Everton vs Arsenal classified as 'high risk' fixture

18/01/2023 237comments  |  Jump to last

Everton have designated their next home game as "high risk" following consultation with local police as the controversy over recent security concerns at Goodison Park continues. 

The club took the unprecedented step of instructing members of the Board of Directors not to attend last Saturday's fixture against Southampton citing "real and credible threat to their safety and security" on a day when a sit-in protest was planned by fans unhappy with the Farhad Moshiri regime's running of the organisation.

A statement published on evertonfc.com just three hours before kick-off blamed "malicious and unacceptably threatening correspondence" and "increasing incidents of anti-social behaviour – including targeted physical aggression - at recent home matches" for the decision to assign the visit of the Saints high risk status for club officials.

Following a review of "all matchday and non-matchday security arrangements" in the wake of alleged death threats sent to Chairman Bill Kenwright and confrontations between apparent fans in Goodison Road after the Southampton game, Everton have said in another statement, this time circulated in the media, that, "enhanced security procedures and protocols are being put in place for the club’s players and staff," and that, "the club can confirm that Everton’s next fixture at Goodison Park (Arsenal on Saturday 4 February) will also be categorised as high risk.

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“The club will not be making any comment related to specific historic incidents."

In addition to the emailed threats, personal abuse and a report of a crash barrier being thrown through a glass window outside Goodison Park, the "historic incidents" alluded to in the statement include the allegation that CEO Denise Barrett-Baxendale was grabbed by a fan and placed in a headlock as she left the Directors’ Box during an earlier, unspecified fixture, believed to be the match against Brighton & Hove Albion on 3 January.

Merseyside Police have confirmed that no reports of unlawful behaviour had been reported by the club but further inquiries by the likes of the Liverpool Echo and The Athletic suggest that Professor Barrett-Baxendale had elected not to escalate the incident to a criminal matter.

Everton now deem that matter to have been resolved but the timing and the manner in which the allegation leaked into press reports in the lead-up to the Southampton game have been a source of consternation among some supporters who feel that the club's fans have been stigmatised during a time of discontent and protest at the hierarchy.

Though the NSNOW group who organised Saturday's protest have not outlined specific plans for another largescale demonstration at the Arsenal game, further expressions of dissatisfaction with Moshiri and the Board are expected during and after that fixture. 


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Colin Glassar
1 Posted 18/01/2023 at 07:03:40
So will United Nations peacekeepers be drafted in to protect this bunch of crooks from some chanting and negative banners?

This must be the scummiest board in world football. Not only have they driven us into the ground but they’ve embarrassed and humiliated us. We must be rid of them by hook or by crook.

Derek Thomas
2 Posted 18/01/2023 at 07:13:53
If that's them "wanting to draw a line under it"...and "consider it resolved" God help us if they ever bear a grudge and take the kid gloves off.
Ernie Baywood
3 Posted 18/01/2023 at 07:22:23
Every match will be high risk if the board turn up.

Actually, maybe NSNOW should make that clear. If you're there, we'll protest loudly. We'll declare the game high risk so you don't have to.

I wonder how many businesses would continue to employ a board where their customers/clients (we sometimes forget that) actually protest against them?

My company goes into a tizz if we get average feedback from a client.

Ian Hollingworth
4 Posted 18/01/2023 at 07:23:25
At least Ian Wright had apologised to us


Danny Baily
5 Posted 18/01/2023 at 07:30:12
Colin, it was the scenes after the last match that were embarrassing for us (and of course the performance on the pitch!). I'm not surprised they're putting some extra measures in place. This response seems measured and reasonable.

The air does need clearing though, and that's easier said than done. Everybody needs to cool down, and the clubs plan seems to be to ride this out.

The only thing that will retrieve the situation? Results. If we were winning we'd be regarded as a well run club (new stadium, record sponsor deals etc.). Results are the issue.

Eddie Dunn
6 Posted 18/01/2023 at 07:47:10
The club refusing to comment on historical allegations is their way of having their say and not listening to anyone else's opinion.
Every day I turn on my laptop hoping for better news,(Lampard sacked, new manager, new striker) but each time I read something from the club, I hate hate those parasites more.
No wonder they now place the Arsenal game as high risk -they have upped the ante and declared war on the fans.
What was it Clarkson wanted to do to Markle?
Colin Glassar
7 Posted 18/01/2023 at 07:50:09
Danny, if you are talking about the scenes involving Mina and Gordon then I agree. If you are talking about the entirely peaceful sit-in protest then I have to disagree with you.

Winning and survival will be able to plaster over the cracks for a few months I suppose. But Everton’s decline, under this board, is unstoppable. Without money, direction and a minimum amount of competence next season will be exactly the same, new stadium or no new stadium. This lot need to go.

Tony Abrahams
8 Posted 18/01/2023 at 07:50:34
Results are definitely the issue, because they are badly needed now. If we don’t get results then we are going into the championship, and that’s the whole top and bottom, of it.

For a club of our standards, we have never been a well run under Bill Kenwright, although results obviously helped to push his narrative, that plucky little Everton, were punching well above their weight, and alls that was needed was investment.

Investment came, results got worse, but we all know this…. “So let’s somehow come together like we did last season, because Everton football club, really need to go and start winning some football matches”. “NOW.”

I still can’t believe nobody is pushing for a meeting between some intelligent, passionate, die-hard supporters, and the players and the manager though. It might sound strange to some, but the players really need the fans, and the fans need to explain our frustrations, and hopefully make these players see, that Everton, is more than just a football club, to thousands of loyal and very passionate supporters.

Jerome Shields
9 Posted 18/01/2023 at 07:50:39
What I find so unbelievably bare-faced is the statement that 'the Club will be making no comments regarding historic incidents.' In other words avoiding supplying evidence, being asked questions in person regarding the incident to verify the facts, and more seriously – having to apologise to the fanbase for falsely accusing them of something that did not happen.

Quite frankly, this is typical of how this Club has been managed for years, absolute avoidance of accountability at all levels, and the use of individual scapegoats to escape collective responsibility, the fanbase being treated with utter contempt.

As for Barrett-Baxendale, she didn't escalate it to a criminal matter because it would result in her making a statement which would be investigated and could be found to be false. A Chief Executive Officer of the Club avoiding personnel responsibility, or covering up for someone else in the Club.

As for the “high risk” Everton v Arsenal game, the Club has taken this action itself and informed the Police they have done so. Again, with no evidence – just allegations or an attempt to spin.

This is another attempt at avoidance and spin against the fanbase. A complete attempted self preservation by the Board and total contempt for the fanbase and the Club's reputation.

Sean Roe
10 Posted 18/01/2023 at 08:05:31
It is extremely high risk, we will get absolutely smashed off the park, particularly if Lampard is still in charge.

Oh sorry, I thought it was about the actual game itself

Neil Lawson
11 Posted 18/01/2023 at 08:11:13
Jerome. I am confident that your well presented views accurately reflect those of the overwhelming majority of supporters. The behaviour of the board is cynically calculating and appalling.
Peter Neilson
12 Posted 18/01/2023 at 08:16:01
A supporter was quickly identified and banned at the start of the season for sexual harassment. The measures are in place at the club for dealing with criminal behaviour.


Are we expected to believe a physical assault on our CEO wouldn’t be dealt with in a similarly efficient manner? It’s simply too far fetched.

Maybe Graeme Sharp could turn up at the Arsenal game and share a thermos with Thelwell. Show this up for the BS it is.

Mark Ryan
13 Posted 18/01/2023 at 08:22:01
Sadly they will no doubt refer to players safety being compromised after some were "squared up to and aggressively confronted outside Goodison" blah blah. You can hear Kenwright’s rhetoric.

We need to keep our pressure on the board and not on the players. We, the fans, let ourselves down with that one. Let's not score any more own-goals and I'm not talking about Coady.

And to be clear and transparent I don't mean physical pressure. Not another headlockgate

Darren Hind
14 Posted 18/01/2023 at 09:07:58
Master class from the slippery one,

Creates the situation.
Stokes the flames by releasing bare faced lies about Phantom assault.
Tries to bury bare faced lies.
Escalates the situation for "everyones" safety
Continues to preside over a complete shit show.
Refuses to go even though he knows his departure would stop protest in a heartbeat.

Drags the name of the club’s fans through the mud (again) by stage managing big headlines when an enhanced security could easily be arranged discretely.

Fans should be ashamed of themselves. What a way to treat the greatest Evertonian.

Danny O’Neill
15 Posted 18/01/2023 at 09:08:00
Heads up, I might get a bit dramatic here.

Everton (the football club) are inflaming the situation and further isolating themselves with supporters.

Leadership is about gauging, judging and managing a situation to return it to normal as soon as possible.

I've had bricks thrown at me in Crossmaglen and West Belfast by irate locals who didn't want us to be there. Sangin, Helmand Province wasn't a particularly welcoming place.

But we were there, and even though our presence wasn't wanted, we showed courage and helped the communities to try to improve their situation. Some even swayed and leaned to us for help.

But my point and relation to my analogy. The club needs to face the music and take the flak. They have created the situation, so confront it and do something about it. Don't hide from it, which is what they appear to be doing.

I said it would be a bit dramatic.

Jerome Shields
16 Posted 18/01/2023 at 09:08:43
Danny #5,

Fans protesting is allowed especially after a very important match at which the team was defeated. Happens all the time and since football began. This is heightened by an absence of necessary response by the Club and now by the spin of protest by the Club against the fans in a attempt to avoid responsibility and accountability for their incompetent management, paraphrasing Ian Wright.

It is important to see it as it is. The parties came into football knowing about protest. They are paid huge amounts of money to perform and take criticism from supporters in their thousands, both attending and via the Media. They cannot continue to avoid personnel scrutiny and accountability, be asked questions and respond, as they are doing.

Barry Hesketh
17 Posted 18/01/2023 at 09:27:14
One of the few things that Everton FC and the fans have been proud of down the decades is that the vast majority behave in a decent and dignified manner. That's not to say that there aren't a few loons out there, who don't adhere to those high standards, but the actions of the board, without supplying proof of what they say has happened or might happen, have managed to bring the whole fan-base into disrepute.

There are nearly 3 weeks before the Arsenal match takes place, surely enough time to find out who and where these 'threats' are coming from?

As the season progresses, the games will become more and more important and the normal tensions associated with that will increase, therefore, it could be argued every last remaining fixture will be 'high risk'.

I can't be sure, but maybe the players last Saturday were affected by the news that the safety of board members was at risk, and all of this stoking up of security and specifying the next home fixture as 'high-risk' will also adversely affect the players at least psychologically, remember that many of those players will have family members in attendance.

Everton board find new ways to undermine the football side of the club shocker!

Tony Abrahams
18 Posted 18/01/2023 at 09:28:50
We have identified the problem, and the problem, through his actions, has shown us that he has no respect whatsoever for a very large proportion of the fanbase.

