The paper claims that the Government's Cobra committee will meet this morning where they are expected to agree to move its response to the COVID-19 pandemic from the “contain” phase to the “delay” phase which would see "social distancing" measures implemented nationwide.
That would involve restrictions on the size of gatherings — typically to around 1,000 people — and would necessitate a crisis plan being unveiled for football.
Under the proposals, the Premier League season would not be suspended or cancelled; rather, all matches would be played without spectators and pubs would not be allowed to show games to discourage the gathering of supporters.
No Premier League games would be played at 3pm, allowing English Football League clubs to stream their matches over iFollow, and all season-ticket holders and ticket holders for individual games would be able to stream coverage of matches into their homes.
The report says that the plan could be put into action once cases of the coronavirus in the UK pass 500. At the time of writing, the total is 460.
Suggestions that the season should be cancelled have been dismissed given the enormous penalties the League would incur from not fulfilling its overseas broadcast contracts. Cancellation of matches would only be considered if infections spread among the players, as is now the case in the National Basketball Association in the United States where a member of the Utah Jazz team has tested positive for COVID-19.
A postponement of games for a number of weeks would threaten the European Championships which are scheduled to kick off in June and is, therefore, not being considered.
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1 Posted 12/03/2020 at 07:07:15
I think the season should be scrapped and restarted again once the pandemic is over. No FA Cup and League winners.
2 Posted 12/03/2020 at 07:09:48
3 Posted 12/03/2020 at 07:13:24
An 'expert' on the BBC has categorically stated that it DOES NOT mean everyone will die from it. In fact it's about 20% of those infected who may succumb to the illness. Of that percentage most with underlying existing diseases, such as respiratory, cardiac or diabetes are at risk.
He further stated that it is more like a bad dose of the flu, to those who contract it.
4 Posted 12/03/2020 at 07:21:14
5 Posted 12/03/2020 at 07:38:59
I've read that piece on the BBC too, and several others as well. And I agree that the consensus seems to be as you say.
80% of those who get it will get flu like symptoms, some mild, and recover. The other 20% will get something worse, of whom 5% will get a nasty dose.
I think the problem is the sheer volume of cases that are anticipated. 20% of a huge number is a huge number. The impact across society is the issue.
It's right to maintain a healthy scepticism given the previous forecasts on SARS, Ebola, and to ignore panic stories wherever you may see them. It also makes sense to follow the advice re hygiene and quarantine especially if you're in the at risk categories. I seem to be because of my age.
However I'm assuming there are people using sophisticated modelling to monitor and forecast, and what they're seeing is sufficiently concerning to result in cutting interest rates and take pretty strong action in the Budget in the billions.
Everyone tells us that it is a worst-case scenario that is driving this. Okay well the next fortnight should tell us a bit more clearly what we might expect.
6 Posted 12/03/2020 at 08:03:14
I'm not expecting everyone to agree with me but my opinion was formed when this doctor said it's much more than a flu. He said I've been here two years, and the people of Bergamo don't go to hospital unless they really have to. They stay at home trying to get better for 8, 9, 10 days, and then they are coming because they can't breath.
The taxi-driver in Rome, made the most sense, he said they should have shut everything down two weeks ago, and every country should be looking at Italy, and realising this.
Shut it down for 2-3 weeks and let them play twice a week to make up the time would be my choice, especially because English clubs are dropping like flies in Europe, with only Wolves, and Man Utd, and Man City, maybe having problems coping if this happens?
7 Posted 12/03/2020 at 08:06:08
The Champions League can carry on though.
8 Posted 12/03/2020 at 08:16:31
Too much money involved.
Both Klopp and Guardiola, as well as Espirito Santo have come out and said this I think. Some things are bigger than football.
Even some talk about deferring the Euros until next summer to accommodate this.
9 Posted 12/03/2020 at 08:23:16
Surely world health and a declared state of emergency out trumps the details of these contracts if the government decreed the Premier League should be cancelled?
10 Posted 12/03/2020 at 08:27:58
They say so many have died from the disease, but fail to add that they were suffering from some respiratory, cardiac or had Diabetes before contraction.
They also omit to give the age of those who are unfortunate enough to have suffered a fatality, I don't expect them to detail each and every case, but a statement like all those who have died were...….. whatever the case may be!
It would go a long way to minimising panic, and leave people better informed, as opposed to implying it is a 21st Century version of the Black Death!
