According to The Telegraph, the 40-year-old will travel to Merseyside for talks in the hope that his appointment can be announced "sooner rather than later".
The report claims that negotiations are already at an advanced stage but MailOnline suggest that matters are more or less settled and he could be unveiled "early next week".
Silva has an ongoing legal battle with Watford over unpaid wages and the Hertfordshire club have lodged a formal complaint against Everton for their initial approach for the Portuguese in November but neither issue would prevent the Blues from hiring him if, as looks to be the case, he is the chosen man to succeed Sam Allardyce.
Original Source: The Telegraph
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1 Posted 19/05/2018 at 07:31:52
Looks like this decision was made months ago, so fair play to Moshiri, for sticking to his original plan, but I hope he's done more than due-dilligence on a manager who could be absolutely anything
2 Posted 19/05/2018 at 07:47:23
I see West Ham have been quick to get Pellegrini, a good Manager who has proved he can do it.
I have this gut feeling that we could do a lot better than Silva, I feel he represents more of a gamble than many others we could get.
No doubt he has potential, but how many times have we said that about players over the years, and they have ultimately been a let down ?
I am glad they are not rushing into this appointment, now whether they are looking at other candidates too, or just concentrating the contractual baggage claims by Watford remains to be seen.
3 Posted 19/05/2018 at 07:52:38
4 Posted 19/05/2018 at 08:08:03
I'd have chosen Pereira when we took on Martinez, so...
I'll back Silva if he is chosen to be the one !!!
5 Posted 19/05/2018 at 08:09:41
Surely after years of instability and upheaval right now is the time to steady the Club and appoint someone who is less of a risk.
Surely a couple of seasons of solidity and getting things set up and sorted would be far more beneficial to the Club rather than continuing with the day to day decision making we seem to have experienced since Moyes left.
6 Posted 19/05/2018 at 08:34:53
Shot in the dark but what about Jose's Number 2? Hasn't he left and wants that step up to management?
But seriously, Brands must have a massive input or the whole thing will not fit.
7 Posted 19/05/2018 at 08:36:38
If talks have already been held why couldn't a deal have been signed, sealed and delivered?
Does this point to "him" not being 100%?
I know people will say these things take time etc etc but they always seem to take MORE time when Everton are involved.
Does it mean there's somebody else being looked at?
Personally I hope so.
8 Posted 19/05/2018 at 08:37:25
9 Posted 19/05/2018 at 08:42:00
Like who exactly?
10 Posted 19/05/2018 at 08:44:17
But we are talking about a club who haven't won anything for over 23 long years, mostly because we had an owner, who had to watch every penny, and so hatched out a plan, that made it look like coming best of the rest was success..
Silva, might just turn out to be a proven winner, or maybe it will end in tears once again? If you don't want him, you can point to his relegation with Hull (unfair-imo) or his poor win ratio since he came to England, but if he's someone you want, you can point to his decent record in both Portugal and Greece.
I want a younger manager, because I feel he might connect better with our younger players, but others might want an experienced fella, and don't think are kids are good enough just yet?
Again I will say, that it's always a gamble, but even if Moshiri, gets it wrong again, (Hopefully not) at least he's trying to make us better, or maybe I'm wrong because if things do go wrong, people are always going to say, that we never should have went for him in the first place!
11 Posted 19/05/2018 at 08:48:45
Of all the guys linked only Silva is a world class coach, although Emery isn't far behind and Fonseca isn't bad.
Whoever we get is a gamble. Pellegrini with his standoffishness snd grandfatherly ways could be a revelation or it could be a disaster. My thoughts is that the team needs energy. If the guy in charge is full of energy then the team follows suit. Those lacking the energy will be discarded.
Rafa has had a good season. But his football is shite. In his hey day, he used to lean on Paco Ayesteran to do his coaching. That guy was a world class coach (but a terrible manager) and without him Rafa ain't Rafa at his best.
Conte would never come. He's still in a job. He's on twice what we'd offer him and he'll get close to that in his next job and champions league football. We can't entertain him.
If we can get Emery, great. But I still think he's out of reach and for pure coaching Silva is better. Emery will demand CL football and I think if he can't get it now, he'll wait for the first big job to come up in a few months time and he'd be favourite for that.
Nagelsmann is still at Hoffenheim. He's a world class coach. Great innovator. Full of youthful energy and ideas. He'd be perfect as well.
We need that energy and coaching. We need to reinvigorate the side. I believe it Will be Silva. Moshiri has chased too hard now to give up and look a fool. Silva will have told Moshiri he can get a tune out of the present squad and will need only a small amount of cash for new players.
12 Posted 19/05/2018 at 08:52:50
I would assume City got shut because they didn't think he could go any further with them. Do we want to emulate City or not? The only thing certain if we signed Pellegrini is that Tiny Tears would be able to do one of his tearful obituaries before long.
I'd much rather have a young up coming manager that can show his players what he wants on the training pitch not someone who has to be wheeled out in a bath chair and tell someone what to show them.
Finch Farm would be a bucketless area just in case Manuel kicked one.
13 Posted 19/05/2018 at 09:06:35
Everton are bound to be looking at other choices. It depends on the quality of those candidates that are putting their names forward. There lies the problem: Everton have not the draw they once were for attracting the top managers and structurally and squad-wise they are a basket case. The manager's job at Everton is a big job, because it is a difficult job and the Club needs a complete overhaul, not because we are a Big Club anymore.
Brands is the calbre we need; it will be difficult to get a manager of similar calibre. Sure, Silva will want the job. He is unemployed and was stupid enough to get himself in that position. He would love the big wages, who wouldn't. But is he of the right calibre. There are questions whether he is are not.
With the required targets and the money involved, Everton need to be sure of that. They haven't go it right in the passed. Hopefully Brands has a say in the decision. The rest of the Board haven't a clue. Silva is pre Brands.
14 Posted 19/05/2018 at 09:07:01
West Ham are welcome to Pellegrini, he won nowt at Real Madrid, despite spending £80m on Ronaldo. His record in general isn't great-
Manuel Pellegrini has managed 690 games for 4 club(s) and has 2 honours to his name.
Honours: League Cup 2013-14, Premier League 2013-14 with Manchester City.
15 Posted 19/05/2018 at 09:14:16
World class goes on results and achievements not on seeing videos of how he works etc.
Using Greece and Portugal is hardly a realistic yardstick either.
I know you favour Silva and you've been banging the drum for him for some time but to call him a world class coach at this point undoes any "sensible" arguments you put forward mate.
16 Posted 19/05/2018 at 09:19:32
As a coach, Silva is recognised as nothing short of outstanding. Try to find an article that says he's anything but. His coaching skills are superb.
17 Posted 19/05/2018 at 09:23:00
Between those two I would choose Silva every time.
Between Silva and Emery is a whole different matter.
Between Silva and Simeone it is a no brainier.
Trouble is managers at the level of Emery and Simeone are looking for something else. They will want a champions league club and huge transfer guarantees at their stage of career.
Whilst we think our club is the greatest on earth elsewhere in Europe we don't register. Only the wages do.
Silva is a gamble but he wants to come, wants the project is hungry and it is the right time in his career. He is forty and coursing with energy and determination.
Everton can bear the fruit of all Silva's qualities.
It's a gamble but he is the best gamble . He is the right man at the right time.
18 Posted 19/05/2018 at 09:29:05
Make no mistake, Everton pay those bills not Moshiri. As someone else said recently, he's not Santa Claus. So I would like to see a return on our investment and someone talented enough to mound a team from all of our expensive flops, because it can be done.
I think Silva is actually the best coach out of the lot. But I'd be very happy with Emery, Fonseca or Nagelsmann. Emery I don't think we have a chance of getting.
West Ham got turned down by everyone. Lecisester are scared of sacking puel now as they have seen the struggles to get a new guy in. So we have to be realistic.
19 Posted 19/05/2018 at 09:34:20
Benitez continues to poll 20%+ more votes than Silva after nearly 7000 votes. Could they talk to Rafa? , ex RS , slagged is off ...but still 20% more popular than Silva .
20 Posted 19/05/2018 at 09:41:05
I met Simon Jordan a few times through friends, and he's a decent bloke who I always got on with, so maybe my view on his comments are slightly skewed, but I already had my own doubts before reading what he said.
Silva doesn't seem like he has much of a stomach for a fight, and carries around a Mourinho-esque ego by all accounts. Not something Evertonians are terribly keen on in their managers eh?
He also bottled it at Watford once he knew there was outside interest, not a good sign in my view.
Everton needs stability at this point in time, though I also understand they're looking to appoint someone to be 'part of the project' so perhaps an older head doesn't fit that mould. Silva is at least young and modern in his thinking (the polar opposite of Allardici) which fits in that regard.
Anyone is a gamble as others have said, I just think Everton should be looking to someone that balances out the risk a bit better than Silva.
To put it bluntly, I don't trust him.
21 Posted 19/05/2018 at 09:49:34
His record in the Premier stinks and all those honours he claims were in second grade leagues. Just what qualifies her with the long name to be part of the process I have no idea but I guess somebody will provide a list of questions that might just have something to do with football.
This may be the start of a brave new world -just have one candidate on the shortlist- but it will end just as the projects of Martinez and Koeman did. Abject failure !
22 Posted 19/05/2018 at 09:56:58
As I've said on here before, I would have liked for us to sound out Emery as I think he would stabilise, excite and energise the fan base, but maybe the timing just isn't right.
If for whatever reason Silva doesn't happen (it will) I would be happy with Wenger in the short term to bring a bit of stability and get us heading in the right direction, but let's get behind this young manager - he needs to welcomed and given time by us all.
23 Posted 19/05/2018 at 10:02:38
Seems hugely unlikely now though.
24 Posted 19/05/2018 at 10:05:21
25 Posted 19/05/2018 at 10:08:41
Steve no need for apologies mate but I still maintain "world class" comes from achievements and that's something we'll have to wait and see about.
All the positive articles in the world, all the videos showing how wonderful he is on the training pitch mean nothing unless/until they're translated? into winning lots of football matches and challenging for honours.
26 Posted 19/05/2018 at 10:15:17
That's TWO sets of players btw, not just the poor 'unfortunate' Hull lads. This myth about how well he did at Hull just doesn't stand up to the facts. He had 18 games there that's one less than half a season to save them and he didn't.
If its true we 'turned his head' at Watford then shame on him for letting his players, employers and loyal fans down. After all, we all know how it feels to spend your hard-earned and be treated like you just don't matter, don't we?
I am made up with what the club has done this week but the appointment of Silva would all feel a bit 'Martinesque' to me. Where the myths surrounding the man far outweigh the facts.
No, I am with Simon Jordan on this one when he said, 'Marco Silva's reward for failing at the business end of the season with Hull and being a typical disingenuous, disloyal slob at Watford is to get a big job at Everton. Maybe they will reap what they sow'.
27 Posted 19/05/2018 at 10:17:09
28 Posted 19/05/2018 at 10:22:36
After a purge at board and management level we are on a different tangent than two weeks ago.
Hopefully stability has already been achieved by appointing a talented DOF who is very aware of the challenges we face as Moshiri 's ambitious plans for the club get rebooted.
A young, ambitious coach that is able to work within a DOF structure is clearly what is needed if we are mould the current squad we have Into something more than the sum of it's parts.
