core of a team is there. What we need to do is give our youngsters a chance, get them game time. Build a team we have some quality, forget Europe for a couple of years. Build an ever-improving foundation. It's not rocket science.

Tony Abrahams
33 Posted 19/08/2020 at 11:17:00
That doesn't make sense about setting Napoli any deadlines, Brian, because if they can get more money for the player elsewhere, then they would just turn us down and hope that the player changed his mind.

I remember reading Roy Keane's book, and he said Blackburn wanted him and were prepared to pay more money for him than Man Utd.

"We can't pay that!" Ferguson told the player, "but, if you want to come to us, just sit tight."

It's how it works, and I'm sure nothing's changed, look at our own deadwood, loan-loan-loan, but going nowhere because of the stupid contracts Everton have dished out.

If I had to guess, I'd say Schneiderlin probably went for £5-6 million, and had to be given half just to leave!

Steve Brown
34 Posted 19/08/2020 at 11:25:50
Gbamin won't be ready to start the season. He will be out until October earliest and possibly won't return until next year after suffering a serious achilles injury.

We have to plan on the basis that he won't be available for the medium to long term.

Brian Harrison
35 Posted 19/08/2020 at 13:00:56
Tony 33,

The reason I said about giving Napoli a deadline is that Ancelotti has said he ideally wanted the new players in for pre-season training.

Seeing as the window is still open till October, then sitting tight isn't an option for us, and do Napoli really want to hang on to a player who only wants to play for Everton?

Tom Bowers
36 Posted 19/08/2020 at 13:24:49
It amazes me that journalists always know these things before the club or player or agent confirms anything. There is just so much trashy speculation by the media, it makes your head spin.

Everton always seem to be (and I emphasize "seem to be") , involved in long protracted deals for players that ultimately turn out to be pure newspaper talk.

Mike Keating
37 Posted 19/08/2020 at 13:45:16
Trevor @7,

Agree and would add Sanchez to Man United to your list (£31 + a huge signing on fee and a record £400k per week only to let him go on a free).

But Joe has a point – we over paid for Sigurdson after identifying him as our main target when no-one else was interested. The Allan saga has a whiff of this about it too.

Mike Keating
38 Posted 19/08/2020 at 13:47:07
Sorry that should have read £31 MILLION but the fees are getting so obscene I lost a few noughts somewhere.
Christy Ring
39 Posted 19/08/2020 at 14:11:55
Steve @34, Gbamin won't be fit until after Christmas, he snapped his tendon.

We need a defensive midfielder now, and the season starts in less than a month. We make a firm offer for Allan, if we're €5M below the offer, stop haggling, pay it or move on.

We did it for Sigurdsson for the whole of the summer, and ended up paying £45M. Last summer, it was all Zaha, and that never materialised, and Brands panicked and paid £35M for Iwobi. Are we starting the same shite again???

Tony Abrahams
40 Posted 19/08/2020 at 14:34:54
Probably not, Brian, but unless they need the money to pursue other targets, then we might just have to wait.

Wenger said he thinks clubs signing players off other clubs might soon become a thing of the past. I'm not sure if he just meant the elite players.

If it's to be believed that Everton have already agreed terms with both Allen & Doucouré, then this means the agents are getting stronger, as if they didn't already have enough power.

Paul Kernot
41 Posted 20/08/2020 at 00:45:44
Connor #31.

I've read every post on this thread & on balance I agree with you. I'm as eager as any of us to get the midfield sorted asap and I agree we can't be relying on Gbamin coming back any time soon but I'm getting that feeling that, with Allan & Doucouré, we'd be repeating the same mistakes.

Vijay Nair
42 Posted 20/08/2020 at 08:43:38
Telegraph reporting Gabriel to Arsenal is a done deal for £22m.

Meanwhile, we are still sitting on our hands with no key signings a few weeks away from a new season. Typical Everton.

Sam Hoare
43 Posted 20/08/2020 at 08:46:24
It just feels like we are not learning our lessons. We keep trying to play it ‘safe' spending £25-30M on more experienced players who we then can't get rid of.

A lot depends on price and wages. If we bought Allan for £20-25M and he was on £70k then it makes a lot more sense than if we spend £30-35M and he's on £110k. In the latter case, it puts a huge pressure on the move to work out whereas in the former if he does not adjust you'd have a decent chance of shifting him 2 years on.

