Everton travelled to Upton Park for the penultimate game of the season against West Ham in the "battle for 10th" with Roberto Martinez choosing a surprise debut for 19-year-old Brendan Galloway over wantaway Luke Garbutt, who remained unused on the bench.
The home side kicked off in party atmosphere in the bright sunshine, but Coleman got forward early but his cross was cleared. Galloway was soon tested by Downing down West Ham's right.
Barkley fed a nice ball to Osman, who could only toe-poke when a harder shot was required and Adrian pushed it behind for a corner that Barkley drove in well but Lukaku whiffed at it horribly and Stones drove the bouncing ball wide. Everton had started well and were looking lively.
Creswell got in a shot that Howard bundled behind for a corner and McCarthy had to chest it out for another corner before Barkley could relieve the Hammers pressure but a ball in hit Coleman's arm: no penalty, said Kevin Friend.
Everton resumed their attacking intent, but a feed to Lukaku failed and Downing was soon spraying long crossfield passes to get the home side attacking. Valencia drove a distant shot straight at Tim Howard.
It was a nice open game and Everton were moving the ball around well, with forward intent, but the moves were breaking down in the West Ham box as the accuracy of passing required was not there or Lukaku's dreadful touch saw the ball bounce away from him.
The first yellow card went to Reid who blocked Lukaku's run rather cynically. Galloway got back well to cut out a good ball for Downing, who was a persistent danger. Noble came close with a dig on a lose ball went across Everton's goal.
Lennon drove centrally at the Hammers and played in a great ball for Lukaku who lashed his shot a foot over the bar from a glorious position. The next card went to Coleman for holding back Valencia. Downing got space to run through the middle and fire at Howard who batted it away.
Lukaku got another good feed in front of the Hammers goal but poor control saw the ball bounce up and hit his arm to end the move. Valencia then fouled Stones who was carrying the ball well out of defence for Everton but nothing came of Barkley's lofted free-kick.
Lennon got spoken to for bundling Kouyate over. A good passing move ended with Barkley offside. Barry was next in the book for a foul on Reid as the first half came to an end with neither side really coming close.
Lennon got spoken to for his collision with Kouyate but the free-kick was defended away. A good move got the ball in to Osman, then McCarthy, neither player wanting to take the shot when a chance to shoot seemed on. Another good passing move ended with Barkley offside. A terrible foul by Barry saw him pick up the third card after his poor pass to Reid.
Lukaku was gifted the ball in a good position but a bizarre touch saw it go away from him rather than remain in front of him and ready for a shot on goal, summing up Everton's perennial problem when it comes down to the business of scoring goals.
A banner amongst the Everton faithful at half-time proclaimed "Kenwright & Co, it's Time to Go; 20 years is plenty"
Everton kicked off the second half and had to defend West Ham's early effort before a good move got them within sight of goal where Barkley scooped his shot high over the goal.
Everton got a free-kick in a good position that Lukaku curled just inches wide, smacking off the stanchion. Coleman got in a great driving run but Lukaku could do nothing with the cross Everton attacked again and won a corner that seemed like it should have created more than a blocked shot from McCarthy.
Stones did well to release Barkley from defence but he soon had three defenders around him. Lukaku received another good forward ball to feet but had no joy with a patch of sticky grass that defeated him. This allowed West Ham to mount another attack and it was dangerman Downing who evaded Galloway and stroked it past Howard and just inside the far corner.
West Ham attacked with drive but Stones broke it down with an excellent interception to release Barkley but Osman stopped progress and the momentum seemed to be gone but the ball got out to Lukaku whose cross was slightly deflected to Osman who had a lot of work to do. But his first touch was brilliant and he followed it with an excellent chest-high volley past Adrian, a splendid finish.
Barkley, who had played his typical game for this season, was replaced by Mirallas for the last 20 minutes. Kouyate got every upset that Galloway had the balls to tackle him brilliantly, Everton playing with more desire now, but that saw McCarthy booked after a clumsy foul.
It was lively stuff from both sides as each went for the winner, Everton failing to take advantage as the ball pinged around the West Ham area. McGeady replaced Lennon on his final appearance for the Blues.
McGeady once more flattered to deceive, showing desire and skill to fire in a cross but it was direct at Adrian. Barry fouled Song and could have seen a second yellow for it.
Another forward move that should have produced more typified the Everton problem, each player preferring to pass rather than go for goal. From the corner, McGeady set up a nice cross to Lukaku that 9 centre-forwards out of 10 would have buried but the Big useless Belgian allowed the defender to get in and put him off.
West Ham had a flurry of corners but Everton broke at speed, McGeady playing in Lukaku but his shot defelected off the defender's leg and was parried by Adrian behind for a corner. Everton came so close to scoring from each one... but tellingly failed to score from any of them. Galloway got the fourth yellow card that should ensure Everton miss out on the Fair Play route to the early stages of the Europa League.
Added time and a final foray forward and this time it worked brilliantly. McGeady down the right, a much better cross in, and there was Lukaku, pushing past the youngster Burke to power home an excellent close-range header that won the game for Everton a game in which they had largely outplayed their hosts, with 58% of the possession that included relatively little backward/square passing. A somewhat better performance overall; a much better result!
Scorers: Downing (62'); Osman (68'); Lukaku (93')
West Ham United: Adrian, Reid [Y:26'], Cresswell, Kouyate, Downing, Noble, Jenkinson, Collins (14' Burke), Cole (70' De Carvalho), Song, Valencia.
Subs not Used: Jaaskelainen, Jarvis, O'Brien, Amalfitano, Lee.
Everton: Howard; Coleman [Y:32'], Jagielka, Stones, Galloway [Y:89']; Barry [Y:44'], McCarthy [Y:73']; Osman, Barkley (66' Mirallas), Lennon (78' McGeady); Lukaku.
Subs not Used: Robles, Garbutt, Besic, Naismith, Kone.
Referee: Kevin Friend
Attendance: 34,977
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3 Posted 16/05/2015 at 14:27:12
6 Posted 16/05/2015 at 14:35:17
7 Posted 16/05/2015 at 14:31:14
No pig headedness about it, as with the Distin "situation" although that is a bit of strange one to comment on as he was taken out for the good of the team after his poor performances.
8 Posted 16/05/2015 at 14:41:24
9 Posted 16/05/2015 at 14:50:23
10 Posted 16/05/2015 at 14:52:56
We are playing Galloway, which will be interesting. Garbutt only making the bench, suggests he is not in favour.
A 3-1 loss IÂm afraid.
11 Posted 16/05/2015 at 14:59:54
12 Posted 16/05/2015 at 14:59:43
LetÂs just get this waste of a season over with and thank our lucky stars thereÂs no Europa nonsense next time to ruin it. Fair play standings pending of course... Suppose we can always hope we lose and this no hoper Galloway gets sent off.
