Moyes unsure ''if a club like Everton can make big huge strides''

Tony Abrahams
1 Posted 20/06/2026 at 07:37:45

Sometimes when I listen to our own Scottish manager, I get the feeling that he doesn't really like Everton Football Club, Alan J.

You can't blame the manager for everything but Glasner and Iraola both stated they were leaving their respective clubs well before last season ended...

Whereas when it comes to David Moyes, I just get a feeling that the current situation at Everton is tailor-made for a limited manager because it is the perfect disguise for his average limitations.

Paul Griffiths
2 Posted 20/06/2026 at 07:53:07

Oh Jeez, Tony.

You got a link? I'll read it after zzzzzz...

Tony Abrahams
3 Posted 20/06/2026 at 08:02:57

If I was techno Paul, I’d have put up a video of the Dylan classic “The times they’re a’changin” in response to Mark’s post, so the best I can do is tell you it’s on newsnow Everton, tight now.

Moyes lays down the gauntlet to TSF, with nothing more than a rib-tickler.

Darren Hind
4 Posted 20/06/2026 at 08:24:00

I don't think Moyes even likes football, Tony, let alone Everton.

I suspect he is a very competent chess player who thought he could earn more money making footy teams play to a tried and trusted formula.

Rogue tradesman.

Darren Hind
5 Posted 20/06/2026 at 08:28:06

I think we should be asking the USA coach what it would take to get him to come and work down by the Mersey.

Paul Griffiths
6 Posted 20/06/2026 at 08:34:37

Darren mate, Moyes is not 'a very competent chess player'. As you know, chess involves making the right moves and moving the bishops in from the flanks.

Darren Hind
7 Posted 20/06/2026 at 08:38:29

I stand corrected, Paul. I'm not a chess man myself.

I thought it was all about gathering the troops around your queen and defending for all you are worth

Paul Griffiths
8 Posted 20/06/2026 at 08:42:33

You know Moyes better than chess mate - it's defending the king ......

Tony Abrahams
9 Posted 20/06/2026 at 08:52:19

Stuck with “The Moysiah”...

Playing in a stadium that is fit for a King!

Dave Lynch
10 Posted 20/06/2026 at 08:57:08

Tony...

I don't think we are stuck with him tbh, a bad start to the season will see him under immense pressure.

The problem is, he will have done the damage by then in the transfer market by wasting money on over-the-hill players.

Michael Kenrick
11 Posted 20/06/2026 at 09:10:58

Good job, lads... that's just wat we need for the weekend, a Moyes slag job!

Give me a mo while I dredge up what it was Tony had been reading...

Steve Brown
12 Posted 20/06/2026 at 09:22:49

“Every Day is Like Sunday” should be Moyes’s theme song, as it sums up how I feel when I watch his teams play.

“This is the coastal town
That they forgot to close down
Armageddon, come Armageddon
Come, Armageddon, come
Everyday is like Sunday
Everyday is silent and grey.”

Michael Kenrick
13 Posted 20/06/2026 at 09:28:55

Jayzus... Not sure which is worse:

Having to listen to the bloody gambling ads in yer face...

Or having to listen to Moyes drone on about Scotland and England...

Paul Griffiths
14 Posted 20/06/2026 at 09:53:44

Steve - Heaven Knows I'm Miserable Now or Panic or Moyes in a Tutu

Mike Allison
15 Posted 20/06/2026 at 10:09:10

Apologies if I’ve missed any comments earlier in the thread, but did Moyes say anything about Patterson during the coverage?

Patterson is clearly a perfectly competent right back, gets forward well and provides a threat and Everton win or draw when he starts.

Yet Moyes has got some Everton fans believing he’s just not good enough and a 6’5” centre back, moving our best midfielder or a 37 year old who’s about to retire and hasn’t been fit for 2 years are better options.

This alone is a microcosm for everything that holds us back when Moyes is manager. We don’t have the resources some other clubs have, but we don’t even maximise the resources we’ve got.

Rob Jones
16 Posted 20/06/2026 at 10:18:39

Fire him.

Steve Brown
17 Posted 20/06/2026 at 10:25:26

A masterclass in spinning failure as success and dumbing down expectations.

Of course, he studied under old Bill.

Paul Hewitt
18 Posted 20/06/2026 at 10:27:07

Why would you bother and sign for us?. If that's the managers attitude then what's the point?

Mike Allison
19 Posted 20/06/2026 at 10:28:07

He just needs to be gone. What are The Friedkins doing?

They alienated Roma fans by sacking too many managers, they’re going to have the Everton fanbase turning on them for keeping Millstone Moyes hanging round our necks.

John Collins
20 Posted 20/06/2026 at 10:28:40

He should be sacked for that statement.
A defeatist preparing next seasons excuses

Michael Kenrick
21 Posted 20/06/2026 at 10:35:20

Hey Mike,

Sorry I've been moving things around. The above video was from Friday lunchtime, so before the Scotland game last night.

I only watched the BBC Highlights but I saw Patterson put in a brilliant cross that Scotland should at least have got on target. I quite like him going forward but admit I am not a good judge of his defensive prowess, or lack thereof.

Dunno if you can get the TalkShite audio of the game to see if he says owt. Probably just sat at home in his cardy, sipping apple juice while watching on the wee telly with Morag by his side.

Kevin Molloy
22 Posted 20/06/2026 at 10:39:19

'I don't think Everton now as a club can make big strides'.
Anyone expecting a net spend over £30m is in for a nasty surprise I'd say.

Eddie Palin
23 Posted 20/06/2026 at 10:48:16

David Moyes could bore an arsehole in a wooden statue.

Rob Beattie
24 Posted 20/06/2026 at 10:50:15

#MoyesOut. please

John Collins
25 Posted 20/06/2026 at 10:51:41

"Moyes: "Well obviously to try and do better than we done last season. We certainly done better last season than we had the previous seasons"

13th last season

2021/22 =11th
2022/23 = 8th
2023/24 = 13th
2024/25 = 11th.

Hes not even a good liar

Dave Lynch
26 Posted 20/06/2026 at 11:01:53

WTF have we done to deserve this man.

Tony Abrahams
27 Posted 20/06/2026 at 11:13:12

That’s the worry Kevin, and why I said that I think the Everton job, is tailor-made for him, mate.

Karl Jones
28 Posted 20/06/2026 at 11:22:34

Shocking attitude...The whole club from youth to first time team wallows in mediocrity and has done for years...No wonder any decent players won't sign for them.

Dave Abrahams
29 Posted 20/06/2026 at 11:24:23

Why would any station, radio or tv, want this boring so and so, to give his opinion on modern football I can’t see how he will attract an audience to listen to him droll on about football.

As for him still being Everton’s manager next season just fills me with misery and utter despair.

John Collins
30 Posted 20/06/2026 at 11:35:21

He played down and dampened Evertonian hopes in return for the Kenwright shilling for all of his time first go as manager.
Hes doing it again for the new minge bags.

David West
31 Posted 20/06/2026 at 11:47:22

Not exactly selling the dream is he ?
Is this what he's going to say to transfer targets? Are they watching this thinking I'd rather go somewhere with a bit more ambition?

Now are our targets to compete with Bournemouth & Brighton?
It should be to compete with city & Arsenal, no matter how hard it may seem, that's the target, not Bournemouth & Brighton.

I know he likes to under promise, play everything down, but you have to give hope, you have to give us something to get on board with, to support.

It's actually depressing, where's the ambition!

Don Alexander
32 Posted 20/06/2026 at 11:48:41

Unhappily dissatisfied whilst this defeatist conman remains in charge.

Kevin Molloy
33 Posted 20/06/2026 at 11:53:56

I'm not one of those who despises Moyes like so many. And I don't think he's safeguarding his own position here (like he may have done in the past). Let's face it, he gets paid whatever happens. I think he's speaking in code (he can't be open and start complaining about the lack of money or he'd be let go immediately). He's telling the fans that there's not much budget, and that the leadership see us occupying the Brighton Bournemouth area, and no intention of investing to go higher.

Andy Meighan
34 Posted 20/06/2026 at 12:00:29

He should have been sacked after the Spurs game.

But no weve got gobshites like Kinnear and his inane comments commending the miserable bastard.

I always get the feeling with Moyes that he thinks hes doing us a favour by managing us.

I remember when he was United boss and slagged our fan base off with comments like they should be grateful to me for all I done there, er excuse me but what exactly did you do, one cup final in which he tried to defend a 1st minute goal for the entire game.

Couple of seasons in Europe where we reached one quarter final, do me a favour you're embarrassing and I wish youd go but not a prayer you will while the invisibles are in situ.

Alan McGuffog
35 Posted 20/06/2026 at 12:07:21

So, David, the club that you are the manager of cannot make huge strides. At least you are honest. So I'm expecting you to forego your huge salary and say that you can't continue as you've taken the team as far as it can go. Good luck for the future Mr Moyes. You won't be missed.

Paul Clements
36 Posted 20/06/2026 at 12:12:34

Those comments on comparing us with Bournemouth & Brentford should be a good enough reason alone to sack this loser.
He's never learned from the Knife to a gun fight statement has he.
Its basically what Dyche did by saying he's taken us as far as he could with out having the bottle just to say it.

I thought we'd see what TFG's real ambitions were in the way of player tradings, but its more about if this absolute cowards still in a job for the start of the season.

