The Telegraph and the Daily Mail both report that the Spaniard is being considered as a "shock" candidate to replace Carlo Ancelotti, who walked out on the Blues last week to rejoin Real Madrid.
Benitez has been out of work since leaving Chinese club Dalian Professional and hasn't managed in the Premier League since his challenging but generally underwhelming stint with Newcastle United between 2016 and 2019.
The 61-year-old has made no secret of his desire to return to managing in England and the fact that he still lives on Merseyside makes him an obvious target, if only to fill column inches as the club's search for a new head coach continues.
The suggestions in the media are that negotiations with Nuno Espirito Santo are proving to be "problematic" given his large backroom staff, the reason put forward by Crystal Palace for pulling the plug on their deal for the Portuguese.
David Moyes is also mentioned again as being an option but the reports claim that Farhad Moshiri won't jeopardise his good relationship with West Ham by muscling in on the Scot. Lille boss Christophe Galtier, Graham Potter and Roberto Martinez continue to be floated as alternatives.
Benitez's past association with Liverpool and his infamous "small club" jibe about Everton are seen by many Evertonians, however, as factors that would make his appointment as the Toffees' boss as a non-starter.
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1 Posted 09/06/2021 at 23:45:16
2 Posted 09/06/2021 at 23:51:44
3 Posted 10/06/2021 at 00:10:46
Feel ill just thinking about the possibility.
4 Posted 10/06/2021 at 00:24:56
Some good ones in there. A bunch I never heard of.
Anyway, my view is that the larger emphasis must be on signing young talent. We go nowhere without it, whoever the manager. Get the talent and it's the manager's job to plan strategy and game tactics according to the talent available.
This signing players yet another manager wants is getting us nowhere but stuck with unmovable contracts.
5 Posted 10/06/2021 at 00:29:55
6 Posted 10/06/2021 at 00:32:00
He would have no chance because the fans will not give him any patience including me.
Galtier is the man and the board would be well advised to avoid Benitez, Gerard or anyone else associated with Mordor.
7 Posted 10/06/2021 at 01:10:43
8 Posted 10/06/2021 at 01:11:07
I would disqualify him for the stupidity of zonal marking. Even when the RS were good, they gave up goals on set pieces. We finally got that Silva-installed weakness out of our defense and I don't ever want to see it again.
9 Posted 10/06/2021 at 01:12:44
10 Posted 10/06/2021 at 01:14:56
11 Posted 10/06/2021 at 02:03:23
"It has a certain way of operating and it should absolutely be utilised.
"I do not think it would do Duncan Ferguson any favour whatsoever to be given that role.
"You need to save him from himself. You would put a club hero into a position, it is like asking a one-legged man to run a 100m in ten seconds and then castigating him for not being able to do it.
"He does not have the toolkit and the skillset to be a manager capable of competing with the six or seven other managers."
12 Posted 10/06/2021 at 02:08:12
It won't even show that we are 'grown up' and magnanimous, on the contrary, it will only confirm his 'small club' jibe
It will end in even more tears than our other appointments.
13 Posted 10/06/2021 at 02:14:20
14 Posted 10/06/2021 at 02:37:48
No, we need a root and branch shake up of our players and progression not a ‘lets just settle period. Weve had too much of them.
15 Posted 10/06/2021 at 04:28:08
Some comments from their fans:
Rafa wasted millions, let players go who should have been eased into the team and while scouting missed some absolute gems at clubs he bought poor/average players from, he also missed the chance to sell players for decent money while their stock was high... and he scraped out of the championship with a huge budget and massive squad. then he played awful football and hardly progressed. hes considered World class. by who ?. not the Chinese
Rafa bought well to get us promoted, but after that even on a low budget he bought some garbage.
And on the other side of the fence:
Considering the financial constraints that were placed on him, I reckon Rafa did a bloody good job. Dubravka, Schar and Lejeune were his best signings, and, in my opinion, Matz Sels and Achraf Lazaar were his only complete duds - with an honourable mention going to the hapless Joselu.
Rafa done very well in the markets and the absolute bargains far outweigh the amount of duds.
Our keeper and defence was a steal when you take each player at cost v performances.
The biggest regret will always be not giving him the things he needed to do his job to the best of his ability.
As you say James he doesn't come across as a DOF type manager. I'd rather Potter/Gallardo/Galtier/Gasperini(unlikley) than him and that's without is RS affiliation
16 Posted 10/06/2021 at 05:19:17
Worst nightmare. Even worse than the one where I wake up sweating after seeing TGT getting a welcome back hug from Kenwright.
Where's that fucking hot dog seller ??????????????
17 Posted 10/06/2021 at 05:55:29
18 Posted 10/06/2021 at 06:01:17
Jeff #17, how about this guy for a Hobson's choice:
19 Posted 10/06/2021 at 06:05:21
20 Posted 10/06/2021 at 06:08:05
Anyone but him, even Moyes
21 Posted 10/06/2021 at 06:22:18
This one feels like it would also accommodate Duncan remaining in place I reckon.
I'm out with the dogs and have asked them. They seem to agree.
Devisive from the onset.
I'm going to talk to the dogs again. They calm me down.
22 Posted 10/06/2021 at 06:54:45
23 Posted 10/06/2021 at 07:13:16
Rafa's Glory days are over. I cannot see him bouncing back at his age.
Would prefer someone else.
Please not another 2 Seasons of misery.
This maybe speculation but I'm losing interest fast.
It would be a nice comfortable appointment for him as he lives in the area BUT what happens when someone is comfortable - They lose that edge.
24 Posted 10/06/2021 at 07:16:16
25 Posted 10/06/2021 at 07:18:24
26 Posted 10/06/2021 at 08:06:12
27 Posted 10/06/2021 at 08:06:33
28 Posted 10/06/2021 at 08:09:22
Thats no excuse for considering Rafa Beneathus! Look at the TW poll on this thread! Its like a mini Brexit vote! It would further divide our fan base. Terrible decision if made.
Options are slim pickings. Dont agree Duncan hasnt got the skill set. We wouldnt know. He probably doesnt know himself. Hed need the opportunity first.
Its got to be Brands decision. The manager has to work with Brands. Brands is effectively the managers boss. The non-football heads in the boardroom need to back off and concentrate on our poor commercial performances.
29 Posted 10/06/2021 at 08:24:31
30 Posted 10/06/2021 at 08:32:54
Bin him off and let the new manager do their job.
31 Posted 10/06/2021 at 08:33:04
From the poll list its Galtiers or Potter, but even then Im not convinced. We definitely need a strong manager in order to make it clear what is expected of the players especially at home.
32 Posted 10/06/2021 at 08:37:00
After this 18 months of turgid anti-football I couldn't stomach it all over again.
Let's have a hungry coach, full of attacking intent who plays man-for-man marking and gives the kids a chance.
33 Posted 10/06/2021 at 08:51:51
34 Posted 10/06/2021 at 09:00:50
His appointment would be along the lines of Carlo and one would have to ask what Brands function would be with him in charge. He might be thought of as a safe pair of hands this side of our move to BMD.
He would not be my choice, I am in the Galtier corner at this point in time but if he gets the job I will support him and hope that he does a good job and moves us forward.
I made a promise after the City game that I would give the forum a rest until August, then Carlo walks off the stage. I am hoping against hope that the the new manager will be appointed sooner rather than later so that I can take a break until August.
Not easy being a blue.
35 Posted 10/06/2021 at 09:15:59
I liked (past tense) Carlo as a man but following the disappointment of his departure I have come to realise that he favoured ageing players who seldom got me off my seat after September.
Rafa - there are waiter jobs in West Kirby.
Get someone whose footy gets us excited.
36 Posted 10/06/2021 at 09:16:14
37 Posted 10/06/2021 at 09:16:57
Would honestly say that if Benitez was installed as manager of Everton I would not and could not support them again until he had gone.
He is an average manager at best, lucky to win the champions league with only an AC Milan team who thought they had already won it and a stand out performance from Gerard to save him and only a poor FA cup win and poor super league win to his name while at Liverpool
FA Cup: 2005–06
FA Community Shield: 2006
UEFA Champions League: 2004–05; runner-up: 2006–07
UEFA Super Cup: 2005
Yes he has won other things ( very few ) around Europe but he is a dull, defensive, average manager who would make our club a bigger laughing stock than it already is.
we must have bigger and better ideas than him.
38 Posted 10/06/2021 at 09:22:03
39 Posted 10/06/2021 at 09:24:52
I do however feel Duncan needs to manage a league 1 or Championship team first before being considered for Everton. It looks like Unsworth obviously wants to stay at U23s for rest of his life. Lee Carsley, Gerrard, Lee Bowyer, Lampard, Rooney, Barton, should be a model for them both, learning the hot seat away from your comfort zone.
40 Posted 10/06/2021 at 09:26:37
Martinez when the Euros are over. He won't want to destabilise Belgium by linking himself with the job currently.
Just a thought that keeps popping into my head.
41 Posted 10/06/2021 at 09:29:14
Benitez? Jesus weeps.
42 Posted 10/06/2021 at 09:29:46
When the final appoinment is made, the board can then say "We interviewed a number of excellent candidates, before we decided that "Mr X", best suited our needs at this time.
No-one can then say "but "So and so" was available, and we never even gave him an interview".
This appointment, when it happens, will be the "no stone unturned", one.
43 Posted 10/06/2021 at 09:33:04
Duncan would be in a position where he isn't just reacting to the club being in trouble and he would be able to start with a clean slate, if he fails, it would put to bed once and for all his suitability for the job, but if he succeeds Goodison would be bouncing.
The club wasn't expecting to be choosing a manager at this point in time, so why not carry on with Duncan at the helm?
44 Posted 10/06/2021 at 09:33:30
Why would he want to come manage a SMALL CLUB.
Oh yes, I know why. Load of money…
Oh and no doubt he would take pleasure in getting us relegated.
NEVER EVER BENITEZ.
45 Posted 10/06/2021 at 09:34:19
Id have Moyes, Martinez or even Silva back over him.
Does anyone seriously want mr Duo San Miguel? Calls us a small club then expects to bleed the club dry with a nice retirement salary.
46 Posted 10/06/2021 at 09:35:37
We have a Director of Football in Brands who should be in control of transfers with an eye on the long-term stability of the club( not sure if he's up to the job because we don't know which transfers were his ideas and which either Ancelotti, Kenwright or Moshri)
Having created this structure the owner should allow it to work i.e Brands should get who he wants as Head Coach and if it doesnt work then he should go.
The logic therefore is to bring in a man with great coaching and man management skills who is comfortable to work within the structure. Can the candidates converse multi-linqually, surely a must in today's football?
Not sure about Galtiers lingual abilities but from what I have read he appears to meet what we need.
47 Posted 10/06/2021 at 09:36:49
Get Galtier in while he is still available and put us out of our misery. Im trying to take a break from football, so will you just get on with it!
48 Posted 10/06/2021 at 09:38:29
great and sometimes not so great times. But If Benitez is appointed It will be pipe and slippers for me. I thought the talk of Moyes was bad enough but I would give him a piggy back ride up to Goodison if it stopped Benitez coming.
49 Posted 10/06/2021 at 09:44:44
Nuno wants all his group huggers with him so Duncan would be forced out. That would be a red line for Boys Pen Billy. He's a No.
Martinez and Ginge the Minge would be seen by Moshiri as Bill's pawns in his fight to regain total control. So he's a No.
Conte would scare the the luvvies shitless. So he's a No.
Dyche has signed a 3-year extension with Burnley. So he's a no.
That, basically, leaves Galtier and Potter. Thank Christ I'm not making the final decision.
50 Posted 10/06/2021 at 10:01:04
We still have Bill living in the past, like many fans. EFC is not a powerhouse anymore. Personally I'd like any manager at EFC that has a dig at rivals. We as fans haven't been able to dish it out for decades, as we haven't had anything to dish out.
51 Posted 10/06/2021 at 10:06:53
52 Posted 10/06/2021 at 10:11:33
He'd be an awful appointment.
He's arrogant. When results fail he blames not being able to sign X, y z. He plays dull football. He hasn't won anything in years, and hasn't even been at a half decent club in about a decade.
53 Posted 10/06/2021 at 10:12:27
54 Posted 10/06/2021 at 10:15:32
55 Posted 10/06/2021 at 10:17:04
Should Moshiri lose all sense of pride and appoint this obnoxious man then I wont step foot in Goodison till he has left. My Son tells me that on Andy Grays podcast he interviewed Joe Royle who has expressed similar sentiments to mine.
56 Posted 10/06/2021 at 10:26:02
I expect after much agonising by the Board another up and coming managerial talent will be appointed, given a warm welcome amid talk of a new era project, only to fail after eighteen months of up and down results.
