The Allan-to-Everton saga continues, with the latest reports out of Italy suggesting that the Brazilian has chosen the Toffees as the club where he wants to play his football next season.
Allan has been linked with a move to Goodison Park ever since Carlo Ancelotti came on board as manager last December and the speculation has run unabated throughout the summer, with Napoli reportedly ready to cash in.
Reports vary over what the Serie A club want for the 29-year-old, with some suggesting that €25m would be enough, while others say they'll only accept a deal totalling €40m.
Journalist Nico Schira claims that Allan has been offered and has accepted personal terms worth €6m a year in expectation of a deal being done.
Original Source: Gazzetta Dello Sport, Corriere Dello Sport via Sport Witness
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1 Posted 18/08/2020 at 22:25:31
I don't think we should raise that offer at all, Aurelio De Laurentis is just seeing how far he can push it.
2 Posted 18/08/2020 at 22:32:05
3 Posted 18/08/2020 at 22:33:49
4 Posted 18/08/2020 at 22:34:57
5 Posted 18/08/2020 at 22:53:37
6 Posted 18/08/2020 at 23:13:03
Hopefully, any business will be done soon, but lets see.
A tricky window and even trickier to off load some players from Everton.
7 Posted 18/08/2020 at 23:24:34
You're having a laugh, Sigurdsson the worst deal in the UK? No way! Fred, Man Utd (£52 million) and Ndombele, Spurs (£55 million) are both useless, far worse buys than Sigurdsson.
We have Bernard, Mina and Gomes equally useless at Everton and on bigger salaries, £120k a week, also contributing less.
Blaming Sigurdsson for all our ills is an absolute nonsense.
8 Posted 18/08/2020 at 23:33:12
9 Posted 18/08/2020 at 23:38:49
I'll see you & raise the bid to the Moyes purchase of Fellaini for $47mil or so. Even though it was years ago now, compared to today's prices that was terrible business.
10 Posted 18/08/2020 at 23:44:52
Bernard has hardly had the number of opportunities that Sigurdsson has had to prove his worth. I think he could do a job in Sigurdsson's position, similar to say David Silva for Man City behind the front two.
Mina, I agree, was a bad buy. We need to cut our losses on this one.
11 Posted 18/08/2020 at 00:01:03
That doesn't make him the worst ever signing in the history of football in the UK, as Joe suggested.
12 Posted 19/08/2020 at 00:06:40
13 Posted 19/08/2020 at 03:27:55
14 Posted 19/08/2020 at 04:00:49
Gomes constantly gets caught on the ball and gives stupid free-kicks away, usually in dangerous areas.
His tackling is non-existent and his goalscoring ability is less than zero. The only thing you can say about him is he puts the occasional "Hollywood" pass in and he loves the supporters.
15 Posted 19/08/2020 at 07:21:13
16 Posted 19/08/2020 at 07:30:48
To be a fly on the wall in the managers room at FF.
Definitely need Allan, as our midfield last season was rank, and stank out most games. Too slow, non combatative, no desire, etc weve all said it.
Allan could become the nucleus of a new midfield. If..
17 Posted 19/08/2020 at 07:33:09
I too would hope for younger additions but if its not possible due to financial restrictions then Id be more than happy with those midfield options for the next couple of seasons. As I say, instant improvement. Fingers crossed we can get them and a couple of others in very soon.
18 Posted 19/08/2020 at 08:08:24
I would be happy with Allan and Doucoure, experience and quality. I too would like to see some youthful energy and dynamism brought into our midfield, in addition to the very promising Anthony Gordon.
The younger addition(s) could be brought in by some creative transfer deals from Brands. Tom Davies plus cash for Bournemouths David Brooks? Could benefit both clubs and players, as I think Brooks will want to move on and Toms chances will be limited with Allan and Doucoures arrival. He could do an excellent job helping Bournemouth to be promoted and maybe eventually increase his value because of it.
Or alternatively sell Tom to Newcastle for 15-20m and put the money towards such a deal.
19 Posted 19/08/2020 at 08:12:48
20 Posted 19/08/2020 at 08:16:14
I would also like to see some midfield players average age around about 24/25 as we had in the 80s. Brooks looks like he could be good for us, but others after him.
