Everton 3 - 0 Crystal Palace

Prior to today, Everton had only managed three goals in their five matches at Goodison Park but they doubled their home goals tally for the season in some style, putting three past Crystal Palace for the second time this year.

There were so many pleasing aspects, it’s difficult to know where to start — Dominic Calvert-Lewin fit, firing and back among the goals; Anthony Gordon rediscovering the marauding and tenacious player he was at times in the second half of last season; Seamus Coleman keeping Wilfried Zaha in his back pocket and only allowing him to slip out in stoppage time for a free-kick that came to nothing; and Alex Iwobi absolutely revelling again in his roving midfield role, weighing in with two assists, the second a delicious back-heel to present Dwight McNeil with the Blues’ third goal.

It was important because if Frank Lampard had heeded the clamour from many quarters to change either his formation, personnel or both in an effort to kickstart Everton’s season after three straight defeats, Iwobi might have found himself either at right wing-back or out on the wing to accommodate a changed midfield.

Instead, the manager kept his faith both in what he feels is his strongest starting XI of those players available and his formation, albeit with a more disciplined version of 4-2-3-1 that kept Amadou Onana in a deeper role, and Iwobi, like the team to a man, responded with a dominant display over a potentially very tricky opponent.

Iwobi must have covered every blade of grass of the Goodison pitch and he ran this game with the aid of Onana who had as good a game as he has so far since arriving in the summer before he made way for James Garner with 12 minutes to go. It was no surprise that the Nigerian, having found Calvert-Lewin with a pass inside for the opener and played his part in the second goal, was there in the 84th minute to tee up McNeil for a goal that really was the cherry on top of the sundae for Everton.

The successive losses to Manchester United, Tottenham and Newcastle had the potential to send the Blues into a bit of a tailspin. Certainly, after a seven-game unbeaten run had taken them to the brink of the top half at the start of the month, the bottom three was starting to look ominously close again coming into this weekend.

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Lampard needed a big performance back in front of a highly charged home crowd and he got it with a high-intensity start that yielded a flurry of overhit crosses in the first 10 minutes ahead of opening goal that was all down to Calvert-Lewin’s physicality.

The 25-year-old dispossessed Luka Milivojević 10 yards outside the Palace box and when Iwobi threaded the ball back to him, Calvert-Lewin took a neat touch past Marc Guéhi, had the strength to hold the defender off and then drilled a shot across Vicente Guaita that the goalkeeper couldn’t prevent from finding the far corner.

Demarai Gray had a volley blocked and Guaita had to tip a dipping Gordon shot over the bar as Everton continued to harry and press Palace’s back line and carry all the attacking threat in the first half. Indeed, apart from a speculative long-range effort from Milivojević and the visitors’ first effort on target in the 28th minute when Joachim Andersen’s tame header offer a corner was easily gathered by Jordan Pickford, Palace were being kept very much at arm’s length.

Patrick Vieira’s men came out of the half-time interval the more purposeful of the two sides and when Idrissa Gueye was caught in possession in midfield four minutes into the second half, it took a saving tackle from the industrious Coleman to deny Zaha the chance to try and level the contest from the angle.

Two minutes later, Conor Coady had to come across to deny Michael Olise after Vitalii Mykolenko had blocked Odsonne Eduard’s shot and 10 minutes after that Olise whipped a free-kick over the crossbar.

Everton re-asserted their dominance not long after the hour mark, though, with a superbly-worked goal that started with a goal kick in their own half, involved some confident passing out from the back and a lovely pass from Iwobi through the lines to Gray whose pass to Onana was worked in turn to Mykolenko arriving in acres of space on the overlap.

Guaita got a hand to the Ukrainian’s low shot but could only palm it into the path of Gordon who had the simple task of knocking the ball into the empty net. The referee’s assistant had raised his flag for offside but a check by VAR resulted in what was clearly the correct decision — a second goal for Everton.

The match went through a scrappy and bruising phase and Zaha avoided a red card for a heavy elbow to Gordon’s head, sub Jean-Philippe Mateta was booked for a late tackle on Coady and Maupay drew an 84th-minute foul when Andersen clattered though him in midfield.

Everton took that free-kick short and McNeil, on for Gray in a 72nd-minute change, took the invitation to drive at the Palace defence, slip a pass into the box for Iwobi who deftly back-heeled it back into the winger’s path and McNeil tucked it home to make it 3-0.

It was a lovely goal that underlined how good this side can be when it has its tails up and is in full flow. It hasn’t happened very often this season — all too often, the Blues have been tentative and bereft of attacking invention — but what was the most complete performance under Lampard since the win over Leeds in February can serve as a benchmark for future home matches as Lampard looks to take his side to the next level.

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Martin Mason
1 Posted 22/10/2022 at 19:15:42
So much that was good in today's game yet so much that will pull us up against better sides. I won't be negative in any way though, just a fantastic win today.
Paul Kossoff
2 Posted 22/10/2022 at 19:55:15
Great day today for the blue boys. Brilliant win for us and the r shites getting schooled by bottom club Nottingham Forest. Well done Frank and his team for at least realizing you don't give respect to someone who wants to beat the fk out of you, beat it out of them first! Coyb.👮👮👮👮👮
Bob Parrington
3 Posted 22/10/2022 at 23:38:35
On the spot Paul. Impressive display against a team intent on kicking the crap out of the opposition.

