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Kone is still some way off full fitness

by | 29/08/2013  Comments (79)  jump
Roberto Martinez has indicated that it will be a few weeks before Arouna Kone is fully fit after the striker failed to capitalise on some good opportunities in the League Cup tie with Stevenage last night.

Kone appeared jaded throughout his pre-season performances, not helped by observing Ramadan which meant he had to fast during the hours of daylight, and after he missed three open goals last night, his manager said that his main summer acquisition to date is not yet match sharp.

“I think it'll be a couple of weeks before Arouna is fully fit. It think that will be just the normal time.

“He's not far away physically from his best moment last season. But it's been a testing summer for him with Ramadan and his personal situation.

“I thought when he came on Saturday he showed he is ready and desperate to perform. I don't think he's too far away from being at his best level.”

Quotes or other material sourced from Liverpool Daily Post

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Patrick Murphy
279 Posted 29/08/2013 at 14:41:47
I assume Ramadan is an annual festival, did he have the same fitness levels last season? RM should have been aware of the possibility of it and made provisions for it. It's not as if Kone has just joined us, he has been with Everton for all of the pre-season.
Alan Humphreys
286 Posted 29/08/2013 at 14:44:09
So this will be a yearly occurrence then... Missing sitters !

He'll fit right in with our current strike force!

Trevor Lynes
290 Posted 29/08/2013 at 14:45:56
For your information, Ramadan moves back ten days each year so next year will be that much earlier. It is not a fixed period. It should not affect a players fitness as they eat at night and I'm sure that every Premier League club have more than enough fitness and diet coaches/doctors to ensure the player remains fit enough to do his job effectively. Many clubs have Muslim players and Ramadan is not a reason for lack of energy.
Eric Myles
299 Posted 29/08/2013 at 14:56:46
Indeed Trevor, as I pointed out on another thread, it's not going without food entirely, it's just eating at a different time of day and he, and other muslim players, would have gone through it for many seasons in their careers.

First time I've ever heard it as an excuse though.

Dave Weston
303 Posted 29/08/2013 at 15:02:34
What kind of excuse is that for a player who has played for a number of seasons in the Premier League, how many other Muslim players go through Ramadan and are not fit following a full pre-season of training and tour matches?

To me, I think he is not as good as people think he is. 13 goals last season is the realm of many strikers who are average at best and poor at the worst. Ramadan and eating habits are not the cause of lack of skill and ability. I hope I am proven totally wrong and he is our next legend number nine but what I have seen up to now including last season's performances is not promising.

Eugene Ruane
305 Posted 29/08/2013 at 14:43:40
Because of our piss-poor status, when buying players, we need to get the maximum amount of player for the minimum amount of money.

We know we're never going to be in the market for a Ibrahimavic or a Messi and we know we can't afford to have a couple of miserable-looking, 100 grand a week strikers refusing to play coz the manager looked at them 'funny'.

Basically, we need to see every penny we spend working it's nuts off.

That is why I don't understand why we would entertain the following.

Players who takes Ramadan seriously and therefore can't perform during pre-season and aren't going to be strong enough until 6/7/8 games of the season have been played.

Players who may fuck off to Africa for the cup of nations (or if Yak's performance was anything to go by - 'The Cup Of Meet Up With Your Mates And Family And Hammer The Bar-B-Q')

This might seem a little..um..'intolerant' but this is not the case - my ONLY concern is that when Everton ARE able to cobble 5/6m nicker together to buy a striker, I'd like to think we're getting every cents worth.

The player's only distraction should be how big his daft headphones should be (XXXXL or XXXXXL?)

By the way, my girlfriend is French-Algerian and a month back (in shite French) I was wishing her mam 'felicitacions' on (at 84!) completing Ramadan.

The difference is, she doesn't play for Everton

(although should we decide we need to replace Osman....)

Susong Hermawan
306 Posted 29/08/2013 at 15:07:48
Agree with #290. Ramadhan month is not a main reason. The main reason is he's unproven, poor and overvalue.. 6m for this player? Is a joke!
Alan McGuffog
314 Posted 29/08/2013 at 15:21:21
Why is it always us?

God almighty, it's like having a centre-forward who can't play well on hard pitches 'cos he gets blisters on his tootsies. Remember him?

Wasn't bad though!

