Ell, Lyndon and Paul are back and buzzing from the performance and win over Leeds United. They review some top displays across the team, look ahead to this weekend's trip to Southampton and pick their most underrated Everton players from the Premier League era.
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1 Posted 16/02/2022 at 12:00:54
As soon as you asked "most underrated player" Scott Gemmill was the first name in my head too. As you say he could pick a pass, but I always remember his ball-winning was impressive too. It was his anticipation that made him so good at intercepting (more than being a tackler).
2 Posted 16/02/2022 at 12:13:56
But with the likes of Lingard who went to West Ham on loan played well-scored goals, fans loved him but no agreement to buy so went back to Man Utd.
Likewise with Donny van de Beek, he is only on loan till the end of the season and then he will go back to Man Utd, it just becomes a win-win for them. If he does well with us, they get back a player who has had games in the Premier League under his belt and if he has done well they get back a player in a better frame of mind than when he left them to come on loan.
Also Man Utd will be appointing a new manager in the summer so he will want Van de Beek back at the club so he can assess him. So no matter how well he does here there seems little or no chance he will be here for the start of next season.
3 Posted 16/02/2022 at 12:45:50
It's rarely as simple as a win-win. There was always the chance that Donny van de Beek would flatter to deceive for us, and that the loan might expose the shortcomings that Man Utd clearly suspect that he has. But if he continues to impress, and becomes a vitally important cog for us this season, there's a world in which the player would want to stay.
In fact, there's a world in which the prospect of returning to Man Utd to face the sort of treatment Lingard has received after his exceptional loan spell with West Ham last season is not something Donny van de Beek would want to risk happening – especially in a World Cup year.
If Donny van de Beek can be instrumental on setting us on a better course over the rest of the season then that's the key issue for me. Beyond that is anyone's guess.
4 Posted 16/02/2022 at 15:26:03
I don't care if Donny is a loanee and never becomes 'our' player. I love good players, whoever they play for. More so if they pull on the blue jersey of Everton. And Donny is a very good player.
Notice what a traffic cop he is. He lays the ball off and points to the receiving player where HE wants it back, or points out an alternative player to receive the ball. The sign of a player who, like a good chess player, is thinking several moves ahead from the one he has just made.
No loan-to-buy agreement in place. United made that very clear. But there is definitely several scenarios in which he could become our permanent player in the summer.
I'm sure Frank wouldn't say no, or will be in the market for a similar player.
5 Posted 16/02/2022 at 16:38:46
Best comment in the podcast was about Lampard's flexibility. One characteristic all our recent managers displayed was a stubbornness, adhering for too long to a set alignment or plan. Frank shows early signs of a quicker willingness to change on the fly.
My choice for most underrated will always be Gana. For every admirer here, there were always two detractors ready to deride him as a "tackling machine" or "headless chicken" who couldn't pass the ball or carry it forward. Only in his absence, and our difficulty in replacing him, has he been granted the appropriate measure of appreciation in our fan base for what a great player he really was for us.
Jags would be another. Not in anybody's all-time 11, but he had some truly magnificent moments.
And, of course, the man, the legend... Bryan Oviedo.
6 Posted 16/02/2022 at 17:14:24
If Man Utd get Ten Hag as manager, then I expect he'll stay. If not, we'll be fighting it out with Newcastle and a few European clubs I expect.
Lovely footballer but probably not the best foil for Dele Alli – who we need to prioritise since he is our player now.
I could see us ending with (and not in a bad way) the likes of Berge, Doyle, Garner, Knight and Gilmour next season. Maybe even a revitalised Davies.
In the meantime, enjoy Van de Beek being really good at one touch football, pass and move etc.
7 Posted 16/02/2022 at 17:20:27
Excellent podcast as usual
I just cant get past the Scot Gemmil call out as Evertons most underrated player!!! Unbelievable!
Thanks for the show Lyndon
8 Posted 16/02/2022 at 17:26:41
1. I'm in love with a loan player, and still maintain he'll be a permanent Blue somehow or another come the summer.
2. I was really hoping this TW podcast would interview and highlight individual contributors. Now don't get me wrong, Ell, Paul (really like Paul by the way), and Lyndon are fantastic! I was hoping the podcast "idea" might be to interview frequent contributors to the site as well. Folks such as Colin Glassar, Graham Mockford, Christine Foster, John Daly, find Eugene Ruane, Dave Abrahams and Tony Abrahams, etc. I was really looking forward to discussions with some of the "regulars" via a podcast as well.