Gavin Johnson
37 Posted 20/06/2026 at 12:12:35

Geez...That's up there with the, we're bringing knives to gunfight quote.

Everton should be making strides and at least matching a club like Aston Villa, the club we are most similar to in history, size and honours.

Matching the likes of Brentford and Bournemouth is just the goal for next season. Moyes makes it sound like that's the best we can be.

Raymond Fox
38 Posted 20/06/2026 at 12:18:09

We do need a change of manager, not that I'm dead against him.
It's gone stale, he's a competent manager but has become dull, we don't want to swap him for some wet behind the ears chancer though.
There's always that danger of relegation lurking in the background, we have only just escaped its clutches for a good few seasons now.

We need 2 or 3 more quality players to drag us further up the table and we will probably have to buy them because our scouts rarely find any quality unknown bargains.

Tony Abrahams
39 Posted 20/06/2026 at 12:24:48

I’m not sure Everton, ever reached a European quarter final whilst David Moyes was our manager, Andy?

David got us to one cup final, two fa cup semifinals, one league cup semifinal, but I don’t think we have ever got past the last sixteen in Europe, since the European ban?

I could understand Moyes’s frustration with those Everton fans, singing stuck with Moyes, Man Utd, playing football the negative way though, because thousands of Evertonians, stayed behind after his last game in charge of Everton, just a few months earlier, and gave him a hero’s reception, for helping them to understand that the lowering of expectations, had nothing to do with David Moyes.

Mick O\\\'Malley
40 Posted 20/06/2026 at 12:29:28

Paul G I'm a big Smiths fan so how about Girlfriend in a coma but we can change it to supporters in a coma,or I started something I can't finish or stop me if you think you've heard this one before The Smiths have plenty of lyrics to describe dour Davie
Were getting our expectations dumbed down for the start of the season

Christy Ring
41 Posted 20/06/2026 at 12:52:04

The reason we won't make strides, is because Moyes is still in charge. He has no ambition, with seven games to go we were not only pushing for Europe, but Champions League as well, and we went free fall and we were absolutely atrocious, until the end of the season, and what did Moyes do, absolutely nothing, never changed team, formation or tactics, his substitutions were embarrassing, he never gave Armstrong, George, even Dibling and Patterson a chance. When asked by the media, was he surprised the fans were angry and disappointed, he said YES! That's a manager who is arrogant and thinks his job is safe, and can't be touched.

Jack Convery
42 Posted 20/06/2026 at 12:53:49

The Moyesiah will always be dour. However, he may be trying to indicate that TFG are not interested in real success, they just want stability and becoming a club that emulates the buy low sell high model of the three Bs, is their aim. Well if that's the case, TFG need to do one too. Everton is not a 3Bs type of club. We were and should be again, an elite club and only owners, who want to emulate an institution that wins League titles, Cups and European trophys is good enough.

Always, Nil Satis Nisi Optimum and not "Oh That will Do" and let's count the dollars.

I suppose, what it all means, is that Branthwaite and N'Diaye will be going this summer.

Andy Meighan
43 Posted 20/06/2026 at 12:56:25

Sorry Tony.

But I thought the Fiorentina games were the quarter final, but you're probably right it must have been the round before.

Still managed to lose that tie too.

Kunal Desai
44 Posted 20/06/2026 at 13:01:10

Delusional Davey is back again with a vengance soon after he slated the fans.

Fella is here for one last pay day. Get him gone.

Kunal Desai
45 Posted 20/06/2026 at 13:09:26

Fiorentina was a quarter final tie back in 2008.

John Chambers
46 Posted 20/06/2026 at 13:16:08

Agree we need to be exhibiting more ambition but can we at least get the facts right. John #25, not sure where you got those finishing positions from, we were 16th, 17th, 15th and 13th in those seasons.

Gaute Lie
47 Posted 20/06/2026 at 13:26:43

Sorry. Dont trust Moyes anymore.
Hes got no ambition for Everton anymore, cant progress players.

Hes not all bad, but when youngsters leave it has a reason.

I hope he resigns now, so a new manager can have some time with the team before the start of next season.

Darren Hind
48 Posted 20/06/2026 at 13:31:45

He was looking for a job and he found a job

And heaven knows I'm miserable now

Ian Wilkins
49 Posted 20/06/2026 at 13:36:11

Dear God, ‘not sure a club like Everton can make huge strides’, but hold on Bournemouth, Brentford ( and newly promoted Sunderland) just did, ‘perhaps we could aspire to be more like them’.
This just about sums it all up.
A complete and utter lack of ambition from our Manager, and our Owners who let him/ encourage him to spout this non stop negative drawl.
If this is their vision and outlook then how are we ever going to progress beyond mediocrity, we simply cant.
On separate point, thought Patterson was poor last night and imo demonstrated why successive managers haven’t picked him.

John Collins
50 Posted 20/06/2026 at 13:38:35

John Chambers.

Your right mate,just checked, a website gave me those finishes. 👍

Jim Bennings
51 Posted 20/06/2026 at 13:44:28

Losers mentality remains fully intact unfortunately.

Moyes with this statement tells me nothing will change next season, the silence from the Friedkins tells me even more.

We are a club happy with the underdog tags, keep it status quo.

Nothing will change.

How dare a club like Everton get under the noses of the mighty Bournemouth and Brentford.

Kevin Naylor
52 Posted 20/06/2026 at 13:56:51

The Red Shite wouldn't put up with this loser and would not have had him re-installed in the first place.

They sacked a Premier League winner after one year while we continue to employ someone who just wants you to give the game up.

Mick O\\\'Malley
53 Posted 20/06/2026 at 14:07:17

Like it, Darren. Andy, that game was so long ago its acceptable to forget what round it was.

It's unbelievable that the last time we qualified for Europe was under Koeman, 8 or 9 years ago, that's disgraceful for a club with a fan base like ours.

No cup final since 2009 but plenty of mid-table finishes and a few relegation fights to keep us interested.

Paul Smith
54 Posted 20/06/2026 at 14:21:11

Disgraceful comments.

Why would anyone spend their dough watching a team who are going fuckin nowhere before the season has even started.

John Collins
55 Posted 20/06/2026 at 14:24:02

Is it such a strange concept that people don't want their little corner of the world to become London? To be just one minority among many?

Are we including the Jocks, Welsh and Northern Irish in that group? Spanish, Italian, Scandinavian, EU citizens?

Phillip Warrington
56 Posted 20/06/2026 at 14:29:22

Okay but who do people think could replace Moyes? Realistic options given the previous managers before Moyes, and given we have no European football, whoever takes over will have to rebuild if they want to be in Europe.

I live in Australia, so off the beat when it comes to alternative managers, but I have supported Everton for 55 years and can only think of one period when we have dominated -- and that was the same time English clubs got banned from Europe.

Had that not happened, I feel we could have dominated for few more years and maybe today would be a different story. After that happened, I believe our owners tried just to stay in the Premier League rather than chasing glory, so we became a team chasing the Top 10 rather than winning the Premier League.

So, do we stick with Moyes, who will keep us in the Premier League for another season, and who did win a European trophy with West Ham?

Or do we appoint another manager and blood youth with the chance of being relegated or fighting relegation all over again?

Bear in mind, although I could be wrong, but I could not see highly talented youngsters coming to Everton -- no matter who is managing Everton at the present time. For me, I can't really make my mind up either way... it's a real 50-50.

Bill Gall
57 Posted 20/06/2026 at 14:45:41

Just maybe if we averaged Bournemouth home attendance of 11,175
from last season, or Brentford average of 17185, the owners may finally realize how far Everton have fallen, and just how lucky they are to have such a loyal fan-base at Evertons games, and that with a manager with no ambition will slowly lower the average, and that means less income,and that appears to be the only thing that the new owners understand.

Dale Self
58 Posted 20/06/2026 at 14:49:33

Rob, John and Rob hit the right tone and Ian points out the loser language:

"I don't know if...but...there is no reason we all shouldn't have those ambitions to try..."

These are the words, weasel words of a man with no plan. Make that a man-weasel.

On St. Daniel the Absent's cue, Moyes is assuming a club spokesperson role that is damaging our reputation by the interview. He is in the States and people are inviting him to say stuff, knowing this. This is now a leadership failure.

With all due remaining respect Dan, wherever you are, if you came here to make money, your pursuit just became a Sisyphean one.

Dale Self
59 Posted 20/06/2026 at 15:00:10

He fucking had a chance to properly put Ndiaye in the window, saying how much we need him in our push up the table (without mentioning Europe explicitly). We need him at his best with a few additions, blah, blah.

Instead, he just simultaneously surrendered some of the premium and increased Ndiaye's desire to leave. That's about 10 mill on you Dan.

Mike Summers
60 Posted 20/06/2026 at 15:07:22

Kunal @45

Fiorentina was last 16, we have never reached a European quarter under Moyes although he stated we had in an interview on TV whilst at West Ham

Terry Farrell
61 Posted 20/06/2026 at 15:14:48

GO NOW.
Sick of the condescending defeatist attitude square pegs in round holes appalling use of the squad and subs and careful what you wish for mantra. No wonder Illy is looking for a move. Negativity is toxic.M

Steve Brown
62 Posted 20/06/2026 at 15:20:03

Interesting to remember that we have 3 former managers at the World Cup - and I don’t mean in charge of Cape Verde.

Koeman with Holland, Martinez with Portugal and Ancelotte with Brazil.

