The Telegraph and the Daily Mail both report that the Spaniard is being considered as a "shock" candidate to replace Carlo Ancelotti, who walked out on the Blues last week to rejoin Real Madrid.
Benitez has been out of work since leaving Chinese club Dalian Professional and hasn't managed in the Premier League since his challenging but generally underwhelming stint with Newcastle United between 2016 and 2019.
The 61-year-old has made no secret of his desire to return to managing in England and the fact that he still lives on Merseyside makes him an obvious target, if only to fill column inches as the club's search for a new head coach continues.
The suggestions in the media are that negotiations with Nuno Espirito Santo are proving to be "problematic" given his large backroom staff, the reason put forward by Crystal Palace for pulling the plug on their deal for the Portuguese.
David Moyes is also mentioned again as being an option but the reports claim that Farhad Moshiri won't jeopardise his good relationship with West Ham by muscling in on the Scot. Lille boss Christophe Galtier, Graham Potter and Roberto Martinez continue to be floated as alternatives.
Benitez's past association with Liverpool and his infamous "small club" jibe about Everton are seen by many Evertonians, however, as factors that would make his appointment as the Toffees' boss as a non-starter.
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1 Posted 09/06/2021 at 23:45:16
2 Posted 09/06/2021 at 23:51:44
3 Posted 10/06/2021 at 00:10:46
Feel ill just thinking about the possibility.
4 Posted 10/06/2021 at 00:24:56
Some good ones in there. A bunch I never heard of.
Anyway, my view is that the larger emphasis must be on signing young talent. We go nowhere without it, whoever the manager. Get the talent and it's the manager's job to plan strategy and game tactics according to the talent available.
This signing players yet another manager wants is getting us nowhere but stuck with unmovable contracts.
5 Posted 10/06/2021 at 00:29:55
6 Posted 10/06/2021 at 00:32:00
He would have no chance because the fans will not give him any patience including me.
Galtier is the man and the board would be well advised to avoid Benitez, Gerard or anyone else associated with Mordor.
7 Posted 10/06/2021 at 01:10:43
8 Posted 10/06/2021 at 01:11:07
I would disqualify him for the stupidity of zonal marking. Even when the RS were good, they gave up goals on set pieces. We finally got that Silva-installed weakness out of our defense and I don't ever want to see it again.
9 Posted 10/06/2021 at 01:12:44
10 Posted 10/06/2021 at 01:14:56
11 Posted 10/06/2021 at 02:03:23
"It has a certain way of operating and it should absolutely be utilised.
"I do not think it would do Duncan Ferguson any favour whatsoever to be given that role.
"You need to save him from himself. You would put a club hero into a position, it is like asking a one-legged man to run a 100m in ten seconds and then castigating him for not being able to do it.
"He does not have the toolkit and the skillset to be a manager capable of competing with the six or seven other managers."
12 Posted 10/06/2021 at 02:08:12
It won't even show that we are 'grown up' and magnanimous, on the contrary, it will only confirm his 'small club' jibe
It will end in even more tears than our other appointments.
13 Posted 10/06/2021 at 02:14:20
14 Posted 10/06/2021 at 02:37:48
No, we need a root and branch shake up of our players and progression not a ‘lets just settle period. Weve had too much of them.
15 Posted 10/06/2021 at 04:28:08
Some comments from their fans:
Rafa wasted millions, let players go who should have been eased into the team and while scouting missed some absolute gems at clubs he bought poor/average players from, he also missed the chance to sell players for decent money while their stock was high... and he scraped out of the championship with a huge budget and massive squad. then he played awful football and hardly progressed. hes considered World class. by who ?. not the Chinese
Rafa bought well to get us promoted, but after that even on a low budget he bought some garbage.
And on the other side of the fence:
Considering the financial constraints that were placed on him, I reckon Rafa did a bloody good job. Dubravka, Schar and Lejeune were his best signings, and, in my opinion, Matz Sels and Achraf Lazaar were his only complete duds - with an honourable mention going to the hapless Joselu.
Rafa done very well in the markets and the absolute bargains far outweigh the amount of duds.
Our keeper and defence was a steal when you take each player at cost v performances.
The biggest regret will always be not giving him the things he needed to do his job to the best of his ability.
As you say James he doesn't come across as a DOF type manager. I'd rather Potter/Gallardo/Galtier/Gasperini(unlikley) than him and that's without is RS affiliation
16 Posted 10/06/2021 at 05:19:17
Worst nightmare. Even worse than the one where I wake up sweating after seeing TGT getting a welcome back hug from Kenwright.
Where's that fucking hot dog seller ??????????????
17 Posted 10/06/2021 at 05:55:29
18 Posted 10/06/2021 at 06:01:17
Jeff #17, how about this guy for a Hobson's choice:
19 Posted 10/06/2021 at 06:05:21
20 Posted 10/06/2021 at 06:08:05
Anyone but him, even Moyes
21 Posted 10/06/2021 at 06:22:18
This one feels like it would also accommodate Duncan remaining in place I reckon.
I'm out with the dogs and have asked them. They seem to agree.
Devisive from the onset.
I'm going to talk to the dogs again. They calm me down.
22 Posted 10/06/2021 at 06:54:45
23 Posted 10/06/2021 at 07:13:16
Rafa's Glory days are over. I cannot see him bouncing back at his age.
