Reports suggest Everton aren’t giving up on their top targets

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Rumour Mill Special

Could Unai Emery be tempted to leave Sevilla for Everton, particularly now that Mochi has reportedly signaled his intention to leave the Liga club.

updated Separate reports in England and Spain are claiming that the Blues are not letting up in their pursuit of Unai Emery and Ronald Koeman.

As recently as in the lead-up to the Europa League final almost two weeks ago, in which Sevilla lifted the trophy for an astounding third time in succession, Emery has committed his future to the La Liga side but according to Estadio Deportivo, the respected local paper in Seville with close contacts with Los Rojiblancos, that is not fazing Farhad Moshiri.

ED report that Everton's major shareholder is leveraging the persuasive talents of Jorge Mendes, the “super agent” who represents Jose Mourinho and, until last month, Emery himself, to see if he can lure the 44-year-old to Merseyside by selling him on the vision of a sleeping giant that now as the means to match its desire to crack the Premier League's top four.

Emery apparently has a release clause in his contract with Sevilla that Moshiri is prepared to meet if it means landing a man whom ED describe as the Toffees' first choice to succeed Roberto Martinez ahead of Manuel Pellegrini. Reports in the English press have claimed that Emery is interested but it could still be a tough sell, with the Spanish club's director of football, Monchi, confident that his head coach will stay to continue building on what they have already achieved at the Ramón Sánchez Pizjuán Stadium.

In a twist to the plot, however, Monchi is reportedly set to leave Sevilla this summer, throwing fresh doubt on Emery's position there.

Meanwhile, the less reputable Mirror are claiming that Everton are offering to more than double the £2.5m-a year salary offered to Koeman by Southampton by pledging him £6m if he will leave the south coast club with a year left on his current deal and take up the reins at Goodison Park.

Koeman, who has just steered the Saints to sixth place and Europa League qualification for the second season running, has already held talks on a new contract via his agent and is said to be considering the deal. Everton had reportedly installed him as their first choice candidate soon after Martinez's sacking earlier this month but, if true, they have had to wait for him to listen to Southampton's offer first.

The Dutchman is widely expected to elect to remain at St Mary's Stadium, at least for the remaining year of his existing contract, although Daily Star reporter Paul Brown has claimed on Twitter that Everton were initially encouraged by Koeman's camp to open talks.

These latest uncorroborated reports come in the wake of MailOnline's assertion yesterday that Moshiri, who the same report claims is looking to bring former Arsenal chief executive David Dein into the Everton boardroom, has been talking to Manchester City insiders. He wants to get a feel for Pellegrini's management style and whether or not he could transmit a tough a personal to a team that lost both its way and, apparently, its respect for the manager this past season.

Pellegrini is looking for his next assignment after being let go by City who have hired Pep Guardiola to take the helm at the Etihad Stadium following successful spells at Barcelona and Bayern Munich. Departing Ajax boss Frank de Boer is also in the frame but remains fairly low key in terms of media speculation at the moment.

 

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David K Shaw
1 Posted 30/05/2016 at 07:29:43
There certainly appears to be a level of persistence and ambition with the managerial appointment that, if true, would be an exciting development in our overall approach to the club. Dein would be a very shrewd appointment to the operation and if we continue to show this desire imagine what could be possible...

Waterside dream Stadium, transfer activity to be proud of and maybe even at a stretch an adequately run marketing department and commercial team... Exciting times!

Liam Reilly
2 Posted 30/05/2016 at 08:07:27
I'd be very surprised if Dein would consider moving up north at 72; so any appointment would be on a half baked scenario or consultant level which Elstone will no doubt be delighted to hear.

Still, it does sound like Moshri knows what he wants and won't be rushed; which can only be good news for the club.

Paul Tran
3 Posted 30/05/2016 at 08:46:41
Kenwright was often quoted that he regarded us as 'the Arsenal of the north'. Moshiri appears to be a good coup, getting Dein in would be another. Are we witnessing a new professionally-run EFC?
Steve Bell
4 Posted 30/05/2016 at 08:49:56
Dein would not be required to move North, after all Kenwright lives in London, Moshiri lives in Monaco(?). The board of directors can live anywhere, even say the Virgin Islands.
Gerard Carey
5 Posted 30/05/2016 at 08:52:18
What I really like about this is that it's Mr Moshiri's name that is behind all this.

Not one mention of BK in this. The times they are a changing!!..., and for the better.
Les Martin
6 Posted 30/05/2016 at 08:53:46
I think we have someone really special at the helm, who intends to shake us down to the core, and away from mediocrity.

A new Manager, ground move and exciting players? We can dream, but it's a real possibility.

Sam Hoare
7 Posted 30/05/2016 at 08:53:51
Go get Emery. The guy looks a winner to me. Dein and Uzmanov would have us running like a proper club soon. Then just a waterfront stadium and Moshiri may have pulled off something quite remarkable.
Martin Swindley
8 Posted 30/05/2016 at 08:59:12
Hopefully we can have someone in place before the Euros so the manager can review the players on show in the positions he wants. We could do with a complete squad as early as possible for the best preparation for the start of the season.
Roman Demko
9 Posted 30/05/2016 at 09:21:01
I am curious about your opinions. There were a lot of names regarding the new manager. But personally, I miss one. Rudi García was sacked by AS Roma due to poor run of form in january. I think he has decent record with Lille - title & cup = three times French Manager of the Year. In the eternal city he was a little overshadowed beside dominant Juventus.

That means 2 consecutive second places with nice high-flying football. Even his defensive record was pretty good. Of course there is a lot what can be told about his carreer but I am trying to be brief for sake of my English.

Therefore I´m surprised he is nowhere known and mentioned. What do you think?
Peter Howard
10 Posted 30/05/2016 at 09:40:31
I'm really hoping that any delay (if you can call it that) is indicative of the fact that Moyes is not in the frame.

Surely, if he was a realistic prospect, Moyes would have been appointed (or as BK would term it, anointed) by now.

Tim Locke
11 Posted 30/05/2016 at 09:53:04
The more I have thought about this the more I have concluded any of four (emery, pellegrini, FDB and Koemen) mentioned should be given a go. Football has moved to a direction of managers for 2-3 years and move on. Look at Barca, RM, BM, PSG and Man U, only arsenal have remained entrenched. As fans I think we have to accept that managers will come and go, they might win something, improve the side or make it worse. Those who fail will be moved on quickly, those who succeed might be extended.

So in my head I am slowly moving away from this appointment has to be 100% right, we are not in the last chance saloon any more, if we fail we can go again. So take your time get the man you want, as fans we will give them 2 years to see they are making progress, but fail and we should be looking for a replacement.

Ernie Baywood
12 Posted 30/05/2016 at 10:00:09
The report seems positive, but if I choose to believe any of this one then I have to believe the next one, which will likely link us with Moyes or Pulis our someone else completely unacceptable to me.

So to avoid cherry picking the reports I like, I'm holding fire until there's something more solid looking... while checking ToffeeWeb daily!

Peter Howard
13 Posted 30/05/2016 at 10:01:12
Tim (11)

Totally agree.

It's all changed.No matter how much they talk about 'projects' the fact is that modern managers know that more than ever they are in a results based business- hence, they do not expect to be given loads of time.

Ray Roche
14 Posted 30/05/2016 at 10:02:44
Peter (#10),

Finally, a bit of common sense. IF Moyes was to be instated as the next manager he'd have been in by now, spreading his misery and gloom across the fields of Finch Farm, the offices and the terraces of Goodison Park, like Private Frazer from Dad's Army.

But he's not, despite his availability and his, hopefully last, appearance at Goodison watching one of our own knock seven kinds out of an opponent. Moyes is yesterday's man. He's pissed on his chips, not only with us, but after his failures at Man Utd and Real Sociedad his stock has plummeted.

We're too big for him and his style now.

Kase Chow
15 Posted 30/05/2016 at 10:04:40
The whole process appears to smack of professionalism and proper due diligence coupled with ambition. So refreshing.

I'd like our apparent first choice targets (Emery and Koeman) in ASAP naturally but I hope we don't wait too long for them and thereby scupper an important summer's rebuilding programme. There should be a cut off date whereby we look at our Tier 2 targets (FdB and Pelligrini) so that we can best utilise the close season.

However, whilst we still don't know much about Moshiri, the clubs appears to be run differently to the past and that can only be a good thing.

As a final thought, it could be that Moshiri agreed to interview Moyes as paying lip service to Kenwright. After all, he can't just dismiss everything the man says or suggests.

Bobby Thomas
16 Posted 30/05/2016 at 10:07:06
Liam #2

Why would Dein have to move Merseyside?!

Do you think Moshiri has boxed off a place in Allerton?

Laurie Hartley
17 Posted 30/05/2016 at 10:16:52
Ray - Correct
Carl Sanderson
18 Posted 30/05/2016 at 10:20:19
This speculation is just wearisome. I think we should wait until the successful candidate's presser and give the guy a true Goodison welcome*. Meanwhile, the sun is shining, it's a Bank Holiday and barbecues and beers await.


*Unless it's Moyes.

Ian Burns
19 Posted 30/05/2016 at 10:32:56
Now that Mourinho's appointment is out of the way, the tabloids etc can concentrate a little more on who is coming to Goodison Park, so expect a few more rumours yet before any announcement is made – or SSN spy somebody of note walking into the Chairman's London offices.

