Slovakia 0 - 0 EnglandJohn Stones and Ross Barkley are now the only outfield players not to have seen action for England at Euro2016 as they were left unused on the bench for what ended up being a tediously goalless encounter against Slovakia.
Roy Hodgson made six changes to the team that started against Wales when the line up against Slovakia but neither Everton player made the XI and they were overlooked despite England's toils, particularly in midfield where they lacked the imagination to break down an entrenched opposition defence.
Hodgson's men came into this their final game in Group B knowing that a win would see them through to the knockout stages as group winners but while they do qualify, it's only as runners up to Wales who thumped Russia 3-0 in the other match.
England must now wait to see whom they face from the winner of Group F while Wales will likely go up against one of the third-place finishers.
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1 Posted 20/06/2016 at 06:53:29
2 Posted 20/06/2016 at 07:47:23
I would expect one or both to make an appearance sometime late in the game.
3 Posted 20/06/2016 at 07:50:12
4 Posted 20/06/2016 at 08:03:30
5 Posted 20/06/2016 at 08:18:11
6 Posted 20/06/2016 at 08:27:23
7 Posted 20/06/2016 at 08:59:15
8 Posted 20/06/2016 at 09:09:13
9 Posted 20/06/2016 at 09:10:01
10 Posted 20/06/2016 at 09:10:01
My interpretation of Wise Woy's words was that he could wotate, but that winning the gwoup would see us playing against a third placed team.
So ? I'm expecting Vardy & Stuwwidge to start. As for Wooney being dwopped for Jack Wheelchair or Mild-ner or Boredan Henderson ? Nah.
Perhaps, if we were three up after an hour, well maybe ?
11 Posted 20/06/2016 at 09:17:22
For me, Slovakia are better than Russia & Wales, so lets see Cahill & "Always Mawling" cope with them - he's sure to concede a pen sooner or later, given half-decent refereeing. Ross lucky to be in the squad, in spite of the glaring weaknesses in midfield.
To be fair, Rooney's done well in midfield, but against very slow and limited opposition - the journos should wait until he's tested before crowing like they have been. Llalana's done surprisingly well, don't see it lasting though - the rest are very limited and sicknotes. None of them any where near Croatian, German & Spanish midfields.
If only we could get Modric to EFC!!!
Given a lucky draw, we'll make last 8.
12 Posted 20/06/2016 at 09:18:51
13 Posted 20/06/2016 at 09:30:11
14 Posted 20/06/2016 at 09:36:24
I think Woy sees Wilshere and Henderson as wanking higher than Barkley. Wilshere is pwobably one of the highest wankers in Woys mind ( or at least what passes for a Bwain)
Tony he is pwobably both a twat and a pwick.
15 Posted 20/06/2016 at 09:46:18
Barkley and Stones, although cracking players, have a mistake in them. If one of them made a booboo, the criticism they'd receive would be horrendous. I for one hope they remain on the bench.
16 Posted 20/06/2016 at 10:01:52
Sterling is shite imo but wasnt alone against Wales the whole England team were especially in the first half, I think they will win this one by the odd goal.
17 Posted 20/06/2016 at 11:04:49
I don't think John Stones has a hope in hell appearing at the start of a game in this competition. I don't think Roy wants to take risks at the back, and unfortunately John does take risks. If they come off he's Barcelona bound, if not he's Barnsley bound.
18 Posted 20/06/2016 at 11:06:27
19 Posted 20/06/2016 at 11:12:02
21 Posted 20/06/2016 at 11:25:34
22 Posted 20/06/2016 at 11:25:40
The press are so stupid. I despair at the lack of proper analysis. I imagine when they come up against a good side they will struggle badly. That's when Ross will come on! 3 nil down with 15 minutes left - Hodgson will throw him on.
I don't mind if Ross or John Stones don't play so long as they don't come back with any injuries.
23 Posted 20/06/2016 at 11:37:19
24 Posted 20/06/2016 at 12:07:32
If you're good enough, you're old enough... but if they think you're old, you're just old. What am I missing with this lad?
