Roberto Martinez the stylish Spaniard who has transformed our incredible club within a season. From adopting a new, patient and fascinating style of football to that simple celebration every time the ball nestles in the back of the opposition’s net. Simple but meaningful.

Joining our club from Wigan, a side that at the time had recently been relegated from the Premier League, with many a fan criticizing the appointment as a step backward from the extremely stable Moyes era; he could only prove them wrong couldn’t he?

Bobby couldn’t have done it any better: he led our fantastic club to smash our record Premier League points tally and gain 72 points just 14 points off the top. Now, for me, that just emphasises that Bobby has brought with him a sense of belief, determination and complete positivity. He has changed the way we, as fans, think about Everton as he has installed that sense of belief into every single Evertonian far and wide as we believe. That’s it, we believe that we will be successful, it’s not that we can be anymore, it’s that we WILL be successful and we all know who is going to lead us there.

I firmly believe that, if we keep a hold of Bobby Martinez for the forthcoming years, then our long and painful wait for a trophy will quickly come to an end as Martinez will bring back success to our club. He did it with how we play and approach the game as he brought back the School of Science attack-branded philosophy which highlights that he is making the past the present and bringing new from the old.

The first target was to change how we play so we could become an attacking team that plays fascinating football he succeeded. Now, his second target is to win trophies and be successful; looking at how easily Bobby succeeded in implementing our new style of play to our current side, there’s certainly no reason why he can’t succeed and fulfill his targets again.

He brought the beautiful way we play football back within a blink of an eye. Now, I’m not going to say that it will be the same with trophies as it is impossible to do so as quickly as that, but what I am trying to stress is that Bobby Brown Shoes has instilled belief in us like no other... and, as long as he is at the realm, then I firmly believe that he can lead us to success whether that is in Europe or the Premier League, I don’t know. But what I do know is that Bobby will lead our mighty Blue Boys to glory.

Bobby just simply doesn’t do failure.

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Michael Kenrick
1 Posted 10/06/2014 at 23:46:38
Oh lordy...

There I was, struggling to take in Darren Hind's perennially negativity, thinking "Who are these 'happy clappers' you're talking about?"

Now we have a winner!

Just a little over the top, methinks, Mr Doherty. From the irritating "Bobby" stuff to the disproven claim that "he has installed that sense of belief into every single Evertonian far and wide as we believe" you only need one doubter to disprove that fallacy.

And to finish with the outrageous nonsense: "Bobby just simply doesn't do failure." Errrmm... how about RELEGATION from the Premier League?!?!?

Don't get me wrong: I love the transition we have benefited from immensely under Martinez, and what he has done is fantastic. But to overstate it in this manner does no-one any favours.

Peter Warren
2 Posted 11/06/2014 at 00:01:02
Made up with Martinez and surprised by his steel actually. Many areas to improve and if we have the right guy, which I believe we do, then no reason not to be optimistic.

Trying to be objective although I readily admit I'm biased as really rate and like the manager and said for years I would love him to be our manager:

Style I would like to see us a lot more offensive by that I mean both press and pass the ball quicker. Set pieces remain a massive issue.

Signings jury still out good loans but permanent signings seem a bit iffy.

Tactics usually good and definitely his substitutions. He seems calm and focused on sideline. Not sure with dropping Howard in major cup games and I felt he was overconfident in our games against Liverpool and Palace. That said, over-confidence is better than a defensive mindset.

Results excellent; and can't argue. Good achievement getting in Europe.

Manner / ethos fantastic, with exception of over usage of word "phenomenal". Perhaps I'm being unfair given he's Spanish.

Trophies let's hope it's no longer than 29 years...

Paul Mackie
3 Posted 11/06/2014 at 00:05:03
"Bobby couldn't have done it any better"

I think you'll find there's 4 league places worth of 'better' that he could have done.

Phil Sammon
4 Posted 11/06/2014 at 00:46:20
Dommy 'Brown Nose'

Cringed through the entire article. Completely exaggerated all the good work Martinez has done. Truly horrible reading.

Patrick Murphy
5 Posted 11/06/2014 at 00:54:40
Harry Redknapp must agree with your assessment, Dom, as he believes that either Roberto or Buck Rogers should be the next England manager when Uncle Roy packs it in. Your article may well have been a touch syrupy but don't let that put you off submitting your thoughts!
Derek Thomas
6 Posted 11/06/2014 at 02:37:24
OTT short-sighted happy clapping at its worst. One season doth not a dynasty make; on its own, its just an anomaly. Thats not even getting into second-season syndrome territory.

Anyway, barring 1 in a million circumstances, Martinez is not (I hope) going anywhere for 3 years. If you can still write the same sort of piece then, it may be a tad more valid and relevant.

Paul Ferry
7 Posted 11/06/2014 at 03:17:15
Bobby just simply doesnt do failure.

Erm... Im no Walling but Im hoping with every little breath and sinew in my bashed blue body that Bobby thought that relegation in 2013 was well a failure.

Listen, I will go head-to-head with anyone knocking our Bobby but this post is more gratingly effusively positive than any one of the gaffers comments that causes downbeats on here to moan about his buzzing energetic positivity.