21 Posted 19/08/2020 at 08:46:18
But, as Sam says, we cannot pay over £25M on him as we are repeating the same cycle of squandering money on transfer fees and inflated wages. We have to get value out of this summer's transfers.
22 Posted 19/08/2020 at 09:14:03
I've just written on another thread about Kenny being given a chance but I can understand us going for this player from Atlético now, because it could allow for a squad good enough to play different systems, even if this is a bit too modern for me!
23 Posted 19/08/2020 at 09:30:53
If we're only buying 3 players, as Brands has said, then it also only leaves one other spot up for grabs – presumably centre-half given pursuit of Gabriel and Todibo.
But I wonder whether attention has now switched to right-back given we are now very unlikely to land Gabriel, plus emergence of Branthwaite gives us more depth in that position.
Not seen much of Arias but he's not really kicked on since joining a bigger club, playing in a harder league. Probably better options but he would be quite cheap.
24 Posted 19/08/2020 at 09:55:27
I think if we do sign Allan and Doucouré, as has been mooted, that would allow Gomes to play further forward and use his creativity.
I would also like to see Bernard given some more game time as well.
25 Posted 19/08/2020 at 10:05:22
We've already made a very good offer for Allan, too much to be honest... The player apparently wants to come to Everton, through Ancelotti obviously, so let Napoli stew over the situation.
If someone is daft enough to offer more, which I doubt, let them have him.
But, FFS, don't offer any more.
26 Posted 19/08/2020 at 10:15:22
Sounds nice yeah?? but wait... this is Everton for God's sake..
27 Posted 19/08/2020 at 10:17:10
The wages we also offer should be of no concern to the supporters; we need players that can pass to a blue shirt, can run, tackle and hate losing.
The old narky types, (I hate saying this) the RS have Robertson, Henderson, even TAA. Everton have Richarlison and Holgate, when it's getting naughty, they are are only two who back up their team mates.
For me, too many of us are playing Football Manager or, more so, Chairman. I just want a team who leaves it all out on the pitch, protects each other, and other teams hate playing us as they know they can't intimidate us. That for me is a minimum requirement for Everton FC. The 80s team could play but would all go to war when needed: the 1995 team – Dogs of War.
The 2000s teams just cry out for backbone, bottle and – above all passion for the club, each other and, most importantly, the fans!!
28 Posted 19/08/2020 at 10:18:10
I totally agree with you. According to the 2 leading sport papers in Italy, both say that, despite two other European clubs after him, he has said he wants to come here.
My only slight concern i,s if Napoli do get a better offer, would Ancelotti be happy losing one of his key transfers? But, given the player wants to come and apparently has agreed terms, then set a deadline to Napoli of accepting our offer by Friday.
29 Posted 19/08/2020 at 10:27:50
If Allan and Doucouré don't work out, we will be stuck with them and their massive wages for many years. This is what has happened with Bolasie, Schneiderlin, Sigurdsson, Walcott, Tosun and others who were bought in their mid / late 20s. These guys and our inability to recoup fees / get wages off the books is a large part of our present woes.
Contrast that with Lookman, Vlasic and Onyekuru – where it was easy to offload and at a healthy profit.
30 Posted 19/08/2020 at 10:28:24
Aging players, high fees, high salary, long contract? Now where have we heard this before and how did it turn out?
31 Posted 19/08/2020 at 11:05:15
Firstly, I don't agree that he is better than anything we have in that position as from admittedly limited viewing of Gbamin and how widely regarded in Germany he is I think he may be a different level to Allan.
At his best, the Brazilian is only a decent player. Factor in he has few Brazil caps (our Jo has double in a more competitive team), he looks like he's regressing, he may need time to acclimatise and I doubt the intensity of the Premier League will suit him; added to the fee and wages, it's terrible business.
Why can't we look at someone like Douglas Luiz who has really come to himself in the last few months and you can tell that he is a much more complete player than Idrissa Gueye at their respective ages. Gbamin and Luiz fighting it out would be great defensive options.
