Everton suspend sponsorship arrangements with Russian companies

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Everton have suspended their sponsorship arrangements with three of their key sponsors in response to Russia's invasion of Ukraine.

The club have joined the international community in either cutting ties or halting their relationships with firms based in Russia in halting all commercial deals with USM Holdings, MegaFon and Yota.

USM Holdings, the conglomerate that Everton owner Farhad Moshiri chairs and in which Uzbek-born oligarch Alisher Usmanov owns a 49% stake, sponsors the club's Finch Farm training complex and has purchased first option on the naming rights for the new stadium at Bramley-Moore Dock.

MegaFon are a key matchday sponsor at Goodison Park and, along with Yota, sponsor Everton Women.

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Work to remove signage featuring the logos of USM-affiliated companies from Goodison Park will begin today while Megafon will be removed from the Women's team jerseys.

Usmanov was included yesterday on a list of Russian oligarchs who are being sanctioned by the European Union and, while the United Kingdom has not yet followed suit, the Government is under pressure from some MPs to take the same measures against the likes of the billionaire and Chelsea owner, Roman Abramovich.

A statement from Everton read:

Everyone at Everton remains shocked and saddened by the appalling events unfolding in Ukraine.

This tragic situation must end as soon as possible, and any further loss of life must be avoided.

The players, coaching staff and everyone working at Everton is providing full support to our player Vitalii Mykolenko and his family and will continue to do so.

The Club can confirm that it has suspended with immediate effect all commercial sponsorship arrangements with the Russian companies USM, Megafon and Yota.

 

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Ian Jones
1 Posted 02/03/2022 at 14:02:02
According to the BBC website and the Everton FC website, the club has suspended commercial arrangements with the Russian companies we are involved with.

About time.

John Chambers
2 Posted 02/03/2022 at 14:34:24
Good
Paul O'Neill
3 Posted 02/03/2022 at 14:37:20
I know it seems insignificant given the wider picture, but I do wonder how this will affect the club and, crucially, the stadium build, given USM's naming rights deal? The club need to come up with a Plan B.
Danny Broderick
4 Posted 02/03/2022 at 14:38:33
The club statement was spot on. To give the club some credit, they always seem to find the right words and actions in situations like this. I just wish our decision-making was as good regarding on-field matters!
Kunal Desai
5 Posted 02/03/2022 at 14:40:46
It's the right decision and I agree with Danny Broderick, clinical decision-making on footballing matters wouldn't go a miss.
Barry Hesketh
6 Posted 02/03/2022 at 14:47:25
In reality it was the only sensible decision the club could have made. If the club hadn't have made this decision, every press conference, every player interview would have been asked "What is your club doing about its ties with Russian companies?" – and it would have become a circus surrounding every match day.

As others have said, this gives everybody some breathing space and they can carefully consider how the club should move forward in the future.

I see someone asked "Why did it take so long to come to this decision?" – for the simple reason that Putin only invaded Ukraine less than a week ago, and Usmanov was only sanctioned by the EU on Monday.

Brian Murray
7 Posted 02/03/2022 at 14:51:01
For Everton, sponsorship and marketing have never been our strong point so, whoever we deal with to take the baton, let's hope it's a decent money-earner for us. Years of "make do and mend" from that imbecile in the stands has taught us that.
Jay Harris
8 Posted 02/03/2022 at 14:52:15
Absolutely correct decision – although the operative word is "suspend" rather than "terminate".

This scandalous behaviour by Russia brings into focus the question of where the money is coming from to fund the Premier League and its collection of millionaire footballers.

Tony Everan
9 Posted 02/03/2022 at 14:53:23
Well done to the club for announcing this. We are on national TV tomorrow and this had to be done today.

Next, we will need some reassurances and information from Mr Moshiri about the new stadium at Bramley-Moore Dock and our future in general.

Jerome Shields
10 Posted 02/03/2022 at 14:54:48
Good. A attempt to preempt should sanctions be imposed.
Tom Cannon
11 Posted 02/03/2022 at 15:13:51
Can you try not to refer to Mr Moshiri as Everton's owner. He is the “majority shareholder” and until he buys out the 100s of smaller shareholders like me and my family, which he shows no sign of doing, that will remain the case.

His decision to abandon AGMs despite holding around 95% of the shares illustrates something about the person and the Board and their concerns about the Shareholder voice.

Brent Stephens
12 Posted 02/03/2022 at 15:25:49
Have we suspended taking the income as well as suspended the advertising / logos?
Barry Hesketh
13 Posted 02/03/2022 at 15:45:01
Brent @11

The decision has cost Everton FC around £500k according to Alan Myers. I doubt any monies has been returned to the sponsor at this point, but it probably means that any further revenue from this source will not be forthcoming for as long as the suspension is in place.

Stan Schofield
14 Posted 02/03/2022 at 15:47:08
A very sensible decision from a PR viewpoint.

From a moral viewpoint, and outside of Everton, it should be accompanied by the UK government imposing a coherent and integrated range of sanctions against any organisations or individuals (A) currently associated with Russia, and/or (B) associated with Russia after the 2014 invasion of Crimea, given that the occurrence of the latter is linked inextricably with the current situation.

Otherwise, sanctions are likely to be window dressing and reflect reactive faux outrage, failing to recognise the vital importance of proactive measures which might have prevented the current invasion, and which are essential for preventing future occurrences, thereby paving a way towards longer-term resolution of the issues surrounding Ukraine.

Alec Gaston
15 Posted 02/03/2022 at 15:47:15
Does anyone know if the plan was for Moshiri to borrow the money for the stadium from Usmanov and then out of that buy the steel from Usmanov – there can be no other reason for a multi-billionaire to be so involved with the club?

Usmanov makes money from lending us the money as well as from supplying the steel etc.

Today's announcement is the right thing to do; I can just see us at Goodison for a long time still.

Derek Knox
16 Posted 02/03/2022 at 15:48:39
Brent @ 11,

"Have we suspended taking the income as well as suspended the advertising / logos? "

If they haven't, they would come up with the excuse "We didn't want to go Russian into things..." :-)

Harry Wallace
17 Posted 02/03/2022 at 15:51:24
I think the club needs to come out, reassure stadium funding is in place, who is providing finance, and talk about sponsorship alternatives.

At the moment, we don't know anything about your stadium funding and it worries me greatly. If it was Russian based, then we're in a mess – like our on-field team currently is.

Danny Baily
18 Posted 02/03/2022 at 16:02:56
It would be good to see the contribution of USM to the stadium and how it might be affected by us cutting ties.

I suspect it was limited to the naming rights.

Much more worrying is that we're looking likely to go down this season. I'm sure that will be the bigger threat to the project.

Brent Stephens
19 Posted 02/03/2022 at 16:19:01
Cheers Barry #12.

Derek, one of your worst howlers!