25 Posted 20/06/2016 at 12:12:24
Same commentators slated France last night for being shite yet haven't pointed out just how piss-poor England are. Like Brazil in the last World Cup, they are waiting to be exposed in the most horrific way imaginable. I recoiled in horror at the very suggestion that the FA keep Roy no matter the results.
But as far as our club is concerned, sorry for the lads themselves if they don't play but we've all noted that at least we won't be associated with the mess when the knockout eventually occurs.
26 Posted 20/06/2016 at 12:13:54
Too many better teams with better managers.
27 Posted 20/06/2016 at 13:00:42
28 Posted 20/06/2016 at 13:33:01
I can't think of a single reason why he'd be 'biased' towards anything to do with that club.
As for Stones and Barkley, whatever we think, they'd not want to spend the whole tournament gathering splinters.
29 Posted 20/06/2016 at 13:43:47
For all the doubters he is probably the only player in the squad capable of that piece of creative magic which England will need at some stage if they are going to be contenders.
The most unpleasant of the midfield bag of RS is certainly Lallana who seems to have a personal vendetta against Ross. There is no chance of him giving the ball to Ross if they are on the pitch together.
30 Posted 20/06/2016 at 14:06:07
I really think he just assumes if you play for the RS, Man Utd, Arsenal, Man City you must be good! a very childlike approach to football!
31 Posted 20/06/2016 at 14:43:26
In addition, I watch the games Barkley plays at international level and yes he makes the odd mistake. When he does, Hoddle and in particular that other prick who I have absolutely no respect for (Townsend) absolutely slate him and mention every minor mistake where as Alli makes the self same mistakes and he's still "golden boy" .
I'm sorry, but Alli's performances in the firsts two games have been shocking and that's their for all to see. However they don't
33 Posted 20/06/2016 at 16:06:56
If England do reasonably well (ie: get out of the group) then that will be in spite of the manager not because of him. I remember at the World Cup him saying that Sterling was unplayable. No Woy, you should have said 'can't play'. As for Barks and Stones, the longer they sit on the bench the better as far as I'm concerned.
34 Posted 20/06/2016 at 16:24:17
35 Posted 20/06/2016 at 17:44:29
I am not sure your argument holds any water. I'll think you'll find the real reason he favours their players is he is a shit manager.
36 Posted 20/06/2016 at 17:46:26
Hodgson suffered months of abuse off their fans and was fucked off sharpish after less than half a season.
Given these facts, why would he be in anyway biased towards them? Utter paranoia for me.
37 Posted 20/06/2016 at 19:13:22
A reflection of their form in the second half of the season?
38 Posted 20/06/2016 at 19:22:11
Roy is the England manager - he's picked a decent squad, albeit not one that everybody is going to agree with. He's rotating the team tonight. Neither Stones nor Barkley have had stellar seasons and haven't played their way in. Okay, neither has Sterling but he's one of our few naturally left-sided options and has his moments.
Can't we just get put club allegiances aside and get behind the national team, for better for worse? And if you're not English, it doesn't really matter to you does it?
39 Posted 20/06/2016 at 20:01:53
Yellow card and Ban waiting to happen ?
40 Posted 20/06/2016 at 20:03:28
Also if it wasn't for the fact Kane has been playing shit, he wouldn't let Vardy get a look in either.
Hodgson is just picking favourites. It's not about form or tactics. It's about who you play for. Apparently playing for the club that won the league can't get you picked but playing for the club that came second can.
What's Lallana doing that merits getting picked in every game so far?
43 Posted 20/06/2016 at 20:58:26
Lallana seems to be the blue eye at the moment but really is poor around the box. Henderson is a just Gerrard wannabee. A very average midfielder who wants to take all the corners and free kicks as well as thinking he is the captain. No better than Barkley at any time in my opinion.
Not good enough by England against poor opposition.
44 Posted 20/06/2016 at 21:01:55
The fact that Barkley can't get a game in front of some of these England midfielders shows you how bad his form has been since the turn of the year.
