Everton signed Patterson from Glasgow Rangers in a deal that could ultimately be worth £16M. The 20-year-old signed a 5½-year contract so arguably has plenty of time to force his way into the first-team.
But Frank Lampard has largely remained faithful to Everton captain Seamus Coleman who continues to play every game in that right-back position despite being frequently and embarrassingly skinned by younger faster players.
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1 Posted 24/03/2022 at 20:36:27
2 Posted 24/03/2022 at 20:51:31
3 Posted 24/03/2022 at 20:51:59
4 Posted 24/03/2022 at 20:56:33
5 Posted 24/03/2022 at 21:00:04
"I really like when Scotland come down the right. Nathan Patterson has got the better of his opposite man, we just need to keep feeding him the ball. He's had two shots, a couple of crosses, and been very effective. His attacking skills are probably the best part of his game. In a game with wingbacks where you're trying to attack down the sides, he's very, very useful."
6 Posted 24/03/2022 at 21:31:18
I'm no footballing coach, but I would wager it is easier to teach defensive capability and discipline than it is to introduce flair to a player.
I'm happy to be contradicted if any ex-players or coaches disagree?
7 Posted 24/03/2022 at 21:53:31
Good for Wales! Wales Fuck Ie!
8 Posted 24/03/2022 at 22:01:21
I'm already dreading the Hammer's game.
9 Posted 24/03/2022 at 22:06:42
I wonder if we might see Patterson going out on loan at some point? He's very young after all.
10 Posted 24/03/2022 at 22:21:31
He is talented.
11 Posted 24/03/2022 at 22:56:11
Contrary to what some think, he is good defensively.
12 Posted 24/03/2022 at 23:00:33
But he has skill, and I know from Scottish workmates that he's been a winger and midfielder in his career to date with good skill and pace.
Tall for right-back, so why not hone his proven attributes to their best use for Everton?
It's crazy the club defaults to buying and loaning players when the club is at a critical position in its history and the duo of full-backs brought in, and the loan deal for the winger, don't get a sniff of playing.
The more you learn about Everton, and in my case, the less we know in terms of the club strategy.
There's none, in my view, and now it looks increasingly Everton will get whacked over Moise Kean's transfer, to add more scorn to the pressure pot.
There's clearly no paralegals or scouting due diligence overseeing any Everton business or transfer deals, based on the way the last last 7 years have gone.
Ross Barkley and Ross Jack, playing and coaching, will be back soon.
No joking but, as supporters, we are living on sweet fuck-all of genuine aspirations and hope from the Everton board.
Farhad, I hope is well and able, but he is under the microscope. I hope the absence at games in the very darkest hours in modern times will not mean the club is gonna be totally ran into oblivion, over night, in context.
There's not much come out in the last few weeks on the ground works for the new stadium at Bramley-Moore Dock so, as we all know, as Evertonians, make the best of every day.
Looking forward to West Ham, and there's a good chance of an upset, and an Everton win, against the old manager Moyes.
13 Posted 25/03/2022 at 08:27:56
Much as I love Seamus, Patterson, from what I have seen, is certainly far more capable of playing wingback, and certainly looks far better than Jonjoe Kenny.
We paid ~£15M for him, he looks very good, yet does not get selected. You wonder if there is some instruction from higher up going on?
After all, Rafa did buy him, and maybe that's the issue? Either way, he feels like he would be a breath of fresh air and we just need anything that's different for the West Ham game coming up.
14 Posted 25/03/2022 at 08:29:38
Him and Gordon on opposite flanks ahead of more defensive-minded full backs in Holgate and Godfrey. Midfield of Doucouré and Van de Beek and Calvert-Lewin up front with Richarlison just playing off him.
Holgate Keane Branthwaite Godfrey
Patterson Doucouré Van de Beek Gordon
Surely this team should be enough to see off the likes of Burnley, Newcastle, Leicester, Watford, Brentford, etc and maybe spring a surprise or two against the better teams.
Two other Scottish players I would like us to have next season would be:
Billy Gilmour – maybe with the present mayhem at Chelsea, Lampard can sneak this lad out the back door, and...
John McGinn – this guy won't come cheap, especially with that bastard Gerrard as manager of Aston Villa. But he is exactly the type of player we need in the middle of the park – a real battler, a leader and also a midfielder of no mean skill.
15 Posted 25/03/2022 at 08:37:30
That team generally has far greater solidarity to it, though no Holgate, please. For all his injury history, a fit Mina will make a huge difference at the back.
16 Posted 25/03/2022 at 09:06:54
I expect we'll be seeing a great deal more of Patterson next season, hopefully not in the Championship!!
Gilmour is a very tidy player but I think he is someone who will rely on good movement around him which is maybe why he has not shone in a poor Norwich team. He would not come cheap but, in our current state, I don't know if he's totally what we need, though I wouldn't say no to a loan.
17 Posted 25/03/2022 at 09:33:54
Agreed that he has also been a part of defences that have been tonked this season, but Lampard seems to trust him. And he is a better centre-back than Godfrey, IMO, whose best position at the moment seems to be at left-back.
Forget Mina, he ain't coming back this season – and maybe never in an Everton shirt. However good a player he may be (and frankly, I don't rate him as highly as some here do).
