To be Frank, hard work wasn’t enough

I wanted Lampard to succeed, he was a clear-talking straight-talking man that knew what was required but sadly his Premier League managerial experience was too limited also to give him the necessary toolkit to deal with this wreckage of a club.

I was against sacking Lampard and, until today, I still don't agree with it even now he's left.

I say that because I don't see any standout candidate that will make this team any better than the 3 wins it's had so far this season. The names we are linked with do absolutely nothing to suggest to me anything will change.

Even if a couple of results improve (let's not forget under Lampard we were 7 unbeaten at one stage in September) this group of players always fall back into old habits.

If players can't listen to Lampard or Ancelotti, who have commanded respect for their achievements, then how will a divisive character like Bielsa, a hard-nosed disciplinarian like Dyche, or another succeed?

Our players don't like hard work, don't like constructive criticism, and player power has long since won over here at this club, that's why they are on easy street and have been for too long.

When Richardson left, we replaced him with Maupay who failed to shine, mainly because of a failure to be creative enough to give him goal-scoring opportunities, whereas Richarlison was at the end of half-chances and created his own goals. Calvert-Lewin had his own problems with injury, and even now doesn't look back to his best.

The abject failure by Frank and his coaching staff to coach more creativity for forwards with goal-scoring opportunities is the crux of the matter in my opinion. Watching the ball being pinged around the back four into midfield and back to the back four again, was monotonous. Forward players weren't running off defenders' shoulders into the channels in the final third of the pitch. Having a bunch of headless chickens in midfield doesn't guarantee winning games.

Even now, I don't know what the answer is with this squad of players. Between the board, the manager and the players, they have conspired to bring our club into disrepute, and only some shrewd managing and coaching may give us any chance of staying in the Premier League, but the banding about of ‘Dad's Army” managers and players will not assist that cause.

If I knew the answer, I would be the manager. Good luck.

As a player, Frank certainly knew the value of hard work and dedication.

I once watched a clip of Glen Hoddle trying to demonstrate to international players how to take a free-kick. He was at the point of despair. He was showing them and explaining to them how to do it... but they couldn't. This was a man who had played for years and would have come across thousands of players who were not as technically gifted as himself... Why could he not get it?

I sometimes think former players who become managers expect their players to be able to do what came naturally to them. Frank didn't seem to get that our players were not as dedicated to improving their game as he was.

You are right, of course. Hard work alone is never enough, but going forward, we are going to be fucked without it.

What has happened since is of course the now all-too-familiar fall into chaos and the lack of leadership and sound governance all too apparent.

But at least this morning I am able to read that today Dyche is to be interviewed as a potential replacement. Not of course an exciting potential appointment, but just maybe a sensible one given that more than anybody he has experience of working with a limited squad of players.

Like so many I just want this whole sorry mess to come to some sort of conclusion. Let's us at least have someone in place so that the players can be given instruction and discipline is restored.

Sadly, our fall from grace has been long in the making, we probably haven't yet reached rock bottom, and the whole football world knows that. Dyche looks a decent bloke and if he is prepared to take us on I shall certainly give him my support and will have just a little more confidence when I renew my season ticket. But whatever happens at this present moment, relegation this season looks ever more likely.

If Frank can be blamed for anything, maybe he needed to be more "Frank" during the summer transfer negotiations.

I'd don't know who signs or recommended players but knowing money was tight and I assume it was conversations mainly with Kevin Thelwell:

Thelwell: "Frank, we've got Maupay and McNeil as possible affordable targets; what do you think?"

Frank: "Kev, I think we need more goals mate than those two bring. Also, Maupay doesn't suit our system, we need a centre-forward, can we have a look at the likes of Guirassy, Brereton Diaz maybe, or something similar to those?"

Thelwell: "No, Frank it's got to be Maupay and McNeil, they tell me; you've spent £35 million on Onana so why did you not put some of that on a centre-forward?"

Somewhere along the line, we have had too many cooks spoiling the broth. Frank could have forced the issue in August and said we need two strikers which we did; we need two now even with Calvert-Lewin "fit".

Why and who sanctioned the McNeil and Maupay deals? Why sign Gana? Even James Garner, was he really worth the money, did we really need him?

Who made the signings last summer? The club should come out and tell us straight.

It looks increasingly likely that he ends up in that category of great player, but won't likely make a great coach or manager.

We all wanted him to succeed, even those of us who were not convinced (me included). We all want every Everton manager to succeed.

Your mention of Leon Osman triggered me, especially with the current talk of Anthony Gordon on the other thread. The amount of stick he got used to continuously confuse me. Alongside Arteta, he was our most technically gifted footballer at the time. "Too small, slow and lightweight" was often the call. But he could play football, was committed and weighed in with the odd goal.

If we'd have played him central more often rather than sticking out wide like we did in the 2009 FA Cup Final, we'd have got more out of him. I used to say to my son at the time, if he moved to the continent, he'd have been a star.