My mate Phil (Sammon) - 4 - doesnt like the workers very much but more often than not hes right on things blue as he is at 4.

Now Phil I need you to read The Making of the English Working Class by E P Thompson, I think that youll like it mate....

Phil Sammon
8 Posted 11/06/2014 at 07:30:57
Paul Ferry 7

Hi Paul. You do make me laugh mate.

I don't dislike the workers. I am one myself. I just find Socialist principles to be abhorrent. The hypocrisy and sense of entitlement rile me. I'm afraid it's one area where we'll have to agree to disagree.

I look out for your posts though and I must say I agree with 99% of what you write regarding our beloved Blues.

Paul Andrews
9 Posted 11/06/2014 at 08:03:07
Paul Ferry,

Right on brother.
You stand your corner

Eugene Ruane
10 Posted 11/06/2014 at 08:46:26
Phil Sammon - " I just find Socialist principles to be abhorrent."

Wow, strong stuff, I imagine you must fucking hate the teachings of Jesus.

All that 'Do unto others as you would have them do unto you' bollocks.

David Ellis
11 Posted 11/06/2014 at 09:51:44
The aims being Socialist principles are fine, it's just that the principles don't really take into account human behaviour or economics which is why they usually don't turn out too well.

Not sure Jesus had a good grasp of economics either to be honest!

Brent Stephens
12 Posted 11/06/2014 at 10:02:16
And capitalist principles such of trickle down of created wealth also don't turn out too well. Food banks, anyone?

The Ragged Trousered Philanthropists (Robert Tressel, buried in a Liverpool Cemetery) another interesting read.

Sorry, off-topic, I know, but it is a quiet summer.

Patrick Murphy
13 Posted 11/06/2014 at 10:00:33
Free Markets, Socialism or whatever system is in place are wholly reliant upon how people individually or collectively react and interact with it.

Cleverer and better read people than I have criticized both systems but in general, in my opinion, any system that encourages greed without social responsibility should be constantly opposed and questioned. If the system cannot be improved then the many should put more pressure on the few to behave in a reasonable manner but sadly apathy usually allows those with the assets to dictate to those with little or nothing and so it goes.... see Premier League or indeed Everton FC.

Brian Denton
14 Posted 11/06/2014 at 10:14:44
The Ragged Trousered Philanthropists is a great work, and resonates so much today; workers betraying each other, rentier economy with wages so low and uncertain that nobody can save anything after paying the rent and feeding the kids; corrupt press lying about anything vaguely socialistic, and encouraging hatred of 'outsiders'; above all the central absurdity that some of the greatest defenders of the system are those who suffer most from it (the Ragged-Trousered Philanthropists of the title).
Peter Barry
15 Posted 11/06/2014 at 10:19:32
I'm with you, Phil Sammon; Socialism just does not work and it has been proved not to work wherever it has been allowed to run amok. For instance, apart from all the Financial Mess they create, the three greatest Mass Murderers of the 20th Century were all SOCIALISTS: Mao, Stalin and Hitler.

Oh and in case anyone wants to argue about teatotal, vegetarian Green agenda Hitler, he led the National SOCIALIST German WORKERS party AKA the NAZIS and we all know how that finished don't we.

Brian Denton
16 Posted 11/06/2014 at 10:30:15
You're an idiot if you feel merely because of the name, Hitler had anything to do with socialism. Actually, what do you think socialism means, and then illustrate how Hitler was a socialist.

That will be a challenge. Jesus, it's like assuming that a man whose name is Mr Brown must be .... brown.

Andrew Ellams
17 Posted 11/06/2014 at 10:56:27
I guess from this thread we haven't signed anybody yet?
Peter Barry
18 Posted 11/06/2014 at 11:02:48
Brian, far from being an idiot, I know what I am talking about having read up on it extensively. Unlike you who it seems is just speaking from an emotional point of view and you have been brainwashed for so long with the "NAZIS are RIGHT-WINGERS" propaganda spread by the Left.

The NAZI party was anti-Capitalist and the other side of the same coin to the Communists with whom they shared the same pool of workers to draw their members from. They believed in workers' rights, preserving the environment, jobs for all, and socialised medicine in fact, they were almost a perfect match to today's Labour Party. The Autobahns and many other infrastructure schemes came about as a result of the NAZI desire to give people work.

Phil Bellis
19 Posted 11/06/2014 at 10:56:48
Eugene - well said. I, too, was brought up on Jesus's ethic of reciprocity, the ideals of Mrs Do-as-you-would-be-done-by, and the mantra of the great Popeye the Sailor Man.

Philip Xavier Ignatius Bellis, SJ.

Eugene Ruane
20 Posted 11/06/2014 at 10:57:19
David Ellis (11) - "David - "The aims being Socialist principles are fine, it's just that the principles don't really take into account human behaviour or economics which is why they usually don't turn out too well. Not sure Jesus had a good grasp of economics either to be honest!"

Firstly, this suggests that an/the opposite strategy (ie capitalism) DOES turn out well, which, for the majority of the world's population, it patently doesn't.