If he's not sitting on the bench, watching this game and thinking, "I hope this arl bastard, gives me the last half an hour," then he might as well just go and get the next plane home now.
45 Posted 20/06/2016 at 21:04:21
Disappointed for Ross, it won't do his confidence any good to see Wilshere in ahead of him, but he'll come back fresh for us.
46 Posted 20/06/2016 at 21:16:24
47 Posted 20/06/2016 at 21:28:36
Mark, I remember a commentator mentioned Wilshere as someone Hodgson rates highly. Definitely a case of picking favorites here.
48 Posted 20/06/2016 at 21:29:03
I am disappointed for both as they have had poor seasons but it would have been better if they hadn't been selected for the squad. But when you see Henderson, Alli, Wilshere, Dier, all ahead in choice it's criminal. I can't blame either being totally brassed off.
49 Posted 20/06/2016 at 21:30:29
50 Posted 20/06/2016 at 21:49:04
Justice for continuously picking out of form players; was it 4,Liverpool players on that field tonight; that's a fucking joke when Drinkwater is sitting at home.
51 Posted 20/06/2016 at 21:55:21
In competitions like this you use all games to refine your best team, you have to win the games.
52 Posted 20/06/2016 at 21:57:05
53 Posted 20/06/2016 at 21:58:14
...H-Henderson... (rocks back and forth)
Henderson... (lower lip quivers)...
54 Posted 20/06/2016 at 21:58:24
Torn between wanting to see Stones and Barkley and hoping that they are not tainted with this manager or team.
55 Posted 20/06/2016 at 21:58:37
Not so critical to win the group. England now play the 2nd in Group F.
56 Posted 20/06/2016 at 22:02:22
57 Posted 20/06/2016 at 22:04:16
It's just that when things don't go your way, you look at Henderson, Wilshere and Milner and think who else we could have taken. All three are a waste of time.
Henderson just isn't up to it. Wilshere seems to have blinded everyone in English football because he has nice technique, but he gives the ball away constantly. I started trying to count, he had the ball four times, lost it three of them then got subbed off. He's the most overrated player I've ever seen.
As for not winning the group, that actually shouldn't matter. We'll have the runner up from Portugal's group, and if we lose to them we never had a chance of doing anything anyway.
58 Posted 20/06/2016 at 22:06:40
Stones and Barkley might as well come home. They've been hung out to dry by the press and just about every so-called expert.
59 Posted 20/06/2016 at 22:07:09
60 Posted 20/06/2016 at 22:09:26
Doesn't explain Milner, Wilshere and Henderson though.
61 Posted 20/06/2016 at 22:09:41
62 Posted 20/06/2016 at 22:13:06
Sterling is not a left-sided option, he's a right-footed winger, so should play on the right. He seems to think he's Lionel Messi, he's actually Aaron Lennon.
63 Posted 20/06/2016 at 22:19:36
As someone else pointed out Bilic is the man speaking sense on the telly, England lacked that something special and their keeper hardly had to make a save. Skrtel was excellent at the back for Slovakia (though it pains me to say it!)
64 Posted 20/06/2016 at 22:20:16
England very embarrassing tonight. Once a decent team shows up and show England how to play football, the English players can't start their summer holidays.
65 Posted 20/06/2016 at 22:21:05
66 Posted 20/06/2016 at 22:21:13
67 Posted 20/06/2016 at 22:36:49
As for the two Toffees in question, well I think Stones is slightly unlucky to miss out, so far... whilst I think Barkley is lucky to be a professional footballer!
68 Posted 20/06/2016 at 22:45:11
England want to press high initially, then later on sit back and hit on the counter against teams who are good in possession themselves. They've been too good for Russia, Wales and Slovakia to be able to attack them, so have never had any space to run into.
Christine, even accepting that in full, it's still only 'a bad second half of the season' not 'a bad season'. It's quite a significant difference - about five months of good football with goals and assists coming regularly.
69 Posted 20/06/2016 at 22:48:00
Our best chance is come up against a team that try's to press high and nick the ball back from our midfielders. I think we'll give one of the top teams a game in the Quarters and get knocked out by the odd goal.
