Belated mercy for Silva, Moshiri's failed gamble

Moderator's note: The bulk of this post has been removed due to its unnecessarily abusive tone. A similar admonishment of Steve F by "Mr Masters" was allowed to stand on another thread, in part because Steve's big enough to withstand a little criticism, but there are limits.

That sums it up for me.

After reading 450 or so posts on Silva's exit thread, I clicked on Lyndon's article thinking, "Let's put this all into perspective now."

Spot on, again.

This website would be poorer for people not having the courage to post different views, especially where they do not agree with the majority. The line has now been drawn and we move on.

I wish Marco Silva all the best. He is a sorry chapter in our history but did display more dignity and humility than Allardyce and Koeman. A gentleman but ultimately not the right guy for us.

Brands, Moshiri and Kenwright have truly made an appalling mess on the Silva Saga. I disagree with anyone who feels the signings this summer were not enough to keep us out of the bottom 3.

But the manner Silva's reign ended was indeed terrible.

Let's hope they redeem themselves by getting the next appointment right.

Let's hope its not Vitor Perreira, David Moyes or another Marco Silva.

Hopefully it will not be Moyes but I'd like the new manager to be a person with vitality, tenacity and personality, who isn't afraid to show some emotion from the touch line. A guy who can really get the players working as a team with guts and determination.

Steve Ferns you gave me plenty of food for thought throughout your backing of Silva..

I try to stay open minded with any new addition to tge club.. However I think if they give Moyes the job it will be a grave mistake.

Mosh got his man it has not worked out so lets hope they have learnt lessons...

I feel most fans now are skeptical no matter whi cimes in unless they hit the ground running...

Snakes and ladders were back to the start we know who the snakes are...
Mosh needs to put his ego aside and put gis business head on and do the right thing by his investment..

As fans we need to get behind the team one game at a time until were safe..

If the board are stupid enough to appoint Moyes which they are then they need to prepare for the inevitable back lash and the snakes and ladders game rumbles on...

I liked Silva, Martinez, Koeman, wasn't so keen on Allardyce. Interesting to see who is next and also interesting to see where Silva turns up next. Hope he finds a new home soon.

And Steve certainly doesn't owe anyone on here an apology, as you so ridiculously asserted on the other thread.

Click in at bedtime and it's done and dusted.

Ah well.

Thanks for the summary and perspective, Lyndon. I'm sure everything there is to say has been said already.

Step 2 and the immediate task is to get behind the team on Saturday from the off as we vitally need points and confidence back.

Step 3 onwards is the real issue as the board have to learn lessons and the next appointment is crucial. We cannot afford anymore gambles and although you can never guarantee anything in football we have to go for a proven winner to get us on the right track.

i am not convinced the DoF model suits Everton FC. I believe we need a manager and not just a coach. A manager needs good coaches behind him but first and foremost he needs to manage team affairs and all that encompasses.

We need someone who is not afraid to come in and shake it up even if that means selling players who have been recently bought if he deems them not suitable or good enough for his strategy.
We need someone who the players would run through a brick wall for (to quote Peter Reid about the late great Howard Kendall).
We need someone who can inspire the players the play for the shirt each and every time they run out onto the pitch. that's a tough ask with today's modern footballer and especially some of the ones we seem to be stuck with.

I hope we get it right this time but I wont hold my breath based on experience of the current owner and chairman.

COYB

Time to oust him before any more bad calls are made.

The players have been nothing short of a disgrace at Everton for too long let's face facts, some of them have even seen off three or four managers and their only answer is to come out with garbage in the media of “we must turn it around, we must do better blah blah”.

Personally I'm hating what we have become as a club now.

We are just another Watford or Aston Villa (prior to their relegation) changing management every few months.

I'm also very disappointed with the reception Silva received against Norwich, the entire of the Gwladys St singing “F#CK OFF SILVA” at full pelt.

Silva was out of his depth but the fans anger would be better shown at some of the meek players and the clowns at boardroom level.

