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1 Posted 14/11/2019 at 07:33:37
The infamous Leeds game showed the essence of that horrible team. It continued for years and Clough was right to damn them. Giles, in particular, was one of the most sly and dirtiest players.
Very much look forward to reading the book.
2 Posted 14/11/2019 at 09:24:30
3 Posted 14/11/2019 at 09:33:41
4 Posted 14/11/2019 at 09:38:20
The atmosphere at the Leeds game was pretty special for an 8 year old, educational as well, as my vocabulary was increased quite extensively.
Its always great to hear from Dr and Lady France, and it gives me the opportunity to publicly thank them for a recent act of kindness from them. I wont go into the detail, suffice to say that it came completely out of the blue, was the sort of thing where they would have ticked the “no publicity” box, but was very much appreciated. Very best wishes to them both.
5 Posted 14/11/2019 at 09:45:47
To be honest I can't really recall it being that different from a few other games around that time.
Obviously it's a generational thing but as intimated by David, the tackling and lack of cheating, rolling around and moaning to the ref, compared to todays nonsense is something I miss.
Don't know how many posts we had on Son's tackle but if we had the early sixties teams playing today the internet would explode
6 Posted 14/11/2019 at 11:18:28
I can only dimly remember the times discussed but I still hate Leeds; I'll forget but I won't forgive
7 Posted 14/11/2019 at 12:52:23
8 Posted 14/11/2019 at 13:42:54
My thanks to David France for another act of kindness, also out of the blue, I think Peter Mills put a word in for me.it wasvery much appreciated and I hope David and Elizabeth received my thank you letter, the gift I received has been passed around to many delighted Evertonians and is still in the process of being watched, I hope to get it back someday.
So thanks again David and Elizabeth, the best of health to both of you, ps I did ask Elizabeth when her next post to ToffeeWeb was coming, always a welcome and very knowledgable read, hope it is soon.
9 Posted 14/11/2019 at 14:52:06
10 Posted 14/11/2019 at 15:53:09
Roy Vernon was my favourite player despite the adulation that Alex Young and Alan Ball received.
To me he had the dribbling skills and scoring ability of the great George Best (A player I consider to be the best I have ever seen).
A very heartfull thanks to the Frances and Rob Sawyer and your good self for putting all these fine memories into eloquent words.
And Leeds will always be "Dirty Leeds" its in their DNA. LOL
11 Posted 14/11/2019 at 16:05:51
I lived in West Derby when Roy Vernon had just signed and I and several mates used to stand on the wall at Walkers playing field which overlooked Bellfield on the other side of Sandfield Park and watch the players training. I always got the impression that Roy Vernon was a bit of a rebel as all the players had blue tracksuits and he wore a black one. Hell of a player and like others have said he was one of the all time greats.
Oh for a Roy Vernon and Bobby Collins in today's set up eh?
12 Posted 14/11/2019 at 16:57:30
For example, until this article, I knew virtually nothing of the Battle of Goodison -- what a great story. It would be entirely too American of me to ask who actually won the game, and I don't believe it was mentioned in David's autobiography Everton Crazy, so I will look it up online.
13 Posted 14/11/2019 at 17:03:13
Giles was the worst of the lot as he was sly but the manager, Revie, was a sleezebag who was later accused, by Bob Stokoe, of offering him money to throw Leeds' game against his Bury side.
Vernon was up there with the very best and certainly ahead of Sharp. He took a great penaly, too, and who will ever forget him feigning the kick and sending the Man Utd 'keeper Gaskell diving to stop a non existant shot, in the Charity Shield?
Just a point (excuse the pun) on the 'Spurs game when darts were thrown at their goalie, Brown. I seem to remember this was at the Park End and not Gwladys Street.
14 Posted 14/11/2019 at 17:33:49
15 Posted 14/11/2019 at 18:41:50
16 Posted 14/11/2019 at 18:56:54
A great captain. Im glad he is now being remembered.
17 Posted 14/11/2019 at 19:01:03
18 Posted 14/11/2019 at 19:21:51
Fantastic article Lyndon, thank you very much. I only ever heard great things about Roy Vernon from my now since passed Father in law. Apparently him and Tony Kay were on a different level to almost all of their peers.
I say almost because of what I also heard about The Golden Vision.
19 Posted 14/11/2019 at 19:45:09
Here are a couple of other You Tube links of better quality showing Roy at his finest.
20 Posted 14/11/2019 at 21:52:36
21 Posted 14/11/2019 at 22:01:25
22 Posted 14/11/2019 at 22:19:40
Happy Days for those of us old enough to have seen that side between 1959 and 1963.
23 Posted 14/11/2019 at 22:20:46
My dad always said Giles, Hunter, Charlton and Leeds were the dirty . hed seen.
