Beto on Atalanta's shortlist

If Beto does go it should be a straight fee. El Bilal Touré is a real "sick note" and has been for 3 seasons. Muscle injuries and hamstring pulls.

Should have been done already if he's not in the managers plans, which he clearly isn't as what was seen towards the arse end of last season.

We should have moved one of Beto or DCL on by now, could have moved for Fullkrüg, a more able finisher than both of them and Brereton Diaz who will get more goals than Beto in my opinion this season.

We have zero imagination.

I hope we keep Beto. I believe if he is given a decent run of games, he will do well for us and, most importantly, score goals.

Keep him. His second season will be considerably superior to his first.

Only if he learns how to control a football Mike lol.

I think as long as his 'anal orifice' points downwards he will never make a Premier League striker.

Too much of the 'Bambi on Ice' about him, even given a decent run upfront, I fail to see that changing. Best of luck to him from me!

It's clear Dyche doesn't rate him, so get him sold.

He's 27 in January and should be in his prime. He isn't though. So are we going to wait till he's 28, worth less, before we realise he doesn't have the touch and awareness to make it with us?

Denkey, Karim Konute, Moffi, Adebayo as buys or Broja, Fofana, Bilal Toure etc etc on loans offer much more potential to the team now and going forward.

Shifting Beto could open opportunity on other deals if it Frees cashflow for some deals that might unlock selling or renewing Dcl - I.e dcl and beto out and say Adebayo and Broja in.

Calvert-Lewin will probably be sold so I would keep Beto.

Chermiti is also out injured so we are likely to be short on the goal scoring department, I don't think we can be selling Beto.

As said, DCL looks on his way out and Chermiti is injured (also not ready imo to be no.1).

Selling Beto now only an option if we have a ready made replacement. Otherwise keep him and give him a run of games.

Surprised we're not linked with Adebayo.

Fullkrug would not have been remotely interested in joining Everton. West Ham are miles ahead of us at the moment. Although I think he will do okay for them (flanked by Kudus and Bowen with Paqueta in behind) - he is the sort of expensive 30(+) player that may hit them financially in a couple of years.

It's pretty clear that Dyche doesn't consider Beto as good as DCL - but I'm not sure that really means he doesn't rate him at all. I'm not sure many on here think Beto is better than DCL.

Adebayo is presumably not linked because at 26 and off the back of his best ever season, he will be as expensive as he will ever be. And it's not clear whether he's really any good - or whether he just did well out of Luton's kamikaze attack alongside (the probably more talented) Carlton Morris.

Broja is probably the most likely replacement, I would have thought. Maybe a fee of about £22m since Chelsea get a PSR win given he is home grown.

Out of the frying pan into the fire with Broja for me.

Not convinced at all. His finishing is as wild as Beto's.

Broja I like a lot but he's a very different player to Beto and DCL. More mobile and direct with his running but he is not a target man and balls in the air won't stick like they do with DCL.

Many don't seem to appreciate how good and selfless Dom is at that role, it frustrates me. However, as others have said, maybe there is a different plan as we have signed more mobile players this summer.

Robert, I think Paqueta is facing a lengthy ban for betting issues like Toney and Tonali.

Good player, shame to see.

As someone said what we currently have as striking options are.

A player who doesn't see us as his first choice anymore

A player we don't see as our first (maybe even second choice)

A young player currently injured and also without a goal to his name.

Need sorting out ASAP

Agree with you, Steve.

Dyche has been here now for his 3rd season. He needs to evolve the playing style to go with his defensive preference.

He plays a low block defence with stay-at-home full-backs, and two midfielders that screen the back four.

That means the front 3 or 4 need to be mobile and offer goal threat on the counter. Get that right with a strong set-piece outfit and we can look upwards.

I want him to succeed but just can't see it. Gives everything but sometimes tries too hard.
Some underestimate Dom's contribution to the team. His work allows others to do their thing. If he stays (I hope he does), he will improve his goals but will allow others to chip in too.

Ian # 7 - “ It's clear Dyche doesn't rate him, ” where is the evidence for that statement? Just asking.

All depends on the DCL situation. If he's staying then he will be first choice and Beto will be an expensive bench player depreciating in value. If the club think they can sell DCL then Beto will be first choice and I'd back him to score 10+ goals.

Interesting that Beto scored 2 behind closed doors but none for DCL. Was he playing? Is he injured or might Dyche start favouring Beto if DCL is pushing for a move away?

Laurie - he's had limited minutes ahead of Dom pre season despite turning down a new contract.

He played just 800 minutes last season, with dcl playing 3 times the minutes.

Chermiti played games ahead of him towards the end of last season.

I'd say that supports him not fancying him mate.

@16 Shaun.

Presence alone shifts the way the opposition play. Defences are scared of Calvert-Lewin aerially and therefore they adapt knowing that they are not likely to win the first ball.