The model we need with 19 games left by after the Man City game if we got a manager in is BIG SAM.
Swollow our pride, all those Evertonians who live in cllud cookoo land about a style of football they would like.

We are going to need BIg Sam, get him to buy players who can do exactly what he wants, from the back, in the middle.
Then spend £100million on two up front who does what he says,Clean sheets,so so tough to break down.
Punish sides who give us a couple of chances in free play,set pieces.

10 wins, more in 19 games left.Safety.

Then set about it, the project properly.

Give Big Sam respect and a chance to build a team

Id love to play like the RS, Man City,but lets get real.

Mr Moshiri, pick up the phone to BiG SAM.

Firstly in getting a manager in who has premier league experience, the most successful man possible.

This is no time for wild unproven gambles, and letting a premier league rookie learn the ropes mid-season, whilst in the relegation zone ,however glitzy his CV appears. Such managers will need a full pre-season to stand a chance.

Certainly one of life's unlucky ones, Marco.

This, as Lyndon puts well, is exactly why I wanted him out. He may be a wonderful coach (though the evidence suggests the players are worse than ever) but a tactical genius he is anything but.

My next choice for manager is frankly anyone who can read a game and adapt to changes on the pitch. Surely there must be someone out there.

PS. Don't expect any appointment before Xmas -- they don't work like that !

Anybody good a math.

Thats a shit load of F - - - - - G money.

We talk about good work in the community folks,the peoples club helping peoples lives.What could they do with £40million we wasted so far.

When you go to Goodison on Sat take a look at the person on ya left,right around you.Millionairs,earn a £100ka week??
Silva personally walks away with £4 million after tax,agent expenses.???????
For F sake.
Whats happend to football.I understand the money generated but it takes away the important parts of personal character,inner self of the manager,the player.

When are those at the top going to wake up.

This situation gets worse by the hour.

I think at least we knew when David Moyes managed us he had the qualities,a bit more money who knows.
A bit of reality I suppose, David Moyes although I want Sam.

As you say Adrian, since Moshiri arrived how much money have we frittered away on the fat payoffs to Koeman, Allardyce and now Silva?

Adrian - Sam A was a disaster for Everton - a needless panic appointment and part of the budget problem now is down to the silly money he paid for two forwards of either non existent or erratic ability. I rather hope DF can stabilise the situation and we appoint someone with a real vision of how to play front foot football.

Riley - lots of us disagree with some parts of Steve F's posts but the bulk and tactical knowledge Steve submis is valuable background - please do not descend to abuse simply to disagree - we all want the best for Everton

Will Pereira be another failed gamble? It appears that as another manager bites the dust, Moshiri and co., continue to play fantasy football manager!

If it saves us from relegation, then money necessarily spent.

In terms of "the math", I'm sure a political party could calculate that as a total of £1.5 billion.

I wouldn't believe anything that the BBC reports in instances like this. I read that the Watford compensation was £1m not £4m. The look of glee on the “reporters” grid just made me think that she, like Nugent and the Irish girl, is yet another RS. Remember Lineker complaining about the number of RS behind the scenes in the BBC Sports dept? A totally corrupt organisation these days.

This can be the only reason that the Dour Scot remains in contention to be the boss of Everton. The possible replacements for Silva that are apparently on the boards wish list are low grade, low end types who may or may not work but may be easier to obtain compared to those who may be on the supporters 'fantasy' wish list.

Nil Satis should be replaced with "play it safe and carry on' as the club lurch from one manager to the next, hoping, rather than expecting one of their choices to be successful. The defintion of success at board level may also be very different to that of the fans, we want trophies, top four challenges and regular European trips they might settle for top 10 finishes and the odd cup run now and again.

Our results against our neighbours in the last decade or so hasn't happened by accident, it isn't the result of some weird curse, it's the tangible sign of the difference between the way the two clubs are being led, the differing ambitions twixt the two.

One set of 'chiefs' won't accept failure and act as soon as that unwelcome spectre appears on the horizon, the other set of 'chiefs' have set the bar so low that it's diffficult to recognise failure and for them success is seen and measured as anything which is achieved that clears that low bar.