Doucouré also is crazy. The club wouldn't back Silva who identified him to replace Gueye's dynamism. Watford wanted £45 million so we walked away... yet £40 million would probably have got the deal done.
The player has had a poor season, is now 27, has one year less on his contract and yet the fee is reportedly £35 million. He wasn't good enough to pay £5 million more after having the season of his life when many of the top clubs were looking at him... but now, after a torrid campaign, we are taking the plunge. Desperation is the word that comes to mind.
32 Posted 19/08/2020 at 11:10:35
My knowledge compared to some on here is poor, but I've always managed to see the big picture. It seems we have players everywhere that someone has bought and had faith in. Often misplaced.
The core of a team is there. What we need to do is give our youngsters a chance, get them game time. Build a team we have some quality, forget Europe for a couple of years. Build an ever-improving foundation. It's not rocket science.
33 Posted 19/08/2020 at 11:17:00
I remember reading Roy Keane's book, and he said Blackburn wanted him and were prepared to pay more money for him than Man Utd.
"We can't pay that!" Ferguson told the player, "but, if you want to come to us, just sit tight."
It's how it works, and I'm sure nothing's changed, look at our own deadwood, loan-loan-loan, but going nowhere because of the stupid contracts Everton have dished out.
If I had to guess, I'd say Schneiderlin probably went for £5-6 million, and had to be given half just to leave!
34 Posted 19/08/2020 at 11:25:50
We have to plan on the basis that he won't be available for the medium to long term.
35 Posted 19/08/2020 at 13:00:56
The reason I said about giving Napoli a deadline is that Ancelotti has said he ideally wanted the new players in for pre-season training.
Seeing as the window is still open till October, then sitting tight isn't an option for us, and do Napoli really want to hang on to a player who only wants to play for Everton?
36 Posted 19/08/2020 at 13:24:49
Everton always seem to be (and I emphasize "seem to be") , involved in long protracted deals for players that ultimately turn out to be pure newspaper talk.
37 Posted 19/08/2020 at 13:45:16
Agree and would add Sanchez to Man United to your list (£31 + a huge signing on fee and a record £400k per week only to let him go on a free).
But Joe has a point – we over paid for Sigurdson after identifying him as our main target when no-one else was interested. The Allan saga has a whiff of this about it too.
38 Posted 19/08/2020 at 13:47:07
39 Posted 19/08/2020 at 14:11:55
We need a defensive midfielder now, and the season starts in less than a month. We make a firm offer for Allan, if we're €5M below the offer, stop haggling, pay it or move on.
We did it for Sigurdsson for the whole of the summer, and ended up paying £45M. Last summer, it was all Zaha, and that never materialised, and Brands panicked and paid £35M for Iwobi. Are we starting the same shite again???
40 Posted 19/08/2020 at 14:34:54
Wenger said he thinks clubs signing players off other clubs might soon become a thing of the past. I'm not sure if he just meant the elite players.
If it's to be believed that Everton have already agreed terms with both Allen & Doucouré, then this means the agents are getting stronger, as if they didn't already have enough power.
41 Posted 20/08/2020 at 00:45:44
I've read every post on this thread & on balance I agree with you. I'm as eager as any of us to get the midfield sorted asap and I agree we can't be relying on Gbamin coming back any time soon but I'm getting that feeling that, with Allan & Doucouré, we'd be repeating the same mistakes.
42 Posted 20/08/2020 at 08:43:38
Meanwhile, we are still sitting on our hands with no key signings a few weeks away from a new season. Typical Everton.
43 Posted 20/08/2020 at 08:46:24
A lot depends on price and wages. If we bought Allan for £20-25M and he was on £70k then it makes a lot more sense than if we spend £30-35M and he's on £110k. In the latter case, it puts a huge pressure on the move to work out whereas in the former if he does not adjust you'd have a decent chance of shifting him 2 years on.
There's a lot of interesting midfielders out there: Sangare, Mwepu, Antonio, Locatelli, Soumare, Santamaria, Wendel, Cyprien, Barrios, Dominguez, Fulgini, Roca, Ferguson etc...