57 Posted 10/06/2021 at 10:28:44
For now I'd be happy with Hasenhuettl.. though the Saints would probably not want that scenario once more.. Surely there are young and exciting managers out there other than the usual candidates. A bit of stability and plenty of ability for the love of God please.. and soon.
58 Posted 10/06/2021 at 10:29:00
59 Posted 10/06/2021 at 10:34:33
60 Posted 10/06/2021 at 10:34:57
His main claim to fame was to tinker with Houlliers team and some how win the battle of the negative bottlers; Ancelotti Vs Benitez...I mean jeez, he played the busted flush that was Kewell as a starter.
Then we get to the Small Club jibe - Nah, he and Moshiri, if he signs off in it, can both fuck off.
61 Posted 10/06/2021 at 10:43:12
We are no longer a top Premiership Club. We don't need a Formula 1 driver. We need a competent manager who is committed to rebuilding a competitive squad. Not another carpet bagger.
62 Posted 10/06/2021 at 10:50:18
Interesting yerlt again. It's pretty evenly split between satisfied, disappointed.& gutted.
Instinct tells me no on reflection. This will split us more than the Brexit vote did the country.
63 Posted 10/06/2021 at 10:50:18
Interesting yerlt again. It's pretty evenly split between satisfied, disappointed.& gutted.
Instinct tells me no on reflection. This will split us more than the Brexit vote did the country.
64 Posted 10/06/2021 at 10:53:14
We are not a small club and Never have been.
Yes we haven't won anything for SINCE 1995 ( FA Cup ) yes we have not won the league since 1986, but as a long suffering Everton fan ( 65 ), I still love my team and would hate anyone who calls it a " SMALL CLUB " to manage my team.
It makes no difference to me if he said it yesterday, 11 years ago or 100 years ago. he should never have said it and should never manage my team.
ONCE SAID NEVER FORGOTTEN.
65 Posted 10/06/2021 at 10:53:51
I knew this was getting to me. Maybe my wife had a point and the dogs' concern was valid!!
66 Posted 10/06/2021 at 10:54:47
But I think we should appoint him simply because footy is shite and the resultant indignation and angst would provide some interest.
67 Posted 10/06/2021 at 10:55:36
68 Posted 10/06/2021 at 10:57:56
But we are not a small club.
No matter how low they got (much lower than we have), Manchester City, Leeds & Newcastle were and are not small clubs.
We just need to start behaving like the big club we are.
I'm going to exceed my limit again. When is it acceptable to have your first drink of the day??
69 Posted 10/06/2021 at 11:00:42
When Rafa and Everton are seriously linked, there is no limit to the acceptable time for you to take your first drink of the day.:)
70 Posted 10/06/2021 at 11:16:15
They gave Mark Hughes a chance and he wasn't exactly a 'big name' in football management, albeit he was respected. He was sacked half way through the next season, making way for Mancini. Football is a business and the big clubs are run like a corporate entities. For City it was a case of pay what it takes for success, same for Chelsea, same for PSG, etc.
But I've always felt there's an element of resistance at Everton, too much too soon and there's not a 'big club' mentality. Fast forward to now and we unexpectedly hired one of the best managers in the world. Regardless of Ancelotti's salary, Everton was able to entice a manager of his calibre.
A part of me wants the City approach, a part of me wants another marque manager like Conte. But looking at the failings of the squad, the guys on the pitch have to change their attitudes and up their game. Koeman once said, I can prepare the team, but I have no control over what they do on the pitch. I'm sick of seeing sloppy passing and booting the ball up field, hoping DCL gets his head on it. They spend most of the games chasing the ball to win back possession. The way they play has become predictable. Everton no longer win games comfortably, it's 1-0s, 2-1s.
Some of the names linked to the job are impressive. We know many have EPL experience and others have done well wherever they've managed. But I just want someone who can go back to basics. Get them passing properly, get them to keep possession and stop being so predictable.
Of course, I want the club to sign quality players too, but we need to start doing what Mourinho did at Chelsea. He introduced us to unknown players who stepped up and became world class players. It's not just the manager we need to be up for the job, we need the scouts to step up, we need everyone at the club to see this as a fresh start.
We all had high hopes with Ancelotti, but that's over. Whoever the club hires, we need to get behind him regardless. Get behind the squad too and encourage them. We as fans have played a part in creating a toxicity around the club. I just want this club to stop being a joke, to stop being ignored and underachieving. Every time a pundit talks about the club, they always comment about the level of investment and the lack of results.
Everton used to be respected. We were a difficult team to beat (most of the time) and we were organised. I can't predict who the new manager will be, but whoever it is, he needs to take the club back in order for us to move forward.
71 Posted 10/06/2021 at 11:22:08
72 Posted 10/06/2021 at 11:23:09
As for Benitez. Would he be considered if employed elsewhere? I hope the criteria doesnt include ‘available and ‘lives locally as both are red herrings. The only plus for me would be he is bloody minded and doesnt suffer fools. I dont think he would give a shit about potentially upsetting the RS - the man has shed loads of self belief to the point of being arrogant. In that respect, hed be a bit like Jorge Jesus with Benfica/Sporting but not as extreme. I think hed have to launch the biggest charm offensive ever known and hes too arrogant for that. We need a uniting force. A no for me.
73 Posted 10/06/2021 at 11:25:30
Interesting that Moyes still hasn't signed his verbally agreed 'formality' contract after three weeks. Dithering par excellence. Why risk a potentially short stay at West Ham when you can get away with year upon year upon year of mediocrity with Blue Bill and an appreciative big wad of cash to boot.
74 Posted 10/06/2021 at 11:31:51
New ground or not, nobody but nobody has brought the ridicule that 'Mosh the Dosh'repeatedly provokes - and we said Kenwright was an idiot !
75 Posted 10/06/2021 at 11:32:03
He lives in Liverpool and is out of work. That seems to be the only reason hes being linked with us
76 Posted 10/06/2021 at 11:44:26
77 Posted 10/06/2021 at 11:48:09
78 Posted 10/06/2021 at 11:50:22
If the unthinkable were to happen and Rafa Beneathus, were to get the job, (I know it's probably journo clickbait, but stranger things have, and do happen) I wonder if they would consider the impact on both Season Ticket and General Ticket Sales. Us 'old arses' would most probably vote with our feet and I don't think we would have to 'crane our necks' too much, to see how many others followed suit.
79 Posted 10/06/2021 at 11:55:40
Ultimately, I'm a fan of Everton FC whoever the manager is and want them to do well.
Whoever it is I just hope they can get a good tune out of these players and get them fired up.
80 Posted 10/06/2021 at 12:02:51
Yes he won the CL but that was 16 years ago!! And despite managing some great teams since he has not won a top flight league title since Valencia almost 20 years ago.
He didn't pull up many trees at Chelsea, was fairly mediocre at Real Madrid and Napoli and got Newcastle relegated. Then went to the Chinese wilderness and didn't do that well there either.
He's 61 and unlikely to be burning with hunger to take a club he once called small back to the pinnacle. Really don't understand people calling for him. Steve Bruce would be preferable.
I'm sure Benitez could probably charge us a small fortune to keep us around 10th with some turgid football but we surely need to be a touch braver than that?
81 Posted 10/06/2021 at 12:13:28
82 Posted 10/06/2021 at 12:17:17
There are very few people that could get a club like ours into a top four position, but he is definitely one of them.
83 Posted 10/06/2021 at 12:31:20
All this nonsense about the fact he managed the dark side so what ?. Do you think he is going to throw matches/run down the club just because of past associations ?.
We must move on and get the best manager available and he will stake his reputation by seeing the results on the pitch.
Football is littered with managers/players who have plied their trade at rival clubs then changed allegiance its nothing new.
84 Posted 10/06/2021 at 12:40:21
If he does PROTESTS OUTSIDE GOODISON IMMEDIATELY. SACK THE BOARD !!!
85 Posted 10/06/2021 at 12:44:47
Yes it was years ago but Sir Matt Busbys legacy is part of the fabric at Manchester United. All those years ago, it didn't bother the United fans then or now that most of his playing career was as their rivals City.
86 Posted 10/06/2021 at 12:45:02
87 Posted 10/06/2021 at 12:50:36
He lost two domestic semi finals, won the Europa League, and this was all done under the backdrop of a fanbase, who absolutely detested him for comments about the plastic flags that the Chelsea fans used to fly.
Im sure this would have stemmed from the arrogance connected to the Liverpool fans, who have always come across as believing they are a superior race, whereas his small club jibe, was probably more personal, because of the stick he regularly took off Evertonians?
Hes won a lot of cups, although its also easy to argue that, “and so he should have done” and I also think he won a lot of the Chelsea fans around in the end, because of his sheer will and professionalism, which never once wavered whilst he was getting absolutely destroyed by certain sections of his own crowd every week.
A massive part of me wants a belligerent cold professional in charge of Everton football club, but its also a worry appointing Benitez, but more because of his dour football, rather than his Liverpool connections imo, especially because it never done our great team of the eighties any harm, having a couple of ex-kopites in the squad.
88 Posted 10/06/2021 at 13:06:16
89 Posted 10/06/2021 at 13:09:23
Companies House records confirm that Brands has joined the board of Everton Investments Ltd, Everton Finance Ltd and Goodison Park Stadium Ltd, all appointments beginning from June 4.
Brands joins incumbent trio of Bill Kenwright, Denise Barrett-Baxendale and Alexander Ryazantsev on the Everton Investments Ltd and Goodison Park Stadium Ltd board, while he joins Kenwright in coming on to the Everton Finance Ltd board, which had previously had only Barrett-Baxendale and Ryazantsev as confirmed board members.
90 Posted 10/06/2021 at 13:13:29
91 Posted 10/06/2021 at 13:15:21
92 Posted 10/06/2021 at 13:15:22
One of the Clickbait sites has just published a very pro-Moyes return article and stated that he & Blue Bill have held "informal" talks.
93 Posted 10/06/2021 at 13:22:31
94 Posted 10/06/2021 at 13:33:19
I guess this is a reflection of my advancing years and a growing calmness of demeanour.
Regarding our former manager, we'll 2 key things for me. One, never go back it will not be a success and two, he failed for more than a decade, we know how far he can take us. Do not bother. COYB.
95 Posted 10/06/2021 at 13:38:50
96 Posted 10/06/2021 at 13:49:46
No to anyone who has managed a relegated side; so no Howe, Martinez, Moyes, Wilder, Dyche, Allardyce.
No to any manager with less than 5 years experience; no Ferguson, Lampard, Gerrard, Arteta, Rooney, Neville. This job is too big and too difficult.
No to any former "Top Player"; No Pirlo, no Koeman.
No to anyone over 60: Sorry, you're just after one last payoff and don't have the energy.
No to anyone who hasn't won anything; No Moyes and most of the above.
No nice guys; No Nuno, Potter?
Personally I'd wave a massive wad of cash at Unai Emery and (reluctantly) Brendan Rodgers. Failing that... Galtier, Ten Hag or (outsider) Conte.
97 Posted 10/06/2021 at 13:58:29
I beginning to have grave concerns about the forthcoming season.
98 Posted 10/06/2021 at 13:59:46
99 Posted 10/06/2021 at 14:14:23
Villa fans were quite rightly irked here was their manager public demonstrating his heart really lay at shitsville making Villa look a poor second
Benitez would do exactly the same thing. It's gonna be fun
100 Posted 10/06/2021 at 14:17:13
101 Posted 10/06/2021 at 14:20:22
102 Posted 10/06/2021 at 14:22:08
Moyes has history for sitting on his employer from a great height.
103 Posted 10/06/2021 at 14:29:30
Let's talk about fachts.
104 Posted 10/06/2021 at 14:34:02
The link about Brands has only gone and got me hopeful. He's stepping up to a more prominent board level role. We're going to appoint Rangnick as the manager but also working as DoF with Brands and then Terzic working under him as first team coach.
Meanwhile, in the real world, Bill is convincing Moshiri that it has to be Moyes and it will be announced by the end of the week.
I give in. I'm going for that drink. The dogs are looking at me again. I think they're worried.
105 Posted 10/06/2021 at 14:40:52
106 Posted 10/06/2021 at 14:40:52
Confirms that Brands is part of the Everton Establishment. Old Marcel is doing alright no matter what happens.
107 Posted 10/06/2021 at 14:41:19
108 Posted 10/06/2021 at 14:44:36
I was too young to remember the glory days in the 80s and thats probably why I look fondly on the Moyes tenure.
I think until the ground move happens, we need a period of stability where we are savvy in the transfer market and we get the most out of our players.
I think of all the candidates being discussed, Moyes would be a pretty safe pair of hands...