He is very disruptive to the team in the sense that he comes and plays a few games and gets injured, and then the manager is left struggling to find a centre-back combination that works well, and then this guy comes back partially fit, and the whole cycle starts again.
I would rather have a reliable player with half his ability but with the right commitment and attitude and who is consistently available most of the season.
18 Posted 25/03/2022 at 09:42:07
Out of the two I'd go all in for Gallagher. All action midfielder, tackles, fights, closes down, an attitude, can get forward and score.
Gilmour looks very good too but maybe brings a little bit less to the table.
I would think, in normal circumstances it's unlikely, but the Frank Lampard connection could open the door a fraction to it being realistic.
19 Posted 25/03/2022 at 09:42:38
20 Posted 25/03/2022 at 09:43:34
At what point is Holgate better than Coleman, for fuck's sake? Same old, same "Let's play players out of position"... Jesus!
Just play Patterson, Godfrey, Branthwaite, Mykolenko and let's just get on with it. All young athletes who will run through a brick wall.
Then midfield must be Gordon, Doucouré Van de Beek Onyango (or another hungry centre-midfielder from Under-23s).
Richarlison with Calvert-Lewin up-top. 4-3-3 when attacking, 4-5-1 defending – that team will save us from relegation. Frank, just play it.
21 Posted 25/03/2022 at 10:28:43
You say “Onyango (or another hungry centre-midfielder from Under-23s)” as if there's a queue of them.
I'm no expert on the U23s but I don't recall any of our regular posters who view the U23 side going overboard on our centre-mid players, certainly not to the extent of ousting Allan from the starting line-up.
The highly-rated Baningime is doing well at Hearts but couldn't force his way into the first team. Dowell, U20 World Cup winner, likewise... so I'd be interested to hear who is ready for our relegation scrap, in your opinion.
No sarcasm intended – I'm not au fait with the younger teams.
22 Posted 25/03/2022 at 10:52:31
Price, Onyango, Warrington (currently on loan at Tranmere). I like them all but settling into the first-team normally takes time unless we're talking about an exceptional talent such as Rooney (and we have nobody like that at the moment).
But we don't have time to see if a youngster can settle in (look how long it took Anthony Gordon). And a bad experience such as having several howlers in a side being thrashed could destroy a lad.
Fight with what we've got, in a settled formation, that has three battlers in midfield and Richarlison feeding off Calvert-Lewin.
23 Posted 25/03/2022 at 11:44:08
I totally agree about the defence, play Mykolenko and Patterson with Branthwaite and Godfrey in the middle. If they let a couple in, then what's new, but the team will have more pace and hunger.
As other's have stated, Lampard has tried everyone else in various positions, so why not play people in their proper positions?
I'm behind Frank but his formations and selections have surprised me. I hope he learns quickly because at present he has made as many blunders as our two centre-halves.
24 Posted 25/03/2022 at 11:45:29
The last time we did it was Lukaku, who took up a whole window's budget, and that worked out okay.
25 Posted 25/03/2022 at 11:54:51
Sigurdsson, Schneiderlin, Bolasie, Klaassen, Gomes etc. Spending big on players does not guarantee success, only recruiting the right players does.
I'd hazard a guess that the 3 you mention will generate significantly more in transfer fees due to their age and potential than them on my list.
26 Posted 25/03/2022 at 12:00:05
27 Posted 25/03/2022 at 12:10:09
28 Posted 25/03/2022 at 12:48:25
As Brent says (22), we need three battlers in midfield. I presume he meant centre-midfield. I don't think we have got three battling centre-midfielders, especially in the next two games with Allan missing.
I think Patterson is worth trying there along with another young fast player at centre-back, Branthwaite, who tried to stir his fellow defenders at Spurs.
I don't have to tell you, Ray, we are literally fighting for our place to stay in the Premier League. If we go down, it will be a long time before we play there again.
29 Posted 25/03/2022 at 13:07:22
30 Posted 25/03/2022 at 13:22:37
Either way, he can hardly keep picking the same players. Surely there will be chances for others as well as those who are determined to show they have got the bollocks.
Hopefully that means chances for Branthwaite, Patterson (seems to be ideal if he wants to keep playing with wingbacks), Rondon (if Calvert-Lewin can't get himself into games), Iwobi (who has shown bollocks in recent games), maybe even Delph!
Imagine that Delph rises from the treatment table to secure his place in Everton history. And Dele Alli needs to play, otherwise what was the point?
31 Posted 25/03/2022 at 13:41:27
32 Posted 25/03/2022 at 13:48:18
33 Posted 25/03/2022 at 14:50:51
I think too many make the assumption that playing well for the U23s automatically means they would step into the first team seamlessly. It's never been the case. An academy can only really hope to have ones or twos come through as established first team players. United aside, it's always been that way and even they have only really done it on occasion if we're talking en-masse.
Just like the central league before it, the current U23s is a totally different level. You will spot the Rooney types who are ready early on, but they are few and far between. Most need time to develop.
Like you, I don't see anyone in our U23s ready to step in right now on a regular basis. Certainly not dropped into a relegation fight. I love watching Lewis Warrington and hope he develops. I want to see him closer to the first team, but there is a difference between that and having him in the first team week in week out if that makes sense?