Mike Gaynes
20 Posted 02/03/2022 at 16:22:16
As always, proud to be an Evertonian. Well done to the club.

I think there's not much point in speculating about the stadium financing right now. Even Usmanov and Moshiri themselves probably don't know the answers because they'll be determined by what happens in Ukraine and Moscow in the next weeks and months. They have no more control over the situation than we do.

Mike Gaynes
21 Posted 02/03/2022 at 16:25:57
DK, please, we're trying to be serious here. Ukraine keep on punning like that.
Kieran Kinsella
22 Posted 02/03/2022 at 16:26:12
Barry,

Don't worry – we can offset that £500k with other Russian money as CSKA Moscow are reportedly paying 75% of Gbamin's wages of £50,000 a week for three months which equates to £585K.

James Gardner
23 Posted 02/03/2022 at 16:42:31
Mike @20.

If you’re seriously upset about these puns, I’d have to say Crimean River mate!

Andy Walker
24 Posted 02/03/2022 at 16:47:29
Well done, Everton. It will probably hurt us but, in the greater scheme of things, it's not that important.

Mike, (#19) with regard to your comment ‘They (Usmanov & Moshiri) have no more control over the situation than we do.' I'm not sure that's the case. Putin and the various oligarchs are connected.

The reason Usmanov became a billionaire is that Putin turned a blind eye, or more likely, approved, his inheritance of masses of former Russian State wealth.

These oligarchs are part of a large club where they all look after each others' backs. Like the oligarchs, Putin has made millions (maybe billions) out of Russia, it just so happened Putin got to play dictator.

These guys will all be connected and no doubt have some influence over Putin. They have the ability to tell Putin to stop being a fucking nutter and protect their own and their families lifestyles and lives, along with us mere mortals. So I think they do have some potential control over Putin, at least let's hope so, for all our sakes.

Tony Everan
25 Posted 02/03/2022 at 16:48:39
Mike, Derek, James,

Consider yourselves reported to the Joke Crimes Tribunal.

Dale Self
26 Posted 02/03/2022 at 16:50:04
Please, aren't the events of the day pun-ishment enough?
Mike Gaynes
27 Posted 02/03/2022 at 16:55:28
Tony #24, VAR says we have committed no foul. Play on.
Jerome Shields
28 Posted 02/03/2022 at 17:06:25
Ask for the Stadium as long as the Contractors keep working.
Neil Copeland
29 Posted 02/03/2022 at 17:07:09
Tony #24, that’s Putin it a bit strong mate
Dale Self
30 Posted 02/03/2022 at 17:11:20
Kyiv me a break! Donetsk for any favors if you crack a joke like that.
Brian Wilkinson
31 Posted 02/03/2022 at 17:20:03
The new stadium, as far as I am aware has not been impacted, apart from the naming rights, sponsorship, the build itself was coming from the private sector.

Pretty sure some of Usmanov's money, as we speak, will have found it's way to Moshiri.

As soon as Roman handed his ownership to the supporters trust, you can bet Usmanov had something in place for his friend Moshiri.

Give it a few more weeks and the impact of the rich Russian money men, seeing the rubble drop quicker than a Salah dive, and the ordinary Russian people hit poverty, will see this awful terror come to an end.

The Russian mafia will not take losing money lightly, horse's head and Oswald spring to mind.

Ian Pilkington
32 Posted 02/03/2022 at 17:24:12
Alan @14

USM is not an organisation that would supply either structural or reinforcing steel to the contractors building the stadium, so that's one thing less to worry about.

Mike Gaynes
33 Posted 02/03/2022 at 17:24:37
Andy #23, we'd all like to think that, but realistically it's simply not the case.

As I posted on another thread, Putin's inner circle is made up of close, often lifelong friends -- people he played hockey and judo with as kids, the guy who introduced him to his wife, his mission partner in the KGB.

Not only do they owe him their billions and their palatial homes and yachts, they see the world exactly has he does. And, by multiple accounts, they have no interest in influencing his decisions -- they simply follow his lead.

Usmanov is not a part of that inner circle, and would be unlikely to have any influence.

Kevin Turner
34 Posted 02/03/2022 at 17:26:45
Kieran #21, it's unlikely CSKA will be able to pay us any money given the sanctions imposed on Russian banks and the fact Russia is excluded for now from the SWIFT system.

This assumes Everton didn't get the money up front or took out insurance given the instability of UK-Russia relations recently. We may therefore see Gbamin back at Finch Farm very soon...

Mike Gaynes
35 Posted 02/03/2022 at 17:27:08
Odessa just getting worse and worse, Dale.
Mike Gaynes
36 Posted 02/03/2022 at 17:32:43
Kieran and Kevin, I believe I read somewhere that CSKA itself is on the sanctions list.
Kieran Kinsella
37 Posted 02/03/2022 at 17:36:41
Kevin/Mike

The bank that owns CSKA is on the sanctions list, meaning West Ham can't pay the next installment on Vlasic. I wonder of the terms of the payments to Gbamin were based on rubles or pounds? If the later he is suddenly much more expensive.

I did wonder of he'd be sent packing but, with no flights allowed to land between the two countries, I guess he'd have to drive

Kristian Boyce
38 Posted 02/03/2022 at 18:01:24
Mike @32,

Usmanov's missus supposedly introduced Putin to his now mistress. I think she's more in the inner circle than him.

Kevin Turner
39 Posted 02/03/2022 at 18:09:04
Kieran/Mike - the deal was probably in US$.

Even Russian citizens were withdrawing dollars from banks that had some. As you say the rouble is worth Jack Shit now against all Western currencies so watch this space! Don't pass Gbamin's locker on to anyone just yet.

Andy Walker
40 Posted 02/03/2022 at 18:12:26
Mike, that may well be the case, but when these billionaires and their families are faced with being turned to dust because of their ‘mate’ I think they’ll reassess.
Mike Gaynes
41 Posted 02/03/2022 at 18:48:13
I like your optimism, Andy.

Kristian, yep, and she's a legend in her own right as an Olympics coach. Putin is crazy about Olympic glory.

Michael Lynch
42 Posted 02/03/2022 at 18:53:37
Peter, he's donating any profits to victims of the war in Ukraine.
Peter Neilson
43 Posted 02/03/2022 at 19:02:08
Yeah, “net proceeds” to charity. Don’t expect a clear account on how this is calculated. Transparency, no chance. Also don’t believe a word that comes from this crook.
Jay Wood
[BRZ]

44 Posted 02/03/2022 at 19:16:31
Suggestions by some that it is Russian oligarchs that 'control' and maintain Putin, I suggest you check out the Channel 4-BBC 3-episode biog on the Russian President:

Putin: A Russian Spy Story

Each episode 45 minutes long. Viewers outside of the UK will probably need a VPN to watch it.

It takes you from his humble impoverished beginnings, to his early days in the KGB. First getting politically involved with the St Petersburg mayor, before moving to Moscow and REALLY moving into powerful spheres.