The analogy to describe the difference between love and hate is very simple. If you love someone, you would push them out of the way of a moving bus, even though this meant you was going to get hit yourself.

If you hate someone, and also have no respect for them, then instead of pushing them out of the way, then a lot of people would actually throw that person, under the moving bus, and this is what Everton Football Club, did to its very loyal supporters, on Saturday.

They’ve carried it on, and this was possibly brought on, by the pressure they have created through their own disgraceful actions, because there genuinely shouldn’t have been no mention of the Arsenal fixture, until the West Ham game, was out of the way.

The board now need to be treated with the disdain they deserve, but Everton need to start winning games, so we need to start totally ignoring these self-preserving nepotistic individuals, because it’s clear they have never had our clubs best interests, above their own.

Everton is first and foremost about our football team, and we need to get behind our team now.

Tony Abrahams
19 Posted 18/01/2023 at 09:35:09
Barry, just another example of the “lies that were premeditated” was that the players never got bussed out, after the game. It would have saved a lot of misery, would have saved a handful of teenagers, giving the waiting ‘PR MACHINE’ exactly what they wanted, and it might have even helped to prove that there was a credible threat, or don’t they really care about the players either?

I could write a thousand posts on these liars, but it’s all been said, and needs to be put aside now, because the most important thing about Everton now, is we need to get behind the players, because they have got to go and win us a few games.

Steve Brown
20 Posted 18/01/2023 at 09:42:45
Have this lot been watching too many episodes of 24?

I am beginning to worry that weepy Bill is trying to model himself on Jack Bauer, with DBB as Nina Myers and Sharpie as Tony Almeida.

There is a high risk of the board looking like chumps. Beyond that, suck on a werther's original and calm down.

Jerome Shields
21 Posted 18/01/2023 at 09:42:48

It is a essential part of duty of care of a employee of the Club.Action has to be taken in such circumstances not only because it legal and required to do so, but as a deterrent and to up hold Club standards of required behaviour.If a employee took a action against the Club for non action when proven assault had taken place they would get compensation from the Club.

Peter Neilson
22 Posted 18/01/2023 at 09:56:20
Darren (14) add to your list his almost certain re-writing of history blaming the protests for the team performances. He’s probably drafted it already.
Barry Hesketh
23 Posted 18/01/2023 at 10:04:52
In response to the recent events at Goodison Park, the club has introduced a new kit for the remainder of the season, it will first be worn in the next home fixture.

New Kit

Brian Harrison
24 Posted 18/01/2023 at 10:05:51
As someone said the other day without fans clubs are nothing, so why anyone would try and alienate those fans on such a flimsy story is madness.

Especially as these fans have proved time and time again how valuable they are to the survival of this club.

I did post the other day asking for those brilliant fan groups who arranged those loud and peaceful protests to not persist. And I know everybody got right behind the team from kick off to the final whistle, which is what the protest group said they would do.

But when there is turmoil at the club caused solely by this owner and board, it does seem to become the over riding issue, and right now this team are worse than last season. They obviously wont do the right thing and step down, and I cant see what measures they are going to put in place for the Arsenal game that couldn't have been done for the Southampton game.

Ernie Baywood
25 Posted 18/01/2023 at 10:07:05
I wonder how the players are feeling in all of this?

The Southampton game was high risk. There had allegedly been physical assaults on staff. There were threats against Everton employees allegedly made.

Yet there were no security plans in place for the players who were left to leave the ground on their own. Some with their families.

That would constitute a serious safety issue in any other business. I'd be surprised if it's not being discussed.

Or they didn't see any physical threat hence there was a total lack of security. And it was just an excuse not to attend.

Derek Knox
26 Posted 18/01/2023 at 10:24:12
I am surprised that Graeme Sharp has stayed tight lipped and gone along with this fiasco, I thought he was a fan's favourite, but has gone down in my estimation, that's for sure.
Colin Glassar
27 Posted 18/01/2023 at 10:26:37
Ernie, not condoning in any shape or fashion the yobbos behaviour towards Mina and Gordon I imagine most of them are either sitting at home playing Xbox and checking their bitcoin accounts while others are hiding under their beds trying to avoid their own shadows.

Blame the owner, board, manager, back room staff (justifiably) all you want but it’s the 11 cowards who put the shirt on and crumble at the first sign of resistance who must also shoulder some/a lot of the blame.

I’m sick and tired of watching seasoned, extremely rich players wilt in the face of adversity. Have they no shame? No pride? No balls? As those louts screamed at Gordon, “you’re not fit to wear the shirt”. Disgraceful but true.

Dave Abrahams
28 Posted 18/01/2023 at 10:26:50
Barry (17), with all due respect Barry the performance by the players last Saturday was no different to most of the performances we have watched all season and definitely the same response by the manager and coaches to those performances.
Jim Lloyd
29 Posted 18/01/2023 at 10:32:13
He has dragged Everton Football Club's name and it's supporters reputation, right through the murkiest ditch of mire possible. I don't see how this man dare to anything; but stay away and hide his head in shame.
In many situations and relationships, some repairs are all that's needed to bring about a healing process. Kenwright's actions can't!

How can this disgusting slight to the Club's history, it's reputation as one of the Leagues founding clubs, and to its supporters, many thousands of us, be dragged through the mud like this, and then just be expected to look as though nothing as happened, when the next match not deemed "High Risk" take place?

I think many Evertonians suopported the asit showing our lack of faith in this board (and now it's credibility) getting this club back to where it belongs.

It's likely that many Evertonians now, will want to show this horrible, self loving man, just what they think of what he has done to our club.

The man who is responsible now for taking action to repair the damage is
Farhad Moshiri.
If he backs the Board and especially the Chairman, then he has lost his own credibility (not that he sees the situation as we do) He most likely should join Kenwright for saying we sacked and chose managers!

A number have said it, and its dead right, we should back our team, and our manager, unless the manager's job is put up for a vacancy. We can't just ever, lety this snidy bastard ruin our club any longer and Moshiri needs to take an active interest in this club, or sell it.

Dave Abrahams
30 Posted 18/01/2023 at 10:32:49
Derek (26), Derek I’m surprised you’re surprised at Graeme Sharp’s behaviour, he’s been a puppet of Kenwright for quite a long time, the only words he’d use would have come out of his master’s voice.
Simon Harrison
31 Posted 18/01/2023 at 10:45:49
Barry [23] Is that for the players or the board..?
Colin Glassar
32 Posted 18/01/2023 at 10:46:44
More like a cardboard cutout, Dave.
Derek Knox
33 Posted 18/01/2023 at 10:46:50
You are right Dave A, I should have realised he (Sharp) had his tongue firmly implanted in their anal cleavages.
Michael Boardman
34 Posted 18/01/2023 at 10:49:22
Wonder why Tim Cahill was never brought in? Alongside Rats, Nev and Stubbsy, amongst others, he would never have stood for this. Can you imagine the RS putting up with this? Klopp was a goner if they got beat last night apparently (probably not though)
Christopher Timmins
35 Posted 18/01/2023 at 10:54:12
The first casualty in any war is the truth. It looks as if this war between owner/management and supporters will follow this path.
Joe McMahon
36 Posted 18/01/2023 at 10:54:18
Derek@26, Sharp has been sat on Bill's knee for years. A few years ago I was sat next to Greame in one of the suites at Goodison. I asked him an honest question about the low scoring brand of football (Moyes era), he looking at me and turned away choosing not to answer.
Pat Kelly
37 Posted 18/01/2023 at 10:56:38
The owner, whoever it is, wants out. The prospect of an investor, rather than an outright sale, now seems remote.

The Board, such as it is, is in it's dying days. DBB was allegedly looking for another job some time ago. Kenwright is no longer fit in a number of respects. They have presided of the slow demise of the Club and thrown the fans under the proverbial bus. They can no longer show their faces at Goodison. We may well have seen the last of them.

Lampard is hanging by a thread.

The squad is threadbare and no longer fit for purpose.

The financial situation is dire.

It can't go on like this much longer.

Relegation, sale and rebirth almost seems welcome.

Mark Taylor
38 Posted 18/01/2023 at 11:01:22
First comment on this but given the club officially announced directors would not be attending due to safety threats then unofficially leaked that part of the reason was that a fan put the CEO in an armlock, thus creating a media storm that effectively branded EFC supporters as thugs, how in hell can the matter be deemed to be 'resolved' without a thorough investigation of the veracity of the claims?

Having got through 6 managers in as many years and several directors of football, might it be possible that the board is running out of people to blame for our plight?

Peter Carpenter
40 Posted 18/01/2023 at 11:04:58
All round to Bill's to listen to the Arsenal game on his wireless then.
Peter Hodgson
41 Posted 18/01/2023 at 11:06:48
Darran @ 14

You got it in one and summed up the situation in the first line of your post but explained it in more accurate detail later.

The slippery one as you described him, has offered up just another one of his deflection lies to the media, who will buy the crap they think will sell 'news' and run with it, lies of no lies they don't care.

The Arsenal game will be 'high risk' being the next installment in duping as many people as possible into ignoring the Chairman and the Boards culpability for the current demise of the Club. A certain number of fans can be blamed but those who are involved in such actions are a minority. The majority have Evertons best interests at heart and are no risk to anyone.

I'm sure the Agenda he has won't take any regard of what happens on the pitch. good or bad (the worse it is the better), as long as it persuades Moshiri to sell his shares (at a loss) to a saviour who knows all about the Club.

Game over and back to the good old days. NOT FROM WHERE I AM SITTING.

Rob Halligan
42 Posted 18/01/2023 at 11:16:14
We, as fans, should collectively hire a lawyer, and sue the board for defamation of character. Seeing as we don’t know the alleged perpetrator of this crime on DBB, then we can only assume they mean all of us! I’m guessing it’s both a slanderous comment, and a libel comment, as it’s been spoken by the board and also written in the press. Also sue the BBC, as their employees also degraded us, albeit Ian Wright has since apologised, but nothing as yet, from Lineker. Sue Talksport because they’re shite. In fact SUE EVERYONE!
Dave Abrahams
43 Posted 18/01/2023 at 11:19:12
Michael (34),Ichael are you sure about Tim Cahill? He along with Moyes and Jagielka appeared on a notice telling us how good the move to Kirkby would be if it came off !!
Mark Ryan
44 Posted 18/01/2023 at 11:21:15
Still no statement from DBB reaching out to the fans to build bridges
No statement about player recruitment to appease our concerns.
Nothing official backing Frank
Nothing about unity as a club
The press officer wants sacking
The silence is deafening


Bill Fairfield
45 Posted 18/01/2023 at 11:33:31
Moyes on the brink at West Ham. He won’t be out of work very long.
Colin Glassar
46 Posted 18/01/2023 at 11:47:05
Rob, I raised the same point a few days ago. The entire fan base has been tarnished by these allegations. This is libel, slander and character assassination. Unless they can produce evidence then surely they are on thin ice, legally?

