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Kean hints at Everton departure with cryptic Instagram post

| Wednesday, 11 August 2021 77comments  |  Jump to last
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Observers of Moise Kean's social media feeds were wondering if the striker's time at Everton could be over based on a tease he posted to Instagram tonight.

The Italian has removed all photographs pertaining to his two years with the Blues and posted an image to his Story saying "Back Soon" with a "fingers crossed" emoji.

It is unclear if Kean was merely suggesting a refresh of his Instagram account and that he would be back on the social media platform soon, posting a nod about Saturday's match against Southampton, or whether he will be returning to either Paris Saint-Germain, Juventus or, simply Italy. Kean was signed from Juve for £25m in 2019 but spent last season on loan at PSG and was hoping to secure a permanent move there this summer.

The deposed Ligue 1 champions have reportedly only offered to take him on loan again, however, something to which Everton won't agree, and with Lionel Messi officially announced as a new PSG player today, it makes Kean's return to Paris all the more unlikely.



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Brian Williams
1 Posted 10/08/2021 at 23:13:01
21 year old posts shite on social media.
🤔
Steve Shave
2 Posted 10/08/2021 at 23:22:24
If he is leaving it had better be through a sale, I will be pissed if it is another loan and it would illuminate further our inept board. He is our most expendable, saleable asset and his permanent departure could allow us to make 3 signings. Rondon is an able back up striker on a free (as long as we keep Richy) and money can be spent on the RB and winger we need.
Nick Page
3 Posted 10/08/2021 at 23:27:43
Another Brands masterclass. Seriously, what the fuck does he do? Who signed Iwobi on a £30m odd fee with a five year contract? The whole place absolutely reeks of desperation. How truly sad it all is.
James Flynn
4 Posted 11/08/2021 at 00:34:37
First, what Mike (4) said.

That aside, we're well into August. If any club was in for Kean seriously, we'd have read of it. As it stands, there's not even enough smoke to ignite kindling.

He's a young, athletic talent contracted to Everton Football Club. He's wants gone next Summer, young Moise is in the perfect position to ignite some fires. The 2020-2021 season playing for Everton.

Derek Knox
5 Posted 11/08/2021 at 02:47:52
Brian W @ 1, why I NEVER bother with any of those Social Media platforms, basically gossip factories which does, and has caused a lot of trouble, with certain people, incredible that so many people even give them what they want, an audience or a victim. I think the old saying was " never do your dirty washing in public ".
Ernie Baywood
6 Posted 11/08/2021 at 04:17:00
I called it on here within a month of his signing. In fact it was the Sheffield United 2-0 home defeat. He was never going to be an Everton player.

He spent the game offside, rolling around, or simply not presenting any kind of option. One of the laziest, uninterested, untalented, uneducated performances I've ever seen. Maturity, acclimatisation or development doesn't overcome those kind of gaping deficiencies.

Obviously I'm not too disappointed if he goes. Just get some money in and be done with him.

Lyndon Lloyd
7 Posted 11/08/2021 at 06:40:43
Nick (3), if Brands can sell Kean for a profit then he's done his job. That's the benefit of signing younger players with potential, even if he overpaid at £25m, in my opinion.

We've already got a loan fee for last season from PSG and if he goes for £30m+ before the deadline this month, the transfer will still have been a success even if he was ill-suited to our club and produced very little for us.

And if I had to bet who pushed for Iwobi, my money would be on Moshiri.

Barry Robson
8 Posted 11/08/2021 at 07:20:05
Rumours suggest Everton in advanced talks with Inter with regard to the sale of Kean.
Hope it's true and we spend the money well.
God knows we need more quality.
Sam Hoare
9 Posted 11/08/2021 at 07:23:52
Social media acts like this play into the hands of those who want to label Kean as having the ‘wrong attitude’ or similar. It could be nothing but it doesn’t help him.

Can’t see PSG or Juventus buying him now; best option may be that Inter Milan give us £30m of the Lukaku/Hakimi money and we get Rondon who is better suited temperamentally to the role of backup striker.

Peter Hopkins
10 Posted 11/08/2021 at 07:25:42
If it is inter,they have sold two players for a total of over £160 million let’s make sure we get as much out of them as possible
Gary Smith
11 Posted 11/08/2021 at 07:34:32
Don’t know what’s more depressing; the message it sends to other top young euro talent looking for stepping stone, or the fact there’s people on here who think Rondon is an upgrade. Ffs!