13 Posted 16/05/2015 at 14:50:41
IÂd prefer to see Bob go for many reasons. Why put him on the bench??? And not start him???
14 Posted 16/05/2015 at 15:16:26
15 Posted 16/05/2015 at 15:04:17
I give up trying to second guess Martinez. I give up with his stupid lop sided team selections. I give up on (now the season is over) why he still sticks with the tried and tested old players. I give up on the fact that he never gives youngsters a proper chance. I just give up. I really do.
Anyhow, heres hoping that inspite of Martinez, that the team can scrape a win today. Cause that is what it is all about. Not Martinez. But Everton winning football matches. COYBs.
16 Posted 16/05/2015 at 15:25:01
We look a poor team really we do!
17 Posted 16/05/2015 at 15:41:00
Martinez sticking to his favourites instead of listening to the fans as usual. HeÂs clueless, he has to go and take his coaching staff with him.
18 Posted 16/05/2015 at 15:48:02
19 Posted 16/05/2015 at 15:51:37
Last season, it was a brilliant second half, once Osman went off and Mirallas started to link-up with Lukaku. Last season, Ossie was injured, but I bet that this season Martinez leaves his changes either too late, or once we concede.
20 Posted 16/05/2015 at 15:53:13
His signings are shite and not one player has improved his game under him.
The tactics and preparation are totally woeful.
21 Posted 16/05/2015 at 15:50:20
You say that we all know what Garbutt can do. Well we also all know what Barry and Osman can do. We all know that a misfiring Lukaku can do. I donÂt see them being left out.
The writing looks to be on the wall. Another promising youngster will be departing Everton. And we sign up all our oldies.
And can we win today? Now that would be a phenomenal experience. Oh the joy of being an Evertonian. I think.
22 Posted 16/05/2015 at 16:22:55
When you consider weÂre basically going to have the same squad of players with (what sounds like) the bare minimum addition of a couple of uninspired signings, it doesnÂt exactly fill you with anticipation for next season does it?
Barring some mid-summer miracle or an absolutely shit hot start that sends confidence soaring, I canÂt see how things are going to unfurl any differently to how they have done since December.
23 Posted 16/05/2015 at 16:43:05
24 Posted 16/05/2015 at 16:44:17
He has been frozen out by the manager after coming into the team and doing well.
25 Posted 16/05/2015 at 16:51:13
26 Posted 16/05/2015 at 16:53:58
27 Posted 16/05/2015 at 16:54:00
28 Posted 16/05/2015 at 16:55:28
29 Posted 16/05/2015 at 16:55:43
30 Posted 16/05/2015 at 16:55:51
31 Posted 16/05/2015 at 16:54:04
Good to see McGeady in the mix for the second goal. I hope he can become a useful squad player for us next season and weigh in with a few more assists like todayÂs contribution.
32 Posted 16/05/2015 at 17:01:41
33 Posted 16/05/2015 at 16:56:50
I understand why people think that getting EL football again for the club would be a good thing, but I donÂt and am glad we got the 4 yellows. Nice win, too, and must be the first time for a long while that we came from behind to take the points...
35 Posted 16/05/2015 at 16:55:31
And ... 1st time weÂve won a PL game from a losing position since February 2014 (2-1 home to Villa). Saved from the shame of going through an entire season without doing so in the final minute of the penultimate game. Phenomenal...
36 Posted 16/05/2015 at 17:04:27
If only we could start off like that.
37 Posted 16/05/2015 at 17:06:07
38 Posted 16/05/2015 at 17:09:37
39 Posted 16/05/2015 at 17:10:44
40 Posted 16/05/2015 at 17:10:44
41 Posted 16/05/2015 at 17:05:36
How does a guy with no ball control whatsoever get to become a pro footballer?
42 Posted 16/05/2015 at 17:14:34
43 Posted 16/05/2015 at 17:12:30
44 Posted 16/05/2015 at 17:20:26
Same every time. Play to his strengths, like we did after we went a goal behind, and heÂs a fantastic striker.
45 Posted 16/05/2015 at 16:59:19
46 Posted 16/05/2015 at 17:41:12
47 Posted 16/05/2015 at 17:42:20
CanÂt help but feel Barkley prevents us flowing freely, starting to look like another James McFadden in my opinion, clearly has some football skills but just hogs the ball and basically frustrates both his teammates and fans alike.
48 Posted 16/05/2015 at 17:34:04
Each to his own I suppose, but for someone who canÂt head the ball, has terrible control, canÂt play a simple pass, canÂt trap a ball, has terrible positional awareness, crap attitude, thinks he is way better than he actually is, other than that Jamie, heÂs fucking brilliant!
49 Posted 16/05/2015 at 17:34:23
I think the main issue is going to be that with a limited transfer budget how much is going to realistically change.
On a positive we still have the basis of a good back five. I know Tim is unpopular with many but for me scarce transfer resources canÂt be wasted on a keeper. The other four pick themselves.
I would cash in now on Barkley, it would give us a cash injection that may provide an impetus if we could bring in a couple of quality players with the proceeds. IÂve tried to keep faith with him but he has been really poor most of the season and despite occasional touches of quality most of the time he has made us a poorer side. The 㿊m you would probably get now is less than a year ago and the danger is it may continue to reduce if he has another season like this one. Unfortunately I suspect Martinez has painted himself into a corner and wouldnÂt contemplate it.
50 Posted 16/05/2015 at 17:45:24
51 Posted 16/05/2015 at 17:13:00
Why should he be chosen when thereÂs a chance he might not be here next season? Why should Martinez start using Garbutt in his plans when he could easily leave? Martinez needs to plan for next season with players who are committed to Everton. Playing Garbutt at this stage is only going to put him in the shop window for everyone else to see his ability, giving other teams an opportunity to get him on the cheap. Not playing him may give us a better chance of keeping him as not everyone will have seen him play meaning there may not be as many teams coming in for him. It also give others fighting for that position an opportunity to stake their claim.
GarbuttÂs situation though, should have been sorted out along time ago, last summer, even. Martinez has to take the blame for that. A couple of weeks ago, after the Man Utd win I thought Martinez maybe deserved another chance but after last weeks result against Sunderland, I really donÂt know again?
Anyway, very good result today.
52 Posted 16/05/2015 at 17:42:29
Barkley had another stinker, apparently, and should have been replaced by Mirallas much earlier. Beginning to think, he is being indulged too much and has made little progress this season. Unlikely to attract any decent money so guess he will have yet another season to bloom.
A top-half finish looks a likelihood now so RM will be a fixture. But better that than a relegation spot which would have done for him.
53 Posted 16/05/2015 at 17:53:07
Frankly, if he did absolutely nothing but put the ball in the net every time he got some decent service, I wouldnÂt care. ItÂs the service that is key and I can only think of a couple of games (Leicester at home and last weekend against Sunderand) where he has really let us down in that regard.