For what it's worth I'd absolutely play Ross and Stones in the KO stage against the better teams. Not just because I'm biased but because Ross is the only player that can go right through the midfield on the break without having to use the wing-backs. If he can break through the lines on the counter Vardy & Sterling become very dangerous. That alone could make England a far more dangerous proposition than what we are seeing now which is nothing other than a slow, predictable last 8 exit.
70 Posted 20/06/2016 at 22:49:57
71 Posted 20/06/2016 at 22:55:34
I just about kept up with the England game on the iPad and saw a lot of toil and a few unlucky misses, although not enough cunning to get around Slovakia's parked bus. While I don't think Hodgson comes out with much credit - can't help think (as echoed by Bilic on ITV) that against 'better' teams, they will do better (as Everton often do - although less often than we'd like)
I can see both teams making it through to the quarter finals, but despite my preference, still think England have a surprise or two up their sleeves in this tournament - while the Welsh will no doubt fall down somewhere as 'plucky losers' (a term Evertonians have grown tired of over the last decade or so!)
Finally, I could see Stones getting a game at some point - especially if Cahill picks up a knock...but can't see Barkley getting on - based on his low confidence and weak end to the season - and Hodgson's clear favouritism of others!
72 Posted 20/06/2016 at 23:09:21
I think when England play better teams the games will be completely different to the last three games, and so to draw conclusions from the one about the other seems to be nothing other than pure guesswork and speculation.
73 Posted 20/06/2016 at 23:14:09
74 Posted 20/06/2016 at 23:34:34
75 Posted 20/06/2016 at 23:35:27
He's wasting his time in France if he's behind Wilshire, Henderson, Lallan, Ali, Vardy, Sturridge and Sterling for any of the midfield rolls.
The England team seems to be getting credit even though we are in a bang average group, playing dog shit football and looking like a team that wont score goals.
Ross had a bad end to the season, yet he scored more goals than Wilshire, Lallana and Henderson put together, in fact his goals and assists records resembles that of Payet who is the key to France team.
Stones is simply not getting played unless one of the two centre half's gets injured, Walker has the right back slot boxed and Clyne is his replacement.
There both young, rich and have no family to worry about, they both played a lot of football last season and should concentrate on having a few weeks yo themselves.
76 Posted 20/06/2016 at 23:45:07
77 Posted 20/06/2016 at 23:51:53
78 Posted 20/06/2016 at 23:56:04
They even played Jordan Henderson for a full 90 minutes and still dominated completely. As my mate said: "they should just play with ten, at least that would be ballsy and awesome".
79 Posted 21/06/2016 at 01:21:30
80 Posted 21/06/2016 at 03:04:33
I am a biased Evertonian and aware of it. That awareness gives you the half chance of being objective. No matter how biased you are, it has been clear for years that the Redshite (no bias there . . . !) are preferred and by comparrison to Everton, aggressively marketed, by the two main pillars of our football society; the BBC and the FA. The 3rd pillar, the commercial Sky group are not quite so biased, however when the derby is being played the coverage is provided from the Redshites being the team to beat, and the Blues being there to make up the numbers.
Why is that. I don't know. But not acknowledging it is weird. I have on several posts raised the subject over the last few years, and an article sparked some debate. However, when you delve into the statistics it is much more prevalent than you realize. When you read in between the lines and pick up on the bias nuances of the social pillars and the media it is even worse.
I expect Moshiri will be aware of this as an issue to address, but don't ask me to rationalize it or ignore it, or even worse suggest it doesn't exist and raise the paranoia argument. I and others like me deserve better for simply being aware.
81 Posted 21/06/2016 at 03:10:15
As far as Barkley and Stones are concerned, let them warm the bench and recuperate for the season coming. Having said that both Smalling and Rooney were pretty ordinary. Why not play Rooney as a centre forward for the last 20 minutes and drag Vardy?
I thought the Slovak keeper was good, stayed on his line or back and let the defender do the work, dominated his area with safe hands and made some important saves.