A fascinating watch with lots of on-camera stories from people who were 'in the room'. Such as his PR men who, after Yeltsin nominated Putin as his successor to be President, had a blank canvas to work with, so anonymous was Putin.

Footage of the oligarchs is revealing. Yes, there was collusion. They could keep their ill-gotten gains if they supported and aligned themselves to Putin's government.

The richest and most powerful of them all, Mikhail Khodorkovsky, openly challenged Putin about corruption in his government. He was made an example of and put away for 10 years. As a result, the other 'lesser' oligarchs learnt very quickly not to cross Putin.

In other words, it is not the oligarchs controlling Putin. It is Putin who holds the dog whistle and choker.

It is the same with political opponents. It is well into double figures the oligarchs and critics - politicians, journalists, human rights activists - who have died violently or mysteriously having crossed Putin.

I've read in recent days that Putin is 'mad'. I don't think he is clinically mad.

He is, I believe, a super-narcissist. A megalomaniac. A hard, cold, calculating dictator who, like most dictators, keeps himself in power through a reign of terror over his opponents. Be it the oligarchs or political opponents, or even the people. He is murderously revengeful.

There is a certain 'rationale' as to why he has moved in on Ukraine, even though for many that rationale neither justifies nor legitimizes his invasion.

That Ukraine has held out for nearly a week already, given Russia's military might, is remarkable.

But this man is ruthless. In the last 24 hours we have seen a considerable escalation in the bombardment of civilian areas, contrary to all his claims about only targeting military installations.

The encirclement, the laying to siege of cities, starving them to the point of death, is a game play from Putin's military interventions in Chechen and Syria.

This, I believe, is about to get very bloody.

Dale Self
45 Posted 02/03/2022 at 19:22:39
Cite the post that claims that specific statement, Jay. I'll check back for a reply, I don't recall anyone making that statement. No strawman stuff please.

I'm not sure it even matters once you've signed up for criminal conspiracy. You don't really get an escape clause from relationships like that.

And just for humour, let's not rule out that this is just an episode of syphilitic rage.

Jay Wood
[BRZ]

46 Posted 02/03/2022 at 19:43:20
Presuming that you are addressing me, Dale, care to clarify what on earth you are referencing?

I'm guessing you don't fully grasp what constitutes a strawman argument.

Mark Rankin
47 Posted 02/03/2022 at 19:46:55
The Premier League is awash with dirty money and dirty financial practices and Everton sold its soul – like many of the other Premier League clubs.
Dale Self
48 Posted 02/03/2022 at 19:47:39
You guess wrong. Who made the claim that the oligarchs control Putin? A quote or something close to that is all I'm asking for there.
Gary Jones
49 Posted 02/03/2022 at 20:03:05
I honestly couldn't give a shit about the new stadium and/or winning trophies soon. I don't care if Moshiri stays or goes.

I'll be there and cheering tomorrow, of course, but all I want is that we stay up, we stay a Premier League club, and those lot win nothing more than Carabao Cup… not a lot to ask!

Mike Gaynes
50 Posted 02/03/2022 at 20:03:39
Excuse my jumping in. Several folks here have speculated -- wishfully, in my opinion -- that the oligarchs might be able to influence Putin. I don't think anybody said or implied that they control him.
Robert Tressell
51 Posted 02/03/2022 at 20:12:23
He is a psychopath and no-one controls him. However, if a collection of very powerful people and the wider Russian population saw their opportunity, they may be able to get rid of him. Wishful thinking probably.
Dale Self
52 Posted 02/03/2022 at 20:39:39
Fair enough, I'm willing to get less sensitive but that dude that clipped and pasted Glenn Greenwald's weak shit yesterday has me concerned about the discussion standards.
Colin Glassar
53 Posted 02/03/2022 at 20:43:10
Occasionally, the board get some things right and this is right.

On another note, this is a 'suspension' right? Not a complete break???

Jay Wood
[BRZ]

54 Posted 02/03/2022 at 20:43:15
Dale (and Mike). Thank you for establishing what Dale questions in my post. It was this:

'Suggestions by some that it is Russian oligarchs that 'control' and maintain Putin...'

'Control' is in inverted commas, which in my typography can be interpreted to mean a hypothetical. The synonym 'influence' equally sits well here, which is the word Mike switches in, acknowledging that this is what others have speculated on.

Semantics, eh?

I tend to agree with Mike that it is wishful thinking to believe the oligarchs can control/influence (delete/select as per your personal preference) Putin to the degree some speculate.

To support that view, I linked to a revealing 3-episode biography on the man. It demonstrates very graphically the evolution of the symbiotic relationship between the greenhorn President and the oligarchs. It portrays Putin as the alpha dog in the pack. Watch it, or don't.

Specifically for you, Dale, none of my original post constitutes a strawman argument, because:

1) I wasn't disputing the opinion of any one person or group;
2) I didn't put up any sort of fallacy, or misrepresentation of anyone's stated opinion, typical of an actual strawman argument.

Conclusion: back to Basic Philosophy 101 for you, Dale.

Dale Self
55 Posted 02/03/2022 at 20:48:37
Damn it, Jay, I just said I would check out of that and you go and drop a deuce! That would be item #2 in your conclusion.

If you have to adopt a different word, moving from 'control' to 'influence', then you have admitted that you constructed an initial false and unjustifiably flattering basis to bootstrap your argument. Ta Da! That's a strawman, Jay.

You're welcome, that one is on the house. Thanks for playing.

Jay Wood
[BRZ]

56 Posted 02/03/2022 at 20:59:35
Deary me Dale. Seriously?

And you express 'concern' at the discussion standards?

You're getting flustered over nothing, Dale.

Watch the shared link I put up. Or don't.

That was the primary focus of my original post that, for whatever reason best known to you, so inflamed you.

To share relevant information on a hot and relevant topic.

That's it.

Dale Self
57 Posted 02/03/2022 at 21:07:05
Won't. That's credibility at work, Jay.
Ray Smith
58 Posted 02/03/2022 at 21:17:30
What does 'suspend' mean???

This will come back and bite us, if we don't cut our ties with one of Putin's puppets!!!

Jay Wood
[BRZ]

59 Posted 02/03/2022 at 21:17:59
Dale, credibility?

If you are sincere about your 'concerns' for discussion standards, how about contributing something meaningful, relevant, insightful to TW, rather than only joining in a game of puns, foot-stomping and pouting as you have in this thread?

Brent Stephens
60 Posted 02/03/2022 at 21:20:12
Ray #62 - I suspect we're keeping our options open.
Robert Tressell
61 Posted 02/03/2022 at 21:46:17
Sorry if mentioned already but just seen on Twitter that Usmanov's yacht has been seized in Hamburg by German authorities. I didn't know this but the thread (take it with a pinch of salt) said Usmanov was the one who invested heavily in Facebook when they were struggling for money.