Not from you Brent, but whilst I get the sentiment of others, this whole "young and hungry" phrase is becoming as nauseous as the "happy clappers" phrase aimed at some fans for other reasons.
It's not about being young and hungry. It's about being good enough as well as having desire and commitment on top of ability, regardless of age.
34 Posted 25/03/2022 at 15:16:32
Specific to Patterson, we are in danger of judging a player we haven't even seen play for Everton yet.
35 Posted 25/03/2022 at 15:20:57
I think there is nothing to lose by binning some of the more 'experienced' pros who can't be bothered to do their jobs properly and letting some of the younger lads with desire/energy have a go. What is the worst that can happen? Yeah, we could get beat most games, ship goals, look a laughing stock and drop down the table? But then, we're doing that anyway with the more experienced players in situ.
At least Price, Onyango etc... might be able to not get caught in possession constantly and actually pass to another Everton player (unlike Doucoure), not be too slow to keep up (unlike Allan) and not be lazy/disinterested (unlike Gomes) for example. Who knows, Dobbin might also be able to actually receive the ball without falling over or losing it instantly most times (unlike Richarlison).
As for Patterson, we have got to give him a go. I know international football is not always the highest standard but if he can get a game for Scotland, he must be better than an ageing Coleman or a bang average Kenny. Our defence is so bad that he cannot possibly make it any worse.
Fortune favours the brave!
36 Posted 25/03/2022 at 15:24:31
37 Posted 25/03/2022 at 15:42:54
International football is different from regular team football as the coaching and tactics are set up different, plus the opposition change players often that are unknown.
The position Everton are in they have to play for points, win or draw and they need experience to do that. Coleman is the better defensive player, and needs some one ahead of him to carry the ball up higher on the pitch.
Patterson may turn out to be a really good signing as the modern type of fullback, but his defensive qualities may need improving as most comments are on his attacking abilities.
As other comments have said we don't have a young player with the abilities of a Rooney yet, otherwise they would have been selected before, so we have got to rely on the players that the manager thinks are capable of getting us clear.
Fighting against possible relegation is no time for experimenting unless the manager believes some of the younger players are capable of improving the team.
38 Posted 25/03/2022 at 15:47:17
39 Posted 25/03/2022 at 16:12:50
40 Posted 25/03/2022 at 16:20:26
41 Posted 25/03/2022 at 16:23:22
42 Posted 25/03/2022 at 17:15:58
43 Posted 25/03/2022 at 17:20:58
44 Posted 25/03/2022 at 18:08:12
We spent £30M on two full-backs deemed not ready. Full-backs should come from within the club if good coaching is in place.
We discarded a reject striker and winger then, a couple of years later, buy two of the best defenders in the club's history in Baines and Jagielka. The talent is there if the coaches are.
I'd also totally disagree that Coleman gets skinned by the opposition. Each to their own but Coleman at nil-nil v Newcastle made ground on Fraser made the block and jumped up to clear the ball. Only Godfrey could do that in our current set-up.
It's easy to kick a man whilst he is down, isn't it.
45 Posted 25/03/2022 at 18:10:20
What I would worry about is a young prospect would have his confidence destroyed. Now we all say Coleman is too slow yet this is the player who managed to run back and put in a tackle to save another goal from Palace.
If you believe we should play the younger players at this time, that is your opinion. But I believe there is a time and place to bring in younger players and the time is not now.
Take Gordon, for instance. Playing on the wing or midfield, he is proving that he has the skill and effort and dedication to be in this team. But he was in the team before we reached this critical stage of the season, and we will expect more goals and assists than this next season.
Like I say, and it may only be my opinion, young players need time when they are in a team to get used to the tactics and players around them to reach their full potential. I believe this is the wrong time to bring Patterson in unless it is in a less defensive position.
And another point. Those experienced players still managed to keep a clean sheet with 10 men against an in-form team.
46 Posted 25/03/2022 at 18:22:00
Continued interference from high at multiple level and then setting up the latest fall guys to protect the pig's trough when failure sets in. Never learning lessons and letting football people deal with football matters and giving them time to do it based on their own decisions.
I'm starting to sound negative but I'm not a negative person. I suppose reality has hit me. But come April 3rd, I'll watch Everton beat United at Goodison.
47 Posted 25/03/2022 at 18:33:02
I just wish hed do an update as it was written over 11 years ago now (wow!) and the parasite is still sucking the life out of us. As the piece shows, the damage was done well before Moshiri pitched up to fund the train set, a point missed by many of the forums and in the stands. And the deeper his tendrils get into the life and soul of this great club the further we are from being saved. Horrible narcissistic old bastard.
48 Posted 25/03/2022 at 18:47:01
I'm sure I remember him arguing with Martin M on these pages one day, and getting exasperated. But when it came to Bill our saviour, Colin was telling everyone how bad he was for Everton years ago.
49 Posted 25/03/2022 at 19:43:02
"I'd challenge that, Steavey. Not good enough or not ready just yet? Investment in the future versus immediately ready, I thought we like investing in youth."
Everton's transfer needs at the last transfer window were to keep Everton in the Premier League, not to plan for next season in the Championship. Because the last transfer window is not helping Everton at the moment staying in the Premier League.