I want us to appoint a manager that makes the present players, such as Stones and Lukaku, think twice about leaving (although I fully recognise it is far too late) and Koeman for me doesn't really do it.

Simeone I know is highly unlikely but can you imagine the reaction amongst the fans, players and opposing fans if we pulled that one off!

You are right Carl (#18) – get the barbie on; get the beers out and wait for the announcement. In the meantime I will be back on TW in an hour – just in case!

Phil Walling
20 Posted 30/05/2016 at 10:33:55
In spite of all the talk of a top European manager, I'm coming to believe that it was going to be Moyes all along.

BK used Moshiri to play the bad guy to get rid of Martinez so that he could return to the safety of his 'blood brother'.

Pray to God that I am wrong all of youse!

Gerry Quinn
21 Posted 30/05/2016 at 10:34:29
I am sure that the delay is EFC waiting for all ToffeeWebbers to go on their holidays before they announce Moysie as the new Manager!
Terry Underwood
22 Posted 30/05/2016 at 10:48:26
I find it difficult to believe that any of the coaches being touted on TW posts would be interested in a move to Goodison Park. Why would Koeman leave a top 6-8 club for a mid-low table club? Still, we shall see in the clubs own good time.

I was actually a fan of Moyes, but do not want him back. Not only did he sneak out the back door, but also branded EFC fans as "a discrace" just for singing that he was full of shit. Roberto lost the fans, Moyes wouldn't have them to start with.

Aidy Dews
23 Posted 30/05/2016 at 10:54:00
I think it's obviously clear our No 1 target is already at a club. Personally I think it's Koeman; if it was Emery then surely we'd of already requested permission to speak to him or met his release clause so we could speak to him.

With Koeman, he's still to sit down himself with the Southampton board and talk about the future and budgets etc and the longer we go on with no manager news or appointment, then I think we're waiting on developments with Koeman and Southampton before we make our move.

If the likes of Pellegrini & de Boer were top choices to be our manager, then we could of made deals for either by now but we haven't, so clearly we're waiting on a manager who is already at a club.

My choice as always been de Boer, and I wouldn't mind Pellegrini either but both Koeman & Emery are good choices as well but personally I think us Evertonians would have to be happy with either if we're honest!

I just want us to get something sorted out now, within the next week or two at the very latest.

Colin Glassar
24 Posted 30/05/2016 at 11:00:58
Liam (#2), not even BK "lives up north" so why would Dein?
David Ellis
25 Posted 30/05/2016 at 11:01:05
Terry (#22) by that reasoning then Koeman would also be turning down mid table Chelsea or Liverpool!

I agree there is no reason for him to move to Everton, but let's be clear it would be a step up, not a step down. But for him its not a big enough step up to make it worthwhile, and he's better waiting for a bigger offer in a years' time from Arsenal.

As for Emery, the fact is that the Premier League is now the "NBA" of football – it's totally dominant off the pitch. Once again the team that finishes bottom next season will earn more than the title winners this season from TV money. Already, all 20 Premier League clubs are in the top 30 of the rich list and this is only going to get more obvious until there is a breakaway of big clubs at the other leagues.

So for someone like Emery he will be able to attract far better players to Everton than he can to Sevilla (even though I think they would give us a hiding if we played them tomorrow). This must be tempting. The Premier League is the new Champions League (at least for managers).

Clive Lewis
26 Posted 30/05/2016 at 11:01:26
Terry,

If rumour is true, Moshiri will double the money what Southampton are offering. Therein lies the answer.

Denis Richardson
27 Posted 30/05/2016 at 11:19:07
Main thing I like in all these reports is that Moshiri seems to be leading the charge and BK is not involved in any significant way.

As long as that stays the same, I'm confident we'll get a manager everyone can get behind and Everton will push on on all fronts.

Brian Harrison
28 Posted 30/05/2016 at 11:22:20
I posted yesterday that, with each passing day of Koeman not signing a new contract, then maybe we have a chance of him coming here. I know some have said why would he leave Southampton who finished higher and have qualified for the Europa League. Because firstly the money he will earn and secondly he will have the backing of a billionaire.

Also the prospect of a new ground but mainly the money will allow him to buy better players than he ever could at Southampton. I also believe Koeman is the man to build this club back to were it was 30 years ago, again rumour says he will stay at Southampton for another 12 months and get the Arsenal job. Well, first, a lot can happen in 12 months... and Wenger has just agreed a 2 year deal.

Mike Keating
29 Posted 30/05/2016 at 11:23:16
Ian @ 19 – if dreams be the food of happiness, dream on. But how can they be turned into reality?

Well, Simeone IS considering his future following cup final misery (I saw it on Sky News so it has to be true) and all the top Premier League clubs are now spoken for plus EFC have shed loads of dosh and the prospect of working with Osman and Hibbert must be irresistible.

As I have now doubled the groundswell of fan based support for Simeone, it is only a matter of time before this is reported in the Daily Star as "a source close to Goodison Park" and the club will be forced to appoint amid the media frenzy which follows.

Job done.

Tony Draper
30 Posted 30/05/2016 at 11:24:20
In reality, the reason that Roberto's services were dispensed with was because he had ALL the necessaries for success.

Therefore, any prospective manager would surely look at us and think "ALL THAT and ٣-6M a year? Wake me up !".

It's a complete no-brainer for a top manager. Just because they are at a decent club with a decent squad is absolutely no guarantee that, even 12 months from now, their stock will still be in the ascendant.

Everton have a an unrefusable opportunity to any manager with real hunger. That, of necessity, rules out the cautious brigade, thank god.

Oscar Huglin
31 Posted 30/05/2016 at 11:24:43
So encouraging if true.
Colin Glassar
32 Posted 30/05/2016 at 11:42:39
It would appear that Koeman, Emery, Pellegrini and FDB (in that order) are the short list. Like I've said previously, I'll be happy with any of them.
Mike Allison
33 Posted 30/05/2016 at 11:46:12
Terry there's more to the status of a football club than the most recent league positions.

All this 'why would he come?' Is getting on my nerves. Leave it to fans of other clubs to belittle us, we don't need to do it ourselves. We're the best club in the world (biased) and bigger and better than Southampton (objectively true on pretty much any measure). Two years of bad management doesn't change that.

The only reason Koeman wouldn't come is if he felt he was in line for one of Europe's big, Champions League regulars in a years time, not because Southampton is a bigger draw than Everton.

Damian Wilde
34 Posted 30/05/2016 at 11:54:07
Those banging on about Moyes coming back. He was interviewed a while ago, if he was the chosen one, he'd have been appointed by now, for goodness sake.

I'd love Emery. Not totally convinced about Koeman.

Why do people seem to think we're getting Dein? What, because someone 'ITK' on twitter said so? Okay:

I have had it on very good authority from a source who is always spot on and is 'ITK' that we are to sign Messi, Higuain and De Gea are sugning hext week"

Do you believe me?

I see Higuain has been linked with the RS. As it! He's netted 36 in 35 and cost Roma £35M. They quoted £45M, surely given Rom's price, that's a joke?

Ian Burns
35 Posted 30/05/2016 at 11:56:42
Mike - 29 - if only. You ruined it by your reference to the Daily Star - I was believing you for a moment!
Mark Lewis
36 Posted 30/05/2016 at 11:56:44
After seeing Moyes cuddled up to Bill at the fight last night, I have stuck £10 on Moyes being the new manager (not that I want him).
Nick Entwistle
37 Posted 30/05/2016 at 11:57:00
Honestly, why would Koeman leave Southampton for us? The 'small club', 'big club' history has little at play in the modern game, it's all about set-up. Villa and Newcastle relegated, Leicester win the Premier League.
Phil Jeffries
38 Posted 30/05/2016 at 12:11:38
When it is finally announced, any one of Koeman, Emery, Pellegrini or De Boer would be an excellent appointment and the fans would be behind the manager 100%. Truth is we haven't got a clue who has/hasn't been approached.

Every chance Emery wanted to wait for the end of the Champions League Final, as he was being touted to take over from Zidane if they lost the final.

So, for all of our rants about 'typical Everton' taking so long, this is actually a show of just how far we have already come under Moshiri. Press are in the dark just as much as us. I can live with that! COYB!

David Fanning
39 Posted 30/05/2016 at 12:11:49
The arguments in the article are all very logical, but the bookies still have Moyes as a more likely candidate than Koeman:

http://www.oddschecker.com/football/football-specials/Everton/next-permanent-manager

Maybe, if the pursuit of all of the others fails, Moyes will still be there waiting. If Koeman has a year left on his contract at Saints, he will be cheaper in a year. In the meantime, Moyes may come in on a temporary basis, to assess the damage and prepare the ground for the next man, much like he did at Man Utd LOL.

Phil Walling
40 Posted 30/05/2016 at 12:18:49
Perhaps Moyes is to be the rumoured Director of Football as a sop to BK?
Laurie Hartley
41 Posted 30/05/2016 at 12:20:16
Phil # 20 - you have had a bet haven't you.

My spin on it is that the longer it goes the more I am convinced that we are in for a big, very pleasant surprise.

Colin Glassar
42 Posted 30/05/2016 at 12:24:06
Phil, if that's the case, why doesn't BK name him as his PA? That way he can keep him close without doing any damage.
Tony Draper
43 Posted 30/05/2016 at 12:26:34
Phil W @40.
I suspect that you are bang on there mate, and my heart sinks at the very thought.
Liam Reilly
44 Posted 30/05/2016 at 12:29:51
Bobby and Colin.
Why would Dein have to move north?