Lots of implications to all of that for Usmanov I expect. Us too perhaps.

Kieran Kinsella
62 Posted 02/03/2022 at 21:50:50
Robert,

That's true on Facebook – he made I think a billion for selling shares after his initial investment helped bankroll it at the outset.

Derek Knox
63 Posted 02/03/2022 at 22:12:28
Kristian @38,

"Usmanov's missus supposedly introduced Putin to his now mistress. I think she's more in the inner circle than him."

The Buffalo Girls go Round The Outside. :-)

Joe Ross
64 Posted 02/03/2022 at 22:17:49
Andy Finigan
65 Posted 02/03/2022 at 22:27:43
Can I ask all Evertonians and anyone else reading this to stop buying Chinese products as this may be the only way to get a message across to stop supporting Putin.
Dale Self
66 Posted 02/03/2022 at 22:29:25
Jay, Yalta take your own advice. Sorry, I've been waiting to work Yalta in all day. That's how things L'vov. You understand don't you Jay?
Mike Gaynes
67 Posted 02/03/2022 at 22:34:59
Ray, the war is only a week old and nothing is making sense right now, so a one-step-at-a-time approach is understandable.

Robert and Joe, the Germans just announced a huge increase in their defense spending. This seizure will save their Navy budget a billion or so for a new patrol boat -- just a quick conversion, toss some satin pillows over the side, and rename it the Gerd Mueller.

Mike Gaynes
68 Posted 02/03/2022 at 22:37:22
Andy, you'd have to stop posting and toss your laptop. It's full of Chinese-made elements and parts.

Hey, did you guys know China asked Putin to delay the Ukraine invasion until after the Olympics?

China Asked Russia to Delay Ukraine War Until After Olympics, say US Officials

Brian Williams
69 Posted 02/03/2022 at 22:49:56
Stop buying Chinese products?

For fuck's sake... most of our houses would be half-empty!

Matt Byrne
70 Posted 02/03/2022 at 23:39:03
Sending best wishes to all the people and innocent families in Ukraine. Perhaps if and when peace comes, we can invite our old pals from Metalist Kharkiv over for a new brotherhood match with match profits going to the families. Just don't invite Andy Johnson to take any penalties...

Any of you lads go to that away 2nd leg? I recall goals from McFadden and Big Victor. What was Kharkiv like?

Chris Hockenhull
71 Posted 02/03/2022 at 23:50:36
Amazing to see a fair few jokers in the pack weighing in with “ hilarious “ comments about this horrid situation. Don't Be Denied eh…
Dale Self
72 Posted 03/03/2022 at 00:19:44
If that is directed at any of my posts, I apologize. Simply trying to lighten up while feeling the weight of what is going on over there. If I crossed a line by trying to make light, I regret how that might come across to others. I assure you, I take this very seriously, as some of my other posts may indicate.
Mike Gaynes
73 Posted 03/03/2022 at 00:34:24
Chris, I've hung out with a fair few combat veterans who shared accounts of the jokes they cracked while the bullets were flying. And I guess you've never been to a funeral where people burst out laughing.

Nothing wrong with that.

David Israel
74 Posted 03/03/2022 at 01:37:22
Kevin,

Gbamin has been spotted boarding an ice-breaker in Archangel, as flights have been banned. Said ice-breaker due at Grangemouth some time in April. He'll be eligible for the FA Cup semi-final.

Chris Hockenhull
75 Posted 03/03/2022 at 01:57:46
Mike Gaynes,

I assure you you don't know what dark territories my life has taken me so do not presume where or not I have been.

Dale… what an honest response that I applaud you with, sir!

Kieran Kinsella
76 Posted 03/03/2022 at 03:07:49
Dale

The Sun (I know) newspaper, the top selling in the UK (even though it's a rag,) has a front page story today by a defense expert arguing that the oligarchs will overthrow Putin.

I think it is nonsense and disagree but it substantiates Jay's comment that some people think the oligarchs ‘control' the show. Hence the clamor in the media to go after them.

Alan J Thompson
77 Posted 03/03/2022 at 03:41:58
Kieran;

But wouldn't that be because the Murdoch Empire think they can do that and has been their boast, to my knowledge, since 1975.

Oh, and was it Elvis Costello some years ago who wrote that poetic line, "but you don't get no tits in the Daily Express"?

Ed Prytherch
78 Posted 03/03/2022 at 03:51:52
The seizure of Usmanov's yacht is reported in the Washington Examiner. It is undergoing a refit. They say it cost $600 million.
Dale Self
79 Posted 03/03/2022 at 04:29:46
Hey Kieran, first off I'm just looking for some civility in how statements are advanced. You citing The Sun is fine and, while I disagree with that anonymous expert, that is a fairly presented position. My thing above is about what I thought was an unfair setup for the argument.

My angle is that the oligarchs are culpable for what is happening and that none deserve a pass at this point, game's up. There may be differences about whether their capital accumulation is fully down to being in the syndicate but to suggest they deserve consideration beyond the sfuff we already know about seems absurd to me.

They are not diplomats. Some have refused citizenships due to their obvious complicity. There is enough there to pursue seizure as a counter to the move their boss made. No asymmetrical accountability should force us to keep something off the table that could help the Ukrainians.

I hope that doesn't read like a rant. I'm open to some criticism on this but could do without ridicule. Thanks for reading.

Mike Gaynes
80 Posted 03/03/2022 at 05:14:08
Ed, I can't wait for the Examiner op-ed opposing Germany's action. A Socialist government seizing private property? Outrageous.
Brent Stephens
81 Posted 03/03/2022 at 07:17:32
My take on the "the oligarchs" is that they are just one lever in a whole array of levers being used against Putin (the UN, the EU, NATO, sports bodies, arts bodies, industrial organisations divesting of assets, etc). Given the seriousness of the situation,

I see action taken against oligarchs, such as (temporary) seizure of their assets, as a reasonable lever - just one influence to add to the rest, in an attempt to control Putin.

Colin Glassar
82 Posted 03/03/2022 at 07:30:51
Putin needs to be stopped now before it's too late. Like Hitler, he is pushing the envelope to see just how far he can go.

First Chechnya, then Georgia, later the Crimea, now Ukraine. So who's next? Moldova? The Baltic states? Poland? All have Russian speaking communities which he can use as an excuse to invade.

Of course the sanctions on Usmanov might hurt us financially but there are things far more important than our transfer kitty or a new stadium. Not many I know, but this is far bigger.

Andy Walker
83 Posted 03/03/2022 at 07:52:06
Reuters reporting this morning that Usmanov’s £600 million superyacht has been seized by German authorities in Hamburg port.

Edit: Apologies Ed, missed your early post on this.