50 Posted 25/03/2022 at 19:48:29
Colin Harvey became a special player for Everton but he wasn't when he made his debut for Everton, aged 18, in the San Siro Stadium against Inter Milan in the European Cup.
Colin had a hard time proving himself a regular with the Blues, he took a lot of stick off plenty of fans.
Alan Whittle came into the Championship winning team and couldn't stop scoring goals in the last third of that season at a very young age. Who knew how well they would perform until they were given the chance?
None of us know how good, bad or indifferent Nathan Patterson is, none of us, because he hasn't been given the chance; 60 minutes in an U23s game and 45 minutes against a non-league team proved nothing either way.
The stakes are high if he gets a chance: our staying in the Premier League. He could be another Colin Harvey or Alan Whittle.
On the other hand, he could be one of Moyes's signing Pistone who was given a sheep's heart as a Christmas present from his team mates at Newcastle Utd. There's two or three present Everton players who could have received one of those... I doubt if Patterson will turn out to be one of them.
51 Posted 25/03/2022 at 19:59:38
Every youth player promoted to the first team is a risk and a gamble.
It's a bit like the manager taking the credit when his substitutions come off. When they do, it was planned and genius. When they don't, he was flawed.
You can't predict, Steavey. Well, I can't anyway. For every time we get to say "told you so", whether that be positive or negative, I guarantee there will be 10 or more when we got it wrong in our predictions about players.
52 Posted 25/03/2022 at 20:07:02
53 Posted 25/03/2022 at 20:30:41
I'm a convert. There is a rot / rat in the club that needs cleansing out.
Everton will always have my unreserved and birthright support. Those charged with running them on my and our behalf will not get that privilege.
Unless I manage to get a ticket for West Ham, I'll see some of you for a drink in East London. Failing that, Manchester United home. Don't let me down, Everton.
54 Posted 25/03/2022 at 20:34:43
So rather than “upset the confidence” of a youngster, you'd rather stick with the utter failures getting battered every week and heading us towards the Championship instead?
It's the kind of ‘progressive' attitude that leads to such weak-willed players later on… no backbone whatsoever because they were wrapped in cotton wool.
55 Posted 25/03/2022 at 20:50:43
What galls me, you say Benitez had nothing to do with bringing the two players in and Benitez being sacked... I totally disagree.
And who started the whole ball rolling, getting rid of Digne? Benitez.
56 Posted 25/03/2022 at 21:20:04
Hindsight, …(whatever happened to him?) before its happened …
57 Posted 25/03/2022 at 21:31:57
58 Posted 25/03/2022 at 21:33:07
Several of them can't all be wrong. Especially when theybare all different in approach. Something else is fundamentally wrong.
On Benitez, he fits into the Allardyce category of managers that I wish had never been associated with Everton.
But in his defence, like many before him, once in the seat, he realised he was running against the wind of those who allegedly run the club.
Until we have real change, the Everton DoF, Manager or coach positions are poison chalices.
Let's hope Lampard can change the mentality. But it takes more than a first team coach to do that. Change is required top to bottom.
Hopefully it's not too late. Change the culture. Change the mentality.
59 Posted 25/03/2022 at 21:34:56
So he will suffer the same abuse as the rest, as you said about C olin Harvey, plus the team Harvey played in at that time, were not as poor as today's.
Gary (#54), 1 man will not make a difference, so what use is it putting Patterson in at full-back in a team that, as you eloquently put it, are utter failures who get battered every week and are driving us towards the Championship?
And I also mentioned he could be brought in in a less defensive position, I never said he should not play.
60 Posted 25/03/2022 at 22:05:54
Some fans will always criticise, but the majority of Everton fans can recognise when a player is putting the effort in and will back them full-time and vice versa, let the shirkers know how they feel about them.
Nathan might not turn out to be the player we want him to be; having seen him fight for Scotland, I doubt very much it will be for lack of bottle and effort.
61 Posted 25/03/2022 at 22:07:57
62 Posted 25/03/2022 at 22:17:55
63 Posted 25/03/2022 at 22:32:42
Maybe the sum of all that is 20% improvement, and maybe that is enough to get us the 10-12 points we need to stay up. Sticking our fingers in our ears and hoping Coleman suddenly feels 28 again, and Holgate suddenly becomes Stones just leaves 0%… and that's certain relegation.
64 Posted 25/03/2022 at 22:54:15
65 Posted 25/03/2022 at 22:56:51
66 Posted 25/03/2022 at 23:01:44
67 Posted 25/03/2022 at 23:26:35
68 Posted 25/03/2022 at 23:35:46
69 Posted 25/03/2022 at 23:57:10
You can't have an apathetic board and win lots of trophies. Similarly, if you have an ambitious board, you're likely to see results, whatever division. As ambition is fulfilled and divisions are climbed or trophies are won, the only limiting factor is ability, which is determined largely by access to capital.
At Everton, we have a terrible board who think they are great; however, they completely lack, in abundance, any direction or professionalism becasue they are not fit for the job – one is an actor who has a theatre company, and the CEO is basically a public sector education and charity stalwart which is fine but they aren't real C-suite people. We therefore lack completely, either professionally or academically:
1. Strategy – what is Everton in the Premier League and where should it be? How do we play? Does this attract fans? How do we capitalise on this? Does it make money? Why do we hire players? Are they saleable assets? Do they have intangible value (like Rodriguez, who we threw away)?