11 Posted 12/03/2020 at 08:37:32
Fans should not be in a position to feel obliged to turn up for matches through blind loyalty to their team, what serious benefits will a full house on Monday night bring under the circumstances?
Ridiculous last night that Atletico fans arrive in thousands despite not being allowed to watch their own team in Madrid, where is the logic in that?
Avoid mass gathering so what do they do? Allow thousands to congregate all in one area on one night.
Common sense is very thin on the ground from people at the best of times and the government lead the way with mad decisions like this.
Make a decision today to play all games behind close doors and be done with it.
12 Posted 12/03/2020 at 08:51:30
Though the proper 'we're taking no chances with this' response is lock down now, suspend everything for 6 weeks!
13 Posted 12/03/2020 at 08:52:42
Put your hands away you fucking idiots...
14 Posted 12/03/2020 at 08:53:22
The genie was released from the bottle here on Merseyside due to that match going ahead and I wouldn't be at all surprised to read of at least one Liverpool player now testing positive although, given the publicised incubation period, not before Monday.
Cancel all games now.
ps: If "behind closed doors" is indeed implemented today, will Cheltenham be treated similarly? I somehow doubt it!
15 Posted 12/03/2020 at 09:06:45
16 Posted 12/03/2020 at 09:21:31
Good news doesnt sell newspapers. Id guess social media is worse but I dont indulge.
I tend to use the BBC News app, and the Guardian app, which are pretty informative and up to date.
Ive read that about 80% of fatalities are either people well over 70, or with a pre existing health condition, or both. Also in China and Italy.
Puts it into perspective I guess, but not much comfort for those who fall into those categories.
17 Posted 12/03/2020 at 09:59:59
Or Trump's tweets?
18 Posted 12/03/2020 at 10:03:55
19 Posted 12/03/2020 at 10:13:10
20 Posted 12/03/2020 at 12:01:36
21 Posted 12/03/2020 at 12:18:37
22 Posted 12/03/2020 at 12:21:00
23 Posted 12/03/2020 at 12:31:08
Around Europe it has progressed from playing games behind closed doors, postponing games and now suspending league competition.
Spain's La Liga has now followed Italy's Serie A in suspending all games following the Real Madrid squad going into self-quarintine.
It makes allowing 2,500 travelling fans from Madrid into Anfield last night look even more irresponsible.
Yesterday F1 champion Lewis Hamilton questioned what the hell the GP Circus was doing in Australia at this time. Today, one of the teams McLaren has pulled out of Sunday's race as their entire team has self-quarintined after a member was tested positive for coronavirus.
Why isn't FIFA or UEFA not taking a lead on this and ordering a blanket suspension of all league's and competitions? Because this piecemeal approach, allowing each individual national federation to take the lead, is not effective. It needs a unified, single response.
Yes, it will cause fixture chaos. Yes, sponsors will scream. But they shouldn't scream too loudly because if they are heard to complain their target consumers might keep their pennies in their pocket rather than buy from a company willing to sacrifice public health for air time at a live sport event.
No need for panic due to the unknown. Take informed decisions and be decisive. Get ahead of the curve ball on this rather than continue to 'muddle through'.
Someone in authority, please, stand up and take the lead on this.
24 Posted 12/03/2020 at 12:37:29
I can't see how the Premier League can continue with what's happening elsewhere.
25 Posted 12/03/2020 at 12:49:55
Simple: China has become a big player in the global market. Chinese are buying into everything all over the world... including football by the way.
Americans have always sold their soul to the devil for money... and now it's come back to bite them in the arse.
Meaning that the good old USA have lost their dominance in the financial global control. So they have created a whole media panic to blame the Chinese, cause yet another world recession to bring their own country to its knees, until their government says "Hey, we can solve this... you, the American people, can rebuild our once great nation by you working hard for minimum wage." By this time, the sheep go along with it coz they're desperate, and the rest of the western world follows suit.
They created the problem knowing they had the illusion of having the solution. Meanwhile, Liverpool win the league behind closed doors against Everton... how ironic!
26 Posted 12/03/2020 at 12:53:57
27 Posted 12/03/2020 at 12:56:37
The way it is going, the league will want to introduce a ban but won't until Liverpool have won the league. We cancel, it's another week gone.
28 Posted 12/03/2020 at 12:57:29
29 Posted 12/03/2020 at 13:01:13
Some would argue members of the Everton defence have been operating in self isolation for most of this season.