Will listen later. Van de Beek fucking rocks.
9 Posted 16/02/2022 at 17:31:22
"Tidy" players are alright surrounded by good players but in lesser company they look as though the safe option is all they have. In tight games supporters go up the wall seeing players passing 10 yards sideways when the game demands courageous driving at the oppo.
Just don't see it in him.
10 Posted 16/02/2022 at 17:35:37
Re Richard Gough, I remember reading somewhere when we signed him that 'Everton's aspirations for this season can be summed up in two words: Richard Gough'.
I suppose that's fair enough when signing a 38-year-old from the MLS but he turned out to be a very good signing and I remember many bemoaning the fact that we got him so late in his career.
I can't quite buy into Scott Gemmill as so underrated, but I thought he was a decent player, just not as good as we wanted or hoped.
Keep up the good work chaps, you have a regular listener in me for sure.
11 Posted 16/02/2022 at 17:40:24
If Donny van de Beek makes a good contribution and Everton win a few more games, then I don't care if he goes back to Man Utd. The transfer market and loan market is an ever-revolving door for many players and there is very little loyalty except to the almighty pay packet.
We were impressed with what the whole team did against Leeds and in particular with the intensity from the kick-off. Something we haven't seen much of this season.
With some very tough fixtures coming up, we need to have more of the same from everybody to get some more valuable points.
12 Posted 16/02/2022 at 18:07:06
Landon Donovan was another who I wish we could have had for a full season each time.
13 Posted 16/02/2022 at 18:13:17
Although I dont expect him to be with us next season, the player will have noted the way Jesse Lingard has been marginalised this season after his successful loan spell at West Ham. Obviously we would need to sell a significant player or players to raise the funds required to buy him. In any event we will need to find that type of intelligent, midfield dynamo if we want to make progress next season.
It was great to hear positive reviews of all the players who played on Saturday. Lets hope they can earn the same on Saturday.
14 Posted 16/02/2022 at 18:21:32
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16 Posted 16/02/2022 at 18:39:05
Jamie (8) - how soon can we get Darren, Graham, Kieran and Don Alexander on together, LOL?
17 Posted 16/02/2022 at 21:34:50
Theres yet another group of contributors Id find HOURS of entertainment listening to.
Some of them all together at once may end up in a virtual bar brawl! But quite seriously Id love to hear the thoughts of individuals whose comments I read on these very pages, verbally through a podcast medium.
Id be absolutely hyped to see some of the people I mentioned above, not to mention a host of others unnamed, as guests / one-off contributors.
18 Posted 16/02/2022 at 21:57:04
Which they did, and probably paid more than we should have really. After he became ' our player ' he reverted back into detritus mode.
However I can't see that happening with Donny VdB, although it's early days for sure, he does appear to have what we need. Remembering too, that he was outstanding at Ajax, so not a flash in the pan, or a flush in the pan like Terry Curran.
19 Posted 16/02/2022 at 22:00:36
20 Posted 16/02/2022 at 22:44:52
The Podcast is a gem by the way, thanks lads!
21 Posted 16/02/2022 at 22:53:59
The podcast went over an hour because all three contributors were thrilled with the Leeds game and the individual performances, so why not chat a bit longer!
Most underrated Everton player? The first name that popped into my mind was James McCarthy.
Did all the dirty work. He was the engine of the best midfield in my Blue life. A ball winner who would win the ball, then get it to a player quickly to move forward. He was tough as nails, gritty, and possessed far more talent than I think people gave him credit for.
22 Posted 16/02/2022 at 23:40:29
That is still the plan, Jamie. I wanted to a get a few "in the can" and prove both the concept and the listenership (good start but I'm hoping it will grow) before I reached out to the community to get an idea of who they would like to hear from.
So, seeing as you've more or less kicked that off, I invite people to pitch some names of TW regulars they would like interviewed into this thread.
James (10): " Is it intentional that each one is getting longer, or maybe you're getting more into the swing of it?"
It will fluctuate but certainly getting more into the swing of things helps but we also added a couple of regular features – the memories of past games that correspond to the upcoming fixture and the weekly question. An hour seems like a good amount of time but there other pods that go 90 minutes and beyond. It depends on how much is going on, I suppose!