One of my fondest memories of him was being sat in the Main Stand, directly in line and watching "little" Leon's salmon-like leap to get the winner at home to Man City having come from behind. Great player and servant to Everton. I wish he would come back.

The emphasis on recycling the ball might work with good technical players in La Liga but the Premier League is played at break-neck speed and our lads can't pass a ball accurately for 5 yards.

I heard from someone at Finch Farm that "It's all about triangles". It can work but you have to be able to trap a ball and pass it and move.

The annoying thing about Lampard was watching him make the same mistakes again and again. His tactics, his subs.

He dabbled with the youngsters, brought back Simms (if it was his decision!) and gave him cameos.

I honestly think that our fans were too kind to him because he had a connection with them and was clearly a very nice guy.

Obviously he could tell us some shit about what went on backstage. He might well have been a saint for staying – a very well-paid saint though.

In years gone by, managers who had tried everything and failed, used to leave by mutual consent. Not anymore.

If he ever gets another job, it will be interesting to see how he gets on.

I remember that clip Darren mentioned, often the most skilful can't coach that well, because they can't explain inate talent, or understand others' lack of it. Watch Roy Keane talk about effort and commitment in that tired, resigned way of his. He can't believe today's players often appear less than engaged.

A good, balanced read, Andrew, in these sad times of bile and clickbait.

The special ingredient that lifts such men above their peers is the ability to motivate and inspire and, like most financially strapped clubs, we've been searching for that man for years.

It was always my concern that Frank lacked the gift and in the end, I guess it killed him. At least with Dyche and Bielsa, they look and act like leaders of men, so here's hoping.

In football, a similar triad might be: "Hardworking/motivated, talented/intelligent, cheap/available" – the pairs are simply manifestations of one another. As a footballer, Rooney was hardworking and talented, but expensive; as a manager, Frank was hardworking and available – but not talented.

Teams like Manchester City and United and Chelsea (once!) can get the players who are hardworking, talented and expensive because they have money; the RS have a remarkable talent for getting hardworking but less talented players for relatively low costs because they appear to have an excellent scouting team, Brentford, Brighton and maybe even Arsenal have gone with the same approach.

Wolves, West Ham and Leicester – and until recently Dyche's Burnley – seem to have at least managed to get hardworking players on very limited budgets.

Everton appear to have manage to acquire a squad of lazy, unmotivated, talentless but expensive players. All we need now is for Pickford to go and we will have a complete squad of players no-one would choose and who can be relied on to poison anyone new turning up.

I agree that Lampard was ultimately found wanting. However, I feel the fact that he fell short was partly due to the malaise in the club as a whole. This of itself alone might account for 3 or 4 league places, and more long-term.

Short periods aside the majority of managers of recent years have performed somewhat below their general level while at Everton. This with varying squad quality, it sometimes being not quite so poor as all have felt IMO.

No DoF has yet seemed to have any positive influence – or been permitted to.

It's that same old thing, that something in the fabric; the very heart of the club, the culture. Whoever comes in as manager is on a wing and a prayer until that's rooted out.

Good post, and to the last paragraph, those are effectively the players we seem to have now. Whether they all came or are inherently that way is another matter. Being at the club seems to do it to them.

"I’m disappointed that we couldn’t achieve more together and wish all the players and everyone at Everton FC the very best for the future."
(Source:Echo)

He waited for the inevitable payoff and has done very nicely thank you. Unfortunately he burned through some vital time and winnable fixtures that we can’t get back and are unlikely to recover from.

We didn't replace Richarlison like for like, was that even possible I doubt it.
Then we have been missing DCL for too much of the season.
Its all about results in the end, but he was deep in the do da chiefly because we have been missing those two this season, I think he would still be our manager if they were fit and in the team.

That means someone/s from Moshiri/Kenwright/Lil' Miss Dynamite or Ingles.

The ever-nodding Kenwright dog that is Sharp was, and clearly remains, a non-entity in his appointment.

As for Cahill, who knows? The silence surrounding him is deafening.

We've been run, for years, by a football non-entity who's somehow managed to personally get very wealthy on HIS terms by finding the only billionaire football fantasist with way less football savvy than him.

And they're all still there.

Jeez!

That means someone/s from Moshiri/Kenwright/Lil' Miss Dynamite or Ingles.

The ever-nodding Kenwright dog that is Sharp was, and clearly remains, a non-entity in his appointment.

As for Cahill, who knows? The silence surrounding him is deafening.

We've been run, for years, by a football non-entity who's somehow managed to personally get very wealthy on HIS terms by finding the only billionaire football fantasist with way less football savvy than him.

And they're all still there.

Jeez!

I think you're confused. Rafa's win rate was 31.8% not 50%.

Frank tried a repetitive prematch format to get the players to aleast play together and hopefully come up to a limited technical standard.But alas they could not even shape up to that.

Against Southampton they where a absolute disgrace.