Would prefer someone else.
Please not another 2 Seasons of misery.
This maybe speculation but I'm losing interest fast.
It would be a nice comfortable appointment for him as he lives in the area BUT what happens when someone is comfortable - They lose that edge.
24 Posted 10/06/2021 at 07:16:16
25 Posted 10/06/2021 at 07:18:24
26 Posted 10/06/2021 at 08:06:12
27 Posted 10/06/2021 at 08:06:33
28 Posted 10/06/2021 at 08:09:22
Thats no excuse for considering Rafa Beneathus! Look at the TW poll on this thread! Its like a mini Brexit vote! It would further divide our fan base. Terrible decision if made.
Options are slim pickings. Dont agree Duncan hasnt got the skill set. We wouldnt know. He probably doesnt know himself. Hed need the opportunity first.
Its got to be Brands decision. The manager has to work with Brands. Brands is effectively the managers boss. The non-football heads in the boardroom need to back off and concentrate on our poor commercial performances.
29 Posted 10/06/2021 at 08:24:31
30 Posted 10/06/2021 at 08:32:54
Bin him off and let the new manager do their job.
31 Posted 10/06/2021 at 08:33:04
From the poll list its Galtiers or Potter, but even then Im not convinced. We definitely need a strong manager in order to make it clear what is expected of the players especially at home.
32 Posted 10/06/2021 at 08:37:00
After this 18 months of turgid anti-football I couldn't stomach it all over again.
Let's have a hungry coach, full of attacking intent who plays man-for-man marking and gives the kids a chance.
33 Posted 10/06/2021 at 08:51:51
34 Posted 10/06/2021 at 09:00:50
His appointment would be along the lines of Carlo and one would have to ask what Brands function would be with him in charge. He might be thought of as a safe pair of hands this side of our move to BMD.
He would not be my choice, I am in the Galtier corner at this point in time but if he gets the job I will support him and hope that he does a good job and moves us forward.
I made a promise after the City game that I would give the forum a rest until August, then Carlo walks off the stage. I am hoping against hope that the the new manager will be appointed sooner rather than later so that I can take a break until August.
Not easy being a blue.
35 Posted 10/06/2021 at 09:15:59
I liked (past tense) Carlo as a man but following the disappointment of his departure I have come to realise that he favoured ageing players who seldom got me off my seat after September.
Rafa - there are waiter jobs in West Kirby.
Get someone whose footy gets us excited.
36 Posted 10/06/2021 at 09:16:14
37 Posted 10/06/2021 at 09:16:57
Would honestly say that if Benitez was installed as manager of Everton I would not and could not support them again until he had gone.
He is an average manager at best, lucky to win the champions league with only an AC Milan team who thought they had already won it and a stand out performance from Gerard to save him and only a poor FA cup win and poor super league win to his name while at Liverpool
FA Cup: 2005–06
FA Community Shield: 2006
UEFA Champions League: 2004–05; runner-up: 2006–07
UEFA Super Cup: 2005
Yes he has won other things ( very few ) around Europe but he is a dull, defensive, average manager who would make our club a bigger laughing stock than it already is.
we must have bigger and better ideas than him.
38 Posted 10/06/2021 at 09:22:03
39 Posted 10/06/2021 at 09:24:52
I do however feel Duncan needs to manage a league 1 or Championship team first before being considered for Everton. It looks like Unsworth obviously wants to stay at U23s for rest of his life. Lee Carsley, Gerrard, Lee Bowyer, Lampard, Rooney, Barton, should be a model for them both, learning the hot seat away from your comfort zone.
40 Posted 10/06/2021 at 09:26:37
Martinez when the Euros are over. He won't want to destabilise Belgium by linking himself with the job currently.
Just a thought that keeps popping into my head.
41 Posted 10/06/2021 at 09:29:14
Benitez? Jesus weeps.
42 Posted 10/06/2021 at 09:29:46
When the final appoinment is made, the board can then say "We interviewed a number of excellent candidates, before we decided that "Mr X", best suited our needs at this time.
No-one can then say "but "So and so" was available, and we never even gave him an interview".
This appointment, when it happens, will be the "no stone unturned", one.
43 Posted 10/06/2021 at 09:33:04
Duncan would be in a position where he isn't just reacting to the club being in trouble and he would be able to start with a clean slate, if he fails, it would put to bed once and for all his suitability for the job, but if he succeeds Goodison would be bouncing.
The club wasn't expecting to be choosing a manager at this point in time, so why not carry on with Duncan at the helm?
44 Posted 10/06/2021 at 09:33:30
Why would he want to come manage a SMALL CLUB.
Oh yes, I know why. Load of money…
Oh and no doubt he would take pleasure in getting us relegated.
NEVER EVER BENITEZ.
45 Posted 10/06/2021 at 09:34:19
Id have Moyes, Martinez or even Silva back over him.
Does anyone seriously want mr Duo San Miguel? Calls us a small club then expects to bleed the club dry with a nice retirement salary.
46 Posted 10/06/2021 at 09:35:37
We have a Director of Football in Brands who should be in control of transfers with an eye on the long-term stability of the club( not sure if he's up to the job because we don't know which transfers were his ideas and which either Ancelotti, Kenwright or Moshri)
Having created this structure the owner should allow it to work i.e Brands should get who he wants as Head Coach and if it doesnt work then he should go.