We have loads of self-appointed financial experts on here. Any lawyers (real or imagined) ?

Bill, I’m sure moyes can put his perfect Spanish to good use. Tour guide in Torremolinos?

Ian Bennett
47 Posted 18/01/2023 at 11:48:22
No changes until after West Ham.

No signings, no new manager, and nothing from the board.

Radio silence, a sleep at the wheel.

James Hughes
48 Posted 18/01/2023 at 12:01:30
I have jsut watched the Ian Wright apology and he is mortified that he has been taken in. At least he has the balls to say it
Barry Rathbone
49 Posted 18/01/2023 at 12:06:08
The trouble with protest is it needs a clever leader espousing specific detail effectively and calmly - see Mick Lynch in the railway dispute.

I have no idea what protestors want beyond the gormless "sack the board" chant because of a complete absence of the above.

Never underestimate your enemy BK and the rest are NOT idiots. Presenting an open goal via headcases chasing players in cars and/or jostling members of the board with umpteen email and social media threats is a lost cause from the get go.

If the protest is to go beyond wailing and hand wringing (which I don't think is possible) those involved need to up their game. They're playing absolutely shite at the mo

Jim Lloyd
50 Posted 18/01/2023 at 12:06:17
Tony (8) You are right, lad. If it cvould be done, then it should be. No matter how poor some might think the team are, or the manager, Thery're all we've got and it's likey they are going to wonder if we will turn on them, so basically, their morale is down in the dumps. I know they're professionals,. but they need us...and we need them.
Alex Gray
51 Posted 18/01/2023 at 12:18:01
Theres a simple way to protest for me. Dont go the game. The nerve of people blaming the fans who have paid thousands over the years to have an owner who cant even be bothered to come to a game is insulting.

It’s prime tory tactics and there is nothing about this club that resembles the Everton that I love and grew up with.

No incomings, no style of play and literally no optimism about the rest of the season. Then to be blamed for this mess is the final straw.

Andrew Ellams
52 Posted 18/01/2023 at 12:18:14
Colin @ 46, what happened to Steve Ferns? He is a lawyer is he not?
Jim Lloyd
53 Posted 18/01/2023 at 12:30:18
Alex (51)If we don't go the game, how do the team gee themselves up for the coming matches. Whatever help we can give them, to keep us from relegation might help their morale.
Especially with TV,world coverage by the media. Opposing fans, and more importantly, their team, getting a massive boost for in fact, being the away team becoming the home team.
Christine Foster
54 Posted 18/01/2023 at 12:34:39
Let's be honest, after publicly backing the board a week or so ago Moshiri is not going to weild an axe. So what's the likely way forward?

Moshiri can't do nothing. No matter what Kenwright is whispering into his ear, he must realize what this man has doneto his investment. If he does nothing he is made to look a fool and is tarnished by the same brush as the board as well as significantly reducing potential returns.

DBB resigns or there is a restructure within the club and she is moved back to Eitc.

Sharp and Thewell remain on the board in current roles.

Kenwright steps down for "health" reasons which of course he has informed us all about. An interim chair is appointed with the task of reviewing the operational management of the club.

Moshiri really has no choice, from a PR standpoint, it's the best option he has other than a direct and immediate sale of the club!

Dave Lynch
55 Posted 18/01/2023 at 12:42:35
Nothing is going to change at the club imminently.

I've a feeling something is on the horizon that the club is not divulging, whether thats a takeover or financial constraints, even a winding up order because we're bankrupt I don't know.

But something is not right.

Jim Lloyd
56 Posted 18/01/2023 at 13:02:12
That would be the sensible option Christine. I think, though, that Kenwright and Moshiri don't know what to do
Kenwright, for all his self love and can fool everyone attitude, I think knows now that he's shot his bolt. I don;t see how even this arrogant man, can think that he's wanted at Goodison any more. He's fooled a lot of people for a lot of years, so he might just think he can do it again. I think he'll very soon find out that he can't!

As for Moshiri, he might be a top Accountant and run a nice quiet business enterprise for his boss. But this situation now? Instead of seeking advice (well, might have, but it was the wrong advice if he did) He came out with a written statement stating that it was us who influenced his sackings and acquiring of managers.
I'm not sure he knows what to do, so I think he'll keep Kenwright around to give him advice...poor fool.

I've a feeling tha Dave Lynch is near the mark in his post

Ray Jacques
57 Posted 18/01/2023 at 13:03:00
We've got the best supporters on any football ground, as long as theyre behind us we'll never let them down

Well this board has blown that one out of the window along with NSNO.

Eddie Dunn
58 Posted 18/01/2023 at 13:10:07
Chritine, if Kenwright was playing the "long " game, then I would expect two incoming transfers and a possible managerial change.

These would deflect criticism of the board and owner and fans would refocus on what is happening on the park.

So radio silence until the anger dies down followed by some signs of action(transfers) may be what he is planning.

Then either Frank gets a win at West Ham or they get a new coach.

All before the next home game.

Of course, this all depends upon whether we have any money to spend or whether we need to sell first, or whether we can get anyone decent on loan.

If we had money, I would have expected Lampard to have been sacked already and one or two new faces settling-in along with the new manager.

Like others, I think the lack of activity must mean either we are skint or that the club is about to announce that it is being bought.

Something is definitely not right backstage.

Dave Lynch
59 Posted 18/01/2023 at 13:17:54
You can't subjugate the fan base and expect them to accept it.

Sooner or later they will see through the smoke and mirrors, I've said it several times, they need us more than we need them, without fans there is no club.

Peter Neilson
60 Posted 18/01/2023 at 13:18:48
Maybe the board could use the next game to ask West Ham what measures they took in 2018 after their far worse scenes of dissent. Firstly how they managed to capture it on film and secondly how their board managed to attend every subsequent home game. I’m sure this would be humbling as usually it’s other clubs asking “what would Everton do?” but needs must.
Terence Connell
61 Posted 18/01/2023 at 13:20:19
Perhaps it’s time for a Kenwright theatrical revival of Carry on Everton with Sid James as Bill Kenwright (obvs), Barbara Windsor as the CEO, Jim Dale as Frank. Usmanov would be played by Terry Scott or maybe Hattie Jacques, Marcel Brands by Frankie Howard, Rafa by Bernard Cribbins and Klopp by Leslie Phillips. It would be a revival of course because these actors are no longer with us.
Terence Connell
62 Posted 18/01/2023 at 13:22:43
I forgot Moshiri - perhaps Windsor Davies.
Dave Lynch
63 Posted 18/01/2023 at 13:27:21
Trouble is Terry... most of those actors, like our football club are dead.
Raymond Fox
64 Posted 18/01/2023 at 13:29:37
The most important thing at the moment with the new stadium being built is that we stay in the Premiership. Like it or not all this upheaval is not helping us to get winning results.

There's no doubt that the club is in a mess from top to bottom and while I havn't been a Bill Kenwright hater the best thing for the club and himself would be to resign as from now.

The new stadium is the elephant in the room, if we do go down where financially does that leave Moshiri and the club-who knows- thats my biggest fear.

Jonathan Tasker
65 Posted 18/01/2023 at 13:32:20
Nothing will change until Kenwright dies
Colin Glassar
66 Posted 18/01/2023 at 13:36:10
Andrew 52, could be. He deffo sounded like Marco Silva’s agent.
Andy Duff
67 Posted 18/01/2023 at 13:48:00
This petition has been started to send a message to the board, whilst it's not binding the more that sign the bigger the message


Will Mabon
68 Posted 18/01/2023 at 13:52:43
Dave @ 55,

I agree. I'm beginning to suspect outside or wider influence here toward something unpleasant.

If we say the initial stage was an "error", sleight of hand or incompetence then there has been too much apparent continuation of such in the correction/clean up.

Hundreds of millions at stake here, a potential disaster with the new stadium. The whole image and perception of an institution of over a century in standing being torn apart in full view, and this is the quality of response?

The "clumsy uncle" tactic is an angle beloved of governments and corporations when it suits but it only goes so far.

Something not right indeed.

Will Mabon
69 Posted 18/01/2023 at 13:54:41
Andrew @ 52,

I was told by another poster here that Steve Ferns is still active on twitter.

Kim Vivian
70 Posted 18/01/2023 at 13:57:21
Slightly off topic but prompted by Raymond's comment at 64, as a matter of interest, and forgive my possible ignorance, why would relegation jeopardise the ongoing development of Bramley Moore?

I appreciate it would be part of the assets of any takeover/investment bid but It is not being funded by income derived from the club activities as we just seem to accrue losses - it is surely a development project of Moshiri personally using whatever vehicle he has set up to do it. I guess the smell of Usamov would be lingering around somewhere but nothing has been mooted as far as I know with regard to his possible connection and the sanctions and so on. So it is all a bit woolly in my mind.

I can't see that relegation would cause the project to grind to a halt and whilst I appreciate that eventually Moshiri is inevitably going to take an almighty hit with the club, he ain't going to be seen down the food banks any time soon.

Dave Abrahams
71 Posted 18/01/2023 at 13:57:42
Dave (55), “ But something is not right”

Dave I think the photo at the top of this thread confirms that.

Kim Vivian
72 Posted 18/01/2023 at 14:04:44
Dave I'd love to see some speech/thought bubbles added to that photo. There are some wags on here who could brighten our moods.
Rob Halligan
73 Posted 18/01/2023 at 14:10:51
Colin # 46 & Andrew # 52. There is a lawyer who does write on here, although I haven’t seen him on here for a few months now. It’s someone I knew from school. I don’t want to give his name out on here though, but you never know, he might still be lurking around and maybe suddenly re-appear, having read all of this.
Bob Carlton
74 Posted 18/01/2023 at 14:18:18

I believe the Everton Football Club Shareholders' Association petition should be given more prominence on the site.

Derek Knox
75 Posted 18/01/2023 at 14:18:46
Rob @ 73, Perry Mason, Rumpold of the Bailey, oh, none of those ?

Better Call Saul ! :-)

Jim Lloyd
76 Posted 18/01/2023 at 14:19:17
Andy at (67) ahsd put a link into an EFC shareholder exec committee, asking sghareholders would they sign it. evidently they need a 1000 signatures to present it to the Board (I think!) Anyway, it's brilliant to read the reasons that shareholders have signed. Long term shareholders showing their opposition to what's happening to our club. Excellent, around 500 have signed so far.
Kieran Kinsella
77 Posted 18/01/2023 at 14:22:16

Hahah you nailed the casting

Nick Page
78 Posted 18/01/2023 at 14:24:49
I signed that petition. Suggest everyone else does. Thanks Andy @67

Did you put it on Twitter also?