2. Finance – neither the chairman nor the CEO have much financial competence. They aren't accountants nor are they bankers or asset managers. This has been demonstrated on many occasions (see Blue Union meeting with Bill for reference). The club completely lacks a Profit & Loss balance for a supposed wannabe Top 6 side. Or one that wants to compete in Europe. You can compete with less money, but you have to be clever. We aren't and I see no sign of this changing. How much debt will we have after building the new stadium at Bramley-Moore Dock, if it's ever completed? Will we have points deducted for FFP breaches? Don't expect the club to be forthcoming on this.
3. Marketing – similarly, the club has failed on almost every opportunity it's been given to increase revenues via, eg, kit sales, sponsorship deals etc but we are absolutely woeful – again ref similar clubs around us and Spurs for the closest example (Spurs!!! Jeez!). So we fail again. Although we do make nice videos but that won't keep us solvent.
4. Playing – What is Everton's style and philosophy? Who determines this? Who buys the players? Who says so? Why? For a relatively poor club, why are we so incompetent when others can use technology (eg, Brentford) and easily surpass us?
5. Governance – literally the worst club in the entire football pyramid. Why is it so bad? Why do we keep fans in the dark? But it's been like that for years. My old man used to say we fiddled the gates in the '80s… I don't know why he said it but he always did, every match. 85 v QPR, I was stood on my seat in the Top Balcony ‘cos they let everyone in but there was only 50k on the official gate. Utter bollocks. So this has kind of kind carried on, possibly. I used to go to Mordor with my Mum's side who were mates with Ian Callaghan – hated it but never heard this sort of shite. They turned up, expected to win, won and then fucked off. Was very boring IMO, borderline arrogant. But they still do it. And the players do it to.
6. Results (all of the above added up) – pathetic. Have been for years. Comes from the top down. Same as any business. You employ poor people to run a company and it will fail, eventually. It's capitalism. I understand capitalism and I've spent over 20 years in it and studying it, in global banks and hedge funds, in New York and London. I know how it works, intimately. It's really quite simple, especially when you're in a privileged position. I wasn't but I fought my way in, and got in through sheer determination – not nepotism but I still worked with the old school tie bunch. They're not stupid but they get a leg up. Everton had a leg up but they've got lazy under Kenwright because he's a buffoon and a bluffer and if our club was a publically listed entity there would be a shareholder revolt.
And all that said, I'd happily help this club, my club, for nothing. But that will never happen because they're too arrogant to admit their mistakes. This club will be relegated and those that couldn't see it years ago, the ones that happy clapped as we fell further down the pecking order under his lies and deceit, as the media laughed at us in their droves and we fell off the back pages, the usual mindless ignorant twats, some of whom still occupy these great fan pages, will reap what they sow. So so sad. And so so preventable.
70 Posted 26/03/2022 at 01:08:19
The disastrous decision to sell Digne in January was all Benitez, however the decision to replace him with Mykolenko? Well, no-one seems to be owing that piece of genius.
Regardless of blame, we made the following decisions while deep in the relegation mire:
1) We signed Patterson in January who won't figure this season
2) We are left with an ageing Coleman whose legs are going.
3) We signed Mykolenko who shouldn't figure this season.
4) We sold French international Digne to our nearest rivals.
5) We are now left with shifting Godfrey to left-back which means Keane plays, or watching Jonjoe Kenny try to pass down the left touchline with the outside of his right foot.
Finally, there seems to be a sub-text on threads to claim that Benitez is unfairly blamed and hard done by. He was a fucking disaster, a power-hungry, incompetent, egotistical tool who managed to persuade Moshiri that his coaching acumen wasn't in fact out of the land that time forgot. The reason he was in China was because that was the level of his complete inability.
Only a club as dysfunctional as Everton could have given so much power to someone who was so terrible at his job and delivered such disastrous results.
71 Posted 26/03/2022 at 05:50:37
What a great read.. sad but painfully true...
At 61, I was fortunate to have witnessed the '80s. I worked with an older guy in the late 80s who told me how he remembers the days when the RS were a nothing club on the same level as Tranmere Rovers. So in my lifetime, I will have witnessed the reverse if we go down...
The fans should have revolted against Billy Liar a long time ago... so you're right what you sow you reap.
The perfect shit storm has hit this season.. Rafa appointment... injuries, corrupt VAR and refs shite, no bollocks players..
And I'm a glass half full guy..
Even if we stay up the same shite will prevail... it's no wonder Carlo jumped ship...
72 Posted 26/03/2022 at 07:21:45
Meantime, Digne hasn't exactly burned the house down at Villa, where he's now out with a long-term injury. Here's a press review of his performance in a 3-0 win at Leeds:
Having missed the Southampton game, left-back Lucas Digne was put straight back in by Gerrard but couldnt deliver the same sort of strong performance as some of his teammates did. In 90 minutes, the Frenchman had 77 touches of the ball but only completed 35 passes, misplacing six crosses and one long ball, losing possession of the ball on 18 occasions in total. He also failed to complete any of the three dribbles he attempted. From a defensive point of view, the former Everton figure made no tackles throughout the game and lost 82% of the duels he was involved in.