The logic therefore is to bring in a man with great coaching and man management skills who is comfortable to work within the structure. Can the candidates converse multi-linqually, surely a must in today's football?
Not sure about Galtiers lingual abilities but from what I have read he appears to meet what we need.
47 Posted 10/06/2021 at 09:36:49
Get Galtier in while he is still available and put us out of our misery. Im trying to take a break from football, so will you just get on with it!
48 Posted 10/06/2021 at 09:38:29
great and sometimes not so great times. But If Benitez is appointed It will be pipe and slippers for me. I thought the talk of Moyes was bad enough but I would give him a piggy back ride up to Goodison if it stopped Benitez coming.
49 Posted 10/06/2021 at 09:44:44
Nuno wants all his group huggers with him so Duncan would be forced out. That would be a red line for Boys Pen Billy. He's a No.
Martinez and Ginge the Minge would be seen by Moshiri as Bill's pawns in his fight to regain total control. So he's a No.
Conte would scare the the luvvies shitless. So he's a No.
Dyche has signed a 3-year extension with Burnley. So he's a no.
That, basically, leaves Galtier and Potter. Thank Christ I'm not making the final decision.
50 Posted 10/06/2021 at 10:01:04
We still have Bill living in the past, like many fans. EFC is not a powerhouse anymore. Personally I'd like any manager at EFC that has a dig at rivals. We as fans haven't been able to dish it out for decades, as we haven't had anything to dish out.
51 Posted 10/06/2021 at 10:06:53
52 Posted 10/06/2021 at 10:11:33
He'd be an awful appointment.
He's arrogant. When results fail he blames not being able to sign X, y z. He plays dull football. He hasn't won anything in years, and hasn't even been at a half decent club in about a decade.
53 Posted 10/06/2021 at 10:12:27
54 Posted 10/06/2021 at 10:15:32
55 Posted 10/06/2021 at 10:17:04
Should Moshiri lose all sense of pride and appoint this obnoxious man then I wont step foot in Goodison till he has left. My Son tells me that on Andy Grays podcast he interviewed Joe Royle who has expressed similar sentiments to mine.
56 Posted 10/06/2021 at 10:26:02
I expect after much agonising by the Board another up and coming managerial talent will be appointed, given a warm welcome amid talk of a new era project, only to fail after eighteen months of up and down results.
57 Posted 10/06/2021 at 10:28:44
For now I'd be happy with Hasenhuettl.. though the Saints would probably not want that scenario once more.. Surely there are young and exciting managers out there other than the usual candidates. A bit of stability and plenty of ability for the love of God please.. and soon.
58 Posted 10/06/2021 at 10:29:00
59 Posted 10/06/2021 at 10:34:33
60 Posted 10/06/2021 at 10:34:57
His main claim to fame was to tinker with Houlliers team and some how win the battle of the negative bottlers; Ancelotti Vs Benitez...I mean jeez, he played the busted flush that was Kewell as a starter.
Then we get to the Small Club jibe - Nah, he and Moshiri, if he signs off in it, can both fuck off.
61 Posted 10/06/2021 at 10:43:12
We are no longer a top Premiership Club. We don't need a Formula 1 driver. We need a competent manager who is committed to rebuilding a competitive squad. Not another carpet bagger.
62 Posted 10/06/2021 at 10:50:18
Interesting yerlt again. It's pretty evenly split between satisfied, disappointed.& gutted.
Instinct tells me no on reflection. This will split us more than the Brexit vote did the country.
63 Posted 10/06/2021 at 10:50:18
Interesting yerlt again. It's pretty evenly split between satisfied, disappointed.& gutted.
Instinct tells me no on reflection. This will split us more than the Brexit vote did the country.
64 Posted 10/06/2021 at 10:53:14
We are not a small club and Never have been.
Yes we haven't won anything for SINCE 1995 ( FA Cup ) yes we have not won the league since 1986, but as a long suffering Everton fan ( 65 ), I still love my team and would hate anyone who calls it a " SMALL CLUB " to manage my team.
It makes no difference to me if he said it yesterday, 11 years ago or 100 years ago. he should never have said it and should never manage my team.
ONCE SAID NEVER FORGOTTEN.
65 Posted 10/06/2021 at 10:53:51
I knew this was getting to me. Maybe my wife had a point and the dogs' concern was valid!!
66 Posted 10/06/2021 at 10:54:47
But I think we should appoint him simply because footy is shite and the resultant indignation and angst would provide some interest.
67 Posted 10/06/2021 at 10:55:36
68 Posted 10/06/2021 at 10:57:56
But we are not a small club.
No matter how low they got (much lower than we have), Manchester City, Leeds & Newcastle were and are not small clubs.
We just need to start behaving like the big club we are.
I'm going to exceed my limit again. When is it acceptable to have your first drink of the day??
69 Posted 10/06/2021 at 11:00:42
When Rafa and Everton are seriously linked, there is no limit to the acceptable time for you to take your first drink of the day.:)
70 Posted 10/06/2021 at 11:16:15
They gave Mark Hughes a chance and he wasn't exactly a 'big name' in football management, albeit he was respected. He was sacked half way through the next season, making way for Mancini. Football is a business and the big clubs are run like a corporate entities. For City it was a case of pay what it takes for success, same for Chelsea, same for PSG, etc.
