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Silva could be unveiled early next week

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Updated Marco Silva will hold further discussions with Everton this coming week as he moves closer to being confirmed as the Blues' new manager.

According to The Telegraph, the 40-year-old will travel to Merseyside for talks in the hope that his appointment can be announced "sooner rather than later".

The report claims that negotiations are already at an advanced stage but MailOnline suggest that matters are more or less settled and he could be unveiled "early next week".

Silva has an ongoing legal battle with Watford over unpaid wages and the Hertfordshire club have lodged a formal complaint against Everton for their initial approach for the Portuguese in November but neither issue would prevent the Blues from hiring him if, as looks to be the case, he is the chosen man to succeed Sam Allardyce.

Original Source: The Telegraph  


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Tony Abrahams
1 Posted 19/05/2018 at 07:31:52
Every time we get a new manager it's a gamble, and it seems very rare, for us to ever land that gamble, so on that basis, all we can do is hope and pray I suppose.

Looks like this decision was made months ago, so fair play to Moshiri, for sticking to his original plan, but I hope he's done more than due-dilligence on a manager who could be absolutely anything

Derek Knox
2 Posted 19/05/2018 at 07:47:23
Tony, spot on with your opening statement, but surely going for a proven winner is less of a gamble.

I see West Ham have been quick to get Pellegrini, a good Manager who has proved he can do it.

I have this gut feeling that we could do a lot better than Silva, I feel he represents more of a gamble than many others we could get.

No doubt he has potential, but how many times have we said that about players over the years, and they have ultimately been a let down ?

I am glad they are not rushing into this appointment, now whether they are looking at other candidates too, or just concentrating the contractual baggage claims by Watford remains to be seen.

Salim Rehman
3 Posted 19/05/2018 at 07:52:38
If it is Silva I will back him, however I wanted/want Pellegrini, Rafa or Conte definitely not Howe..not proved anything with Bournemouth apart from keeping them up but so has Woy at Crystal Palace.
Eugene Kearney
4 Posted 19/05/2018 at 08:08:03
Fingers crossed.

I'd have chosen Pereira when we took on Martinez, so...

I'll back Silva if he is chosen to be the one !!!

John Keating
5 Posted 19/05/2018 at 08:09:41
I read on various threads of giving the younger named candidates "a chance" "take a punt on him" "risk worth taking" "potential" etc etc

Surely after years of instability and upheaval right now is the time to steady the Club and appoint someone who is less of a risk.

Surely a couple of seasons of solidity and getting things set up and sorted would be far more beneficial to the Club rather than continuing with the day to day decision making we seem to have experienced since Moyes left.

John McGimpsey
6 Posted 19/05/2018 at 08:34:53
Aim high or get mediocre in return.

Shot in the dark but what about Jose's Number 2? Hasn't he left and wants that step up to management?

But seriously, Brands must have a massive input or the whole thing will not fit.

Brian Williams
7 Posted 19/05/2018 at 08:36:38
The thing that concerns me is the fact that "further talks" are required.
If talks have already been held why couldn't a deal have been signed, sealed and delivered?
Does this point to "him" not being 100%?
I know people will say these things take time etc etc but they always seem to take MORE time when Everton are involved.
Does it mean there's somebody else being looked at?
Personally I hope so.
Michael Mcloughlin
8 Posted 19/05/2018 at 08:37:25
If Everton appoint Silva great. He appears to be a decent Manager/Coach and I think he will do well with Brands. But I am astounded there only seems to be him in the mix for a job which will pay between £4 and £6 million a year, maybe more. Why does it always appear we are a most unwanted desperate club ? It's clear the club is moving onto better things and people are being put in place for the challenge ahead. Ok we are not in Europe next year, which for me is a positive, but you would imagine there is an up and coming good manager who would want to be part of the future at Everton.
Stephen Davies
9 Posted 19/05/2018 at 08:42:00
Michael #7
Like who exactly?
Tony Abrahams
10 Posted 19/05/2018 at 08:44:17
Already some sense being talked and so there should be, because this next appointment is massive. A proven winner? Makes loads of sense, as does getting some stability back into the club.

But we are talking about a club who haven't won anything for over 23 long years, mostly because we had an owner, who had to watch every penny, and so hatched out a plan, that made it look like coming best of the rest was success..

Silva, might just turn out to be a proven winner, or maybe it will end in tears once again? If you don't want him, you can point to his relegation with Hull (unfair-imo) or his poor win ratio since he came to England, but if he's someone you want, you can point to his decent record in both Portugal and Greece.

I want a younger manager, because I feel he might connect better with our younger players, but others might want an experienced fella, and don't think are kids are good enough just yet?

Again I will say, that it's always a gamble, but even if Moshiri, gets it wrong again, (Hopefully not) at least he's trying to make us better, or maybe I'm wrong because if things do go wrong, people are always going to say, that we never should have went for him in the first place!

Steve Ferns
11 Posted 19/05/2018 at 08:48:45
Pellegrini is a big risk. Sorry to be ageist but hes old. Age is not the issue really but he's tired. He's not the guy he was. And he was never a world class coach. We need a world class coach.

Of all the guys linked only Silva is a world class coach, although Emery isn't far behind and Fonseca isn't bad.

Whoever we get is a gamble. Pellegrini with his standoffishness snd grandfatherly ways could be a revelation or it could be a disaster. My thoughts is that the team needs energy. If the guy in charge is full of energy then the team follows suit. Those lacking the energy will be discarded.

Rafa has had a good season. But his football is shite. In his hey day, he used to lean on Paco Ayesteran to do his coaching. That guy was a world class coach (but a terrible manager) and without him Rafa ain't Rafa at his best.

Conte would never come. He's still in a job. He's on twice what we'd offer him and he'll get close to that in his next job and champions league football. We can't entertain him.

If we can get Emery, great. But I still think he's out of reach and for pure coaching Silva is better. Emery will demand CL football and I think if he can't get it now, he'll wait for the first big job to come up in a few months time and he'd be favourite for that.

Nagelsmann is still at Hoffenheim. He's a world class coach. Great innovator. Full of youthful energy and ideas. He'd be perfect as well.

We need that energy and coaching. We need to reinvigorate the side. I believe it Will be Silva. Moshiri has chased too hard now to give up and look a fool. Silva will have told Moshiri he can get a tune out of the present squad and will need only a small amount of cash for new players.

Len Hawkins
12 Posted 19/05/2018 at 08:52:50
"A proven winner" yeah right betting shops are full of winners who don't know when to give up eventually they become "losers".
I would assume City got shut because they didn't think he could go any further with them. Do we want to emulate City or not? The only thing certain if we signed Pellegrini is that Tiny Tears would be able to do one of his tearful obituaries before long.
I'd much rather have a young up coming manager that can show his players what he wants on the training pitch not someone who has to be wheeled out in a bath chair and tell someone what to show them.
Finch Farm would be a bucketless area just in case Manuel kicked one.

Que!

Jerome Shields
13 Posted 19/05/2018 at 09:06:35
Silva is a gamble; Brands needs to be very much involved in the process. Silva is not a shoo-in for the job, though the media give that impression he is.

Everton are bound to be looking at other choices. It depends on the quality of those candidates that are putting their names forward. There lies the problem: Everton have not the draw they once were for attracting the top managers and structurally and squad-wise they are a basket case. The manager's job at Everton is a big job, because it is a difficult job and the Club needs a complete overhaul, not because we are a Big Club anymore.

Brands is the calbre we need; it will be difficult to get a manager of similar calibre. Sure, Silva will want the job. He is unemployed and was stupid enough to get himself in that position. He would love the big wages, who wouldn't. But is he of the right calibre. There are questions whether he is are not.

With the required targets and the money involved, Everton need to be sure of that. They haven't go it right in the passed. Hopefully Brands has a say in the decision. The rest of the Board haven't a clue. Silva is pre Brands.

James Hughes
14 Posted 19/05/2018 at 09:07:01
Assuming that Brands has had his input on this appointment. All the candidates being mentioned do not fill me with confidence. If Silva is going to cause us aggravation then give him a miss.

West Ham are welcome to Pellegrini, he won nowt at Real Madrid, despite spending £80m on Ronaldo. His record in general isn't great-
Manuel Pellegrini has managed 690 games for 4 club(s) and has 2 honours to his name.

Honours: League Cup 2013-14, Premier League 2013-14 with Manchester City.

Brian Williams
15 Posted 19/05/2018 at 09:14:16
Steve you're stretching things, to say the least, calling Silva a world class coach at this stage.

World class goes on results and achievements not on seeing videos of how he works etc.

Using Greece and Portugal is hardly a realistic yardstick either.

I know you favour Silva and you've been banging the drum for him for some time but to call him a world class coach at this point undoes any "sensible" arguments you put forward mate.


Steve Ferns
16 Posted 19/05/2018 at 09:19:32
I'm talking about coaching in the training pitch sense. If I didn't make that clear enough, I apologise.

As a coach, Silva is recognised as nothing short of outstanding. Try to find an article that says he's anything but. His coaching skills are superb.

Tony Everan
17 Posted 19/05/2018 at 09:23:00
Time will tell, let us see how Pellegrini and Silva compare at the end of next season.

Between those two I would choose Silva every time.

Between Silva and Emery is a whole different matter.

Between Silva and Simeone it is a no brainier.

Trouble is managers at the level of Emery and Simeone are looking for something else. They will want a champions league club and huge transfer guarantees at their stage of career.

Whilst we think our club is the greatest on earth elsewhere in Europe we don't register. Only the wages do.

Silva is a gamble but he wants to come, wants the project is hungry and it is the right time in his career. He is forty and coursing with energy and determination.

Everton can bear the fruit of all Silva's qualities.

It's a gamble but he is the best gamble . He is the right man at the right time.

Steve Ferns
18 Posted 19/05/2018 at 09:29:05
My preference is for a top level coach. Someone who can sort things out on the training pitch without the need to spend another £200m+

Make no mistake, Everton pay those bills not Moshiri. As someone else said recently, he's not Santa Claus. So I would like to see a return on our investment and someone talented enough to mound a team from all of our expensive flops, because it can be done.

I think Silva is actually the best coach out of the lot. But I'd be very happy with Emery, Fonseca or Nagelsmann. Emery I don't think we have a chance of getting.

West Ham got turned down by everyone. Lecisester are scared of sacking puel now as they have seen the struggles to get a new guy in. So we have to be realistic.

Tony Everan
19 Posted 19/05/2018 at 09:34:20
I think Leicester wanted Silva but he told them he prefers us. Also, I think Fonseca signed a new contract with Shakhtar because he knows Silva is a done deal. Similarly, I think Fonseca and Silva didn't want the West Ham job either , they were probably sounded out.

Benitez continues to poll 20%+ more votes than Silva after nearly 7000 votes. Could they talk to Rafa? , ex RS , slagged is off ...but still 20% more popular than Silva .

James Marshall
20 Posted 19/05/2018 at 09:41:05
We should be looking to appoint a low-risk manager with a proven track-record in my view. Silva looks like a bottler, and Simon Jordan's (ex Palace Chairman) comments on him have really made me think twice about him.

I met Simon Jordan a few times through friends, and he's a decent bloke who I always got on with, so maybe my view on his comments are slightly skewed, but I already had my own doubts before reading what he said.

Silva doesn't seem like he has much of a stomach for a fight, and carries around a Mourinho-esque ego by all accounts. Not something Evertonians are terribly keen on in their managers eh?

He also bottled it at Watford once he knew there was outside interest, not a good sign in my view.

Everton needs stability at this point in time, though I also understand they're looking to appoint someone to be 'part of the project' so perhaps an older head doesn't fit that mould. Silva is at least young and modern in his thinking (the polar opposite of Allardici) which fits in that regard.

Anyone is a gamble as others have said, I just think Everton should be looking to someone that balances out the risk a bit better than Silva.

To put it bluntly, I don't trust him.

Phil Walling
21 Posted 19/05/2018 at 09:49:34
How our once big club can see this 'no mark' as the only candidate alarms me !

His record in the Premier stinks and all those honours he claims were in second grade leagues. Just what qualifies her with the long name to be part of the process I have no idea but I guess somebody will provide a list of questions that might just have something to do with football.

This may be the start of a brave new world -just have one candidate on the shortlist- but it will end just as the projects of Martinez and Koeman did. Abject failure !

Anthony Murphy
22 Posted 19/05/2018 at 09:56:58
West Ham should have backed Moyes - right now, he is a good fit IMO. Back to us, I'm excited by Silva and can only presume that Brands has been fully compliant in this as we have chased him for a while too - which gives me confidence in this choice.

As I've said on here before, I would have liked for us to sound out Emery as I think he would stabilise, excite and energise the fan base, but maybe the timing just isn't right.

If for whatever reason Silva doesn't happen (it will) I would be happy with Wenger in the short term to bring a bit of stability and get us heading in the right direction, but let's get behind this young manager - he needs to welcomed and given time by us all.

James Marshall
23 Posted 19/05/2018 at 10:02:38
Anthony - although we all know it isn't going to happen, Wenger was my choice in the TW vote because he's safe. He plays football the right way, and was instrumental at Arsenal during their new stadium transition. That to my mind would have made him an excellent choice for us for a few years to steady the ship and help build the club up.

Seems hugely unlikely now though.

Laurie Hartley
24 Posted 19/05/2018 at 10:05:21
Perhaps he isn't the only candidate Phil. Maybe Brands has got different ideas - the more I think about this the more I hope so.
Brian Williams
25 Posted 19/05/2018 at 10:08:41
Steve#14.
Steve no need for apologies mate but I still maintain "world class" comes from achievements and that's something we'll have to wait and see about.

All the positive articles in the world, all the videos showing how wonderful he is on the training pitch mean nothing unless/until they're translated? into winning lots of football matches and challenging for honours.

Tom McEwan
26 Posted 19/05/2018 at 10:15:17
Steve @10, why oh why do you keep promoting the idea that Silva is a 'world class coach'? If he is, then he must be a pretty poor communicator because the players he had at both clubs took his 'world class' coaching on to the pitch and managed to win only 13 of 42 games.

That's TWO sets of players btw, not just the poor 'unfortunate' Hull lads. This myth about how well he did at Hull just doesn't stand up to the facts. He had 18 games there that's one less than half a season to save them and he didn't.

If its true we 'turned his head' at Watford then shame on him for letting his players, employers and loyal fans down. After all, we all know how it feels to spend your hard-earned and be treated like you just don't matter, don't we?

I am made up with what the club has done this week but the appointment of Silva would all feel a bit 'Martinesque' to me. Where the myths surrounding the man far outweigh the facts.

No, I am with Simon Jordan on this one when he said, 'Marco Silva's reward for failing at the business end of the season with Hull and being a typical disingenuous, disloyal slob at Watford is to get a big job at Everton. Maybe they will reap what they sow'.

Jimmy Hogan
27 Posted 19/05/2018 at 10:17:09
Phil #19, I'll settle for 7th and playing attractive football. We can push on from there.
Simon Temme
28 Posted 19/05/2018 at 10:22:36
Whilst I understand the claims for stability in selecting the next manager they seem at odds to where we are right now.

After a purge at board and management level we are on a different tangent than two weeks ago.

Hopefully stability has already been achieved by appointing a talented DOF who is very aware of the challenges we face as Moshiri 's ambitious plans for the club get rebooted.

A young, ambitious coach that is able to work within a DOF structure is clearly what is needed if we are mould the current squad we have Into something more than the sum of it's parts.

For those of you wanting a manager who is stable then who do you want?

Hughes, Allardyce, Moyes, Warnock etc.

We only have to look at Wolves and see what a young ambitious coach within the right framework can do.

