You can beat them but you can't join them... yet

In the context of the media's obsession with the top six, none of the biased coverage since Sunday has been surprising and it has begged the question among Everton fans this week: does it matter?

Lyndon Lloyd 26/04/2019 87comments  |  Jump to last

It would have been very easy for Everton to simply fold after the events at Craven Cottage the weekend before last and stewed in their own depression in the way they appeared to do for weeks after the punch to the gut they suffered at Anfield at the start of last December.

Professionalism alone should dictate that they wouldn't but it's to their credit, and that of Marco Silva, nonetheless that they reacted with what was arguably their best performance — and surely their finest result — of the season so far to thrash Manchester United 4-0 on Sunday.

It was a magnificent display and Evertonians are still on cloud nine but there has been one factor that has diminished the afterglow somewhat for many Blues and that has been the huge imbalance in the post-match analysis of the game, particularly by the television broadcast media.

While the print media, in particular The Guardian's Andy Hunter and Jim White (not that one) in The Telegraph, largely gave Everton their due for destroying the Red Devils, the analysis from the panels on TV dominated by ex-red players (from both ends of the East Lancs Road) or those simply in the thrall of what has come to be known as the Premier League's “big six” was almost entirely focused on Manchester United's collapse.

In the context of that obsession with the top six, none of it was surprising in the least and it has begged the question among Everton fans this week: does it matter? If we don't care what the Red Shite say, should we be bothered what their acolytes and those of the other media darlings drivel on about endlessly on Sky Sports?

In many ways it doesn't — Sunday was an occasion for Blues to revel in as they streamed out of the Grand Old Lady in the Easter sunshine and into pubs to bask in a terrific result. A performance to savour after the embarrassment of the 2-0 defeat to Fulham; a victory over a former peer; and another “big six” scalp taken without the concession of a goal making it four successive matches at Goodison with a clean sheet against that elite clutch of top-flight clubs.

The failure to give Everton their proper due for their mauling of United still irks on a number of levels, though, not least because our great club was a giant of the domestic game at the time of the Premier League's inception. No matter how much you want to ignore it for the most part given that we're no longer a big part of it, there is an ongoing national (and, increasingly, international) conversation and narrative around the country's top league in its biggest sport. It dominates the back pages and has endless hours devoted to it not just on Sky, the BBC and BT Sport but around the world from the likes of beIN Sport in the Middle East to NBC Sports in the United States.

In the wider context of the Premier League as a product — Sky's number one product, it should be noted — with hearts and minds of new fans to be won and the interest of prospective signings to be piqued all the time, it's a PR and exposure imbalance that favours a small group of teams. Logic would dictate that you would want as many stories from up and down the league ladder to be told but the conversation remains concentrated on the top end of the division; on six clubs currently enjoying the status of being the elite and with a lock on the Champions League places.

Some of that is a function of continuity. Leicester City's disruption of the status quo in 2016 was as fleeting as it was stunning. There have only been seven six ever-present Premier League clubs plus nouveaux riches Manchester City which, you could think, would organically lead to the notion of a “big seven” but Everton have flitted only briefly into the conversation when it comes to the top four, in particular, and they haven't won a trophy for 24 years.

Of course, Tottenham have just one two pots to their name in the same time frame, League Cup triumphs 11 and 20 years ago, but they have done what Everton have failed to do and that is vault themselves into the frame by mounting a serious tilt at the League title, establishing themselves as regular qualifiers for the Champions League and, this season, are just two games away from the final of Europe's elite club competition.

As argued in ToffeeWeb's report on Sunday, therein lies Everton's continuing challenge. It is up to our club to force its way into the conversation in the way that Spurs have done in recent years by making tangible progress, enhancing their standing with an impressive new stadium, and becoming a force in the top echelons of the domestic game that cannot be ignored.

The window for that continues to narrow, however, not just because of the disparity in financial resources between the “big six” and the rest that widens with every season but also because of the continued manouevering by the cartel of Europe's biggest clubs to tighten their grip on the Champions League or establish their own breakaway league.

Everton appear to be moving in the right direction again under Silva and Marcel Brands and, as such, another hugely important summer looms. Even at the height of our powers in the 1980s, Everton were never darlings of the national media and flying under the radar might suit us for now but adding some more bona fide talent and providing genuine opposition to the hegemony enjoyed by City, United, Liverpool, Arsenal, Chelsea and Spurs next season will surely start to attract more of the spotlight to Goodison Park and represent another step in the restoration of the Toffees' image as one of England's biggest clubs.

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Mark Andersson
1 Posted 26/04/2019 at 01:30:41
Great article as always...

It's going to take a small miracle to achieve... simply because we still sell our best players once we get a bit of momentum going...

Only time will tell if Silva can build a young squad capable of putting Everton back to were they should be...

As usual though its always next season hope... next seasons dreams... next seasons dissapointment...

I look forward to this season's analyses by all on ToffeeWeb.

On balance, if we have proved that we can match anyone on our day but were also guilty of being dross just when you think we have turned the corner...

I'm glad Silva turned it around and saved his job... I really hope he can build a squad capable of breaking into the top 4 over the next five years.

Joe Corgan
2 Posted 26/04/2019 at 01:40:58
"There have only been seven ever-present Premier League clubs"

Sorry Lyndon, I only count six...

Terence Leong
3 Posted 26/04/2019 at 02:40:06
The best way going forward, is to keep winning and fight for honours.
We can't blame the media, much as it irks us.
In the media, one year is a long time.

As Lyndon rightly points out, even though Spurs have only won one trophy over the past 10 plus years, the fact is that they have kept competing and made themselves a genuine contender, not just for CL places, but also title hopefuls.

And they consistently shown made the case that they should be the dominant power in their North London rivalry with Arsenal.

Liverpool was actually in danger of dropping out of the picture as a dominant force, until last season, when Salah joined them. Prior to Salah joining them, they were struggling to make top 4. And then in the space of one year, they made CL finals etc.

In this time and age of social media, if we keep winning, and with style, and are able to keep/attract players, it's unlikely that we won't get the due recognition when we start to win things.

Steve Ferns
4 Posted 26/04/2019 at 02:47:52
Agreed Joe. He’s counted Man City, I expect, as they were founders but we all know what happened to them.

Other than that error, good article, but perhaps not quite your very best.

Kieran Kinsella
5 Posted 26/04/2019 at 03:14:47
Everton apart, I saw then read about both Palace and Wolves beating Arsenal 3-1 in the last week. Neither team got any credit, it was the usual cliches about Mustafi's defending and Ozil's shitness. As Lyndon says, it doesn't really matter. Sky could add a channel with a 2- hour loop of Graeme Souness saying “Everton are shit” and it would have zero impact on results.
Fran Mitchell
6 Posted 26/04/2019 at 04:45:47
I would like to see a league table made of Paul Merson's predictions. I would expect the top six to all get 100+ points, with the rest of the league getting 20-45 points each. From what I see of his predictions, Everton would get 20 points at most, 20 0-0 draws.

