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2 Posted 29/05/2022 at 22:17:30
At first on seeing the title, I thought it was an article about Alexâ€Sandy†Young, an Everton hero, from the last Century.
It certainly is another story of corruptness in the game, and I shall take this story up with Arsenal supporters, whom are good football people.
That's some scam.
4 Posted 29/05/2022 at 22:30:11
I knew there were some shenanigans associated with Arsenal's longevity in the topflight but never knew the detail.
Thank god such behaviour wouldn't be tolerated today.😊
5 Posted 29/05/2022 at 23:31:49
6 Posted 30/05/2022 at 07:29:19
I think it's fair to say more than 1 sizable 'consideration' changed hands along the way.
7 Posted 30/05/2022 at 07:34:54
Then Henry Norris persuaded the chairman of Liverpool FC to allow a team 5th in Division 2 into Division 1 on spurious grounds.
One has to wonder how rich was John McKenna when he died.
8 Posted 30/05/2022 at 07:46:52
When you say DNA of Liverpudlians, I assume you mean the red contingent.
Surely no fun and games has ever taken place involving the Everton Liverpudlians. :)
It should also be noted that Everton won the last league title before the war suspension and retained it for a number of years.
10 Posted 30/05/2022 at 08:18:53
11 Posted 30/05/2022 at 09:11:49
I would be curious to see how many professional footballers would sign up to go to war these days :-|
Almost reassuring to see that the seam of corruption runs deep and long throughout the history of football - and LFC in particular.
Oh, and well done to Real on Saturday :-)
12 Posted 30/05/2022 at 09:14:30
Had no idea of this story. Thank you for sharing.
13 Posted 30/05/2022 at 09:24:14
Like others, I'd been aware Arsenal were promoted on dubious grounds but didn't know the nitti gritti.
Like England playing all their1966 World Cup games in London, when their semi was scheduled for Goodison Park, the powers that be just wouldn't get away with this, today.
14 Posted 30/05/2022 at 12:02:07
Hi Ian J. [8] as a pre-war baby, I was born and reared in the district of Everton, Mill Road hospital and 75 Everton Road to be precise. I have never regarded myself as being Liverpudlian in any form, and following one or two distasteful episodes I'm not about to become one at this time in my life.
Hi Ian H. [10] as Jack [12] says, where there's money you'll find corruption
Hi Bill [13] I echo your sentiment regarding the World Cup fiasco, we were scheduled to host that game from the outset, I suppose that the FA considered that it would be profitable to change venues. I hope to see you at the next get-together whenever that may be.
15 Posted 30/05/2022 at 12:28:30
John Senior. My youngest brother was born in Mill Road, I was born in Sefton General on Smithdown Road. I think it's now the site of an Asda.
I have never and would never describe myself as a Liverpudlian. I hate the phrase and don't associate with it.
My father had a hard enough time making me wear a pair of jeans when I was a young child in Germany because they had a patch on them saying "proud to be a scouser". I asked what it meant and he said that I was from Liverpool. I was distraught. I thought I was from Everton.
16 Posted 30/05/2022 at 12:46:17
I understand you being distraught, but in truth an Evertonian born in Everton is no different than a true Evertonian born anywhere in the city. I just use it for boasting purposes.
17 Posted 30/05/2022 at 13:42:25
Ian #8, your point about us retaining the league trophy got me thinking. In fact, if you rank teams by number of years they have been top-flight Champions we are joint first with 20. :-)
18 Posted 30/05/2022 at 14:17:01
James, yep, agreed re top-flight champions, also possibly one of the longest undefeated runs in the First Division, must have been approx 4.5 years… although I guess most teams could claim the same.
19 Posted 30/05/2022 at 14:56:24
I was born in 1940 and I don't know what the circumstances were but I was born at home 87 Scarisbrick Road Norris Green Liverpool 11.
Became an Evertonian in 1952 after playing on Goodison for my school.
Danny
I was close to becoming a German resident as my Dad was asked after the war to stay on in Germany, I believe he was an engineer but spent most of his time driving a tank during the war.
I am the same as other supporters, when people ask me were I am from and I say Liverpool, they say oh you are a Liverpudlian and I say no I am an Evertonian.
20 Posted 30/05/2022 at 16:41:21
In 1914-15, the season Arsenal were relegated, there were in the First Division a number of derby games played. Everton vs Liverpool, Bradford City vs Bradford Park Avenue, Sheffield Wednesday vs Sheffield United, Aston Villa vs West Bromwich Albion, and Manchester City vs Manchester United. I suppose that Blackburn Rovers vs Burnley, as close neighbours, could be included, and Newcastle United vs Sunderland – despite being a fair distance away from each other and in different counties – could be added to the list.
Hi Ian [18],
When we were somewhat younger, we used to annoy the Reds, by saying we held the First Division Trophy longer than any other club. 1913-1920 and 1939-1947.
Hi Bill [19],
I fear that Covid-19 has put an end to my holidays abroad, and it used to aggravate me that, when people learned I was from Liverpool, they immediately assumed I was a Liverpudlian. The sad part is that, unless they were football followers, they didn't even know that there were two clubs in the city.
21 Posted 30/05/2022 at 17:04:07
22 Posted 30/05/2022 at 19:44:23
A friend of mine who is sadly no longer with us, rang me up one Saturday morning from a Pub in London, where he had moved down to in the early 80s. He was in the company of some Arsenal fans who claimed that Arsenal had never been relegated. I was able to tell him that they had suffered the drop in 1913.
I don't expect football fans to know everything about their club, but occasions such as championships and relegations are the basics. I have no doubt that there are some Evertonians who sing, "If you know your history" who fall into that category.
23 Posted 31/05/2022 at 01:11:05
On another note, I don't understand why we do not have European Super Cup finalists 1985 on our honours list. The fact that we could not fulfil the fixture was not of our doing.
You hear of Nottingham Forest making a welcome return to the top flight and people immediately reference the fact that they won the European Cup and are therefore a huge club, and likewise Aston Villa make capital from winning the trophy. It was a time when English clubs dominated, and the next club with a huge chance of being on the winners rostrum, on maybe more than one occasion, would have been our good selves.
After that season, we did not play in Europe for 10 years. Like all Evertonians of a certain age, I think of what we missed out on through no fault of our own every day. Sometimes several times a day. Some days, it never goes out of my head.
Going further back, I blame Adolf Hitler for stopping another one of our great sides from winning more trophies, with an experienced keeper, and a young spine of T G Jones, Joe Mercer and young Tommy Lawton, as you well know.
However, there was a far more important battle to be won then. Cheers, John, take care.
24 Posted 31/05/2022 at 15:28:19
The Football League was abandoned in the early stages of the 1939-40 season. Players suffered the loss of 7 years of their playing careers, and I was of the opinion that there would be examples of players also being affected by the First World war.
I have a book "Football League Players Records 1888 to1939, luckily enough, I managed to open it at a page that confirmed my suspicions it reads, George Richardson, born 12 December 1912, died 1968. Huddersfield Town 1933, Sheffield United 1935-1938, Hull City 1947 I'm certain that there are many others whose careers were shortened by both conflicts.
25 Posted 31/05/2022 at 17:06:44
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1 Posted 29/05/2022 at 21:42:04
I like to think it gives Spurs a firm sense of historic injustice that still pervades their relationship with their local rivals, and in this woke era where the wrongs of the past are being so sensitively reinterpreted, it would be nice to see an official investigation implemented by the Premier League, followed by the relegation of Arsenal to the Championship, by means of fair retribution.