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Rodriguez speculation ramps back up

| Wednesday, 26 August 2020 240comments  |  Jump to last
Everton are said to be in talks with Real Madrid over a deal to sign Colombian star James Rodriguez, with The Telegraph and Sky Sports indicating that negotiations are progressing well.

Rodriguez played for Carlo Ancelotti at both Real and Bayern Munich where he spent two seasons on loan and is reported by Sky to be keen on a three-year stint at Goodison Park.

According to the reports from Jason Burt (Telegraph) and Alan Myers (Sky), the Blues have made a bid for Rodriguez, are in negotiations (MailSport, meanwhile, claim that the 29-year-old was offered to Everton) and that "a deal could be close". This comes on the heels of an initial claim earlier in the day from TalkSport that the Toffees had made an approach to sign Rodriguez, initially on loan and then permanently next year.

The Cúcuta-born attacking midfielder has one year remaining on his contract at the Bernabeu and with Madrid looking to lighten up their wage bill, he could be available for a cut-price fee (although Marca say it could be as high as €25m).

Due to injury and competition for places, James played just 14 games in all competitions last season while he turned out 28 times for Bayern the season before.

Update The Colombian edition of Marca (via Sport Witness) claims that James has agreed to lower his wages in order to smooth a transfer to Everton.

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James Newcombe
1 Posted 26/08/2020 at 06:37:17
Someone on Twitter posted that he’d started fewer games than Delph in the last two seasons. Not sure we’ve got the wage budget to be signing sicknotes, no matter how good they are!
Lester Yip
2 Posted 26/08/2020 at 06:50:04
Exactly the kind of signing we should avoid. We need a Gana type of player who can do the work, week-in & week-out. Not a crafty magician who switches on and off based on his mood.
Derek Knox
3 Posted 26/08/2020 at 06:54:12
A very talented player, no doubt, and, if he can be a regular, along with Allan and possibly Doucouré, would transform us in midfield. Just that injury record worries me a tad.

At long last, we are realistically being associated with quality players, such is the charisma of Carlo, whether it will all materialise is another matter.

Vijay Nair
4 Posted 26/08/2020 at 06:59:21
Lester, we need a left-footed attacker who can play on the right. James is left-footed, and can play right, left and centre.

Nobody is saying we do not need a midfield dynamo like Gana but, at the same time, we shouldn't stop looking to improve other positions. Unless you're happy with Walcott being our one and only option in that area...

Jim Jennings
5 Posted 26/08/2020 at 07:10:56
At least he will have Mina for company on the treatment table to help him settle in. Anyone who thinks we would be getting the player who lit up the World Cup in 2014 is deluded.

Reports of us going after Rodriguez and Allan have all the hallmarks of short-term thinking to keep Ancelotti appeased.

Colin Glassar
6 Posted 26/08/2020 at 07:23:57
All these exciting rumours to keep us distracted from our continuing failure in the transfer market?
Alan McGuffog
7 Posted 26/08/2020 at 07:26:13
Rodriguez rumoured eh. How many midfielders do Spurs need?
Tony Everan
8 Posted 26/08/2020 at 07:59:39
Talented yes, but can he be fully motivated and committed to Everton? Or will he think he is big time and doing us a favour being here?

As other have said, he has been prone to injuries, knee ligaments, abductor problems, calf injuries – all in the last two years. Will the even tougher Premier League be too much for him? It's unlikely we will get 30+ games a season out of him.

Real want him off the wage bill, we have to be very wary signing players on massive wages that can cripple our club for many years, stifling progress.

I would rather us be going after some younger thrusting talent on the upward curve. Solid investment in the future of the club.

This Everton team needs energy and life brought into it. We have become a stagnant pond; we need to be a fast-flowing river again, surging incessantly towards the ocean of success. It needs young quality players: Brooks, Buendia, Aarons, Sangare, Santamaria, Sarr etc, especially so in midfield, to compliment the experienced quality of Allan.

Signing very talented but injury-prone players on the downside curve on massive wages is not the policy we should be taking. I don't think it is progressive or beneficial to the club long-term and it could lead us to ruin.

The only way we should be signing Rodriguez is if hey can take one of our players – Bernard? Sigurdsson? – as part of a swap deal or a loan for a year with them taking one of ours. Then any risks would be mitigated and he would make a very interesting signing without any downside.

Sam Hoare
9 Posted 26/08/2020 at 08:14:01
If this happens I very much hope it's a loan. Buying injury-prone 30-year-olds on enormous wages is not a sensible tactic to secure the long term future.

James for me is a more expensive (And more talented) version of Sigurdsson, technically impressive, great football brain and great set-pieces but incredibly slow and reliant on the right movement and players around him. Not sure the pace and energy of the Premier League would suit his game.

Sam Bowen
10 Posted 26/08/2020 at 08:22:33
Completely agree with you, Sam (as usual). Very slow and, like you say, relies on movement around him which we really don't have.

He's a lovely footballer, of that there is no doubt, but I'd much prefer a fast, direct, young powerful winger to be brought in. Maybe if we were able to do this and get James on a loan, then it would make a lot more sense.

Steve Shave
11 Posted 26/08/2020 at 08:24:02
Tony Everan 8 totally agree, bud.

Yes, we are shite and in many ways people will think we should be grateful to have a player of this calibre in our side. However, he is not what we need! Wrong age (especially if we manage to get Allan over the line as well) injury prone and on the decline.

Unless we are being bankrolled by Usmanov this summer and Sigurdsson has a buyer this makes no sense at all to me. I'm not sure Vijay is correct in saying James can solve our right-midfield problem, isn't he more of a no 10?

Don't get me wrong, seeing him pull on an Everton shirt would excite but this is part of the problem: we need to be making a TEAM. It is incredibly difficult to buy ready-mades and make it work.

Like Tony said, we need to be looking at the young, hungry players on the rise who fit exactly into the system we are trying to play.

I honestly don't know what is going on at Everton, it looks like we haven't a clue as per usual but, if there is any truth in the rumours we are after James, Doucouré and Allan, then I sincerely hope we have buyers lined up for Sigurdsson, Delph, Besic and Bolasie.

Jim Harrison
12 Posted 26/08/2020 at 08:25:42
A player capable of the sublime. Someone who can change games. He has spent the past few years at Real and Bayern. This ain't no Sigurdsson who did well at Swansea...

If he was the only signing, then it would be a mistake. But, if we signed James, Allan and Doucouré with no-one else, I would be happy. Add Gomes and that's an exciting midfield with Gbamin being afforded time to recover.

Yes, it's a bit short term with a few players, but it's no good continually bringing in prospects that sod off as soon as they get any good! We need an injection of quality to make some short-term progress that allows the development of some younger players and brings in potential for the future.

Man City did that first time round. Big jump in performance and raised the profile of the whole club. Pep would never have gone there at the time Mancini got the job. He went once it was clear there was a quality squad that could be improved further and a club with a profile befitting his status.

Can we afford to be shopping at this level? Answer is probably only if there is instant success.

Does buying superstar players always bring you success? Di Maria didn't work out at Man Utd, Ozil burnt bright and burnt quickly, Chelsea have had Torres, Higuan, the Colombian lad, Shevchenko To name but a few flops. So it's no guarantee but, Leicester aside, no team has won the Premier League in recent years without top level players.

If not James, someone who has a bit of magic needs to come in. Someone who makes a difference to games.

Steve Shave
13 Posted 26/08/2020 at 08:28:00
Sam 9, surely it won't be a loan, isn't he on his last year of his contract? Won't we have to smash the wage structure to get him in?

I bloody hope Carlo and Marcel have a plan, it doesn't look like it but what do I know. Agree with you though, he is an upgrade on Sigurdsson but not a dissimilar player, makes no sense to have both.

I have been a huge critic of Sigurdsson this season but he could do a job next season coming off the bench if we can't shift him.

Robert Tressell
14 Posted 26/08/2020 at 08:28:05
I'll start by saying I can see this happening. Doubt it's a good thing though.

If we had a very dynamic, youthful, athletic side, then James might be the icing on the cake – a bit of true class to take it up a notch. However, we don't.

A loan might make some sense if the dynamic players are also on their way. Hopefully they are, whether or not James joins too.

Martin Berry
15 Posted 26/08/2020 at 08:32:12
Doucouré's and (I suspect) Allan's style of play will be ideally suited to the rigors of the Premier League. For some, moving from another league who aren't suited, then it comes as a massive shock.

I am not sure Rodriguez is that type of player who is physically capable to hack it every week. That said, he is undoubtedly talented and could be a fantastic acquisition.

It is exciting to see who exactly we do bring in and how they will be played.

Steve Shave
16 Posted 26/08/2020 at 08:33:56
If we get Arias too, then we will have a real Columbian contingent. Cheeky bid for Morelos? And while you are at it, get that centre-midfielder in from Zenit... I've forgotten his name but I like the look of him, nasty and energetic! :)
Fran Mitchell
17 Posted 26/08/2020 at 08:44:40
The guy is (or was) absolutely brilliant, a level above anything we've seen at our club for a long long time.

Now, his injury record is dismal; however, how much of his little game time is due to simply not playing rather than being injured I can't say.

If, IF, he is fit, to have him rotating with Gordon on the left of attack would be an exciting prospect. On loan, with the option for a permanent move with a reasonable fee.

But let's see at the moment, the prospect of a new tea lady seems to be the best we can hope for.

Andrew Ellams
18 Posted 26/08/2020 at 08:51:22
Steve Shave, a loan wouldn't be impossible. It's a way of Real getting him off the wage bill until his contract runs out if they can't sell.

SSN are talking about a 3-year deal though.

Paul Ellam
19 Posted 26/08/2020 at 08:51:38
Great player no doubt but on the whole (and it pains me to write this) we need scrappers not fancy fellas.

He strikes me as the type of player who is awesome when we're a couple of goals up and he's showcasing his skills etc... but is he gonna "roll his sleeves up" when we're a couple of goals down and try drag us back into the game? I'm not convinced.

I would rather we went after hungry players, those who want to show their worth, who maybe feel like they have something to prove. Up and comers as it were. 'm thinking players like Benrahma, Bailey, Bouanga, Boga, Lozano.

Wages would be lower and they have age on their side too so re-sell value if needed.

Mike Price
20 Posted 26/08/2020 at 09:05:07
This is the type that Ancelotti would go for. It's ‘glamour' short term appointments that are doomed to fail, just like the manager. We've become a soft touch for has-beens, the injury-prone and the not-quite-good-enoughs.

We needed a Dyche or a Wilder to clear out the rubbish, make us fitter, motivated and to invest wisely in the transfer market. It may happen after the current disastrous dealings have cost the club more tens of millions.

Alan Johnson
21 Posted 26/08/2020 at 09:17:33
Carlo knows this present team is so bad, we need to bring in experienced players who are at the top of their game and hit the ground running. Brands wiil be aware of this and buys into this immediate fix. The young prospects will come later and will benefit from these players experience.

The impact of these type of signings would send a clear message to the fans that we are at last on the way to having a decent team with the right mentality.

Geoff Lambert
22 Posted 26/08/2020 at 09:24:45
The guy is way above anything we have at the moment, he can pick a pass, has composure in front of goal, loads of assists at the top level of European football. If we get Allan and Doucouré in as well, I expect us to move closer to the top 6 this season.
John Hammond
23 Posted 26/08/2020 at 09:30:35
He's on £200k a week so, if we're buying him, then he would surely have to take a massive paycut. A loan would make more sense but Real may want to cash in as he's in his final year of his contract.

Although he can play left and right he's more of a No 10, attacking mid or centre mid. He's far too slow to play out wide unless Ancelotti is changing the formation to 3 in the middle. I can't see him breaking up Richarlison and aalvert-Lewin up front so maybe a 3-5-2?

James Marshall
24 Posted 26/08/2020 at 09:39:29
Since 2013, James Rodriguez has had a direct hand in 106 goals in 162 games in Europe's top five leagues. He's averaged a goal or an assist every 102 minutes in that time.

He's class, and a big name – we're a small outfit in modern football terms with zero European pedigree so he'd be a shot in the arm for the club in terms of exposure and allure, in my view (which counts for nothing on here and will no doubt be shot to a million pieces any second now).

Yes, he's been injured a fair bit, and he's 29. I don't care.

Nathan Jones
25 Posted 26/08/2020 at 09:48:22
Hmmmm... Mike (20), did you just suggest replacing Carlo Ancelotti with Shaun Dyche or Chris Wilder???

I'm a bit ambivalent about this one. On the one hand, it sounds great, a 4-2-3-1 / 4-3-3 with a half-working midfield 2 of Allan and Doucouré with James just ahead.

On the other hand, it smells like Newcastle of yesteryear.

Declan Campbell
26 Posted 26/08/2020 at 09:49:46
Tony Everan, do you honestly think Real Madrid would take Bernard or Sigurdsson, or any Everton player as part of a swap deal???
Anthony Murphy
27 Posted 26/08/2020 at 09:52:26
I don't really care too much about age or previous experience at top clubs -– or even what they earn. What matters to me is that whoever plays for Everton gives their all and is hungry for success with us.

Other teams will spend a lot less than us but will ensure such qualities are a pre requisite. Those ‘lesser' teams will continue to progress by having players with desire and the right attitude – we need this above all else.

Mal van Schaick
28 Posted 26/08/2020 at 09:55:01
Given the owner's ambitions and assurances given to Ancelotti, Brands will have to earn his salary in this window.

Take Rodriguez on loan given his injury record. Doucouré and Allan will give us options, but please have a clear out of last seasons midfield players, I cannot watch Delph, Sigurdsson, Iwobi etc failing next season.