At the end of the day, it's all about clicks and money. The top-6, particularly Utd and the Shite, have huge fan bases world wide. So the Guardian writing an article focused on Everton's improved tactical approach and use of the high press will get few clicks and 50 comments. A guardian article about crisis in Old Trafford will get massive clicks, retweets,shares, ans 754 comments.

So no, it's all part of the game and we need to do what spurs did. Break the barrier and join them despite the them.

Eric Myles
7 Posted 26/04/2019 at 05:01:09
We must be scaring them since the press are now linking our players with Utd. and even The Poo.
Darren Hind
8 Posted 26/04/2019 at 05:26:35
Its our own fault Lyndon. Nobody else's.

David Moyes was brilliant for this club for 2-3 years and in terms of performance he must be given credit for the results and league positions he manged to dig out. . but he did untold damage not just to our image but to our self image.

Lets be clear here our fall from grace happened long before Moyes came along. If he "rescued us" - and he did, we clearly needed rescuing, but that "glass ceiling" he created ? It hurts to type the words.
Nobody dismissed Everton from footballs elite table, we simply made our excuses and left.

Many would argue we were a bigger club than Man United last time we won the league. How daft does that sound now ? but while they were demonstrating, vision, intent and desire to be an elite club by building an empire, we were mulling over whether to put a second tier on Park End stand. While clubs like Arsenal, United and The Shite aggressively marketed themselves globally, Anyone living outside Birkenhead, Crosby or Two dogs would find themselves having to drive here to buy an Everton mug.
We didnt just rest on our laurels, become a sleeping giant. We lay down and went into a coma.
We became a sitting duck for a predator - Enter uncle Bill.

We fell down the mountain. its no good moaning that people at the top don't want to talk about us. We haven't been part of the conversation for years. A few wins wont alter that.
When we do climb back up the mountain, I want us to climb back up the other side. I don't want Everton to be part of an elitist club I have come to despise. I never want Evertonians to sound like Chav's, I don't want us to become the media darlings like the Manc clubs. I don't want to see the sort of gobshiterey which now engulfs a once fine LFC to become attractive and desirable.

Fuck them. Fuck them all. These so called elite six represent everything that is wrong with the game. I have no desire to be part of them and I don't give a fuck if they don't talk about us.

I don't want us to be one of the pigeons. I want us to be the cat amongst them. I want us to do what Leicester City briefly did. . every week. Every year

When they do leave the league to be part of an elite European set up. I want us to have already established ourselves as their nemesis. I don't want them swaggering away, nor do I want to go with them.
I want them to be under no illusions that they have been fucked off and they are leaving with their tails firmly between their legs.

Peter Howard
9 Posted 26/04/2019 at 05:53:20

Very well put.

I totally agree.

Lyndon Lloyd
10 Posted 26/04/2019 at 06:09:27
Thanks, Joe (2). I knew that, of course but it goes to show how their current dominance has altered my subconscious into automatically assuming they've been in the top flight for the past 27 years when they haven't!
Rick Tarleton
11 Posted 26/04/2019 at 06:10:30
Fran Mitchell has hit the nail on the head. the producers on Sunday were yelling down the ears of the "pundits", "Talk about United". The plastic fans in England and round the world are interested only in our big six and in particular United and Liverpool, so the "pundits" and Sky focus on them. Of those people watching the game on Sunday, 60% enjoyed the upset, 30% were United fans and perhaps 10% of us were blues.
Kevin O'Regan
12 Posted 26/04/2019 at 07:45:14
I missed the match unfortunately but caught a glimpse of the TW live forum shortly afterwards and it made sick. All I could see were comments about the reds across the park - so without focusing too much on the media and their obsession, how about our own fans focusing on EFC - forget about the top 6 and get behind our team - look forward and not back in bitterness or regret. If we cannot do that then we will remain stuck in the past. Our history is important and a treasure, but when it comes to here and now, we need to focus on our strengths, on the present and future and forget our obsessions with trying to be like the others... we're not - and never will be like them - I hope.. we're different - and we need to use that difference and something special by being positive, by looking forward.
As Darren says, much of our own fault. If Football wants to be just a business, just Media, just about profits and ridiculous fees and wages, then I'm not sure how many would want to jump on that boring train. But we know it will always be much more than that as a toffee, as real fans.
Christine Foster
13 Posted 26/04/2019 at 07:56:38
I have to say I agree wholeheartedly with Darren, the top six have been manufactured because of eligibility to Europe as if that's the only thing that matters. Tell that to the other 86 clubs in the leagues. Let them go, it will be the best thing ever for football.
The bias of punditry is infectious and self delusional. They choose players from the 6 as pundits who focus solely on what and who they know, the clubs that fed their over bloated ego and bank balances. Are fans who watch Sky and their self appointed elite going to want to hear the views of Leon Osmans or even Tim Cahill?
Except of course Sky and its ilk have a vested interest in keeping and perpetuating the myth of the top six being all that matter. Do we honestly think that without those teams the Premier league would get the same financial backing from tv rights?
It would be like having another Championship league, full of endeavour but no holy grail.

I watched the game on Bein Sports, Andy Gray, Tim Cahill and Richard Keynes, The latter said several times and apologised to all blues fans in doing so, that Everton were terrific but the news story would be how bad Man ure were. He was right in his way but at least he had the balls to be honest about it.

Sky should for the sake of revamping a broken approach, refresh their pundit team weekly, game by game no regulars, the worst thing ever for us as viewers would be the RS winning the league, because that will only reinforce the entrenchment of Sourness and red coloured ego inflated ball bags that wallow in their own self importance.

Everton football club not only missed the boat but allowed the rats to devour the ship. We have been a shell of our former selves since the Premier league began, we lacked the vision, the muscle and we're complacent. That complacency turn into negligence and opened the door to the shark infested waters of shady money, asset strippers and tax exiles. It has been an awful chapter in a great club who now have to forge a different path to greatness once more.
I like Darren analogy of the cat amongst the pigeons, I don't want to be another sky club in the top six, I want to be the thorn in the side of everyone of them until they go and form a super league...The very thought of it makes me laugh, wouldn't it be good for our game if upon leaving the EU we were no longer eligible for the champions league or the Europe?

Jimmy Hogan
14 Posted 26/04/2019 at 08:22:13
The top six are the top six because of money. Yes, Leicester broke through for one freak season, but unless we get a significant cash injection (please Mr Usmanov) I think our glass ceiling will always be seventh.
Tony Abrahams
15 Posted 26/04/2019 at 08:23:36
The cat amongst the pigeons will also do for me, which is exactly what all the Liverpool biased pundits, were trying to do to Manchester United, because they were desperate for a reaction considering who they were playing next.
Dave Abrahams
16 Posted 26/04/2019 at 09:32:34
Great article Lyndon, brilliant follow ups from Darren and Christine.

Just a brief note about Sky tv, when you argue with the arm chair Liverpudlians you are arguing with the opinions they have formed from watching tv they are brain washed by it.