30 Posted 12/03/2020 at 13:02:42
I agree with you that this may - MAY - be a bit overreactive.
But to claim the USA has fabricated this entire "media panic to blame the Chinese" so that they can con the American people into working for minimum wage is frankly bonkers.
Do you honestly believe what you just wrote? If so, can I get your take on UFOs and unicorns?
31 Posted 12/03/2020 at 13:09:58
Yes mate, we all know governments would not, and do not, pull strokes to manipulate the working class.
32 Posted 12/03/2020 at 13:12:16
33 Posted 12/03/2020 at 13:15:11
34 Posted 12/03/2020 at 13:25:14
I am based in Asia and visited Wuhan in April last year myself to meet our suppliers. They tell me that its origin was definitely the food markets in the city.
35 Posted 12/03/2020 at 13:29:31
In the light of the ongoing developments in the spread of Covid-19 across Europe and the changing analysis of the World Health Organisation, Uefa has today invited representatives of its 55 member associations, together with the boards of the European Club Association and the European Leagues and a representative of FIFPro, to attend meetings by videoconference on Tuesday 17 March to discuss European football's response to the outbreak. Discussions will include all domestic and European competitions, including Uefa Euro 2020.
Discussions will include all domestic and European competitions, including Uefa Euro 2020.
Further communication will be made following those meetings.
36 Posted 12/03/2020 at 13:38:19
37 Posted 12/03/2020 at 13:39:34
That's not factual, mate. It's speculation.
Reminds me of the story spread by the gang that Aids was caused by an African dating a green monkey.
38 Posted 12/03/2020 at 13:50:38
The day after the derby.
39 Posted 12/03/2020 at 13:53:21
I've seen that widely reported, about the live food markets being at the root of this. I'd assumed it to be factual.
40 Posted 12/03/2020 at 13:58:47
But there is something called Force Majeure. Can our legal friends please tell me why Premier League and others cannot stop all matches and declare Force Majeure (and explain for a load of people on here who have possibly not even aware of it what it is) and so prevent having to pay those enormous penalties?
It does seem to be a classic situation to use it.
41 Posted 12/03/2020 at 14:01:37
It's only a game at the end of the day. It's not just the stadiums, but all the rest of the matchday gatherings. Transport, pre- and post-match drinks.
It's a shame they can't postpone the matches rather than play behind closed doors as it's a bummer for the match-going fans but I suppose the scheduling would be a nightmare.
42 Posted 12/03/2020 at 14:03:24
I don't think they are saying it originated at the market but that it was one of the main initial spreading locations.
43 Posted 12/03/2020 at 14:06:01
I disagree with the quote attributed to Bill Shanly that, "Football is more important than matters of life and death." I have no doubt that it was a tongue-in-cheek remark, and I also believe that he will have had occasion to regret it.
On a more serious note, I'm quite prepared to sacrifice my match attendance for however long it takes, if it's for the benefit of the masses.
44 Posted 12/03/2020 at 14:07:12
We should be concentrating on the elderly and infirm – not having a blanket closedown of society.
For most people who are unlucky enough to catch the virus (and a lot will), it will just be a real discomfort for a few weeks.
We should concentrate all resources on ensuring the elderly and sick are taken care of – not putting someone with a slight temperature in confinement.
45 Posted 12/03/2020 at 14:13:10
46 Posted 12/03/2020 at 14:24:50
47 Posted 12/03/2020 at 14:25:55
Very good, John!
48 Posted 12/03/2020 at 14:28:58
I appreciate, more than you know, your cynicism.
But what I specifically asked was for this instance only:
Does the person in question actually believe the USA sensationalized Covid-19 to implicitly cause a recession to create an environment where America's workers would be forced to work for minimum wage, strengthening America's economy?
Governments manipulate things all the time. But if you believe the above, as was stated previously, sit down, pour a drink, relax, and think about what you're actually proposing for a millisecond. Nuts, John. Bonkers, "elevator not going to the top floor", "couple of sandwiches short of a picnic" nuts.
49 Posted 12/03/2020 at 14:30:07
50 Posted 12/03/2020 at 14:41:34
51 Posted 12/03/2020 at 14:44:04
52 Posted 12/03/2020 at 14:50:37
53 Posted 12/03/2020 at 14:51:49
This is now a fast-moving story. It is looking increasingly likely that football in the UK is going to be suspended this weekend for the forseeable future.