So for the love of god, let’s not read any posts questioning who would take Moyes’s place. Not in a summer that has seen Iraola, Glasner, Rose Terzic, Alonso, Mourinho, Silva, Sage, McKenna, Inigo Perez, Pochettino, Filipe Lius and Deschamps all changing jobs.

TFG have been totally complacent.

Pat Byrne
63 Posted 20/06/2026 at 15:20:42

I have looked at all the TV pundits working at this world cup, David Moyes is the only current premiership manager that I can see working with Jim White. I am open to correction on this, would he not be better served working on new players required and contract renewals for this crucial upcoming season. I know this can be done remotely but surely face to face discussions with intended targets laying out his plans is better.

Alan J Thompson
64 Posted 20/06/2026 at 15:37:04

So if Bournemouth and Brentford finish 19th and 20th and we finish 18th then Moyes will see it as a successful season and has no idea how to improve performances other than "we dunn good".

John Collins
65 Posted 20/06/2026 at 15:47:27

Pat,

If he lays out his plans no ambitious player will join us.
Leave him where he is.

Paul Kossoff
66 Posted 20/06/2026 at 15:50:18

I am sorry, but if I was the owner, looking for millions to be invested in my club and the manager said this, then he's in my office or on a plane to the states, to see me and get sacked. Off you go with a large pay off between your legs.

John Collins
67 Posted 20/06/2026 at 15:53:24

Unless the owners wrote the script Paul

Darren Hind
68 Posted 20/06/2026 at 15:58:04

Your surely not suggesting that Moyes is toeing the line just to keep that 5m salary rolling in John ?

Perish the thought

Rob Jones
69 Posted 20/06/2026 at 16:02:42

We're clearly not a priority to TFG, just a depressed asset that will retain value so long as we're not relegated.

Thoroughly depressing few months since the Chelsea match (which should be re-examined in terms of what followed for them after). Losing targets to the likes of Leeds, losing the best of our future prospects, our manager prioritising his media pundit role, our board prioritising their other investments.

Patterson, Graham and others are getting proper game time for their countries, but being left to stagnate on our bench and youth systems respectively.

Moyes is damning himself right now with both his actions and his words, but the club as a whole are sleepwalking towards disaster. Our midtable rivals (depressing thought) are strengthening, and we're doing less than nothing, with the likes of the Bobble giving them PR and pretending that we're trying our best when we're doing fuck all.

James Newcombe
70 Posted 20/06/2026 at 16:08:43

So we’ve lost before we started again! Inspirational stuff.

Andrew Merrick
71 Posted 20/06/2026 at 16:09:34

David Moyes is damaging the club brand, if he had the balls of Dyche he'd fall on his sword.
If Tfg have eyes and ears then they should respond in a business like manner, move him on, or sideways til his contract expires, or he resigns.
New guy needed at the soonest, enough is enough.

Ian Pilkington
72 Posted 20/06/2026 at 16:10:09

My anger at Moyes not being sacked after the disgraceful end to the season has doubled have hearing about this.

In the first place it is inconceivable that our absentee owners (who pay him far more than he is worth) allowed him to join Talksport for the duration of the World Cup, whilst he should be working hard on transfers at Finch Farm.

At least Dyche was honest enough to admit that he could take the squad no further, instead this miserable, greedy mediocrity of a manager has finally shown his clearly long held contempt for us, the supporters who have kept going for years in the belief that our great club would return to its natural place in the elite of English football.

I renewed our season tickets purely to retain our seats in the hope that he would be sacked, but with the recent comments from Kinnear (another useless signing) and the continued absence of the Friedkins, I am totally disgusted.

Jimmy Hardacre
73 Posted 20/06/2026 at 16:43:19

Is he kidding us? What a defeatest this clown is... it shows in the game plans and his tacticks for every game.

Obviously he thinks footballing giants like Bournemouth and Crystal Palace are what to aim for. Look at last season, the soft statements made about Tottenham and Newcastle show why this clown is past -- and I mean well past his sell-by date. Get rid now.

Mick O\\\'Malley
74 Posted 20/06/2026 at 17:03:41

Ian that's a passionate post and there's nothing I can disagree with, it breaks my heart the way we've become, just accepting a place in the PL, the Everton I grew up watching and the stories my dad told me we were the best and the biggest

John Collins
75 Posted 20/06/2026 at 17:34:31

Ian,

In a nutshell mate.
Moyes is interested in Moyes.
He played the court jester to Kenwrights reign in return for wages the club couldn't afford

Andy Walker
76 Posted 20/06/2026 at 17:46:09

Perhaps some of the posters on here could explain why they are so sure Everton can make big huge strides.

What Moyes said is realistic, he didn’t say we couldn’t and he didn’t say we could. Perfectly reasonable.

John Collins
77 Posted 20/06/2026 at 17:48:17

By playing proper football?

Andy Walker
78 Posted 20/06/2026 at 18:00:22

What John? By ‘playing proper football' Everton could make big huge strides?

Please do tell us what ‘playing proper football' would involve and what stops all the other teams in the Premier League from ‘playing proper football' so they too would also make big huge strides, if it's that simple???

Gavin Johnson
79 Posted 20/06/2026 at 18:21:04

Maybe he's downplaying the aspiration after seeing his transfer budget for this summer...?!

Darren Hind
80 Posted 20/06/2026 at 18:21:52

Our team cant make huge strides until they sack this surrender monkey

John Collins
81 Posted 20/06/2026 at 18:24:20

No problem Andy.

If you play attacking front foot football, without fear you will improve your league position.
Similar to Brighton, Brentford, Bournemouth etc.

Ajay Gopal
82 Posted 20/06/2026 at 18:30:40

At least Moshiri showed ambition for a while by trying to compete with the big clubs. Yes, he was brought down to earth pretty quickly thanks to his poor managerial recruitments, but at least he dared to dream. The silence from the new owners is ridiculous and emboldening Moyes to make such damaging statements. I am fearful of our upcoming season and won’t be surprised if we are dragged into a battle at the bottom because everyone else is strengthening with better players and managers. I haven’t felt so pessimistic about an upcoming season since the end and of the season when Ancelotti abandoned us for Real Madrid.

Mark Ryan
83 Posted 20/06/2026 at 18:42:54

Moyes out

Si Cooper
84 Posted 20/06/2026 at 18:59:42

Andy Walker, it’s dead simple. Instead of saying ‘don’t know if a club like Everton could’ you say ‘I can’t see why a club like Everton couldn’t’. See the difference?

Kevin Molloy, taking on a shift from Neil are you? He’s speaking in code? How about he has some principles that can’t be bought and simply walks away from a job where the management aren’t allowing him to do the job as it must be done?

Fed up with Moyes, even more fed up with his apologists… and no I’m not sure who his replacement should be just that there has to be some hope that someone at the club actually has the ambition to match that of the motto and the supporters.

Oh, and I too thought Patterson’s overall performance last night was nothing particularly special and his cross was played behind where it needed to be.

Alan McGuffog
85 Posted 20/06/2026 at 19:12:56

Basic psychology really. The sort of thing that Clough and dare I say it Shankly were masters of.
At Agincourt imagine Henry V
" look lads we haven't a hope, have a go but don't worry if we get stuffed, we aren't in the same league as this lot "

Kevin Molloy
86 Posted 20/06/2026 at 19:30:51

I don't know why people are so wound up. it's not like we've been bumping along at the bottom for thirty years, only to somehow finally emerge out of the tunnel with a new billion pound stadium only to be told it won't make any difference, and that our place is with Bournemouth and Brentford and their ten thousand pound stadia.

Jim Bennings
87 Posted 20/06/2026 at 19:45:50

I'm waiting for on the eve of the new season a soundbite from Kinnear something along the following

"It's been a really hard transfer window what with the World Cup"

And Moyes on August 22nd after a loss to Palace

"We aren't ready for the new season at all"

See if I'm right.

Jay Lewis
88 Posted 20/06/2026 at 19:57:08

I swear this fucking idiot is giving me Tourette's.

Why is he not gone yet, for fuck's sake!!

Kevin Molloy
89 Posted 20/06/2026 at 19:57:32

He'll make the point that just missing out on Europe probably also didn't help as well, Jim. Players just didn't want to come and, with the World Cup, they were able to pick clubs offering Europe.

But we invested in youth last year, and those players are expected to play a much bigger part next season.

Pete Neilson
90 Posted 20/06/2026 at 20:10:05

Arsene Wenger “It is better to fail aiming high than to succeed aiming low.”

Alex Ferguson “At some point in my life, the desire and need to win outstripped my fear of failure.”

Emery first interview at Villa “Play for Europe, play for trophies.”

Sean Herbert
91 Posted 20/06/2026 at 20:28:00

Andy @ 76, if you consider what Moyes said is perfectly reasonable then you clearly have no ambition either. Since when did any Evertonian accept such a defeatist attitude?

Just accept that your hero is a loser and is only in charge for the money he is stealing from Everton.

If you believe Moyes words ting true, could you explain why the likes of Sunderland were able to make such strides, but little old Moyes led Everton can't?

Maybe because they have a manager with a plan and tactics that aren't archaic? Maybe there manager has a vision? Or, just maybe,
there manager has a belief in his team, unlike the boring, dinosaur we currently have in charge?

Oliver Molloy
92 Posted 20/06/2026 at 20:41:30

Kieran Mc Kenna !!!!!!!!

