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Tomori set for Everton loan

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Everton are close to signing Fikayo Tomori on a season-long loan from Chelsea according to reports.

Fabrizio Romano of The Guardian, Ryan Taylor of The Express, and Paddy Boyland and Simon Johnson of The Athletic suggest that the 22-year-old could join the Blues after the Londoners signed free agent Thiago Silva.

Tomori has cut his teeth with loan spells at Brighton, Hull City and Derby County in recent seasons and is seen as a valuable addition to bolster Carlo Ancelotti's options at centre-half.

Rennes were said to be strong suitors to take the Canadian-born centre-half this season but it appears as though Everton have stolen a march in being able to keep him in the Premier League.

The Athletic say that, "talks are progressing well between the two sides" in reviving a loan deal that was mooted last summer and which has been revived in the wake of Mason Holgate's pre-season injury which looks likely to keep him out of the season-opener at Tottenham on Sunday and possibly a few weeks beyond.

Sky Sports also report that the Toffees are "closing in" on a loan deal for Tomori.

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Pat Kelly
1 Posted 08/09/2020 at 15:50:22
Oluwafikayomi Oluwadamilola "Fikayo" Tomori. We're gonna need a bigger shirt.
Dan Nulty
2 Posted 08/09/2020 at 15:52:57
I would prefer if we could get an option to buy but he solves a problem with Holgate injured, Mina's injury record and Keane being a slow as a horse without legs carrying Joe Parkinson.
Steve Ferns
3 Posted 08/09/2020 at 15:56:35
Dan Nulty, agree with every word, but “a horse without legs carrying Joe Parkinson” was inspired! Kudos for that one, Dan.
Tom Bowers
4 Posted 08/09/2020 at 15:58:36
This lad has talent. With Holgate injured and Mina an apparent ''sick-note", Tomori would be a good option. Can't be too strong at the back and the prospects of Nkounkou are an added bonus.
Mike Gaynes
5 Posted 08/09/2020 at 15:58:39
Pat, it's a distinguished name that translates to: "Never have to hear about Zouma again!"

To everybody who said we need more pace at the back: Problem solved. This kid is so quick he brings to mind the Cool Papa Bell story about turning off the lights and making it into bed before the room gets dark. We were supposed to get this loan a year ago... the timing is even better now.

Andrew Ellams
6 Posted 08/09/2020 at 16:05:34
Canadian? Hasn't he been capped by England?
Pat Kelly
7 Posted 08/09/2020 at 16:06:34
Nice bit of business, Mike. We need his pace. Carlo has clearly assessed the problem areas and discovered Mina is unreliable.
Mike Gaynes
8 Posted 08/09/2020 at 16:07:51
He has, Andrew, just once. But he was born in Canada.
Steve Ferns
9 Posted 08/09/2020 at 16:10:59
Andrew, John Barnes was a Jamaican with no English relatives. However, having moved here as a child, he was eligible to play for England. Tomori, I believe is the same. Canadian but moved to England as a child and so is eligible for England now.
Colin Glassar
10 Posted 08/09/2020 at 16:11:50
Good piece of business. I would have preferred an option to buy but I’ll take it.

That was Muhammad Ali, Mike, not Taco Bell or whoever you mentioned.

Per Stumo
11 Posted 08/09/2020 at 16:12:16
Andrew #6: Yep, he's got one England cap, but was eligible for both Canada (being born there) and Nigeria (his parents are Nigerian). The world of today is a complicated one for sure!
Robert Tressell
12 Posted 08/09/2020 at 16:13:01
Bit surprised by this. Good player, but he and Holgate would make an unusually short centre-half pairing. That's why I thought the Adarabioyo rumours might have some credence.

Mike Gaynes
13 Posted 08/09/2020 at 16:18:16
Colin, sorry, I forget once in a while that I'm talking to a UK audience.

But no, it wasn't Ali. Cool Papa Bell was a baseball player in the old US Negro Leagues. If you're interested:

Mike Gaynes
14 Posted 08/09/2020 at 16:21:15
Robert #12, they'll look like light towers compared to Jagielka, Williams, Heitinga and some other combos we've had back there!
David Pearl
15 Posted 08/09/2020 at 16:21:24
Mina missed some games but nowhere near as many as Delph. Hope he kicks on this year and is inspired by our latest signing. He can be a top player in my opinion.

Tomori could be anything so fingers crossed we have some sort of option to buy but l doubt it.

We are getting closer with this squad.

Sam Hoare
16 Posted 08/09/2020 at 16:22:10
I think this is extremely sensible business. Obviously we have spent a fair bit in transfer fees and wages on Allan, Doucouré, and Rodriguez.

This move allows us to add another very decent (and fast) defender for low cost. He can play instead of Holgate or possibly with him if we wanted to play a higher line.

I doubt there will be a purchase option but we have a season to scout centre-backs and buy one next summer.

John Crook
17 Posted 08/09/2020 at 16:25:37
He is also cover for right back as well so a 1-year loan (try before you buy) seems decent business. But I still have the niggling feeling that missing out on Gabriel will be a big big miss. I guess Tomori kills two birds with one stone though (centre-back and right-back). Probably confirming the departure of Kenny back to Schalke?
David Chait
18 Posted 08/09/2020 at 16:25:49
I don't want another centre-back... unless it is some very established one and we are selling. This drops Gibson and Branthwaite down the list and blocks their path.

I would rather we back the kids and give them a path to the first team. Honestly if we buy another centre-back then just sell one of Gibson or Branthwaite in my opinion.

A loan works better in that it gives ours a year to progress on loan themselves... then send Tomori back and promote our own youth recruits... both of whom were bought as high-potential first-teamers.

Alex Gray
19 Posted 08/09/2020 at 16:28:00
Great business for me. If this comes off, the squad is starting to look strong!
Eddie Dunn
20 Posted 08/09/2020 at 16:29:14
Well, sorry to differ from most of the above but, apart from scoring a cracker from 30 yards at the start of the season, the lad has gone backwards. His positional play is poor and he isn't the tallest. Pace is useful, Ratcliffe and Jags weren't tall but made up for it with good reading of the game and of course both were very quick.

Tomori is way down the Chelsea pecking order for a reason. Zouma, Christianson, Rudiger are all better than him. There are some very good centre-backs out there like Mee, Tarkowski, Dunk, Egan, etc.

I would rather we rely on our own kids than give game time to him and then watch as he slots back into their side with plenty of game time under his belt whilst our hopefulls remain Premier League virgins.

John Pierce
21 Posted 08/09/2020 at 16:29:49
He has more experience than Gibson or Branthwaite and is considerably quicker than both; it is on loan and won't break the bank. It's an excellent choice given Chelsea's situation and given we will in all likelihood play with a high line, a logical choice too.

I think there's a fair chance he'll oust both Keane and Mina this season. In games where we defend deeper, counterattacking against better sides, will Keane or Mina be useful?

One of Gibson or Branthwaite were always going on loan.

For me it's the right profile of player, speed and recovery, and a stop-gap until we target a more rounded centre-back.