Matt Muzi
29 Posted 26/08/2020 at 09:57:05
I'm hoping this is a load of paper rubbish...
Tony Everan
30 Posted 26/08/2020 at 10:07:05
Declan 25,

It is highly unlikely!, I am trying to highlight that that signing Rodriguez whilst we still have misfit players on massive wages is not a good strategy. We need to offload some of them somehow as part of deals or elsewhere before we start making more huge additions to the wage bill.

If we can send Bernard out on loan for a year somewhere and get Rodriguez in on loan, then it makes more sense.

Si Pulford
31 Posted 26/08/2020 at 10:07:32
How old is Ronaldo? How about Messi, or Ibra?

But let's not look at that. Let's get a young English player in for £35M from a relegated team because he's hungry.


Len Hawkins
32 Posted 26/08/2020 at 10:08:17
Declan #25

Going back to the '60s I used to watch both Everton and my home town club Southport unless both were at home.

I remember going to Chester to watch a midweek Chester v Southport game there was bloke dressed in top hat and tails who came on at half time and just ran around the Sealand Road pitch in some sort of haphazard fit.

Perhaps Bernard or Sigurdsson could do the same for Real? I'm sure the Madrid faithful would be enthralled by this comedy caper. If there are any Chester posters on here, perhaps you could confirm this extravaganza of half time entertainment.

Tony McNulty
33 Posted 26/08/2020 at 10:10:12
Not sure on this one, although a fit James Rodriguez would certainly improve things. If he comes, I hope this guy won't prove to be a busted flush.

Injuries are always a worry, although (and I know any of us can find facts to fit our arguments) Andy Gray was one of the most injury-ravaged and yet shrewdest purchases we ever made.

Steve Ferns
34 Posted 26/08/2020 at 10:17:07
It seems we have a general consensus that he's a great player on his day, but prone to injuries. We also seem to agree that we can afford him. I'd go along with that.

But let's ask ourselves this: if we can afford him, and we're Moshiri, do we sanction Ancelotti signing James Rodriguez for the third time, if he really, really wants him?

Surely, the great Carlo Ancelotti isn't daft. He'll know what we know and more. He'll also know signing him would dramatically reduce his spending on other players.

So, if Carlo really wants him, would you really say no?

Simon Jones
35 Posted 26/08/2020 at 10:20:03
Name and reputation aside, yet another older midfielder who'll be on massive wages with his iffy injury record.

Isn't there a definition of madness along the lines of "repeating the same process while expecting a different outcome?"

Joe McMahon
36 Posted 26/08/2020 at 10:20:40
I would have thought any player with a bad injury record would not be considered, given our horrendous record of injured players over the years.

But Hey – what do I know??

Dave Abrahams
37 Posted 26/08/2020 at 10:24:21
Rodriguez? Joking? Unless he comes on loan on a pay-as-you-play deal.

Brands has got a job and a half trying to get slow, half-fit players off the books as it is, without adding more problems to the list he already has, and he is getting bollocked daily by fans on here for failing at that nearly impossible task.

David Pearl
38 Posted 26/08/2020 at 10:24:41
If fit we would be getting a top player in his prime. What's not to like?

I've had enough of failures like Iwobi and Kean... l want someone to come in and hit the ground running. Let's aim high this season and not in 2 or 3 more.

If we sign all 3 then at least we should be able to kiss 4-4-2 goodbye. It will be either 4-2-3-1, 4-3-3 or a 4-4-2 diamond. We won't be getting overrun in midfield and might be able to control the game for a change.

Get him in, Carlo, and send Brands on a coffee run while you do his job for him.

Andrew Clare
39 Posted 26/08/2020 at 10:38:30
Doucouré and Allan if signed will make a massive difference to our midfield. Rodriguez I am not so sure about. I actually think that Gomes and Sigurdsson would thrive with Doucoure and Allan in the team.

It would be great to get a creative midfielder as well because then our team would be transformed. There is no doubt in my mind that a poor midfield is the reason we struggled last season. The forwards had no service and the defence had no protection.

I just hope that Allan and Doucoure arrive. Not sure about Rodriguez though.

Si Pulford
40 Posted 26/08/2020 at 10:42:31
David Pearl, thank you! A bit of positivity. So far, we've had Dyche as a better option than Ancelotti, Sigurdsson swap deal to Real and a general consensus that we shouldn't sign world class players that are ready to go and could fit in to the side and make a difference straight away.

You're dead right. This guy is streets ahead of any player we have on the books.

And as for injuries, it's always a gamble. How did Gbamin work out. Or Iwobi, he's young and never injured.

Also no-one is mentioning that this may be signing that attracts other world class players? Our Robinho moment!!!

Si Pulford
41 Posted 26/08/2020 at 10:51:00
We paid £28M for Kean, £45M for Sigurdsson and around £30M for Iwobi.... Let that sink in.

Now tell me again why we shouldn't sign Rodriguez from Real Madrid potentially on a free?

Neil Wood
42 Posted 26/08/2020 at 10:51:15
David Pearl – correct. How people can see this as a negative is absolutely beyond me.

People are always bleating on about the likes of Grealish etc who, granted, is a quality player but would be £60 million. Yet we can have this man potentially on a free and people are unsure, reluctant etc...

Watch and then come back to me and tell me you don't want this:

Craig Walker
43 Posted 26/08/2020 at 10:54:27
Like a lot of players we look at, he was a great player in his day but seems to be on the decline. It looks risky to me to take a player with a questionable injury record and thrust him into the physicality of the Premier League.

Having said that, a half-fit Rodriguez would be better than a fully-fit Tom Davies and might make a statement-of-intent for other players to join.

I listened to one of the Esk's excellent podcasts the other week and the contributors all said that, if Everton pursued a Wilfred Zaha type "luxury" player, then the club will have learned nothing from its previous transfer mistakes. Would Rodriguez fit into that category? I personally think we have much higher priorities. I'd like to see genuine winners recruited, even if they currently play for unfashionable clubs.

We finished outside the top half of the league last season. We don't have much of a case for suggesting 'top 6' finishes. Last season was dreadful and we need to start putting foundations in place for a proper restructuring of the team.

Andrew Ellams
44 Posted 26/08/2020 at 11:03:52
There's more caution than negativity with this one.

On one hand, he's an outstanding footballer with experience at the very top. On the other hand, his recent injury record isn't great.

He's an attacking player without much pace which can be a genuine issue in the Premier League (his vision and passing could counter this though) and he does earn way more than anybody else at Everton.

James Marshall
45 Posted 26/08/2020 at 11:07:01
Too old, too young, too this, too that.

He's a big name, potentially coming to a small club (yes, Everton are a small club in modern terms with zero European pedigree and zero success for years & years = not considered a big/important team) which is good exposure for us, gets us noticed and potentially helps attract better players.

I'm sick of signing players from lower leagues, or relegated teams – it's boring as pish supporting Everton these days - we're shite, a mid-table nothing team who are dogs-arse-dull to watch so I'm all for bringing in 'named' players, regardless of age, height, weight, shoe size, sell-on value etc etc.

James Rodriguez is a class act – the majority of our midfield are shite. This has been borne out by the dross we watch every week. James, Gomes, Allan sounds good to me.

Doucouré? Relegated and considered overrated by a lot of Watford fans thrills me less.

Peter Roberts
46 Posted 26/08/2020 at 11:10:30
Not being funny but maybe a bit of short-term thinking is precisely what we need. If we finish 6th or 7th next season because the likes of Rodriguez and Allan make the difference and turn our draws into wins, and our losses into draws, then the fees will be recouped.

It is clear this team needs an investment – now as well as for the future.

Si Pulford
47 Posted 26/08/2020 at 11:15:10

I'd describe James Rodriguez as a ‘winner' personally.

John Kavanagh
48 Posted 26/08/2020 at 11:18:47
I'm hoping Fulham move in and steal him from us. We must already have the highest medical bills in Europe as it is.
Bill Watson
49 Posted 26/08/2020 at 11:25:17
Insiders at Finch Farm reliably inform me the club was offered Messi on a free but turned it down as he's the wrong side of 30.
Andrew Clare
50 Posted 26/08/2020 at 11:26:29
Neil #41,

If he is still playing as well as he is in those clips, then it's a no-brainer.

Stephen Vincent
51 Posted 26/08/2020 at 11:29:05
While we are negotiating with Napoli for Allan and Maksimovich and Koulibaly and Osimhen and Milik and Insigne, perhaps we should get Ospina as well. After all he is James's brother-in-law and would help him settle in and we do need a goalkeeper.

All bollocks. When he is waving a blue shirt. blah, blah, blah.

Robert Tressell
52 Posted 26/08/2020 at 11:40:41
Steve @ 33. If we buy on a free, it will still tie up a lot of dosh in wages. Preferable to loan first I guess as there's a high risk it does not work out.

The inability to shift failed / waning signings with high wages is largely what's left us in such a pickle.

I'd rather have Odegaard for £40M than Rodriguez for free. But it's not my choice!

As you say, Ancelloti knows this guy and will be a better judge than anyone of us. Same with Allan.

But is this a bit like the luxury version of Harry Redknapp repeatedly buying Nico Krancjar?

Who knows. We may end up with Coutinho and Rodriguez in the playmaker roles in a double 6 – and Allan and Gomes in the centre. If so, I hope Allan is ready to do some running...

Declan Campbell
53 Posted 26/08/2020 at 11:44:12
Si Pulford, spot on every post there. This "anyone over 27 is old" stuff on here, is beyond farcical. Also, as you say, the "we need hungry players from relegated clubs" stuff – ridiculous.

Someone said on here a while ago, they'd rather Everton sign Ryan Fraser than Coutinho, get your head around that one.

Si Pulford
54 Posted 26/08/2020 at 11:47:30

I agree with you; however, we may not need to shift Rodriguez? There's a big difference between having Niasse, Schneiderlin, and Bolasie on high wages. We can't shift them because they're on high wages – and they're not good enough.

Rodriguez is a different kettle of fish. At the end of a 3-year contract, he'd be 32. And if he plays to even half of his ability, we won't want to shift him.

Outside of Richarlison and Calvert-Lewin, we had no creativity. If he changes a couple of draws to wins, we are challenging for Europe. Add Allan (another old-timer!) protecting the defence and it's not that much of a leap of imagination to say we could be in the European mix.

James Newcombe
55 Posted 26/08/2020 at 11:51:38
I'm not sure why people keep punting the fabled pay-as-you-play deal. It sounds great in theory, but there can't be many actual examples of it?

If Carlo wants him then fair enough. But we're understandably wary of signing older/big names on big wages. We'd probably get one or two enthusiastic early performances, then that's it – à la Eto'o, or Jesé Rodriguez when he ended up at Stoke.

Robert Tressell
56 Posted 26/08/2020 at 12:01:11
On an unrelated note, just seen that Leeds have signed Rodrigo. That's an excellent signing for them – very high quality forward suddenly making them a more serious proposition.

Si, with James it depends on how many games he can play in 3 years. If it is hardly any, then we are robbing ourselves of the money we could spend on someone else.

I think the better investment is in quality youngsters (which has a track record of success) as opposed to aging superstars (which does not).

Steve Brown
57 Posted 26/08/2020 at 12:41:44
We already have several quality youngsters and need some experience and talented senior pros to complement them.

A midfield roster of Rodriguez, Allan, Doucouré, Gomes, Gbamin and Davies is a massive step forward from Gomes, Schneiderlin, Sigurdsson, Delph, Davies and Gbamin last season. It will transform the squad.

Rodriguez isn't a luxury player, he is a quality player. And if Ancelotti wants to sign him for the third time, he evidently rates his ability, thinks he will stay fit, and knows how he will fit into the team structure.

John Kavanagh
58 Posted 26/08/2020 at 12:52:11
If only we'd held on to Cuco Martina for a couple more months, we could have really tempted Koeman with a swap deal for Messi instead.
Nick Page
59 Posted 26/08/2020 at 12:53:18
Love to be wrong but this is a busted flush yet again, IMO.

What's the strategy? Where will he play? In what system? Will no doubt be on massive wages with little resale value and has a poor injury record.

It's just not Everton. We need young hungry players that fit into a system – ideally that's a couple of quick wingers, a centre-forward, a tough-tackling midfielder with a bit of quality around him, and a captain at centre-half – likely 4-4-2, nothing complicated, that has some fire in its belly and gets stuck in.

This is what gets Evertonians out of their seats. Not pissing around with it at the back and some No 10 ponce who won't tackle. Even Sheeds used to put a tackle in. I'm sick to death of it, to be honest... we're utterly clueless, leaderless and rudderless, and thus every year we claim to do great business in the Transfer Window which turns out to be shite.

And how come the likes of Wolves (Wolves FFS!) aren't having their entire team cherry-picked apart like we've had for the past however long? Is it because they have strong management that tells the vultures where to go?

We're just a club going through the motions until something happens, which I fear – without some step change in mentality – might actually be the drop.

Alex Fox
60 Posted 26/08/2020 at 13:13:20
I am seeing plenty of comments suggesting that 'short-term fixes' like Rodriguez, Allan, and Doucouré – signings for today, not tomorrow – are what's needed. You get the usual 'who cares? It's not your money' and rolled eyes when you question the sense in buying old players with no sell-on potential.

Here's why it matters:

Firstly because of FFP, but, more importantly, because signing ageing players with no sell-on value leads to exactly the type of dire situation we're seeing right now at Everton: a club stuck in limbo, struggling to spend money because the wage bill is clogged up by deadwood.