Drew Shortis
323 Posted 29/08/2013 at 15:20:31
I agree that Ramadan is not excuse for lack of fitness. What I saw last night was a player who was not mentally sharp enough. Physically he looked fine, lots of energy and running and he completed a full 120 minutes so he obviously isn't crocked.

I'm not defending his poor finishing last night, he should have had a hat trick and possibly won a penalty. What I will say is that it his overall contribution was pretty good. He got involved in the build-up play, had some good hold-up play and at least he had the opportunities to score. If he carries on getting the chances they will start going in. Strikers thrive on confidence and once he scores his touch will improve.

Its as if people want him to fail so they can say they were right all along. I'm realistic enough to realise our three main strikers are not of the highest quality and none are the 20 goal a year striker we crave, but we have to work with what we got and rubbishing them at every opportunity won't help matters.

Phil Sammon
325 Posted 29/08/2013 at 15:34:45
I don't understand how anyone can deny that Ramadan will have an effect on a player. Different people observe it in different ways, but for some it can mean going without water as well as food for 16 hours every day. How can you be expected to perform to the best of your ability while putting yourself through that?!

I saw enough of Kone last night to know he will be an asset for us.

The African Nations Cup (remember when it's name made sense?) is another matter altogether. What a farce.

Geoff Freeman
332 Posted 29/08/2013 at 15:48:28
Alan, but what a player Tenderfoot was, though he'd get pulled apart on this site.
Eric Myles
333 Posted 29/08/2013 at 15:51:44
I wonder why it's only this season that Ramadan is an excuse for players poor performance? How many years has Fellaini been with us and it's never been mentioned?

And did Martinez ever bleat about it when Kone was at Wigan?

Or any other managers of teams with Muslin players?

How many EPL games have been stopped for the players to observe the call to prayer?

Kristian Boyce
334 Posted 29/08/2013 at 15:57:27
I've figured out why Osman is terrible right now, with his Arab sounding name he must be suffering from Ramadan observance as well. Neville must of become a Muslim as well last year.
Dave Weston
338 Posted 29/08/2013 at 15:54:44
I don't think anybody is rubbishing the player, I believe most here think he is an average striker and nothing more and using his fitness because of his religious observing as a reason is not acceptable, however I would say what money we do have left if any we must spend very wisely and not pay over the odds for overrated players especially now in the transfer window silly period when panic buying for the sake of buying players has now arrived. I said earlier I hope I am proven wrong and we do have a striker who can score twenty goals a season playing for us but I am yet to be convinced whether it be Kone or anyone else.
Alan McGuffog
339 Posted 29/08/2013 at 16:06:08
Geoff. Referring to he whose name we are not worthy to utter. I was about to say that you'd never get a coach to get him to "track back", defend corners and generally "put a foot in".

But then I looked at some footage on the interwebby thingy... shows a full MotD from 1967, first game of season and we battered Man Utd 3 - 1. Watch it if you can... the person to whom we refer was well back behind the ball when needed and put in a few good tackles besides scoring a pearler.

Also worthy of note is a tackle that Howard puts in on Georgie boy... the ground shudders!

Phil Walling
341 Posted 29/08/2013 at 16:10:55
I noticed Moeen Ali who has the longest beard in county cricket scored centuries on successive days last week as well as bowling a full quota of overs.He said he still ate as much but not during hours of light. Kone is 'wagging 'it !
Raymond Fox
343 Posted 29/08/2013 at 15:19:28
Susong 306.

His finishing last night was off but everything else was good. When he came on for 20 mins against West. Brom. we looked more dangerous immediately.

So you've made your mind up already on one match & 20 mins that he's useless, alright, the guy scored 13 goals playing for Wigan last season. It's London to an onion that he'll be an important player for us, care to bet?

Michael Kenrick
345 Posted 29/08/2013 at 16:29:26
"London to an onion"

What the fuck?

James Stewart
349 Posted 29/08/2013 at 16:28:36
Have to agree with Raymond@343

Yes his finishing was garbage but he held the ball up well and has pace which causes defences problems they just don't have when playing against flat foots like Jelavic and Vic.

Kone should start at Cardiff.

Drew Shortis
351 Posted 29/08/2013 at 16:32:29
Phil Sammon 325
I have been defending Kone here, but going without food for 16 hours isn't enough to throw off his whole pre-season. Make sure you stock up in the mornings and evenings and the worst you might get is the odd grumble from your belly. Liquids are a different matter and running about for long periods in the hot sun without a drink would be tough, but surely not enough to destroy his pre-season.