109 Posted 10/06/2021 at 14:46:47
Is he still known as a Director of Football?
110 Posted 10/06/2021 at 14:47:55
I think so, nothing in the piece to suggest otherwise.
111 Posted 10/06/2021 at 14:50:34
112 Posted 10/06/2021 at 14:55:34
113 Posted 10/06/2021 at 14:58:06
As for David Moyes, the hysteria about the guy is disconcerting. He has done a very good job at West Ham and I will be amazed if he is not managing that club when the season kicks off in August.
114 Posted 10/06/2021 at 14:58:21
115 Posted 10/06/2021 at 15:00:06
You get an insight on tactics and how Everton got both attackers and wingers inside the Chelsea area by playing a 4-4-2, for 3 of the 4 goals.
Both Rafa and Carragher nailed it spot on, with Rafa apologising and saying he was referring to small team at the time and not a small club, Carragher then pushed him on the vacant job last season and would have been up to the challange and his Liverpool ties, would not stand in the way of him trying to achieve success at Everton, well worth a watch.
One things for sure, the Red side would be fuming, if he took the Everton job.
116 Posted 10/06/2021 at 15:01:40
Just occured to me that in coming Managers may no want a Director of Football as part of the their team, though Brands would be involved in Transfers at Board level.
Raf and Moyes God him us.
117 Posted 10/06/2021 at 15:04:32
It's no secret that we have a DoF at Everton so why throw your hat into the ring if you don't want to work with one?
118 Posted 10/06/2021 at 15:09:18
119 Posted 10/06/2021 at 15:17:03
120 Posted 10/06/2021 at 15:17:47
121 Posted 10/06/2021 at 15:23:23
Having another manager come in does not guarantee he will 'hit the ground running' but Benitez would.
Steavey, Benitez IS another manager so that doesn't really make sense, and the fact that he's got a house on Merseyside means sweet f.a to be honest.
And surely we don't want any manager who's "managed" to get his team relegated?
122 Posted 10/06/2021 at 15:29:26
123 Posted 10/06/2021 at 15:31:03
124 Posted 10/06/2021 at 15:32:00
125 Posted 10/06/2021 at 15:38:52
As part of their early learning curve...FSW's drop only serves to evidence his spiralling downward trajectory.
126 Posted 10/06/2021 at 15:39:40
Do they mean substantial negotiations have taken place or does it mean candidate x phoned Marcel Brands and said can I be your manager and was told not a chance.
127 Posted 10/06/2021 at 15:49:31
He'd be better than anything we've had since Kendall.
I could not give a flying proverbial about the Liverpool aspect of his CV at all.
Get the Spaniard in now and he will stabilise us. His best years are not behind him.
128 Posted 10/06/2021 at 16:05:52
129 Posted 10/06/2021 at 16:09:38
I am not calling for Moyes as Manager, or even Rafa, but on the whole, they seemed to manage just fine, without a d.o.f.
Too many on here like Brands and he could very well be the one to bring in these players, but at the same time, there could be a very small percentage of chance, that having a d.o.f could be the problem.
130 Posted 10/06/2021 at 16:16:04
131 Posted 10/06/2021 at 16:18:09
I know to many this will seem irrelevant from a footballing perspective, but I just don't like the character. Obviously I don't know him personally, but just a gut feeling.
132 Posted 10/06/2021 at 16:18:17
133 Posted 10/06/2021 at 16:23:23
I have no problem with Duncan, but as I stated earlier I do however feel Duncan needs to manage a league 1 or Championship team first before being considered for Everton. Lee Carsley, Gerrard, Lee Bowyer, Lampard, Rooney, Barton, should be a model for them both (and Unsworth), leaving the hot seat away thier comfort zones.
134 Posted 10/06/2021 at 16:24:46
The DoF model, like a few modern innovations, seems slow to take off here than elsewhere.
Although, I would say that Ferguson & Wenger sort of morphed into the DoF role over time, albeit were certainly more than just DoF. Moyes was a bit like that for us but also hands on with coaching too, which is partly why the Manure job was too huge for him.
The version of DoF we've adopted with Walsh and Brands has been flawed because of interference from Moshiri, Kenwright and a succession of very short termist managers. Think back to the summer where we bought Sigurdsson, Klaasen, Rooney (was Vlasic that year too?). Madness.
Personally, I see our best chance of developing is by hiring a coach to coach the players and a DoF to handle the recruitment & academy.
Galtier and (?) Campos have done this to v good effect at Lille and its the model that brought Seville success too.
But, it's not the only way to do things successfully. However we do it, we need to stop the interference and misalignment of objectives that's causing all the problems. The specialists need to be trusted to get on with their jobs.
135 Posted 10/06/2021 at 17:03:34
The DoF model has worked for years elsewhere because the board bring in someone and empower them with procurement. But with empowerment comes Responsibility. We are more used to a model where the manager does everything.
For the DoF model to work, like in any profession or walk of life, everyone is empowered and responsible at their own level to make the system operate effectively.
Yes there needs to be scrutiny and accountability but you touch on a very good point, there should not be interference. Let people do their job and judge them on that; but let them do it, don't try to do it for them.
The board should let the DoF do their job and yes, hold them accountable for that. Hold them accountable, but let them do it.
The DoF should hold the manager accountable for managing what the tools he has provided them with.
The manager should hold the coaches responsible for implementing his principles.
The coaches should hold the players responsible for carrying out the instructions given to them.
The players are responsible for delivery on the pitch based on those instructions.
Responsibility is key. At all layers. But there has to be delegation of responsibilty for it to work.
But let people do their job and judge them on performance.
Interference leads to confusion and incoherence.
I think I need another drink already.
136 Posted 10/06/2021 at 17:05:26
And I wouldn't want either of those!
137 Posted 10/06/2021 at 17:10:26
I might of actually swallowed pride for the Benitez before he joined Newcastle, if I thought he could do something with us, but at Newcastle he wasn't exactly the "bees knee" or the "dog's danglies" was he?
He just seems like another Carlo to me and there's a chance he'll bore us to death like Carlo, but there won't be any Real to take him away and we'll be stuck with him.
I'll be optimistic and go with the energy and drive of the Dunc, Potter or the French guy.
138 Posted 10/06/2021 at 17:16:06
The hate brigade went into melt down before Ancelotti signed because of his age
Benitez is roughly the same age, won less, has the RS and “small club” connection, theyd be apoplectic!
Mind you a couple of them might find it so distasteful, theyd withdraw their support for the Club and never post here again!
Come on down, Rafa!
139 Posted 10/06/2021 at 17:21:46
However, Everton have also made an offer to Terim. Fotospor write that Evertons offer was even discussed on Persian-language TV channel Manoto, owned by Nazenin – the wife of Farhad Moshiri. On the show, Manoto claimed that Moshiri had asked Evertons Director of Football, Marcel Brands, to meet with Terim. Now, an offer has been sent to the Turk.
The elections for Galatasarays new President are on the horizon, and its believed that the 67-year-old will be sacked unless Burak Elmas wins. As a result, some offers have come in for Terim. One is from Lille, while the other is from Qatar.
However, Everton have also made an offer to Terim.
Fotospor write that Evertons offer was even discussed on Persian-language TV channel Manoto, owned by Nazenin – the wife of Farhad Moshiri.
On the show, Manoto claimed that Moshiri had asked Evertons Director of Football, Marcel Brands, to meet with Terim. Now, an offer has been sent to the Turk.
140 Posted 10/06/2021 at 17:27:56
I can 100% honestly say I don't know what Marcel Brands brings to the table in any shape or form to EFC.
Hindsight is wonderful when signing a player but its hard not to admit that Brands very much cost Silva his job in the Window where we wanted Zaha & Zouma but saddled him with with Iwobi and Gbamin.
He seems to have a senior position but what's the point if the key decisions such as the manager are made by Moshiri spinning the wheel of fortune. If Marcel Brands left tomorrow I do think it would genuinely have fuck all impact on the club.
141 Posted 10/06/2021 at 17:28:57
I just want the club to decide and make an announcement.
How hard can iy be ToffeeWeb has established a shortlist of pretty good candidates in less than a week.
The best coaches are noted in the football world so how hard can it be to interview a shortlist and decide on the right one.
It is concerning me that apparently Moshiri, Bill and BRands are all interviewing people separately but that could also be fake news.
142 Posted 10/06/2021 at 17:29:38
Cmon Martin, what happened to the old positive Martin?
Where has this doom laden mood come from?
I personally always get stupidly, unrealistically, over the top optimistic about how our new manager can turn us upside down!! I mean what is the point of supporting Everton?
It's the hope that keeps us alive!!
143 Posted 10/06/2021 at 17:31:57
144 Posted 10/06/2021 at 17:34:18
Fatih is an anagram of Faith. :)
145 Posted 10/06/2021 at 17:34:47
"Benitez will be back at Newcastle if they win arbitration case and takeover can go ahead I reckon. But if he goes to Everton you know what youll get, disciplined formation and a genuine plan for each game. Players tend to say hes strict and not the best man manager but he doesnt care, theyre there to work!"
He also despises Steve Bruce.
146 Posted 10/06/2021 at 17:34:50
147 Posted 10/06/2021 at 17:36:11
148 Posted 10/06/2021 at 17:39:42
Is the worlds list of football managers so small we have t o lower ourselves to appoint an ex red. No fucking way move on.
If we appoint Pellegrini then I'm sorry but jesus christ Marcel Brands should just resign.
149 Posted 10/06/2021 at 17:43:25
150 Posted 10/06/2021 at 17:45:09
151 Posted 10/06/2021 at 17:45:29
Daniel, I agree. I can't see anything in our performance as a team or club in the last few years that can be directly attributed to the presence alone of a DOF, that couldn't have happened without them. Nor any promising changes in structure or direction.
EDIT: Andrew, 149. Do we have any evidence that Brands is being actively prevented from operating, and by whom, and why?
152 Posted 10/06/2021 at 17:45:43
153 Posted 10/06/2021 at 17:47:45
I wonder if Mosh's wife looks anything like Jim White?
154 Posted 10/06/2021 at 17:48:59
155 Posted 10/06/2021 at 17:50:28
156 Posted 10/06/2021 at 17:51:58
157 Posted 10/06/2021 at 17:54:48
158 Posted 10/06/2021 at 17:54:51
159 Posted 10/06/2021 at 17:55:10
"Who is the only Premier League millionaire Director of Football who was never allowed to direct his club's football?"
Is it just possible that Marcel has by now realised that the easy-street giving so many Blue Bill acolytes a well-paid job for next to nowt in return is just looking more than comfortable for him too?
160 Posted 10/06/2021 at 17:57:12
All US Blues, read this: https://www.theguardian.com/football/2021/jun/10/everton-premier-league-usa-links?utm_term=f5370a696221e44a3ca5d8e0093de302&utm_campaign=TheFiver&utm_source=esp&utm_medium=Email&CMP=fiver_email
161 Posted 10/06/2021 at 17:57:12
no chicken and pasta. Kebabs only at Finch Farm
162 Posted 10/06/2021 at 17:58:35
163 Posted 10/06/2021 at 18:07:02
164 Posted 10/06/2021 at 18:16:41
Interesting stuff. Reachng out to the US fan base by being Everton. Engaging and connecting.
Very interesting. Thanks for that link.
165 Posted 10/06/2021 at 18:46:58
166 Posted 10/06/2021 at 19:05:07
That exactly it. He is part of the Establishment and has been since elected to the Board. He has realised how Gerard's two empires works at Everton and is playing along. Doing real well as a result He will distance himself from the Manager, may take part in transfers at board level. Loans out will be delegated. I agreed that I would prefer Kia as advisor to Moshiri rather than Kenwright. No so sure about Brands either. Three Promotions with a squad of less value, a midtable finish and the Club losing money.
167 Posted 10/06/2021 at 19:25:41
168 Posted 10/06/2021 at 19:29:01
169 Posted 10/06/2021 at 19:55:31
Could Brands find the next surprise manager? Maybe.
Benitez is safe, irritating, pragmatic.
He won't take enough risks.
170 Posted 10/06/2021 at 20:00:21
I always start with, are they better than Moyes. For me he's a similar level to Moyes
Certainly could do worse. Different styles and approaches but he's a top ten manager and could do a decent enough job for a few years.
Is that what we want, not me. Aim high, sign some quality players that are aligned to the style of football manager you want to bring in and that allows for continuity.
But if it's experience and a high profile we want, Wenger could certainly bring respect. Better than Rafa and Moyes.
171 Posted 10/06/2021 at 21:43:50
There is nothing worse than a Cub in anarchy with fan protests etc. What will it achieve?