For those of you wanting a manager who is stable then who do you want?
Hughes, Allardyce, Moyes, Warnock etc.
We only have to look at Wolves and see what a young ambitious coach within the right framework can do.
29 Posted 19/05/2018 at 11:32:26
30 Posted 19/05/2018 at 11:53:15
31 Posted 19/05/2018 at 12:11:27
"They don't win trophies or beat the big clubs but they do run the club like a proper old-fashioned club. Always do it by the book do Everton"
Well overdue that we have ruthless business men in charge of the club. Get Silva and give Watford nothing.
32 Posted 19/05/2018 at 12:19:12
The guy has been relegated with one team (something a world-class coach would have avoided) and been given the last card in the pack by another. Hardly a ringing endorsement.
Silva's preferred formation is now as old as the hills. He does offer a more adventurous version and this may be something we can encourage and support, but this is getting silly now. To describe a guy as world class based on a few reports from tactical websites and couple of videos shows a rare degree of naivety.
This is not Football Manager â€” it's real and it's our club were are talking about.
It would appear that Silva is Moshiri's choice. Fair enough, let's give him his chance, but this non-stop stream of daft claims are an insult to the intelligence of anyone who understands the game.
Silva's still young and learning his trade; hopefully he will develop into a very decent coach, but thus far, he has only ever known failure on these shores and he needs to turn that around just to prove he is Premier League class.
People need to ask themselves this: if Silva is world-class, or even top-class... Why didn't he fancy his chances of bringing Hull straight back up? How come he was given the push by a poxy club like Watford? More to the point, why is he still out of collar?
33 Posted 19/05/2018 at 12:27:34
Emery will want a Champions League club. Arteta wants Arsenal; we'd be sloppy seconds. Wenger said he doesn't think he'd manager another English club; PSG or Similar would suit him. Ancelotti won't come to a mid-table â€˜project' club at his age, Van Gaal and Conceicao... not worth mentioning.
If the board want guaranteed safety until we get into the new stadium, they may well go for Benitez. Although I want Silva, I'd get behind either of the other two and be confident they could do well.
34 Posted 19/05/2018 at 12:49:51
Lessons of the dark days of last season must be learnt, and we can't go there again.
35 Posted 19/05/2018 at 13:01:41
Of course, none of us know what is going on behind the scenes. My hope is a line has been drawn and we are going for someone else rather than getting involved in what is likely to be a long drawn-out mess.
Whatever Silva's merits as a manager, he did let the whole business disrupt himself, which to me places a major question mark over his suitability to become Everton's manager.
36 Posted 19/05/2018 at 13:28:20
Silva hasn't taken up other job offers in the meantime, in other words I'd bet a large amount that, once Watford let him go, Moshiri got back in touch and told Silva he wanted him in the summer, so sit tight.
The only possible fly in the ointment is Watford's potential pursuit of a tapping-up claim against us, but I expect this will get sorted.
37 Posted 19/05/2018 at 13:34:47
If he hasn't personally chosen Silva, then doesn't that suggest that Moshiri â€“ the money man â€“ is dictating the most important decision to the man who is supposed to be in charge of the footballing side of things? In which case, Brands is already a lame duck?
38 Posted 19/05/2018 at 13:43:48
39 Posted 19/05/2018 at 14:04:35
It would be hard to believe that the manager situation wasn't discussed before Brands signed on the dotted line. If we are to have â€˜further talks with Silva next week', Brands must have agreed to it.
Moshiri's admiration of Simeone makes me think that the man thinks big. So maybe there's still a chance we will be surprised. Emery or Simeone with a 𧷤m warchest.
40 Posted 19/05/2018 at 14:07:19
41 Posted 19/05/2018 at 14:40:24
Looks like a promising youngish coach, plenty to like, plenty to question. Like with any manager for whom the job is a step up, we don't know whether the likes will outweigh the questions. I'm pretty sure that Brands would have known about this before agreeing to join.
He'll need time and patience. Some won't give him either. He's going to have to help himself initially, by having the right attitude and saying the right things, which set back his predecessors. Good results would be handy as well!
42 Posted 19/05/2018 at 14:57:01
If we got Simeone (joking of course) he himself would be fitter than most of our actual players.
43 Posted 19/05/2018 at 15:13:17
I would take Simon Jordan's comments with a piece of salt. He was championing Big Sam from the rooftops, stating he would appoint him everyday of the week and twice on a Sunday.
The bottom line is that no one knows how Silva will turn out. All the best managers who have won loads or been middling in the past have been relegated during their careers. Wenger, Benitez, Mourinho, even Ferguson flirted with the sack previously. Sometimes, just sometimes, there is a perfect fit.
Whatever the outcome, it certainly will be an interesting ride.
44 Posted 19/05/2018 at 15:30:09
Now they don't merit extra gravitas because he was/is 'someone' who has been inside the game at top level. He is just another football punter like the rest of us.
But, as anathema as it may be to Steve Ferns in his evangelical campaign supporting Marco Silva, they do echo a disquiet about the Portuguese manager a number of us feel, including myself.
I know Portuguese football well. His achievements at Estoril were astonishing. I don't dismiss his league title in Greece because it is a lesser league. He may well be highly regarded for his hands-on training as Steve trumpets.
But based on his two most recent gigs, in the same league as Everton ply their trade, legitimate questions can and should be asked about his efficacy, ego and staying power.
Hull in particular and Watford, it has to be acknowledged, are challenging appointments for any manager.
He took up the reigns at Hull starting behind the black ball. Whilst he undoubtedly got some very good results and improved their play, the successes were all at home. He failed to turn around their away form (one on the 'to do' list for the incoming Everton manager).
The woeful away form was critical as it was necessary to augment the much-improved home form under Silva, but they continued to get tonked on the road by 3 or 4 goals.
Having got so tantalisingly close to avoiding relegation, with 3 games to go they completely capitulated. At their home fortress to an already relegated Sunderland, they lost 2-0. Away to fellow strugglers they got hammered 4-0 by (cough!) Sam Allardyce's Palace, which effectively sealed their fate. And on the final day of the season they lay down and had their bellies tickled at home 7-1 by a rampant Spurs.
Within 4 days of that defeat and confirmed relegation, Silva resigned.
So on to Watford. It's a bit of a myth that they started well under Silva. By game 11 â€“ the Everton 3-2 comeback game at Goodison â€“ they were 9th. And in this flatline season for many clubs, they fluctuated between 9th and 14th for the rest of the season, the latter being their final finishing position.
What they did do after that Everton defeat until he was dismissed in January, was go into meltdown and have their poorest run of form of the season. This started with the speculation that Everton had approached Watford to recruit him and the aftermath when our approach was denied.
Their Premier League form in that time reads:
P 13 W 3 D 2 L 8 F 16 A 23 Pts 11
That's a third of a season. That's conceding at nearly 2 goals a game â€“ another on the 'to do' list for the incoming Everton manager. And two of the three wins came in games 1 and 2 of that sequence, so effectively 1 win in 11 games. That is out-and-out relegation form.
It was widely reported that Silva had lost his drive and focus having lost out on the chance to manage Everton. Taken together with the late mini-collapse the season before at Hull, and it's a legitimate question to ask if Silva has the staying power and ability to overcome adversity when the going gets tough.
Because that's yet another thing the incoming manager has on his 'to do' list at Everton. It needs an extremely strong personality to handle the fragile egos and slackers currently on our books.
I am all for a young, hungry, dynamic and hands-on manager, rather than the tired recycled 'English saviour' type manager. Silva could well be that man and, like Pochettino at Spurs, really blossom at Everton. But the above leaves me with a nagging doubt his staying power and ability to overcome adversity at critical times.
On the TW poll, I voted for the available, non-English speaking (so was Pochettino when he first arrived on these shores) Unai Emery.
If another favourite, Rafa Benitez, can in the same season go from managing Real Madrid to managing the soon-to-be-relegated Newcastle United as happened, why the belief among some Blues that Emery couldn't be tempted to make a similar move?
45 Posted 19/05/2018 at 15:46:30
Who would have thought Pochettino at Spurs would have done so well after a brief spell at Southampton? Spurs fans weren't exactly thrilled when he was appointed he's now considered to be one of the best young coaches in world football.
Arsenal are now looking at Arteta with zero managerial experience.
Talent is talent and sometimes you need the stars to align (right man at the right club at the right time).
Hi ho, SIlva, bring it on and let him get in place and start building with Brands early.
46 Posted 19/05/2018 at 15:48:54
Personally I would love to get Emery and wanted him before we got Koeman but I get the feeling Silva is a done deal.
From what we hear he is a workaholic in the Moyes mould always out with the players cajoling and coaching.
Maybe that is what we need especially if Simon Jordan doesn't like him. What he knows about football would fill a matchbox.
His record isn't great in the prem but maybe he will get a better tune out of better players.
One thing is for sure: he will need patience and backing to turn this shambles of a squad around, so I hope all Blues will take this opportunity to get right behind the new manager.
47 Posted 19/05/2018 at 16:03:43
You're dead right about him needing a strong personality. So will us supporters if we are to give him time and breathing space to achieve success.
He will get criticised every week come rain or shine. Whether we lose, draw, or win ugly. But that's part of the job and he will need that strong personality and belief.
It is a prerequisite for managing a top side.
48 Posted 19/05/2018 at 16:15:21
Ask yourselves, what do we have to offer them? Not even a lousy Europa League campaign! Why would they chose us in favor of Real Madrid, Bayern, Dortmund, etc??
And then there is the Chinese league who can throw silly money at them.
49 Posted 19/05/2018 at 16:31:13
Why is it 'silly' when the teams you list (etc...) aren't in the market for a manager..?
Why is it 'silly' when, other than Arsenal possibly, that across the major leagues there are no top top teams currently recruiting for a manager..?
What is 'silly' is the submissiveness among some of our own supporters that we have 'nothing to attract' a top manager.
We do. We have a de facto owner willing to throw money at a manager, with a vision to drag the club into the 21st century.
With the right sales pitch, it's not beyond 'liddle ole Everton' to land a proven and extremely talented manager.
'Silly' as that may sound to you.
50 Posted 19/05/2018 at 16:41:27
And no, Moshiri is not another Sheikh Mansour! No contest there.
51 Posted 19/05/2018 at 16:48:35
52 Posted 19/05/2018 at 16:55:08
53 Posted 19/05/2018 at 16:55:49
54 Posted 19/05/2018 at 17:05:18
When interviewed on MotD he used a translator, since moving to Spurs he is quite fluent and able to speak unaided, so can't see that being a problem for Emery.
The biggest problem we will have, as many have mentioned is to persuade him to come. I hope he does and will allow me to rekindle my belief that there is a tooth fairy after all. :-)
55 Posted 19/05/2018 at 17:07:39
56 Posted 19/05/2018 at 17:15:26
57 Posted 19/05/2018 at 17:17:30
What about the RB Leipzig manager, is he any good? Gets a tune out of Lookman.
58 Posted 19/05/2018 at 17:19:39
Need to be committed whoever we get. No more false starts.
59 Posted 19/05/2018 at 17:23:17
60 Posted 19/05/2018 at 17:27:44
61 Posted 19/05/2018 at 17:27:53
Why does Moshiri seem to have this unwavering desire to land Silva?