His fitness was not the issue last night, it was his sharpness. Martinez is making excuses for him when he should have said "Arouna missed a couple of great opportunities tonight. I was happy with his contribution and I'm fully confident that he will be more focused in our next game and not let chances like that go begging again.". Sometimes bullshit is not the best policy!

Geoff Freeman
356 Posted 29/08/2013 at 16:35:49
Alan, many thanks for that I'll try and find that mod for 1967. Do you remember his partner in crime he could take a pen better than Baines
Harold Matthews
358 Posted 29/08/2013 at 15:57:05
Like it or not, he's with us now and we'll just have to hope for the best.
He certainly didn't lack movement but the expected sharpness wasn't there.
The whole thing is so unprofessional it boggles the mind. Even worse. Our manager doesn't expect him to be fully fit till the end of September and this is "normal".
Thank God Evertonians have a great sense of humour. Without it we'd all be in straitjackets.
James Marshall
362 Posted 29/08/2013 at 16:51:18
No shit.

The main reason is because he's not very good at football from what I can tell.

He was in the right place on more than one occasion, which to me would indicate his fitness wasn't too terrible - it was his ability to kick the pigs bladder into the onion bag which was the problem.

James Marshall
363 Posted 29/08/2013 at 16:53:13
*inability
Barry Rathbone
368 Posted 29/08/2013 at 16:49:49
Massive advocate for RM but I have my doubts over this lad he was either outright unplayable through his power, a la Drogba, or couldn't kick a ball straight at Wigan.

Leathering the ball over after beating a man 6 yards out is lack of composure - Ramadan doesn't figure, he needs to up his game pronto.

Thomas Windsor
369 Posted 29/08/2013 at 16:49:08
Alan,

I was at that match against Man Utd in the 1967-68 season. They were the Champions and also went on to win the European Cup. Alex Young had a great game but Man of the Match for us by far was little curly Alan Ball. If Bale is worth £85 million, Ball would be worth over £100 million, he was that good.

Tony Draper
373 Posted 29/08/2013 at 16:32:13
As strikers, Vic, Nikica & Arouna all need to up their game

Tucking the ball in the onion bag is NOT more difficult for them than it is for their team-mates, is it ?

Tony Draper
375 Posted 29/08/2013 at 17:24:21
Straightjackets Harold ?

Don't tell me yours still hasn't arrived ?
Mine fits like a glove, a weird, crotch hugging, debilitating glove that draws some "looks" in Asda and makes entering my PIN a bit of a "performance" admittedly

Danny Jones
380 Posted 29/08/2013 at 17:11:01
Changes to diet, what you eat and when, may impact performance but I don't think it is very relevant here. The man is a striker. If he scores a couple, he'll start looking sharper and fitter. He'll also start to settle in better with the rest of the players. I'm not worried about him.

I'd be more worried if we had a boozer or a fat bloke like me on the books. Adhering to Ramadan shows a discipline from which other footballers might learn.

Christopher Kelly
394 Posted 29/08/2013 at 18:08:25
He'll figure it out. At 29 he is what he is. He blows hot and cold and right now he just needs to catch a break and he'll be off and running.

no need to bullshit us with fabrications of Ramadan. Give us a break. Don't disrespect our intellect. The man just is in a slump due to a move.

With that said, the boy needs to IMPROVE stat. Those misses were frightening.

Ross Norman
402 Posted 29/08/2013 at 18:16:52
I just hope he doesn’t turn out to be the next Ibrahima Bakayoko this season.

At least there isn’t an African Cup of Nations this year, mind you he wouldn’t make the Ivory Coast squad at the moment. I would of preferred to have seen Lacina Traore come to Everton, considering Anzhi Makhachkala are having a fire sale at the moment. Someone who makes Peter Crouch look small never mind Baines, Pienaar and Osman.

Phil Sammon
403 Posted 29/08/2013 at 17:56:24
Drew Shortis

Yes, it was a lack of sharpness that cost him last night - I'm not blaming that on his fasting. I'm just saying that the reason he's not played much pre-season is because he wasn't in the right state.

I also said on a previous thread that Kone should have forfeited his wage whilst he wasn't giving football his best efforts. That didn't go down well.