The Board will not remove a Manager if the fans protest and it will surely destroy any chance of the Team performing well and discourage quality players joining.
I would prefer younger Managers but will still support whoever comes in.
I can voice my opinion at the game after everyone has been given time, money and opportunity to turn this sows ear of a Team into a silk purse.
172 Posted 10/06/2021 at 21:44:30
And people wonder why this club is not going anywhere.
173 Posted 10/06/2021 at 22:34:35
Can you honestly see 'Beneathus' taking charge of the final game at Goodison Park?
It'd be like appointing John Major to be the Unite union rep for the city...
174 Posted 10/06/2021 at 22:40:00
Not sure if that's a compliment, mind you !
175 Posted 10/06/2021 at 22:45:40
176 Posted 10/06/2021 at 22:55:40
177 Posted 10/06/2021 at 23:49:34
Graham Potter is a Moyes-type appointment: stability for few years, no flair and no wins when it matters.
The fact is, whoever we end up with, it's going to be years before we see any change on the pitch.
A good start would be to sign some young, pacey midfielders capable of taking the ball on the half-turn and moving forward with it, as opposed to just passing it back from where it came.
And somebody needs to tell Richarlison to stop throwing himself on the floor whilst screaming, and instead actually start pulling his weight as a forward.
I wonder what goes on at Finch Farm, do none of the staff tell him to get up or fuck off when he does all that play-acting?
178 Posted 11/06/2021 at 02:39:29
No wonder Carlo fucked off...
179 Posted 11/06/2021 at 08:40:47
My regional States side allegiances lie in Maryland, North Carolina and Florida from my military days. Since stepping into the commercial world, I'm a converted Texan. I have a huge Texas flag; well it would have to be wouldn't it?!!
180 Posted 15/06/2021 at 13:56:16
I think you're giving our leaders too much credit, they aren't capable of being machiavellian they're just plain incompetant. IF the Nuno appointment has fallen down due to his demands to appoint his own backroom staff, then everybody and his dog knew that last week following the Crystal Palace debacle.
I notice that Fonseca only got a two-year deal with Spurs - which perhaps is what Everton is hoping to try with whichever manager they are interested in, but Spurs have a better squad overall than Everton and it will take a new Everton manager realistically at least one season to build a team to compete with the other clubs eyeing the European spots.
I think Benitez would take a two-year deal, and I think the club would be content to have him as the boss, the fans are a different matter, but it would seem whoever is appointed won't satisfy a large proportion of the fanbase.
181 Posted 15/06/2021 at 14:06:29
182 Posted 15/06/2021 at 14:11:31
183 Posted 19/06/2021 at 22:05:49
🗞Rafa Benitez is said to be getting cold feet regarding the Everton Managers job due to protests from fans. People close to Benitez have advised him to reject the job.Benitez was offered the job Wednesday and was expected to be appointed on Thursday (source: @footyinsider247)
Yay, there might still be some hope! We can chase off the pepper grinder gringo!
184 Posted 19/06/2021 at 22:10:55
Mark #127 I'm not sure why you think Rafa would be the best manager since Kendall. His CV doesn't match up to Carlo's and he's not done much since he left Chelsea 8 years ago.
185 Posted 19/06/2021 at 23:29:30
186 Posted 19/06/2021 at 23:41:33
And the rest is history.
Ruinous to Augustus Caesar eventually.
187 Posted 20/06/2021 at 00:25:54
Some serious genuine and honest agreement to be drawn up soon, as this season is in jeopardy.
188 Posted 25/06/2021 at 09:52:10
No no no, I don't want a past it, safety first Rafa and I don't want the similar dull Nuno.
Nothing personal but football wise it's two similar mid-table managers that play pretty dull, counter attacking football with no plan b.
Mr Brands, the full time, very well paid, board member needs to be producing better ideas, more options and looking for the very best manager and player's for Everton.
We want the best, now, next season and the next few seasons after that. Mr Brands over to you. I'm just hoping the media have it all very wrong.
189 Posted 25/06/2021 at 09:57:36
Personally I don't really care who the manager is, or who he used to manage - as long as he does a good job at Everton, and let's face it, nobody really has since glass-ceiling Moyes. And even that was painful in the end.
The farce that is EFC will continue to roll, no matter who the manager is.
190 Posted 25/06/2021 at 10:18:05
Ultimately he will get the same treatment as any other manager who comes in. If we are challenging the top six and playing decent football, with purpose and identity, he will be accepted by a majority. I think fans will accept an 8th, 6th, 4th trajectory over the next three seasons, with a cup thrown in. Is that too much to ask?
Alternatively if we are bottom half and playing clueless football the firing squad will be justifiably summoned.
The essential recruitment he gets done between now and August will shape his tenure. So this summers window is going to be one of the most interesting ever.
191 Posted 25/06/2021 at 10:19:53
192 Posted 25/06/2021 at 10:44:19
193 Posted 25/06/2021 at 10:48:33
194 Posted 25/06/2021 at 10:53:08
195 Posted 25/06/2021 at 10:58:08
196 Posted 25/06/2021 at 11:36:59
197 Posted 25/06/2021 at 11:38:57
198 Posted 25/06/2021 at 11:47:06
I'd swerve Potter right now. We've done the "imagine what he could do at a bigger club" thing. Parallels to Moyes going to United. Imagine what he could do with better resources and backing are what his media mates were plugging at the time.
I hope Potter is not where the club's thinking is.
Like Chris Wilder, let's see how he does next season. Personally I think this is too early for him and Everton, but that's just me.
I hopeful of the Favre link, but I'm, well, being hopeful again, which is not healthy!!
199 Posted 25/06/2021 at 11:51:31
200 Posted 25/06/2021 at 11:57:19
201 Posted 25/06/2021 at 12:00:40
Anyway, back to Everton - if Fonseca is available and it is the small matter of offering him an acceptable net pay, he would be a much more palatable managerial appointment than Rafa Benitez. ABB!
202 Posted 25/06/2021 at 12:02:37
203 Posted 25/06/2021 at 12:15:00
204 Posted 25/06/2021 at 12:18:43
She said one member of staff had reported back that if Benitez gets the job, she will probably have to get divorced to keep working for Everton, but most Evertonians, dont seem to know who they want, just who they dont want.
She said someone had etched into a big wooden door, we should give the job to the big-man, and she just hopes if Everton do appoint Rafa Benitez today, that its not until at least one minute past five, when she finishes work!
I personally dont think the split in the boardroom would make a blind bit of difference, because once the money-men make up their minds, its very rare for them to listen to the views of other people, and Im more interested to see who speaks to the fans through the media, regarding why its Benitez, once this very, very divisive decision is finalised, and brought into the public domain.
Colin, I heard it wasnt even discussed, and Duncan is soon going to be working for manager number six
205 Posted 25/06/2021 at 12:33:19
206 Posted 25/06/2021 at 12:34:44
207 Posted 25/06/2021 at 12:36:13
Minus the swearing of course.
208 Posted 25/06/2021 at 12:37:18
I've never bought into the cult of Duncan Ferguson. Spent more time injured or suspended than playing. How many failed managers have his incredible coaching skills aided now????
209 Posted 25/06/2021 at 12:41:28
I've just seen the report mentioned earlier about Favre doing a last minute u-turn on Palace. So, all set to manage in the Premier League. Cold feet about England or head turned by another English club??
I think I'm getting hopeful again. I have to stop it.
It will be Nuno back in the frame for Palace, Favre to Tottenham and we get Benitez confirmed.
210 Posted 25/06/2021 at 12:47:11
211 Posted 25/06/2021 at 13:27:30
212 Posted 25/06/2021 at 13:35:28
A West Ham friend of mine described Andy Carroll in the same vein when he was with them. Unplayable on his day, but just wasn't like that consistently enough so never hit his potential and spent more time on the sidelines.
Probably some parallels between those 2 players?
213 Posted 25/06/2021 at 13:41:26
214 Posted 25/06/2021 at 14:11:34
I like you have renewed my season ticket my son does it along with his and my Grandsons, I think he might have done it online as he usually does. How interesting to hear the girl who took your call referred to them being inundated with calls about Benitez. I only suggested in my earlier post that something must be delaying the announcement and suggested they may be gauging the response to season ticket renewals before making the announcement. I read today that Usmanov had consulted with Abramovich before approaching Benitez, so you are asking a rival who you should appoint as your next manager, you couldn't make this nonsense up.
Well they cant delay the announcement to long as the players are back at Finch Farm for pre season training in 2 weeks, except those who are playing in the Copa America or the Euros.
215 Posted 25/06/2021 at 14:55:44
216 Posted 25/06/2021 at 15:02:09
217 Posted 25/06/2021 at 15:07:41
218 Posted 25/06/2021 at 15:17:28
Probably because supporters have an affinity with certain players, regardless of ability or stats. Duncan is a folk-hero in many ways. He was a heart on yer sleeve footballer, someone we could relate to (no I haven't done any time either).
Some of my favourite footballers haven't been superstars. If it was all about stats football would always have been as boring as it is these days.
219 Posted 25/06/2021 at 15:28:43
220 Posted 25/06/2021 at 15:45:49
That speaks a lot about people's principles and although Benitez has apologized and tried to usher away the "Small club" jibe I have to say a decent person wouldnt have made those comments in the first place.
The fact we cant find a more suitable replacement for Ancelotti speaks volumes about how the club is run.
221 Posted 25/06/2021 at 22:37:14
Would fans of a big club be so bothered or just accept that it was a cheeky swipe at the locals rivals. It appears it did more stirring than a cookery school.
But no, no, no, please not Rafa. Yesterday's so so manager.
Brands to earn his corn by feeding misinformation whilst finalising top target.
222 Posted 26/06/2021 at 09:36:06
Not a fan of the Daily Mail. Alway feels like you're being lectured to by your grumpy old Aunty who thinks they know better in an "in my day" kind of way.
But Dominic King, like him or not, is another who isn't always far off the mark. I hope this time he is; not that I'm in the "turn in my grave" camp at the appointment of Benitez, just that I hope we are looking at other options. I appreciate my opinions are probably way off what the club is thinking and I suspect Benitez is more what they are.
if there's any truth in this it's worrying. Not because it's Benitez necessarily, even though I appreciate that choice riles a large majority. But because yet again, it appears a pre-requisite for an Everton manager is then must have Duncan Ferguson and likely the Finch Farm crew imposed upon them.
In a parallel universe, Pep Guardiola has expressed interest in the Everton job.
Pep: "Mr Moshiri, your project looks very exciting. I've achieved everything I can at City and I want to do the same, leading the new Everton into Bramley Moore Dock".
Everton: "Pep, we're flattered and would be delighted to welcome you. We have a really good coaching set up here, full of ex-Everton players who understand the club. You'll fit in perfectly and be able to lead them to success"
Pep: "I bring my own coaching team in"
Everton: "But you keep Duncan and Unsy right"
Silence. Phone goes dead.
Everton: "He wasn't right for us anyway. He wouldn't have understood the club and isn't an Evertonian. Have we still got Eddie Howes' number? He said he was an Evertonian didn't he? And he'll like Dunc and Unsy. He's our man."
This is getting embarrassing. The old boys club guaranteed employment because they are part of the furniture.
The dogs are going to end up with 3 walks today at this rate and it's not even 10am. At least it's Saturday so I can have an early drink.
223 Posted 26/06/2021 at 09:54:33
224 Posted 26/06/2021 at 10:16:13
225 Posted 26/06/2021 at 10:20:21
226 Posted 26/06/2021 at 10:23:18
227 Posted 26/06/2021 at 10:29:24
Just don't let it be Southgate.
228 Posted 26/06/2021 at 10:32:03
The only thing that would derail this plan is if we got into a relegation battle and Rafa the red has already taken one Premiership side down, and with this group of players and a toxic Goodison if we get off to a bad start has all the ingredients of a disaster waiting to happen. This would be so Everton after the 2nd longest unbroken spell in the top division they hire for the first time an ex red as a manager and he takes them down.
229 Posted 26/06/2021 at 10:33:16
230 Posted 26/06/2021 at 10:35:23
He managed the shite but its alright,
231 Posted 26/06/2021 at 10:36:41
232 Posted 26/06/2021 at 11:07:12
233 Posted 26/06/2021 at 11:19:15
Mancini is like all other managers who are doing well at present, they are going nowhere near us! Leave a potential World Cup winners to throw in his lot with a mid table team?
People can give out all they want about Rafa but he does appear to want the job in less than ideal circumstances.
234 Posted 26/06/2021 at 11:25:52
Note to self: Decline Len's invitation to his New Years Eve Party for 2025
235 Posted 26/06/2021 at 11:36:52
Unimpressive recent record.