Len Hawkins
29 Posted 19/05/2018 at 11:32:26
"No-mark"? Yes he's probably a no-mark who has had the rub of the green, building sides to become champions in two countries. This no-mark has more chance of taking Everton to the top than some of the lemon-sucking dreamers on here who expect Guardiola becoming manager.
Tony Abrahams
30 Posted 19/05/2018 at 11:53:15
Reap what we sow, is what we did with Timmy Cahill, who only joined Everton, because the Palace chairman Simon Jordan, refused to deal with his agent.
John G Davies
31 Posted 19/05/2018 at 12:11:27
For far too long, we have been the nice friendly club.

"They don't win trophies or beat the big clubs but they do run the club like a proper old-fashioned club. Always do it by the book do Everton"

Well overdue that we have ruthless business men in charge of the club. Get Silva and give Watford nothing.

Darren Hind
32 Posted 19/05/2018 at 12:19:12
Brian, you are right, of course.

The guy has been relegated with one team (something a world-class coach would have avoided) and been given the last card in the pack by another. Hardly a ringing endorsement.

Silva's preferred formation is now as old as the hills. He does offer a more adventurous version and this may be something we can encourage and support, but this is getting silly now. To describe a guy as world class based on a few reports from tactical websites and couple of videos shows a rare degree of naivety.

This is not Football Manager — it's real and it's our club were are talking about.

It would appear that Silva is Moshiri's choice. Fair enough, let's give him his chance, but this non-stop stream of daft claims are an insult to the intelligence of anyone who understands the game.

Silva's still young and learning his trade; hopefully he will develop into a very decent coach, but thus far, he has only ever known failure on these shores and he needs to turn that around just to prove he is Premier League class.

People need to ask themselves this: if Silva is world-class, or even top-class... Why didn't he fancy his chances of bringing Hull straight back up? How come he was given the push by a poxy club like Watford? More to the point, why is he still out of collar?

Tony Everan
33 Posted 19/05/2018 at 12:27:34
Only 3 managers on the poll probably want the Everton job: Benitez 15%, Howe 14%, and Silva 12%.

Emery will want a Champions League club. Arteta wants Arsenal; we'd be sloppy seconds. Wenger said he doesn't think he'd manager another English club; PSG or Similar would suit him. Ancelotti won't come to a mid-table ‘project' club at his age, Van Gaal and Conceicao... not worth mentioning.

If the board want guaranteed safety until we get into the new stadium, they may well go for Benitez. Although I want Silva, I'd get behind either of the other two and be confident they could do well.

Paul Birmingham
34 Posted 19/05/2018 at 12:49:51
I'd like to believe that Brands, based on his experience, is having an input along with Moshiri on the profile of the manager as a coach, motivator, inspiration, and communicator as well as excellent PR skills.

Lessons of the dark days of last season must be learnt, and we can't go there again.

Brian Ronson
35 Posted 19/05/2018 at 13:01:41
Everyone knows that agents agree contracts with players and managers before the buying club goes anywhere near the selling club. Unfortunately, we were so hamfisted in the way we have gone about it, even the ostrich heads in the FA can't ignore such an alleged breach of its own rules.

Of course, none of us know what is going on behind the scenes. My hope is a line has been drawn and we are going for someone else rather than getting involved in what is likely to be a long drawn-out mess.

Whatever Silva's merits as a manager, he did let the whole business disrupt himself, which to me places a major question mark over his suitability to become Everton's manager.

Andy Walker
36 Posted 19/05/2018 at 13:28:20
Silva joining was a done deal after he left Watford.. He was always Moshiri's first choice. Remember, Moshiri initially only wanted to offer Allardyce a 6-month contract after he failed to land Silva, having initially turned down Allardyce.

Silva hasn't taken up other job offers in the meantime, in other words I'd bet a large amount that, once Watford let him go, Moshiri got back in touch and told Silva he wanted him in the summer, so sit tight.

The only possible fly in the ointment is Watford's potential pursuit of a tapping-up claim against us, but I expect this will get sorted.

Michael Lynch
37 Posted 19/05/2018 at 13:34:47
I'm sure this has been asked before, but I've yet to see an answer: Won't Brands be choosing the manager? He's the DoF, he's going to be at the top of the entire footballing pyramid at the club, setting the style for all the teams from the First Team down to the schoolboys, setting the transfer policy, overseeing all the technical aspects. Unless he's been in contact with the club since December, how can Silva be his choice?

If he hasn't personally chosen Silva, then doesn't that suggest that Moshiri – the money man – is dictating the most important decision to the man who is supposed to be in charge of the footballing side of things? In which case, Brands is already a lame duck?

Don Alexander
38 Posted 19/05/2018 at 13:43:48
Fully agree with you, Michael (#35), it resembles the immediate past in the way we still seem to be seriously disjointed when it comes to creating a hierarchy the fans and supporters can understand and identify with when it comes to playing football. If Brands has had input it wouldn't surprise me if PSV try to sue us a la Watford but if he hasn't, why has he been appointed?
Tony Everan
39 Posted 19/05/2018 at 14:04:35
Michael,

It would be hard to believe that the manager situation wasn't discussed before Brands signed on the dotted line. If we are to have ‘further talks with Silva next week', Brands must have agreed to it.

Moshiri's admiration of Simeone makes me think that the man thinks big. So maybe there's still a chance we will be surprised. Emery or Simeone with a 𧷤m warchest.

Andy Walker
40 Posted 19/05/2018 at 14:07:19
Or Michael, maybe Moshiri discussed Silva with Brands before Brands joined us, and they were on the same page.
Paul Tran
41 Posted 19/05/2018 at 14:40:24
This is looking inevitable, so he'll get my support once he comes.

Looks like a promising youngish coach, plenty to like, plenty to question. Like with any manager for whom the job is a step up, we don't know whether the likes will outweigh the questions. I'm pretty sure that Brands would have known about this before agreeing to join.

He'll need time and patience. Some won't give him either. He's going to have to help himself initially, by having the right attitude and saying the right things, which set back his predecessors. Good results would be handy as well!

Brian Denton
42 Posted 19/05/2018 at 14:57:01
Atletico were stunning on Thursday. But the levels of fitness – let alone skill – to play that kind of football have seemed beyond Everton's reach for years.

If we got Simeone (joking of course) he himself would be fitter than most of our actual players.

Stephen Davies
43 Posted 19/05/2018 at 15:13:17
James (#20),

I would take Simon Jordan's comments with a piece of salt. He was championing Big Sam from the rooftops, stating he would appoint him everyday of the week and twice on a Sunday.

The bottom line is that no one knows how Silva will turn out. All the best managers who have won loads or been middling in the past have been relegated during their careers. Wenger, Benitez, Mourinho, even Ferguson flirted with the sack previously. Sometimes, just sometimes, there is a perfect fit.

Whatever the outcome, it certainly will be an interesting ride.

Jay Wood
[BRZ]

44 Posted 19/05/2018 at 15:30:09
I've only now seen the comments Simon Jordan made about Silva (and the new deputy chairman, Keith Harris).

Now they don't merit extra gravitas because he was/is 'someone' who has been inside the game at top level. He is just another football punter like the rest of us.

But, as anathema as it may be to Steve Ferns in his evangelical campaign supporting Marco Silva, they do echo a disquiet about the Portuguese manager a number of us feel, including myself.

I know Portuguese football well. His achievements at Estoril were astonishing. I don't dismiss his league title in Greece because it is a lesser league. He may well be highly regarded for his hands-on training as Steve trumpets.

But based on his two most recent gigs, in the same league as Everton ply their trade, legitimate questions can and should be asked about his efficacy, ego and staying power.

Hull in particular and Watford, it has to be acknowledged, are challenging appointments for any manager.

He took up the reigns at Hull starting behind the black ball. Whilst he undoubtedly got some very good results and improved their play, the successes were all at home. He failed to turn around their away form (one on the 'to do' list for the incoming Everton manager).

The woeful away form was critical as it was necessary to augment the much-improved home form under Silva, but they continued to get tonked on the road by 3 or 4 goals.

Having got so tantalisingly close to avoiding relegation, with 3 games to go they completely capitulated. At their home fortress to an already relegated Sunderland, they lost 2-0. Away to fellow strugglers they got hammered 4-0 by (cough!) Sam Allardyce's Palace, which effectively sealed their fate. And on the final day of the season they lay down and had their bellies tickled at home 7-1 by a rampant Spurs.

Within 4 days of that defeat and confirmed relegation, Silva resigned.

So on to Watford. It's a bit of a myth that they started well under Silva. By game 11 – the Everton 3-2 comeback game at Goodison – they were 9th. And in this flatline season for many clubs, they fluctuated between 9th and 14th for the rest of the season, the latter being their final finishing position.

What they did do after that Everton defeat until he was dismissed in January, was go into meltdown and have their poorest run of form of the season. This started with the speculation that Everton had approached Watford to recruit him and the aftermath when our approach was denied.

Their Premier League form in that time reads:

P 13 W 3 D 2 L 8 F 16 A 23 Pts 11

That's a third of a season. That's conceding at nearly 2 goals a game – another on the 'to do' list for the incoming Everton manager. And two of the three wins came in games 1 and 2 of that sequence, so effectively 1 win in 11 games. That is out-and-out relegation form.

It was widely reported that Silva had lost his drive and focus having lost out on the chance to manage Everton. Taken together with the late mini-collapse the season before at Hull, and it's a legitimate question to ask if Silva has the staying power and ability to overcome adversity when the going gets tough.

Because that's yet another thing the incoming manager has on his 'to do' list at Everton. It needs an extremely strong personality to handle the fragile egos and slackers currently on our books.

I am all for a young, hungry, dynamic and hands-on manager, rather than the tired recycled 'English saviour' type manager. Silva could well be that man and, like Pochettino at Spurs, really blossom at Everton. But the above leaves me with a nagging doubt his staying power and ability to overcome adversity at critical times.

On the TW poll, I voted for the available, non-English speaking (so was Pochettino when he first arrived on these shores) Unai Emery.

If another favourite, Rafa Benitez, can in the same season go from managing Real Madrid to managing the soon-to-be-relegated Newcastle United as happened, why the belief among some Blues that Emery couldn't be tempted to make a similar move?

Daniel A Johnson
45 Posted 19/05/2018 at 15:46:30
We have to look to the future.

Who would have thought Pochettino at Spurs would have done so well after a brief spell at Southampton? Spurs fans weren't exactly thrilled when he was appointed he's now considered to be one of the best young coaches in world football.

Arsenal are now looking at Arteta with zero managerial experience.

Talent is talent and sometimes you need the stars to align (right man at the right club at the right time).

Hi ho, SIlva, bring it on and let him get in place and start building with Brands early.

Jay Harris
46 Posted 19/05/2018 at 15:48:54
The way I see it, Brands will be running the show and is effectively the "manager". We are looking for a coach just to get the players fit, organised and motivated.

Personally I would love to get Emery and wanted him before we got Koeman but I get the feeling Silva is a done deal.

From what we hear he is a workaholic in the Moyes mould always out with the players cajoling and coaching.

Maybe that is what we need especially if Simon Jordan doesn't like him. What he knows about football would fill a matchbox.

His record isn't great in the prem but maybe he will get a better tune out of better players.

One thing is for sure: he will need patience and backing to turn this shambles of a squad around, so I hope all Blues will take this opportunity to get right behind the new manager.

Tony Everan
47 Posted 19/05/2018 at 16:03:43
Jay,

You're dead right about him needing a strong personality. So will us supporters if we are to give him time and breathing space to achieve success.

He will get criticised every week come rain or shine. Whether we lose, draw, or win ugly. But that's part of the job and he will need that strong personality and belief.

It is a prerequisite for managing a top side.

Soren Moyer
48 Posted 19/05/2018 at 16:15:21
This is getting silly now. Some people asking why don't we go for Conte, Simeone, Emery!!!!!!!

Ask yourselves, what do we have to offer them? Not even a lousy Europa League campaign! Why would they chose us in favor of Real Madrid, Bayern, Dortmund, etc??

And then there is the Chinese league who can throw silly money at them.

Jay Wood
[BRZ]

49 Posted 19/05/2018 at 16:31:13
Why silly, Soren? Was it 'silly' for relegation (doomed!) Newcastle to approach and recruit the recently dismissed Rafa Benitez, a multiple European title winner..?

Why is it 'silly' when the teams you list (etc...) aren't in the market for a manager..?

Why is it 'silly' when, other than Arsenal possibly, that across the major leagues there are no top top teams currently recruiting for a manager..?

What is 'silly' is the submissiveness among some of our own supporters that we have 'nothing to attract' a top manager.

We do. We have a de facto owner willing to throw money at a manager, with a vision to drag the club into the 21st century.

With the right sales pitch, it's not beyond 'liddle ole Everton' to land a proven and extremely talented manager.

'Silly' as that may sound to you.

Soren Moyer
50 Posted 19/05/2018 at 16:41:27
I believe all of the teams I mentioned above are/will looking for a new coach in the summer.

And no, Moshiri is not another Sheikh Mansour! No contest there.

Paul Tran
51 Posted 19/05/2018 at 16:48:35
How does everyone know that we haven't gone in for Simeone, Emery, Ancelotti, Benitez, etc? Do we now require Moshiri to do a daily posting on managerial target attempts? Perhaps Moshiri has tried and they've all knocked back the temptation of going to a club with our recent history?

Ian Bennett
52 Posted 19/05/2018 at 16:55:08
Emery is the stand-out candidate for me, but apparently can't speak English. Don't know if it's true, but has to be a gamble given the core of our team. Don't think he'd come either.
Soren Moyer
53 Posted 19/05/2018 at 16:55:49
Paul Tran (#52),

Spot on.

Derek Knox
54 Posted 19/05/2018 at 17:05:18
Ian @53, I remember when Pochetino first went to Southampton, he couldn't speak English and still managed to get some good results while there.

When interviewed on MotD he used a translator, since moving to Spurs he is quite fluent and able to speak unaided, so can't see that being a problem for Emery.

The biggest problem we will have, as many have mentioned is to persuade him to come. I hope he does and will allow me to rekindle my belief that there is a tooth fairy after all. :-)

Iain Johnston
55 Posted 19/05/2018 at 17:07:39
This is the guy for me!

https://www.transfermarkt.com/argel-fucks/profil/trainer/10334

Soren Moyer
56 Posted 19/05/2018 at 17:15:26
Iain, Good one lol.
Tony Twist
57 Posted 19/05/2018 at 17:17:30
Silva looks a done deal which basically makes a farce of the DOF and I think a bad mistake by Moshiri if it happens.

What about the RB Leipzig manager, is he any good? Gets a tune out of Lookman.

Ian Bennett
58 Posted 19/05/2018 at 17:19:39
I don't disagree, Derek. But if he get's to an iffy start, it'll be trotted out as an excuse.

Need to be committed whoever we get. No more false starts.

Paul Tran
59 Posted 19/05/2018 at 17:23:17
Tony, it's only a 'farce' if you don't accept the idea that they may have discussed this before Brands decided to join.
Tony Twist
60 Posted 19/05/2018 at 17:27:44
Fair enough, Paul; so Silva is Brands's choice.
Derek Knox
61 Posted 19/05/2018 at 17:27:53
One question that nobody appears to have raised, unless I have missed it somewhere, so sorry if that's the case.

Why does Moshiri seem to have this unwavering desire to land Silva?

Why did he decide on him? Was he advised or what?

Jay Wood
[BRZ]

62 Posted 19/05/2018 at 17:36:19
Paul @ 52 (and Soren).

There is no correlation between the speculation you engage in in your post and Soren's claim that it is simply 'silly' to even attempt to recruit a more illustrious manager.

Fran Mitchell
63 Posted 19/05/2018 at 17:44:57
God knows why anyone wants Pellegrini.

We need young, energetic, ambitious. Not some old guy getting a final paycheck.

Silva, to me, seems low risk, and high potential.