Paul O'Neill
17 Posted 26/04/2019 at 09:51:02
Excellent article. May I be tarred and feathered for my Statto tendencies but Spurs actually won the League Cup in 1999 as well. I only remember because my ‘Tottingham’ loving housemate (at Liverpool uni no less) careered drunkenly round our student living room in Kensington and collapsed drunkenly on the sofa with joy having watched the game down the pub.
Jerome Shields
18 Posted 26/04/2019 at 10:42:12
I take on board you point about obsessions with top this or that. It is correct and Evertons planning has seemily been dictate to by it, so much so we have all become obsessed by Top 7, 6, 5 or 4. The only way that Everton are going to get anywhere is with a determined winning mentality what ever the competition they are in.

We should not be concerned by the so called pundit experts, who don' t know what we know.

Martin Mason
19 Posted 26/04/2019 at 10:45:55
We will be there next year. On our day we can match or beat the best but we can't produce these performances on a weekly basis. I believe that this is because we don't yet have the squad depth necessary to rest players and to produce different tactics to react to different situations. I believe that this is also an area of weakness for Silva in that he plays 4-3-3 but if a side can nullify it then he has no skill at adapting or a plan B. Nevertheless I believe that our current form is good and we'll continue to improve next season especially if we can add the right players. Not throw money away but buy well. Was I disgusted about everybody ignoring us after Sunday to concentrate on the United tragedy? No, it was fantastic. Be positive and believe, we are going places.
Daniel A Johnson
20 Posted 26/04/2019 at 10:50:56
For me I 100% appreciate that in terms of winning any silverware or even challenging for any we have been nowhere for the last 20+ years.

So almost justifiably why should sky or the media focus on us when we have been out in the wilderness.

What does annoy me with football coverage is the bias and lack of any recognition even when its your turn in the spotlight. When we are on TV the coverage before hand is generally about the more important match that follows on from us. Just some fair coverage would be nice and some honest recognition e.g. the 4-0 win.

What I do find puzzling is the infiltration of ex liverpool players into the media. Its almost as if there is an unwritten code to somehow protect and promote Liverpool FC from all angles of the media. They are everywhere and the Merseyside derby at Anfield the coverage was nothing short of a disgrace in its bias and favouritism to the reds.

Any chance to put Everton FC in the limelight is automatically cast aside due to the very nature of the presenters/pundits/commentators that are covering us.

The fawning and pitch side interviews with Liverpool after the Cardiff match was just disgusting, it was like watching Liverpools very own TV channel. This just highlights what we have to overcome just to get any moment in the media spotlight. I even feel the aftermath of the 4-0 Utd drubbing was also driven and fuelled by Ex reds taking glee at Utds hammering and fall from grace.


Brian Harrison
21 Posted 26/04/2019 at 11:15:17

I agree with a lot of what you say especially when you say nobody dismissed Everton from footballs elite table we just made our excuses and left. I also think your comment about we didnt become a sleeping giant and rested on our laurels, we actually laid down and went into a coma.

But where I differ is I started watching us since 1956, so I have only ever seen us play our football in the top flight, whether it be called the old First Division or as now the Premier League. So if the elite go off and create their own European league to me it will feel like relegation. You say you don't want us to be like the top 6, well I have a lot of time for City fans they followed their team in great numbers into the 3rd tier. Yes its the Saudi wealth thats put them there, but having wealth is what we were used to under John Moores as they called us the Mersey Millionaires. Money has always been the main catalyst for success even going back decades. And it will always be the case going forward.

I think a new European league is virtually inevitable, I would imagine it will happen in the next 5 years, I am hopeful we can do a Spurs and replace either Arsenal or Chelsea in that elite group. When this league happens then every top player will want to be in it. So watching what the Premier league will become will result in watching average players playing for average teams. We wont be able to see the very best players live as we can now even if they don't play for us. We wont be able to play the Sky elite as we can now. Oh yes it would mean with the top 6 out of the way it would dramatically improve our chances of winning the Premier League, but would it feel like winning the 2nd Division if the top teams arent there.

Finally I hate the way Sky promote only the top 6 but they are a business who will pamper to the large sections of their viewers who follow the top 6. These because of their success have built up a fan base not only in this Country but World wide. So when selling the television rights abroad it makes it far more lucrative. So obviously because of their massive fanbase they are going to focus more on Man Utd failing to beat us that the other way around.

Don Alexander
22 Posted 26/04/2019 at 11:19:58
Darren (#8), another gem of a piece. Genuinely. It's how I guess all but all of us feel. Well said.
John Chambers
23 Posted 26/04/2019 at 11:35:43
In yesterday’s Times there was a review showing the performance of the “Top 6” against one another. City & Liverpool are well ahead with 25 points and 19 points respectively. After that it is Arsenal with 12, Chelsea with 11, Spurs with 7 and Utd with 6. This is over 10 games (9 for Chelsea and Utd). Against these clubs we have taken 11 points from 11 games (still to play Spurs). I know think this shows we are already a thorn in their side, especially as we have taken points from 4 of them and still have an opportunity to make that 5
Tony Everan
24 Posted 26/04/2019 at 11:56:19
Good read Lyndon, thank you,

Liverpool's recruitment has been second to none. It has got them to where they are today.

Under Marcel Brand's I think we now have a leader off the field who can start to make inroads with regards this recruitment disparity. It is already happening and Lyndon you are right, what a big summer it will be in making sure we are stronger going into next season. Starting with a central issue.

Idrissa Gana Gueye.

Idrissa has been nothing short of amazing this year. What a player. Indispensable at the moment. I look at Man U over their recent 6 games without Anders Herrera and it is no coincidence they have been much weaker without him.

I think losing Gana would be a similar big loss for us, replacing him with the same or better is going to be a a massive challenge. We have to get that right to build and progress. I trust Mr Brands and Marco will be all over it.