As for 'human behaviour', well this ranges from the behaviour of greedy bankers to the behaviour of charity workers in other words, we're (obviously) all capable of both, greed or charity, it's up to us as individuals to make the choice.

As for the son of god not having a good grasp of 'economics'... "And Jesus went into the temple of God, and cast out all them that sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the money changers, and the seats of them that sold doves."

I don't know, reading that it seems like he had a fairly good grasp of exactly what economics is all about.

I'd also guess that if he made a surprise return this afternoon (with a cob on) it wouldn't be the tables of charity workers he'd be flinging about.

As for Peter Barry's 'Hitler was a socialist', possibly the dumbest thing I've ever read on TW (I imagine if you gave Peter a book, he'd try to fuck it). Even the old 'he was a vegetarian' isn't true.

With that kind of uneducated, reactionary, alehouse-lawyer, fact-free drivel, a career with UKIP is surely on the cards.

Graham Mockford
21 Posted 11/06/2014 at 11:17:41
Peter 'UPPER CASE' Barry is alright in my book.

Although my book is 'The Bumper Edition of Bellends'.

Kevin Tully
22 Posted 11/06/2014 at 11:15:06
Classic TWeb - from the colour of Bobby's shoes to God and Adolf within a few posts. Love it.
Danny Kewley
24 Posted 11/06/2014 at 11:00:13
Interesting how an article espousing the merits of good old Bobby Brown in an almost Bible-Belting "Before Bobby there was darkness!!!" type way turns into a political conflict of interest!

That's why I love ToffeeWeb... but for the life of me I can't get out of my head "Good o'l Bobby Brown" sung to the tune of "Mack The Knife" a Bertolt Brecht classic.

Paul Andrews
25 Posted 11/06/2014 at 11:40:43
Peter Barry 15,

What did you "read extensively" to come up with the load of bollocks in your post?

I am expecting a few charmers above to post along the lines of....."they don't want to work"......"there are plenty of jobs out there" etc etc.

James Welford
26 Posted 11/06/2014 at 11:25:52
Peter Barry - perhaps you could clear up whether the people of the former East Germany, the German Democratic Republic, could vote? Or whether free elections exist in the Democratic People's Republic of Korea.

Is Greenland green? Isn't Iceland greener? Is Iceland icier than Greenland? Or is Greenland icier than Iceland?

I've got so many questions...

Are jellyfish fish?
Are guinea pigs pigs?
Is a hot dog an overwarm canine?
Why I can't make shortbread in my breadmaker!?!?!?!

You could write the reply with lead in your pencil (sorry, meant graphite) but you should put your tin foil (sorry, meant aluminium) hat on in case you get disagreed with or flamed but I don't think you'll literally get attacked with a flamethrower or napalm.

You really should chalk up (sorry, gypsum, not chalk) a good talking point on TW here. It really tickled my funny bone (sorry... my ulnar nerve)!

Peter Barry
27 Posted 11/06/2014 at 11:46:56
Paul Andrews, my reading on the subject has been extensive and spread over many, many years and far too many to list books on WW2 the causes of WW2 the downfall of the SOCIALIST NAZI regime. I would even read Graham Mockford's book if he had the wit and intelligence to be able to write one.

This webpage might enlighten you:
And this one:
And this one:

Peter Barry
28 Posted 11/06/2014 at 12:00:50
But what specifically established de facto socialism in Nazi Germany was the introduction of price and wage controls in 1936. These were imposed in response to the inflation of the money supply carried out by the regime from the time of its coming to power in early 1933.

The Nazi regime inflated the money supply as the means of financing the vast increase in government spending required by its programs of public works, subsidies, and rearmament. The price and wage controls were imposed in response to the rise in prices that began to result from the inflation.

The effect of the combination of inflation and price and wage controls is shortages, that is, a situation in which the quantities of goods people attempt to buy exceed the quantities available for sale.

And that's Socialism for you.

Peter Gorman
29 Posted 11/06/2014 at 11:56:59
Christ, I can't believe I'm still biting but it seems obvious that a surprising number of people here don't actually know what socialism is.

OED definition: A political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.

So, nothing about 'internationalism' 'left-wing' or 'generally being nice and pinko and anything other than those rotters on the right'.

I myself hesitate to use the term socialist for the Nazis (precisely because so many have pre-conceived notions of the term) but it is emphatically NOT "a load of bollocks" to do so.

The Nazis were both nationalist (just a bit, like) and socialist.... National Socialists if you will.

Andrew Ellams
30 Posted 11/06/2014 at 12:01:46
You can argue all day about the politics of Hitler, Mao etc. but basically none of them had any hard and fast political principles. It was all about doing what was needed to assume the control that comes with a good old fashioned, non-democratic dictatorship fuelled by a good bout of megalomania.
Tommy Meehan
31 Posted 11/06/2014 at 11:59:18
Here's a thought for the odious peddlers of inequality and avarice on here:

The richest 85 people in the world have as much wealth as the poorest three and a half billion, but obviously these wondrous 'strivers' have expended 41,176,470 times more energy than each one of the rag-taggle layabouts of the 'loser' countries of the world. And if you don't agree it means 'you love Hitler and Stalin and want everyone to be poor and live in a gulag, blah, blah, blah...'