Geoff Lambert
22 Posted 08/09/2020 at 16:33:19
This lad is fast. Des Walker comes to mind. For the younger members, ask your dad.
John Pierce
23 Posted 08/09/2020 at 16:33:30
Sam, I'm just going backwards through the thread. Spot on, agree totally.
Andrew Ellams
24 Posted 08/09/2020 at 16:33:42
Also played in the U20 World Cup winning team with DCL and JJK so he already knows some of the younger guys.
Steve Ferns
25 Posted 08/09/2020 at 16:34:58
David, I don't think Branthwaite is ready. He coped admirably in the end of the season and has major promise. But he looked like the child he is at times and he was all over the place (but not as much as Holgate) in the first half-hour of the Blackpool game. We would be reckless to go into the new season without another centre-back.

We definitely need pace at the back too. This would then allow us to loan one of the lads out if we really wanted to. But I'd prefer Branthwaite to remain with the U23s for now and Gibson to be on the bench unless everyone is fit (which they aren't).

John Graham
26 Posted 08/09/2020 at 16:36:24
Looks to be a very quick and agile defender. Probably a bit more versatile than Zouma but lacking in his experience.

As mentioned before, it would have been nice to have an option to buy in the agreement but a nice addition to the squad if it all goes through.

Martin Berry
27 Posted 08/09/2020 at 16:38:39
This would be a very smart move as cover or first team regular.
I know the verdict is still out on Mina due to a run of niggling injuries that has not allowed him to show top form. I think he will become a top defender for us and I know he is going to score goals from those set-pieces.
Rennie Smith
28 Posted 08/09/2020 at 16:39:52
If this is true (and as usual it's a big IF), I would have thought Fat Frank would only let someone go on loan if they're going to get game time, so does that mean Carlo sees him as more than just a stiff on the bench?

It may be controversial, but for me, Keane is still our best centre-back with Holgate coming through. The lad gets some unfair criticism on here, he's never going to be a fluent, ball-playing centre-back but, call me old-fashioned, I like defenders to defend first and foremost rather than win style awards.

Geoff Lambert
29 Posted 08/09/2020 at 16:40:09
He is over 6 feet tall so no Javier Mascherano. It's a no-brainer if we are going to play the high-line pressing game.
Eddie Dunn
30 Posted 08/09/2020 at 16:42:30
Have a look at Tomori, the guy has very poor positional sense and relies on his pace like a person who is very good looking and hasn't bothered about their personality. He is a rookie of the first order and will be crucified on here by the very generous backers above.

He is like Danny Rose, Kyle Walker and Glen Johnson before them... headless chickens who can't read the game who get out of jail with pure pace.

Avoid this loan.

Jay Harris
31 Posted 08/09/2020 at 16:56:25
Fat Frank had him at Derby for a year and obviously knows him well but, despite their problems at the back last season, did not use him, so personally I am underwhelmed by this.

Steve, I totally disagree that Branthwaite was all over the place against Blackpool. The midfield might as well have stayed in the dressing room and Holgate had a nightmare so I think it is very unfair to slate an 18-year-old on the basis of the first 30 minutes of one game.

I think the lad has everything we need: big, strong composed and a good passer of the ball.

Justin Doone
32 Posted 08/09/2020 at 16:56:33
Sounds like a sensible option for some pace at the back. If he looks a worldy we can offer Chelsea a deal next year.

If Chelsea decide to keep him we look at other options. If he doesn't have what we want or need we avoid the financial risk.

I think we would all love one of our own youngsters to break through, but no point in rushing teenagers. Let them learn, develop and get confidence, especially a modern-day defender who lacks pace.

I too hope Mina can come out to play with his Colombian mate these next few seasons.

John Brooks
33 Posted 08/09/2020 at 16:57:24
No 9 Steve: John Barnes was born before 1983 when the Nationality laws changed, so being born in UK made him British. Tomori, being born after 1983 must have someone (parent, grandparent) who is British to be eligible to play for England.
Steve Ferns
34 Posted 08/09/2020 at 17:00:07
John, John Barnes wasn't born in Britain. Do you mean the commonwealth rule? Barnes was born in Kingston and moved to England aged 12.

I'm no immigration expert, but I think Tomori gets citizenship easily as he lived in England for more than 5 years before the age of 18 (he moved to England as a “toddler”).

If you have citizenship, then you don't need a parent or grandparent. Remember the Arteta to England rumours?

Tony Everan
35 Posted 08/09/2020 at 17:03:16
He is on loan, he will stand in for injuries and get opportunities to stake his claim.

Agree with David 15, Tomori could be anything. He has looked a bit raw to me when I have seen him, he looks strong but also with loads of energy and speed. But there is much more to being a quality defender than that, the loan will let us have a good look at him.

I hope we have an option to buy to take advantage if he comes good for us. Nothing annoys me more than us coaching and improving a player then giving him back to strengthen Chelsea etc, first team.

Without the option to buy, walk away, there will be other alternatives.

John Pierce
36 Posted 08/09/2020 at 17:04:10
The whole point about playing a higher line is we squeeze up and control the play, in my book it actually takes pressure away from the defenders to defend.

The last type of player you want in your team is Keane if you play this way. Holgate is gifted with the ball and will be fine and can step in. Any mistakes should be covered by a quick partner, right in Tomori's wheelhouse.

If you want to see Keane or Mina juggling with the ball on the half-way line then we are cutting our own throats. Silva tried this and got destroyed doing it. Ancelotti has had us sit deep and comfortable whilst he assessed the situation, because our midfield offered nothing.

He has now decided to be way more attacking with his purchases, we should be spending a ton more time in the attacking third, no time for a ponderous lump like Keane. Backs-to-the-wall stuff, sure... but he's no more than a one-dimensional player.

Mike Gaynes
37 Posted 08/09/2020 at 17:07:23
Eddie, I see your points but I'm a bit more sanguine about him. He was Derby's POY two seasons ago. Yes, he was poor last season, but no worse than those three veterans you mentioned -- Chelsea's defensive middle simply sucked.

As John P says, he's a risk-free deputy to our incumbent three (although I disagree he'll oust Keane or Mina), and it prevents us from relying on an 18-year-old as fourth-choice centre-back. I'll be interested to see what Carlo can do with him.

Dan Nulty
38 Posted 08/09/2020 at 17:15:40
Cheers Steve, I was quite pleased with that one myself.

Don't think Kenny to Schalke is nailed on, I am pretty sure that Schalke are absolutely skint.

Justin Doone
39 Posted 08/09/2020 at 17:19:44
International eligibility for sports are not aligned to citizenship rules and both do change to confuse matters more.

Citizenship would work if they hadn't played a competitive game for another country.

I think UEFA or maybe the UK FA decided if they schooled in the country for 5 years before turning 18 years old they can play for that country. Otherwise, they need a direct relation i.e. parent, grandparent.

These days, I'm sure it would be legally challenged if they had lived and worked for 5 years. Sterling came over at 5 years old, Barnes a teenager but different rules were in place.

Drinking Guinness no longer qualifies as being Irish... okay, a little OTT, I can't remember the players name but the Irish FA stretched a few rules.

The Aussie and New Zealand RFA's do similar with Pacific islanders.

Stephen Vincent
40 Posted 08/09/2020 at 17:20:54
I would much rather develop Gibson and Branthwaite than do Chelsea's developing for them.

They're effectively saying "We've signed a really good experienced centre-back for a year to enable our best prospect to get up to speed; here he is, give us back the finished article in a year."

Er... no thanks.

Richard Mason
41 Posted 08/09/2020 at 17:34:27
I think Gibson is as good as anyone at the club, really composed centre-back. I'd love to see him break through this season.

With him 4th choice and Branthwaite 5th, I would think we are covered there.