54 Posted 12/03/2020 at 14:53:44
Atletico fans can't watch their team in their own country but they can all fly here, drink and eat, and watch the football in Liverpool?
Cheltenham race festival attended on average by over 120,000 people over its duration and it still goes ahead.
The most idiotic decision was the Ireland vs Italy Rugby game, the match was called off but the Italian fans were still allowed to turn up anyway for a weekend away in Ireland... crazy.
55 Posted 12/03/2020 at 15:01:30
56 Posted 12/03/2020 at 15:04:55
57 Posted 12/03/2020 at 15:16:57
I suppose they are waiting for the epidemic to make big increases before they announce closing down big events.
58 Posted 12/03/2020 at 15:36:41
John G, said nothing will happen whilst Cheltenham is on, and its the biggest day of the festival tomorrow, so maybe this is causing the delay?
59 Posted 12/03/2020 at 15:38:49
Jay #44, it doesn't work that way. You can't protect the elderly and infirm if you don't protect society as a whole. A healthy young person contracting the virus isn't going to die, but he's going to bring it home to Grandma, and she might. The only way to prevent that is to prevent the spread of the virus throughout the community. And until there's a treatment or vaccine, the only proven way to do that is shut everything down.
I'm not saying you could ever take the draconian steps taken by China, but those steps worked. China has stopped the spread of the virus. Only 14 new "homegrown" cases yesterday.
60 Posted 12/03/2020 at 15:40:03
61 Posted 12/03/2020 at 15:40:42
Need to postpone the season for a month and if its not controlled by then, it needs to be declared void.
So Liverpool wont get to play in Europe as Premier League Champions; well neither did Everton in '85. Karma.
62 Posted 12/03/2020 at 15:49:41
An afterthought is that I'm convinced playing the Merseyside derby behind closed doors could actually bring up a lot of problems, so I'd sooner see the game cancelled until a later date; that's if common-sense prevails anyway.
63 Posted 12/03/2020 at 15:56:39
Definitely nuts, bonkers, three bricks shy of a load... but mainstream in this insane administration.
64 Posted 12/03/2020 at 15:57:48
65 Posted 12/03/2020 at 16:00:05
Just drove past my local Tesco Superstore and there were cars queuing to get into every entrance, it's like Christmas multiplied by three. If we're going to try to slow down the spread of this virus, just making a few token gestures like banning the handshake of shite before every game is going to make zero difference.
66 Posted 12/03/2020 at 16:07:34
There will of course be financial suffering by all the people who rely on these events to make a living not just the participants themselves.
Whilst nobody wants to press the panic button I think that many sports should be suspended for the time being including football.
It can be along time before any solution is found so let's all be safe.
I for one would prefer the derby match not to be played at all.
Watching these games in empty stadiums on TV is a bust.
By the way can anyone tell Klopp why Atletico played that way?
What a jerk!!!
67 Posted 12/03/2020 at 16:11:10
Oh, I agree, cancel the Premier League season. Let the RS try again next year.
68 Posted 12/03/2020 at 16:22:02
Lock downs of populations and shut down of sporting events help slow the spread so help for the vulnerable can be targeted but after the lock down/shut out period the virus is still there. Government scientists know this.
A virus is smaller than the wavelength of light. It can get about. So, for Monday, I'll be the one in the Army grade respirator. Or maybe I'll just wash my hands.
69 Posted 12/03/2020 at 16:32:51
And I bet we will be the first Premier League team to play behind close doors... and it will probably be scraped the next week. Two options: carry on to the end of the season or end the season now. And to show I'm not bitter: if scraped, give the title to Liverpool. It would be unfair for Leeds, but we have had our disappointments – twice denied the European Cup, which we could have won.
70 Posted 12/03/2020 at 16:51:58
Biden and Sanders debating in two clear Perspex boxes like they're David Blaine.
Overnight, it's just gone cray cray here.
71 Posted 12/03/2020 at 17:01:44
72 Posted 12/03/2020 at 17:13:24
73 Posted 12/03/2020 at 17:18:31
Maybe I'm thick, but that's what these measures seem to me, absolutely stupid, and the only thing it's going to guarantee is that things are going to get a whole lot worse.
74 Posted 12/03/2020 at 17:24:38
75 Posted 12/03/2020 at 17:28:41
It's not me laughing in the 'Face of adversity,' it's more a case of 'Cocking a Snook' at the inevitability. Disregarding the lightheartedness of my posts, I consider the subject a very serious matter, and if being denied my matchday experience is the worst-case scenario, I'm quite prepared to forego the so-called 'pleasure' in the interests of the many.
