Everton have reportedly had an offer of £25m for Pierre-Emile Højbjerg accepted by Southampton.
MailSport claim that the Blues have so far outbid Tottenham for the Danish international midfielder who has signalled his intention to leave St Mary's this summer.
This follows a suggestion earlier in the day that Southampton had rejected a bid from Everton of £20m rising to £25m based on appearances and a subsequent report by Metro that claims that Spurs will now match the bid from Merseyside.
Update 22 July The Liverpool Echo maintains that Pierre-Emile Hojbjerg has made it clear to Everton he wants to join Tottenham Hotspur this summer.
The Echo maintains that Everton have not lodged a £25m, although they have made it clear to Højbjerg they want him. They say Carlo Ancelotti is an admirer of the 24-year-old and asked the club to make a move for the Denmark international but Højbjerg has told the Blues, on at least two occasions, that he wishes to move to Spurs and play under Jose Mourinho.
Everton had not initially been deterred by Højbjerg's stance and had been in dialogue with Southampton over a potential deal, with player exchanges discussed as part of the negotiations. But the club insists that, contrary to reports, they have not lodged a £25m bid for the player. Everton's valuation, for a player who is into the final 12 months of his contract, was closer to £14m.
That appears to have drawn a line under any further speculation.
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1 Posted 21/07/2020 at 19:42:06
I think for that sort of money we could spend it more wisely, and possibly get a right-back as well as a midfielder.
Remembering the quotes of Le Tissier "he has never kicked on from Bayern Munich" and even their own fans reckon he was not as good as Schneiderlin.
2 Posted 21/07/2020 at 19:42:07
3 Posted 21/07/2020 at 19:48:05
Like saying "not as popular as Hitler."
4 Posted 21/07/2020 at 19:48:20
I think this is a good buy, he is 24, solid midfielder. If anyone will make him better, then Ancelloti will. I watched a few games when he played and he was very good.
5 Posted 21/07/2020 at 19:50:47
But him next to Gomes et al will be a good fit; he's a hard-working midfielder who can tackle and pass, we don't have that.
6 Posted 21/07/2020 at 19:54:17
7 Posted 21/07/2020 at 19:55:54
8 Posted 21/07/2020 at 19:56:28
9 Posted 21/07/2020 at 19:56:44
If true then he will be here because it's what Carlo wanted, I trust his eye for a player. I really think Kean is going, possibly as a makeweight for a winger so we will need to look for another striker. I am praying we can shift Besic, Delph and Sigurdsson in this window.
10 Posted 21/07/2020 at 19:57:05
11 Posted 21/07/2020 at 19:57:12
12 Posted 21/07/2020 at 19:58:51
13 Posted 21/07/2020 at 20:00:18
14 Posted 21/07/2020 at 20:05:42
We could do with a midfield player with the skill and box to box stamina of your namesake.
15 Posted 21/07/2020 at 20:08:59
16 Posted 21/07/2020 at 20:12:17
An experienced premiership and international player who hasn't really pulled up any stumps in 3 years at Southampton.
Is he better than what we have, probably.
Would a top 4 team want him. No.
Would a signing like this make Richarleson think that the club are going places, probably not.
17 Posted 21/07/2020 at 20:14:00
18 Posted 21/07/2020 at 20:16:47
19 Posted 21/07/2020 at 20:30:14
£25M feels a lot in post-Covid world, but hopefully now we can sit back a little and take our time getting the right players at the right price. Personally I'd like another centre-midfielder (and see if we can ship out Delph), but if we seal this there is no desperation there and we can focus on right-wing. COYB 🤞
20 Posted 21/07/2020 at 20:37:07
21 Posted 21/07/2020 at 20:43:38
But I'm with Steve #8, I'm only happy-happy if this is the first of two. Hope Carlo and Marcel have somebody in mind to play next to him (McKennie? McKennie? McKennie?).
22 Posted 21/07/2020 at 20:44:02
He is still young at 24 and obviously has the work ethic that we need, also there may be another new face alongside him before the new season starts.
Much better option than a player like Rodriquez for Barca etc who has no idea of the speed and physical demands of the Premier League.
23 Posted 21/07/2020 at 20:46:13
Are we being used by Southampton to rubber-stamp his fee with Spurs? Along with him showing Levy his wage demands are realistic.
Time will tell, but I hope we don't end up signing a disgruntled, semi-motivated player that preferred elsewhere. We've just got rid of one of those.
Keeping an open mind though because there is a lot of bullshit and strategic lies flying around as the silly season starts.
24 Posted 21/07/2020 at 20:47:56
Who knows?! But I do remember the fee for Jose Fonte raised a few eyebrows, especially given his age. The consensus amongst many Saints fans is that this lad never reached the potential they were hoping. Wasn't this the same as what Le Tissier said?!
25 Posted 21/07/2020 at 20:54:09
I don't see him as an upgrade from what we have. We need much better to improve, not more of the same.
A decent enough player but I'd take Ward-Prowse over him any day. A player that can pass, cross and score goals. Am I wrong in wanting that from a midfielder?
26 Posted 21/07/2020 at 20:55:36
27 Posted 21/07/2020 at 20:56:42
Been invited to another do on Sunday, so I may miss the match and the Live Forum, but from what I can see there are not many Channels covering the match DAZN Canada is, but the others are thin on the ground. Probably because all the matches are being played at the same time.
28 Posted 21/07/2020 at 20:59:52
29 Posted 21/07/2020 at 21:00:19
30 Posted 21/07/2020 at 21:02:29
31 Posted 21/07/2020 at 21:04:04
32 Posted 21/07/2020 at 21:08:12
33 Posted 21/07/2020 at 21:16:51
34 Posted 21/07/2020 at 21:17:26
35 Posted 21/07/2020 at 21:17:30
They would if they were buying them off me, I wonder if they like custard, jam or apple donuts.
36 Posted 21/07/2020 at 21:23:43
Personally I would have preferred McKennie who I think we might have got by swapping Kenny thereby saving £25M towards a goalscoring midfield player.
Having said that, didn't he play for Carlo at Bayern?
37 Posted 21/07/2020 at 21:33:20
They'd pay it.
38 Posted 21/07/2020 at 21:36:30
39 Posted 21/07/2020 at 21:36:36
40 Posted 21/07/2020 at 21:40:20
41 Posted 21/07/2020 at 21:41:17
Le Tissier hates Everton. It might have something to do with the 1984 FA Cup Semi at Highbury when we knocked out Saints with an Adrian Heath header! What a day that was!!
42 Posted 21/07/2020 at 21:43:10
"We need quality midfielders."
"Here's our solution to our midfield issues - Pierre-Emile Højbjerg! Welcome to Everton Pierre-Emile!"
Every Blue on planet earth:
43 Posted 21/07/2020 at 21:44:11
44 Posted 21/07/2020 at 21:47:47
I'll back Ancellotti, and hopefully, who is brought in to the squad this preseason will improve and boost squad morale, and will adapt quickly.
45 Posted 21/07/2020 at 21:49:03
46 Posted 21/07/2020 at 21:50:45
47 Posted 21/07/2020 at 21:54:48
48 Posted 21/07/2020 at 21:56:05
49 Posted 21/07/2020 at 22:05:18
We need more expertise from midfield as what we have seen this season just isn't good enough. Southampton have for the most part been a very good hunting ground for many other clubs, (Schneiderlin excepted).
With sick note players like Gbamin and Delph and the inconsistency of other players, we need some fresh looks for next season. Although it's been a poor season with many inept performances we can probably finish 11th and they have only lost 2 out of eight since the restart (both away to decent teams).
Okay we are still a long way off being a top side and there is a lot of debris to get shut of but I feel that Carlo can be the man to do it come the new season..
Bournemouth have to beat us on Sunday to have any chance of surviving the drop so hopefully Everton don't play as poorly as they did down on their patch.
Oddly enough, Watford, who seem destined to go down, were the first team to beat RS and yet Everton have beaten them 3 times. Football is a funny game.
50 Posted 21/07/2020 at 22:09:42
51 Posted 21/07/2020 at 22:27:26
Hojbjerg would be the De Rossi type – not in the same class... yet. Gomes would be our Pirlo type – never in the same class, but who is?
McNeil at Burnley would be my favoured Giaccherini type. Allan can play the Montolivio role. Simples.
Go get em Carlo.
52 Posted 21/07/2020 at 22:56:04
If Carlo wants Hojbjerg as his first choice midfielder, why would you celebrate the manager not getting his man? Why would you rather have his number 2 choice than his number 1? And how do you know that you won't dislike the number 2 choice more?
Let Carlo make his first proper signing and let's see how he plays before bashing him and thinking we know better than the manager.
As for Le Tissier, he adds about as much insight as Paul Merson, Charlie Nicholas or Phil Thompson. So what if they were great players, they are all thick as, and you'd never know they had top class careers as they come out with a load of crap. If Le Tissier thinks he's crap, then we should sign him.
53 Posted 21/07/2020 at 23:03:03
54 Posted 21/07/2020 at 23:11:33
55 Posted 21/07/2020 at 23:12:23
The general point on Højbjerg, I want to see a player similar to Idrissa Gueye signed. When we signed Gueye, no one thought he was going to be so good and the transfer was rather underwhelming with many comments made on here about signing a relegated player.
So, for Højbjerg, let's hope he's similarly able to ram the words down people's throats, if and when he does arrive.
56 Posted 21/07/2020 at 23:15:48
57 Posted 21/07/2020 at 23:19:41
I watched him the other week when he played at right-back; I wasn't overly impressed. I agree with other supporters – for £25M, we may be able to get someone better. If he signs, we still need another midfielder.
58 Posted 21/07/2020 at 23:21:02
Am I right that Mourinho got shut of Schneiderlin or was that Van Gaal?
59 Posted 21/07/2020 at 23:26:30
I'm not gonna pretend to know much about the lad. Never really watched him. In the last game at Southampton he was the best midfielder on the pitch when he came on, so that's something.
He appears to be hardworking, tenacious and a decent passer. that's an automatic upgrade. So hopefully he can be so.
Young and with time to improve.
And not all players need to be 'exciting' signings. Many people giggled at Liverpool signing Henderson, I seem to remember, but he's developed into a world-class No 8.
60 Posted 21/07/2020 at 23:27:16
Le Tissier is the only one of the four pundits I listen to, I wouldn't take any offense with his comments, he's bitter with Koeman and Højbjerg because he's Southampton true and true.
61 Posted 21/07/2020 at 23:27:34
62 Posted 21/07/2020 at 23:31:37
1. If we only want to sign players for who we are first choice, it's gonna severely limit us. We are a mid table team with no European football. The players do not have to be Everton fans, so long as they are good professionals and good players. If a good player would prefer a move to the likes of Napoli, Dortmund, Spurs etc but we outbid them, then that sounds fine to me.