Colin Glassar
79 Posted 18/01/2023 at 14:36:10
Lo and behold, a stadium update. I am surprised to say the least.
Nick Page
80 Posted 18/01/2023 at 14:36:12
Looks like they’re trying to weed out any protestors now with threats. Straight out of the CCP playbook. Everybody has a right to (peaceful!) protest and legally, you can turn this against them. They don’t want court cases as it’s bad PR.


Raymond Fox
81 Posted 18/01/2023 at 14:40:37
Kim 70, I thought I read that Moshiri was fishing around for outside investment in the stadium which he now says will cost £760m.
Relegation if it happens could not have come at a worst time obviously and like all other aspects of the club its anybody's guess if he would want to stick or twist.

I've no doubt the stadium will be finished but who will own the club by then I wouldn't hazard a guess.

Clive Rogers
82 Posted 18/01/2023 at 14:40:41
Kim, 70, Moshiri has been looking for investment to finish the ground. That is probably connected to the cost going up to £760M. If the club drop into the championship income would drop massively, particularly tv money, but all incomes really. He obviously is reluctant to put more of his own money in. Any investors would be concerned about getting their money back plus interest.
Ian Hollingworth
83 Posted 18/01/2023 at 14:43:23
Bob @ 74 I agree and here is the link for people to sign


Ian Hollingworth
84 Posted 18/01/2023 at 14:44:35
Sorry, just noticed link already posted earlier
Tom Bowers
85 Posted 18/01/2023 at 14:53:07
High risk all around just like every game they cannot get a point in and sink lower in the league.

Any chance the board have woken up yet and put in a realistic bid for some quality players ??

Nick Page
86 Posted 18/01/2023 at 14:53:54
A link to Colm K’s thread (nice addition to Colin F’s TW tome from 2010). Well worth a read.


Colin Glassar
87 Posted 18/01/2023 at 14:55:10
Good for the EFCSA for calling for the board to resign. I wish Alan Myers and his dog all the luck in the world. Oh, and I believe Rob Halligan is the other paid up member of this group.
Gerry Quinn
88 Posted 18/01/2023 at 14:55:54
Jonathan (65) - that is an extremely disgusting and dangerous statement to make, no matter how much you dislike him!
Brian Williams
89 Posted 18/01/2023 at 14:56:32

Not the stadium update they "should" be giving. I guess they're not completely stupid. They'll do what politicians do and wait for a good news day and slip it in then. Thing is there'll be no good news day any time soon. And I wouldn't hold my breath for signings, not when the manager's being backed simply because the club can't afford to sack him.

Danny O’Neill
90 Posted 18/01/2023 at 14:59:56
When Saturday comes, I will meet with friends I've acquainted through this website, others through life experiences and with family. And we will all get behind the team as we always do.

These false people in grey jackets, hiding in the corridors aren't taking my Everton away from me. They never will. We won't let them.

I'm gradually going into match day mode as Saturday approaches.

That doesn't and won't distract from what they've done to us this past week and like a good Liverpool mother, won't be forgotten or forgiven easily. Big mistake.

They are my Everton. Our Everton. Not yours. Never will be.

Dave Lynch
91 Posted 18/01/2023 at 15:02:36
If that statement was indeed put out by the club then what microscopic chance they had of getting the fans back on board has vanished.

That surely must be a wind up...if anyone's season ticket is revoked for having an opinion then the law courts await.

Nick Page
92 Posted 18/01/2023 at 15:08:49
Exactly Dave @91 but they’ve done it before. Pyongyang FC and Bill Ken Rong Un couldn’t give a fuck about the fans. That much is clear.

Let’s get the Cessna out for a fly by at the Arsenal game.

Barry Hesketh
93 Posted 18/01/2023 at 15:12:55
I've read the tweet on WatchedToffee's account, he doesn't expand on what directive has been made, who it affects and who made it - I imagine that anything akin to taking action against protestors, will be restricted to people who are employed by the club, but we'll wait and see what transpires.
Dan Parker
94 Posted 18/01/2023 at 15:15:08
The board has burned its bridges over the last week and lost what little good faith they had left from the more patient side of the fanbase. How we also weren’t ready to get a striker or two in as soon as the window opened, and whilst not in the bottom 3 is a dereliction of duty. Our scouting is rubbish.
Dave Lynch
95 Posted 18/01/2023 at 15:17:02
They already have taken it away.
They've stripped the club of all integrity, we are a laughing stock in the football community, we are bereft of any pride and worst of all they have blackened the very name of fans who have followed them through the worst 2 decades in our existence.
Do you honestly for 1 minute think they actually give a flying fuck what you, me or anyone thinks.
The board are pariah's to the fans and vice versa.
Joe McMahon
96 Posted 18/01/2023 at 15:19:57
Dan@94, absolutely spot on. For a team that doesn't score goals and that has a history of non scoring strikers, it was paramount.we have had two strikers since Lineker (37 years ago) that have notched over 30 league goals in a season. Yak and Lukaku. Tony Cottee came close, but that's it.
Dave Lynch
97 Posted 18/01/2023 at 15:20:34
Surely if it was aimed at club employees it would have remained in-house?
Barry Hesketh
98 Posted 18/01/2023 at 15:27:27
Dave @97
It is still only a message that has appeared on Twitter, if there is actually an official memo or such warning employees as to what the consequences are of such and such an action, it would be very difficult to keep it quiet, wouldn't it?. As I said before, we'll have to wait and see what transpires.

Frank Crewe
99 Posted 18/01/2023 at 15:32:17
The only people getting attacked and battered that day will be Everton's players. But they'll have a good description of the perps. There was 11 of them and they were all wearing red shirts and white shorts.
Frank Crewe
100 Posted 18/01/2023 at 15:32:17
The only people getting attacked and battered that day will be Everton's players. But they'll have a good description of the perps. There was 11 of them and they were all wearing red shirts ans white shorts.
Jay Harris
101 Posted 18/01/2023 at 15:40:37


Anyway TRUST the only magician we have at the club to turn this into a headlock by disgruntled vermin on the streets if there is any truth in it.

Christine you are totally correct that in a normal company they would be obliged to resign but BK has the skin of a rhinoceros and will do anything to remain in control and advise other clubs how to run their club such is his ego,

The only good thing to come of this seems to be those that believed Kenwright "saved our club" are now beginning to realise what sort of person (not man) he is.

Rennie Smith
102 Posted 18/01/2023 at 15:40:41
It all stinks, the allegations, the supposed threats, it seems like they're scrabbling around trying to paint a victim picture with the media. There clearly is no way back between us, how sad that it's got to this.
Dan Parker
103 Posted 18/01/2023 at 15:43:06
Aye Joe, and remember back in the day when King Kev paired up with Franny Jeffers. DCL and Richarlison never quite clicker together but we came close to something decent there. It’s all turned to dust. Brands legacy in terms of youth pipeline is shocking too. Out-thought by small well-run championship teams now competing in the top half of the table.
Anthony A Hughes
104 Posted 18/01/2023 at 15:55:51
I think that Fat Lady is about to break into song.
Mark Ryan
105 Posted 18/01/2023 at 15:56:02
Will the board attend ?
What will be written in their match day programme about this ?
Will someone from the club clear the air about headlockgate before then ?
They need to because otherwise the atmosphere will simply worsen for them. Falling apart. They need to reach out, bring some players in and allow us all to get back to talking about wins, about goals, about the next game.
This is currently Fred Carnos
Rennie Smith
106 Posted 18/01/2023 at 15:56:12
I've never bought into the theory about Blue Bill being a leach and only in it for the money or ego (I'm happy and sad to be proved wrong by the way). I think he's just been blind to the modernisation of the game and its clubs.

I'm sure he constantly reminisces about the days when the league scores were shown using letters and numbers on the side of the pitch. He hates his club becoming a corporate machine, but those blinkers means we're like the Woolworths of the football world.

So I have a bit of sympathy as I also don't want my beloved club turned into some soulless enterprise, but do realise we have to change or we'll have nothing to hang on to.

Eric Haworth
107 Posted 18/01/2023 at 16:01:51
Bob #74 Fully endorse that suggestion. It’s now taken on a life of its own, over 2,000 signatures in 3 hours, every True Blue should sign it.
Dale Self
108 Posted 18/01/2023 at 16:03:30
Don't sue but have a legal mind issue a public statement on behalf of the fans expressing disappointment regarding the reckless language used by Moshiri and his bloated hunchback.

In that letter, after making concerns for the club's image the emphasis, then introduce a request for more specifics with respect to the alleged incident. Make sure the police are included so that, if they refuse to respond, their urgency will be revealed as dramarama.

Then, if it gets shitty, put up a Joseph Technicolor Flak Jacket on eBay and everyone bid that thing to infinity and go find some journalists who would like to have some fun with it.

Dan Parker
109 Posted 18/01/2023 at 16:03:34
That's an excellent take, Rennie. It's like having granddad in charge of a multi-national company.
Ed Prytherch
110 Posted 18/01/2023 at 16:20:56
By staying away, the scumbags are doing the fans a favour.

Kenwright has only been concerned about making money from the club. Now his shareholding is next to nowt, his biggest potential loss is his 2 million/year "salary", so his attitude is "fuck you".

My biggest concern is that some of Moshiri's money is still in the form of a loan which may enable him to force Everton into administration if things don't go his way.

Derek Taylor
111 Posted 18/01/2023 at 16:21:11
What a sorry state of affairs. Real or imagined, the threat to Chairman and Board Members will undoubtedly see them retreat to one of the private boxes — re-fitted with re-enforced glass and guarded by a couple of 'heavies'!

Be that as it may, and useless as we believe them to be, we do have a duty to look after 'our own' with no need for them to be a-feared for their own safety when amongst us!

Robert Williams
112 Posted 18/01/2023 at 16:21:16
TC 61 I believe his new production will be "What a Carry On at Everton' - or 'Fans in a Mousetrap'.
Dave Lynch
113 Posted 18/01/2023 at 16:23:25
You're right, Dan.

And a grandad with a hearing problem who suffers with age related memory loss and wears glasses like the bottom of steri bottles... (younger readers, ask your grandparents).

Dan Parker
114 Posted 18/01/2023 at 16:29:06
No comb-over though Dave ha. Don’t panic Mr Manwaring!
Matthew Williams
115 Posted 18/01/2023 at 16:31:13
Our board are simply beyond contempt... they simply shame our once-great club, they show our fans no respect, they show no backbone.

No type of plans or any kind of desire to win trophies. I honestly believe either the new ground will turn our fortunes round or just throw yet more money at problems.

A total shower of shite.

Robert Williams
116 Posted 18/01/2023 at 16:39:17
RS 106 - those comments gave me a severe attack of indigestion - someone pass me the Rennies for FS.
Barry Hesketh
117 Posted 18/01/2023 at 16:40:09
Bob @120

Thanks for the reply, I'm not familiar with the Mail's journalists, and you're correct – the club's hierarchy are losing the PR battle.