76 Posted 12/03/2020 at 17:34:12
The chief medical officer has explained the thinking behind not banning big outdoor sporting events, among a lot of other things, and if you didn't see it, it's quite easy to believe there's not enough being done.
The thinking behind it all isn't exactly obvious and without hearing it some will not understand and thus come to the wrong conclusion. Things will get worse, they know and admit that, but the plans are to lessen the effect.
77 Posted 12/03/2020 at 17:39:07
78 Posted 12/03/2020 at 17:42:24
"Flattening and delaying the peak" seems to be a big part of this. If you have too many people being hospitalised over a short period of time, hospitals will be overwhelmed. And delaying the peak a month or two gets us out of winter when hospitals will be less busy anyway.
79 Posted 12/03/2020 at 17:49:57
Brian #77, to a certain extent, yes, but there is some guesswork involved as well. Relatively few scientists have a great deal of experience with something this extensive. Viruses like SARS, MERS, Ebola etc impact a few thousand patients at a time. This crisis is exponentially larger.
80 Posted 12/03/2020 at 17:55:05
After watching the Prime Minister's press conference, I, for one, feel like they know what they're doing. It may be different from what other countries are doing but the explanations behind the differences made sense to me.
81 Posted 12/03/2020 at 18:06:22
82 Posted 12/03/2020 at 18:15:59
83 Posted 12/03/2020 at 18:16:33
84 Posted 12/03/2020 at 18:21:39
85 Posted 12/03/2020 at 18:22:23
If you listen to the reasoning behind the steps being taken, it makes good sense. The scientists are well experienced in what needs to be done and, more importantly, wren.
The scientists in the majority of countries affected, Scotland, Ireland included, disagree with the scientists advising Boris and his cronies.
86 Posted 12/03/2020 at 18:26:58
87 Posted 12/03/2020 at 18:28:51
88 Posted 12/03/2020 at 18:30:33
Imagine you are a healthy young person, and a football fanatic, but you live with an elderly or sick relative – do you stay at home and give the game a miss? Or do you go the match and risk the health of the relative?
Likewise if you happen to support the other team but your job is a low-paid carer, do you give up on the opportuntity to witness potential footballing history or do you put the lives of those you care for at risk?
Unfortunately, not every person will make the altruistic call and that's why all games should be suspended, because football – much more than other leisure pursuit – is like a drug and rationality goes out the window, even for the most knowledgeable and intelligent person.
I'm not advocating the total shut-down of all society but, when things are of no great importance in the grand scheme of things, surely the authorities – whether that be the Government or the sports administrators – can make a call that's good for the health of the whole country?
89 Posted 12/03/2020 at 18:30:37
I don't know how much it would cost, for example, Everton on Monday night, to purchase all these gloves, but wouldn't it be better to spend a few thousand pounds on these gloves, rather than miss out on whatever our total match income is?
90 Posted 12/03/2020 at 18:46:51
Not that I support anything that Nicola Sturgeon says or does; however, she has announced all gatherings over 500 people will be cancelled from the beginning of next week.
It has nothing to do with passing of the virus from person to person. It is purely due to the fact that such gatherings are required to have a certain number of services such as police, medical staff etc who can be utilised better at other places at this time.
91 Posted 12/03/2020 at 18:59:59
I don't like to see government restricting how we live our lives and, in the end, it will peak and die. We can stop it in a couple of weeks but I believe that makes a second wave all but certain.
Cases in China are plummeting and they will eventually in the UK without restrictions. The death rate is very low and mainly people who would have died the next time they caught flu. The death rates are tiny compared with a typical winter's flu (for example, 70,000 is not unusual in the USA alone).
92 Posted 12/03/2020 at 19:05:42
Right now, I couldn't give a fuck if we re-signed Brett Angell, gave Niasse a 10-year contract or anything.
The paramount of people's safety and Everton fans should boycott that match on Monday night, how on gods earth can all leagues across Europe be suspended yet we carry on??
93 Posted 12/03/2020 at 19:06:14
94 Posted 12/03/2020 at 19:16:53
Interesting point by Phil Roberts (40), as Booking.com announced a Force Majeure on Tuesday. This has ensured my non- canceable hotel bill in Italy will be refunded in full. We were due to fly out tomorrow to watch England win the 6 nations this weekend, but the match has been postponed.