2. There are not that many hidden gems anymore. The growth of football statistics and journalism in the last 4 years means that very few players in the top leagues have not been poured over by scouts and statisticians alike. I'd be extremely surprised if Brands (or any of the top 8 clubs) were to buy in a player for their first team that some of the stats geeks (like me and Tressell) had not heard of.
3. What's your issue with Højbjerg, Jamie Crowley?! Ha! You know he's got some of the best defensive numbers in the league? He may not be as mobile as Gueye but the guy wins the ball back for you a lot.
4. If Højbjerg is not to be then I wonder who the second choice is? Seems we want someone with lots of energy, who wins the ball back a lot and can make progressive passes. I'd really love Laimer from Leipzig who won't excite many of you but you'd grow to love him!
63 Posted 21/07/2020 at 23:31:44
Højbjerg might not be quick, but he doesn't seem slow to me. I think he'd beat all of our central midfielders in a foot race.
If Carlo rates him, Mourinho rates him and even Pep Guardiola (his manager at Bayern) rated him, then he must be decent. That's a very different mix of managers. Mourinho also requires an excellent defensive midfielder to glue his team together. He's a great judge of them.
That said, I've never seen much of what Højbjerg does to take note. In that he's usually fairly anonymous for an opposition player. But that's exactly what we need. A busy bee doing non-descript stuff to allow the others to play.
64 Posted 21/07/2020 at 23:33:17
65 Posted 21/07/2020 at 23:42:03
66 Posted 21/07/2020 at 00:07:08
Penny packet Everton.
Top 6 Clubs... £80M for him... £70M for him... £70M for him, and yes, £60M for him. That's the squad shaped up nicely.
That's the way to do it.
Or: Work on the Youth: Branthwaite, Gordon et al, and create a homegrown relentless Burnley / Sheffield Utd type role model.
67 Posted 22/07/2020 at 00:24:15
It is about time there was transparency with regards purchases, who's bright spark idea is it to buy this, slightly poorer, Schneiderlin Mk 2???
Not who we need, so typical of Everton.
68 Posted 22/07/2020 at 00:37:34
69 Posted 22/07/2020 at 00:50:32
I wrote that I watched him but they were playing him at right-back and I wasn't overly impressed, but then that was not his usual position. I think I will leave it to the professional scouts as I have only seen him a couple of times and that is no way to make a decision on his game.
70 Posted 22/07/2020 at 00:57:13
This lad might not be who many wanted, but I only hope he's the guy we desperately need.
71 Posted 22/07/2020 at 00:59:25
Why don't we go for Loftus-Cheek from Chelsea? It seems he's not getting much games? Probably in the range of £12M to £15M?
72 Posted 22/07/2020 at 01:24:03
In recent seasons, Holgate has been the best player for us in that role and more mobile than Højbjerg. Although he has also been our most consistent centre-back this season.
I would hope that another player has been identified as Højbjerg does seem to want the move to Spurs.
73 Posted 22/07/2020 at 02:01:46
2. Looks like he's going to Spurs anyway.
3. He's Danish. Denmark consistently gets voted 'Happiest country in the world'. The Danish Prime Minister was asked if Denmark really was the world's happiest country and gave the great response: 'Name me a Danish Blues guitarist'!
74 Posted 22/07/2020 at 02:48:36
You know what my litmus test is for a CDM signing?
Ya gotta be better at it than Mason Holgate.
If you want to change the pathetic direction of this lovable but oft dysfunctional club, make sure any CDM signing is better at the position than Mason Holgate.
Simple. Now fuck off to Spurs, you happy Danish dude – you wouldn't even take us from 11th to 10th in the table!
75 Posted 22/07/2020 at 03:31:30
76 Posted 22/07/2020 at 03:34:49
I've watched him a few times this season and he has some good qualities that would probably fit well in our team.
But, if the reports are honest that he wants to move to Spurs... so, as Jamie just stated: Fuck off to Spurs!
77 Posted 22/07/2020 at 04:43:31
78 Posted 22/07/2020 at 04:57:15
They were probably were going to wait till the end of the transfer window to drive his price right down due to him going into the last year of his contract. While we may be paying more now, the chance of Spurs trying to compete now drops greatly.
79 Posted 22/07/2020 at 06:46:14
He could come here, earn more, with little real pressure and his missus ensconced in a Caldy nunnery. What's not to like?
80 Posted 22/07/2020 at 07:23:04
It bodes well because it means Mr Brands is serious and determined this window to make an impact.
And ps: Le Tissier is as bitter as they come when talking about Everton; I would only take his opinion with a sack of salt.
81 Posted 22/07/2020 at 07:42:15
I fully agree. We can go back to Gabriel, Bracewell, Carsley even Gueye. None real speedsters or match-winners but all excellent at what they did and were brought in to do.
Even though personally I don't really rate him for £25M, though hope I'm proved wrong if we get him, I agree with you regarding him being the manager's choice.
82 Posted 22/07/2020 at 07:58:07
83 Posted 22/07/2020 at 08:12:29
Holgate is not a centre-midfielder! He's played one match this season out of necessity and, though he did well in a backs-against-the-wall type display, he is very much a centre-back. A good one at that. Less square pegs in round holes, please.
Why the hate for Højbjerg?! He's not flashy but did you know that he made more recoveries per game than any central defensive midfielder in the Premier League this season? More than Kante, Rice, Ndidi, Henderson.
He's not in the team to be great on the ball but, even so, he makes more progressive passes and key passes per game than Gomes or Davies. He's flexible in that he can play the box-to-box role or the defensive screener. And he's a highly competitive and determined player who's captain of his club at 24.
Plus Ancelotti, Mourinho and Guardiola all rate him. He may not have been my first choice but he'd be a very sensible, experienced addition who undoubtedly improves our midfield and offers the sort of solidity and dependability that Henderson offers Liverpool.
Who would you prefer? McKennie, for example, would cost the same but comes with less experience and a less complete defensive (and offensive) game – though he has good potential.
84 Posted 22/07/2020 at 08:16:51
We should be taking a good look at King and Wilson from Bournemouth if they drop out of the Premier League this weekend.
85 Posted 22/07/2020 at 08:21:35
86 Posted 22/07/2020 at 08:25:30
87 Posted 22/07/2020 at 08:29:54
We have had alleged interest in these two for some time now, so I have made a point in watching them whenever Bournemouth have played. Even when they weren't struggling for survival, neither looked to be the answer.
That is my opinion based on observation, and not just 'Sphincter Speak'!
88 Posted 22/07/2020 at 08:31:12
It is a bit like a father being introduced to a potential son in law.
Højbjerg is a dull signing and the price seems unduly high. But he has the attributes we need (or at least some of them) and Carlo and Jose have been in the business long enough to judge.
Sometimes what these players have doesn't come through in the stats either. Phil Neville for example. Desperately average footballer but I'd take him all day long in the current set up.
Højbjerg is young a captain and ambitious. So maybe he has that Neville je ne sais quoi.
Like everyone else, I'm not especially excited but it doesn't look like a bad signing. Might be the transfer equivalent of the Big Lebowski's rug – really tying everything together.
89 Posted 22/07/2020 at 08:38:44
90 Posted 22/07/2020 at 08:39:56
We already have players in the squad that just graft and play sideways. I would love to see Holgate given a chance in this position next season and allow Branthwaite an opportunity in central defence.
My ideal Everton team is a team full of promising under-25 players that have been scouted at a young age (what we are good at) surrounded by a spine of 3 or 4 top class players. If we keep signing 3 or 4 £20M to £35M players each off-season, we will keep watching the same type of player – Iwobi, Gomes, Kean, Walcott, Mina, Pickford, Bolasie, Klaassen, Schneiderlin, Tosun – that can't produce 2 top-level performances in a row.
Quit wasting money Everton and stop buying these slow, mediocre, injury-prone players and concentrate on finding the hidden gems. Then when we go into the transfer market, shop at the level above and buy a game-changer. Our two best transfer windows since Moshiri arrived have been the last two January windows, where we bought no-one – and then this year, just Branthwaite.
91 Posted 22/07/2020 at 08:42:33
"Michael Essien, Michael Carrick, James Milner" – now you are talking; if only.
92 Posted 22/07/2020 at 08:46:59
"In Moshiri We Trust"
93 Posted 22/07/2020 at 08:51:10
94 Posted 22/07/2020 at 09:04:03
Mind you, I wouldn't believe anything the Red Echo says either.
The Liverpool Echo (printed in Oldham now)... WTF?
95 Posted 22/07/2020 at 09:04:45
If Ancellotti is going for a defensive midfielder, then maybe he's going to change his formation? I honestly don't know enough about Højbjerg although, with Sam‘s stats, and with some big managers seemingly rating him, then he looks like a very interesting player.
I remember when money was tight, Moyes was waiting for both Scott Parker and Emre, who both ended up signing for Newcastle before he then went and signed Arteta. I think I would have preferred either of those other two at that time, but the third choice ended up being our best player, so hopefully Brands has got a long list!
96 Posted 22/07/2020 at 09:27:56
Ball, Harvey, and Kendall rightly get a lot of mentions on here and rightly so, but I reckon, Gabriel, Stevens, and Kay would have given them a run for their money.
Here's hoping he has a similar impact to Stevens – but we need another.
97 Posted 22/07/2020 at 09:36:38
98 Posted 22/07/2020 at 10:00:41
Just because someone says he's not as good as Schneiderlin doesn't mean it's true. What's their agenda? Do you honestly believe, having watched Schneiderlin pull out of tackles and put in totally anonymous performances and end up on the fringes of the team, that Hojbjerg is even worse?! Now, if you compared Schneiderlin's time at Southampton to Hojbjerg then Schneiderlin blows him out of the water but unfortunately the guy we signed was a shadow of that player.
Anyways, sounds like he's not interested in joining us so best we move on!
99 Posted 22/07/2020 at 10:10:48
Maybe because this is all a ruse to get Spurs to make a bid. Southampton want the right back they have on loan as part of the deal and Hojbjerg prefers Spurs to Everton. So I guess, if he doesn't sign today or tomorrow, he will be on his way to Spurs.
100 Posted 22/07/2020 at 10:13:27
We don't know for a fact that Højbjerg prefers Spurs – it's a rumour.
If he signs, then he's voted with his feet: he prefers Everton to all other available options. And if he arrives, then it's because Carlo wanted him.
Which, all-in-all, would make it good news. So stop whinging will you and just see what happens and back him (and Carlo) if he arrives.
101 Posted 22/07/2020 at 10:17:05
102 Posted 22/07/2020 at 10:23:46
We cannot sign anyone can we and show pictures of a signing until the Window opens up on the 27th? So, even if he has agreed personal terms etc, Everton cannot announce anything until the transfer window is open?
From what I can see now on a lot of forums is he desperately wants to go to Spurs, so I would say this is dead in the water.
103 Posted 22/07/2020 at 10:26:31
If they dont want to come to the club, we dont want them.