Dale Rose
84 Posted 03/03/2022 at 09:43:40
I don't like to see politics on this site. I think it would overload the servers to comment on this particular issue and world affairs, since the end of the war. The world has been run on hypocrisy for decades.

I think Ukraine should surrender and put an end to the terrible human cost that is coming, better to jaw jaw than war war.

Michael Kenrick
85 Posted 03/03/2022 at 10:11:43
Dale,

Describing the unprecedented attack on a neutral country by Putin as merely 'politics' is underplaying it a little, don't you think? And given Everton's indisputable ties to a sanctioned oligarch who commands not one but three of our main sponsors, it's hardly something we can just turn a blind eye to.

Putin made it clear that just talking about this was not going to stop him, and you deciding what Ukrainians should or shouldn't do in response is a bit much, to be honest. Surely that's entirely their call and the least you could do is respect it?

Meanwhile, the Echo are reporting that: "Everton have started to remove all branding connected to Alisher Usmanov firms from the club’s Goodison Park ground ahead of tonight’s FA Cup tie against Boreham Wood.

"As well as branding being removed from inside and outside of Goodison, the LED advertising boards around the outside of the pitch will also no longer feature anything from USM, MegaFon or Yota related.

"Wherever the removal of branding cannot be completed in time for tonight's match, the club will endeavour to cover up logos and other advertising as best they can.

"Tonight's programme will also not feature any USM branding throughout the pages or on the front cover, which have been prevalent for a number of years."

Everton take immediate Goodison Park action after suspending Alisher Usmanov ties

Dave Roberts
86 Posted 03/03/2022 at 10:21:49
Dale 84.

I don't like to see people advising innocent victims to surrender on this site. It reminds me of the advice women have received historically that it may be safer to give a rapist what he wants. Sorry to upset the quiet life you crave Dale, but victims don't get a chance to jaw jaw when they surrender in a war war.

What they do get are orders to listen listen and obey obey.

Back to business. I did post this earlier but it seems to have disappeared.

I don't understand the view that Usmanov's imminent departure from his association with Everton will cause the club financial difficulties. I've not seen, read or heard any evidence that, aside from sponsorship, he has either assisted or invested in Everton, either generally or specific to the stadium. We can find other sponsors.

I stand to be corrected if any evidence exists but I firmly believe this is as much a myth as the Fortress Sports Fund investment!

Dale Rose
87 Posted 03/03/2022 at 10:26:29
Michael. 85.

I can't disagree with you. However, the human cost of this war, the root cause of which is political ideology, is going to prove devastating to the general population of Ukraine. That really was the point I was making.

Dave Abrahams
89 Posted 03/03/2022 at 10:37:21
Dale (84),

I think you are wrong to ask the editors of ToffeeWeb to stop putting political points of view on these threads, but I support your view that it would be better for Ukraine to surrender at this point in the Russian attack.

In fact, to me, the Mayor of the city in Ukraine who has just done that is more of a hero than the leader of Ukraine who is urging his people to carry on fighting. One is saving lives, the other is asking for the slaughter of his people.

I don't need to be told how brave the people of Ukraine have been but surely enough is enough now, in this unequal war with no referee to step in and end this devastation.

Dave Roberts
90 Posted 03/03/2022 at 10:39:07
Dale,

So the human cost of the second World War, in your view, should have led to us surrendering to the Nazis?

Do yourself a favour and stop digging. As much as all decent people detest war, sometimes a stand has to be made otherwise the world would forever be under the control of the biggest paranoid bully and there would be no opportunity for people like you to offer your opinions silly as they may be.

James Marshall
91 Posted 03/03/2022 at 10:49:37
I'm not the brightest button in the box, but isn't Usmanov's money, Moshiri's money? I don't see where the link starts/ends other than Moshiri being Iranian and Usmanov being Russian.

How are we defining Russian wealth now? It appears to be based purely on his nationality – just because Moshiri isn't Russian, all his money is tied into Russia, Usmanov and all of his companies so what's the difference?

Dale Rose
92 Posted 03/03/2022 at 10:52:54
Dave 90.

This has obviously hit a nerve with you. We are going to disagree, so I will leave it there. My views are mine and yours are yours.

Dave Roberts
93 Posted 03/03/2022 at 11:01:46
Dale,

No it didn't touch a nerve at all. I don't think there IS a nerve for total bewilderment.

Dale Rose
94 Posted 03/03/2022 at 11:09:07
Dave, let's leave it there.
Dave Roberts
95 Posted 03/03/2022 at 11:09:47
James, 91.

Got news for you mate. Usmanov is not Russian either, he's Uzbeki.
Uzbek(istan) used to be part of the USSR but has been independent since the collapse.

Jay Wood
[BRZ]

96 Posted 03/03/2022 at 11:34:22
Dale @ 79.

Seriously? Again? The irony.

For someone whose contribution to this thread includes:
* claims you are 'concerned about discussion standards' on the site
* falsely accusing others of 'strawman arguments' they haven't made
* ask for 'civility' in exchanges
* claiming to be 'open to some criticism, but could do without the ridicule'
* putting up crass 'puns'...

Read your own posts back. You hypocritically fall well short of the high standards you demand of others, Dale.

WHO, WHERE and WHEN, as you now claim, has anyone suggested the oligarchs 'deserve consideration beyond the stuff we already know'?

WHO, WHERE and WHEN has anyone categorically opposed sanctions as a means to 'help the Ukrainians', as you further claim?

To my eye Dale, your contribution to this thread exposes:
* your very limited reading comprehension skills
* a total absence of 'standards and civility' you demand of others
* an absence of genuine engagement in the debate other than baseless 'ad hominem' arguments
* some wincing crass 'humour'

It's not a good look Dale.

James Marshall
97 Posted 03/03/2022 at 11:38:58
Dave@95

Okay so Usmanov is Uzbek, but that's way more Russian than my English/Welsh heritage so I'm going to call him Russian (I have no idea if this would upset him). It also makes him more Russian than Moshiri's Iranian, so...

What's the difference in Moshiri's money and Usmanov's other than his nationality?

Dave Roberts
98 Posted 03/03/2022 at 13:06:27
James,

There's no such concept as 'more Russian' than X or more Welsh than y. You're either Russian or Welsh, Canadian Innuit or Kalahari bushman.

It was you who brought nationality into it by raising the fact that Moshiri is Iranian and mistakenly that Usmanov was Russian. Nationality has nothing to do with it. The issue is dirty money stolen from the Russian people and while there is evidence that Usmanov is guilty of such theft there is no evidence as far as I'm aware of Moshiri being guilty of it.

Moshiri has been an employee of Usmanov. But if it transpired that the salary your employer paid you was from the profits of their theft does that make you just as guilty as your employer?

No, the difference between their respective wealth is that Usmanov's money is his and Moshiri's belongs to Moshiri.