Why did he decide on him? Was he advised or what?
62 Posted 19/05/2018 at 17:36:19
There is no correlation between the speculation you engage in in your post and Soren's claim that it is simply 'silly' to even attempt to recruit a more illustrious manager.
63 Posted 19/05/2018 at 17:44:57
We need young, energetic, ambitious. Not some old guy getting a final paycheck.
Silva, to me, seems low risk, and high potential.
64 Posted 19/05/2018 at 17:49:42
65 Posted 19/05/2018 at 17:53:38
I know who is beginning to look 'silly'...
66 Posted 19/05/2018 at 18:02:25
Nail on head. A 'world class' coach won't come to us.
It is too late for a 'safe coach' to contribute to and evolve in parallel with the evolution of the Club.
The revolution has started and will be completed reasonably soon in the forseable future â€“ Boys Pen Bill being marginalized etc.
A 'youngish' manager in a responsive, well-structured environment is definitely what we need. The options have been iterated and reiterated back and forth and Silva is the one Moshiri wants. He likes the cut of his jib so to speak, and if you take note of Steve Ferns (the go-to man for knowledgeable and rational opinion) with very good reasoning.
If the Watford management were as sneaky as they now appear, then I am not surprised there was a parting of the ways, given the approach was made. He may be seen as an ambitious young man in a hurry. I like that!
If you had said to me a week ago that Allardyce and his crew would be gone, the boardroom reshuffled with notable exits and sideways movements, that Walsh would be gone, and that we would have Brands and Silva on board with the promise of another 𧴜M to invest (wisely, I trust) in the team, I would have not believed it.
The summer is critical. Momentum is very important. I would expect (naively, some may say) that, just as Sam had 'his plan', Moshiri, Brands and Silva have theirs. Momentum is now a key to build on the feel great factor!
I am over the moon with optimism, but hey that's my nature. Even Phil Walling can't spoil that. However, whilst I resent accusations of naivety, in fairness, we all do have opinions, and I respect that.
67 Posted 19/05/2018 at 18:40:42
From Catterick to Clough to Kendall how many great managers have not been great coaches and great coaches crap managers.
Unless we were lucky to get one of the very few who are both with our bunch of misfits we need the best man manager available oh yes and the best fitness coach.
68 Posted 19/05/2018 at 18:44:06
69 Posted 19/05/2018 at 19:04:12
After a number of years of upheaval I don't think a couple of seasons of consolidation wouldn't go amiss.
I hope we can get the boardroom and non-playing side sorted then steadily build a decent squad over a couple of seasons.
I would reduce the risk on a younger guy though I can see the attraction to some.
Personally I wouldn't mind seeing us speak with Benitez, though to some that would be beyond the pale. However, seeing Morrissey, Harper, Sheedy, Beardsley and Ablett move across well we haven't done too bad have we ?
If has been stated that Silva is a world class coach then I'm sure - for the right money - he wouldn't mind getting a bit of man management experience because there's obviously something he lacks
70 Posted 19/05/2018 at 19:11:46
71 Posted 19/05/2018 at 19:50:08
I don't see Silva as a great risk. Even at some pretty poor teams (Watford and Hull) he had a win rate sufficient to stay up. The one team that he spent a good while with he performed miracles at.
Like Steve Ferns I've been on the Silva boat for a while. At worse I see a coach who will have us playing decent football but struggling for consistency and finishing 10-15th. At best I see our Pochettino, someone who can shape a young, focused team to play good football and get us looking upwards again; I don't think top 4 is very achievable next season but top 6 with some notable scalps and maybe a semi or more in the cup(s).
72 Posted 19/05/2018 at 20:29:15
Jay (#63), not sure what your point is. My point is that some are criticising Moshiri for not pursuing top-name, stellar managers. How are they so sure he isn't?
73 Posted 19/05/2018 at 20:34:55
For me as stated, unless Silva, is a reincarnation of Howard K, then we are unlikely to be the likely or unlikely team to win.
Today, next week, or it could take longer, the powers that be, must decide on the destiny of EFC. The last 30 years of bile, won't be tolerated.
Massive preaeason, is defining for the future.
I hope that the due diligence time, is gonna be worth it.
74 Posted 19/05/2018 at 20:41:32
75 Posted 19/05/2018 at 20:49:38
If you don't ask, you don't get. How do people know we're not asking?
76 Posted 19/05/2018 at 21:14:34
I'm guessing that Moshiri realises he got his recruitment wrong with Koeman and Walsh. I also think that the appointment of Brands may enable Moshiri to focus on the business side of things.
We'll see how it pans out.
77 Posted 19/05/2018 at 21:22:13
78 Posted 19/05/2018 at 21:46:33
I'd be surprised if Moshiri had spoken to no other managers and even more surprised if Brands was unaware or in disagreement with Moshiri's plans.
I too, hope that we are lucky with Moshiri's choice. And that the manager is lucky and competent. About time we had that.
79 Posted 19/05/2018 at 22:20:58
Should be interesting to see the sendoff he gets from the PSG fans tonight. Game starts in a few minutes.
And for you USA fans out there, Emery has given a first league start to Timothy Weah, 18-year-old USA international and son of George. It's on BeIn Sports.
80 Posted 19/05/2018 at 22:27:05
I believe his family still live in the area and his CV and Premier League experience speaks for itself. Would be a great appointment and not a leap into the unknown imo.
81 Posted 19/05/2018 at 22:28:21
Nothing sinister in my reply to you @ 62. Just the 'chronological' effect of the posts in the thread.
I was, in fact, agreeing with you. I clearly referenced Soren as the one claiming it is 'silly' to even attempt to recruit a more illustrious manager.
As with most things on TW commenting on the inner workings of Everton FC, it is pure speculation (by us all!) that Moshiri has approached/has been knocked back/hasn't bothered ('cos it's 'too silly') insert manager's name here.
Now Marco Silva appears to be the preferred candidate. However, as evidenced by the reports this week of Watford playing silly buggers, I would hope as an astute businessman that Moshiri has a contigency plan if, in this foreshortened summer footy wise due to the World Cup, he cannot land his man early.
We cannot repeat the agonising 5 weeks 'twixt Koeman leaving and Allardyce arriving we endured last year. The new man needs the maximum time possible to get to work.
82 Posted 19/05/2018 at 22:30:15
He's got another son, Tynan, on Newcastle's books.
83 Posted 19/05/2018 at 22:41:50
I voted for Emery too, but also like Rafa. I'd be fine with Eddie Howe.
84 Posted 19/05/2018 at 23:18:51
However, home results within the 13 games I looked at included losing 4-1 to Huddersfield (who struggled to score a goal away all season) and 2-1 to Swansea - one of two away wins they managed in their relegation season.
Not great, is it?
85 Posted 19/05/2018 at 23:57:48
Time will tell.
86 Posted 19/05/2018 at 00:39:08
I think he is a person who wants everything go by his way and if/when it does not he goes or the club gets rid of him.
He is not the answer. Of course I will eat my hat and will be happy to be corrected if it works out fine. But now, it really don't feel like right move. Another Martinez, but maybe even worse.
We should try to get one of the big guys, Conte, Ancelotti or Emery. But if they are not available, get Howe or Arteta.
87 Posted 20/05/2018 at 00:50:31
88 Posted 20/05/2018 at 01:02:38
89 Posted 20/05/2018 at 06:07:10
90 Posted 20/05/2018 at 06:47:43
91 Posted 20/05/2018 at 08:07:25
Firstly, his track record of winning trophies and titles is second only to Mourinho and Guardiola. Secondly, he is that lot's ex-gaffer who they hold in high regard and they would hate it seeing him at the helm for us.
We have taken the liver birds off them; we are taking over our famous waterfront... taking their old flame, Rafa, would be a masterstroke in mind games, as well a solid appointment. No-brainer!
92 Posted 20/05/2018 at 08:41:58
We need someone in ASAP to get shut of the deadwood and bring in some quality. Realistically we have 3 weeks till the World Cup and 2 weeks after to get some decent players in.
93 Posted 20/05/2018 at 08:58:19
Jesus, some fans want to stay off Football Manager and join the real world. Go after someone else â€“ have ambition instead of accepting mid-table mediocrity.
94 Posted 20/05/2018 at 09:05:02
95 Posted 20/05/2018 at 09:25:27
96 Posted 20/05/2018 at 10:09:38
Moshiri is proving totally clueless in football politics and practices â€“ so much so that Kenwright will be a loss when he finally gets the chop. And I never thought I'd write that!
97 Posted 20/05/2018 at 10:34:48
Ambition â€“ yes, but let's also not be silly.
98 Posted 20/05/2018 at 10:58:17
All together now! ;)
99 Posted 20/05/2018 at 11:28:20
If you listen to the last Liverpool Echo podcast, Prentice confirms categorically that Simeone's representatives approached us to understand more about Moshiri's project... But we were already determined on Koeman. The rest is history and he might very well have zero interest now, given we yet again demonstrated our stupidity and incompetence.
Lack of ambition cripples us as a club as does our repeated mistakes.
100 Posted 20/05/2018 at 11:36:43
In hindsight, alarm bells should have been ringing when he wrote off Niasse after one morning of training. Ridiculous really.
101 Posted 20/05/2018 at 11:44:22
The trouble will come when results don't go right, as Silva does not unite the fan base in the way we need him to after the debacles of Martinez, Koeman and Allardyce. In fact, I don't even think he excites most supporters.
102 Posted 20/05/2018 at 11:46:31
103 Posted 20/05/2018 at 12:32:16
104 Posted 20/05/2018 at 13:09:47
Can you post a link to the podcast you mention?
105 Posted 20/05/2018 at 14:15:26
Brands knew he was coming to Everton when we first approached Silva; would it be too much of a stretch to say that Silva was his choice, not Moshiri's, and that is why there isn't a lot of talk about other managers? We have a DOF and he has chosen his manager.
When the Silva thing fell through we were only ever interested in a 6-month fill in, which is what Moshiri offered Sam initially. It was only Sam's insistence that got him the 18 months, with Moshiri never intending to keep him longer.
People talk about Moshiri's mistakes; maybe he just had a plan but had to fill in gaps so, being a businessman, he looked at options that would do a job until he got what he wanted. Now, he is getting what he wants.
My only worry would be whether Koeman was a Moshiri or a Brands choice. Because I am sure he was a mistake.
106 Posted 20/05/2018 at 15:38:20
Derek @ 62, Steve Ferns advised him.
William @ 67, thanks mate, the 'Steve Ferns go-to man' stuff was hilarious!
Mike @ 94, good post.
Mark @ 95, just what exactly do you base that assertion on?
Finally, all you Phil Walling bashers out there have very short memories but, as the saying goes, the truth often hurts.
107 Posted 20/05/2018 at 16:40:56
108 Posted 20/05/2018 at 16:51:52
109 Posted 20/05/2018 at 17:15:25
I just listened to it again. Prentice says that it was last summer that Simeone's team approached Everton to understand more about the project. Obviously, Koeman was still held in a good light having qualified for the Europa League and Simeone stayed where he was.
Only at Everton could you go from talking to Simeone in the summer to hiring Allardyce in November!
110 Posted 20/05/2018 at 17:50:18
It rather makes a nonsense of claims that it's 'silly' or an exercise in futility for Everton to even make a play for a manager of Simeone's calibre.