Duncan Ferguson will receive a great reception on Saturday and that's a good thing, but will the full-time manager whomever that may be, receive such a warm welcome by excited Evertonians, I hope so, but if he happens to be one of the lesser lights then that warm welcome may be as good as it gets for him, unless unlike the previous bosses', he overwhelmingly exceeds the boards expectations and matches the desires and high expectations of the supporters.

I assume that it was Brands who sanctioned the selling of Gueye as Silva certainly didnt want the player sold. I don't know of a club in this country that has seen a DOF be successful yet Moshiri is still sticking with this scenario.

Levy has showed how getting rid of a manager should be done to cause minimum disruption to the club, and he was sacking a manager that had taken Spurs from roughly were we were to regular Champions league qualifiers. And last year got them to the final of the Champions league, something we have never achieved even going back to when it was the European Cup. Some might question whether you should be that ruthless to a man who had done so much to improve Spurs. But Levy thought things arent working and obviously had talks with Morhinos representatives which for such a high profile manager must have taken weeks to agree a deal.

Yet not for the first Moshiri has sacked a manager without any idea who will replace him, we had the same delay replacing Martinez and Koeman. This is a man who has thrown a fortune into this project, and you would think that as an accountant by profession he would have spent his money much more wisely.

So he has appointed Duncan Ferguson as a caretaker manager, a man he didnt trust to take on this role the last time he sacked a manager instead preferring to bring in the Under 23 manager for that role. It was also quite significant that Unsworth had Ebbrell to work alongside him and not Ferguson. So the search goes on for our next new manager, and whoever it is I don't envy him his role, and if as seems that we will appoint a man who has never managed in this league then he will need all the luck in the world to turn this mess around.

Big question is if the board is capable to find a replacement who can a) drag us out the danger, b) create a progressive, identifiable and winning system of play, c) have a clear vision where we are aiming at and how to get there.

Second question is if we have enough players who understand where we are at the moment and respond accordingly. Relegation should not be an issue, but it is. Unfortunately.

Get all 36,000 in Goodison at 10am tommorow and ask, is it David Moyes and Unsworth as his No 2.
Or is it Big Sam and Sammy Lee.

Which ever it is they get four seasons with conditions.
If we go down they stay.The player we want from this squad sign to say, we go down you stay or we sell.
We need some insurance.

But id bet on either one of that combination keeping us up.Have a clear out,Pickford included his heads massive since Euro's,drop him tomoz play Lossil.
Give who ever we choose £200million.

If only it was that simple.

We must not go down at any cost.But what sort of football we going to play to win 10 out of 19.
In defence of anything had Zoma stayed,a proper 30 goal machine,(Vardy wanted to come???) Signed and Gomes, Gbamin been fit would we have been ralking this way,oh Gana.
We had a squad destroyed for many reasons.The board have admited the center half,No 9 failing.

So here we are.

No gamble,no manager who just hast a clue about the Premier League.

Moyes,+ Unsworth,even Cahill involved.

Big Sam, Sammy Lee, exellent coach.

Safety,Premier League Status.

No gamble.

He never threw his players under the bus and conducted himself impeccably under an awful lot of pressure and ghastly media spotlight in the last few games. He knew he was gone but carried on admirably.

He was largely undone by his own failings but also by poor recruitment and a horrendous slice of bad luck on the injury front. With a fully fit squad would he had done better, well its hard to say but for certain with the players currently at his disposal we shouldn't be bottom 3.

Wrong man for the wrong club I genuinely do wish him all the best in his next job. I hope he takes the lessons learnt from this and makes himself a better manager.

For me though, the behaviour and conduct of our board over the last 2 weeks and its treatment of SIlva personally leaves a bad taste in the mouth.

Mark @ 9, good post there mate, I feel relief more than anything that Silva has gone, his stubbornness and belief in a system that clearly wasn't working was his undoing.