A winger and a right-back would be great.

Danny Baily
42 Posted 08/09/2020 at 17:34:37
Tomori has the potential to be a top quality player. If there was an option to buy this would be a great move.
Fran Mitchell
43 Posted 08/09/2020 at 17:35:04
Stephen, on the other hand, it could mean we give Gibson and/or Branthwaite a full season in the Championship on loan.

While we have back up in this lad, with Holgate and Keane or Mina the likely first choices. The club who gains more is us as the two lads will develop greatly from getting a full season playing, week-in & week-out, rather than sitting on the bench.

And we don't need to spend a fee or massive wages on someone who will ultimately block the path of two excellent prospects.

Steve Ferns
44 Posted 08/09/2020 at 17:38:53
We've five centre-backs at the moment: Keane, Mina, Holgate, Gibson and Branthwaite. Two of them are injured and two are teenagers, one of whom is also injured. I think it's understandable why we might need an extra body.

A 12-month loan for Tomori whilst loaning our Gibson, could mean Gibson is ready in 12 months and letting Tomori go back to Chelsea is not a big deal.

Steve Carse
45 Posted 08/09/2020 at 17:42:21
Clearly Chelsea don't see us as Top Four contenders then.
Sam Hoare
46 Posted 08/09/2020 at 17:45:32
Sounds like Holgate's injuries could be quite bad. May be a case of months rather than weeks. Hopefully not but would further necessitate the need for Tomori.

I don't mind having Branthwaite or Gibson on the bench but I'm not sure we want either to be starting a lot of Premier League games yet. Both might be better served with a loan to the right Championship club.

Martin Mason
47 Posted 08/09/2020 at 17:54:35
Anybody who seriously believes that this club or any of its fans accepts mediocrity is totally delusional.
Phil (Kelsall) Roberts
48 Posted 08/09/2020 at 18:15:41

So we bring Zouma in on loan and he gets a season's experience in the Premier League and goes back to Chelsea and into their first team.

Now, we bring in Tomori on loan and he could get a season's experience in the Premier League and he goes back to Chelsea and into their first team.

Are we just a testing ground for Chelsea's young defenders because it is okay to make mistakes for Everton but not Chelsea and great to get 12 months tuition from Professor Ancelotti – and not even for free but actually be paid to pick up the lessons.

The answer has to be:

a. loan with an option to purchase... or:

b. loan and he waits in the reserves until needed and if we like what we see, we make a bid and, if it is rejected, we send him back.

Joe McMahon
49 Posted 08/09/2020 at 18:29:57
I know nothing about him, is he any good? Can he play a higher line than Keane?
John Pierce
50 Posted 08/09/2020 at 18:32:42
Ancelotti ain't here to make small steps over four years. His standards are clear he wants a here-and-now plan, he ain't finishing nowhere again.

Branthwaite and Gibson aren't ready, this lad, given the market (maybe raw) but is lightning quick and available.

If we went after a centre-back now the market is screwed. Few are available, and those who are, go for massive prices given the fact many teams are in the market.

The move or one like it has to be seen in this context.

Andrew Ellams
51 Posted 08/09/2020 at 18:35:47
Justin Doone, wasn't it Tony Cascarino who admitted in his book after retiring that he was never qualified to play for Ireland and he and Jack Charlton kept it secret from the IFA?
Mike Gaynes
52 Posted 08/09/2020 at 18:37:26
Dan #38, that's my understanding as well.

Steve #45, does anybody?

Joe #49, I can play a higher line than Keane, and I'm 64. But yes, Tomori's best asset is blazing pace.

And for anyone regretting that we missed out on Callum Wilson, here's an absolutely wicked take on him from The Fiver:

"There’s Wilson, who if you discount the rogue good year of 2018-19 has scored 27 and created six Premier League goals in 96 appearances over four seasons, is halfway through his 29th year, is statistically only three times more likely to create a top-flight goal than he is to suffer a ruptured cruciate ligament, and still cost £20m."


Stephen Vincent
53 Posted 08/09/2020 at 18:38:24
Fran, Branthwaite played quite a few games for Carlisle before joining and 4 at the end of last season for us and looked the part by and large.

Gibson by all accounts is better than Branthwaite, played and did well in 9 or 10 games for Fleetwood, has represented England at under 17, 18 and 20s for England, won his age group World Cup.

How much more experience do they need? Tomori will cost a substantial loan fee and not insubstantial wages. All we are doing is helping Chelsea.

If they're good enough they're old enough. Remember Zouma!

John Pierce
54 Posted 08/09/2020 at 18:41:15
Mike. That’s chuckle-worthy for sure. I thought when I saw the move go through, what a risk it could be. But they need a forward for sure.

Would anyone be surprise if he scored 8 in his first 6 then his knee went. Totally not.

Len Hawkins
55 Posted 08/09/2020 at 19:01:31
Didn't little orphan Annie sing a song about him:

"Tomori Tomori is only a day away"?

Tony Everan
56 Posted 08/09/2020 at 19:07:24
I like it, Len. Or, if he doesn't turn up, a song from Bugsy Malone?

Tomori never comes.

Karl Meighan
57 Posted 08/09/2020 at 19:14:15
Didn't we try for him when Silva was in charge? I imagine Lampard likes him as he took him to Derby with him.

If he's smart, he should come as he won't play much with Rudiger, Thiago, Christensen and Zouma all ahead of him.

Young talented quick and hopefully hungry, be good to have him onboard and challenging for a place.

Matt Rigby
58 Posted 08/09/2020 at 20:02:14
Sorry but no. Not without the option to buy. If we are realistic about being in the upper reaches of the Premier League, we must not be training a player up for a direct competitor.

If we have to loan, we should only be loaning from top foreign clubs as we are still a couple of seasons away from playing those!!

Paul Birmingham
59 Posted 08/09/2020 at 20:38:44
If this comes off, then it's another shrewd piece of business by the club.

Not gonna get too carried away but, with new midfielders secured and if this loan transfer deal is gonna get done, it shows some serious intent for the oncoming season.

Derek Knox
60 Posted 08/09/2020 at 20:57:48
Ronan Keating Song " If Tomori Never Comes " what then? Seen a bit of this lad who looks okay but a bit raw, hopefully if he turns out good we have an option on him.
Mark Cranney
61 Posted 08/09/2020 at 21:08:37
Could be a good option, but what about Zoma, having fallen out of favour and down the ladder, why not now go get him. He was great once settled in and is young, fast strong both in the air and on the ground surely it would make sense
Andrew Ellams
62 Posted 08/09/2020 at 21:21:12
Mark I've seen a few saying Zouma has fallen out of favour but he started the cup final so he can't be that out of favour.
Fran Mitchell
63 Posted 08/09/2020 at 21:37:33
Stephen, look at the lad at Brighton who was on loan at Leeds. One full season on loan, in a good team, playing week in week out, going through bad form but reacting and recovering. That is very different to being the young lad who comes in every now and again.

Branthwaite did well considering what we expected...but he made mistakes that we won't accept in long term.

A season at a club challenging the top end of the Championship could do wonders.

Look at Holgate after his time at West Brom.