All the more interesting that his representatives approached us.
When Man City first came into money, I am sure the same things were being said about them â€“ what player or manager of any worth would be interested? The owners made it possible to continually upgrade until they now have Guardiola at the helm, playing the wonderful football they do.
Moshiri isn't in their league, but why do so many of our own submissively accept 'we are not worthy', that with the right sales pitch, Everton can draw quality staff, be it manager or players?
If you're gonna dream, dream big. That's how ambitions are realised.
111 Posted 20/05/2018 at 17:57:04
For anyone interested, here is the link.
The reference to Simeone's people approaching Everton with interest in 'the project' comes in around 15m:20s on the recording.
112 Posted 20/05/2018 at 18:00:31
113 Posted 20/05/2018 at 18:02:24
His analysis of Sandro and Klaassen was simply embarrassing. He really doesn't have a clue and can't even be arsed to do the most basic of research despite having all the resources and contacts available to The Echo.
114 Posted 20/05/2018 at 18:03:04
115 Posted 20/05/2018 at 18:21:59
If the next manager does well, it's up to us to keep him, or find a suitable replacement, bearing in mind we'd be more attractive to better managers.
The loyalty some people talk about went with the likes of Labone and Lyons.
116 Posted 20/05/2018 at 18:43:48
117 Posted 20/05/2018 at 18:59:01
Steve @114, made me laugh even louder, from the man who insists Silva is a world class coach based on YouTube videos. (He physically moves them into position)!!
Nothing against you personally, fella, but talk about the pot and the kettle! Beggars belief!
118 Posted 20/05/2018 at 19:08:24
Sure, there's criticism of other parts of his management skills. I myself have questioned his ability to turn things around when the going gets tough. No, not because he can't, but because he only ever had good runs before coming to England. No rocky spells at all at Estoril, Sporting or Olympiacos.
I would argue he didn't have one at Hull, but others point to the run of defeats after relegation was confirmed.
Could he have turned Wardord around? We'll never know. I think to turn things around you need your players believing in you, and if you're seen to be looking at the exit door, then they can't be.
As for Moshiri taking my advice, well I'd have advised him not to go for Koeman, but instead to go for de Boer. So, he's best off listening to others.
I do know for more about Portugal than the Netherlands though, Sporting in particular. Well them and Farense.
119 Posted 20/05/2018 at 19:15:37
120 Posted 20/05/2018 at 19:29:04
So are you suggesting that the very highly paid coach, Silva, is going to work under the lesser remunerated Brands? WBA have tried that one and look where they've finished up!
Whatever the structure Silva will be seen as 'the man at the helm' and will be the one to pay the price for failure â€” although he'll still walk away with a fortune, wherever his team finishes, such is the nonsense of Football 2018.
121 Posted 20/05/2018 at 19:34:12
â— Proven track record as an achiever & winner
â— Vastly experienced
â— Excellent knowledge of the Premier League
â— Excellent knowledge of Everton FC & the fans
â— Can handle pressure
â— Knows and loves the area
â— Has proved at Newcastle he can motivate & develop young players
Over to you, Moshiri & Brands! Hope you're already working on it.
122 Posted 20/05/2018 at 19:42:01
123 Posted 20/05/2018 at 19:46:18
124 Posted 20/05/2018 at 19:48:18
â— Was rs manager
â— Called us a small club
â— Commonly known on Merseyside as the Fat Spanish Waiter
â— After Fat Sam, we don't need another fatty
Over and out.
125 Posted 20/05/2018 at 19:48:28
126 Posted 20/05/2018 at 19:52:11
I find it totally embarrassing that Benitez and Eddie Howe are constantly being put forward by Evertonians and lot of ToffeeWebers. Have some self-respect.
127 Posted 20/05/2018 at 19:53:10
The view from Hull
Assessment of Hull job by Telegraph
Guardian on early days at Watford
Silva working Miracles
Silva is meticulous and diligent
Ladyman in Mail on Silva
Burt from Telegraph asks Silva about man handling players into position in training
Marco Silva Watford Tactical analysis
How far can Silva go in his career?
Everton can strike gold with Silva
Marco Silva Pre Hull tactical analysis
Troy Deeney on Marco Silva
I could go on, but it's been 20 minutes. Article after article, player after player, journo after journo, anyone who bothers to analyse the guy says that he's an outstanding coach, even his critics. But some on here don't bother with research and dismiss the guy purely on a results.
His past results and trophies don't matter. It's what he will do when he comes in. And he is coming in. Some of you will indeed be eating your hat. But if you bothered to find out more, you'd have already known this.
128 Posted 20/05/2018 at 19:57:18
I'm not saying he's a world class manager, or a world class head coach. I'm merely stating that one component part of his ability, that is the work on the training ground, is as good as any manager in the world.
129 Posted 20/05/2018 at 19:58:42
It looks like Silva is one who is being appointed as the new manager. I voted for and would have preferred Benitez for all the points you listed; let's see what happens.
130 Posted 20/05/2018 at 20:04:42
In addition to that, I couldn't see Benitez sullying his "history" with the other shower anyway.
Personally I wouldn't touch him with a bargepole and I don't mind admitting that's due to his association with that lot and the total contempt he held us in when he was with them.
To me, having him as our manager would be like becoming best mates with your "present" wife's ex-husband! Some things are just not natural!
131 Posted 20/05/2018 at 20:08:08
He's no longer working with Pako Ayesteran. The main part of the coaching is actually done by Paco De Miguel Moreno and Antonio Gomez Perez. Whilst Paco Ayesteran's management career has bombed, I have a reservation over Rafa's ability without his best lieutenant. Rafa was never a top coach. His strengths lie in analysis and tactics. Rafa simply watches more tape than anyone and can see weaknesses in opponents to exploit. He relies on others to get that message across to the players on the training pitch.
The RS players didn't say a lot of good things about his man-management skills, however, I actually think the fact that most of them didn't like him on a personal level, actually meant they tried harder for him on the pitch as they sought to win his approval. Perhaps a Martinez style matey approach is not as good as the cold ruthless Benitez approach.
No doubt Rafa has done a great job this season, and is certainly not past it (unlike Ancelotti) but I would ask if he is at his best, and I think not.
132 Posted 20/05/2018 at 20:09:04
133 Posted 20/05/2018 at 20:11:55
134 Posted 20/05/2018 at 20:18:29
Brian, of course Benitez treated us with contempt, the manager of the opposition, same as Joe Royle treated Liverpool with the same contempt, and didn't we all love him for doing it?
I don't think Benitez will get the job and it's possible he doesn't want it. I chose him and would like him to get the position because I think he is an excellent manager, which he has proved over a very long period.
Brian, not to select him because he was once manager of Liverpool is a bit childish in my opinion; would you have rejected Johnny Morrissey and other former players for the same reason?
135 Posted 20/05/2018 at 20:20:49
I don't care about what he may or may not have said. So what if he said Everton are a small club, joke dump of a stadium, Liberace Chairman, no trophy for well over 20 years and never played in the Champions League. What Everton did 30 years ago is... "well" 30 years ago. Maybe he had a point.
136 Posted 20/05/2018 at 20:23:53
His record defensively with both Hull and Watford is really poor. What's particularly concerning to me is that even with a full pre-season and some signings his record defensively with Watford wasn't any better than it was with Hull, in fact it was slightly worse.
We'll see if he can address it but it seems an unnecessary gamble to me.
137 Posted 20/05/2018 at 20:25:23
Well, call me childish, mate. We're allowed our opinions and mine differ from yours. Not going to insult you for that.
138 Posted 20/05/2018 at 20:27:10
Inter - Charity Shield, and World Club Cup (glorified friendlies)
Chelsea - Europa League
Napoli - Italian Cup
Real Madrid - nothing
Newcastle - 2nd flight
It's not the honour roll he once enjoyed, despite some great clubs where he could win major trophies. I would say he's not the same manager he was without Pako Ayesteran as his right hand man and main coach (Rafa ain't a top coach and relies on others).
139 Posted 20/05/2018 at 20:28:29
Since Kenwright, we are a small club with a big history. I've yet to see any evidence of that changing with Moshiri.
I've seen Everton win the League 4 times, the FA Cup twice and the European Cup Winners Cup. I've seen us break the British Transfer record twice: Tony Kay and Alan Ball; the most expensive goalkeeper, Gordon West. All I see now is mediocrity from Kenwright and Moshiri.
140 Posted 20/05/2018 at 20:39:49
141 Posted 20/05/2018 at 20:56:31
Some are absolutely convinced Eddie Howe is the man for the job; others think he shouldn't even be in the conversation. Some want to welcome Benitez with open arms; others are appalled that he'd even be suggested.
So to each their own. Personally, Silva or Fonseca have been at the top of my list all along. And some of the so-called "big names" people bandy about don't excite me in the slightest.
Pellegrini? Maybe if we were filming a remake of Weekend at Bernie's at Goodison. I'm shocked that teh guy can even staypass. awake for 90 minutes.
Ancelotti? Hard Even if you don't buy Steve's assessment of Silva, I think we can agree with his fundamental point that we need someone who'll put in the work on the training pitch. Ancelotti comes off as someone who doesn't want to expend any effort beyond choosing a starting XI.
Benitez? No thanks. I'd rather we forge our own path, rather than relying on the RS's sloppy seconds to achieve something.
142 Posted 20/05/2018 at 20:56:42
143 Posted 20/05/2018 at 21:03:53
What you need to do though, is spice up our achievements during your lifetime.
I always tell people during my lifetime we've won the league 4 times, runners-up once. Won the FA Cup 3 times, runners-up five times. Won the ECWC. Won the Charity Shield 6 times and shared it once. One of only two teams to spend all their time in the top tier during my lifetime (the other being Arsenal). Been in numerous semi-finals. You could then add all trophies won before you and I came into this wonderful planet.
Okay, I know this is all history, and we've done fuck all for 23 years, but I'm a firm believer that what goes around, comes around. I just hope this wheel starts to spin a bit quicker though.
144 Posted 20/05/2018 at 21:05:10
145 Posted 20/05/2018 at 21:19:16
It's easy to shut up a RS fan: start talking about Man Utd. Works every time. Example: RS fan "We're going for Champions League #6". Blue response "And yet Man Utd have 200 million fans worldwide". RS response "Bleep bleep bleep United". Blue response "You call us bitter? Nobody is more bitter than RS fans talking about United". Blue fan moves on. RS fan is still saying "Bleep bleep United"
146 Posted 20/05/2018 at 21:21:45
Jeez, what would we give to win that anytime soon.
147 Posted 20/05/2018 at 21:32:01
No I wouldn't, Dave, but I don't remember Johnny showing what can't be argued was a purposeful insult and a total disdain towards us from Benitez.
I also feel that a "successful" manager from either our club or theirs represents a much stronger affiliation with the club than "most" players.
I couldn't see Benitez even considering Everton, to be honest anyway, but any success we might have I want there to be "absolutely nothing" linking that success with the RS.
Referring to them as the RS is probably childish as well but, to be honest, when you look at what grown men do at the game when their team scores, how they behave when involved with their team and their club's goings on, it could all probably be seen as childish.
Or it could be looked upon that someone's total and unquestionable loyalty to one team, someone's lifelong love and affiliation to that team means that he finds it impossible to feel positive towards a manager so connected with their arch enemy and lifelong torturor.