54 Posted 16/05/2015 at 17:49:12
Stones absolute class at the back and Coleman looked good at times. Galloway grew into the game and with him a left footer, he will eventually line up along Stones. Not a bad day out at all.
55 Posted 16/05/2015 at 18:01:59
Absolutely spot on
56 Posted 16/05/2015 at 17:45:38
Osman is shit – err, no – he scored a great goal
Wait, Lukaku is a waste of space – no, 1 assist and 1 goal
At least McGeady is the worst Everton player ever – sorry lads, he played quite well actually, and got an assist.
Well, in any case, Martinez has to go – we should get Tim Sherwood. Now, there is a real manager who knows how to get his teams to win – bugger, his team got hammered 6-1 today.
I hate to make a dig at my fellow Evertonians, but the negativity of some of the posters all through the week (the Distin story, the Luke Garbutt issue) to vent their vitriol on the Everton manager had almost put me off this site. Thank god for todayÂs win. Sure, we have had a disappointing season, but shit happens, and we have to get behind the manager and the players that we have – not always dreaming of the next manager that we will get or the next dream players who will magically make us win the league.
Having got that off my chest, well done to young Galloway – a very impressive debut against a fast and physical side. Not a vintage performance by the team by any stretch of the imagination, but the team showed a desire to turn things around and that will do for me this season.
57 Posted 16/05/2015 at 18:00:58
59 Posted 16/05/2015 at 18:10:33
60 Posted 16/05/2015 at 18:00:46
What is mysterious is that he obviously has it in him to hold the ball up and lead the line as he showed in that patch of excellent form recently. I suspect that he is one of those who has grown to regard the manager as hopeless and is also suffering from excessive self-esteem, so he plays when it pleases him.
Martinez has, though, undeniably used a system for most of the season that does nothing to play to the strengths of our costliest signing and that is the biggest shame of all. If we do play to his strengths - get the ball to him accurately from a proper number 10 and from the flanks, with speed - then I still think he could be a major asset, if only until his tit of an agent wants him out.
HeÂll be with us next season so letÂs hope for vastly better service, 30 goals and a very big sale price in summer 2016.
61 Posted 16/05/2015 at 18:06:42
Countless times today, Lukaku received the ball to feet (or head) in good to excellent positions — I call that top class service — and on 95% of those occasions, the ball bounced off him in some utterly bizarre direction that defied comprehension. His body language is simply horrible. His positioning is mostly well off what it needs to be... His effort is almost completely absent when itÂs needed.
But... he made the cross (slightly deflected) that set up Osman for his superbly finished goal. And, at the very end of the game, Lukaku timed his run perfectly and applied much needed effort to get behind the defender and power home an excellent header that won the game.
Great stuff ... but it doesnÂt negate or excuse the preceding dross in any way. He had loads of really splendid service. He just canÂt hack it most of the time.
62 Posted 16/05/2015 at 18:20:29
Yes. heÂs been largely awful and I certainly donÂt excuse that but to say that the service to him doesnÂt matter or that his being played on his own in front of the most ponderous midfield that I can remember at our club doesnÂt matter, is unfair.
63 Posted 16/05/2015 at 18:19:05
I fully expect him to be playing for Liverpool next season.
64 Posted 16/05/2015 at 18:15:35
Lukaku is frustrating but at 21 is terribly young for a main striker and his goals record is really good. Gary Lineker was useless with his back to goal at the same age but put the ball ahead of him and he scored goals. Rom needs the service to be right and a fast tempo,
thatÂs all.
Oh and a word for Ossie – gets terrible stick from a minority on this site but more than anyone he makes this team play. Yes, he isnÂt perfect and has his faults but we will miss him when he retires.
As for Garbutt he didnÂt look too good last time out and I am not convinced he is top class. Shame to lose him but Galloway looks decent as a future centre back.
65 Posted 16/05/2015 at 18:27:51
66 Posted 16/05/2015 at 18:24:43
I would spend good money on Bolasie too as he is worth going for.
This lad frightens defences with his pace and strength and would really lift Goodison.
67 Posted 16/05/2015 at 18:23:55
IÂm sorry but for me heÂs a terrible footballer; the ladÂs a man mountain but gets bossed around regularly. Last week, Wes fucking Brown and that RS reject didnÂt give him a sniff.
I agree that his goals have been important but to actually see him play is painful most of the time. And btw – you and I arenÂt the only one who thinks heÂs bog average: see Jose Mourinho and Marc Wilmots.
68 Posted 16/05/2015 at 18:29:48
IÂm not saying the service couldnÂt be better, but that often needs something from the player himself as well, to be getting into positions where the ball is being played in... keeping himself onside (he did a lot better in that respect today), etc.
How many touches did he have today? To claim Âlack of service is simply wrong.
ps: What did the banner have in the bottom left corner? "--- is plenty?" I couldnÂt see it properly.
69 Posted 16/05/2015 at 18:44:39
Good game, good win. Rom was gash, but he does have an eye for a goal.
72 Posted 16/05/2015 at 18:38:23
As for Martinez, yes Its a nice feeling to win, especially having ended our duck of more than year since we won a league game having gone behind.
Does it change my view that he should be sacked? Nope. We have squandered the talent of our squad and gone backwards this season. We are further behind in our desire to compete with the top 4, which was the premise on which Martinez was hired. There have been far too many poor performances and poor results to overlook.
The comparison with Tim Sherwood is interesting. Not my choice to be the man, but he has delivered on what he was hired to do, which was make Villa safe. On top of that, they have got to a cup final and in Benteke have a forward who has been totally rejuvenated. Their prospects for next season are surely better for next season. The cold hard truth is that Martinez failed this season and we have a long mountain to climb if we are to become top 4 challengers again. Worse, the damage is self inflicted with his insistence to tinker with the team and revert to a style of play which has proven itself repeatedly to produce poor performances and results.
73 Posted 16/05/2015 at 18:54:34
74 Posted 16/05/2015 at 18:56:53
75 Posted 16/05/2015 at 18:59:14
9-1 at White Hart Lane, 8-0 at Stamford Bridge, 6-0 at home against Chelsea, a 4-0 home defeat against Blackpool, etc.
Just because weÂve won today, it doesnÂt automatically mean that youÂre right and IÂm wrong to want him out.
76 Posted 16/05/2015 at 18:54:55
It doesnÂt cover the cracks for what has been the most anaemic season for decades – little in the way of excitement, cut-and-thrust, edge-of-the-seat stuff.
To quote The Stranglers, something better change.
77 Posted 16/05/2015 at 19:03:16
I agree in that respect but I was talking specifically about missed chances in front of goal which is primarily what he is paid for.
And when I talk about service, IÂm talking about the ball in front of him in the box where he thrives. We all know by now what Lukaku is about – he isnÂt yet (and may never be) a hold-the-ball-up, back-to-goal striker.