Mark Cranney
64 Posted 08/09/2020 at 22:16:01
Andrew, yes he did but then we have played Yannick doesn’t me we want to keep him... just think they might be showcasing him that he is fit etc etc
James Stewart
65 Posted 08/09/2020 at 22:18:51
I would prefer us to give opportunities to Gibson, who is just as ready as Tomori is, and Branthwaite personally. Why keep developing Chelsea players for them!
Steve Ferns
66 Posted 08/09/2020 at 22:32:11
It’s Gibson I’d loan out. He looked better than branthwaite in both the previous-season games. Very assured against championship opposition whereas Branthwaite seemed all over the place against league one opposition. As Fran said, Branthwaite made mistakes last season. He was 17 or 18 and so it’s not a problem. If he’s to be counted on as a first team player, then it is a problem. I think he has work to do on his game, that he needs to develop and that he needs coaching. I’d keep him here and be fifth choice, which with our crocks would see him on the bench often. He might get a few more games. He can play for the u23s when everyone is fit and train with the first team.

Gibson meanwhile, either he’s PL standard now, which I don’t think he is, and so don’t sign Tomori and play Gibson. Or, if he needs one more year of development, loan Gibson out to a championship club and see how he gets on. Tomori on loan for a season, even if he does well, would just be a stop gap as it’s Gibson we want in our team in 12 months time, with Branthwaite then loaned out, unless he’s suddenly matured exponentially.

Sure, if Tomori does well and we can sign him, then sell Michael Keane and keep Tomori.

Kieran Kinsella
67 Posted 08/09/2020 at 22:34:35

Braithwaite did well considering his age and lack of experience. But in reality those were dead rubbers. I’m not sure it would be fair to utilize him from the get go for the new season and with Minas injury record that is likely what would happen.

Geoff Lambert
68 Posted 08/09/2020 at 22:40:25
James! Gibson has not played Champions league football or a full England international. And does not have the premier league experience of Tomori.
Phil (Kelsall) Roberts
69 Posted 08/09/2020 at 22:41:40
Why aren't we trying to loan Gibson out to a lower level Premiership team?

Newcastle? Burnley? Palace? Brighton?
Why do our players always have to go to a lower league?

Andrew Ellams
70 Posted 08/09/2020 at 22:47:37
Mark, Bolasie played as a sub in pre season games vs Blackpool and Preston. Zouma started Cheleas last 7 competitive games (maybe more, I stopped looking after 7) including the FA Cup Final. He's not going anywhere.
Steve Ferns
71 Posted 08/09/2020 at 22:53:50
Phil, you want him to do well. He needs to be at a top Championship side who are playoffs or above, winning games and developing confidence.

I think getting tonked every week and going down with Fulham wouldn’t be as good for his development. Sure he’d learn from playing against PL attackers, but he’d lose confidence from losing every week.

Tom Bowers
72 Posted 08/09/2020 at 23:25:06
If Tomori comes it will be a big plus for the defensive side of Everton's game. Then they need some much needed additional fire power unless some miracle happens with what we have already.
Mike Corcoran
73 Posted 08/09/2020 at 23:26:35
How about a cheeky bid for Micky Batshit offa dat Chelsea?
Mike Doyle
74 Posted 08/09/2020 at 23:31:08
Interesting thing about Tomori is his pace. This lad is quick - which makes playing a higher defensive line a definite option.
Stephen Vincent
75 Posted 09/09/2020 at 00:30:22
Fran #63. Mason played less than 20 games for WBA, most those at right back, how did that help? Ben White played more than 40 games for Leeds all in the position he plays for his parent club. Leeds were desperate to keep him, WBA made no attempt to keep Mason. I would argue that Mason made it in spite of his loan not because of it.

How many lads have we sent out on loan who have returned to be first team regulars?

If we had option to buy Tomori, that's different but with Thiago just on a one year deal there is little chance of that.

Chris Mason
76 Posted 09/09/2020 at 00:59:53
Good discussion on here about CB options. Steve Ferns might be right about tomori and Gibson/Branthwaite, would make a massive difference to our P/L not to need to recruit next season. And selling Keane then for a decent sum might make sense.

I’ve changed my view on RB. I think JJK has earned a season compete for Coleman’s position, he is coming off the back of a full season and will improve this year. We can focus on another keeper and is one is available, a striker to push Calvert Lewin.

I’d also keep Bernard, Iwobi, Siggy and Gomes for the season to see if the new side raises their game, and get shot of Walcott, Delph and Tosun (when fit). And Besic Sandro and Bolasie too.

Si Cooper
77 Posted 09/09/2020 at 02:48:31
Don’t think the argument that he must be useless otherwise we wouldn’t be offered him on loan stacks up. We are not going to be loaned players unless there is some potential benefit to the parent club. It’s got to be win-win even when it isn’t a set-up for the player to be sold. I think we fit the bill as not too threatening but good enough to help to develop the lad.
I’m hopeful for some silverware and, with luck, top six but top 4 seems a step too far this season. Tomori might help us take some points off some of the current top six but I’m sure Lampard wouldn’t expect us to be surpassing Chelsea in the very near future.
I agree top of the Championship would be better for our loanees rather than bottom of Prem. You could throw a blanket over a group of mid table Prem teams so we definitely don’t want to bolster them.
I think Leeds will consider themselves as suitable for ambitious young players; would West Brom ever have had a chance of retaining Holgate if we didn’t give them the come-on.
Alan J Thompson
78 Posted 09/09/2020 at 04:25:52
Not too sure about a 1 year loan and would prefer a loan with an option to transfer permanently.
Bob Parrington
79 Posted 09/09/2020 at 05:27:48
Chris@76. Near the mark on my own thoughts, particularly in the 3rd paragraph. Good chance that the company of the 3 cultured signings will help lift the performance of Bernard, Iwobi and maybe Sigurdsson. Gomes should stay regardless. Players finding space with good anticipation and running off the ball will suit Gomes. Occasionally (maybe too often) he has been caught in possession because no team mate has made a pass available.

From watching Bayern Munich, PSG, Athletico and Barca during the Euro finals stages, the most outstanding thing to me was the tireless, off-the-ball movement of just about every player. Last season most of our players were like statues in Trafalgar Square.

Jerome Shields
80 Posted 09/09/2020 at 08:27:00
Ancelotti will be expecting better play and distribution from the back in support of the midfield. I agree that there was poor interlinking play in midfield, with players not available for a pass and a lot of unchallenged backward and sideways passing, which will need to change now.

Ancelotti won't be happy with defensive players playing deep and the days of a player static covering in front of the defence are gone. Both Mina and Keane can get caught on the turn and prefers to play in front of them. Keane at least stays fit, and makes himself available for play.

But equally the forward line need to improve interlinking play, particularly pass completion in the final third which is one of the worst in the league, and finishing. This can be characterised by the difference in play between Kean and Calvert-Lewin on the last day of the season. Richarlison coming deep will not suffice either. Position play in front of goal needs to improve, particularly attacking the near post with other forwards providing other correct positional options, is a must.

Everton need additions in both defence and attack to complement the additions in midfield to have maximum impact. There is also the Pickford question, which has not gone away.

Brands also has to continue with his key role of reducing the wages % and making a surplus on transferred-out players, to address Everton's financial weaknesses.

Moshiri needs to get a grip on Everton's commercial operations. No wonder Rodrigeuz's image rights delayed the transfer, they are 30% of his value. Need a big step up from Blue balloons and news releases on EitC, with aspect views of the new Stadium.