Kieran Kinsella
99 Posted 03/03/2022 at 13:38:25
Dave Abrahams

That mayor made a tough call. I understand why he did it but, at the same time, some Jewish leaders did that with Hitler, thinking it would prevent more bloodshed.

Dennis Stevens
100 Posted 03/03/2022 at 13:42:00
I dunno, Dave #98 - I was made in Wales but I haven't got it stamped on my bottom!
Michael Lynch
101 Posted 03/03/2022 at 13:42:15
One for the big brains on here who seem to know everything: if they're seizing Usmanov's and Abramovich's yachts, why won't they seize their football teams?

Surely we can only be days away from Chelsea being seized, and, at the very least, Finch Farm being taken by the government and temporarily shut down?

What's the difference between a yacht and a football team, if they paid for both out of Putin's money?

Michael Williams
102 Posted 03/03/2022 at 13:55:22
Glad Usmanov is gone from EFC.

I want to see a little more about how Moshiri actually made his money because I have serious concerns. As Chairman of Usmanov's largest holding company and an apparent very close long-time relationship, it's hard for me to believe that Moshiri is not complicit in many of Usmanov's activities.

Ed Prytherch
103 Posted 03/03/2022 at 14:02:27
Michael 102. I agree with you. Moshiri is not Usmanov and it would be good to know that they are not partners in crime.
Michael Williams
104 Posted 03/03/2022 at 14:03:25
It's not our place to tell the Ukrainians they should surrender. It's their country that has been invaded and, if they are going to keep it, then a lot of their people are going to die.

As long as they are fighting, we should do everything we can to support them, not advising them from our keyboards to surrender and then get absorbed by Russia.

They will become an oppressed people living under dictators for decades if not a lot longer.

Brian Harrison
105 Posted 03/03/2022 at 14:22:27
For those calling for Usmanov to be removed from the club, I have no argument, but why is it that I haven't seen any posts suggesting he would be bad for our club before the Russian invasion of Ukraine?

He and Abramovich have been linked to Putin for decades, yet not a peep from anyone saying they should not be involved in Chelsea or, in Usmanov's case, be involved in Arsenal or Everton.

We now have that stupid Nadine Dorris suggesting in Parliament that our new ground should be seized; he is a sponsor not an owner like Abramovich. I would give her more credibility if she was saying that the peerage they gave to Evgeny Lebedev be rescinded and all the donations her party received from known Putin associates be returned.

I, like everybody else, am appalled at the actions of this deranged dictator, using force to invade a neighbouring peaceful country, and to see those brave valiant Ukrainians fighting so hard against overwhelming odds is truly inspiring and has the total admiration of the whole western world.

I also feel incredibly sad for the millions and millions of Russians who oppose this action like we all do. But Putin has threatened anybody on the street protesting against the war will be jailed for a minimum of 15 years.

So just think on that when you see ordinary Russians on the street protesting and what they stand to lose. They are also a very proud nation; sadly, they don't have the same democracy that we in the west have to remove despots like Putin.

I watched a programme on the BBC about World War 2 and it's estimated that Russia lost 8.6 million soldiers and in total 20 million Russians died fighting the Germans. When you put UK losses at 450,000 and USA losses at 291,000, it certainly puts things into perspective.

Barry Hesketh
106 Posted 03/03/2022 at 15:04:41
Not a serious question but more a response to those who seem to believe that swift action is preferable to thoughtful and considered action.

I wonder if Arsenal Football Club, should be seized too? After all, they allowed Usmanov and Moshiri to invest in their club a long time prior to Everton and they have spent the 'dirty money' from the sales of shares – not once but twice.

Should all the clubs that Everton have paid transfers to in the last 6 years be seized as well? Should all the players and managers we have employed during the last 6 years have their assets frozen?

Where does it stop?

Ray Roche
107 Posted 03/03/2022 at 15:08:03
Nadine Dorries is, surprise, surprise, a ‘keen supporter of Liverpool football club “ according to her Wikipedia page. Are there no limits to the depths they won't go to to stop the new stadium at Bramley-Moore Dock?

This is the bitch who employed her daughter as ‘Office Manager' on £40k-45k a year in her job as an MP despite her daughter living 96 miles from the office.

Kevin Prytherch
108 Posted 03/03/2022 at 15:24:08
Might be an unpopular question but….

How bad is Usmanov?

I know he’s a billionaire with much of his business in Russia, but he also seems to have gotten rich in different ways to your stereotypical “oligarch”, whilst also doing numerous good deeds along the way and becoming one hell of a philanthropist. He knew Putin back in 2010, as I’m sure many other people did.

So what are his crimes? (Serious question, not meant to be patronising)

Mike Gaynes
109 Posted 03/03/2022 at 15:37:05
Michael #101, no big brain here, just big mouth, but a yacht is personal property and a football club is not. The seizure of a business entity is a lot more legally complex than repossessing a boat.

Also, it's not Putin's money per se. He gave these oligarchs opportunity and support, but he didn't give them their billions.

Michael #104, well said.

Kev #108, that's a problematic question. Many of these oligarchs accumulated their wealth through acquiring formerly USSR state-owned assets very cheaply in an infamous loans-for-share privatization scheme that involved.backroom deals, takeovers, corruption, bribes and the like.

However, none of it was illegal. There were no anti-corruption laws on the books in Russia. None. The first laws weren't passed until 2008, 17 years after the USSR collapsed. To be a criminal requires breaking the law, and there was no law to break.

As for Usmanov, he spent six years in prison in Uzbekistan in the 1980s for business theft of state USSR property. When Uzbekistan became independent, the conviction was vacated by their new Supreme Court. What Usmanov did subsequently to get super-rich was apparently not in violation of any existing laws in either country.

Ray Roche
110 Posted 03/03/2022 at 15:39:52
Michael @101
I thought that Finch Farm was owned by the council and rented/leased back to Everton? So it couldn’t be ‘seized’.
Kieran Kinsella
111 Posted 03/03/2022 at 15:49:26
Barry Hesketh

Exactly. Maybe Nadine can explain to Vitaliy Mykolenko that he is indirectly supporting Putin by taking money from an Oligarch. We will also have to sieze the entire continent of South America, most of Africa, and Asia as they all receive direct financial support from Putin's regime. Then as Stan pointed out there's Liverpool's sponsors Standard Chartered who profited from violating sanctions, all the people who sold 2 billion pounds worth of property to oligarchs in London, the 623 UK companies owned or part owned by oligarchs. Blimey by the time we seize all of that we will have quite empire.