Appreciating all squads need balance, but Rondon’s like going back to the days of Ginola and Gazza (but with half the talent and less legs). Absolutely ridiculous. Why not go the whole hog and call for Wimbledon style long ball, throwing big Yerry up top as a 3rd false 9?

We need to be the team that gives youth a chance. The Borrusia Dortmund of the premier league. If it’s not Kean, then it needs to be a Dobbin, a Simms, or a young lad from the lower league who’ll smile every day in training, graft their bollocks off, and be grateful for the platform we give them.

Anything else is half arsed.

Sam Hoare
12 Posted 11/08/2021 at 07:51:47
Gary@11 Gascoigne was 33 when he signed and had never looked after himself. Rondon is 31 and Benitez likes him because he is a good professional, which is exactly what you need for someone who’s definitely going to be a back up. In his last season in the PL he scored 13 goals in 33 games for a woeful Newcastle, he is strong and has decent pace and is a reasonable replacement for DCL’s style at a very low price. Maybe not glamorous but a very sensible and low risk move I’d say with any money needed to be spent on a first choice RB and RW rather than a backup.

I’d love to see the likes of Simms, Dobbin and Broadhead given time but I’m not sure Benitez thinks they are quite up to the standard yet.

Gary Smith
13 Posted 11/08/2021 at 08:01:38
Sam@12 - Gazza “looked after himself”, you lost ALL credibility. Come on lad, give your head a wobble and have a coffee before posting.

The problem with Rondon is 1) the message it sends once again (we’ve given up and back to ‘plucky little Everton) and 2) it gives the FSW that ongoing (and poor) excuse you use “the kids aren’t ready”…….may be true, but only one way to get ready, and that’s to be given games.

All of which stops any promising youth ever wanting to come here.

Rondon vs Dobbin is 10th vs 12th in league now, and 14th vs 6th in two years.

Pat Kelly
14 Posted 11/08/2021 at 08:19:28
Know nothing about Instagram apart from my 3.3m followers. But the fingers crossed emoji he's used is the giveaway here. He's hoping to be back to Paris soon. Until then he's paid to play for us. Time for him to show some professionalism.
Robert Tressell
15 Posted 11/08/2021 at 08:19:47
We've provided a terrible home for Kean. Expect he will have a very decent career after leaving us, which he surely will. With some players it's just not to be.

During the course of a long season, I expect there's room for Rondon and a bit part youngster. Rondon is a decent pro.

Simms is probably better placed developing at Blackpool in the Championship if he gets over injury in time. Dobbin is also getting over injury so would be well placed for the u23s. If he does well then he can provide an option from the bench now and again.

Broadhead is ok, but I wouldn't expect him in the first team much. Ten minutes here and there to harass and maybe pinch a goal.

So totally agree with the sentiment Gary but don't think we've quite got the raw materials yet to do a Dortmund.

Ray Roche
16 Posted 11/08/2021 at 08:31:08
Gary@13

Mate, give YOUR head a wobble! Sam clearly says that Gazza had “never looked after himself”!
It’s ok Gary, we all make a dick of ourselves from time to time.😁

Shane Corcoran
17 Posted 11/08/2021 at 08:42:09
As Sam says, talk about making a rod for your own back. Just keep your mouth shut, so to speak.

Where’s all this Rondon talk coming from? It does reek of the Moyes era but that’s where you end up when to recruit like we have and have no gate receipts for a year.

If he’s free, get him in. Richarlison will have to rest that pout at some stage.

Dave Williams
18 Posted 11/08/2021 at 09:48:15
Rondos is a decent shout for free. Whoever we get in up front is not going to replace DCL or Richi so spend the money on more pressing areas and with any luck Simms will be ready for the first team next season.
Andrew Ellams
19 Posted 11/08/2021 at 10:30:02
Gary @ 13 I think you need to read Sam's post again, maybe after you've had a coffee and given your head a wobble
John Pickles
20 Posted 11/08/2021 at 10:30:31
'Mon Dieu, last season we had this superb up and coming youngster on loan, but instead of coming to a deal with a club that is desperate to sell, we bring in some 34 year old on a free transfer and pay him a fortune!'

I wonder if this is on the PSG fan site.