Allan, Rodriguez, and Doucouré would command (a conservative estimate) £300-400k a week between them in wages. They'd be next to impossible to shift, and a 32-year-old Allan sounds exactly the type of player we'd all be desperate to get rid of in a couple of years time. The effects of a poor purchase last years.

I know we hate to look over at the work of our neighbours, but sometimes it's a necessary evil. Because it wasn't so long ago that Liverpool were stagnating under-achievers, soft-touches in the transfer market, with a largely-mediocre squad held aloft by a couple of excellent individuals. (Sound familiar?) Today – painfully – they're the best team in the country. Apart from striking a deal with Satan himself, what can we learn from their dealings in the transfer market?

Well, here's their typical first eleven, with the age in which they were signed.

Alisson – 25
Robertson – 23
Van Dijk – 26
Gomez – 18
Alexander-Arnold – N/A
Fabinho – 24
Wijnaldum – 25
Oxlade-Chamberlain – 24
Mane – 24
Salah – 25
Firmino – 23

Not one player in their late twenties. They simply don't sign Allans or Doucourés. They sign players who are years off their peak.

Look at Manchester City, and – with the notable exception of Fernandinho – they do the same.

This is what Brands has been trying to do for the last couple of years, and it is vital that he doesn't turn his back on this strategy now. In fact, I would go further and suggest that Everton implement a transfer policy in which they have a strict cap (say £10M) on fees paid for anyone over the age of 27.

This is how we keep the books in order, avoid deadwood floating around Finch Farm, build a team for the future, and ensure we keep progressing both on and off the pitch.

Derek Knox
61 Posted 26/08/2020 at 13:15:37
Until he's been spotted in a chippy near Goodison or Finch Farm, it's only speculation... but hoping there is some credibility in the story!
Paul Corbett
62 Posted 26/08/2020 at 13:24:26
I think we need to forget about age, sell-on fee, and immediate success in the near future.

In my mind buying players such as Allan, Doucouré and Rodriguez bring us to the next level that get us to potential cup success or 5th/6th in the Premier League.

From there we build on buying youth that can propel us to the Champions League.

Comparing ourselves to the RS or any other team is pointless. We need to do what is best for us. If that means us bringing in Madrid, Barca or whoever cast-offs then so be it.

I'm not expecting Champions League in the next two years but I just want to start enjoying watching us again.

Otherwise, we are taking big risks on youth that may or may not get us to the same point.

Soren Moyer
63 Posted 26/08/2020 at 13:44:17
That's right, Everton. Get more of these slow and soon-to-be-30, overpaid players in! More money wasted.
Mark Murphy
64 Posted 26/08/2020 at 13:52:26
We need to forget, for now, what the shite sign. They are a Champions League team and world brand will be for the foreseeable.

We need to get there, the Champions League, before we can dream of competing in the same transfer market. If signing “wizened old heads” of 29 leads to that short-term then bring it on!

I wouldn't sign for the shite if I was promised eternal life and an hour with '80s version Debbie Harry but unfortunately the young ambitious stars with decent agents will always choose them over us!

Soren Moyer
65 Posted 26/08/2020 at 13:55:11
Mark, why not '70s Debbie Harry? lol
Joe McMahon
66 Posted 26/08/2020 at 13:56:01
I suppose certainly in top players, Big Sam brought Youri Djorkaeff to Bolton, and that was a success, and he was over 30 at the time.
Mike Price
67 Posted 26/08/2020 at 13:59:38
The Ancelotti love-in is predictable. He's been sacked a lot, although he has presided over wins with big teams where it's harder not to win than win, maybe he should go and manage Celtic to get his numbers up some more!

Horses for courses, we aren't winning the Premier League or Champions League any time soon and the top 4 looks a pipe dream. Carlo is here for the money, end of.

Dyche and Wilder are not sexy names but they are what this club needs at this moment in time. Aren't you sick of being the laughing stock of football and being taken to the cleaners by every mercenary out there?!

Joe McMahon
68 Posted 26/08/2020 at 13:59:49
Soren and Mark – or a '70s or '80s Kate Bush.
Rob Halligan
69 Posted 26/08/2020 at 14:05:31
Robert, #56,

Rodrigo is 30 years old next March, so clearly past his best and over the hill. I've also heard that he's only joined Leeds for one final big pay day. What exactly is a "final big pay day anyway"?

Thiago Silva must be laughing all the way to the bank. A class defender but 36 years old, so obviously no good for us. A player who allegedly Carlo was interested in, joining Chelsea for his final big pay day!!

Chris Hockenhull
70 Posted 26/08/2020 at 14:10:29
Thank god ToffeeWeb or social media were not around in the 60s to 80s era for everyone to not pit Catterick or Kendall's signings.

Imagine the outcry on here learning we were signing a goalie from Bury... a centre back from Tranmere...a bloke on the wing from Burnley... two old crocks who couldn't put two games together and were on the treatment table more than the pitch... two reserves who couldn't get in the Liverpool side... a bloke with bad attitude and a penchant for trouble off the pitch from Birmingham... and many more. Dear god, it doesn't bear thinking about.

Whilst those who play Football Manager games and watch YouTube excerpts who know about it all and believe every word in the tabloids who say the immortal line “Everton are linked...” and go into a frenzy.

It's the media who “Link” us not the club. I can't believe how people fall for media shite spreading this and that and go ballistic. Remember that fabulous days of “Catterick Swoops for (insert any name)” and that was the first we learnt of it. I prefer to live in that era in the present.

I never bother about it until a player departs or arrives and there's a whole lot we will never know about and why should we??

Nathan Ford
71 Posted 26/08/2020 at 14:14:01
A risky signing based on injury problems over the last couple of years but, when you have the chance to sign a player of this quality, can we turn it down?

His wages will probably be around what Schneiderlin and Niasse were earning between them and I know what I'd prefer. He's the kind of player that will have options to go to China or America in 3 years so won't be hard to offload in the future.

Ancelotti hasn't made a first-team signing yet; if this is his first player for the 1st XI, I'd be happy with that. Improving the 1st XI on the pitch this season is priority Number 1.

Tony Everan
72 Posted 26/08/2020 at 14:16:07
From an Italian newspaper

''Allan certainly thinks so too, with the newspaper explaining that he is sitting out of training so that he can arrive at Everton ‘in perfect condition and radiant'.

That's seen him only doing working in the gym and sitting out the other work, including matches, to avoid any unexpected issues or last-minute injuries.

Sounds like De Laurentis is wrapping him in cotton wool until the fat cheque is cashed.

Ultimately we have appointed Ancelotti and are paying him big money. It would be pointless if we didn't let him build his own team. It is becoming more obvious he wants players he knows and trusts that will fight for him personally as well as Everton. Even though there is big differences of opinion we have to back the manager and accept his decisions. After all he has forgotten more than most of us know about football, and what makes a great team.

Jay Wood

73 Posted 26/08/2020 at 14:17:35
The following (archived) article is an interesting read on many levels.

First, it details how Rodriguez was on David Moyes's radar TEN YEARS ago, way before he burst on the scene with Porto then at the 2014 Brazilian World Cup.

Second, it describes how messy it can be landing a South American player because of multiple ownership. Porto at this time were the absolute masters of picking up cheap rough diamonds, polishing them and selling them on for big bucks whilst remaining competitive on the domestic and European front.

Finally, it describes Moyes's 'Transfer Bunker' at Everton were no player and only a select few were allowed entry. Moyes's scouting and selection criteria is very clearly mapped out and, I might suggest, is not too far from what many Blues, I fancy, would consider a worthy blueprint to follow:

When Everton Nearly Signed the Teenager James Rodrigues

The author who gained access and insight into Moyes's Bunker and his thinking is Michael Calvin. It forms part of his book, an analysis of the world of football scouts “The Nowhere Men.”

Recommended in particular to Sam Hoare and Robert Tressell!

Patrick McFarlane
74 Posted 26/08/2020 at 14:26:36
Mike #67,

Carlo Ancelotti is currently the manager of Everton FC, therefore he deserves to be supported by the fans and backed by the board. Have you any concrete evidence that Everton FC is the laughing stock of football?

I pay to watch Everton provide the best team that it can recruit and, whilst I understand the calls to have a Dyche or Wilder, I can't see how they would help in our current situation, ie, being stuck with big earners who have ego's the size of houses, it isn't the 60s, 70s or 80s we can't just shunt players out of the club at the behest of the manager.

I suspect that this window is the last throw of the dice for Everton FC to make progress; if we spend substantial sums on transfers and wages and remain lower to bottom half in the league we'll be up the proverbial creek without a paddle, so all Evertonians had best hope that whatever happens in the next six months it isn't another grand failure.

Anyway, we have Duncan in reserve should everything go pear-shaped again.

Craig Walker
75 Posted 26/08/2020 at 14:28:37
I'm not against signing Rodriguez and I agree that he's a cut above what we have. Like most of us, though, I'm more wary now after thinking the likes of Klaassen and Sigurdsson would take us to the next level and that Delph, Kean and Iwobi were astute signings.
Robert Tressell
76 Posted 26/08/2020 at 14:28:38
Rob @69. Signing Rodrigo could very well be the difference between staying up and going down for Leeds.

Signing Allan, Doucoure and Rodriguez could be the difference between 10th and 8th for us. There are still 6 big sides ahead of us with markedly better squads. And Leicester.

Dave Williams
77 Posted 26/08/2020 at 14:30:47
It's a question of whose knowledge of the lad is more trustworthy- Carlo and Brands or ToffeeWeb posters?

For me, we have a number of good young players who will improve with some proven class around them. Rodriguez flanked by Allan and Doucouré would be an enormous improvement and could be just what the likes of Iwobi, Gordon and Kean need to bring them through.

I hope we get him.

John Pierce
78 Posted 26/08/2020 at 14:38:07
A lot of ‘why nots' on this thread yet we bought Gbamin at 23/24 and he's played a game and a half, and may never have proper career based on those sickening injuries.

He was as healthy as you could get; some of you may write it off as bad luck. If so you argue that then buying the exact opposite we are entitled to think he may stay injury-free and play 100 games for us.

He's a player we don't have in the squad other than Iwobi who dribbled at players and takes chances with shots and passes. However, if he's as badly used as Iwobi is, then I would expect anything from him.

Brian Harrison
79 Posted 26/08/2020 at 14:50:20
I can understand some being wary over signing Rodriguez, and I guess those same people if T/W had existed would have argued against the signings of both Peter Reid or Andy Gray who both had bad knee injury problems. Peter Reid told me himself he actually failed his medical at Everton but Howard insisted we sign him anyway. What Howard knew was if he could get these players fit and keep them fit then they would be great assets as they turned out to be.

i am sure Carlo having worked with Rodriguez at 2 clubs knows the player very well, and he knows his injury record better than most, so if he thinks its worth the risk then we need to back him.

Everybody who has watched us this season have come to the same conclusion that we need to strengthen midfield to have any chance of progressing. So to hear that we are after Allan, Doucouré and Rodriguez, 3 seasoned midfield players has to be a plus on the midfield that has just finished the season.

For those suggesting we should be looking at younger alternatives, well age should not be the main criteria, its what they can do now and for the next couple of seasons. I would remind everyone that Ancelotti has played Holgate, Davies, Gordon and Branthwaite so he isn't turning his back on our young players, unlike some world class managers have done. But if he with all his experience thinks he needs to bolster the squad with some older players then we should back him.

The biggest problem is moving the deadwood which will be almost impossible, most of the deadwood are on money only the top clubs pay, and none of our deadwood would even make the bench at the top clubs. So who is going to pay them what they are getting paid here? Answer: nobody. Some have got 2-, 3- or 4-year contracts so they won't go anywhere which means they take a pay cut, so that means they will only go where they want and we will still have to pay towards their salary even if they move clubs.

Jim Harrison
80 Posted 26/08/2020 at 14:53:01
"Young, hungry players' gets bandied around a fair bit.

Messi and Ronaldo, probably still the best two players in the world. Both over 33. Aubamyang at Arsenal is the best striker in the Premier League at present, he's 31 and if we had him at Everton we would have finished way higher just off the back of his quality alone.

Top 3 scorers last season? Ings youngest at 28 and in the top 10 most are 27 to 28. Not young and hungry but in their prime.

Our experience with young hungry players? They leave, looking for the best club they can get as early as they can. Stones, Lukaku, Barkley (reluctant to include), Rooney to name a few. The others that stayed around for a while rarely had the offers to move to a bigger club. Maybe Coleman and Baines, but whilst both are great club servants neither can really have been seriously courted by clubs willing to pay a reasonable fee to get them in their prime.

Buy better than you have, hope your youth team provide some decent players and move on the middling players. If you get the opportunity to sign real top quality do it.

Of course there are long term consequences to just splurging and having no long term plan, but to assemble a team of purely young, hungry players and hope that it all gels at the right time is generally wishful thinking.

Mike Price
81 Posted 26/08/2020 at 15:02:05
The difference between taking a gamble with Reid and Gray is that the money involved would not have dragged the club down for the next 5 years if it didn't work. Unlike Sigurdsson, Tosun, Niasse, Klaassen, Walcott, Iwobi, Mina and Delph, to name but a few and not to mention the pay-offs for Martinez, Koeman, Silva and Allardyce.

We're hamstrung with debt and liabilities that we couldn't give away.

Filipe Torres
82 Posted 26/08/2020 at 15:04:26
An upgrade on Sigurdsson, surely Sigurdsson would push for a move, being benched by him.

Age aside, Allan, Doucoure and Rodrigeuz would be a better midfield, with Arias on the right and a new centre-back, I think it's the best Marcel and Carlo can do for now.