If the changes being proposed are true and the Waterfront for example is a possibility; I'd suspect a role such as Dein's would necessitate a large amount of hands on, certainly over the interim negotiation, and due diligence period.

Now it may be that he could commute when required; but again at 72, I doubt he'd have the appetite. I could be and hope I'm wrong but I'd be surprised if this happens.

Barry Lambert
45 Posted 30/05/2016 at 12:30:49
Jorge Mendez, You may say why would Koeman want to come to Everton? Why would Emery want to come to Everton?

Consider this scenario: Moshiri employs the services of Jorge Mendez one of the most persuasive men in football to get his man. There is only one thing on his agenda and that is his commission which will be massive.

The super salesman gets the chance to sit in front of the targets agents. If the targets agents are as greedy as Mendez (no-brainer) then the potential commission to these vultures is significantly more than they are likely to get by their client staying put.

Where money talks, never say never.

Patrick Murphy
46 Posted 30/05/2016 at 12:39:45
Paul Joyce just made me laugh out loud when viewing the managers who could join Everton he said "Study each in isolation however, and the reason why the process in pinpointing Roberto Martinez's successor remains ongoing becomes clear. There is no longer any Jose Mourinho, no Guardiola or Klopp."

Why do these reporters so often shoe-horn our neighbours into an Everton story? It's no wonder many Evertonians have an inferiority complex when it comes to those from over the park. We should all take leaf out of Tony Bellew's book and stick two fingers up to what happens on the other side of the park and stop belittling our own club almost as often as the RS and the media do.

As for the link with David Dein, the Arsenal news website has the following: "Former Arsenal chief David Dein is being linked with a sensational move to Everton. The Daily Star Sunday says former Arsenal vice-chairman Dein has been sounded out about a boardroom role at Goodison Park. Dein helped introduce Farhad Moshiri to Everton chairman Bill Kenwright and has continued to advise the pair. Everton are currently seeking a new manager."

The post Ex-Arsenal chief Dein linked with sensational Everton move appeared first on ArsenalSpy.

Gavin Johnson
47 Posted 30/05/2016 at 12:45:18
David Moyes sitting next to Bill last night at the fight beaming like that cat that got the cream doesn't bode well.

We can target whoever we want, but we have a history of appearing to aim high before settling for the tried and tested, HK Mk 3.

Common sense would say David Moyes won't be back... but since when has Bill had any?!?

Tony McNulty
48 Posted 30/05/2016 at 13:20:48
Winding the clock back seven years, it might have been interesting to have seen what Moyes could have done with a bit of money.

That old double decker has long since left the station.

Mike McLoughlin
49 Posted 30/05/2016 at 13:21:30
I think if they are not giving up on the likes of Koeman or Emery then we should be going for broke with Simione. I doubt Simione is on ٤ mill a year at Athletico but I would push a lot more at him to bring him to Goodison. Now that would be serious intent.

Give him a war chest of 𧵎 million plus what he gets for Lukaku and Stones. Link his new purchases up with the rest of the lads (those who are left after the clear out) mix in the youngsters. What a team we could be eh people.

Phil Walling
50 Posted 30/05/2016 at 13:29:16
We are led to believe that up to now, BK has done all the negotiating re players in and out as well as generally overseeing other football matters. Perhaps he is no longer up to it so is looking to his 'blood brother' to take over the role.

If so, I would hope that any manager appointed watches his back because OFFM as DoF will be looking for any opportunity to return to his old job.

That, I suspect, is the scenario Kenwright negotiated when he finally agreed to sack Martinez.

Dave Pritchard
51 Posted 30/05/2016 at 13:44:21
Mike 49, I would love it to be Simeone. Seems unlikely but then again if we offer him enough dosh then nothing can be ruled out.
Ed Fitzgerald
52 Posted 30/05/2016 at 13:55:07
Tony @ 42

There is no need to go back seven year just go back three and look at his recruitment strategy at Man Utd, he was bloody clueless and couldn't attract anyone of quality.

We need a manager who players want to play for and for Moshiri being able to decide who he wants. Time for Kenwright to get out of the way for good.

Peter Cummings
53 Posted 30/05/2016 at 14:02:35
As has always been the case with Everton the fans only hear rumour after rumour with no definite or concrete statements as to who what or where, from the ivory tower.

For instance have any of the names being bandied about been interviewed, or even approached, since Martinezwas sacked?? We all know the answer to that one, a firm 'Mind your own bleeding business you're only a supporter'.

Not only does the club need a shake up at the top they badly need to address their attitude to public relations, which at present are virtually non-existent, as far as the best fans in the game are concerned.

Damian Wilde
54 Posted 30/05/2016 at 14:03:19
Talksport: "Why would Everton not look at Bruce?"

Disbelief.

Patrick Murphy
55 Posted 30/05/2016 at 14:09:37
Damien (54) Don't forget that Bruce has ties with United and more importantly Wigan!
Phil Walling
56 Posted 30/05/2016 at 14:11:25
Bruce is going to Villa. I tipped that on Saturday when you could get 25-1 !
Kieran Kinsella
57 Posted 30/05/2016 at 14:11:38
If it's going to take a 200 percent pay raise to get Koeman to consider Everton than he's a mercenary of dubious character, the kind of guy who'd do a professional foul on an England player and not get sent off. So bollocks to him.

It does seem as if we've got mixed signals coming from Goodison Park. Kenwright interviewed Moyes, he had him as his guest last night – meanwhile, the press say Moshiri is focusing on different targets.

James Marshall
58 Posted 30/05/2016 at 14:20:57
I don't want Koeman, purely because he clearly doesn't want the job, and would only come here for huge amounts of money. What would his motivation be to succeed other than cash?

Emery – another Spanish manager? Nah, not for me – been there, done that.

I'll be happy with de Boer or Pellegrini myself.

If it's Moyes, I'm giving up entirely.

Alan J Thompson
59 Posted 30/05/2016 at 14:26:13
Neither of these two are my first choice but that will matter not when an appointment is made but what it does show, if there is any truth in this report, is that whoever has the task has the balls.
Kieran Kinsella
60 Posted 30/05/2016 at 14:27:14
If "Richard Dodd" reappoints Moyes then we are going to have a Gary Megson WBA situation. 20,000 or 30,000 empty seats, boring football, modest results.
Paul Kelly
61 Posted 30/05/2016 at 14:37:11
Phil Walling, you're a betting man. Are you really that confident that Moyes will return? (By the way I love your contributions, stuck to your guns with Coco when the rest of us had a man crush... Anyway, back to the matter at hand.)

If TGT becomes our manager, I will personally fly to Cyprus and buy you a drink or twenty, night out, meze, a night at that brothel with the pool table outside a further bit down (I think) from the Railway Inn in Chloreka.

Your choice, what can you offer in return?

On our managerial position, I would favour Emery by the way.

David Hallwood
62 Posted 30/05/2016 at 14:43:14
Mind you, if Moyes does make a comeback with all that money, he'll be able to upgrade the knife to a sabre at least.

Post Leicester, the Moyes's of the world have run out of excuses. Personally, I'm getting bored with the speculation but anyone but Moyes.

Mike Allison
63 Posted 30/05/2016 at 14:48:24
Mike (49) if we've got £150M we build a stadium, not spunk it up the wall on mercenaries we don't need.

Spending money is simply not a guarantee of success, good coaching, team work, fitness and a strong winning mentality are what make the difference.

We need 2/3 players at most, any more would bloat the squad and deny game time to some promising youngsters. Selling Rom and/or Stones changes this but also brings in a lot of money.

Jay Harris
64 Posted 30/05/2016 at 14:50:09
It is also being reported that Moshiri was in Milan at the weekend sounding out Simeone and Mancini to test the water.
Frank Crewe
65 Posted 30/05/2016 at 14:53:41
"And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?"

If we had a successful manager and other clubs were trying to poach him we would be outraged and this forum would be full of posts expressing said outrage. Yet here we are shamelessly trying to poach another clubs manager.

Football supporters, and I include myself, are such hypocrites..

@Peter53

Everton are not alone in not giving out the sort of information you want. No club does. All clubs tell the fans what they want them to know when they want them to know it and not before.


Paul Kossoff
66 Posted 30/05/2016 at 14:55:42
I'm not yet buying into this dream scenario of a top manager like Koeman or Emery coming in, and a super stadium at the docks, it's all a dream surrounded by a smoke screen and like all dreams you have to wake up from them, and when the smoke clears what do you see? Kenwright, smiling with his arm round our new manager David Moyes.

All Evertonians are long used to disappointments, just like Christmas when you wanted a train set and got something else you didn't want, well our next manager is going to be uncle Bill's Christmas present to us, someone we don't want.

Paul Black
67 Posted 30/05/2016 at 14:59:05
Can't we have an In/Out poll about Moyes here?

If there are any legs in the rumours about him coming back, wouldn't it be a clear message we don't want him to whoever those are who will decide?

Paul Kossoff
68 Posted 30/05/2016 at 15:03:26
Frank 65, Everyone therefore who hears these words of mine, and does them, I will liken him to a wise man, who built his house on a rock. The rain came down, the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat on that house; and it didn't fall, for it was founded on the rock.

Everyone who hears these words of mine, and doesn't do them will be like a foolish man, who built his house on the sand. The rain came down, the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat on that house; and it fell — and great was its fall.