82 Posted 21/06/2016 at 03:20:21
Same old story, its not how well you are playing, but which team you play for.
Vardy had an excellent season, only when he came on against Wales, did England improve.
I may be biased, but how the Christ lallana and Henderson gets picked is baffling.
83 Posted 21/06/2016 at 05:30:08
84 Posted 21/06/2016 at 05:43:48
85 Posted 21/06/2016 at 05:44:17
Ihave a feeling England might be back home before their postcards.
86 Posted 21/06/2016 at 06:44:19
Objectively, the first two should not be on the plane. Defoe should have went instead of Rashford and Baines instead of Bertrand. Drink water should be in as a stand in for Dier and replacement for Henderson. Stones should have been played throughout qualifying but as he wasn't best he doesn't play but Jags should have been there instead of him on this basis (or in my view, as well as and instead of Wiltshire),
87 Posted 21/06/2016 at 07:05:51
This season is massive for Ross, he's no longer a kid with potential and he needs to start realising his potential or he will be left behind. I think Roberto set him back a bit with his non existent coaching and cheerleading but personally, I think he is massively overated, and what we see now is as good as we will get from him, which Imo just isn't enough. If we got a big offer in the summer I'm sorry to say I would sell.
88 Posted 21/06/2016 at 07:13:48
The only player capable is Ross Barkley and he won't get a chance. Whether he deserves a chance, I don't know...but he simply can't do any worse than what we've seen.
I turned over and watched Game of Thrones. Creativity and entertainment at its best.
89 Posted 21/06/2016 at 07:57:24
Just come home rested, and injury free lads and fuck England and that useless git.
90 Posted 21/06/2016 at 08:10:25
You'd think that would be the last of Wiltshire we see but doubt it, he's Roy's boy.
At least we'll have Stones and Barkley fresh for next season.
91 Posted 21/06/2016 at 09:11:47
Peter Barry (84) gives that away fairly straightforwardly. He even has the gall to suggest it's bias to think otherwise!
92 Posted 21/06/2016 at 09:49:02
Both players were badly coached last season, both haven't learnt the basics of their respective roles and were encouraged to be risk takers. I think Hodgson was under press and peer pressure to pick them in the first place and doesn't fancy either of them.
Wouldn't it be lovely if both get a game somehow and move England forwards, and hopefully get Hodgson the boot.
93 Posted 21/06/2016 at 09:55:11
At least their lack of Euros action will remove any suggestion they will go into next season totally knackered. For Everton or any other clubs !
94 Posted 21/06/2016 at 10:12:55
95 Posted 21/06/2016 at 10:18:08
96 Posted 21/06/2016 at 10:25:01
This is international football play what you think is your best players and best team and stick with it whoever you are playing.
97 Posted 21/06/2016 at 10:46:06
Going back to August 2014, England have yet to play a decent side in a competitive match. The qualifying group was a training exercise and the EM group the same. They should get a fairly comfortable draw in the next round and will then likely go out in the quarters against one of Germany, Italy or France.
Not fussed whether Ross or Stones get game time tbh.
98 Posted 21/06/2016 at 11:02:28
100 Posted 21/06/2016 at 11:15:10
No space in behind, and not a winger on the pitch, is fucking criminal, especially with such limited midfielders, who can't keep hold of the ball long enough, to draw out the opposition.
I think the end for Hodgson at Anfield, was when he said it was Liverpool's best performance, when Everton, took their foot off the pedal, (something that still makes me fume to this day) and only won 2-0.
Why do people think we will do well, against better teams, when we can't put 2nd rate teams to bed?
I hope I'm wrong, but I think something is seriously amiss, because for such an attacking team? England just don't get enough bodies into the oppositions box.
101 Posted 21/06/2016 at 11:25:56
From what I have seen of England in this tournament, if Barkley can't get a game ahead of Lallana or Wilshere there is something wrong, I would have him over those two any day. Lallana is one of these players who thinks he is better than he actually is, all tricks & flicks & no actual substance, his end product is hopeless.