23 Posted 16/02/2022 at 00:06:08
24 Posted 17/02/2022 at 01:01:23
Im down. Lets go Don. Funnily enough though I have a podcast — not football related — but lots of interviews, most amicable some quite testy lol
25 Posted 17/02/2022 at 02:47:51
His career post-Everton was similarly impressive, at Watford, Arsenal (he was in the team that stuffed "them" 0-2 to win the League) and Villa. He even won an England cap towards the back end of his career, which was some achievement back in those days, unlike now.
26 Posted 17/02/2022 at 04:44:09
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29 Posted 17/02/2022 at 07:28:53
In terms of underrated players I always think of Joseph Yobo. Think he might have been Moyes first signing (?) and he was instrumental in making us a much harder team to score against and going from a team on the brink of relegation to a team in the 4th Champions League spot. Lightning fast and dominant in the air, he probably stayed too long and towards the end was increasingly prone to lapses of concentration but he might still be my favourite CB weve had in the last 20 years. Certainly underrated by many.
30 Posted 17/02/2022 at 08:04:07
31 Posted 17/02/2022 at 12:15:08
I've actually managed to get a ticket for the Southampton game and it's a rare event for me to get to a game so am very much looking forward to seeing some of the new players in action. I'm hoping to do a match report after, but that's more likely to come to fruition if we get a good result!
32 Posted 17/02/2022 at 16:51:07
Thank you for the reply, and good news to my ears!
Much more measured approach on your part. Probably why you're so skilled at running this site. I'd have gone all "hair on fire" and started interviewing people on episode 1. Get some in the can indeed!
33 Posted 17/02/2022 at 16:53:36
Carsley wasn't underrated. He was a fantastic footballer, and anyone who knows anything about team sport would appreciate him!
But yes, I wasn't there but can only imagine, he was severely underrated by media and those outside EFC.
34 Posted 17/02/2022 at 17:40:01
Lyndon, Mr Abrahams - pere et fils.
35 Posted 17/02/2022 at 19:37:28
36 Posted 17/02/2022 at 20:05:32
I liked Richardson too.
I also remember him "Starring" in this experiment in his time at Arsenal, which some may recall.
This clip btw doesn't show at least a couple more outbursts at Elleray I remember from him in the programme. He was definitely combative. If anyone has the full thing, please post it.
37 Posted 17/02/2022 at 20:30:46
Your mention of Joseph Yobo brings me back to an incident that happened outside Goodison on one of my few visits to watch us play in the flesh, and a story I have always been meaning to share here on ToffeeWeb.
It was the last game of the 2002/2003 season at home to Man Utd.
Everton took the lead through a Kevin Campbell goal but United went on to win 2-1 after goals from Beckham (a fantastic free kick) and Ruud van Nistelrooy but it was an incident outside the stadium afterwards that stuck in my memory.
We were waiting around outside where the players get onto the team bus. Yobo went past and as he did, handed his boots to a young Everton fan in a nice gesture. Unfortunately I then witnessed an Everton Steward snatch the boots off the kid and put them under his jacket.
I managed to attract the attention of a policeman and told him what had happened. The policeman was reluctant at first to take any action but eventually after I continued to press him, he approached the steward and asked him to open his jacket. Sure enough out popped the boots.
Unfortunately the young kid could not be found so we made sure the boots were taken by an Everton staff member and I filled them in on what had happened.
When I returned home to Ireland after the weekend, I contacted the club and they assured me that the incident was being dealt with, and the individual would no longer be working as a steward at Everton games.
I never did find out if the boots ever found their way to the young kid who would now be in his mid-twenties.
38 Posted 17/02/2022 at 20:47:07
And I can now reveal that that "young fan" was indeed me - a 50-year-old dressed as a kid to be able to get those boots.
I didn't realise until today what you did and I'll be writing to EFC (in my worst schoolboy handwriting) to get those damn boots.
39 Posted 17/02/2022 at 21:10:11
Whos to say what will happen but the player himself will have some input on his destiny.
But lets see what happens v Soton.
40 Posted 18/02/2022 at 01:51:39
Like I said in a previous post, if all goes well, I fully expect Man Utd to either keep him, or use him to tempt Everton to sell them Calvert-Lewin.
41 Posted 20/02/2022 at 03:44:36
I'd like to hear from Dave Abrahams, John Mcfarlane and John Boon about the black-and-white days. They all have a different perspective from the age 40-60 crowd on here. All three seem like smart, eloquent gents too so I'm sure they'd be great interviewees.
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