A Letter from Tony Kay of Sheffield Wednesday, Everton and England

Tony Kay, a member of Everton's glorious 1962-63 Championship-winning side, responds to a recent article in the Liverpool Echo in which allegations made by Albert Dunlop about substance abuse in that team were republished.

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Editorial note: For Evertonians, the Championship-winning side of 1962-63 is held up as a cherished symbol of a glorious era in Everton's history under Harry Catterick the consolidation of the club's reputation as the School of Science during a period in which the Toffees lifted three trophies, a haul which probably belied just how good a side it actually was.

It was alarming, therefore, to see re-published in the Liverpool Echo last week historial accusations made by goalkeeper Albert Dunlop that the title triumph in 1963 owed much to chemical assistance in the form of the drug Driamyl and the amphetamine Benzedrine. Though the article alludes to Dunlop being "an unreliable witness and driven by payment for his story dangled in front of him" by the Sunday People newspaper, there was enough inferred in the title of the piece and what followed to prompt Tony Kay, an important member of that Catterick team, to pen the following response.

Although the author of the Echo's article, David Prentice, was happy to allow Tony the right to reply, the newspaper ultimately declined to publish it over sensitivity to Dunlop's surviving family. So ToffeeWeb is providing him the opportunity here to respond on behalf of his teammates, both alive and sadly passed, with his side of the story.

Since my arrival on Merseyside in the long winter of 1962 until today, Ive always received the most amazing support from Evertonians; sometimes it takes my breath away. Because of this, I feel the most loyal and dedicated fans Ive ever met deserve some clarification with regard to the article in the Liverpool Echo by David Prentice on 11th November 2015 .

On behalf of my teammates, the League Champions of 1962-63, by far the greatest team in the land at that time, Im writing this riposte because there are only a few of us left and theyre not local so are unable to defend themselves.

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Tony with celebratory cigar after Everton sealed the 1962-63 Championship

I was part of that incredible team and there wasnt a man more proud than me when we did our lap of honour at Goodison Park having stuffed Fulham 4-1 in the last game of the season. I even smoked a celebratory cigar, such was the level of my jubilation. I have no idea where it came from; I can only imagine a fan handed it to me and I never did get a chance to thank him for it.

To put this ludicrous story into perspective, the accusation that we were all drug-addled cheats was made by our then goalkeeper, Albert Dunlop, who was rapidly in decline and nearing the end of his very-average professional career.

At that time, Dunlop was dating a nurse so may have had some second-hand knowledge about drugs. He was an unpopular person who never socialised with any of his teammates and had his own problems. To give you a measure of the man, he was the only person my lovely, kind, gentle, gifted, much-loved and sorely-missed teammate, Gordon West, ever openly disliked. I never heard Gordon say a bad word about anybody, from any walk of life professionally or socially but in his words, Albert Dunlop was a nasty piece of work; a bully and a thug. He made Westies introduction to Everton FC from Blackpool a torrid time when he was really just a kid, straight out of school. He was embittered, cruel and deeply unpopular. He certainly picked his battles though he never said a word to me; I imagine that was because my reputation as a robust player and personality, preceded me.

Every single man in the Championship-winning team of 62-63 was a truly dedicated, talented professional who worked hard every single day. The matches were just the icing on the cake; behind those fantastic performances were endless hours of hard training: tactics, skipping, sprinting, cross country runs up and down the sand dunes and in the sea at Ainsdale come hell or high water, set pieces, discipline, blood, sweat and tears. We all missed our kids growing up Christmas, parties, family holidays, births deaths and marriages because we were hungry for success and nothing would stand in our way.

The 1962-63 title-winning Everton team. (Tony Kay far right)

Harry Catterick was a winner; he carefully built his teams on a sturdy foundation of talent, youth, belief and dedication. Nobody was allowed to slack and our coach, Tommy Egglestone, worked us until we were spent. The 90 minutes on a Saturday afternoon was a welcome relief from the hard graft wed put in prior to that. Everybody respected Catterick and, to be honest, we were all a bit scared of him. Backed by the might of Sir John Moores personal fortune, he orchestrated the birth of the Mersey Millionaires; he commanded respect and got it.

The only whisper of any kind of tablet I ever heard mentioned was the availability of a sleeping pill the night before an away game when we were staying in a hotel and a glucose pill in the dressing room before kick-off if the player asked for one. Ive never taken an illegal drug in my life and I cant imagine any of my teammates doing it either. It certainly didnt happen in front of me and I never heard a whisper of it during my short-yet-glorious time at Everton Football Club. I find it deeply offensive to my colleagues that these accusations have been raked up again when theyre not here to defend themselves.

Champions! The 1962-63 team with manager Harry Catterick at Goodison Park

As an aside, the story referred to in the article was published in the Sunday People and penned by another man I dislike intensely, one Mike Gabbert. He is the one who was to become my nemesis by ending my glorious football career and, for all intents and purposes, my life. He exposed a betting syndicate myself and my then teammates, Peter Swan and David Layne, at Sheffield Wednesday had inadvertently become a part of by placing a single bet against our own team a couple of years earlier... but thats another story.

Following my global life ban for the next 40 years, I continued to play for any football team whod have me, usually for charity. From time to time, I came up against a team in which Dunlop was the opposing goalkeeper. He always came over to me to shake my hand. I always refused.

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Patrick Murphy
1 Posted 18/11/2015 at 21:39:23
Shame on the Echo for denying Mr Kay the right of reply; The basis of the story may have been historically accurate as it was reported back in the day, but the delivery of it in the Echo would have put the "Sun" and "Star" to shame. I never saw the 1963 team, but to believe that they somehow cheated their way to the title is to insult the players, the club and the fans who watched them.
Andy Meighan
2 Posted 18/11/2015 at 21:41:46
Albert sounded a barrel of laughs! What a bitter twisted man. I don’t believe a word of the original piece – sounds like the article was done for a couple of shilling. As for the mercurial Tony Kay, I only wish I was born a few years earlier and was able to see him perform. My dad still says he was one of the best he’s ever seen. I love it the way the old players still talk lovingly about the club and it shows what a club it is.

As for the Cat. Well I’ve said it many times: he never got the recognition his achievements deserved, probably because he kept the press at arm's length, not like old hog-the-limelight Mr talk shite across the park.

And on another note, it was great to see Westy get a mention. I was fortunate to meet him a couple of times and what a character – up there with another great keeper Big Nev. Just shows the measure of the Echo, though, not printing the letter. Typical.
Bob Parrington
3 Posted 18/11/2015 at 22:19:30
Tony Kay, Tony Kay, Tony Kay --- what a player!! I'm now 67 but I still have vivid picture in my mind of a tackle he made at Goodison Park soon after he arrived at the club. It was a perfect slide coming back towards our goal close to the Bullens Road side of the pitch, took the ball (not the man) and turned then was on his feet in a flash setting up an attacking move. Sheer magic!

Can any other oldies recall this?

Cheers to Tony!

John Woodley
4 Posted 18/11/2015 at 22:24:58
That the Echo promoted this slur, "is a real surprize". Makes me feel 100 years old, but I saw us beat Fulham to win the Championship. The only drugs involved were talent, hard work, and a manager with an iron will.

I have had the good fortune to meet a number of players from that side, and the two things they all seem to agree on were that Catterick was a hard task master, and that Dunlop was a twat. As for the Echo, you don’t think they have an agenda, do you?
Tony Hill
5 Posted 18/11/2015 at 22:26:12
Kay was a superb player, a massive loss to the game of football that his career was abbreviated. He was indeed part of one of our finest sides. Well done to the editors of this site that they have credited a serious Evertonian and given him a voice.
Francis Munoz
6 Posted 18/11/2015 at 22:50:53
As a 15-year-old in the 1962-63 season, I remember collecting autographs outside Goodison throughout that long icy winter. Most of the players gave their autographs willingly, even old Welsh wizard Vernon. The exception, as you might have guessed, was Albert Dunlop.

Gives some credence to Tony Kay’s assertion that the man was ill-liked as he would pass you by without a cursory glance. Much later with my young son I met some of the Everton players at a Goodison invitational day. Nicest guy I ever met? Derek Mountfield... legend.

Ray Roche
7 Posted 18/11/2015 at 22:57:06
Tony Kay was a magnificent player, hard as nails yet classy with it. He would have been regular for the England side for years to come.
Dave Horne
8 Posted 18/11/2015 at 23:25:23
I too was lucky enough to be there for the Fulham game in ’63. What great memories, Roy Vernon had a great game.

It is especially nice to hear that Tony Kay is still fit and well. I think it would be nice if the club invited him back for one of our home games this season, and let the crowd show their appreciation to him on the pitch at half-time.

I know it was a different era then, but it was a really draconian punishment. I don’t think he was allowed to play any form of football ever again. A great player!

Karl Masters
9 Posted 18/11/2015 at 23:25:45
Disgraceful that the Echo denied him the right of reply. What's Dave Prentice got to say? He reads this site.
Derek Thomas
10 Posted 18/11/2015 at 23:32:44
Tony; seldom, if ever, have I seen an ex-player (out in the open) writing on a fans site. Full credit to you for putting the other view.