104 Posted 22/07/2020 at 10:28:30
105 Posted 22/07/2020 at 10:31:49
The barman says: "That'll be £25m please..."
106 Posted 22/07/2020 at 10:35:04
The same is true when a Transfer Window is about to open, there are rumours and counter rumours, and yes I'm as guilty as the rest of us for get lured to the bait.
We all want the best for Everton, and I think because of the lockdown and no Football (rightly so). Then suddenly we have to finish the season behind closed doors, mainly for the benefit of the Money Monsters that are Sky et al.
We are all eager to watch our team do well and frankly the crap that we have had served up (mostly) has highlighted that, and the need for change of personnel is patently obvious. We have a World Class Manager now, there is no question about that, but he has inherited the mismatch of a squad that has been a combination of errors from predecessors.
We can to a degree appreciate that initially they may have not been match-fit, but so must the rest of the sides, but the recent lack of effort and commitment is totally inexcusable in my eyes. It's not as if they are doing some sort of favour for us, they are all highly paid professionals (?).
Even the youngsters are probably earning a lot more than most who are considered highly paid! I am optimistic though, that these foolish acquisitions are condemned to the past, although M Brands has still got a few skeletons in his Everton closet to answer for.
107 Posted 22/07/2020 at 10:36:48
Allowing for inflation that's less than £5m in today's money.
Transfer fees and wages have gone frigging nuts!
108 Posted 22/07/2020 at 10:39:35
Yes, I know the window doesn't open till the 27 July but it hasn't stopped Chelsea agreeing terms with Werner which he will sign on the 27th.
Derek, I agree papers will make up any old stories, but this particular transfer seems to have some legs.
109 Posted 22/07/2020 at 10:41:07
For this position, we don't need spectacular, we need solid and hardworking: Carsley - Neville - Barry - Gana. These players were all much maligned when they joined, but turned out to be excellent players for us.
Another who'd be decent in this position may be Douglas Luiz from Villa.
And with Watford looking doomed - they've got a few players who are pretty decent (their fall this season mainly due to woeful management and an even worse defence). Gerry, Doucoure, and Sarr are all players who'd improve this team in an attacking sense.
110 Posted 22/07/2020 at 10:43:25
111 Posted 22/07/2020 at 10:43:36
I'm not overly excited by any of the names so far but, if Carlo can spot a player in any position, surely it's midfield where he excelled himself? And he will be calling the shots this summer, not Brands.
112 Posted 22/07/2020 at 10:48:58
The vastly warmer weather in the south east and the south coast is another key factor (Kean's agent must have shielded him from finding out about the weather when he signed).
113 Posted 22/07/2020 at 10:49:36
He looks to me like the kind of player we need and has Premier League experience. I'm all for effective signings rather than the 'marquee' ones.
If he really wants to go to Spurs, he'll end up there. Some have to get their heads around the simple truth that most non-UK players will prefer to be in London for a team that plays in Europe regularly. Unless we splash the cash, for which many will criticise.
114 Posted 22/07/2020 at 10:51:05
115 Posted 22/07/2020 at 10:56:08
Also, yes, Carlo is a big name with Silverware... but so is Mourinho.
116 Posted 22/07/2020 at 10:58:57
He's 24 - so he'll have sell-on value. His stats reflect the fact that he is a decent ball-winner, which is something we have missed hugely since Idrissa Gana Gueye departed.
The price might be a bit toppy, but - and this is the major factor for me - Højbjerg is full of running, seems to me a great competitor, and likes the physical side of the game. I can see why Ancelotti might think he would fit our bill.
117 Posted 22/07/2020 at 11:01:07
118 Posted 22/07/2020 at 11:07:26
I have always believed that a player, or Manager is never the same if he goes back to a Club, and have never advocated that, but in Gerard Deulofeu's case I would make an exception.
Gerry was basically a very talented kid when he first arrived on loan from Barca, didn't know the Premiership, wasn't willing to track back when needed. Then a mish-mash of Managerial appointments saw him come back then be sold again under Major Saboteur Koeman (I'll never forgive him).
He was considered a luxury player, but he has since learned a lot, and because of recent injury, Watford have suffered badly, he is capable of winning a match on his own virtually when fully fit.
Would have him back in a heartbeat if it was up to me, (which it's not) although I would wonder about his proneness to injury. Having said all that I don't think he would come cheap, but I believe Gerry would jump at the chance, if offered a return to the Club he considers to be his English home!
119 Posted 22/07/2020 at 11:09:41
120 Posted 22/07/2020 at 11:18:11
This may well be the chance to get in and get Odsonne Edouard if we do offload Kean.
121 Posted 22/07/2020 at 11:43:38
122 Posted 22/07/2020 at 12:22:39
Barkley has proven himself to be a good, but not great player, and Chelsea want to offload. He won't be joining any team challenging at the top should he move. Destined for the likes of Newcastle, Crystal Palace and West Ham.
Gomes on the other hand has been 4-5/10 since the restart. Slow and cumbersome, too easily beaten to the ball. And his passing has been very ineffective even when pretty. I had high hopes for the lad, but he should be looked at as a substitute from now on. Hopefully he'll improve and push the new recruits.
But Deloufeu I'd have in a heartbeat. Him on the left in place of Bernard, or on the right in place of Walcott. Quality player. Gordon and Gerry out wide, and a bid for Sarr too who looks quality and will be better still after a year in the PL now. Those 3 as wingers/wide forwards would be mint.
And Édouard in place of Kean would be a good deal. Maybe even a straight swap. Kean just might thrive in Scotland.
Whatever Ancelotti and Brands do, I just hope they do it before September, ideally in the first couple of weeks of the window. Our squad hasn't had a proper pre season in bloody ages.
123 Posted 22/07/2020 at 12:35:57
We already have players of his type,more clueless signings from our hierarchy.
124 Posted 22/07/2020 at 13:31:01
As others have said, if Carlo wants him and sees something in him, well that's good enough for me. However if it's Marcel Brand's call, I wouldn't be doing backward flips with excitement.
125 Posted 22/07/2020 at 13:45:03
Trouble is that he cost Watford around £30m so I think you'd have to end up paying a chunk over that. Possibly what we bought Richarlison for. Don't know if he's worth that much but I think getting someone in who has real express pace would be good; ideally someone who can finish too. Sarr, Diatta, Diaby, Bailey, Diaz (Porto), Lozano, Raphinha, Deulofeu etc
126 Posted 22/07/2020 at 13:46:36
As an aside, I always liked Lewis Cook of Bournemouth who seems to do a Højbjerg type job. Only 23 and a northern lad although possibly gone off the boil (I don't really know - anyone?). Interesting to see him and Brooks (from Warrington) up next against us. Should probably have bought them Leeds Utd and Sheff Utd first time around.
127 Posted 22/07/2020 at 13:47:25
128 Posted 22/07/2020 at 14:25:25
Good morning. It's morning over here, so I guess good afternoon?
I do not like this possible transfer not down to the player necessarily, as much as the approach by the Club to our transfer dealings.
I've said multiple times, and will repeat, Everton need 1-2 major impact signings that will cost 60 to 70 million. What they don't need is average players (to what can be argued as possibly above average players) for 20 to 30 million. They generally aren't good enough to affect real change.
This continual "shit 25 mil away here, crap 25 mil away there" on high wage players we can't offload is killing us. This HojPodge is turning 25 the first week of August. Assuming he'll want at least a 3 year contract, will he be worth more at 28?
We need to buy quality players around 25-27 years of age for big, big money, and leave these types of players out of the mix entirely. It's bad business.
What is very, very good business is buying young kids like Branthwaite for relative pennies. Developing Davies, Gordon, DCL, Holgate, etc as well (or buying super cheap) is superb. Everton are indeed doing that well. We need players like that, Ajax-style buy young and introduce into the squad, surrounded by 1-2 expensive studs who take us to the next level. We have one of those studs already in Richarlison. We're not far off.
The above is a Moneyball-esque / Red Sox-esque approach I put forth on another thread. "Team" ball with homegrown / inexpensive young players who have a specific role to fill inside Carlo's system, surrounded by 2-3 Richarlison quality players (or choose a name like Salah, DeBruyne, etc).
It's the way forward. Buying 25 million pound players, frittering away money unnecessarily, trying to bullshit your way to success isn't ever going to work.
And regarding Holgate at CDM. Why, why, why would a Club ever shit away 25 million precious British Pounds if they could shift a player to a position he has, and will, excel at for nothing? Zero outlay to solve a problem sounds like pretty good business!
Buying this HojPodge guy is just stupid business. Buy a 60 million central midfielder - not a 25 million splunk-dumb-money-on-a-defensive-mid. It's just stupid in my opinion. And when I say stupid, I mean like what the fuck dumb-assery on an apocalyptic scale.
Let's hope I'm wrong if this deal goes through.
HojPodge will probably become my favorite player by Christmas, who the hell knows.
But one thing I'm certain of - Everton must develop young and augment with quality, not continually purchase 25 million pound players, if they ever seek to regain glory.
129 Posted 22/07/2020 at 14:33:09
I watched Jack Graelish yesterday come into possession, and drive into open space like a missile yesterday, scaring the shit out the Arsenal back line, and drawing men to him like a magnet. He laid the ball off to his striker after sucking all and sundry to him.
In short, he thought offensively and he drove into the open space like a mad man.
That is the type of player this team needs! NOT a CDM - a position we could easily and fantastically fill by just moving Holgate there in front of Branthwaite, Keane, and/or Mina. We'd be a solid outfit with that triangle in front of Pickford.
We need a goal scoring, offensive minded, dynamic midfielder first, and foremost. That should be our very first move in the market and no expense should be spared. From there, we go look around at other needs. Without filling that massive gap in our current lineup, we'll see Crystal Palace and New Castle pass us by next season, just like we've seen Burnley, Spurs, Leicester, and Wolves buzz by us.
That's what we need. Not HojPodge.
130 Posted 22/07/2020 at 14:47:34
A few issues.
Firstly we have more than one or two gaps. We definitely need a CM. Possibly two. We then need a RW as only have Walcott at the moment, who has been a mixed bag to say the least. I'd then say we still need a pacy CB as it would be premature to rely on 18 year old Branthwaite on the back of 180 or so minutes. We also need a RB ideally as Seamus is not getting any younger and Kenny lacks the dynamism to do what a prime Seamus could do or what Digne does do. Perhaps we'll get to a place next year of only needing one or two players a summer but we're not there yet.
Secondly, how many £65m players do you think what to come to us? We have a mediocre squad sitting in 11th with no Europe next year and an increasingly competitive league around us. Who is this fantastic CM who will choose us over the many other clubs in better positions, more able to offer profile and trophies? Even your HojPoodge is unconvinced and thinks he could hold out for Spurs.
Thirdly our two best players this season were bought in that mid range; Digne cost £18m and Richarlison cost £35m.