The Premier League, however us a different situation with so many games. Can't postpone all them. Let us batter them on Monday – I can go the game as Italy is cancelled – and then cancel the season. The Reds can attend counselling with all those unfortunate Wimbledon, Luton, Oxford and Coventry fans whose team never ever played in Europe thanks to the blanket Heysel ban.
Getting confirmation of a full refund from Lufthansa was topped off by Atletico wiping a different virus from Europe.
95 Posted 12/03/2020 at 19:19:58
For the WHO to class this as a pandemic, it shows not only how serious it is, but how quickly it can spread.
When major sports organizations, eg, the NBA in The States, start closing down their leagues, this shows how serious they consider this virus is.
I am not in favour of playing behind closed doors after watching a couple of games, as the lack of supporters just takes the excitement from it (a bit like VAR does) but, as this virus picks at random who gets it, it is better to miss a game or more than become seriously ill watching it.
As an Evertonian, I understand that, after watching some of the games lately, we get sick after watching, but I get over it after a couple of days. It's not like catching this virus where you can end up in hospital and be put in quarantine.
We have to hope that the Government takes note of the scientific facts and the scientists are correct with their recommendations, as they are responsible for the people's health and welfare.
96 Posted 12/03/2020 at 19:23:52
Absolutely, what many countries are doing now is totally subjective and we are almost certainly correct in not following blindly.
They say that banning gatherings of many people is right yet provide not a shred of evidence. They watch idiots walking around with masks on and say nothing. They perhaps do not understand risk but then again why should medical people and politicians understand risk? They are good at what they do but that doesn't include understanding what risk is.
97 Posted 12/03/2020 at 19:29:29
98 Posted 12/03/2020 at 19:30:43
It does seem strange that footballing mad countries such as Italy, Spain, Holland and Portugal have decided to halt their leagues but the UK hasn't, could it be a question of financial considerations on the UK's behalf?
99 Posted 12/03/2020 at 19:31:22
Because all leagues across Europe haven't been suspended.
100 Posted 12/03/2020 at 19:36:54
101 Posted 12/03/2020 at 19:46:05
"Cases in China are plummeting and they will eventually in the UK without restrictions."
Do you know WHY cases in China are plummeting? Because they basically locked down 60 million people at the source! They shut off mass transit, closed the airports and highways, closed all businesses except food markets and pharmacies, and ordered tens of millions of people not to walk out their doors. And they are STILL locked down, my family included.
"Without restrictions" this virus could have raced through hundreds of millions of people like a wildfire. It was spreading that fast. And in Wuhan it has devastated the economy and the normal social fabric in ways that will take a long time to recover from -- along with killing several thousand people, directly and indirectly.
You want proof of the consequences of large gatherings when this virus is on the loose? What happened in Wuhan in the last two weeks of January should be all the proof you ever need.
102 Posted 12/03/2020 at 19:48:30
Close schools but you then have to consider who minds the kids; if grandparents mind them, they're at higher risk; kids will find a way out of the home in time; if parents stay off work to child mind, they lose money, the company might not be able to cope without them etc etc etc.
103 Posted 12/03/2020 at 19:51:02
104 Posted 12/03/2020 at 19:51:20
Uefa meet on Tuesday 17 March.
105 Posted 12/03/2020 at 19:52:45
106 Posted 12/03/2020 at 19:55:19
107 Posted 12/03/2020 at 19:55:45
All the different social measures countries around the world are taking will not get rid of the virus. They are about delaying the rates of infection.
Anguish is cranking up hourly and people are feeling "something must be done". There is pressure for the stopping of football matches, including the game on Monday. But the banning of football matches is only a contribution to the delay, not the eradication of the virus.
I look on the bright side. If the derby is cancelled, I'm not guaranteed of feeling crap on Tuesday morning.
108 Posted 12/03/2020 at 19:56:30
109 Posted 12/03/2020 at 20:00:40
How can anything carry on as normal with the sheer mass panic?
Let's be honest, no clubs can expect season ticket sales at this time of year when most are recruited because none of us knows how safe we will be going amongst mass gatherings even in August?
People panic and that stops people doing things.
110 Posted 12/03/2020 at 20:10:19
111 Posted 12/03/2020 at 20:13:42
If everybody gets sick at once, the healthcare system is overwhelmed and more people die because they can't get medical care. Slowing the contagion, even if you can't stop it, improves the chances there will be enough hospital beds for people who really need them.