There's a lot of interesting midfielders out there: Sangare, Mwepu, Antonio, Locatelli, Soumare, Santamaria, Wendel, Cyprien, Barrios, Dominguez, Fulgini, Roca, Ferguson etc...

To look mainly at players in the Premier League or who the manager has worked with previously is very limiting.

Sukhdev Sohal
44 Posted 20/08/2020 at 18:13:37
43 Sam, I feel as if we bring in a younger cheaper player (like one of the ones you mentioned) to complement Allan, that would work out perfectly as we have an instant fix and someone for the long-term.
Jay Harris
45 Posted 20/08/2020 at 18:34:34
Vijay,

I totally agree with you there.

I would have thought we were planning our recruitment strategy 3 or 4 months ago as our deficiencies have been obvious for a long time but Carlo said he was meeting with the board the week after the season finished to discuss the squad requirements.

We have let Arsenal capture Gabriel and we identify players and then pussyfoot around until other clubs get interested.

Sam Hoare
46 Posted 20/08/2020 at 20:07:12
Sukhdev @44.

Yes, the need for a little experience and leadership is palpable.

In my ideal (semi-realistic) window from this point we buy Allan for £20M (or even better on loan), get Sangare (£10M) and Sarr (£30M + Bolasie).

That ticks a lot of boxes in terms of energy, athleticism, experience and sell-on value.

Robert Tressell
47 Posted 20/08/2020 at 21:16:39
Sam - Antonio & Ferguson? Do you mean the Shaktar and Aberdeen players? Very random! Who knows, might be the next Kante and McGinn.
Chris Mason
48 Posted 21/08/2020 at 05:03:50
Let’s be honest, Gabriel was never joining us, we were just an opening gambit for his agent to stoke up interest.

It was never anything else. We suffer delusions of grandeur despite our (now hamstrung) wealthy owner, we missed the chance to deploy a Moyes 2.0 approach three years ago. The club never will rebuild if they don’t embed some decent recruitment principles.

Sam Hoare
49 Posted 21/08/2020 at 07:36:37
Robert @47, yes! I've heard and read some very good things on Antonio. Ferguson is more because people often ask me if there are any bargain gems to be had in Scotland or Ireland and he's the best young central midfielder north of the border to my knowledge.
Tony Everan
50 Posted 21/08/2020 at 08:41:49
Sam 46

Allan, Sangare, Sarr

Marcel Brands said he wants to buy two or three targeted signings. If he landed only those three, I would be well happy. I think it would make us a far better team: more solidity, and more goal threat too.

If both those things can be brought to the table in three signings, then it is a no-brainer, that just has to be the focus and worth going all in for, rather than five or six more scattergun signings. I like the fact that those three combine quality, top-level experience, and also the much needed youthful pace and energy.

Also, three is a good number to introduce as starters to the first team in one window; trying to change too much too soon can often be counterproductive.

Sarr would the most challenging one for Brands, sounds like Watford would want £30-40M and also Sarr will have some Champions League clubs interested. RS are rumoured to be interested.

You never know, we have one or two players that could go the other way that could help them in their promotion push. It won't help that we are not on Watford's Christmas card list.

Doucouré is an interesting one, but I can't really understand us signing him for £20M unless Gomes is going back to Spain or Portugal for a similar amount. Then it could all make sense and be a very good replacement.

Robert Tressell
51 Posted 21/08/2020 at 09:08:09
Had a quick look on YouTube last night. Very difficult to judge the players due to the weak leagues they play in.

Antonio, despite looking like he's built for the U-10s, is obviously talented. Ferguson looks an all-action, battering-ram style player but skilful too.

On a vaguely related note, weren't we linked with the Shaktar scout who arranges the recruitment of about 2 moderately priced Brazilians each season? I'm guessing that didn't happen in the end...