Mal van Schaick
21 Posted 11/08/2021 at 10:45:06
Agree with some comments. Sale not loan. Forty million would be outstanding and may be get us a couple of decent midfielders. Then offload Delph and a few more.
Clive Rogers
22 Posted 11/08/2021 at 10:46:18
He has to go. He just doesn’t want to be here and will never be settled.
Tony Everan
23 Posted 11/08/2021 at 10:50:05
Rondon if he is signed is absolutely purely a back up. This fact first has to be taken into account. He’s a back up.

We won’t have to alter our playing style to fit him in when necessary. He is physical, gets on the end of crosses, get goals and makes a nuisance of himself in the 18 yard box. A back up that keeps us strong in times of injuries or a tight game schedule.

He would cost nothing and allows whatever transfer money we have to be spent strengthening elsewhere and we all want that to happen, especially if we can sign first team additions in the similar in quality to that of linked players like Koulibaily, Zakaria, Dumfries. In that context signing Rondon as purely as back up to DCL makes good sense strategically.

Sometimes, especially with financial restrictions, squad strengthening has to be functional rather than glamorous. Financially , on back up players , we have to be astute. I too want to see our very best young boys given the chance and hopefully they will get opportunities anyway, probably initially from the bench to prove and hopefully establish themselves.

Robert Tressell
24 Posted 11/08/2021 at 11:13:04
Totally agree Tony. Ordinarily, I don't see the point of buying someone as backup because I always believe you should buy someone striving to take a spot in the first XI (even if it could take a year or two). However, we're so short of numbers in attack we probably need this sort of means to an end signing - and don't appear to have the money to buy a high class youngster.

If we get him and, say, Dumfries then it would look like a very successful window in the weird circumstances.

And realistically, even if we'd have got the likes of Aarons, Bailey and Toney (at a cost of circa £100m), we'd still look well short of a top 4 spot. It would just have increased our chances of finishing 6th as opposed to 8th. Even with money this squad will take longer than one window to sort out.

Danny Broderick
25 Posted 11/08/2021 at 11:15:35
If Inter are getting £97 million for Lukaku, our selling price has to be at least £45 million. Even if Kean has done nothing for us, he is still highly rated in Italy. He had a decent season on loan at PSG last year. We are in a strong bargaining position with him, he still has a few years left on his contract.

I expect a few twists and turns yet before the transfer window closes. If we can get one or two out, we may we’ll be able to get one of two in.

I don’t think we’d miss Kean if he left, based on what he has done in his time at Everton. I thought he might come back to us with the bit between his teeth after his spell at PSG, but he was unbelievably poor in the game against Millionarios, in my opinion. Hopefully he’ll go, and we will bring in Dumfries and one other to strengthen our first team.

Sam Hoare
26 Posted 11/08/2021 at 11:38:23
Tony@23, exactly this. If Rondon did come it would be a short contract and he would play this season and possibly a bit of next, by which time one of the likes of Simms, Dobbin, Broadhead (or maybe Whittaker) will hopefully have kicked on and be ready for more first team minutes. There's a chance both Simms and Broadhead might get Championship loans this year so will be interesting to see how they get on if that transpires.

Meanwhile a RB (not looking like Dumfries sadly) and a RW remain the priorites this summer; though i'd also like a ball playing CM if Delph/Gomes/Rodriguez receive offers.

Derek Thomas
27 Posted 11/08/2021 at 11:40:06
Cutting your coat to suit your cloth = Rondon, likewise Grey and Townsend.
With Kean we paid £30M and got a 'real value £10M...and I maybe over valuing him...Misfit, he maybe a misfit with potential, but for us in the here and now he's a misfit.

Kean is all 'over promise and under perform'

Rondon, Grey and Townsend (and maybe a few others as we go) are deffo 'under promise' hopefully they will 'over perform' - which nobody could ever accuse Kean of up to now...at least for us.

Ian Bennett
28 Posted 11/08/2021 at 11:50:49
Rondon and Martina mk2. What next Mitch Ward and Carl Tiler...
Tim Welsh
29 Posted 11/08/2021 at 12:48:30
Why aren't there clauses in the contracts of these players that precludes them from giving way any club secrets?
This a 21 year old, and he needs a damn good telling off and lecture about professional responsibility and what that means in terms of his endeavours on the pitch and silence off it.
Completely fed up with players who are earning more than I will in a lifetime treating something I love - EVERTON FOOTBALL CLUB - with derision.
Andrew Ellams
30 Posted 11/08/2021 at 12:53:47
Can we fast forward to May now please. I'm not enjoying this season at all. It smells like the late 90s
James Newcombe
31 Posted 11/08/2021 at 13:05:56
A legend in his own mind. I hoped so badly he was going to be a success, and he just stunk the place out almost every appearance. He looked useful in France, but I’d wager that most of our players would. Still, it was well worth a shot, and I would rather take a chance on young talent like Kean (or for example, Armstrong from the Championship) than carry on signing washed up older players.
Sam Bowen
32 Posted 11/08/2021 at 13:13:29
Let’s hope this gets sorted soon and a decent fee is received. Has done absolutely nothing for us and I’ve yet to see even the potential that many speak of with him. He may very well have it but I’ve never seen it in a blue shirt and he clearly has no interest in a career with us. Move on quickly so we can bring in a couple to actually contribute to the first team.