As people pass on, sometimes history judges them too softly or harshly, but sometimes there are behind the scenes stories and recollections and usually they can’t all be wrong as to the general demeanour of one person or another.

I’ve been watching since before ’The Taxi’ and you were one of the finest of many fine players to grace an Everton shirt.

I remember that tackle Bob @3 mentioned. I also seem to remember that you played in the Roger Hunt testimonial, possible under the old standby of A N Other. I think You, Jerry Byrne and Keegan were the only ones taking it at 100%. If you read this and could confirm, I would be much obliged, if only to prove to myself that I haven’t lost it altogether yet.

If it’s any consolation, I think you were a victim of the times rather than the dastardly villain they chose to paint you as and thanks again for putting the record straight.

Any more ’Scoops’ for TW? (hint, hint)

Lyndon Lloyd
Editorial Team
11 Posted 18/11/2015 at 23:34:18
Karl (9), here's a tweet from David in line with the Editorial Note above. The Echo were prepared to publish Tony's letter if the passage about Dunlop was removed which I can respect.

Tony felt, however - and I'm inclined to agree - that without it, a lot of the context of his rebuttal of Dunlop's accusation is lost.

Jay Harris
12 Posted 18/11/2015 at 23:50:42
What a great player Tony Kay was.

I was 11 years old at the time but still remember him vividly.

Although he was only with us for a short time due to the ludicrous ban, he was one of my favourite players.

I remember one of his party pieces which I copied when playing myself was to fake a pass back to the goalie, go over the ball and then with the outside of his foot turn and go forwards.

I would also like to take the Echo to task for not publishing the reply. I understand the point about Dunlop’s family but what about the families of the players who were falsely accused? Don’t they deserve to have the record put straight?

Shame on you and the Echo, Dave.

Clive Rogers
13 Posted 18/11/2015 at 23:53:48
Bob #3,

I do remember that tackle you refer to. It may even have been his first game at Goodison when Catterick used Kay as a sweeper. If it was his first at GP, I think we lost 1-0 but Kay was superb.

He was soon moved to a more orthodox midfield role and flourished. Apart from being a great footballer, he was a superb athlete and if not for his ban may even have lifted the World Cup in place of Bobby Moore. He was that good.

David Midgley
14 Posted 18/11/2015 at 00:03:10
He describes himself as a robust player.

Everton were playing Blackburn Rovers we were then in the old First Division at Goodison Park. He tackled one of their players, who went down, and came away with the ball.

Blackburn had a centre half, Matt Woods. He was as big as the Liver Buildings and meaner than Roy Keane. Woods strode towards him with the intent of kicking him out of the ground.

There was a collective intake of breath from 40,000 at Goodison!!! We could all see what was going to happen. It was like something out of The Rover or The Wizard.
In a flash, still in stride he took aim and Tony hit a ferocious shot straight into the stomach of Woods who collapsed on the ground like a burst bag of potatoes!! There was a gasp from the crowd. Without breaking stride he just strode on with the ball.

Inter Milan played at Goodison I think it might have been 1963. They had a great Spanish inside forward Luis Suarez. He was no softy. Tony tackled him. However, in the course of the tackle as he was coming away with the ball, he unfortunately stood on Suarez’s fingers. He just looked up, never said a word but probably thought "Who was that masked man?"

Bob (#3). It was just like an ice skater.

The Rover and The Wizard? Ask your grandad.

Herbi McMullan
15 Posted 18/11/2015 at 00:04:46
I am 76 now and I saw that great team play! All of them were superb footballers. Harry Catterick built a great team and it was a joy to watch them.

Tony Kay was very talented lad and it is a pity that he was stitched up by the press and FA over one lapse that cost him his career and denied us the pleasure of seeing him play for club and country. Nowadays it would have merited a short ban.

I seem to remember the quote at the time, when we won the league and the Benzedrine story broke. I think it was in the Sunday press. Better "purple hearts than broken hearts".

Tony Kay is a great guy and worth following on twitter. There are a lot of memorable pics on there. Well done, Tony Kay!

Steve Green
16 Posted 18/11/2015 at 00:12:17
To me it reads like David Prentice was behind the rehash and relaunch of this tale – for purposes we know not. As as Karl @ #9, he has not followed with a formal response here.

A self-professed long-term blue, Prentice has an interesting Everton history:

A self-proclaimed match-going Blue in the early '70s, Dixie’s relative by marriage, EFC correspondent for the Echo, and so on....

Well, when he lived in our Roby Street during said '70s, did any of the lads – all match-going teens – ever know he was Blue? Er... no! We all walked up to Goodison on a Saturday... Alan Morris, Joey Bartley, Kevin Costello, Kev Bartley, Mick Clarke, Me.... Preno? No, never. He stayed behind with his brother Stephen, playing with my two brothers. My brothers didn’t even know he was a supposed Everton fan.

Why even raise this now Preno? A true blue would put EFC before their journalistic career, surely.... or should we take all past and future comments from you as just that, the words of an ambitious journalist – not the words of a real True Blue.

Steve Jenkins
17 Posted 19/11/2015 at 00:23:26
Well, the Echo failed to take any of the Everton players (reputations) that are accused of cheating (and thus having their hard work and achievements shot down) and their remaining families into consideration when they published this, so why do they take Dunlop’s family into consideration?

If you are going to publish one then you are going to have to publish another surely, and moreover if you are going use one person’s family as an excuse not to then surely that first article should not have been posted.

Shocking double standards where there clearly appears to be some other agenda to this.

Is there any evidence of this foul play other than Dunlop’s word?

John Hands
18 Posted 18/11/2015 at 00:32:49
I haven’t see the article by Dunlop but reading the posts here sounds like he’s a bitter old man. Kudos to TW for giving one of the greatest midfielders to wear our shirt the forum to reply.

I’m the same age as Bob (#3) and remember that tackle well as I had a bird’s eye view from the Bullens Road stand. Tony Kay and Alex Parker were the ultimate artists of the perfect slide tackle.

As tough as Tony was on the pitch, I seem to remember he never made a meal when someone gave it back to him. Mostly he just took it and got on with his game – usually to the detriment of whoever got stuck into him!

Although Tony was a defensive midfielder in today’s parlance, he also had a great eye for a pass that would open up the opposition.

I don’t if there is any truth in this, but a guy in our section who was shareholder told us that Ramsey called Catterick after Tony was banned. He asked Catterick who he would recommend to take his place in the England team – Catterick told him that his choice would be Nobby Stiles!

I wish Tony all the best and thank him for the great memories he left me at Goodison!

Paul Ward
19 Posted 19/11/2015 at 01:21:04
The season prior to the Championship winning campaign, Everton were hammered 4-0 at Goodison by Sheffield Wednesday. The star of that win was Tony Kay. His skill, ability, hardness and arrogance was hard to accept by us in Gwladys Street.

The next season, when I read in "The Echo" we had signed Tony, I was very disappointed because he would inevitably take the place of Brian Harris who was such a good player.

It was not long after his arrival that any doubters like myself, could see what a complete world class player this man was. It is one of football’s greatest tragedies to see such a talented player be lost to the game for such a silly error of judgement.

Terry White
20 Posted 19/11/2015 at 01:53:42
When Tony Kay waa with Sheffield Wednesday he was the most hated player on the pitch. Some of the language thrown at him was definitely not suitable for my young ears. Once he signed for us he was no longer "dirty", he was "hard", or "robust" if you prefer.

I totally concur with the comments on here about those times. Kay was a magnificent midfielder and worthy of selection ahead of anyone else in the country at that time. And it was good to read Alex Parker getting credit for his sliding tackles. The best right back I ever saw – Alex Parker. The best left back – Ray Wilson.

The only thing wrong with the photo above of the players in the old Goodison Road stand is that Albert Dunlop is a part of them. He does not look very happy. Is that Gordon West in front of him in the suit? Perhaps with a bottle of beer in his hand?

John Keating
21 Posted 19/11/2015 at 02:47:23
I was there for the Fulham game, what a team and looking at the official photo in the article brings back some great memories of so many fantastic players. Just for half of them today. Tony Kay was brilliant and what a career he would have had but for the witch hunt.
Reg Gates
22 Posted 19/11/2015 at 04:25:46
Maybe my second post ever. I read everything but for Mr Tony Kay, yes, I have to write something.

I still think of him, what a player. I remember the Spurs game at Goodison, it was them and us going for the league. Dave McKay done Alex just after the kick off, Tony and Dennis Stevens set about McKay that day and gave him what he was used to dishing out. Stevens put the head on McKay at the park end corner flag, but Tony, him and McKay went in for a 50/50, neither pulled out, both went down. McKay jumped up quick as with his fist raised, Tony jumped up just as quick but he pulled his shorts up to his chest. McKay started laughing so did we, him and Tony shook hands and got on with the game.

Yes, Tony, you were for me one of the greatest Everton players ever and that champagne you poured on the crowd, I was right below. Thank you Tony, never forgotten.
Jim Lloyd
23 Posted 19/11/2015 at 07:35:11
Thank you, Tony. What a considered piece of writing and what a defence of probably the best team of players I have ever seen in Blue shirts.