Raymond Fox
407 Posted 29/08/2013 at 18:20:12
I must be watching a different game to some of you, yes he blasted one attempt over bar when should have hit the target, there was a heading attempt where he had to lean backwards & couldn't get high enough, not his fault, all his other chances were stopped on the line by defenders, lets have it right!
Check it out on the highlights.

Michael K,
London to an onion means its a certainly, a bookie would lay you the value of London ie, a gigantic fortune if you bet an onion ie. worth bugger all! in other words I'm saying its a certainty that Kone will be a good acquisition for us.

Mike Rourke
408 Posted 29/08/2013 at 18:39:11
Even though our glimpses of malnourished Arouna have left us feeling that he isn't fit to wipe Brett Angel's arse that still leaves him as our number one striker ahead of Anichebe who is shit, Jelly who is dogshit and Vellios who has clearly ceased to exist.

When we lose Fellaini on Monday night I hope with every once of my blue soul that someone with a bit of nous says "Alright, he's yours, but only if you chuck in Javier Hernandez"

Jim Knightley
409 Posted 29/08/2013 at 18:41:29
Maybe give Kone a few more matches before righting him off? He has moved clubs... players don't always hit the ground running. Some of you guys are too reactionary imo. Personally, I didn't want us to buy him because of his age, but I think he will do a decent job for us, and is an improvement on Anichebe and Jelavic long term.

Martinez also referred to his 'personal situation', which ostensibly transcends the Ramadan issue some are fixated on. Perhaps there is more to it than we are aware?

Tommy Coleman
413 Posted 29/08/2013 at 18:52:37
It's Everton to a lemon that a lot of people in this thread will be thankfully wrong about Kone.

I saw enough in his link up play and touch to know he will very good for us this season, it was obvious to me he wasn't sharp and reacting as quick as he can.

I reckon at least 15 goals this season and lots of important link up play.

COYK

Gary Carter
421 Posted 29/08/2013 at 19:02:48
It's all just very poor spin from BK's spin doctor. Kone was shite last night, mainly because he is shite in general but RM has to come up with a reason for it because he signed him. I was mystified when he did, he's African, he's quite old and he's not very good, a massive waste of 6 million. Still, at least he got him in quickly and didn't dither, eh lads !!!!
Ross Edwards
427 Posted 29/08/2013 at 19:18:59
Short of target practice as well by the look of it.
Colin Glassar
434 Posted 29/08/2013 at 19:24:10
Is Ramadan every year or is it like the world cup, every four years? If its every year then were fucked.
Ross Edwards
435 Posted 29/08/2013 at 19:26:48
It's every year Colin.
Mark Tanton
436 Posted 29/08/2013 at 19:27:25
But don't worry Colin, Ivory Coast might not qualify for it next year!
Wayne Smyth
438 Posted 29/08/2013 at 19:23:00
Tommy, I share your opinion.

He looked sharp, got into the right positions and overall his play was very good.

He did miss several chances, including a couple of fairly easy ones, but he showed enough to make me think he'll do really well for us this season after a couple of games to get sharpness. To me he looks a better all-round striker than Jelly.

Wasn't only him that missed chances last night either. Naismith and Osman(amongst others) both missed fairly easy chances if I recall correctly.

Wayne Smyth
440 Posted 29/08/2013 at 19:31:12
that should've said *wasn't* sharp
Jamie Tulacz
449 Posted 29/08/2013 at 19:56:43
Give the guy a bit more than 1 game before judging him... Blimey not slow to jump on someone's back a lot of you guys!
Marc Sansum
451 Posted 29/08/2013 at 19:56:06
i haven't seen the highlights yet of last nights game. Did he actually miss the easy goal, or was it saved? Just I thought I saw on the BBC match report that the keeper made a good save?
Joe Edwards
452 Posted 29/08/2013 at 19:55:50
Fit or not fit , missing easy sitters against a team like Stevenage is unforgivable, Deulofeu played his first competitive football last night and was outstanding , sharp on the ball quick down the line and showed great awareness with his crosses, Kone on the other hand looked like Stuart Barlow with a tan I would persevere with Jelly any day of the week
Danny James
455 Posted 29/08/2013 at 19:58:45
Ramadan had nothing to do with him missing those chances. It was his first start with a new team. Its all to do with sorting out his timing and getting used to his new team mates. We had 31 chances last night. He just missed a couple of sitters. What are the other players excuses? I can easily see him score double figures this season. I'm more worried about Jelavic than him tbh
Gavin Ramejkis
456 Posted 29/08/2013 at 20:06:53
Danny thats all well if you ignore the two blatant chances when he checked his run forward into the goal, if he hadn't for either of those he would have scored two of the easiest goals of his career, tiredness, full moon or whatever excuse you want to pull out of a hat don't explain fairly rudimentary skill of attacking a ball all the way into the goal.
Wayne Smyth
465 Posted 29/08/2013 at 20:31:34
I noticed a few times he made great runs off the ball, but our players didn't release it; instead going sideways.