Rob Halligan
112 Posted 03/03/2022 at 15:59:14
Maybe the RS should be seized too. After all, they have took millions from UEFA, who in turn have took millions in sponsorship from Gazprom. So, seize UEFA, the RS, Man Utd, Man City, Chelsea, Arsenal and Spurs. In fact every club that’s played in the CL and taken money from UEFA!! Seize the lot!
Kieran Kinsella
113 Posted 03/03/2022 at 16:01:42
Saint Nadine Dorries:

"In August 2011, Dorries led the first delegation of Members of Parliament to Equatorial Guinea. It is a small African country, but the third-biggest oil producer on the continent, ruled since 1979 by President Teodoro Obiang Nguema. It has one of the worst human rights records on the continent. She met the Prime Minister of Equatorial Guinea, Ignacio Milam Tang. She has been quoted as saying to him: "We are here to dispel some of the myths about Equatorial Guinea and also with humility to offer you help to avoid the mistakes we have made." According to the official website of Equatorial Guinea, Dorries was one of nine MPs on the trip.

Kieran Kinsella
114 Posted 03/03/2022 at 16:10:33
Also if this about ethics and not publicity then why hasn't any attention focused on Maxim Victorovich Demin owner of Bournemouth? Surely dirty money is dirty regardless of how high profile the club is?
Christopher Nicholls
115 Posted 03/03/2022 at 16:12:32
I hope this is a severance of ties with Russia and not a suspension.
Stan Schofield
116 Posted 03/03/2022 at 16:17:25
This business of ordinary Ukrainian citizens fighting the invading Russians. Obviously it's not our place to tell a Ukrainian whether they should offer resistance. However, it seems wrong for officials and politicians to actively ENCOURAGE ordinary citizens to do so.

If the invading force is a standing professional army, resistance should surely be from a standing professional army. Ordinary citizens surely should not be encouraged to engage a professional military attack. If that's not encouraging ordinary folks to be suicidal, I don't know what is.

Mike Gaynes
117 Posted 03/03/2022 at 16:25:23
Kieran #114, I saw a one-line news item to the effect that Demin is not subject to sanctions because he's a British citizen, not Russian.
Dennis Stevens
118 Posted 03/03/2022 at 16:26:19
I thought it was reported that Usmanov was convicted of rape but that the conviction was subsequently quashed/overturned & deemed itself to be illegal.
Tony Abrahams
119 Posted 03/03/2022 at 16:27:18
The Oligarchs are taking up a lot of our attention, like everyone in our own country is squeaky clean. We have a man who initially wanted to remain in Europe, (until he saw a fantastic opportunity) as our current Prime Minister, and him and his mates, have no doubt made absolute fortunes on the back of Covid?
Mike Gaynes
120 Posted 03/03/2022 at 16:39:46
Dennis #118, when Usmanov first connected with our club I did some background research (I'm an old journo myself, so it's a reflex), and this 15-year-old article is the most comprehensive I found regarding Usmanov's background and criminal record:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2007/nov/19/football.russia

No question Usmanov is an avid Putin supporter. He publicly attacked Putin's rival Navalny a couple of years before the poisoning attempt on Navalny's life.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/may/24/i-spit-on-you-again-alisher-usmanov-video-alexei-navalny

On the other hand, he's also one of the most charitable people on earth, according to Forbes and others:

https://www.intellinews.com/billionaire-alisher-usmanov-leads-the-forbes-list-for-charitable-donations-in-russia-to-fight-coronavirus-181375/

So draw your own conclusions.

Dale Self
121 Posted 03/03/2022 at 16:48:21
First off Dale Rose is making my TW existence more challenging and secondly Jay please note my reference to asymmetrical accountability. If you wish to go low with standards Hell Yeah I've got some material I'd like to try out. Everyone loves to be a comedian.

Perhaps, returning to the core issues would be helpful after the game of course. Or take a shot before, whatever.

Bill Gall
122 Posted 03/03/2022 at 16:48:28
I may be wrong but isn't sponsoring something different from owning it. Usmanov is a sponsor for FF, and the women' team, he also paid for the naming rites for the new stadium. I wonder what he would have called it.
Everton is owned by the shareholders of which Moshiri is the major shareholder.
The only reason that these Oligarchs are being sanctioned is that they are supposed to be close to Putin and and if their fortunes are sanctioned they will try to talk him out of this insane war against Ukraine.
There has been no complaints before of how they made their fortunes, Abramovich has been with Chelsea for over 10 seasons and most of the rest of the premier league has been trying to get Billionaire backing to help them catch up.
Everton have taken the correct procedure of what was asked of them, they have not been, and no one else have asked, to have sanctions put on their Iranian born major shareholder.
Question. If these sanctions work and the Oligarchs manage to get Putin to stop this war, will we except Ustamov to provide sponsoring to the club.?
Bill Gall
123 Posted 03/03/2022 at 16:48:28
I may be wrong but isn't sponsoring something different from owning it. Usmanov is a sponsor for FF, and the women' team, he also paid for the naming rites for the new stadium. I wonder what he would have called it.
Everton is owned by the shareholders of which Moshiri is the major shareholder.
The only reason that these Oligarchs are being sanctioned is that they are supposed to be close to Putin and and if their fortunes are sanctioned they will try to talk him out of this insane war against Ukraine.
There has been no complaints before of how they made their fortunes, Abramovich has been with Chelsea for over 10 seasons and most of the rest of the premier league has been trying to get Billionaire backing to help them catch up.
Everton have taken the correct procedure of what was asked of them, they have not been, and no one else have asked, to have sanctions put on their Iranian born major shareholder.
Question. If these sanctions work and the Oligarchs manage to get Putin to stop this war, will we except Ustamov to provide sponsoring to the club.?
Bill Gall
124 Posted 03/03/2022 at 16:56:51
I don't know why my article comes up twice as I only press once, but at 81 I ask to be forgiven.
Dale Self
125 Posted 03/03/2022 at 16:57:35
With all due respect to those arguing for due process I think this comes under a consideration of exigent circumstances and some seizure with a full legal review is on the table. If this causes Derapaska to keep publishing advice to Pouty Puty and it works, fine. There is ample evidence to at least give them a full reputational upgrade so everyone REALLY knows their local oligarch. Then if we cannot find anything legally wrong with their business models and subsequent behavior as an alleged agent of a war crimes state they get their stuff back with interest. The interest comes with the state managing those assets until the legal review is concluded.
Dale Self
126 Posted 03/03/2022 at 16:58:09
Isn't that the Billbot Bill?
Will Mabon
127 Posted 03/03/2022 at 16:59:02
Stan @ 116:

You're one of the few to notice and mention that (Not on here but generally). There's an awful lot of theatre going on, mind.

Dale Self
128 Posted 03/03/2022 at 17:01:57
Stan and Will seem to misunderstand the 'will to fight' concept. They want to fight for their country and were receptive of the invitation you are sadly complaining about.
Dale Self
129 Posted 03/03/2022 at 17:02:43
Oh, UTFU!!! and (look away Jay) FU!
Kieran Kinsella
130 Posted 03/03/2022 at 17:11:19
Dale

"With all due respect to those arguing for due process I think this comes under a consideration of exigent circumstances and some seizure with a full legal review is on the table."