Is it any wonder that fuckin jelly fish and cockroaches will inherit the earth when humans have finished bleeding every last drop out of it?

Paul Andrews
32 Posted 11/06/2014 at 12:11:09

I will see your Ukip and raise you a Front National.

John Daley
33 Posted 11/06/2014 at 12:15:25
Peter Barry, so well read on the subject he knows more about Hitler's beliefs than the Lego brick tashed little bastard himself:

In his book 'Mein Kampf', Hitler wrote:

"The suspicion was whispered in German Nationalist circles that we also were merely another variety of Marxism, perhaps even Marxists suitably disguised, or better still, Socialists... We used to roar with laughter at these silly faint-hearted bourgeoisie and their efforts to puzzle out our origin, our intentions and our aims".

Also might find the word 'National' placed in front of 'Socialist' plays some importance as well.

Graham Mockford
34 Posted 11/06/2014 at 12:22:10
Peter Barry #28

When you have finished 'extensively reading' the right wing bollocks you find through Google, try something with a different point of view

Tony J Williams
35 Posted 11/06/2014 at 12:25:35
Fuck all your arguments, Hitler was a Koppite - FACT!

Brian Harrison
36 Posted 11/06/2014 at 12:26:31
Michael/Lyndon I suggest you pull the plug on all this political debate, I am sure there are forums they can go on if that's what they want to discuss.

Back to football I see Redknapp has suggested Roberto or Rodgers takes over from Hodgson after the World Cup. Now maybe my memory isn't what it used to be but wasn't Harry one of those not so long ago saying an Englishman should manage England?

Alan Brown
37 Posted 11/06/2014 at 12:13:44
Wow, this thread has really taken off. It has certainly given me a lot to think about.

Religion, politics, the price of fish in Garston market when I was a small boy. It's all here somewhere. Jellyfish will inherit the earth, subject to tax of course. By god, I love ToffeeWeb some days.

Does anyone know what shade of brown shoes goes best with a blue suit?

Peter Gorman
38 Posted 11/06/2014 at 12:38:31
Here, here Brian Harrison (36)

On to football; Our old friend Bily is available at a snip under 2M with Palace apparently interested. Who would welcome him back to Goodison and does anyone think Martinez will get more out of him than OFM?

Brent Stephens
39 Posted 11/06/2014 at 12:35:14
Paul #32 I raise you a Golden Dawn and a Marine Le Pen. And throw in a Joseph McCarthy for good measure.
Brian Denton
40 Posted 11/06/2014 at 12:30:26
Graham Mockford, I have just read that article but I would venture to suggest that Mr 'UPPERCASE' Barry won't. Too long for a start. But thanks for the link, it did make for interesting reading although it merely confirmed my understanding. However, one can find Google articles to support any views. Alas, providing a hyperlink to an article is not a clincher, from either left or right.

Sigh... but I think we can all agree with Tony J Williams. Surprising that Beryl Bainbridge didn't emphasis this in her book.

Graham Mockford
41 Posted 11/06/2014 at 12:51:27

Absolutely, which is why I stated it was a different point of view.

One that most, other than the crackpot right wingers, would tend to agree with though.

Peter Mills
42 Posted 11/06/2014 at 13:15:16
I would opt for a mid-tan, not new, something with a bit of age which has been polished with dark tan or even black to provide a degree of antiquity.
Paul Turner
43 Posted 11/06/2014 at 13:45:53
"Brown Shoes Don't Make It" - Frank Zappa.
Not a Nazi.
Much better 'tache than Hitler's.

However, let's give Snr Martinez the deserved kudos for what he's achieved here at this club so far; long may the improvements continue!

Danny Kewley
44 Posted 11/06/2014 at 15:06:33
Old Brown Shoe The Beatles

Hope Bobby's brown winklepickers get old with the club.

Paul Ferry
45 Posted 11/06/2014 at 15:44:11
Sorry Eds, I didn't mean to start this one...
Eugene Ruane
46 Posted 11/06/2014 at 16:20:51
"Michael/Lyndon I suggest you pull the plug on all this political debate, I am sure there are forums they can go on if that's what they want to discuss" - Brian Harrison.

Don't you just know, as a kid, "I'm telling" was never far from his lips?

As for Peter 'Max Hastings' Barry - " reading on the subject has been extensive and spread over many, many years and far too many to list books on WW2 the causes of WW2 the downfall of the SOCIALIST NAZI regime"

My guess, Sven Hassel featured heavily.

As Spencer Tracy said to Ernest Borgnine in Bad Day At Black Rock (when accused of being a 'yeller-bellied Jap lover'): "Not only are you wrong, you're wrong at the top of your voice."

Alan McGuffog
47 Posted 11/06/2014 at 16:41:07
Adolf Hitler only had one goolie. As did Dixie Dean. Spooky or wot ?
Phil Sammon
48 Posted 11/06/2014 at 16:47:29
Look at the mess you've caused, Ferry!
Si Cooper
50 Posted 11/06/2014 at 16:41:30
Graham (21) - people are going to be giving me some very strange looks for the rest of today when I inexplicably spasm with laughter!