Paul Kossoff
69 Posted 30/05/2016 at 15:08:18
Paul 67, I asked for an open letter to Kenwright, telling him in no uncertain terms that we don't want Moyes back. I don't know if it's too late for that but I feel it is.
Damian Wilde
70 Posted 30/05/2016 at 15:24:47
Patrick, maybe he may come in a triple dreamteam with Martinez & Moyes! :D

You're one of several, but the spelling of my name is there! :D

"If it's Moyes, I'm giving up entirely."

With you James!

Paul K, why is Koeman 'a top manager'?

Paul Kossoff
71 Posted 30/05/2016 at 15:27:16
Mike (#63),

Even Jags said there's a possibility of 10 players leaving this Summer, I think we need more than two or three in, Stones, Lukaku, Osman, Hibbert, Pienaar, Howard, McGeady, Kone, will be sold, let go or retire.

We need a complete revamp of our squad with players who want to achieve success, not just another contract. We have the cash now to compete, let's hope we have the owners and a new manager who want the same.

Paul Kossoff
72 Posted 30/05/2016 at 15:31:44
Damian, you are right about Koeman but apparently our owners rate him as such, I actually don't, I think he is overrated but a step up from Moyes and Martinez.

Who is your choice?

Matt Muzi
73 Posted 30/05/2016 at 15:41:03
I'm wondering, dare I say it..... are they looking at Moyes as a director of football? please NOOOO!

Or there's the other alternative, if they can't get the manager they want, they put Moyes in on a 12 month deal? Again NOOOO!

Personally I am hoping that they, (by they I mean Moshiri) are taking their time talking to a lot of people before getting the right person in place.

One thing I feel is very encouraging is talk of David Dein coming into the club, I'd be very happy with that.

Jay Wood
74 Posted 30/05/2016 at 15:51:03
Someone asked about Simeone's salary.

According to this link he signed a new contract at £4.4m pa in March 2015, valid until 2020.

Link

Isn't that equivalent to what we were paying Moyes in his final years...?

Money talks...

Paul Kossoff
75 Posted 30/05/2016 at 15:53:51
Matt 73, Everton can't afford to take their time to appoint a new manager, if we do that we will end up with Moyes.

Moshiri can't talk to anyone who is under contract, he has to approach the club for permission, then the agent, the only candidates we have spoken to are free agents, Pellegrini and Moyes and I don't want either of them.

Paul Black
76 Posted 30/05/2016 at 16:00:10
Paul K (#67),

I don't think it's too late at all Paul, just unnecessary as I don't believe jack shit about him coming back. To what? An unforgiving bunch of people who see him as a traitor? And what about Mosh? Surely he's been with us long enough to understand he ain't welcome and if he was such a fan of both of these perps, why didn't he arrive 3 years ago?

Possibly he wasn't around then but either way, if you want a welcome diversion to keep everyone off the trail, the ginger zooprick would certainly give us all something else to talk about and from what I've seen, it's working a treat) The only truth is we are all as uninformed as each other and if Lauries post is right, we might just be in for a very pleasant surprise. We wait and see.

Any relation by the way? I bought my ticket to go see your namesake at Leicester De Montford hall a short time before he left us and for the record dude, I was devastated....a massive loss for anyone who liked rock and blues...

Matt Garen
77 Posted 30/05/2016 at 16:08:45
It would appear that Moyes would be almost universally detested on ToffeeWeb but why on earth does anyone think BK would give a monkies what anybody else thinks? He will do what ever he wants, whenever he wants and if the 30/40 posters decide to stop going to the games because of it then I'm sure he'll manage.
Tony McNulty
78 Posted 30/05/2016 at 16:15:36
Ed (52)

It's the, "if only I had had some money then, Bill" argument that I think OFFM will be using.

I would be very surprised if he hadn't called Bill and made that point. And Bill might think that he deserves a chance.

I really hope not because we would face another three years or more of excuses and wheel spinning should Davie return.

Michael Polley
79 Posted 30/05/2016 at 16:23:30
I like Moshiri. I think he is a shrewd operator with money to back him up. He wants us to move up to the next level and seems to have the will to pursue this ambition.

I wouldn't worry too much about Kenwright; Moshiri is the main man now. I'm confident we will have a top manager at the helm for next season. An announcement before the Euros would be nice. COYB

Paul Kossoff
80 Posted 30/05/2016 at 16:23:52
Paul (#76), I hope you are right about Moyes not coming back, but we support Everton, don't we?

Relation to Koss, I did ask him at the stadium in Liverpool when I got to go back stage, he said it's possible, he actually let me try his Les Paul when I asked him what's the chord after D in Alright Now, Koss told me it's still D played with a descending C and B notes as in A A D A, he was amazed that I played his guitar upside down as I'm left handed. He said the only one he knew who could do that was Hendrix. I was about 14, 1972 I think.

Lovely lad... such a waste him dying at 25, he died on a plane he shouldn't have been on as he had the heart attack, so medically that's what caused the embolism.

Colin Glassar
81 Posted 30/05/2016 at 16:26:30
Liam 44, Dein would probably come in as an advisor re the stadium and further financial investment. I'm sure he wouldn't have to move to Liverpool to be on top of things as most of the people he will be in contact with live in the centre of the world anyway ie London.
Damian Wilde
82 Posted 30/05/2016 at 16:28:44
Paul K, I agree. I think he would be a better bet then M&M, personally I'd be delighted with Emery, but unfortunately looks like he is staying on at Sevilla, which you couldn't blame him for.
Kieran Kinsella
83 Posted 30/05/2016 at 16:32:17
None of this is new. The press are regurgitating the same rumours from two weeks back
Steve Brown
84 Posted 30/05/2016 at 16:40:18
Honestly, why is everyone obsessing about Moyes? He would only have been interviewed by Moshiri out of courtesy for Kenwright. The chances of him returning in any role are zero.

We can now aim for a top calibre manager and we'll get one because money talks. We are in danger of becoming a properly run, commercially savvy football club if we are not careful.

Alan McGuffog
85 Posted 30/05/2016 at 16:43:10
Sitting here drinking raki on the Turquoise Coast. Distance is wonderful for perspective.

Fellas, I love you all and I truly want your wishes to come true... but whilst the thought of Simeone or similar and a dockside arena makes me increasingly mellow, whilst the present board are in charge, here is my scenario:– a Lego-built cheap-and-cheerful bowl off the East Lancs. Capacity 45,000, but games attracting 35,000. We have a dream team coaching set up of Gary Megson and Ian Holloway. Remember, this is Everton.

Garçon!!!! Efes, por favor!

Richard Dodd
86 Posted 30/05/2016 at 16:45:28
Kieran and others, as I said yesterday, I am not at all keen on Davey coming back but, were he to do so, I am sure he would improve on Roberto's work with the team and soon have us competing for at least the Europa League spot without spending big money.

He was always a shrewd operator in the transfer market and I quite like the suggestion of his taking the Football Director post. I can't believe he was talking to Kenwright only about boxing last night!

Paul Black
87 Posted 30/05/2016 at 16:49:18
Paul K, 80

Small world eh Paul?...and you lucky sod!)))

I hope I'm right too but this is a different time now with different personnel and nobody ever became a self made billion because they got lucky right?

The more I read about Moshiri, the more I begin to believe this guy could be the one that lights the blue fire that's been smouldering for far too long.

My hope... the prophecy that nothing will be the same (ever again) becomes our new reality...

Dick Brady
88 Posted 30/05/2016 at 17:01:04
I think Moyes did a great job when he was in charge of Everton. He improved the club in nearly every department and took a team that had become relegation candidates and turned them into a confirmed Top 7 side that regularly finished best-of-the-rest and looked to worry the Top 4.

That being said, I don't want Moyes back. He had his chance, he had 11 years, I don't think there's anything more he can offer. We need a new manager to take us to a whole new level.

Paul Kossoff
89 Posted 30/05/2016 at 17:11:11
Paul (#87), I'm the original eternal pessimist, if it's going to go wrong it will. I wish I was as confident as you but it's not in my nature. I'm with the, show me the picture and I'll believe it brigade, when manager. we want is holding up the blue shirt then I'll relax.

Remember Paul, it's a heavy load with tons of sobs, and only when it's alright now and we're smiling from our head to our feet, will I believe In the wishing well.

Kieran Kinsella
90 Posted 30/05/2016 at 17:20:09
If we really wanted Koeman, wouldn't we make him an offer before he signs a new deal at Soton? He's hardly likely to turn down a pay raise there in the absence of other options.
Paul Tran
91 Posted 30/05/2016 at 17:30:56
His agent probably knows what we're offering already.

I think the way it'll work is that he 'does the right thing' first by speaking to Southampton, then decides he's either staying with them or will tell the world he 'couldn't resist the lure of a big club like Everton'. And the money.

Southampton are a well-run club, but we've got more potential than they'll ever have. Koeman will do well to remember that only two years ago, Martinez was going to be Arsenal's next manager. Look what happened to him!

Still, best remember that we took four points off them last season. Oooerrr, where's that Spanish phrase book Bill chucked away!

Soren Moyer
92 Posted 30/05/2016 at 17:36:58
I still believe we'll get Simeone.
Duncan McDine
93 Posted 30/05/2016 at 17:41:53
I'm pretty sure we'll have an announcement this week, they've all had enough time to negotiate now, so time to wrap things up.

I have no personal preference so long as its not Moyes. Everton are always good at keeping things secret till the last minute, and there must be 6 or 7 very real contenders.

