But Pickford's contract at Everton has another 4 years to run, after his original 5-year deal was extended by a further 6 years to 2024 — surely in part to send a message that Everton were determined to keep him on their books.
An Everton player since 2017-18, the former Sunderland player was purchased in a deal potentially rising to £30M and is very unlikely to become available for sale, even though some Everton fans have been frustrated with his antics and sometimes glaring errors.
However, in recent games under Carlo Ancelotti, the enigmatic Mackem appears to have become more stable and less erratic.
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1 Posted 28/06/2020 at 10:53:41
2 Posted 28/06/2020 at 11:14:53
All goalkeepers make mistakes, the difference is the elite goalkeepers make less and have better concentration meaning they can make big saves in games with few shots against them.
An upgrade on PickFord would cost circa £70m and that assumes they would be available and want to join us...
3 Posted 28/06/2020 at 11:34:48
They might sign Donnarumma for £50m but not Pickford.
If for whatever reason they do then we should take the £50m. Lots of goalkeepers around Europe could be bought for no more than £20m who are at least as good as Pickford.
4 Posted 28/06/2020 at 11:49:47
Pickford is a decent keeper but, statistically, hes actually got worse since joining us. Hell likely lose his England spot soon. Perhaps hell get better as he matures but in the unlikely event that Chelsea bid good money for him I would take it and look for goalkeeper who makes more saves.
5 Posted 28/06/2020 at 12:00:41
6 Posted 28/06/2020 at 12:12:19
He has done okay in the two games so far. His distribution has been a little wayward but it will take the rest of this season to see if he has calmed-down a bit.
Personally, I would welcome £50m for him and I am sure we could find someone as good as him(or better) for a lot less.
7 Posted 28/06/2020 at 12:33:45
8 Posted 28/06/2020 at 13:01:00
Who would most of us here prefer?
Apparantly Barca are a fan of Onana too, so there well be a bidding war.
I'm no fan of Pickford, as many of us here aren't, so I'd love it to happen.
9 Posted 28/06/2020 at 13:42:39
But back to the story, I'll be amazed if Pickford leaves this summer. Could see GK and RB being a focus for summer 2021 however.
We know he's not as bad as is sometimes made out but he is erratic, has possibly gone backwards and needs at least some decent competition (ie not Lossl).
10 Posted 28/06/2020 at 14:03:14
This all maybe rumour of course, but if it's not I think we should seriously consider any decent offer. He is not consistent enough for me, and can regularly fluctuate between Top and Circus Class, with some of his saves.
11 Posted 28/06/2020 at 14:16:04
I remember in the early 80s people who didn't rate a young bin man we had in goal. I can also remember being at a game (Leeds away) where a much older Nev made not one but 2 mistakes. (I remember it because I can barely remember a game where he made any).
Goalkeepers peak at a much older age than other players, like spin bowlers in cricket. Don't expect the finished article until they are pushing 30. To deride Pickford now and discard him would, in my opinion, be a mistake that we could come to regret. He makes enough great saves to show that he has the talent. Show me a man who hasn't made an error and I'll show you a man who hasn't attempted anything.
12 Posted 28/06/2020 at 14:57:16
With a more stable team and defence in front of him and Carlo instilling more tactical discipline across the team and individually, I think he will improve next season. This season has been poor for other starting 11 players (Digne, Mina, Sigurdson).
Far more glaringly obvious areas of the team need addressing first - right wing, centre mid, left wing and centre half in that order of priority.
13 Posted 28/06/2020 at 15:03:48
Pickfords stats have got worse as the midfield in front of the defence has sadly got worse. Theres no gana this season for a start. He has huge potential but now it needs to come out more consistently. Theres a reason big clubs are linked to him after all.
14 Posted 28/06/2020 at 15:10:58
Why add to the confusion and contemplate a change of keepers?
In other news, nice piece on the club site with Carlo naming 3 players from the current squad he sees as future managers. No spoilers from me as to who they are.
Also yet further insight into his management style and the importance of delegating responsibility to others you can trust.
15 Posted 28/06/2020 at 15:27:55
I wonder if he will be included into the Coaching Set-Up once he his fully fledged. He also produced that smile when asked what he knew about potential Summer Recruitment at Everton, implying to me that he knew more than he was prepared to let out of the bag.