Soren Moyer
64 Posted 19/05/2018 at 17:49:42
Wouldn't we look silly if we were publicly rejected by those? I believe we would, Jay.
Jay Wood
[BRZ]

65 Posted 19/05/2018 at 17:53:38
Deary Lord, Soren.

I know who is beginning to look 'silly'...

William Cartwright
66 Posted 19/05/2018 at 18:02:25
Simon @ 26,

Nail on head. A 'world class' coach won't come to us.

It is too late for a 'safe coach' to contribute to and evolve in parallel with the evolution of the Club.

The revolution has started and will be completed reasonably soon in the forseable future – Boys Pen Bill being marginalized etc.

A 'youngish' manager in a responsive, well-structured environment is definitely what we need. The options have been iterated and reiterated back and forth and Silva is the one Moshiri wants. He likes the cut of his jib so to speak, and if you take note of Steve Ferns (the go-to man for knowledgeable and rational opinion) with very good reasoning.

If the Watford management were as sneaky as they now appear, then I am not surprised there was a parting of the ways, given the approach was made. He may be seen as an ambitious young man in a hurry. I like that!

If you had said to me a week ago that Allardyce and his crew would be gone, the boardroom reshuffled with notable exits and sideways movements, that Walsh would be gone, and that we would have Brands and Silva on board with the promise of another 𧴜M to invest (wisely, I trust) in the team, I would have not believed it.

The summer is critical. Momentum is very important. I would expect (naively, some may say) that, just as Sam had 'his plan', Moshiri, Brands and Silva have theirs. Momentum is now a key to build on the feel great factor!

I am over the moon with optimism, but hey that's my nature. Even Phil Walling can't spoil that. However, whilst I resent accusations of naivety, in fairness, we all do have opinions, and I respect that.

COYB

John Keating
67 Posted 19/05/2018 at 18:40:42
Silva world class ?? Unbelievable. If he was he wouldn't be unemployed.

From Catterick to Clough to Kendall how many great managers have not been great coaches and great coaches crap managers.

Unless we were lucky to get one of the very few who are both with our bunch of misfits we need the best man manager available oh yes and the best fitness coach.

Dermot Byrne
68 Posted 19/05/2018 at 18:44:06
What do you think we should do John #68?
John Keating
69 Posted 19/05/2018 at 19:04:12
Dermot, me personally I am of the opinion in getting or looking for a more experienced guy.

After a number of years of upheaval I don't think a couple of seasons of consolidation wouldn't go amiss.

I hope we can get the boardroom and non-playing side sorted then steadily build a decent squad over a couple of seasons.

I would reduce the risk on a younger guy though I can see the attraction to some.

Personally I wouldn't mind seeing us speak with Benitez, though to some that would be beyond the pale. However, seeing Morrissey, Harper, Sheedy, Beardsley and Ablett move across well we haven't done too bad have we ?

If has been stated that Silva is a world class coach then I'm sure - for the right money - he wouldn't mind getting a bit of man management experience because there's obviously something he lacks

Dermot Byrne
70 Posted 19/05/2018 at 19:11:46
Yep... I can see logic in that, John.
Sam Hoare
71 Posted 19/05/2018 at 19:50:08
Was Sam not supposedly one of the best man-managers though. Personally I think we do need a coach. Someone who can implement a genuine system and tactical approach which has not seemed coherent to me since Moyes left.

I don't see Silva as a great risk. Even at some pretty poor teams (Watford and Hull) he had a win rate sufficient to stay up. The one team that he spent a good while with he performed miracles at.

Like Steve Ferns I've been on the Silva boat for a while. At worse I see a coach who will have us playing decent football but struggling for consistency and finishing 10-15th. At best I see our Pochettino, someone who can shape a young, focused team to play good football and get us looking upwards again; I don't think top 4 is very achievable next season but top 6 with some notable scalps and maybe a semi or more in the cup(s).

Paul Tran
72 Posted 19/05/2018 at 20:29:15
Tony (#62), no, I didn't suggest that at all. I'm suggesting that they will have discussed Moshiri's plans for the next coach. Is that such an unfeasible idea?

Jay (#63), not sure what your point is. My point is that some are criticising Moshiri for not pursuing top-name, stellar managers. How are they so sure he isn't?

Paul Birmingham
73 Posted 19/05/2018 at 20:34:55
Was the club paying him a retainer, all this time? I'd rule out nothing. This sums up the club, the reality of securing a manager. Not a proven manager, based on his record to date, who's good enough, to take EFC, to the next level.

For me as stated, unless Silva, is a reincarnation of Howard K, then we are unlikely to be the likely or unlikely team to win.

Today, next week, or it could take longer, the powers that be, must decide on the destiny of EFC. The last 30 years of bile, won't be tolerated.

Massive preaeason, is defining for the future.

I hope that the due diligence time, is gonna be worth it.

Tony Twist
74 Posted 19/05/2018 at 20:41:32
Paul Tran, good point, I am old school and the closest I want Moshiri to the manager and the players is signing the cheques for them. The specialist should be the one picking the manager and not influenced at all by Moshiri's choice. Moshiri knows business not football.
Paul Tran
75 Posted 19/05/2018 at 20:49:38
And Jay, I've neither said, nor think that it is 'silly' for us to go for a top-class, proven manager. I'd encourage it.

If you don't ask, you don't get. How do people know we're not asking?

Paul Tran
76 Posted 19/05/2018 at 21:14:34
You're right there, Tony. I'd like to know what actual role for Marcel Brands is before I get excited about him coming. I'm sure Brands has come because he thinks he can fit with Moshiri's plans/wishes.

I'm guessing that Moshiri realises he got his recruitment wrong with Koeman and Walsh. I also think that the appointment of Brands may enable Moshiri to focus on the business side of things.

We'll see how it pans out.

Tony Twist
77 Posted 19/05/2018 at 21:22:13
Paul@77, does it seem strange to you that Silva is still considered, perhaps it's this possible long term agreement with his agent that is letterboxinging the search for a new manager. We will see how it pans out, fingers crossed that lady luck smiles on us for a change.
Paul Tran
78 Posted 19/05/2018 at 21:46:33
Tony, if Moshiri wanted him last October, it's logical that he'd still be interested in him now. It's clear that there have been long-running issues with Watford that are coming to a head now that Allardyce has been sacked.

I'd be surprised if Moshiri had spoken to no other managers and even more surprised if Brands was unaware or in disagreement with Moshiri's plans.

I too, hope that we are lucky with Moshiri's choice. And that the manager is lucky and competent. About time we had that.

Mike Gaynes
79 Posted 19/05/2018 at 22:20:58
I voted for Emery too, but he's not coming to us.

Should be interesting to see the sendoff he gets from the PSG fans tonight. Game starts in a few minutes.

And for you USA fans out there, Emery has given a first league start to Timothy Weah, 18-year-old USA international and son of George. It's on BeIn Sports.

Denis Richardson
80 Posted 19/05/2018 at 22:27:05
Honestly, I think we're missing a trick not going for Benitez. Yes, he was ‘with them' before but that was 8 years ago and he's been to no less than 5 clubs since.

I believe his family still live in the area and his CV and Premier League experience speaks for itself. Would be a great appointment and not a leap into the unknown imo.

Jay Wood
[BRZ]

81 Posted 19/05/2018 at 22:28:21
Paul @ 73 and & 76.

Nothing sinister in my reply to you @ 62. Just the 'chronological' effect of the posts in the thread.

I was, in fact, agreeing with you. I clearly referenced Soren as the one claiming it is 'silly' to even attempt to recruit a more illustrious manager.

As with most things on TW commenting on the inner workings of Everton FC, it is pure speculation (by us all!) that Moshiri has approached/has been knocked back/hasn't bothered ('cos it's 'too silly') insert manager's name here.

Now Marco Silva appears to be the preferred candidate. However, as evidenced by the reports this week of Watford playing silly buggers, I would hope as an astute businessman that Moshiri has a contigency plan if, in this foreshortened summer footy wise due to the World Cup, he cannot land his man early.

We cannot repeat the agonising 5 weeks 'twixt Koeman leaving and Allardyce arriving we endured last year. The new man needs the maximum time possible to get to work.

Tony Everan
82 Posted 19/05/2018 at 22:30:15
Mike,

He's got another son, Tynan, on Newcastle's books.

Ron Marr
83 Posted 19/05/2018 at 22:41:50
Jay (BRZ) good stuff #45. Analysis based on facts. Wasn't there also a 6-0 home loss to Man City?

I voted for Emery too, but also like Rafa. I'd be fine with Eddie Howe.

Jay Wood
[BRZ]

84 Posted 19/05/2018 at 23:18:51
Ron @ 84. Indeed City did tonk them 6-0 at home, but that wasn't even in the 13 game sequence I referenced. And to be fair, City played football from a different planet to the rest.

However, home results within the 13 games I looked at included losing 4-1 to Huddersfield (who struggled to score a goal away all season) and 2-1 to Swansea - one of two away wins they managed in their relegation season.

Not great, is it?

Darryl Ritchie
85 Posted 19/05/2018 at 23:57:48
Both Sam and Silva only have experience with clubs in the lower half of the table. The task of taking us to the next level proved to be too much for Allardyce, but maybe not for Silva.

Time will tell.

Harvey Miller
86 Posted 19/05/2018 at 00:39:08
He could be good but looking at his past history, he's a serial club changer, never been long at one club.

I think he is a person who wants everything go by his way and if/when it does not he goes or the club gets rid of him.

He is not the answer. Of course I will eat my hat and will be happy to be corrected if it works out fine. But now, it really don't feel like right move. Another Martinez, but maybe even worse.

We should try to get one of the big guys, Conte, Ancelotti or Emery. But if they are not available, get Howe or Arteta.

Mike Gaynes
87 Posted 20/05/2018 at 00:50:31
Tony, I didn't know that. How old is he?
Harvey Miller
88 Posted 20/05/2018 at 01:02:38
If we were really so desperate to hire Big Fat Sam, we might as well go for the Big Fat Spanish waiter because he is a good football manager, even if he was in charge of some unnamed unit way back. At least, he might have won something which is something our previous bosses in the last decades don't know anything about.
Alan J Thompson
89 Posted 20/05/2018 at 06:07:10
Let''s get the bloke who can't speak English as that alone will improve the post match interviews and stop Bill from ringing him every half hour.
Derek Knox
90 Posted 20/05/2018 at 06:47:43
Tony @83, has he been coached by Johnny Tworivers?
John Malone
91 Posted 20/05/2018 at 08:07:25
No point saying this beacause it's looking like the Silva deal is done but Rafa would be the ultimate coup.

Firstly, his track record of winning trophies and titles is second only to Mourinho and Guardiola. Secondly, he is that lot's ex-gaffer who they hold in high regard and they would hate it seeing him at the helm for us.

We have taken the liver birds off them; we are taking over our famous waterfront... taking their old flame, Rafa, would be a masterstroke in mind games, as well a solid appointment. No-brainer!

Paul Rimmer
92 Posted 20/05/2018 at 08:41:58
Seems like a done deal to me so not much point in debating whether Emery or Benitez would be any better. I think Silva will be a good appointment but he has his work cut out!

We need someone in ASAP to get shut of the deadwood and bring in some quality. Realistically we have 3 weeks till the World Cup and 2 weeks after to get some decent players in.

Mike Hayes
93 Posted 20/05/2018 at 08:58:19
How do you see a 40-year-old with 7 years managerial “experience” and 6 clubs as World Class, FFS??? He's a bigger failure as Fartinez...

Jesus, some fans want to stay off Football Manager and join the real world. Go after someone else – have ambition instead of accepting mid-table mediocrity.

Mark Tanton
94 Posted 20/05/2018 at 09:05:02
Mike, I really feel, and I think we both hope, you'll be eating your words by Halloween. This bloke is the Real Deal Holyfield.
Paul Tran
95 Posted 20/05/2018 at 09:25:27
Jay (#82), fair enough, mate!
Phil Walling
96 Posted 20/05/2018 at 10:09:38
I think Paul Birmingham at 74 reads it right. We've been paying Silva a retainer all along but the present farrago has to be enacted to keep Watford and the Premier League authorities from the door!

Moshiri is proving totally clueless in football politics and practices – so much so that Kenwright will be a loss when he finally gets the chop. And I never thought I'd write that!

Damian Wilde
97 Posted 20/05/2018 at 10:34:48
Jay, whilst we should have a motion to say you think we should go for Simeone et al is ridiculous. Simeone will not come to Everton. He's regularly in European finals, near the top of the league and wins trophies, why on earth would he come to Everton???

Ambition – yes, but let's also not be silly.

Laurie Hartley
98 Posted 20/05/2018 at 10:58:17
Well, Phil, no matter what we must not give up.

Link

All together now! ;)

Steve Brown
99 Posted 20/05/2018 at 11:28:20
Interesting this Simeone "will not come to Everton" line.

If you listen to the last Liverpool Echo podcast, Prentice confirms categorically that Simeone's representatives approached us to understand more about Moshiri's project... But we were already determined on Koeman. The rest is history and he might very well have zero interest now, given we yet again demonstrated our stupidity and incompetence.

Lack of ambition cripples us as a club as does our repeated mistakes.

Mark Tanton
100 Posted 20/05/2018 at 11:36:43
I don't know where the obsession with Koeman originated. It seemed that Moshiri would barely consider anyone else.

In hindsight, alarm bells should have been ringing when he wrote off Niasse after one morning of training. Ridiculous really.

Steve Brown
101 Posted 20/05/2018 at 11:44:22
Just read the posts from start to finish and it is amazing how few fans back Silva. I have big doubts about his credibility and character but, if he gets the job next week, we will all support him in the beginning.

The trouble will come when results don't go right, as Silva does not unite the fan base in the way we need him to after the debacles of Martinez, Koeman and Allardyce. In fact, I don't even think he excites most supporters.

Colin Glassar
102 Posted 20/05/2018 at 11:46:31
Phil, the last thing we need is another curator for the Everton museum, formerly known as Everton FC. We need modern football people at the helm who will take us forward, on and off the field, not some fat old bloated fart with his endless, teary-eyed anecdotes. Sharpey can do that for less money.
Tony Twist
103 Posted 20/05/2018 at 12:32:16
I don't get the Moshiri's man crush with Silva. Check out Farmer Michael on YouTube — even he realises the risk with Silva!



Jay Wood
[BRZ]

104 Posted 20/05/2018 at 13:09:47
Steve @ 100.

Can you post a link to the podcast you mention?

Thanks.

Steve Pugh
105 Posted 20/05/2018 at 14:15:26
I don't know if I'm just interpreting things differently to others but, according to Brands, he has stayed in touch with Moshiri ever since the first approach that he turned down because he had a project to finish and was coming to Everton when it was done.

Brands knew he was coming to Everton when we first approached Silva; would it be too much of a stretch to say that Silva was his choice, not Moshiri's, and that is why there isn't a lot of talk about other managers? We have a DOF and he has chosen his manager.

When the Silva thing fell through we were only ever interested in a 6-month fill in, which is what Moshiri offered Sam initially. It was only Sam's insistence that got him the 18 months, with Moshiri never intending to keep him longer.

People talk about Moshiri's mistakes; maybe he just had a plan but had to fill in gaps so, being a businessman, he looked at options that would do a job until he got what he wanted. Now, he is getting what he wants.

My only worry would be whether Koeman was a Moshiri or a Brands choice. Because I am sure he was a mistake.

Tom McEwan
106 Posted 20/05/2018 at 15:38:20
Jay Wood [BRZ] @ 45, Spot on fella! I also agree with your 'submissiveness' theory @ 50.

Derek @ 62, Steve Ferns advised him.

William @ 67, thanks mate, the 'Steve Ferns go-to man' stuff was hilarious!

Mike @ 94, good post.