Andrew Ellams
81 Posted 09/09/2020 at 09:02:53
Well, it appears that he's relinquished his Chelsea squad number to Kai Havertz so is surely going somewhere.
Brian Murray
82 Posted 09/09/2020 at 09:21:27
I know it's all ifs. But if Tomori signs and proves himself here it will be a different scenario than Zouma as in he will want to stay here because there's no way Lampard can guarantee him anything except the bench. Could be the best signing of the lot.

The commercial and marketing part of the club needs also to be addressed and not miss this marvellous opportunity we have with Colombia and maybe South America itself. We as usual totally missed the trick after Tim Howard's heroics in a World Cup. Even The President Obama mentioned Tim as a hero at the time.

With that in mind, the likes of Little Miss Dynamite and her emotional boss are not at the level we need. Time to act and think big, Mr Moshiri!

Sam Hoare
83 Posted 09/09/2020 at 09:32:48
Another good thing about Tomori is that I don't think he is necessarily weaker than any of the Chelsea centre-backs. I'd rate Rudiger, Zouma, Christensen and Tomori as all pretty similar, as do a lot of Chelsea fans. So it's not like we are taking their 'outcast'.

I'd never usually want to train up a player who belongs to a rival but with us bringing in a whole new midfield I think he offers a very sensible stop-gap before addressing the defense more next summer.

Andrew Ellams
84 Posted 09/09/2020 at 09:35:20
Sam, I've seen links to Wesley Fofana from St Etienne over the past couple of days. As my knowledge of most European leagues is close to zero, is he a potential option?

He is only 19 still.

Sam Hoare
85 Posted 09/09/2020 at 10:11:48
Andrew, yes, he looks a real player to me. very young obviously but tall, quick and powerful; much like his St Etienne teammate Saliba who I think may prove to be an excellent capture for Arsenal (once him and Gabriel are settled they may just have one of the best centre-back pairings in the league).

I think Leicester have been bidding for Fofana. He will likely cost £20m+ and I can't see us spending that (unless we sell Keane or Mina). But if he stays another year at St. Etienne and continues to do well, he could be a good target next summer, though he's not left-footed.

Tony Everan
86 Posted 09/09/2020 at 10:15:34
With Tomori, the negatives narrowly outweigh the positives without the option to buy.

Do you start a player who is going back to Chelsea before one of our own, especially in the latter stages of the season. What does that do to a player's mindset and focus? Do you have the same commitment to a player who will be off to a rival soon.

Does that player fully commit to us? If we are playing him and he is gelling and forming a great partnership with say Mason Holgate, then goes back to Chelsea, how does that help us or Holgate? We're back to square one and trying to start forging a new partnership that may not bear fruit.

There's no question we need a centre-back player like him with pace, and as Sam above says he is not far off par with Chelsea's other defenders. But without the option to buy, however high that is (even if it's £20M), I would rather we looked at other options and if they turned out to be excellent acquisitions we can keep them.

Kevin Prytherch
87 Posted 09/09/2020 at 10:24:31
If he is signed as back-up, then a 1-year loan is excellent. He won't be first choice all season, but we are only ever 1 injury away from having a severely depleted centre-back line. With Mina, that is very likely at some point this season.

It also allows us to get regular game time for Branthwaite and Gibson who, hopefully, will then be ready to be 4th or 5th choice next season, or possibly even 3rd or 4th choice.

If he's coming on the promise of being a regular without a buying option, then it's a poor deal.

Brian Harrison
88 Posted 09/09/2020 at 10:24:32
I thought we had learned the lesson from taking Zouma on loan: top clubs do not bring in loan players as they know its fraught with danger.

Should the player play well the club that loaned him take him back, or if he has played well but the club who loaned him don't want him back, then they have all the cards stacked in their favour and ask a lot more for the player.

You can't build a long term structure by bringing in loan players; either buy him or don't bother. At this moment we have Holgate, Keane, Mina and Branthwaite why do we need to loan another centre-back???

Andrew Ellams
89 Posted 09/09/2020 at 10:29:01
Brian, as stated by a couple of people above, it can help our long term plans. We have two young centre-backs who aren't ready for regular first-team exposure yet so bringing in a stop-gap for a year without the burden of a transfer fee means Gibson and Branthwaite can carry on developing.
Paul McCoy
90 Posted 09/09/2020 at 10:32:32
Not sure about this one. It's going to be Zouma all over again. Tomori will come in, do an excellent job, then swan off back to a team who should be one of our rivals as a better player.

Holgate came on leaps and bounds when he was needed due to injuries. Branthwaite looks like a player who can do the same. Why not give Gibson some game time as well? We should develop our own youth prospects, not Chelsea's.

Brian Williams
91 Posted 09/09/2020 at 10:34:11
Brian, thing is we're not a top club at the moment and haven't been for some time so we have to do what we can to become one again.

I can see where you're coming from but I think any further incomings will be loans only, and this one and hopefully one more, will assist us in a season where we have to improve but can't actually afford to buy any more players.

If Tomori plays well for us then surely that's a good thing. I know we may be merely developing him for Chelsea but, if he helps our season go well, then it's a win-win.

As I said, I don't think we can buy any more players, certainly not without offloading a good number, so this can be good for us.

Craig Walker
92 Posted 09/09/2020 at 10:48:51
I disagree about the loan system being bad. I admit it isn't great if the player performs well but what if he doesn't do well in an Everton shirt?

I wish we'd only loaned Michael Keane, for example, instead of stumping up a big fee and putting pressure on the lad.

We've used the load system to our advantage in the past. McBride, Yobo, Donovan, Lukaku, Barry, Zouma etc.

Sam Hoare
93 Posted 09/09/2020 at 10:50:24
Given that Holgate is now injured (potentially for a few months) and Mina is always quite injury prone, not bringing in a new CB would leave us with Keane and Gibson/Branthwaite.

2 issues with that. First is that Keane's lack of pace forces us to play a very deep line. That's not ideal and we saw how it went after the restart. Second is that neither Branthwaite or Gibson are ready to start alot of game in the PL. Yes, Branthwaite looked ok during a short spell when we mainly sat deep but before that he's only had 9 games in league 2! I don't think asking an 18 year old with such limited experience to potentially start a whole bunch of games in the PL is helpful for him or us if we have top 7 aspirations.

If Holgate were not injured (and Mina not injury prone) it may be a different situation but I think having some experienced cover and allowing Branthwaite and/or Gibson a loan to the championship would be preferable.

Brian Harrison
94 Posted 09/09/2020 at 10:52:54
Brian 90,

I actually think Tomori is as good as any of the Chelsea centre-backs. If he was coming here on loan with us being able to buy him at the end of the season for an agreed price, then I don't have a problem.

I posted on the Doucouré thread that even before we purchased anyone our wages to income was standing at over 80% and with the 3 additions, very welcome as they are, no club can sustain a business where wages against income is so high.

As for us not being a top club, I agree on the pitch we have been a very average middle of the league side. But our expenditure is in the top 6 clubs in the country since Moshiri took over, and he has been let down very badly by our last 4 managers.

Bobby Mallon
95 Posted 09/09/2020 at 12:37:46
Andrew @89 and anyone else, why is Branthwaite not ready to play regularly. He’s young, fit, quick and can pick a pass with the best of them. Surely playing him will only make him better.
Robert Tressell
96 Posted 09/09/2020 at 12:58:10
I'm a bit torn on this.

I do appreciate that we're light at centre half. Especially on the sort of players that can squeeze up the play. And even more so with Holgate out for (?) a month or two.