Bob Parrington
33 Posted 11/08/2021 at 13:16:57
Ultimately, if he doesn't want to play for us he should go. I reckon we would all agree on this. Okay, so he goes for a big price or he stays and does his penance by playing well for us and earning his wage.

If Inter or PSG really want him they will pay the $$$$. Let's not stuff about here. use him or lose him ($$$$). I'm on the verge of getting angry with all this BS.

Sam Hoare
34 Posted 11/08/2021 at 13:23:57
Yes, James. An interesting thing to note with Kean is that even though he ostensibly flopped at Everton, we will still sell him for a good fee (very possibly for profit). The same was true of Vlasic and Lookman and would probably be true of Godfrey, even if he were to have a bad season. And of course Richarlison.

The same cannot be said of Delph, Gomes, Sigurdsson, Allan, Doucoure, Tosun etc; which may explain in part why we are struggling with FFP this summer.

Young and (crucially) well scouted players with a good reputation tend to retain (or even increase their value) unless things have gone disastrously wrong.

A counter-example to this may be Iwobi. But i'd say we drastically overpaid for him. He should have cost nearer £20m and if it weren't a pandemic market we would, I reckon, still be able to shift him for around £15m.

Keith Gleave
35 Posted 11/08/2021 at 13:32:04
I understand the ffp position, but are we really feeding below the bottom. Rondon, a past it to China player No.
Geoff Lambert
36 Posted 11/08/2021 at 13:41:31
Keith! it goes with the past it to China Manager.
Andrew Bradshaw
37 Posted 11/08/2021 at 13:41:52
Indeed, Leicester's overachievement under Rodgers is even more impressive given their net spend since his appointment stands at just £49.8M. They have managed to crack the elite and they have done it on a budget dwarfed by those of their rivals.

Where we should be, had it not been for idiots spending like the proverbials drinking in a brewery. Interview with Rodgers on Sky Sports website today. Interesting that he also mentions that quite a few signings he doesn't even see or know about beforehand. Gives a profile to the recruitment guy and hey ho!!!

Sound familiar? So why could/can we not manage that? The money we have spent should have set us up for years, if spent wisely. 'A fool and his' comes to mind!

I posted this on the season preview thread. Probably more relevant on this one.

Andrew Keatley
38 Posted 11/08/2021 at 13:59:56
The sooner Kean is gone, the better. He carries himself like he should by rights be playing for a top club but I just do not see the ability in him to back this up.

I reckon his downward spiral is already underway, and that his market value will never be higher than it is right now.

Brian Murray
39 Posted 11/08/2021 at 14:10:38
I hear this manager is thick-skinned but, if he thinks the likes of Rondon will help his cause, he's best staying his side of the Mersey.

On the positive side, Richarlison will run amok until his legs go a bit and then Dobbin will enter the fray with Onyango and the Premier League won't know what's hit it. Gotta believe that. Keeps me going.

Ernie Baywood
40 Posted 11/08/2021 at 14:55:13
Rondon is from the same shelf as the guy we just released after a 6-month contract where he made no impact.

A second-string striker would be useful in the squad, but why get rid of a guy who had gone through the settling-in period if we're just going to gamble on another?

Both still more use than Kean though. We lose nothing by selling him.

Tony Everan
41 Posted 11/08/2021 at 17:04:55
The Right Back, Aurelio Buta rumour has been picked up by a few places, there could be some truth in it now Dumfries looks likely to go to Inter Milan. Anyone ever seen him play?

From the scouting report I've read he has pace, physicality, ability to get crosses in. He is 24 so ready to take the next step up if he's good enough.

Sounds to me like he will be one of a few on a Plan B list if sadly we don't get Dumfries. He's available for 3m as he's entering the last year on his contract. It sounds like a gamble so I hope he has been scouted well, but at least it's not a £27M gamble!