3 good goals. How many on here said that McNeill can't score goals. This one was a peach of a goal.

Colin Glassar
4 Posted 22/10/2022 at 23:57:54
Great to feel a different vibe on here today. I thought we deserved at least a point from each of our three previous games but that’s football. Onwards and upwards you toffee men.
Derek Thomas
5 Posted 23/10/2022 at 01:07:53
Frank must change things...why can't he see...he's going to sack himself...got to drop both fullbacks etc and I was as guilty as any.

Nobody had a poor game, (though Gana did tend towards average).

The Referees decisions were incomprehensible sometimes. Palace came to get their retaliation in first.

The Crowd were up, the sun was shining, the rs lost and the US link I was given off the live forum was a joy to watch and listen to.

Same again please next time Mr Lampard.

Fran Mitchell
6 Posted 23/10/2022 at 01:38:49
in 3 seasons, Iwobi had 4 assists.

this season, in 13 games, he has 6 (5 in the league).

what a transformation.

the lad is just 26 so will continue to improve.

He is central to our attacking play, his running and pressing is what he gets most praise for. but key today was how he did most of his play in the opposition half.

leave Gana and Onana to the defensive side, and leave Iwobi to attack and we have one of the best creative midfielders in the league.

Fran Mitchell
7 Posted 23/10/2022 at 01:54:19
Derek, to say Gana tended towards average is harsh imo.

I remember one poor pass in an attacking position. Other than that, alongside Onana, he totally dominated midfield.

Eze, who is an exciting and dangerous player, was made totally anonymous.

Gana pressed, tackled and today,imo was his most impressive performance. In other games he tended to break forward more, lose his position more. Today he was much more disciplined.

This contributed to giving Iwobi and Onana more freedom to break forward when we had the ball.

This is what we need Gana to do. Disciplined positional play in the middle.

Jamie Crowley
8 Posted 23/10/2022 at 02:51:41
Colin -

Well said.

The doom and gloom has getting a bit over the top.

This is a good team that will improve. Today was a subtle reminder that there's teams better than us, but we are MUCH better off than we were last season.

In the words of a wise man, and to all on TW:

Patience, Grasshopper.

David Currie
9 Posted 23/10/2022 at 04:02:03
Great performance today, have to say the amazing decision of the linesman to put his flag up for Gordon's goal at this level of football. Beyond Useless!
Mike Gaynes
10 Posted 23/10/2022 at 04:40:14
Fran #7, amen.

Fran #6, amen.

Jamie #8, Frank said "Patience, Grasshopper" in much longer form:

“I talk a lot about realism and keeping ourselves in check because it can be very up and down. The thing is to try and stay stable and keep working. The squad is pretty new in places and you saw performances from some of those players today. The more they settle, we can move in a good direction. We have to keep ourselves on the ground and try and replicate the energy and the way we played and our idea like we did today.”

Kieran Kinsella
11 Posted 23/10/2022 at 05:22:29
Last year we had two 3 goal winning margins. One against a weakened newly promoted Brentford in the cup, the other versus the all out attack win or get thrashed Leeds during their injury crisis. OK Palace are no great shakes but they’re an established EPL team and one we’ve never had a good record against. So I feel this was the most comprehensive victory we’ve had in a few years.

McNeil is slow but he can dribble and has that Lothar Matheus like ability to drive forward and score. Iwobis confidence has gone through the roof and he’s playing like his uncle Jay Jay Okocha. Gordon? A work in progress but he followed through and put himself in a position to capitalize on the keepers save. This is and will be a transitional year as we didn’t have the funds to turn relegation strugglers into Euro contenders. But all over the pitch there are positive signs and improvements in individuals of the like we haven’t seen in years. Under our last handful of managers (Carlo apart with DCL) any improvement came from new additions. Frank has drastically improved Iwobi from joker to key man. He also has improved us with new additions at a fraction of the cost of his predecessors.

Yes we will probably endure so more bad runs against better teams but I really think if we give Frank some time and hopefully money he can get us to where we want to be. There has been too much comparison with him and Gerrard. Ironically I think Frank benefited from doing worse last year so survival was seen as a win. Also Gerrard kind of inherited the baggage of Houlliers RS lovefest. And even his sacking came on the back of a red card overturned. But while I’d say he was unlucky I am glad he’s gone as the media loved this race to the bottom between him and Frank.

Now we can get on with our own business without false equivalency. If DCL can stay fit, Patterson return and even Godfrey and Mina give us more depth I think we will do ok and this year ok is ok. Next year we can kick it up a notch.

Tony Everan
12 Posted 23/10/2022 at 08:27:20
Woke up and lay in bed reflecting on the match, replaying the goals in my head. All of them had quality which is hugely encouraging.

DCL’s turn and the defender bouncing off him before he finished with aplomb was Haaland -esque. Dom looked buzzing in his interview, there’s plenty more of that to come. Well done lad, excellent performance.