He is often a lethal goalscorer when he can run behind opposition defences or when the ball is loose in front of goal. He has suffered so much this season because he has been isolated and asked to play the kind of game he isnÂt yet suited to.
His first touch has improved but remains iffy and his layoffs often go astray, but put in the right areas and he scores goals. We just donÂt do that nearly enough.
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Michael: What did the banner have in the bottom left corner? "--- is plenty?"
It was doing the rounds on Twitter yesterday and said: "Kenwright and Co. ItÂs time to go. 20 yrs is plenty"
78 Posted 16/05/2015 at 18:58:29
Was a bit surprised with Galloway starting ahead of Garbutt but he more than justified his selection, a very good debut, MOTM for me! He made one or two mistakes, especially allowing Downing to manoeuvre into space to get the shot off for his goal but apart from that he was solid, hardly got beat and what I liked about him was, was that he played like he never wanted to get beat, he got tight and made the opposition work hard to get by him, very encouraging debut!
Jags & Stones were solid aswell, Coleman was improved, Barry played alright for a change, made his usual silly tackles and got his customary booking! Apart from Osman, the rest in the final 3 were terrible for me. Lukaku cant hold water, and his link up play wasnÂt great, had no movement either. Barkley just amazes me, was brilliant last season but is a shadow of tha player this season and today. Every time he got the ball in the final third he always played back, never once turned and went forward. And Lennon kept leaving Coleman expose and wasnÂt much of a threat today, aswell as the last few games and I donÂt think heÂll be back next season! And ive slagged McGeady off in the past saying heÂs not upto it in prem but he came on and played well!
All in all it was a good 3 points and another young gem probably unearthed in Galloway!
79 Posted 16/05/2015 at 19:06:28
Good decision to try Galloway. Garbutt has not convinced me he is good enough for the top level and who knows what his wage demands are?
80 Posted 16/05/2015 at 19:10:22
81 Posted 16/05/2015 at 19:17:13
83 Posted 16/05/2015 at 19:22:09
84 Posted 16/05/2015 at 19:24:38
85 Posted 16/05/2015 at 19:22:39
86 Posted 16/05/2015 at 19:25:19
91 Posted 16/05/2015 at 19:24:22
I donÂt share the negativity about Lukaku, heÂs a natural goalscorer and heÂs going to get a lot better. Many good sides now donÂt have a classic back-to-goal ball holding striker and itÂs up to Martinez to play a system where we play to LukakuÂs massive strengths. This means progressing the ball fast and wide and getting the ball to him when his momentum is forward. Playing the ball up through the middle and expecting him to hold the ball up is a 20-year-old tactic and we never use it to success against teams that defend well. They know LukakuÂs danger and how to neutralise it. I still see a diamond in him even though he has a lot to learn, I believe heÂll be a massive asset.
Does anybody know whatÂs happened with Browning? He seemed so promising...
92 Posted 16/05/2015 at 19:32:06
93 Posted 16/05/2015 at 19:38:36
MK not sure if this link works but there was also a banner stating what I suggested in my earlier post:
http://t.co/xEyvCZTzbB
94 Posted 16/05/2015 at 19:35:34
95 Posted 16/05/2015 at 19:37:29
As for today I have to agree with those that saw a substandard performance from our costly striker, he is similar to Barkley; they seem to believe they only have to be on the pitch to earn their corn. If both are still at Goodison at the start of next season they will have to put in more effort than they did today. But overall we just about deserved our victory for the effort and desire to score in the last 20 minutes or so, although the team should be doing far more, even though it was an end of season game.
96 Posted 16/05/2015 at 19:26:53
I then come back on after a win sin miedo, only to be confronted by more bloody negativity. There are a lot of people in life that just love a good moan - in sure we all know a few - and this place seems to attract, or create, quite a few.
Or maybe itÂs Everton FC - IÂm only 28, so I may also become a miserable git in a few years!
Rant over (maybe IÂm nearly there - moaning about negativity!)
97 Posted 16/05/2015 at 19:45:59
98 Posted 16/05/2015 at 19:41:46
99 Posted 16/05/2015 at 19:52:07
100 Posted 16/05/2015 at 19:59:10
101 Posted 16/05/2015 at 19:53:57
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a person who is actively interested in and wishes success for a particular sports team.
ToffeeWeb certianly fits the interested part....
103 Posted 16/05/2015 at 19:35:23
Look what youÂve done to me Martinez!!!!!
By the way, I was very happy with the result but canÂt comment on the way the team played.
104 Posted 16/05/2015 at 20:10:44
105 Posted 16/05/2015 at 20:12:34
106 Posted 16/05/2015 at 20:17:16
107 Posted 16/05/2015 at 20:08:01
Many of the comments surrounding Garbutt today are critical of the manager despite ignorance of the exact background details, and there is no evidence that the lad is anything but a deputy anyway.
Ross, your comments about Martinez as Wigan manager need some perspective. Have you noticed where theyÂve gone since he left them? Or perhaps he is to blame for their mismanagement this season?
109 Posted 16/05/2015 at 20:29:30
Hopefully we can maintain this phenomenal achievement against Spurs next week.
Score, win? WhoÂs interested?
110 Posted 16/05/2015 at 20:29:01
111 Posted 16/05/2015 at 20:33:42
112 Posted 16/05/2015 at 20:35:53
113 Posted 16/05/2015 at 20:19:28
Lukaku, more often than not, makes poor runs. They are either asking too much of the player in possession or mistimed. This is something that he can work on and will hopefully improve on.
Yes, his service has been average, but he makes it look worse than it is. Too often you see him pointing where he wants it, and itÂs an impossible ball with defenders easily nullifying the threat. He needs to watch Suarez.
115 Posted 16/05/2015 at 20:36:49
This one was hand-written, white on blue, and said "Kenwright & Co, Time to Go"
Maybe someone can find a link to the image?
116 Posted 16/05/2015 at 20:44:16
All one in two goal scorers have plenty of missed chances in their cv. It goes with the territory.
117 Posted 16/05/2015 at 19:51:27
Ajay your claim that Evertonians will be gnashing their teeth after a win is utter bollocks. If this thread stayed alive for a year I bet nobody would come on here and say that. You may have received support from the apologists who seem to want to make this sort of claim every time we win, but itÂs nonsense.
Tens of thousands of matchgoers make absolutely no secret of the fact that they think our manager has been garbage all season, but they still love the team. You are simply deluding yourself if you think you enjoy a victory more than they do
Their is a difference between supporting the club and supporting the manager. If youÂre upset by the criticism he receives on TW, I suggest you stay away from the Old Lady
118 Posted 16/05/2015 at 20:45:59
119 Posted 16/05/2015 at 20:47:46
Banner
120 Posted 16/05/2015 at 20:46:24
121 Posted 16/05/2015 at 20:46:18
As for the game at the Boleyn - we played very well for most of the game, with flashes of good work from every player, and occasional lapses from a few - Barkley being the worst culprit but he seems to be growing a pair and making a few tackles, as well as not being afraid to make mistakes which is good for him.