Not a modern coach.
Doesnt bring through young players.
On the last point its worth noting that in his last season with Newcastle he sold two youngsters (Ivan Toney and Adam Armstrong, the two top scorers in Championship last year) to buy 26 year old Yoshinori Muto, who was crap.
Very, very disappointed. If he does not do very well, pretty much from the start then the crowd will surely turn against him. Seems such an illogical decision to me. Hes not a terrible manager and no doubt we will plod our way towards 9th-ish but its more proof of no long term strategy from our board other than risk averse survival.
236 Posted 26/06/2021 at 11:40:59
Brendan Rogers rented his house to Klopp,then about 3 years ago Liverpool FC bought it from Rogers.
237 Posted 26/06/2021 at 11:42:51
238 Posted 26/06/2021 at 11:48:17
The best I could say is that it would feel very Everton somehow if one of our most hated managers ended up doing a decent job and winning our first trophy in decades!
239 Posted 26/06/2021 at 11:50:45
240 Posted 26/06/2021 at 11:55:59
241 Posted 26/06/2021 at 12:10:28
That way the new guy can bring in his own staff, as long as it's not Sammy Lee.
242 Posted 26/06/2021 at 12:23:24
243 Posted 26/06/2021 at 12:27:13
Ha ha not a miserable git just I'm up at 07,00 every day of the year to let my Mrs carers in, I know it's a long shot my Mrs still being here but they might be coming to wash my parts.
244 Posted 26/06/2021 at 12:32:45
Well if it's going to be one of those parties...count me in! Best wishes to the Mrs, BTW.
245 Posted 26/06/2021 at 12:39:18
El hombre equivocado, el momento equivocado, el lugar equivocado
Wrong man, wrong time, wrong place.
All of the resevations that many Evertonians have about Benitez, won't stop Moshiri from appointing him according to Phil Kirkbride. What Kirkbride seems to ignore is the standard of player that we have available, compared to what Chelsea have had, which meant that Abromovich could afford to hire the manager of his choice, I'm not certain that Moshiri can do that given the paucity of our squad.
246 Posted 26/06/2021 at 12:46:23
247 Posted 26/06/2021 at 12:47:04
248 Posted 26/06/2021 at 12:52:02
249 Posted 26/06/2021 at 12:52:32
250 Posted 26/06/2021 at 12:55:15
251 Posted 26/06/2021 at 12:58:32
252 Posted 26/06/2021 at 12:59:24
253 Posted 26/06/2021 at 13:01:42
254 Posted 26/06/2021 at 13:07:15
More divisive than I anticipated as that makes it a pretty even for-against split. I initially thought most would be unified in being against it. For the record, I'm in the disappointed camp. Nothing to do with his Liverpool connections or his comments made many years ago as Liverpool manager, I'd just rather have gone with other options for footballing reasons.
That tells me that most will get behind it, but he won't be given time by the majority of the supporters. The moment it goes wrong or we get fed up of Ancelotti style football that annoyed many last season, this will go toxic early. And that will even be those in the satisfied camp I suspect. That's going to be the main challenge with this appointment.
Some of the spats we witnessed here over Ancelotti will pale into insignificance and look like they were best mates have a laugh with each other.
255 Posted 26/06/2021 at 13:08:43
256 Posted 26/06/2021 at 13:10:19
257 Posted 26/06/2021 at 13:11:22
"The Waiter is Blue" to go alongside the Bird is Blue for the banner?
258 Posted 26/06/2021 at 13:13:55
259 Posted 26/06/2021 at 13:17:19
Everyone on this site should read your post and have a think before further utterances come forth.
I'm so surprised (but shouldn't be) at the numbers who are prepared to overlook / ignore that observation.
Haven't we just done the same thing with Ancelotti and what did Ancelotti say: "I'm no magician!" and shorlty afterward: "Arrivederci !".
260 Posted 26/06/2021 at 13:18:26
261 Posted 26/06/2021 at 13:21:17
262 Posted 26/06/2021 at 13:25:49
Banner should read:
Rafa B - R.I.P.
Free the Belfast 1
263 Posted 26/06/2021 at 13:45:41
This probably means that he's still willing to spend, but just wants someone who he thinks he can trust to spend it wisely and achieve a level of success. Ancelotti and now Benitez.
Not my choice, but I'm not the person spending millions of my own money. If this is a done deal, I'm switching focus to the team. As if Ancelotti had still been in the chair, we had a good window last summer. Add 4 or 5 more of similar standard this summer and the squad suddenly looks different.
I guess one thing we can't label at Benitez is what was thrown at Ancelotti. He has managed and got the most out of average teams. I would suggest Newcastle were in a worse position could with having an owner not willing to invest. From my dealings with Newcastle fans, Benitez was very popular and they would take him back.
All aboard the Everton rollercoaster for the next turbulent ride. On the pitch and in the stands.
264 Posted 26/06/2021 at 13:54:32
265 Posted 26/06/2021 at 13:55:12
266 Posted 26/06/2021 at 14:02:51
All but confirmed by the sounds of it so seemingly inevitable. But not yet definite. I'm clinging again!
267 Posted 26/06/2021 at 14:11:56
Fascinating turn of events with both Rafa and Mosh putting their balls on the table it's the biggest shit or bust call I've seen in a long time.
268 Posted 26/06/2021 at 14:13:41
Im not gonna go all school yard " he said nasty things about us". Hes our manager, the manager of one fuck up of a dysfunctional football club.
If he can give us stability and get us playing joined up footy then all the better.
We badly need stability, he gets the city so probably has more in common with us than the outsourced franchise across the park.
I'll welcome him with open arms and hope he can turn the shit show of a team into a functioning unit which we haven't seen since God knows how long.
269 Posted 26/06/2021 at 14:17:59
270 Posted 26/06/2021 at 14:21:57
271 Posted 26/06/2021 at 14:22:36
272 Posted 26/06/2021 at 14:27:40
I have zero excitement or anticipating for this coming season now. Just a furthering of the 'mehness' that has been.
We'll probably finish 10th again, maybe 8th, maybe 13th We could possibly even get relegated.
But this appointment is indicative of the way the club is being ran, so any improvement, any chances of development and becoming a top team again are just impossible, those running the show are incapable of running a top football club.
Moshiri, Kenwright and co need to do one.
Anyway, at least I won't be in the least bit tempted to spend my money on going to games or anything else this season. So quids in.
273 Posted 26/06/2021 at 14:55:47
274 Posted 26/06/2021 at 15:00:52
If he appoints Benitez he'll have succeeded. We'll have become an amusement arcade, for everyone else in football.
275 Posted 26/06/2021 at 15:06:04
276 Posted 26/06/2021 at 15:08:37
277 Posted 26/06/2021 at 15:10:49
278 Posted 26/06/2021 at 15:16:18
No we can't because a large majority are small minded.
They would rather take a knife to a gunfight than at least give the man a chance.
I'll guarantee you one thing though... if he gets us playing football and actually delivers the unthinkable, a trophy then all the naysayers will flock back.
If on the other hand he's as shit as the last 5 (yes 5) I'll take the told you so shrieks of hysteria.
279 Posted 26/06/2021 at 15:23:46
280 Posted 26/06/2021 at 15:25:18
Why is everyone on about Duncan? Every single club in the league has one or two of their own on its bench. Don't we need his connection to the players and his visible passion on the sidelines?
281 Posted 26/06/2021 at 15:31:26
282 Posted 26/06/2021 at 15:41:25
If I am wrong then can somebody put a banner out for me with the words
‘Welcome to the Small Club Rafa.
‘ Moshiri Out
283 Posted 26/06/2021 at 15:43:08
284 Posted 26/06/2021 at 15:44:00
Some may understand, but this feels like managerial parallels to when we signed Dave Watson the player. We didn't have internet then, so it would have been interesting to see the reaction. But initially it was massively unpopular on the terraces as I recall. Not only was he replacing a favourite in Derek Mountfield, but he was a red. He didn't have the best of welcomes.
But he proved us wrong, won a league title and later an FA Cup, so won us over.
I'm not comfortable with this, but he gets a chance from me if it happens.
285 Posted 26/06/2021 at 15:47:03
286 Posted 26/06/2021 at 15:49:09
No guarantees as I said butI will be surprised if he doesnt make us better to watch than we were last season and have us reaching for and attaining a top six spot at least, I understand the fans who dont want him, it could have been better, although I cant name a better manager who would have wanted to come here, it could have turned out to be a lot worse, but well never know. Ill give Mr. Benitez a chance to prove himself.
287 Posted 26/06/2021 at 15:53:24
288 Posted 26/06/2021 at 15:56:46
I wouldn't count on the football being better. For one thing the only skillful player is leaving, for another Rafa is a boring defense first joker.
It's like one neighbor drives a Ferrari, we went out and bought a Porsche but it turned out to be a dud. Now we're replacing it with our neighbor's old Ford Cortina that he dumped off at the salvage yard.
289 Posted 26/06/2021 at 16:00:01
290 Posted 26/06/2021 at 16:01:12
As far as the 'small club' jibes concerned, he knows we are not a small club, we know we are not a small club.
Small clubs don't get 40,000 every home game, I've no doubt he was riled by all the insults us Evertonians had been thowing at him.
I suspect it was a nah nah na nah nah moment on his behalf.
291 Posted 26/06/2021 at 16:04:20
292 Posted 26/06/2021 at 16:07:21
Let's get rid of someone willing to pump money into the club, not just on the pitch but in terms of providing a stadium to be proud of that will help regenerate one of the most deprived parts of our City.
He may have been ill advised to date, but with a stadium on the banks of the Mersey and relocating our Headquarters to the most famous building in our city, you can't deny his will and intent to put us on the map. But let's get rid.
Are we all about keeping Duncan? Is that what we've become because he scored a couple of goals against Liverpool and Manchester United but largely underachieved in his career but is a good Evertonian?
I don't have an issue with keeping Duncan if he's there on merit. If you want a passionate Evertonian, employ me or any other contributor to this website.
Let the manager manage. And that includes appointing his own team. Not having keeping Duncan Ferguson as a pre-requisite of being eligible for the job.
293 Posted 26/06/2021 at 16:07:51
I don't care about a small club jibe, I don't care hes a redshite, I just cant stand the logic that his appointment represents.
We'll be looking for another manager in 6 months time when he'll be known as agent Benitez
Hell, why don't we just go for Alex Ferguson?he was good once right?
Love the supporters, fucking hate the club right now
294 Posted 26/06/2021 at 16:08:17
If this happens, it will be the most disappointing day of my football-life. This is a worse appointment than Allardyce, and that was a sad day indeed. This club just keeps on getting lower and lower by each day. My love for Everton will go into hiatus for the time he will be in charge, albeit that won't be for long, since fans will turn on him pretty quick when he loses a couple of games and the atomsphere inside Goodison gets toxic. How on earth can the board appoint a manager that half of the supporters don't want, and almost a third despise? I assume that the 30% who voted "gutted", including me, are doing just that. Talk about alienating your fans... This is the lowest my beloved Everton has ever sunk in my long time supporting the club.
This is a former red who publicly humiliated us, and now he want's to manage us? Where the F is your dignity? If he had any he wouldn't even consider this job. And that isn't even the worst part of the story. The worst part is that he isn't a very good manager anymore, living on old merits. The pinnacle of his carrer, the CL-win in Istanbul, that was a case of Milan downing tools at half time, totally outplaying the them in the first half, leading 3-0. The Shite then desperately pushing everything forward in the second hoping for the best, and as usual, got very lucky. He's finished and the sooner the board realises that the better. This will only lead to another manager-search a couple of months into the season, when supporters at Goodison spews their galls out towards him after losing a few games and playing trepid, boring, defensive football...
295 Posted 26/06/2021 at 16:09:33
I assume the "let's-give-him-a-chance" brigade also fondly look back on the time the club deteriorated under that other notable Kopite, Johnson.
296 Posted 26/06/2021 at 16:26:34
Lynne don't let your season tickets go as it'll be really hard to get season tickets again with the size of the waiting list and BMD etc.
Simply keep them but put each home games seat up for sale.
That way you keep your season ticket place but don't have to attend until he's gone!
297 Posted 26/06/2021 at 16:28:54
298 Posted 26/06/2021 at 16:36:35
For all the abuse Billy Boy takes, I cant for the life see him supporting this decision.
299 Posted 26/06/2021 at 16:40:33
300 Posted 26/06/2021 at 16:44:19
301 Posted 26/06/2021 at 16:49:44
302 Posted 26/06/2021 at 16:56:47
I just don't see any good outcomes here.
303 Posted 26/06/2021 at 16:59:04
He has to get off to a flying start as the first stutter he will be under a ton of pressure. Even kopite aquantences of mine have said it wont work, he's too boring. This wont be Everton football.