James Newcombe
52 Posted 21/08/2020 at 21:25:48
I hope I’m very wrong, but I don’t think Gbamin will be making regular appearances for us. We need to prepare for the idea that he could be a total write-off.
Jay Harris
53 Posted 21/08/2020 at 22:14:49
For those concerned about Allan's age, there were 10 players on the pitch in the Europa League Final over 30 years of age!!
Paul Birmingham
54 Posted 21/08/2020 at 22:20:46
Good shout Jay, and hopefully this window, EFC, will get quality over quantity, in terms of new players.
Santa Krsh
55 Posted 22/08/2020 at 08:38:45
To all the doubters, we just need to look a bit across at Manchester City. They were mocked when they bought Fernandinho for 30 quid at the age of 28 at the same time Paulinho was bought by Spurs for around half the price and also was 4 years younger. Look who is where now.

At 35, Fernandinho is just indispensable, undroppable. He has just not played as striker and goalie. He has just been accommodated to be in the team wherever possible even though they have spent billions on a star-studded team.

So a big shout out to Jay and Paul. We should just forget resale, age and everything else. So if the player is dedicated to our cause and he is managed properly and felt wanted by the management, he will be the real deal.

Joe McMahon
56 Posted 22/08/2020 at 08:55:18
It's down to the individual to keep themselves in condition also. David Silva is the same age as Wayne Rooney, for example, Wayne is still playing at a high level but wouldn't be able to perform in the Premier League at the same level now.
Fran Mitchell
57 Posted 22/08/2020 at 08:57:18
Sam @49.

You say "I've heard and read some very good things on Antonio".

Here in lies the true issue. Heard and read. Now, can we expect the club to really use our limited resources on players they have likely not seen play?

With the current state of everything regarding travel, closed-door matches, curtailed 2019-20 seasons and such, many players you list simply won't have been scouted enough.

The club is probably aware of the names, but would you expect Ancelotti to be happy to bank his new midfield, which will essentially define the success of our season, on players he has not seen play, that he has insufficient scout reports?

This explains greatly the focus of our main targets.

We do need to improve our scouting department but, for this window, signing players based on tips and reputation alone could be disastrous.

Anthony Murphy
58 Posted 22/08/2020 at 09:04:12
I don't think Allan's age is an issue but we shouldn't be paying over the odds. Too many times in recent history we have been made mugs of. We need to have a limit and stick to it – he is apparently really keen to join so that should help with negotiations.

I'd love the guy to sign but if we pay over the odds it'll make every bad game stand out – the amount of players we already have like this have been part of the problem.

Robert Tressell
59 Posted 22/08/2020 at 09:50:41
Yes, Anthony. We have a track record of paying top 6 prices for players not good enough for the top 6. Allan is probably good enough for top 6 but has blossomed late-ish hence few / no other takers. A bit like Fernandinho as per the earlier point.

I'd rather we focussed on youth but occasionally signing high quality older players is fine provided (like Barry for example) they have the motivation and gas in the tank. Ancelotti will be a good judge of Allan's motivation. He is more all action than Fernandinho though so probably can't go on till his mid thirties in the same way. But till age 32 or 33 should be okay.

The problem we have with signings of this nature is shifting them and their huge wages out if they fail or wane. It ends up being a barrier to building a good side. We can't make a habit of it but the odd strategic signing like this will improve us.

Karl Meighan
60 Posted 22/08/2020 at 11:11:25
Dont offer no more than a 2-year contract to any player. If there hungry and really want to prove themselves at are club then this should not prove a problem. This way we may well miss out on some players but won't have players who are not good enough stealing a living.

Wages would not be a problem as, when the 2 years are up, they can negotiate based on their performances on the pitch and not be given fortunes in wages that have not been earned.

Steve Brown
61 Posted 22/08/2020 at 11:30:10
Karl @ 60, that just means they can leave in a free transfer after 2 years, no matter what the transfer fee was.
Sukhdev Sohal
62 Posted 22/08/2020 at 11:43:29
Let's get the deal done ASAP so we can focus on the rest of our targets. Bring in Tete, Bailey or Diatta, and Sangare or Doucouré.
Sukhdev Sohal
63 Posted 22/08/2020 at 12:07:53
I reckon Allan could be good as an exception from the targeted range, as in 19- to 25-year-olds, as Robert said.
Andy Wilkinson
64 Posted 22/08/2020 at 12:21:18
Carl @ 60 – imagine if we'd only given Richarlison a 2-year contract.
Steve Ferns
65 Posted 22/08/2020 at 12:39:35
Karl, Lukaku had us over a barrel once he was down to 2 years. It gave us 12 months to get a decent price for him and really when you only have 12 months left, you won't get top dollar anymore.