Nick White
83 Posted 26/08/2020 at 15:05:46
Did I read that Sheedy put in a tackle?

Did I also read a suggestion to replace Ancelotti with Dyche or Wilder?

We need to back Carlo or he will be off. He is the guy who has won the trophies while we have done nothing for 25 years!

The only guy who will come in if we scare Carlo off is Eddie Howe...

Stephen Vincent
84 Posted 26/08/2020 at 15:08:37
Chris #70, spot on. Could not have put any better myself.

The name I would insert is Kendall. Went to bed with the Echo saying he'd signed for the shite. Woke up the following morning and the Post said he'd signed for us.

This tinterweb thingy is a real bugger.

Alex Gray
85 Posted 26/08/2020 at 15:18:06
Personally, I'm quite happy we're going for older players. This team has been crying out for some experience and Allan, Doucouré and James Rodriguez fit that bill. It's a risk but every transfer for us seems to be and we certainly can't attract better quality than the three linked.
Steve Shave
86 Posted 26/08/2020 at 15:42:18
Right, come on lads. Let's suppose all of this is true and if so it is exciting, although I've seen so many Everton false dawns in my time. Let's say we are close on Allan, Doucouré and James Rodriguez. What system will we play? What on earth are they thinking? Steve Ferns: Answers on a postcard please!
Brian Murphy
87 Posted 26/08/2020 at 16:01:53
I saw this earlier about James and thought that it was top numbers.

"Since moving to Monaco in 2013, James Rodriguez has had a direct hand in 106 goals in 162 games in Europe's top five leagues, He's averaged a goal or an assist every 102 minutes in that time."

Problem with that is how much of that time was he out injured? It's not a lot of games in 7 years.

Also, when you look at the guys we are reported to be signing is Brands strategy of buying young players that will have a resale value gone out the window? It seems we say we going down one route and then a few weeks later say ah well feck that, let's just throw money at the situation again and hope for the best. That strategy has worked real well over the last 3 years. The mind boggles.

Alex Gray
88 Posted 26/08/2020 at 16:03:05
Steve it sets us up pretty well in our current 4-4-2. James can play on the wing and Allan and Doucouré add a complete new skillset to our midfield.

It also gives us some scope to change formation and play with a Number 10 who can actually create. James actually wins 3 tackles per game if you look at his stats. His workrate is often overlooked.

Sam Hoare
89 Posted 26/08/2020 at 16:03:09
People talk like we've not gone for older players before. How did the likes of Rooney, Williams, Delph and the great Samuel Eto'o do? Not great; whilst some of them cost huge wages.

It depends hugely on the player and their physical conditioning, attributes and attitude. Distin and Barry for example were great players mainly because they were model professionals who kept themselves in phenomenal shape.

Hopefully Ancelloti should have a pretty good handle on Allan and Rodríguez. If they were both to come with Doucoré, I imagine a 4-3-3:

Coleman Holgate Mina Digne
Doucore Allan Gomes
Rodríguez Calvert-Lewin Richarlison

If all those players are fit and firing, then it's a pretty exciting prospect.

Jason Li
90 Posted 26/08/2020 at 16:16:48
Rodriguez plays well on right-midfield.

He doesn't need to run much as his control, touch, and clipped passes are world class. On the ball, his sprints over 5-10 yards are easily good enough in the Premier League to create the space for himself to find a pass to Calvert-Lewin or Richarlison.

Believe in Carlo to get us challenging around the top with the first team from this season onwards; believe in Brands to dig out some more youth signings to develop for the first team. That's the system now.

Jay Harris
91 Posted 26/08/2020 at 16:23:56
Alex #60,

You seem to have conveniently left out captain Henderson (30, older than Allan), Matip (30), Milner (34), Lovren (31) and Wijnaldum (30 in 2 months time).

Kids with potential is fine but if we are to get anywhere near the top we need experienced pros with confidence, ability and determination.

To buy players of a younger age with the ability of Allan, you are talking about £70 or 80 million.

Kristian Boyce
92 Posted 26/08/2020 at 16:26:26
Robert at #76, the same Rodrigo who got 4 in nearly 30 games last year, and 38 in 178 games total for Valencia? I don't think he's going to have much of an impact, especially at £27 million. Leeds paid that for a 29-year-old, and people are complaining about paying less for a far superior player.

One thing that hasn't been mentioned about Rodriguez is the huge marketing opportunity that we have with him. He is a massive superstar in Colombia as well as in the States with people of Colombian descent. Having lived in large Hispanic communities, you still constantly see Madrid & Colombian national shirts bearing his name on the back. Having him and Mina on our team would undoubtedly create big interest and potentially a lot of shirt sales.

Patrick McFarlane
93 Posted 26/08/2020 at 16:27:09
Some good news for those that watch Sky Sport's Saturday Scores programme hosted by Jeff Stelling. Charlie Nicholas, Matt Le Tissier and Phil Thompson have been dropped (sacked) in a revamp of the show - I wonder which three former Reds will replace them?
Steve Brown
94 Posted 26/08/2020 at 16:32:20
Patrick, surely Merson has gone as well?
Steve Brown
95 Posted 26/08/2020 at 16:35:55
Si @ 40, if Dyche had been hired instead of Carlo, we wouldn't have missed out on Jeff Hendricks!
Brent Stephens
96 Posted 26/08/2020 at 16:38:25

"I wonder which three former Reds will replace them?"

How about the mummified body of Bill Shankly, as one, like Jeremy Bentham at University College London. He'd make more sense than Phil bloody Thompson – and look more lively.

Rob Halligan
97 Posted 26/08/2020 at 16:50:26
John (Patrick), I'm guessing Carragher, John Barnes and Jamie Redknapp.
Mick Roberts
98 Posted 26/08/2020 at 16:55:09
What is it about Brands and Ancelloti that attracts them to injury-prone players?

Another costly sicknote? Please, please, please... No!!!

Jim Harrison
99 Posted 26/08/2020 at 17:07:52
Jimenez signed for Wolves, £34 million I think, 29-years-old. He has never been as productive in his career as in the past two seasons. He was basically a decent player most of his career but blossomed the past two seasons

In fact, I would go so far as to say his goal scoring and assist record is not significantly better than Sigurdsson's up until this season. And he's a striker.

Given the chance, would you have him at Everton? I would in a flash!

James Rodriguez has 10 less goals, 50 more assists, from a deeper position and has played for the last 5 years at Real Madrid and Bayern. That's no bad return from a sick note.

If a deal can be struck that doesn't include ridiculous wages and a reasonable fee, it's well worth it.

Justin Doone
100 Posted 26/08/2020 at 17:57:52
Loan fee upfront, pay % of salary as not to destroy our wage structure and we have a season to assess him.

Easy peasy, next Messi, same deal.

Steve Shave
101 Posted 26/08/2020 at 18:05:39
Sam 88 I really like the look of that side, apart from Coleman!

Contrary to some of the comments on here, I don't see James Rodriguez fitting into a 4-4-2 at all, much like Sigurdsson. I can only assume (like you, Sam) he wants to go with 4-3-3 and 4-2-3-1 this season.

Both systems could fit those players, the latter system would potentially see Gomes and Sigurdsson benched. One thing is for sure, this club does not need Sigurdsson and Rodriguez – sorry to say it again (I bore myself sometimes) but we must find a buyer for our Icelandic "playmaker" this summer.

Christy Ring
102 Posted 26/08/2020 at 18:10:27
I'd be delighted if we signed Allan, Doucouré and Rodriguez, who can play on the wing as well, and a massive upgrade on Sigurdsson, who'd know, his time is up, and if we could move him on, along with Delph, would be great business. I know Rodriguez is on big wages, but I reckon, Real would like to get him off their books, so I couldn't see a big fee, which would make his wages affordable.
Tony Everan
103 Posted 26/08/2020 at 18:22:18
Sam #88,

That 4-3-3 line up looks tasty. I have been wondering about the formation Carlo has in mind with the players we are targeting. I think he will want to change it up a bit more next season depending upon circumstances.

Also I have been thinking about whether he wants to, or can, offload Sigurdsson and where our record signing fits in if he's staying. A 4-2-3-1?

Arias Holgate Mina Digne
Doucouré Allan
Rodriguez Sigurdsson Richarlison

Sam Bowen
104 Posted 26/08/2020 at 18:57:56
Yep, that's the team, Sam. Find myself agreeing with all the time on here. That team on paper looks pretty tasty. I do think we'd need a new really fast energetic right back for it to be close to achieving anything of note though.

Max Aarons is still available isn't he?? Would be perfect. A new goalkeeper too. Obviously not happening but it would make this particular blue very excited about this season's prospects.

Patrick McFarlane
105 Posted 26/08/2020 at 19:27:46
If the Echo is to be taken seriously, the possiblity of James Rodriguez wearing an Everton shirt next season would seem to be remote.

According to their view, they seem to think that any arrivals at Goodison will have to wait until we have moved some players out – it would appear that only Doucouré and Allan are likely to arrive before the window closes, if the club manages to agree terms with the selling clubs.

Much ado about not a lot, I'm afraid.

Robert Tressell
106 Posted 26/08/2020 at 19:45:04
Well I've got my doubts about the wisdom but I'll kind of be delighted anyway if he signs. It's something to get excited about at least. Allan too, they don't lack quality.

As for the Red Echo, who do they expect us to offload? Besic, Bolasie, Ramirez and Walcott are all more likely to walk for free after loans (except for Walcott). Tosun is injured so probably with us till January. Mina and Keane are needed if we don't sign a center-half. That leaves possibly Bernard. Haven't heard any rumours of a Sigurdsson departure and he's a regular starter under Ancelotti. There's not much left to sell...

Bill Gienapp
107 Posted 26/08/2020 at 19:48:05
Totally understand people's reservations, and think they're valid.

One thing that I don't think is getting touched on enough is his relationship with Ancelotti, who got the best out of him at Real Madrid, and also had a productive spell with him at Bayern Munich. If he were to come, Ancelotti's presence makes me confident that he wouldn't just check out.

He also seems to have a bit of a chip on his shoulder over how he was phased out at Real Madrid, and may feel he has something to prove.

Bill Gienapp
108 Posted 26/08/2020 at 19:50:16
Robert (105) - I was really hoping that Delph-to-Leeds rumour had legs, but it seems to have petered out, sadly.
David Currie
109 Posted 26/08/2020 at 20:02:06
Get Sarr from Watford.
Soren Moyer
110 Posted 26/08/2020 at 20:08:28
Tony @ 72 Is it the same De Laurentis (Dino rip) who used to be a Hollywood producer and did the King Kong movie, lol?
Joe McMahon
111 Posted 26/08/2020 at 20:11:03
Craig @75, I still think Moise Kean will be fine. He's hardly had any minutes.
Sam Hoare
112 Posted 26/08/2020 at 20:34:08
Steve and Sam, yes I think much as I have loved watching him that Coleman is a weak link. And I'm not sure whether Kenny is capable of much better.

Aarons looks very decent but Norwich will not sell cheap and I doubt we can afford £20m+ if we buy Allan, Doucouré and Rodríguez.

I suspect that the only way we get a new right-back is if a good offer comes in for Kenny. If it did then Cash, Aarons, Maehle, Emerson, Montiel are right-backs I quite like.

Robert Tressell
113 Posted 26/08/2020 at 20:34:39
Bill - just like Delph's legs in fact.
Kristian Boyce
114 Posted 26/08/2020 at 22:21:40
Bill @108,

Can you imagine Delph trying to fit in with Bielsa's high-press system? He'd be out for the season after the first training session.

Justin Doone
115 Posted 26/08/2020 at 23:25:52
Leeds aren't daft. They would want a free and for him to quarter his wages or a pay-as-you-play deal, he's going nowhere.

If, a big 'if', he could stay fit for 4 months, he'd be an asset on the pitch or at least a better chance to offload him in January. The same could be said of Mina.

I also said the same thing about Darren Gibson for 6 years..

Tom Bowers
116 Posted 26/08/2020 at 23:54:42
Seems to be the same old procrastination regarding Everton's incoming transfers. Names bandied about and in advanced ''discussions'' etc. but meanwhile the new season will be upon us and the team to start will probably be the ones who finished last season so abyssmally.

Whilst Doucoure played well at times for Watford how good was he if Watford went down ? James Rodriguez is another highly thought of but not being able to be a regular starter much like Walcott at Arsenal when Everton signed him.
Just how much can we expect Carlo to get the best out of some of these players? Maybe Carlo himself doesn't have what it takes anymore.

Mike Gaynes
117 Posted 27/08/2020 at 02:05:17
Jay #73, and me.
Mike Gaynes
118 Posted 27/08/2020 at 03:47:10
Looks like Juventus will get the USA's Weston McKennie.

Turns out Pirlo was his boyhood hero, and when the legend came in for him, it was all over.

Ah, well.

Bill Gienapp
119 Posted 27/08/2020 at 05:40:51
Mike, that's at least easier to stomach than getting beaten by Southampton.
Alan J Thompson
120 Posted 27/08/2020 at 06:13:06
I haven't read all the above but, if it is true that he is in his last year of contract, has a record of regular injuries, and has been "offered" to Everton, then you'd have thought that a low upfront fee could be negotiated with add-ons according to appearances in a given time.

As for his £200k per week, it has only a year to run so a 4-year contract might appeal more. This, quite accurately, might just be a start.

Colin Glassar
121 Posted 27/08/2020 at 07:27:52
Rodriguez, Doucouré, Gomes and Allan – that's not bad to stiffen up our invisible midfield.
Tony Everan
122 Posted 27/08/2020 at 09:09:50
The 3 Musketeers; Allan, Doucouré, Rodriguez, have one thing in common.