But I've always felt there's an element of resistance at Everton, too much too soon and there's not a 'big club' mentality. Fast forward to now and we unexpectedly hired one of the best managers in the world. Regardless of Ancelotti's salary, Everton was able to entice a manager of his calibre.
A part of me wants the City approach, a part of me wants another marque manager like Conte. But looking at the failings of the squad, the guys on the pitch have to change their attitudes and up their game. Koeman once said, I can prepare the team, but I have no control over what they do on the pitch. I'm sick of seeing sloppy passing and booting the ball up field, hoping DCL gets his head on it. They spend most of the games chasing the ball to win back possession. The way they play has become predictable. Everton no longer win games comfortably, it's 1-0s, 2-1s.
Some of the names linked to the job are impressive. We know many have EPL experience and others have done well wherever they've managed. But I just want someone who can go back to basics. Get them passing properly, get them to keep possession and stop being so predictable.
Of course, I want the club to sign quality players too, but we need to start doing what Mourinho did at Chelsea. He introduced us to unknown players who stepped up and became world class players. It's not just the manager we need to be up for the job, we need the scouts to step up, we need everyone at the club to see this as a fresh start.
We all had high hopes with Ancelotti, but that's over. Whoever the club hires, we need to get behind him regardless. Get behind the squad too and encourage them. We as fans have played a part in creating a toxicity around the club. I just want this club to stop being a joke, to stop being ignored and underachieving. Every time a pundit talks about the club, they always comment about the level of investment and the lack of results.
Everton used to be respected. We were a difficult team to beat (most of the time) and we were organised. I can't predict who the new manager will be, but whoever it is, he needs to take the club back in order for us to move forward.
71 Posted 10/06/2021 at 11:22:08
72 Posted 10/06/2021 at 11:23:09
As for Benitez. Would he be considered if employed elsewhere? I hope the criteria doesnt include ‘available and ‘lives locally as both are red herrings. The only plus for me would be he is bloody minded and doesnt suffer fools. I dont think he would give a shit about potentially upsetting the RS - the man has shed loads of self belief to the point of being arrogant. In that respect, hed be a bit like Jorge Jesus with Benfica/Sporting but not as extreme. I think hed have to launch the biggest charm offensive ever known and hes too arrogant for that. We need a uniting force. A no for me.
73 Posted 10/06/2021 at 11:25:30
Interesting that Moyes still hasn't signed his verbally agreed 'formality' contract after three weeks. Dithering par excellence. Why risk a potentially short stay at West Ham when you can get away with year upon year upon year of mediocrity with Blue Bill and an appreciative big wad of cash to boot.
74 Posted 10/06/2021 at 11:31:51
New ground or not, nobody but nobody has brought the ridicule that 'Mosh the Dosh'repeatedly provokes - and we said Kenwright was an idiot !
75 Posted 10/06/2021 at 11:32:03
He lives in Liverpool and is out of work. That seems to be the only reason hes being linked with us
76 Posted 10/06/2021 at 11:44:26
77 Posted 10/06/2021 at 11:48:09
78 Posted 10/06/2021 at 11:50:22
If the unthinkable were to happen and Rafa Beneathus, were to get the job, (I know it's probably journo clickbait, but stranger things have, and do happen) I wonder if they would consider the impact on both Season Ticket and General Ticket Sales. Us 'old arses' would most probably vote with our feet and I don't think we would have to 'crane our necks' too much, to see how many others followed suit.
79 Posted 10/06/2021 at 11:55:40
Ultimately, I'm a fan of Everton FC whoever the manager is and want them to do well.
Whoever it is I just hope they can get a good tune out of these players and get them fired up.
80 Posted 10/06/2021 at 12:02:51
Yes he won the CL but that was 16 years ago!! And despite managing some great teams since he has not won a top flight league title since Valencia almost 20 years ago.
He didn't pull up many trees at Chelsea, was fairly mediocre at Real Madrid and Napoli and got Newcastle relegated. Then went to the Chinese wilderness and didn't do that well there either.
He's 61 and unlikely to be burning with hunger to take a club he once called small back to the pinnacle. Really don't understand people calling for him. Steve Bruce would be preferable.
I'm sure Benitez could probably charge us a small fortune to keep us around 10th with some turgid football but we surely need to be a touch braver than that?
81 Posted 10/06/2021 at 12:13:28
82 Posted 10/06/2021 at 12:17:17
There are very few people that could get a club like ours into a top four position, but he is definitely one of them.
83 Posted 10/06/2021 at 12:31:20
All this nonsense about the fact he managed the dark side so what ?. Do you think he is going to throw matches/run down the club just because of past associations ?.
We must move on and get the best manager available and he will stake his reputation by seeing the results on the pitch.
Football is littered with managers/players who have plied their trade at rival clubs then changed allegiance its nothing new.
84 Posted 10/06/2021 at 12:40:21
If he does PROTESTS OUTSIDE GOODISON IMMEDIATELY. SACK THE BOARD !!!
85 Posted 10/06/2021 at 12:44:47
Yes it was years ago but Sir Matt Busbys legacy is part of the fabric at Manchester United. All those years ago, it didn't bother the United fans then or now that most of his playing career was as their rivals City.