Players like Richarlison need to be locked down to 5-year contract with nothing less that 2-years on them. Sure, it's different for the over-27s.

Sam Hoare
66 Posted 22/08/2020 at 12:48:36
Fran @57, I'd expect the club to have slightly more scouting resources than me! Surely they could get tapes of most of his games for Shakthar last season, for example.
Andy Wilkinson
67 Posted 23/08/2020 at 22:54:19
Allan's on his way finally!
Billy Roberts
68 Posted 24/08/2020 at 19:50:32
Andy @67,

Is he stuck in traffic?

Robert Bresnan
69 Posted 24/08/2020 at 20:06:15
Billy @68 – don't worry, he just stopped off for a quick pint with Muller. He'll be here any sec...
Alan Johnson
70 Posted 24/08/2020 at 21:15:34
Think we will not get anyone else in untill Allan is sorted one way or the other.
Martin Berry
71 Posted 24/08/2020 at 21:16:14
Are we talking about Dave Allen?
Geoff Lambert
72 Posted 24/08/2020 at 21:26:36
Sam #66
Tapes ???? haha
Geoff Lambert
73 Posted 24/08/2020 at 21:41:46
I know it's YouTube but the tenacity is just what we are looking for.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzz2UeGQxEw

Danny Baily
74 Posted 24/08/2020 at 21:54:02
Too old considering he has no Premier League experience. This would likely be another expensive mistake on our part.
Steve Shave
75 Posted 24/08/2020 at 22:19:17
Both the Mail and the Mirror reporting tonight that Kean to Juve on LOAN is imminent. Now this surely has to be some sort of fucking joke??? Unless of course Usmanov is about to splash the cash in a major way, I cannot see how on earth we can do this? Surely he is still a valuable asset, to be used at the very least as a make weight in a deal for another player.
Paul Tran
76 Posted 24/08/2020 at 22:29:51
Every day in every media outlet, there will reports on the lines of 'Everton are possibly interested in entering talks about...'

If you get excited and start frothing at the mouth when you read this baseless nonsense, have a good look at yourself.

We don't know what's going on behind the scenes. Wait till they're wearing the shirt. Much better for your blood pressure and sanity.

Geoff Lambert
77 Posted 24/08/2020 at 22:50:30
What's all the "too old" shit about? The guy is 29, for fuck's sake.

I could pick you a team of over-30s that would walk the Premier League, no problem.

Neil Copeland
78 Posted 24/08/2020 at 22:53:09
Paul #76, agreed.

One of the strangest phrases I have seen today regarding the Allan transfer is that Carlo and Napoli have had a metaphorical handshake to agree the deal! WTF is a metaphorical handshake?

Colin Glassar
79 Posted 24/08/2020 at 22:56:18
Anyone who says they only “want to play for Everton” needs to be treated with the utmost caution and suspicion. Not only a physical is required but a complete psychiatric study!

Joking aside, I hope we get him. In fact, I hope we get anyone who can improve our nonexistent midfield.

Robert Tressell
80 Posted 24/08/2020 at 23:08:08
Steve # 75. Yesterday is was Michael Keane to Barcelona. Today it's Moise Kean back to Juve. Good grief.

Hopefully this Allan deal will be done and dusted tomorrow. It's getting boring. When does the window shut again?

Alan Rodgers
81 Posted 24/08/2020 at 23:10:52
Express reporting tonight Allan is a done deal at 31.5 - hope that's euros. Also Kean on loan to Juventus. We'll see.
Tom Bowers
82 Posted 24/08/2020 at 23:14:14
On the nail Colin! Everyone wants to play in the Premier League as the biggest pay packets are to be gotten there but wanting to play for Everton is something kids aspire for whilst still at school.

There's an old saying, "buyer beware", and this could be another case considering the age and the money involved.

Everton are crying out for more speed but I would say at 29 you ain't got the speed of a 20-year-old. Walcott is quick but nothing like he was when he signed for the Gooners.

Last season, for the most part, Everton looked like a team of pedestrians even against the relegated teams.