My gut feeling is that FdB will be the man.

Paul Black
94 Posted 30/05/2016 at 17:57:43
Paul, 89

Ahhh, I see what you did there you little tinker.

You could also say we are all agreed we don't want anymore 'Bad Company' – and I know I'm using a bit of artistic free license there – but when we're all 'travelling in style' the '7 Angels' will appear forcing us gently to all' come together in the morning' and take a massive leap of faith into the old blue 'wishing well' like 'leaves in the wind' and each discover our own 'heavy load' has been well and truly 'fucked off.'

Plus, very much in the same way people who have no idea what Buddhism is, often are the first to tell you what goes around, comes around. Karma. So too with those who say be careful what you wish for, it might just come true. However, a pretty switched on dude once said, thoughts invite events and as electrical impulses seem difficult to just dismiss, I believe him but either way.

Come on Paul, keep your chin up and maybe a bit more positivity will I'm sure make you feel at least a bit better and if you have a bit of a setback, I just think about the last 2 seasons and immediately know it WILL get better.

Mike Keating
95 Posted 30/05/2016 at 18:01:44
Mike @ 63 – I actually agree with you and hope that Moshiri and Dein can pull off a move to the waterfront as the first priority.

To my mind the most disappointing aspect of Kenwright's tenure has not been the lack of trophies but the failure to force through the Kings Dock move.

The Bellew fight and so much more besides should have been staged there – a prestigious venue AND a money maker.

Still wouldn't mind Simeone though.

Paul Black
96 Posted 30/05/2016 at 18:10:39
Paul, 89 again...

You know the thing that pisses me off the most?

I just walked into the pub, got a Screech Owl and then a notification on my phone telling me an Iranian billionaire call Mr Farhad Moshiri was the new kid on the block. Soon he was announcing himself as the new adopted member of our family and was going to... well, you know what he said. Anyway the point is, when every Toffee should have been partying like bastards, all we've had is bollox.

Really, really pisses me off.

Damian Wilde
97 Posted 30/05/2016 at 18:22:15
Sorry, have I missed something? People are talking like Dein is already on board.
Paul Kossoff
98 Posted 30/05/2016 at 18:47:36
Paul 94, brilliant. Well let's hope our Mr Big is a Travelin Man, on a Magic Ship as The Hunter, to give a Little Bit of Love to our new manager so we can be Alright Now, then I can be lying in the sunshine Under a Burnin Sky. Peace and be firm. 😇
Tim Locke
99 Posted 30/05/2016 at 18:52:24
The scary think is, Blue Bill has told everyone how to get a job at Everton. Come in and say you'll bring Champions League football to Everton within 4 years.
Paul Black
100 Posted 30/05/2016 at 19:09:29
Paul, 98

I ain't rifling through my CDs Paul, you win)))

What about Marcelo Bielsa?

I heard is name mentioned once at the very beginning and nothing since but why? After what many would describe as a huge overachievement with Chile in the last World Cup, he should at least be considered and when a bunch of 'unhappy' fans went to his home to protest after this great feat, he chased them down the road with a live hand grenade! If there was anyway - or anyone with the will to hang onto donkey touch Lukaku - I reckon even Bielsa would struggle to get his feet untangled but at least he'd be fit enough to run for 90 minutes.

And he'll definitely give the kids their chance....this is my biggest concern really. We need someone who will give them a go and when 20 year old 'potentials' are valued at £40-50M, we could easily see £200M walk out the door for first team footy somewhere else like our biggest rivals.

Get him signed.

Sid Logan
101 Posted 30/05/2016 at 19:13:04
Whatever else happens Moyes must never be allowed to return.

With Moshiri at the helm the likelihood is we're on the verge of being professionally run for the first time in 17 years.

Kenwright should be allowed only to operate like the Beach Boys' father who because he was such a useless prick was given a dummy control desk on which he believed he was influencing their songs - but at least it kept him happy and out the way!

He must not be allowed to do any more damage to our club. This is a Chairman remember who couldn't even get an administrative building built within the Goodison park footprint so we were obliged to make do with the Everton version of Disneyland: the Fan Zone!

Please Bill just stay out of things and let Moshiri and his people do what they're capable of. Anything you meddle with will simply be a fuck up. If Moshiri is left to get on with it I have complete faith that the huge majority of us will end up happy!

Ian Riley
102 Posted 30/05/2016 at 19:25:23
Sid, if Moyes returns, a visit to the doctor may be needed for a lot of people on this forum.
Hardip Singh
103 Posted 30/05/2016 at 19:29:06
I agree with the 'professionally run' comment, with the way that Moshiri has implemented his business, relieving Martinez of his position when he did and with positive new stadium talk, it appears he means business and to do the business when necessary.

He must be aiming for the elite, it is a long shot, but Simeone has to be the first call, the guy will contest every throw in, just what we need, some endeavour and passion.

Decent enough squad, solid 3 year plan, possible new stadium, funds, pitted against top class managers, anyone looking for a Premier League challenge must be interested.

Aim for the best to signal the intentions. If Benitez ended up in the Championship with Newcastle from Madrid, what is so inconceivable about Simeone at Everton, especially if Moshiri is seriously aiming to put a marker on the map.

Terence Tyler
104 Posted 30/05/2016 at 19:29:12
Stubbs off to Rotheram. Maybe Moyes will sod off up to Hibbs to stop us all worrying.
Craig Harrison
105 Posted 30/05/2016 at 19:30:42
Is it possible that our next manager is currently preparing for the Euros and as such wont be announced until after then?
Paul Black
106 Posted 30/05/2016 at 19:34:27
Hello Sid Logan, 101

Don't worry, I reckon the only reason Kenwright is still there is to show Moshiri where the toilets are and who to contact if he wants a sandwich. After that, I'm pretty sure he'll buy him out. He's a self-made billionaire, he's heard all the bullshit before. His time is up.

And the press don't exactly help do they? All this talk about Kenwright being at the Bellew fight with Moyes so it must mean he's coming back... however, there doesn't seem to be much said about Moshiri being there for the Champions League Final and just in time to hear Simeone saying he needs time to think about his future.

Until somethings announced, it's all just entertainment Sid.

Brian Hill
107 Posted 30/05/2016 at 19:37:47
Jay Wood @74, to continue the musical theme, which I know you did not introduce, but feel confident that you will get the reference: Money doesn't talk, it swears.
Mike Allison
108 Posted 30/05/2016 at 19:39:32
Paul (71) most of them are players we don't want and rarely played anyway. They don't all need replacing.
Colin Glassar
109 Posted 30/05/2016 at 19:41:32
With each passing day, I become more and more convinced it will be Pellegrini on a short-term deal. Two years to get us into Europe and hand over to a Simeone or Ancellotti.
Sid Logan
110 Posted 30/05/2016 at 19:52:51
Paul (#106),

I hope, and to be honest, believe you are right. But when it all happens for the good – I'll be happy!

Paul Black
111 Posted 30/05/2016 at 19:53:19
Colin, 109

I could live with that Colin but I still fancy Marcelo 'Hand Grenade' Bielsa after 12 months of Pellegrini... I think 2 years maybe too long for the kids to wait but with his style of play and a very healthy attitude when it comes to giving the kids a chance, who knows what could happen? Too risky?

Like I, said to Paul Kossoff, when not even 20-year-old 'potentials' are valued at 㿞M these days, the last we want is to see 𧶀M worth of them want out due lack of first team opportunities.

John Graham
112 Posted 30/05/2016 at 19:56:53
Hopefully we should hear some news soon as whoever comes in will have to get working on getting his own players in. Either of these two look the part and maybe De Boer too. Don't think any apart from these is good enough apart from Simeone but dreams like that very rarely happen.

If we can get someone before the European Championships they can get settled in while all the newspaper talk is about the competition. Going to be an exciting season all around by the look of it with all of the changes.

COYB

Colin Glassar
113 Posted 30/05/2016 at 19:58:33
I think Pellegrini has the stature to convince our unhappy duo to give him a season at least. He has won things and has worked with some of the worlds best players.

He will build the foundations for a younger, hungrier manager to take over. This is a transitional period for us, and he's perfect for the role.

Andy Walker
114 Posted 30/05/2016 at 20:02:07
I'm with you Colin. Pellegrini has the gravitas needed to get a grip of the dressing room and start to repair the damage done by the previous muppet.

I also like his style, a decent honourable man I reckon. Totally devoid of bullshit, which would be a pleasant change.

Dennis Ng
115 Posted 30/05/2016 at 20:04:48
Colin 113, he can soothe the mood but I doubt he can make them hungrier. It takes a lot of passion and drive and I don't see that from him. Maybe it is City that is the problem but I would prefer throwing more money at Emery than take a known short term solution.

Jay 74, yes, that's what I read as well, so it's hard for us to top that with the current setup. We could offer him "grow alongside him" but that's it. Money is not the argument we can use in his case. If for any reason he comes though, he would easily have the entire fanbase singing his name.

Paul Black
116 Posted 30/05/2016 at 20:05:37
Sid 110

We'll all be happy Sid and it's not far away now so don't fret.

You know, I wouldn't be surprised if we get someone who isn't even on the list (including unwanted ginger bug infestations that are rumoured to be).

It's all good in the 'hood baby... it's all good...

Sid Logan
117 Posted 30/05/2016 at 20:11:51
Colin/Andy,

You're right about Pellegrini but if it is to be him I would like to see him working with a younger more energetic coach.