Dave Ganley
25 Posted 26/04/2019 at 12:19:10
Darren and Christine great posts. Darren is spot on in that we started the rot in the 80s after Heysel. All the other top clubs planned for European return after the ban, we didn't. We allowed all our great players to leave, including Kendall and we never replaced with quality. So when the PL started we were completely off the pace from the get go.
Darren is spot on in that Moyes did save us, made us competitive and respected again, however, conversely Moyes himself held us back by not having the belief to challenge the top sides. That was what was so maddening around 2007-9, we had a team good enough to win things but away from GP Moyes wouldn't let the team off the leash. I was a Moyes fan but that still rankles.
I actually try not to listen to any of the punditry anymore. If I cant get to the game I watch mostly on Bein like Christine, don't have to listen to mindless shite from the sky idiots. I pick and choose what media outlets I read too. To be fair Phil McNulty from the BBC gave us a decent write up from last Sunday too. It doesn't matter to me what they say, hasn't done for a long time. Sky has formulated the idea that football only started in 1992 and all records, games etc are only mentioned since that time. It's like all the great sides, great scorers and great games before time don't exist. I am sure all the young people and overseas audiences lap all the sky stats up, however, the game seems to be run by stats now if you listen to sky. Forget what you actually see with your own eyes, if it has good stats then all is ok. Drives me batty. The so called pundits actually don't watch us much either, that much was obvious with all the ridiculous comments last season when we sacked Allardyce. "Be careful what you wish for" " what do the Everton fans want" " he saved you from relegation" etc etc, they obviously had no idea what they were saying and have no idea what a fan wants. On all punditry, they think that aside from the top 6 that everyone else should just be happy to stay in the PL and if you demand anything else then you are just unreasonable. This is why I'm firmly in the camp of Darrens, to be that cat among the pigeons, to piss them all off and really upset the media and all the pundits. Fuck the top 6, let's be part of an elite group of one who beats them and wins things without joining the sycophantic, stomach churning sky darlings.
Alex Carew
26 Posted 26/04/2019 at 12:29:18
I couldn't agree more, I said the same only yesterday. I've not heard anybody say how good we were and only heard how poor Man Utd were. Yet the RS are praised for their wins against the minnows of Cardiff.

Gary Neville said something in his interview about being outrun and outplayed by Everton, “Everton!!!?” he said with disgust. Yes Gary, that team (at the time) just behind you in the league, you cock, and that's having what most would consider a poor season.

We will never be the media darlings but I wish somebody, maybe within the club, would actually come out and state these facts. We've beaten Chelsea, Arsenal and Man Utd at home in our last 3 games, give us some respect!!

Bill Watson
27 Posted 26/04/2019 at 12:34:56
Our 4-0 win was down to Man Utd's worst performance in years.

Their 0-2 defeat to Man City was attributed to City's brilliance and resilience.

Says it all really.

Rob Halligan
28 Posted 26/04/2019 at 12:36:31
It's 12:30 and I've just put Sky Sports News on. They are talking about the Man Utd v Chelsea game this weekend. It's a bit like that Sunday Supplement programme on Sunday morning. You can almost guarantee they will be talking about any of the so-called big six teams when you put it on. As far as Sky are concerned, the other fourteen teams don't exist.

As Dave rightly says, football only began with the introduction of Sky. It really pisses me off when they say, for example, the all-time leading goalscorer is (insert name). None of today's "all-time leading goalscorers" could hold a candle to the great Dixie Dean.

Andy Crooks
29 Posted 26/04/2019 at 12:46:30
Darren @ 8, inspirational stuff. "Cat among the pigeons", indeed.
Peter Gorman
30 Posted 26/04/2019 at 13:03:47
Honestly, I've long since stopped listening to the punditry drivel and it doesn't diminish my enjoyment of a good footballing side one iota.

However, Everton haven't just beaten West Ham, Arsenal and Man Utd comfortably, they played them off the park. Given the turgid football we've endured this season, surely that aspect alone is news-worthy. I could even include Chelsea but that would be stretching a bit.

The answer of course is for the players to keep doing what they're doing, starting with Palace. If they don't see that anything like the intensity of their biggest wins leads to results like Fulham, they need their heads examining.

Jamie Crowley
31 Posted 26/04/2019 at 13:04:57
What a fantastic article.

I don't think you'll ever change generations of bias in England. Everton, plucky little Everton, will be the monicker until we win.

I would say something about the USA here however.

Everton do not suffer the bias and lack of respect in America as they do in their home country. In fact, I'd argue the pundits here seem to almost want Everton to upset the apple cart a bit, and have been subtly supportive of the Toffees.

Robbie Earl on NBC is very fair minded. He is fair with his analysis, and often seems slightly flabbergasted when he states, "Everton are a striker away" from making a push for the Top 6.

Other pundits seem to be pulling for us. Ian Darke has given us very fair treatment over the years. Warren Barton, despite his unforgiving Newcastle love, always mentions Everton as a "massive" club. Steve McManaman, at who's name I mention I bet 1000 eyes just rolled on TW, was almost unabashedly pro-Everton when he did games in the USA. I'd actually argue he's a closet Blue, despite playing in red. He waxed lyrical about Everton.

The media over here sets the table for Everton of an emerging market. One that isn't biased, almost sympathetic, and supportive.

As so many say above, we just simply have to start winning to push the conversation.

Over on your island, it's a much different story and landscape. One that seriously pisses me off. The bias borders some type of weird, inexplicable "Blue racism" that is so obvious and overt, it's maddening.

Rob Halligan
32 Posted 26/04/2019 at 13:08:56
Jamie, Steve McManaman was a big Evertonian as a kid. As was Robbie Fowler and Michael Owen before they signed for the RS.
Peter Gorman
33 Posted 26/04/2019 at 13:15:14
Jamie, I'm pretty sure Robbie Earle was like a lone voice in the wilderness in stating that Allardyce would never cut it at Everton, however I can't find any reference to it. Just recall him being a good egg for that alone.
Jamie Crowley
34 Posted 26/04/2019 at 13:21:27
Rob -

I knew Steve MacMannaman was a boyhood Blue. Usually when they play for the rs, they turn and don't look back. He never, not a single time while commentating over here, even flinched when speaking so glowingly about Everton. Even though he played for them, sue me, I really like the guy. He was an excellent pundit / color commentator.

Peter -

I remember Robbie Earle saying Allardyce was a panic appointment and wasn't a fit. He also seemed disappointed and sad at Everton falling to such a depth that season. I distinctly remember him saying after a game that Fat Sam was saying how well Everton played and Earle was like, "Everton had one shot, a single shot, the entire game!" Earle didn't buy the "Allardyce to save Everton and keep them up" storyline most did.

John McFarlane Snr
35 Posted 26/04/2019 at 14:09:54
Excellent article Lyndon, the two aspects I would like to address are the biased views of the TV pundits, and the possibility of a European League. While I'm irritated by the comments of the pundits, my irritation is tempered by the fact that no matter what they may say the results are not affected.

When the possibility of a European League was first mooted, my reaction was let them go, and give us back our game. Also, let them know in no uncertain manner that as clubs they would never be allowed to compete in domestic competitions again. For what it's worth, these are still my reactions.

Steve Hogan
36 Posted 26/04/2019 at 15:02:46
Mark (1)

I wouldn't be too concerned about Everton 'always selling their best players, even the established top six follow the same fate eventually.

Our nearest and dearest across the park, have nearly always sold at least one major player each year, and have done very well financially out of it.

In no particular order, Coutinho, Sterling, Alonso, Mascherano, Torres etc.

Man U, Beckham and Ronaldo, Spurs Bale, the list is endless.

The clever part is utilising the money to build an even better team out of the proceeds.

At last we have an individual on board, Marcel Brands, who recognises this trait, and will try to utilise it as much as he can.

Would you accept £80m for Richarlison? I certainly would.

Onwards and upwards.