David West
93 Posted 20/06/2026 at 20:46:34

You only have to read this thread now to know he's lost the majority of fans, TW maybe a snapshot, but I've not spoken to 1 blue who has argued he should continue as manager.
The ground next season will be hard for Moyes, how do you win over the majority?

Win every game ?
Not happening!
Play boss attractive football?
Can't see that !
Build an exciting team to get the fans out their seats, even if don't win every game ?
Come on please !!
Esemble a young emerging team full of potential, playing the young talent you have ?
Really !!!

It's not going to happen, he's not winning over the fans, so it's a matter of when, not if !

It's all just a waste, a waste of a summer, a pre season, a transfer window, transfer funds, young players development time, fans patience, not to mention hard earned money & dedication to turn up week in weekout, knowing he's probably gome by Xmas!!

If you can't make "any great strides" then do the honourable thing, if you genuinely have an affinity for the club, and it's best intrests at heart, move aside for someone who can make great strides, or at least believes they can !

Jay Harris
94 Posted 20/06/2026 at 20:59:22

Starting to warm to Pochettino.

Experienced but good with youth.

Steve Byles
95 Posted 20/06/2026 at 21:07:24

After the shit end to the season, our Davey dampens all our hopes even more. The last 7 games were entirely on him, and I’d like an explanation from the manager who so clearly fucked up our season. Please Friedkins, remove this loser.

Jay Lewis
96 Posted 20/06/2026 at 21:17:10

Andy @76

"What Moyes said is realistic, he didn't say we couldn't and he didn't say we could. Perfectly reasonable."

And there you have it: mediocrity mindset at its finest!

Oliver Molloy
97 Posted 20/06/2026 at 21:18:13

Pochettino ?, well, they could probably afford him - would he come - would he fuck!

Sean Kearns
98 Posted 20/06/2026 at 21:28:53

I believe the owners use Moyes as a puppet and have told him to spill such a rhetoric, like how they told him to throw our European league position last season. He's basically saying we aren't going to sign mega stars or do huge business in the transfer window, they are probably reading all the fan discontent on websites such as this and are tempering expectations.

Also what Moyes said is true as the Premier League is rigged and the corruption with VAR would never allow us to finish in the top 4. (See how many pens we get etc)… so he's not wrong…. I also believe it's hard for a club like us to make huge strides, but not because of lack of ambition. But because the Premier League simply won't let it happen. He's not wrong like.

Brendan McLaughlin
99 Posted 20/06/2026 at 21:29:06

David #93

You missed the big one... Keep TFG sweet

Don't think Davey is going anywhere soon.

Oliver Molloy
100 Posted 20/06/2026 at 21:42:52

Sean,
can you imagine any potential target reading what Moyes said - hardly fill them with confidence to maybe sign for us if there are other options - this is exactly why Ndiaye is open to a move don't you think?

The man is so uninspiring.

David West
101 Posted 20/06/2026 at 21:58:11

Sean 98.
Read this thread. There's no need for "tempering expectations " we have zero confidence in this manager achieving anything that remotely resembles success.

What expectations need tempering?
We might want to do better than Bournemouth & Brighton next season?
Too fucking right we do !!!

Paul Griffiths
102 Posted 20/06/2026 at 22:31:20

Sean Kearns (98):

‘I believe the owners … told him to throw our European league position last season’.

‘ … they are probably reading all the fan discontent on websites such as this … ‘

‘I also believe it’s hard for a club like us to make huge strides, but not because of lack of ambition. But because the premier league simply won’t let it happen’.

🤣😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂😂

Paul Clements
103 Posted 20/06/2026 at 22:34:13

Sean 98

It's obvious that we haven't had a fair rub of the green with VAR but to suggest that's why we won't make the top 4 is ridiculous. Villa, a very similar size club with history and a large fan base have proven that, why would the Premier League except them to break the so-called Big 6 or even Newcastle and not us?

An ambitious manager and decent recruitment go along way, Villa were a club not all that long ago in the championship, You make you're own luck. Far too many conspiracies there when the facts stare you in the face... the manager is negative and not up to the job.

And as for TFG getting Moyes to throw European football for what reason? Roma got in the Champions League, we were never getting there under Moyes.

Paul Griffiths
104 Posted 20/06/2026 at 22:35:30

'We certainly done better last season than we had the previous seasons'.

A deluded manipulator of the truth and/or desperate warped appeal to St Daniel the Absent and Saint Angus the Silent.

We spent around £160M and ended up in the same position as the season before with a worse goal difference and -- where was the parade? -- one more point.

Frankie McGrath
105 Posted 20/06/2026 at 22:35:37

David @ 31 - exactly this, totally agree.

Sean Kearns
106 Posted 20/06/2026 at 22:39:04

Throwing Europe was brought up by a few on here last week and somebody posted figures about being able to spend more on transfers if we didn't qualify, and it all made sense all of a sudden.

I don't know who it was, but someone posted such info on a thread here recently.

Paul Clements
107 Posted 20/06/2026 at 22:47:13

Sean (Kearns)

Next time you see them writing this nonsense, tell them the American government weren't responsible for 9/11, it was a bunch of peed off Muslims.
🤣🤣🤣🤣

Paul Griffiths
108 Posted 20/06/2026 at 22:52:47

Funny that, I am reasonably regular on here and cannot remember anyome coming out with that rubbish: 'I believe the owners … told him to throw our European league position last season’.

It's the sort of thing that I would most certainly remember because it's so nutty crazy 🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂😂

If in the slimmest of very very very slimmer than slim chances some crazed frothing muppet did say something along these lines, then you might need to tweak your gullibility radar Mr. K.

Paul Clements
109 Posted 20/06/2026 at 22:57:48

Paul Griffiths

Love it mate, Germany are winning but I'm still laughing 🤣🤣🤣

Paul Griffiths
110 Posted 20/06/2026 at 23:07:16

Not many seem to get the point that Moyes is going nowhere with these 'let them get on with it over there' owners who bought a stadium not a club.

Sorry, I got out of order and I posted this to a much earlier post before pressing refresh.

Andrew Merrick
111 Posted 20/06/2026 at 23:21:48

Paul 108
I don't think anyone is suggesting we threw our european ambition because it made economic sense, but I think there was a point made in the debate about the difference in psr ratios between prem and fifa, whereby we might actually be better off in regard to tranfer budget.
A pretty vague concept and not worth over thinking.

Paul Griffiths
112 Posted 20/06/2026 at 23:28:18

Cheers Andrew - 111 - that helps a lot to put more depth into this. I do remember that point being made.

That is not what Mr. K had in mind, needless to say, as he believes that our owners pulled the plug on Europe. How? David, we're in a great place for Europe with seven games to go, please make sure that we lose most of those games and don't win any.

Sean Kearns
113 Posted 20/06/2026 at 23:49:44

That is in fact the comment I was referring to… I believe the poster had figures that involved 72% being able to be spent on transfers if we didn’t qualify, as opposed to 40 something percent if we did qualify. Those are vague number I remember seeing but it was in the last week on another thread. They mentioned the American board sitting around and crunching numbers to make Moyes throw Europe. Those weren’t my original thoughts.

Paul Griffiths
114 Posted 20/06/2026 at 00:00:06

Ha ha ha! I just knew that was coming (113). You owe Andrew a pint Mr. K.

More fun: 'They mentioned the American board sitting around and crunching numbers to make Moyes throw Europe'. 🤣😂😂😂😂

Mark Wynne
115 Posted 20/06/2026 at 00:02:14

More expectation management and dampening down hopes and it isn’t even July. I don’t know how anyone can be satisfied with this. Maybe his salary should be restructured to reflect his ambition.

Paul Clements
116 Posted 20/06/2026 at 00:27:40

Mark

You can't expect David Moyes to work for minimum wage he's got a European pedigree you know.

Paul Griffiths
117 Posted 20/06/2026 at 00:33:07

They did it in December and they are doing it again now Mark (115).

We've been told that there is some sort of stage two coming into operation over the summer. The TFG organisation have been involved for more than a month now in Rome with Roma's executives planning for transfer targets. I don't know for sure, but I believe that there have been no such meetings in Liverpool.

The stench of unhappiness even desperation is rife on this thread, although, on cue, Andy Walker pops up and then disappears.

Silence and absence does not help at all in this situation. TFG are not silent and absent in Rome. Yanks do not seem to get us and our culture where we expect communication. We are not a 'franchise' that can be taken elsewhere at the drop of a hat. We are historically and profoundly embedded in the place where we began founded by people for people not billionaires.

The longer the silence and the longer the absence the deeper the unhappiness will become.

That's Everton 101 Saint Daniel the Absent and Saint Angus the Silent.

Remember, we are a club with culture and tradition first and a stadium second.

Anyone else remember Saint Daniel the Absent's scripted and cheap watery words written by a junior staffer about getting and respecting and supporting our 'tradition' and 'culture' when we changed hands?

Oh, and lest we forget, we have our crack recruitment team in place now. The problem is that we need to buy like one of the three B's and not like Man City. We would have done much better for us if we had poached a recruitment guru from Brighton, Bournemouth, or Brentford.

Liam Mogan
118 Posted 21/06/2026 at 01:44:14

It's Moyes actual job to improve us and get us excited.

Don't think the prick gives us a second thought.

He lives by some 2nd rate measure that he wants us to accept. Do one you stupid twat.