Fourthly, how can you say that Holgate will excel at DCM off the back of 1 game when saying that HojPoj isn't good enough despite putting up some of the best defensive numbers in the league. A player like Rodwell was ruined by being moved around various positions all of which he looked ok in momentarily because of his natural athleticism. Please lets not do the same to Holgate!
I agree with your sentiment. We must develop young players and there must be a blend of experience and talent. We should not keep buying £30m players who make only marginal improvements on what we have. But Hojpoj is considerably better as a defensive midfielder than any of the midfielders we currently have. It would be a very clear improvement. As he can actually make tackles. £25m may be more than it should be to fend off Spurs and the move may lack ambition but its certainly not 'stupid'. If anything it is too sensible.
Sounds like it won't go through anyway!
PS Grealish is great. I'd love him. But he's not a CDM (nor is Holgate!) and he will more than likely have better offers than us anyway.
131 Posted 22/07/2020 at 14:59:03
We should always buy players who we believe are / could be champs league quality. Setting sights lower just perpetuates us having a team that is not as good as where we want it to be.
That means categories:
1. Once in a blue moon opportunities like Coutinho. The sorts of £60m type players who would make a difference. Not many in this category would want to join us though... Allan perhaps, albeit he'd be much less than £60m.
2. Players at big clubs who can't get a game and are on the way up. Dalot is an example.
3. Players age 19 to 24 around Europe who are on the up from clubs like Ajax, Lyon etc and stand outs like Jonathan David in Belgium and Edouard in Scotland.
4. Young lads from the lower leagues / Scotland. Like Branthwaite and McGinn.
We've spent big on average, declining Prem players for too long with no success whatsoever.
Hojbjerg doesn't really fit the bill but he happens to be available, has prem experience and is still on an upward trajectory. He's therefore overpriced. He therefore uses up more of the kitty than should be necessary for what appears to be a marginal gain.
That said I'm hoping other signings look more like what we're all after - with Hojbjerg being the boring Deschamps / Carsley type that help knits it all together.
132 Posted 22/07/2020 at 15:00:22
Kenny, Davies, Calvert-Lewin, Holgate and now Højbjerg... Greatest Championship at best team you'll find!!!
It's just a shame we can't tempt Hibbert and Osman out of retirement, and persuade Kenwright to manage the team with Unsworth as his assistant, that would have been some Championship team.
133 Posted 22/07/2020 at 15:01:30
I would leave Holgate where he is at CB, allow young good players develop in their best natural positions and excel there.
134 Posted 22/07/2020 at 15:05:59
Correct. Rome wasn't built in a day. But to compete, we need 1-2 quality signings
Secondly, how many £65m players do you think what to come to us?
One to two. It's all we currently need while our young player develop.
Thirdly our two best players this season were bought in that mid range; Digne cost £18m and Richarlison cost £35m.
Digne yes. Rich I can't agree with. He cost 40 million I thought, and at the time he was purchased it was, definably, a big buy. The market has moved north.
Fourthly, how can you say that Holgate will excel at DCM off the back of 1 game when saying that HojPoj isn't good enough despite putting up some of the best defensive numbers in the league.
Holgate is a total footballer. I have no doubt he'd excel at CDM. And it's worth a try. Your alternative is shitting away 25 million on a player that SH fans say is bang average or industrious.
PS Grealish is great. I'd love him. But he's not a CDM (nor is Holgate!) and he will more than likely have better offers than us anyway
We need a Graelish type player, not necessarily him. And try Holgate at CDM - you're fixated on him being a CB. With our current squad, we would be definably better is Mason changes positions in my opinion. Screw CDM - again it should not be a priority! An attacking, offensive minded CM should be.
135 Posted 22/07/2020 at 15:22:20
As always, a thought provoking post. I don't know if you remember Harold Mathews, The Mage of Merseyside (RIP), but your posts are becoming the "new Harold".
Not that you can ever replace Harold - there's only one.
I agree with your 1, 3 and 4. I can't agree with #2. We need to find the talent. Cast-offs not good enough to make the starting lineups in these Clubs should be purchased rarely, if ever, for me.
136 Posted 22/07/2020 at 15:27:06
The CM's we already have (that are fit) Gomes, Davies, Sigurdsson are all better with the ball than without it. Too many times since the restart (and before) have I seen oppositon teams walk through our middle like it wasn't there.
We badly, badly, badly need a ball winner.
137 Posted 22/07/2020 at 15:28:28
Just think about it, signing 10-15 players for between £20-45M, none of which have any sell on value, all of them on sky-high wages. Talk about a slow strangulation. Our only hope is the kids, or Moshiri really does hand over £300M of his own money to bail us out. They might just save our bacon. But we have to prepare ourselves, anyone good in the next five years will be sold, just to stop us sinking.
138 Posted 22/07/2020 at 15:33:34
HIs name: Nicola Vlasic ... OMG, you couldn't make it up, you just couldn't make it up!!
139 Posted 22/07/2020 at 15:34:51
We badly, badly, badly need a ball winner.
I think this is the crux of our disagreement. I'd maintain we badly, badly, badly need an offensive minded, dangerous CM much worse than we need a CDM.
I think you're trying to replace the not-replaceable Gana Gueye. I'd argue an offensive minded CM with Holgate at CDM would round us out, balance us, and be a formidable midfield. Plus, we need to frankly be more dangerous. We need another offensive threat to compliment Rich. That is, for me, the top priority.
To achieve that top priority if it means Holgate slotting in at CDM, so be it.
Mason Holgate is simply a stud. He's a fantastic footballer. I honestly feel he could play 5-6 positions and not even blink - he's that solid a player.
140 Posted 22/07/2020 at 15:38:07
If we want to end the trophy drought, if we want to go to the top six and get a result, if we want to give long suffering Blues something to cheer about then we don't need grafters and "tries his best". We need goals, and the sort of players that can create and score them.
If there's only so many resources to go around then let's go find a James Maddison type of our own.
141 Posted 22/07/2020 at 15:40:58
Another very quick point.
The way Branthwaite is playing, and the way Michael Keane is playing, why would either of them or Mason Holgate be on our bench?
Play your best 11.
I'm not a fan of square pegs in round holes. Moving Holgate to CDM isn't that, for me. Now if we were moving him to CM, LB or RB? Yes, that's a stupid move!
But CDM in a deep holding role in a 4-1-4-1 or a 4-2-3-1 isn't some massive jump. In fact, it's pretty damn easy to make that transition and can be viewed as playing as an "advanced" CB who distributes well.
Not a jump in the least for Mason.
142 Posted 22/07/2020 at 15:56:30
Otherwise, I'll press you a bit. Who are the £60m players who would join us? It's a very narrow field if you don't like cast offs...
143 Posted 22/07/2020 at 16:10:43
A quick point in general before I address your questions.
Everton right now are easy to beat. In fact, too simple. Spurs showed the football world the way to beat Everton every single time as we're currently set up:
Foul the ever-living poo out of Richarlison.
If we prioritize an attacking, worldie CM, that's two men the opposition has to worry about. Immediately you can't just hack down one dude to victory.
Who are the £60m players who would join us? It's a very narrow field if you don't like cast offs...
This is where you can call bullshit on me every time. I have NO idea. But we pay this fella named Marcel Brands a small fortune to answer that question. It's not my job to identify specific players.
Wolves' midfield is superb. I'd never heard of any of them until they were promoted. This dude at Man U, Bruno Fernandes, came out of no where and simply changed the Red Devils. There's countless other examples of diamonds in the rough. There also has to be multiple players in world football where we can indeed splash a ton of cash to obtain.
If you leave it to me to come up with names Robert, you'll always be disappointed. Conceptually I feel like I know what we need to do. I don't feel not being able to give you a name invalidates the point. There's professionals out there to find these players for Everton. Keyboard warriors need to stay in their lane - which is what I've done here by advocating for prioritizing a position Everton desperately needs, and also advocating for a player I know very, very well in Mason Holgate facilitating improving our midfield at the CDM, saving us a ton of money to put towards an attacking CM - which again must be a priority.
144 Posted 22/07/2020 at 16:11:39
Sam, you think we are crying out for the ball winner (def agree with you there!) and Jamie, you think we need someone who can bring the ball up the pitch ala Grealish?
Well here's the thing, fellas, you are both right!
There you have it. drops the mic leaves.
145 Posted 22/07/2020 at 16:29:49
146 Posted 22/07/2020 at 16:30:40
Højbjerg is a bullet we would do well to dodge. Another slow, non-scoring(in fact he has the worst shooting stats in the league) midfielder at a premium price. Has Brands written all over it. Højbjerg combined with Iwobi, Gbamin and Delph is a midfield in excess of £100M, which is quite frankly disgusting recruitment.
147 Posted 22/07/2020 at 16:31:24
They keep it simple hold position and let the opposition worry.
Mason has that little bit of extra confidence that comes from experience but they have both obviously been schooled the right way.
I agree with Jamie that Holgate could play defensive midfield but would prefer to get a more energetic midfield player in the mould of Gueye.
148 Posted 22/07/2020 at 16:31:37
149 Posted 22/07/2020 at 16:31:43
Jamie, Robert's right. Nobody worth that kind of money is going to come to us unless they're desperate to play for Carlo, either for career resurrection (like a James Rodriguez for example) or to get out of a bad situation (Lozano et al). Neither kind would stay once they had rehabbed their reputations. And as you yourself pointed out, Wolves built a midfield with then-unknowns. So did Leicester when they won the title. HojPog (I love that!) is just the kind of player they'd have signed. I don't know if he's the answer, but I think that's the price range we should be shopping, not the 65's.
Robert #133, I like your categories 2, 3 and 4.
Nicholas #140, ain't it the truth. Face-palm.
150 Posted 22/07/2020 at 16:37:01
151 Posted 22/07/2020 at 16:39:46
Jamie, Robert's right. Nobody worth that kind of money is going to come to us
Money is really weird. It has a strange effect on people.
I don't engage in prostitution, and don't take drugs. If someone offered me a couple million to snort a line off a paid-lady's belly and then do the business, I'd consider it.
Put another way, no one ever thought the rumors of Carlo coming to Everton had legs. Yet here he is.
We can get quality to come to "project Everton" under Carlo. I'd still maintain a single purchase in the 60s would be better for Everton than three 20s purchases.
More importantly forget the money altogether. Let's go out and target a CM, not a CDM, first please??
152 Posted 22/07/2020 at 16:41:56
It would be nice to have a ball-carrying midfielder though! Somebody who drove at the heart of the opposition. But wouldn't it be nice If whoever comes in is told it's not illegal to shoot if you're not a striker?
153 Posted 22/07/2020 at 16:48:40
Jamie. These are both circa £40M players. Give or take £20M, I think this is the sort of player you mean.
154 Posted 22/07/2020 at 16:57:53
I do agree we need more attacking quality but I expect that to come out wide; possibly in the shape of Sarr who would certainly add pace and more goals.
I'd love to get a top class CM in who can score goals and do what Fernandes does for United but honestly I don't see one out there (and i'm something of a player geek!). Brands will do very well to find a £65m player that is keen to come to a mid-table team.