Second goal was a fast build up of fizzing and accurate passing, allowing he ball to be fed to Myko in space, he made the right decision in a fraction of a second to fire in a shot to the far post, Anthony mopped it up. I thought this second goal was the marginal pick of three superb goals.

The third was sublime individual skill from Mc Neill and Iwobi, a thing of beauty.

Very happy Evertonian today.

Jerome Shields
13 Posted 23/10/2022 at 10:19:00
Frank with the same right tactics, with Everton not just not falling back to defend well, but also pushing up with good attacking support play and forwards getting into the correct positions to threaten the Palace goal.

If only that had been the case in the previous three games.

Dave Abrahams
14 Posted 23/10/2022 at 11:48:40
Much more intensity, determination and movement were the principal reasons we won this game, helped considerably by the bear pit support of the Everton fans who were in a defiant mood which can frighten opponents and did to a good degree yesterday.

Of course that brilliant early goal by Calvert-Lewin helped to settle a lot of nerves in the crowd. Now the squad has to keep this work rate up, especially away from home.

Robert Tressell
15 Posted 23/10/2022 at 12:12:27
What a difference a win makes. Even a Lothar Mattheus reference. Excellent stuff.

Since were going over the top, I wonder if Onana could develop as a Yaya Toure type midfield beast. We shall see.

We're going to be frustrating this season, we all know that deep down, but hopefully we'll see talented players like McNeil, Gordon, Gray and Onana develop in the same way Iwobi has kicked on under Lampard. Very good football for the McNeil goal in particular.

I also like the fact we can't get kicked out of games these days. Tarkowski and Coady set the tone.

Jim Bennings
16 Posted 23/10/2022 at 12:53:08
Absolute domineering performance, makes Wednesday night even more frustrating that this talented squad can't turn up at Newcastle when the Geordies weren't great.

But yesterday was just immense, however.

The money we've pissed away over the last 6 years, what a shame in about 2018 we didn't just sign Tarkowski and Coady then – two proper old-school defenders in the Dave Watson, Alan Stubbs, mould.

All the times I have been critical last season of the likes of Michael Keane and Mason Holgate and said they didn't enjoy defending, well look at Coady and Tarkowski – that's what I mean about "enjoying" defending.

The whole team yesterday was transformed, Gordon looked like he'd had a rocket up the arse, Iwobi continues to be Jay Jay Okocha reincarnated, and even McNeil comes on and looks tricky and already has two goals to his name.

Makes a big difference having a proper centre-forward though eh?.

Lampard deseves credit for turning the careers around of certain players, he's done something astronomical with Alex Iwobi's career, "Iwobinho".

I seen this morning also a news bulletin for the search party looking for Wilfred Zaha, apparently cops need to find Seamus Coleman first to see if Zaha is in his arse pocket as it's a place he's frequently visited over the years.

Christopher Timmins
17 Posted 23/10/2022 at 13:03:43
If you bring back Patterson for Coleman, then I have little doubt that this is the manager's preferred starting 11. The manager deserves credit for sticking with the team that started against Newcastle, against the wishes of many on the forum. He knows his best 11!

I know Danny won't agree with me but we are a mid-table team at the moment, a big improvement on last season, and like all mid-table teams, you lose more than you win against teams in the top half, teams like Manchester United, Spurs and Newcastle.

We are on a slow but steady path towards a better future and fans need to be patient and understand that our journey towards the top half and then the Top 6 will take time and there will be bumps along the way. However, based upon yesterday's performance, there are reasons to believe that we will get there.

Fulham next week will be another good test.

Peter Rietdyk
18 Posted 23/10/2022 at 13:34:34
I am a newcomer to the site but have been watching Blues since the days of Peter Farrell. I also went to Oldham when we were promoted.

I enjoy the banter between various writers; please keep it up.

Ian Bennett
19 Posted 23/10/2022 at 13:41:51
Glad to see Iwobi play in the Number 10 position. A small tweak, but I think it made a huge difference in creating chances.

Some lovely goals yesterday. A 10+ passing move for the 2nd, and delightful link-up for the 3rd.

Hope more of the same before the World Cup break.

Dave Abrahams
20 Posted 23/10/2022 at 13:44:22
Peter (@18),

Welcome to the site, Peter, you took your time getting here. you must be a tidy age seeing you were at that famous Oldham game, our last Second Division game.

Danny O’Neill
22 Posted 23/10/2022 at 14:00:32
I won't repeat myself too much from the other thread, but the difference was the commitment and desire off the ball as much as it was the quality on it.

Fight, spirit and standing up to the physical challenge. Earning the right to play football and dictate the game.

The challenge now is achieving consistency and doing that more regularly.

Welcome, Peter. We're an odd mix of people with different opinions, similar thoughts and one passion. But one Blue family. Like all families, we'll have our fallouts, but we always unify and come back together when it matters.

Christopher, I'm thinking 7th now, but then I'm a self-confessed idiot and the family are raising their eyes to the heavens at me.

Doing my duty and following Villa this afternoon in return for Mrs Danny putting up with me yesterday.