Players take time to settle and our players will need to get used to a different type of forward to Jelly or Anichebe and learn how to get the best out of him.

Anyone can have a shit day at the office; Jelly had a shit full season and missed far easier chances than Kone did, yet most of us(rightly) are still giving him the benefit of the doubt. People shouldn't write off a 29 year old international who scored a decent return in previous seasons solely on the back of just 90 minutes of football with a new team.

Raymond Fox
476 Posted 29/08/2013 at 20:55:00
As I said in my previous post he blasted a good chance over the bar granted, but just check on all these misses you say he made, he didn't miss they were blocked on the line by defenders.
Check it out on the highlights on Everton TV.
I'm not Kones dad by the way, I'm his mum!
Gavin McGarvey
484 Posted 29/08/2013 at 21:14:54
What's the 'personal situation' bit? That may be the problem rather than fasting for Ramadan (which is meant to be good for you in a detox kind of way).
Phil Sammon
491 Posted 29/08/2013 at 21:33:25
Gavin

He's just given birth allegedly Gavin.

Dick Fearon
503 Posted 29/08/2013 at 21:54:00
Hope he isn't in an African cup of nations squad. That, on top of Rahmadan would be all we need.
Colin Grierson
511 Posted 29/08/2013 at 21:57:36
Raymond 343

WTF does "London to an onion" mean?

Raymond Fox
528 Posted 29/08/2013 at 22:10:47
Colin, it just an humorous betting expression for values, meaning London's worth a countless fortune, say £100 trillion while an onion is worth 10p.
What I was saying was that I'm that confident that Kone will be a good acquisition & that
if he gives me a onion & Kone is a flop I have to give him £100 trillion, meaning I think its a certainty he will turn out a good buy.
The expression could just as well be London to a bar of soap!
Hope you understand my ramblings.
David Graves
538 Posted 29/08/2013 at 22:54:44
There is no doubt that fasting during Ramadan would effect a professional sportsman's performance but it finished over 3 weeks ago so it has nothing to do with Kone's performance last night.
Jamie Sweet
585 Posted 29/08/2013 at 23:37:21
I'll bet the moon to a spoon that he'll come good soon.
Harold Matthews
612 Posted 30/08/2013 at 00:31:18
Thanks for the laugh Tony. I needed it.
Eric Myles
675 Posted 30/08/2013 at 05:53:17
London to an onion

Everton to a lemon

London to a bar of soap

Is this an online footy forum or an online shopping channel?

Vince Hindson
680 Posted 30/08/2013 at 06:29:32
"Kone appeared jaded throughout his pre-season performances, not helped by observing Ramadan which meant he had to fast during the hours of daylight, and after he missed three open goals last night, his manager said that his main summer acquisition to date is not yet match sharp."

...which meant he chose to fast during the hours...

Tony J Williams
729 Posted 30/08/2013 at 09:17:12
Didn't Fellaini fast during Ramadan too? Just saying like!
Tony Draper
831 Posted 30/08/2013 at 13:49:43
I do not like players missing sitters

However, before running down our own, maybe some Evertonians really need to wise up

Ramadan does NOT occur at the same time each year, and this year Ramadan occurred through July/August

Abstinence from food, drink (including water) and sexual activity is required throughout Ramadan during daylight hours (up to 18 or 19 hours per day this year) factor in the warmest summer for quite a while and it is obvious that Muslims in Britain endured 30 days of exacting observation for their religion

Additional prayer (as much as 24 hrs on one certain day) is either required or undertaken

Given these conditions, Arouna Kone can easily be seen to have fair reasons as to why he may have struggled to match his team-mates during Ramadan

Most Muslims believe that following Ramadan they become they stronger for it and that

I hope that "Eid al-Fitr" began Arouna's resurgence and that spiritually, physically and mentally he is the stronger for his observance of Ramadan

Arouna is a Blue

Tony Draper
846 Posted 30/08/2013 at 14:37:43
I may be cast into the deepest darkest corners of hell for this, yet despite my enlightenend posting regarding the ninth month of the lunar Muslim calendar ie Ramadan

I still can not read nor say
Ramadan
without the need to follow it with

"Ding Dong"

Eric Myles
848 Posted 30/08/2013 at 14:48:36
Tony, they don't have to fast for 18 or 19 hours a day.