In 90 minutes, the Frenchman had 77 touches of the ball but only completed 35 passes, misplacing six crosses and one long ball, losing possession of the ball on 18 occasions in total.
He also failed to complete any of the three dribbles he attempted.
From a defensive point of view, the former Everton figure made no tackles throughout the game and lost 82% of the duels he was involved in.
An out-of-position Godfrey was an immediate improvement on the departed Digne. It was Godfrey's injury that hurt us, not the Digne deal.
73 Posted 26/03/2022 at 07:46:57
Lets face it, Holgate, Keane, JJK and Coleman have no Everton futures. Lets play the young lads we brought in so at least they get match practice for next season, be that in the PL or championship!!
74 Posted 26/03/2022 at 07:47:30
His assists had dried-up and he was taken off free-kick duty.
He was of enough value to help balance our books and offset the purchase of two young lads, both of whom, will prove to be good investments.
75 Posted 26/03/2022 at 08:18:37
For ONCE Everton made money from a player they'd had good service from for a number of years and sold on at the right time. We should always be looking towards that model. The use of that money is much more open to debate in my subjective opinion. Who the hell sanctioned that splurge on Patterson and Mykolenko? I still hold high hopes for both but if neither are ready and they were Rafa's signing that really says all you need to know about the running of the club.
I am with others who think that we should next season play a back four of Patterson, Godfrey, Brainthwaite and Mykolenko and coach the crap out of them. They are all high potential players and this has to be our model from now on due to FFP. Both the young full backs are full internationals FFS, yes playing them might be a little risky right at this moment but next season they need to get the experience.
76 Posted 26/03/2022 at 08:24:12
Personally, I think we'd be comfortably in mid-table with Benitez but for the bizarre Sigurdsson situation and the long-term injury to Calvert-Lewin.
77 Posted 26/03/2022 at 08:44:36
78 Posted 26/03/2022 at 08:54:42
Spot on regarding Digne.
When we look at Foden at City it took about 3 years to integrate him, DCL took about 3 years, Seamus went on loan and came back and was on the bench for a while, Jags was in and out the team and changed positions.
And we know the team wearing red take time integrating players like Curtis Jones plus the one's they've bought in the last few years, and we all want young players to come in like Gordon.
If this is the right strategy, then we need to naturally give Patterson and Mykelenko 2-3 seasons to bed in. Although, they might not take 3 seasons to bed in as they look like they have the physical attributes already.
Plus I've noticed Godfrey is very good a left back because he can't lose his man like at centre back when a cross comes in for a header (compared to Mina who is well trained on dealing with crosses), and is better at tracking a man with the ball on the ground.
One of the main problems is not following Carlos low block formula against fast attacking teams, with a number six so there's no gap between the goalie/centre backs/number six. A world class manager showed us how to get clean sheets and we've totally torn up the tactics book when we need it the most.
I think bringing these players with great futures is not the problem at all, and we need to do more of this.
79 Posted 26/03/2022 at 08:55:44
We are crap already. How much more crap can we get?
80 Posted 26/03/2022 at 09:04:11
Not quite foaming at the mouth, but I was not happy with it.
But, and I know this won't sit well with some, I don't put the blame on him or previous managers. The problems at Everton are deep rooted and sit at a much higher level than the dugout. Keep blaming and sacking manager after manager and we will get nowhere. The manager position at Everton has become a safety blanket and sacrificial lamb for those who are responsible for the current situation/
81 Posted 26/03/2022 at 09:12:50
Your last paragraph is spot on 👍
82 Posted 26/03/2022 at 09:21:53
Only a very few managers really move the dial for more than a season or two. Most league finishes more or less match the level of investment into the squad.
Managers like Potter, Lage etc are good - but a really taking the credit for a well run club.
Put them in charge of a badly run club like Everton and we might find they're not so hot after all.
83 Posted 26/03/2022 at 09:43:11
84 Posted 26/03/2022 at 10:01:10
Over the years, we Evertonians have had our will beaten down by an owner, now chairman, striving for utter control. We fans have been hapless and unable to influence the higher echelons of the club, but we can control the manager position, to an extent.
Some crave a manager strong willed enough or influential enough to exhibit the maximum control possible over the people we cannot influence at all. When they fail to do so, the pitchforks come out (imo most likely an element of subconscious projection). Imo
99% of Evertonians know the real problem at this club. Its the only premier league club being run like a corner shop, littered with amateurs at the top levels.
As our frustrations grow with the owner and board, we turn on the managers, as in reality there is no influential way we can turn our frustrations on the real culprits.
Im personally counting down the days until Kenwright is too old, or not physically fit enough to hold his position. Hopefully the damage will not be irreparable. Sounds harsh, but Ive long since realised my contempt, frustrations and will mean nothing and can influence nothing. We have absolutely no hope of achieving anything of note until hes unable to carry on.
Once gone, Id imagine well see a gradual change within the club, as his enablers leave the confines of comfort he affords them. Then and only then, will we see the real possibilities for the changes we all desire
85 Posted 26/03/2022 at 10:24:22
I know this may sound ridiculous to many, but the Chelsea and Manchester City of our day. The Mersey Milloinaires, backed by Sir John Moores who took no prisoners in his will for success (before my time by the way).