Doesn't appear anything in that department is going to change as yet.

Steve Shave
83 Posted 24/08/2020 at 23:20:11
I know Rob 80 I was having a moment! Bad day, could really do with some good Everton news to perk me up only to read this sort of shite.
Graham Hammond
84 Posted 24/08/2020 at 23:30:22
I will be pissed off if Moise Kean does indeed go back to Juventus, even if it is on a loan, was he ever really given a decent chance? Too often we buy players then just don't play 'em.

Realistically though he was never going to fit in at Everton, a player with youth and pace, geriatric statues seem to be the order of the day at our club. Lose Richarlison next and things really are not looking great.

Kieran Kinsella
85 Posted 25/08/2020 at 03:40:47
Graham,

The story is Kean will play for the Juve B team... seriously? £28 million for him to play at the level Bobby Duncan is too good for? Has to be BS? Right??

Jay Harris
86 Posted 25/08/2020 at 03:43:24
Being reported in Italy that the deal for Allan will not be signed until September 1st. Dont know why but it's a reliable source.
Alan J Thompson
87 Posted 25/08/2020 at 05:16:17
And if Kean does go back to Juve, on loan or permanent, who is supposed to be the back-up striker, Big Dunc?

Makes little sense whichever way you look at it unless his Mum has told him his tea's ready.

Alan J Thompson
88 Posted 25/08/2020 at 05:52:22
Just a minute, though. Didn't somebody say they saw Oumar on a video of training the other day, or was he just returning his locker?
Vijay Nair
89 Posted 25/08/2020 at 06:42:37
Jay (86), the only significance of that date is that it's when the Serie A transfer window opens. Not sure why anyone needs to wait for that specific date for the signing to happen though. Maybe that's when it becomes official?
Colin Glassar
90 Posted 25/08/2020 at 07:25:16
Riquelme is available, for a small fee, apparently. Any takers?
Tony Everan
91 Posted 25/08/2020 at 07:44:05
Colin, 79, that gave me a laugh. Was it Grouch Marx who said he wouldn't want to join any club that would accept him as a member.

I have been thinking for a while that Carlo will want more experienced guile up front. Moise needs more game time and experience, if he is not going to get that with us, he needs to get it somewhere.

I am not convinced that the Juve B team is the right place. It is like a baby being insert back into the womb because the outside world is a bit tough. He needs to go somewhere to grow and fight for everything. It's the only way he will improve.

I think Carlo will have an older, experienced, proven striker in mind to bring in. God knows who, but there are a few confident, old, goalscoring knights-errant out there. Carlo will have the mobile phone numbers of half-a-dozen of them. Think Giroud, Dezko, Cavani, Higuain, etc, etc. Who knows he may even bring in Ibrahimovic for a season.

Or maybe a total surprise, game-changing signing like Milik. With our current mid-table and out-of-Europe status, this route is much harder.

Richard Cusworth
92 Posted 25/08/2020 at 08:33:30
My confusion with all this, even before Covid-19 we were so close on FFP that significant funds were never going to be available this summer. So what was Carlo promised when he signed and what did he believe he could actually achieve? – I suspect he's been more horrified at what he's walked into than he could possibly have imagined.

I also suspect the board firmly believed we have good players and just needed a decent manager to make it work which in itself is terrifying. Unless we break FFP, I don't see how we can buy without sales and, let's be honest, most made themselves unsaleable with those last 9 games.

Unfortunately, the Koeman mess has set us back 5 years and I fear we are pretty much working with what we have for the next year, maybe two. If that's how it is, then people won't like it but will accept it if the transparency is there – it's the hope that kills you.

The other alternative is selling Richarlison for a massive fee. If we do manage to get two midfielders in by hook or crook, it will be a real positive shot in the arm. The rest would be loans or waiting till next year.

I just hope Carlo and the board are on the same page on timescale as this looks like being a long painful haul and I think we have to get used to that idea, as unpalatable as it is. Forget league position next year, I just want to see some building blocks in terms of the basics - fight, passion, determination and some ethic foundations to build on.

Liam Reilly
93 Posted 25/08/2020 at 15:59:52
We finally have the manager that we all craved but the team sucks.