Example, if a muslim was in the land of the midnight sun when Ramadan fell would he fast for 30 days because there was no sunset?

Tony Draper
854 Posted 30/08/2013 at 14:57:28
Eric, Yes that would be in accordance with observation
I took my information from a Muslim website, and it did specifically mention Scandinavia and the difficulties of the elongated daytime

http://www.ramadantimetable.co.uk/ramadan-blog/263-the-purpose-of-ramadan-and-why-muslims-fast

Some years go I had 2 Saudi Arabian mates (One was a proper Blue) who were (pretty slack) Muslims who observed Ramadan, and even then it was a tough ask, but at that time Ramadan fell during November.

Remember that Islam is NOT a shilly shally faith like western versions of Christianity are, with ever increasingly diluted versions available for increasing degrees of heresy !

(I’m not religious at all BTW, though I do try to understand the chosen faith of others. Just can not get my head around the cult of "Anfieldism", makes fuckall sense to me !)

David Graves
903 Posted 30/08/2013 at 17:23:15
Tony - I don't need to wise up havng worked in Saudi during the month of Ramadan. Towards the end of the fasting period it does become physically demanding - but it finished on 7th August this year and I don't believe it affected Kone's performance on Wednesday. He was disappointing.
Tony Draper
918 Posted 30/08/2013 at 17:55:39
David, frankly I feel that the observances of Ramadan are well behind Arouna now, or at least they should be

In what I have read I have seen not a single word regarding "shooting boots", though in fairness, he really hasn't had much match practice
Even so, his lack of anticipation on Wednesday was actually worse than his absence of finishing

I don't want him to be shit, I want him to be incredible, he wasn't

Tony Draper
932 Posted 30/08/2013 at 18:15:13
But also David, as I said "some Evertonians"

If you are clued up then you are clued up, it was plain enough was it not ?

Harvey Miller
013 Posted 30/08/2013 at 22:10:17
Kone was awful on wednesday, I don't think I've ever seen such a poor performance from our #9 against a lowly opponent. After that I can't see him raising his game.Those PL defenders will ridicule him.
We badly need a striker who can score, at the moment we don't have one.
We also need a playmaker and a ball-winning defensive midfielder but every move for us will only happen if we sell Fellaini and/or Baines.
Mike Oates
119 Posted 31/08/2013 at 09:19:12
Here we go again , first match, gets himself into at least 4-5 good goal scoring opportunities, combination of poor touch, good goalkeeping, ill luck .... and he's now the worst bloody player since Brett Angell !!!!

Never mind its his first 90 min, he isn't yet match sharp, he as Ken Buckley would say joined in with some good joined up stuff . But NO he's now going to replace Phil Neville as your new whipping boy !!!. For Christ's sake give him 5-6 matches before you verbally rip him apart. Evertonians your joking !

Chris Morris
146 Posted 31/08/2013 at 10:55:13
If those complete sitter (including one on the goal line) had been missed by Naismith or Jelavic then there'd likely have been a public lynching for it!! Fasting or not, it's no excuse for being that crap in front of goal. Hopefully he comes good and we see him putting them away, but until then he has to accept that it was atrocious
David Graves
154 Posted 31/08/2013 at 11:25:32
Tony I didn't think it was clear that's why I posted. However if, as I now understand, you believe that Kone's fasting had little influence on the fact that he had a poor game then I agree with you.
Ross Kerry
585 Posted 01/09/2013 at 01:55:40
Kone will get more goals than Jelavic.
They are both of a similar standard (very good) but lets not bank on more than 12 goals out of either of them.
We need a prolific goalscorer and can't afford one.
Ernie Baywood
591 Posted 01/09/2013 at 02:21:59
A world class goalscorer would be wasted on us right now. We're not in the business of playing the forward through on goal. Might as well play Vic and save the 50M.

Ross Kerry
595 Posted 01/09/2013 at 02:30:38
Fair point Ernie. Hopefully that will change with time though.

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