To look mainly at players in the Premier League or who the manager has worked with previously is very limiting.
44 Posted 20/08/2020 at 18:13:37
45 Posted 20/08/2020 at 18:34:34
I totally agree with you there.
I would have thought we were planning our recruitment strategy 3 or 4 months ago as our deficiencies have been obvious for a long time but Carlo said he was meeting with the board the week after the season finished to discuss the squad requirements.
We have let Arsenal capture Gabriel and we identify players and then pussyfoot around until other clubs get interested.
46 Posted 20/08/2020 at 20:07:12
Yes, the need for a little experience and leadership is palpable.
In my ideal (semi-realistic) window from this point we buy Allan for £20M (or even better on loan), get Sangare (£10M) and Sarr (£30M + Bolasie).
That ticks a lot of boxes in terms of energy, athleticism, experience and sell-on value.
47 Posted 20/08/2020 at 21:16:39
48 Posted 21/08/2020 at 05:03:50
It was never anything else. We suffer delusions of grandeur despite our (now hamstrung) wealthy owner, we missed the chance to deploy a Moyes 2.0 approach three years ago. The club never will rebuild if they dont embed some decent recruitment principles.
49 Posted 21/08/2020 at 07:36:37
50 Posted 21/08/2020 at 08:41:49
Allan, Sangare, Sarr
Marcel Brands said he wants to buy two or three targeted signings. If he landed only those three, I would be well happy. I think it would make us a far better team: more solidity, and more goal threat too.
If both those things can be brought to the table in three signings, then it is a no-brainer, that just has to be the focus and worth going all in for, rather than five or six more scattergun signings. I like the fact that those three combine quality, top-level experience, and also the much needed youthful pace and energy.
Also, three is a good number to introduce as starters to the first team in one window; trying to change too much too soon can often be counterproductive.
Sarr would the most challenging one for Brands, sounds like Watford would want £30-40M and also Sarr will have some Champions League clubs interested. RS are rumoured to be interested.
You never know, we have one or two players that could go the other way that could help them in their promotion push. It won't help that we are not on Watford's Christmas card list.
Doucouré is an interesting one, but I can't really understand us signing him for £20M unless Gomes is going back to Spain or Portugal for a similar amount. Then it could all make sense and be a very good replacement.
51 Posted 21/08/2020 at 09:08:09
Antonio, despite looking like he's built for the U-10s, is obviously talented. Ferguson looks an all-action, battering-ram style player but skilful too.
On a vaguely related note, weren't we linked with the Shaktar scout who arranges the recruitment of about 2 moderately priced Brazilians each season? I'm guessing that didn't happen in the end...
52 Posted 21/08/2020 at 21:25:48
53 Posted 21/08/2020 at 22:14:49
54 Posted 21/08/2020 at 22:20:46
55 Posted 22/08/2020 at 08:38:45
At 35, Fernandinho is just indispensable, undroppable. He has just not played as striker and goalie. He has just been accommodated to be in the team wherever possible even though they have spent billions on a star-studded team.
So a big shout out to Jay and Paul. We should just forget resale, age and everything else. So if the player is dedicated to our cause and he is managed properly and felt wanted by the management, he will be the real deal.
56 Posted 22/08/2020 at 08:55:18
57 Posted 22/08/2020 at 08:57:18
You say "I've heard and read some very good things on Antonio".
Here in lies the true issue. Heard and read. Now, can we expect the club to really use our limited resources on players they have likely not seen play?
With the current state of everything regarding travel, closed-door matches, curtailed 2019-20 seasons and such, many players you list simply won't have been scouted enough.
The club is probably aware of the names, but would you expect Ancelotti to be happy to bank his new midfield, which will essentially define the success of our season, on players he has not seen play, that he has insufficient scout reports?
This explains greatly the focus of our main targets.
We do need to improve our scouting department but, for this window, signing players based on tips and reputation alone could be disastrous.
58 Posted 22/08/2020 at 09:04:12
I'd love the guy to sign but if we pay over the odds it'll make every bad game stand out – the amount of players we already have like this have been part of the problem.