16 Posted 28/06/2020 at 15:30:55
17 Posted 28/06/2020 at 15:41:33
If Pickford emulates him he'll earn us points. I just don't see it though unlesss Carlos has brought in an excellent goalie coach..
18 Posted 28/06/2020 at 16:31:10
His (new) beard makes him look like he lives in a ditch, scruffy get.
19 Posted 28/06/2020 at 16:37:14
20 Posted 28/06/2020 at 16:41:12
There is no doubt he is a great shotstopper but he totally lacks command of his area and is a nervous wreck from dead ball deliveries.
Instead of organizing his defenders he unsettles them.
For me we can do a little better but persuading them to come might be a different matter.
21 Posted 28/06/2020 at 16:50:45
22 Posted 28/06/2020 at 17:18:53
He had the highest shot stop ratio in his last season for Sunderland because they had the most shots on goal conceded.
Put a bid in for that Burnley lad, he's a much better keeper.
23 Posted 28/06/2020 at 17:39:27
24 Posted 28/06/2020 at 18:06:21
25 Posted 28/06/2020 at 18:14:03
Transferring young goalkeepers usually means you believe, (a) he is not good enough, (b) he will be unable to improve, (c) you have some other keeper lined up, or (d) you are offered a fee that is to large to refuse.
Goalkeepers are a specialized position and if he is sold, regardless of the fee, once other clubs realize what you need, the fee you have to pay may leave little profit from what you received in his transfer.
You cant coach instinct and reaction saves, and that is about 8o%, it maybe more of a keepers saves.His other weaknesses should be able to be coached ?
We are weaker in other positions that is going to be a priority in the transfer market and going on some of the pricing for keepers Pickford will most probably be given another season.
26 Posted 28/06/2020 at 18:15:06
Pope has had a good season and is definitely more commanding than PickFord but is also in the top 3 keepers with the least passes in his own half (i.e he goes long everytime which usually leads to losing possession) and is not as good a shot stopper as Jordan.
Therefore it is highly likely we would need to get a goalkeeper from abroad.
27 Posted 28/06/2020 at 22:15:28
28 Posted 29/06/2020 at 08:55:35
He is a goalie in the Martyn mould. He is 196 cm tall, or a inch taller than Duncan. And when he dives for the ball, he dives straight for the ball, not jumping around like a baboon, like a certain someone.
He was goalie of the season in Bundesliga in 2017-18. And with an age of 27, means he can do a job for us for a whole decade.
29 Posted 29/06/2020 at 09:26:37
30 Posted 29/06/2020 at 11:39:57
31 Posted 29/06/2020 at 11:41:02
Pickford does make some great saves but hes not a consistent shot stopper at all, way too many efforts that he should be saving go in too easily. Anything above 30 million and I think you could replace with someone for half that fee with equal ability and use the extra money to throw at the most important area on the pitch that needs improvement and thats midfield.
Same for Bernard, high wages but were well covered in that position and whilst I like him as a player, he doesnt really produce many goals or assists to justify the high wage. Could be decent business to sell as we have Iwobi, Richarlison and the emergence of Gordon to cover the left. His wage and transfer fee could be concentrated on getting the right hand side sorted.
Moise Kean, desperate for him to do well but really struggling to see a player there. Decent fee whilst stock is still relatively high and wouldnt be sorry to see him go.
Again, this is based purely on the impact of COVID and if we need to sell players to get in new ones.
32 Posted 29/06/2020 at 12:27:56
We really do not want to council selling Pickford unless we have a quality nailed-on replacement lined up. I'm staggered by some of the comments on this thread.
33 Posted 29/06/2020 at 12:40:50
He needs to improve is shot-stopping from long range, and he needs to improve his distribution.
I can't see us signing anyone better until we are a top-6 team. So I think trading him only to sign someone of a similar stature would just be inconvenient.
If Brands & Ancelotti identify someone, like Liverpool did with Alisson, then go for it. Sign that player, then sell Pickford. But if we sell Pickford then move in the market, we'll get ripped off as the seller will know we're desperate.
The transfer window is gonna see limited movement, which I think can benefit us in the long run: few signings, but the right ones, and ones that will make significant improvements to the team.