86 Posted 10/06/2021 at 12:45:02
87 Posted 10/06/2021 at 12:50:36
He lost two domestic semi finals, won the Europa League, and this was all done under the backdrop of a fanbase, who absolutely detested him for comments about the plastic flags that the Chelsea fans used to fly.
Im sure this would have stemmed from the arrogance connected to the Liverpool fans, who have always come across as believing they are a superior race, whereas his small club jibe, was probably more personal, because of the stick he regularly took off Evertonians?
Hes won a lot of cups, although its also easy to argue that, “and so he should have done” and I also think he won a lot of the Chelsea fans around in the end, because of his sheer will and professionalism, which never once wavered whilst he was getting absolutely destroyed by certain sections of his own crowd every week.
A massive part of me wants a belligerent cold professional in charge of Everton football club, but its also a worry appointing Benitez, but more because of his dour football, rather than his Liverpool connections imo, especially because it never done our great team of the eighties any harm, having a couple of ex-kopites in the squad.
88 Posted 10/06/2021 at 13:06:16
89 Posted 10/06/2021 at 13:09:23
Companies House records confirm that Brands has joined the board of Everton Investments Ltd, Everton Finance Ltd and Goodison Park Stadium Ltd, all appointments beginning from June 4.
Brands joins incumbent trio of Bill Kenwright, Denise Barrett-Baxendale and Alexander Ryazantsev on the Everton Investments Ltd and Goodison Park Stadium Ltd board, while he joins Kenwright in coming on to the Everton Finance Ltd board, which had previously had only Barrett-Baxendale and Ryazantsev as confirmed board members.
90 Posted 10/06/2021 at 13:13:29
91 Posted 10/06/2021 at 13:15:21
92 Posted 10/06/2021 at 13:15:22
One of the Clickbait sites has just published a very pro-Moyes return article and stated that he & Blue Bill have held "informal" talks.
93 Posted 10/06/2021 at 13:22:31
94 Posted 10/06/2021 at 13:33:19
I guess this is a reflection of my advancing years and a growing calmness of demeanour.
Regarding our former manager, we'll 2 key things for me. One, never go back it will not be a success and two, he failed for more than a decade, we know how far he can take us. Do not bother. COYB.
95 Posted 10/06/2021 at 13:38:50
96 Posted 10/06/2021 at 13:49:46
No to anyone who has managed a relegated side; so no Howe, Martinez, Moyes, Wilder, Dyche, Allardyce.
No to any manager with less than 5 years experience; no Ferguson, Lampard, Gerrard, Arteta, Rooney, Neville. This job is too big and too difficult.
No to any former "Top Player"; No Pirlo, no Koeman.
No to anyone over 60: Sorry, you're just after one last payoff and don't have the energy.
No to anyone who hasn't won anything; No Moyes and most of the above.
No nice guys; No Nuno, Potter?
Personally I'd wave a massive wad of cash at Unai Emery and (reluctantly) Brendan Rodgers. Failing that... Galtier, Ten Hag or (outsider) Conte.
97 Posted 10/06/2021 at 13:58:29
I beginning to have grave concerns about the forthcoming season.
98 Posted 10/06/2021 at 13:59:46
99 Posted 10/06/2021 at 14:14:23
Villa fans were quite rightly irked here was their manager public demonstrating his heart really lay at shitsville making Villa look a poor second
Benitez would do exactly the same thing. It's gonna be fun
100 Posted 10/06/2021 at 14:17:13
101 Posted 10/06/2021 at 14:20:22
102 Posted 10/06/2021 at 14:22:08
Moyes has history for sitting on his employer from a great height.
103 Posted 10/06/2021 at 14:29:30
Let's talk about fachts.
104 Posted 10/06/2021 at 14:34:02
The link about Brands has only gone and got me hopeful. He's stepping up to a more prominent board level role. We're going to appoint Rangnick as the manager but also working as DoF with Brands and then Terzic working under him as first team coach.
Meanwhile, in the real world, Bill is convincing Moshiri that it has to be Moyes and it will be announced by the end of the week.
I give in. I'm going for that drink. The dogs are looking at me again. I think they're worried.
105 Posted 10/06/2021 at 14:40:52
106 Posted 10/06/2021 at 14:40:52
Confirms that Brands is part of the Everton Establishment. Old Marcel is doing alright no matter what happens.
107 Posted 10/06/2021 at 14:41:19
108 Posted 10/06/2021 at 14:44:36
I was too young to remember the glory days in the 80s and thats probably why I look fondly on the Moyes tenure.
I think until the ground move happens, we need a period of stability where we are savvy in the transfer market and we get the most out of our players.
I think of all the candidates being discussed, Moyes would be a pretty safe pair of hands...
109 Posted 10/06/2021 at 14:46:47
Is he still known as a Director of Football?
110 Posted 10/06/2021 at 14:47:55
I think so, nothing in the piece to suggest otherwise.
111 Posted 10/06/2021 at 14:50:34
112 Posted 10/06/2021 at 14:55:34
113 Posted 10/06/2021 at 14:58:06
As for David Moyes, the hysteria about the guy is disconcerting. He has done a very good job at West Ham and I will be amazed if he is not managing that club when the season kicks off in August.