Wilshere is a waste of time, he is definitely one player that has been over hyped over the years by the English media. I just don't see it!
Don't get me started on how only one player from the Premier League champions is in the England squad, something's not right there.
103 Posted 21/06/2016 at 11:55:44
Barkley, on the other hand really worries me, because he should be in the team before a few of these other clones, but it's his complete lack of belief in himself, that seems to be really holding him back.
104 Posted 21/06/2016 at 11:58:35
We have created some decent chances with Vardy missing a one on one last night, Sterling missing an absolute sitter against Wales and a bundle of missed opportunities against Russia.
Its not been great but its not been awful either. We are not the first and won't be the last team to struggle to break down defensive set ups. We certainly look a lot better than in the last 2 tournaments we were in.
I think we may do better against teams who come at us a bit more and would not be at all surprised to see us win the next round and make it to the quarters where we may well meet France and that will be a tough ask as they and Spain are the only two teams who have looked half decent so far...
105 Posted 21/06/2016 at 12:13:07
Why then did Hodgson pick them to go if hey were to be of no use.
Why has Rashford not had more playing time instead of wasteful finishers like Lallana and Sterling.
Cannot for the life of me see England beating the Better teams that will be left.
They had better hope the draw is favourable.
106 Posted 21/06/2016 at 12:35:29
107 Posted 21/06/2016 at 12:38:32
Tony, have you not watched Everton for many, many years? It's a very common feature of football, and all sport in fact, that you raise your game against better opposition, whilst inferior opponents somehow drag you down to their level. This has happened in so many Everton games that surely you know this?
With England specifically, their preparation and game plan is aimed at playing better teams, it will suit their attributes and qualities to have an opponent who looks to get forward and attack. It's very difficult for any team to break down an inferior opponent who 'parks the bus'. Spain struggled massively against the Czech Republic, Germany failed completely against Poland, and France have made dramatic breakthroughs right at the end of the games.
England may indeed get knocked out in the Quarter Finals, but if they do it'll be because of what happens in the Quarter Finals, not because they missed chances and struggled to break down inferior opposition in the group stage.
109 Posted 21/06/2016 at 13:01:47
As for Barkley, he is lucky to be anywhere near that team in my opinion. His form in the second half of the season was shocking despite having the luxury of a complete free role with no responsibilities. He consistently shows poor decision-making, poor workrate, no aggression or desire, no tackles and often looked like he was playing for himself rather than the team.
He does show potential but he is nowhere near good enough to be given a free role and can't be trusted to play anywhere else and that is why he will stay on the bench.
110 Posted 21/06/2016 at 13:03:00
I just think we lack both a cutting edge, and enough good players on the ball, to really dictate a game of football, when the opposition retreat, like last night.
Once the competition gets going, I think we should play like Vardy's, Leicester, see Auto's post 81, because I just think better teams will pick holes, in England's present style, and formation.
111 Posted 21/06/2016 at 13:08:47
I can only understand why Ross isn't playing is because he's so unfit. Like somone mentioned everyone except the keepers has got minutes.
112 Posted 21/06/2016 at 13:27:06
Yet another post from on here from you just dripping in paranoia. Pure undiluted paranoia.
Like I said to you on here before, and you keep dodging to answer... Hodgson spent near enough his whole spell there getting abuse off their fans and was binned off in double-quick time.
Bearing this in mind, why would he be biased towards them in anyway? I wouldn't mind an answer this time, please.
113 Posted 21/06/2016 at 13:39:37
He dithers depending on what the press 'experts' say in their columns the previous day! He may chance upon a good team by accident and we may get to the final. In the same way if Sturridge hadn't scored against Wales we'd be most likely on the plane home! Fine margins?
114 Posted 21/06/2016 at 13:40:25
115 Posted 21/06/2016 at 13:41:51
Haven't learnt!!! What the hell have they been doing since the age of 10... if you can't understand how to defend, or pass the ball in the subsequent 10 years, how the hell do you become a professional football player!!!
All these people have done for the best part of their short lives is play football... if they don't get it now, why are they anywhere near our first team, let alone on the pitch!!!