Apparently we are a few million off between Allan and Doucouré.

There's a £2M Merit difference for each place in the Premier League, so 12th = £17M and 7th = £27M. If Ancelotti believes that these two can get us challenging for 7th and just maybe, we can offload one of the senior players, it's a no-brainer.

Graham Hammond
94 Posted 25/08/2020 at 16:51:18
Kieran #85, Obviously I have no idea what is really going on with Moise Kean or with any of the others. I am not convinced that Carlo wants him though if I am absolutely honest.

From my point of view, I would like to see the lad given a real chance, or certainly, more game time if Calvert-Lewin performs as he did in the latter part of last season.

I just get the impression that Brands is trying to save relative pennies on the wage bill by reducing numbers where he can yet is failing miserably to offload the real big earners that are underperforming at our club, some of whom he bought in the first place!

Peter Neilson
95 Posted 25/08/2020 at 17:15:03
Ronaldinho has been released from house arrest. Though no doubt a bit rusty.
Mike Gaynes
96 Posted 25/08/2020 at 17:45:07
Peter, the guy has two wives. No remaining energy for football.
Peter Neilson
97 Posted 25/08/2020 at 17:52:28
Good point, Mike,but still think he could keep up with our pace (so could his wives). Just thought he might be the perfect punchline to the joke that is our recent transfer record.
Alex Gray
98 Posted 25/08/2020 at 17:55:12
A few sources saying we're way off the mark with Doucouré and the Napoli president has gone public and basically said "Meet our asking price or you're not getting Allan."

Echo also saying don't expect business until late September. We either have to sell to buy or we're making the exact same mistakes as every window prior.

Rob Young
99 Posted 25/08/2020 at 18:31:56
If we have to sell to buy, why are we offering lots of money to other clubs, we're hardly selling players at the moment...
Anthony Murphy
100 Posted 25/08/2020 at 18:32:46
With Allan – although I'd love us to sign him, we really need to hold our nerve and not pay over the odds. We must walk away if Napoli are taking the piss.
Ian Bennett
101 Posted 25/08/2020 at 18:52:32
Alex 98 - clubs will do business nearer the window end. The prices being quoted will drop dramatically.

Cash will be king this window, and bargains will be found near the end.

Jay Harris
102 Posted 25/08/2020 at 19:01:39
These reports are all over the place, as you might expect from the rags.

I heard via the Italian press, who are just as bad but more in the know, that the Allan deal is agreed but both clubs have agreed not to announce it until September 1st. If that is true, I don't know the significance of it... perhaps Paul the Esk might know a reason?

Rob Halligan
103 Posted 25/08/2020 at 20:19:15
Now we know why we are allowing Kean to go out on loan. Carlo has used his influence and persuaded Lionel Messi to join us!!
Paul Birmingham
104 Posted 25/08/2020 at 20:28:30
As transfer sagas go, Allan's is some saga, hopefully it will ended well, in our favour.

Also hopefully he's in training with Napoli, and staying in condition to hit the ground running and with a few other signings and sensible loans, will spear head this season for EFC.

Well let's hope so, and as Rob, alludes, Messi, will decide to join EFC!

Let's see how far the negotiations are going for other players.

Well we live in hope eternal.

Brian Williams
105 Posted 25/08/2020 at 20:30:16
Messi?

Pfffft, he's too old.

Mike Gaynes
106 Posted 25/08/2020 at 20:38:14
Yeah, Brian, and his work rate is terrible. Just strolls around the pitch. Pulls out of tackles. Won't track back. And we have too many short guys already.

Plus he wouldn't be able to adjust to the Premier League because he doesn't speak much English.

Brian Williams
107 Posted 25/08/2020 at 20:42:50
.....and no sell-on value.
Tony Twist
108 Posted 25/08/2020 at 21:01:54
This transfer window period could well be very embarrassing to Everton and it is due to laziness and it hasn't changed since Moyes left us.

It became common knowledge that Ancelotti wanted Allan, from then on we were screwed. Same with Doucouré, we are going to have to wait and wait and wait for a decision and hope Watfords desire to get rid stops the being greedy. The purchase of these elderly players will test the patience of all concerned.

The quality of the youth and the ability of them to freshen up the first team will be critical for many years to come.

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