59 Posted 22/08/2020 at 09:50:41
I'd rather we focussed on youth but occasionally signing high quality older players is fine provided (like Barry for example) they have the motivation and gas in the tank. Ancelotti will be a good judge of Allan's motivation. He is more all action than Fernandinho though so probably can't go on till his mid thirties in the same way. But till age 32 or 33 should be okay.
The problem we have with signings of this nature is shifting them and their huge wages out if they fail or wane. It ends up being a barrier to building a good side. We can't make a habit of it but the odd strategic signing like this will improve us.
60 Posted 22/08/2020 at 11:11:25
Wages would not be a problem as, when the 2 years are up, they can negotiate based on their performances on the pitch and not be given fortunes in wages that have not been earned.
61 Posted 22/08/2020 at 11:30:10
62 Posted 22/08/2020 at 11:43:29
63 Posted 22/08/2020 at 12:07:53
64 Posted 22/08/2020 at 12:21:18
65 Posted 22/08/2020 at 12:39:35
Players like Richarlison need to be locked down to 5-year contract with nothing less that 2-years on them. Sure, it's different for the over-27s.
66 Posted 22/08/2020 at 12:48:36
67 Posted 23/08/2020 at 22:54:19
68 Posted 24/08/2020 at 19:50:32
Is he stuck in traffic?
69 Posted 24/08/2020 at 20:06:15
70 Posted 24/08/2020 at 21:15:34
71 Posted 24/08/2020 at 21:16:14
72 Posted 24/08/2020 at 21:26:36
Tapes ???? haha
73 Posted 24/08/2020 at 21:41:46
74 Posted 24/08/2020 at 21:54:02
75 Posted 24/08/2020 at 22:19:17
76 Posted 24/08/2020 at 22:29:51
If you get excited and start frothing at the mouth when you read this baseless nonsense, have a good look at yourself.
We don't know what's going on behind the scenes. Wait till they're wearing the shirt. Much better for your blood pressure and sanity.
77 Posted 24/08/2020 at 22:50:30
I could pick you a team of over-30s that would walk the Premier League, no problem.
78 Posted 24/08/2020 at 22:53:09
One of the strangest phrases I have seen today regarding the Allan transfer is that Carlo and Napoli have had a metaphorical handshake to agree the deal! WTF is a metaphorical handshake?
79 Posted 24/08/2020 at 22:56:18
Joking aside, I hope we get him. In fact, I hope we get anyone who can improve our nonexistent midfield.
80 Posted 24/08/2020 at 23:08:08
Hopefully this Allan deal will be done and dusted tomorrow. It's getting boring. When does the window shut again?
81 Posted 24/08/2020 at 23:10:52
82 Posted 24/08/2020 at 23:14:14
There's an old saying, "buyer beware", and this could be another case considering the age and the money involved.
Everton are crying out for more speed but I would say at 29 you ain't got the speed of a 20-year-old. Walcott is quick but nothing like he was when he signed for the Gooners.
Last season, for the most part, Everton looked like a team of pedestrians even against the relegated teams.
Doesn't appear anything in that department is going to change as yet.
83 Posted 24/08/2020 at 23:20:11
84 Posted 24/08/2020 at 23:30:22
Realistically though he was never going to fit in at Everton, a player with youth and pace, geriatric statues seem to be the order of the day at our club. Lose Richarlison next and things really are not looking great.
85 Posted 25/08/2020 at 03:40:47
The story is Kean will play for the Juve B team... seriously? £28 million for him to play at the level Bobby Duncan is too good for? Has to be BS? Right??
86 Posted 25/08/2020 at 03:43:24
87 Posted 25/08/2020 at 05:16:17
Makes little sense whichever way you look at it unless his Mum has told him his tea's ready.
88 Posted 25/08/2020 at 05:52:22
89 Posted 25/08/2020 at 06:42:37
90 Posted 25/08/2020 at 07:25:16
91 Posted 25/08/2020 at 07:44:05
I have been thinking for a while that Carlo will want more experienced guile up front. Moise needs more game time and experience, if he is not going to get that with us, he needs to get it somewhere.