Ron Marr
119 Posted 21/06/2026 at 04:39:56

Moyes watering down expectations again. What a useless gobshite. Problem is we have Kinnear who describes Moyes as a World Class Manager. Kinnear is BK 2.0 a consummate bullshitter. What will it take for TFG to wake up and make some changes? Start the season like last season ended and the stadium half empty in the second half?

Laurie Hartley
120 Posted 21/06/2026 at 06:45:55

If TFG are happy to plug away in mid table and think our current manager will achieve I think that they are in for a very rude awakening. He will have us in a relegation battle by Christmas and the fan base will completely turn on him and them.

They should roll the dice now and get a young enthusiastic manager in - someone with a bit of fight in them.

Andy Walker
121 Posted 21/06/2026 at 07:25:48

This echo chamber of a certain group of fans with a chip on their shoulder, don’t want to hear reality, they want spin, hyperbole, fantasy.

If it wasn't for TFG our club may well have been relegated or worse still completed dissolved.

We still have a financial legacy to deal with, indeed it could be argued it’s not even a legacy since we were recently lost a £20- £25 million court case brought by Burnley.

We don’t have a great, or even good squad of players. I bet Moyes knows this and I also bet he knows he can’t improved the squad as he would like due to financial constraints.

The fantasists on here need to calm down and get behind the manager who saved our club from relegation when he came in. Sure we had a bad end to the season, although people forget we would have beaten City if it wasn’t for a last kick of the game worldy. But the main reason for the bad end to the season was the lack of depth in our squad. No decent right back - Patterson can’t defend, Branthwaite injured, a below average left back, Ndaiye completely out of form, Grealish out, a couple of below average forwards and a core of first choices basically knackered, as they’d played nearly every game of the season. We needed to rotate players but didn’t have the resources.

It may function as personal cathartic release to come on this site for some, which has now become a niche for bitterness towards our manager, but it’s fantasy to think our club could suddenly make huge leaps forward if we changed our manager. The underlying financial challenges will still remain.

We need a few years of stability which will lead to growth. Patience, not hyperbole is needed.

Paul Griffiths
122 Posted 21/06/2026 at 07:36:33

Juventus apparently prepared to let Jonathan David go for 26 million.

Malcolm Kitchen
123 Posted 21/06/2026 at 07:39:27

Totally agree Dave (10) and Mike (14) and people who said Moyes out totally agree. No. 35 was great.
So many posts trying to remember them.
I've said a few times 'Moyes is sucking the life out of Everton Football Club' I think that sums it up pretty well. I'm fairly new here btw. I've read TW many times in the past, but not shown much in last 4 years, except recently! Cheers. M ps. Spot on Laurie (120) perfect summing up!!!

Ian Bennett
124 Posted 21/06/2026 at 07:49:05

Paul, someone will get a good player for that.

Absolutely right Andy. Judge it when players have come in and out. I understand the disappointment of the end of the season. But what last season showed is the league is competitive. There isn't 6 teams and the rest anymore.

A team can a achieve things with a moderate number of players achieving more than the rest. Moyes might have less in the supporter bank than the prior season, so the pressure is on to deliver better. That is no bad thing.

Paul Griffiths
125 Posted 21/06/2026 at 08:22:39

That's right Ian - 124. Beto and Barry are so much better than David. But 26 milliion is where we shop for a striker. Meanwhile, Tory Parrott - 25 million - languishes at Alkmaar.

Who are your 'realistic' striker buys IB?

Steve Brown
126 Posted 21/06/2026 at 08:40:25

Actually Andy @ 121, I think it is your good self who is deluded.

Let’s go through your “points” one at a time:

1) We still have a financial legacy to deal with - our debt has been already been restructured into low interest long-term loans securitised against the stadium.
2) We don’t have a great, or even good squad of players - we spent £114 million net on squad transfers last summer to finish in a worse league position than we did the season before.
3) I also bet he knows he can’t improved the squad as he would like due to financial constraints - the new SCR formula allows us to spend 85% of football related revenue, which in Everton’s case could be circa £150 millon available to spend this summer.
4) But the main reason for the bad end to the season was the lack of depth in our squad - it was Moyes’s reliance on 14-15 older players that led to the bad end of the season.
5) Get behind the manager who saved our club from relegation - LMAO. It was Dyche who saved us from relegation.

Put simply, you are full of excuses. And there is nothing lower than insulting your fellow fans to defend a failing manager.

Last season was a failure as the league table shows.

Terry Downes
127 Posted 21/06/2026 at 08:42:12

Personally i’d have Richy back for 25mill wouldn’t hesitate proven in premier league guaranteed to get you goals ?
As for Moyes he’s like a tick on an elephants arse once he’s in he’s very hard to get out !

Gerard Carey
128 Posted 21/06/2026 at 08:43:20

Basically its Moyes dampening down expectations for next season before it starts.
Its another version of his "knife to a gunfight".
If we keep our status quo in the premiership, as in finishing anywhere between 8th and 14th it will be seen as continued success!!!.
Moyes is happy, owners are happy. Stadium gets more use as in concerts, extra events etc etc...!!!.
I for one thought Moyes Mk 2 might have changed with experience, but sadly a leopard dosent change so as long as he's left in charge we will be threading water like a buoy bopping up and down in the water, and going nowhere. Sad really, for all supporters, those old enough to remember winning leagues, cups and European nights. And our younger supporters, starved of success but still willing to turn up home and away.

Mike Kehoe
129 Posted 21/06/2026 at 08:50:06

Andy 121 spot on, if we had a half decent forward we would be in Europe

Paul Griffiths
130 Posted 21/06/2026 at 09:02:08

Well done Steve - 126. Andy clutch straws Walker will do anything to make Moyes look cream rather than grey. This goes back nearly two decades now.

Laurie Hartley
131 Posted 21/06/2026 at 09:10:16

Andy # 121 - as a football fan I want to feel optimistic and enthusiastic about my football club otherwise whats the point? Immediately after the Chelsea game I experienced both those emotions - then reality set in.

As far as TFG are concerned I think they are in it for financial gain - what their angle is I don’t know but they will have one. They are certainly not in it for the same reasons as the 49,000 Evertonians that turned up at every home game last season.

I still hope we will have good transfer window and season but every time I listen to our current manager I feel totally deflated.

Tony Abrahams
132 Posted 21/06/2026 at 09:57:29

I was getting told about a video made by Bolton Wanderers, showing the Sam Allardyce, years.

Bolton are playing Preston, in a playoff final and it shows a clip of the Preston manager being interviewed.

I haven’t seen this video but was getting told it went something like; just for Preston, just to be in this position is a remarkable achievement in itself (or words to that affect) and needless to say it was Bolton, who got promoted.

There is a poster or two doing the rounds right now because of Moyes’s transcript yesterday and the thing that struck me the most was the one about how we had been looking forward to a fresh beginning in our new stadium for years, and this is in danger of having the life sucked out of it already.

Moyes needs more players? Moyes simply wouldn’t have a clue what to do if he was given a big squad of capable experienced footballers, imo, but it’s these silent owners that are depressing me even more than the manager right now.

Mark Taylor
133 Posted 21/06/2026 at 10:13:36

In any successful football club, the goals and ambitions of the owners and manager have to be closely aligned.

Are they here? Is our benchmark clubs like Bournemouth and Brentford, when we possess a stadium 3 to 4 times bigger? I'm finding serious cognitive dissonance between what I hear from our manager and for example, Mike G's assessment of our owners' ambitions.

If I had to choose, my fear is that Moyes' 'we're heading nowhere' is closer to the truth.

John Collins
134 Posted 21/06/2026 at 10:25:56

Andy 121.

Any relation to Mike?
You appear to have similar knowledge on football as him

Sean Kelly
135 Posted 21/06/2026 at 10:30:35

There’s a vacuum at this club. Owners but no leadership. The silent and disinterested Friedkins are just like real estate agents just looking at the bottom line. Meanwhile the vacuum has been filled with the most depressing prick on the planet. He knows he’s on to a good thing at Everton. I think I might have to do a Friedkin and bail out til the pricks are gone. Just for my own sanity. Whatever few years I have left I want to enjoy and not have the life sucked out of me. I reckon Moyes has told the Friedkins “ I’ve got this and I will put a lid on expectations”

Brian Harrison
136 Posted 21/06/2026 at 10:31:28

I would imagine John Moores would be turning in his grave listening to the comments from Moyes about competing with Brighton and Bournemouth. I am also losing faith in TFG in their ambitions for this club. It seems we have moved into a mansion but cant even afford a new set of tea towels never mind any furniture.

Dave Lynch
137 Posted 21/06/2026 at 10:49:38

Ot appears that only us fans have expectations for our club.

The owners are apathetic and Moyes will thrive on that, for years, as fans, we've been kept in the dark about the clubs buisness model and future goals.

Mike G was waxing lyrically about how USA owners will transform us, as they are winners and will have big ambitions for the club.

I see nothing but stagnation and lack of ambition from owners and manager, Moyes will not rock the boat out of pure self preservation, he did it first time around and history is repeating itself.

Every club he's been at, barr us, the fans have hounded him out but we have this mindset of "thats kopite behaviour"...we're Everton!

The reality is...Everton are losers!