They all want to come to Everton and all want to play for Carlo Ancelotti. When debating these players we have to factor in that they want to be here. It's their first choice based on all their current options. That is an excellent starting point and itself can lift the whole strength of purpose around the club.

Today, Doucouré has turndown Wolves and Fulham, he has told his agent and Watford he is excited about coming to Everton and playing under Ancelotti. Allan seems single-minded about his move here for the same reasons. Rodriguez needs a home to play his football, and he has chosen Ancelotti and us.

These players are mature, but we are getting our quality into the club happy and motivated. It's the best recipe for a successful outcome.

I wanted a younger demographic, and I am sure that will follow in due course. Quality young players will be active in wanting to come to Everton if these class professionals are performing for Ancelotti and the perception of the club is transformed.

The elephant in the room is relieving our wage bill and moving on players who are not in Carlo's plans and will not get any game time at all. Getting those three top, and highly paid, midfielders in will turn that side of the window into a financial necessity.

Kevin O'Regan
123 Posted 27/08/2020 at 09:43:31
According to my Columbian neighbour, James Rodriguez is linked 3 times a week to different teams, but none of them want to touch him due to his personality and attitude. Seems Carlo is one of only 2 or 3 managers who can work with this guy. Not sure his lack of game time was due to injury though.

Probably more likely that he just didn't fit into a very competitive squad at Real, that certainly was the way at Bayern. I would prefer a good player with an attitude to 5 in different players without one as long as the manager and rest of the squad can deal with him.

Colin Glassar
124 Posted 27/08/2020 at 10:19:54
Great post Tony. I don't give a monkey's about a players age if they can move us to the next level, hence my hope we'd get Thiago Silva.

Proven experience, and ability, over “potential” and sell on value any day in my book. We need winners with a winning mentality not a selfie-taking, Instagram-obsessed, fashionista.

Kevin, you have a point but some managers eg Zidane, Pirlo, Koeman etc... come into clubs and seem to take an instant dislike to certain players – Bale, Rodriguez, Ramsey, Messi etc.

Derek Knox
125 Posted 27/08/2020 at 10:20:33
Kevin @123,

Interesting but not unexpected. I refer to players with attitude, never really heard of it years back when they they were on good, but not megabuck wages!

Like that Harry Maguire, when arrested, is alleged to have said "Do you know who I am?" I liked the response of the legal official who replied, "He may be well known in the UK but to us he is just another tourist, who must, like everyone else abide by the rules of that Country."

Sukhdev Sohal
126 Posted 27/08/2020 at 11:05:14
Do you guys think we will use 4-4-2 with James Rodriguez on the right? He has played on the wings for both Monaco and Colombia, but predominantly is a central attacking midfielder.
Mike Price
127 Posted 27/08/2020 at 12:29:09
Why are we paying a massive fee and wages? Bayern just paid some of his wages during a loan. After a year of a loan, he's out of contract, so no fee – are we that stupid?!
Paul Tran
128 Posted 27/08/2020 at 12:37:14
We've wasted money because we've bought poorly. If we'd bought well, we wouldn't be talking about resale value, we'd be talking about how good the team & players are. Buy what we need now for now, get the team established, then start looking at resale value.

Life can be quite simple when you stop pissing around and trying to be clever. Recruit good business managers, football managers, coaches and footballers. Get that right and you haven't got to agonise about fluctuating market value.

Patrick McFarlane
129 Posted 27/08/2020 at 12:49:53
Paul #127,

I don't know how the term resale value became part of the match-going and general fans lexicon, to me it smacks of BS, if you purchase a player and he becomes an integral part of your team then that player will become more valuable to the club and therefore the club won't sell unless and until a potential buyer meets the asking price, meaning the player will likely be sold at a profit on the initial outlay.

Conversley, if you buy a player and they fail to produce their best form for the club or are unable to lock down a place in the first eleven they become surplus to requirements and the club has to sell at a loss or pay out his wages until the player reaches the end of his contract.

Neither of these scenarios are dependent on age or price. Unfortunately we have too many players that fall into the second category at this point in time. Buy players that fit immediately into the team or squad and the rest will take care of itself.

Brian Harrison
130 Posted 27/08/2020 at 12:53:46
Paul 127

Yes, I totally agree poor decisions on players bought is our problem. I think its only in the latter years that the resale value of a player has become of interest to fans. I think we should remember were fans not accountants, let the owners and club accountants worry about resale value, let us fans worry about the quality of the players on the pitch.

I know that some fans worry about clubs over spending and owners leaving the club with massive debts, which often teams having points deducted and the best players being sold to reduce the debt that the owner has left.

But the answer is easy the leagues insist that when a new owner takes over a club he has to guarantee a bond which means the club is left in as stable a position it was before the new owner took over.

Robert Tressell
131 Posted 27/08/2020 at 13:01:28
Tony @122.

There's a lot of sense in that. Being a bit cynical we are possibly the best chance of a last big pay packet for these guys too. But I do think you make a good point.

I'll be genuinely excited if they all sign. But it'll be a big let down if the injuries strike. And I do think there are much better ways of building a side to compete for top 4 places (and in the Champions League).

Kevin, your point about Rodriguez is interesting. I thought his appearances at Real were curtailed by injury and the fact they are overloaded with similar(ish) players (especially Bale, Asensio and Isco). When fit he did really well at Bayern didn't he – and the fans wanted him to stay but they ended up embroiled in the saga to sign Sane. Didn't know he was a difficult personality.

Steve Shave
132 Posted 27/08/2020 at 13:17:17
Sukhdev @126,

I asked a similar question earlier in the thread. General consensus is he can play on the right but my gran has more pace; if so he would rely on cutting in to play through balls with that wonderous left foot of his.

If we brought all three it might appear Carlo is thinking of 4-3-3 and 4-2-3-1, wide right of a front 3 cutting in or behind the main striker in 4-2-3-1 makes sense to me.

If playing either of those formations it is imperative we have a hard-hitting midfield behind him, Doucoure and Allan would certainly fit that mould, otherwise it won't work in my opinion. I could see Gomes struggling for game time this season if all goes to "alleged" plan.

Danny Baily
133 Posted 27/08/2020 at 13:25:43
Too expensive and too injury-prone. With Sigurdsson stuck on the books, I don't see why we'd break the bank for Rodriguez.
Trevor Peers
134 Posted 27/08/2020 at 13:33:03
We should spend the money on a decent young striker/winger who has a proven goalscoring record, it's absolutely essential.
Robert Tressell
135 Posted 27/08/2020 at 13:42:15
Steve @132.

You're right, he'd line up wide right in a 4-3-3, 4-2-3-1 or as a playmaker in a 4-4-2 double 6.

But he's not a winger and won't play up and down the line. He doesn't particularly need pace therefore – because he uses his attributes of intelligent, technique and drive instead.

This is possibly why Ancelotti likes him. He will find space and shift position during matches. In particular – moving into the Number 10 zone. Other players will need the intelligence to accommodate this. The right-backwill need to provide a lot of the width.

But it will be backed up, by the looks of things, with the solid base of Allan and Doucouré.

Graham Hammond
136 Posted 27/08/2020 at 13:45:36
Probably will improve us if he can stay fit and train adequately but why still the obsession with collecting Number 10s? Even if we play a 4-3-2-1 we already have Gomes, Sigurdsson, Iwobi and Bernard to make up the '2' (all these cannot defend adequately).

We need a pacy Centre Back and a quality Defensive Midfielder, preferably both but certainly one of the two. We should not be pissing transfer fees and wages up the wall on this player when we are so deficient elsewhere.

Maybe if we are able to offload two of the above four players but otherwise another stupid, non-priority signing.

Geoff Lambert
137 Posted 27/08/2020 at 14:03:03
Do we not have the resources to pay the wages for these three new recruits? We have moved on quite a lot of deadwood this season and not replaced it as of yet. Our wage bill must be in the region of £400 thousand a week better off with the outgoings.
John Pierce
138 Posted 27/08/2020 at 15:34:45
I think this might be a goer. We all know this lad has played for Carlo before and likes playing for him. Along with Allan it would be two players who ‘get' Ancellotti and be able to influence the rest of the squad. This despite their age this makes sense.

Moreover with Allan linked it would seem assimilation for Rodriguez would be easier, throw in his compatriot Mina and there's a nice South American enclave at Everton which would surely make any transition easier?

The cons are his injury record although a small delve into it suggests a numbers of games across those years where he simply wasn't picked or didn't feature. So I'd be wary about tagging him as lame duck.

He likes a dribble and enjoys making that final pass rather than scoring loads of goals. That's a player we don't have, we have a pair of finishers so this also seems a good fit. This however all depends on how high we play. If we don't squeeze other teams and play with a high line, this lad will get isolated and become anonymous, he ain't tackling back!

So if we sign him we have to sign a fast centre back to play out the tactics that will bring the best out of him. I feel a high line as part of a front three in a 4-3-3 would suit him well.

Andrew Ellams
139 Posted 27/08/2020 at 15:38:38
I do hope this doesn't stop us bringing a winger with pace though. We desperately need to upgrade on at least one out of Bernard and Walcott.
Bill Gall
140 Posted 27/08/2020 at 15:54:47
He is that talented that all he is remembered for is, he was a golden boot winner in an earlier World Cup competition. Forget him we have enough has been wingers on our books. We might as well try to get Delefao back, at least he is a goal scorer. Apologies if i spelt his name wrong.
Mike Price
141 Posted 27/08/2020 at 16:12:56
Ffs, I've been saying it on this site for decades... we need pace in this team. Pace and power are starting points and go from there.

I was screaming for us to get Traore from Middlesbrough when Besic was doing alright up there and Traore was clearly a rough diamond. Traore would be much more use to us now than a Columbian Sigurdsson – and we're still paying Besic Btw!

Jason Li
142 Posted 27/08/2020 at 16:17:35
Carlo wants many identities in a match that can adapt to game management, opposition changes and substitutions.

James is perfect for this, as we switch to him in front of a diamond midfield like Kaka did at AC Milan, or classic 4-4-2 in an instant, for example. Swapping with Richarlison makes it harder for defenders to watch for runners in behind. In fact, as Gordon can play striker too, either can run in behind and swap with Richarlison. Will be lovely to see the fluidity of position swapping.

Let's see how this unfolds...

Ray Roche
143 Posted 27/08/2020 at 16:29:04
Bill @140,

In 102 games for Watford and Everton, Deulofeu scores 15 goals. Not really a goalscorer.

Martin Berry
144 Posted 27/08/2020 at 16:48:17
If we get Rodriquez, Allan, Decouré and Arias then I think the faithful will be amazed.

As to where the money is or will be coming from is anybody's guess but the reports for all four look solid and advanced.

Robert Tressell
145 Posted 27/08/2020 at 17:40:54
John @ 138. Completely agree.

The fast centre-back gets us higher up the pitch.

Rodriguez will be used to playing in teams who dominate possession and will not be accustomed to chasing back (although he's got a tasty tackle in him). Hence we need Allan and Doucoure too (or similar types). We could also do with a high stamina right back who owns the flank.

Unfortunately that is 5 players in total. We'll be very unlikely to get that many so something will have to give.

Bill Gall
146 Posted 27/08/2020 at 17:52:21

Deulofeu was just a tongue-in-cheek remark as he would not be considered Everton. Rodriguez is not exactly been a prolific scorer for Real Madrid and, if rumours are correct, he is willing to sign for £140k pounds a week, that is just another overpaid waste of money.

Andrew Ellams
147 Posted 27/08/2020 at 17:52:42
Robert, do you think Gomes and Rodriguez can play in the same team with slowing us up too much?

Steve Shave
148 Posted 27/08/2020 at 18:12:45
Rob 135 and Andrew 147,

As mouth-watering as these 4 signings are, I do have serious reservations about what to do with all these No 10s we have. We simply must move on Sigurdsson and either Bernard or Iwobi and sign a winger.

Pat Kelly
149 Posted 27/08/2020 at 18:23:09
At least there'd be competition. For the treatment table.

What is the obsession with 29-year-olds?

Sukhdev Sohal
150 Posted 27/08/2020 at 18:23:21
Cheers Steve. Let's hope nothing dodgy happens with our main targets, Rodriguez, Allan, Doucouré and a right-back (Arias?).
Ray Roche
151 Posted 27/08/2020 at 18:28:41
Bill @146,

I hope you're wrong about that salary. Have we learnt nothing?

Robert Tressell
152 Posted 27/08/2020 at 18:30:23
Steve S @ 148. I'm not convinced either. I'd prefer we built a side in a different way. But I can't say I wouldn't be excited if he signed. Sceptical, yes. Excited, yes.
Tony Hill
153 Posted 27/08/2020 at 18:34:41
I wonder if the funds might, after all, be starting to come through from a Russian source? They don't like failure these people and tend to keep going even if the route is circuitous.

Speculation, of course.

Ajay Gopal
154 Posted 27/08/2020 at 18:45:55
If we get the 3 being talked about – Allan, Doucouré & Rodriguez, we surely need to ship out a majority of: Sigurdsson, Besic, Sandro, Walcott, Bernard, Iwobi, Tosun, Bolasie, Delph... preferably all of them.
Mike Gaynes
155 Posted 27/08/2020 at 18:49:21
Robert, I'd be excited and skeptical, rather than skeptical and excited.

Pat #149, probably half the 10 best players in the world are older than that (Messi, Cristiano, Lewandowski, De Bruyne, Hazard), so you're right, 29 is too young and inexperienced. But Carlo will bring him up to speed.

Andrew #147, Gomes... let's see... Gomes... who is Gomes again?