I had considered buying the Echo again after their so called rethink of their coverage. Never again will I buy that rag! To me, that was a cheap jibe and a cheap piece of writing by a supposed Evertonian and it blackened the reputation of men who were great Champions of England and not to give Tony the right of reply was bloody typical of that rag.

What was the headline "How Everton won the League on performance enhancing drugs. I don’t care what the article said, the headline was splashed across NewsNow Everton and did needless damage to players who did not deserve it.

I can remember being in the Park End the day we whupped Fulham 4-1. What a great finish to a great season. I was 14 and I Idolised (as we all did) those lads in Blue. Wonderful memories they gave us, wonderful football and, as Tony has written, backed by blood sweat and tears.

I hope Tony, that the club give you what you fully deserve, a public acknowledgement that you were indeed, a legend and to see you come on that pitch would be brilliant.

Paul Ward
24 Posted 19/11/2015 at 08:36:50
After winning the League in 1963, Everton were rewarded with a 1st round European Cup draw against the best team and eventual winners, Inter Milan. The first leg was at Goodison Park and Inter had many world stars in their line up. One of them was the great Luis Suarez the most expensive footballer in the world.

At one point, Suarez was looking dangerous as he attacked the blue penalty area. Tony Kay dispossessed him, twisted around and dribbled past him. As Tony passed the ball, Suarez slipped to the ground and Tony just calmly walked over one of his hands. Nothing phased him, reputations meant little to him because he was so good himself.

Paul Thompson
25 Posted 19/11/2015 at 09:05:16
I can understand why the Echo didn’t run the reply, but not why they ran the story in the first place. Why dig up a slur based on woefully thin evidence against a fine team, particularly with that ludicrous headline?

Aged 12, I had a season ticket with my Dad for the 1962-63 season and maybe because it was my first trophy, it has the fondest memories. Tony wasn't with us for very long, but he was a colossus while he was.

Laurie Hartley
26 Posted 19/11/2015 at 09:35:05
I loved that football team so that Purple Heart article knocked me around quite a lot. I am so grateful to Tony Kay for setting the record straight.

To read this about the dedication of that team nearly brought a tear to my eyes:

Every single man in the Championship-winning team of 62-63 was a truly dedicated, talented professional who worked hard every single day. The matches were just the icing on the cake; behind those fantastic performances were endless hours of hard training: tactics, skipping, sprinting, cross country runs up and down the sand dunes and in the sea at Ainsdale come hell or high water, set pieces, discipline, blood, sweat and tears. We all missed our kids growing up – Christmas, parties, family holidays, births deaths and marriages – because we were hungry for success and nothing would stand in our way.

We all have our favourites but my three favourite players are Ball, Vernon & Kay.

I was broken-hearted when Ball went to Arsenal but I was desolate when Tony Kay was banned. For me, he is the best player I have ever seen in the Royal Blue.

This comment says it all for me about Tony Kay the man:-

"I find it deeply offensive to my colleagues that these accusations have been raked up again when they’re not here to defend themselves."

They may have taken the love of his life off him for a foolish mistake, but they haven’t taken the fight out of him. Long may it be so.

Geoff Evans
27 Posted 19/11/2015 at 09:44:35
Tony Kay’s story was translated into a radio programme, it was truly heartbreaking to hear. A great player, a true Evertonian who deserves to be treated by the club accordingly.
Ray Roche
28 Posted 19/11/2015 at 09:55:27
Although betting in football is quite rightly condemned and illegal it must be a sore point for Kay, who was MotM in the game in which the betting took place, and the severity of the sentence was somewhat extreme when you take the case (below) into consideration.

The big gamble that so nearly paid off

Grobbelaar's trial for match-rigging

Gerard McGregor
29 Posted 19/11/2015 at 10:10:26
When I was a red-headed 11-year-old, Tony Kay had quickly become my football idol and I remember well arriving at Goodison Park for the Saturday match, the day before the story broke of the betting scandal.

I can still visualize The People newspaper's hoarding outside the ground that day – it broadcast the coming revelations involving an Everton player – I still remember the sick feeling I got then.

The subsequent events still sadden me and I remain impressed with how Tony Kay has dealt with such a devastating blow to his life.

Dave Abrahams
30 Posted 19/11/2015 at 10:12:00
Great player, Tony Kay, who gave one hundred per cent every game he played in the best Everton team I have ever seen.

Reputations meant nothing to Tony; he played every game the same, hard but fair and in the game against Stoke City when the legendary Stanley Matthews played at the age of 50, Tony put him on his arse with a great tackle and strode away with the ball. This was the day after John F Kennedy was assassinated.

One of my all-time favourite Everton players who was denied a great football career and also denied becoming a legend of Everton fans from seeing him; I’m sure we would have won many more trophies with Tony in the side.

Best of health to you now, Tony, and good luck in the future.

Graham Mockford
31 Posted 19/11/2015 at 10:28:08
Firstly, I never saw Tony Kay play but, by all accounts, he was an exceptional player and one who performed fantastically for us.

John Keating, you describe his fall from grace to be a witch hunt but by his own admission he placed a £50 bet on his own team to lose. Just think about that for a minute and ask how you would react today if an Everton player bet against his own team in a game he was playing.

He recounts after his conviction going to speak to The Krays about taped evidence at their expense. The Krays!

He was later convicted of selling a fake diamond ring caught after being on the run in Spain.

As I said, he may have been a great player but let’s not put on rose-tinted spectacles and pretend he was whiter than white.

Brian Harrison
32 Posted 19/11/2015 at 10:34:57
Tony Kay, for me the best Everton midfield player and, let's face it, we have had some brilliant ones. But Kay was perfection; he could carry the ball also a great passer of the ball. But for his ban, nobody would have heard of Nobby Stiles. Kay was fearless in the tackle; I don’t ever remember him not winning a 50-50 challenge.

Yes he was stupid in placing a bet for Sheffield Wednesday to lose their match. Yet even the Sunday People who exposed the story, their man reporting the game gave Kay 9 out of 10. Kay thought it was easy money and he had no intention of throwing the game, he was stupid but what a price the man had to pay. Banned for life.

Jim Lloyd
33 Posted 19/11/2015 at 10:41:56
Aye, well remembered Dave. Sir Stanley was like a national treasure but no reputation was going to stop Tony from doing his job. What a great player indeed. I second your good wishes to Tony.

I remember some dipstick shouting during the minute's silence for JFK...The crowd around him would have lynched him if he hadn't been dragged out by the bobbies.

Brent Stephens
34 Posted 19/11/2015 at 11:23:19
So The Echo can implicitly impugn the integrity of ex-Everton players, some still alive, by dragging up the unverified allegations of a man now dead.

And is keen "not to upset the surviving family" of the man who made the unsubstantiated allegations - The Echo having dragged all this up in the first place!

Get real, Echo — don’t be The Sun. Shit journalism.

Trevor Lynes
35 Posted 19/11/2015 at 11:48:03
I was at that title-winning match against Fulham and Vernon (I think) scored three. Over all the years I have watched Everton I would say that the game and tactics have altered a lot. Centre halves played alone in central defence and full backs stayed back in their own half. Wing halves would cover both defensive and attacking duties whilst in the main the wingers and centre forward stayed up and did very little defensively.

Collins was the best inside forward I have ever seen in an Everton shirt and that includes Ball, but Bally could play on the wide right and his crosses were ’Beckham@ like in accuracy. Vernon was the real striker of the side and he had pace and venom in his game. He was usually described as waspish. Ian Rush was Liverpool's equivalent IMO. Young was very much like Tostao the great Brazilian as he had great control and was the perfect foil for Vernon. Tony Kay IMO was better than both Kendall and Harvey potentially but his Everton career was snuffed out due to his ban.

I met Kay at the ’Class of ’63 meet up in Liverpool and he was as gregarious, friendly and open as any player I have met.

I actually never rated Dunlop as a first division goal keeper and West was far better all around.

Jay Wood
36 Posted 19/11/2015 at 11:50:24
My thoughts exactly Brent.

Gross double standards by Prentice and the Echo.

Ray Roche
37 Posted 19/11/2015 at 12:36:15
Graham (#31),

If you read the links I posted earlier, you’ll see that double standards are evident in football, journalism and even the Law.

Good post, Brent.

Herbi McMullan
38 Posted 19/11/2015 at 12:38:22
I was at the Charity Shield match played at Goodison Park against Man Utd in 1963 which we won 4-0.

I was standing in the Paddock and vividly remember an incident when Everton kept the ball from Man Utd for about 20 passes at the Gwladys Street end. Eventually they got possession and Denis Law sat down on the ball and beckoned our lads to come and get it off him... does anyone else remember that incident??

There was 54,000 fans there that day... Gabriel, Stevens, Derek Temple and the great Roy Vernon were the goal scorers... great days!!!