116 Posted 21/06/2016 at 13:44:09
Why no Baines.... Why no Baines? Bertrand is one lucky guy â€“ can't defend, can't attack, can't cross the ball, Rose is slightly better... Why no Baines?
Why no Barkley? he can be a lazy sod but knows how to play a killer pass to open up defences. If he can't get into the team before Wilshere, Henderson, Milner, or Stirling, then something is wrong.
Why no Stones? He's much better than the other two clowns â€“ especially Smalling.
Once again, a manager who prefers boring football with steady Eddies.
117 Posted 21/06/2016 at 13:50:55
I'm not really that bothered that they haven't been picked, and of course it avoids unnecessary injury to them.
119 Posted 21/06/2016 at 15:42:03
At the moment I am pleased our lads haven't been exposed amongst this collection of individuals.
England are not a team under Hodgson and the comparison with Martinez is a valid one. Neither of them has any balls to demand more from the players.
120 Posted 21/06/2016 at 16:14:23
Can you answer why the media are biased against Ross but not so against Deli Alli and Wilshere? At least judging from many of the comments on here? Perhaps your answer may be they are not, and possibly the comments are unreasonable?
Also I don't dispute your point that Roy has no reason to be so pro the Redshites judging from his experience as their manager. Then please advise why he is so?
I am open to suggestion, but please don't drop the level of the discussion to 'paranoia'. The subject deserves more debate than that. The more you look at it, the more interesting it gets...
122 Posted 21/06/2016 at 19:46:05
I've yet to see any anti-Barkley sentiment. And if he ends up getting criticism...so what? That's all part and parcel of football.
Given his poor performances for us in the last 3 months of last season he was damn lucky to get in the squad. No way should he be ahead of Ali in the pecking order, who played much better than him last season.
Wilshere is another question entirely. Why he's in the squad is a mystery.
If anything, Hodgson is 'biased' to Spurs as he picks more of their players than from any other club. So why aren't you going on about that seemingly 'bias'?
123 Posted 21/06/2016 at 22:39:03
Anyway, maybe it's for the best. If he played well, we would have all the hype. If he played badly, we would have the fall out from that to deal with. I feel for him, despite my misgivings about the manager and team in general.
124 Posted 21/06/2016 at 22:39:03
Anyway, maybe it's for the best. If he played well, we would have all the hype. If he played badly, we would have the fall out from that to deal with. I feel for him, despite my misgivings about the manager and team in general.
125 Posted 21/06/2016 at 22:48:14
Alli has been poor for a while now but the media will not say so since that contradicts their ridiculous pre-tournament script whereby he was going to be our teenage salvation.
126 Posted 22/06/2016 at 10:57:37
FA chiefs outraged as Hodgson risks losing England job after Euro 2016 gamble backfires
ROY HODGSON'S selection own goal in England's final group game at Euro 2016 has incensed senior figures at the Football Association..................
To me, reading between the lines, it basically implies that the players Hodgson brought in on Monday night, were not good enough to win the game.
Reading the article, there is not one mention of any player coming in being criticised for their performance.
You can bet your bottom dollar, however, that if Stones and or Barkley had played, they would have been pulled to bits by the press for Englands failure to win the group.
Bitter????...............too bloody true I am. If I were either Stones or Ross, I'd throw a sickie and asked to be sent home. No way are either player going to get a game.
127 Posted 22/06/2016 at 11:09:09
England were just the same, no plan B and no imagination. It needed something different to break through... Ross or even bloody Sterling might have offered that...
128 Posted 22/06/2016 at 11:16:46
I kept thinking Roy had morfed into Roberto, particularly when he justified the tactic on the grounds of possession and superiority !
129 Posted 22/06/2016 at 15:05:02
Against a team sitting deep and defending with 9 players in two banks, full backs like Bertrand are not useful; Baines could have added some intricate passing guile (a la Spain and Argentina) instead of pure athleticism. He should have been on the plane (oat) or bespite having a rough season with us; Baines wasn't necessarily the problem for us anyway.