114 Posted 10/06/2021 at 14:58:21
115 Posted 10/06/2021 at 15:00:06
You get an insight on tactics and how Everton got both attackers and wingers inside the Chelsea area by playing a 4-4-2, for 3 of the 4 goals.
Both Rafa and Carragher nailed it spot on, with Rafa apologising and saying he was referring to small team at the time and not a small club, Carragher then pushed him on the vacant job last season and would have been up to the challange and his Liverpool ties, would not stand in the way of him trying to achieve success at Everton, well worth a watch.
One things for sure, the Red side would be fuming, if he took the Everton job.
116 Posted 10/06/2021 at 15:01:40
Just occured to me that in coming Managers may no want a Director of Football as part of the their team, though Brands would be involved in Transfers at Board level.
Raf and Moyes God him us.
117 Posted 10/06/2021 at 15:04:32
It's no secret that we have a DoF at Everton so why throw your hat into the ring if you don't want to work with one?
118 Posted 10/06/2021 at 15:09:18
119 Posted 10/06/2021 at 15:17:03
120 Posted 10/06/2021 at 15:17:47
121 Posted 10/06/2021 at 15:23:23
Having another manager come in does not guarantee he will 'hit the ground running' but Benitez would.
Steavey, Benitez IS another manager so that doesn't really make sense, and the fact that he's got a house on Merseyside means sweet f.a to be honest.
And surely we don't want any manager who's "managed" to get his team relegated?
122 Posted 10/06/2021 at 15:29:26
123 Posted 10/06/2021 at 15:31:03
124 Posted 10/06/2021 at 15:32:00
125 Posted 10/06/2021 at 15:38:52
As part of their early learning curve...FSW's drop only serves to evidence his spiralling downward trajectory.
126 Posted 10/06/2021 at 15:39:40
Do they mean substantial negotiations have taken place or does it mean candidate x phoned Marcel Brands and said can I be your manager and was told not a chance.
127 Posted 10/06/2021 at 15:49:31
He'd be better than anything we've had since Kendall.
I could not give a flying proverbial about the Liverpool aspect of his CV at all.
Get the Spaniard in now and he will stabilise us. His best years are not behind him.
128 Posted 10/06/2021 at 16:05:52
129 Posted 10/06/2021 at 16:09:38
I am not calling for Moyes as Manager, or even Rafa, but on the whole, they seemed to manage just fine, without a d.o.f.
Too many on here like Brands and he could very well be the one to bring in these players, but at the same time, there could be a very small percentage of chance, that having a d.o.f could be the problem.
130 Posted 10/06/2021 at 16:16:04
131 Posted 10/06/2021 at 16:18:09
I know to many this will seem irrelevant from a footballing perspective, but I just don't like the character. Obviously I don't know him personally, but just a gut feeling.
132 Posted 10/06/2021 at 16:18:17
133 Posted 10/06/2021 at 16:23:23
I have no problem with Duncan, but as I stated earlier I do however feel Duncan needs to manage a league 1 or Championship team first before being considered for Everton. Lee Carsley, Gerrard, Lee Bowyer, Lampard, Rooney, Barton, should be a model for them both (and Unsworth), leaving the hot seat away thier comfort zones.
134 Posted 10/06/2021 at 16:24:46
The DoF model, like a few modern innovations, seems slow to take off here than elsewhere.
Although, I would say that Ferguson & Wenger sort of morphed into the DoF role over time, albeit were certainly more than just DoF. Moyes was a bit like that for us but also hands on with coaching too, which is partly why the Manure job was too huge for him.
The version of DoF we've adopted with Walsh and Brands has been flawed because of interference from Moshiri, Kenwright and a succession of very short termist managers. Think back to the summer where we bought Sigurdsson, Klaasen, Rooney (was Vlasic that year too?). Madness.
Personally, I see our best chance of developing is by hiring a coach to coach the players and a DoF to handle the recruitment & academy.
Galtier and (?) Campos have done this to v good effect at Lille and its the model that brought Seville success too.
But, it's not the only way to do things successfully. However we do it, we need to stop the interference and misalignment of objectives that's causing all the problems. The specialists need to be trusted to get on with their jobs.
135 Posted 10/06/2021 at 17:03:34
The DoF model has worked for years elsewhere because the board bring in someone and empower them with procurement. But with empowerment comes Responsibility. We are more used to a model where the manager does everything.
For the DoF model to work, like in any profession or walk of life, everyone is empowered and responsible at their own level to make the system operate effectively.
Yes there needs to be scrutiny and accountability but you touch on a very good point, there should not be interference. Let people do their job and judge them on that; but let them do it, don't try to do it for them.
The board should let the DoF do their job and yes, hold them accountable for that. Hold them accountable, but let them do it.
The DoF should hold the manager accountable for managing what the tools he has provided them with.
The manager should hold the coaches responsible for implementing his principles.
The coaches should hold the players responsible for carrying out the instructions given to them.
The players are responsible for delivery on the pitch based on those instructions.
Responsibility is key. At all layers. But there has to be delegation of responsibilty for it to work.
But let people do their job and judge them on performance.
Interference leads to confusion and incoherence.
I think I need another drink already.
136 Posted 10/06/2021 at 17:05:26
And I wouldn't want either of those!