I know mathematically we have enough games to get out of the current position we are in, I also believe in the main that the players we have are not that bad, but their attitude towards recent performances, nevertheless has sounded alarm bells.

Whether deep down they had little faith in Silva or his methods, although some have publicly thanked him via Twitter/Twatter/Gob-book, whether they are genuine or placatory, sycophantic or otherwise will remain a subject of conjecture.

I do hope Duncan, given the opportunity can do the 'new broom' thing and put his stamp on both team selection and some sort of pro-active game plan. I hope he (although limited with personnel choice) is not worried about dropping the 'undroppables' and sends a clear message to all and sundry that no-one is bigger than the Club.

I am looking forward to the game and believe Goodison will initially roar again, not only in relief, that coming up for Panto season, it is ' new lamps for old' and the start of a challenging set of fixtures, which hopefully achieve some points that 'we are not expected to'.

Let's hope the next long term appointment works out better, none of the candidates mentioned to date fill me with grounds for optimism but I will support the new manager and give the time necessary to try and sort out the problems which exist. Any new man coming through the door deserves that.

I can't see Fat Sam coming to us again, too many fans complaining... although I thought it was a good appointment. I could never understand why we wanted Silva.

There is plenty potential in the Championship, eg, Alex Neil, Lee Johnson, Slaven Bilic... Forget Bielsa – that won't happen, he's not a good fit for us. I don't mind Eddie Howe but I still reckon it'll be a Brands appointment, ie, foreign with a decent pedigree.

I just find it all so embarrassing once again. If you're going to sack your manager, you should have someone lined up. Maybe Silva will go back to Watford and we will get Emery?

Serial poor decision making by Silva on tactics, selections and substitutes.

Costly poor decision making by Brands on the likes of Delph, a known sick note, Kean not ready for the PL when we desperately needed a goalscorer, Iwobi an expensive flop so far. Failure to replace Zouma.

Silva took one for the management team. Let's hope their decision making improves because it all flows from that.

The board and club is run by idiots

As I write, SSN are seeking opinion on all things PL from Moyes' old 'nodding dog' Steve Round, who I guess, will soon be back amongst us if Kenwright's will prevails.

Personally, I'm steeling myself to accept whoever the two gorms decide on and as soon as the appointment is announced, I'm down to the bookies for odds against the 'new' manager not surviving beyond Xmas 2020 !

I don't like the vibes I am getting regarding Moshiri's involvement in the manager selection progress and I am wondering where Brands's ro!e actually is?

This could be the beginning of the end for Everton. We're not in any position to be taking chances in “journey men” which this guy appears to be. His track record is less impressive than Silva!!

I, for one, don't understand what's happening at this once great club... 😞😞

There is no doubt he is a really decent fellow who had no luck at all here but it also has to be acknowledged that there were mistakes too.

But he's gone now so the emphasis shifts to his successor.

Please no more bleedin foreign managers with absolutely no idea who we are or what our values are.

Im actually beginning to think Moshiri doesn't have the first clue about these either after kenwright assuring us he was when he first appeared on the scene.

I don't believe because Silva has gone that should be the interest in Zouma dead in the water, and personally depending on the asking price, I would welcome him back to Goodison.

Okay, maybe not a Koulibaly, but a decent fit for us, (proven) but Koulibaly would be VVD sort of money £75M or so.

Would like that Reece James too, but I can't see them letting him go as he is featuring quite regularly for them on the bench with cameos later in games.

His lips move!

What Chelsea do in January is going to be very, very interesting. They should resist the urge to make up for lose time, as Lampard has got a tune out of their squad and they just need some reinforcements rather than wholesale changes. I bet they go out and wreck it all by signing 5 or 6 players!

At best Silva could have hoped for the mid table mediocrity of the Moyes era, characterised by the two results and a loss pattern. But when things start to turned against him like other Managers he was on his own, with the same Finch Farm team , who are sure they will continue in there positions no matter how Everton perform on the pitch, as they have been through the tenure of the last four managers.