Small things, but the first club to have undersoil pitch heating. Despite the monstrosity I see it as now, the first club to have a 3 tiered stand (Top Balcony).
Then come the late 80s / early 90, we started jogging on the spot. Which is effectively walking backwards as those around you walk forwards. We rested on our laurels. We were always going going to be Everton and that was enough. NO!
All is not lost. Get over the line this season but then restructure this great club of ours.
See you at United home and, if I'm fortunate enough to get a ticket (yes fortunate and privileged), West Ham away. Either way, I'll meet a few of you there to be part of the atmosphere and day out.
It breaks my heart to consider where we are right now, but I am the eternal optimist.
86 Posted 26/03/2022 at 11:43:58
87 Posted 26/03/2022 at 13:37:01
Until we can get top, top wingers at the club, as it was when you played at Chelsea (eg, Robben), your team formation is dire.
Regarding Patterson, he'd walk into the Celtic team, no problem. He ain't a winger or a midfielder.
Get it fucking right, Frank, because, no doubt about it, you're in the last chance saloon.
88 Posted 26/03/2022 at 15:04:32
Why he can't get into the Everton first team? Is it because they are playing so well, they don't need someone with pace who is more than capable of supplying decent crosses? Thought not!
89 Posted 26/03/2022 at 16:36:02
My guess is that Lampard is trying to go for experience and whilst Seamus has been dire, he is literally our only player at the back that can somewhat resemble a leader.
90 Posted 26/03/2022 at 16:49:24
Couldnt see Mina. Hes hardly away with Colombia?
91 Posted 26/03/2022 at 17:23:48
No disputing when he is on the pitch, he is a valuable addition, but those when's are once every Blue Moon !
92 Posted 26/03/2022 at 17:33:12
93 Posted 26/03/2022 at 17:44:14
"BBC Sport has learned that a significant number of drivers had concerns about the safety of the event following the attack. But eventually they were convinced to go ahead and race after being given further information by bosses. Part of this information involved the possible consequences of not racing, such as how easily teams and drivers would be able to leave the country if the race did not happen.
Part of this information involved the possible consequences of not racing, such as how easily teams and drivers would be able to leave the country if the race did not happen."
Nothing like a classic old fashioned, thinly-veiled threat to get the job done. PC? Not in this town, Pal.
94 Posted 26/03/2022 at 17:49:29
Minik #86, that was actually Gbamin's 6th consecutive full game for CSKA, and they've won all 6 to turn their season around.
95 Posted 26/03/2022 at 19:22:49
What a season this has become but the writing was on the wall a few years ago when we started having to offload a whole host of expensive players on loans whilst paying half their wages.
Michael Keane belongs on the list of confidence players and I don't think he has been the same since he lost his England place.
Derek has pointed it out but we really need the experience of Delph for the remainder of the season. Can he put together a run of games when we need him the most?
Gbamin... what might have been! Ditto Sandro, Bolasie and many many more. Time to buy young and let Frank have a go (that's if we stay up of course... and he isn't sacked in the meantime).
97 Posted 26/03/2022 at 21:45:14
A few posters have questioned Patterson's acquisition. We have to remember that at Rangers he was a young lad competing with Tavenier, not only the Club captain but a player who, week-in & week-out, was MotM and a prolific scorer.
Rangers tried to play Patterson whenever they could, usually out of position. Regardless, this lad has bags of potential and, if given a decent run, will produce the goods.
Of course he will make mistakes and he has a lot to learn but look at the regular players we have had so far this season, could he be any worse?
I understand playing Coleman as he's the only one showing any commitment, even though he's been found out a few times. Kenny is a local lad who will always give 100% and will never let us down, played in his right position.
Unless Patterson is really shite during the week at Finch Farm, Lampard really has to give this lad a chance. He's played 45 minutes for the first team and was as good as anyone in that period.
He really is as good defensively and, in a 3-5-2 which Lampard looks at, would be perfect as an attacking wingback going forward and slotting in when defending as a 5.
If Lampard doesn't rate him, then get rid next season but, if he doesn't give him a couple of games, we'll never know.
98 Posted 26/03/2022 at 22:22:40
Personally I think the best thing to do right now is to play a very deep line of Coleman or Holgate, Keane, Branthwaite and Godfrey.
Hopefully Patterson and Mykolenko will come good next season alongside a central defensive pairing that doesn't include Keane or Holgate.
99 Posted 26/03/2022 at 00:07:12
Blooding young players, especially defenders, into a struggling team, puts them on a hiding to nothing. Both Patterson and Mykolenko are 20 and 22 respectively. One has come from a lesser league, but then look where our current established right-back came from and he didn't gel instantly. The left-back is in a foreign country, doesn't speak the language and his nation is in the midst of a savage war and invasion. Context.
Alongside Godfrey (24) and Branthwaite (19), that is a very young defence, but hopefully one brimming with future potential.
What I feel we are missing is the experienced centre back to bring them on. No Jagielka, no Alan Stubbs, no Davie Weir, no Dave Watson. Our experience lies with the 29-year-old Michael Keane and he is no leader. With Allan out at present, we don't have a captain. And sorry to be harsh on Coleman, but he's not a captain for me.
Let's give these boys time. I'm no Mystic Meg, but the future could be bright.