Mark @ 95, just what exactly do you base that assertion on?

Finally, all you Phil Walling bashers out there have very short memories but, as the saying goes, the truth often hurts.

Phil Walling
107 Posted 20/05/2018 at 16:40:56
I hope Moshiri realises that if, by some chance, Silva gets off to a good start and has the 'big clubs' chasing him, he'll down tools in a trice until he gets his salary doubled or a new job.

'Leopards don't...'

Mark Tanton
108 Posted 20/05/2018 at 16:51:52
Or perhaps Silva has learned a rather chastening lesson about fluttering your eyelashes at other clubs. Everton is probably his last chance to prove he can be trusted to do a long-term job.
Steve Brown
109 Posted 20/05/2018 at 17:15:25
Jay @105, subscribe to the Royal Blue podcast and it was the episode on 16th May called "Sam Allardyce Sacked: Royal Blue Special."

I just listened to it again. Prentice says that it was last summer that Simeone's team approached Everton to understand more about the project. Obviously, Koeman was still held in a good light having qualified for the Europa League and Simeone stayed where he was.

Only at Everton could you go from talking to Simeone in the summer to hiring Allardyce in November!

Jay Wood
[BRZ]

110 Posted 20/05/2018 at 17:50:18
Interesting Steve. Thanks for that. Seeking it out now.

It rather makes a nonsense of claims that it's 'silly' or an exercise in futility for Everton to even make a play for a manager of Simeone's calibre.

All the more interesting that his representatives approached us.

When Man City first came into money, I am sure the same things were being said about them – what player or manager of any worth would be interested? The owners made it possible to continually upgrade until they now have Guardiola at the helm, playing the wonderful football they do.

Moshiri isn't in their league, but why do so many of our own submissively accept 'we are not worthy', that with the right sales pitch, Everton can draw quality staff, be it manager or players?

If you're gonna dream, dream big. That's how ambitions are realised.

Jay Wood
[BRZ]

111 Posted 20/05/2018 at 17:57:04
Just listened to it Steve.

For anyone interested, here is the link.

Link

The reference to Simeone's people approaching Everton with interest in 'the project' comes in around 15m:20s on the recording.

Derek Knox
112 Posted 20/05/2018 at 18:00:31
Phil Walling @ 108... what, and go against Steve Ferns?
Steve Ferns
113 Posted 20/05/2018 at 18:02:24
Is this The Echo podcast? It's worth a listen most times, but I was shocked at the level of Prentice's understanding of football. I'm pretty sure he's never seen a European league game and has zero knowledge of foreign-based players.

His analysis of Sandro and Klaassen was simply embarrassing. He really doesn't have a clue and can't even be arsed to do the most basic of research despite having all the resources and contacts available to The Echo.

Steve Ferns
114 Posted 20/05/2018 at 18:03:04
Derek, what have I done now?
Paul Tran
115 Posted 20/05/2018 at 18:21:59
Phil (#108), can't argue with that, but couldn't you say exactly the same about virtually all managers these days? Shall we not recruit anyone at all, or just get one of our ex-players that wouldn't get a job anywhere else?

If the next manager does well, it's up to us to keep him, or find a suitable replacement, bearing in mind we'd be more attractive to better managers.

The loyalty some people talk about went with the likes of Labone and Lyons.

Derek Knox
116 Posted 20/05/2018 at 18:43:48
Steve, just having a laugh mate, from the previous posts, Moshiri having you on speed-dial, being the go-to man, and Silva's agent provocateur! :-)
Tom McEwan
117 Posted 20/05/2018 at 18:59:01
Derek @ 113, nice one, made me laugh.

Steve @114, made me laugh even louder, from the man who insists Silva is a world class coach based on YouTube videos. (He physically moves them into position)!!

Nothing against you personally, fella, but talk about the pot and the kettle! Beggars belief!

Steve Ferns
118 Posted 20/05/2018 at 19:08:24
Silva is a world class coach. Not a world class manager. There is a difference. And that's not based on watching YouTube videos. That's based on everyone who he ever coached and all the journos who assess him. Find any criticism of his actual coaching ability. There is none.

Sure, there's criticism of other parts of his management skills. I myself have questioned his ability to turn things around when the going gets tough. No, not because he can't, but because he only ever had good runs before coming to England. No rocky spells at all at Estoril, Sporting or Olympiacos.

I would argue he didn't have one at Hull, but others point to the run of defeats after relegation was confirmed.

Could he have turned Wardord around? We'll never know. I think to turn things around you need your players believing in you, and if you're seen to be looking at the exit door, then they can't be.

As for Moshiri taking my advice, well I'd have advised him not to go for Koeman, but instead to go for de Boer. So, he's best off listening to others.

I do know for more about Portugal than the Netherlands though, Sporting in particular. Well them and Farense.

Tom McEwan
119 Posted 20/05/2018 at 19:15:37
Steve @ 119, have you heard yerself lad?
Phil Walling
120 Posted 20/05/2018 at 19:29:04
Don't worry, Steve, I know more about Cyprus and the Faroe Islands than I do about soccer matters in all these other countries. But I do know the difference between coaching and managing.

So are you suggesting that the very highly paid coach, Silva, is going to work under the lesser remunerated Brands? WBA have tried that one and look where they've finished up!

Whatever the structure Silva will be seen as 'the man at the helm' and will be the one to pay the price for failure — although he'll still walk away with a fortune, wherever his team finishes, such is the nonsense of Football 2018.

Keith Monaghan
121 Posted 20/05/2018 at 19:34:12
Rafa Benitez is the outstanding gettable candidate:-

● Proven track record as an achiever & winner
● Vastly experienced
● Excellent knowledge of the Premier League
● Excellent knowledge of Everton FC & the fans
● Can handle pressure
● Knows and loves the area
● Has proved at Newcastle he can motivate & develop young players

Over to you, Moshiri & Brands! Hope you're already working on it.

Colin Glassar
122 Posted 20/05/2018 at 19:42:01
Steve, I think the modern way is for the DoF (Brands in this case) to be doing the buying and selling (what traditional managers used to do) and Silva will be doing purely coaching. I hope he's as good as you say he is.
Phil Walling
123 Posted 20/05/2018 at 19:46:18
Technical difficulties with my last post preventing me from adding that, in spite of my total lack of faith in Moshiri, I really do hope that he can unearth a star manager to bring some glory back to Everton FC. Most of those we've had this century have been more interested in filling their bank vaults — just like the revered Chairman has done!
Colin Glassar
124 Posted 20/05/2018 at 19:48:18
Keith,

● Was rs manager
● Called us a small club
● Commonly known on Merseyside as the Fat Spanish Waiter
● After Fat Sam, we don't need another fatty

Over and out.

Paul Tran
125 Posted 20/05/2018 at 19:48:28
We've got to buy the right ticket one day, Phil!
James Stewart
126 Posted 20/05/2018 at 19:52:11
I agree with Colin @125.

I find it totally embarrassing that Benitez and Eddie Howe are constantly being put forward by Evertonians and lot of ToffeeWebers. Have some self-respect.

Steve Ferns
127 Posted 20/05/2018 at 19:53:10
No Tom, but I've heard:

The view from Hull
Assessment of Hull job by Telegraph
Guardian on early days at Watford
Silva working Miracles
Silva is meticulous and diligent
Ladyman in Mail on Silva
Burt from Telegraph asks Silva about man handling players into position in training
Marco Silva Watford Tactical analysis
How far can Silva go in his career?
Everton can strike gold with Silva
Marco Silva Pre Hull tactical analysis
Troy Deeney on Marco Silva

I could go on, but it's been 20 minutes. Article after article, player after player, journo after journo, anyone who bothers to analyse the guy says that he's an outstanding coach, even his critics. But some on here don't bother with research and dismiss the guy purely on a results.

His past results and trophies don't matter. It's what he will do when he comes in. And he is coming in. Some of you will indeed be eating your hat. But if you bothered to find out more, you'd have already known this.

Steve Ferns
128 Posted 20/05/2018 at 19:57:18
With the world class coach comment, let me change the word "coach" to "trainer", so as to avoid any further confusion.

I'm not saying he's a world class manager, or a world class head coach. I'm merely stating that one component part of his ability, that is the work on the training ground, is as good as any manager in the world.

Dave Abrahams
129 Posted 20/05/2018 at 19:58:42
Keith (#122),

It looks like Silva is one who is being appointed as the new manager. I voted for and would have preferred Benitez for all the points you listed; let's see what happens.

Brian Williams
130 Posted 20/05/2018 at 20:04:42
I wonder (genuinely) whether those advocating Benitez as a candidate live away from Merseyside? Reason I wonder is that, if you live in the area and mix with, or are in the company of, or work with, RS supporters, I think you'd know the absolute shit we'd get on a daily basis whichever way results went.

In addition to that, I couldn't see Benitez sullying his "history" with the other shower anyway.

Personally I wouldn't touch him with a bargepole and I don't mind admitting that's due to his association with that lot and the total contempt he held us in when he was with them.

To me, having him as our manager would be like becoming best mates with your "present" wife's ex-husband! Some things are just not natural!

Steve Ferns
131 Posted 20/05/2018 at 20:08:08
Dave, it is supposed to be on Tuesday according to what I've seen on Twitter. Do you think the Benitez of now is as good as the Benitez of 10 years ago?

He's no longer working with Pako Ayesteran. The main part of the coaching is actually done by Paco De Miguel Moreno and Antonio Gomez Perez. Whilst Paco Ayesteran's management career has bombed, I have a reservation over Rafa's ability without his best lieutenant. Rafa was never a top coach. His strengths lie in analysis and tactics. Rafa simply watches more tape than anyone and can see weaknesses in opponents to exploit. He relies on others to get that message across to the players on the training pitch.

The RS players didn't say a lot of good things about his man-management skills, however, I actually think the fact that most of them didn't like him on a personal level, actually meant they tried harder for him on the pitch as they sought to win his approval. Perhaps a Martinez style matey approach is not as good as the cold ruthless Benitez approach.

No doubt Rafa has done a great job this season, and is certainly not past it (unlike Ancelotti) but I would ask if he is at his best, and I think not.

John Crawley
132 Posted 20/05/2018 at 20:09:04
To concede 80 goals in 42 games in the Premier League is some going and indicates that he can't set up a team defensively in this league. He'll need to address this ASAP; if he doesn't, he'll fail. Seems a bizarre appointment in my opinion.
Steve Ferns
133 Posted 20/05/2018 at 20:11:55
Funny thing is, John, defensive steel is a real quality of his. See the analysis of Silva before he had his first Hull game, and based on his time at Olympiacos and Sporting where he averaged 0.6 goals against per game. There is also comment in the links above about what a great job he did of sorting out the Hull defence. I suppose it's all context.
Dave Abrahams
134 Posted 20/05/2018 at 20:18:29
Brian (#131), in my life, I have lived at seven addresses – all of them no further than 15 minutes away from Goodison Park.

Brian, of course Benitez treated us with contempt, the manager of the opposition, same as Joe Royle treated Liverpool with the same contempt, and didn't we all love him for doing it?

I don't think Benitez will get the job and it's possible he doesn't want it. I chose him and would like him to get the position because I think he is an excellent manager, which he has proved over a very long period.

Brian, not to select him because he was once manager of Liverpool is a bit childish in my opinion; would you have rejected Johnny Morrissey and other former players for the same reason?

Joe McMahon
135 Posted 20/05/2018 at 20:20:49
Colin, I often agree with you on so many things, but sorry it would be Rafa for me all the way. He even won the Europa League for Chelsea in the most bizarre circumstances, as their "nouveau riche" (circa 2003) tosser fan base were giving him hell.

I don't care about what he may or may not have said. So what if he said Everton are a small club, joke dump of a stadium, Liberace Chairman, no trophy for well over 20 years and never played in the Champions League. What Everton did 30 years ago is... "well" 30 years ago. Maybe he had a point.

John Crawley
136 Posted 20/05/2018 at 20:23:53
I've looked at his defensive record before he arrived at the Premier League, Steve, and it's good but those are lower-standard leagues. Martinez had a decent defensive record before he managed in the Premier League.

His record defensively with both Hull and Watford is really poor. What's particularly concerning to me is that even with a full pre-season and some signings his record defensively with Watford wasn't any better than it was with Hull, in fact it was slightly worse.

We'll see if he can address it but it seems an unnecessary gamble to me.

Brian Williams
137 Posted 20/05/2018 at 20:25:23
Dave (#135),

Well, call me childish, mate. We're allowed our opinions and mine differ from yours. Not going to insult you for that.

Steve Ferns
138 Posted 20/05/2018 at 20:27:10
Joe, but look what he has won in the last 10 years:

Inter - Charity Shield, and World Club Cup (glorified friendlies)
Chelsea - Europa League
Napoli - Italian Cup
Real Madrid - nothing
Newcastle - 2nd flight

It's not the honour roll he once enjoyed, despite some great clubs where he could win major trophies. I would say he's not the same manager he was without Pako Ayesteran as his right hand man and main coach (Rafa ain't a top coach and relies on others).

Ron Marr
139 Posted 20/05/2018 at 20:28:29
● Called us a small club

Since Kenwright, we are a small club with a big history. I've yet to see any evidence of that changing with Moshiri.

I've seen Everton win the League 4 times, the FA Cup twice and the European Cup Winners Cup. I've seen us break the British Transfer record twice: Tony Kay and Alan Ball; the most expensive goalkeeper, Gordon West. All I see now is mediocrity from Kenwright and Moshiri.

Ron Marr
140 Posted 20/05/2018 at 20:39:49
Sorry. It should have read "I've seen us break the British Transfer record twice: Tony Kay and Alan Ball,"
Bill Gienapp
141 Posted 20/05/2018 at 20:56:31
The one thing I can say with certainty since Koeman was sacked is that there's zero consensus on who the next manager should be.

Some are absolutely convinced Eddie Howe is the man for the job; others think he shouldn't even be in the conversation. Some want to welcome Benitez with open arms; others are appalled that he'd even be suggested.

So to each their own. Personally, Silva or Fonseca have been at the top of my list all along. And some of the so-called "big names" people bandy about don't excite me in the slightest.

Pellegrini? Maybe if we were filming a remake of Weekend at Bernie's at Goodison. I'm shocked that teh guy can even staypass. awake for 90 minutes.

Ancelotti? Hard Even if you don't buy Steve's assessment of Silva, I think we can agree with his fundamental point that we need someone who'll put in the work on the training pitch. Ancelotti comes off as someone who doesn't want to expend any effort beyond choosing a starting XI.

Benitez? No thanks. I'd rather we forge our own path, rather than relying on the RS's sloppy seconds to achieve something.

Dave Abrahams
142 Posted 20/05/2018 at 20:56:42
Brian (#138) fair enough, of course you are entitled to your opinions, so I'll take the 'childish' bit back. Erm... be honest, you wouldn't have rejected Johnny Morrissey though, would you?
Rob Halligan
143 Posted 20/05/2018 at 21:03:53
Ron if you've seen us win the league four times, then you must be about the same age as me.

What you need to do though, is spice up our achievements during your lifetime.

I always tell people during my lifetime we've won the league 4 times, runners-up once. Won the FA Cup 3 times, runners-up five times. Won the ECWC. Won the Charity Shield 6 times and shared it once. One of only two teams to spend all their time in the top tier during my lifetime (the other being Arsenal). Been in numerous semi-finals. You could then add all trophies won before you and I came into this wonderful planet.

Okay, I know this is all history, and we've done fuck all for 23 years, but I'm a firm believer that what goes around, comes around. I just hope this wheel starts to spin a bit quicker though.