Fantastic heritage and these articles are fantastic.
24 Posted 14/11/2019 at 22:22:03
Personal top 5. Your first heroes are the best.
25 Posted 14/11/2019 at 22:26:22
26 Posted 14/11/2019 at 22:33:02
Keep talking. Some of us enjoy the stroll down Memory Lane others share.
And that Leeds game Dr. France speaks of?
It might be my first stop when the time machine is invented.
And I have to second Lyndon's assessment of Everton Crazy being "fascinating" and I'd add one hell of a good read. I've been cracking through it over the past few weeks, and it's a marvelous book. I highly suggest it.
27 Posted 14/11/2019 at 22:47:37
We all want to see that style and swagger back for those who havent yet seen it live.
Now I will shut up.
28 Posted 14/11/2019 at 00:01:06
Although Im not happy. Everton Crazy is on ebay for £595. I gave mine away after l read it. Anyone need any business advice let me know...
29 Posted 15/11/2019 at 06:14:40
One of the last times I met them, I said to David,” You bastard ”. He just laughed because he knew exactly what I was referring to. “ Its like an obsession, isnt it? “ he replied.
It was, is, and always will be an obsession. A pleasant one, though.
30 Posted 15/11/2019 at 08:30:23
I, and thousands like me were both blessed and spoilt by the experience. Blessed to see it and revel in it but spoilt by the fact that somehow nothing that came later, no matter how good, could quite compare.
Wouldnt have missed it though.
31 Posted 15/11/2019 at 09:14:36
Chatting to Grahame Sharp and Ian Snodin one night in The Post Office pub, just off Hanover Street they asked me who was my favourite Everton team, trying hard to nudge me towards Howards, and of course, their squad. Without having to think, I said the 1963 squad, they had a little go, again, about their team, I told them it was a privilege to watch all Evertons title winning teams, but they and anyone could talk all night about the best squad, but I wouldnt ever alter my opinion of that fabulous 1963 one.
However I did concede to them that Howard and that team, gave us our pride back in their period of success, when we walked, and they fought, with our heads held high against any team we played, especially when we played at Anfield.
32 Posted 15/11/2019 at 09:23:52
It helped to be young too!
33 Posted 15/11/2019 at 10:21:35
I started watching in 1963 so cant comment on the 59-63 squad. I saw Roy a few times and he was like a rapier- Ian Rush springs to my mind. I too took great delight at driving past signs to his birthplace when mum and dad took us to Frith beach in the summer. His love affair with figgy swashbuckled legendary but I didnt realise he was so good as to be a contender for a top five of all time ranking. Likewise Kay who I didnt see. Ball will always be my number 1 but by the sound of it Roy would be a strong contender for one of the strikers.
I will certainly buy the book though I have not started David Frances last one yet or the Tommy Graveson biography. Any new ones coming out for Christmas?
34 Posted 15/11/2019 at 10:36:47
Money cant Buy Us Love, I think its called. All about Everton and John Moores. The Mersey Millionaires.
By Gavin Buckland. Currently reduced on Amazon
Its on my Christmas list
35 Posted 15/11/2019 at 10:39:41
36 Posted 15/11/2019 at 10:41:15
37 Posted 15/11/2019 at 11:02:28
Watching the first Derby of the current era I noticed how, when we were awarded a penalty, after having two goals disallowed, the RS players surrounded the referee to intimidate him. Nothing changes. I think that it was Shankly who got his team to contest every decision, or have I imagined reading that in the distant past.
Youtube is a wonderful tool for wallowing in nostalgia, or for letting our newer recruits, especially our Stateside friends, see what all the fuss is about. Or just checking stuff out. Great to use.
Vernon was a fantastic player, dovetailed perfectly with Young, and was no stranger to the hard tackle, making or receiving. In the Youtube matches (above) Bingham gets some very rough treatment from Sheffield Wednesday, but gets up, limping, retrieves the ball and gets on with it. As they all did, so refreshing to see. No sliding on the knees to the corner flag, where they know there'll be a camera, no feigning injury, in fact none of the piss poor antics that have Royally ruined football for many people. Living in the past? Maybe, but how much better it was !!
38 Posted 15/11/2019 at 11:25:57
39 Posted 15/11/2019 at 13:15:15
Ha, that Leeds game. I was on the vast Goodison road terrace positioned just above the dugouts. Got a good view of Sandy's less than smiling visage as he made his way off. Pulling up his long blue sleeves as if getting ready to bash the living daylights out of any dirty Leeds vermin that barred his way to the tunnel.