Everton need to change more than their Manager to break this 2 year cycle.

Good luck to Marco and thank you.

His record was average at best. He is young enough to still make a name for himself away from the premier League.

As for people slagging Steve Ferns off for backing Silva is beyond a joke.

I personally enjoyed his backing and analysis. It was a refreshing change to the usual negativity.

Whoever gets the job full time needs to get some passion and steel into this squad of multi millionaires.

Anyway, on the topic of January transfers, I would caution against expecting much more than window shopping.

Under FFP regulations, I don't believe we're in a position to be spending much money. FFP requires teams to earn more revenue than they spend, and to ensure that all transfer fee spending is paid and accounted for. We can't check either box. We owe (primarily Barça) transfer fees still, and have been operating at a loss for the past 2 years.

Virtually all of this can be tied to the spending in the summer of 2017. Not only did Koeman/Walsh net spend more than £110m on transfers, but those players' wages are on our books right now (Keane, Schneiderlin, Sigurdsson, Walcott, Tosun), are very expensive, and are quite literally preventing us from being able to upgrade our team further through acquisition. The best we can hope for is likely some shrewd loan signings.

The players need to be moved out, and their wages need to be reduced/eliminated. Or we need to magically increase revenue by more than £50m in the next 30 days. And yet, STILL some persist in blaming Brands for not being good at his job. I wonder how well they'd do at their job if they were handcuffed.

It's further exacerbated by a combination of poor performance from those expensive players contributing greatly to our slide down the table, which will result in a lesser percentage of the EPL TV deal money, i.e. meaning less revenue. And on it goes.

The summer of 2017. The gift that keeps on giving. But it's Brands fault. 🙄

"Thank you to all of the Evertonian fans who always live and breathe the club and show such great passion.

"A special thank you to all of the players, for their professionalism and the commitment they put into their work every day and to the club staff who welcomed me to Finch Farm training ground and made me feel at home.

"All the best. COYB"

Goodbye from Marco Silva

The announcement was that he signed a 3-year deal. If he's owed 12 million, that would put the entire contract's value at 24 million. I cannot believe he was on 8 million a season.

I was opposed to Silva from the outset but feel he was very harshly treated in the end and feel really sorry for the man.

I was opposed to Silva from the outset but feel he was very harshly treated in the end and feel really sorry for the man.

I see talksport are suggesting that Michael Keane stood up in a meeting( they don't say when) and criticized Silva for being nice to them after the game then heavily criticizing the players to the press. I think he always backed his players and just spoke about what the team didnt do collectively. And of all people Michael Keane who has to be one of the poorest centre backs ever to play for this club, to critisize Silva.

I hope we carry on doing everything privately and announce a good manager soon. Let the journalists play the gullible & pessimistic like fiddles. I'll wait for he manager to be unveiled before I have a view. If the papers are right, we'll have 20 exclusive managers!

Sound like anyone we know?

That's not a referendum that's the equivalent of asking "Do you want to be shot in the head or beaten to death with a hammer?"

Let's hope we can find the right man next time because we need stability now, not this constant swapping and changing we have witnessed since Moshiri came into the club.

Good luck Silva, a manager over four seasons in England, but only once did he get to manage over Christmas, and it will be interesting to see where his career goes next?

Impressive form? A few would question that. "Football Insider" seems a misnomer.

I still think he's an excellent manager and he'll have his time again.

With good players relative to his peers he succeeds as he showed at Swansea and now Belgium. The favourite meme of relegation with Wigan ignores Chairman Whelan closing the cheque book and selling his best players. The fact he won the fa cup in such circumstances against champions City was nothing short of miraculous.

If it wasn't for the sage advice of "never go back" I'd have him back here in a heart beat. Moshiri's biggest mistake was listening to the baying mob

History will prove the last 18 months rank amongst the worst periods in recent history and more losses than victories.

Good luck to Marco Silva, injuries, and luck, massive factors, did not help but repeated tactical issues proven by results has led to his demise at EFC.