Macca was a driving force again, and Ossie is still the best football brain at the club by a country mile. LukakuÂs touch was missing as usual but he scored the winner so he can play like crap every game as long as he scores a goal - thatÂs what heÂs there for.
Even McGeady played well in the short time he was on the pitch.
IÂll be sad to see Lennon leave as he gives us so much going forward and backwards - his workrate is really impressive and even though he may not stop every attack, he slows them down massively which gives other players the chance to get back into defensive positions - I canÂt stress how important heÂs been for us in the latter half of the season.
Bobby made the right calls today, against a decent West Ham side who clearly wanted to win the game, and how anyone could be unhappy with coming from a goal down in an away game to win in the 93rd minute is beyond me! The blues in attendance were delirious at the end, and rightly so :-)
122 Posted 16/05/2015 at 20:47:51
123 Posted 16/05/2015 at 20:49:45
You cant really be suggesting that of all those thousands of fans who criticise Martinez and want him gone gone, its only those who post on TW who will be "Nashing their teeth" ?
Its a silly suggestion and it stinks of trying to take away the pleasure of a victory from those who didnt happy clap through what has been a desperate season
124 Posted 16/05/2015 at 20:36:15
125 Posted 16/05/2015 at 20:58:15
126 Posted 16/05/2015 at 20:58:44
Everyone has a valid opinion, thatÂs what makes football so great, but itÂs not healthy to moan even when we win. Sadly Evertonians are pissed off which is fair enough, but IÂve chosen not to have the joy taken out of the game.
128 Posted 16/05/2015 at 21:00:36
COYB!!
130 Posted 16/05/2015 at 20:47:37
The point I tried to make above is that he is a natural scorer who, over the course of the season and despite his ineptitude (which is born of sulkiness), has been badly served by the managerÂs formations and by the most arthritic midfield I can remember.
Play him in a coherent and confident side, ideally with a striking partner/ serious Number 10, and you will have a massive asset.
I don"t think heÂs going to be with us very long because he is a young narcissist and he has a eurotrash agent, but letÂs not just dismiss him as a floppy Belgian.
I remember Drogba being compared to a dog chasing a balloon. How we laughed and how we all agreed.
131 Posted 16/05/2015 at 21:05:31
Today there were good things to see and not so good things to see. As the Echo pointed out about RomeluÂs performance, he showed four sides to his game today – if he can work a little harder and show more desire there is undoubtedly a 20 Premier League goals a season player in there, which is why many of us get so frustrated with him; itÂs more about his attitude rather than his abilities.
133 Posted 16/05/2015 at 21:02:35
Would that post read "Just because we lost a throwaway game"
Would. It. Fuck. Give yer head a wobble.
135 Posted 16/05/2015 at 21:02:20
Also pleased with many positive comments for a change instead of the weekly bash Martinez threads.
And Michael, if Rom canÂt hack it most of the time, and still score 20 goals, your expectations for a lad of his age are unrealistic... a big useless Belgian? Really?
Ajay, the kind of post that makes me keep the faith with this site.
136 Posted 16/05/2015 at 21:06:21
After 4 seasons at the bottom of the table, he finally got them relegated and then showed his true character by informing the Chairman that he did not feel he was the man to lead them back into the Premier League. After that, he continued to turn the knife by taking his backroom staff and some of his supposed better players to Everton. This led to a practically complete overhaul of WiganÂs team. No, he may not be to blame for this seasonÂs mismanagement but he sure left them in a precarious position.
Never seen or listened to todayÂs game at West Ham so I cannot comment on the performance apart from itÂs great to get 3 points.
137 Posted 16/05/2015 at 21:33:25
IÂm going to lie down now and recalibrate.
138 Posted 16/05/2015 at 21:37:20
Shame for an Editor to be so remiss..
139 Posted 16/05/2015 at 21:36:29
Stop being so negative!
140 Posted 16/05/2015 at 21:34:35
If you think that criticism of Martinez is the only negativity on TW, then you truly are the deluded one.
142 Posted 16/05/2015 at 21:47:06
"RomeluÂs performance, he showed four sides to his game today"
Romelu, from now on, should be known as Big Ben. The c*ock that is.
145 Posted 16/05/2015 at 21:51:34
Great result today. I have faith in Lukaku, good start from Galloway, MotD tonight.
146 Posted 16/05/2015 at 22:07:26
147 Posted 16/05/2015 at 21:52:30
No Des,
Not sure about Michael but for me IÂm a thinking that if we spend 㿈M on a centre-forward, I want the sum total of the Father, Son and Holy bloody Ghost up front for us.
That means the equivalent of Gascoigne, Lineker and Joe Royle in one player. Maybe you are happy with 10th spot in the league but IÂm not.
In fact, IÂm as angry as hell and my girlfriend is as well. (YouÂll be hearing from her too in the near distant future.)
I want a centre-forward that says, "Bollox, give me the ball and IÂll do the rest!" What I donÂt want is the fact that the team all has to conform to one particular player so that he looks good and scores goals.
I want a team that has midfield generals and wizards who can seasonally score 10/12 goals each which then tells the striker to sort himself out, contribute to the team i.e. learn how to control a ball being passed to him and then be able to dribble past at least three defenders and be composed enough to put the ball away into the onion bag with copious amounts of aplomb.
IÂm really into Lukaku but in future he needs to learn his trade or else....
148 Posted 16/05/2015 at 22:19:08
ItÂs not Roberto FC, itÂs Everton FC. I love the team and support them, but I donÂt back the manager.
No one hates him or has a vendetta against him, but an increasing number of fans are turning against Martinez after the dross weÂve been subjected to this season, the poor performances, the tactical errors, the fact that weÂre going to finish below Stoke and Swansea.
We donÂt all have to be happy clapping, robotic fanatics of Roberto like many on here want his critics to. He has failed this season on every level.
A win today doesnÂt gloss over that fact. So please donÂt say ÂA lot of Evertonians will be gnashing their teeth because we won or ÂWe have to get behind the manager like weÂre all brainless happy clappers.
No we donÂt. If he fails to deliver in terms of results, tactics, signings or performances, we as fans have every right to criticise him and call for his sacking, which should have occurred months ago.
149 Posted 16/05/2015 at 22:24:23
150 Posted 16/05/2015 at 22:46:36
Stevie me turned over on his finale, not a bad Saturday after all, see what next season brings without distraction of Europa league.
151 Posted 16/05/2015 at 22:52:30
There are people on here that would rather Martinez and Everton fail than do well because they donÂt like the bloke and want him gone and they turn nearly every thread into a Martinez out thread.