I have actually had enough of this fhckkng Moshiri. He is our very own Tony Fernandes.
I guess we can write off this season. Perhaps its not too far fetched to say he will be sacked in 12 games... then Duncan can take over, save our season and we will finish off with a top ten finish again.
Oh, and if its really Usmanov pulling the strings then perhaps he can show his power and buy us Grealish, Dumfries, Koulibaly, Tielemans, Bailey.
304 Posted 26/06/2021 at 17:06:14
I won't. I'm Everton. We are Everton. I am and we always will be.
Birthright. It always will be.
305 Posted 26/06/2021 at 17:11:39
306 Posted 26/06/2021 at 17:24:35
307 Posted 26/06/2021 at 17:38:19
308 Posted 26/06/2021 at 17:39:01
Forget the dubious Liverpool connection for a moment, and just look at his record over the last 5 years. Mid-table mediocrity with Newcastle, and more mid-table mediocrity in China. Not even a cup run to get excited about. It's just completely underwhelming.
And anyone who moaned about Moyes' knife-to-a-gunfight mentality to games against the top teams should prepare themselves for the Benitez approach. I remember a Newcastle game against Man City a couple of years ago that was one of the most brazen displays of 11 men behind the ball cowardice I've ever seen on a football pitch.
As others have suggested, the atmosphere will turn toxic extremely quickly if (and, let's be honest here, when) we lose a few on the bounce.
Just about the only real positive I can find is that this should at least put an end to the tiresome nonsense that Kenwright is pulling the strings. This smacks of Moshiri's usual desire to appoint a 'name' without doing his due diligence.
309 Posted 26/06/2021 at 17:47:57
310 Posted 26/06/2021 at 17:52:12
And you are right. I have had fellow blues saying they wont be going to Goodison till he's gone. Others saying they support the club, players come and go. They are correct of course but why was he even considered?
If Goodison is full on opening day will there be 20,000 booing and 20,000 sitting on their hands?
Moshiri could see quite the backlash for this. I guess we will have to wait and see. This club needed inspiration and instead the fan base is torn.
Of all the managers, in all the world, he had to pick this one!
311 Posted 26/06/2021 at 17:53:20
I don't use social media, never will, Soren. I don't need to, to know that those words aren't written by Everton supporters.
312 Posted 26/06/2021 at 17:56:20
313 Posted 26/06/2021 at 18:07:59
314 Posted 26/06/2021 at 18:37:04
He's one of them. We in our predicament are lucky to get him (sorry but that's the truth)
315 Posted 26/06/2021 at 18:54:15
Well, it looks like the gainsayers were right. The infusion of half a billion euros into our near bankrupt club by a football ignoramus has done for us - or is likely to do so. How anybody could choose Benitez to manage Everton gawd only knows.
Only Putin, perhaps ?.
316 Posted 26/06/2021 at 18:55:49
317 Posted 26/06/2021 at 19:01:59
318 Posted 26/06/2021 at 19:04:25
319 Posted 26/06/2021 at 19:22:48
Interesting article. Have we never liked our managers? Even the successful ones? Catterick never seemed popular and many wanted Kendall out.
320 Posted 26/06/2021 at 19:30:10
321 Posted 26/06/2021 at 19:35:12
Now we hear on these pages about Rafa being an A-lister. In what universe? Do these fans never learn their lessons? Rafa in his last six jobs has not had one outright successful job. Even his biggest fans could only argue Chelsea,Napoli and Newcastle were steady jobs or decent and Inter, Real and Dalian were poor. Out of his last six clubs only Newcastle would take him back such has been his incompetence and that's largely because of his political stance with Ashley rather than any achievement. All those clubs bar Newcastle had among their lowest league finishing position in years under Rafa. When you manage elite clubs you are going to win a trophy or two along the way.
Some arguing we are not a small club. Appointing Rafa Benitez tells you exactly the opposite, it is the very definition of a small club mentality. Hiring a 'has been' that will never take you where you need to go. But hey ho we are lucky to get him. Just as we were lucky to get the last guy who took us to twelfth and tenth with the most turgid football many Blues can remember. But this appointment will be worse because the previous one had eighteen months of stoic support from the majority who were dazzled by his reputation. Benitez won't get eighteen minutes.
322 Posted 26/06/2021 at 19:36:40
Will this annoy Blue Bill as much as the rest of us that he hands in his resignation in disgust and protest.
Removing Bill would seem unjust given he was the man who brought you in to the club and has guided you through the last few years. Sacking him or removing him from the board would have created a huge media stink outside of Liverpool. It would have been like new team captains forcing Sue Barker to leave Question of Sport, or new presenters getting rid of Bruce or Cilla before they were ready to go.
Now there is a real chance that Bill is just so upset about bringing in Rafa that he leaves and Moshiri has the train set all to himself.
323 Posted 26/06/2021 at 19:44:33
324 Posted 26/06/2021 at 19:47:01
325 Posted 26/06/2021 at 19:47:05
326 Posted 26/06/2021 at 20:03:33
327 Posted 26/06/2021 at 20:05:36
328 Posted 26/06/2021 at 20:06:43
329 Posted 26/06/2021 at 20:14:51
Because they're eejits. Fact.
330 Posted 26/06/2021 at 20:38:26
331 Posted 26/06/2021 at 21:15:19
Everton at our best in the PL era is when we have battled our way to victory, Dogs of War style. It was never pretty but we had heart. We haven't even done that for years, except Fergusons first game v Chelsea. Let's put the myth to bed.
Win games. Put a trophy on the table and let my 16 yr old lad experience what I did in the 80's and 95. That's all I want.
332 Posted 26/06/2021 at 21:24:35
He must have some minerals to take the job knowing that so many don't want him anywhere near the club. He can't do anymore than most of the previous 30 plus years.
333 Posted 26/06/2021 at 22:43:29
He guided Inter to the FIFA world club cup 1 year after they won the treble.
He took Real Madrid south.
Granted he won a couple of cups at Napoli, but their league form went downhill.
He steadied the ship at Chelsea
He took Newcastle down then up again before being outshone by Steve Bruce.
Then he went to China.
His last season at Liverpool was a failure and his signings werent a patch on previous years.
Rafa lost his mojo 12 years ago, were foolish for appointing him.
334 Posted 26/06/2021 at 23:01:13
335 Posted 26/06/2021 at 23:07:08
The only question now is how are you going to react? What will help Everton the most? Whats the best way to react when things go wrong or get frustrating?
What can we as fans control? We cant control the appointments, the signings or the tactics. We can control the support we give, the atmosphere we generate in the ground and the wider feeling and atmosphere around the club.
Youve got to keep the toys in the pram and keep going, however hard that will feel, whatever anyone else is saying and whatever anyone calls you for doing it.
336 Posted 26/06/2021 at 23:07:14
"If Goodison is full on opening day will there be 20,000 booing and 20,000 sitting on their hands? "
And 40,000 in disbelief, even amongst those who want him.
337 Posted 26/06/2021 at 23:14:01
338 Posted 26/06/2021 at 23:16:28
339 Posted 26/06/2021 at 23:18:24
340 Posted 26/06/2021 at 23:18:24
341 Posted 26/06/2021 at 23:22:02
342 Posted 26/06/2021 at 23:32:05
343 Posted 26/06/2021 at 23:34:13
Many of the people here who are against Rafa probably think like I do. He's washed up, with no new ideas, has won anything recent worth considering and is most likely looking for his last great payday. All things we want none of. Then you add in the fact that most of us find him a detestable prick, for his behaviour at Liverpool, and personally for his behaviour at Newcastle to foster that terrible fan/owner relationship.
344 Posted 26/06/2021 at 23:37:03
345 Posted 26/06/2021 at 23:40:01
346 Posted 26/06/2021 at 23:47:43
Unless A stands for arsehole.
347 Posted 26/06/2021 at 00:10:01
This business is mind blowing. Imagine if someone had come on ToffeeWeb right after our win at Anfield and said
" oh, by the way come July Rafa Benitez will be our manager",
I haven't had a drink this evening but I have that slightly detatched, unworldly feeling that often comes just short of being pissed. You know that brief period when everything is okay and you are quite pleased at your maturity, tolerance and understanding.
Next day, when that mellow moment has long gone and the knot is back in the stomach and you just think " what the fuck". I'm kind of looking forward to getting that moment without drink.
Not many others clubs offer this particular experience. Marketing are missing a trick here.
Everton, the club that give you the hangover without the fun the night before.
Still, it's the club, the supporters and the friends that count; that make being a Blue special. Benitez might just be okay, or even better than that. If not sure he'll give us lots to debate. Walking away is not an option.
348 Posted 27/06/2021 at 00:30:55
I'm pretty pissed at how things have gone and how they are/are going right now, but... keeping a season ticket and selling the seat each week?
What if one doesn't like the next manager, and the next one? Crazy.
Here's what abandoning your team is: no going to games, not watching on TV or online, no ToffeeWeb/other websites, no radio commentary, no reading of the team in the paper.
Don't believe ya!
349 Posted 27/06/2021 at 00:54:03
"I was really disappointed because one team wanted to win the game and one team didn't want to lose it. Everton put eight or nine men behind the ball and defended deep but that's what small clubs do."
The term "small club" is a direct reference to Everton. Direct.
He called us a small club.
Like him (foolish) or hate him (yay!) let's stick to facts. That's what small clubs do - that's what Everton do. He called us a small club.
It was flippant, arrogant, condescending, and now he's kissing ass because he wants our owner's money.
Small club? Fuck right off. Drown in the Mersey.
There was only one Fat Spanish Waiter. He ate all the food gluttonously, because that's what Fat Spanish Waiters do.
350 Posted 27/06/2021 at 01:02:08
Let's improve the mid-field and see what happens.
We finished 6 or 7 points off the Europa. 8 points off the CL.
351 Posted 27/06/2021 at 01:03:22
352 Posted 27/06/2021 at 01:28:37
I could actually have supported a risky decision like Ferguson or Eddie Howe but if this happens then it is a clear indication that they do not give a toss about Everton supporters.
Those same gut wrenching feelings and embarrassing thoughts I had with the Kirkby fiasco are with me one again. Let the protests begin !
The decision making at this club is so reckless that it beggars belief these people making them are millionaires. How can they be so out of touch with reality ?
353 Posted 27/06/2021 at 02:50:24
354 Posted 27/06/2021 at 03:02:23
What are they thinking.
355 Posted 27/06/2021 at 03:33:36
Signed up and signed on just to say... what exactly?
356 Posted 27/06/2021 at 04:03:34
In a way I envy the red line crowd. If I could find a reason to liberate my soul from Everton I would but Im a hopeless Evertonholic with no chance of reform.
357 Posted 27/06/2021 at 04:28:36
The proposed move to Kirkby some years ago put fissures in the fanbase which have not truly healed. Personally that was the last straw for me with our major shareholder of that time, particularly as he alone was responsible in my view for the failure to deliver Kings' Waterfront, which would've transformed our club's finances almost 20 years ago - instead of clinging on till he got the big pay out from the new major shareholder.
The new major shareholder will be committing a more egregious error of judgement. Despite the fact his predecessor invested less than the average season ticket holder into the club - his Evertonian credentials got him a pass with many. Moshiri will have no such luxury.
Whilst I won't be one of the fans to completely turn away (my own waning enthusiasm is much more deep rooted and lies within the way the game, sorry, industry has gone), I won't doubt their personal turmoil and pain.
Of course Benitez could come in and fire us up the league, but that will no doubt require yet another costly squad overhaul, which Moshiri may not have the stomach for - plus his more recent "style" of football suggests it won't be the case.
Plus this is Everton, the club of more false dawns than a Vicar of Dibley-themed fancy dress party
358 Posted 27/06/2021 at 05:40:27
You say Kirkby was “the final straw” for you and yet here you are years later commenting on something “more egregious.” What could be worse than the final straw? Or are you just another diehard fan with a tendency toward hyperbole? Admit it mate, love them or loathe them you cant let go. Welcome to the club.
359 Posted 27/06/2021 at 05:45:28
Like many on here, I'm stuck with the club. Ever since my late father told me I could choose who I supported, but if I didn't choose Everton, I could pay for my own bed and board. I was 3 years old.
360 Posted 27/06/2021 at 06:02:47
361 Posted 27/06/2021 at 06:16:37
362 Posted 27/06/2021 at 06:25:15
I've seen a lot of opinion over the past week along the lines "Well it's a business, you have to put sentiment/emotion/irrationality aside"
This to me is an odd 'logic' given football, certainly for supporters, kind of doesn't really exist without sentiment/emotion/irrationality.