Whatever happens, his surname will inspire Toffeweb's intrepid pun-ters.

Justin Doone
42 Posted 11/08/2021 at 17:26:58
Probably for the best. Anything over £35M will do.

More importantly is how we reinvest it. Maybe a few Loan to buy options.

Bill Hawker
43 Posted 11/08/2021 at 17:28:40
If we sell, I imagine it'll be too late to buy anyone worth buying without getting skinned (45M for Gylfi anyone?)

I hope we are able to offload him for 35M+ but we'll see.

Barry Rathbone
44 Posted 11/08/2021 at 17:34:42
Fed up with this lad regardless of his social media hints he shows as much appetite for being here as a visit to the dentist. Hopefully he can continue his bench warmer act in Paris where he might learn to control a ball now Messi is om board.

Tell PSG he can go for 25m and let's have shut of the bench warming tart

Justin Doone
45 Posted 11/08/2021 at 17:35:58
I'd rather bring back Feliani than Rondon.
Now don't laugh, as a plan b or c or d..
If James and Digne can play long accurate ball's up to him it cuts out our slow midfield.
A quick chest off (as headers are deemed a health risk) and Dom and Rich are left with some shooting practice. Easy.
Dale Self
46 Posted 11/08/2021 at 17:42:59
At some point the club needs to consider making an example of one of these superstars at whatever the cost in the short run. It isn't an easy calculation on whether you get burned by them performing to potential later on but letting them damage the club's reputation by doing f' all on the field while maintaining the pose on social media is unacceptable.

A quick assessment of their value to the club in its fully contingent form or some other chat up to the media is an easy move without a lot of downside given their position. Nothing too vicious, just a reminder of who holds the cards here. If they continue to act disgruntled rather than show up and prove their worth then give them the ultimatum and wave them around to other teams like a dead geranium.

Brian Williams
47 Posted 11/08/2021 at 17:43:07
Loads have complained that we don't seem to have any sort of plan when it comes to transfers (or anything else for that matter) but I suspect that our approach to transfers this window is being carried out with due diligence.
We've got ourselves a backup keeper, a backup/possible starter winger and a probable starter in attacking midfield with an outlay of under £2m.
We now appear to be in the mix for Buta, a backup/soon to be starter at right back taking the total to around £5m.
I believe that our "major" singing/s are lined up but will only happen when we sell.
I think Kean will go and free up the money for either Nunes or Longstaff (or both) with maybe some to spare.
Any further sale I'd see going towards a backup striker.
So, theoretically, we could have five or even six new faces with an outlay (sales permitting) of under £10m.
Now THAT is good business sense and good common sense if it comes off.
I'm going to withhold the sharpening of my pitchfork 'til the window has "slammed shut" to use Sky's really annoying soundbite.
Robert Tressell
48 Posted 11/08/2021 at 18:10:53
Brian, totally agree. In the circumstances I think if we add Rondon and a RB of quality (though not necessarily fame or great cost) then it's well thought out business.

A timely reminder that like in any market, you can hunt out good value and reduce (but not eliminate) risk. We did that for many years without money, we unfortunately got carried away and careless once we got money.

This season, though potentially disappointing on the pitch, could be a really good platform for building the club back up into something much better.

Tom Bowers
49 Posted 11/08/2021 at 18:23:49
It really seems like Everton are at the stick or twist time.

With only 1.5 million spent they are left with a squad that for the most part is the same as last season which really blew it.

We can only hope that Rafa, can do something or that some players come good and repay some of the big wages they are on. None appear to be leaving and no other clubs seem to be showing any interest in what we have. Speaks volumes I think.

If a new striker is to be added then it will probably only depend if they offload Kean along with the injured Tosun.

I cannot see DCL and Richie giving anything more than last season and what has been coming as midfield support is quite poor too although a fully fit Gbamin may improve the situation.