However, Gibson is 20. He needs games to progress. The injury to Holgate is a big opportunity for him. Branthwaite had a really good run of games at the end of last season too. I know he's very, very young but he was outstanding at times. Both will make mistakes because of inexperience. But both are also beyond the standard of the U23s so either we use them as first team players / cover or loan them.

On balance I'd rather keep both in the first team squad till Xmas. If its not working then get a short term fix in January - and give them loan opportunities to help get past the mistakes.

James Fletcher
97 Posted 09/09/2020 at 13:04:49
Given that we're only one more CB injury away from a bit of a crisis I think this is a sensible loan so long as it doesn't hinder the progress of Branthwaite and Gibson
Stephen Vincent
98 Posted 09/09/2020 at 13:54:43
If I was going to take a young defender from Chelsea it would be Reece James. He's big strong played 30 odd games last season, plays right back but can play CB and we would have a better chance of signing him permanently.
Jamie Crowley
99 Posted 09/09/2020 at 14:04:15
David Chait -

I don't want another centre-back... unless it is some very established one and we are selling. This drops Gibson and Branthwaite down the list and blocks their path.
I would rather we back the kids and give them a path to the first team. Honestly if we buy another centre-back then just sell one of Gibson or Branthwaite in my opinion.

I concur. The money is better spent elsewhere. Or actually saved and not spent at all.

Now if they are shipping out one of Holgate (fucking better not), Keane, or Mina, then fine. But otherwise, don't execute this deal please.

But whatevs. They'll do what they do. Not my money. Just don't run out of dough and I'm ok with it.

Robert Tressell
100 Posted 09/09/2020 at 14:04:36
Reece James is an outstanding player. I think he's their first choice RB now?
Ray Said
101 Posted 09/09/2020 at 14:34:49
I think it looks like a decent and low cost, low risk option as he can cover rightback, is pacey and having 5 or 6 CBs gives us the option to play three at the back when the situation demands particularly bearing in mind Mina's injury record
Aiden Doyle
102 Posted 09/09/2020 at 15:10:19
Anyone who thinks that "top clubs do not bring in loan players" needs a gentle reminder that this season's Champions League Final saw Bayern Munich beat Paris Saint-Germain.

Bayern's squad included Ivan Perišić, Álvaro Odriozola and Philippe Coutinho on loan, as well as Kingsley Coman who originally joined on a loan basis.

PSG have a squad which features Sergio Rico, Mauro Icardi & Kylian Mbappé, all of whom first arrived on loan.

Jimmy Digney
103 Posted 09/09/2020 at 15:20:09
Remember, it appears Carlo, with the last three signings, has gone for experience. And all are internationals, yet people on here saying give Branthwaite (how old? – 20) and Gibson (how old? – 18) the two centre-back positions.

Why undermine his thinking of hopefully world class players doing their stuff straight away, only for the young kids to let him down, whilst obviously not ready for the big step-up? They play against Preston and Blackpool and some of the comments about how good they are. Come on... a reality check needed, hey.

Derek Knox
104 Posted 09/09/2020 at 16:34:52
Doesn't look like it will happen today, probably Tomori! :-)
David Pearl
105 Posted 09/09/2020 at 16:47:20
Hope you're ready for the ToffeeWeb Golf International Tomori Derek!
David Pearl
106 Posted 09/09/2020 at 17:12:35
You're Joke has killed the thread Derek..
Neil Copeland
107 Posted 09/09/2020 at 17:15:31
Oh no it hasnt
Derek Knox
108 Posted 09/09/2020 at 17:17:12
Of course, I'll give you a bull, a black and a stroke start!

Have I got my games mixed up? :-)

Rob Halligan
109 Posted 09/09/2020 at 17:20:20
Derek, I can't see Tomari signing for us, because "Tomari Never Comes".
David Pearl
110 Posted 09/09/2020 at 17:27:04
Your (geez).
At least its not about fish this time!
Mike Gaynes
111 Posted 09/09/2020 at 17:30:21
No, Rob, he's Always A Day Away.
Joe McMahon
112 Posted 09/09/2020 at 17:35:15
Maybe we should loan far more of our Academy players out. Then we will know sooner if they aren't upto the standard we require. Chelsea have done it for years.
Frank Crewe
113 Posted 09/09/2020 at 17:36:35
"top clubs do not bring in loan players"

Bayern Munich had James Rodriguez on loan for two seasons. D'oh!!

Dave Williams
114 Posted 09/09/2020 at 17:43:31
Great move. A good young and quick player for the cost of a loan fee- we don’t know whether Gibson is ready and I don’t think Branthwaite is yet.
We can’t keep lashing out money so a loan is a sensible option. We do not of course know what else Carlo and Brands might be looking for- there could be a winger or a striker yet to come.
John Pierce
115 Posted 09/09/2020 at 17:45:06
Why would we sign a Womble?
David Pearl
116 Posted 09/09/2020 at 17:47:18
Because they make good use of the things that they find.
Joe McMahon
117 Posted 09/09/2020 at 17:50:22
True Frank, Man United also had Carlos Tevez on a 2 year loan, and at the time they were still one of the best teams in Europe.
Ray Roche
118 Posted 09/09/2020 at 17:50:56
Terms agreed, Tomori on his way north for a medical.
Gary Willock
119 Posted 09/09/2020 at 17:54:44
Bayern just loaned Cuntinho, who helped them win the champions league. Let's just have faith in Carlo - if he feels Gibson and Branthwaite arent ready, then who the feck am I to argue!!! ICWT, COYBBs!!
John Pierce
120 Posted 09/09/2020 at 17:57:12
On balance if we didn’t get a quick defender in I’d still play a suicidal high line. It would ruin Keane and probably Mina too but the positives doing so outweighs the ineptitude of these carthorses. Although big Yerry can dance so that’s at least something.

Faced with the prospect of eroding their confidence or reducing the influence of our very potent front players I’ll take the former. It may take a bit of we’ll score more than you but sitting deep. However, asking our better players to make it happen deep inside their own half is a recipe for disaster. We’ve seen it last season and we were impotent from open play only our set piece prowess saved us.

I hope with better players, we control games in the opposing half and place less emphasis on defending. I’m still of a mind to ask for Stones on loan, perfect for the team, a chance to rehabilitate a player I loved and hated in equal measure!

All three incomings are strong on the ball, it’s far less likely we’ll turn it over, get ruined in transition, so Keane and Mina better suit up and deal with it!

Or we just loan Tomori. 😆

John Pierce
121 Posted 09/09/2020 at 17:57:44
Nice David, nice.
Stephen Vincent
122 Posted 09/09/2020 at 18:11:20
Robert #100, they have Azpilicuetta who is club captain and they brought Zapacosta back from his loan at Roma, but they seem to have 3 really good players,for every position, quite depressing really.
Steven Astley
123 Posted 09/09/2020 at 18:26:54
Seeing lots of rumours online that Zaha has said he WANTS to come to us.
Dan Nulty
124 Posted 09/09/2020 at 18:48:57
Don't believe it Steven. Media nonsense because we've spent a fair bit again and no one else seems to be doing much this week.

Lozano on loan much more realistic.