In other words if he's masterminding things that would be great but I would like more energy not in the least on the touch line.

Patience is the watchword!

Paul Black
118 Posted 30/05/2016 at 20:13:52
Sid 110 again...sorry that was supposed to say, 'excluding unwanted ginger....'

EEK!

Colin Glassar
119 Posted 30/05/2016 at 20:14:18
The problem Dennis is, we can't wait forever for Emery or Koeman to decide. Pellegrini is available, apparently interested and he knows us and the league. In other words, he's ready made.

To be honest, I would personally prefer someone like Simeone or Emery eg a high energy, highly demanding manager but I have no problem with Manuel's more laid back style. The man is a winner and that's what counts.

Sid Logan
120 Posted 30/05/2016 at 20:16:48
Ok Paul - got it!
Colin Glassar
121 Posted 30/05/2016 at 20:20:23
Sid, I totally agree and I wouldn't mind seeing Unsy as his asst. manager. That way we have an Evertonian on the touch line, who will promote the kids, and sort out the defence.

As for Manuel's style, he has often said he prepares his teams during the week and before the game but once they go onto the pitch it's up to them to follow the game plan.

Paul Black
122 Posted 30/05/2016 at 20:29:09
Sid, 120

Sorry if I offended you Sid.

Jay Harris
123 Posted 30/05/2016 at 20:31:48
Col
That is exactly why I do not think Pellegrini would be a good fit.

Players especially young players need cajoling during a game and with the high tempo of the Premier League when players are flagging a bit towards the end they need encouragement.

Pellegrini is far too laid back for me.

We need a high-energy animated demanding manager to whip this lot into shape.

I think we need to go balls out for Simeone (likely to fail but we could try), Emery (who might want to test himself against the top managers in the world) and Koeman.

Surely one of them could be seduced to the job especially by their greedy agents who have a lot to gain financially.

Sid Logan
124 Posted 30/05/2016 at 20:36:09
Colin,

I hear that about Pellegrini but there are times in games when a team might need a massive kick up the arse and there were times last season when I wasn't sure Pellegrini was animated enough to get a reaction! I'll still support him strongly feel he comes!

Paul, absolutely no offence taken – I'm with you all the way!

Damian Wilde
125 Posted 30/05/2016 at 20:38:37
Pellegrini. Spoke to my City ST mate. His text:

"Top bloke, some of the football we played in the 1st season was the best I've ever seen. But not very good at organising a defence. Not convinced about most of the purchases he made, but I don't think he signed them. Sometimes a little tactically naive, not the manager to follow Martinez. You need someone to add backbone to the team, he doesn't do that, too nice a guy."

A no for me. Plus he's a dour fella.

Tony Draper
126 Posted 30/05/2016 at 20:41:21
Hardip @103.
That, my Blue brother is a bloody solid posting.

Your concluding comments are particularly Bellew~esque.

Colin Glassar
127 Posted 30/05/2016 at 20:44:15
Just read an interview with Pellegrini in the Manchester Evening News where he said his biggest mistake was announcing (his decision) the Guardiola deal. Man City, at the time, were 3 points behind Leicester and they completely fell away as the players lost focus.

Before anyone jumps in to kill him, Fergie did the same thing a few years ago. That season went so badly for Man Utd that Fergie changed his mind and stayed on for another two (?) years until he won the Premier League again.

I'm not making excuses here. His CV is there for all to see. Some will like him, some won't, that's the beauty of the game. And I agree, Sid, there are times when a manager needs to go ballistic but everyone has their own style, I guess.

Martin Mason
128 Posted 30/05/2016 at 20:45:46
Pellegrini is an old man. We need a young head coach.
Colin Glassar
129 Posted 30/05/2016 at 20:48:54
We've just sacked one, Martin. Are you suggesting an even younger one?
Ian Burns
130 Posted 30/05/2016 at 20:57:26
Maybe the way to go is Pellegrini with experience; Unsy giving it some on the touchline. I could live with that – although in Simoene we would get both experience and animated touchline "encouragement".
Tony Draper
131 Posted 30/05/2016 at 21:04:50
The way forward is for us fans to quit being kittens.

Everton FC sits at a nexus........
1) Onward and upward?
2) Grateful and stable?

Well clearly option #2 has worked a fucking treat since 1995 hasn't it?

No more arse licking!

Sid Logan
132 Posted 30/05/2016 at 21:12:27
Ian,

I'm sorry but you can't promote Unsy to first team coach.

Whoever we get has to have proved himself more. This is to some degree the old Duncan Ferguson argument.

That's not to say Unsworth won't go on to become a first class Manager/Coach but, at this time in our history, we need to have (as far as possible) proven credentials.

I simply couldn't stand another 17 years of winning nothing. We have to go for the best we can get!

Those who don't think that maybe have more time ahead of them than the rest of us!

Martin Nicholls
133 Posted 30/05/2016 at 21:30:09
My preference remains Emery but I would not confidently predict we'll appoint him. For all you harbingers of doom (led as usual by EFC's answer to Private Fraser, Phil Walling) if you were as positive as you gleefully predict, why don't you put all your money were your mouths are are by backing Moyes at the 6-1 still on offer? No (and with apologies to Mark #36), I thought not! Mark #36 – why not back Jenny Seagrove on same basis?

Phil W – I might be wrong but think your "A False Dawn" piece of 28/4/16 will be back to haunt you. I can see that you're desperate for Moyes to return so that you can say "I told you so". A strange way to support our Club!

John Francis
134 Posted 30/05/2016 at 21:43:46
Uh oh its kicking off guys. Monchi has just resigned from Sevilla. Expect Emery to follow.

This looks like the start of something.

Sam Hoare
135 Posted 30/05/2016 at 21:44:36
I would be relatively happy with Pellegrini and Unsworth as his assistant. Manuel has enough experience for the both of them but Unsy has the passion, the connection, knows the youngsters and possibly knows better how to organise a defence (the U21s had one of the best defences in their league last year).

Would still prefer Emery or Simeone (i'm joining the dreamers) but lets see how the cards fall....

Damian Wilde
136 Posted 30/05/2016 at 21:48:23
Just got texted that Pellegrini to be announced. Probably rubbish, I've seen 'on good authority' far too many times.
Joe O'Brien
137 Posted 30/05/2016 at 21:54:27
Is Pellegrini happening? Or is this still only rumoured? Might be a wise move since we are in a transitional period.
Colin Glassar
138 Posted 30/05/2016 at 21:58:27
Who's Monchi, John?
Iain Latchford
139 Posted 30/05/2016 at 21:58:37
Monchi is/was the director of football at Sevilla, yes?
Mike Hughes
140 Posted 30/05/2016 at 22:01:14
Richard #86

I am not at all keen on Davey coming back but, were he to do so, I am sure he would improve on Roberto's work with the team and soon have us competing for at least the Europa League spot without spending big money.

Point 1 – improve on Roberto's work? How difficult would that be? As difficult as being safer around children compared to Jimmy Savile?

Point 2 – soon have us competing for the Europa League without spending big money? That sounds more like a threat than an opportunity.

Sid Logan
141 Posted 30/05/2016 at 22:02:53
My last word on the matter is this: I have complete faith in Moshiri to do the right thing. He is far more professional than all who've gone before – with the exception of John Moores.

I'm going to 'hold fast' and wait!


Iain Latchford
142 Posted 30/05/2016 at 22:03:05
He's described as the mastermind behind Sevilla's success. He's been there since 2000. Reports saying he's leaving the club. Interesting given the rumours Moshiri is keen on a Director of Football.
Colin Glassar
143 Posted 30/05/2016 at 22:05:24
Cheers Iain. Joe, just lots of rumours saying he will be offered a two-year deal (an extra year optional) and he will hold further talks with Moshiri this week. Like I said, rumours.
Colin Glassar
144 Posted 30/05/2016 at 22:10:55
Ramon Rodriguez Verdejo alias Monchi. He was the one who set up the academy in Seville, after they were relegated, which produced players like Reyes and Navas. He also set up a world wide network (700 scouts) who discovered players like David Villa, Julio Baptista, Keita and Rakitic.

Sounds very interesting.

Nick Page
145 Posted 30/05/2016 at 22:14:28
Monchi would be the signing of the century. He has made a fortune for Sevilla. Bringing Emery in with this guy would be an absolute dream. If we don't someone will and do very well by it.
Iain Latchford
146 Posted 30/05/2016 at 22:15:34
I doubt he's retiring, so he's obviously going somewhere, just a case of where that is?
Iain Latchford
147 Posted 30/05/2016 at 22:17:48
I read Emery has a net spend of minus £140m at Sevilla. Done pretty well considering.
John Francis
148 Posted 30/05/2016 at 22:22:24
Emery and Monchi tied at the hip by all accounts. This could be a goer.

Sounds much more exciting than Pelligrini in my opinion. Could be a very interesting 24 hours ahead.

Kieran Kinsella
149 Posted 30/05/2016 at 22:23:37
Could get confusing with Monchi, Monshiri, Monster Munch...
John Francis
150 Posted 30/05/2016 at 22:28:05
Rumoured Monchi link to Man Utd... Aaw, why do I build myself up?
Chris Wilson
151 Posted 30/05/2016 at 22:29:11
A question I've had at the back of my mind is what would happen with our academy set up if say an Emery or a De Boer take over? Do we lose Sheedy and Unsworth for the new manager's preferred people?