One defender, 2 midfielders, and if Kean is sold, another striker.
34 Posted 29/06/2020 at 13:45:45
Too many fans ready to blame keeper when whole team has been inconsistent all season and in fact hasn't really been impressive in any game even the victories.
Let's move on to next season and hope Carlo has some new class acts where necessary so that we can finally mount a competitive challenge. Being behind the likes of Burnley and Palace in the table is not acceptable.
35 Posted 29/06/2020 at 15:50:16
We need near enough a whole new midfield, most likely a centre-back and in an ideal world, a new right-back.
Selling the deadwood is as important but it isn't going to raise sufficient funds to fund new purchases to improve the team. And yes, I believe that Pickford is 100% replaceable for less money as I really don't think he's anywhere near as good as some like to believe.
The odd world-class save clouds a lot of peoples judgment on him but in reality, he just doesn't save as many routine efforts on goal as he should. All the stats back this up and whilst they may not be glaring errors, he lets in far too many weak efforts on a consistent basis.
36 Posted 29/06/2020 at 15:52:23
Also, one or two posters have already said too many changes can be detrimental. Brands has said he wants two or three signings in and it's so important I want him to focus totally on that.
Anything else is a distraction from the main work, the last thing we want is to be scrambling around on deadline day looking for a quality midfielder (or two).
37 Posted 29/06/2020 at 16:18:23
Dean Henderson - not that he would meet your own stated criteria on any likely transfer fee - is one much heralded on TW and beyond. He cost his team the game yesterday and his distribution, kicking from hand or ground, was woeful.
The link I provided earlier offers valuable insight into Ancelotti's and (possibly) Brands thinking. Alan Kelly not only spoke glowingly of Pickford's dedication during lockdown, but also how ALL the club's keepers - from seniors to juniors - are now being schooled in how Carlo wants his keepers to play.
This is probably anathema to those who fret at Everton playing the ball out from the back, but Carlo will insist on this.
Quoting Kelly, not just Pickford but Maarten Stekelenburg, Joao Virginia, Harry Tyrer and Nico Hansen ALL used video analysis during the break to further entrench the goalkeeping requirements in Carlo Ancelottis playing style.
“During the lockdown we had video calls and went over the managers playing philosophy and how it impacts the goalkeeper in game situations.
“From my own stats, a goalkeeper could have up to 50 distribution actions within the game, through goal kicks, back passes and restarts.
“That adds up to a lot of possession for the goalkeeper. As a keeper, its about using the ball within the managers philosophy and the tactics on the day against that particular team.
“During the calls, we went over clips and I asked for their opinions, too. As a coach, youve got to listen as well and I found that fantastic as an exercise.
“I got their in-depth opinions on certain situations, in terms of receiving a back pass or taking a goal kick – what was the thought process when they had the ball at their feet?
“It was a real two-way process and I think everyone now fully understands what it required of them and when.”
It has long been commented on that Finch Farm is full of ex-players, jobs-for-the-boys, that there is no continuity in playing style from junior to senior level.
More recently, Carlo's own commitment to the cause and his abilities as a fitness trainer and coach have also been questioned on these pages.
Kelly's words rather suggest otherwise is now the case.
Throw into the mix another interview Carlo did last week stating he likes to delegate and surround himself with good people he can trust.
Based on the fact that Jordan Pickford has played every minute of every single PL game since he joined us under I don't know how many different managers rather suggests he is highly regarded.
As I said earlier, this transfer window is going to be complicated enough as it is. No need to further complicate it by selling off a key component of the spine we are trying to build.
38 Posted 29/06/2020 at 16:44:34
39 Posted 29/06/2020 at 16:59:28
Someone mentioned about Southall, a brilliant keeper, the best in my eyes, very rarely did you see Neville parry The ball back into the area, more than often he would command that box, if needed he would parry the ball towards the touch line or over the bar, more often than not he would come towards the ball and throw his body at it.
Those are the tweaks Pickford needs to achieve, better positioning closer to his goal line, cutting down any shots being chipped over him, parrying the ball away from the danger area, and commanding his area better at set pieces and corners.
At shot stopping reaction saves is his strength, he needs to work on the other two.
He also needs to work on opposing fans getting inside his head and playing up to them.