Andy Crooks
119 Posted 18/01/2023 at 16:41:06
Will @ 69,

I just asked Steve earlier today to post his thoughts on the site. He's as gutted as all of us. Have to say, though, Marco Silva has cheered him up a bit. Come on, Steve!

John Gall
120 Posted 18/01/2023 at 16:41:47
Everyone says the same thing in these threads. Why this obsession with Kenwright 'just making more money'?

He's already rich, and an old man in poor health. He will be thinking more about legacy than greater enrichment.

His involvement with, and influence, on the club increasingly look flawed, but his mistakes have not been borne of malice or personal greed, but rather based on misjudging the qualities of other people – namely the many many terrible signings, management appointments and allowing Moshiri in as majority shareholder.

He doesn't know enough about football – a common failing in the football world as a glance around most other clubs would show you.

So if fans bore in mind that he is not a Murdoch, or a Trump, he is a fallible human being who has, largely, been motivated by a desire to get Everton back up there, or at the very least stable and untroubled.

From our current perspective, it is looking like he has largely failed. But if the scallies could reign it in a bit and try and see the bigger picture, they might not be so inclined to want to grab people by the throat.

Andy Crooks
121 Posted 18/01/2023 at 16:43:54
Ah, a response from the board at last.
Robert Williams
122 Posted 18/01/2023 at 16:47:11
To my mind, Bill Kenwright is not just about Money. He is all about Image and more than that, about Power. Something he never ever felt when he was being harassed in the Boys Pen.

It's called the Little Man's Revenge.

Brian Harrison
124 Posted 18/01/2023 at 16:55:30
While the protests are understandable, and even more so since the unbelievable claim of the board fearing for their safety, I am afraid they are futile.

The man who owns 94% of the club hasn't even attended a game for 14 months, and I have yet to see a fan protest be successful, especially a protest about an owner of a Premier League club.

Liverpool fans protested against Hicks & Gillette but it was the bank who threatened to put them into liquidation if they didn't sell that caused them to sell – not the protests of their fans.

Man Utd fans have been protesting about the Glazers for a decade or more but they didn't walk away or sell up until it suited them, which looks to be happening shortly.

Newcastle fans, the same with Ashley, but he only left when he got an offer he couldn't refuse.

Arsenal fans wanted Kronke out of their club and that got nowhere, and with Arteta doing so well, I doubt we will hear anything from the Arsenal fans for a while.

Strangely the fans at these clubs have complained that these owners are not investing but that can't be said for Moshiri. Just to be clear, I don't think Moshiri is the right owner because he has clearly demonstrated that he hasn't been involved in what direction the club should have taken. He has just thrown a shed full of money at the problem and that hasn't worked.

I worry about how the protests will be viewed by potential owners; they see a man who has put in excess of £500 million into a club and is in the process of building an iconic stadium on the banks of the Mersey, something every Everton fan has wanted. Yet we want him gone.

I have no idea how much revenue is needed to finish the stadium and where that money will come from. While he has put in at least £100 million just to fill in the old dock, and I don't know how much the build so far he has funded, or if he is prepared to finance the rest of the build.

Rennie Smith
125 Posted 18/01/2023 at 16:58:47
Very good, Robert, you must be very proud.

You're right John, far too many people on here spout bile against the man without completely understanding who he is and what he stands for.

I'm not supporting him, he's no longer a fit for his role, but some of the stuff is too extreme.

Ray Roche
126 Posted 18/01/2023 at 17:02:56
John Gall,

'He is a fallible human being'?

He's also a liar, incompetent and happy to see the fans suffer dog's abuse in the press, providing he's not harmed, and I mean not physically, but his image as the 'World's Greatest Evertonian'...

You seem to forget Samuelson, Kings Dock, Destination Kirkby, the Bedsit Boy etc, etc.

Incidentally, Kenwright also claimed that Tommy Steele, himself and Elvis Presley went for a sight seeing tour of London. Years later Steele confirmed this, but as he was a regular in Kenwright productions he may have had a vested interest in backing up Kenwright's fantasy.

I think it's nigh on impossible for the most famous pop star in the world, Presley, and Britain's biggest star (at the time) to have wandered round London unseen, unmolested, and unrecorded. And Kenwright took decades before he made it up. Sorry, made it known. He's a fantasist.

Barry Hesketh
127 Posted 18/01/2023 at 17:06:51
Bill Kenwright, Denise and the others could be the best in the business but, whatever it is they've tried to do, it hasn't worked and it isn't working, they only deal in soundbites and communicate with the supporters when they are trying to sell tickets or merchandise.

The owner and the board have bet everything on the new stadium being the game-changer for the club. People said at the outset, that it would take a lot more than that to alter Everton's trajectory and even now, nobody is sure how the stadium will be funded in the crucial latter stages of its build.

It might be argued that the stadium project, similarly to Everton in the Community, gave the board members the feeling that the club was progressive and ready to meet the challenges of the 21st Century; however, the bread-and-butter matters, such as the first team, have been woefully neglected and that is why the club is in such turmoil today.

Michael Lynch
128 Posted 18/01/2023 at 17:09:49
John and Rennie, I agree, Bill is no Glazer or Mike Ashley, he genuinely is one of us. Sure, he's a rich, arrogant, egotistical one of us but you don't get as successful as him by being a shrinking violet.

Having said that, he does need to step aside, but finding replacements for him and Barrett-Baxendale is easier said than done. Especially when the owner is so clueless.

But as Brian says, Moshiri has put half a billion quid into the club and is now building us a spanking new stadium. He's a plank, but he can't be accused of not fully funding the club.

Kenwright's main flaw has been his desire to be Mr Everton, at the expense of the best interests of the club at times.

Sam Fitzsimmons
129 Posted 18/01/2023 at 17:11:22

You absolutely nailed it.

John Gall
130 Posted 18/01/2023 at 17:19:33
I agree with Michael @136. He has tried to cultivate the whole Mr Everton bit and it's wound people up.

I'm sure he now knows it's the end of the road but, once again, he dithers, no doubt trying to put together this broken jigsaw into something vaguely coherent.

My fear – he goes, and then the wheels really do come off... Better the devil you know?

Mal van Schaick
131 Posted 18/01/2023 at 17:24:07
High risk of Everton not getting any points from the game. So sad.
Jay Harris
132 Posted 18/01/2023 at 17:28:27
Those defending Kenwrights character need to get real.

He screwed the club he is supposed to love out of £20M.

He stabbed his lifelong friend (Paul Gregg) in the back with a litany of lies and deceit which caused us to miss out on Kings Dock.

He told lies about the stadium falling down and not being able to pass a safety test in the interests of him and his pal Terry Leahy

He milked the club of millions through dubious interests in the British Virgin Isles and his associates Green and Earl.

He pocketed over £20M for shares he never paid for.

He did not put one penny of his own money into the club.

And for those who say he remortgaged his house — that was proven to be a total lie.

You poor deluded people if you think he is not evil.

Ian Pilkington
133 Posted 18/01/2023 at 17:29:56
After John Gall's ludicrous defence of Kenwright, we now have Michael Lynch spouting “he genuinely is one of us”.

I naively thought that we had heard the last of that oft-repeated but utterly pathetic excuse for the charlatan.

Joe McMahon
134 Posted 18/01/2023 at 17:30:23
John and Michael@ 136 & 139. Are you serious? Next you'll be saying "Be carefull what you wish for"!

I don't care about the "He's one of us" shit. First and foremost, he is a Liar, and a Bullshitter. He's held us back and is a complete arsehole.

The King's Dock failure alone has put us in the dire situation we are in now. I just hope you've both enjoyed the ride of these non-stop "Good Times"…

Can you not see Bill is the problem and always has been? We are all frustrated, hurt and angry. The world's greatest Evertonian is the cause.

Jim Lloyd
136 Posted 18/01/2023 at 17:41:54
Too right, Jay. We could have been playing in a world class stadium 20 years ago. Totally agree with your whole post.
Nick Page
137 Posted 18/01/2023 at 17:42:41
Hahaha you have to laugh – people still sticking up for Kenwright. Absolutely unreal. He'd come and piss in your garden and you'd still think he was trying to do the right thing.

The right thing was leaving the club in the hands of professionals many years ago rather than his handpicked mates so he could carry on schmoozing the great and good in the Directors Box, all whilst hogging the media limelight.

He's a parasite. He doesn't care about you and he's never cared about you. He cares about No 1. Get over it. Everton Football Club does not live and die by Bill Kenwright – contrary to what he believes. There are plenty of people that can do this job, far far far better than a 77-year-old theatre impresario, and his sidekick – a glorified teacher.

Here are some examples of other PL club boards, vs what we have (a complete joke).


David Currie
138 Posted 18/01/2023 at 17:47:28
Nick 147,

Spot on, is it also true that our Board are the second-highest paid in the Premier League?

Bob Carlton
139 Posted 18/01/2023 at 17:47:58
Everyone has a right to their own opinion.

But "My fear – he (Kenwright) goes, and then the wheels really do come off...".

We have been rudderless and without wheels for some considerable time.

4,000 and counting!!!

Nick Page
140 Posted 18/01/2023 at 17:49:21
Joe @143 - incredible aren't they.

These are the people that have enabled Bill to keep his job for so long and in doing so have helped bring the club to its knees. I blame them as much as him. They should be ashamed but they're too stupid or ignorant to understand that.

Jim Lloyd
141 Posted 18/01/2023 at 17:50:00
"One of us!" He's a self aggrandising chameleon masquerading as and Evertonian.

He has milked this club while pretending he mortgaged his house to buy EFC. All the palaver that he's used to try and get his way, as Jay Harris has just summarised, omits him from having the privilege of being One of Us.

John Gall
142 Posted 18/01/2023 at 17:50:15
I've said it before – see the bigger picture.

Everton have been on the slide since 1970. Apart from the three Kendall years and the '95 FA Cup, we have largely been little more than mediocre, and have flirted with relegation on a few occasions. That's 49 years of nothingness.

That is not all down to Bill Kenwright. I remember seeing John Moores getting abuse and notes pinned under his car's windscreen wiper after a 0-0 draw against Arsenal in 1976 "What's wrong with this club? Get Bingham out!" they screamed at him. Poor little feller looked like he was going to crap himself.

We have had the cruel misfortune to share a city with a ruthless club in the ascendancy that has won everything time and again. The more we try and compete, the more we slip away. There's a huge psychological scar which has simply deepened over the decades, leaving the club a basket-case.

Kenwright has proved incapable of the necessary therapy, but I genuinely feel the problems are so deep-set and so long-standing, I'm not sure there's anyone up to the job.

Jim Lloyd
143 Posted 18/01/2023 at 17:53:43
No, he's not been responsible for the last 49 years. But the last disastrous Quarter Century, and more, is exclusivly his own to claim ownership of.
Nick Page
144 Posted 18/01/2023 at 17:54:02
David @148 - to be honest, I haven't checked but I've also heard that stated. Tbh, I couldn't care less if they did it for free, it doesn't make them any better or forgive the fact that they're in the wrong job.