I want a manager I can really take to and admire, someone whose name I could find myself chanting when he's lead us to some sort of success. That man isn't and never could be Benitez, for me. I don't apologize for that; that's just the way I feel towards him, and them.
148 Posted 20/05/2018 at 21:56:56
149 Posted 20/05/2018 at 22:04:37
Silva has done well in every league he's been in. He almost saved Hull when it was all but impossible and started brilliantly with Watford. After a dozen games there was talk if Chelsea etc wanting him. Any fan would have wanted him then. I'm sure the dynamic changed after he made it clear he wanted to come to Everton. And so what if he did.
We all slated Koeman for barely being interested. Silva sounds like he's work night and day to make the job a success. This is his big chance and we might just benefit from it.
I'm actually very excited about the thought of Silva and Brands next season. Apparently, we are after Zaha â€“ I'd love to see him plus Loftus-Cheek and a bid for the two Celtic players, Tierney and Dembele, with a left-sided defender making up the summer signings. Happy times!
150 Posted 20/05/2018 at 22:09:51
The whole point is to make the manager stronger, not just a coach.
The name 'coach' doesn't do justice to the role the new manager will play. Of course it is massively important to be integral to coaching sessions and hands on. But that is just a part of the job.
Just as important is the personality and ability of the manager to motivate individuals and the team. To understand the psychology of each player and instinctively put them on a trajectory to be the best they can be themselves and for the team.
Of all the analysis of Silva, it is very important to me that past players are still in admiration of him. He seems to have reignited passion and reinvigorated a lot of players in his past clubs. They sound as if they still want to play for him even now.
The man comes across as more than just a coach, he is a motivator who inspires belief and confidence in his players. A man who can nurture a team spirit. Make a team that is more than the sum of their parts.
It's a risk, it's his biggest and toughest job. He has got it all to prove. More so because he wobbled at Watford after our untimely interest.
I'm hoping he has learned his lesson there and will toughen up as a result. The episode may make him a stronger manager and will result in him being more loyal to us if we back him.
If we gamble, Silva could take us all the way.
151 Posted 20/05/2018 at 22:12:35
152 Posted 20/05/2018 at 22:50:41
153 Posted 20/05/2018 at 22:58:34
Then onto Sporting, he's the only manager to win a trophy of note in the last 9 seasons (Sporting just lost in the Portuguese Cup final tonight). This includes the tenure of the excellent Leo Jardim.
Dismiss Greece if you want but his record there is quite simply astonishing. He won 28 of the 30 games. He won the league by a record 30 points, and won a record 17 games. Those are not just Greek records but European records. But he had loads of money you say, no he spent â‚¬5m (euros) and had a negative net spend of â‚¬15m due to having sold â‚¬20m worth of players. He got 7 more points than the previous year despite playing 4 less games, and having sold some of the best players. The season after Silva they got 18 less points. And this season they had 28 less points and finished 3rd. Yeah, any manager can do what Silva did in Greece.
Say what you want about Hull, but for the 18 games Silva was in charge, Hull were 14th and had 5 points more than the teams in the drop. His points pro rata over the season would have kept them up. I think he did a good job there and simply did not have enough time to achieve what was almost a mission impossible. The way he got the players responding immediately shows how his training pitch skills transpired to the pitch.
Watford he was sacked with them in 10th, which would have been their 3rd highest position EVER. He again had them flying from the word go, with his training ground skills coming to the fore.
We can all have differing opinions on what went wrong. So, sure draw your own conclusion to this and the rest. His record stands up to scrutiny with just that 11 game spell before he was sacked as the only sustained period without a win.
It's pretty obvious he's coming now. So just wait and see what happens on the pitch. I think you'll be pleasantly surprised.
154 Posted 20/05/2018 at 22:58:47
Silva looks to be the only horse running in the field. I am sure the Blue Faithful will get behind him, if confirmed. That said, I think there is a great deal of legitimacy in the doubts some are expressing about him. So I take exception to your comment @ 128 that "...some on here don't bother with research and dismiss the guy purely on results."
That is patently untrue given the detail some people post having done their own 'due diligence', gathered the data and read up on the guy.
You claim he didn't have 'a rocky spell' at Hull. Do your research, Steve. Having done (admirably) to give them a sporting chance of avoiding the drop, he lost 5 of his last 7 games. It is an out and out LIE by you to write as you did that "others [only] point to the run of defeats after relegation was confirmed."
In my own detailed post @ 45 I commended him for nearly turning Hull's season around, but also commented where he failed was on not improving their away results. Something the incoming manager at Everton needs to do. In his time at Hull their away results read:
P 9 W 0 D 2 L 7 F 3 A 21 Pts 2 (out of a possible 27). That's half a season of away games. That is out and out relegation form.
You also ask, if given time, "could he have turned Watford around? We'll never know. I think to turn things around you need your players believing in you, and if you're seen to be looking at the exit door, then they can't be."
This conveniently ignores who created the crisis that saw Watford go into meltdown was Marco Silva himself.
As I showed in my post @ 45, following their 3-2 defeat to Everton at GP (when the speculation of Silva to Everton began), they played another 13 games until he was sacked. The record in those 13 games reads:
P 13 W 3 D 2 L 8 F 16 A 23 Pts 11
That's a third of a season. That's conceding at nearly 2 goals a game – another on the 'to do' list for the incoming Everton manager. And two of the three wins came in games 1 and 2 of that sequence, so effectively 1 win in 11 games. That again is out-and-out relegation form.
I really, genuinely hope we strike gold with Silva (should he be confirmed). I am firmly of the belief that nobody - nobody at all - can predict with absolute certainty how a new manager or player will perform at his new club.
However, that doesn't negate the right of people to harbour doubts or, conversely, to confidently predict any newcomer will be the New Messiah who will transform our club.
155 Posted 20/05/2018 at 23:06:56
All I can say is that I believe that we need a top coach to work with the players we have, and Silva has those skills.
As for Hull, why don't you post his home form, which was simply exceptional. I already posted above how over all of the games he oversaw, Hull were 14th in the table for those 18 games and his record, pro rata, would have been enough to keep them up.
156 Posted 20/05/2018 at 23:10:59
That is why his assessment of Silva worries me. Phil, with the greatest respect, on this occasion, if it is to be Silva, I hope you are wrong.
Also, regarding the Harry Lauder link, that wasn't meant as a poke at you. If it came across that way, I apologise.
Listening to the words of that song though â€“ it could become our theme tune. But we will get there in the end.
Regardless of who is appointed, I hope Goodison erupts for him and the team on the first home game next season.
157 Posted 20/05/2018 at 23:37:11
This is demonstrated in your closing paragraph. You deflect from his truly appalling away record with Hull and try to pull me up for 'not posting his Hull home record'.
Read my post @ 45, Steve. I consider it very balanced. It not only acknowledges the success of his previous appointments, I compliment him on improving Hull.
Given the truly woeful away form I flagged in my previous post, that clearly implies he improved their home form.
158 Posted 20/05/2018 at 23:50:11
159 Posted 20/05/2018 at 00:05:25
160 Posted 21/05/2018 at 00:35:54
If not, there is something about Niasse which quite simply changes games. From looking like Bambi on ice, he still makes things happen. He chases down lost causes, wriggles out of seemingly closed situations and creates and takes chances, for himself and others.
I like him. And his story at Everton is a cracker.
161 Posted 21/05/2018 at 01:25:51
162 Posted 21/05/2018 at 01:41:32
So what are his accomplishments then? Trophies? Any European experience? Enlighten us.
163 Posted 21/05/2018 at 02:44:29
Another worry is, since Estoril, he doesn't seem to last long in jobs â€“ being sacked for not wearing a club suit seems too odd a reason to be the whole truth at Sporting.
But if he is the manager in waiting, then I hope he does well and lasts a while longer than his last 4 jobs.
164 Posted 21/05/2018 at 04:57:54
However, I think we now have a different backroom and administrative setup. Previous managers like Moyes could have been asked to show more daring, Martinez more attention to detail and defence, Koeman more appreciation of public relations and dealing with players.
If Silva is the man and he shows some disregard of defensive frailties, then I would hope that the Director of Football might have a quiet word â€“ particularly if, as speculated, he had some part in his appointment. Otherwise, it might appear that all the reorganization has been nothing more than shuffling the deckchairs.
165 Posted 21/05/2018 at 05:44:24
I understand your championing Silva and we will all get behind him the moment he is announced. But, as Jay @ 158 says, you have become increasingly lavish / slavish in your praise and ignored legitimate concerns about his record. He is a risky appointment. full stop... but we all pray it works out.
If you listened to the podcast rather than slagging Prentice off, you will hear that he is not offering a football opinion but sharing the fact that Simeone's representatives contacted Everton last summer to enquire about Moshiri's plans. The point being that Everton could try for a top manager rather than take another risk after Martinez, Koeman and Allardyce. But, if Silva is the man, then he has every Blue wishing him well, even if the majority are not convinced he is the right man.
166 Posted 21/05/2018 at 06:05:18
Then he comes to the attention of Barcelona or Real Madrid, what happens then? Do we, like Watford, go into meltdown?
Like most supporters, I agree that anyone coming here needs luck and support, be it Silva or another; then, I am sure most will give their full backing. However, there's just something about Silva that doesn't sit or sound right.
Apart from Steve Ferns, there have been a number of posters who have expressed their legitimate concerns. Time, obviously, will tell.
167 Posted 21/05/2018 at 06:38:21
With this set of players, the very best Silva will achieve is 7th. Is that the best we wish for Everton FC???
168 Posted 21/05/2018 at 06:52:58
169 Posted 21/05/2018 at 06:53:35
This season, he settles in, gets a decent finish and qualifies for the Europa League before next season doing the Double and winning the League Cup with the kids and squad players then winning the Champions League in his third season before moving to Bramley-Moore with its 75,000 capacity, while Messrs Moshiri & Usmanov throw billions into transfer funds. Why would he want to go to Barca or Real?
Well, I suppose it is nearer his home town but by then Mr Brands will have an improved replacement lined up.
All you need is a little faith! Oh, and a fair bit of blind obedience and a shovel full of sugar which is, after all, what we've been doing for far too long.
170 Posted 21/05/2018 at 07:03:15
One thing I really hope we do not do is give the new manager a long contract. Maximum a 2-year deal. And unless it is one of the top boys, a more realistic salary that reflects the true position the Club are actually in. No problem with performance-related deals but the recent ٤ million a year we've paid the last 2 plus the 5 years we gave Martinez! Ridiculous.
171 Posted 20/05/2018 at 07:10:18
I love Weekend at Bernie's and a Goodison remake could be gold. Where's Pellegrini gone? I think he just popped out to get more daiquiri mix...
172 Posted 21/05/2018 at 07:17:33
Enter men in white coats...
173 Posted 21/05/2018 at 07:44:50
Bigotry wins you neither friends nor trophies.
My first 20 years of supporting EFC were punctuated with trophy wins amongst a lot of attractive play when we weren't winning medals etc.
Since 1987, apart from an unexpected FA Cup success against the Manc RS, we've not really got close to winning anything â€“ perhaps that says we are a small club in terms of success at least? Painful for us all, but may be true?