Fact is that Davies, Gomes and Sigurdsson are already in the team for their ball playing rather than winning capacities and two of them are our top earners. I'd love someone to offer us a good fee for Siggy but untill that happens i'm not sure they'll feel able to splash huge money on a '10' type player; which is why I think our best shot of more goals and creativity will come out wide on the right where we are understocked.
155 Posted 22/07/2020 at 17:02:12
156 Posted 22/07/2020 at 17:03:34
157 Posted 22/07/2020 at 17:46:45
Without being too technical, can anyone explain how someone like Spurs can borrow £175M of UK Government Covid loans and then be allowed to buy players with it? (Don't say it's other money; it's not.)
Surely state funding and FFP isn't allowed?
158 Posted 22/07/2020 at 17:47:52
The correct business for Everton is to play players in their strongest positions. We struggle now because we don't have 2 CM good enough to play 4-4-2, we simply aren't good enough to play 4-3-3 and as we saw Monday we can only really play 4-2-3-1. We then struggle to both defend well and still create chances on the break because our wingers aren't quite good enough.
We also have the enigma of Richarlison, is he a winger who cause havoc coming inside or is he a forward in a pair with Calvert-Lewin? He has to play but in what system? Whatever, we need a good attacking CM and a defensive mid.
Højbjerg looks to be a great fit for one position so that leaves a ball playing CM and a right-winger? Is Bernard good enough? For me, definitely not top 4 or 6 material.
159 Posted 22/07/2020 at 17:53:05
I've got no legitimate answers, only theorizing and conjecture on the matter.
As always in this world though, it seems as if it's rules for thee but not for me.
160 Posted 22/07/2020 at 18:03:14
Florentino Luis of Benfica. Looks a real prospect in the middle though he's only played 700 or so minutes this season so it would be a huge step up. Possibly one for the future and he wouldn't come cheap I don't think.
Interesting that the other Benfica lad Gedson Fernandes has hardly featured since his move to Spurs. Not sure if he's injured but possibly an indication that the likes of Florentino would need time to settle in.
161 Posted 22/07/2020 at 18:11:18
Perhaps they will have to borrow another £10M off the BoE at 0.1% as they thought they were getting HojPodge for £15M. now its £25M.
Holgate better to focus on being a top-class central defender.
Midfield, an Allan type and a Bruno Fernandes type please ....We may get the Allan type [the man himself or Hojpodge] ...but getting the switched on, forward-thinking, dynamic, energy-filled, goalscoring Fernandes type may be tricky, there's got to be one or two candidates out there??
This is the game-changing player that can really make a team dangerous and wake up players around him. I wonder if Brands knows anyone available for the obligatory £25M?
162 Posted 22/07/2020 at 18:16:35
I should have said Florentino and Soumare could mature into an excellent pair.
Soumare also, like Ndombele at Spurs, could take a while to settle.
This is why, I guess, Hojbjerg comes at a premium price. He is ready now.
ps: Everyone can forget Holgate in midfield. He was fleetingly very good there but he's a centre half and that's where Carlo will play him.
163 Posted 22/07/2020 at 18:37:18
164 Posted 22/07/2020 at 18:57:13
165 Posted 22/07/2020 at 19:21:08
Even Traore. everybody knew he was as quick as lightning but had shocking end product. Nuño obviously looked at him and told Wolves he could improve him and get him performing, what's he worth now?
We also need to get Mr Mendes onside, he must be responsible for all the Portuguese players at the club and I'd take every single one. Wolves must be into him for big bucks.
166 Posted 22/07/2020 at 19:31:39
167 Posted 22/07/2020 at 20:20:36
168 Posted 22/07/2020 at 21:36:51
169 Posted 22/07/2020 at 21:46:38
170 Posted 22/07/2020 at 22:17:17
171 Posted 22/07/2020 at 22:20:36
172 Posted 22/07/2020 at 22:34:40
173 Posted 22/07/2020 at 22:35:12
This player may want to go to Spurs as Ancelotti sold him the last time he was his manager.
174 Posted 22/07/2020 at 22:37:28
Seriously! You couldn't make it up.
175 Posted 22/07/2020 at 22:45:37
176 Posted 22/07/2020 at 22:58:25
Not suggesting he is the complete answer to our midfield requirements but he would certainly add some quality depth to the team.
177 Posted 22/07/2020 at 01:19:27
178 Posted 23/07/2020 at 07:01:47
To be honest with you, I had never even considered him as an option for us, but often hankered hopes of landing Odsonne Edouard at Celtic who is a lot younger and equally prolific in front of goal.
I do feel we need someone else up front as Calvert-Lewin can't be relied on to score regularly enough, and unfortunately it hasn't seemed to have worked out for Moise Kean. Hopefully, Carlo knows who we need and who realistically we have a chance of actually getting.
179 Posted 23/07/2020 at 07:04:34
I agree with the previous comments: if he has his heart set on a Tottenham move, we should not be trying to sign him. When things get tough, such a player can become disillusioned with his move and regret it. We don't want a player like that. We want a player that is buzzing to be here and will fight for the club.
I think we are doing this to force Tottenham's hand and get a competitor for a midfielder out of the way. Any club must hate dealing with Tottenham with Levy at the helm.
180 Posted 23/07/2020 at 07:29:20
181 Posted 23/07/2020 at 07:38:10
Mind you he seems to have been around for ages and does look a lot older, must have had a long milk and paper round as a kid! :-)
182 Posted 23/07/2020 at 07:55:56
As mentioned on numerous threads, Celtic admit they need funds and Odsonne Edouard would do a real good job for us. Height, power, pace, certainly knows where the net is. Whatever we spent on him we would get back if he decided to go.
We should have snapped up McGinn when he was available we can't keep missing out on bargains just because we feel we have to buy "established" expensive stars.
183 Posted 23/07/2020 at 08:08:01
184 Posted 23/07/2020 at 08:17:20
If it's true over Højbjerg, we can't have another Sigurdsson scenario, paying way over what he is worth. Move on and find the next up-and-coming pacy goal scoring midfielder.
Big world out there... try to utilise it Marcel! Woeful strategy so far, mate.
185 Posted 23/07/2020 at 08:38:14
The journalists reporting on us all seem to have the same information, that were looking to sign three players. Gabriel Magalhaes was first choice for the pacy, left-footed centre-back role; Allan or Højbjerg are most consistently linked for the energetic central midfield role and theres only really been Lozano mentioned for the right wing, although the idea has surfaced again that were looking for a left-footer to cut inside from the right.
I wouldnt get yourselves too upset if we ‘fail to bring in anyone outside these three ‘profiles.
186 Posted 23/07/2020 at 08:43:36
187 Posted 23/07/2020 at 08:52:29
I think we could really use that as neither Richarlison or especially Calvert-Lewin are the most creative or the best necessarily at linking play. I'd suggested before that actually instead of buying a new RW we could put Richarlison there and put Edouard up front.
It was an idea rubbished by most at the time as Calvert-Lewin and Richarlison were playing so well up front but that that has ceased to be and actually our best performance since restart (of the season) came at Sheffield with Richarlison playing wide.
188 Posted 23/07/2020 at 09:06:55
189 Posted 23/07/2020 at 09:14:29
190 Posted 23/07/2020 at 09:37:27
191 Posted 23/07/2020 at 09:47:54
Yeah, I know, never works for us.
192 Posted 23/07/2020 at 09:48:41
When Borussia Dortmund are placing £150M price tags on teenagers and other clubs are putting £350M release clauses into player contracts, £25M is becoming the norm.
193 Posted 23/07/2020 at 09:50:19
Sam, I agree that Richarlison may have to move wide again, but I'd prefer to see him back on the left where it's easier to be a natural goal threat. An ideal squad would have two left ‘wingers', one who is naturally left-footed and offers true width and the other (Richarlison) who is right-footed and would attack the box and look for goals. We'd then want the same with right ‘wingers'. Ancelotti seems happy to use Walcott as the right-footer, and that leaves us looking for the left-footer. Kieran Dowell anyone?!
I'm not sure where any of this leaves Iwobi, although taking some internet journalism at face value, apparently he's been told he'll be used from the left. That, and the emergence of Gordon, suggests Richarlison will be staying in the middle.
194 Posted 23/07/2020 at 10:03:07
I suppose it's possible that Dalot might be earmarked for right-wing. He plays like Bale when he was a left-back (ie, stylish but hit and miss).
I really wouldn't be surprised to see Walcott & Iwobi fighting it out for the right-wing slot next season.
I've said before that might make sense if we're grooming a young player to take over. No obvious candidate on the books at the moment.
195 Posted 23/07/2020 at 10:12:17
Usually when they say "the Echo understands that Everton have not lodged such a bid", they are pretty sure of their facts and I don't recall them ever having to backtrack (I could be wrong).
I like the little dig about us only valuing him at £14M... although you then have to ask: Why the hell were we going after him anyway? Doh... I guess that's exactly what a lot of you did already!
So ends yet another Everton transfer saga.
196 Posted 23/07/2020 at 10:17:14
197 Posted 23/07/2020 at 10:18:38
198 Posted 23/07/2020 at 10:21:44
199 Posted 23/07/2020 at 10:36:09
200 Posted 23/07/2020 at 10:47:28
201 Posted 23/07/2020 at 10:53:38
If they have a club interested in their player they leak information to the press that another club is interested so their player gets all his demands met. Sometimes, the selling club release spurious information to journalists to raise the stakes in the player's price, so let's say Wolves have made a bid for their player they let the press know another club has bid more just to up the ante.
So take all transfer speculation with a wagon load of salt as most never happen. You only have to look at the speculation round our club: if the rumours were correct, we would be spending about £200 million on about 10 players. Brands was quoted as saying there won't be much money to spend and he believes loan deals and players on a free may make up the bulk of our transfer activity.
But again that could just be Brands putting out the message we don't have much money to spend, that might be true but again believe nothing about transfers till you see a player at Finch Farm holding up the shirt.
202 Posted 23/07/2020 at 11:43:57
Then wait as they make 4 starts all season or get injured.
203 Posted 23/07/2020 at 12:28:45
204 Posted 23/07/2020 at 12:46:30
This Højbjerg saga seemed to have slightly more gravitas than most of the almost daily trail of floated ballons we have had to suffer through so far, meriting a couple of headlines on the main site and a lot of comment posts before it died the death.
This one got a 'warm' rating on our Transfer Rumour Tracker and I was sucked in by the comments made above on that Echo story, the messenger in this case being well and truely shot by a few when it seems they may have actually got it right for once.
205 Posted 23/07/2020 at 13:32:42
206 Posted 23/07/2020 at 13:46:30
What impressed me, which I hadn't noticed before, that his goals, have been scored with either foot, seemingly with ease, and although he's not the tallest his aerial ability is amazing.