Ray Jacques
144 Posted 20/05/2018 at 21:05:10
Silva will be a disaster. His credentials are worse than Koeman's and Allardyce's. I cannot see one reason why he should get the job.
Ron Marr
145 Posted 20/05/2018 at 21:19:16
Yikes, I forgot the 95 Cup Final. I used to say we were the reigning champions for the most years, which I think was true until recently. Everton were the champions when WW1 and WW2 broke out and play was suspended for several years both times.

It's easy to shut up a RS fan: start talking about Man Utd. Works every time. Example: RS fan "We're going for Champions League #6". Blue response "And yet Man Utd have 200 million fans worldwide". RS response "Bleep bleep bleep United". Blue response "You call us bitter? Nobody is more bitter than RS fans talking about United". Blue fan moves on. RS fan is still saying "Bleep bleep United"

Rob Halligan
146 Posted 20/05/2018 at 21:21:45
I also forgot to mention we've been runners up twice in the league cup.

Jeez, what would we give to win that anytime soon.

Brian Williams
147 Posted 20/05/2018 at 21:32:01
Dave (#143).

No I wouldn't, Dave, but I don't remember Johnny showing what can't be argued was a purposeful insult and a total disdain towards us from Benitez.

I also feel that a "successful" manager from either our club or theirs represents a much stronger affiliation with the club than "most" players.

I couldn't see Benitez even considering Everton, to be honest anyway, but any success we might have I want there to be "absolutely nothing" linking that success with the RS.

Referring to them as the RS is probably childish as well but, to be honest, when you look at what grown men do at the game when their team scores, how they behave when involved with their team and their club's goings on, it could all probably be seen as childish.

Or it could be looked upon that someone's total and unquestionable loyalty to one team, someone's lifelong love and affiliation to that team means that he finds it impossible to feel positive towards a manager so connected with their arch enemy and lifelong torturor.

I want a manager I can really take to and admire, someone whose name I could find myself chanting when he's lead us to some sort of success. That man isn't and never could be Benitez, for me. I don't apologize for that; that's just the way I feel towards him, and them.

Tom McEwan
148 Posted 20/05/2018 at 21:56:56
Steve @128, so you have read a few articles, all opinions. @129, why doesn't his work on the training ground and transmit to the match then?
Chris Watts
149 Posted 20/05/2018 at 22:04:37
I've been umming and ahhing about Silva and wondered whether we go for Emery or Simeone to show we mean business. But the truth is none of us know how it will work out even for a big name. Koeman was a big name. Conte has just won the FA Cup and the players apparently hate him. Pocettino had done absolutely nothing before the Spurs job to suggest he was going to be so good...

Silva has done well in every league he's been in. He almost saved Hull when it was all but impossible and started brilliantly with Watford. After a dozen games there was talk if Chelsea etc wanting him. Any fan would have wanted him then. I'm sure the dynamic changed after he made it clear he wanted to come to Everton. And so what if he did.

We all slated Koeman for barely being interested. Silva sounds like he's work night and day to make the job a success. This is his big chance and we might just benefit from it.

I'm actually very excited about the thought of Silva and Brands next season. Apparently, we are after Zaha – I'd love to see him plus Loftus-Cheek and a bid for the two Celtic players, Tierney and Dembele, with a left-sided defender making up the summer signings. Happy times!

Tony Everan
150 Posted 20/05/2018 at 22:09:51
The DoF set up is to take the admin out of the managers job. Players will be signed through consultations with Silva, Brands and Moshiri via Ryasantsev. Unless there is unanimous support a player won't be signed.

The whole point is to make the manager stronger, not just a coach.

The name 'coach' doesn't do justice to the role the new manager will play. Of course it is massively important to be integral to coaching sessions and hands on. But that is just a part of the job.

Just as important is the personality and ability of the manager to motivate individuals and the team. To understand the psychology of each player and instinctively put them on a trajectory to be the best they can be themselves and for the team.

Of all the analysis of Silva, it is very important to me that past players are still in admiration of him. He seems to have reignited passion and reinvigorated a lot of players in his past clubs. They sound as if they still want to play for him even now.

The man comes across as more than just a coach, he is a motivator who inspires belief and confidence in his players. A man who can nurture a team spirit. Make a team that is more than the sum of their parts.

It's a risk, it's his biggest and toughest job. He has got it all to prove. More so because he wobbled at Watford after our untimely interest.

I'm hoping he has learned his lesson there and will toughen up as a result. The episode may make him a stronger manager and will result in him being more loyal to us if we back him.

If we gamble, Silva could take us all the way.

Dave Abrahams
151 Posted 20/05/2018 at 22:12:35
Brian (147), l think we are debating something that is unlikely to happen so it is best to leave it there, but I must add there have been Liverpool managers I disliked more than Benitez for their totally snide remarks about Everton.
Brian Williams
152 Posted 20/05/2018 at 22:50:41
Dave, the only one I didn't hate was Shankly. And what I found really strange about him was that he was made more welcome at Bellfield when he'd finished, and could often be found there, than he was at the club that he turned into a huge football success.
Steve Ferns
153 Posted 20/05/2018 at 22:58:34
Tom his training ground work does transpire onto the pitch. Go look at his record. What he did at Estoril is miraculous. He's their greatest ever manager.

Then onto Sporting, he's the only manager to win a trophy of note in the last 9 seasons (Sporting just lost in the Portuguese Cup final tonight). This includes the tenure of the excellent Leo Jardim.

Dismiss Greece if you want but his record there is quite simply astonishing. He won 28 of the 30 games. He won the league by a record 30 points, and won a record 17 games. Those are not just Greek records but European records. But he had loads of money you say, no he spent €5m (euros) and had a negative net spend of €15m due to having sold €20m worth of players. He got 7 more points than the previous year despite playing 4 less games, and having sold some of the best players. The season after Silva they got 18 less points. And this season they had 28 less points and finished 3rd. Yeah, any manager can do what Silva did in Greece.

Say what you want about Hull, but for the 18 games Silva was in charge, Hull were 14th and had 5 points more than the teams in the drop. His points pro rata over the season would have kept them up. I think he did a good job there and simply did not have enough time to achieve what was almost a mission impossible. The way he got the players responding immediately shows how his training pitch skills transpired to the pitch.

Watford he was sacked with them in 10th, which would have been their 3rd highest position EVER. He again had them flying from the word go, with his training ground skills coming to the fore.

We can all have differing opinions on what went wrong. So, sure draw your own conclusion to this and the rest. His record stands up to scrutiny with just that 11 game spell before he was sacked as the only sustained period without a win.

It's pretty obvious he's coming now. So just wait and see what happens on the pitch. I think you'll be pleasantly surprised.

Jay Wood
[BRZ]

154 Posted 20/05/2018 at 22:58:47
Steve Ferns @ 119. I'd like to respond to a couple of points.

Silva looks to be the only horse running in the field. I am sure the Blue Faithful will get behind him, if confirmed. That said, I think there is a great deal of legitimacy in the doubts some are expressing about him. So I take exception to your comment @ 128 that "...some on here don't bother with research and dismiss the guy purely on results."

That is patently untrue given the detail some people post having done their own 'due diligence', gathered the data and read up on the guy.

You claim he didn't have 'a rocky spell' at Hull. Do your research, Steve. Having done (admirably) to give them a sporting chance of avoiding the drop, he lost 5 of his last 7 games. It is an out and out LIE by you to write as you did that "others [only] point to the run of defeats after relegation was confirmed."

In my own detailed post @ 45 I commended him for nearly turning Hull's season around, but also commented where he failed was on not improving their away results. Something the incoming manager at Everton needs to do. In his time at Hull their away results read:

P 9 W 0 D 2 L 7 F 3 A 21 Pts 2 (out of a possible 27). That's half a season of away games. That is out and out relegation form.

You also ask, if given time, "could he have turned Watford around? We'll never know. I think to turn things around you need your players believing in you, and if you're seen to be looking at the exit door, then they can't be."

This conveniently ignores who created the crisis that saw Watford go into meltdown was Marco Silva himself.

As I showed in my post @ 45, following their 3-2 defeat to Everton at GP (when the speculation of Silva to Everton began), they played another 13 games until he was sacked. The record in those 13 games reads:

P 13 W 3 D 2 L 8 F 16 A 23 Pts 11

That's a third of a season. That's conceding at nearly 2 goals a game – another on the 'to do' list for the incoming Everton manager. And two of the three wins came in games 1 and 2 of that sequence, so effectively 1 win in 11 games. That again is out-and-out relegation form.

I really, genuinely hope we strike gold with Silva (should he be confirmed). I am firmly of the belief that nobody - nobody at all - can predict with absolute certainty how a new manager or player will perform at his new club.

However, that doesn't negate the right of people to harbour doubts or, conversely, to confidently predict any newcomer will be the New Messiah who will transform our club.

Steve Ferns
155 Posted 20/05/2018 at 23:06:56
Of course you can't predict how he will do, Jay. I thought De Boer would be a good choice for us, and yet he didn't get a point and didn't score a goal for Palace. I could put forward some excuses why, but that doesn't take away from how bad things were. No-one ever knows with football – that's why we all love the game.

All I can say is that I believe that we need a top coach to work with the players we have, and Silva has those skills.

As for Hull, why don't you post his home form, which was simply exceptional. I already posted above how over all of the games he oversaw, Hull were 14th in the table for those 18 games and his record, pro rata, would have been enough to keep them up.

Laurie Hartley
156 Posted 20/05/2018 at 23:10:59
The thing with Phil Walling's posts is that he calls it like he sees it – no ego involved or defending a position. Over time, he is usually vindicated.

That is why his assessment of Silva worries me. Phil, with the greatest respect, on this occasion, if it is to be Silva, I hope you are wrong.

Also, regarding the Harry Lauder link, that wasn't meant as a poke at you. If it came across that way, I apologise.

Listening to the words of that song though – it could become our theme tune. But we will get there in the end.

Regardless of who is appointed, I hope Goodison erupts for him and the team on the first home game next season.

Jay Wood
[BRZ]

157 Posted 20/05/2018 at 23:37:11
Steve @ 155. I agree with you that we need a 'hands on' coach at Finch Farm and Silva, by all accounts, checks that box. Your enthusiasm for him, however, rather blinds you to the very legitimate – and demonstrable – failings he has had.

This is demonstrated in your closing paragraph. You deflect from his truly appalling away record with Hull and try to pull me up for 'not posting his Hull home record'.

Read my post @ 45, Steve. I consider it very balanced. It not only acknowledges the success of his previous appointments, I compliment him on improving Hull.

Given the truly woeful away form I flagged in my previous post, that clearly implies he improved their home form.

Steve Ferns
158 Posted 20/05/2018 at 23:50:11
Don't worry, Jay, he won his Watford games home and away in equal measure. So, you could write the Hull away form off as an anomaly. He was better at home with Sporting and Olympiacos, but only as you would expect to see from a top side.
Eric Myles
159 Posted 20/05/2018 at 00:05:25
At least Silva has history of getting the best out of our star striker while working with him at Hull.
Jay Wood
[BRZ]

160 Posted 21/05/2018 at 00:35:54
Whoever arrives as manager, it will be interesting to see the decision they will make on Niasse. If they get top, top quality in, he will be gone.

If not, there is something about Niasse which quite simply changes games. From looking like Bambi on ice, he still makes things happen. He chases down lost causes, wriggles out of seemingly closed situations and creates and takes chances, for himself and others.

I like him. And his story at Everton is a cracker.

David Currie
161 Posted 21/05/2018 at 01:25:51
Salim (#3), You are clueless regarding your comment on Eddie Howe not doing anything apart from keeping Bournemouth up. Amazing ignorance.
David Barks
162 Posted 21/05/2018 at 01:41:32
David Currie,

So what are his accomplishments then? Trophies? Any European experience? Enlighten us.

Davie Turner
163 Posted 21/05/2018 at 02:44:29
Main worry is that there seems to be no other candidates, Silva maybe that good but there is some convincing to be done, he did well at Hull and okay at Watford but hardly set the world alight.

Another worry is, since Estoril, he doesn't seem to last long in jobs – being sacked for not wearing a club suit seems too odd a reason to be the whole truth at Sporting.

But if he is the manager in waiting, then I hope he does well and lasts a while longer than his last 4 jobs.

Alan J Thompson
164 Posted 21/05/2018 at 04:57:54
Tony Everan (#151) comes closest to my way of thinking which is that whoever gets the job will get my support and hope he puts a strong team out playing attractive football and getting the right results. But if he doesn't, then I will express my opinion of his performance.

However, I think we now have a different backroom and administrative setup. Previous managers like Moyes could have been asked to show more daring, Martinez more attention to detail and defence, Koeman more appreciation of public relations and dealing with players.

If Silva is the man and he shows some disregard of defensive frailties, then I would hope that the Director of Football might have a quiet word – particularly if, as speculated, he had some part in his appointment. Otherwise, it might appear that all the reorganization has been nothing more than shuffling the deckchairs.

Steve Brown
165 Posted 21/05/2018 at 05:44:24
Steve @ 114, I have known Dave Prentice for 35 years and his knowledge of football is just fine. In addition, he offers it in a balanced and concise way - even if we all agree that the Echo should have been much more critical of Kenwright over the years.

I understand your championing Silva and we will all get behind him the moment he is announced. But, as Jay @ 158 says, you have become increasingly lavish / slavish in your praise and ignored legitimate concerns about his record. He is a risky appointment. full stop... but we all pray it works out.

If you listened to the podcast rather than slagging Prentice off, you will hear that he is not offering a football opinion but sharing the fact that Simeone's representatives contacted Everton last summer to enquire about Moshiri's plans. The point being that Everton could try for a top manager rather than take another risk after Martinez, Koeman and Allardyce. But, if Silva is the man, then he has every Blue wishing him well, even if the majority are not convinced he is the right man.

John Keating
166 Posted 21/05/2018 at 06:05:18
So, if this world-class manager... no, coach... no, trainer comes in, and we sweep everyone before us, his appointment will obviously be vindicated.

Then he comes to the attention of Barcelona or Real Madrid, what happens then? Do we, like Watford, go into meltdown?

Like most supporters, I agree that anyone coming here needs luck and support, be it Silva or another; then, I am sure most will give their full backing. However, there's just something about Silva that doesn't sit or sound right.

Apart from Steve Ferns, there have been a number of posters who have expressed their legitimate concerns. Time, obviously, will tell.

Ian Hollingworth
167 Posted 21/05/2018 at 06:38:21
Silva will be a massive risk and not an a very ambitious appointment.

With this set of players, the very best Silva will achieve is 7th. Is that the best we wish for Everton FC???

Paul Tran
168 Posted 21/05/2018 at 06:52:58
Brian (#131), I live a long way from Liverpool. I don't want Benitez either.
Alan J Thompson
169 Posted 21/05/2018 at 06:53:35
John (#167); Now come on, John!

This season, he settles in, gets a decent finish and qualifies for the Europa League before next season doing the Double and winning the League Cup with the kids and squad players then winning the Champions League in his third season before moving to Bramley-Moore with its 75,000 capacity, while Messrs Moshiri & Usmanov throw billions into transfer funds. Why would he want to go to Barca or Real?

Well, I suppose it is nearer his home town but by then Mr Brands will have an improved replacement lined up.

All you need is a little faith! Oh, and a fair bit of blind obedience and a shovel full of sugar which is, after all, what we've been doing for far too long.

John Keating
170 Posted 21/05/2018 at 07:03:15
Alan, I hope you're right! Even if we get a small bit of your prediction, it would be more than acceptable.

One thing I really hope we do not do is give the new manager a long contract. Maximum a 2-year deal. And unless it is one of the top boys, a more realistic salary that reflects the true position the Club are actually in. No problem with performance-related deals but the recent ٤ million a year we've paid the last 2 plus the 5 years we gave Martinez! Ridiculous.

Ash Moore
171 Posted 20/05/2018 at 07:10:18
Bill (#142),

I love Weekend at Bernie's and a Goodison remake could be gold. Where's Pellegrini gone? I think he just popped out to get more daiquiri mix...