If they are paid the amounts rumoured (check the Annual Report), then all it does is further highlight the alarming Old Boys Club culture we have fostered for so long.

Nick Page
145 Posted 18/01/2023 at 17:57:16
One Gall was bad enough, now there's two of them chatting absolute wham. My heads spinning...
Jerome Shields
146 Posted 18/01/2023 at 17:57:43
John #152,

The Club wasn't losing money then. Financially, the Club was very strong. Since Kenwright has been Chairman, that has not been the case. He had to get an investor in to stay solvent.

Dave Abrahams
147 Posted 18/01/2023 at 17:59:12
John (152),

“See the bigger picture” – you're refusing to look at the picture, the man's lies and deceit have been documented since he became owner of the club with borrowed money.

Barry Hesketh
148 Posted 18/01/2023 at 18:00:19
John @152

Where there's a will there's a way. We just have to find the people who

a) want to improve the club, and
b) have the ability to do so.

Where there's a Bill, there's no way!

Nick Page
149 Posted 18/01/2023 at 18:01:45
Anyone care to hazard a guess as to how much money Bill "one of us" Kenwright had made out of Everton?
Jerome Shields
150 Posted 18/01/2023 at 18:06:02

David #55

I also think we are only seeing the tip of the iceberg.


It would not surprise me that was the so-called incident. If it is, they know the alleged culprit. But the Club or Denise would not dare to take action on such evidence.

Martin Mason
151 Posted 18/01/2023 at 18:08:42
Surely we are finished now, especially if as likely Moyes walks through the revolving door to Everton. This isn't the old Moyes – it's the spent and finished Moyes.

The quadrality at Everton (sorry I was wrong about the trinity): Owner & Chairman, Head Coach, Players and Fans are absolutely misaligned and this is what happens when clubs collapse.

It is of course 100% the fault of one person and he is going nowhere. The result is that we are likely finished now short of a miracle. The ultimate "too big to go down" club? Maybe we'll go down this time because we are a small club?

At the bottom of the Premier League we pay our board 2nd highest salaries? We deserve to go down.

David Currie
152 Posted 18/01/2023 at 18:13:43

I would guess about £80 Million!

Dave Lynch
153 Posted 18/01/2023 at 18:27:09
Martin @163.

When I worked in addictions, I remember speaking to a recovering alcoholic. He said to me... "Before you can start to climb out of the addiction pit, you have to truly hit rock bottom".
That lad did hit rock bottom, I often wonder if he made it in life, he was a lovely lad.

Maybe we have to go through the same process, though at 62 this year, I fear I'll never see us truly climb out of that pit.

Danny O’Neill
154 Posted 18/01/2023 at 18:40:53
High risk?

Do they know the meaning of high risk?

It's not avoiding going to the match.

I'm at risk going on Saturday for the sake of my sanity, but I will be there.

Sean Kelly
155 Posted 18/01/2023 at 18:45:19
People don't see it but the snidey prick Kenwright is in a win-win situation. If we go down, he will blame the fans, and if we stay up, he will say his actions saved us. He's playing a blinder and that's more than can be said for our players.
Nick Page
156 Posted 18/01/2023 at 18:46:09
Pat @166,

This Saturday is El Sackio Part II - The Away Leg

Peter Neilson
157 Posted 18/01/2023 at 19:02:46
As with their running of the club the board clearly haven't thought through this “at risk” stance. What's the next step? When do they envisage it'll be “safe”? What's their exit strategy?

I'm already picturing a TV camera close up of a teary eyed Bill at Anfield with his back to us in the Anfield Road end.

As has already been referred to he claims to have gone sightseeing, with Elvis (yeah right) so hopefully he'll dwell on the fact we can't go on together with suspicious minds.

Tony Abrahams
158 Posted 18/01/2023 at 19:35:54
Well, I've just been sitting in the house quietly, half listening to the telly, half reading on my iPad, and coming from my telly came the words, "Well we watched Liverpool put in one of their best performances in ages last night, but tonight it's time for Eastenders."

No wonder Kenwright found it so easy to set his fibbing narrative with this institution and its staff.

Rob Halligan
159 Posted 18/01/2023 at 19:38:14
Tony, that's disgusting… you watching Eastenders!
Danny O’Neill
160 Posted 18/01/2023 at 19:39:33
I am too Rob. You can tell me off on Saturday.
Rob Halligan
161 Posted 18/01/2023 at 19:43:58
Danny, too damn right!
Paul Smith
162 Posted 18/01/2023 at 19:48:28
I love the BBC but their obsession with Liverpool needs investigating. It’s absolutely shocking.
Tony Everan
163 Posted 18/01/2023 at 19:59:43

Last night the RS player Tsmikas brought down cynically a Wolves player on the break. No booking and the commentator said, “That could be seen as a good foul, if that's the right word”.

Nick Page
164 Posted 18/01/2023 at 20:08:14
Can't fucking stand the BBC. God knows why anyone watches or listens to their propaganda shite.
Ray Smith
165 Posted 18/01/2023 at 20:13:17
Correct me if I'm wrong but we cannot sell or loan Simms to anyone other than Sunderland? He's now played for Sunderland and Everton, and therefore cannot play for a third club in any one season.

If I am right, who would buy a player they can't play! Only Everton could conjure up this situation. So play him or send him back to Sunderland.

At the risk of repeating myself, am I wrong?

Tony Abrahams
166 Posted 18/01/2023 at 20:23:51
I shit myself, Rob, I thought they were gonna put last night's game on!

I remember the last time I was in the East End, and it looked like Everton had a massive chance of going down, so I hope you have a better time there on Saturday, mate!

Danny O’Neill
167 Posted 18/01/2023 at 21:58:05
Don't start me, Nick.

I've always listened to the BBC when 1000s of miles from home, but lately get told to switch it off as my rantings bore the family and scare the dogs.

I should distinguish between the BBC and BBC Breakfast.

Yesterday, expecting to hear the news with the cost of living crisis and strikes in full flow, I get a full on self-indulged back slapping sofa birthday party.

Why do I pay my TV licence? I pay for Sky, Amazon and Netflix. Why is it legal to pay for the BBC but optional for others?

Meanwhile I'm fretting about Everton and the war in Ukraine is raging whilst they laugh and joke on that RED sofa and cut cake.

Emotional week. Please excuse me.

Duncan McDine
168 Posted 18/01/2023 at 22:10:04
I know how your poor dogs must feel, Danny.

Surely you are aware that paying your TV licence is optional? Just like you opt in to pay for Amazon (who incidentally have avoided paying multi-millions of pounds corporation tax into the UK).

Eric Myles
170 Posted 19/01/2023 at 06:38:05
Nick #164,

I guess I'm in the fortunate position that the BBC is banned here in Viet Nam.

Jerome Shields
171 Posted 19/01/2023 at 09:21:47
The problem the Board have now is when they do come back to matches, how are they going the explain the low risk peaceful protests in their absence and what appears to them avoiding the issues, that they hope in pushing down the line have gone? They on their return will face more Media sc**tiny and their attempts to control the narrative will have totally failed.Any PR guru would advise they come clean and start talking to the parties involved to determine a suitable course of action.Not to do so will make things worse for them.
Tony Abrahams
172 Posted 19/01/2023 at 09:33:06
What’s Vietnam like Eric, I’ve seen pictures of Halong bay, and it looks like the perfect place to get away from Everton!

It’s best we get on without them now Jerome, although if they do return, can we please replace the boo’s with hisses, because hisses don’t sound quite as aggressive.

Neil Cremin
173 Posted 19/01/2023 at 10:13:40
Being a toffee supporter since 1966 I have enjoyed many highs and lows but none compared to the low I feel right now where I see no hope of us staying up. Unfortunately I am not a regular at Goodson asI do not live in UK.
However, I feel compelled to comment here as I feel the current planned protests are counter productive. Let me also state that EFC has been run incompetently for many years. Again (hiding behind the couch) since David Moyes left. Before DM we were regularly fighting relegation, while he was there we usually best of rest. Since then it had been a rapid decline to current crisis. This is not advocating bringing DM back we need to move on but we need to be real about where we are now not where we were in the past.
Angry protests on Saturday are giving a cowardly board opportunity to put focus on fans, while simultaneously facilitating the venting anger to the team and FL.
How can you expect them to perform under such a toxic environment, maybe that’s been the reason we got a point at city.
For me a silent protest would be far more effective

Bob Parrington
174 Posted 19/01/2023 at 10:30:47
Jay @ 101. I heard a rumour that it was nothing of the kind with DBB. It was a Red SH supporter, who had the audacity to put on a blue and white scarf and attack her. Divide and conquer! Put all in the club against each other and the club fails. Masterclass.

Time to get some positives in here and everywhere else to do with Everton FC. Some excellent comments on here. Ah! Danny Boy (Danny O)
the pipes the pipes. I love your outright honesty and emotion! True Blue.

Understand the frustration of all blues. Currently in Phuket in Thailand on holiday, I see Red FC jerseys mostly and wear my Everton T shirt proudly, while they try to take the piss. Must be difficult living in Liverpool and Merseyside in general just now as an Evertonian. Honestly, I'm sorry with what you are all having to put up with.

But Evertonians are a special breed and we will all stick together, particularly when the going gets tough! Let's get some strikers in, get points on the table, and go onward and upwards.

Mick Conalty
175 Posted 19/01/2023 at 11:18:15
Perhaps Bill and the other Board Members should offer
their seats to deserving local people from EitC who cannot afford to go to the game anymore.
Jeff Spiers
176 Posted 19/01/2023 at 11:28:49
With all the furore of fans harassing(?) players, go to YouTube and see Eric Dyer confronting a Spurs fan.
Jeff Spiers
177 Posted 19/01/2023 at 11:49:44
John@142 How easy it was reading your post. Sums us up perfectly. Brilliant, mate
Mark Ryan
178 Posted 19/01/2023 at 12:00:02
Ings is a great signing for West Ham. At £15 mil surely we could have offloaded Davies, Holgate etc to raise that sort of cash ? We tried recently to get him on loan and so presumably Villa said " No but give us £15 mil and he's yours"
Surely that was discussed. Did Thelwell say " No we have new principles here at EFC about the age of players we buy blah blah. Surely you would see that and go " we'll have him"
Perhaps he just thought I ain't going there but c'mon ?
He is destined to score against us Saturday, its nailed on ffs
Fran Mitchell
179 Posted 19/01/2023 at 12:08:21
Ings has 1 in 3 this season. being offloaded for 15.

Maupay cost 15.

Everton that

Ray Smith
180 Posted 19/01/2023 at 12:15:41
Mark 178

SSN are saying £10m, so that’s really rubbing it in.

I’ve said it before and at the risk of repeating myself; what quality player would/will sign for Everton?