I don't know why, but I don't think Pellegrini or Koeman would change the academy staff that much or at all, but Emery and De Boer may have a vision they want to implement.

Colin Glassar
152 Posted 30/05/2016 at 22:30:04
Better than (Manc accent) Moyesay, Kieran.

John, I'm glad people are starting to see the value of a top DoF. This would be a dream team but, sadly, I can't see it happening.

Bobby Thomas
153 Posted 30/05/2016 at 22:35:48
A decent interview with Pellegrini:

https://www.theguardian.com/football/
2016/may/30/manual-pellegrini-manchester-city-exclusive-interviewn interesting interview with Pellegrini:

Mike Allison
154 Posted 30/05/2016 at 22:51:35
I wouldn't have thought so, Chris. Most foreign managers don't expect to bring 5-7 coaching staff with them. I'd think it's more likely they'd want to utilise the knowledge and experience of the current staff, especially in the academy and development system.
Colin Metcalfe
155 Posted 30/05/2016 at 22:52:57
Just been speaking to my mate in Barcelona who works as sports journalist and yes apparently its true that Monchi has left Sevilla and the "rumor" is that there was a disagreement about bonuses on transfers... But he dismisses he has been poached either by us or Man Utd.
Damian Wilde
156 Posted 30/05/2016 at 23:03:01
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/may/30/manual-pellegrini-manchester-city-exclusive-interview

Looks like he will be our new boss. What do people make of him?

Raymond Fox
157 Posted 30/05/2016 at 23:12:16
As a matter of interest the betting for the league makes us likely to finish 10th.
There are 9 teams at a shorter price than we are.

That's the reality guys, anyone for top 4, top 6 predictions?

Kieran Kinsella
158 Posted 30/05/2016 at 23:32:50
Moyes now has shorter odds on being our next manager than Koeman. He is closing fast on Pellegrini and Emery too.
Simon Bates
159 Posted 30/05/2016 at 23:38:22
Tom Power is emailing through NSNO, Pellegrini is about to sign a 2-year contract, with a view to a 3rd year.

Maybe stabilising and establishing ourselves as consistent European competitors,whilst the stadium gets built?

Then we are in a position to attract the elite – remember after Pellegrini came Pep for Citeh....

Joe O'Brien
160 Posted 30/05/2016 at 23:42:33
Keiran, it's not going to happen. Bookies just seeing Ginger at the fight last night with Kenwright and trying to get punters to put their money on. Moyes will never get the job because we've got an owner now who's got vision besides having an owner who hasn't got the club's best interests at heart.

He obviously wants Moyes back and didn't want to sack Martinez. Those two examples have really shown us what's he all about. The sooner that false blue leaves the club, entirely the better...

Mike Keating
161 Posted 30/05/2016 at 23:51:27
Sam Hoare @ 135 - the dream is on, the groundswell unstoppable, the media now hooked.

Simeone it is. And a waterfront stadium.

And Lukaku to go fuck himself in public.
COYB

Mike Hughes
162 Posted 30/05/2016 at 23:55:00
Raymond #157

"That's the reality (finishing 10th)" – based on what the bookies say?

I mean, this time last year they really hit the nail on the head with Leicester at 5000/1 didn't they?

Jim Lloyd
164 Posted 31/05/2016 at 00:16:34
It was an "interesting" comment that was included in Pellegrini's statement. He would think of retiring if he couldn't land an "interesting" job.

Just a possibility that he has been offered a role at EFC. I wouldn't mind if he was given the job of guiding Unsy. He might not want the role of Manager any more but with him and Joe Royle to provide insights in all aspects of Managership, it might work.

It would certainly provide continuity within the Under-21 and Under-18 set ups and I think there's no doubt Unsy has the passion.

Yep, if one of the first choice (supposedly) took the job, I'd be made up that we had attracted a good, winning manager, but if they don't take it, Unsy could prove to be a really good manager.

Karl Masters
165 Posted 31/05/2016 at 00:36:05
Whilst I hate to involve our red neighbours in any of this, I never, ever want to see another spineless display against them, especially at Anfield.

So when I think of Emery and the way his team took them apart a couple of weeks ago, and then compare it to Man City getting overrun against Liverpool twice in the League last season, it's got to be Emery over Pellegrini for me. Or either of the Dutch duo.

Jay Wood
166 Posted 31/05/2016 at 00:42:24
Raymond @ 157

"... the betting for the league makes us likely to finish 10th."

Probably the wrong time to remind you how you backed away from a playful bet around Xmas when Everton were 11th and you were confidently bigging up Martinez and the team to make top 6, eh Raymond..?

Far too early a book to call odds with the club still without a manager and not knowing the make up of the squad for next season.

Dennis Ng
167 Posted 31/05/2016 at 01:18:01
Colin 119, I agree with that but I don't think the wait is because the managers can't decide. The timing of their last games, the negotiations, all these take some time. Heck, if you quit your job for another, you need to give notice. So I think the wait is still within healthy limits. I might start worrying if nothing comes out by next weekend. For all we know, Moshiri might be talking to Simeone LOL

I think of the wait very positively because it means we're not just getting whoever is available, e.g. FdB and Koeman. Surely a few days and the rumors of Monchi leaving would mean Emery will make up his mind soon. Perhaps both of them here next season? Would be a dream team for our rebuild.

Dennis Ng
168 Posted 31/05/2016 at 01:32:20
Kieran 149, we can start a M&M or 3M club. Moshiri and Monchi and eMery. OK, stretching the last one there. Still, news looking better by the day. Hope it all ends the way we want it to be.
David Israel
169 Posted 31/05/2016 at 03:26:40
Craig #105, who do you have in mind? Roy Hodgson or Christopher Patrick Coleman?
Ernie Baywood
170 Posted 31/05/2016 at 04:58:50
Chris Wilson, it was interesting that Leicester made it clear to Ranieri that he was not going to change certain staff and elements of the way the team operated (eg physio stuff).

I'd definitely like to see that with our next appointment. Keep the bits that work, the rest is up for debate.

In fact I'd love to see our vision decided by someone other than the manager.

Derek Thomas
171 Posted 31/05/2016 at 05:57:14
Ernie (#170); that is going to be one short column on the 'bits that work' side of the ledger... Given we're one of the un-fittest teams in the Premier League and we seem to be 'hammy central'.

I can't see it containing any of the staff brought in from Wigan and not many of Roberto – I've a certificate in physiotherapy – Martinez's 'yesmen/physios' who replaced most of the Moyes appointments.

Phil Walling
172 Posted 31/05/2016 at 07:44:18
Pellegrini down to 2s with Victor but still available at 11/2 with Betfair. GET ON!
Raymond Fox
173 Posted 31/05/2016 at 08:35:53
Mike (#140), their not looking at the competition through blue tinted glasses that make a difference.

Jay (#178), I 'backed out' as you put it because you offered pathetic odds, I could have had 3 times the price elsewhere. I get your point about being early to judge but the odds are compiled with the possible future factored in. I'm all for optimism but I do wish some would look more logically at what our chances are each season!

I also see that several of the first team have come out and admitted that themselves and other members of the team let Martinez down. Good for them, it would have been easier and better for their futures if they had kept their mouths shut. They also said that all the speculation about what was wrong inside the team and club was a load of cobblers!

Colin Glassar
174 Posted 31/05/2016 at 08:48:57
As nothing concrete seems to be happening, apart from Phil posting his dodgy odds, I will now only check in on TW, NewsNow, twitter etc....on the hour and not every ten minutes as usual.

I hope to be pleasantly surprised at some point this week but, somehow I doubt it.

Nicky Styles
175 Posted 31/05/2016 at 09:20:28
Can we get this sorted before the Euros please! Jesus!
David Midgley
176 Posted 31/05/2016 at 09:34:52
Some very interesting and diverse views.

I personally don't understand why people want a manager for a year or so. If the roof on your house is leaking and rain is coming in good style why throw a plastic sheet over it and say "I'll fix it next year"? Fix it now. Properly. A full-on enthusiastic, lively manager. A Director of Football. Proper commercios.

Get a new fresh team all pulling on the rope together and in the same direction. Pellegrini? OK. Motivator? I bet his players feel as though they were 'savaged by a dead sheep'
Come on Monchi, I've got some olives, chorizo and can do bacalao con tomate. I'll even take you to The Wine Lodge!!!

This long wait is like that Charlton Heston film 'The Agony and the Ecstasy'.

Sam Hoare
177 Posted 31/05/2016 at 09:38:14
The bookies still have it between Pellegrini, FDB and Emery as it has been for the last week. Happy with any of these 3 though Emery my top pick.

Surely we must be getting down to it now. Decisions and offers being made etc.

Will be disappointed if we do not have something in place by the end of the week.

David Midgley
178 Posted 31/05/2016 at 09:43:24
Are these the same bookies that had Leicester odds on to win the title?
John Davies
179 Posted 31/05/2016 at 11:33:26
Just offer Koeman what he wants to come North (salary and player funds) and let's get him in. There is a MASSIVE rebuild needed at Goodison (Hibbert, Ossie, Gibson, Pienaar, Lukaku, Stones, Niasse, Barkley all possibly on the way out – and two new keepers required) so the sooner we get him in the better.

We've got some smashing youngsters that the new man needs to have a look at, so come on Mr Moshiri – gazump Southampton's offer.