I'm now too old to get really steamed about the idea of 'Everton manager Rafa Benitez' but you have to admit it'd be pretty incredible if out of aaaaaall the managers (coaches..whatever they're called now) on the whoooole of the planet earth, Everton decided to select the only one who has insulted Everton FC while manager of Liverpool FC and who, to this day, still has his image paraded on the Kop by Anfield's mouth-breathers and mefferatti
"Ahh yes but he's the best available"
You're 100% sure?
Because in my experience (first game attended 1966) the only thing that's definite (re appointing managers) is that nobody knows anything.
So Nuno thingy?
The Brighton feller?
Lazlo Trousers from AFKZ Jiibrovia?
Any of them fine with me because (certainly initially) I know they'd start with a fresh slate and the backing of all Everton supporters.
There's only about 5 managers (on the entire planet!) who wouldn't and it seems 'we' might be about to appoint one of them.
(nb: and we've already had the other four)
- sigh -
363 Posted 27/06/2021 at 06:28:29
This is going to be divisive so I'm not going to criticise anyone for their leaning. I don't think or recall anyone saying we we lucky to get Benitez though? I'm not for this by the way, never have been.
Fans always do and always have voted with their feet. Different times, different circumstances, but our match going fan base did so in 1983. Two years later we regularly had double the attendance from that dark day at Goodison. Same manager.
Walk away? Not me. I can't. I never have even in the depths of despair, and I never will. I'm probably the type of gullible fool that the club can rely on to come back for more, who's loyalty they exploit and therefore get away with making decisions like this.
But I'll never walk away. They're my Everton, not their's and not Rafa's.
The dogs need walking.
364 Posted 27/06/2021 at 06:29:01
365 Posted 27/06/2021 at 06:39:37
366 Posted 27/06/2021 at 06:42:48
367 Posted 27/06/2021 at 06:43:56
We are all different, loads like to give it, but very few like to take it though. I reckon I once hated Benítez, as much as anybody on this thread, but never over the small club jibe, even if it did play into the hands of the phonies across the park.
I cant think of one Liverpool manager who has ever gotten more stick from Evertonians, and when the man gave a bit back, it just made us hate him even more, but Ive longed for a horrible bastard at Everton for years, just as long as hes a good teacher, of course.
368 Posted 27/06/2021 at 06:56:32
I used to look at the Hammers, when I was a kid, they had a steady fan base, used to play some nice football at times, but looked to be very happy being a club, that just went along doing nothing, a replica image of the club Everton became under Bill Kenwright, and even if this is the most unpopular decision we are ever about to witness, at least Benítez, is a very hard nosed thorough professional, words I havent heard uttered about my club, since I was a teenager.
369 Posted 27/06/2021 at 07:21:38
370 Posted 27/06/2021 at 07:26:43
I would have much preferred a young ambitious coach on an upward trajectory but Ive been wrong about so many things in football that I retain a fair amount of hope and positivity that this appointment can prove many of us wrong. Keep the faith, get behind the team and you never know, a couple of pacy signings could transfer the style and outcome of this team. I dont think the squad is as bad as many make out.
371 Posted 27/06/2021 at 07:52:26
372 Posted 27/06/2021 at 07:53:44
They're hunting dogs. When not chasing squirrels or the odd fox, we sit down and they console me. They look, listen, nod and then see a squirrel again. But they come back to listen.
They've become increasingly worried about me, but we talk about Everton every morning.
There is the problem. We've become a West Ham. Not in the eyes of Evertonians; well not me anyway, but in the eyes of the football world. I am always pleased with the interest when people find out I'm an Evertonian. But then that quickly turns to frustration when I hear Chelsea fans saying "I don't mind Everton but can't f*@king stand Liverpool, you lot are alright". That means we're not a threat. We're nice little Everton.
The price of success is often and unfortunately to not be liked. It's UK culture.
We're nice Everton and no-one is bothered about us. We're everyone's second favourite team just like Wolves and West Ham.
Not my Everton. I want people to dislike us, because in the UK, people resent success, especially in football. When you are competition, people don't like you. We've been too nice for too long. It's nice to be liked, but it means people don't see us as a threat.
373 Posted 27/06/2021 at 08:03:59
I too wanted a different type of coach, but this appears to be the trajectory the current owner is following. Established name with past success. it's an Ancelotti replacement, not a shift in direction of travel.
374 Posted 27/06/2021 at 08:32:37
There's also a massive Murial (for those who loved Corrie) of Duncan (Blood streaming from his cut eye!) and Howard looking down at him from on high, with a great smile on his face. Underneath, in great big letters, it reads,
Duncan, Our Captain
Just along the ground, someone had painted Fuck Off Benitez, which was painted over in the evening by lads from the club.
It looks like Ferguson will be assistant manager.
Ilook at the comments, and one article from a feller who won't give his name, telling us how poor Moshiri's record has been; and how he is failing the club.
Well I remember Kenwrights tenure when he took over the club! A good Evertonian, I don't think so. He was given money to buy his shares, he fucked up us moving to the Kings Dock and wouldn't accept Gregg's offer of loaning the club the £20 million that would have seen us in the best speck in the football world 20 bloody years ago, and Kenwright removed as chairman as well.
He then tried to tell us the ground would lose it's certificate of safety, so we had no choice but move to the "Free Ground" in Kirkby. Thankfully, Keep Everton in Our City fought him in the Courts and won. The final episode, before he found Moshiri to provide the "Rich backer he's wanted for Donkeys Years, was when Gregg wanted to take over the club, and Kenwright suddenly found a backer from Thailand or some where, and the famous phrase was uttered after questions were raised about the backers so called funding "It's in the Bank!" I think it was the Bank of Toytown.
Now we've got lots of comments about how poor the club has been diected, since Moshiri took over, how he only has the Bramley Moore ground in his sights before he sells up and is "idiotic" choice of managers called into question.
Maybe those comments are correct; though I don't agree. Without Moshiri, we'd have been sunk without trace as a club once Moyes left and Kenwright had no other rich backer in line.
Looking at Rafa Benitez as manager. It seems to me the powers that be have discussed the appointment of a new manager long and hard, since Ancellotti dunarunna off to Spain and left the club with little or no notice.
It's certain that there are massive problems to be resolved with the first team squad, as half of them seem unable to even pass to a teammate, let alone run with any speed faster that a stroll.
If Rafa Benitez is seen as the best available manager to steady this club, then I will support the club and the manager. I cannot see anything but severe damage to the club, should anything approaching the level of hostility shown to Alladyce, or even worse, be shown to the next manager.
375 Posted 27/06/2021 at 08:45:41
Im 100% believe in the the club but lifes battles dont always go the way we wish, but the acute hope of success and the banter and belief makes me see hope on the horizon and the cup of success is getting closer.
Well its genuinely a religion and Im proud to be an Evertonian, but it is frustrating with out doubt and does play and drain the mind.
The way the years are passing by, lets hope success comes soon.
376 Posted 27/06/2021 at 09:03:42
It appears to me that Farhad Moshiri is a very determined man with nerves of steel and he is not for giving up - neither should we.
Given the amount of money he has pumped into this club, if he wants Rafa and appoints him regardless of what the current chairman, DOF and we think about it then we should respect his decision and back him because if he does pull the pin we are well and truly stuffed.
377 Posted 27/06/2021 at 09:18:19
Kevin@331- that's such a strange response and a narrow question.
He took over Inter Milan who had just won a treble and they only won a charity shield and a club World Cup. He was only in those competitions because of his predecessor. They weren't in those competitions the next season because of Benitez. Are they proper trophies for the best team in the world at that time?
Real Madrid he won nothing.
Dalian he won nothing
Newcastle he got relegated which enabled him to win a trophy. Maybe if he gets us relegated he could win a trophy for us.
Nobody is arguing about his success at Valencia and Liverpool.
On another thread I showed how poor his teams have done in the League in the last decade or so and it's total rank. Now you are suggesting he's a man who wins trophies. Let's see the trophies won the season before he joined post Liverpool. Rafa took over two Champions League winners (Inter and Chelsea) two teams who finished second (Napoli and Real Madrid) in the league.
Between these four teams they won Seven trophies the season before Benitez as opposed to the five he won and look at the difference in quality.
2 Champion Leagues. Europa League
2 Cup. Cup
Fifa Club World Cup. Fifa Club World Cup
UEFA Super cup. Charity Shield
Note that Benitez left midway through his seasons at Inter denying a chance of a cup but the success of previous managers meant that he had two more UEFA Super cups, two Club World cups and an extra Charirty Shield to aim at during this period. In total he had four more trophies to aim for than his predecessor despite winning two less.
Translating winning B level Cups with some of the best players on the planet to the players he will manage here is far fetched in my opinion. This managers real trophy is in recent underachievement both in Leagues and Cups.
378 Posted 27/06/2021 at 09:30:16
Benitez; Europa League, Cup, Fifa World Club Cup, 2 Charity Shields
379 Posted 27/06/2021 at 09:36:55
380 Posted 27/06/2021 at 09:39:14
381 Posted 27/06/2021 at 09:53:57
We had a man whose glittering array of honours was fantastic, yet ha still produced some rubbish football after a good start. Half way through the season he, from what I could make out of looking at him, seemed uninterested. Or to put it another way seemed to be thinking "what the feck can I do with this lot!" and buggered of to Spain, at least waiting till the end of the season.
I think winning leagues is beyond us with the squad that we have. We may, with some luck and some new players, win a cup and perhaps, learn to play every match with some heart, guts and will to win.
Certainly not play like Everton in the Community and let weaker teams beat us with all to depressing regularity.
We don't know what managers were interested in the job, nor what sums are available to buy new players, or even if they knew the shortcomings of our squad. I'll bet a Pound to a pinch of dogmuck, that Ancellotti leaving so suddenly from a magnificently paid job, would have made any other top class manager, swerve away from taking over.
I think that if some of the managers who have been quoted on numerous polls, newspaper articles, Click bait articles and "sources" then they would have been in Everton's sights.
Spurs are finding it difficult to get a new manager and they've a brand new stadium and will likely have more money to spend and are in Europe.
What Benitez has or hasn't achieved, to me isn't the point.
It is what he will achieve should he come to Everton that I'm interested in.
Well, Him, Brands and Ferguson, if that's how it turns out, will have a massive job just getting rid of the overpaid wastes of space, we've got in the 1st team squad and replacing them with the best young, players available, who will come to Everton (eg Godfrey) and moulding them into a hard to beat, snarling, hungry and (god forbid) give us something to cheer, rather than players who play like they keep their gold bullion in there footy kecks!
I look at whoever comes in Benitez, or whoever else, and I'll support them and,hopefully, be able to raise a cheer or two with the football on display. Booing them is something I've never done (except to McFadden when he gave the Gwladys St the Upsie) and never will, that's my take on being a supporter.
382 Posted 27/06/2021 at 10:07:25
My brother, who grew up only knowing the Moyes era is distraught. I would describe myself as incredibly uncomfortable.
Conor, I'm not disputing anything you say and agree with a lot. It just seems this is the path Moshiri is now choosing. He is (in my opinion), trying to follow the Chelsea model. Established names with an, albeit past, history of winning trophies.
Do I agree? No. Is it what I wanted? No.
But it seems it's happening and I support Everton. My main concern over this whole saga is that yet another negotiating stance seems to be the perseverance of Duncan Ferguson's position. I hope that is not the case, but it seems to be so. How will we ever attract a young up and coming coach like the 38 year old Terzic if he's not allowed to bring in his own ideas and coaching team when there's a near 50 year old who has never managed on a permanent basis but commands legend like status and influence at a club when he was never a legend and has achieved little?
It's not confirmed yet. So we might still announce Rangnick, Terzic, Ten Hag or Favre right???
I think I need a Wetherspoons breakfast. They serve early.
383 Posted 27/06/2021 at 10:18:25
I agree with all you've said, including your thoughts on Ferguson. The only reason I think they are so adamant in keeping him as asst manager or whatever, is a safety net if this feller fails,...or the next, or the net...or the next!
384 Posted 27/06/2021 at 10:21:13
The list of Managers is quite a poor one; Chris Hughton, Alan Pardew, John Carver, Steve McClaren, Rafa Benitez, Steve Bruce.
There were ten Premier League seasons two of which came from Benitez with an average of 44.5 points per season.
The average of the other eight Premier League Seasons was 45.75 per season and this includes the disastrous spells under Carver and McClaren.
Perhaps we should be looking at Chris Hughton or Alan Pardew instead on this evidence.Benitez averages exactly the same as Steve Bruce
385 Posted 27/06/2021 at 10:24:06
my point is nearly all of the clubs he's been at have either been pleased with him (so he left without being sacked) or he's won a trophy.