The OP is well over the top but the world needs a fair few 'cheerleaders' like Dom to balance out the grumpy hordes. This season can only be considered as a bright start and will only ultimately be judged as a true success if it lays the foundations for more tangible achievements from now on (and I am not just saying that because Darren Hind is on my case).

'To each according to his contribution' and ultimately 'from each according to his ability, to each according to his needs'. If you could make these things work then I think the world would be a better place.

Paul Tran
51 Posted 11/06/2014 at 17:04:44
Never mind the politics, back to the football. I'm completely with Michael on this one.

As someone who is a big supporter and at times on here early last season, a defender of Martinez, I'm noticing some horrible parallels between the current lauding of Martinez and that of his predecessor.

Last season saw us finish in a satisfactory position. I think he laid down some good foundations for the future. I think that he's starting a pattern of play that has more chance of long-term success than previous methods.

But, that's it. at times last season we were fabulous, at times we were downright dull and ponderous. As under the previous regime, people are starting tot see what they want to see.

You can't deny a good 5th place finish and a record number of wins - it's progress. It doesn't make him any more successful than the last guy, who, for the umpteenth time, I had no time for.

I'm not prepared to compare him with the worst ones. Like all our other managers, I'll compare him with Kendall and Catterick. When he gets close to those two, I'll really begin to laud him!

Paul Andrews
52 Posted 11/06/2014 at 17:14:22

A record number of wins does make him more successful than the last manager. Not in trophies but in performance over a season

Brian Denton
53 Posted 11/06/2014 at 18:03:59
Eugene, that's a gross calumny on Sven Hassell! His books always came across to me as a good representation of the sufferings of 'the poor bloody infantry' on both sides. Certainly party men (eg Julius Heide) and cabbage-junker Obergefreiters were always bad guys, whereas the anarchic Porta and the wonderful 'Old Man' were very sympathetic characters.

I devoured those books as a kid, maybe even more so than old Mr Upper Case himself.

Geoff Harrison
54 Posted 11/06/2014 at 18:01:50
I often quickly scroll through the threads on TW (usually to see if Eugene has commented). It's easy to pick up on the general sense of the topic and chuckle at some of the vicious barbs.

This particular one was like a surrealist nightmare. It seemed mad. Unfortunately, to try and make sense of it, I had to be arsed to go back to the beginning and read it all.

It's still mad. But some of the political ignorance is stunning and a little bit scary. Let's stick to slagging each other off for more trivial reasons, so I can scan through happily.

Ian Glassey
55 Posted 11/06/2014 at 18:38:33
See our Roberto in the Echo, been running along the beach in his Everton training top, what a guy...
Eugene Ruane
56 Posted 11/06/2014 at 18:49:35
Geoff, pint?
Colin Glassar
57 Posted 11/06/2014 at 18:53:10
Roberto could do the treble next season and will still have his critics who will slag him off. Last season was great and this season will be even better.

I'm really surprised that there's not a World Cup, Blatter slag off thread on here. Isn't anyone interested?

Eugene Ruane
59 Posted 11/06/2014 at 19:34:12
Colin 57 - "I'm really surprised that there's not a World Cup, Blatter slag off thread on here. Isn't anyone interested?"

Ummm...what colour are his shoes?

Danny Kewley
60 Posted 11/06/2014 at 19:26:15
Don't know if it's the title of this article sounding like a Scorsese (good name for a striker!) movie or it just a great mad thread! Some of the posts have had me in stitches.

Agree with Colin things seem quiet as regards the twat who has got the top job in football'

Graham Mockford
61 Posted 11/06/2014 at 19:48:32

After some 'EXTENSIVE READING' I have discovered that Sepp Blatter is a Socialist. Who'd have known?

Graham Mockford
62 Posted 11/06/2014 at 19:50:08
For anyone interested

Ron Sear
63 Posted 11/06/2014 at 19:54:34
To hell with the politics, it's the brown shoeism which is outrageous. What on earth is wrong with somebody who clearly has a better fashion sense than the average Kirkdale hoodie or for that matter the run of the mill Liverpool scouse male.

Liverpool is full of spectacular women and girls who look after their appearance but the average Merseyside male since the end of the seventies doesn't give a damn. For thirty years market stall chic has reigned supreme apart from the more stylish foreign students.

Cool gear should be compulsory in future at the Park End purely in honour of St Roberto.

Geoff Harrison
64 Posted 11/06/2014 at 20:20:54
Definitely Eugene. I need to plan a timetable of drinking in between and during the world cup. My email is
Are you in the Northern hemisphere?
Eugene Ruane
65 Posted 11/06/2014 at 20:05:22
Ron (63) - Agree.

Basically, by dressing the way they do (ie: ready for bed 24/7) loads of Liverpool fellers appear to be saying "I give up! I simply can't be arsed doing up a button, I'm going elasticated because it's easier".

Imo, if you're not training and you're walking about in a trackie, you might as well walk around wearing a sandwich board that says "MEFF!" on the front

(and 'I smell like a cross between piss, sweat and sausage dinners' on the back).