Kieran Kinsella
37 Posted 26/04/2019 at 15:29:12
Kevin 12,

I also get fed up hearing about the RS on here. However, I am fortunate in that I live in Kansas city. The solitary red I know here is a bloke from Western Samoa who emails me abusive messages any time there is a derby. The folks back home are in and around reds every day so there is bound to be some spillover into discussions on ToffeeWeb.

Samoan bloke apart, I am lucky here also as most of the "fans" here support "Manchester" (I am never sure which one or if in fact they realize there are two teams) or Chelsea. When I say I support Everton I usually get "Oh I have heard of Everton, Tim Howard played there right?" Then they go on to talk about the MLS to which I usually reply "MLS? Oh I have heard of that, Tim Cahill played in that right?" So overall I am pretty insulated from local rivalries which allows me (though not the lads back home) the luxury of forgetting about the RS.

Jon Withey
38 Posted 26/04/2019 at 15:33:42
Ironic that a majority of the country don't want to be part of Europe but would consider having their team as part of a breakaway European league instead of the National league.

Go figure.

Kim Vivian
39 Posted 26/04/2019 at 15:40:38
Jon - I'm pretty sure you would find that the majority of the country do want to be part of Europe, and the majority would not even have the opportunity to be part of some sort of (footballing) breakaway.

(Sorry eds - didn't want to get political here - but I didn't start it)

Gary Willock
40 Posted 26/04/2019 at 15:48:58
Try and differentiate:

Europe = a big geographical continent we’ll always be a part of.

EU = a club that a majority of people voted to leave vs remain.

As close to politics as we should ever get on here.

Kim Vivian
41 Posted 26/04/2019 at 15:54:37
Speaks volumes really. My opinion is further underpinned.
That's enough from me until I get back on topic somewhere.
Kevin Prytherch
42 Posted 26/04/2019 at 16:04:24
Silvas latest press conference was along similar lines - saying that the press hadn’t given Everton enough credit for their victory
Gerard McKean
43 Posted 26/04/2019 at 16:04:30
Lyndon, great piece, thank you, and you are spot on to point out that only The Guardian of the papers gave Everton full credit, and in this The Guardian is consistent; when we're poor they say so and when we're brilliant they say so, too. It's now the only newspaper you can trust, and not just for its football reports.

I wish particularly to congratulate Darren #8 for a concise and articulate summary of why Everton has not (yet) become a Premier League force. Heysel was the catalyst but everything after that was self-inflicted harm, starting with the abject capitulation of Carter to Thatcher.

Carter had two roles at the time of Heysel; one as Chairman of Everton FC and one as Chairman of the Liverpool Conservatives Association. It is not difficult to guess which one meant more to him as Tory Thatcher pressed for a ban on ALL English teams playing in Europe, as opposed to the ban on one with which UEFA would have been satisfied.

As a former President of the Football League and Chairman of the English Champions, Carter's opposition to an all-out ban would have been irresistible even to Thatcher, who could not believe her luck that nobody did bother to oppose her. Oh well, a few years later a knighthood came Carter's way and then the club named a stand after him.

The luvvies and their mutual love-in still dominate Everton Football Club. Until we put a proper business head on we shall continue to give everyone an opportunity to ignore, demean, and belittle the serious efforts to revitalise the team on the pitch.

Karen Mason
44 Posted 26/04/2019 at 16:15:44
For me to give a monkeys hump about what the 'pundits' say, would mean that I value their comments or opinion Which, I don't. Not one of them from any channel have impressed me at any time, with their knowledge or understanding of the clubs they comment on. Therefore, I am happy for them to continue to talk a load of ' bollox' ( that's the Spanish spelling!!) and make themselves look like the pricks they are. Only thing that irks me is that they get paid! I love being under the radar. Love that we have torpedoed Chelsea, Utd & Arsenal in the last few weeks. Enemies that are virtually invisible are the hardest to beat. ( Ask the Americans about Vietnam). If we can continue under the radar AND continue to improve & start to take points from those 'Top' teams on a regular basis, few things in life would give me more pleasure. As for increasing our following world wide If we really want & need to, then in this day and age of social media, there are ways other than Sky to promote our club. I kinda like Darren's vision of cat amongst the pidgeons, but also the David & Goliath story. Do we want to be a rich mans play toy or be a financially astute, but well supported PROPER CLUB, who become known as the ' underdog club' who pisses all over the Sky darlings and tips their litter tray all over those pidgeons!!! I do believe that M& M could be just the men to do that!!! If we can win points from the Sky darlings regularly, sucesss will surely follow with or without credit from the 'experts'. BRING IT ON!
Craig Walker
45 Posted 26/04/2019 at 17:21:49
Great article and some superb replies.

The biggest outrage I had this season from a Sky "expert" was whilst watching Soccer Saturday on the Saturday following the home defeat to Manchester City at home, in February. We played Watford away and they'd just announced the teams. Thompson was livid with the Everton team because Silva had recalled Richarlison and Sigurdsson after dropping them both against Man City. The insinuation was that we threw the Man City game and then reverted to "full strength".

What annoyed me was that Richarlison and Gylfi fully deserved to be dropped for the ManCity game - they'd been poor for weeks. In fact, Man City got their 2nd goal when both of these players had been brought on as substitutes.

Kieran Kinsella
46 Posted 26/04/2019 at 17:38:40
Craig 45

Carragher was saying the same thing last week about us leaving them out for the city game. It's stupid. Silva was under pressure at the time during a bad run. So we are supposed to believe his master plan was to change things by throwing a game to curry favor with Everton fans?

The other thing is that any time Arsenal drop Ozil, United drop Lukaku, or Chelsea drop Huguain, the reaction is “Haha — about time that idiot got dropped” as opposed to “OMG — they must be throwing the game to annoy their local rivals!”

Brian Hennessy
47 Posted 26/04/2019 at 17:49:46
Great article Lyndon and several great replies.

When I am unfortunate enough to listen to Sky's coverage (which is seldom now since I cancelled by subscription 6 months ago), I can't help but be thankful that I live in Ireland where most of the pundits give a more balanced view – particularly on radio.

Christine Foster
48 Posted 26/04/2019 at 18:13:46
John McFarlane, I totally agree. The Premier League would be a better place without them. I think a European Super League would bore the pants off most fans.

The English Premier League and the Football League are the bedrock of world football. So are its fans. If Everton (ever) had the opportunity to join them, I would sincerely hope they would decline.

Fans have no idea of the individual player qualities of PSG, Barcelona or Milan as they do the Premier League, it's what makes the Premier League interesting... and, for that matter, the Football League.

David Pearl
49 Posted 26/04/2019 at 18:26:45
Perfectly put title, Lyndon.

Spurs have done it without a great amount of investment. The Bale money was used to varied success but they also needed a few players to come through the ranks and l believe we are doing something similar.

Of course, our last few home games will be somewhat forgotten if we don't turn up for the remaining games. We have to perform that way every game; if we can't, then Silva has to have the squad to use. I think he has utilised the squad poorly at times.