Peter Rietdyk
23 Posted 23/10/2022 at 14:13:31
Dave Abrahams, I'm pretty clueless with technology so excuse errors, but as to age, I am hopefully a young 83.
David Pugh
24 Posted 23/10/2022 at 14:17:23
Welcome to the site, Peter. It’s a bit like turnover of staff, as some posters are un-necessarily banned, new ones come in!
Will Mabon
25 Posted 23/10/2022 at 14:25:37
Good report - and what a great photo.
Peter Rietdyk
26 Posted 23/10/2022 at 14:25:51
To all you youngsters it will not be a problem but I just want to survive long enough to see a game at Bramley-Moore Dock.
Will Mabon
27 Posted 23/10/2022 at 14:27:23
Peter - "Youngsters". All relative I guess!
Danny O’Neill
28 Posted 23/10/2022 at 14:32:16
See you there, Peter!!!
Dave Abrahams
29 Posted 23/10/2022 at 14:42:16
Peter (23), Peter you seem to be doing okay with the technology,I’m not too clever with it myself but I’m a bit younger than you but young at heart like yourself!!
Barry McNally
30 Posted 23/10/2022 at 15:05:16
Can't remember the last time Everton scored three goals as good as the ones yesterday - answers on a postcard!
I thought the first once was the best - great centre-forward play by DCL.
Peter Rietdyk
31 Posted 23/10/2022 at 15:31:07
I have been reading ToffeeWeb for a long time and I am familiar with a lot of names so I thought I would say my main reason is reading reports by Lyndon and Michael much better than local or National press
Christopher Timmins
32 Posted 23/10/2022 at 16:30:41
Welcome to the family Peter!
Peter Rietdyk
33 Posted 23/10/2022 at 17:08:20
Thank you for all your kind regards
Mike Gaynes
34 Posted 23/10/2022 at 17:11:20
Peter Rietdyk, we're always glad to welcome more wisdom, experience and historical perspective!

Dave #20, I love your expression... "tidy" age. I'd like to use that one.

Phil (Kelsall) Roberts
35 Posted 23/10/2022 at 19:22:47
Can't agree Calvert-Lewin's was the best goal

Gordon's started off with Pickford and involved Pickford, Tarkowski, Coady, Pickford again, Coleman, Iwobi, Calvert-Lewin, Iwobi again, Gray, Onana, Mykolenko, Gordon.

And Gordon had got the edge of the 6-yard box before the linesman put his flag up. How bad was that?

And McNeil went past 5 players before getting the Iwobi backheel.

Just wished that MotD had not spent too much time eulogising about the goals. I am sure they would have it was Man City or McNeil's was scored by some no mark from Egypt.

Dave Carruthers
36 Posted 23/10/2022 at 19:53:05
Hello Peter Rietdyk.

My Dad always told me he was at the game in 1951 when we got relegated, but was there at Oldham in 1954 when they got promoted. He always reminded me that I was born a year later and that I would never have his experience of seeing them in the Second Division championship.

Bless him, though he passed in 2004, he has been right so far. His first game as a youngster was the famous 7-4 win vs Sunderland in the cup in the mid '30s.

I have passed the baton on to my son Tom who saw his first game in 1999. Been tough but he loves the Blues and think he forgives me!! The three of us had one game together in 2002. It's what Everton is all about…

Joseph Walsh
37 Posted 23/10/2022 at 21:11:11
Love it Dave!

Creating memories with three generations of Caruthers is what it is all about!

They may not forgive us for “passing the baton on” for the nerve shredding moments but the highs make it worth it - I just want us to win something again for my boy to see what I saw as a boy in the '80s.

I've just posted an article about the same subject which I'm sure Lyndon is vetting now before publishing.

Bernie Quinn
38 Posted 23/10/2022 at 21:21:52
I have crawled out of my sick bed to send this post. Missed the last two games through illness, so had to rely on reports. Clearly the Newcastle game was a shambles, but like Danny O'Neill, I was very disappointed with the negative comments of the regular "lynch" mob as Danny called them. Nor was I impressed with Michael Kenrick's post in that thread. Six lines and he wrote the F word six times. Rather poor coming from an editor.

I also agree with Christine (and others) telling the lynch mob to get off the manager's back - and the team's. Vent your venom at Kenwright and the numpties in the Boardroom.

In the Palace game there was obviously a vast improvement – from the same players – yet before the game there were negative comments against the manager from the usual suspects. You may be Evertonians, but I don't class you as true supporters!

Remember, Frank only joined the club 10 months ago. He inherited a dysfunctional, disheartened team, full of injuries. and facing relegation. And who can forget the passion of the last weeks of last season!

Since then, Frank has had just one transfer window, and hardly any money to start rebuilding our team, and doing a fine job of it. In August, a lot of us were saying we would be happy if we could end up around halfway this season and will need 2 or 3 seasons to be contenders for the Top 6. I see we are sitting in 11th place at the moment. From day 1 I have supported Frank as manager, and used my motto, "In Frank I Trust!"

I am in very poor health right now – not sure whether I will even see the end of the season, but I hope we do well in the Premier League and that Danny sees the Toffees win that League Cup! God Bless the club; the manager; the players; and you, the positive supporters. And now I'll go back into my sick bed.