Oh and as for the baggy t-shirt worn with below-the-knee shorts?

Pack it in, you look like a fucking massive American toddler.

As for the 'fairer' sex, if only they were.

Sadly 'fair' is not a shade that could be applied to girls who look like Judith Chalmers after she's been laying in a bath full of Sunny-D for a month.

(siiiiiiiigh....siiiiigh....umph...when does the fucking season start again?)

Keith Glazzard
66 Posted 11/06/2014 at 20:44:00
Didn't Hitler used to live in Liverpool?

In fact he turned out for The RS Reserves, but there is no record as to whether this was on the left wing or the right wing as he was an early proponent of 'total football', or total something anyway. He was so popular, however, that pre-season training sessions were known locally as 'Mein Kampf'.

It is less clear that on his return to 'Der Farterland' (always good for a joke old Adolph) he persuaded Himmler that dressing in black would give them the same power as English referees. But this did turn out to be the case.

Next week: Liverpool's Paddy Murphy, cousin of Emperor Hirohito of Japan, pioneer of the surprise attack.

Gavin Ramejkis
67 Posted 11/06/2014 at 21:11:07
Brian #53 I too ploughed through many a Sven book in my younger days but also caned mountains of Commando and Victor comics too, in that line you should try The Forgotten Soldier by Guy Sajer which can be torn to shreds for blatant inaccuracies but doesn't detract from it being a decent read.

Ron #63 I've had a penchant for brown shoes especially a decent brogue with a suit for years as it stands out in office environments where I have worked as a tiny stand against conformity and a sea of black shoes. As I've gotten older and gone for it this has expanded to three piece suits, pocket watch, pocket squares and ties in offices with a smart casual dress code of not needing a tie - dress for the job you want not the one you have (christ knows what that job is dressed like something straight from the 30s and 40s)

Nail on the head regards the Hitler was a socialist angle too, he was a power mad little shitehawk that like all power mad little shitehawks do he saw his audience were a mass of disenfranchised people easily swayed with nationalistic drum beating and blame direction at the "foreigners" and promises of a better life if they backed him - no coincidence that the same sort of scaremongering anti foreigner chants got UKIP 15 minutes of fame and likewise the demonisation of lesser fortunates and the working classes has the Tories where they are supported ably by the old Daily Bigot and other assorted trash media outlets

Helen Mallon
68 Posted 11/06/2014 at 21:47:29
Boring... we have not signed anybody yet. Maybe a German socialist from Spain or something.
Raymond Fox
69 Posted 11/06/2014 at 21:21:13
Dear o'dear, just read this thread, poor old Dom was deserted much too soon.

For the tenth time 'I know', what does our mate Dave Whelan say even after Wigan were eliminated. 'Bobby' is the best manager in the world, Utd should have signed him not 'freezer Moyes'.

I kinda agree, if we had City's, Chelsea's, shite's or Utd's finance, we were on a level playing field in other words, I would back us to win the Prem. under Martinez's leadership.

As for Socialism, If I start a business and it fails losing all my money, tough! If it succeeds, then I should share my profits with rest of society. Notice anything wrong with that!

Long live Dom, I say!

Keith Glazzard
71 Posted 11/06/2014 at 22:02:33
Raymond - your business fails. No home, no health care, no education for your children.

Or would you prefer a 'safety net' which is all that British socialism has ever been.

Sweden (with a monarch, just like the UK) does it better. A full welfare system, excellent education for all and the 8th highest per capita income in the world (with next to no child poverty). They can play football to.

Raymond Fox
72 Posted 11/06/2014 at 22:20:07
Hell fire, just noticed, in my last post 69.

Substitute Wigan relegated, instead of Wigan eliminated.
Which do you prefer?

Brent Stephens
73 Posted 11/06/2014 at 22:15:49
Methinks Raymond #69 wouldn't want any of that welfare state nonsense if his business failed. He wouldn't be straight down the dole office, would he! "I paid my taxes blah blah, I'm due me dole". No, he wouldn't be saying that. And he wouldn't have a bar of that council tax relief, or housing allowance, or child benefit. And when he gets older, he'll refuse to accept the winter fuel payment. He'd stand on his own two feet. And he'll pay ALL his health costs by going private, never going to a hospital A&E dept for his kids.

Raymond Fox
74 Posted 11/06/2014 at 22:29:46
Keith and Brent.
What about the house that I've lost and my hard earned life savings I've also lost, do I get those back?
Derek Thomas
75 Posted 11/06/2014 at 22:55:36
Dearie, oh dearie me, what a carry on, and no mistake. Eugene suggested a pint, well if that aint the best post of the day Ill eat my hat.

So to that end I now declare the 1st ToffeeWeb pop-up virtual bar and bistro now open

Whats everybody having... first drink free.............

Brent Stephens
76 Posted 11/06/2014 at 23:03:06
Raymond, I guess if your business has failed, then nobody is going to give you back that house and the savings you've invested. But you would get the safety net benefits (if benefits is not too demeaning or against your principles). I certainly wouldn't want you or your family to starve or be homeless, having made an honest attempt at making a go of things.
Eugene Ruane
77 Posted 11/06/2014 at 23:25:46
Ray, genuinely curious, is there some 'self-made-man' rulebook that says "Whenever referring to your own money, always ALWAYS refer to it as 'hard-earned'.