And hats off to Schneiderlin too who has reminded us all that he can be an important player for us. I'm hoping we can keep our players and add only two or three quality additions (on top of the loanees). We haven't yet seen the best of Gomes or Mina. Also those players not getting a game like Dowell etc should go out on loan at the start of the year. Good times ahead. If we keep winning it becomes impossible to ignore... but, unlike Leicester, we must build on what we have and not rip it apart again.

John McFarlane Snr
50 Posted 26/04/2019 at 19:33:25
Hi Christine [48], I was beginning to think that mine was a lone voice in this issue, at the age of 80, I no longer travel to away matches... but I have done my fair share over the years. The prospect of travelling to Barcelona, Madrid, etc would, I imagine, dampen the ardour of even the most enthusiastic fans, who would likely become armchair supporters.

I suppose there will be some who regard me and people like me as "stick in the mud'' characters; this may well be true. I have seen so many changes to both the laws of the game, and rules of tournaments, changes to laws and rules that have stood the test of time.

Kieran Kinsella
51 Posted 26/04/2019 at 19:51:58

The latest reports seem to suggest this "super league" idea is being almost entirely driven by Juventus. Seemingly the EPL, and the Bundesliga realize where their bread is buttered. e.g. if your Arsenal, you have packed houses for local derbies with Spurs, Chelsea, West Ham, Palace, Watford, Wimbledon, Brentford, Orient, Millwall, Fulham etc plus "rivlalries" with Man Utd, Liverpool, Everton etc.

In Europe, you have packed house versus Barce, Juve, maybe decent crowd versus Lyon, Sevilla, start to see lots of empty seats versus Lille, Porto, Leverkusen especially once those games become twice-a-year events.

Andy Crooks
52 Posted 26/04/2019 at 20:02:41
John, I absolutely agree with you. I would hate Everton to be part of European League. Remember how utterly, mind-numbingly dull it was when they had a go at having two group stages. I have never watched a Champions League live game, not once. If Everton were in it, I would watch but only because it is my club.

In my view, having the top six break away would be the best thing to happen since the formation of the Football League. I would rather see Everton away at Huddersfield than Everton away at Barcelona in a European League.

I hate artificial sport. The world's strongest man, It's A Knock-Out. To me, a European League would be like Jeux Sans Frontieres. Their medals would be as worthless as those won by shabby seaside towns, cheered on by the odious Stuart Hall and the demented Eddie Waring.

Tony Hill
53 Posted 26/04/2019 at 20:51:37
Being there last Sunday, or watching us on telly or whatever as a Blue, showed why we should just trust ourselves. I have sold my soul when Usmanov was on the horizon and I thought what a lovely thing that would be, but the pure joy of that game against United was strictly Evertonian and was priceless. Those occasions come along often enough to keep us braced.

We are authentic - yes I know that the players are multi-millionaires and all of that - and we should guard that spirit zealously. If we sell up to Sky we will become something else. So, yes, I'm with Darren Hind and everyone else it seems: fuck them, fuck the poseurs and the crooks and the frauds and let's adopt guerrilla tactics.

Nothing sentimental about that, we're just being self-possessed.

Tony Hill
54 Posted 26/04/2019 at 20:57:08
PS I accept, of course, that we have already sold up to Sky insofar as we gobble the cash and play their game but we're not, like some, beyond redemption. Sunday, for example, had that feel of being cleansed and there was no plastic to be seen.
Paul Tran
55 Posted 26/04/2019 at 22:06:54
Darren is spot-on. We made ourselves a small club with a small club attitude. Our laudable charity arm is used as a fig leaf for our under-achievement and lack of ambition.

I don't watch Sky. I watch recorded bits of MOTD and miss out the punditry. So I don't get annoyed by them.

We'll never be a successful team because a few blokes on the telly like us. We'll be successful when we manage ourselves properly on and off the pitch.

I'd rather focus on the big things we can control, rather than the irrelevant sideshow we can't.

Paul Birmingham
56 Posted 26/04/2019 at 23:00:58
Let’s take our own destiny as a club and set the bar high and keep improving,

We don’t need Sky, or the rest of the prejudiced, ignorant media cronies, to laud how good bad or indifferent we are as a team and football club.

If Everton, improves the results on the field, the rest will happen, but we will need backing heavy via the Uzbek, but whatever happens, as Everton, we have a rich history and tradition, with the best genuine football knowledgable supporters going.

The games changed, and in my view not for the better, but there’s a price, to survival, and healthy growth.

Hopefully soon we can win a trophy and get the winning feeling and what it brings to maximum, potential, but that’s going to be a massive challenge but it is possible.

Tony Abrahams
57 Posted 27/04/2019 at 07:20:53
A really good thread this – the only thing to disagree with is Jamie saying McManaman is a good pundit!
Andy Kay
58 Posted 27/04/2019 at 07:37:28
Maybe if we would have won away from home at Chelsea, Arsenal, Liverpool and Man Utd more than once since the 90s, Sky might give us some credit. You know... like Burnley, Wolves, Palace, Bournemouth and Swansea etc have all done in recent seasons. We haven't won a home derby since 2010.

Hammerings at home by Arsenal and Spurs (even Atalanta) in the past 2 seasons don't really make us a challenge to the Sky 6. Our League Cup record is simply pathetic. If we cant even win that, why would they want to talk about us?

As Darren said, we've been at fault for this for decades. Take a step back, take off the blue-tinted specs and look at what we've become. This season has finally shown a turn around in form and style but some of the other results have been dire. Start winning trophies or away at the big clubs first, then we'll finally get the credit we deserve.

Rob Dolby
59 Posted 27/04/2019 at 08:56:09
We were part of the big 4 in the 80s with Spurs knocking on the door.

As soon as Sky got involved football became more professional. Man U took full advantage due to having the best manager in British football at the helm. Without Fergie Man Utd could quite easily have swapped places with us. Likewise Wenger with Arsenal.

Abramovic bought Chelsea a place at the top table. If Jack Walker was still alive, Blackburn could be part of the big boys' party.

Managerial nous and money earns you a place at the top table and, for us, we haven't had both until recently.

I did expect the media reaction after the Man Utd game as that's their default position.

I loved the post-game analysis after the Manchester Derby. It was like a funeral for Man Utd. Neville was genuinely gobsmacked. Keane was fantastic. Souness was sick. Carragher was nowhere to be seen or heard.

I work in Manchester and they are genuinely for the first time in 30 years confused as to why they can't compete.

This all just whets the appetite for a few new signings and next season.


Martin Mason
60 Posted 27/04/2019 at 09:06:43
That Everton somehow made itself a small club has little credibility. The club was mismanaged from the 70s and spent more money than it had to maintain its place at the top table. The club was under-invested and, without the investment they needed, no board would have been able to regenerate the club... only manage the decline as well as it could.

By Kenwright's time, survival was the only game in town; success only an unrealistic dream of us fans whose expectations were always way above what a bankrupt club could actually deliver.