The tackle by Willie Bell on Shirley had to be seen to be believed. It reminded me of one of Johnny Cougars moves in his role as an Indian wrestling hero in one of the comics I used to buy back then. Flying through the air to drop kick his opponent and send them flying too.
I would award Bell, another under the radar Leeds filth, the dishonour of my personal foul of a lifetime award.
Reminiscing like this has me thinking back to other violent attacks on our heroes in blue. There was Dave McKay on, I think, Jimmy Husband in a league cup tie against Derby County in 1969. The tough as nails Scotsman's left leg was perpendicular to Husbands head pointing straight at the moon in the night sky.
Then there was Larry Lloyd in the semi final of the FA Cup at Old Trafford in 1971. Think he took out Joe Royle. It was an attack that you could get jail time for in the modern game.
Leads me on to the last to mention here, though it could be a never ending thread with all the memories stored within the blue psyche of us all.
That tackle, was the career halting assault on Adrian Heath in our glorious re-ascendancy season of 84-85. Brian Marwood, thug, I think I am still capable of nutting him on sight if he ever had the misfortune of crossing my path in 2019!
40 Posted 15/11/2019 at 13:46:37
Barry didnt play many games for The Blues, he was later killed in a tragic car accident at a very young age.
41 Posted 15/11/2019 at 14:10:55
Are you telling me Everton Crazy is on eBay and is sold for like $765 or so? What?! Jesus, Joseph and Mary – that's a hellava lot of money for a book. I had no idea!
42 Posted 15/11/2019 at 14:15:56
Either way, it's a shame to die so young.
Fancy being thrown into that particular game. Catterick must have had confidence in him.
43 Posted 15/11/2019 at 14:31:18
I guess in today's game, both teams would have been lucky to end up with 3 a-side. Certainly the players today are better protected which is right, but it just highlights in particular how good the forwards were in those days. For me, Jimmy Greaves was the best finisher I ever saw when you think the stick he and other forwards took every week, how they stayed injury free for so long was a mystery.
Now, players are falling over if someone breathes on them; how the game has changed, and not always in my opinion for the better.
44 Posted 15/11/2019 at 14:37:17
Crazy indeed. All the other Everton books are pennies but l guess this was a short run.
45 Posted 15/11/2019 at 15:57:01
What a chance to see extended footage of our "greats". West (even if he lets in a soft one); Wright; Wilson; Labone: Hurst; Kendall; Ball; Harvey; Young; Royle; Morrissey - yes, they were all "great". And this game saw what I still hold as my favourite Everton goal - Young's 3rd. What a beautiful example of why we elevated this player to a God-like stature. Control, balance, skill, finishing, in the space of 10 seconds he did it all.
And look at the players in their team that day. Crerand, Law, Charlton and, of course, George Best. In retrospect we were spoiled seeing so many top players on one pitch in their prime. I still prefer the '59-'63 sides but this one runs them a close second in my book. Ah! Nostalgia! We were so much better on black and white TV.
You Tube for me is a two-edged sword. I love to see the old clips but once I start I find it difficult to stop!
46 Posted 15/11/2019 at 16:10:30
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48 Posted 15/11/2019 at 18:27:15
The things, these supporters would shout at the opposition, hilarious, one goalkeeper versus Huddersfield, could have been Sheffield Wed. was a bag of nerves already, getting battered by Davie Hickson, who scored four or five that day, was getting ridiculed unmercifully by these wags, when the ball went to the other end, he moved out to the penalty spot, to get away from them, not before he gave us all two fingers and a mouthful of Anglo Saxon words, then he got loads more when Everton attacked again, brilliant days Terry, I think I learned plenty of words I shouldnt have at those games. Ive said enough for tonight, Ill save one unbelievable story, Everton Res. v Bolton Wand. Res. for another day.
49 Posted 15/11/2019 at 18:53:11
My only real reserve story, apart from following on Dave's post (#48) to say that at those games you could hear every word people shouted on and off the pitch, is that I was one of those in attendance the day Roy Vernon missed a penalty in a loss against Burnley. I don't know if this is going to be covered in Rob Sawyer's book. Vernon, Young, and West, all playing, were jeered off the field! Probably 1964. Young and West made it back into the first team. Vernon made his way to Stoke.
50 Posted 15/11/2019 at 19:09:37
I used to go to reserve team matches (also to Anfield on occasions with my best mate Barry when were kids. Hes still my best mate) and I remember going to one game when there were a load of first teamers playing. It might even have been the one you mention. There must have been about 15000 there.
One week we were sitting in the main stand for some reason.(very cheap)Everton were playing away and at full time they used to put Evertons final score up against the wall where all those letters were for the half time scores. We were sitting there waiting for ages. Nothing. After about 30 mins after the match finished, a bloke came up the stairs and we told him we were waiting for the final score. He said its there, look.