Sounds to me like 4 years of (in effect) a conservative government hasn't done you many favours (or do you, like moon-faced Dave, prefer to grasp at 'it's the legacy of the last Labour government' whenever things go tits up).

Patrick Murphy
78 Posted 11/06/2014 at 23:22:22
Keith #66 I haven't heard mention of any of my relations playing for the other lot so this Paddy Murphy bloke must be an imposter - I've got the missus working overtime on the family tree to make sure there are no skeletons in the cupboard.
Keith Glazzard
79 Posted 11/06/2014 at 23:15:41
Raymond - nobody is being hard on you here. I think to most Brits of my generation 'socialism' means a very mixed economy. Sure, make it on your own, but pay your taxes as an honest citizen. And if it goes tits up, we're still here for you. I've mentioned places like Sweden who do it very well. You wouldn't want to be in the USA, the land of the free to starve although they would have taken your kids off you first.
Raymond Fox
80 Posted 11/06/2014 at 23:15:40
Brent, in my experience there is not a financial/political system that is all good, they all have failings. Major failings in fact, our so called democracy is an example.

It works of a fashion, but not very well!

Anyway mate, let's get back to Dom's topic.

Keith Glazzard
81 Posted 11/06/2014 at 23:30:13
Pat I had a press cutting from the '60s, and it is imprinted on my memory I hope. (I think I made up the dark side connection to build up the tension).

I'll do a bit of delving meself and get back.

Raymond Fox
82 Posted 11/06/2014 at 23:32:14
Keith, just seen your post mate.
The same reply I've given to Brent.
Keith Glazzard
83 Posted 11/06/2014 at 23:39:31
Thanks for that Ray.
Keith Glazzard
84 Posted 11/06/2014 at 23:43:49
Patrick - unless your great grandfather was Kanso Yoshida, 'relative' of Hirohito, sleep soundly man.

Apparently Alois Hitler, cousin of Adolph, was born in Liverpool. European immigration? What can you do?

The Glazzard family tree does have a player for the Dark Side Reserves, but also a goal scoring first division record holder who wore the royal blue jersey before he broke his leg and his career ended.

Raymond Fox
85 Posted 11/06/2014 at 23:38:46
Eugene, I was always self employed from leaving school to retirement at 65. No, I've done okay, not rich by any means. I think our political system is as good as we can make it; flawed yes, but I can't come up with a better one!

My point was that you have to make it worthwhile for individuals to risk their own assets, as I say I think our democracy is as good or better than any other.

And Eugene, money is usually hard earned! Not always I grant you.

Colin Glassar
86 Posted 12/06/2014 at 00:03:55
Eugene 59, Herr Blatter has a weakness for white platform shoes which increase his height to 5ft-4in. He also uses ladies underwear.
Patrick Murphy
87 Posted 12/06/2014 at 00:00:48
Thanks Keith I can rest easy now. Would your relation be Jimmy Glazzard who played 3 games for Everton in September 1956, Keith?
Dennis Stevens
88 Posted 12/06/2014 at 00:47:13
Tony J Williams #35 - Absotively! - That's why all those nazi flags were red rather than blue!
Peter Barry
89 Posted 12/06/2014 at 05:19:28
You always know when a 'Socialist' is losing the argument out come all the 'Ad Hominem' attacks and what's even more amusing is they don't even know they are doing it or realise how illogical they are being.
Paul Andrews
90 Posted 12/06/2014 at 06:03:20
Your up early Peter.
Off to the collective farm?
Darryl Ritchie
91 Posted 12/06/2014 at 06:21:51
Strangest thread ever... Interesting, but strange!

Eric Myles
92 Posted 12/06/2014 at 06:24:22
Alan #47, and you never saw both of them in the same room together.

Even spookier!!

Brent Stephens
93 Posted 12/06/2014 at 08:57:55
Raymond #80 - can't argue with that, mate.
Brian Denton
94 Posted 12/06/2014 at 10:35:51
Peter (89) we've hardly had an 'argument' (probably not one for this site) we've had an exchange of assertions. I hardly consider myself to have 'lost the argument'.
Eugene Ruane
95 Posted 12/06/2014 at 11:44:34
Brian, he's just hacked off coz the sit-com he wrote was slated by the critics.


Paul Andrews
96 Posted 12/06/2014 at 13:44:15

It's not arguing we do on here,just exchange of points of view.

Don't take it to heart and Carry On Kampfing

Patrick Murphy
97 Posted 12/06/2014 at 14:10:55
Browsing the Echo's website news-live there is a picture at 12:46 which has Felli, Jelavic and Cahill along with YaYa Toure and Vincent Kompany advertising Warrior leisurewear - Am I being cynical but I don't remember seeing so many ex-Everton players featuring in an advertisement campaign before. Warrior are the makers of our neighbours kits are they not?