Dave Carruthers
39 Posted 23/10/2022 at 21:22:13
And your own Dad was in the iconic ‘66 Muhammed Ali Hyde Park picture with the Everton fans before the cup final I think Joseph?!
I love the idea of passing the baton. Went to Goodison for the first time with my Dad in ‘65 vs Chelsea ( 1.1 Gabriel) and have never, ever forgotten the moment I walked into the Bullens Road stand and looked out over the ground. Can imagine many Toffee Webbers feel the same. I do believe the Everton family links are quite unique
Joseph Walsh
40 Posted 23/10/2022 at 21:30:13
Correct Dave. That was him.

I took my five year old to his first ever game yesterday and filmed him walking up the steps to see the pitch and his face was priceless. That memory from yesterday will never leave me

Andy Crooks
41 Posted 23/10/2022 at 21:35:20
Bernie, YOU WILL see the end of this season and the new ground and more. Never met you but I KNOW you are a man of steel. Get well and get strong, Blues like you are precious.
Dave Carruthers
42 Posted 23/10/2022 at 21:36:00
Bernie, I feel Joseph and I have taken over with our family ties posts!! I always love your positivity and agree with your latest post 100%. Please take it easy and get well soon
Peter Mills
43 Posted 23/10/2022 at 21:44:45
Barry #30 - I haven't got any postcards, but I'll make a suggestion that the 3 goals yesterday were the best trio since the 2 headers by Andy Gray and Trevor Steven's beauty versus Sunderland in 1985.
Joseph Walsh
44 Posted 23/10/2022 at 21:50:36
Yes - apologies Bernie.

Get well soon and hope to see you in BMD in the near future!!

Phil Sammon
45 Posted 23/10/2022 at 21:52:27
Peter 43

The 3 we scored at WHU in Martinez’s reign were exceptional. Two wonderful free kicks from Baines and a barnstorming Lukaku header. That has to be right up there.

Tony Everan
46 Posted 23/10/2022 at 22:19:36
Bernie 38, wishing you all the best and hope you get your health and strength back soon.
Will Mabon
47 Posted 23/10/2022 at 22:50:15
Bernie - best of luck with it all.
Rob Dolby
48 Posted 23/10/2022 at 22:56:25
It was a quality game from our side with everyone contributing. Man City apart, I do think it's fine lines in the Premier League. There are a handful of top teams and the rest.

Palace set up with a lot of attack-minded players on the pitch but only 1 proper centre mid. How many times last season did we lose games due to our slow midfield getting overrun? Not this time – we dominated midfield winning the ball back quite quickly.

DCL makes a massive difference, his physical presence helped win back the ball for the first. He won and held up most balls, linking play up.

As much as Mauphey tries, his transfer to us looks like the last loaf of bread in the shops during lockdown, we needed a striker and it was him or nothing.

It's pretty obvious that we need to improve competition in the final third, some of the crosses yesterday where embarrassing for professionals.

Yesterday will give the lads confidence going into the Fulham game, can't wait.


Mike Gaynes
49 Posted 23/10/2022 at 22:59:49
Bernie, we're all with you, sir. All the best and let the victories heal you!
Kieran Kinsella
50 Posted 23/10/2022 at 23:45:21

Hang in there mate we need more of your wise words buddy. Get well soon.

Steve Brown
51 Posted 24/10/2022 at 03:10:28
Bernie, keep fighting sir.

We all look forward to seeing you back in good health, so we can read your wise words.

Christine Foster
52 Posted 24/10/2022 at 05:05:41
Bernie, bugger that! I was thinking of meeting up at BMD, so chin up buddy, don't let it get you down.

For the past week or more I've had a really bad covid, teach me to believe all those that it was safe to take my mask off! So poorly it makes you thankful you got the jabs. Hopefully in a week or so I'll be okay, like you I hope!

You didn't miss much against Newcastle but the Palace game just had me scratching my head and wondering why we haven't been playing like that the previous game? Seem to be our own worst enemies… Hang in there, Bernie, we are short enough of blues at the bottom of the world!

Jerome Shields
53 Posted 24/10/2022 at 05:33:22
Bernie, you will get to the end of the season and beyond. There will be plenty of good performances between now and the games at BMD. Of course there will be a few hiccups, being Everton, which you are hardened too.

We have the right manager at last and the team will improve. If Frank can get half the level of improvement out of players that he has got out of Iowbi, we might win something. The players will grow in confidence as they see that the way that the team is set up works and good football becomes the norm. Players will be added to get more depth.

I was always of the opinion that Frank's play would be based on good football from the start. The more Everton plays, it is obvious that this is the underlying aim of the manager.

Frank in August told us to forget formations, his play is based on good football, defending and going forward. Even in the last three games,,this was the objective, but some players fell short; they didn't against Palace.

Bob Parrington
54 Posted 24/10/2022 at 06:40:51
Peter@18 etc et al - Welcome to TW. I'm a tad younger than you at 74 years old. We're coming over from Australia as a family to watch at BMD.

So 3 generations (would've been four if my Dad had been a Blue). Have tickets for 3 of us (# gens) for the games in Sydney next month also.

Enjoy TW. It's often hilarious, sometimes frustrating but all Everton family. There are some brilliant football brains on here, too!

Danny O’Neill
55 Posted 24/10/2022 at 06:41:49
The manager didn't panic and kept his faith. We finally have a strategy and a plan on the pitch.