Dave Roberts
39 Posted 19/11/2015 at 13:06:21
Having read the letter from Tony I was going to post my own sentiments only to find Brent had already expressed them. Nevertheless I will do so anyway as I intended.

Question to the Echo.....

Why cannot Tony Kay seek to defend the players, many of whom are now dead and cannot defend themselves, because it may upset the family of Albert Dunlop? The Echo was quite happy to publish Dunlop's allegations and was therefore likely to offend the families of those players whom he (Dunlop) accuses of being cheats? Are the families of Labone and Scottie (for instance) not as worthy of concern as Dunlop's?

Advice from me.....

Don't read the fucking rag.

Dave Roberts
40 Posted 19/11/2015 at 13:21:46
Graham Mockford.

I don’t think anybody is suggesting Tony Kay was whiter than white... who is? As for him visiting the Krays, what the fuck has that got to do with it? In any case if he did he was in ’good company’ wasn’t he? Lord Boothby, Barbara Windsor, Frank Sinatra and many more... look it up.

The lad made a mistake, albeit a serious one, but it didn’t deserve a lifetime ban. There are players playing now who have committed far worse offences than that, served time and then started playing again on their release... including one who killed people as a result of drunk driving.

Tony was a human being and human beings are always likely to make mistakes and all deserve a chance to redeem themselves. He wasn’t given that chance.

Jay Harris
41 Posted 19/11/2015 at 14:39:39
Graham you have a penchant for being controversial but in this thread you are as bad as the Echo.

I suppose you have never done anything wrong in your life.

There aren't that many saints in the world but get back to the real issue man.

The Echo is a disgrace for their stance over this. I hope you are reading this Prenno and feel ashamed as a supposed Blue.

Dave Abrahams
42 Posted 19/11/2015 at 15:09:07
Jim (33) yes the man in the crowd shouted out "Long live Kruschev" – the Russian leader at the time. He was dragged out of the Park End by the police and later fined £20 at the Magistrates Court. He was most probably bevvied, or a Liverpudlian!!!.
Jim Lloyd
43 Posted 19/11/2015 at 17:06:02
Graham Mockford (31) What a self righteous post! We didn’t love Tony Kay because he was an angel! We don’t hold it against a man for his life outside football, when he was banned for life from the job he loved.

We don’t need you to tell us what he did after his football career went for a burton. We are saying that he was a great football player and a great Everton player.

Yep, he had a bet. In that match though, he was Man of the Match, hardly a way to behave if you were aiming to throw the match.

I for one would love to see him be given the accolade of an Everton legend, because that is what he is.

He mightn’t get to heaven because he was a bit of a naughty boy, but he was one hell of a player; and he’s written a great riposte to that pathetic article in the Echo. What a rag!

That’s right, Dave... probably was pissed Kopite!

Graham Mockford
44 Posted 19/11/2015 at 17:48:47
Jay (#41), Jim (#43), Dave (#40),

I have no doubt he was a great player, my old man never tires of telling me.

I also agree that the Echo regurgitating old unproven accusations serves little purpose and I’m glad TW has given him the platform to defend himself and his teammates on that matter.

But to me, in relation to proven and self-admitted gambling against your own side it goes beyond the pale, and if that is self-righteous in your eyes so be it. There is actually a difference between off-the-field misdemeanours and abusing the integrity of the sport.

Let’s not forget he wagered £50 in the early 60s on his own team to lose. That at the time was equivalent to two and a half years wages. Are you seriously expecting anyone to believe he and his accomplices did not want the opposition to win?

Sure people make mistakes, I’ve made a career out of it but cheating for significant financial game is way out of order, I’m of the same opinion of drugs cheats in all sports. You take the risks; you only have yourself to blame.

Ray Roche
45 Posted 19/11/2015 at 18:00:30
Graham, I assume you meant two and a half weeks wages. Did you read the links I posted earlier? I'm interested to hear your opinion on that case.
Ray Atherton
46 Posted 19/11/2015 at 18:02:42
During the bleak winter of 62-63 the Blues were drawn against Swindon Town in the 4th round of the FA Cup. Travelled down on a Sunniways coach, listening to hourly bulletins on the radio. It was a long journey to Wiltshire looking out at the Christmas card scene which was all over the country.

Four of us didn't have tickets for the game. We went into the players entrance, told a Swindon official we were Everton reserves, all he said to us was "Where are your badges?" We told the official no blazers just top coats.

He and his colleague ushered us into the ground and got us a wooden bench. We couldn't believe it, those lovely innocent West Country gentlemen.

The pitch was like a farmer's field after all the snow. It was Tony Kay's debut, he went to tackle Mike Sumerbee (a future Man City winger) slipped on the mud. Me and a mate got off our bench and picked Tony up, he said to us "I'll get that bastard," and he went on to have a fine game.

Getting to sit on a bench on the side of the pitch, sounds far fetched but I suppose it was more naivety 52 years ago.

I spoke to Tony Kay at the Central Hall in Renshaw Street 2 years ago to celebrate 50 years since our championship victory. We chatted about that Swindon win. He said the supporters deserved a medal travelling there especially it being a night match.

Graham Mockford
47 Posted 19/11/2015 at 18:12:16
Ray #45

Grobbelaar was found not guilty, I think surprisingly to anyone reading the news coverage but Kay admitted the gambling and was found guillty.

And of course you are right I meant two and a half weeks wages!!

Tony Heron
48 Posted 19/11/2015 at 18:13:12
I too was at the Fulham game all those years ago and I seem to remember Tony manmarking a Fulham player (Johnny Haines?) so tightly at one stage he had his arm intertwined with the opposition player. What a character. Saw him play on our local park after he was banned as a ringer of course, like nobody knew it was him! Yeah right!

As for Dunlop, a few years later I was working in a place in town and he used to come in to collect scrap paper for the business he then had. I remember being told, on no account was he to be left alone in the department and I was to keep my eye on him at all times.
Ray Roche
49 Posted 19/11/2015 at 18:24:41

I don’t know if you’ve seen the hidden camera video used in Grobbelaar’s trial or even read the case in any detail but "surprisingly" found not guilty is something of an understatement.

I think that the "twelve good men and true" who comprised the jury must have been the rest of his team mates, plus a sub or two. Absolutely staggering in the face of the evidence presented to them.

Ray Atherton
51 Posted 19/11/2015 at 18:36:32
The result was 5-1, sorry:

Vernon 2

Graham Mockford
52 Posted 19/11/2015 at 18:46:43

I'm not going to defend Grobbelaar, I'm sure he was a bent bastard and didn't get what he deserved.

Thomas Rigby
53 Posted 19/11/2015 at 19:01:47
I have supported Everton for nearly 60 years and my biggest disappointment is losing Tony Kay from that great team. To fans who never saw him play I would say "ask yourself how could a player be so revered by those who were lucky enough to see him when he only played for us for one and half seasons?"

Well he was so good that all these years later I can guarantee that older fans would think of him when naming the best players to play for the Blues in their lifetime. He was a very skilful and inspirational player, who was all-action, hard-tackling and able to release his colleagues with perceptive and deadly passing.

And above all else if you had to choose a team to play for your life he would be there with Ball and Collins... which is ironic when you think about it. I still regard myself as very lucky to see him play.

Geoff Harrison
54 Posted 19/11/2015 at 19:35:29
Unfortunately not quite old enough to see Tony play, but I did go to school with Dunlop's son, Carl. He didn't have a good word to say about the man.
Jim Lloyd
55 Posted 19/11/2015 at 19:44:05
You may have convinced yourself, Graham, but I don’t think you’ve convinced anyone else on here. I’d still have loved him to have stayed at Everton if he hadn’t been banned. Even knowing he’d had a bet on a result.

Yep, I think he was one of the all time greats that I’ve seen playing for Everton. Not as great as Alex though!

Lyndon Lloyd
56 Posted 19/11/2015 at 20:21:20
As a point of clarification on Graham’s assertions, I’m led to believe that Tony’s charge was "conspiracy to defraud", not match-fixing and he didn’t ever admit to anything or ever take the stand.
Jimmy Gabriel
57 Posted 19/11/2015 at 20:22:51
It’s been a long time since we won the first division in 1962-63 but I can still remember the great delight our players had waving the winning trophy to our Goodison Park supporters.

I can’t understand why this article has been brought up again after all these years, and I would just like to add that I was never aware of any drug activities, all we were interested in was playing as well as we could and winning for our wonderful fans!

Let’s hope that Everton can win it again in the near future because our fans deserve to be as happy as they were in 62-63.

Jim Lloyd
58 Posted 19/11/2015 at 20:32:47
Great to hear from you, Jimmy. Another Everton Great from a great side. Gabby Labby and Kay... what a half-back line!
Colin Gee
59 Posted 19/11/2015 at 20:34:53
I am way too young to have seen Tony Kay play, but my old man who is a red tells me that Tony Kay was hard as nails but a great player and was a big loss to that Everton side of the early 1960s.

For my old man to say that, he must have been some player!

Colin Glassar
60 Posted 19/11/2015 at 20:39:24
Same here Colin G. My dad was a massive red but he had a lot of respect for Everton and he always told me Everton were never the same after Tony Kay left, like we lost something essential to the soul of the team.