My only reservation as I mentioned before is his disciplinary record, but there is definitely a scorer in there, if someone like Carlo or Big Dunc could somehow get him to cool down, he would definitely be an asset.
I thought he was older than 23, as he has seems to have been around for ages, which again is testimony to his goal-scoring ability, he has scored goals almost at all levels consistently since the age of fifteen. If the price was right he could be a worthwhile addition.
He certainly has a humanitarian side to him too, as he has not only provided for his family, but been involved in projects and Charities to allow kids, who come from disadvantaged poor areas like he did, get access to education and sports facilities. That sort of care has to be commended and dare I say it, a rarity among most Prima Donna Footballers these days.
Rangers does have some history with Everton too, and has proved a happy hunting ground in the main as we have had some very decent players from them, maybe there is mileage in this after all!
I think both Rangers and Celtic need an injection of money, especially following the Covid-19 effects, so either Morelos or Edouard could be available if the price was right.
Although in the case of the latter, I have heard of him being a favourite of Marcelo Bielsa, who has publicly declared his admiration of him. With Leeds having been Championship champions they will no doubt be looking to strengthen and improve their chances of not only doing well, but also by staying in the Premiership.
207 Posted 23/07/2020 at 13:59:34
There's no doubt that he has ability but he can also be a liability. Imagine if he got sent off in the 5th minute of a derby game after being wound up? And, unfortunately, that would be a distinct possibility with someone like him! He's still a very decent human being though, as the link illustrates.
By the way, give yer head a wobble.😁
Yeah, let's get a Balotelli, he can be in charge of the firework display when we enter BMD!
208 Posted 23/07/2020 at 14:49:19
If memory serves I believe it was Gareth Barry's first game for us too, although I may have had a senior moment on that one.
Another similarity apart from the Rangers connection, to Steven Naismith is his charitable work for the (genuine not these drugged up morons) homeless and less privileged, where he unstintingly gave generously at home in Scotland and also in Liverpool.
He provided 2 Tickets gratis too, to every home game to those who genuinely supported Everton and couldn't afford to attend. I will always hold him in esteem for his contribution on the pitch as well as his benevolence to those less fortunate.
We also got him on a free or a very small amount and sold him to Norwich (£7M ish) for a decent profit!
209 Posted 23/07/2020 at 15:08:11
210 Posted 23/07/2020 at 15:31:29
On this basis, I'd say he's a cert to sign for us for about £30 million and be deadwood before the year is out...
211 Posted 23/07/2020 at 15:58:19
I still want our midfield revamping, would love to get the likes of Allan, Doucoure, Edouard in, but for now, I just want some positive news on the stadium.
212 Posted 23/07/2020 at 16:57:53
Saints fan were all over him last year when he was their captain and definitely one of their best players. Suddenly they seem to rate him less since he decided not to sign a new contract and move to a bigger club. I wouldn't take them too seriously, Højbjerg beats Romeu in tackles, interceptions, key passes, successful pressures; pretty much every important statistic for a central midfielder.
The £25M tag possibly is too much because of his contract so they're right to be pleased with that but maybe we went in big to fend off Spurs. Or to force them to pay more!
213 Posted 23/07/2020 at 17:32:57
214 Posted 23/07/2020 at 17:39:47
So don't know why people get their knickers in a twist.
Until the player is standing with the scarf and all that.
215 Posted 23/07/2020 at 17:51:25
216 Posted 23/07/2020 at 18:40:10
217 Posted 23/07/2020 at 19:14:13
I suspect the fee is £25M for us, but will be closer to £15-20M for Spurs. They're a club with actual business acumen and a hands-on owner. Not an actor and a guy only allowed in the country for a limited time.
218 Posted 23/07/2020 at 20:19:31
219 Posted 23/07/2020 at 20:37:21
Talk about Morelos's scoring record, against big clubs: played Celtic 11 times, scored 0. I'd prefer Brett Angell
220 Posted 23/07/2020 at 20:40:16
I expect the Echo's summary is correct.
221 Posted 23/07/2020 at 21:13:33
222 Posted 23/07/2020 at 22:16:32
Sam, Robert. What is your take on the Hoffemheim DM, Samassekou? Looks a decent player but 5'-9” is quite small, but makes up for it with his athleticism..... there again Gana and Ngolo Kante are both shorter and they were among the best in the business of ball-winning, tacking and breaking up play. May be achievable if we were interested.
223 Posted 23/07/2020 at 22:20:54
224 Posted 23/07/2020 at 22:36:44
That game always is remembered more than most as my dad passed away on the Friday night before the game.
As for Højbjerg, I'd save our time and energy, and money and focus on players, who freely would embrace playing for EFC.
That's a challenge for Marcel and Carlo.
225 Posted 23/07/2020 at 22:37:32
Sorry for being not totally correct Rob, but you and all other Tw'ers must know my heart is in the right place!
226 Posted 23/07/2020 at 22:44:13
I don't know if Bill Kenwright is still involved in club v club negotiations but, even if he is, I would be surprised if he is the one setting the financial parameters of proposed deals.
Our recent history of competing with Spurs for midfield players is both positive and negative. We paid £22M for Gomes when supposedly Spurs were prepared to pay £30M for him. Gomes made it clear he wanted to join us and of course eventually he did.
In 2016 we thought we were about to sign Moussa Sissoko only for Spurs to get him in the final hours of the transfer window for £30M.
In a situation where two clubs are competing for a signature, ultimately it is the player and his agent who have the biggest say in the outcome. Neither Gomes nor Sissoko have set the world alight since their moves.
I am not sure Højbjerg will be much different. I don't think we should be paying anything like £25M for a player who is hardly a world beater with only a year left on his contract.
227 Posted 23/07/2020 at 22:47:18
Zakaria would be ace but probably the most expensive of the lot. I will be interested to see who's next on Brands's list after Hojbjerg.
228 Posted 23/07/2020 at 23:16:56
As for Holgate, he's a centre-back not a centre-midfielder. Just because he survived a game there does not make him able to play there, week in, week out. Also, shouldn't we take the views of the lad himself into account? He unequivocally said that he's a centre-back.
If you forced him to play there, then sorry, his feet are too slow, he is ponderous in possession, his short-passing isn't good enough, he can't link play, he doesn't move well off the ball, he can't dribble, and his tackling ability is not great (in the middle of the park). He's a fantastic young centre-half mind.
As for Wolves and the Portuguese, no one came out of nowhere. You just have a blind spot to Portugal. Jorge Mendes is linked to the ownership of Wolves. They have a dirty deal there that should be called in. You cannot have an agent that close to a club.
Mendes is the one who bought the club in Portugal and got our old assistant to manage them, leaving Silva without his main lieutenant and main sounding board, and perhaps this season could have been so different if our management team had remained intact.
Ruben Neves was a very, very, very highly rated young 18-year-old. Every major club in Europe was linked with him. Then he tanked badly and Porto couldn't get what they wanted for him. Mendes then got him to drop to the Championship to revitalise his career.
Moutinho is an ex-player or Sporting. Indeed he played for them when they destroyed Everton. Joao was at Monaco and looked done when Mendes, his long term agent, got him to go to Wolves and, with the legs they have in midfield, they were able to revitalise him in a way that perhaps Clough did with Dave Mackay.
Wolves owners are richer than Moshiri. They have spent a fortune. Mendes has made a fortune.
229 Posted 23/07/2020 at 23:31:14
I agree with all of your last paragraph. That's why he is an okay centre-half not 'fantastic'. Surely a fantastic centre-half would not have all these faults even out of position?
You are spot on saying he is young.
230 Posted 23/07/2020 at 23:34:31
231 Posted 23/07/2020 at 23:38:08
Christy #219 – they are both gifted strikers - there's actually nothing between them:
Eduoard looks like he is going to Arsenal.
I like Morelos because he has got fire in his belly. Disciplinary record in 46 games: 8 yellows, 2 reds. For me, he is a risk worth taking.
As far as Højbjerg is concerned, if he really doesn't want to come here, that's game over for me.
232 Posted 23/07/2020 at 23:57:24
233 Posted 23/07/2020 at 00:18:28
Saints started last season with Mark Hughes in charge. They were an absolute tragedy to watch. Worse than Everton during the lowest points with Koeman and Silva.
The change of management and style of football improved the whole team, including Højbjerg. But for that change, he could easily have been playing Championship football and I doubt the clubs would've been queuing up to sign him.
Every Saints fan I know (and that's plenty being local) think he's a donkey and are already chuckling at the fees being suggested.
Times have been hard for us Blues especially where midfielders are concerned and I'm just not sure adding another bang average, agent-hyped £20+ million midfielder is going to help make it any better.
If we do sign him, then at least we can make use of one of the Finch Farm stables recently vacated by Schneiderlin, Niasse or Martina.
234 Posted 24/07/2020 at 05:20:48
235 Posted 24/07/2020 at 07:11:28
I've read lots of Saints accounts who rated him highly so perhaps your pals are a more bitter bunch?! Just kidding. But if Guardiola, Mourinho and Ancelloti rate him highly that has to mean something.
Either way, it looks like he's off to Spurs instead, so no need to worry. Who'd you prefer instead?
236 Posted 24/07/2020 at 07:50:08
Some trashy transfer gossip today is that Chelsea are looking to ship out Kante for more signings, now you are talking! I suspect one of the reasons why we are going for Højbjerg is because he would be able to play in 4-4-2 as well as 3 in the middle; Carlo likes to mix it up. Kante, Gueye, Sammesakou and the likes of don't have that adaptability.
237 Posted 24/07/2020 at 07:54:14
238 Posted 24/07/2020 at 08:00:37
Sorry, I completely disagree. Edouard has been a match-winner most times against Rangers. Morelos has only scored against the weaker teams in Scotland, never against Celtic, and your stats say Morelos only got 2 reds. That was this season, which finished early; the previous season, he got 5 reds. Someone earlier compared him to Suarez, that's the only comparison.
239 Posted 24/07/2020 at 08:10:27
240 Posted 24/07/2020 at 08:12:32
Meantime, I doubt Tottenham will bid as high as us. I doubt they will offer the wages we will. I think money will talk and he will come here as Southampton won't persuade him to stay and won't match our wages either. And it will ultimately be, stay at Saints for another 12 months or go to Everton now.
12 months is a long time in football. Just ask Gbamin. Højbjerg knows this.
241 Posted 24/07/2020 at 08:54:32
I'm not sure who the answer is but I think I'd prefer to see us try and scout the Championship for a player or two. I'd definitely take a punt on that Eze from QPR and maybe Swift at Reading. Neither are necessarily defensive midfielders but the sort of player I think we should be targeting.
Maybe I'm just scarred by the massive transfer failures of the last 5 years (minimum) but I just feel that, when we attempt to buy established/proven Premier League or international players we generally get it wrong. I think it's because many of these players haven't come to Everton to further their careers or make a step up. It's been all about the crazy money we're offering and the chance of one last big transfer.