Geoff Lambert
156 Posted 27/08/2020 at 19:01:35
I hope Carlo reads ToffeeWeb, or he is going to fail miserably with his signings and game plan. Poor guy has so much to learn.
Jim Jennings
157 Posted 27/08/2020 at 19:03:29
Off topic but US TW fans favourite Weston McKennie is joining Juventus from Schalke. One year loan for €3M with an €18M option / obligation to buy if he plays 60% of their games.

I posted on here a while ago that Ancellotti could use him as “the Gattuso to Gomes's Pirlo”. It turns out the actual Pirlo wants him now.

David Milner
158 Posted 27/08/2020 at 19:08:03
If Carlo can talk him down on wages then get him in. Absolute class player.
Also get in Rafinha from Barca if they only want €13M. If his brother Thiago is signing for the Dark Side, then it makes sense them living together. It should be easy for him to settle in with us.
Pat Kelly
159 Posted 27/08/2020 at 19:44:50
Mike #154 let me know when we're linked with any of those you mentioned. And not injury-prone 29-year-olds. 😄
Bill Gall
160 Posted 27/08/2020 at 19:52:07

I am just going on the usual journalistic gossip, unbelievable most times right sometimes.

Rodriguez may be a good player but we need midfielders at the moment, and you never know, with a stronger midfield, one of the wingers we want to get rid of may improve as he will not be needed to help out the midfielders all the time.

The financial restraints Everton are under this transfer window, unless you have help someway of someone else assisting in buying, we have to stick to the problem areas and just buy what we can afford, and be tough negotiators instead of pushovers.

It will be nice to finally sign someone, to see what gossips are true, as I don't believe any of the 20 odd players we are supposed to be signing until I see the photo of them with an Everton shirt on and scarf over their head.

Craig Walker
161 Posted 27/08/2020 at 20:33:30
I must admit that I don’t know much about Allan. I tend to think the best Brazilian players have names like Garrincha, Rivelino and Zico rather than Jo, Bernard and Fred (sound more like members of a darts team). He’s a good player by all accounts though. Still not convinced by Rodriguez.

Others have mentioned wingers, forwards and centre halves that are needed as well as the obvious problem position of midfield. I’d add goalkeeper to that list too.

Carl Taylor
162 Posted 27/08/2020 at 20:43:59
I recently invented a time machine and travelled back to the early 80's, so I could relive the rise of Kendall's Blue Boys from the start. To make myself wealthy whilst there, I took the idea of creating the internet with me. However, it all back-fired on me! The internet spawned social media and the history of Everton was altered beyond recognition.

The fume that erupted when under fire manager Howard Kendall wanted to add Peter Reid and Andy Gray, both of whom were considered too old (26 & 28), to injury prone and had no sell-on value, forced the board to reject Kendall's plans and Howard walked away due to lack of support.

The board sanctioned the appointment of a young accountant to replace Howard Kendall and Everton went on to balance the books every season and finished between 8th and 12th every season. The accountant eventually left to take the England job and he was replaced by a young Scottish Manager from Preston who also managed to show the same level of ambition as the accountant.

I soon realised that you can't always get what you want, but it's great when you trust the people who are experts at what they do, to do the best job they can do.

Thank God I'm back in 2020 and I can watch Howards Way, whilst hoping the Everton board trust the first manager with a track record of success that we have appointed since Howard first moved on.

Tony Abrahams
163 Posted 27/08/2020 at 20:53:41
Two of the slowest players I ever saw play for Everton were Andy Gray and Peter Reid but, luckily for us, the first 5 yards were in their brains.
Mike Gaynes
164 Posted 27/08/2020 at 21:08:10
Jim #156, yeah, I sobbed as I posted that here last night. Turns out his boyhood hero was Pirlo. No way Weston could pass up that opportunity.
Graham Hammond
165 Posted 27/08/2020 at 21:21:16
Tony #162, I think the game was a little bit different back then mate but Andy was good and Reidy was class in his pomp. I seem to remember Peter scoring a goal down at Charlton (Selhurst Park if I remember correctly) in the late eighties and waltzing through their midfield so maybe he wasn't quite as slow as we remember!? My memory isn't great but that's how I remember it!
Si Pulford
166 Posted 27/08/2020 at 22:27:13
Finances apart how can anyone say they're ‘not convinced' by Rodriguez?

Don't believe what the press are peddling with all this ‘Done nothing since he moved to Spain' nonsense. He was sensational! His first season and his record since then holds up with the very best.

Make no mistake, he is head and shoulders above any player we have. You improve by signing better than you've got. That doesn't mean we shouldn't sign a defensive midfielder but if the right player is available at the right price you get him.

It's almost as if Ancelotti doesn't know what he's doing.

Mike Corcoran
167 Posted 27/08/2020 at 22:31:46
Ffs he is top notch. If it's doable financially along with Allan and Doucouré this would transform us.
Carl Manning
168 Posted 27/08/2020 at 22:45:02
Bill Gall – only a golden boot winner at a World Cup, do some research, then you'll see the medal haul he has. 19 trophies, and averages a goal every 3 games across his career. Quite a step up on the goal-shy shite we have now.
Ashley Roberts
169 Posted 27/08/2020 at 22:49:59
Tony #162.

I agree, when Reidy came he was older, slow and injury-prone but he was quality. The same goes for Gareth Barry, while not injury-prone he was slow and in the twilight of his career. As we all know to our detriment when he left, he left a big hole as he was quality.

In contrast, Delph was old, injury-prone and a bit-player at best at Man City. So hardly can be considered quality. There is no substitute for quality and it never leaves the player. So yes, would I prefer to have a 23-year-old Rodriguez? Then the answer is yes, but given the draw of Everton we are going to have to put up with either players who are untried and tested or the older quality pro.

For me, I would sooner take Rodriguez and either one of Allan or Doucouré. I don't think we need both as we have Gbamin to come back. I am not sure who would be preferable but I might go for Doucouré as he is known to be a box-to-box player and therefore a guy with legs and energy.

So for me, if we can get Rodriguez and we can keep him fit, it is a no-brainer for me.

Clive Rogers
170 Posted 27/08/2020 at 23:06:55
Ashley, 168, Reid was 26 when he joined us in 1982.
Geoff Lambert
171 Posted 27/08/2020 at 23:09:06
Done fuck all since he won titles with Real and Bayern. Championship level at best. Always looking at rejects that don't get enough playing time at the best clubs in the world.

There must be some better players in the lower leagues for fifty quid who will run their heart out on £400 a week, ffs. I just can't spend any more of Moshiri's cash – it's killing me.

Geoff Lambert
172 Posted 27/08/2020 at 23:11:43
26 is fine... 28 is old... Weird!!!
Sam Hoare
173 Posted 27/08/2020 at 23:14:46
It would seem strange after Brands saying we will target 22- to 25-year-olds and Ancelloti saying we won't sign superstars but the ‘next superstars' to then go out and buy Allan, Doucouré and Rodríguez. But no doubt they could all add something.

The trouble is that, even if buy those 3, then I still don't see us challenging higher than 6th. And they will all start to decline after 2 to 4 years. I guess the plan is to raise our profile and get us back into the top 8 or so but it seems a risky move.

Personally I'd go for the experience of Allan and then opt for some younger, pacy talent (Sarr, Sangare, Ünder, Soumare, Benhrama, Barrios, Stengs, Wendel) but I'd certainly be intrigued in the short term to see what Ancelotti could do with a fit Rodríguez in the team.

Alex Gray
174 Posted 27/08/2020 at 23:26:03
I think the model moving forward will be signing under-25s, Sam. This window, Ancelotti talked about changing the mentality of the club and James Rodriguez certainly ticks that box.

The defensive midfield role needs instant quality and experience which is where Allan and Doucouré come in. We'll still be signing young players that complement that experience over the next few windows!

I genuinely believe (apart from resale value) that these transfers are what we need. The team has a lot of youngsters who will improve but need the experienced heads around them.

Bill Gall
175 Posted 27/08/2020 at 23:38:06
Carl #167,

I am not arguing what he has done or what he has won. He played for Real Madrid for 6 seasons or 152 games scored 37 goals.

My argument is for what he is supposed to have requested for weekly payments is we should be looking to use that money to bring in quality midfielders and right back. We can't buy every player who is mentioned but we have to use what finances we have to strengthen those positions we were are the weakest... midfield.

John Pierce
176 Posted 27/08/2020 at 23:43:27
Sam, our fanbase and the club aren't prepared to redefine themselves as a club who buys young and creates assets to help balance the books. There's no shame in this model, progressive and

Why the hell we don't want to be a Leicester, a Dortmund, a Leipzig, a Sevilla even an Ajax is beyond me. All have less pedigree than us yet are recognized by younger players as destinations to get better the models are well established. This is one of the key reasons we miss out on prospects outright or a player like Reiner who gets bought buy an elite club and loaned to Dortmund.

Our Academy is rarely mentioned in the top echelons of its field, I'm hoping Brands is given enough time to change that. We seem confused, using Ancelotti as a short term draw to kick start ourselves out of a 25-year malaise.

But given we gave Ancelotti he needs his say on players and I guess I can't grumble at his potential choices. It might work in the medium term, holding the fort to allow Brands to chance the culture.

Steve Shave
177 Posted 27/08/2020 at 23:58:20
Yes Sam, I agree, mix up the experience and youthful promise. To sign 3 players with little to no sell on value is too risky.
Joe Corgan
178 Posted 27/08/2020 at 23:58:49
I see this slightly differently to some.

This could be our “Robinho.” He was a bit of a flop at City but still a cut above anything else they had a the time. He was almost a “halo” signing. A great player on his day but, more importantly, the very fact he was at City undoubtedly unlocked the door to other top class players.

I would hope James comes in and does a job even if he doesn’t set the world alight. Strongly caveated by the expectation that further signings of a similar ilk are to follow. We’ve spent enough money over the past few years to have a top class side by now. If we can reduce the wage bill, get rid of some of the dead wood, find a way around FFP and have Mr. Moshiri put his hand in his (or Usmanov’s!) pocket again we still stand a fair chance of joining the established top six clubs at some point.

Mike Gaynes
179 Posted 27/08/2020 at 00:06:04
Bill #174, you might want to re-check your stats. James has appeared 125 times in all competitions at Real Madrid, not 152. He has 37 goals and 42 assists.

Many of those appearances were as a sub, not full games. When actually on the pitch for Real Madrid, he has scored a goal every 218 minutes and an assist every 192 minutes.

No midfielder we have, or are considering buying, remotely approaches that level of productivity. Allan, for example, has scored a goal every 1283 minutes for Napoli. That's one-sixth of Rodriguez's production.

James and Allan are obviously different kinds of players, and I'm not saying we should pay six times more for James, but if we're talking about strengthening our midfield attack, it sure does seem like he's a LOT better use of our finances.

Mike Gaynes
180 Posted 28/08/2020 at 00:10:36
Joe #177, agreed. Even if Carlo can't help him regain his previous levels, he'll still be our best midfielder by a mile. And if he can truly get his shit back together, damn will we have some fun.
Si Pulford
181 Posted 28/08/2020 at 00:29:32
Bill, you say 6 seasons without mentioning the 2 seasons at Munich.
Jay Harris
182 Posted 28/08/2020 at 04:35:48

10 of the 22 on the pitch in the Europa League Final were over 30.

I did say the 2 best players in the world were over 30 but Mike G corrected me adding Lewandowski to that list and he's 32.

The RS were put forward as an example of buying young but 4 of their regulars are over 30 and a couple are 29.

If Allan was 24 he would cost around £80M. That is the talent we are possibly buying yet some numpties want to go out and get another Moise Kean who also cost £30M BTW, just based on his sell on value in 3 or 4 years.

One of my old chairman used to constantly say "if there is no success in the short term there is no long term" and that is what Carlo is trying to create. We need to bring quality players with experience and pedigree no matter the age because without some success we cant rebuild.

Sigurdson and Delph did not have pedigree. Who the hell are Swansea and Delph was not a regular for Man City. Tosun was another NIasse looked good in mickey mouse leagues but not up to the Prem so no pedigree there either. Rooney was shot and any old fool apart from Kenwright could see that was a ridiculous waste of money.

So it's easy to see why money was wasted previously on risks but these are players Carlo knows and if he is prepared to put his reputation on the line by bringing them in we have to back him.

Ajay Gopal
183 Posted 28/08/2020 at 05:46:12
Jay (181), good points, but I would argue that the Rooney purchase was not a failure. He turned out to be our highest scorer that season (2016-17) which we all remember to be chaotic (Koeman/Unsworth/Allardyce). If we had a stable and experienced manager like Carlo at that time, he would have probably used Rooney more intelligently and got out at least 1 more decent season from him.

As some people have mentioned on the 'Koeman to Barcelona' thread, Koeman's appointment was the biggest disaster to happen to this club in recent years, and we are still paying the price for it. Let us get behind Carlo – he is no Koeman. In spite of his stellar managerial record, he comes across as a humble and respectful person intent of taking Everton ahead. Let us get behind him and trust that he knows what he is doing. If he wants Rodriguez, Allan and Doucouré, then let us wait and see what happens.

Jay: "if there is no success in the short term, there is no long term" - never a wiser word spoken!

Brian Murray
184 Posted 28/08/2020 at 05:54:48
Rooney was an emotional embarrassing call to bring him back and a so-called big club would never have even entertained the idea. Carlo is fighting all this ineptitude from within before he can get to grips with the opposition. Might be a step too far for him or anyone for that matter. Hope I'm wrong.
Ajay Gopal
185 Posted 28/08/2020 at 06:05:06
Edit: Not 2016-17, it was 2017-18.
Carl Taylor
186 Posted 28/08/2020 at 07:47:18
You have to be pragmatic here. Buy every player with potential re-sale value as your main driver and your team lacks experience and loyalty. Buy every player based on experience and proven ability and you have a team that is passed its best.