What we don't do well enough most of the time is have the players in and around him to feed off his winning the ball or the drop-down when he doesn't. When it does work, as it did in the last derby, Calvert-Lewin becomes unplayable.

Beto is a completely different type of player and will never be as dominant in the same way. If we are going to rotate the two then we need to play to Beto's strengths which will be facing defences up and running at them or running in behind.

Alternatively the other option is to play them both together and for the wide players to not get too far advanced. I don't see this as a huge problem as neither McNeil nor Harrison are much of a goal threat.

Start of last season, we were toothless up front (Calvert-Lewin injured, Maupay playing) and we lost the first few games. Beto,
and Chermiti came in late in the day, but we were already playing catch-up, before the added fun of the PSR deductions.

As others have noted, we have a starting set of fixtures we have to try to take something from, it would be incredibly short-sighted to start the season weak up front.

So I fully expect that to happen.

I believe he scored twice in the 6-0 thrashing of Motherwell on Tuesday at Goodison.

Also on the score sheet twice was Maupay.

Maupay has only ever been used here as a lone striker with no service. And obviously he hasn't performed very well.

Yet he went to Brentford and scored the same amount of goals there as Calvert-Lewin did last season only he managed it in 7 fewer games and for a team that finished below us in the league.

Tommy, I had a dream that Maupay and Beto score 25 goals between them! If they started every game, I actually think it's not impossible but can't see that happening.

Ndiaye should prove a useful Number 10 hopefully.

£26M mistake.

Cut our losses for cash. But Atalanta seem to want to stick us with another dud.

We'll probably be stuck with Beto, Maupay and Chermiti.

Maupay isn't the answer to how we play.

Maupay would have been a decent player in the old days of 4-4-2 where you had two strikers, one big target man and one smaller guy that complimented the other (sometimes I miss those days).

In those days you had two strikers who would probably get 10-13 goals apiece and a goalscoring midfielder who got 10 and probably two wide players who got 7 each.

Don't feel I can make a fair assessment of Beto's ability on the minutes I've seen him play.

If Dyche doesn't rate him, as has been suggested, why did he go along with paying £25M for him last year? Don't get that, but I am very old!!

Anyway, latest rumour is that Everton are not keen on selling him to Atalanta, so he may well be staying. That said, we definitely need a goalscorer this season.

Oh yeah, and a full-back, and a midfielder, and a pacy winger, and new owners. Not much to ask for, is it??

Jim, stop it. Got me all nostalgic of Sharp with 20, Inchy with 9 (until Marbutt did him), Sheeds and Tricky Trev 23 between them, Degsy with 10.

Ah yes, those were the days and a team with an average age of 24½. And they wonder why we don't like them.

Ian # 19 - I see your reasoning - and perhaps you are right in your assertion. If he gets sold you definitely are. I'll be interested to see how things pan out.

When he plays Beto gives all, but he really has very little football ability and to make up for that his often over exuberance would I feel sure be cautioned by referees. All this should have been evident before we bought him, and in my opinion it would be better for both parties if he moves on. Maupay has also proved to be a mistake, and with the uncertainty surrounding Calvert Lewin our lack of effective forwards is becoming more critical by the day.

Jim, you're probably right though I reckon Maupay could probably do a job in the role Doucoure played last year, a deep second striker. His movement and work rate are good. But I'm hoping we'll see Ndiaye make that role his own.

@28 Phil apart from one outstanding 84/85 season and a very good 85/86 season, Sharpy was never a top goal scorer. A great rounded striker and focal point for the team yes. Also after the 84 final he played in a number of others and failed to hit the target

I think some posters are being really hard on Beto and need to show faith and most of all patience!

The player has experienced his first season in the Premier League and it's a tough ask to show your full ability off the cuff. Let's assess him after his second season and hopefully see some progress.

The lad's a trier and has made progress everywhere he has been. In Serie A, he outscored Abraham and leveled with Lukaku, and they were in far superior teams, so let's not be too hasty, folks.

Matt @ 21, good to see your post mate, hope all is well in the Philippines. See you when and if you come over, be sure to let us know in plenty of time !

Martin Berry 34:

"I think some posters are being really hard on Beto and need to show faith and most of all patience!"

Martin, I think a poster is being "really hard" on Graeme Sharp (as a player).

I would keep both Beto and Calvert-Lewin though we may have sadly reached an impasse with the latter's contract negotiations and this may see money ushering him out of the door.

We need two centre-forwards for a season and — while we all know both didn't score enough last year — they both bring something positive to the team. Whatever happens, it would far too risky to see them both depart.

I'd like to give Beto a chance. Second season and probably more settled and surrounded by better players.

We need to keep Calvert-Lewin, Beto and the young boy from Portugal for the season ahead.

We have one more difficult season ahead of us and then the new Everton Stadium at Bramley-Moore Dock awaits.

Richarlison has rejected a move to Saudi...

Clearly he's waiting for a bid or loan from us.