I know we went on to become one of the (if not, THE) top teams in the 60s but losing TK, apparently, was a major loss.

Dave Abrahams
61 Posted 19/11/2015 at 20:43:39
Nice to hear from you Jimmy, hope you are doing well, are you still in America?

You will will always be remembered by thousands of Everton fans. Thanks for all the good times; you, like Tony, gave one hundred percent every game, mostly in midfield but quite a few at centre-forward.

Good health to you always.

Tony Hill
62 Posted 19/11/2015 at 21:04:53
Yes, tremendous to hear from Jimmy Gabriel on here. This thread brings back to life an important time in our club's great history and we do well to remember the players who made it happen.
Trevor Peers
63 Posted 19/11/2015 at 21:35:31
Jimmy Gabriel is an angel as the blues go marching on on on! Remember that song, Jimmy?

What a superstar he was, pure magic.

Steve Sweeney
64 Posted 19/11/2015 at 21:43:31
Jimmy Gabriel, what a player! Does anyone remember him doing a hand kiss on the ball near the end of this he 66 final at the corner flag? I think he now lives in Seattle. I used to work with his sister.

As an aside when we were being confirmed the headmaster would not let any names of footballers be used. So no Alan, no Colin, no Gordon. My cousin chose Gabriel, the head thought it was after the Archangel, but in reality it was after the great Jimmy Gabriel.

God bless my cousin, Charles.
Peter Fearon
65 Posted 19/11/2015 at 21:56:40
When I was about 10, I went to a play centre in Walton where Albert Dunlop was coaching kids. Even at that point, I got a nasty vibe from the way he spoke to young lads that he was an embittered man and a nasty piece of work.

For his allegation to be true, upstanding individuals like Jimmy Gabriel, Roy Vernon, Alex Young and Brian Labone would have to have been involved and I very much doubt any of them would have countenanced it.

Danny Ward
67 Posted 19/11/2015 at 23:08:11
West; Parker, Meagan; Gabriel, Labone, Kay; Scott, Stevens, Young, Vernon, Temple... What a great team!

I got Tony’s autograph many times as a 14-year-old and then had the pleasure of playing with him for two seasons 25 years later (1988). He was still a good player then at 51.

Great player and great man – legend. Spoke to him recently and he still works out 3 times a week – now 78.

Jim Lloyd
68 Posted 19/11/2015 at 23:26:22
Ah, Jimmy! We were a lucky bunch of lads to see and support the greatest team in England, when there were so many fine teams. I remember Spurs and a wonderful player they had, John White. He was nearly good enough to play for us!!! Lovely player.

You fellers though, were something else, Alex Parker behind you, Chico Scott ahead, Alex and Royston scoring goals for fun (think they got about 50 goals between them) Tony Kay and Derek Temple on the left with Dennis Stevens buzzing about as well

Thank you for so many great memories. (Including your party piece at Wembley in 1966... excellent!) A great time to be a Blue!

Jay Harris
69 Posted 19/11/2015 at 23:52:05
I would like to ask how Sheila is doing and thanks for some wonderful memories – although I understand Harry Catterick wasn't your favourite person at the club.
David Hamilton
70 Posted 20/11/2015 at 03:22:42
I have a fond memory of watching Tony play, but I've never heard reference to it since, and so would appreciate confirmation from anyone who was there (could be a false memory!).

We were playing Blackburn at home, probably 1963-64. Bryan Douglas was running around kicking everyone in sight and the ref was doing nothing about it. Eventually, in the middle of the ground, and in full view of the ref, Tony ran up behind Douglas and punched him in the back of the head. Tony was sent off.

We lost the game 4-2, and Fred Pickering scored 2 of their 4. Signed by us shortly afterwards.

Seb Niemand
71 Posted 20/11/2015 at 08:14:46
Well, if Gordon West, who was the sweetest natured and most generous of men, couldn’t find a good word to say about a fellow, he’d have to be a real villain. I’m tending to find discredit in Mr Dunlop’s story.
Phil Bellis
72 Posted 20/11/2015 at 10:10:01
Jim Lloyd (#330),

Sad, dark, depressing November for a young Catholic Evertonian. I remember that idiot - "Long live Kruschev!" and the scuffle that immediately followed; let’s hope he fell down a few times while being ejected

What might have been... Kay behind a midfield "trio" of Kendall, Harvey, Ball and Morrissey!

Only Everton, eh?

Laurie Hartley
73 Posted 20/11/2015 at 10:21:03
Very emotional for me this thread. It brings back memories of one of the happiest periods in my life. Tony’s post got me going but Jimmy’s finished me off.

It’s Friday night here in Australia and I am thinking of the many hours I spent with my lovely dad watching this great football team home and away. As Jimmy said:

"Let’s hope that Everton can win it again in the near future because our fans deserve to be as happy as they were in 62-63."

We will be great again!

Frank Fearns
74 Posted 20/11/2015 at 10:26:23
I've been a Blues supporter for over 60 years – halcyon days with Tony and that great team. One of the biggest disappointments of my life was when he was banned. I dread to think what he felt like.

What a team. Great memories.

John Nolan
75 Posted 20/11/2015 at 12:41:48
I am a 3rd Generation proud Evertonian. I too was at the famous Fulham game, stood on the grass of Goodison Park and looked up as Tony Kay held the cigar.

Let us not think what could have been. Let us concentrate on Tony Kay's reply to what would seem to be a made-up story by Albert Dunlop for his personal gain. For Tony Kay to reply shows courage and love and respect for the truth. Thank you Tony for your view on the story.

The suggestion by one of the Blues' fans to have a half-time walk out by Tony, what a good idea... especially if Tony held a Churchill-type cigar aloft!

In my opinion, Tony Kay was probably one of the top ten footballers Britain has ever produced. That is probably why he held the record for having the highest price tag of a player in 1962.

Jim Lloyd
76 Posted 20/11/2015 at 13:12:40
Phil, too right mate. A first class gobshite was that man and I hope, like you, that he fell down the steps and up the steps...several times.

Spot on John. Tony Kay didn’t write in about himself, he wrote in to the Echo to defend the rest of those lads who gave us a fantastic Championship winning team.

Tony’s reply was extremely dignified and in total contrast to the execrable headline in the Liverpool Echo. I’d love to see him come out on the pitch but can you imagine some of the scumbag press coverage he would receive.

Tony and Jimmy Gabriel and the rest of that fine team who are still with us, could come onto the pitch, for us to show them that we know what they achieved and how they achieved it. Great players, dignified men.

Dave Abrahams
77 Posted 20/11/2015 at 13:18:34
David (#70), your memory is spot on. I'm not sure about Bryan Douglas kicking everyone, he was making a fool out of the Everton team with skill, Tony gave him a dig in the back and Douglas went down and Tony was sent off.

Blackburn were worthy winners 4-2 if I’m not mistaken, with a converted full-back scoring a couple from the centre-forward position. We signed him later that season and he scored a hat-trick on his debut for us against Nottm Forest... Fred Pickering no less.

Tony Kelly
78 Posted 20/11/2015 at 13:26:48
I haven't posted on these pages for a while now due to some doom and gloom merchants spouting their negativity about the Blues. However I feel I must write about Albert Dunlop, because quite frankly the man sold his soul by telling lies to Michael Gabbert in a Sunday People article when for a few pieces of silver he alleged his teammates took drugs.

I remember one piece in the article about a game that took place at Molyneux on a very foggy day, a game I was at incidentally. He said he never heard the ref blow the final whistle, and while he was in the goalmouth he saw a figure approach him, and he dived at his feet as he thought it was the Wolves centre forward. Turned out it was a St John's Ambulance man walking across the pitch!

Dunlop was always a shady character and served time in prison for fraud after he retired from football; that says it all about this wretched man.

Terry White
79 Posted 20/11/2015 at 15:37:11
I was 13 and on Goodison Road looking for autographs when the 19-year-old Jimmy Gabriel came by having just signed from Dundee for £30,000. A huge sum in those days and Jimmy, you were worth every old penny of the fee.

Of course under John Carey it seemed like we were signing new star players every week. It all eventually paid off in the 62-63 season. As quoted above, "what a team" – an exquisite footballing XI.

The young Gabriel was a magnificent sight, like a galleon with full sails billowing as he strode down the middle of the pitch, his blond hair flowing in the wind. And he did do a reasonable job as a No 9 when, as all too often it seemed, the magical Golden Vision was unable to play. Jimmy had a reasonable goal record when playing up front, including, I believe, one against the RS in the days when we used to beat them regularly.

Stay well, Jimmy, and thanks for the memories. You and Tony Kay were quite a pair of wing halves.

Mike Goodwin
80 Posted 20/11/2015 at 16:11:43
Terry @ 79.

I too, at 13, went to Goodison for autographs, and it sounds like we might have been there at the same time, just after he signed for us, because I got Jimmy Gabriel’s autograph as well as two other Jimmys – Jimmy O’Neil and Jimmy Harris (who was quite impatient as I struggled to find my pen!).