This situation wasn't caused by Kenwright – the seeds of the decline were sown decades pre-Bill... he just inherited it, took it on when any sensible director would have walked away. BK's problem was that he promised more than he could ever deliver and fed the unrealistic expectations that we fans had.

We have a chance to progress as a club now because we at last have the investment that was needed but regeneration will still be a difficult process. We also need to remember who was instrumental in getting this perfect investment in place and who was responsible for the club surviving in a period where it was technically insolvent.

He is past his sell-by date now but that is only my opinion. The concept that he was responsible for the decline of the club is simply not correct. His only chance of arresting that decline was his being wealthy enough to provide the required investment. He wasn't... but that isn't his fault.

Stan Schofield
61 Posted 27/04/2019 at 09:16:47
It's obvious that with all the money in football, the media will be biased towards the most successful clubs. If we're bothered about how the media treats us, the solution is simple: We play better consistently, win far more games than we lose, score loads of goals, and play with style. Like we have done in the past, but more consistently. If we do that, any current problems with the media will sort themselves out. Only Everton can solve those problems of bias.
Stephen Brown
62 Posted 27/04/2019 at 09:28:27
A small thing that annoys me about the media's coverage is; when they show a graphic of the top 6 except, if Man Utd or Arsenal are 7th, it becomes the top 7!
Darren Hind
63 Posted 27/04/2019 at 10:40:53
Martin Mason

Absolute Pap.

Kenwright didn't just make promises he couldn't keep. He lied through his teeth. To just about everyone, even his so-called friends.

He may not have been in control at the start of the decline, but the carpet-bagging bastard certainly knew how to take advantage of it.

Kevin Molloy
64 Posted 27/04/2019 at 12:20:16
I drove past Brighton's ground yesterday. it makes Goodison look like the land that time forgot. Tottenham can expect to make nearly a million pound through hospitality in each home game they host.

We don't ever get back to competing against United financially. Ever. It's gone. It went years ago. If we don't get this ground built n the next three years we will end up looking antiquated against Leicester and Brighton, let alone the top six. And even if we get it built, we never get back to where we were. Accept it. There's just too much money...

Tony Abrahams
65 Posted 27/04/2019 at 12:52:02
Come-on Darren, give Bill some credit please, because he kept insolvent Everton going for years mate.

I see Bill Kenwright has left envelopes on two of the coaches going to Palace today, with a five pound note inside telling the fans to have a drink on him.

A magnificent gesture or a clever little token? Some see the good, but some of us just see a carpetbagger.

David Midgley
66 Posted 27/04/2019 at 13:12:13
Chairman Bill, this thread has gone totally off topic.

However, could someone please tell me what would have happened to EFC if

he hadn't stepped in ? I'm curious to see what people think .

Martin Berry
67 Posted 27/04/2019 at 13:22:35
Great article Lyndon, I wish I was as edukeeted.

As for the top six it is just going to give us all greater satisfaction when we break into it and another club drops out, we will just need then to do it on a regular basis until it becomes current history and thinking.

We can remember when Man City and Chelsea 20 years ago were mid-table and Man City were in League Two? So matters do change.

I see now the press are circling saying some of our players will be a target of and going to "top six" clubs in the summer, again a presumption that we are fodder, the fodder which other teams come to sort out their failings.

A good mention for Bill today, yes he can be a dreamer as his heart often rules his head, but let's not forget he loves the club dearly, brought in Farhad Moshiri who will preside over the biggest change to Everton in their history when they move to their new home.

This is all down to Bill Kenwright.

Jay Wood

68 Posted 27/04/2019 at 14:37:31
David @ 66.

In answer to your question, Peter Johnson would eventually have sold out to someone else and then...who knows?

I hope that goes some way to satisfying your curiosity.

Ron Sear
69 Posted 27/04/2019 at 15:10:38
What is it with this 'Sky' that everybody keeps moaning about. After discovering who was involved in starting it, the price of using it and the people they employ we prefer to listen to Radio Merseyside for the games we can't get to. Not having the modern desire for instant gratification The Game of Thrones is the only thing we would watch but we are patient enough to buy the DVDs for Chrismas when they come out.
Tony Abrahams
70 Posted 27/04/2019 at 17:18:50
If Kenwright hadn't stepped in, I reckon we might have ended up falling down the leagues, even if our history before the Moyesiah doesn't really indicate this.
Tom Hughes
71 Posted 28/04/2019 at 09:52:08
Martin Mason, Revisionist claptrap.

Bill Kenwright has presided over, and been instrumental in the longest trophyless period in the club's history. When he joined the Board in 1989, our position was firmly at the "top table" of English football clubs.

We are now considered also-rans with the poorest facilities, and income streams dwarfed by many others. A fiver in an envelope for a few coach loads of dedicated blues is an absolute miniscule pittance compared to the windfall that this carpetbagger has received while managing our decline for at least 20 of the 30 years he's been on the board.

If Peter Johnson had tried half the things this fella has got away with, he would've been shot, but not Bill Kenwright... Farcical nonsense!

Eddie Dunn
72 Posted 28/04/2019 at 11:36:49
Darren #8 – I one hundred per cent agree with you. Let those bloated, self-obsessed clubs with their glory-hunting fans all sail off in search of Euro heaven and leave the domestic set-up to proper clubs, with proper fans.

We would soon have a more interesting competition with thrills and spills and we wouldn't have to listen to all of the legions of ex-reds who will be too busy talking to the armchairs with their half scarves.

Tom Hughes
73 Posted 28/04/2019 at 12:31:21
Eddie, with all the tv money then gone to a new super European league, and our biggest games of the season against Wolves and Leicester, where would that really leave us? Suggesting replacement of the glass-ceiling with a concrete one is only more self-destructive.

The Champions League has been something of a divisive force ever since it expanded to include non-champions. It has helped cheapen some domestic league and cup competitions, and build monster clubs out of the chosen few who were lucky enough to be on the gravy train at the right time, or those rich enough to muscle in since.

30 years ago, we were at least on par with any of our so-called peer group. Now?

Eddie Dunn
74 Posted 28/04/2019 at 13:48:02
Tom, the clubs in the euro would soon get sick of each other, and the fans would too. The fans would be hard-pressed to travel away regularly and the tv viewing figures would plummet when the likes of Chelsea play Lille, Schalka versus Arsenal in half full stadia.

Meanwhile Bramley-Moore Dock is sold out as Everton take on Wolves as the top two battle it out 52,000 fans the Mersey lit with blue search lights and Z-Cars blaring out across the waterfront.

Meanwhile, Liverpool prepare to play Young Boys in front of the famous Kop. Manufactured banners of grizzled Glaswegians and Geordies confuse the Nordic hordes. I know which place I would rather be.

Tom Hughes
75 Posted 28/04/2019 at 14:15:39

Perhaps, but rest assured, there will definitely be no BMD stadium without the type of TV money we now get, and that money will not exist without our biggest clubs being in the league too. So you might have to revise your dream somewhat if they bugger off.