Alan J Thompson
172 Posted 21/05/2018 at 07:17:33
John (#171); Now picture Blue Bill before the first game of the season at Goodison, in the middle of the pitch, microphone at the ready, script in hand. This isn't a prediction, John, this is a manifesto!

Enter men in white coats...

Keith Monaghan
173 Posted 21/05/2018 at 07:44:50
Colin (re 125):

Bigotry wins you neither friends nor trophies.

My first 20 years of supporting EFC were punctuated with trophy wins amongst a lot of attractive play when we weren't winning medals etc.

Since 1987, apart from an unexpected FA Cup success against the Manc RS, we've not really got close to winning anything – perhaps that says we are a small club in terms of success at least? Painful for us all, but may be true?

Pouring our slop and sentimentality (a la Boys Pen Bill) may be very laudable, but doesn't put trophies in the cabinet. It may be great to sit round at Finch Farm and reminisce with the likes of Dunc, Unsy, Ebbrell, Baxter, Jeffers – it achieves nothing for fans now. What we need is a hard-headed professional approach; that's the way to get success. Which I believe is what we both want.

Brian Williams
174 Posted 21/05/2018 at 08:22:32
Paul (#169)

^5s.

Rob Dolby
175 Posted 21/05/2018 at 08:29:08
If it is to be Silva, he has a hard job on his hands with the existing squad and an even harder job of winning fans over if this thread is anything to go by.

Results will dictate both of the above; if he stinks the house out, we can always call upon Moyes for 6 months then start the merry go round again.

Ray Jacques
176 Posted 21/05/2018 at 08:32:47
Walter Smith's record at Rangers was pretty good as far as I can remember, and that didn't turn out too well at Everton, so to me that dilutes Silva's record in Greece. His record in England is nothing to have me believe he is going to provide stability and move us forward.

Steve Ferns, I do hope you are proven correct and I will happily eat a large slice of humble pie.

ps: The wife will be happy if we appoint Silva!!!!!

Colin Glassar
177 Posted 21/05/2018 at 08:40:11
I agree totally, Keith, but I don't know where the “bigotry” bit fits in?
Tom McEwan
178 Posted 21/05/2018 at 08:44:24
Steve @ 154, I haven't put words in your mouth, please don't put words in mine. I did not say anywhere that he had loads of money in Greece.
Indeed, I have not mentioned his previous jobs abroad, because they are in no way on the same level as the prem.

If you are working on that basis you could make a case for the likes of bloody Mick McCarthy (who incidentally, and unlike Silva, has won more games than he has lost in every job he has had)

I am only interested in his abysmal record in the premiership. Which is PLD 42, W 13, D 8, L 21. His teams scored 53 goals and conceded 80, which hardly confirms your assertion that he is a brilliant defensive coach.

I have little else to add to what Jay Woods [BRZ] has been discussing with you except to say that in my post @149 the end bit appears to be missing for some unknown reason. I finished by saying that your 'logic' regarding Siva's record indicates to me that you either live in a parallel universe, or are just a wind up merchant.

However, I am sure if he is appointed we will reap what we sow and be having another debate such as this in about 6 months.

So I am gonna leave it now and spend the next six months manipulating facts and convincing myself that Mick McCarthy is the man to take us forward

Paul Tran
179 Posted 21/05/2018 at 09:07:56
Cheers, Brian! It's nothing to do with who he managed or what he said, it's because I think appointing him or Pellegrini would be looking backwards.

Incidentally, my West Ham mates are already wondering how long he'd last there!

Brian Harrison
180 Posted 21/05/2018 at 09:36:02
I see some of the papers over the weekend were suggesting that Riola the football agent will work closely with Marcel Brands to bring players to Goodison. Obviously, Mendes has done exactly that for Wolves this season, and will continue to do so next season.

So is this a good or a bad thing getting football agents working on behalf of football clubs? I can well imagine that it will at some point cause a conflict of interests: What if Riola recommends one of his players and the manager rejects the idea? Or will we have a scenario were players are signed on the say so of a football agent working for the club, with or without the agreement of the manager?

I think it's a bit like letting the fox into the chicken shed and then wondering how come all the chickens have been killed. The money these men make out of football is obscene, and to give them the influence to basically write their own cheques seems madness to me.

Andy Codling
181 Posted 21/05/2018 at 10:09:54
Brian (#179),

Didn't Moshiri spout something about Barkley's agent wanting Koeman signed from Southampton, etc?

David Midgley
182 Posted 21/05/2018 at 10:34:04
Steve (#166). I have seen the references to Simeone. I haven't seen anything referencing whether he contacted Everton out of the blue or vice versa. Nor anything about what happened. Who knows who we've spoken to?

Brands will have an input into the managerial selection, he has to work with him. He will know our situation regarding our needs and will hopefully surprise as to who comes in. Could the deafening silence be because Everton have other irons in the fire? Could there be someone else?

Remember those days during Catterick's era when nothing was said, everything was silent until a deal was done and the new player was signed and announced??

Players, manager, it won't be Moshiri's choice alone otherwise it would be pointless having a DOF. Brands I think, will have known some time ago that he was coming here you don't just spot a job in the Dutch Echo and say "fancy going to Liverpool to live?" He will have done his homework regarding our players and our style, he will also have assessed our needs. (He must have been bored watching those videos...)

I wonder if he has seen us live (well almost alive) and got the feeling of The Old Lady. Perhaps, hopefully, he has players out there who can come in and help form a team.

This post, like all the others I've read – and there have been may knowledgeable ones – is pure speculation. It doesn't matter what we think, want, demand or believe... it's like waiting for a baby: It will happen when it happens.

Julian Exshaw
183 Posted 21/05/2018 at 11:04:50
Most of these accomplished 'foreign' managers have big egos which need nurturing. So, they usually go for big Champions League teams, or money or if they have to manage non-Champions League teams in England they tend to opt for a team in London.

Unless Moshiri is offering mega bucks, they won't come to Everton. As a result, we have to fish in other waters for our managers. I will also back Silva and he may surprise us if appointed.

Phil Walling
184 Posted 21/05/2018 at 11:17:00
Re #179. A case of Brands being paid the money and getting some other beggar to do the work. That way, the Club pays twice.

What a zany world football inhabits — and Moshiri is as daft as all of them!

Steve Brown
185 Posted 21/05/2018 at 11:26:22
Jay @ 112 has the link to the podcast mentioning Simeone and the time you forward to to listen to the pertinent section if anyone wants to hear it.

I think we'd all agree that we have more confidence if Brands has his hands around the hiring process than Moshiri, Kenwright, Elstone, Wood and Walsh. So I agree — let's just wait and see now.

Derek Knox
186 Posted 21/05/2018 at 11:52:27
This idea of getting Raiola in cahoots, is one that worries me, to be honest, I absolutely detest agents on both sides of any transfer deals.

Whether you are buying or selling, a player who is probably realistically worth £X million in the market, they (agents) get involved, having primed some journos to portray the player as the next Messi, or potentially Roy of the Rovers status.

Next thing, they are talking ١-4 million or more, then that sets a Ratwheel spinning, and it escalates exponentially, as do the agent's fees!

Nine times out of ten, the player turns out to be not even worth £X million. This is the thin edge of the wedge that is gradually destroying football.

Next thing, the agents will have agents, God Forbid.

Paul Mackay
187 Posted 21/05/2018 at 12:09:18
All great managers have to start some where. A club needs to give them a chance, perhaps they need a few lucky breaks early on in their career to get kick-started.

If we are honest, Everton are no longer a top 6 club. They have not won anything in almost 25 years. We are never going to attract a big name and I'm talking a manager who most people would rank in the top 10 best managers in the world.

With that in mind, I don't want to take someone with a chequered history. Some wins, some losses. I'd rather take a chance on a lesser name but someone with heaps of potential, someone who has already started to make a name for themselves. I'd rather that be a British manager as opposed to a Silva etc.

Therefore my pick would be Howe. He's done an amazing job at Bournemouth. Young, British. Players talk well of him, he seems popular, a good people manager, speaks well, his teams play football, Premier League experience and he's a bloody boyhood Evertonian!

Silva seems to be a done deal, we don't appear to even be interviewing any other candidates? That's a shame. What money on Howe being the No 1 choice after Silva has tried and failed...

Dermot O'Brien
188 Posted 21/05/2018 at 12:16:25
Does anyone know if we are currently in the week that is referred to as "next week" in the headline? And Silva will have his veil removed in the coming days? Or is "next week" the week that is after the week coming, which is currently this week?
Jay Wood
[BRZ]

189 Posted 21/05/2018 at 12:20:31
Derek @ 185.

I understand your concerns that Everton is rumoured to have 'a special working relationship' with Mino Railoa.

This is the man whose first utterance on becoming Lukaku's agent in early 2015 were:

"If we had met each other earlier, he wouldn't have played for Everton." Link

I think there is plenty of evidence he is not the most ethical of agents to deal with.

To be clear, I am not opposed per se to Everton having 'a special working relationship' with agents. Brian Harrison @ 179 references Jorge Mendes (Ronaldo's agent) who works closely with Wolves and it hasn't hurt them.

If we are to go down that path, someone like Mendes is more palatable than Raiola.

Oh! And did I read recently Lukaku has in fact switched agents and is no longer represented by Raiola..?

Tony Abrahams
190 Posted 21/05/2018 at 12:22:33
Good point, Derek, but agents seem to always get the best deals — not only for themselves, but also their clients.

I agree, they are parasites, but they hold a lot of power when they have some of the best players in their stable, so maybe this might turn out to be a good deal?

Steve Ferns
191 Posted 21/05/2018 at 12:30:26
The idea here is that these super agents are like scouts now. They get players identified at a young age. Riola can direct his future stars to Everton to develop.

The problem is he'll surely be directing them out of Everton as well. And then which of our homegrown talent will he be signing up and persuading to leave?

Also, Riola himself is a highly controversial character. There's not a pleasant article about him. I'd rather him be kept away from our club. The potential disadvantages outweigh the advantages for me. But perhaps, this is the future and its best we embrace it now?

Jimmy Hogan
192 Posted 21/05/2018 at 12:39:12
Dermot (#187), as the article was written on Saturday, I am interpreting "next week", as this week and I look forward to an announcement over the next few days.

You know, sometimes it's better to be lucky than good, so let's hope Silva is a lucky manager. And remember, it took Sir Alex Ferguson several years to win something at Man Utd, but the board stuck with him, despite vocal calls for his head from the fans, so let's be patient.

James Marshall
193 Posted 21/05/2018 at 12:45:31
Steve Ferns – citing Silva as having defensive nous based on his time at Olympiacos is like saying Celtic have a good defensive record in Scotland.

The competition in both those leagues puts both teams way out ahead as the best teams, and Silva's defensive record in the Premier League is poor at best.

We all have an opinion on this, which is what makes football interesting, so mine is no more valid than yours, even based on historical stats.

To my mind, he's a gamble for so many reasons, as we've all done to death on here now – I just hope I'm wrong and he's a success.

Steve Ferns
194 Posted 21/05/2018 at 12:46:32
Yeah. It's supposedly today, tomorrow or Wednesday. Twitter users seem to favour tomorrow.
James Marshall
195 Posted 21/05/2018 at 12:52:19
Marco Silva's Twitter page still says he's the Watford manager and all the text is yellow. He'd better get onto that ASAP.
Steve Ferns
196 Posted 21/05/2018 at 12:56:26
It's based on five seasons, James. More than half of the games were at a struggling club (Estoril). The latter two at bigger clubs (Sporting and Olympiacos).

And yes, James. Your opinion is just as valid as anyone's. I just question whether all the critics have looked at Silva properly. I say that because it's always two arguments against him: he went down with Hull and he got sacked by Watford winning just one of his last 11 games.

If you know all about the sensational work he did at Estoril, the trophy he won for Sporting (still their only major trophy in now 10 seasons) and the multiple European record-breaking season he had in Greece winning the league. If you read all the details of that. Saw the mechanics of what he did and understand what he can do for us, and then say he's not good enough. Fair play. Too many read the headline and not the details.

Peter Warren
197 Posted 21/05/2018 at 13:28:09
I really like the look of Silva. His defensive record overall in the Premier League is a little iffy but he was with Hull who were shite and with an average Watford Side. Some of the Football I have seen his sides play is very good. He strikes me that, despite being young, he has good experience.

His loyalty has been called into question; was David Moyes more loyal or just didn't have a better offer? I don't see that as a concern as the Spurs manager shows you need to match the ambition of players and manager to keep them, simple as that.

Everybody is a gamble. Howard Kendall Mk 2 – you would think the glory days are back but that didn't work out. You just never know.

Mike Gaynes
198 Posted 21/05/2018 at 13:46:28
Jay (#188), that is correct. Rom is now represented by Roc Nation, the US agency owned by rapper Jay Z.
Jay Wood
[BRZ]

199 Posted 21/05/2018 at 14:02:00
Steve @ 195.

Whilst you are correct in saying Sporting lost the Portuguese domestic cup final yesterday (and being a follower of Portuguese football and Sporting in particular as you claim, you will be aware of the considerable mitigating circumstances that more than likely impacted on the players in the week leading up to the game), I have to correct you on the following:

"the trophy [Marco Silva] won for Sporting (still their only major trophy in now ten seasons)..."

I'm surprised, as a Sporting follower, you missed the following: 27 January 2018, Portuguese League Cup Final, Sporting 1 Vitoria de Setubal 1, Sporting won 5-4 on penalties.

It doesn't change the Silva debate one iota, but if you are going to continually call out posters for manipulating the data to suit their argument and accuse them of "...reading the headline and not the details" – you really need to be squeaky clean on that score yourself.

Just sayin' like...

Phil Walling
200 Posted 21/05/2018 at 14:10:04
Reading Steve Ferns's daily splurge on our soon to be manager got me wondering whether we were on the dawn of the appearance of a new Richard Dodd.

Oh, how we've missed him; his worship of' Davey, 'his tales of winding up the reds in his beloved 'Freshy' and his trenchant belief that nothing in football counts if it happened before the birth of the Sky Premier League!

Just occasionally, Doddy has posted in criticism of his hero's successors but now we have Ferns's proclamation of the Second Coming clothed in Silva; perhaps we should prepare for Doddy's return to these columns (albeit named Ferns.) Bring it on, I say!

Lawrence Green
201 Posted 21/05/2018 at 14:19:44
Steve, I hope all your positive proclamations about the potential Everton boss come true but, just in case it doesn't pan out the way you think it will, please order a heavy duty tin helmet to protect yourself against the barrage of angry comments which will surely come your way.

Silverware is what we all want to see at Goodison, but it's likely we are already beginning to suffer from Silva Wear...

James Marshall
202 Posted 21/05/2018 at 14:25:16
I admire Steve for his optimism; I just wish I shared it!

My concerns are based on his personality, and the comments in that vain from Simon Jordan last week. I'm no expert and stats only tell one side of the story..

I'll be delighted if Silva works out and we win games, and none of us have a clue what the future holds.

Sam Hoare
203 Posted 21/05/2018 at 14:28:57
I also will need a tin helmet if Silva goes all wrong. He's been my choice since last year and though I may not be quite as assured as Steve Ferns I will be excited if (when?) Marco comes.

We've needed a manager who can actually coach for some time and, though I expect there to be some teething issues, I reckon it will be a brighter future.

Steve Ferns
204 Posted 21/05/2018 at 14:29:37
Jay, I said 'major trophy'. The Portuguese League Cup is not a major trophy. There is no European place at stake for winning it, and clubs do not take it seriously at all. They also won the Super Cup (Charity Shield) just after Silva left.