Brian Murray
50 Posted 11/08/2021 at 19:27:40
Robert post 48’its highly commendable that you as a blue and probably as frustrated as the rest of us is prepared to play play the long game. Only stumbling block is if we say a Graham’s potter or whatever the fans would bite their lip a bit. I fear this manager won’t be given that luxury whether it’s his fault or not.
Robert Tressell
51 Posted 11/08/2021 at 19:41:34
Brian, I can't really remember the pre-Cottee era so, hahaving waited about 30 years or so I can keep going a little bit longer👍
Robert Tressell
52 Posted 11/08/2021 at 19:41:34
Brian, I can't really remember the pre-Co
Tony Everan
53 Posted 11/08/2021 at 21:10:37
Is that what BC stands for when they date stuff?
Mike Jones
54 Posted 11/08/2021 at 22:28:11
I wish he'd just fuck off. Sulky and garbage.
Steve Shave
55 Posted 11/08/2021 at 22:55:53
Where do these players get off posting this cryptic shite? It's either nothing and he is referring to something in his personal life (but risking alienating himself from the fans) or it is something and he is openly showing his excitement at leaving, which is disrespectful. I'm with you Mike, I want him to fuck off now.
Billy Fisher
56 Posted 11/08/2021 at 23:03:37
Sell him to highest bidder, even at a loss. Sick of this sulking spoilt brat who's done nothing. Never seen a successful team where there hasn't been a collective team spirit. He's toxic and nowhere near as good as he thinks he is.
Bob Parrington
57 Posted 12/08/2021 at 01:26:18
Isn’t this recycled Echo news from a couple of weeks ago?
Jerome Shields
58 Posted 12/08/2021 at 07:59:53
Lyndon#7

I thought Iowbi was more a ploy of Brand's to scupper the Zaha Saga and get back in control of Transfers. He was clearly not in control of Transfers prior to that. Brand 's declared objective at the beginning of that Summer was Financial probity, which looked as if it was going to be shattered. In hindsight clearly FFS rules where not a consideration at that time. Arsenal are laughing ever since.

Oliver Molloy
59 Posted 12/08/2021 at 09:31:35
The only explanation is, he is doing his utmost to piss off everybody that is Everton.

I hope the club can sell him for the money paid at least and a sensible sell-on clause. If not, it's time to make a stand and tell him and his advisors his next 3 years with Everton will be a fucking nightmare.

We should be in control of this – not him.

Dan Nulty
60 Posted 12/08/2021 at 09:31:37
Has Gary Smith come back on to apologise to Sam for misreading his post or is he still giving his own head a wobble?

I can't understand why people are criticising Brands for this transfer. He picked up a sought-after, 19-year-old full international and we were all excited having seen his YouTube highlights. If we hadn't bought him then, but had bought him this summer on the back of his season at PSG, we would have been all excited at £25M.

I'm not sure anyone was to know how immature he was. When I first saw him play for us, it looked to me like he was having panic attacks. He was out of breath within minutes of coming on, looked completely lost. Clearly a mental issue there and perhaps he didn't want to come to Everton at all but his agent forced him into it as he fancied making a few million quid.

If we make a profit, then the deal was worth it.

Oliver Molloy
61 Posted 12/08/2021 at 10:51:17
Dan,
I would think DOF ( Brands ) responsibility is to make sure the club are investing their money into the right "characters" and as I have always said from day one - Juventus are clearly no mugs and let "one of the best young prospects" in the world leave for 27 million.
I think Mancini not entertaining the idea of selecting him for his world cup squad despite his PSG goals tells us all a lot.
If the likes of Danny Ings was playing with PSG he would be scoring 20 + in the French league.

Jim Harrison
62 Posted 12/08/2021 at 11:43:18
Comment one by Brian says enough.

Should have turned the comments off right there.

Dan Nulty
63 Posted 12/08/2021 at 12:21:03
I don't disagree Oliver, I would guess it is difficult to fully understand if someone is ready to change country/clubs until they do and would imagine Raoila does all the talking. It would send alarm bells for me but Brands obviously thought worth the risk.

I think Ings would score goals in the French league, no doubt, but they are different types of players.

If we make a profit then it has been worth it. Brands coming in for lots of criticism but I genuinely think the older signings have all been Moshiri, Ancelotti, or Benitez signings, not Brands's.

Iwobi is the prime example over trust your eyes over stats. When we signed him, I remember being told and seeing all these stats about how productive and attacking he was given he was mainly a sub and that it was a smart move. Be interesting to know if he was a Brands signing or not, I guess we will never know. 2 lads in the u18s are Brands signings. 1 a Slovakia goalie who has been called up to the full international team and the other some Swedish wonder kid apparently.

I think the bloke knows his stuff, he is just hamstrung by the managers and owner wanting certain players.

At PSV he was pretty autonomous.