Some of Europe's biggest clubs might like the prospect, especially if they've already outgrown their respective domestic leagues. I'm not sure that'll be the case for any English clubs, so hopefully it's all rather moot point.

Michael Kenrick
76 Posted 28/04/2019 at 16:21:52
Just a word on the point of pundits / colour comms...

Just great to see and hear Leon Osman getting to ride shotgun today alongside Clive Tyldesley for the NBC live coverage from Turf Moor. And post-game, Leon continuing to do an excellent job in front of the cameras.

Ian Pilkington
77 Posted 28/04/2019 at 16:34:31
Thank you for another excellent article, Lyndon.

We are at last enjoying serious investment in our club after a long decline, and it is imperative that we aspire to join the “big six” and become one of the “big seven”, and I'm sure we'll get there soon. I'm surprised that some posters really believe it would be better to be the top team in an English League without them.

If a European League ever gets off the ground I don't believe English clubs would be involved as it would be self-destructive to leave the world's wealthiest and most watched competition.

Eddie Dunn
78 Posted 28/04/2019 at 23:49:03
Blimey Michael, I had that NBC stream on, and didn't click it was Leon, in fact he was so impartial I was thinking it could be Steven Warnock! When my link went down I watched the last bit in Spanish to avoid him. I felt like he was jinxing City... I honestly had no clue it was our Leon. I wonder if he has been turned!
Matthew Williams
79 Posted 29/04/2019 at 12:43:27
Fourteen will always be greater than six... and therein lies the answer, folks!

The majority have the power to change things as it stands... but will they?

The beautiful game has turned very ugly since 1992... SO CHANGE IT!!! Boot out the greedy six and then start again with eight teams to replace them in a brand new competitive league. Jeez... the possibilities could be endless on this, just need some real vision and balls to achieve it. A slow start maybe but, five years on, folks will say it's nice to have OUR game back.

Eddie Dunn
80 Posted 29/04/2019 at 15:52:39
Mathew, yes, imagine, we could have Norwich and Sheff Utd, coming up next season, along with the third placed team, and add six more. For example, we could see the return of Leeds, Derby, Villa, Wednesday, Forest, WBA and perhaps by the time it happens, Pompey, Sunderland and QPR. We would soon all forget the greedy big boys off in their european exile.
Brent Stephens
81 Posted 29/04/2019 at 18:05:55
Michael #76 "Just great to see and hear Leon Osman getting to ride shotgun today alongside Clive Tyldesley for the NBC live coverage from Turf Moor".

Yes, but he's a bit lightweight - Tyldesley dominated Osman too easily in the commentary.

Christine Foster
82 Posted 29/04/2019 at 22:33:47
I rarely listen to 606 on a Sat night, in fact I cannot remember when I last did, but I found myself in the car with good reception and listening to Robbie Savage. I wish I hadn't.
It was mere background noise until an Everton fan came on to talk (poorly) about kopites, Savage well, savaged him, commenting that Everton's "rivals" are not Liverpool or anyone in the top six but Wolves and Watford. That we were a million miles away from challenging for a trophy and that Everton fans were delusional to believe otherwise.

It upset me, seriously upset me, I wasn't angry but in less than one minute Robbie Savage delivered a haymaker to the chin of every Evertonian and then put the boot in. For me it was the fact that in some respects he was right, but in reality he was merely emphasizing the bias the media have with regards to the top six or whatever the flavour of the month is.

Wolves? Fuck off, Savage.

The anger came later, not at Savage but at the standing of our club and how it has been allowed to fall to such an extent that we are ridiculed by the media and pundits. Why?

I don't want to look backwards but I don't want it to continue either. I am not bitter but bloody angry at the complacency of those who put us there. We will never know now, but we should never allow it to happen again. The responsibility of decisions lies with the Chairman and Directors. They make the calls. They made a lot of money. I don't care at what point in time you want to determine when the rot set in, but clearly its certainly been evident since the dawn of the Premier league in 1992. That's 27 years.

Its taken me till Monday night to express how upset I was and still am.. all because a plonker on 606 riled up another plonker who made fun of Everton as a club and ridiculed its fan base.

That's were we are. That's not where we are going to be. A thorn in their side? You bet.. its time we as a club delivered and tore up the top six.

Martin Nicholls
84 Posted 29/04/2019 at 22:38:49
I'm with John, Christine, Andy's another who would shed no tears if the Sky Six joined others of the same ilk from other major European leagues.

I do not believe however that a European League will come about simply because the PL's Sky Six and their equivalents in Europe's major leagues see themselves as an elite with a God-given right to be winning or at least consistently challenging for honours.

A league by its very nature has "bottom feeders" and I doubt that many of these clubs will risk becoming one and thus over time, losing a worldwide fan base that currently provides each of them with an enormous income.

Martin Nicholls
85 Posted 29/04/2019 at 22:41:12
Sorry for the duplicated post guys - as I said earlier, my edit facility does not work!!
Eddie Dunn
86 Posted 30/04/2019 at 01:06:13
I made the mistake toaday of tuning- in to Talk shite, Luckily Jim White was on holiday, but the cretinous, repetitive wanker Danny Murphy nearly bored me to tears, firstly trying to justify Liverpool's season if they fail to win a trophy.

Then, when asked by the compare if Wolves, Everton or Leicester might challenge for the top 6 next season, he just couldn't bring himself to properly consider us, but simply said "only Leicester". No argument, no weighing-up the pros and cons... after all Leicester are now managed by his mate Rogers.

Laughable though, how the media still like to think of Leicester's title as an aberration, and that it could never happen again. I would dearly like, even Spurs to win it, to upset the apple cart. I hate those tossers on the radio, and if I ever meet Murphy, I will tell him what a Berkshire Hunt he is.

Tony Abrahams
87 Posted 30/04/2019 at 07:27:04
I honestly think the best thing that could happen to the media would be to invite genuine knowledgeable fans onto both the television and the media.

How many of us would like to be given a chance to sit in a studio and show these “jobs for the boys, but don't think for yourself” types how much shite they are getting away with telling us?

Christine Foster
88 Posted 30/04/2019 at 08:18:37
My apologies for the expletive I did write it as a four-letter word with just the first letter and three stars to leave the blanks to your imagination, but I guess the ed's filled in the blanks or my predictive txt decided to be more inventive.

We have spent half a lifetime in the sporting wilderness and whatever reason you care to point to, and there are many, it's been unforgivable. We have no right to sit at the top table anymore, we were leaders once but we failed to change when our peers did. There has not been one singular decision alone that has left us where we are today, ridiculed by media, forgotten as an icon, but a wealth of bad management decisions, poor decision making and self-interest.

I believe we have for the first time in 30 years, a commercial board of directors who will make far better choices than before. I look forward to seeing a chapter close on a Chairman who promised much, delivered little of substance and made a packet in doing so. It is a chapter that needs to end before a new book can be written about how the Sky six were dismantled, about how the world once more recognised that the city of Liverpool is blue, not red.

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