We have a lot of potential in the current squad, but no real experience. We need players with a winning mentality, to teach the younger squad members that you need a ruthless streak to win and that you never accept defeat. Look at that lot who rent our old ground. I hate them and everything they stand for, but they have some horrible characters, who will do anything it takes to win a game. Look at us in a derby match and I don't see our players leaving an elbow on the back of their necks as they fall, diving at the slightest touch or getting in the ear of the ref. (The last player we had who did anything like that was Gareth Barry.)

To many of the current squad, with some notable exceptions (Holgate, Richarlison, Digne), accept defeat with ease. Younger players of all ability have come through the 'its the taking part' education system and they need an older head to teach them that is utter nonsense when it comes to competitive sport.

I believe that Carlo has seen this for himself and is looking to change that mentality within the whole group.

David Cash
187 Posted 28/08/2020 at 08:08:35
Jay Harris,

You come across very headmasterish with your shouty "pay attention to me" posts.

Did it ever occur to you that other posters hear what you say, but simply don't agree with you?

Your post makes no sense. Ronaldo going to Juve was a commercially sound decision for all concerned. No gamble. He signed for Madrid in his mid-twenties. Lewandowski signed for Bayern in his mid-twenties. Messi signed for Barca as a kid.

The commercial benefits of signing a world superstar often takes the gamble out of signing them at a "mature" age, but very few clubs are reckless enough to go down the route you are advocating by spending fortunes on slightly above-average players who are around the 30 mark.

Liverpool did not sign their over-30s when they were over 30. Like Bayern, Real Madrid and Barca, they have had years of service including European success before they got to that age.

Perhaps you should follow your own advice and start paying attention. Those who voice concerns over signing players in the twilight of their careers may be giving the matter a little more thought than you are.

Playing over-30s who have been at your club for years and have been key to your team's development isn't really a gamble. Spending huge sums to bring in players with their best years behind them most definitely is.

I'm all for signing players like Gareth Barry on the cheap to bring stability and experience, but this club can't afford to squander fortunes on players nobody else will want in a year or so. Successful transfers of "mature" players are few and far between. Why would any club gamble all that money?

We need a sensible transfer policy. The panic button has been pressed too often in the past.

Kevin O'Regan
188 Posted 28/08/2020 at 08:09:09
Whatever happens, we need to make sure we have leadership material in midfield, with bite and brains and a winner mentality. James Rodriguez is not that player. You can't expect it from a newbie to the Premier League either (language, culture, game style etc). He can provide the creativity but not the blue EFC leadership.
Tony Abrahams
189 Posted 28/08/2020 at 08:18:27
Of course the game is different nowadays Graham H, you can't tackle for a start, but the first five yards will always be in the head, it's what gives the slower players a chance.

I watched the Champions League Final the other night, loads of great talent on show, but the two standout moments (for me anyway) was when the little midfielder Hierra, played a little reverse 5-yard pass.

He took loads of defenders out the game with his intelligence, but unfortunately for PSG, it probably took his own superstar players by surprise, because they both wasted great chances, made by a player “using the ball”.

Sam Hoare
190 Posted 28/08/2020 at 08:22:42
Jay @181, yeah, you tell those numpties at Leipzig and Dortmund and Salzburg and Monaco to listen to your caps locks!

No-one is saying we should only buy kids but if you think the finances can sustain only buying 29-year-olds then you are wrong. There will have to be a balance.

Moise Kean has been ineffectual so far but, even so, we could sell him easily as he's young and on small wages. If Rodríguez comes in and struggles to adapt to the pace of the Premier League (as has happened before with some top-class players) then we will be stuck with him probably till his contract ends.

The RS may have some players over 30 but have a look at the top 4 and see what age most of their starting players were when they actually bought them. You might be surprised to find that that 85%+ of them were 26 or under. Because often it takes players some time to adapt to a new coach, a new league, a new team etc.

I understand the need for signings who can make an impact in the short-term but your ex-chairman (if he had any sense) would also have had to consider long-term implications too. It's about balance and good judgement and there is absolutely nothing wrong with people pointing out that issues such as resale value and wage bills should be considered.

Whoever we sign this summer, I'd say we would be highly unlikely to break into the top 4. Would you agree? So therefore surely our goal should be to sign a few players to improve us immediately (and get us into top 7/8) but also to think about who we can get who will help us get into top 4 maybe in 3-4 years time. Hence a balance of new and old.

If you don't believe me then look closer at the match you keep referring too. The Europa League winners, Sevilla, have a good mix of old and young; last Summer, they bought the wily and experienced Luis Muriel (28) and the Europa League Final MotM, De Jong (28). But they also bought the impressive Jules Kounde (20), the goal scoring Lucas Ocampos (24), the dynamic Joan Jordan (25), and one of the best defenders in La Liga this year, Diego Carlos (26). They also loaned the excellent left-back Reguillon (23). It is the last 4 players who are now being linked to the sort of big money moves that will allow them to fun their next raft of purchases. They did not spend large funds on anyone over the age of 28.

Tony Everan
191 Posted 28/08/2020 at 08:39:34
I think reality will kick in sooner or later.

The harsh truth we will be getting no one apart from Allan, without first selling or loaning some of our high earning senior players who are not in Carlo's plans.

Bernard, Tosun, Sandro, Bolaise, Delph, Besic, Walcott maybe even Sigurdsson and Iwobi. For starters, there's 8 or 9 players who will not get any meaningful game time if the Three Musketeers are coming to the club.

That's not far off £700, 000 per week wages that the club will not want (or be able) to pay with FFP. All for players who are likely outside the manager's plan of attack if Allan, Doucouré and Rodriguez arrive.

It is possible at least three of them will have to be moved on before additional deals are sanctioned. This is where Brands's real work lies, getting the best fee or deals possible to relieve our unbalanced squad and wage bill.

Moving on another one or two more may give us more flexibility to make late additions.

Eddie Dunn
192 Posted 28/08/2020 at 08:43:29
Carlo will have demanded transfer funds; if he wants Rodriguez, then so be it.

Ancelotti is thinking short term, as almost all coaches now do. Very few have the luxury of planning long term. Brands may have a different opinion but, if you sign a manager of Carlo's pedigree, I imagine you give him assurances that he will be backed; otherwise, he will walk.

As for this player, I have no idea how he will fare in the Premier League but we are not dining at the top table and have to take a gamble on either up-and-coming wannabees or guys with iffy injury records who are about to go over the hill.

However, if this guy is costing around £30 million compared to Iwobi and Tosun, it looks a steal!

Fran Mitchell
193 Posted 28/08/2020 at 08:45:17
When we look at the players in our team that we would definitely keep, we have Calvert-Lewin (22), Richarlison (22), Gordon (18), Digne (27), Holgate (22), plus the maybes: Kean (20), Davies (22), Mina (24), Kenny (22), Iwobi (24), Gbamin (22), Gomes (26), Keane (27).

The rest are probably dispensable. So we are not an old team, but quite clearly we lack experienced players with pedigree. So I can understand Ancelotti's logic of wanting to get some proven pedigree into this squad of 'potential'.

All things need balance, I hope we also sign some young soon-to-be stars but, if we only sign 3 players this summer, those 3 players need to make a real impact.

Robert Tressell
194 Posted 28/08/2020 at 09:02:48
Jay – what Sam said. And also:

▪ Judge Kean in a year or two. He wasn't bought for immediate impact, that's the point.

▪ Would Man Utd, having their time again, buy Sanchez and Pogba on colossal wages? Have they had am upturn in fortunes when switching to more motivated up-and-coming players?

▪ Where were Leipzig just a few years ago when we spent £13M on Oumar Niasse. Where are they now? How did they do it?

▪ how easy has it been to shift experienced Premier League players like Bolasie, Schneiderlin and Sigurdsson? Have these purchases helped or held back the club?

▪ Do you think buying established Premier League player Iwobi was good value? Any takers this summer for Mr Iwobi?

▪ How easy was it to shift Lookman, Onyekuru and Vlasic?

▪ Who are our best players this season after Richarlison and Digne? Probably Calvert-Lewin and Holgate. Where did they come from?

▪ How much do you think it would cost to build a side that is capable of competing with squads worth over a billion pounds? Is that doable in one summer? Two summers? Is it doable if we build strategically over the space of say 3 to 5 years? How old will a 29-year-old be in 3 to 5 years?

▪ Can we sustain the present wage bill? Would you like us to risk it anyway and see what happens? Ask Leeds, Portsmouth, Bolton fans etc what they think...

The sell-on value thing is sort of important. But it's not really the point. And whilst we'd all love a few key signings to bump us back up the table, we're a long, long way off. We've all been forced to be ridiculously patient (I started supporting in about 1988 so have seen nothing but decline with the odd relative high) but I'd be very pleased now to watch a young team be assembled and grow towards its peak in about 3 to 5 years. Better that than a conveyor belt of mediocre or flawed signings which has been the approach (apart from Richarlison, Digne, Kean, Calvert-Lewin, Holgate, Branthwaite and arguably Vlasic, Onyekuru, Lookman) since Martinez's second season.

Paul Birmingham
195 Posted 28/08/2020 at 09:14:06
Good point and common sense Fran @193, I am with you, let’s hope so.
Bill Fairfield
196 Posted 28/08/2020 at 09:18:10
I just hope these players can dominate the midfield for us. It's been a long time watching us struggle in this area. It doesn't matter how old or young they are as long as they play with skill and fire in their bellies. Midfield dominance is key to winning football matches.
Dave Abrahams
197 Posted 28/08/2020 at 09:24:12
Some good balanced arguments in the last few posts, I think it has to be experience plus young players in the next few windows until the unsellable players have gone.

Regarding Rodriguez, if he comes on a free, think about it, if we have to pay money for him, swerve it, Real Madrid want him and his wages off their books, why pay money to solve Madrid’s problem.

Geoff Lambert
198 Posted 28/08/2020 at 09:34:02
With Jay and Fran on this all the way, you would think we where looking at the whole team to be over 30.

You go and buy your young cheap players that no one else wants to take a chance on. Great we can sell them on when we are a mid-table Championship team. I don't want players who we are looking to sell on in 2 or 3 years for a profit, I want a player to stay with us because we are a top club. and all the people going on about buying 24- or 25-year-olds, do they not realize they will be at the age you do not want to buy at in 3 or 4 years time.

We need a core of quality with experience to work with the younger players we already have. If you look at athletes in other sports the over 30s don't do too bad, the top tennis stars male and female are mid-thirties. Top sprinters and long-distance runners mid-thirties. Your ability to perform at the highest level does not diminish because it says on a peice of paper that you are 30.

Andrew Ellams
199 Posted 28/08/2020 at 09:34:39
I think we can scrap this one now, Sandro is back at Finch Farm.
Brian Harrison
200 Posted 28/08/2020 at 09:57:10
Surely what's important is not age but ability. I don't remember when we signed Alex Young wanting to know how old he was only how good he was. I don't care if we buy players in their 30s or their teens, its what they contribute on the pitch that is the only criteria.

Let's be honest, the last hugely talented youngster we had was Rooney and he was gone before his 18th birthday. Because of our lack of success over the last few decades, if we buy or produce a young player of real quality he will no doubt be taken away by one of the successful clubs. Yes, we will get a healthy transfer fee but we have seen how wasteful our last few managers have been with money to spend.

So, whoever we sign, let's judge them on their performances and not how old they are. I know people will rightly say we bought older players and gave them big money and long contracts, but that was more to do with poor purchases than the age of the players. We should also remember we have had excellent service from some of the older players we have bought in the past.

Si Pulford
201 Posted 28/08/2020 at 10:27:34
The opinions on here are so polarised it's untrue. Basically loads of people making very similar points but taking any quite or idea out of context to prove how right they are. No concession made to anybody else's point.

When did anyone on here say ‘we should only sign 29-year-olds?' Never. No one said that. Not once.

However we do have a lot of younger players and it's probably fair to say that a bit of experience and quality would make a good mix?

Also, maybe, just maybe, Ancelotti has looked at these kids and our current crop getting walked through in midfield week after week and thought ‘If I get a couple of seasoned winners that I trust in here we could be onto something.'

Liverpool signed Milner at 32(?) that didn't open the floodgates for people to say ‘Klopp only wants to sign 32-year-olds, he's gone mad!' He just wanted to add a little experience, composure and game management. It worked.

Lastly, think about this. What if Carlo doesn't want any of these players? What if we don't know his targets? Some on here are going as far as to question Carlo Ancelotti (!!!) because the press are linking us with a couple of players that we may not even want!!!! It's madness... and even if he wants all three – he sees what we have and he knows what's available. I'll let him have one full transfer window before I deem him a busted flush with no vision!!! He's only signed one player since he joined. How short-term have we become? Judge him on his signings not on rumours.

Doubtless this will all be taken out of context and one line will be used to prove someone else's point as the cognitive dissonance digs in even further though!!!!

Bobby Mallon
202 Posted 28/08/2020 at 10:33:19
Guys I just told my 12-year-old that we may be buying Rodriguez. l asked him and his Arsenal supporting mate what they thought. They both said "Sick!" and they would have his name on the back. His Arsenal mate even said he would have an Everton too just to have his name on it. No-brainier for the commercial side; buy him.
Brian Williams
203 Posted 28/08/2020 at 10:45:42
The latest "Gospel" is that Juventus intend to muscle in on the Allan transfer and beat Everton to his signature.