Mike Goodwin
81 Posted 20/11/2015 at 16:32:36
Concerning Alex Young, in his first two full seasons (61-62 and 62-63) he only missed 2 games out of 84, which is not bad going for a centre-forward, and in 66-67 he played 35 from 42.In the three seasons from 63-64 to 65-66 he played 35, 24 and 36 cup and league games.

Overall, I think it’s a little unfair to criticise his appearance record, which would compare very favourably to most of the Everton regulars from that period.

Terry White
82 Posted 20/11/2015 at 16:46:56
Mike (#80 and #81), I too got Jimmy O’Neill’s autograph that day. I do not recall getting one from Jimmy Harris but I did have the pleasure of meeting him a year or so ago in the company of Derek Temple. A very charming man and happy to talk about his days with the club before he was transferred to Birmingham.

Perhaps my memory of Young’s absences is somewhat tainted by my disappointment whenever he was not on the team sheet. Of course he was in and out of favour in the seasons following the league trophy win, corresponding with Pickering’s signing.

Trevor Lynes
83 Posted 20/11/2015 at 17:11:02
Personally I reckon a much bigger crime was committed by Darron Gibson. By comparison Kay did very little.

Two Aussie cricketers backed England to beat Australia a few years ago and that was soon forgotten. Think of how Piggott cheated punters over the years when he backed horses he was racing against. He was actually only done over tax evasion.

Sport is filled with cheats across the board but Kay and Swan were really punished, others get away with it.

Tony Dove
85 Posted 20/11/2015 at 18:52:15
I remember we played Liverpool at Anfield shortly after the article was published in the People. There were a load of banners on the Kop referring to purple hearts and other derogatory stuff. We won 4-0. Not sure what the moral of the story is but it was an unforgettable day.

Dunlop opened a sports shop at one point and when customers asked how much an item was he said "How much do Jack Sharps charge?’. Whatever the answer he sold it for less. The shop soon shut and I have a feeling Dunlop was made bankrupt. For his size though, he was a decent keeper.

Brent Stephens
86 Posted 20/11/2015 at 18:59:30
Tony (#85):

"I remember we played Liverpool at Anfield shortly after the article was published in the People. There were a load of banners on the Kop referring to purple hearts and other derogatory stuff."

I took some stick from my dad at the time, him being an unreconstructed RS. Anyway, what did somebody like Fowler have to sniff at?

Dave Abrahams
88 Posted 21/11/2015 at 10:15:51
Tony (#85),

When Johnny Morrissey scored the fourth goal in the Kop end, the Kop quickly lost thousands of their supporters who went home early (very early), taking their banners with them.

Eugene Ruane
89 Posted 21/11/2015 at 10:18:10
In ’The Fix’, the dramatised version of the Tony Kay story made for TV, the part of Harry Catterick was played by Colin Welland.

This begs the question - has a casting director ever put less effort into his/her work?

"The Story of World War Two? Ok.. erm.. Churchill, Lenny Henry. Hitler, Helen Shapiro. Stalin, Warwick Davis..." etc.

Sean Allinson
90 Posted 21/11/2015 at 11:07:07
Not only that Eugene (89), but Jason Isaacs who played Tony Kay, is a red!


Mike Goodwin
91 Posted 21/11/2015 at 11:10:26
Interesting observation, Eugene. If we took it a step further, we could sign a whole raft of top players on the cheap, by paying actors to impersonate them.

The Chuckle Brothers could have a decent stab at Ronaldo and Messi and perhaps Margaret Rutherford could stand in for Jack Butland in goal.

Dennis Stevens
92 Posted 21/11/2015 at 11:48:25
The Echo opened this can of worms & now don’t like what they find inside. Perhaps a bit of consideration of the the families of former players who are no longer with us would have been in order when considering the merits of digging up this old dirt.

However, it also begs the question as to why the Echo would want to diminish this great achievement on the part of one of the city’s two football clubs. It also makes me think the Club would do well to review their relationship with this organisation.

Tbh, I’d like to think the Club’s legal representatives would have been in touch with the Echo after such a scurrilous piece of so-called journalism – but I suppose that wouldn’t be considered the "Everton way".

Karl Jones
93 Posted 21/11/2015 at 12:09:49
There’s something inherently wrong with The Echo. They’re always quick to criticise and denegrate anything to do with Everton, the first chance they get.

After a period of fair coverage which came from a deluge of Evertonians contacting "Ali", they have now gone back to their policy of LFC coverage Back page and inside back pages then Everton, and if you happen to be a Tranmere fan, you’re lucky if you get a mention.

As soon as an Everton fan boos inside Goodison, there is an article pointing out how fickle our fans are and how grateful we should be. When the Rednoses ("The world's most passionate supporters", c/o a Dave Prentice love-in and most puke inducing article ever), walk out 10 minutes from the end during the Palace game, and even their manager gives a veiled criticism, not a dicky bird.

We should start another campaign to boycott The Red Echo.

Chris Hockenhull
94 Posted 21/11/2015 at 12:38:18
David Hamilton (70). Thanks for this. That was my first ever game. I can't recall anything about the game. I would love to read a match report of it actually. I still have programme.

A few months later, I was all set to go to the Nottm Forest game with dad where I would have witnessed Pickering’s debut. However, on the Friday night, I beautifully volleyed a ball through our back living-room window about 8pm so was banned from going to the game the next day as dad had to put new glass in!!!

Patrick Murphy
95 Posted 21/11/2015 at 12:47:58
I tried looking for that match against Blackburn on YouTube but couldn’t find anything,. However, I did find a brief video of the opening League game of the 1963-64 against Fulham at Goodison. Tony Kay was somewhere on the pitch - I’m sure those who watched Everton in those days, might be able to spot him.

Jim Lloyd
96 Posted 21/11/2015 at 16:43:25
Too right, Karl, I’ll not be buying another issue of that rag. It wasn’t just poorly written, the headline stated clearly a sensationalist "story":

"How Everton won the championship with performance-enhancing drugs"

What a bloody rag.

Ray Atherton
97 Posted 21/11/2015 at 18:23:36
In the 63-64 season, a mate and I hitch-hiked to Upton Park for a game with West Ham. We would go to see the players at their hotel about 11 am. Jimmy Gabriel asked us to sell magazines of our Championship season, the cockneys loved them. Being 16 years old then, Jimmy was my idol.

This fixture was the third time I went to Upton Park within 8 months. First in February in the FA Cup, lost 1-0 to a penalty. Won in April 2-1 (more or less clinched the title). Tony Kay was booed in the cup game. A few weeks later, the Hammers fans applauded him off in the league game, he had a stormer.

The match in October "63 we were beaten 4-2. A young Barry Rees made his debut and scored a goal but tragically he was taken away from us later with heart problems. Tony Kay scored a cracker.

Talking of the Hammers, a 19-year-old Jimmy Gabriel made his debut in 1960 at Upton Park, 2-2. He fouled one of their players, the Ref had his book out and said "Number 4... what's your name?"

A shy Dundee lad replied, "James Gabriel, sir".

Well, James Gabriel, don't let it happen again," said the Ref. Imagine RS Clattenburgh, it would have been a sending off.

Laurie (#73), I love to read about our happiest days with fellow ToffeeWebers about those early '60s.

Great result today. COYB

Jim Lloyd
98 Posted 21/11/2015 at 20:25:12
Mike (#81),

About Alex Young, I too think that was unfair criticism of Alex. I remember seeing... no, hearing an interview with Alex on Radio Merseyside. He talked about a continuing problem he had with blisters on his feet after a match.

He didn’t go on about it, just mentioned that they got a bit sore. But another member of the team told how his feet were a bloody mess after some games. (I suppose on the hard pitches... I don’t know but he had a real bad time with them.)

I was at Anfield, in the Anfield Road End, when we beat them Reds. Yeah, the Kop emptied and it was "our reserves" as well.

Trevor Powell
99 Posted 21/11/2015 at 21:11:15
I used to live in Wallace Drive in Huyton at this time. Just up the street lived Blues stalwart Tommy E Jones and the genial Irish full-back, Mick Meagan.

Tommy’s career had just been ended by injury but Mick was an accomplished left-back adding to a defence of Alex Parker, Brian Labone and Brian Harris.

For this lowlife Dunlop to suggest that these decent men both on and off the pitch were cheats is anathema and anunwarranted slur on their reputations.

We saw what a lovely man Mick Meagan was in his dealings with his neighbours. Mick only left the club when he was "swapped" for the legendary Ray Wilson.

The late Brian Harris has become folklore in Newport for his football and charity exploits. Team-mate, Derek Temple, said: "Alex was a great colleague and a genuine gentleman." Brian Labone, a Merseyside Icon, the last of the true corinthians! Need we say more.......

So, the Echo and a Sunday toilet roll expect me to believe the worst about these four great men.... and of course the Golden Vision, Gordon West, Dennis Stevens et al... Dunlop deserves all the brickbats and odium for his pathetic allegations. And as for the Echo, just shows what a no-mark bunch of journalists they are!