Lawrence, I would happily have Fonseca, Emery, Jardim, or Nagelsmann. I want to see Everton appoint a talented coach who can work with the players we have. My preference is of course Silva, who I think is the better coach of the lot.

It's easy to be critical. But I think we have lots of reasons to be positive with the money of Moshiri and the potential new stadium. If the appointment goes wrong, then this could all turn to sand. So I'm anxious we get this right.

Mike Gaynes
205 Posted 21/05/2018 at 14:30:50
Lawrence, nice pun. You, sir, are a Silva-Tongued Devil.

And I agree that Steve, to whom every cloud has a Silva lining, had better prepare himself for some Silva bullets if things don't work out.

Paul Smith
206 Posted 21/05/2018 at 14:41:25
Emery to hold talks with Arsenal according to Guillem Balague.

Would he come here? Have we inquired about his services? Has he heard of the project?

Seems the only one is Silva.

Phil Walling
207 Posted 21/05/2018 at 14:41:28
Steve, but you don't improve the chances of getting it right by basing the process of appointment on only one candidate which is certainly what is happening here.

Kenwright went this lazy way when he opted for Matinez whilst pretending the likes of Weir and Stubbs were serious candidates. No lesson learned there then... and at least Kenwright knew just a little about the game – and had Broken Leg Whelan to advise him on the right guy!

Tony Abrahams
208 Posted 21/05/2018 at 14:41:56
I wonder if Lukaku, has changed agents because of the voodoo?

Raymond Fox
209 Posted 21/05/2018 at 14:44:08
Its a "frying pan into the fire" appointment for me — how long is this guy going to last? My money is going on not long!

I've said before (many times) Jesus couldn't make our squad into a top 6 contender never mind Silva.

I hope he does well... but is he an improvement on our last 3 managers? Not to my eyes he's not.

Mike Gaynes
210 Posted 21/05/2018 at 14:56:11
Tony, Lukaku hangs out in Los Angeles during the summer, and I'm pretty sure Jay Z can hook him up with way better parties and a much hotter class of women than Riaola could ever dream of.

Rom's gonna have some serious fun here after the World Cup.

Stephen Davies
211 Posted 21/05/2018 at 15:01:03
I've no idea whether Silva would be a good or bad appointment. However, probably some of the best piece of evidence is from players or colleagues who have either played for him or worked with him.

I've seen nothing to the contrary that doesn't suggest that he's an excellent coach and man-manager.

Have a read of the following, a selection of quotes from ex-players who worked under Silva. All are very complimentary.

The People's Forum: Marco Silva


Kevin Tully
212 Posted 21/05/2018 at 15:11:58
Let's be honest, anyone who says our next manager will fall flat on his face is about 1/33 to be proven correct.

It's been 37 years now since Howard Kendall Mk 1 – the last time we employed a winning manager. It's not all about money either, Wenger won the League with a minus net spend.

Since Kenwright has held the reigns, anyone considered for the post had to be a Kenwright sycophant, and never complain to the press about lack of funds, players being sold, club ran like a corner shop... take your pick. We have all been willing conspirators in the 'production', because we have let him set the tone of "Plucky little Everton".

This parochial club of ours was never going to scour the continent for anyone who might upset the cosy boardroom set-up. We now have a chance to break free from the 1970s, and get new people on board, like Brands, like Silva, who can bring some fresh thinking to our approach. They need to be given time and resources. Would Koeman have spent 𧵎k a week on a proven striker, rather than a bench-warmer from Man Utd? Too right he would have. Who brought 'our boy' home again?

They simply have to start by breaking up this retirement home for ex-players though. To me, they constitute everything that's wrong with this club. Giving people a coaching job, regardless of their talent, proves that we are ridiculously sentimental, in a world full of ruthless bastards. Let them go and prove themselves elsewhere, Unsworth, Ferguson, Jeffers et al. If they are good enough, then they have absolutely nothing to fear. I'm sick of seeing failure being rewarded with cushy contracts. It's a symptom of the lack of a winning mentality that wafts through the corridors of Goodison Park.

John G Davies
213 Posted 21/05/2018 at 15:25:45
Dead right, Kevin @ 213.

It won't stop the "I told you so" gang though, unfortunately.

John McFarlane Snr
214 Posted 21/05/2018 at 15:30:23
Hi everyone, I try not to get involved in the kind of debate that is taking place now, regarding the appointment of a new Manager. Rapidly approaching my 80th birthday I have realised that, whoever Everton choose, there will be some delighted and others disappointed.

We all have, and are entitled to express, our opinions... but, no matter what those opinions may be, they will have no bearing on the eventual outcome.

Let's hope that Everton make the right decision but, as I've said, we have no control over that. I appreciate that we, as supporters, forced the board's hand over the Sam Allardyce affair but that was a different 'kettle of fish'.

I get my enjoyment now by discussing things that have taken place, rather than things that may, or may not occur. It's also true that I've got more to look back on, rather than predicting things that may, or may not occur.

You'll no doubt be glad to hear that this will be my last word on the subject.

Steve Hogan
215 Posted 21/05/2018 at 15:30:48
Kevin (#213)

The 'jobs for the boys' syndrome was also allowed to ferment and prosper under Moyes. Remember Neville, Osman and Hibbert given stupidly generous extended contracts in their thirties.

Hibbert in particular started four games in three years and was given yet another contract by the Ginger One.

Then, he had the audacity to moan to the Echo about the club 'not telling him face to face' that his final contract wouldn't be renewed.

You couldn't make it up.

Kevin Tully
216 Posted 21/05/2018 at 15:38:38
Correct, Steve — only at Everton.

I would start by drawing a line in the sand. No player over the age of 30 is to be given any longer than a 12-month contract. That's after I sacked about 20 hangers-on.

Mike Allison
217 Posted 21/05/2018 at 15:44:57
I think John McFarlane Snr is somewhere in the region of saying ‘stop having such strong opinions about things we simply cannot know at this stage.' If that's not a fair paraphrase, then I apologise, but it certainly sums up my feelings.

None of you know much about how well Marco Silva will do for Everton. He could be brilliant, he could be terrible, he could be anything in between, but all the evidence we've got is limited, partial, highly contextual and, frankly, entirely inconclusive. Just wait and see who's appointed, hope like hell they do a good job and try not to interpret everything that happens in a way that matches your pre-conceived, and only partially informed, opinion of him.

Otherwise you just sound like a bunch of told-you-so merchants trying to set up your next told-you-so. That is a very easy and cowardly thing to do, especially if you're predicting negatively. Good on Steve Ferns for at least trying to be positive, but I get the feeling this thread is simply the first iteration of something that will be repeated ad nauseum for as long as the next man is in charge.

Tony Abrahams
218 Posted 21/05/2018 at 16:08:16
Good voodoo then, Mike? I wonder if his old agent wouldn't back him up when Moshiri told his tale... but, either way, I'm sure it must be better partying with Jay Z than playing basketball with Paul!
Jim Bailey
219 Posted 21/05/2018 at 16:11:12
Mike Allison @217.

Perfect.

Jay Wood
[BRZ]

220 Posted 21/05/2018 at 16:12:21
Steve @ 204.

"I said 'major trophy'. The Portuguese League Cup is not a major trophy."

Sorry, but that's a total cop-out Steve. It is as competitive as our own League Cup, perhaps even more so because the early rounds have mini-leagues so there are multiple games to be played before even reaching the knock-out phase.

Like our own League Cup it is the 'lesser' of the 3 Portuguese domestic trophies, but I'm not going to allow you to continue to claim Silva is the only Sporting manager in 10 years to land a trophy. That is an out-and-out lie, which you have flagrantly chosen to compound in your last post.

You've made a strong and positive case for Silva, Steve. Don't dilute that by trying to negate (deny, even!) irrefutable facts and truths, or dismissing without proper consideration very legitimate counter views being offered.

Jay Wood
[BRZ]

221 Posted 21/05/2018 at 16:16:51
John Mac @ 214 and Mike Allison @ 217.

TW is what it is. You can't attempt to be 'prescriptive' about what people choose to post on — and long may that be the case.

Tony Everan
222 Posted 21/05/2018 at 16:16:58
How do we measure success with Silva? It needs to be decided now so criticisms are fair.

The best and fairest way is does he exceed what the bookies expect him to do? The money men do their homework and therefore they are the best measure.

Look at the spread markets for ‘expected' points to be next May, a total guess — 56 points? If he achieves more, he has been a success.

Where are we ‘expected' to get to in the cups? A semi-final at the very least in one of them?

Importantly, remember this is nothing to do with what YOU expect, it is what is generally expected by neutrals and people prepared to lay bets on the outcomes.

If we exceed that he has been successful, relative to what was expected. As long as we are playing decent football.

Obviously it may not be as successful as we want but it would be a big improvement. The team will have hiccups and poor games, but it is the business end of the season that ultimately counts.

I'm appealing for some kind of unity, backing Silva through the ups and downs of this season. Give him a chance to exceed expectations. Success or failure in whatever form won't be clear until this time next year.

Gary Russell
223 Posted 21/05/2018 at 16:27:02
My gob's bigger than your gob. Hind and Mocks, Ferns and Wood... bring back Doddy and Marsh, at least they were entertaining.

Ruane and Daly — come back soon as the Phil-ins from the Wailing Wall don't cut it or the other beheards at all costs. Some people could do with taking a break for a wee while, catch their breath like. Ego street is always open.

Yes, fire away.

Dermot Byrne
224 Posted 21/05/2018 at 16:30:28
Tony (#222): I really admire the thoughts behind your email but think it may be like herding cats. There are some who will be bloody miserable from Day 1 (whoever it is, to be honest!); others (and hopefully most) will have reasonable expectations and patience... and others will love him even if we sink down into The Championship.

I think a reasonable start would help him and us. And most of all, for me, the number of sideways and backward passes dropping by 10% would be a big step forward!

Steve Ferns
225 Posted 21/05/2018 at 16:39:11
Jay, you might call it a cop-out, but I was very aware Sporting had won that and the Super Cup. They did so winning only one game.

The clubs in Europe don't take the League Cup competition at all seriously. They got rid of it and recently brought it back. It's mainly for the lower sides, as the Portuguese season is 30 games long. The early rounds sees a group system so they can all get an extra 3 games in.

Sporting won one game in the group and then drew there way to the final and even won that on penalties. They even played a number of finals at the Algarve Stadium, a real white elephant. They've never played it at the national stadium since they brought it back. They don't take it seriously at all, Jay.

There's no major team in the Algarve, only Ferense (of Faro) but they're usually in the second tier and get crowds of a couple of thousand. And Loulé who are clinging on in the second tier at the moment. And from what I can see only Gibraltar use it at the moment. I've taken a few trips past it on my bike, great cycling around there.

Gary Russell
226 Posted 21/05/2018 at 16:39:36
Oops, silly me. Latest score, Sanctimonious United 78 - Self-Satisfied 76
John Pierce
227 Posted 21/05/2018 at 16:40:16
Chuckle-worthy that, Gary. Not too far from the truth either.
Steve Ferns
228 Posted 21/05/2018 at 16:42:21
Tony, success will be if he wins a trophy. Everyone will be behind him. Just as we were behind Allardyce. Even if it was with gritted teeth. Just look at how much the match-going crowd got behind Martinez, even though very few wanted him.

Whoever the manager is, he will be backed, and given time. He must deliver results though.

Mike Gaynes
229 Posted 21/05/2018 at 16:44:02
Gary (#223), bravo. And thanks for the chuckle.

Tony (#218), those two activities are not mutually exclusive. In Malibu, he can probably do both at the same time!

Mike Gaynes
230 Posted 21/05/2018 at 16:45:35
Gary (#225), okay, stop it, I'm toppling off my chair here. And I'm supposed to be working.
Jay Wood
[BRZ]

231 Posted 21/05/2018 at 16:54:09
And a scoreline coming in from the 'Sit and Snipe but don't contribute League' is Insipid 0 Trite 0.

Pretty much as expected.

Mike Gaynes
232 Posted 21/05/2018 at 17:00:31
Jay, I know I've said this before, but geez, mate, you really have to work on finding yourself a sense of humor. Have somebody buy you one for your next birthday. Maybe have a "lighten up" button installed on your keyboard.

Life really is more fun if you don't take yourself so seriously.

Brian Williams
233 Posted 21/05/2018 at 17:06:23
Steve Ferns.

What is the average air speed of a laden swallow?

African or European, either's fine.

Jay Wood
[BRZ]

234 Posted 21/05/2018 at 17:08:12
Oh per-lease, Mike.

Stop pretending you have deep insight into the persona of each and every poster on TW, and more, that you consider yourself qualified to pontificate in a very personal manner as you regularly do.

And you accuse me of taking myself too seriously?

Phtt...

Steve Ferns
235 Posted 21/05/2018 at 17:09:19
Haha... A python fan, eh Brian?
Gary Russell
236 Posted 21/05/2018 at 17:11:36
What an interesting, distinctive and stimulating response, Jay. You make a lot of good points, and I enjoy most of your posts, honestly. And conveyed a lot more concise than others.

You are not the only one, but 'I have to be heard/right at all costs' can get a bit much. Yes, I don't have to read. But I thought a reminder on how posts can get a bit insipid, and quite frankly, a bit trite might add a bit of colour. Know what I mean...
Just saying, like

John G Davies
237 Posted 21/05/2018 at 17:14:19
Jay

Come on mate, it's only opinion, we all have one. Take a walk down the beach pal, it will probably be swarming with Brazilian beauties, down a caprinha and relax man.

Brian Williams
238 Posted 21/05/2018 at 17:19:39
Tony (#222).

Personally, I would measure Silva's success on: at least matching our 8th place finish while having played football that has actually excited us enough to get us off our seats now and then. I would add to that: we must have been in with a chance during the game of actually winning occasionally against the top six rather than accepting defeat before kick off. Lastly, a home derby win.

If he does more than the above, then I think, bearing in mind it would be his first season, most of us would be relatively happy.

I'm not, by the way, saying that the above should be the pinnacle of his, and the club's, aim at the start of next season but, if the above was achieved and we could all see that there was actually a progression plan, then I don't think we'd have a lot to moan about... although some of us most definitely would moan. :-)

Brian Williams
239 Posted 21/05/2018 at 17:20:29
Steve (#235).

Of course mate, who from our era (and beyond) isn't?

Mike Gaynes
240 Posted 21/05/2018 at 17:22:33
Steve, I just found this on a biology website. Really.

Silver Fern (Cyathea dealbata), also known as punga, is a species of medium-sized tree fern, endemic to New Zealand.

Silva Ferns (Cycletus debatus), also known as pundit, is a species of cheerleader for specific managerial candidates, endemic to ToffeeWeb.

You are a genus unto yourself.

Gary Russell
241 Posted 21/05/2018 at 17:24:43
Sorry lads, can't contribute as I am busy watching Gogglebox. Catch ya soon
Mike Gaynes
242 Posted 21/05/2018 at 17:29:52
Thanks for making my point, Jay.
Paul Tran
243 Posted 21/05/2018 at 18:07:38
Kevin (#212), a bit of sense amid the sea of meaningless statistics. Spot-on.
Dermot Byrne
244 Posted 21/05/2018 at 18:29:20
Headline on some sites:

Everton's next manager: Bookies cut Marco Silva odds, David Moyes 2nd favourite...

Eek!

Neil Copeland
245 Posted 21/05/2018 at 19:16:17
I think a measure of Silva's success would be to have 50% or less negative posts on here after 20 mins of his first game in charge.
Tony Everan
246 Posted 21/05/2018 at 19:23:50
Agreed, Kevin (# 212),

Bang on the money.

Tony Everan
247 Posted 21/05/2018 at 19:25:53
Neil,

More chance of Elvis doing the half-time entertainment.