Robert Tressell
64 Posted 12/08/2021 at 12:51:49
Dan, you're definitely right. The Iwobi signing was very much a case of (misleading) stats over what the eye can see. It was also weird in that he played in a position which was then occupied by Bernard (in his best patch with the club) and Richarlison (then our best attacker by some distance).

He's not as bad as is often made out - routinely singled out despite equally crap performances or much worse by his teamates.

However, I think this is partly down to the frustration of what we should have had - being one of the three pieces to complete a very good side along with Gbamin and Zouma.

We needed a fast right winger, ideally left footed. And aside from Zaha names like Malcom, Lozano, Bailey and Neres were mooted at the time.

Weirdly we still (if I've got my dates right) had Vlasic at the club too, albeit he'd reached the end of his first loan in Moscow. Vlasic is a better player than Iwobi and looked it then, not just now. I guess he'd been so mishandled at Everton he was understandably desperate to leave.

As Sam said on another thread, we paid at least £10m too much for Iwobi - and this for the wrong type of player.

Whether it was Brands, Silva or someone else it was a really weird signing.

I'm all for validating transfer targets by reference to stats. In fact this is a vital part of recruitment (many players flatter to deceive with no end product) but something went very obviously awry with Iwobi.

Jim Bennings
65 Posted 12/08/2021 at 12:54:35
Get shut and for a good fee asap.

Should never have come here, should never have got through any interview before signing because the lad seems like a bit of a knob.

There's 21-year-old players with a good head on their shoulders but this fella just seems like a stroppy little bitch.

We need to see the back of him and not make any more high-risk signings for big money again.

Barry Rathbone
66 Posted 12/08/2021 at 13:47:37
Dan Nulty 60

" 𝘄𝗲 𝘄𝗲𝗿𝗲 𝗮𝗹𝗹 𝗲𝘅𝗰𝗶𝘁𝗲𝗱 𝗵𝗮𝘃𝗶𝗻𝗴 𝘀𝗲𝗲𝗻 𝗵𝗶𝘀 𝗬𝗼𝘂𝗧𝘂𝗯𝗲 𝗵𝗶𝗴𝗵𝗹𝗶𝗴𝗵𝘁𝘀" (Kean)

I have to disagree his show reel revealed a big athlete benefiting from a domineering team scoring against dreadful defenders over a short period of time and said as much at the time.

Hoped he might go on to emulate Rom or Lineker, neither of whom can play football, but are effective - it just didn't happen. But the main point is if I (and others) could see his limitations why didn't Brands?

Alan J Thompson
67 Posted 12/08/2021 at 15:18:35
This could come as a bit of a shock to some but I don't suppose it could be that a club selling Lukaku has a list of possible replacements lined up.
Simon Dalzell
68 Posted 12/08/2021 at 15:51:24
Gary(13). I may have got this wrong, but Sam (12) says Gazza NEVER looked after himself. Does he really need to wobble his head.
Dan Nulty
69 Posted 12/08/2021 at 16:33:11
Barry, just flicked through all the news items about Kean signing in August 2019 and the rumour articles in July 2019 and couldn't see you saying that anywhere.

Anyway, are you sure you watched the right YouTube clips? He wasn't big or domineering. Quick, skillful yes. Amazed though that you hoped he would go on to emulate Lukaku or Lineker, neither of whom played similarly or in the same position as Kean at Juventus nor in the clips you supposedly watched.

He looked a completely different player for Juventus than he did for us and again last year at PSG. That happens sometimes I'm afraid, you never know how anyone is going to react to a new country. Sink or swim and he sank. Obviously wasn't prepared to dog in and fight to prove himself.

Dale Rose
70 Posted 12/08/2021 at 16:52:07
A legend in his own mind. Sell him and get the money.
Robert Tressell
71 Posted 12/08/2021 at 17:47:11
Kean had been touted as being an exceptional striker in his age group in world football since he was a very young age. He scored goals on loan at Verona when just 17 and then made the Juve team and Italian national team the following season, again scoring goals. His stock was very high indeed but he remained raw, as you'd expect from someone 6 or so years younger than Broadhead is now and who many seem to still have hope for.

He then got hounded out of Italy by racists, hung out to dry by his captain Bonucci and turned up at a club that was supposed to look after him.

He was 18.

The wheels very quickly came off our season, Silva was sacked, DCL improved unexpectedly beyond all recognition and Kean had no place in the first XI.

He had some good games, some bad. He also had 3 managers in one season.

Almost no-one played well that season.

The following season he was just finding his feet a bit, relaxing in front of goal but clearly wanted out.