"I'm also very disappointed with the reception Silva received against Norwich, the entire of the Gwladys Street singing “Fuck Off, Silva!!” at full pelt."

If that is true and at the beginning of the match then it's a fucking disgrace and those involved should be ashamed. I could understand it if it was near the end. Sometimes I despair at the brittle, fickle, loser-like mentality of much of our fanbase.

You are not wrong, many on here on have been reserving their venom for Silva and you're absolutely correct his dismissal is 'one for the management team', put another way a 'sacrificial lamb'.

Moshiri really needs to stop playing fantasy football chairman with a real life topflight football team, it's cost him a fortune out of his own pocket so far and sending us down.

Brands, I'm really not sure about him after his performance this summer? Not getting a proper forward and CB this summer puts one of these ? over his head.

I was at the game and heard nothing like that at the start of the game. Had the whole of the Gwladys Street been singing it, I think I would have.

As I was making my way down the street outside the ground, we could hear 'sacked in the morning' which seemed to be coming from the Gwaldy's Street - although I have since learned that the Norwich fans started that chant.

I can understand why you thought it was prior to kick-off due to Jim's choice of "reception", and if Jim knows something I don't, I'm sure he will come back and post about it.

The only good that came of the chants that Brian and I describe is that it made the suits sit up and take notice, else Mr Silva would be leading the team out tomorrow and perhaps that would have provoked a pre-match rebuke from the fans.

Kenwright will be in Moshiri‘s ear saying we can't take the risk with foreign managers who have no experience of managing over here.

A wild, egotistical Board deciding the strategic future of a great club with an injury-ravaged and confidence-drained team third from bottom. If they fuck it up, we're fucked. The stakes have never been higher, and they've been high for quite a while.

Get it right, lady and gents.

Silva needed more support, his loss says more about the club than it does about him. I wish him well, he deserved better.

The crowd was mostly silent throughout the game – and you can hardly blame us.

Some have said that he didn't get enough help. Ridiculous!!! He had far more opportunity than most of his fellow managers. In reality every manager/coach out performed him during his tenure at Everton. Very few know how he managed the team away from the field. To me he always looked clueless on the sidelines where management skills are the most important and the most visible.Far too often his substitutions defied logic or plain common sense.

I honestly think that whoever we sign to the position should prove to be better than him. Unfortunately with the fixtures ahead the new manager has really been given a lousy hand with few Aces and too many Jokers.

Tony, most would agree Moshiri chased after both Koeman and Silva and if so he's done quite some damage.

Brands? I feel sure at the time Kean was bought, If you asked Silva privately do you want a kid with potential who we're not entirely sure will make an immediate contribution, but most probably a couple of years down the line yes or do you want a striker to make a contribution now? I think I know what he would have chosen.

It's this I believe has kept him in the job when he should have gone, Brands fucked up trying to buy a certain kind of player that fits the profile (young and worth something in the future) and I'd guess Moshiri backed him. This put Silva in a position (that he accepted) and why they've given him every chance, they would have felt guilty sacking him earlier.

Just a bit of reasoning I've put together (take or leave it) and if true it shows how inept our top brass are.

COYB tomorrow! Please !

If it all went tits up tomorrow, click your heels together 3 times and say the words billionaire accountant - then guess who's bank account all that debt would magically end up in...His? or EFC's

On a different note still wondering why no new manager poll up?

It seems like the club do take on board fan reactions, so it could help to have the biggest online fan base's preference in hard numbers.

Bollocks #1 "I know most people on here would prefer relegation..."

Bollocks #2 "...but if he doesn't in the next seven days appoint Moyes and leave all the transfers to him, we are going down."

Don't falsely project YOUR negativity as the majority view, or YOUR regressive thinking as the only path to salvation.

Roar like lions today Blues, players and fans everywhere.

Link

I totally agree with you re Bobby Brown Shoes. Don't forget it was the Europa League that done him; we didn't have the squad for it, just like most clubs. Also, once Koeman sold Deulofeu, I had totally lost faith in him.