I wonder how many of the "don't want him's", "too old, swerve" will suddenly change tack and start moaning about how we've lost out on another target etc, if he does go to Juventus.... for no other reason than to have a moan about the club.

Clive Rogers
204 Posted 28/08/2020 at 10:56:18
Fran, 193, Mina and Gbamin are both 26 next month and Calvert-Lewin is 23 and Gomes 27. Time flies.
Declan Campbell
205 Posted 28/08/2020 at 10:56:46
Sam Hoare, didn't Seville sell Muriel last year to Atalanta not sign him?
Mike Doyle
206 Posted 28/08/2020 at 10:57:38
Eddie 192] Spot on. The last thing Carlo needs is more “ones for the future”. We want him to deliver now so we need significant upgrades on what we have now. The fees being quoted for the likes of Allen, Rodriguez et al seem pretty reasonable given the amounts spent on mediocrity during the last few years.

Like many other posters I suspect Carlo may walk if he doesn't feel he's being supported.

Sam Hoare
207 Posted 28/08/2020 at 11:06:49
Declan@205, yes! My mistake. Rushed iPhone research!

Si@201, brilliantly ironic opening paragraph!

Mark Pringle
208 Posted 28/08/2020 at 11:27:14
Si @201 & Fran @193 - Most sensible posts on this thread in my opinion. Let's trust the guy who is in the top 3 most successful managers in history, he might just have have a clue what he is doing!!
Si Pulford
209 Posted 28/08/2020 at 12:09:00
Sam, you say ironic. It's not meant to be. It all gets a bit ‘Inception' if you look too long!
Si Pulford
210 Posted 28/08/2020 at 12:10:00
Bang on, Mark!

I'm starting to think there's a reason I've never won a Champions League as a player or manager.

Dave Abrahams
211 Posted 28/08/2020 at 12:30:19
Mark (208),

Everton will get no trophies for what Carlo has done in the past. I hope he can do for Everton what he has got for other clubs. I'm on his side but realise what a huge mess he has to sort out to get us even moving in the right direction; he's not a miracle worker after all.

Brian Williams
212 Posted 28/08/2020 at 12:44:24
I think, Dave, that's why Carlo is angling (if there's truth in any of the rumours) for the likes of Allan and Rodriguez. I think Carlo realises we need a huge improvement in the short-term to get us at least Europa League qualification or out of the mid-table mire.

I reckon his strategy is to get these experienced players in, get us up there as quickly as possible, and go on from there. I think he realises things are time-critical with the stadium on the not-too-far distant horizon.

I think he sees that the vision of young hungry footballers for the mid- to long-term is just not right for where we are now.

We need improvement, big improvement from this coming season onwards.

Geoff Lambert
213 Posted 28/08/2020 at 13:18:34
What I want is what everyone who posts on here wants, our club to be great again. No-one is right and no-one is wrong as, when it boils down to it, we all want the same thing. Let's get behind the manager and the team – that is what we do best as fans of our beloved Everton.
Derek Taylor
214 Posted 28/08/2020 at 13:35:31
Let's all hope Carlo is where Howard was when he shocked us all by bringing in old warhorses like Gray and Reid. Nobody can know what's in store, only speculate.

That`s what close season is for, but please ,please stop this obsession with players` ages.!

Brian Wilkinson
215 Posted 28/08/2020 at 14:43:52
Derek, I would say Messi is one of the best – if not the best – players in the world, yet some will say he is too old, while others will say too small.

Age or size is irrelevant if the player is good enough; also, the no sell-on value, again I want players for now, not to see if they can make a profit in three years time, or be polished as a young prospect.

If we can get a player who can give us three or four quality years, that will do for me for now.

Sod the build for the future, building a team for two to three years time – we need stability now, we need to add proven quality now, regardless of age.

Tony Everan
216 Posted 28/08/2020 at 15:09:05
5½ years ago, David Silva turned 29. Possibly the best player to grace the Premier League.

So signing a 29-year-old, if they are a quality, motivated and dedicated professional with regards lifestyle and fitness, can make sense. We will still have a healthy age balance in the team with a starting line-up including Richarlison, Calvert-Lewin, Mina, Holgate maybe Kenny and Gordon and a few mid-twenties including Digne and Gomes.

We will have to offload others to balance the wage bill but, after Carlo gets these three players in, I think then we will revert to supplementing them with young up-and-coming quality talent in forthcoming windows. So that side of the team's development will not be overlooked .

I think it makes sense and is a sound policy that is dependent upon Brands doing his bit with the outgoings.

We have appointed the most decorated man we've ever had in Ancelotti, at £9M per year. We must back him, have faith and trust his judgement.

Joe McMahon
217 Posted 28/08/2020 at 15:28:27
Tony @216, very true. Like you say individual fitness is key. Wayne Rooney is the same age as David Silva for example, and David could still manage Premier League now.
Andrew Ellams
218 Posted 28/08/2020 at 15:32:41
It's okay comparing Reid and Gray but even for the time they were pretty minimal financial outlays (combined transfer fees just over half of what Alan Ball cost in 1966) and both had years of experience of English top flight football.
Dave Abrahams
219 Posted 28/08/2020 at 15:48:30
Brian (212),

Yes, I am not arguing about Allan's and Rodriguez's ages, more about the injuries they have had in the last few years. Yes, signing experienced, along with young players is the way to go for the next few transfer windows, as I said @ (197).

I think most of us realise that Carlo has inherited a mess and thus has a big job on his hands, and there is no guarantee that he will get us out of this mess.

Ajay Gopal
220 Posted 28/08/2020 at 16:08:46
As others have pointed out, Arsenal have signed Willian at 32 years, Chelsea will soon sign Thiago Silva at 36 (next month), Man City may land Messi at 33.

I see why some people might be apprehensive about signing older players at high wages but we are talking: Allan - 29 years (30 in January), Rodriguez - just turned 29, and Doucouré - 27 years (28 in January). All these players should be in the prime of their careers and, if looked after properly, should easily give us 3-4 years of service. So, their age should not be the concern.

How they will turn out for Everton is the real multi-million dollar question? As with any transfer, luck plays a big part, and Everton are due a huge dollop of it when it comes to transfers – whether it is 30-year-old £30 million signing or a £1 million 18-year-old.

Having said that, I don't think Carlo can sign these 3 players without Brands shipping out the likes of Sigurdsson (£100k per week), Delph (£80k), Sandro (£90k), Bernard (£120k), Bolasie (£75k), Walcott (£90k), Tosun (£60k) – that is £615k per week, right there! £32 million per year on these 7 players alone!

(BTW, these numbers are from Paul's excellent article on the Finances of Transfers on this site.)

Jay Harris
221 Posted 28/08/2020 at 16:42:38
It's obvious I rankled a few posters but others understood the point I was trying to get across. I was particularly talking about this window and not a longer-term strategy.

I was also trying to emphasise that, although we bought experienced players in the past that we can't sell on now, it's not because of their age, it's because we did not buy quality or pedigree.

I don't have a fixation on older players; I just think age should not be the decider. To prove that point, along with a few others, I have been trying to make a case for Weston McKennie who I feel is one for the future but who can still operate now. Juventus have pulled off a real coup IMO.

You have to have balance in any walk of life and that includes a combination of quality and graft, young and old, leaders and followers.

If you look at our squad now, you can see we lack quality and leadership in particular. That needs fixing and younger players with potential and maybe sell on value cant fix that.

Paul Birmingham
222 Posted 28/08/2020 at 17:52:43
Jay, at 221, spot on, it's getting the right balance in the team, and this squad does lack leadership, fight, guile, guts, stomach for the fight, belief, etc, all the attributes any good team needs.

Let's hope this window we get some luck and get the at least x3 of the players Everton are being linked with.

Mike Gaynes
223 Posted 28/08/2020 at 18:14:25
Paul #222, it also lacks talent. Signings like Rodriguez and Allan will help considerably with that problem. Whether they help with the others remains to be seen.
John Pierce
224 Posted 28/08/2020 at 19:33:17
The overarching drive towards younger players is not just a good economic model to gain resale but most leading coaches are younger and are system driven. Those systems would seem to be intense, high energy and off-ball patterns of pressing and interceptions. You need a much younger squad to keep that level up.

The real question is, Ancelotti being an older manager is driven by players, not systems. That's why I think we are seeing speculation for the players we are.

Robert Tressell
225 Posted 28/08/2020 at 19:57:11
Jay @221. I think you rankled me. Maybe my PMT week?! Anyway, the bizarre thing is we all largely agree - because I'm not necessarily advocating a youth-only strategy either.

It's probably the frustration really with this window but also how dismally the club has been run (something else we can probably agree on). If we can get some quality signings over the line, then we'll all be happier. I expect it will happen too.

Derek Taylor
226 Posted 28/08/2020 at 20:19:44
Does anybody know the average age of, say, the last five Premier League champions? I bet it's nearer 30 than 20!
Graham Coldron
227 Posted 28/08/2020 at 21:03:44
Whenever the Red Echo reports on an incoming Everton transfer activity there is always a snidey reference along the following lines:

1. Players need to be sold before any new ones can be brought in; and

2. It remains to be seen whether Everton have the funds to finance any incoming deals.

Ian Riley
228 Posted 28/08/2020 at 21:24:04
Having younger players is only right if they are good enough. Carlo observes a midfield that is seriously lacking quality and experience. If we managed to get all three signings, this is the difference between top ten and top six. Please please let it happen. First time in many years I am excited about the season if we pull it off. Real quality and players that have won something. Together with a top manager, we perhaps may compete with the top six.

I'm not a cynical person... well, I am, but the young talented players we have had have gone after a good season. Experience drives younger players to come and prove their worth. Davies with his socks at his feet has proved nothing. He will have to pull his socks up if these players come in. Ferguson got a blend at Man Utd of experience and youth.

Everton are at a turning point now. Carlo is putting trust in players he has managed before with experience. He will be relying on them to lead going forward.

Tony Abrahams
229 Posted 28/08/2020 at 21:27:41
Doctor doctor what is wrong with me:
This transfer window is taking to long:
What is the heart life of a colour tv:
What is the shelf life of an ageing footballer?

Carl Manning
230 Posted 28/08/2020 at 22:32:25
John Pierce. You were surely joking when you said Ajax, Dortmund and Seville have less pedigree than us?

I wouldn't want to put our trophies up against Ajax in a competition. Dortmund make Champions League virtually every year and have won it. And if you can't see why Seville would be more attractive than us, then you're beyond help.

Jim Harrison
231 Posted 29/08/2020 at 06:56:12
Why does every player need a sell-on value? I don't buy an oven and think about selling it in 5 years for a profit. I consider it a depreciating asset. When it's done, I get what I can for it and replace.

Now, my oven doesn't get paid millions a year or have an injury history, to be fair, and it doesn't cost £30 million to buy.

This isn't sustainable across a whole squad, but there are plenty of positions in a team that can be filled with potential. We need immediate improvement to be able to increase performance levels. To bring in better quality, we need to be a more attractive proposition.

Sigurdsson cost a lot. We were trying to get a prized asset who had significant importance to his team. It turns out that he was probably at his level at Swansea and only rarely has been able of providing a level of performance at Everton that we hoped.

Allan and James have been playing at a higher level than Everton for years. They should bring in a higher level of performance on a more consistent basis. They won't be around in 6 years time, but how many quality players have we signed that have stayed for that duration in recent years? Every young player we have had that looks good sods off at the first flutter of the eyelashes of a more successful club. And who can blame them?

Lukaku was the star in the team. The most prized asset. He wouldn't be looking at the signings around him and thinking, this team is going somewhere.

Got to improve the on-pitch performance to improve the league performance. This makes the club a more attractive prospect to players young and old. Hopefully we can get an injection of quality in the short term to help get the team competitive, continue the process of shedding the average and in some cases crap squad players whilst replacing with younger guys who will either improve the squad or leave at a healthy profit.

Bobby Mallon
232 Posted 28/08/2020 at 07:30:55
Jay Harris @221. I totally agree. Age should not stop us buying quality players.
Alan Rodgers
233 Posted 29/08/2020 at 12:10:46
Leeds have just signed Rodrigo aged 29 for E29m or £26m so this must be the going rate for ready made players ?
Si Pulford
234 Posted 29/08/2020 at 12:46:31
If we get Rodriguez for less money than we paid for Tosun and people still moan I swear to god I’m going ‘postal.’
Marc Hints
235 Posted 29/08/2020 at 18:14:59
Looks like Allen and Rodriguez done deals
Mike Gaynes
236 Posted 29/08/2020 at 18:20:46
Are those "Hints", Mark?

Multiple reports have James coming in for his medical next week. I just hope his knee is in as good shape as the rest of him:

David McMullen
237 Posted 29/08/2020 at 18:56:12
I hope we do get these signings I have no doubt they're short to medium term players but we have to be realistic with the players we've got and the position we're in Carlo get's a blank cheque time to do the business.
Justin Doone
238 Posted 30/08/2020 at 22:19:10
If your good enough, age isn't important.

I look at what we need to improve our 1st team for the upcoming season and the one after that.

Without 2 good seasons it would most probably be all change from a management and coaching point of view anyway.

We have a youth team / development to look at potential future stars after that.

John Pickles
239 Posted 31/08/2020 at 13:46:46
SSN reporting that a deal could be confirmed in the next 48hrs. His name has disappeared from the transfer specials on SkyBet.
Mike Gaynes
240 Posted 31/08/2020 at 15:01:38
I'm getting happier by the minute.

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