West Ham, Bournemouth and Leicester are bringing players in, as well as other clubs in and around us!

I accept that Thelwell keeps his powder dry, but again repeating myself, what’s he doing attending home games?

In respect of increased security, why were Mina and Gordon leaving the ground in their own cars, only to be surrounded by angry fans.
If that’s heightened security I’m a Dutchman.
Another debacle from those on high!!!!

Mark Taylor
181 Posted 19/01/2023 at 12:17:37
Thank you to the people who posted a link to the petition. I'm aware these rarely get anywhere but none of us can do much individually and this is a concrete manifestation of discontent. If nothing else, it is good PR. It's nearly at 10,000 signatures so sign it if you haven't.

Note the petition is to sack the board. Moshiri is not on the board as far as I know. The board are accountable for our parlous position and the failures of the past 7 years (some might argue far longer) as well as the recent slandering of the EFC fanbase. They have shown themselves entirely inadequate to run an EPL football club. To be blunt, our CEO would not be employed by any other club in the EPL or the championship, she is entirely unqualified for the role. Her level would be CEO of a medium sized charity. The removal of the board will not mean we start winning football matches but it is a pre-requisite for turning the club around in the medium term.

You cannot, as others have pointed out, sack an owner. I am more ambivalent about Moshiri. He may be out of his depth, but he has certainly put a lot of money in. That's at least half of what one would expect from an owner. But in practical terms, I believe he is out of money. Personally I don't think he is anything like as rich as advertised and this was mostly Usmanov's money. The best thing he can do for the club is hand it over to new owners with means. That may mean allowing him some part ownership of the club or maybe having a seperate entity for the stadium that he retains a substantial shareholding in, so he can at least recover some of his investment.

One reason the petition will likely fail is that Moshiri's focus is, I suspect, entirely on selling the club, ideally very quickly. The football performance has put us and his plans in crisis mode. The value of his investment has every chance of plummeting. His thinking would need to be long term to replace the current board because for sure, they won't last long under new owners. But equally who would join a board, knowing the owner who appointed you is desperate to sell. Hence I think we are in stasis. And therefore in very clear danger of disintegrating as this game of chicken continues...

Raymond Fox
182 Posted 19/01/2023 at 12:43:00
Mark 181, thanks for your effort with the petition.

I'm with you with regards Moshiri, the people employed to source players of true premiership ability are the main culprits of our demise.
Ok, its not easy to find them and then persuade them to sign for a struggling club but they have consistantly failed miserably.

I don't care who the manager is your never going to do well if the players are not good enough.

Christy Ring
183 Posted 19/01/2023 at 12:52:25
Fran#179 It's an absolute joke not signing Ings a proven goalscorer. But I feel sorry for Lampard because he signed Maupay for £11m in instalments. I guarantee you he didn't have the money upfront to pay £15m for Ings, the same as £17.5m for Cornet upfront. The club is a shambles, and he's trying to do deals with his hands tied behind his back.
Darren Hind
184 Posted 19/01/2023 at 13:04:47
Talk Shite saying Ings is undergoing his medical now...But the fee is only 10m.

Difficult not to weep when you look at how this club is run

Jim Bennings
185 Posted 19/01/2023 at 13:08:03

I completely agree.

That kind of signing could be the difference between keeping this club in the Premier League this season or us going down and not coming back.

The fact that we were happy to pay so much for McNeil and Maupay is even more painful.

Eddie Dunn
186 Posted 19/01/2023 at 13:09:41
Well the January window is notoriously hard to find good deals but now Ings has gone and all our rivals have strengthened. Despite the fact that Lampard is a very ordinary coach, the club have let him down.
The only explanation is that we are completely broke or we are waiting for the new guy to come in, after we lose at West Ham and we give him whatever is left.
Danny O’Neill
187 Posted 19/01/2023 at 13:11:30
Not sure Duncan:

It is an offence under section 363 of the Communications Act 2003 to watch live on any channel, TV service or streaming service, or use BBC iPlayer* on any device, without a valid TV Licence. Section 365 of that Act requires a person to whom a TV Licence is issued must pay a fee to the BBC.

I don't care about Ings. I just care about being there and turning up on Saturday.

I hope the Manager and players do regardless of what the board does.

I really don't care about them.

John Cook
188 Posted 19/01/2023 at 13:12:02
What's the odds on Ings getting the winner Saturday if he plays always scores against us
Raymond Fox
189 Posted 19/01/2023 at 13:14:33
Unless those in charge can pull a couple of rabbits out of the hat in whats left of this window, we are sleepwalking into the Championship.
Nick Page
190 Posted 19/01/2023 at 13:15:08
Lampard presser at 1.30pm. Hopefully he’ll walk and then spill the beans on the Kenwright dictatorship. The club should just fucking fold. It’s an absolute complete and utter disgrace.
Jim Bennings
191 Posted 19/01/2023 at 13:18:57
Nick 190

You might get your wish granted when we get relegated about the club folding.

The debt it will be in means I'd say within 5 years we'll have gone bust.

Brent Stephens
192 Posted 19/01/2023 at 13:26:49
"The club should fold"?! Not a view many would hold, Nick! It's our club. It's not folding.
Phil Martin
193 Posted 19/01/2023 at 13:28:45
Not sure I agree with the theory of "we're not spending because a new manager will want funds"...

We have a DoF who should be identifying long term beneficial signings which any Everton manager will appreciate. Specifically we need goals, and whoever replaces Frank (assuming he's on borrowed time) will face the same problems. I suspect we're just skint and Moshiri turned off the taps for good.

Joe McMahon
194 Posted 19/01/2023 at 13:33:20
Jim, John, Eddie and Darren. Following on from you've all said, Danny Ings has scored for 4 different clubs against Everton. We really are the club that keeps giving to opposing strikers.

Meanwhile we always struggle to actually have any goalscoring strikers.

If we are honest Everton FC don't deserve to be in the premier league, with Years of zero entertainment. Yes it's horrible, that one man can oversee the slow demise over many years.

Christy Ring
195 Posted 19/01/2023 at 13:34:23
Jim#185 In my opinion you're missing the bigger picture, Lampard was able to sign Maupay and McNeill because he didn't have to pay millions upfront, the fees were divided over 3/4 year instalments, so Lampard / Thelwell are plucking at straws, not being able to pay upfront for a player, means we're bringing in lower levelplayers. Still can't believe how we weren't able to offer Villa £10m upfront for Ings. Our manager now whether you want him or not, is the sacrificial lamb, because the likes of Koeman throwing away 100's of milions on average players who got massive contracts.
Regarding more propaganda by Kenwright &Co. because of more sitin's and demonstrations for the Arsenal match, I think Graeme Sharp will lose a lot of respect from our fans, because he wouldn't be targeted and should take his seat in the stand, sadly it shows he's Kenwright's puppet.
Lee Courtliff
196 Posted 19/01/2023 at 13:35:17
I don't understand this outcry for Ings. He's 31 in the summer, a long history of injuries that will only worsen over the next couple of years and he's hardly been prolific for Villa with 13 goals in 48 League games.

We've signed more players from other Premier League clubs than any other side, we need to cast our net further like Brighton do.

Granted, we are in a perilous situation so I do understand the worry to some degree.

Will Mabon
197 Posted 19/01/2023 at 13:43:51
"Where there's a Bill, there's no way!"

You've coined another banner for the Arsenal game, Barry.

Danny O’Neill
198 Posted 19/01/2023 at 13:46:49
Lee @196, I have to agree with you.

Regardless as to whether he scores when we win 2 - 1 on Saturday, if we were to spend double digit millions on a 31 year old journeyman plagued by a dodgy injury track record, there would be a lot of criticism from a large portion of our supporters.

I like Ings. A genuine shame injury restricted his career.

Bill Gall
199 Posted 19/01/2023 at 14:11:49
Lee @ 196

Yes we are in a perilous situation, but the worry is that I think for once in my lifetime of support 1954 to today, the disgraceful way F.Moshiri has allowed the club to decline in stature " and yes I hold him fully responsible as owner " players are no longer attracted to Everton they prefer to move to other clubs that are run more successfully.

Mark Ryan
200 Posted 19/01/2023 at 16:09:24
Frank's presser. Would not answer a question with a straight answer
When it was put to him "Did you see that West Ham have signed Ings?"
" yes, he's a great striker"
Not a happy bunny
He's clearly a very frustrated man.
I am going to play Bullshit Bingo if he gets to do the Arsenal presser.
A point for everytime he says " I've played in a lot of big games" another point for " I know what it's like, I've been involved in some crucial fixtures" another point for " I've been there as a player, I know what it's like to feel the pressure of match day" and I'll take 2 points for " I've played in some big games against Arsenal, they are a quality team "
As the Americans say Frank... " enough already" ffs Frank, we know you once played the fucking game, get over yourself
Ray Jacques
201 Posted 19/01/2023 at 16:11:09
Forest trying to sign Wood from Newcastle, West Ham sign Ings, we sign err .

Kieran Kinsella
202 Posted 19/01/2023 at 16:14:46

I noticed too he's picked up a phrase used by both Rafa and Carlo "I'm not a miracle worker." Which begs the question, which cliche is true? A bad workman blames his tools? or A workman is only as good as his tools? Probably both are true in this case.

Tony Abrahams
203 Posted 19/01/2023 at 16:16:40
Id sooner be told I was a shite footballer, than hear my manager say that he’s not a miracle worker.
Robert Tressell
204 Posted 19/01/2023 at 16:23:05
Kieran, I think you could fairly say that in Lampard's brief managerial career he's probably underperformed relative to the level of investment into the playing staff. That was true at Derby and Chelsea.

He could probably do better with what he has at Everton but not lots better. Player for player we have a really poor side - the worst by some margin since Moyes left. Richarlison was carrying this team, it now appears.

Derek Taylor
205 Posted 19/01/2023 at 16:33:53
We urgently need input from The Esk. Although, like us, he can only speculate, his reading of Everton financial matters is more informed than anything us mere mortals can read into such situations.

For what it's worth, I think it's simply that the Russian well has dried up following sanctions by our Government -and thus Moshiri has now run out of pocket money. Unless he finds a buyer soon, it's curtains, One blessing is that Kenwright will become irrelevant, merely to go down in history as the Chairman who led this great club to disaster !

Clive Rogers
206 Posted 19/01/2023 at 16:42:20
Derek, 205, I can’t see Moshiri finding a buyer for a loss making club with potentially massive debts that is in the bottom three. Unless of course there’s another gullible billionaire lunatic out there like ours.
Christy Ring
207 Posted 19/01/2023 at 16:53:39
Listening to Lampard praising Ings, it tells me he's a big fan but our owner and board wouldn't give him £10m upfront to try and strengthen, and looking at him to perform miracles without a penny.
Pat Kelly
208 Posted 19/01/2023 at 16:56:24
Lampard is sounding more and more detached from the players lately. We're doing our best to help the squad, etc. There's no sense of cohesion on or off the pitch. The owner has long since departed the scene. Followed by the Board.