Pouring our slop and sentimentality (a la Boys Pen Bill) may be very laudable, but doesn't put trophies in the cabinet. It may be great to sit round at Finch Farm and reminisce with the likes of Dunc, Unsy, Ebbrell, Baxter, Jeffers â€“ it achieves nothing for fans now. What we need is a hard-headed professional approach; that's the way to get success. Which I believe is what we both want.
174 Posted 21/05/2018 at 08:22:32
175 Posted 21/05/2018 at 08:29:08
Results will dictate both of the above; if he stinks the house out, we can always call upon Moyes for 6 months then start the merry go round again.
176 Posted 21/05/2018 at 08:32:47
Steve Ferns, I do hope you are proven correct and I will happily eat a large slice of humble pie.
ps: The wife will be happy if we appoint Silva!!!!!
177 Posted 21/05/2018 at 08:40:11
178 Posted 21/05/2018 at 08:44:24
Indeed, I have not mentioned his previous jobs abroad, because they are in no way on the same level as the prem.
If you are working on that basis you could make a case for the likes of bloody Mick McCarthy (who incidentally, and unlike Silva, has won more games than he has lost in every job he has had)
I am only interested in his abysmal record in the premiership. Which is PLD 42, W 13, D 8, L 21. His teams scored 53 goals and conceded 80, which hardly confirms your assertion that he is a brilliant defensive coach.
I have little else to add to what Jay Woods [BRZ] has been discussing with you except to say that in my post @149 the end bit appears to be missing for some unknown reason. I finished by saying that your 'logic' regarding Siva's record indicates to me that you either live in a parallel universe, or are just a wind up merchant.
However, I am sure if he is appointed we will reap what we sow and be having another debate such as this in about 6 months.
So I am gonna leave it now and spend the next six months manipulating facts and convincing myself that Mick McCarthy is the man to take us forward
179 Posted 21/05/2018 at 09:07:56
Incidentally, my West Ham mates are already wondering how long he'd last there!
180 Posted 21/05/2018 at 09:36:02
So is this a good or a bad thing getting football agents working on behalf of football clubs? I can well imagine that it will at some point cause a conflict of interests: What if Riola recommends one of his players and the manager rejects the idea? Or will we have a scenario were players are signed on the say so of a football agent working for the club, with or without the agreement of the manager?
I think it's a bit like letting the fox into the chicken shed and then wondering how come all the chickens have been killed. The money these men make out of football is obscene, and to give them the influence to basically write their own cheques seems madness to me.
181 Posted 21/05/2018 at 10:09:54
Didn't Moshiri spout something about Barkley's agent wanting Koeman signed from Southampton, etc?
182 Posted 21/05/2018 at 10:34:04
Brands will have an input into the managerial selection, he has to work with him. He will know our situation regarding our needs and will hopefully surprise as to who comes in. Could the deafening silence be because Everton have other irons in the fire? Could there be someone else?
Remember those days during Catterick's era when nothing was said, everything was silent until a deal was done and the new player was signed and announced??
Players, manager, it won't be Moshiri's choice alone otherwise it would be pointless having a DOF. Brands I think, will have known some time ago that he was coming here you don't just spot a job in the Dutch Echo and say "fancy going to Liverpool to live?" He will have done his homework regarding our players and our style, he will also have assessed our needs. (He must have been bored watching those videos...)
I wonder if he has seen us live (well almost alive) and got the feeling of The Old Lady. Perhaps, hopefully, he has players out there who can come in and help form a team.
This post, like all the others I've read â€“ and there have been may knowledgeable ones â€“ is pure speculation. It doesn't matter what we think, want, demand or believe... it's like waiting for a baby: It will happen when it happens.
183 Posted 21/05/2018 at 11:04:50
Unless Moshiri is offering mega bucks, they won't come to Everton. As a result, we have to fish in other waters for our managers. I will also back Silva and he may surprise us if appointed.
184 Posted 21/05/2018 at 11:17:00
What a zany world football inhabits â€” and Moshiri is as daft as all of them!
185 Posted 21/05/2018 at 11:26:22
I think we'd all agree that we have more confidence if Brands has his hands around the hiring process than Moshiri, Kenwright, Elstone, Wood and Walsh. So I agree â€” let's just wait and see now.
186 Posted 21/05/2018 at 11:52:27
Whether you are buying or selling, a player who is probably realistically worth £X million in the market, they (agents) get involved, having primed some journos to portray the player as the next Messi, or potentially Roy of the Rovers status.
Next thing, they are talking ١-4 million or more, then that sets a Ratwheel spinning, and it escalates exponentially, as do the agent's fees!
Nine times out of ten, the player turns out to be not even worth £X million. This is the thin edge of the wedge that is gradually destroying football.
Next thing, the agents will have agents, God Forbid.
187 Posted 21/05/2018 at 12:09:18
If we are honest, Everton are no longer a top 6 club. They have not won anything in almost 25 years. We are never going to attract a big name and I'm talking a manager who most people would rank in the top 10 best managers in the world.
With that in mind, I don't want to take someone with a chequered history. Some wins, some losses. I'd rather take a chance on a lesser name but someone with heaps of potential, someone who has already started to make a name for themselves. I'd rather that be a British manager as opposed to a Silva etc.
Therefore my pick would be Howe. He's done an amazing job at Bournemouth. Young, British. Players talk well of him, he seems popular, a good people manager, speaks well, his teams play football, Premier League experience and he's a bloody boyhood Evertonian!
Silva seems to be a done deal, we don't appear to even be interviewing any other candidates? That's a shame. What money on Howe being the No 1 choice after Silva has tried and failed...
188 Posted 21/05/2018 at 12:16:25
189 Posted 21/05/2018 at 12:20:31
I understand your concerns that Everton is rumoured to have 'a special working relationship' with Mino Railoa.
This is the man whose first utterance on becoming Lukaku's agent in early 2015 were:
"If we had met each other earlier, he wouldn't have played for Everton." Link
I think there is plenty of evidence he is not the most ethical of agents to deal with.
To be clear, I am not opposed per se to Everton having 'a special working relationship' with agents. Brian Harrison @ 179 references Jorge Mendes (Ronaldo's agent) who works closely with Wolves and it hasn't hurt them.
If we are to go down that path, someone like Mendes is more palatable than Raiola.
Oh! And did I read recently Lukaku has in fact switched agents and is no longer represented by Raiola..?
190 Posted 21/05/2018 at 12:22:33
I agree, they are parasites, but they hold a lot of power when they have some of the best players in their stable, so maybe this might turn out to be a good deal?
191 Posted 21/05/2018 at 12:30:26
The problem is he'll surely be directing them out of Everton as well. And then which of our homegrown talent will he be signing up and persuading to leave?
Also, Riola himself is a highly controversial character. There's not a pleasant article about him. I'd rather him be kept away from our club. The potential disadvantages outweigh the advantages for me. But perhaps, this is the future and its best we embrace it now?
192 Posted 21/05/2018 at 12:39:12
You know, sometimes it's better to be lucky than good, so let's hope Silva is a lucky manager. And remember, it took Sir Alex Ferguson several years to win something at Man Utd, but the board stuck with him, despite vocal calls for his head from the fans, so let's be patient.
193 Posted 21/05/2018 at 12:45:31
The competition in both those leagues puts both teams way out ahead as the best teams, and Silva's defensive record in the Premier League is poor at best.
We all have an opinion on this, which is what makes football interesting, so mine is no more valid than yours, even based on historical stats.
To my mind, he's a gamble for so many reasons, as we've all done to death on here now â€“ I just hope I'm wrong and he's a success.
194 Posted 21/05/2018 at 12:46:32
195 Posted 21/05/2018 at 12:52:19
196 Posted 21/05/2018 at 12:56:26
And yes, James. Your opinion is just as valid as anyone's. I just question whether all the critics have looked at Silva properly. I say that because it's always two arguments against him: he went down with Hull and he got sacked by Watford winning just one of his last 11 games.
If you know all about the sensational work he did at Estoril, the trophy he won for Sporting (still their only major trophy in now 10 seasons) and the multiple European record-breaking season he had in Greece winning the league. If you read all the details of that. Saw the mechanics of what he did and understand what he can do for us, and then say he's not good enough. Fair play. Too many read the headline and not the details.
197 Posted 21/05/2018 at 13:28:09
His loyalty has been called into question; was David Moyes more loyal or just didn't have a better offer? I don't see that as a concern as the Spurs manager shows you need to match the ambition of players and manager to keep them, simple as that.
Everybody is a gamble. Howard Kendall Mk 2 â€“ you would think the glory days are back but that didn't work out. You just never know.
198 Posted 21/05/2018 at 13:46:28
199 Posted 21/05/2018 at 14:02:00
Whilst you are correct in saying Sporting lost the Portuguese domestic cup final yesterday (and being a follower of Portuguese football and Sporting in particular as you claim, you will be aware of the considerable mitigating circumstances that more than likely impacted on the players in the week leading up to the game), I have to correct you on the following:
"the trophy [Marco Silva] won for Sporting (still their only major trophy in now ten seasons)..."
I'm surprised, as a Sporting follower, you missed the following: 27 January 2018, Portuguese League Cup Final, Sporting 1 Vitoria de Setubal 1, Sporting won 5-4 on penalties.
It doesn't change the Silva debate one iota, but if you are going to continually call out posters for manipulating the data to suit their argument and accuse them of "...reading the headline and not the details" â€“ you really need to be squeaky clean on that score yourself.
Just sayin' like...
200 Posted 21/05/2018 at 14:10:04
Oh, how we've missed him; his worship of' Davey, 'his tales of winding up the reds in his beloved 'Freshy' and his trenchant belief that nothing in football counts if it happened before the birth of the Sky Premier League!
Just occasionally, Doddy has posted in criticism of his hero's successors but now we have Ferns's proclamation of the Second Coming clothed in Silva; perhaps we should prepare for Doddy's return to these columns (albeit named Ferns.) Bring it on, I say!
201 Posted 21/05/2018 at 14:19:44
Silverware is what we all want to see at Goodison, but it's likely we are already beginning to suffer from Silva Wear...
202 Posted 21/05/2018 at 14:25:16
My concerns are based on his personality, and the comments in that vain from Simon Jordan last week. I'm no expert and stats only tell one side of the story..
I'll be delighted if Silva works out and we win games, and none of us have a clue what the future holds.
203 Posted 21/05/2018 at 14:28:57
We've needed a manager who can actually coach for some time and, though I expect there to be some teething issues, I reckon it will be a brighter future.
204 Posted 21/05/2018 at 14:29:37
Lawrence, I would happily have Fonseca, Emery, Jardim, or Nagelsmann. I want to see Everton appoint a talented coach who can work with the players we have. My preference is of course Silva, who I think is the better coach of the lot.
It's easy to be critical. But I think we have lots of reasons to be positive with the money of Moshiri and the potential new stadium. If the appointment goes wrong, then this could all turn to sand. So I'm anxious we get this right.
205 Posted 21/05/2018 at 14:30:50
And I agree that Steve, to whom every cloud has a Silva lining, had better prepare himself for some Silva bullets if things don't work out.
206 Posted 21/05/2018 at 14:41:25
Would he come here? Have we inquired about his services? Has he heard of the project?
Seems the only one is Silva.