152 Posted 16/05/2015 at 23:02:15
153 Posted 16/05/2015 at 23:03:01
154 Posted 16/05/2015 at 22:49:22
But being an incurable optimist is not the answer to our problems on and off the field. If it was ,Roberto would win the EPL and the CL every season.
155 Posted 16/05/2015 at 23:10:17
156 Posted 16/05/2015 at 22:40:57
A bit of clear thinking is needed, I think. Bashing everybody, from the chairman down, while probably therapeutic for the basher, becomes a bit tiresome after a while. The bad stuff was not all RMÂs fault, and the good stuff didnÂt happen in spite of him. MartinezÂs failings have all been discussed at length, but his biggest fault this season, I think, is that he has been "found out" tactically, and that either he couldnÂt or wouldnÂt adjust.
Hopefully itÂs not the latter, and next season is a bit more positive. For everyoneÂs peace of mind.
157 Posted 16/05/2015 at 23:15:24
158 Posted 16/05/2015 at 23:10:31
As for the clown who manages, what a success heÂs been. HeÂs presided over one of the worst seasons of football in our recent history but still refuses to admit heÂs done anything wrong. But hey, Ajay, everything is rosy in the Everton garden because we beat West Ham and sneaked into the top half of the table...
Get real will you. Do you think anyone on here wants Everton to struggle so we can come on here and slag the manager and the players off? No – didnÂt think so. One swallow...
159 Posted 16/05/2015 at 23:46:39
160 Posted 16/05/2015 at 23:56:37
162 Posted 17/05/2015 at 00:00:35
163 Posted 16/05/2015 at 23:58:57
I support Everton, I donÂt pillory them when we win, lose or draw. You canÂt win every game, and I see no point in reading TW when I know all IÂll see is hatred. Yes criticise the manager - I have. But do itÂs when itÂs warranted.
164 Posted 17/05/2015 at 00:03:48
165 Posted 17/05/2015 at 00:04:56
166 Posted 16/05/2015 at 23:55:33
Our failing is that it seems that it takes falling behind for us to rouse ourselves. This is what is frustrating a lot of us, because it has happened so often. We also seem to go into our shell after we go ahead, and invite the opponents to get the initiative back.
Martinez is showing that he has learnt from his mistakes and let us hope that he can continue to do so. There were great teams that could play at a slow tempo, and then suddenly switch to a high tempo, and bang, a goal, but it takes good players to be able to do it. A really good creative midfielder is what we need more than anything.
167 Posted 17/05/2015 at 00:13:27
Measured and well put together thread. Agree with almost all you say.
168 Posted 17/05/2015 at 00:26:28
ThereÂs a "vitriolic lynch mob"? Really, Harold? You of all people stoop to that level? Could it just be people with different opinions than your own, who donÂt see things quite the way you do?
Jamie says "There are people on here that would rather Martinez and Everton fail than do well because they donÂt like the bloke and want him gone and they turn nearly every thread into a Martinez out thread." (Emphasis added)
I think youÂre deliberately mischaracterizing whatÂs going on here, Jamie. Of course there are fans who dislike the manager and what he has done this season. And there are those who still want to give him the benefit of the doubt. As almost polar opposites, theyÂre not going to coexist very easily, and will use a variety of tricks to do down the others opinions. That means putting their own interpretation on the same information to support their entrenched positions. ItÂs called confirmation bias and weÂre all prone to it.
Even so, the number actually seeking Everton to fail is very, very small: perhaps one or two individuals. For most of us, that position is unacceptable... but if they see it as a path towards a greater good for the benefit of the club they love, are we really right to castigate them? Again, just because itÂs different from what we think, believe or accept?
I can well understand others, like James Marshall, wanting to come on here and only read certain types of posts; then feeling upset and depressed when he finds less of those that he wants to read and more that he doesnÂt want to read. But take a step back and look at it: itÂs the same thing going on. To call it ÂhatredÂ, again, because it doesnÂt fit with your personal view, is a bit much, donÂt you think?
People look at the same thing (in this case, todayÂs game) and react in completely different ways. I canÂt explain exactly why it is... but itÂs a product of our make-up as individuals and IÂm pretty sure itÂs not going to change anytime soon.
169 Posted 17/05/2015 at 00:30:56
As Ken Buckley rightfully pointed out in his report, imagine Barkley with OssieÂs brain. I want to add heart but I think Barkley may have the heart – heÂs just very confused.
170 Posted 17/05/2015 at 02:31:50
I do like to hear the views of fellow Blues, and obviously like a good rant every now and again. I was definitely more optimistic about the Blues before I started coming on here.
Maybe sub-forums for post-game analysis, constructive criticism and ideas for the next game.... and another sub-forum for those who just want a good moan, and to bash, berate and vilify the players/managers? Just an idea – obviously people can dip in and out of each, depending on what mood theyÂre in.
171 Posted 17/05/2015 at 02:48:34
172 Posted 17/05/2015 at 03:21:09
I think this is what youÂre after...
http://thenicestplaceontheinter.net/
173 Posted 17/05/2015 at 05:04:40
Should all TW posters accept the present status of club like you do and say nothing?
174 Posted 17/05/2015 at 06:39:27
When the team wins it is despite RMÂs tactics and selection, if we lose it opens the gate to vitriol and personal abuse... some of which is borderline unhinged. As someone who did NOT support the appointment of RM, is that what we have become as a club and supporters? Because I always thought we were better than that, the sort of reactionary stupidity we assign to Villa or Newcastle fans.
I have always taken the view that you should not write something about someone you wouldnÂt look them in the eye and say. Well I sincerely doubt that many on here who abuse RM on here would do that if they met him. Plus I wonder how proud they would be if their family read some of the things they have been posting?
So lynch mob does seem an appropriate term for how the debate has unfolded here on TW this season. NO-ONE on here thinks that this season has been anything other than a major disaster and a huge disappointment. How we process that says a lot about our individual and collective character as Evertonians.
175 Posted 17/05/2015 at 07:19:16
LetÂs hope for lots of positive transfer activity and a positive new season!!
176 Posted 17/05/2015 at 08:59:25
177 Posted 17/05/2015 at 09:08:58
He has just become the first Everton player since Yakubu to score 20 goals in a season. We should look on the positive side of that, not highlight how many he misses.
178 Posted 17/05/2015 at 08:43:00
His comments last week about Ross, and also about not needing a new striker, were unnecessary, and bordered on the absurd. Maybe he needs advice from an elder statesman at the club. As long as he makes these outrageous statements, he will attract negative posts.
180 Posted 17/05/2015 at 10:59:22
I donÂt want anyone to stop posting. The difference of opinion is what makes this the site I visit maybe 50 times a day. I just wish certain people would stop turning a thread about "the colour of the new kit" (made up) into a Martinez out thread because he doesnÂt understand Everton or he lacks class because itÂs the wrong shade of blue.
181 Posted 17/05/2015 at 11:37:23
Thanks for that. Can you confirm that thereÂs not a bunch of glum gobshites spouting the same old shite after every game, regardless of whatÂs actually gone on?