I am not convinced that the Juve B team is the right place. It is like a baby being insert back into the womb because the outside world is a bit tough. He needs to go somewhere to grow and fight for everything. It's the only way he will improve.
I think Carlo will have an older, experienced, proven striker in mind to bring in. God knows who, but there are a few confident, old, goalscoring knights-errant out there. Carlo will have the mobile phone numbers of half-a-dozen of them. Think Giroud, Dezko, Cavani, Higuain, etc, etc. Who knows he may even bring in Ibrahimovic for a season.
Or maybe a total surprise, game-changing signing like Milik. With our current mid-table and out-of-Europe status, this route is much harder.
92 Posted 25/08/2020 at 08:33:30
I also suspect the board firmly believed we have good players and just needed a decent manager to make it work which in itself is terrifying. Unless we break FFP, I don't see how we can buy without sales and, let's be honest, most made themselves unsaleable with those last 9 games.
Unfortunately, the Koeman mess has set us back 5 years and I fear we are pretty much working with what we have for the next year, maybe two. If that's how it is, then people won't like it but will accept it if the transparency is there – it's the hope that kills you.
The other alternative is selling Richarlison for a massive fee. If we do manage to get two midfielders in by hook or crook, it will be a real positive shot in the arm. The rest would be loans or waiting till next year.
I just hope Carlo and the board are on the same page on timescale as this looks like being a long painful haul and I think we have to get used to that idea, as unpalatable as it is. Forget league position next year, I just want to see some building blocks in terms of the basics - fight, passion, determination and some ethic foundations to build on.
93 Posted 25/08/2020 at 15:59:52
Apparently we are a few million off between Allan and Doucouré.
There's a £2M Merit difference for each place in the Premier League, so 12th = £17M and 7th = £27M. If Ancelotti believes that these two can get us challenging for 7th and just maybe, we can offload one of the senior players, it's a no-brainer.
94 Posted 25/08/2020 at 16:51:18
From my point of view, I would like to see the lad given a real chance, or certainly, more game time if Calvert-Lewin performs as he did in the latter part of last season.
I just get the impression that Brands is trying to save relative pennies on the wage bill by reducing numbers where he can yet is failing miserably to offload the real big earners that are underperforming at our club, some of whom he bought in the first place!
95 Posted 25/08/2020 at 17:15:03
96 Posted 25/08/2020 at 17:45:07
97 Posted 25/08/2020 at 17:52:28
98 Posted 25/08/2020 at 17:55:12
Echo also saying don't expect business until late September. We either have to sell to buy or we're making the exact same mistakes as every window prior.
99 Posted 25/08/2020 at 18:31:56
100 Posted 25/08/2020 at 18:32:46
101 Posted 25/08/2020 at 18:52:32
Cash will be king this window, and bargains will be found near the end.
102 Posted 25/08/2020 at 19:01:39
I heard via the Italian press, who are just as bad but more in the know, that the Allan deal is agreed but both clubs have agreed not to announce it until September 1st. If that is true, I don't know the significance of it... perhaps Paul the Esk might know a reason?
103 Posted 25/08/2020 at 20:19:15
104 Posted 25/08/2020 at 20:28:30
Also hopefully he's in training with Napoli, and staying in condition to hit the ground running and with a few other signings and sensible loans, will spear head this season for EFC.
Well let's hope so, and as Rob, alludes, Messi, will decide to join EFC!
Let's see how far the negotiations are going for other players.
Well we live in hope eternal.
105 Posted 25/08/2020 at 20:30:16
Pfffft, he's too old.
106 Posted 25/08/2020 at 20:38:14
Plus he wouldn't be able to adjust to the Premier League because he doesn't speak much English.
107 Posted 25/08/2020 at 20:42:50
108 Posted 25/08/2020 at 21:01:54
It became common knowledge that Ancelotti wanted Allan, from then on we were screwed. Same with Doucouré, we are going to have to wait and wait and wait for a decision and hope Watfords desire to get rid stops the being greedy. The purchase of these elderly players will test the patience of all concerned.
The quality of the youth and the ability of them to freshen up the first team will be critical for many years to come.
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