207 Posted 21/05/2018 at 14:41:28
Kenwright went this lazy way when he opted for Matinez whilst pretending the likes of Weir and Stubbs were serious candidates. No lesson learned there then... and at least Kenwright knew just a little about the game â€“ and had Broken Leg Whelan to advise him on the right guy!
208 Posted 21/05/2018 at 14:41:56
209 Posted 21/05/2018 at 14:44:08
I've said before (many times) Jesus couldn't make our squad into a top 6 contender never mind Silva.
I hope he does well... but is he an improvement on our last 3 managers? Not to my eyes he's not.
210 Posted 21/05/2018 at 14:56:11
Rom's gonna have some serious fun here after the World Cup.
211 Posted 21/05/2018 at 15:01:03
I've seen nothing to the contrary that doesn't suggest that he's an excellent coach and man-manager.
Have a read of the following, a selection of quotes from ex-players who worked under Silva. All are very complimentary.
212 Posted 21/05/2018 at 15:11:58
It's been 37 years now since Howard Kendall Mk 1 â€“ the last time we employed a winning manager. It's not all about money either, Wenger won the League with a minus net spend.
Since Kenwright has held the reigns, anyone considered for the post had to be a Kenwright sycophant, and never complain to the press about lack of funds, players being sold, club ran like a corner shop... take your pick. We have all been willing conspirators in the 'production', because we have let him set the tone of "Plucky little Everton".
This parochial club of ours was never going to scour the continent for anyone who might upset the cosy boardroom set-up. We now have a chance to break free from the 1970s, and get new people on board, like Brands, like Silva, who can bring some fresh thinking to our approach. They need to be given time and resources. Would Koeman have spent 𧵎k a week on a proven striker, rather than a bench-warmer from Man Utd? Too right he would have. Who brought 'our boy' home again?
They simply have to start by breaking up this retirement home for ex-players though. To me, they constitute everything that's wrong with this club. Giving people a coaching job, regardless of their talent, proves that we are ridiculously sentimental, in a world full of ruthless bastards. Let them go and prove themselves elsewhere, Unsworth, Ferguson, Jeffers et al. If they are good enough, then they have absolutely nothing to fear. I'm sick of seeing failure being rewarded with cushy contracts. It's a symptom of the lack of a winning mentality that wafts through the corridors of Goodison Park.
213 Posted 21/05/2018 at 15:25:45
It won't stop the "I told you so" gang though, unfortunately.
214 Posted 21/05/2018 at 15:30:23
We all have, and are entitled to express, our opinions... but, no matter what those opinions may be, they will have no bearing on the eventual outcome.
Let's hope that Everton make the right decision but, as I've said, we have no control over that. I appreciate that we, as supporters, forced the board's hand over the Sam Allardyce affair but that was a different 'kettle of fish'.
I get my enjoyment now by discussing things that have taken place, rather than things that may, or may not occur. It's also true that I've got more to look back on, rather than predicting things that may, or may not occur.
You'll no doubt be glad to hear that this will be my last word on the subject.
215 Posted 21/05/2018 at 15:30:48
The 'jobs for the boys' syndrome was also allowed to ferment and prosper under Moyes. Remember Neville, Osman and Hibbert given stupidly generous extended contracts in their thirties.
Hibbert in particular started four games in three years and was given yet another contract by the Ginger One.
Then, he had the audacity to moan to the Echo about the club 'not telling him face to face' that his final contract wouldn't be renewed.
You couldn't make it up.
216 Posted 21/05/2018 at 15:38:38
I would start by drawing a line in the sand. No player over the age of 30 is to be given any longer than a 12-month contract. That's after I sacked about 20 hangers-on.
217 Posted 21/05/2018 at 15:44:57
None of you know much about how well Marco Silva will do for Everton. He could be brilliant, he could be terrible, he could be anything in between, but all the evidence we've got is limited, partial, highly contextual and, frankly, entirely inconclusive. Just wait and see who's appointed, hope like hell they do a good job and try not to interpret everything that happens in a way that matches your pre-conceived, and only partially informed, opinion of him.
Otherwise you just sound like a bunch of told-you-so merchants trying to set up your next told-you-so. That is a very easy and cowardly thing to do, especially if you're predicting negatively. Good on Steve Ferns for at least trying to be positive, but I get the feeling this thread is simply the first iteration of something that will be repeated ad nauseum for as long as the next man is in charge.
218 Posted 21/05/2018 at 16:08:16
219 Posted 21/05/2018 at 16:11:12
220 Posted 21/05/2018 at 16:12:21
"I said 'major trophy'. The Portuguese League Cup is not a major trophy."
Sorry, but that's a total cop-out Steve. It is as competitive as our own League Cup, perhaps even more so because the early rounds have mini-leagues so there are multiple games to be played before even reaching the knock-out phase.
Like our own League Cup it is the 'lesser' of the 3 Portuguese domestic trophies, but I'm not going to allow you to continue to claim Silva is the only Sporting manager in 10 years to land a trophy. That is an out-and-out lie, which you have flagrantly chosen to compound in your last post.
You've made a strong and positive case for Silva, Steve. Don't dilute that by trying to negate (deny, even!) irrefutable facts and truths, or dismissing without proper consideration very legitimate counter views being offered.
221 Posted 21/05/2018 at 16:16:51
TW is what it is. You can't attempt to be 'prescriptive' about what people choose to post on â€” and long may that be the case.
222 Posted 21/05/2018 at 16:16:58
The best and fairest way is does he exceed what the bookies expect him to do? The money men do their homework and therefore they are the best measure.
Look at the spread markets for â€˜expected' points to be next May, a total guess â€” 56 points? If he achieves more, he has been a success.
Where are we â€˜expected' to get to in the cups? A semi-final at the very least in one of them?
Importantly, remember this is nothing to do with what YOU expect, it is what is generally expected by neutrals and people prepared to lay bets on the outcomes.
If we exceed that he has been successful, relative to what was expected. As long as we are playing decent football.
Obviously it may not be as successful as we want but it would be a big improvement. The team will have hiccups and poor games, but it is the business end of the season that ultimately counts.
I'm appealing for some kind of unity, backing Silva through the ups and downs of this season. Give him a chance to exceed expectations. Success or failure in whatever form won't be clear until this time next year.
223 Posted 21/05/2018 at 16:27:02
Ruane and Daly â€” come back soon as the Phil-ins from the Wailing Wall don't cut it or the other beheards at all costs. Some people could do with taking a break for a wee while, catch their breath like. Ego street is always open.
Yes, fire away.
224 Posted 21/05/2018 at 16:30:28
I think a reasonable start would help him and us. And most of all, for me, the number of sideways and backward passes dropping by 10% would be a big step forward!
225 Posted 21/05/2018 at 16:39:11
The clubs in Europe don't take the League Cup competition at all seriously. They got rid of it and recently brought it back. It's mainly for the lower sides, as the Portuguese season is 30 games long. The early rounds sees a group system so they can all get an extra 3 games in.
Sporting won one game in the group and then drew there way to the final and even won that on penalties. They even played a number of finals at the Algarve Stadium, a real white elephant. They've never played it at the national stadium since they brought it back. They don't take it seriously at all, Jay.
There's no major team in the Algarve, only Ferense (of Faro) but they're usually in the second tier and get crowds of a couple of thousand. And LoulÃ© who are clinging on in the second tier at the moment. And from what I can see only Gibraltar use it at the moment. I've taken a few trips past it on my bike, great cycling around there.
226 Posted 21/05/2018 at 16:39:36
227 Posted 21/05/2018 at 16:40:16
228 Posted 21/05/2018 at 16:42:21
Whoever the manager is, he will be backed, and given time. He must deliver results though.
229 Posted 21/05/2018 at 16:44:02
Tony (#218), those two activities are not mutually exclusive. In Malibu, he can probably do both at the same time!
230 Posted 21/05/2018 at 16:45:35
231 Posted 21/05/2018 at 16:54:09
Pretty much as expected.
232 Posted 21/05/2018 at 17:00:31
Life really is more fun if you don't take yourself so seriously.
233 Posted 21/05/2018 at 17:06:23
What is the average air speed of a laden swallow?
African or European, either's fine.
234 Posted 21/05/2018 at 17:08:12
Stop pretending you have deep insight into the persona of each and every poster on TW, and more, that you consider yourself qualified to pontificate in a very personal manner as you regularly do.
And you accuse me of taking myself too seriously?
235 Posted 21/05/2018 at 17:09:19
236 Posted 21/05/2018 at 17:11:36
You are not the only one, but 'I have to be heard/right at all costs' can get a bit much. Yes, I don't have to read. But I thought a reminder on how posts can get a bit insipid, and quite frankly, a bit trite might add a bit of colour. Know what I mean...
Just saying, like
237 Posted 21/05/2018 at 17:14:19
Come on mate, it's only opinion, we all have one. Take a walk down the beach pal, it will probably be swarming with Brazilian beauties, down a caprinha and relax man.
238 Posted 21/05/2018 at 17:19:39
Personally, I would measure Silva's success on: at least matching our 8th place finish while having played football that has actually excited us enough to get us off our seats now and then. I would add to that: we must have been in with a chance during the game of actually winning occasionally against the top six rather than accepting defeat before kick off. Lastly, a home derby win.
If he does more than the above, then I think, bearing in mind it would be his first season, most of us would be relatively happy.
I'm not, by the way, saying that the above should be the pinnacle of his, and the club's, aim at the start of next season but, if the above was achieved and we could all see that there was actually a progression plan, then I don't think we'd have a lot to moan about... although some of us most definitely would moan. :-)
239 Posted 21/05/2018 at 17:20:29
Of course mate, who from our era (and beyond) isn't?
240 Posted 21/05/2018 at 17:22:33
Silver Fern (Cyathea dealbata), also known as punga, is a species of medium-sized tree fern, endemic to New Zealand.
Silva Ferns (Cycletus debatus), also known as pundit, is a species of cheerleader for specific managerial candidates, endemic to ToffeeWeb.
You are a genus unto yourself.
241 Posted 21/05/2018 at 17:24:43
242 Posted 21/05/2018 at 17:29:52
243 Posted 21/05/2018 at 18:07:38
244 Posted 21/05/2018 at 18:29:20
Everton's next manager: Bookies cut Marco Silva odds, David Moyes 2nd favourite...
245 Posted 21/05/2018 at 19:16:17
246 Posted 21/05/2018 at 19:23:50
Bang on the money.
247 Posted 21/05/2018 at 19:25:53
More chance of Elvis doing the half-time entertainment.
248 Posted 21/05/2018 at 19:30:44
249 Posted 21/05/2018 at 20:46:20
250 Posted 21/05/2018 at 20:52:10
Be careful now, remember many Evertonians wanted David Unsworth as manager. The fact that he's gone back to the U23s says it all.
251 Posted 21/05/2018 at 20:52:25
252 Posted 21/05/2018 at 21:05:48
"(John) you can't attempt to be 'prescriptive' about what people choose to post on." (#221).
Then again, maybe Allardyce's weird pronouncements were infectious to some.
253 Posted 21/05/2018 at 21:16:47
This is a hard-nosed professional business and Everton Kenwright decades are not. Still let's all be one big blue family as the Reds win No 6 on Saturday.