Mark Steers
138 Posted 21/06/2026 at 11:02:21

Just remember the final whistle against sunderland .
Well we will have many scenes like that this season without major investment but I think the owners don't care simple.
The main thing is Moyes contract runs out at the end of the season so it might get really nasty by then or somehow he gets us up to about 8th because we still have alot of steady premier league players who will keep grinding.
Then he will be looking for a contract extension this is how he works he manipulates people in the club for his sake simple.
Sadly he don't care about the fans of Everton fc and the fans don't care about Moyes as shown at the enf of the last game.
Good luck see you in Germany.

Winston Williamson
139 Posted 21/06/2026 at 11:19:59

Well, this is very disappointing, if not very surprising. The guy believes himself to be a realist, with huge premier league experience.

In reality, he’s a dour, negative personality.

He’s just alienated the top level of player we had any hope of signing, whilst simultaneously setting expectations for our existing players and knocking any chance of any hope out of the fan base.

When we lose to top teams, our players don’t hurt, as the manager does not expect to win those games. The whole mentality is set by this guy.

I look back to Joe Royle (too young for Kendall I) and he held no fear of the ‘big’ clubs. We went into Derbies expecting a win or to cause them damage - that was the managers mindset - that’s exactly what I expect from this club.

Personally, I’m prepared to give the owners time as we have very little evidence of their plans. What I’ve seen off the pitch (sponsorship, marketing etc) is better than we’ve had previously, but if Moyes is offered a contract extension then that shows their intentions.

I can understand a couple of years stability whilst they get revenue up and begin to make more headroom with the new financial rules, but anything beyond his existing contract says they’re happy with being also rans.

As a fan, I’m depressed by the prospect of another season of Moyes. Looking objectively, from an owner’s perspective, he offers a baseline, whereby they can implement off-field improvements, moving away from the chaos they bought, without fear of relegation.

That’s the only slim hope I’m working with at this time…

Andy Walker
140 Posted 21/06/2026 at 11:26:21

Steve 126

You haven’t actually disproved my central point, you’ve just presented the most optimistic interpretation of every issue facing the club.

1. Financial legacy

Restructuring debt doesn’t make it disappear. The fact remains that Everton are still carrying significant obligations from the previous regime. The Burnley case alone demonstrates that financial consequences from past decisions are still hitting the club. Better financing terms are welcome, but that is not the same as having complete financial freedom.

2. Squad quality

Quoting transfer spend doesn’t automatically prove we have a good squad. If spending £114m net guaranteed quality, Manchester United would be challenging for titles every year. The league table, our lack of goals, and the fact that most Evertonians agree we need upgrades in multiple positions all suggest the squad is far from strong.

3. Available spending

The fact that regulations may theoretically allow spending up to a certain amount does not mean Everton will actually spend it. Spending is determined by ownership strategy, cash flow, wages, recruitment opportunities and long-term planning, not simply the maximum permitted under the rules. Assuming £150m will be spent is speculation.

4. End of season form

You blame Moyes for relying on 14-15 players, but who exactly was he supposed to rotate with? The drop-off in quality outside the first-choice XI was obvious. When Branthwaite was unavailable, or key players looked exhausted, the limitations of the squad became clear. Lack of depth and overuse of players are linked issues, not mutually exclusive ones.

5. Relegation

Dyche deserves credit for stabilising the club during a difficult period. Equally, Moyes inherited a side in serious trouble of relegation under Dyche and immediately improved results enough to remove any realistic relegation threat. Trying to pretend he played no part is just as revisionist as claiming Dyche did everything.

The bigger issue is that some fans seem to think changing manager automatically solves structural problems. My argument is the opposite: Everton’s challenges are deeper than whoever sits in the dugout. Financial recovery, squad rebuilding and establishing stability will take time.

You call that making excuses. I call it being realistic.

Dan Nulty
141 Posted 21/06/2026 at 11:54:07

I'm with Andy in the sense we need to be realistic. Changing the manager doesn't resolve our fundamental issue:

On a restricted budget our scouting network is incredibly old fashioned and hit and miss. For every Ndiaye there are 6 or 7 players whonare a complete waste of money. When you are wasting large parts of your little budget every season it makes life very difficult to improve.

Brentford, Brighton and Bournemouth have a modern statistical based approach to transfers which seems to be paying dividends. We are being left behind when we don't have the money to purchase those players who are obviously ready for the top.

Mark Taylor
142 Posted 21/06/2026 at 11:54:30

Andy 140

I don't think you can claim the owners have not already brought stability and much sounder finances. The re-financing of debt and capital injection was and is a very big thing. Carrying debt is normal but the debt servicing cost we were paying was non viable. Moreover the owners appear to have struck a much more realistic price for the assets, basically forcing Moshiri to take the bath he merited. Hence in addition to much lower servicing costs, the level of debt is much lower than it would have been and much more manageable.

The Burnley fine I suspect will have no material impact. If the owners are as remotely as shrewd as people claim them to be, that would have been a contingent liability in the purchase and I suspect is clawed back from Moshiri. It was known at the time of acquisition.

Squad is a different matter. We are short there and wasted much of last year's spend. But even I, with a glass half empty view of our revenue growth can see it is going up at a reasonable tick, possibly up to £30-50m higher next year. That gives you a lot of scope in the market, assuming owners open to investing and especially much better recruitment. It also gives you a much better base to play with than the likes of Bournemouth.

There are choices to make for the owners. Aim where Moyes is saying which lacks any ambition, or more in line with our status and developing financial muscle.

David West
143 Posted 21/06/2026 at 12:32:57

Andy 140.
I too thought Moyes stability was what was needed, until it wasn't.

We can have stability and an attractive, modern, forward thinking manager it's not an either or choice !

The stabilising phase is completed, the clubs on a stronger financial footing, the huge squad of overpaid players is gone, we have the new stadium, new sponsorships, bigger revenue, it's now time for progression.

I'm grateful that TFG came in and bought us, saved us financially, but they now need to show they want us to progress on the field as well as off it.

Great strides is exactly what we should be making with all the off field improvements, it feels like everything is progressing except the most important thing, THE FOOTBALL!!

Sean Herbert
144 Posted 21/06/2026 at 12:36:10

Andy @ 140, none of what you say excuses the fact that we have a boring, defensive manager who rigidly sticks to the same old, tired, tactics.

You claim Moyes only had a small squad to select from. Partly true but you fail to mention the player's he refused to use.

Worst of all is the dinosaur's dampening down of expectations. Exactly what he did in his first stint st the club. Lower expectations, then boast what a great job he is doing given the circumstances he has to work under.

Personally I call it bullshit and none of your reasons for backing him hold any water as far as I am concerned

John Collins
145 Posted 21/06/2026 at 12:54:59

When he carries on with his excuse ridden,dour,scared tactics next season the ground will turn on him imo.

Alan McGuffog
146 Posted 21/06/2026 at 13:35:10

Brian, 136. I would love to sit him and the squad down and make them watch John Moores comments recorded in "The Golden Vision ". It would make their blood run cold.

Steve Brown
147 Posted 21/06/2026 at 14:03:45

Haggis-eating surrender monkey.

Soren Moyer
148 Posted 21/06/2026 at 14:16:24

These comments alone warrant his dismissal! That he is still at this club is making my blood boil!

Dale Self
149 Posted 21/06/2026 at 14:34:20

Don't stop there Steve. ;)

And good to see you posting, Soren. Especially, since you are taking a shot at the Ginger whinger.

Oliver Molloy
150 Posted 21/06/2026 at 14:41:08

Moyes whole backroom staff are in the same mold as him - fucking dinosaurs - Did you ever see Irvine get up off his arse !, like what does he do ?
I will exclude Baines ( for now )

Without doubt TFG investments are totally focused on the money tree - it's all about the stadium they got at a very good price, in my opinion the bare minimum will be spent on the team.
The positive thing for Evertonians is when they flip us, there should be a significant interest.
The silence from Dan - and to not turn up even once is insulting and shows a total respect to the club badge and the fanbase to say the least.
Trump supporters don't five a fuck about the ordinary man or woman - they will milk us all dry.

Dan Nulty
151 Posted 21/06/2026 at 15:04:06

David West @143 pretty sure that is what the West Ham fans asked for after he led them to a trophy. The grass isn't always greener.

Ajay Gopal
152 Posted 21/06/2026 at 15:14:23

Andy (140), I take issue with your Point No. 5: Relegation. Yes, we were close to the bottom 3 (16th place actually) when Dyche was sacked, but we were on 17 points from 19 games. But that year had an especially poor Bottom 3 - the last relegation position - 18th position - that year was Leicester with 25 points ! Look it up, if you don't believe me. So, anything more than 8 points from the last 19 games (57 available points) would have ensured survival. Moyes, of course, did much better than that, but in hindsight it was highly likely that Everton would have survived with almost any manager, yes even with Dyche. Moyes has always got lucky, especially with Everton, who have given him much more than what he has given Everton.

Andy Walker
153 Posted 21/06/2026 at 15:14:54

Sean which top quality players did Moyes ‘refuse to use’?

Please don’t tell me Patterson, he’s a complete defensive liability. Maybe you were thinking Dibling? He clearly wasn’t remotely ready for a first team spot. Alcaraz, the headless chicken? Who’ve I missed?

Dan Nulty
154 Posted 21/06/2026 at 15:58:32

Yeah, Id love to know who Moyes could have used from our squad that he didn't. Dibling? He looked so much like a lost sheep that we signed George on loan.

John Collins
155 Posted 21/06/2026 at 15:59:44

Any of the players he bought?