137 Posted 10/06/2021 at 17:10:26
I might of actually swallowed pride for the Benitez before he joined Newcastle, if I thought he could do something with us, but at Newcastle he wasn't exactly the "bees knee" or the "dog's danglies" was he?
He just seems like another Carlo to me and there's a chance he'll bore us to death like Carlo, but there won't be any Real to take him away and we'll be stuck with him.
I'll be optimistic and go with the energy and drive of the Dunc, Potter or the French guy.
138 Posted 10/06/2021 at 17:16:06
The hate brigade went into melt down before Ancelotti signed because of his age
Benitez is roughly the same age, won less, has the RS and “small club” connection, theyd be apoplectic!
Mind you a couple of them might find it so distasteful, theyd withdraw their support for the Club and never post here again!
Come on down, Rafa!
139 Posted 10/06/2021 at 17:21:46
However, Everton have also made an offer to Terim. Fotospor write that Evertons offer was even discussed on Persian-language TV channel Manoto, owned by Nazenin – the wife of Farhad Moshiri. On the show, Manoto claimed that Moshiri had asked Evertons Director of Football, Marcel Brands, to meet with Terim. Now, an offer has been sent to the Turk.
The elections for Galatasarays new President are on the horizon, and its believed that the 67-year-old will be sacked unless Burak Elmas wins. As a result, some offers have come in for Terim. One is from Lille, while the other is from Qatar.
However, Everton have also made an offer to Terim.
Fotospor write that Evertons offer was even discussed on Persian-language TV channel Manoto, owned by Nazenin – the wife of Farhad Moshiri.
On the show, Manoto claimed that Moshiri had asked Evertons Director of Football, Marcel Brands, to meet with Terim. Now, an offer has been sent to the Turk.
140 Posted 10/06/2021 at 17:27:56
I can 100% honestly say I don't know what Marcel Brands brings to the table in any shape or form to EFC.
Hindsight is wonderful when signing a player but its hard not to admit that Brands very much cost Silva his job in the Window where we wanted Zaha & Zouma but saddled him with with Iwobi and Gbamin.
He seems to have a senior position but what's the point if the key decisions such as the manager are made by Moshiri spinning the wheel of fortune. If Marcel Brands left tomorrow I do think it would genuinely have fuck all impact on the club.
141 Posted 10/06/2021 at 17:28:57
I just want the club to decide and make an announcement.
How hard can iy be ToffeeWeb has established a shortlist of pretty good candidates in less than a week.
The best coaches are noted in the football world so how hard can it be to interview a shortlist and decide on the right one.
It is concerning me that apparently Moshiri, Bill and BRands are all interviewing people separately but that could also be fake news.
142 Posted 10/06/2021 at 17:29:38
Cmon Martin, what happened to the old positive Martin?
Where has this doom laden mood come from?
I personally always get stupidly, unrealistically, over the top optimistic about how our new manager can turn us upside down!! I mean what is the point of supporting Everton?
It's the hope that keeps us alive!!
143 Posted 10/06/2021 at 17:31:57
144 Posted 10/06/2021 at 17:34:18
Fatih is an anagram of Faith. :)
145 Posted 10/06/2021 at 17:34:47
"Benitez will be back at Newcastle if they win arbitration case and takeover can go ahead I reckon. But if he goes to Everton you know what youll get, disciplined formation and a genuine plan for each game. Players tend to say hes strict and not the best man manager but he doesnt care, theyre there to work!"
He also despises Steve Bruce.
146 Posted 10/06/2021 at 17:34:50
147 Posted 10/06/2021 at 17:36:11
148 Posted 10/06/2021 at 17:39:42
Is the worlds list of football managers so small we have t o lower ourselves to appoint an ex red. No fucking way move on.
If we appoint Pellegrini then I'm sorry but jesus christ Marcel Brands should just resign.
149 Posted 10/06/2021 at 17:43:25
150 Posted 10/06/2021 at 17:45:09
151 Posted 10/06/2021 at 17:45:29
Daniel, I agree. I can't see anything in our performance as a team or club in the last few years that can be directly attributed to the presence alone of a DOF, that couldn't have happened without them. Nor any promising changes in structure or direction.
EDIT: Andrew, 149. Do we have any evidence that Brands is being actively prevented from operating, and by whom, and why?
152 Posted 10/06/2021 at 17:45:43
153 Posted 10/06/2021 at 17:47:45
I wonder if Mosh's wife looks anything like Jim White?
154 Posted 10/06/2021 at 17:48:59
155 Posted 10/06/2021 at 17:50:28
156 Posted 10/06/2021 at 17:51:58
157 Posted 10/06/2021 at 17:54:48
158 Posted 10/06/2021 at 17:54:51
159 Posted 10/06/2021 at 17:55:10
"Who is the only Premier League millionaire Director of Football who was never allowed to direct his club's football?"
Is it just possible that Marcel has by now realised that the easy-street giving so many Blue Bill acolytes a well-paid job for next to nowt in return is just looking more than comfortable for him too?