Thanks in advance.
182 Posted 17/05/2015 at 12:15:50
Lucky, arenÂt we?
183 Posted 17/05/2015 at 12:21:17
What are you going on about mate?
185 Posted 17/05/2015 at 14:09:09
Let me expose the huge gaping hole in AjayÂs whine to you.
Lets start with the people who are patting him on the back and saying they are sick of the negativity.
One of them a favourite poster of mine (Alright Col?) will consistently and persistently criticise players in an attempt to exonerate the manager from all criticism.
One of them was murdered on here because of his persistent "vitriol" against a young player, enough to make him quit the site for a while.
Another who persistently bleats about Ânegativity actually called Distin a Gobshite on a current thread, blaming him entirely for the rift with the manager.
You see the people who criticise Lukaku are not necessarily the same people who criticise Osman, or Martinez, the People who criticise the Manager are not necessarily the people who criticise McGeady, and the people who criticise the negative are definitely not as positive as they claim to be.
I donÂt mind the hypocrisy, itÂs the stupidity that annoys me.
If you are constantly on your guard against criticism of the manager or a particular player, you will only ever notice criticism of him and the site will appear negative... those who refuse to acknowledge their own negativity to attack others, you are indeed deluded.
MK nails it squarely on the head with his " confirmation bias" theory. Never heard the term before, but having googled it...
186 Posted 17/05/2015 at 14:54:20
IÂm not bothered about criticism of any player or member of staff, and IÂm certainly not offended by swear words, but there should be a constructive element to it. Identifying an issue and offering an opinion on a feasible solution, replacement, alternative, etc.
Or maybe the problem is my own and the solution is to stay the fuck away from TW comments sections! Sounds like the best way to go!
187 Posted 17/05/2015 at 15:38:22
188 Posted 17/05/2015 at 15:08:07
I like to think IÂm more pragmatic in terms of manager and players: we have the ones we have. I see no point in endlessly campaigning for them to stay or go, or for us to bring in specific replacements. The world doesnÂt work like that – I definitely blame Football Manager for the prevalence of that tendency.
For me, itÂs match by match, with the players that are selected, based on what they do. Pure and simple. My matchday summaries are intended to be a record of the action, not from the view of a neutral observer, but (at one time, a lot more) passionate Evertonian. So yes, itÂs criticism they get if they cock up. Why not call it as we see it? I would hope we all do exactly that.
This request from Christopher Wallace that we limit it to "constructive criticism" seems to miss the point of an online forum, in contrast to the real world out there. We are not personal coaches to the players; we are not the managerÂs mentor... weÂre fans with a strong emotional bond to the club. If we had personal face-to-face responsible relationships with them as individuals, then yes, that would be the framework for constructive criticism. Online comment? I donÂt think so.
Some of us are more judgemental than others, we focus on different things... IÂm back on the old topic of different opinions – not just about the players and the manager, but how we express them. There are boundaries, obviously... but on TW we try to make those boundaries as wide as we can to accommodate a broad swath of what might in technical terms be described as Âreasonable criticismÂ.
I can see that this approach will inevitably cause friction and angst for each of us as individuals with a view of things that is inevitably narrower; the natural reaction is to want the breadth of discussion to be limited to our own personal boundaries. Unfortunately, if youÂre sharing views with others who may not be exactly Âlike-mindedÂ, thatÂs simply not going to happen.
For me, I suspect that harping on about Âpessimism and Ânegativity on here is actually a generalizing mechanism for rejecting segments of what is (for the voicers at least) valid and genuine concern in one form or another. IÂm concerned that it might be a way to devalue rather than address the underlying concerns of the fans expressing this Âunacceptable criticism.
ItÂs been a dreadful season in many respects, but some of course think itÂs not as bad, or prefer to look forward rather than backward. Again, it comes down to different individual responses. Some we agree with; some we donÂt. TÂwas ever thus. LetÂs not get too precious about it. ItÂs an online forum!!!
189 Posted 17/05/2015 at 16:07:46
You have to try and accommodate their negativity mate. Their heads will explode with anger like that guy in the film Scanners if they donÂt have their daily rant about their favourite subject. IÂve been guilty of the occasional rant myself in the case of Howard and Distin but I do try to leave this to threads that concern them.
So I think that youÂre like me in that you donÂt want to read someoneÂs (daily) opinion about the manager (or any other personal agenda) when its posted to an innocuous thread like the new Everton strip for next season.
190 Posted 17/05/2015 at 16:27:43
191 Posted 17/05/2015 at 16:19:27
IÂm turning over a new leaf, MK. Martinez isnÂt going anywhere. So I will be backing him throughout the summer as he tries to rebuild with the pittance he will be afforded by this board.
If he gets off to a flier, I will be a very happy chappie; if heÂs still stinking the place out, I suspect it wonÂt be long before IÂm screaming the house down again.
192 Posted 17/05/2015 at 17:02:48
194 Posted 17/05/2015 at 18:56:43
195 Posted 17/05/2015 at 18:10:59
Nobody on TW would say they were satisfied with how the seasons panned out. Everyone has their own ideas about the manager and I believe everyone except maybe one or two exceptions want Everton to do do well, even if it undermined their anti-Martinez rhetoric by us having a good pre-season and getting off the blocks quickly next season.
I think the issue for some is more about repetition and the context in which certain issues are used - Is a thread about an away win, the best way to bring up a rant about the manager..when a couple of people use nearly every other thread as a platform throughout the week to do it??
I donÂt believe anyone on TW is offended by people who want Martinez Out, I for one, am not. Although it does irk when you try to say anything to the contrary and you are then shouted down as a Martinez apologist.
When it might just be you want to be more measured and pragmatic and look at it as - Martinez has had one amazing season and one of underachievement. So itÂs reasonable to think he should be given the start of the third to find out conclusively whether he is a maverick genius or fraud who just got lucky last season. I would hate to think what could have been if he was sacked and then went on to be a success at his next club.
Even if someone takes the aforementioned viewpoint I donÂt think theyÂre happy with the state of things and the way the gloss has come off MartinezÂs positivity and the way he sounds like a lunatic sometimes with the irritating choice phrases - Actually IÂm surprised no one at the clubs PR departments pulled him to one side and asked him to try and use a different adjective from Âphenomenal and not to mention moments, in every single interview.
Anyway, as I say I donÂt think the issues about being offended about rants, its just the repetition and context that can leave some feeling a bit depressed and weary sometimes.
196 Posted 17/05/2015 at 18:10:59
Nobody on TW would say they were satisfied with how the seasons panned out. Everyone has their own ideas about the manager and I believe everyone except maybe one or two exceptions want Everton to do do well, even if it undermined their anti-Martinez rhetoric by us having a good pre-season and getting off the blocks quickly next season.