It might be a bumpy ride and success won't be instant. Trying to undo the failings of the last several years won't happen last week, this week or next week. But stick with the plan and see it through.

Off the pitch there is a plan at the strategic level (stadium), but that boardroom clings on.

Bernie, don't go anywhere because once the league settles after Christmas, we're looking up, qualifying for Europe and winning a trophy. And we've got Fulham on Saturday.

Quis Separabit. Slante.

Bob Parrington
56 Posted 24/10/2022 at 07:01:14

I can't understand why Frank comes under so much criticism - other than looking at points total just now. His improvements have been massive and we need to look longer term.

He seems to understand people and not be dogmatic as a few previous managers have been. It's about getting the best out of players and not letting one's own ego get in the way (IMO). Frank seems to have that understanding.

But this is TW, of course, and there are lots of differing opinions. Fair enough. Let's continue to enjoy them all.


Peter Rietdyk
57 Posted 24/10/2022 at 09:28:31
Dave Carruthers,

I was also at one of the last games when Sheffield Wednesday beat us I think 6-0 but could be wrong.

But I was at Wembley to see the second-best day of my life – the first being when I got married… ahem!

Brian Harrison
58 Posted 24/10/2022 at 09:54:43
I wonder if the players expressing their dissatisfaction in the dressing room at Newcastle helped change the tactics and mindset for the Palace game.

Conor Coady came out in the press to say the players spoke after the game and said they needed to be more aggressive and be more positive when in possession. Howard often took the players for a Chinese in Southport when things weren't going as well and it always seemed to have the right effect.

I think if Frank and his coaches listened and took on board what the players were saying, then it's credit to them. Managers lose dressing rooms when they don't listen to the thoughts of the players. I also think it's a plus when that happens, as it bonds the players and manager even closer.

There weren't any changes on Saturday in team selection, but the changes in the mindset were there for all to see. A team pressing high up the pitch and keeping that intensity for most of the game.

I think we are capable of beating most outside the Top 3 teams, as long as the team believe in themselves as they did on Saturday, and we don't slip back into our defensive mindset.

Tony Everan
59 Posted 24/10/2022 at 10:28:43
Interesting that Brian, having Coady is good for the club on different levels. He is an authoritative voice linking the dressing room to the management team. It's like having two captains with the universally respected Seamus and the more vocal Coady, it's harmonious not conflicting. I can see Coady taking to management like a duck to water in 5 or 10 years time.
Danny O’Neill
60 Posted 24/10/2022 at 10:28:58
That's a possibility, Brian. Seen it done at my own humble level. Sometimes let the players go at each other and sort it out with some home truths.

Not too dissimilar to us on here and when we meet at the match!!

Peter, it wasn't a clean 6 - 0 but you made me think of standing on the Gwladys Street when we battered Arsenal 6 - 1 sometime in the mid-'80s. Unsavoury chants at "champagne" Charlie Nicholas.

Peter Rietdyk
61 Posted 24/10/2022 at 11:26:01
This upcoming game against Fulham reminds me of Vera Cruz, Mexico, 1963.

We were 5 hours behind the UK and the result came through at noon: Everton 4 Fulham 0.

So 36 hours of joyous mayhem. Happy days!

Danny O’Neill
62 Posted 24/10/2022 at 11:54:31
I watched the tunnel access clip. Notable points.

Coady galvanising from the warm-up and in the tunnel.

Coady and Tarkowski quickly getting together after Calvert-Lewin's goal to discuss and no doubt starting to think about organising and concentrating the team even though we'd just gone a goal up.

If there was any doubt about where his head was, Anthony Gordon loves the club and the fans.

Frank Lampard has got this club and understands the supporters.

Dave Abrahams
63 Posted 24/10/2022 at 12:01:42
Brian (58),

Well, there was a vast difference in attitude between the two games, with the first game producing, according to reports, a meek defensive performance with not one shot on target and the Crystal Palace game quite the opposite with the same players and same manager and coaches, so something changed.

I'm giving Frank the time to build a good squad and time to produce a winning one with good fluent football. I hope he does, it's what we all hope for.

I have my doubts going back to the end of last season with the mistakes he made in games at Burnley and especially Watford with that very defensive performance against a team that hadn't won at home for a long time.

Then the bleedin' head scratcher with Gomes getting picked for the Crystal Palace game at home and nearly every Everton fan wondering what the fuck was he thinking? Thankfully he had the sense to drag him off at half-time and let Dele Alli change the game.

Yes, let's praise him when he gets it right and let him know when we think he hasn't; he's only human and can make mistakes. So carry on, Frank, the trust will come when you prove you're worthy of it – and it will definitely take a lot more than 9 months, as it will with any manager.

Meanwhile, thanks for Saturday. Let's have a lot more of those performances and the results will improve as well.

Gerry Quinn
64 Posted 24/10/2022 at 12:32:15
Stats for Iwobi versus Palace extremely impressive for someone the majority criticised and wanted rid of...