Jags AND Stones. Yes. No Wilshire, he's a useless luxury. I must admit that Lallana has played well but like Milner it's not always clear what he adds. And he missed a few chances.
Shocking that we didn't try Barkley, up front even, or instead of Alli, against Slovakia; again, pace/break forwards like Vardy aren't the best for breaking teams down; I think the Sturridge goal against Wales was a good example (although it came from an Alli mistake).
I do think the squad we have will do better in attack against better teams, but we'll also likely get scored on a lot more, so I am expecting some 3-2 type results in the knockouts ...
130 Posted 22/06/2016 at 15:37:10
There are many, many posters on ToffeeWeb who record their frustration at the raw deal Everton get in all branches of the media. Let's not dispute that.
The raw deal is very insidious. Example being the continual reference to Everton's star players being considered as already transferable commodities in waiting. This never happens to any other club? Why?
The Redshite media luv-in is so blatant, responded to literally hundreds of times a month by knowledgeable ToffeeWebbers without referring to the paranoid angle, so let's simply accept it as fact. OK? But why is it so?
The appointment of Koeman really is big news. That plus Moshiri's stated intentions for the Club is bigger still.
So why should we find the BBC highlighting the negative polemics such as Koeman is gambling and are Everton "really" a bigger club than Southampton? Compare this to the celebrations and hoo-haa that accompanied Klopp's appointment which has even now still not died down.
Therefore my observation still stands. Why are the media, especially the BBC, who pride themselves on their politically neutral reporting, so biased against Everton? There are many opinions. If you acknowledge this I would like to hear your opinion. Simply labeling me 'paranoid' is doing neither of us justice.
131 Posted 22/06/2016 at 17:41:13
It's the only reason I can think of that explains why the likes of Noble, Drinkwater, Townsend and Defoe are not in France. Four players who were bang in form during the last few months of the season. Certainly better than Henderson and Wilthsire, who hardly even played.
Bit strange how Rashford got in on 'form' and yet the above players didn't. Defoe is exactly the kind of joker off the bench that could do a job in the second half when chasing a goal.
132 Posted 22/06/2016 at 18:53:05
So some at the BBC question the move of Koeman to us. So what? I didn't agree with them but football is all about opinions, isn't it? Just like your giving yours.
I don't really see Klopp love that is supposed to be still going on. Perhaps it just resides in your head? With the Euros in full swing, I don't remember the last time he was even mentioned in the media.
Again, I'm not aware of these 'hundreds' of Blues who come on here every month cry-arsing about so-called media bias towards LFC and I've been posting on TW everyday for 7 years.
None of us like it, but they are a much higher profile club than us hence more media coverage. It's not rocket science.
Ironically enough, some of my RS mates and family have the reverse views of yours by moaning about how the media is against them!
Sorry William, but I don't think I've ever come across a Blue with a chip on their shoulder that size. I don't think it's healthy to be that paranoid and look for conspiracy in everything.
133 Posted 22/06/2016 at 20:02:59
Remember Mexico 86 and the England squad being dominated by Everton players? Steven, Stevens, Lineker and Reid. And everyone of them ended up starting all but the first two games.
I wonder if fans from sides lower down the table complained about that back then?
134 Posted 22/06/2016 at 00:02:40
Certainly not based on form anyway, (otherwise Barkley and Stones wouldn't be there either).
Anyway, seems they've gotten lucky, dodged a bullet with Iceland scoring the winner after 94 mins.
135 Posted 23/06/2016 at 00:27:01
Had Wilkins not have been sent off and suspended and Robson not have done his shoulder, those two players probably wouldn't have started for England.
As it turned out all four of the Everton contingent started the ball rolling in Mexico 86 and all four started the last 3 matches of that campaign.
There is and always has been a strange attitude towards Everton FC and its players from the FA's point of view during my time of watching football, you don't see it which is fair enough.
I always ask the question had the situation which caused the European ban have involved Everton FC how many English clubs would the English FA have banned?
136 Posted 23/06/2016 at 03:18:37
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