He took over Inter after Mourinho won the lot with an ageing team (the ultimate hospital pass) and obv was sacked at Madrid like everyone else. So I can't see any evidence of real decline, nobody expected him to win trophies at newcastle, or Dalian, so the last proper job was Napoli, and if you work back from there it's been trophies all the way.
He's a top manager, and ruthless with it. He's exactly what we need to sort out the disaster brewing at finch farm, and rather than seeing it as easy money, I think he'll give it everything he's got.
386 Posted 27/06/2021 at 10:25:20
387 Posted 27/06/2021 at 10:34:34
- he's a details man and pragmatic
- prefers 4231 but will move to 5221 or 451 if there's defensive weakness
- the team revolves around 2 centre mid players who play long balls direct to attackers.
- usually 3 defenders are left to defend rather than both full backs bombing on. Sometimes one of the full backs is a converted CB making the back 4 a variation on a back 5
- the striker is expected to run the channels as well as score goals
- a limited number of attackers will support the striker
Allan and Gomes might be the starting midfield pair, resembling a poor mans Mascherano and Alonso. Doucoure will step in if Gomes can't cut it
Then looking at the way his RS side developed (and NCL too) :
- he's very focussed on physical attributes, work rate, height and pace across the team
- he's not someone to blood youth, but will buy in more established players (albeit sometimes young established players from other clubs)
- most signings are from Spain, Netherlands and France but the net will be cast pretty wide
Matteus Nunes looks a done deal already providing forward drive and pace in a 3 man midfield (but not really goals or assists). Dumfries looks a likely signing at RB / RWB due to pace, height and physicality.
He'll probably also want some additional forward options to supplement DCL and Richarlison who, given their skills & physical attributes, look right up Benitez' alley.
Being critical, he spent a lot of money at the RS and only in one season were they ever competing for the title. Otherwise league finishes were very patchy and sometimes really poor given the quality at his disposal. The recruitment was very patchy too, especially in attacking wide areas which he never quite got right.
Personal view is that if he hadn't inherited Gerrard they would have been a pretty ordinary side. He also flooded their youth team with lots of foreign imports (none of whom made it) at the expense of local youth players.
This is a safe but unremarkable appointment. Probably the best we can hope for is a good cup run. But this is not an appointment to really move us up the league particularly.
388 Posted 27/06/2021 at 10:38:58
389 Posted 27/06/2021 at 10:42:22
390 Posted 27/06/2021 at 10:45:20
Like Allardyce I wish Benitez wasn't coming but also like Allardyce I hope he can turn Everton into world beaters. Allardyce kept us up but also lumbered us with dross. I now hope the FSW can turn the club around and clear the dross improve the skill levels and push us up the table.
But what I want, as with Martinez Koeman Silva Allardyce, is not what I get but here's hoping the FSW breaks the manager mould that Moshiri's picks have been cast in.
391 Posted 27/06/2021 at 10:47:06
Otherwise we'd been labelled 'a minute club', 'a minuscule club', 'a microscopic club' or 'a spec of a club'.
Take your pick.
392 Posted 27/06/2021 at 10:52:40
Sometimes I log in here and the font is massive. What's that all about? Today it's tiny, the font as well as Everton.
Benitez was right, we aren't a big club, we act like a small club all the time and we never win anything. Fans of other teams don't see us as a big deal on any level - he was right then and he'd be right now so I never understood why anyone got upset over what he said because he was right!
Who cares anyway whether we're a big club or not? You support your club because you love it, not because they win things. If everyone supported winning teams the league would have about 4 teams in it.
393 Posted 27/06/2021 at 10:53:47
394 Posted 27/06/2021 at 10:54:38
395 Posted 27/06/2021 at 10:56:28
Surely, when this deluded owner makes yet another' balls' up they will not wish me to be stripped of my 'Evertonianism' after 75 years of 'service to the cause' just because I'm not at all partial to the present regime and their yearly abhorrent managerial appointments ?
396 Posted 27/06/2021 at 10:58:47
397 Posted 27/06/2021 at 11:10:52
A focus on physicality and putting in a shift will be very welcome attributes, but the footballs going to be dire, defensive and pragmatic. Using your Alonso analogy in reverse; hes a rich mans Moyes.
Recon hell be kept away from u23 for the reasons you stated…….but that detachment will mean the smalls, warringtons, et al are going to face real problems getting anywhere near first team.
Still gutted were not gambling on a younger man with vision for the future, but looks like fans opinions are moot and its safety first now from Moshiri.
Recruitment of players now vital to Goodson not feeling like a the night before lockdown party in the first few games.
398 Posted 27/06/2021 at 11:30:02
Benitez has been a decent manager so let's see what he can do with what he inherits at Everton.
If it were me I would like to chop quite a few players from this squad but realistically it wouldn't happen because of contracts etc. and asking fees being too much.
Benitez will have to sort out who he thinks will perform best once he has gotten the preseason out of the way.
Hopefully Moshiri and co. will have already formulated plans for changes in some player personnel and told Benitez what money he can have.
I think we have all had enough frustration to last a lifetime and can be cautiously optimistic that next season will be better throughout.
399 Posted 27/06/2021 at 11:55:10
400 Posted 27/06/2021 at 11:55:40
401 Posted 27/06/2021 at 11:55:49
People keep asking me why it's taking so long for us to get a manager. 6 managers in 5 years, a bloated, slow, non-achieving squad, several poor players on long contracts, a director of football who gets overruled and an owner who does nothing to improve the business, while periodically intervening in transfer policy tells everyone why.
We know all of this, so I suspect managers & agents know the same or more. On that basis, they're going to drive a hard bargain. And I'm still wondering if we're waiting (hoping?) for someone who is currently managing at the Euros.
402 Posted 27/06/2021 at 12:12:04
Where you there on the last game of the season and Moyes departure?
The crowd all singing his name despite everyone knowing he had stabbed us in the back and had already taken the Utd job.
Statements by him at pressers where he openly stated he could now go out and finally "try" to win a game, then totally disrespecting us by stating we where holding back the careers of our best players by not selling them to Utd.
Footy fans eh! Fickle as fuck when it suits them.
403 Posted 27/06/2021 at 12:29:17
I also think your 'Gloria Swanson' comment is somewhat sexist.
404 Posted 27/06/2021 at 12:44:02
405 Posted 27/06/2021 at 12:56:30
Again I apologise whole heartedly.
But this is not "our" Everton anymore, this " peoples club" rhetoric is bollox Lynne.
We are a buisness, albeit a badly run one, owned by business men who couldn't give a rats arse about me or you.
Problem is... we have too much spiritually and emotionally invested in the club which they don't "get" just look back at the attempted breakaway by the so called "Big 6".
Benitez was far from my first choice, Ten Haag or Nuno where mine but he's here now (we're told) so I'll get behind him.
We've all said things we regret in life and to loved ones as well. Thank god they forgive and forget.
I'll forgive him for being pissed off with a game of football, god knows I've cursed the other lot enough and wished nothing but the wrath of god upon them.
But nobody's died and the world will keep turning whoever our manager is.
God help him though if he fucks this up, he knows the feelings and cuts run deep and being local must have some set on him to take us on.
Let's hope he makes a success of it.
406 Posted 27/06/2021 at 13:31:17
407 Posted 27/06/2021 at 13:38:21
408 Posted 27/06/2021 at 13:40:14
I suspect the saudis will want their own man, and will have relayed the same.
409 Posted 27/06/2021 at 13:56:31
He loves the city and whatever you think of him his charity does fabulous work in and around the Liverpool area.
Hes a football man, its all he knows and wants to remain in football.
Im convinced he will "get" the club, he "gets" the ferocity of and rivalry of the two clubs and no longer feels he owes them anything.
Can you imagine the accolades if he was the only man on earth to deliver trophies to both clubs.
410 Posted 27/06/2021 at 13:59:02
Just read that Dave, and also think hes coming into Everton, with a much better understanding of our fan base than we realise, considering very few have ever wound us up so much, in our lives.
411 Posted 27/06/2021 at 14:03:08
The way he and his role have been stymied though, I wouldn't blame him if did.
412 Posted 27/06/2021 at 14:12:51
The thing is, Moshiri has spent £500 million trying to get this club out of it's quagmire and he's learnt (I hope) some hard lessons after sacking Martinez and bringing in Koeman, who proceeded to spend and absolute fortune on duff players. Moshiri wanted a big name to go with the managers of L'Pool Man City and Man U. and try to catch those clubs up to be ready for the stadium we hope to see in a couple of years time.
Well, we've seen what has happened since and we're left managerless, since Angellotti dunnarunna at the beginning of the month.
We don't know the ins and out but it appears that Nuno wants to bring all his staff with him, being the only one that I know of that has had some success in English management, apart from Benitez.
I think the club, certainly Moshiri and Brands have thought long and hard about who to bring in, and spoke long and hard with the applicants.
If it is Benitez, then he's the man who they think will do a job for the club in the 2/3 fraught seasons before the new stadium opens.
Because he said what he said after the derby match, even though he was right, I'll never treat like the Geordies did/do.
I'll back the club in their choice, if it's Benitez; because the alternative, if we have another atmosphere like that when Sam Alladyce was here, then I fear for our club.
Who would want to come here if we treat any manager like we did Alladyce.
Maybe Ancellotti would when he gets kicked out of Real again, or retires gracefully in a couple of years, or The Special one, if offered zillions. or whoever wanted to try and make a name for themselves.
It's a dodgy time to be playing roulette with managers.
413 Posted 27/06/2021 at 15:17:18
Of course it's not a closed shop - but principally a website for Everton fans. I'm simply saying, for people to claim they're off whilst telling everyone here on the site, seems unlikely to me.
I probably feel about similar to you re. Benitez. But I support Everton. Support for the manager is a different thing entirely.
Imagine Benitez is appointed, somehow we're top late November, the RS are second, and we're playing them at home. A season ticket holder doesn't go to the game?
No way I'm right about everyone, how could I know. But most will be here when it comes to it. That's the addiction - and being a fan.
414 Posted 27/06/2021 at 15:17:20
But it would put him into conflict with Brands.
My take / preference was to go for Rangnick. If Brands stays then he operates more at board level, which his recent promotions suggest he is going to. With someone like Rafa, he will be as Benitez will want more say and control on transfers anyway.
So a bit of restructuring. Rangnick in as Manager / DoF working with Brands who, dare I say, replaces Kenwright. But a double appointment as we also bring in a younger head coach to look after the first team.
Ambitious and unrealistic? Yes. But if I was Moshiri for a day, that would be my thinking.
415 Posted 27/06/2021 at 15:50:19
416 Posted 27/06/2021 at 16:11:18
I have give up long ago that Everton only have to ask someone to come, and they will be there the next day. Managers have ambitions and want there next club to be more successful than their previous clubs. Some may be able to work with a clubs present system, but others may want radical changes and this is the one who may be causing the problems at Everton. Some of the hiring people may want radical changes were others may want a steady Eddie.
417 Posted 27/06/2021 at 16:15:35
If they do, as it seems they will, appoint Benitez, then it would appear the club leadership are going down the path of established name with past success and sticking to that for now.
My choice and my path? No. But I'm not in charge of decision making. I just get to sound off on here!!
418 Posted 27/06/2021 at 16:32:19
They care. That's the point.
They're logging on as a plea to fellow supporters and the heavens that Everton, the Club they love, doesn't hire a man they think simply doesn't fit the ethos of the Club.
They're saying they'll leave to convey how much they, again, love the Club, and feel so passionately about the hiring of Rafa that they see no choice but to abandon the Club if he's hired. In their opinion hiring Rafa is that poor a decision, that bad an appointment.
These posts aren't pointless. They're passionate, they might be empty threats, but they underscore the scorn and contempt many in the fanbase will feel if Rafa is hired.
I disagree diametrically with anyone that these posts are a waste of space or an empty threat. And to anyone who's posted threatening to leave the Club if Rafa Benitez is fired, I hear you. If you want to cathartically post that this is the last straw, you should. It's a statement of just how bad you and I know this appointment to be!
419 Posted 27/06/2021 at 16:40:42
420 Posted 27/06/2021 at 16:41:09
I still believe that Brands is the go too person for the playing side who recommends players to the manager and recommends managers to the board who in turn go over the recommendations. The problem now is in the owners and chairman's hand with an outside influence. and it will be the one who has the most influence and that will be either the owner or the outside influence that will hire the new manager regardless of the views of the people who matter. the supporters.
As I have said before I have no time for B.K. but I believe even with all his faults, he listens to the supporters and will be against Benitez. But money talks.
421 Posted 27/06/2021 at 17:11:28
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