100% tackles won
87% pass accuracy
53 touches
13 final third passes
4 ball recoveries
3 key passes
2/3 long balls completed
2 assists
2 big chances created

Danny Baily
65 Posted 24/10/2022 at 12:33:23
Dave 63, the something that changed was the opposition. Man Utd, Spurs and the Barcodes have better players and better managers.

I'm starting to believe we can and will beat those teams around us, which will keep us safe this season. After last season we can't ask for much more than that. 7 more wins, a few draws and we're there.

Dave Abrahams
66 Posted 24/10/2022 at 12:50:35
Danny (65),

Fair enough but I think the biggest difference was the attitude, intensity, determination and going forward which wasn't apparent in the three previous games.

I'm not expecting big things off the Blues this season, but I want to see them let the other teams know they are in a game we are trying to win, On Saturday, we did this; I'm happy with that.

I just want those performances to continue and Mr Thelwell to carry on like he has started, bringing better players in than we had before and getting some pretty poor players off the books and wage bill.

Danny O’Neill
67 Posted 24/10/2022 at 13:02:11
Absolutely, Dave Abrahams. It was obvious from the start.

Within reason, it doesn't matter who you play. Once you cross that line, you have to show desire, commitment and passion as well as ability and footballing talent. It can work the other way against so-called lesser teams as much as against the better ones.

Either side of the pendulum, if you don't show up, you don't have a chance.

We showed up on Saturday.

Finding that consistency is now the challenge.

Stu Darlington
68 Posted 24/10/2022 at 13:47:34
As I said at the start of the season, I'm beginning to like this team: 3 valuable points and 3 great goals.

I was particularly pleased for McNeil, he has been a bit of a whipping boy on TW but his goal was pure class.

His greatest criticism has been his lack of pace, but raw pace is not always needed when you are playing in traffic like he often is.

He's certainly got what is needed there, good balance, a football brain, and quick feet. I think he will develop into a very useful player for us.

Jay Harris
69 Posted 24/10/2022 at 15:25:33
Totally agree, Dave,

I would make an analogy with boxing. If you start off half-hearted, your opponent immediately gets the upper hand and the confidence to go at you and dominate.

We have all criticized Everton for sitting too deep and inviting other teams on whereas, if you do your defending further up the pitch, you stand more chance of scoring goals.

I did think Palace made us look good at times, but we still showed the heart, determination and class that all the supporters have been looking for.

Let's hope that can be a springboard over the rest of the season and we don't revert to type.

Phil (Kelsall) Roberts
70 Posted 24/10/2022 at 15:32:22
Loved Coady when the two Palace players got yellow cards for clattering our players. Don't mess with us.

About time we stood up for ourselves

Brian Harrison
71 Posted 24/10/2022 at 15:43:41
Whatever it was that made us to change to a more attacking team, it certainly had the desired effect.

I don't happen to believe that Newcastle are a better team with a better manager; had we showed half the attacking intent against them as we did against Palace, I think we would have gotten something from that game.

I watched the Newcastle v Spurs game and I thought Newcastle and Spurs look very ordinary and I think both will struggle to make the Top 6.

I hope that playing a higher line becomes the norm and we don't revert back to sitting back and hoping to hit teams on the break. Yes, Fulham have got off to a decent start but it's pretty much the same side that played in the Championship last season.

So I hope we set our stall out to be aggressive and put their back 4 under pressure from the first whistle. Now that Calvert-Lewin is available, we now have a focal point to our attack, but he needs bodies round and about him when we have possession.

Mike Gaynes
72 Posted 24/10/2022 at 15:54:44
Phil #70, Tarkowski too.
Geoff Lambert
73 Posted 24/10/2022 at 15:58:56
Agree on the two guys in the CB role, We have needed a bit of steel and someone who aint affraid to get stuck in and rattle a few cages for a long long time.

Run run wherever you may be we are the famous EFC....

Mick O'Malley
74 Posted 24/10/2022 at 17:02:24
Bernie, sorry to hear you've been Ill, hope the Blues put a smile on yer face Saturday.

I've just watched a funny video on YouTube, fantasy league football recreating the Mike Trebilcock goal from 1966 FA Cup Final, with Eddie Kavanagh in it. Give it a watch if you get a chance, it was filmed on the estate were I live.

Anyway, that was more like it Saturday, good quality goals and a feel-good factor coming back. I'm loving Coady and Tarkowski, sticking up for team mates, makes a change from the timid Michael Keane and constantly injured Mina UTFT!!

Dale Self
75 Posted 24/10/2022 at 18:41:02
I agree with Dave that Frank has something yet to prove but I will give him full credit for appearing to clear the locker room and getting some positivity back. The form of several players is no doubt down to him and his style.

While he clearly lacks the incisive view of the game we would like, we are not far from a well-centered team plan. If he can get Iwobi to time his pressure and not leave Onana and Gana guessing, and additionally learn to stay in the line and cover for them, we are not far at all from a system type that serves Newcastle rather well with Guimares.

Overall, the progress is there to see and some decent discipline in seeing out some results could go a long way toward giving the squad a vision of football they can buy into.

We don't expect Frank to put together a defensive juggernaut but we've got enough to be difficult to break down and a couple of sharp counter-attacks into their box and some teams will not go at us full tilt which will give Iwobi a chance to settle our possessions.