160 Posted 10/06/2021 at 17:57:12
All US Blues, read this: https://www.theguardian.com/football/2021/jun/10/everton-premier-league-usa-links?utm_term=f5370a696221e44a3ca5d8e0093de302&utm_campaign=TheFiver&utm_source=esp&utm_medium=Email&CMP=fiver_email
161 Posted 10/06/2021 at 17:57:12
no chicken and pasta. Kebabs only at Finch Farm
162 Posted 10/06/2021 at 17:58:35
163 Posted 10/06/2021 at 18:07:02
164 Posted 10/06/2021 at 18:16:41
Interesting stuff. Reachng out to the US fan base by being Everton. Engaging and connecting.
Very interesting. Thanks for that link.
165 Posted 10/06/2021 at 18:46:58
166 Posted 10/06/2021 at 19:05:07
That exactly it. He is part of the Establishment and has been since elected to the Board. He has realised how Gerard's two empires works at Everton and is playing along. Doing real well as a result He will distance himself from the Manager, may take part in transfers at board level. Loans out will be delegated. I agreed that I would prefer Kia as advisor to Moshiri rather than Kenwright. No so sure about Brands either. Three Promotions with a squad of less value, a midtable finish and the Club losing money.
167 Posted 10/06/2021 at 19:25:41
168 Posted 10/06/2021 at 19:29:01
169 Posted 10/06/2021 at 19:55:31
Could Brands find the next surprise manager? Maybe.
Benitez is safe, irritating, pragmatic.
He won't take enough risks.
170 Posted 10/06/2021 at 20:00:21
I always start with, are they better than Moyes. For me he's a similar level to Moyes
Certainly could do worse. Different styles and approaches but he's a top ten manager and could do a decent enough job for a few years.
Is that what we want, not me. Aim high, sign some quality players that are aligned to the style of football manager you want to bring in and that allows for continuity.
But if it's experience and a high profile we want, Wenger could certainly bring respect. Better than Rafa and Moyes.
171 Posted 10/06/2021 at 21:43:50
There is nothing worse than a Cub in anarchy with fan protests etc. What will it achieve?
The Board will not remove a Manager if the fans protest and it will surely destroy any chance of the Team performing well and discourage quality players joining.
I would prefer younger Managers but will still support whoever comes in.
I can voice my opinion at the game after everyone has been given time, money and opportunity to turn this sows ear of a Team into a silk purse.
172 Posted 10/06/2021 at 21:44:30
And people wonder why this club is not going anywhere.
173 Posted 10/06/2021 at 22:34:35
Can you honestly see 'Beneathus' taking charge of the final game at Goodison Park?
It'd be like appointing John Major to be the Unite union rep for the city...
174 Posted 10/06/2021 at 22:40:00
Not sure if that's a compliment, mind you !
175 Posted 10/06/2021 at 22:45:40
176 Posted 10/06/2021 at 22:55:40
177 Posted 10/06/2021 at 23:49:34
Graham Potter is a Moyes-type appointment: stability for few years, no flair and no wins when it matters.
The fact is, whoever we end up with, it's going to be years before we see any change on the pitch.
A good start would be to sign some young, pacey midfielders capable of taking the ball on the half-turn and moving forward with it, as opposed to just passing it back from where it came.
And somebody needs to tell Richarlison to stop throwing himself on the floor whilst screaming, and instead actually start pulling his weight as a forward.
I wonder what goes on at Finch Farm, do none of the staff tell him to get up or fuck off when he does all that play-acting?
178 Posted 11/06/2021 at 02:39:29
No wonder Carlo fucked off...
179 Posted 11/06/2021 at 08:40:47
My regional States side allegiances lie in Maryland, North Carolina and Florida from my military days. Since stepping into the commercial world, I'm a converted Texan. I have a huge Texas flag; well it would have to be wouldn't it?!!
180 Posted 15/06/2021 at 13:56:16
I think you're giving our leaders too much credit, they aren't capable of being machiavellian they're just plain incompetant. IF the Nuno appointment has fallen down due to his demands to appoint his own backroom staff, then everybody and his dog knew that last week following the Crystal Palace debacle.
I notice that Fonseca only got a two-year deal with Spurs - which perhaps is what Everton is hoping to try with whichever manager they are interested in, but Spurs have a better squad overall than Everton and it will take a new Everton manager realistically at least one season to build a team to compete with the other clubs eyeing the European spots.
I think Benitez would take a two-year deal, and I think the club would be content to have him as the boss, the fans are a different matter, but it would seem whoever is appointed won't satisfy a large proportion of the fanbase.
181 Posted 15/06/2021 at 14:06:29
182 Posted 15/06/2021 at 14:11:31
183 Posted 19/06/2021 at 22:05:49
🗞Rafa Benitez is said to be getting cold feet regarding the Everton Managers job due to protests from fans. People close to Benitez have advised him to reject the job.Benitez was offered the job Wednesday and was expected to be appointed on Thursday (source: @footyinsider247)
Yay, there might still be some hope! We can chase off the pepper grinder gringo!
184 Posted 19/06/2021 at 22:10:55
Mark #127 I'm not sure why you think Rafa would be the best manager since Kendall. His CV doesn't match up to Carlo's and he's not done much since he left Chelsea 8 years ago.
185 Posted 19/06/2021 at 23:29:30
186 Posted 19/06/2021 at 23:41:33
And the rest is history.
Ruinous to Augustus Caesar eventually.
187 Posted 20/06/2021 at 00:25:54
Some serious genuine and honest agreement to be drawn up soon, as this season is in jeopardy.
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