112 Posted 12/03/2020 at 20:23:35
My views exactly. Except I might say WHEN the economy tanks. That Budget yesterday was a recession Budget. They certainly can't afford another hit to the economy after this. It's doing a good job of tanking now.
Only my opinion, of course.
113 Posted 12/03/2020 at 20:24:39
Agreed. Delay is important, as I mentioned briefly (#68).
114 Posted 12/03/2020 at 20:32:30
115 Posted 12/03/2020 at 20:43:23
But don't start me on Osborne.
116 Posted 12/03/2020 at 20:57:18
117 Posted 12/03/2020 at 21:02:41
118 Posted 12/03/2020 at 21:04:50
The golf tournament literally just across the street from me, the TPC Players Championship, will go ahead with no gallery admitted tomorrow through Sunday.
The NHL, NBA, MLB, and anything basically involving sport is cancelled.
Is there honestly any way they'll have Premier League games in two days time? I'd be stunned.
119 Posted 12/03/2020 at 21:09:03
I got a ticket for Monday, my wife thinks I'm nuts for not saying yet I won't go. Head says no, heart says yes. I must be daft indeed.
120 Posted 12/03/2020 at 21:10:16
121 Posted 12/03/2020 at 21:22:57
Every public gathering requires policing, medical, and emergency responders to be in attendance. Whilst we might not get the virus watching the game, you are removing important resources away from people who need it or might require urgent attention in a time of grave international importance.
We are all part of a bigger thing, time for us to act like it. Anyone who thinks the games should go ahead, even behind closed doors, is selfish and is fundamentally misunderstanding the situation.
To not ban events right now is selfish and irresponsible, the government should hang their heads.
122 Posted 12/03/2020 at 21:23:39
This is all down to saving people's lives and the medical experts everywhere are basically calling the shots.
Let them do their jobs as we, the masses depend on what they do.
Trump, Johnson, Trudeau and the others are just following the best criteria for stopping the spread.
123 Posted 12/03/2020 at 21:26:43
124 Posted 12/03/2020 at 21:31:18
My advice, don't go.
I'm not going, it will be the first derby I've missed in 22 years but I'm not even considering putting myself or relatives at such a risk over a game of football.
Avoiding crowds of people will limit my chances of contracting this so I'm sorry to say it's a sacrifice I can out of choice make.
Other fans should put two fingers up to the FA, Uefa, the government and boycot it too.
125 Posted 12/03/2020 at 21:41:18
It is a case of managing resource to have the greatest support and impact to those affected. The Premier League have confirmed only moments ago the slate for this weekend will go ahead unabated. Shocking.
126 Posted 12/03/2020 at 21:42:00
Whilst I agree that attending on Monday isn't worth the risk, just because the CMO, PM or anyone else haven't yet come out and said ban this event, stop that etc, doesn't mean that carefully planned action isn't already being implemented.
127 Posted 12/03/2020 at 21:45:59
128 Posted 12/03/2020 at 21:46:04
It feels like the government are too slow to act though.
The clear example was the invitation of 3,000 Madrid fans from their city that has suspended games to avoid the spread, yet they are allowed to come into the town centre, drink in bars (out of glasses that are reused) and share close proximity, thus them transmitting and also contracting themselves while here).
It was a disgrace that the government didn't, and have yet to, intervene.
129 Posted 12/03/2020 at 21:51:27
If the league is cancelled, do we call it as it is? Or start over? Either way, I imagine we will see lawsuits from teams relegated or not promoted due to an incomplete season.
130 Posted 12/03/2020 at 21:52:48
The reaction since their exit from the competition has been pathetic across the board. Jurgen Klopp cannot take losing. I even heard the weather and conditions to blame by one pundit this morning.
131 Posted 12/03/2020 at 22:06:53
Following the latest update from Government issued this afternoon, all Premier League matches will go ahead as scheduled this weekend. While the Prime Minister advised that all sporting events should take place as normal for now, he also indicated that Government is considering banning major public events, like sporting fixtures. We are therefore continuing to work closely with our clubs, Government, The FA, EFL and other relevant stakeholders to ensure appropriate contingency plans are in place as and when circumstances change. The welfare of players, staff and supporters is of paramount importance and we will continue to follow Public Health England guidelines thoroughly. We will keep everyone updated as appropriate.