Two things: that initial episode of Iwobi and Gordon creating space was important for settling into possession; three games of very intense defending and Onana did not pick up a card in any of them. This is a good run of games ahead; if the squad gets their ruthlessness together, we could come out in form up the table and possibly having a laugh at the shite across town.

Bernie Quinn
76 Posted 24/10/2022 at 21:37:16
Sorry for my late reply. Christine at 52 - Many thanks for your post, Love - I feel guilty about moaning about my woes, and not considering other people may be ill or infirm - mainly you Christine, as you have alays been special to me.

My wife, Sheila and I have avoided Covid so far. and certainly don't want it, I just hope you are now recovering and over the worst of it. With God being an Evertonian, I am hoping He (or She) gives me a few more seasons to see the Toffees win a few trophies, though for health reasons, my trips to the UK have come to an end.

Danny at 55 - The answer to the Guards Motto is - "No-one as we were the Queen's Men, and now the Strong Everton Family. Lets get that evasive League Cup for you!

To all my wellwishers out there - Thanks for your posts. I am very proud that I belong to such a vast family of Evertonians in so many countries - USA - Canada - Ozzie - NZ - Ireland - England and even a namesake in Aberdeen! And thank you to ToffeeWeb for making it possible.

To the negative posters - if you think of Clubs like Norwich; Blackpool; etc - well they have no real chance of winning a major trophy, and yet thousands of supporters watch them every week - Why? - Because they enjoy the game and to encourage their team to win now and then. No griping or moaning. So how about being the same? No more talk of 'getting rid' or 'sack the manager' it doesn't help. Being more supportive does.
God Bless you all.

Bill Gall
77 Posted 24/10/2022 at 22:54:31
I watched the game over again and as I was overjoyed with the 3rd goal, I took a look at the 2nd.

Although the 3rd was good, I think the 2nd goal was the best for a long time. As a team goal, it went from keeper to defenders, through the midfield, ended up with a fullback shooting, getting a save from the keeper, to a forward who scored. I think it took over 10 passes from keeper to scorer, with the Palace keeper the only one of the Palace players to touch the ball.

That to me shows the progress we are making as a team.

Christine Foster
78 Posted 24/10/2022 at 23:07:36
Bernie #76,

Dam it, Bernie, think of Iwobi, written off for years but now he is the comeback king! A few more seasons in you yet mate! As John Lennon said, "Life is what happens when you're busy making other plans".

But sometimes it's having something to look forward to that makes it happen, so I won't give up on that catch-up at BMD!

I drove up to Cambridge a couple of weeks back, helping out family, and neglected to wear my mask... idiot. Before I knew it, I was dreading taking the RAT test. Negative for the first one, but still starting to feel lousy, Positive for the second and third ones... yep, welcome to the club! So, you and Sheila don't get swayed by public pressure, stay safe!

There have been a couple of times I have thought when we are on song, with all our players back, that we aren't a bad team... but for some reason we struggle to maintain the level of performance. Hopefully we are just getting up to speed!

For now, I am savouring the win and the way we did it... long may it continue!
Stay safe, Bernie!

Bernie Quinn
79 Posted 25/10/2022 at 07:11:38
Christine at 78 - Ooh you are awful - but I like you!

That Covid sounds bad, hope your recovery is well on its way. A win at Fulham this weekend should help, and I will listen out for your screams!

If you keep bullying me, I may take a gamble with air flights in order to meet you at BMD. Remember though, I will always have this love affair with Goodison Park. Why can't they name BMD, Goodison 2 (Too)?

Christine Foster
80 Posted 25/10/2022 at 08:32:56

They should rebuild the Boys Pen in the new Everton Stadium at Bramley-Moore Dock (hang on, must be politically correct: The Young Offenders' Rehabilitation Meeting Point) and call it Kenwrights Klangers and give him an honoury season ticket – with obstructed views of course! Seeing as how he loved the place so much!

The Old Lady will slip into folklore, remembered only in reruns of the Palace game, or when 70,000 were in attendance... St Domingo's should be knocked down and rebuilt on site, the sewage plant next door should be painted red and called Anfield load.

But I would like to see the game clocks from Goodison kept at either corner of the field as a tribute to every second played, every golden vision, and every prayer made to it, to speed up, or slow down. If they could tell a story, for they have been witness to elation and heartbreak, pride-bursting moments captured in time.

I wonder, do they still have Littlewoods on them! Must look.'.

Danny O’Neill
81 Posted 25/10/2022 at 08:50:14
The clocks are long gone, but maybe we could put one on the entrance / plaza.

Hopefully this works.

I think I might be in there somewhere. Not in the actual shot but maybe in the middle of the Gwladys Street.

David Pugh
82 Posted 25/10/2022 at 09:10:47
An interesting article in the red echo seven years ago about what happened to the Littlewood clocks……..

Times past but Littlewoods clocks are precious artefacts still

Bernie Quinn
83 Posted 25/10/2022 at 22:21:34
Christine - Danny - David -- You guys are great! brought a big smile to my face and the memories keep flowing. Thanks so much. But don't knock the Boys Pen, Christine - I was a regular attender back in the day - and was squashed in that crowd of 78,299, something I always brag about!!

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