A few years ago, I went on a course in Cardiff about dealing with the provincial press and the underlying message was that local journalists are lazy bastards, who investigate next to nothing and rely on press handouts and second-hand material! QED Echo journalists

Terry White
100 Posted 21/11/2015 at 22:29:26
Patrick (#95), difficult to miss Tony Kay in the Fulham game video as he is Captain for the day in the absence of Vernon.

Also, Ray (#97), although it is true that Barry Rees did suffer some heart problems (an enIarged heart?) I believe he was killed in a car crash shortly after being transferred to Brighton. His last game for us was in the infamous Battle of Goodison against Leeds in 1964.

Patrick Murphy
101 Posted 21/11/2015 at 22:36:18
Terry (#100),

I realised that after I posted it earlier today but I knew that it would get picked up on, I honestly never realised before seeing that video that Kay had captained the side, particularly when Labone was playing. My excuse is I was only a toddler at the time and some would argue I haven’t progressed since.

Ray Roche
102 Posted 21/11/2015 at 22:40:03
The Echo dredging this non-story up is as relevant today as the proven case of the Liverpool and Manchester United players throwing a match for money in 1915 in an attempt to save United from relegation. Why not headline an article with that? After all, most of the relatives and all of the players will be dead by now so there’s no need to consider their feelings....

Silly me! It might tarnish the reputation of the lovable rascals from across the park, mightn’t it?

Crap paper. Crap article.

Brent Stephens
103 Posted 21/11/2015 at 23:04:02
Jim (#98), yes Alex Young had big problems with his blisters at the start of every season. He had all sorts of suggestions from fans and others as to how to avoid them and cure them. I suffered the same problem at the start of each season – but never quite matched his abilities!
Dennis Stevens
104 Posted 22/11/2015 at 14:36:26
By printing this tripe, the Echo are placing faith in the accusation of one man against the character of former players & staff, many of whom are no longer around to defend themselves. In doing so, they raise the question of the character of the man whose accusation they have chosen to publish. Therefore, it is entirely inappropriate to attempt to censor Tony Kay’s response on the basis that they have stated.

It may be distressing for his relatives to read but then no more so than it will have been for the relatives of the former players & staff who have been falsely accused without any evidence. It seems to me that the Echo is less fit for purpose than Andrex, although it’s clearly not fit for any other purpose!

Ray Atherton
105 Posted 22/11/2015 at 15:21:15
Terry (#100),

Yes, you are right about Barry Rees.

He died in a car crash; he'd been transferred to Brighton.

Terry White
106 Posted 22/11/2015 at 19:03:21
Patrick (#101), thanks for posting the video. It was great to see again, albeit fleetingly, glimpses of Jimmy Gabriel, Alex Parker, Alex Scott and the vastly underrated Dennis Stevens on the ball.

Interesting for me were the crowd shots at the end. The old lady is Mrs Eanig. She and her husband, one of the elderly gentlemen shown, stood near to my Dad and me on the old Goodison Road side, near to where the players emerged onto the field.

Bob Parrington
107 Posted 23/11/2015 at 07:41:15
Derek #10. Thanks for revealing my "alias". No, really, I wasn't good enough to play at such heady heights and so it must have been my namesake! Ha! Ha!

It's nice to know that others remember the tackle. I'm really happy also to see comments from Jimmy Gabriel. Hi, Mr Gabriel Sir! Thanks for so many great footballing memories!


Laurie Hartley
108 Posted 23/11/2015 at 08:47:27
Ray (#97) – yes it is great to share the memories – that is a big part of why I come on ToffeeWeb (thanks Lyndon & Michael). We are privileged to have seen that team play. I still feel a tremendous sense of pride when I read about them or watch a video on YouTube. Many of us are scattered around the globe now but we have a tremendous common bond. It is a wonderful thing.

You will not be surprised to hear I was at Upton Park the night we got knocked out of the cup 1-0. I forget who "fouled" I think it was Johnny Byrne but thought at the time it was a very soft penalty – I was behind the goal on the terraces about 6 yards away from the incident. It was a long trip home that night.

Terry (#100), I was at the battle of Goodison when Sandy Brown tried to cave John Giles's rib cage in (retribution for a terrible two-footed challenge). I was on the Goodison Rd terraces near the Park End – I knew he was going off. Pity... we could have done with him in the light of what followed. I also seem to remember a wag close to me shouting to the very one footed Norman Hunter – "Where’s your effing parrot Hunter?" Blimey there were some tough footballers knocking about in those days.

Jim (#98), I was at Anfield when we gave it to them 4-0. Oh happy days indeed. Andy Rankin had a blinder – there was a great picture of him flying through the air to make a spectacular save on the front page of "that paper" that night.

It seem strange now here in Australia 12,000 miles away and 50-odd years later that we could have been standing right next to each other in those football stadiums all those years ago.

I do hope our younger fans get to experience the joy and euphoria that we did as youngsters. Strange as it may seem I do believe they will – something is brewing. Perhaps all it would take is for them to put the blue stripe back on the white shorts. ;)


Dave Abrahams
109 Posted 23/11/2015 at 09:10:21
Laurie (#108), yes, I was at the game when we got beat by West Ham. A mate of mine got on the pitch after the game and was talking to "Budgie" Byrne going off, he said to him,

"That was never a penalty."

Budgie said: "Yes, you’re right it wasn’t a penalty."

My mate said "Well what did you fuckin’ score it for?"

Budgie just smiled; there was no answer to that.

John Hughes
110 Posted 23/11/2015 at 09:48:02
Terry and Ray you are right about Barry Rees he did die in a car crash whilst at Brighton.

Another young Welsh player went to Brighton from Everton named Keith Webber who finished his career at Chester; he ran a pub in the city and he died of a heart attack just after finishing at the pub.

Eugene Ruane
111 Posted 23/11/2015 at 10:20:59
Laurie (108) - The passing of years gives us more memories I suppose, but physically, plays rotten tricks on us.

I came through Dublin airport on Friday and in front of me at security was John(ny) Giles with his good lady.

I didn't see him at first as he was just an anonymous looking, little, white-haired old feller.

But I noticed one of the security fellers ask him for a pic and thought 'Jesus, that's Johnny Giles!' ('that's' being Johnny Giles, not the security feller)

To look at him now and remember how him and his team cynically dished it out in the 60s/70s felt kind of strange - specially as now he looks like he'd have trouble kicking his slippers off.

Ray Roche
112 Posted 23/11/2015 at 14:07:10
Eugene, I’m surprised you managed to resist the temptation to hoof the little runt up the hoop as payback for all the cowardly, snidey little tackles and kicks the diminutive shit bag dished out behind the referees back when he played for Leeds, or to give them their full title, Dirty Leeds. You really must try harder.

Incidentally, I saw Roy Keane in the car park before the game, generously posing for selfies with some Blues. As a player he was hard and dirty, but not a coward.

Terry White
113 Posted 23/11/2015 at 15:39:50
Nostalgia is a wonderful thing. Amazing how we all recall the same events in different ways. How will my grandchildren, now 7, 3 and one on the way, react to my telling them about Young and Vernon, Gabriel, Labone and Kay, Parker, West, Wilson, Ball, etc...? Probably with a blank look and a "Grandad! Not again!" look on their lovely faces.

Back to 62-63. In addition to the players mentioned above, we must not forget the unfortunate George Thomson, Brian Harris, Billy Bingham, Ray Veall, and Johnny Morrissey, all of whom played significant roles during the course of the season.

I remember well, I think, the run-in that year and the mounting excitement. The Easter games home and away against Birmingham, 2-2 at home and then a priceless 1-0 win there the next day (I went on the bus to that game). The wonderful 1-0 win over Spurs with Alex Young's graceful header over Bill Brown into the Gwladys Street net. Some results that we ground out indcluding a win at West Ham and then a tough 1-0 home win over Bolton with a late Roy Vernon winner (did Dunlop save a penalty in that game?). Then the trouncing of WBA midweek (never mind the pills, that was the game where we were accused of paying them off to lose!). And finally the wonderful conclusion against Fulham

When I look back, we played 6 league games (none of which were lost) over a two week period - imagine asking the current footballer to do that - and the side basically stayed unchanged through those games.

As I say...nostalgia... I can only hope we are on the verge of something special that we, or more likely our own children, can relate to our great granchildren....

Dave Abrahams
114 Posted 23/11/2015 at 16:16:46
Terry (#113) all the players you mention had a part to play in the 1962-63 championship winning team. I’d be very interested to know how many games Ray Veall, who started the season in the team, and Johnny Morrissey, who we signed from Liverpool that season, played that season?

If I’m right, Derek Temple didn’t play many that season, in the outside left position anyway, maybe Patrick Murphy could enlighten us if he gets a chance.

Patrick Murphy
115 Posted 23/11/2015 at 16:37:14
Dave (#114) Happy to oblige. Here’s a link to Evertonresults.com:

Apps Etc 62-63

Ray Roche
116 Posted 23/11/2015 at 16:42:57
Patrick, for all the comments about Alex Young and his blisters he was an ever present that season, along with the hugely underrated Dennis Stevens, a player who was the template of the industrious, hard working midfielder. And with talent, too.