WC Ex-Everton

Brian Denton
98 Posted 12/06/2014 at 16:53:15
Eugene, I'd forgotten about that sitcom. Isn't it regularly voted the worst ever, cancelled after one episode? Mr Barry has a lot to answer for. Oddly enough I'm just off to Berlin in an hour or so. I shall pass on Peter's BEST WISHES.
Eric Myles
99 Posted 13/06/2014 at 04:37:19
Patrick #97, I seem to remember something about Fellaini having a contract with Warrior when he was with us. Didn't he wear their boots?
Paul Tran
100 Posted 13/06/2014 at 16:07:45
Paul, you've proved my point with this quote:

"A record number of wins does make him more successful than the last manager. Not in trophies but in performance over a season."

Better than Moyes? Big bloody deal. Just as when Moyes was in charge, I'll compare him with our best managers, rather than the under-achieving predecessors.

Why not just enjoy the progress so far, and save the hyberbole for when he actually wins something?

Jim Lloyd
102 Posted 13/06/2014 at 16:37:46
We might never be able to judge Robbie boy in comparison to Howard and Catterick. Both of those managers were able to compete for players and break club record buys, regularly.

It'll be interesting to see what happens in the transfer window and our beloved Cahirman has stated that he'd like to keep both Gareth Barry and Rommy Lukaku. I hope so too but I'm not holding my breath. Robbie has said he wants another six or seven players and I hope he can bring in young exciting players and continue to build up a mix of youngsters and experienced players.

Better than Moyes? Hard to say after one season but I'm certainly impressed with his knowledge of our club, the way he has immediately taken an interest in our younger palyers (which according to their coach, Moyes never did) and I'm impressed by the football he's got our players producing and I might be wrong but the atmosphere at the end of this first season seems to me to be one of hope reborn amongst many fans.

I must admit I was no fan of Catterick's and I think he done our club more harm than good (maybe a bit harsh there but I think we would have done better...much better with someone like Joe Mercer.) Howard did brilliant for a spell in his first coming but sadly, he and moist of the best players left.

I think Dom has been a bit effusive I his praise but why shouldn't he. He feels good about having a manager who has instilled him with enthusiasm. He might be disappointed but who knows.

Considering it was his first season and he had to introduce is philosophy to a squad of players who were used to a more cautious approach, I think he has been excellent. This season it might be a different story as we'll have to see who comes in, who stays and who is sold but I must admit to looking forward to the season ahead.

Alan McGuffog
103 Posted 13/06/2014 at 18:25:02
Bloody Hell Jim... I thought I was hard to please. Catterick was a miserable sod and certainly was no match for Shankly in the PR arena. He also benefitted from Johnny Carey's spade work.

But two League Titles, the FA Cup, regular Fairs Cup places.....the signings of Ball, Wilson, Kendall , Morrissey ...c'mon, mate, he wasn't that bad.

Joe Mercer was a likeable fella but you could argue that a lot of Man City's success was down to Malcolm Allison.

Danny Kewley
104 Posted 13/06/2014 at 19:50:30
You're spot on Alan, and his brilliant coach Wilf Dixon.
Jim Lloyd
106 Posted 13/06/2014 at 21:08:42
Alan, you're right about me being hard to please there. I must have had my grumpy head on. But I was trying to explain how I felt about him selling Collins, buying Stevens, trying to ban the telly from Goodison, how he treated Youngy, selling Bally, etc.
Still, would have fancied us having Joe Mercer though
Alan McGuffog
108 Posted 13/06/2014 at 23:38:39
Jim, you are spot on about the TV. I, we, can only weep at the amount of stuff from the mid-sixties that was denied to us all by our attitude to the cameras.

I suspect you may have a year or two on me... did the Catt sell Collins? Will take your word for it... but Stevens was an unsung hero I recall. Two words... Frank Wignall!

Christopher Kelly
109 Posted 14/06/2014 at 15:15:36
What the hell did I just read?? Make sure you zip him up when you're done with him lololol.
Ray Said
110 Posted 14/06/2014 at 15:40:42
Even Gordon Lee who I despised rates higher than Moyes as he had a better record than Moyes. A 3rd place finish in 1978 and 4th in 1979 with a League Cup final to boot. We sacked him those were the days when 3rd and 4th wasn't good enough for the Blues.
Jimmy-Åge Sørheim
111 Posted 16/06/2014 at 01:59:31
Ray has a point. We lost a great chance to get CL in January, and Roberto CHOSE not to buy a real replacement for Jelavic and we suffered because of it.
Peter Howard
112 Posted 19/06/2014 at 00:05:51
Our Kevin had a piss with Gordon Lee on the way back from the West Ham semi.I just missed out as I had got back on the coach!

On a serious note,he was a much maligned manager who drove me crackers but his ’record’ certainly bears scrutiny with the much-praised Moyes especially bearing in mind that he was up against the shite in their pomp.

By ’pomp’ I mean when they were winning the league by going a goal up,keeping it tight,passing back to the ’keeper from the half-way line and nicking draws away from home.

Come to think of it,how odd it is that the red shite have stopped dominating the league since three points for a win and the abolition of the back-pass rule were introduced!

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