254 Posted 21/05/2018 at 21:21:02
255 Posted 21/05/2018 at 21:28:41
As I said, Arteta must know something to be employed by one of the most successful managers ever in Pep. I only suggested Unsworth if Arteta hasn't got as much about him defensively but that could be unfair on Arteta as his playing style could have nothing to do with his tactical nous.
If Silva comes, I'll support him 100% but I have my doubts over his record, both in terms of winning and staying power.
256 Posted 21/05/2018 at 21:38:47
My first (realistic) choice would always be Rafa, but sadly for anything near the top mangers Everton won't be first choice, or indeed any choice. My real first choice would be Diego Simeone, but that is fantasy talk and will never happen.
257 Posted 21/05/2018 at 21:43:45
258 Posted 21/05/2018 at 22:01:01
Makes you wonder whether he has been interviewed on the quiet.
259 Posted 21/05/2018 at 23:19:59
Give a dog a bone, eh?
260 Posted 22/05/2018 at 00:43:38
Have a "nice" day!
NB, a great deal of what you say about Everton Football Club, rather than its fans, in my opinion, hits the bull's-eye, as does Darren Hind.
261 Posted 22/05/2018 at 11:46:45
Imagine an evening game at Goodison. Squeezing out a 1-0 win vs the RS. The entire crowd bursting into a chorus of "Follow, follow, follow "
Stuff dreams are made of.
262 Posted 22/05/2018 at 12:23:38
He is highly rated, has proven he can do it at two Premier League clubs... albeit with some improvements to be made, and during shit periods.
As I have said before, Pochettino at Spurs was unproven, but had done enough to show that, with better resources, he could do something special. Silva has that edge, I think.
Both Hull and Watford are awful football teams, bar one or two players, but he had them working and playing decent football. And his record abroad shows someone with ability. He's only 40, so there is much potential also.
Arteta would indeed be an exciting proposal, but a complete jump into the unknown. The next Guardiola or the next Steve McClaren / Gary Neville?
Pellegrini is old, pretty much ambitionless, and in the Premier League what did he do? Won the league with Man City's billions, hardly proof he could make us and our odd shaped squad a top quality side. His good work at Villarreal was what, 10+ years ago?
263 Posted 22/05/2018 at 13:19:44
This thread has been running for 4 days on the hottest topic related to Everton.
It has had multiple posters, full of diverse opinion, well-structured, well-argued, carried out in a very civil manner. It has been overwhelmingly informative and educational, for those with the mind and inclination to read the posts.
Mid-afternoon yesterday, there was some 'clucking' by a handful of posters. They contributed nothing - nothing at all - to the theme of the thread. Their posts were ad hominem in nature, sniping at individual or unnamed posters.
Ever seen One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest Don? The scene where McMurphy watches on in amazement during one of the manipulative Nurse Ratched 'therapy' sessions in which all the patients start sniping at each other? After the session ends, McMurphy describes them all as 'chickens at a peckin' party'.
There was a similar flurry of feathers by a 'count on one hand' number of posters on here for a few posts. As already stated, they contributed nothing at all to the debate, just joined a peckin' party.
This included Gary Russell (and I say the following not to denigrate Gary but as a true statement: before yesterday I had never seen his name. I have absolutely no recall of anything he has ever posted on TW). Mike Gaynes. Mike Allison and (in passing) John Pierce and John G. Davies. And of course we can throw your name into the mix.
When (very mildly and mockingly) pushed back, there was some nervous clucking in response before all disappeared back into the roost.
As for your first post in the thread, hours after the brief peckin' party, you once again display your hypocrisy, conceit and deceit.
Any contribution to the thread topic by you Don? Nope!
In replying to me you state: "I'm of the opinion that being personally critical of fellow Toffees on TW is beyond the pale. In my opinion it smacks of know-all, yada-yada-yada conceit within the critic and is, frankly, boring. I don't think I'm the only one to think so either, even on this thread."
Putting aside the evident hypocrisy of your first post which drips with 'beyond the pale' personal criticism of a fellow TWer, if you are sincere and consistent in that belief, why don't you take issue with those who were personally critical of me? (Rhetorical question - I already know the answer).
Then we have the deceit of your post @ 252 which is a devious misrepresentation of my short and brief post @ 221, which only the deviant can portray as you attempt to.
I think it is safe to assume that for you Don, personal criticism of a fellow TWer is only 'beyond the pale' if you feel an affinity with said TWer. If it's someone you dislike, shoot the fecker!
Finally, the conceit, once again you presume to assume the role of the Harbinger of TW Morality.
As I've told you before Don, I am very self-aware of how I am perceived on TW. Resented. Mocked, Ridiculed. Boorish, etc, etc. Whatever. That's for others to deal with. Me? I'm comfortable with what I write and how I present my opinons.
And therein lies the fundamental difference between thee and me Don. You have no self-awareness of your frequent hypocrisy, conceit and deceit, nor of the bilious nature of your own self-serving, self-righteous posts.
264 Posted 22/05/2018 at 13:26:35
265 Posted 22/05/2018 at 13:30:49
Then again, in the words of another Jack Nicholson character:
"The truth?! You can't handle the truth!"
266 Posted 22/05/2018 at 14:09:58
In the meantime, as we're on the subject of Jack Nicholson characters.
267 Posted 22/05/2018 at 14:59:33
He was a good footballer but has yet to prove his managerial ability and needs to cut his teeth in the lower leagues before getting a Premier League gig.
I understand Sarri may be available. Now that would be a step up from Silva.
268 Posted 22/05/2018 at 15:02:01
269 Posted 22/05/2018 at 15:05:45
Eddie Howe â€” You must be joking. His defence makes Martinez's look like it had Maldini in it. They concede some truly atrocious goals.
Silva all the way if those two are the extent of the alternatives.
270 Posted 22/05/2018 at 15:12:00
271 Posted 22/05/2018 at 15:16:46
At least he went out smiling. Do you think he viewed himself as "Resented. Mocked, Ridiculed. Boorish"??
272 Posted 22/05/2018 at 15:22:57
When people mention names like this, makes me realise how much we fall for the "Premier League â€“ best league in the world"â„¢ Sky propaganda. That a manager of a team that regularly competes 2nd in the Italian league would happily move to Everton, just because we are a Premier League team.
Our current level is Howe, Dyche, Silva â€“ managers from 2nd-tier leagues.Of that level, I think Silva is the best option.
273 Posted 22/05/2018 at 15:46:03
274 Posted 22/05/2018 at 16:27:47
275 Posted 22/05/2018 at 16:44:26
"Do you think Sarri would go from Napoli to Everton? He would go to a team that plays at the top end of the football table, with regular European football. That is not Everton. When people mention names like this, makes me realise how much we fall for the "Premier League â€“ best league in the world"â„¢ Sky propaganda. That a manager of a team that regularly competes 2nd in the Italian league would happily move to Everton, just because we are a Premier League team."
When people mention names like this, makes me realise how much we fall for the "Premier League â€“ best league in the world"â„¢ Sky propaganda. That a manager of a team that regularly competes 2nd in the Italian league would happily move to Everton, just because we are a Premier League team."
Fran, you make a good point. I do not believe that Sarri will come to Everton. He's one of them dream appointments I thought completely unrealistic. But that was me forgetting who Maurizio Sarri is. The guy is not normal. I think it's best to describe him as an eccentric. However, I'd go for nutjob. He's a unique individual.
First of all there's his background. He's a banker. He loved football and played to a decent amateur standard, but his day job was as a successful banker working in London (good English) and all over Europe. Then at 40 he packed in playing and moved into coaching. He then got offered a management position and Mr Bonkers quit a high paid bankers job to be a very low paid low level football manager, well into his 40s with little to no chance of ever making the top.
He was actually a top coach and raced up the divisions quickly, and got a job in Serie B. His record was then unremarkable. He had a win ratio of 31%, then dropped to Alessandria in the third tier, as he couldn't get another second tier job. He then had Sorrento flying and jumped to Empoli after less than half of a season (shades of Silva?) and then at Empoli he took them to Serie A and kept them in the division against the odds. He didn't do so by spending money or playing defensive football. He did so playing kids and has-beens. This then got him the Napoli job. Naples is a big city, and Napoli are famous for being Maradona's side and he took them to the title twice. The reality is that they're not really a big club in Italy (well behind Juve, Milan, Inter, Roma, Lazioâ€¦ ) and so despite having had some moderate success with Benitez and a star player in Higuain, expectations are unrealistic. To guide them to 2nd and to challenge for the title, playing great football and using a lot of young talent shows what a great coach Sarri is.
I would prefer a young hungry manager. Sarri is a lot older, pushing 60. However, I don't want older managers because they lack energy, their ideas are stale and predictable. Just look at Pellegrini and Allardyce. Even a top trophied manager in Carlo Ancelotti has had these accusations thrown at him, by his own players (at Bayern). Sarri is hungry, he's only just made the big time, his ideas are new, and no one knows what to expect from him. He's also completely bonkers. He doesn't like the transfer market (he calls it the refuge of the weak).
Now being completely bonkers, and considering a job at Zenit, is it really inconceivable that Everton cannot sell the club to him and to get him to return to England and have whatever he wants here to leave a lasting legacy? He'd love the academy. He'd love the facilities. He'd hate the weather, but let's throw in all the cigarettes he can smoke and lift any smoking bans at Finch Farm (he's a well known chain-smoker).
Caveat: I do not watch much Italian football outside of James Richardson's show on BT, but Sarri is a fascinating character, and so I have read a lot about him and his methods. That is unlike Silva who's teams I have watched a lot of.
276 Posted 22/05/2018 at 17:09:00
Oh, I forgot, Messer Moshiri gave The Watford Joke the job months ago!
277 Posted 22/05/2018 at 18:02:22
He showed a lack of respect to the Everton fans during the FA Cup Quarterfinal in which he scored a penalty. In reading Osman's book, it is mentioned how Hibbert almost knocked him out based on his crappy attitude in training in the season before he left.
For all these reasons, I don't believe you will get full commitment out of him; he isn't what I would term an Everton Manager.
Martinez, for his faults, always talking up Everton whereas Arteta always seemed to think Everton was beneath him. I remember two interviews with him: one when he arrived and he said Everton was a "small family club"; and another when he commented on our 5-0 defeat in Benfica when he said while watching on TV he was "embarrassed". I don't want him!
278 Posted 22/05/2018 at 19:56:33
"Alluding to mental health and straight jackets reminds me of Jack Nicholson's McMurphy in 'One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest' recognizing how the evil Nurse Ratched manipulates patients by making them turn on each other as a way to emasculate and control them.
McMurphy describes the process as "a bunch of chickens at a peckin' party."
And that's what so many of threads such as this degenerate into.... loads of squawking and clucking by an angry flock, trying to outdo the others in their indignation and condemnation.
Tim Howard's had a shit season. His interview quite rightly is being challenged by some. But many comments and observations are waaaaayyyyy OTT IMO and says a great deal more about the mindset of the posters than that of TH or any other player lambasted on this pages in a similar vein in recent weeks."
For what it's worth Jay, you were speaking as I do about those who lambast fans. Funny old world in'it?
279 Posted 22/05/2018 at 20:42:27
Why not? Emery is going to Arsenal and the Premier League is seen as the best league in the world.
Everton historically have been far more successful than Napoli. So why not?
280 Posted 23/05/2018 at 08:56:40
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