Dale Self
156 Posted 21/06/2026 at 16:02:48

Rohl. Armstrong. Alcaraz in places.

Eric Myles
157 Posted 21/06/2026 at 16:34:30

Ajay #152, you forget to account for the fact that we has scored 2 goals in 10 games, and had many games with no shots on target.

Even you could see that is relegation form that Dyche could not have turned around, by his own admission.

Christy Ring
158 Posted 21/06/2026 at 16:52:43

Andy, you talk about lack of depth, and then you mention Ndiaye being completely off form... why didn't he drop Ndiaye?

Why didn't Moyes play Armstrong, Alcaraz and George? That's the problem with Moyes, no ambition, and he doesn't believe in youth.

What other manager would play the same team, same formation, and same tactics for the last seven games? The buck stops with Moyes.

Dale Self
159 Posted 21/06/2026 at 17:06:20

The point is, the bottom three were in terminal relegation form. We were not going down that season under Dyche.

Moyes is Dyche 2.0.

No amount of dumping on Dyche makes Moyes more appealing. Moyes found his level, again... just above Dyche.

Ah...note or request to Michael:
I noted that you left some of my stuff uncorrected lately. Busy reading news or just giving up on a yank?

And was I in good punctuational form using the colon? I switched up, it seemed a bit much for what followed.

Not being a smartass btw, just reading more these days and appreciating form more.

Sean Kearns
160 Posted 21/06/2026 at 18:36:13

Dyche didn’t save us, a Doucoure banger saved us!!!… we were in the bottom 3 with 30 minutes left of the entire season. Leicester won on that fateful day and we were 18th in the league with half an hour left to play!…. The streets won’t forget how utterly shit we were under Dyche. Doucoure saved us, not Sean.

Terry Farrell
161 Posted 21/06/2026 at 18:49:48

Andy with respect the players you are saying arent up to standard all gave impressive performances when he had no option but to play them and we got a string of positive results and excellent performances. Jake OB is a competent CH and quick. Tarks and Keane are a terrible combination unless they are just defending high balls. Once its a quick counterattack they are I'm big trouble and we all saw it over and over again. Its clear to anyone with a football brain. I'm sorry glass half empty delivers what it expects.

Mick O\\\'Malley
162 Posted 21/06/2026 at 19:07:29

I.love the way people.say Patterson is a complete defensive liability, name the games for me where he has stunk, I can name plenty where fucking Tarkowski has stunk the gaff out, like wise Keane, Jake had plenty of shocking games at right back, he looked like a duck out of water, but I remember Patterson coming in for a run of games where we never lost, won away at villa, won away at Forest I think it was, Patterson is a better right back than Jake all day long

David West
163 Posted 21/06/2026 at 19:18:11

Dan 151. Yeah he won them a trophy, first in however many decades, and still they couldn't stand to have him..

The grass isn't always greener on the other side, but the grass doesn't have to be slowly dying a death before you you water it and feed it !!!

Sean Herbert
164 Posted 21/06/2026 at 19:31:32

Andy @ 153 and Dan @ 154, I never once mentioned any top players not used by Moyes, but he had players he could have used during that dreadful end to the season.

Or do you both think it was fine to continue with the same, out of form, players who were getting beaten week after week?

How about Rohl in his correct position? Armstrong in his correct position? Alcaraz, Aznou and yes Dibling. George barely got a look in too. We have no idea how any of them would have performed with an extended run in the team. We were getting beaten with the team your hero was selecting anyway.

What was the point of buying the players in the first place if they were never going to be used?

During those final games are you two suggesting the limes of O'Brian, Keane, Tarkowski and Ndiaye were deserving of a place in the team?

Tell me what other genius manager sticks with the same 11 that are continually under performing and getting beaten on a regular basis?

But that would be criticizing your hero wouldn't it and that must never happen at any cost. Support the clown no matter how badly he is doing.

There are no excuses for how poorly Moyes finished the season. He is clearly going to be in charge for our next totally underwhelming season. Plenty of time for you two to prepare your next list of excuses for the dinosaur.

Dean Williams
165 Posted 21/06/2026 at 23:30:30

I spoke with jarrad Branthwaite today about the world cup, and if he was fit. I also said moves was a sausage, and hoped he wouldn't be here next season. His face said it all.

Paul Griffiths
166 Posted 21/06/2026 at 23:59:16

Mr. Williams (165), your pithy posts on here are becoming something of a byword for daft and silly. I don't believe this nonsense for one second. Why make up crap? Ah yes, of course, please give me attention.

Where did you bump into JB?

Andy Walker
167 Posted 22/06/2026 at 06:28:24

Sean, “During those final games are you two suggesting the limes of O'Brian, Keane, Tarkowski and Ndiaye were deserving of a place in the team?”

Absolutely. There was no one any better to put in ahead of them, precisely my point.

Were those players playing well? Not particularly, but that is the point, I’d still have picked, for example, Ndiaye ahead of Dibling, even out of form he’s better than a sulking energy less Dibling. Alcaraz is a headless chicken, the others are still too inconsistent. None of those you mentioned could have replaced O’Brian, Keane or Tarkowski in any event.

You interpret wrongly, that acknowledging the overall weakness in our squad must mean I have blind faith in Moyes. The challenges involved in Everton becoming a top 6 team are far more complex than the lazy ‘Moyes out’, because he doesn’t spout hyperbole, over optimistic bollocks every weak in order to satisfy a small minority of fantasist fans.

Andy Walker
168 Posted 22/06/2026 at 06:28:24

Sean, “During those final games are you two suggesting the limes of O'Brian, Keane, Tarkowski and Ndiaye were deserving of a place in the team?”

Absolutely. There was no one any better to put in ahead of them, precisely my point.

Were those players playing well? Not particularly, but that is the point, I’d still have picked, for example, Ndiaye ahead of Dibling, even out of form he’s better than a sulking energy less Dibling. Alcaraz is a headless chicken, the others are still too inconsistent. None of those you mentioned could have replaced O’Brian, Keane or Tarkowski in any event.

You interpret wrongly, that acknowledging the overall weakness in our squad must mean I have blind faith in Moyes. The challenges involved in Everton becoming a top 6 team are far more complex than the lazy ‘Moyes out’, because he doesn’t spout hyperbole, over optimistic bollocks every weak in order to satisfy a small minority of fantasist fans.

Paul Griffiths
169 Posted 22/06/2026 at 06:58:58

Andy W (168): to satisfy a small minority of fantasist fans.

From all my chats with all the Evertonians I know, it is YOU who are in the minority. On here, for sure, but more generally also. Only one of the many blues I know wants Moyes to stay, and. I think that's more to do with being resigned.

As for 'fantasist', what a disrespectful snide and shitty little comment. But do continue to bask in your fantasy that you represent a majority.You are in fact in 'a small minority '.

Andy Walker
170 Posted 22/06/2026 at 07:14:33

You’re in the minority Paul. I’ll concede not on Toffeweb though, which sadly has, over the last 18 months or so, spiralled into an echo chamber for the fantasists.

You keep believing Everton could make huge big leaps forward if only we had a different manager. Ignore the reality of a previous owner who all but liquidated our club. I mean it only takes a matter of a couple of dozen months to get over years of financial mismanagement, poor managerial appointments and poor player recruitment if you live in la la land.

You either love or hate Moyes in your world eh?

Paul Griffiths
171 Posted 22/06/2026 at 07:30:58

Sad tit-for-tat pettiness Andy. You are absolutely in the minority. Absolutely. Why do you think you are not? Please give reasons. I know you're not. Talk to Rob Halligan about the overall feelings of the loyal 3000 who go away.

And don't put words in my mouth lad. I don't hate Moyes and I don't love him. And see if you can find anywhere on here where I write 'Moyes Out'.

You either love or hate Moyes in your world eh?

Andy Walker
172 Posted 22/06/2026 at 07:49:24

I didn't put words in your mouth, Paul, I asked you a question: Love him or loath him? Apparently now you're not arsed either way.

Now you take the self-righteous position of knowing stuff you don't know.

Let's be clear, Paul fantasist Griffiths, it is you who started the tit for tat by labelling me simply because I had the audacity to have a contrary view to the majority on ToffeeWeb.

Paul Griffiths
173 Posted 22/06/2026 at 08:00:51

'. you’re not arsed either way.. Paul fantasist Griffiths,. '

You really write a bag of warped incoherent gibberish Mr. Walker. I'm not 'arsed either way.. [but I'm a ] fantasist'.

Answer my question please - You are absolutely in the minority. Absolutely. Why do you think you are not? Please give reasons.

Let's try and educate you here but I fear you lack the qualities of self-examination and sharpness in analysis.

You started the labelling lad - 'fantasist'. And, as ever, the limp and lame Moyes gnomes conflate quite properly criticising a poster for their views with 'because I had the audacity to have a contrary view to the majority on Toffeweb'.

Ah, bless, you poor little victim. Would you like your rusks mashed up?

David West
175 Posted 22/06/2026 at 08:37:19

Andy, I think you're right about the fact that it's become a bit of an echo chamber on the Moyes debate, but what I'd say is that it's only become that way due to how the second half of the season went.

When he took over, there was a huge chunk who didn't want him back, full stop, thought he was shite, his history with the club etc. He was never winning them fans over!

There was always a good split on here of people for and against Moyes; I was for him, he was doing good, he stabilised us. I had many good back and forths.