Jay Wood
180 Posted 31/05/2016 at 11:50:43
Raymond @ 173

"Jay 178, I 'backed out' as you put it because you offered pathetic odds, I could have had 3 times the price elsewhere."

Errr, Raymond, you have a very poor recall of the proposed bet. It wasn't for personal monetary gain. It was a 'fun bet' as I said earlier, with the loser paying the value of the bet to an Everton related charity.

You backed out on the grounds you repeat here.

Tony Draper
181 Posted 31/05/2016 at 11:58:13
Speculation is ALL that we have.

Not a scrap of evidence, no-one saying "I spoke with Everton, let's see". Some saying that they'd love the chance, or rather Ronald saying that Frank would.

Apart from that? As John Bellushi once said. "So quiet you could hear a mouse getting a hard-on."

Colin Malone
182 Posted 31/05/2016 at 11:58:46
Andre Villas-Boas not in the betting.
Kevin Tully
183 Posted 31/05/2016 at 12:09:18
This process is not just about appointing a new manager. Apparently, we are moving away from the model of Kenwright being our 'Transfer Conductor' to putting a proper structure in place with new scouts, DoF and probably additions to the board itself. All very positive news, especially if we can put the icing on the cake with a big name manager.

I expect all will be revealed before the start of the Euros on June 10th, with some news on the manager possibly even this week. Nothing is off the table concerning any names from what I've read over the past few weeks, which is really encouraging. For the first time in a generation, we are showing some real ambition regarding our future plans for the club and that's not even taking into consideration the new stadium options.

I know a lot of Blues are still unsure about the role of Moshiri and his associates (which is completely understandable after past false dawns) but I personally think he will deliver. We could see some success after 25 years of mediocrity! Bring it on.

Charlie Burnett
184 Posted 31/05/2016 at 13:54:50
Loads of changes are happening at the club... not so much players but staff jobs are being created that weren't there before. It makes you think someone is coming in from outside and introducing how he wants the club to be run.

This is all positive – don't get me wrong – but makes you wonder what has it been like for years for so many changes happening.

David Dein coming on board would be amazing – probably the best bit of dealing we will do this year... this guy hunted out all Arsenal legends, he can spot a player.

Raymond Fox
185 Posted 31/05/2016 at 14:22:39
Jay 180, you're determined to paint me in a bad light, are you not?

Errr... as you like to say, there's nothing wrong with my recall, I never mentioned the top 6 – that was you!

The proposed bet from me was that we would finish in the top 8; it was in fact yourself that 'backed out' when asked to bet on that result. You should have accepted the bet, should you not?

Go back and look at the thread, and please stop bending the facts to suit yourself!

Damian Wilde
186 Posted 31/05/2016 at 16:26:18
Raymond, it's Jay's pastime :D
Jeff Armstrong
187 Posted 31/05/2016 at 17:08:34
Charlie, 184, I'm not sure Dein was Arsenal's scout. He was chairman or CEO, something of that nature.

I can't see him upping sticks at his age, 72. Might be more of an advisory role given his history with Moshiri. No bad thing mind, Arsenal were very well run under his guidance.
Jack Cross
188 Posted 31/05/2016 at 18:06:22
Moyes, Unsworth, Neville, Stubbs and Pellegrini have all been interviewed so far.

Stubbs, now having talks with Rotherham going by Sky Sports. It doesn't have the same appeal or ring to it, does it? Everton-Rotherham.

So it looks like he (Stubbs) knows his future lies further down the leagues. He's done well at Hibernian, winning the cup against Rangers but we are talking Scotish football.

I think Stubbs will be a coach for the future, but I don't think he is quite ready for the Blues now.

John Francis
189 Posted 31/05/2016 at 18:57:57
Jorge Sampaoli anyone?
Terence Tyler
190 Posted 31/05/2016 at 19:50:22
Apparently Emery's buy out fee drops at midnight tonight, from €8 mill to €2 mill euros. Could be significant...
Stephen O'Donnell
191 Posted 31/05/2016 at 19:57:02
Moyesie for me with Tim Cahill as No 2. These so-called foreign managers are just here for a quick buck then move off when it suits them. Moyesie, you're the man.
Damian Wilde
192 Posted 31/05/2016 at 21:21:59
Strphen, I take it you're taking the piss?
Kevin Elliott
193 Posted 31/05/2016 at 21:45:44
Stephen....

Have you forgotten to take your medicine today?

Jay Wood
194 Posted 31/05/2016 at 22:01:48
Raymond @ 185 "Go back and look at the thread"

Ok - will do.Link

Ray 187 As for us being in 11th place at the moment, do you care to have a bet? I'll have we will finish closer to the top than 11th, but only if Martinez is manager.

Jay 193 As for your offer of a bet, that's very vague. What counts as 'closer to the top than 11th?' 10th...? 9th...?

Ray 200 Andy, the proposed bet was in response to Jay 163 post of which part was – are we on course this season to improve on our bottom half finish of 11th last season ? I was a bookie for 40 yesrs, I know Jay would never have bet on that outcome, it was never a bet.

(And, just as an aside, there was this beaut Ray 203: "As far as supporting Martinez is concerned, we will see who is correct when the season's over, wont we." Remind me again how that one worked out for you ... you announced you were 'giving up' on Everton BEFORE the axe fell on RM.)

To continue...

Jay 209 Let's do it. Are you game?

This is what I propose.

Let's bet a pony - £25 - or £50 if you like.

Let's also ensure that neither of us financially gain, but that the loser donates the winnings to a cause related to Everton. I suggest EITC, the Everton ex-players Foundation, or Alder Hey Hospital. Any one is a suitable choice, in my eyes.

Everton are currently 10th with more than half the season to go - 21 games. They are currently 6 points adrift of Palace on 29 points in sixth place.

I'll give you the top 6 places. If Everton finishes in the top six, you win and I cough up to the selected cause.

Anything 7th and below, I win and you cough up the winnings to the charity we agree on.

I'll throw in the rider you mention: for this bet to have legitimacy, Roberto Martinez must still be manager at season's end so it is HIS results the team is judged on, not on those of any possible incoming manager.

So ... are you game or not, Raymond? Are you willing to put your money where your mouth is? Time to put up, or shut up...

Ray 211 Isn't that what you're saying, in your opinion we won't finish higher than 11th? Now they have to finish in the top 6 for me to win my bet – that's called shifting the goalposts, don't you think? Who mentioned top 6?

I'll gladly bet you we finish 8th or higher, how about that?

Jay 214 Pretty disingeneous of you to cut and paste my comments out of context and try and claim I have categorically stated we wont finish higher than 11th this season.

YOU are the one all over TW bigging up Roberto.

YOU are the one claiming to have been a bookie for 40 years.

You might have fleeced some mug punters in all those years. I'm not going to be one of them and allow you a mere improvement of 2 places from our current position to accept the bet.

You can't have THAT much faith in your man if you are not willing to back him to make up a mere 4 places and 6 points (as it currently stands) over the next 21 games.

Aren't you the one telling us that the likes of Leicester, Palace and Watford cannot maintain their lofty position until the end of the season...? That's 3 places of the 4 whittled away right there ... just one more team to overhaul.

Looks like you've taken a step back, run the numbers and seen, for all your claims, an Everton surge up the table ain't gonna happen any time soon.

Typical bookie. Not even willing to risk a mere £25-50 and donate it to a good cause.

****

A fair bit of deflection and indignant huffing and puffing followed from you Ray, but you clearly bottled a reasonable betting proposal whilst continuing to claim Everton were destined to surge up the table before season's end.

For example, 2 months later in February you posted in the match report from the win at Stoke showing how desperate you were to be proven right. It was the only time in FORTY-ONE PL games, spread over 2 seasons under Martinez that Everton managed two consecutive games, but for you...

Link

Ray 116 if theres any chance of keeping this squad together next year we'll be knocking on the top 4 door loudly.

Ray 129 2 wins in a row and we are back in contention, that's how close we've been all along!

Ray 246 we are in contention for top 6.

So, no Ray. Your recall is wrong and I'm not "determined to paint you in a bad light."

You're doing just fine off your own bat on that score.

Garry Corgan
195 Posted 31/05/2016 at 22:12:30
Fucks sake kids. Stop fucking bickering.
Joe O'Brien
196 Posted 31/05/2016 at 22:28:17
And the prize for the longest msg ever goes to...
Damian Wilde
197 Posted 31/05/2016 at 22:55:16
Could anyone be bothered reading that?
Raymond Fox
198 Posted 31/05/2016 at 22:59:07
Garry, you're right, mate. Jay, you're worse than my wife – you always have to have the last snide remark.

Nobody is interested who's effing right are they? Last word from me is that you're doing your usual ploy of cherry-picking bits to suit your argument. We both know who's correct, don't we.

Look at the state of the your last post, you must be short of something useful to do. Please just take your leave, or other words to that effect.

Brian Keenan
199 Posted 31/05/2016 at 23:15:28
There is no list and I think all this news about a new manager is lies.

I think the Chairman of Everton FC will not enclose his options until the 1st June or when all teams break for summer.

I think after the Norwich Game people would not be forgotten. I also think the Chairman's speech of "Every Evertonian gets me and what I am saying" is coming.
Jimmy Wong
200 Posted 01/06/2016 at 19:54:38
Why Koeman of all managers? I know he's been at a few clubs but Southampton blow hot and cold. He isn't doing anything Moyes didn't do and Moyes had no money where as Koeman has plenty.

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