Neil Copeland
248 Posted 21/05/2018 at 19:30:44
Tony, nice one. Perhaps I should have typed 90% or less.
Dave Williams
249 Posted 21/05/2018 at 20:46:20
Andre Villas-Boas down to 7/1 from 25s...
Joe McMahon
250 Posted 21/05/2018 at 20:52:10
Tony (#252),

Be careful now, remember many Evertonians wanted David Unsworth as manager. The fact that he's gone back to the U23s says it all.

Stephen Beattie
251 Posted 21/05/2018 at 20:52:25
Bring on Arteta for us! No more of a gamble than Silva. Pep wouldn't have him near Man City if he wasn't a good coach. Class written all over him. We already have our DOF so Arteta can coach us in the style of how he used to play. Any issues defensively, Unsworth can be assistant.
Don Alexander
252 Posted 21/05/2018 at 21:05:48
I hope whoever gets the job has more insight into people than someone who can respond to (gentleman) John McFarlane Snr's comment, "We all have, and are entitled to express, our opinions" (#214), with such a half-assed response as;

"(John) you can't attempt to be 'prescriptive' about what people choose to post on." (#221).

Then again, maybe Allardyce's weird pronouncements were infectious to some.

Joe McMahon
253 Posted 21/05/2018 at 21:16:47
Kevin Tully (#212) fantastic post, agree with every word! But already since Arsenal have seen sense, we have people posting on here Arteta as manager and Unsworth as assistant. It seems (as we already know) some fans just as "the Everton Family – People's Club" as Kenwright himself. I bet Gareth Farrelly has been sat next to his phone for the last 20 years waiting for "the Call"...

This is a hard-nosed professional business and Everton Kenwright decades are not. Still let's all be one big blue family as the Reds win No 6 on Saturday.

William Gall
254 Posted 21/05/2018 at 21:21:02
Andre Villas Boas down to 5/1.
Stephen Beattie
255 Posted 21/05/2018 at 21:28:41
Joe, I am the “people” you're referring to. I want a hungry manager who, if successful, might actually stick around. We already have our external DOF.

As I said, Arteta must know something to be employed by one of the most successful managers ever in Pep. I only suggested Unsworth if Arteta hasn't got as much about him defensively but that could be unfair on Arteta as his playing style could have nothing to do with his tactical nous.

If Silva comes, I'll support him 100% but I have my doubts over his record, both in terms of winning and staying power.

Joe McMahon
256 Posted 21/05/2018 at 21:38:47
Stephen, Arteta would need Brands; correct. I would take that but with a proper coaching team, not Unsworth, Ferguson etc. We need winners.

My first (realistic) choice would always be Rafa, but sadly for anything near the top mangers Everton won't be first choice, or indeed any choice. My real first choice would be Diego Simeone, but that is fantasy talk and will never happen.

Tony Sullivan
257 Posted 21/05/2018 at 21:43:45
Get Wenger with Arteta, the real dream team. Proven winners with CVs to match.
Tony Everan
258 Posted 21/05/2018 at 22:01:01
William (#253),

Makes you wonder whether he has been interviewed on the quiet.

Jay Wood
[BRZ]

259 Posted 21/05/2018 at 23:19:59
Yer clerical dog collar choking yer again, Don...?

Give a dog a bone, eh?

Woof! Woof!

Don Alexander
260 Posted 22/05/2018 at 00:43:38
Not at all Jay (#259), as a matter of faith I've never been in a church since childhood, it's just that I'm of the opinion that being personally critical of fellow Toffees on TW is beyond the pale. In my opinion, it smacks of know-all, yada-yada-yada conceit within the critic and is, frankly, boring. I don't think I'm the only one to think so either, even on this thread.

Have a "nice" day!

NB, a great deal of what you say about Everton Football Club, rather than its fans, in my opinion, hits the bull's-eye, as does Darren Hind.

Best wishes.

Oscar Huglin
261 Posted 22/05/2018 at 11:46:45
I would bloody LOVE Arteta. I don't care what anyone else says.

Imagine an evening game at Goodison. Squeezing out a 1-0 win vs the RS. The entire crowd bursting into a chorus of "Follow, follow, follow "

Stuff dreams are made of.

Fran Mitchell
262 Posted 22/05/2018 at 12:23:38
Silva seems a good fit I think, certainly more so than Pellegrini.

He is highly rated, has proven he can do it at two Premier League clubs... albeit with some improvements to be made, and during shit periods.

As I have said before, Pochettino at Spurs was unproven, but had done enough to show that, with better resources, he could do something special. Silva has that edge, I think.

Both Hull and Watford are awful football teams, bar one or two players, but he had them working and playing decent football. And his record abroad shows someone with ability. He's only 40, so there is much potential also.

Arteta would indeed be an exciting proposal, but a complete jump into the unknown. The next Guardiola or the next Steve McClaren / Gary Neville?

Pellegrini is old, pretty much ambitionless, and in the Premier League what did he do? Won the league with Man City's billions, hardly proof he could make us and our odd shaped squad a top quality side. His good work at Villarreal was what, 10+ years ago?

Jay Wood
[BRZ]

263 Posted 22/05/2018 at 13:19:44
Don. Let me spell it out for you.

This thread has been running for 4 days on the hottest topic related to Everton.

It has had multiple posters, full of diverse opinion, well-structured, well-argued, carried out in a very civil manner. It has been overwhelmingly informative and educational, for those with the mind and inclination to read the posts.

Mid-afternoon yesterday, there was some 'clucking' by a handful of posters. They contributed nothing - nothing at all - to the theme of the thread. Their posts were ad hominem in nature, sniping at individual or unnamed posters.

Ever seen One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest Don? The scene where McMurphy watches on in amazement during one of the manipulative Nurse Ratched 'therapy' sessions in which all the patients start sniping at each other? After the session ends, McMurphy describes them all as 'chickens at a peckin' party'.

There was a similar flurry of feathers by a 'count on one hand' number of posters on here for a few posts. As already stated, they contributed nothing at all to the debate, just joined a peckin' party.

This included Gary Russell (and I say the following not to denigrate Gary but as a true statement: before yesterday I had never seen his name. I have absolutely no recall of anything he has ever posted on TW). Mike Gaynes. Mike Allison and (in passing) John Pierce and John G. Davies. And of course we can throw your name into the mix.

When (very mildly and mockingly) pushed back, there was some nervous clucking in response before all disappeared back into the roost.

As for your first post in the thread, hours after the brief peckin' party, you once again display your hypocrisy, conceit and deceit.

Any contribution to the thread topic by you Don? Nope!

In replying to me you state: "I'm of the opinion that being personally critical of fellow Toffees on TW is beyond the pale. In my opinion it smacks of know-all, yada-yada-yada conceit within the critic and is, frankly, boring. I don't think I'm the only one to think so either, even on this thread."

Putting aside the evident hypocrisy of your first post which drips with 'beyond the pale' personal criticism of a fellow TWer, if you are sincere and consistent in that belief, why don't you take issue with those who were personally critical of me? (Rhetorical question - I already know the answer).

Then we have the deceit of your post @ 252 which is a devious misrepresentation of my short and brief post @ 221, which only the deviant can portray as you attempt to.

I think it is safe to assume that for you Don, personal criticism of a fellow TWer is only 'beyond the pale' if you feel an affinity with said TWer. If it's someone you dislike, shoot the fecker!

Finally, the conceit, once again you presume to assume the role of the Harbinger of TW Morality.

As I've told you before Don, I am very self-aware of how I am perceived on TW. Resented. Mocked, Ridiculed. Boorish, etc, etc. Whatever. That's for others to deal with. Me? I'm comfortable with what I write and how I present my opinons.

And therein lies the fundamental difference between thee and me Don. You have no self-awareness of your frequent hypocrisy, conceit and deceit, nor of the bilious nature of your own self-serving, self-righteous posts.

Don Alexander
264 Posted 22/05/2018 at 13:26:35
Wasn't McMurphy the one with a lobotomy?
Jay Wood
[BRZ]

265 Posted 22/05/2018 at 13:30:49
I think you need to watch the film again, Don.

Then again, in the words of another Jack Nicholson character:

"The truth?! You can't handle the truth!"

John G Davies
266 Posted 22/05/2018 at 14:09:58
I must have missed you "mildly and mockingly pushing me back" Jay.

In the meantime, as we're on the subject of Jack Nicholson characters.

https://youtu.be/DFR5oZQrIVc

Jay Harris
267 Posted 22/05/2018 at 14:59:33
I can't understand all the calls for Arteta. A year or two on the bench with Guardiola does not turn him into Guardiola.

He was a good footballer but has yet to prove his managerial ability and needs to cut his teeth in the lower leagues before getting a Premier League gig.

I understand Sarri may be available. Now that would be a step up from Silva.

Tony Abrahams
268 Posted 22/05/2018 at 15:02:01
Brilliant post, Jay, I just hope it doesn't fall on "the Chief's" deaf ears!
James Stewart
269 Posted 22/05/2018 at 15:05:45
Arteta — a big No Thanks. People have short memories. He shafted us to go to Arsenal and has no managerial experience — zero. A big swerve.

Eddie Howe — You must be joking. His defence makes Martinez's look like it had Maldini in it. They concede some truly atrocious goals.

Silva all the way if those two are the extent of the alternatives.

Mike Gaynes
270 Posted 22/05/2018 at 15:12:00
The bookies suddenly have André Villas-Boas at 7/1, second choice to Silva.
Mike Gaynes
271 Posted 22/05/2018 at 15:16:46
John G (#266),

At least he went out smiling. Do you think he viewed himself as "Resented. Mocked, Ridiculed. Boorish"??

Fran Mitchell
272 Posted 22/05/2018 at 15:22:57
Jay Harris: you think Sarri would go from Napoli to Everton? He would go to a team that plays at the top end of the football table, with regular European football. That is not Everton.

When people mention names like this, makes me realise how much we fall for the "Premier League – best league in the world"™ Sky propaganda. That a manager of a team that regularly competes 2nd in the Italian league would happily move to Everton, just because we are a Premier League team.

Our current level is Howe, Dyche, Silva – managers from 2nd-tier leagues.

Of that level, I think Silva is the best option.

Brent Stephens
273 Posted 22/05/2018 at 15:46:03
Jay (#263) do you think you could spell all that out in a bit more detail?
Derek Knox
274 Posted 22/05/2018 at 16:27:47
McMurphy was like Allardyce in that respect, the Axe was inevitable!
Steve Ferns
275 Posted 22/05/2018 at 16:44:26
Fran asked Jay:

"Do you think Sarri would go from Napoli to Everton? He would go to a team that plays at the top end of the football table, with regular European football. That is not Everton.

When people mention names like this, makes me realise how much we fall for the "Premier League – best league in the world"™ Sky propaganda. That a manager of a team that regularly competes 2nd in the Italian league would happily move to Everton, just because we are a Premier League team."

Fran, you make a good point. I do not believe that Sarri will come to Everton. He's one of them dream appointments I thought completely unrealistic. But that was me forgetting who Maurizio Sarri is. The guy is not normal. I think it's best to describe him as an eccentric. However, I'd go for nutjob. He's a unique individual.

First of all there's his background. He's a banker. He loved football and played to a decent amateur standard, but his day job was as a successful banker working in London (good English) and all over Europe. Then at 40 he packed in playing and moved into coaching. He then got offered a management position and Mr Bonkers quit a high paid bankers job to be a very low paid low level football manager, well into his 40s with little to no chance of ever making the top.

He was actually a top coach and raced up the divisions quickly, and got a job in Serie B. His record was then unremarkable. He had a win ratio of 31%, then dropped to Alessandria in the third tier, as he couldn't get another second tier job. He then had Sorrento flying and jumped to Empoli after less than half of a season (shades of Silva?) and then at Empoli he took them to Serie A and kept them in the division against the odds. He didn't do so by spending money or playing defensive football. He did so playing kids and has-beens. This then got him the Napoli job. Naples is a big city, and Napoli are famous for being Maradona's side and he took them to the title twice. The reality is that they're not really a big club in Italy (well behind Juve, Milan, Inter, Roma, Lazio… ) and so despite having had some moderate success with Benitez and a star player in Higuain, expectations are unrealistic. To guide them to 2nd and to challenge for the title, playing great football and using a lot of young talent shows what a great coach Sarri is.

I would prefer a young hungry manager. Sarri is a lot older, pushing 60. However, I don't want older managers because they lack energy, their ideas are stale and predictable. Just look at Pellegrini and Allardyce. Even a top trophied manager in Carlo Ancelotti has had these accusations thrown at him, by his own players (at Bayern). Sarri is hungry, he's only just made the big time, his ideas are new, and no one knows what to expect from him. He's also completely bonkers. He doesn't like the transfer market (he calls it the refuge of the weak).

Now being completely bonkers, and considering a job at Zenit, is it really inconceivable that Everton cannot sell the club to him and to get him to return to England and have whatever he wants here to leave a lasting legacy? He'd love the academy. He'd love the facilities. He'd hate the weather, but let's throw in all the cigarettes he can smoke and lift any smoking bans at Finch Farm (he's a well known chain-smoker).

Caveat: I do not watch much Italian football outside of James Richardson's show on BT, but Sarri is a fascinating character, and so I have read a lot about him and his methods. That is unlike Silva who's teams I have watched a lot of.

Phil Walling
276 Posted 22/05/2018 at 17:09:00
Why has nobody mentioned the present Fulham manager, Slavisa Jokanovic? After all, the last two we've had have been a fecking joke so, with a name like that, he'd be a riot!

Oh, I forgot, Messer Moshiri gave The Watford Joke the job months ago!

Matt Hunter
277 Posted 22/05/2018 at 18:02:22
I wouldn't want Arteta ever. When he played for Everton, he used to moan at the play-acting of the Arsenal players; once he got to Arsenal, he would be rolling all over the pitch at the slightest touch.

He showed a lack of respect to the Everton fans during the FA Cup Quarterfinal in which he scored a penalty. In reading Osman's book, it is mentioned how Hibbert almost knocked him out based on his crappy attitude in training in the season before he left.

For all these reasons, I don't believe you will get full commitment out of him; he isn't what I would term an Everton Manager.

Martinez, for his faults, always talking up Everton whereas Arteta always seemed to think Everton was beneath him. I remember two interviews with him: one when he arrived and he said Everton was a "small family club"; and another when he commented on our 5-0 defeat in Benfica when he said while watching on TV he was "embarrassed". I don't want him!

Don Alexander
278 Posted 22/05/2018 at 19:56:33
Jay Woods (BRZ), I found this in the 2015 archive, written by a fan taking to task other fans who allegedly go OTT just for venting their spleen over a player (Tim Howard). See if you can guess the identity of the fan who wrote it:


"Alluding to mental health and straight jackets reminds me of Jack Nicholson's McMurphy in 'One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest' recognizing how the evil Nurse Ratched manipulates patients by making them turn on each other as a way to emasculate and control them.

McMurphy describes the process as "a bunch of chickens at a peckin' party."

And that's what so many of threads such as this degenerate into.... loads of squawking and clucking by an angry flock, trying to outdo the others in their indignation and condemnation.

Tim Howard's had a shit season. His interview quite rightly is being challenged by some. But many comments and observations are waaaaayyyyy OTT IMO and says a great deal more about the mindset of the posters than that of TH or any other player lambasted on this pages in a similar vein in recent weeks."


For what it's worth Jay, you were speaking as I do about those who lambast fans. Funny old world in'it?


Jay Harris
279 Posted 22/05/2018 at 20:42:27
Fran,

Why not? Emery is going to Arsenal and the Premier League is seen as the best league in the world.

Everton historically have been far more successful than Napoli. So why not?

Phil Walling
280 Posted 23/05/2018 at 08:56:40
The word in Cyprus 'English' news sources this morning is that Silva has signed a 5-year contract to take him over the ground move period. Just wondering how much compo that will cost the club to get out of long before then!

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