Achieve the above and he will become one of the best keepers.
40 Posted 29/06/2020 at 17:09:01
I'm not championing him as the new Nev just yet (I mean, Christ, he has given me a few palpitations over the years) but without stating the obvious, people do notice the lash ups with GKs because by extension they are likely to be more costly - last line of defence and all that - and you can look at all the top keepers in the prem and find costly mistakes.
I simply do not see any other GK who could be brought in for less money, never mind half the money, who would give us more going forward in time, especially if his coaching can bring on the clear potential the guy has. The fact that these moves to the likes of Chelsea indicate how highly regarded he is away from the ranks of ToffeeWeb.
Forget adding GK to the list for treatment, let's sort the essential surgery out first.
41 Posted 29/06/2020 at 17:12:06
Look at the way Ben Foster lined up his wall for Southamptons third goal yesterday? Leaning to his left to see the ball, whilst offering up 80% of his goal to his right, was really amateurish, and my biggest gripe with Pickford is not the saves he makes, but the ones he makes, that he shouldnt really have to?
42 Posted 29/06/2020 at 19:26:04
43 Posted 29/06/2020 at 20:44:29
I like Jordan, he's a good keeper but not in the top 6 premier league keepers ie I rate Kepa as better.
44 Posted 29/06/2020 at 21:15:08
On balance, he's simply not good enough for where we are or where we want to be as a club.
45 Posted 29/06/2020 at 22:14:01
Goalkeeper is a notorious position to fill, as sir Alex found out!
We have as good as we are going to get at this point in time. He has looked slightly less edgy since the restart. Maybe the lack of crowds is calming him down? Im not his biggest fan by any stretch, but at this present moment in time, who replaces him? A risk from abroad?
46 Posted 30/06/2020 at 03:48:12
47 Posted 30/06/2020 at 05:38:38
48 Posted 30/06/2020 at 06:27:29
The way and speed at which the modern ball moves make it a different game. You can see keepers moving in the direction the ball appears to be going and then see a late change of direction in mid air which is why you see keepers trying to parry or deflect shots at the last moment whereas 25 years ago the ball would have been caught.
Also distribution then consisted mainly of kicking out of hands to the general vicinity of a big centre forward as you could pick up back passes. Gordon West was considered remarkable for being able to throw the ball as far as the halfway line while keepers today seem to be able to kick off the ground the entire length of the pitch.
Anyone remember George Best talking of Gordon Banks weakness and then proving it in a Home International, or Toshack and Keegan across the park flicking on a high ball for the other to run onto? All would be frowned on today and the keeper accused of poor distribution. About the only thing that seems not to have changed is rolling it out to a wide standing full back or a winger who has fallen back.
49 Posted 30/06/2020 at 07:29:57
Lots of people on here saying hes a good shot stopper. He isnt. Or hasnt been this season and last.
I agree that Brands wont want too much disruption and I think the likelihood of Chelsea pushing this move is extremely low. Hopefully he can improve under Carlo.
50 Posted 30/06/2020 at 07:57:33
51 Posted 30/06/2020 at 10:03:03
I was watching Buendia against Man Utd, he was adopting a more centralised role at times in that game. He played well and didn't look out of place. If Carlo gets his No 1 choice centre-midfielder, then Buendia could be a shrewd second midfield signing that gives us greater strength in depth due to his versatility.
If Carlo is overlooking Jonjoe Kenny, then Norwich's right-back, Aarons, needs serious consideration too. I'm sure as soon as Norwich's relegation is confirmed, those two will move on.
52 Posted 30/06/2020 at 14:20:19
Jordan has his flaws for sure. He is erratic and his emotions get the better of him. Sure hes not as good as some think. Hes definitely not as bad as some on here make out.
I wonder who much better Pickford would be with a commanding centre half, like the big fella across the park, ahead of him. A calming influence on the defence. Some confidence in the side as a whole and the ability to keep clean sheets.
If someone offered silly money for Pickford, I think wed take it. But the reality is, hes here to stay for a bit longer yet and hes still developing and can get better.
I like having the England keeper in royal blue, even if he is a bit daft and prone to the odd error.