While the Prime Minister advised that all sporting events should take place as normal for now, he also indicated that Government is considering banning major public events, like sporting fixtures.
We are therefore continuing to work closely with our clubs, Government, The FA, EFL and other relevant stakeholders to ensure appropriate contingency plans are in place as and when circumstances change.
The welfare of players, staff and supporters is of paramount importance and we will continue to follow Public Health England guidelines thoroughly.
We will keep everyone updated as appropriate.
132 Posted 12/03/2020 at 22:17:53
Quite right, Steven. The Prime Minister informed the public on the BBC News to wash your hands whilst singing the Happy Birthday song twice.
If that's not carefully planned advice, what is?
133 Posted 12/03/2020 at 22:28:06
134 Posted 12/03/2020 at 22:28:58
135 Posted 12/03/2020 at 22:30:48
I'm trapped in Latvia so I couldn't attend anyway, but I would implore as many of you as possible to avoid the derby. Football is trifling compared to your health.
136 Posted 12/03/2020 at 22:33:34
137 Posted 12/03/2020 at 22:34:51
138 Posted 12/03/2020 at 22:48:01
Regarding Klopp, I hear he stated he didn't understand why A. Madrid would play that way. Now I may be nearly 80 and I sometimes have some loss of memory but didn't Madrid win last night, or were they supposed to play a style so that Liverpool could win?
On the virus, it's just been announced that Disney are closing its theme park in California, and anyone who has been to this one or the one in Florida will know that these parks take in more a day for parking fees than most Premier League teams take in a home game.
So they are definitely taking it seriously and I hope the British Government take this really seriously.
139 Posted 12/03/2020 at 23:16:03
It doesn't matter what political party you're from, but the general public need confidence and reassurance from the top, and a number of leaders are failing to react to something that is harmful to the general public. A crisis will show either poor or great leadership.
140 Posted 12/03/2020 at 00:01:13
The major out-take is that the hard decisions eventually made in China, and a few close-by countries who followed the example, has stopped the exponential increases in infection cases that are seemingly occurring already. This is in stark contrast to the likes of Belgium, which appears worse than even Italy with its rate of increase.
The main recommendation is to Governments – act fast on social distancing for the best possible containment.
BTW, I'm only the messenger. So don't shoot me.
141 Posted 13/03/2020 at 01:45:38
The problem however is that is only confirmed 'Tested' cases and we don't really know how many are infected. The UK have about 600 confirmed but suggested today 10,000. Italy were reporting around 12,000 but with 1000 deaths and a mortality rate of 1% they must have 100,000 infected which will double in 4 days.
Their lockdown measures are hoping to slow this.
The UK are saying you cannot contain it, you slow it and allow a controlled spread to build 'herd immunity'. It's interesting and differs from others. In a way, China have only put the genie back in the bottle. What are they going to do? They are holding the lid on. That model has to wait until those infected have either recovered or died and a vaccine is ready; otherwise, when they lift the lockdown, the virus will invade again attacking an unexposed population.
The UK will not be testing all and may never know how many cases we get. If you have symptoms, you are to self-isolate but nobody is counting the mild cases.
Italy, as we know, have gone for strict lockdown, whilst France have gone for self-isolating the vulnerable population; three different models.
It's become a global experiment, from which we will learn.
142 Posted 13/03/2020 at 07:00:36
143 Posted 13/03/2020 at 07:56:51
On another note, Man City's European ban might not be such a punishment.
144 Posted 13/03/2020 at 08:30:17
145 Posted 13/03/2020 at 08:36:48
Excuse my skepticism but any 'new or previously unknown virus' always triggers the question: How has it manifested itself (?) or Has it been a bio-experiment that has somehow gone out of control!
Like AIDS, which had never been encountered before, where did it emanate from? I know viruses can 'mutate' but, from what I can gather this, bears little or no resemblance to any known virus.
Do-de-do-de...… we are now entering the Twilight Zone!
146 Posted 13/03/2020 at 09:59:05
147 Posted 13/03/2020 at 15:18:23
148 Posted 14/03/2020 at 10:50:43
I have always admired those fans who have loyally supported the less fashionable teams because it is their local side. Knowing that the chance of ever reaching the Top Table is not impossible but nevertheless highly unlikely.
I believe that, when this virus has subsided, that the Top Clubs along with the FA should provide some sort of recompense for those Clubs who do fall into the unfortunate category of Bankruptcy.
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