Will the last one out please switch off the floodlights.

Derek Taylor
209 Posted 19/01/2023 at 16:59:52
The Club hasn't got a penny, let alone £10 mil. They blue the last of the fighting fund on two 'no hopers' !
Kieran Kinsella
210 Posted 19/01/2023 at 17:00:30

I agree. Case in point would be Maupay. he's not great but at Everton he seems terrible, partly his performance partly because we don't set up in a way that enables him to get many shots. I don't think our approach does much other than highlight the weakness of our defenders too. But that being said, the difference might be a few points not top six.

Eric Myles
211 Posted 19/01/2023 at 17:00:49
Neil #173, if a protest is silent how does anyone know what you're protesting about?

Do supporters silently mouth 'sack the board ' looking like goldfish and hope that there's some lip readers in the directors box?

Eric Myles
212 Posted 19/01/2023 at 17:13:48
Lee #196, agree on Ings, if Villa are a relegation threatened side like us and he's not the goalscoring answer to their survival, then why would he be OUR saviour?

Can't understand why Moyes bought him, but maybe he's strapped for cash like us and is only shopping among the bottom feeders.

Neil Cremin
213 Posted 19/01/2023 at 17:19:15
Never heard the saying “Silence is Golden”
Imagine the eerie atmosphere if the team walked out to silence.
Rather than roar them on and then turn to toxic anger when they fall behind, make them earn the roars and applause when they score and win.
Easier said than done but I dare say effective and less toxic. Pull rather than Push strategy.
Jim Lloyd
214 Posted 19/01/2023 at 17:21:46
I think you're right Kieran. we're not getting the best out of Maupay, and we're not protecting the defenders anything like enough.

Maupay might not be good enough foor the Prem but we're letting him down. Not really sure why we bought McNeill, though someone posted that it was reputedly to shut Burnley up Mind you,for whatever reason,I think it would have been better to save our money (hang on! What money?)

The Arsenal game is probably quite rightly classified as a High Risk game...for our team!

Duncan McDine
215 Posted 19/01/2023 at 17:51:34
Danny 187 - it’s applies to watching any live tv / live streaming, and of course anything from the bbc (correct) so you have the option of not watching live tv or the bbc. My brother has got rid as he’s also fed up with paying the licence fee (and tbf he has stopped watching live and anything bbc, but whilst the beeb are less impartial than they should be, at least they don’t have adverts. I’ve got a bigger axe to grind with the billionaire corporations who get away with ripping off this country (shamelessly aided by our government’s convenient loopholes). I think supporting Everton has prematurely turned us into grumpy old feckers!
Will Mabon
216 Posted 19/01/2023 at 17:57:50
Duncan, it's worse than ripping off, it's total destruction in preparation for some very unsavoury plans. Further discussions are going on right now at one of their get togethers.
Christy Ring
217 Posted 19/01/2023 at 18:11:03
I still cannot understand why Moshiri won't give the manager money to spend for the simple reason: Wouldn't the club be a lot worse off financially if we were relegated??
Brendan McLaughlin
218 Posted 19/01/2023 at 18:17:38
Christy #217

We can't spend, at least significantly, because of the Premier Leagues Profit & Sustainability rules. If we exceed those we'll almost suffer a points deduction and be relegated anyway.

Eddie Dunn
219 Posted 19/01/2023 at 18:18:54
Christy- I think that the new guy will get some dosh once Frank has gone. Perhaps the club were hoping that Frank would resign.
I'm sure that after "years as a player and managing at three big clubs" and having Uncle Harry and his Dad to advise him, that Frank is simply sitting tight, waiting for his severance pay, and nobody will blame him for his shit management because now the world and his wife know what a basket case Everton is.
Rob Halligan
220 Posted 19/01/2023 at 18:45:02
When a manager is sacked, does he receive the full compensation in terms of his salary eg: if Lampard is on £50k PW which equates to £2.6M PA, does he receive the full £2.6M, or a % age of it?

Lampard only signed a 2½-year deal, meaning he's got 18 months left, so would his severance pay be about £3.9M, or, as I say, a % age of £3.9M? Hope this makes sense!!

Brendan McLaughlin
221 Posted 19/01/2023 at 18:54:21
Rob #220

It depends what it says in the contract but generally they get the full amount.

I understand that some clubs also insist on paying the "compensation" over the remaining length of the contract but will pay a one-off lesser lump sum if it can be agreed.

Chris Leyland
222 Posted 19/01/2023 at 18:56:15
Rob, I suppose it would depend what was in the contract. Maybe there is a break clause at the one year mark if certain performance conditions haven't been met? But then again, it is Everton so I expect that there is a clause that says that we have to pay him 10 times his salary if we sack him
Andy Riley
223 Posted 19/01/2023 at 19:01:35
Rob #220 - I vaguely recall that Peter Johnson wanted to pay off Mike Walker monthly over the remaining term of his contract but I think in the end had to pay it off in full?
Danny O’Neill
224 Posted 19/01/2023 at 19:02:02
That's an interesting point on advertising with regards to the BBC Duncan.

I've been watching with interest of late and they seemingly advertise themselves. Does that constitute advertising? Even if it isn't in the commercial sense?

They still make money. It's just paid for by the taxpayer.

Maybe I could opt out. But I'd rather grumble in the mornings at that Breakfast crew with their emotional journalism telling me how bad the country is because I actually respect the BBC.

Radio 4 educated me and got me through my commissioning to become an Officer in the Army.

Brent Stephens
225 Posted 19/01/2023 at 19:12:13
Danny, BBC income doesn't come solely from the taxpayer, does it? Isn't there also the commercial arm? Argue about the merits or otherwise of the BBC, but the commercial, non-taxpayer funding is a significant element.
Ray Smith
226 Posted 19/01/2023 at 19:17:47
Brendan 221

Bobby brown shoes stuck out for £12m which was in his contract.
He never backed down and that’s what it cost us.
What happened to loyalty?
However, I accept I’m living in the past!

Danny O’Neill
227 Posted 19/01/2023 at 19:29:54
I'll confess to not knowing that detail Brent. I always saw it black and white. BBC licence funded, ITV used commercial advertising.

I shouldn't watch the Breakfast show!!

Brent Stephens
228 Posted 19/01/2023 at 19:33:39
Danny, off-topic, but interestingly Channel 4 is publicly-owned but totally commercially-funded.
Kieran Kinsella
229 Posted 19/01/2023 at 19:33:43

In 2020, the BBC received 3.5 billion from license fees and 1.3 billion from commercial enterprises such as selling DVDs, streaming, licensing content overseas etc. Also, it has partnerships on things like BBC America that generate advertising income.

This is in part why they revived Doctor Who because it has more commercial potential with toys, etc. It's also why it is still going even though in recent years the viewing figures have tanked.

Kieran Kinsella
230 Posted 19/01/2023 at 19:34:13

Aren't the Tories trying to privatise Channel 4 now?

Brent Stephens
231 Posted 19/01/2023 at 19:35:43
Kieran, they've backed off from that. Announced last week.
Kieran Kinsella
232 Posted 19/01/2023 at 19:36:05
Rob and Brendan'

With Koeman, I recall we paid it over the length of the contract but it had a stipulation that, if he got a new job, it would decrease by the amount of his new wage. So, when he got the Holland job on around €800k a year,we still paid him the balance of his £6 million a year deal.

Raymond Fox
233 Posted 19/01/2023 at 19:42:50
The BBC need to spend some money on producing some decent programmes instead of all the inane crap they now churn out along with the endless repeats.
Danny O’Neill
234 Posted 19/01/2023 at 20:05:41
God, what have I sarted now?

Tony and I got a telling off last night for watching Eastenders and Rob Halligan is going to give me a verbal warning on Saturday in the East End!!!

Andy Meighan
235 Posted 19/01/2023 at 20:25:29
I've seen a few on here going on about Ings and Wood signing for West Ham and Forest respectively. Can I please ask if we'd have signed the 2 of them where the service was going to come from? Yes we need a striker, but by god we need 3 attacking midfielders because Onana apart and he's been hot and cold, our midfield is dreadful, absolutely shocking.

Gordon, Gray, Gueye, McNeil, Doucoure, Davies are just truly shit footballers end of. So by all means buy 2 strikers or get 2 on loan but just watch the lack of service. Its criminal. As it stands I can't see us getting anyone in anyway. Or maybe Elanga on loan wow can't wait.

Brendan McLaughlin
236 Posted 19/01/2023 at 21:32:22
Regarding the picture at the top of the thread, has Blue Bill dropped one or should it be captioned:

"Everton release evidence of fellow Directors witnessing "headlock" incident"

Laurie Hartley
237 Posted 20/01/2023 at 02:18:50
Mark # 181 - you should start another petition and post a link on all the players twitter / instagram pages. Something along the lines of:

If you give is 100% in every minute of every game you will get it back in spades from us. Signed ………

John Gall # 142 - unsavoury as it is, and hard to swallow, everything you wrote is true and in my opinion it was all down to one man - he who we loved to hate - Bill Shankly. My point is one leader can change the fortunes of a club. We have to find ours.

Marco Bielsa - ”Accept the injustice, swallow the poison, everything will balance in the end”

Derek Thomas
238 Posted 20/01/2023 at 04:01:29
Will Mabon @ 197: here's another one for the banners; Mr Kenwright - The Bill we can't afford !
Eric Myles
239 Posted 20/01/2023 at 05:04:43
Neil #213, you mean like in the Covid league?

Didn't seem to bother them then, they still got their weekly wage packet.

Andy Walker
240 Posted 21/01/2023 at 04:24:20
Barry Hesketh
241 Posted 21/01/2023 at 19:53:01
“It was a sad day for the club,” Sharp ­admitted, still struggling to come to terms with effectively being banned from watching a side in which he is second only to Dixie Dean as Everton's all-time leading scorer.

“It's still uncertain whether we will get the go-ahead to attend the next home game against Arsenal on February 4. No one could ever have envisaged things getting to this state where you are ­actually in physical danger.

“I don't want to miss games, Everton is in my blood. Of course, fans can have their say and I can ­understand the ­frustrations, but some of the protests have gone over the top.

“For instance, no one works harder than Denise. In addition to the day-to-day running of the club, she is also working tirelessly on the new stadium. For her to be targeted is so unfair.” Source (Daily Mirror)

Sorry, Graeme, you gave me some of the greatest moments watching Everton FC, but I hold you in a little less esteem than I used to.

Brian Waring
242 Posted 22/01/2023 at 23:34:54
Hi all, haven't been on here for a very, very long time. I would put the house on it that this fuck-up of a board will be at the Arsenal game even if it means them getting loads of grief from the crowd.

They'll just use the grief as another way for Kenwright to say to his media acolytes 'this is the thanks I get". Heartbreaking where we are heading.

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