Morrissey was always one of my favourite players, who’d have thought he’d end up fronting the Smiths...

Dave Abrahams
117 Posted 23/11/2015 at 17:05:00
Patrick (#115) thanks very much, in answer to my own question: Morrissey played 28 games; Veall 11 and Temple 5.
Brian Harrison
118 Posted 23/11/2015 at 17:10:09
Dave (#114);

I remember going to Burnley where Ray Veall played against Angus and Elder who were both Internationals for their Countries. Veall tore them inside out and, if memory is correct, hit the bar from outside the box. Everybody thought he was going to be a top player, but sadly it didn’t materialize that way.

Terry White
119 Posted 23/11/2015 at 18:14:03
Brian, (#118),

I was at that game at Turf Moor too, first of the championship season and a great 3-1 win, Bingham, Vernon and Young being our scorers. They had a good team, John Connelly, Jimmy McIlroy, Ray Pointer being up front for them and I think they had won the league within the past season or two.

Veall (signed from Doncaster Rovers, I think) was a tricky player, a fine crosser of the ball, but rather lightweight and probably not a Catterick type of player. Hence the signing of Morrissey while Derek Temple was injured for much of the season, only returning for the final few games.

I believe Ray Veall is still alive and I did see an interview with him not too long ago (perhaps through the Players’ Foundation) as he received a belated medal for the league-winning season. The left wing position was a problem for us once the marvellous Tommy Ring was injured. Veall followed in the footsteps of Jimmy Fell (who could score a goal or two), Mickey Lill, who played either wing and also could find the back of the net, and some awful players we had in the late 50s prior to Ring such as Bobby Laverick and Peter Kavanagh (signed from a non-league club). Although, if I recall correctly, Laverick had a very good goals to games ratio.

Names to remember... or forget...

Brian Harrison
120 Posted 23/11/2015 at 19:45:21
Terry (#119),

Yes, I am pretty sure we got Ray from Doncaster. That Burnley side was a very good one; I liked watching Ray Pointer play for them. I thought that Andy Gray reminded me a lot of Ray Pointer.

Funny I can remember games from over 50 years ago, yet struggle to remember games that took place only 12 months ago. I often bore my 2 sons who go the match with me by going on about players and games from the past.

To think for night games we used to get over 70,000 and all paid cash at the turnstile and got change, and the games kicked off at 7:30 then.

Ray Atherton
121 Posted 23/11/2015 at 20:35:03
Terry (#113),

Snap; I also have Grandchildren 7, 3 and one on the way.

Another one of the late 50s player, Alan Shackleton.

Everton were on the brink of selling our cannonball kid, Davie Hickson. A supporter went on the pitch with a banner reading "If Dave goes we all go."

Shackleton was very amused, knowing he was going to take his centre-forward place.

Terry White
122 Posted 23/11/2015 at 23:13:46
I remember Alan Shackleton, Ray. How about Jimmy Glazzard?
Terry White
123 Posted 23/11/2015 at 23:16:02
Brian, those 2 night cup replays against Charlton and Villa were awful affairs, 70,000+, fog at the Villa game, I think.
Dave Abrahams
124 Posted 24/11/2015 at 00:43:00
Terry (#123),

The Villa game was an afternoon game, Gerry Hitchins scored an hat-trick in a 4-1 loss to us.

Jimmy Glassard scored four against us for Huddersfield Town, then signed for us when he was past his best.

Interestingly Jimmy scored the winning goal for Huddersfield against Preston NE and then went in goal and saved a penalty from the great Tom Finney in an FA Cup game.

John Codling
125 Posted 24/11/2015 at 12:39:56
I had the privilege of seeing Tony Kay, and believe me this guy was was in a class of his own. I still tell people that, if Tony had not been banned, Bobby Moore would not have been England Captain, such was his ability and skill, no offence to Bobby Moore.

The measure of a good player is when you got the cushions thrown at you from the main stand as Tony did the week before he signed for us. There is no telling what would have been but Harry Catterick often said his plans had been for two redheads after he had signed Alan Ball.

His plans never came to pass... imagine these two in the same team???

Terry White
126 Posted 24/11/2015 at 17:04:00
Dave (#124), you are right about the Villa cup game. I do remember one evening game, perhaps it was Charlton, with heavy fog.

Anyway, names from the past, let me throw in Peter Harburn for good measure. Glazzard, Shackleton, Harburn, no wonder we were not much good in those days.

Ray Atherton
127 Posted 24/11/2015 at 17:43:16
Terry (#126),

I went to Charlton (The Valley) with my Uncle and 3 of his mates. We got a 2-2 draw, I think we were two-nil down, remembering being thrown up in the air when we equalized. Their goalie Willie Duff got sent off for striking Dave Hickson.

The replay was a very foggy night, about 72,000 fans. I was in the Boys Pen but could not see beyond the half-way line.

Terry White
128 Posted 24/11/2015 at 17:59:22
Ray, my Dad went to the game at the Valley. It was a long drive down south in those days. Yes, we were down 2-0 in that game and came back.

I believe we won the replay 4-1 after extra time but the fog prevents me from being too sure about that. I think that was one of our games with an attendance of over 70,000, all pay at the gate.

Phil Roberts
129 Posted 25/11/2015 at 10:43:19
Surely Alex Young's boots were sprinkled with some sort of magic dust, otherwise how else could he have moved like he did.
Peter Dolan
130 Posted 28/11/2015 at 06:12:00
I read with great interest this letter from Tony Kay. It brought back some bitter/sweet memories for me.

Prior to Tony’s transfer, Brian Harris, a local lad who had come through the ranks, played at Number 6 or left-half as it then was called. Brian had been playing really well and there were even rumours in the local papers that he might be called up for England. Then Harry Catterick spent a fortune and brought in Tony Kay from Sheffield Wednesday. My immediate reaction was why had Catterick made this move; could he not appreciate how well Brian Harris was playing?

I went to the next home game expecting to be proved right and that Tony Kay was no better than Brian Harris. But how wrong I was; within 20 minutes, I realised what an exceptional player we had signed in Tony Kay. He totally dominated the game and the ball appeared to be a magnet attached to his feet. Game after game, Tony was the best player on the field and soon he was called into the England team, then tragedy struck.

A national newspaper discovered Tony had placed a bet when playing for his previous club, Sheffield Wednesday, that they would lose away at Ipswich Town. Two other Wednesday players, Bronco Layne and Peter Swann, were also involved.

Tony was sent to prison and banned for life from playing professional football. He had been a certainty to be in Alf Ramsey’s World Cup winning team and I am sure that he, rather than Nobby Stiles, would have played in the World Cup Final.

Tony’s career was over and Everton lost a player who would have become an all-time great. Subsequently, Everton have had many great midfield players: Alan Ball, Colin Harvey, Howard Kendall, Martin Dobson, Peter Reid and Paul Bracewell to name but a few... but, as good as they were, none in my opinion, were quite as good as Tony Kay.

Many years later, I was at Goodison Park and it was announced that Tony Kay would be presented to the crowd. Apparently it was his first visit since he was banned from the game. As he appeared through the tunnel, the applause was thunderous and continued all the way as Tony made his way around the ground.

I think everyone there realised what a dreadful price Tony had paid for his mistake.

And Brian Harris? Well he was moved to left back and spent a few more seasons at Everton before moving on but was never again spoken of as a potential England player.

Derek Thomas
131 Posted 28/11/2015 at 07:56:30
John (#125); I think Harry must’ve had a fetish for redheads. He signed Kay, then Ball, then Jackson. But he also had a £15k offer for Bremner accepted, only to have Revie threaten to walk out of Leeds if they went through with it.
Ray Roche
132 Posted 28/11/2015 at 10:25:29
Peter, I think your memory must be playing tricks regarding Harris at left back! Ray Wilson had been signed and, quite rightly, played every League game when he was fit, 52 in all. In the two seasons Harris played regularly after Kay had left he recorded 71 games. Sandy Brown was the recognised cover for Wilson (and just about everyone else!)

Harris, much underrated in my view, continued where he’d left off before Kay signed at left half. Left Half. That ages us, Peter. I’ve got a couple of great memories of Harris, but the one where he dons the policeman’s helmet after Eddie Cavanagh had run onto the Wembley pitch in 1966 is a cracker.

Fred Pickering was another player who doesn’t get the credit he deserves but I suppose the injury that resulted in his absence from the 66 Cup Team meant he never fulfilled his potential. Great shame.

Dave Abrahams
133 Posted 28/11/2015 at 10:42:16
Peter (#130), thanks for your post, I also thought Tony had been presented to the crowd but couldn’t really remember the occasion.

Looking back, he was as good as you say and wouldn’t have been out of place on any football field no matter who else was on the pitch.

Derek (#131), did Tommy Jackson have red hair?

Ray Roche
134 Posted 04/12/2015 at 14:21:37
OK, I know this is an addition to a fairly recent thread as opposed to a new one, but if you read this you should find it interesting, especially the Alan Ball bit. I had forgotten this all went on.


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