53 Posted 30/06/2020 at 15:55:38
54 Posted 30/06/2020 at 17:14:31
At Everton over the last 4 years there's been no competition for GK and all transfer windows have had bigger issues to solve than GK. For England equally there has not been a huge amount of competition though perhaps with Henderson and Pope that may change.
Like you say Pickford is not as bad as some think and not as good as others think. I honestly think he's a mid-table goalkeeper which is probably about right for us currently. But if we have top 5 aspirations over the next few years then he will have to improve on his form of the last two years.
55 Posted 30/06/2020 at 19:50:59
The like of Davies, Siggy, Delph, Walcott, Iwobi, Besic, Bolasie will not get us into the top 6 any time soon.
If Richarlison goes then we are genuinely screwed.
56 Posted 30/06/2020 at 21:06:24
57 Posted 30/06/2020 at 21:17:12
Have you already forgotten about Leighton Baines and Phil Jagielka?
58 Posted 30/06/2020 at 21:39:05
59 Posted 30/06/2020 at 21:42:46
Think you may be forgetting about one Wayne Rooney.
60 Posted 01/07/2020 at 08:50:01
61 Posted 01/07/2020 at 09:55:58
He has already proven in the World Cup that he has a big match temperament. It has been during games like losing the 2-0 lead at Newcastle – and enjoying goading their fans –that his concentration is lax and frankly immature.
Carlo will be working on this.
He has been inconsistent but I believe there is a world-class keeper there, Jordan just needs to get his head in the right place and prove it.
As has already been said, there are a lot more pressing problems to sort before we get to Pickford.
Big Nev rates him. And if the best ever does, who am I to argue?
62 Posted 01/07/2020 at 11:31:02
I suspect though that Brands may want a right-winger or right-midfielder with a bit more pace and who brings some goals to the table.
63 Posted 01/07/2020 at 23:26:57
Honestly, what is the matter with him? Have you ever seen a goalkeeper as egotistical yet stupid as Pickford?
If it wasn't for Michael Keane's quick reactions to clear off the line, then it could/would have been another draw or loss all down to cloth-ears!
He is a constant mistake waiting to happen. Please, Carlo, replace this guy.
64 Posted 03/07/2020 at 06:17:21
65 Posted 03/07/2020 at 08:08:41
He is superb in making reactive saves, although sometimes he milks it. So, on balance, he is good without being a top keeper. I also don't think he is a team player. Much of the negatives can be coached out but, to date, I have seen no sign of improvement.
I would certainly be in favour of selling but and only if we have what is considered by Carlo as an improvement. There are many out there who are as good if not better and would make a far better contribution to the team.
66 Posted 03/07/2020 at 12:25:38
67 Posted 03/07/2020 at 12:54:15
That relegated teams have crap players is an argument that's been proven wrong a fair few times. Certainly worked out for the current champions when they bought Robertson and Wijnaldum.
68 Posted 03/07/2020 at 12:59:03
It's also because the rest of the squad is weak. Aarons looks a really good fit for us in particular. The others look okay but will be expensive compared to what you can get from overseas.
69 Posted 03/07/2020 at 13:12:50
Interesting - even if it is a Liverpool fan making the compilation. Some of Pickfords howlers...
70 Posted 03/07/2020 at 13:53:38
"Selling Pickford would define Everton in a very bad way."
Not necessarily. If Ancelotti sold England's Number 1 keeper and then improved on him with his replacement, I'd say that would show a team and manager that means business.
71 Posted 03/07/2020 at 14:00:24
72 Posted 03/07/2020 at 15:08:04
The last time he kept us in a game? The last time his performance got us the three points?
It all leaves me, well, very underwhelmed. So, if Everton got good money for him and found a way to reinvest in a centre-back or midfielder, I'm asking myself "Would I be bothered?"
Not really. I think that's the point.
73 Posted 03/07/2020 at 15:23:20
74 Posted 03/07/2020 at 19:46:29
75 Posted 04/07/2020 at 00:26:50
We could use the 'Nev took time' angle with everyone, not to mention character, nevermind abilty-wise.
Going back to Martyn, let's sort this crucial position first please, Carlo!
Otherwise, wait, ruin another season or two, just in case he comes good?
Time to be ruthless, or at least a bit.
76 Posted 04/07/2020 at 18:52:25
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