Steven Astley
125 Posted 09/09/2020 at 18:50:41
Dan, its mainly coming from Everton Fan Site twitter feeds
Dan Nulty
126 Posted 09/09/2020 at 18:52:20
Who want likes and followers on social 'media'
Will Mabon
127 Posted 09/09/2020 at 18:56:34

Interesting to hear Zaha's relationship with Bolasie and his opinion of him as a player, if you can get through the rest to hear it.

Will Mabon
128 Posted 09/09/2020 at 18:56:57
Tony Everan
129 Posted 09/09/2020 at 20:14:28
Agree with Dan, Lozano on loan will be discussed with Napoli, and is much more likely. Zaha is trickier as we won’t be offering much money for him. If Palace are open to a straight swap for a couple of our fringe players then it could be good business.

As we already have our priority signings in the bag, and may have the chance to get Lozano in on loan, we won’t be held to ransom by Palace like last season.

Si Cooper
130 Posted 10/09/2020 at 00:27:14
Robert (100) - I’d agree. Barely puts a foot wrong from what I’ve seen. Is he English? If so I think he will have eclipsed TAA in a couple of years, although TAA could stay relevant by playing in front of him.
Robert Tressell
131 Posted 10/09/2020 at 08:11:48
Si he is English. He could play centre half or defensive midfield too. Just looks an absolute class act. Azpiculeta is the senior pro at Chelsea but Reece James already looks the superior player.
Chris Mason
132 Posted 10/09/2020 at 10:55:10
Reading in the Athletic today that the Tomori loan is held up while Chelsea faff about deciding what to do.
Kunal Desai
133 Posted 10/09/2020 at 11:04:19
I suggest we move on, don't wanna a similar situation like we had with Zouma last summer. There must be alternative targets we have identified.
Graham Lloyd
134 Posted 10/09/2020 at 11:15:42
Curious to know if John Stones would be a popular figure to return for the blues. Certainly not known for his pace but I wouldn't mind him back in a blue shirt if he was cheap.
Grant Rorrison
135 Posted 10/09/2020 at 11:18:35
Graham 134. Think we've got enough midfield options now.
Joe Corgan
136 Posted 10/09/2020 at 11:26:19
From Alan Myers just now:

“Everton are continuing discussions with Chelsea regarding a loan deal  for Fikayo Tomori

Carlo Ancelotti is looking to bring in cover for the centre half positions, however Tomori is not the only option being considered with up to three possible targets being looked at”

Craig Walker
137 Posted 10/09/2020 at 11:28:58
I'm not a fan of John Stones, Graham. I think his problem is that he thinks he's a lot better than he is. It seems to me that Man City do better when he's not in the side as well. I like footballing centre-halves but he takes too many risks and isn't good enough at defending, in my opinion. I wasn't too disappointed when he left. His performance at Anfield when Martinez took him off and he said afterwards he was unwell was completely shambolic. I remember being more disappointed when Lescott went to Man City. I thought the sale of Stones was good business by Everton.
Philip McKeown
138 Posted 10/09/2020 at 11:42:46
I would rather have Per Kroldrup than Michael Keane.

Get this done please

Peter Askins
139 Posted 10/09/2020 at 11:48:55
I don't know if anybody has mentioned it here, but Keane back to Burnley when Tarkowski is sold by them to West Ham / Leicester would be great business all round, assuming we get Tomori in on loan.

Keane arguably played his best football at Burnley under Sean Dyche, so could well be up for a return, to resume his partnership at CB with Ben Mee.

Kunal Desai
140 Posted 10/09/2020 at 11:54:49
Keane signed a 5 year deal last month. He is not going anywhere for now.
Tony Everan
141 Posted 10/09/2020 at 12:03:43
Graham 134

Not enough pace for the defender we need. Not resilient or strong enough either. As Craig says, Man City look more solid without him. I'd rather have Tomori, hopefully with an option to buy. I think Branthwaite will be a better all round defender than John Stones in the not too distant future.

Tom Bowers
142 Posted 10/09/2020 at 12:25:34
Have to agree Stones has not reached the heights that were expected of him and is an average player these days especially when you think the likes of Gomes and Dier can get in the England squad ahead of him even allowing for Southgate's strange selections.
James Newcombe
143 Posted 10/09/2020 at 12:56:48
Keane > Mina
Colin Glassar
144 Posted 10/09/2020 at 17:10:34
This looks like it’s not going to happen so let’s not waste any more time and move on.

Also looks like Juventus want Kean back (or Raiola wants some money) so if that’s the case, £30m plus development compo.

I thought we weren’t going to deal with this scumbag anymore after insulting us over the Lukaku transfer to Utd?

Vijay Nair
145 Posted 10/09/2020 at 17:42:15
Lampard has come out to say he wants Tomori to stay and fight for his place in the squad. So as Colin has said above, let's move on. We don't want another Zouma saga...
Mark Andersson
146 Posted 10/09/2020 at 19:42:42
Debate all you like folks but you have no say or influence in who comes or goes..

But once again the points raised make for intersting reading.

Lets just hope we have a better season than the last few... but the synic in me says it will go tits up. Its already started with Holgate injury..

To think I use to be a glass half full.

Tony Everan
147 Posted 10/09/2020 at 20:04:33
Rumours Milik’s move to Roma from Napoli has fallen through.

If Moise Kean he is adamant he is going back to Juve we should use the money towards signing Milik. A month ago I would have said there was no chance of him coming to Everton, but now I think he just might have an interest in what is going on here under Carlo Ancelotti. Tottenham are after him though so it will be difficult.

A striker of that quality coming to Everton just coming into his prime years would definitely put the cat amongst pigeons with regards to the Sky 6. The group would have to be renamed.

Derek Knox
148 Posted 11/09/2020 at 12:50:05
Mark@146, " To think I use to be a glass half full." would that be a glass of Milik?

If these rumours as Tony said have any substance, regarding Kean going back to Italy, and paving the way for some sort of deal, then bring it on.

Like most on here I was made-up when we landed a coveted young talent that was hot property in the eyes of many Clubs, but apart from the racist issues, where Evertonians have been more than welcoming to him, he hasn't gelled.

Add to that the infrequent starts and limited substitutions from the bench, maybe the staff (who see him on a daily basis at FF too) don't rate him that highly either.

Then there's the off the field issues, where he has displayed Baliotelli-esque behaviour on several occasions. He has had long enough to settle in now and that talent hasn't surfaced often enough to warrant keeping him for another season, mostly as a bench warmer again. So I would welcome a fresh striker to get the pot really boiling.

Tony Everan
149 Posted 12/09/2020 at 08:57:15
It's all gone a bit quiet on the Tomori loan, it seemed like it was going to happen midweek. Are we pushing for an option to buy to be included?

Tomori wants to come here, him and his agent may be happy to include one but Chelsea are not entertaining it. As by the next window we could be more of a direct threat to them and have the option to buy a young defender that has improved us.

Or maybe it is about the high valuation Chelsea are putting on such an option. It could explain the hold-up.