You're heading into really dangerous territory there. The US locked up ethnic Japanese people using a similar rationale in WWII in an act that has been widely condemned. Likewise, it is precisely the act and logic Putin himself has used to justify seizing assets from oligarchs in Russia. We gave sanctuary to a corrupt gangster oligarch Khodorkovsky after Putin seized his assets. Do we now want to employ the same methods? In a similar vein, one Kiev newspaper had a report yesterday that one of their special forces commanders had said they'd have a no-prisoners/execute the enemy policy for any captured Russian airmen as they were at this point viewed as genocidal terrorists. The suggestion was widely and rightfully condemned by other Ukranians. Obviously, that's much worse than your suggestion but it's the same kind of "ends justify the means" logic that sets precedents. In the UK specifically, we have a sorry history of locking up innocent Irish people when we adopted a similar mindset during "The Troubles."

Will Mabon
131 Posted 03/03/2022 at 17:11:39
I think you misunderstand use of words, is the problem, Dale.

The principle of that "Invitation" was the point, not the will of the people to fight.

Dale Rose
132 Posted 03/03/2022 at 17:14:44
Dale Self.

Sorry about that mate. I could say the same about you. Have been scrolling all day, every time I see the name Dale.

Dale Self
133 Posted 03/03/2022 at 17:23:14
Fair enough mate, probably worse for you now that I think of the posts above for instance. Don't change anything and maybe it gets more tolerable.

Kieran looks to be willing to discuss diplomatically so take it easy that one is for me. ; )

Dale Self
134 Posted 03/03/2022 at 17:24:37
I've got a meeting Kieran, back in 30-40 if you're expecting a response. I know that was dangerous territory I was alluding to there.
Mike Gaynes
135 Posted 03/03/2022 at 17:36:29
Dale and Dale, I'm having the same problem. I know a Rose is a Rose but I need more Self-awareness.
Dale Self
136 Posted 03/03/2022 at 17:38:20
Kieran, I'm glad you reeled that back to an "ends justify the means" characterization. I was about to get excited. I see that but could easily counter that no one is suffering any consequences that cannot be posited and registered in a legal forum wherein they may be entitled to damages should the case be weak. I'm only saying we don't take this off the table I'm not presenting the case, yet.

This is better, isn't it?

Dale Self
137 Posted 03/03/2022 at 17:39:30
Everyone Gaynes from contributions like that Mike. ; )
James Marshall
138 Posted 03/03/2022 at 18:05:30
Dave@98

Agreed on the point about Moshiri being an employee - point very much taken.

Not sure I agree with you on the nationality thing though - my Mother is Welsh and I lived there for 3 years as a 7-10yr old but my old man is English and I've lived the rest of my life in England (bar a few years in Asia). I feel English but l would describe myself as half Welsh so I think people can have dual nationality, and not just by passport.

Stan Schofield
139 Posted 03/03/2022 at 18:26:56
Dale@128: I haven't questioned the will to fight, I've simply questioned officials and politicians ENCOURAGING ordinary citizens (civilians) to fight a professional military force. You should see that if you read my post again.

By the way, I'm not complaining about anything, but simply raising an issue for discussion.

James@138: I live in Aberdeenshire, and originate from Liverpool. A local Scotsman once referred to me as an Englishman, to which I replied that I'm not an Englishman but a Scouser. He didn't argue with that.

Gary Jones
140 Posted 03/03/2022 at 18:35:04
Money spent on football has been utterly mind boggling, started by the Mancs and the Red Shite, and accelerated by Chelsea and Man City. Not sure it'll stop with the Saudis now owning Toon, but something's got to give somewhere. Small countries have spent less than the Premier League clubs.

How much every club has spent in the Premier League era...

Dale Self
141 Posted 03/03/2022 at 18:46:44
Stan, "it seems wrong" and in caps ENCOURAGE tips your hand. You weighed in on the discussion by using those terms. I don't think citizens facing an existential threat should be forced to face an opponent that uses vacuum bombs and blows up hospitals without a second thought but if they do I'm on their side. UTFU!!
Stan Schofield
142 Posted 03/03/2022 at 18:53:10
Dale@141: As I say, read my post again. If you still don't understand it, never mind.
Barry Hesketh
143 Posted 03/03/2022 at 18:56:30
According to the Telegraph:

Everton owner Farhad Moshiri severs business links with sanctioned billionaire Alisher Usmanov
By Tom Morgan, Sports News Correspondent ; Matt Law, Football News Correspondent and Mike McGrath 3 March 2022 • 5:37pm

Dale Self
144 Posted 03/03/2022 at 19:06:51
Yes good move Moshiri. Let's hope he can seal off any further concerns about the club's finances.

Stan 142, I did read that I simply don't understand how being desperate enough to need your citizens to fight against a force like Russia can be criticized like they're fielding players that weren't declared on a pre-game roster submitted to the game officials.

I just don't get the purpose of your criticism of what they did under the circumstances.

Michael Lynch
145 Posted 03/03/2022 at 19:08:16
The article does go on to speculate that clubs are circling Everton now to pick off our best "assets" (ie DCL and Richie) in the summer. Of course, this is complete speculation.

I wouldn't infer too much from Moshiri seemingly distancing himself from his pal. I doubt if he's has told Usmanov to do one, they're just trying to keep Moshiri/Everton out of the clutch of the sanctions. We'll have to wait and see how it all unwinds. It can't end well for us, that's for sure.

Barry Hesketh
146 Posted 03/03/2022 at 19:15:17
Michael @ 146
You love to speculate about what people are 'really' doing and that every option always leads to the destruction of Everton Football Club. My guess and it is a pure guess, is that it will be easier for Moshiri to sell to new owners without being hamstrung by sanctions which affect his business partner Usmanov.

There's also the possiblity that Moshiri will stay on board and that Usmanov had no involvement with Everton Football Club save to help Moshiri out with funds when the Iranian needed them. Moshiri may believe he is able to go solo with the project at this stage, and has put the club's interest first?

Who knows how things will pan out? I certainly don't.

Dave Abrahams
147 Posted 03/03/2022 at 19:16:06
Kieran (99), didn’t know that, let’s see what happens to the people of the city that has surrendered, the diplomatic talks ended today with the possibility that people could able to leave Ukraine with a ceasefire in place, if so that would be many lives saved, God knows what will happen to the people of Kiev if this war carries on as it is, or maybe we do.
Will Mabon
148 Posted 03/03/2022 at 19:25:03
Michael @ 146,

Agree with your summary.

As to the likelihood of the vultures circling as a result of the loss of 20 million p.a. - then either the story is baseless speculation or Mr. U's involvement must be believed in certain circles, to be much more than 20 big ones.

Eric Myles
149 Posted 05/03/2022 at 01:39:21
Alan J Thompson
150 Posted 13/03/2022 at 13:41:24
Eric(#149); Of course. Many thanks.

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