However, when we have taken a player from a lower league club, they've mostly put the effort in and tried to make the grade. Some don't have the ability and, despite the effort, need moving on which is generally easier to do as they're not paid £100k a week and aren't necessarily seen as a failure.
Basically I want more like Cahill, Arteta and Gueye and less like Klaassen, Sigurdsson and Iwobi. Maybe I'm being unfair on Højbjerg but, at £25 million, It feels more like he may be more of the latter.
242 Posted 24/07/2020 at 09:34:51
I did say “if” at the beginning of my post, John.
243 Posted 24/07/2020 at 09:59:13
Before we buy a player, we should have given thought about an exit plan if the player doesn't work out with the team setup.
Our recent signings on big wages prove our strategy so far is a failure. A player on big wages happy to just sit there and collecting till the contract run down. Buying players at their peak hoping to slingshot us into Top 4 just doesn't work.
Purchasing from lower leagues, right age bracket and on reasonable wage seems the right way moving forward. While I writing this, I feel like Moyes's way isn't that bad after all. Darn...
244 Posted 24/07/2020 at 10:19:31
(No mention of the teary one...) Simples!
245 Posted 24/07/2020 at 10:37:41
Eze looks very good and will surely be playing in the Premier League next year. And Swift is very underrated I think. But neither are ball-winners and we definitely need one of those. I've had a good look at the Championship but not sure I've seen the dynamic ball-winner that we need there.
Kalvin Phillips would be good but that's out now due to Leeds Utd's promotion. Norgaard at Brentford is useful but too slow for me. Matt Grimes at Swansea is a very decent player I think. Josh Cullen at Charlton's had a good season. But none of these players seem ready to me to step straight into a Premier League team with top 6 aspirations. Jude Bellingham would have been good!
I'm not a huge fan of Højbjerg and £25M is definitely too much for someone with just a year on his contract but I think he's a very consistent ball-winner who would definitely add something we lack. I like hungry players too and the Championship could be a good source; I'd be looking at Matt Cash from Forest now they've missed the playoffs; very decent right-back who could also play right-midfield in a pinch. I think if we're looking for a cheaper player to try and step up then the man is probably Sangare from Toulouse who's only 22 and wouldn't be on big wages or huge transfer fee but is strong and quick enough and makes a load of tackles and interceptions.
246 Posted 24/07/2020 at 12:14:49
247 Posted 24/07/2020 at 12:33:00
A young ambitious Danish man is offered two job opportunities. Both a step up from where he is now. One is in London, with a company that looked like it was really going places only a year or two ago but has fallen behind a touch. Well run company though and although the new CEO is a knobhead he does know what he's doing.
The other job is in Liverpool. Similar situation but that company is a bit behind the London company. Needs new premises. Always seems to be rebuilding and not hit any great heights for years. CEO seems like a good guy though. But although its a step up and the pay is better, in some ways it doesn't feel like a massive step up.
And you are saying that we should move on if Højbjerg would prefer to play for Spurs? Of course he'd prefer to play for Spurs. These people aren't Everton fans. Pretty much anyone we're linked with would probably rather play for Spurs. Richarlison would probably rather play for Spurs (Calvert-Lewin vs Kane?). However, it doesn't mean they don't want to play for us at all. It just means we're a bit down the queue.
248 Posted 24/07/2020 at 12:59:13
Let's rewind and remove our emotion bias as Bluenoses.. Ross Barkley any parallels here. We agreed £35M – then Ross either bottled it!!! Or was given an offer of...???
"Well Ross you can't play for 3 or 4 months so say No. We [Chelsea] will come back with a lower offer, say £15M, the £20M we save we will give you xxx amount on this considerable saving..."
What I am trying to evidence is we demanded £35M for Ross yet get upset at £10M less for Højbjerg. Based on circumstances, Covid-19, and Ross being slightly more skillful, £25M seems a fair price.
249 Posted 24/07/2020 at 18:44:08
Transfermkt has Zakaria at €36M but I think that is a conservative estimate. Wouldn't surprise me if he was sold this window for €50M+. Unfortunately, the Champions League teams will be after him and he will want to go to one, unless Ancelotti is a miracle worker and somehow brings him to Everton.
When there is talk of making one major signing that will make a difference, inspire the team and take us up a level, this is one of them.
250 Posted 24/07/2020 at 20:41:19
251 Posted 24/07/2020 at 20:41:32
I feel his style, tempo and skill are perfect for us. He could play 4-4-2 or 4-3-3 and whilst I know Man City have buy-back clause, I'm not sure he'd be in the starting 11 for them.
I quite rated the last central defensive midfielder we picked up from Aston Villa and think we could pick him up for around £25M or so.
252 Posted 24/07/2020 at 20:49:52
But for me, and as much as I acknowledge that we need a ball-winner, we should go absolutely all out to sign Grealish. £40-60M would not be unrealistic given he's not an England international.
253 Posted 24/07/2020 at 22:08:54
254 Posted 25/07/2020 at 00:52:01
Then we need a top striker and possibly Ake or Mings.
255 Posted 25/07/2020 at 12:39:24
256 Posted 25/07/2020 at 12:50:56
Paying a major lump of our transfer kitty on a player of his age seems daft to me and a very short-sighted move.
I'd rather invest that into an up-and-coming player with his best years ahead of him, to be honest.
257 Posted 25/07/2020 at 13:12:58
258 Posted 25/07/2020 at 13:21:27
I've said it hundreds of times, why focus so much on age? These are super-fit players who can go on at the highest level for years. I wouldn't mind a team with the likes of Allan, Thiago Silva, Cavani, Vidal etc... They are winners and still have plenty to offer. Who gives a fuck how old they are?
Ronaldo, Messi, Totti, Maldini, Pirlo, Barry, Milner, Seedorf etc were (are) all great players well into their 30s.
259 Posted 25/07/2020 at 13:38:02
260 Posted 25/07/2020 at 14:05:14
So, you prefer cheap success stories to expensive flops? No shit, Mr Holmes.
Problem is that nobody knows whether paying £30+ million for a player is going to land you with Richarlison's goals or Klaassen's chronic ineptitude – or whether taking a risk on a player from a lower league could end up in Cahill-style returns or Jermaine Beckford*-style slim pickings.
You never know for sure who will sink and who will swim, but packing out a team with hopeful bargains is probably more likely to end in disaster than trying to strike a balance between the odd potential world-beater supplemented by the potential rough diamond.
* I actually thought Moyes could have given Beckford more opportunities to prove himself.
261 Posted 25/07/2020 at 14:25:58
So Sigurdsson is £50M down the toilet and we can't sell him because he's too old. Moise Kean would probably get us our money back.
Someone truly terrible like Sandro still gets chance after chance at clubs, because of his age and people believe he can get better. Whereas people believe Sigurdsson will only get worse.
262 Posted 25/07/2020 at 14:36:24
That said, what is Allan's injury record?
263 Posted 25/07/2020 at 14:42:27
264 Posted 25/07/2020 at 14:51:00
Age, imo, has little to do with injuries. Weak bodies and minds are a factor. Mina is young and breaks down every 10 seconds. Sturridge refused to play for the rs due to some unknown ailment. Michael Owen was a permanent sick note once he reached 20. Iwobi is weak, and a coward, and will probably have a short career in the game. I could go on.
If a player is good, no matter how old he is, clubs will buy them, especially in Europe where age seems to matter less than here. Give me a team of battle-hardened vets over a bunch of weak, spineless, hair-ribboned dandy's any day.
To end this monologue, if Carlo wants a trusted lieutenant in his golden years then Carlo should be able to go out and get him.
265 Posted 25/07/2020 at 15:20:20
Javier Zanetti, the inter Milan legend, never missed a game for about 10 seasons and played until injury claimed him at 39 and his career was over.
On the other hand, you get 29-year-olds who never have an injury and suddenly it hits and they are done.
If Carlo really wants Allan, it's within the budget and plan, and he's thought it through, then sure, we should get him. I wouldn't disagree with him walking if we refused.
My biggest reservation is that we repeat previous transfer windows and bring in a couple of decent players but leave a gaping hole. Such as our failure to sign a striker under Koeman, and last summer our failure to sign a centre-half.
Allan is not the defensive midfielder we need. If we get him and such a player, then great. Otherwise, we're going to have another erratic season and be praying for Gbamin to become Lazarus.
Colin, it seems like Allan has been injured 4/5 times this season. He's not started back-to-back games since January. Warning signs are there, I'm afraid.
266 Posted 25/07/2020 at 15:30:02
As for the age of the player, the whole picture is the way to go. Players generally who are injury prone, miss games from an early age. It's a body and mindset thing. Some players need to feel absolutely tip-top to play, take Louis Saha. He could have been top top draw but for his mindset.
Richarlison gets kicked and probably is bruised and battered, but it rarely stops him taking the field.
It's up to the club to find that type of player, the more durable. For example, at centre-back you cannot have a player who breaks down regularly, they are the last player you want to sub in a game, it's a waste of resources. Mina has a lot to prove next season, he's on a ton of money so hard to move. Yet, if we get a decent centre-back in, he won't be playing.
Feels like an interesting 6 weeks.
267 Posted 25/07/2020 at 15:35:18
Also, the players themselves will find they get a pay rise to come to the Premier League. I think the price of £35M for Allan, who is a very expensive player sat on Napoli's bench, is laughable. We could get him for £15M or less.
268 Posted 25/07/2020 at 15:43:40
Sam #245, I wouldn't restrict myself to looking for just ballwinning midfielders in the Championship. We need attackers just as much. If Brentford doesn't get promoted, I'd be in for Said Benrahma like a shot. And big yes to Matt Cash -- ferocious tackler who can get forward from RB -- and Eberechi Eze. I've heard good things about Swift at Reading but haven't seen him. Pereira is amazing but undoubtedly headed back to Lisbon.
Tony #262, Allan's injury record is exceptionally good. He has made about 380 top-level appearances over 10 years with zero serious injuries, and has missed only 16 games in his career. The only slight concern would be that 10 of those 16 misses have happened this season, with various niggles including a sore knee, "muscle fatigue" and a bruised rib. He turns 30 in January.
Ash #251, I like Luiz very much indeed.
269 Posted 25/07/2020 at 15:45:13
The overall picture is gloomy in European football save for Germany were the ownership style differs. I think we might, if we are smart, make some decent inroads into our squad. Let's hope so.
270 Posted 25/07/2020 at 15:47:22
271 Posted 25/07/2020 at 15:49:08
272 Posted 25/07/2020 at 15:54:37
Things have changed a little in France with more investment. Perhaps France will see this as an opportunity to push themselves up the food chain.
France has always been a strange one to me, they've a similar economy, a similar population, and they're so close, but, whilst they love football like we do, they've just never put their money into it.
Sure the Qataris took over PSG, but PSG are just Chelsea, a team with little history of trophies pumped up with investment.