After the 2nd half of the season, the tide turned, me too, the debate has become more one-sided on here because there's now less believe he's the right man. It's more a reflection on Moyes, the football and tactics etc, rather than ToffeeWeb.

It is a snapshot of the fanbase, but I'm sorry, mate, I believe he's lost the majority. A few bad results at the start of the season, I'm sure the ground will reflect that.

Andy Walker
176 Posted 22/06/2026 at 09:13:09

You accused me of putting words in your mouth, Paul, by asking you: Do you love him or hate him?

So you don't love him and you don't hate him. You could of course clear up the whole thing by actually stating whether you do love, hate him or aren't arsed either way.

For the avoidance of doubt I'm not arsed either way, he has strengths and he has weaknesses. What I do like about him is that he doesn't spew hyperbole. As I stated with my first comment on this thread:

“Perhaps some of the posters on here could explain why they are so sure Everton can make big huge strides.

"What Moyes said is realistic, he didn't say we couldn't and he didn't say we could. Perfectly reasonable.”

The response to my initial comment from others on here, was to state:

“I clearly have no ambition.” So no doubt there, someone has determined, based solely on my comment, a value judgement about my personality.

Another was: I should accept “your hero is a loser and is only in charge for the money he is stealing from Everton.” Again, an assertion based on pure fantasy. Moyes is not my hero.

The comments I received in response to me expressing a perfectly reasonable opinion, are pure fantasy.

You then decide to jump in when I pointed out these fantasists' comments, and you went straight to the ad hominem right from the off:- ‘Andy clutch straws Walker', deciding I needed to be labelled. Problem is, you can't hack it when it is thrown back at you, can you, Paul?

How about addressing the point I made, and not leaping to the defence of fantasists? What Moyes said was realistic in my opinion. That doesn't mean other opinions are invalid, but it doesn't mean Moyes is my hero or that I have no ambition, those are not opinions they are fantasy.

Darren Hind
177 Posted 22/06/2026 at 09:16:38

Not sure which depresses me most. The expectation management we have come to associate with Moyes, or the desperate desire to apologise for it.

"There were no options for Moyes" sigh.

These people apologising and supporting this fella's relentless pursuit of mediocrity are like an albatross round the neck of this club.

"Cant win. don't try." Who said it first? David Moyes or Homer Simpson?

Paul Griffiths
178 Posted 22/06/2026 at 09:24:35

Andy, you blubberer. Answer the question I put to you quite simply rather than give me yet another 500 words of crap that very few value.

Go on. A straight answer rather than your deflective manipulative gymnastics.

The question is simple.

Sean Herbert
179 Posted 22/06/2026 at 09:29:28

Andy @ 168, how do you know they were better? Their replacements never got a chance to show they could do any better.

But you are right that Moyes doesn't spout hyperbole, or optimism. Because the dour bastard doesn't know how to achieve anything related to those words.

But he is in a class of his own when it comes to lowering expectations and producing total mediocrity.

Not sure how long you think this suffering fanbase should wait for your Moyes wet dream to produce something worthwhile. But it's abundantly clear they aren't prepared to wait long.

Jimmy Carr
180 Posted 22/06/2026 at 09:31:27

Paul Griffiths, I spoke to three long-term Everton fans over the weekend, all of them think Moyes should stay. I was the one in the minority.

I've never believed that ToffeeWeb really reflects the mood of the fanbase. I assume most supporters can't be bothered posting on social media.

Paul Griffiths
181 Posted 22/06/2026 at 09:50:44

Well, Jimmy Carr, that is so scientific and compelling.

Three, you say. Wow, that does it for me. Three. A massive sample. You win, Jimmy lad.

John Collins
182 Posted 22/06/2026 at 10:03:56

Jimmy,

Since the season ended, I haven't spoke to one Evertonian who wants him to stay.

Steve Brown
183 Posted 22/06/2026 at 10:06:01

"Satisfy a small minority of fantasist fans." - you bandy the "fantasist" term around a lot, Andy @ 168.

You also say "for the avoidance of doubt, I'm not arsed either way, he has strengths and he has weaknesses." You have posted paragraphs of content on this thread defending him to the hilt and accusing anyone who disagrees with you as being deluded.

The psychological term for this condition is "projection" — "an unconscious defense mechanism where an individual attributes their own unacceptable thoughts, feelings, or traits onto someone else. People use it to protect their self-esteem and avoid the anxiety of confronting their own flaws."

Treatment includes increasing self-awareness through targeted therapies and mindfulness to help the individual confront, process, and take ownership of their internal emotions.

Steve Brown
184 Posted 22/06/2026 at 10:15:06

John @182,

I couldn't find a single supporter at the last 4 home games who wanted Moyes to stay.

And I mean not a single one.

Andy Walker
185 Posted 22/06/2026 at 11:05:11

Paul Griffiths. Answer the question? You mean challenge your evidence-free statement that a majority of fans want Moyes out?

Provide some evidence to support your argument, or is it just an opinion.

You clearly struggle with people who've different opinions to yourself, Paul. You attack them, throw personal insults at them, and attempt to belittle them. Not great personal traits. Have a cuppa and calm down.

Let's not forget this is the comment what wound you up so much:

“Perhaps some of the posters on here could explain why they are so sure Everton can make big huge strides.

What Moyes said is realistic, he didn't say we couldn't and he didn't say we could. Perfectly reasonable”.

That's a reasonable opinion Paul. You're free to disagree with it and put a counter argument. So far you have failed dismally to do so and resorted to ad hominem.

Andy Walker
186 Posted 22/06/2026 at 11:10:44

Steve, I demonstrably haven't written loads of content on here defending him to the hilt.

What I have done is put the case to support my opinion that attacking Moyes simply for not being hyperbolic about our future chances, is unreasonable.

I've not seen anyone make a decent counter-argument yet. Lots of personal abuse, the go-to for folk with no counter-point.

Steve Brown
187 Posted 22/06/2026 at 11:43:36

Do a word count, Andy.

Andy Walker
188 Posted 22/06/2026 at 11:56:53

The number of words don't indicate what the were about though, do they, Steve? \ r

You are unable to evidence your assertion that I've written paragraphs defending Moyes to the hilt, simply because I haven't.

As I say, I've simply expressed the opinion, and then defended it, that I prefer an Everton manager, whoever it may be, to be realistic in interviews.

Tony Abrahams
189 Posted 22/06/2026 at 12:01:16

In the second half of last season, Everton got 21 points from 19 games, so things are definitely not improving.

John Collins
190 Posted 22/06/2026 at 12:02:17

I would rather have a manager with a positive, winner's approach, Andy.

Not interested in his self-induced realism.

Soren Moyer
191 Posted 22/06/2026 at 12:30:14

Thank you, Dale. 😁

Andrew Merrick
192 Posted 22/06/2026 at 13:47:34

For balance, it is worth hearing a cross-section of opinion.
I agree there is a mixed take on our manager, but I hear a lot of well-considered comments pointing out what Moyes can't or doesn't do. I don't hear so many lording him up with facts that convince though.

Without knowing every machination in the backroom and dressing room, it is difficult to say exactly how much of this is solely on him, but he sure has his faults. He is not a credible leader or orator, some of his comments are jaw-dropping, his favourite picks are there for all to see, and he does persist with them, time and time again.

Everton must be the most predictable Premier League team to set up against; how many teams or fans look at the fixture list, see Everton's name, and shit themselves?

How have we bought in so badly? Why can't we use what we have better? Why can't we mix things up a bit tactically? Why don't we have a Plan B when Plan A clearly fails? Why are the club so silent? When do we get definitive club statements? And why are some people still convinced that David Moyes has a solution?

Jimmy Carr
193 Posted 22/06/2026 at 18:45:51

I didn't realise we had to have a sample size Paul. My sincere apologies. I'll make sure I check that before I next post.

Not.

Paul Griffiths
194 Posted 22/06/2026 at 21:20:51

Andy Walker, the 'evidence' head in the sand lad is on this fecking thread or do you think that the folks on here telling you that in their experience not one - ONE - supporter supports Moyes are telling lies?

'Let's not forget this is the comment what wound you up so much:

“Perhaps some of the posters on here could explain why they are so sure Everton can make big huge strides'.

You really love license don't you. How do you know that 'wound [me] up so much'? Tell me. You don't know do you. You just put words in others' mouths.

Nothing you can write can wind me up. Nothing. It's unadulterated gibberish. It makes me shake my head and roll my eyes.

Paul Griffiths
195 Posted 22/06/2026 at 21:22:13

Keep it up Jimmy lad. You're one of the best weapons for anyone who wants to have a pop at Moyes.

Jimmy Carr
196 Posted 22/06/2026 at 21:32:52

Thanks Paul. Kind Regards and all that.......

Joe Bibb
197 Posted 23/06/2026 at 10:03:45

How to empty a Football Stadium quicker than a Fire Alarm? Hire David Moyes as Manager

Sean Kelly
198 Posted 23/06/2026 at 18:34:03

In the words of Billy Connolly, Moyes is as welcome here “as a fart in a spacesuit”!

Andy Walker
199 Posted 24/06/2026 at 05:53:46

Paul, you don’t seem to realise ToffeeWeb is now an echo chamber for people who don’t like Moyes. I very much doubt it’s representative of our whole fan base.

I clearly do wind you up. Calm down mate and have that cuppa. We’re both blues.

Some people have legitimate different views to you, when they do you don’t need to personally abuse them.

Now have a good day.