He scored goals for PSG against decent opposition including the Champions League. Tuchel trusted him and Tuchel is no mug.

Lots of clubs around Europe want him now but the market has been hit by covid. He remains a highly coveted player and one of the few who would interest a champions league side.

His career could go in a few directions but Everton has been a disaster for him. We've provided a terrible home to a top young talent.

Oliver Molloy
72 Posted 12/08/2021 at 18:47:26
Dan,
"Obviously wasn't prepared to dog in and fight to prove himself."

This sums him up perfectly, no character and for me Brands judgement has to be scrutinised.
I understand all the changes in moving to another country for someone so young and all. I moved to New York when I was 19 and then on to San Francisco for a few years. I had a few contacts over there but that was it. I had to do some shitty jobs to pay my way, I just got on with it like lots of us do.
Kean is getting paid 50 grand a week ! - these young fellas don't know how lucky they are.
He's probably sulking because of Messi signing at PSG.

Regards Ings, yes of course different players but you get my point.
I never thought that Ferguson was right to sub him off after whatever it was at Old Trafford, but having spoken to people who know a few heads at the club, Kean was told to do a specific job by Ferguson and he didn't listen and Ferguson just blew his top and hauled him off.
Tough lesson in front of millions of tv viewers that perhaps made Keans mind up that Everton was just not the place for him.
Ferguson just doesn't like him I think.

I believe this action really

Ingi Eyjolfz
73 Posted 13/08/2021 at 01:55:11
Kean is starting to look like diet Balotelli for gods sake.
Andrew Keatley
74 Posted 13/08/2021 at 03:13:02
Robert (71) - If he was as good as you describe then the top clubs would be beating a path to his door. But he’s not - and they are not. As for how the club have treated him, I actually think Everton did well to protect him (and themselves) from giving him too much time on the pitch to lay bare just how out of his depth he is in this league.

So what happens now? We’d probably accept £35 million for him; a 21-year-old Italian international who scored around 20 goals for PSG last season. On paper that sounds wrong - we should be asking for double that - but Kean on paper and Kean in reality are two very different things… which explains why we seem to have had no interest beyond clubs looking to maybe take him on loan. Why is that? Some may cite Covid or FFP but transfers are happening, and if a big club want a player then they are prepared to spend the money.

Kean has had five years at the top of the professional game, yet I wonder if anybody has been able to really work him out. He scored goals for Juventus, but they let him go. He scored goals for Italy, yet Mancini didn’t want him for the Euros. He scored goals for PSG yet they aren’t busting a gut to retain him. Could it be that when push comes to shove his all-round game is still so incredibly raw that he looks out of place in a top team everywhere except in the six-yard box?

Robert Tressell
75 Posted 13/08/2021 at 13:26:29
I don't think many outside of Everton fans would see us as having protected him Andrew.

I expect most of the footballing world views us as something of a shambles and too lowly of stature for this class of player.

That's not particularly me judging him as exceptional (as we both acknowledge he's raw) - more just voicing how he's generally viewed without the Blue tinted spectacles.

As for who wants him, it's clear that both Milan clubs and Juve would dearly like to take him if they had the money. Inter now do, and the fact that he's strongly being considered as a Lukaku replacement speaks volumes. There are only a few in that category.

As for PSG, they obviously did want him too but got a once in a lifetime opportunity to sign possibly the greatest player who ever lived instead. They don't now have the financial wriggle room.

So big clubs would happily spend the money - they just can't, because covid has made them sellers not buyers. Without that he'd be going to a champions league club for about the same sort of fee Osimhen commanded when he moved from Lille to Napoli (about £60m) when the market was more normal.

Shane Corcoran
76 Posted 13/08/2021 at 19:12:13
We’re after Pereira from United it seems.
Andrew Keatley
77 Posted 15/08/2021 at 20:01:19
Robert (75) - “ too lowly of stature for this class of player”.

I’m not as interested in other people’s reports about players as you are and I’m certainly not one for parroting other people’s opinions. My opinion about Kean is that he comes alive in the six-yard box and seems to possess that ability to make good runs that lose defenders and attract the ball - but from what I have seen of him I suspect that beyond that he is at best raw and at worst a player whose inability to do the basics well will mean his reputation will drop drastically within a year or two, and will ultimately be a player who failed to capitalise on the great opportunities that he had as a young player. So - “this class of player” - you obviously see as elite, and I see as not good enough to play for Everton FC.


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