Chris Mason
150 Posted 12/09/2020 at 23:56:53
I imagine Lampard has no need to rush getting him out the door, seeing how his first choice CB pairing fare in the first match. Also we would he rush into potentially strengthening a rival club?
Alan J Thompson
151 Posted 13/09/2020 at 07:06:53
I'm a little bit bemused by the idea that loans won't be arranged with clubs that may seen as strengthening a direct rival. If that player does strengthen a rival but won't be allowed to play against his parent club then might that not be seen as of greater benefit? That is, you weaken and disrupt a team when you play them but will be stronger against your other rivals. Heads you do, tails you don't, I suppose.
Soren Moyer
152 Posted 13/09/2020 at 13:47:11
I don't think we should loan any player from any PL club. If we think he's good enough then we should purchase him for a reasonable price. If not then we should move on to our NEXT target!
Len Hawkins
153 Posted 14/09/2020 at 10:53:09
If Keane was injured or transferred would Tom and Yeri be the centre back pairing pity we don't play the Canaries this year.
Dave Abrahams
154 Posted 14/09/2020 at 11:24:48
Peter (139), that would be a good deal for Everton, particularly if we got most of our money back on Keane.

Mina makes me anxious defending, Keane makes me me very,very anxious, how long is Holgate likely to be out for, he is going to be missed with those two at the back, we played well but I couldn’t relax with those two at the back even though Spurs didn’t press us with much energy, although Allan and Doucouré helped tremendously to subdue many Spurs attacking movements,we have certainly improved the area which concerned most of us,now get the centre back position sorted out.

Tony Everan
155 Posted 14/09/2020 at 12:24:21
Any of our ToffeeWeb scouts watched the Brazilian Centre Back Gleison Bremer at Torino ?

A few rumours that we are looking at him, is he good enough for us?

Robert Tressell
156 Posted 14/09/2020 at 13:11:04
Tony - don't know much about Bremer. He's not had the same attention as Gabriel and is one of about half a dozen Brazilian CBs of his generation playing at a very good standard. He doesn't seem to be particularly courted by others looking to upgrade their CBs. Assuming there's some credence to the rumour it might be that he's very fast. That's currently what we're missing although yesterday showed how a well organised back 4 with good midfield protection can manage without exceptional pace (although it might get us a bit higher up the pitch at home).
Stephen Vincent
157 Posted 14/09/2020 at 20:21:51
Tomori not even on the bench for Chelsea tonight.
Tony Everan
158 Posted 14/09/2020 at 20:29:02
Hopefully he is coming to Finch Farm tomorrow for his medical in the morning for a year's loan, with a £25M option to buy clause. Of the defenders we have been linked with, he seems the best option.

Alan Johnson
159 Posted 15/09/2020 at 10:37:44
Gareth Bale???
Mike Manchester
160 Posted 15/09/2020 at 10:40:20
If we signed Gareth Bale, I may well pass out with excitement
David Pearl
161 Posted 15/09/2020 at 11:23:58
They have to stay fit but I liked the pairing on Sunday, particularly what was in front of them. So if anyone young does comes in they'd be on the bench.

I would prefer a striker to put pressure on Richarlison/Dominic. If we have James creating or playing in 5 chances a game and non are converted that will come back to bite us. Not being able to control a through ball and losing that chance, not being able to shoot on target... hmm. I can't see any changes to the starting 11 over the next few prem games. We have enough cover elsewhere. We wont be spending 300 grand a week to bring in Bale (of course if we do, we could break the top 4). I think the way we are set up Zaha could be an option, however that depends on his current club.

Dan Nulty
162 Posted 15/09/2020 at 15:13:16
Now linked with Bale but given him and Carlo had a falling out over his agent whinging to Perez that Bale should be played through the middle, I can't see this happening. Oh, and the stumbling block of his 600k weekly wages.
Alan Rodgers
163 Posted 16/09/2020 at 10:03:47
Holgate out for 3 months according to the Telegraph.
Tony Everan
164 Posted 16/09/2020 at 16:35:45
Yes Alan I read that, I thought a broken toe was 4-6 weeks so I was hoping the worst case he would be back in 3 or 4 weeks time. He must have been very unlucky with that injury. I hope he has a speedy recovery.

With games coming think and fast we could do with Tomori [or whoever they are after ] sooner rather than later.

Joe McMahon
165 Posted 16/09/2020 at 17:50:34
Dan, not to mention his injury record lately. He will end up at Spurs, and I hope it backfires.
Chris Mason
166 Posted 20/09/2020 at 03:38:21
Chelsea have signed the Rennes keeper and Tomori wasn’t involved in the trade so likely he’ll be on his way. I hope.
Steve Shave
167 Posted 20/09/2020 at 07:41:58
Let's hope so, Chris, though I can't help imagining what would have happened if we'd signed Gabriel! Imagine this team with Holgate and Gabriel at the back! Wow.

We need another centre-back, I can't see us buying one so this is a very sensible move. My only fear with it is that Lampard may now see us as real competition this season and not want to strengthen us.

Dan Nulty
168 Posted 20/09/2020 at 19:59:02
No way we get him now, Chelsea need him clearly.

We need to find centre backs and in time for weds.

Frank Crewe
169 Posted 20/09/2020 at 21:17:29
Forget Tomori. Let's go after Zouma again.
Dan Nulty
170 Posted 21/09/2020 at 07:40:27
Their pairing will be Zouma and Tomori if they have any sense
Jerome Shields
171 Posted 21/09/2020 at 08:15:45
Everton definitely need cover.
Dan Nulty
172 Posted 21/09/2020 at 09:03:57
We are going to be in a situation where Keane has played 5 games in 15 days at the weekend unless he gets a rest Weds.

Not sustainable and as much as I'm not a massive fan of either centre back we cannot afford another injury there. Will just derail the good start we've had. The other point is Zaha will be licking his lips at the space between Coleman and Mina on Saturday.

Tom Bowers
173 Posted 21/09/2020 at 23:09:07
It's apparent to all and Carlo that we cannot afford an injury to Mina or Keane right now especially as the Tomori deal seems to be a no go. Mina in particular seems to be a sick note player so let's keep our fingers crossed.

Palace have gotten 2 decent results but, let's face it, Man Utd just didn't show up on Sunday.

If Everton are the real deal, then they should take care of Palace.

Robert Tressell
174 Posted 23/09/2020 at 14:15:12
Rumours of Todibo again. In the circumstances, this may be a very good purchase. Tall, quick and agile, he can play in midfield too to cover Doucouré at a push.
Sam Hoare
175 Posted 23/09/2020 at 14:36:14
Beat me to it, Robert! A loan for Todibo with a purchase price around the £20M mark makes sense I think.

He's a very raw player but has some fantastic attributes. He's not really played enough in the last few years but at best he could be like Rio Ferdinand; quick, agile and supremely (over?) confident on the ball. Needs to bulk up a bit but definitely has the raw materials.

At worst he's John Stones on a bad day.

Him being able to double up at defensive midfield gives us a bit more cover. I think he could probably do a job at right-back as well if needed. He'd have some mistakes in him though. In some ways, I'd prefer Adarabaiyo who's played a whole heap more over the last 2 years. Todiob has greater potential though.

Robert Tressell
176 Posted 23/09/2020 at 19:23:52
Touched on the same subject on the Gibson loan thread, Sam.

Todibo is probably the best fit for what we need out of those linked. Loan with option to buy would be good.

He is raw but the talent is there. He'd be really pushing for a first-team slot, not just back-up.

I did wonder whether Koeman might build afresh with him in the Barca defence – but I gather Steve Walsh has told him to go all out for Mustaphi and and Phil Jones.

Matt Traynor
177 Posted 23/09/2020 at 19:40:23
Tomori starts tonight in the Carabao Cup. So maybe not for us.

Funnily enough when I'm in my 3rd (soon to be 2nd) home, I see a lot of Cararbao. Generally passive and ignore you but I wouldn't want to piss one off.

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