273 Posted 25/07/2020 at 15:59:17
Holgate's emergence, Mina's fine play last fall and Keane's remarkable resurrection since play resumed are clear evidence in my opinion that we did not need Zouma or another centre-back then. And certainly not now.
Also, we did get one in January. Fella named Branthwaite. Think he'd have gotten his shot with Zouma around? Any regrets how things worked out?
274 Posted 25/07/2020 at 16:07:03
So yes, for me we still need a centre-half or we'll have to endure more dreadful football because we need to sit deep covering up Keane's flaws.
275 Posted 25/07/2020 at 16:10:20
As for centre-back regrets, you're welcome to them, but none of the centre-backs we were rumored to be connected with last summer would have made us one iota better, or made any difference this season. We have far greater needs and, after watching him this season, I am particularly delighted we didn't spend our money on bringing Zouma back.
276 Posted 25/07/2020 at 16:15:53
But you're right, Carlo knows him, and if he wants him, we should get him. As I said above. I just have reservations and think we need to secure a defensive midfielder first and foremost and then we can look into additional central midfielders.
277 Posted 25/07/2020 at 16:54:17
“Germany and France will probably be stronger. Both have stronger economies than Spain and Italy, and arguably even ourselves”
Very bizarre logic. The Bundesliga restarted earlier than every other country because there were genuine fears that many, many clubs in the top two divisions would go bust without meeting contractual obligations with TV companies to finish the league season before 30th June.
The top three clubs basically bailed out the 33 clubs below them. You have clubs like Schalke without a pot to piss in. Other big city clubs like Köln have a gaping hole in their revenue streams because they could not physically get bums on seats. Many clubs have politely asked for handouts from fans by offering them the option to forego a refund on tickets for “ghost games” (no fans) so that money can be invested in youth development.
If ever there was a summer that German clubs' talent could be picked off, this is it. None of them are coming out of Covid-19 in a better financial position than English clubs either in relative or absolute terms.
278 Posted 25/07/2020 at 17:08:10
Che Adams at Southampton is a similar case, although he's spent much of this season waiting for it to come right for him. Again, it's so hard to know who from the Championship might be worth risking £20 million on – because that is what it will cost for Eze or Benrahma.
I remember when Helder Costa was ripping it up for Wolves in the Championship, and was linked to all and sundry, and he just hasn't properly ever kicked on since then.
As for older players and injuries, like everything else, you can get unlucky or the opposite. I'll bet Villarreal are pretty happy they took the risk on the horribly unfortunate Santi Cazorla. What a player, even after missing almost two whole years of football, and losing huge mobility in his ankle.
279 Posted 25/07/2020 at 17:42:12
On another subject, Carlo has told ESPN Brazil that we need to copy the RS model to succeed:
280 Posted 25/07/2020 at 18:03:40
Carlo Ancelloti needs backing with who he wants; he wants Allan as his first signing and his trusted man in the central position. We've got to trust his instincts, that's why he has been appointed.
We have a good few relatively young players establishing themselves: Holgate, Gordon, Calvert-Lewin, Richarlison, Kenny may come back, Davies, Branthwaite, even Kean may come back from a loan spell fired up.
So having a wise old head in there for the next 3 years in Allan could be very good for the younger lads, the team's stability and progress.
It's about getting a balance in the side that works. Allan could well be a big part of that. In light of Gbamin's bad luck or fragility, we probably need a back up to as well.
I would be interested to know if it was possible, whether we would like to sign both Højbjerg as well as Allan or is it a case of one or the other?
281 Posted 25/07/2020 at 18:28:16
He also chips in with goals. I definitely think that right-back is a position that needs improving. Sidibé is not the answer for me.
282 Posted 25/07/2020 at 18:29:53
I guess it implements Carlo's way of playing immediately. Plus Gbamin and Davies can learn the Carlo way while watching Allan in training and match day, as there's only so much you can learn from video.
I think Carlo is going for Champions League and a cup next season, so will need all midfielders in the number of possible games we'll be playing. Allan will need resting on occasion, so up to Davies and Gbamin to learn quickly.
If Davies and Gbamin can learn some of Allan's game, then that value of Allan today transfers to them in transfer market value, so yeah... why not?
283 Posted 25/07/2020 at 18:48:39
Brands has history and a relationship with Lozano, both him and Allan under fire there. I think it would be an amazing show of intent.
Steve Ferns, you have however planted a seed of doubt in my mind about Allan's fitness, maybe Napoli know something we don't? I love and hate the transfer window in equal measure, the not knowing kills me sometimes.
284 Posted 25/07/2020 at 18:48:58
I don't think the pandemic is going to cause Spain and Italy to fall behind France and Germany in economic terms, it's already been happening for decades and the pandemic is only going to accelerate what's been happening. Which applied to the football economies, how's it possible to sustain their positions and football economies over the longer term?
Sure Barcelona and Real Madrid will help Spain and La Liga attract outside investment, but the rest of the league is struggling and has been for some time and it's only going to get worse now.
Serie A got some outside investment but that's only stretched them financially and a load of their clubs will be having fire sales this summer, particularly Napoli.
285 Posted 25/07/2020 at 18:50:59
286 Posted 25/07/2020 at 18:55:39
287 Posted 25/07/2020 at 19:01:29
What I can't see is Everton putting a bid in, us offering terms he will accept, and then the player deciding to do a “Barkley” and wait 6 months or 12 months until Spurs and Saints agree a price.
Either Spurs match our supposed “bid” or they miss out. The lad might prefer Spurs, but he ain't a fan and he won't risk cutting his nose off to spite his face.
288 Posted 25/07/2020 at 19:07:35
289 Posted 25/07/2020 at 19:11:04
Football is not macro-economics. If it was, it would have ceased to be, years ago.
Unless I missed it, the top three clubs in Ligue 1, Serie A or La Liga did not have to bail out the rest of the top two divisions. In Germany, they very much did.
290 Posted 25/07/2020 at 19:15:09
I can see him arriving for £15-20M plus bonuses which would be a pretty good deal if he can stay fit.
But he's not a Barry or a Pirlo. Those are players who rely on their football minds, their technique and their decision-making. Allan is a more athletic player whose effectiveness derives in part from the bursts of speed he has and his agility and stamina around the middle of the park.
The physical attributes will diminish far quicker in your 30s than the mental ones. Allan has been one of the most consistent midfielders in Serie A over the last 8 years (he was especially excellent in his last season at Udinese) and he's a pretty complete midfielder, able to pass and tackle; something we lack.
However, Steve Ferns is right to point out his injury concerns this season. Buying any almost 30-year-old is a risk and the last thing we need is another (more expensive) Delph.
291 Posted 25/07/2020 at 19:25:18
Italy on the other hand, with mass unemployment, mass poverty caused by coronavirus and a plunging economy could easily see Serie A go bust, lock, stock and barrel. That country is in a mess, make no mistake about it. Spain is not much better off.
292 Posted 25/07/2020 at 19:32:37
He needs to play in a 3. Under Sarri, he had Marik Hamsik alongside him and either Jorginho or Diawarra behind him. He also had the luxury of Kostas and Koubali at the back, two of the fastest centre-halves around, so Sarri played a ridiculously high line.
He's basically going to be an upgrade on Davies. Someone to make us tick and drive us forwards. There's nothing he does exceptionally well and he's not going to floor you with any fears of skill. If combined with the right defensive midfielder and a faster centre-back, he'd be a key part of a major transformation of the side.
293 Posted 25/07/2020 at 20:22:47
There are quite a lot of options out there, who should it be?
294 Posted 25/07/2020 at 20:51:28
295 Posted 25/07/2020 at 21:30:39
He's an aging, arrogant, grumpy, negative dick.
If a player can't see it would be better to play for Ancelotti over that fella, said player can just piss off.
And Joe McMahon all the way back at 190 -
Morelos is an absolute no-no, he would get red and yellow cards and possibly miss more games due to suspension than Duncan Ferguson did. He is so hot-headed he makes Roy Keane's temperament look like a pussycat.
That's sold me. I want Morelos. Never seen him play a single second. But my Lord this team needs passion, a Keane-type player, and a rocket shot straight up their ass! Bring him in. I hope he pours gas around the perimeter of Goodison and lights the fucker on fire to get our boys moving and playing with some degree of emotion!
296 Posted 25/07/2020 at 22:01:16
Im not misrepresenting anything. Bayern, Dortmund and Leipzig “donated” €20m to keep the rest of Bundesliga 1 and 2 afloat. The league wanted (read: needed) the league restarted in time to finish before June 30th. If they didnt, they ran the risk of failing to meet contractual obligations with TV companies who could therefore opt out of payments. This would have jeopardised the very existence of 31 out of those 34 clubs. Im well aware of COVID numbers in Germany, thanks.
How do I know all this? I live there.
297 Posted 25/07/2020 at 22:07:20
298 Posted 25/07/2020 at 22:36:40
He's not a long ball distributor like Gomes but carries the ball well and can pass the ball pretty well. He's got more goals and assists than Gomes over the last few years though admittedly in a better team.
If he could play like he did previously under Ancelloti and at Napoli then he'd be our best midfielder and I think he'd do well in a midfield 2 either with a more defensive partner or a more creative one. He offers that balance.
The question would be whether he could replicate the form of 2018-19 and before? And when might his physical decline kick in and affect his game?
299 Posted 25/07/2020 at 22:49:15
300 Posted 25/07/2020 at 23:24:47
De Roon is a bit older now but he was brilliant when they destroyed us. Barrios is 26 and surely fed up of Russia and very obtainable. We were linked to him before he went there. I think he could be the tough tackling midfielder we need.
301 Posted 26/07/2020 at 00:25:11
302 Posted 26/07/2020 at 03:54:35
He's not an inspirational "hard man" who would bring passion to Goodison. He's an off-the-ball cheap shot artist who would bring embarrassment.
I'm a hockey guy like you, but this guy ain't hockey.
303 Posted 26/07/2020 at 12:33:29
I think Forest will want £10-15M for him. The rumours in Nottingham are that Sean Dyche has had him scouted and will try to get him for Burnley, and Dyche knows what it takes to be a good defender.
At 22 years old, he definitely warrants a close look from our scouting team, we need to be more thorough assessing Championship talent. The lad has a few goals in him too.
Matty Cash and Max Aarons need serious consideration, and could solve our right-back position out long-term – that's if Carlo is overlooking Kenny.
304 Posted 26/07/2020 at 13:32:35
305 Posted 26/07/2020 at 13:56:06
Thats me unsold.
306 Posted 26/07/2020 at 20:08:58
307 Posted 31/07/2020 at 07:55:03
So, irrespective of whether or not he prefers Spurs over us, do Spurs prefer him? Or is Levy trying to adopt his usual "candle auction" tactics?
308 Posted 04/08/2020 at 19:02:37
How many people on this thread saying he's not good enough for us will be moaning we should have tried harder to sign him when he does well at Spurs, I wonder?!
309 Posted 10/08/2020 at 12:46:27
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