I think the issue for some is more about repetition and the context in which certain issues are used - Is a thread about an away win, the best way to bring up a rant about the manager..when a couple of people use nearly every other thread as a platform throughout the week to do it??
I donÂt believe anyone on TW is offended by people who want Martinez Out, I for one, am not. Although it does irk when you try to say anything to the contrary and you are then shouted down as a Martinez apologist.
When it might just be you want to be more measured and pragmatic and look at it as - Martinez has had one amazing season and one of underachievement. So itÂs reasonable to think he should be given the start of the third to find out conclusively whether he is a maverick genius or fraud who just got lucky last season. I would hate to think what could have been if he was sacked and then went on to be a success at his next club.
Even if someone takes the aforementioned viewpoint I donÂt think theyÂre happy with the state of things and the way the gloss has come off MartinezÂs positivity and the way he sounds like a lunatic sometimes with the irritating choice phrases - Actually IÂm surprised no one at the clubs PR departments pulled him to one side and asked him to try and use a different adjective from Âphenomenal and not to mention moments, in every single interview.
Anyway, as I say I donÂt think the issues about being offended about rants, its just the repetition and context that can leave some feeling a bit depressed and weary sometimes.
Editorial Team
197 Posted 17/05/2015 at 19:11:30
198 Posted 17/05/2015 at 20:07:52
Is that the same pensioners snorting coke in British bingo halls?
Naughty old people eh! ;-)
199 Posted 17/05/2015 at 20:17:20
People are complaining about others who feel TW is too pessimistic/depressing for them, and someone above even cites me as being someone who doesnÂt respect other peopleÂs pessimistic opinions, yet I stated that I simply donÂt bother looking at TW – I fail to see how that equates to not being accepting of others viewpoints. If I was contesting the pessimistic view then fine, but IÂm not, I just donÂt read it anymore.
Case in point – Michael in the OP calls Lukaku ÂuselessÂ, yet heÂs just scored 20 goals for us this season. You see what I mean? That just reads like pointless pessimism, levelled at a young player with a great scoring record. Lukaku has a terrible touch, and can appear lazy, but heÂs a striker – strikers score goals and IÂll take his 20 goals this season!
200 Posted 17/05/2015 at 21:03:43
201 Posted 17/05/2015 at 21:20:56
Prior to that, when I actually made that sadly accurate assessment, heÂd missed numerous chances in this game and showed off some of his horrific ball-control Âskills that produced exactly nothing in terms of end product. This on the back of a dreadful but all too customary display against Sunderland. I think you know the rest.
And this must be some subtle irony: "I simply donÂt bother looking at TW – I fail to see how that equates to not being accepting of others viewpoints." Err... could it be that the reason you donÂt bother looking at TW is because you are not accepting of others viewpoints? DidnÂt you say as much already?
202 Posted 17/05/2015 at 21:22:21
I actually find it somewhat arrogant that people actually come on here and strongly suggest what we should actually write/post, thatÂs just ridiculous. Everyone is entitled to their opinion as long as itÂs not personal attacks and I honestly donÂt see any of that on this thread.
203 Posted 17/05/2015 at 21:28:16
204 Posted 17/05/2015 at 21:35:34
I think I judge him against what heÂs capable of – not what other strikers in the Premier League are doing. (Although watch that Gomis strike for Swansea on MotD2 tonight... class!)
205 Posted 17/05/2015 at 21:41:38
206 Posted 17/05/2015 at 21:45:48
207 Posted 17/05/2015 at 21:51:33
208 Posted 17/05/2015 at 23:45:32
Michael, on the Lukaku issue - perception is everything, and if you prefer to judge a striker on his all-round game then youÂre absolutely right, he can often be shocking and I agree entirely. If you prefer to judge a striker on the goals he scores, then LukakuÂs record holds up with some of the best strikers in the game at his age. Personally I like to go with the latter - although I do shake my head at times during games with his erratic play. Strikers need to be selfish and arrogant to succeed, and although Lukaku is nowhere near the best at linking up play, he certainly knows where the goal is, and for me, thatÂs what counts.
209 Posted 18/05/2015 at 10:20:42
It will be interesting to see who Roberto brings in to strengthen the team but "a schemer" to use the old parlance, is a top priority.
Good win by the lads at the week end and IÂm glad to see the young fullback have such a composed first game for us.
210 Posted 18/05/2015 at 15:23:48
I know heÂs not everyone's cup of tea but the bloke is Everton through and through; as he keeps reminding us all, if the right offer from the right type of person comes along, he will sell his stake. Do we really want to be owned by a rich investor that knows nothing about our history? We could end up like the RS – just another club desperately chasing success.
211 Posted 18/05/2015 at 16:42:12
Ossie was clearly delighted and the rest of the team just walked off... Looked really weird to me!?
212 Posted 18/05/2015 at 16:44:01
My point precisely. ItÂs not something you can make up to suit an argument.
213 Posted 18/05/2015 at 16:48:30
214 Posted 18/05/2015 at 16:50:54
The guy has been a millstone around the neck of this club for 20 years. He is in it as long as he can feed off the Premier League gravy train. The club is his train set and heÂs not letting anybody else have a turn.
215 Posted 18/05/2015 at 16:54:11
216 Posted 20/05/2015 at 15:29:07
217 Posted 20/05/2015 at 15:48:54
I am often asked: 'How does Everton do it'Â
How do we consistently perform so well in these days
of cheque book fuelled football? More often than
not, that question is asked by rival fans after another
stunning performance against a club with vastly
greater wealth than ourselves..........On a final note, my desire to find a person, or
Institution, with the finance to move us forward has
not diminished. Despite the challenges presented
by a global economic downturn, we remain positive
and determined. We will find major investment.
My commitment to serve this football club to the
very best of my ability remains a constant in my life
and I am aware of the trust you put in me to do that.
My motivation is simple. I am an Evertonian. That's
enough for me.
I donÂt see how his desire to find a person, or institution with the finances to move us forward can be translated into I will sell the club. The next decade will be very much like the last decade as long as we donÂt get relegated and that BillÂs health holds up. If anybody listened to The Blue Room last night on the radio they will realise that Joe Beardwood doesnÂt think that the club are doing such a bad job and that we could be spending too much of our income on wages - stand by for reductions in the wage bill in future seasonÂs?. There was also a National Jouranlist whose name escapes me - Jonathon somebody, who hadnÂt realised that it was 20 years since we won a trophy and more or less said that Everton FC were an irrelevance in this global football world - Barcelona as a news story in England are more important than most PL teams and they probably get more coverage than Everton in the national media.
218 Posted 21/05/2015 at 00:34:54
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1 Posted 16/05/2015 at 14:14:51
Stones
Galloway
Jagielka
Coleman
Makes me think that Coleman will play left back and Stones right back. Garbutt is on the bench, so if thereÂs an injury in Minute 1 youÂd assume heÂs fit to come on.