100 Posted 27/03/2022 at 05:34:13
If that twat Keane is anywhere near the pitch, we'll be relegated. He is the worst centre-half in the Premier League and would be lucky to get a game in the Championship.
Every other Everton player gets rumoured for a move but that useless lump, he's the Kenwright of the playing staff, we can't get rid of the useless fucker.
I agree about bringing Branthwaite in and ideally I'd want him partnered with Godfrey, with Holgate backing them up, but Godfrey hasn't exactly filled anyone with confidence playing in the middle of the back 4... waiting for Mina to get back soon!
We've got to play with speed and confidence as, with speed, you can correct a mistake, a misplaced pass; we are to slow to do that now. Go with the kids!! This back line is embarrassing and picking the same isn't an option anymore – they're bottlers.
We've got to play the new boys at full-backs, we should have done it 4 to 6 weeks ago to get them blooded in so that they would have been settled in already, as doing the same old same old has got us where we are.
101 Posted 27/03/2022 at 08:13:37
102 Posted 27/03/2022 at 09:47:02
If and where h3 gets played at Everton remains to be seen.
Jags on his return was initially a midfielder but Moyes adapted him to CB, and whilst no great Captain on the pitch as a leader, he formed som good CB partnerships, in eras when the squads had more guts and belief.
I hope that Patterson gets a chance but over to Frank and his team to decide, if, how, where and when..
The games, are running down, but theres enough games to beat the likes of Burnley, Watford away, United, Brentford and Leicester at home.
Even stick one on Moyes next week.
But, in context of hearts and minds, this squad dont show they have dont show consistently, and very rarely for a full match.
103 Posted 27/03/2022 at 09:59:21
He was a centre back who we believed could play holding midfield. I wouldn't say that Moyes converted him, but yes, we signed him on the basis he could do both. I would say Moyes tried him once (maybe twice) and realised that he could do that in the second tier for Sheffield United, but no way for Everton in the top tier. He wasn't that good a footballer.
I remember Moyes trying Stubbs in that role at the FA Cup match at Goodison against Norwich years ago. It lasted about 5 minutes!!
It's why I raise an eyebrow when people talk of trying Mason Holgate or Godfrey in a similar role.
It smacks of trying to find a position for a player rather than playing players in their natural position.
Full backs are different as you can play them as a classic full back or a wing back. Some even as centre back; Tony Hibbert, had he been a few inches taller, would have been a better centre back than he was a right back. He actually would have been a very good traditional sweeper in my opinion. Kevin Ratcliffe started life as a left back before converting to centre back.
Very rarely do you get a player who ends up being truly versatile. I would say Alan Harper and Phil Neville fall into that category. Most other players, you're just trying to make them fit an unnatural position.
104 Posted 27/03/2022 at 11:07:59
Alan Harper, Kevin Richardson, Phil Neville, were the most versatile players Evertons had in the last 40 years.
105 Posted 27/03/2022 at 11:14:41
I think the only true versatile player I have ever seen was John Charles who was world class as a centre-forward and a centre-half.
106 Posted 28/03/2022 at 12:27:07
If we try playing different people, like Patterson, Branthwaite, Price, Onyango etc... they will either do as badly as the usual suspects have done all season or they might do better and save us from relegation. Either way, there is no risk attached.
Let's be honest - if we keep playing the same experienced players who have been terrible all season, they are not going to suddenly improve overnight and start winning games. Coleman, for example, is done – he has been shocking all year so far in general and will not suddenly start playing better because we all keep our fingers crossed for him.
It's madness not to change things up and try something else. We all say the young players need to experience real football and playing in proper games – how do they do that if you never actually play them?
107 Posted 28/03/2022 at 14:43:20
Glad to see its been his 6th game, and had one goal to his name along the way!
David #95 Nogood Everton close enough.. but it was against Novgorod, no-go rot?
108 Posted 30/03/2022 at 12:47:07
Personally though, I'd go with a back 4 similar to Carlo's emergency one last year, telling them to defend first and foremost and adding height across the team for set-pieces at both ends.
Thinking now a 4-5-1 for me against the ginger one:
Holgate Keane Branthwaite Godfrey
Gordon Van de Beek Delph Iwobi Richarlison
Let Iwobi and Van de Beek take turns getting forward to join Richarlison, Gordon and Calvert-Lewin in a 4-2-3-1 attack and get Delph to sit and be “the mouth” without Coleman and Kenny in the team.
109 Posted 31/03/2022 at 15:38:43
110 Posted 01/04/2022 at 00:22:15
111 Posted 01/04/2022 at 01:57:55
Mention of Leeds (where Charles excelled) forces me to remember Paul Madeley, a fabulous player in any position at all, perhaps to his cost in the very successful team Leeds were in his prime.
No idea what he was like in goal but in every other position he was accomplished and then some.
I don't know of any other such a versatile player, but I hope others among us can come up with names please.
112 Posted 01/04/2022 at 09:06:47
Everton don't seem to draw many games but I'd take a point right now.
113 Posted 04/04/2022 at 11:02:46
He needs games to develop this and the mentality. I would have involved him more in the first team as Seamus and JJK have struggled at times and JJKs general crossing (which us one of his strengths) has been poor.
He could be our secret weapon against Burnley.
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