There it was X 4. It was 1958 and were were playing Spurs away. Yup, youve guessed it.
That Spurs game. Highway Patrol!
51 Posted 15/11/2019 at 19:33:53
52 Posted 15/11/2019 at 19:58:23
I remember thinking. I dont believe him. Hes pulling my leg. Then he said its true son, honest. My next thought was, Shit, school on Monday.
Sure enough, more Broderick Crawford jokes than you could imagine. Even off the teachers.
‘Leave your blood in the bank,not on the road!
My Dad was sitting at home shaking his head.
53 Posted 15/11/2019 at 21:06:13
That was the day my loathing of them really kicked in.
54 Posted 15/11/2019 at 21:49:20
Peter (#53), I was actually at the 5-0 game on the Kop of all places (don't ask me why, I can't remember). It was the year after we beat them 4-0, a game I missed because of school rugby commitment. Revenge, indeed.
55 Posted 15/11/2019 at 21:58:48
I know we've said this before on here but I look at the 1971 semi-final as the turning point, the death of our Sixties glory - and the death, really, of something profound about our club. But we await the resurrection.
56 Posted 16/11/2019 at 09:25:02
I was at that 5-0 trouncing at Anfield, also in the kop, if Im not mistaken in those days it was walk up and pay at the gate, so there would be a liberal sprinkling of Bluenoses in all parts of the ground, witness the 2-1 win at Anfield when Kanchelcis (spelling?) scored two, you can see many an Evertonian cheering at the Kop end, even one of the stewards. I think the half time score was 1-0 in the 5-0 game and possibly we lost a player before the interval, then again my memory is out here and Im just making excuses for a bad day.
57 Posted 16/11/2019 at 12:41:48
to know Roy in the London teams and coming back
on the trains and the Hotels where the Blues stayed.
In 1962, I was sixteen and Roy went to push the pennies
down for charity in the local pub. My mother was a
barmaid, I was allowed in to see my idol. My mother
said to Roy "he"s a good blue", Roy said " I know him
he follows us".
After a Fulham game at Craven Cottage, my mate and
I, were standing at the bus stop but it was getting
late. Eventually a bus came, but the bus conducter
would not let us on. We said we have to get the 6.15
train at Euston, he was adamant. Next two policemen
said "of the bus".
We were still arguing, then the Everton coach pulled
up, Roy Vernon and Jimmy Gabriel shouted from the
door come on. We were star struck. "Gabby" said
I will get that bastard Maurice Cook Fulham"s
centre forward, at Goodison. We made it to Euston
6.15. Roy can you get us a table for a card game,
they were strapped up. We were on cloud nine.
In 1963 we played West Ham at Upton Park. the
first one in the F.A.Cup, when they got a dubious
penalty for the Hammers, ( Budgie Byrne)
About three weeks later we played them again.
In the morning at elevenish, we went to the Baileys
Hotel where the team were staying. The players
were going to their own way. Then Roy and Alex
Young came out, Roy said come on lads we are
going closing shopping.
Roy had a column in the Daily Post on a Thursday.
I said to Roy what was that about RS winning semi
final against Leicester. "Just paper talk, I want the
bastards to lose"
1964 I was working as an apprentice painter, went to
work in Maghull. I got my wage packet on a Thursday,
went to the Hare and Hounds pub in Maghull. About
seven, Roy walked in by himself, we had a great chat
and a few pints. He said that he thought that I was a
towny. A few days later I went into the betting shop,
Roy was in there with Fred Pickering, he introduced
me to Fred.
I was very lucky at a younger age to see a great player
and my idol.
My mate and I hitch hiked in the early sixties, some
Cardiff, Ipswich, London teams, bunking on trains.
I am sure some ToffeeWebbers would knew my mate,
He passed away one year this November. A great
RIP. Tony Kelly.
58 Posted 16/11/2019 at 13:23:38
59 Posted 16/11/2019 at 14:07:00
60 Posted 16/11/2019 at 14:47:05
61 Posted 16/11/2019 at 14:50:07
He'd just been off-form at times, possibly due to Mexico, and it seemed premature to sell him, especially given that he made an impact at Arsenal. We were never the same again compared with the 60s.
62 Posted 16/11/2019 at 14:55:44
Tony is well missed all over town by many people, not just Evertonians. Amen to your last remark about Tony.
63 Posted 16/11/2019 at 15:05:18
He was Dave, I was an apprentice cabinet maker at Ayrton and Grahams in Benson St, next to the dole office, between Ranleigh St and Mount Plaesant. Tommy was labourer there and he looked after us, going out for the chips or lunchtime sarnies etc. A smashing bloke but most certainly dead by now. He was such a character I thought you might have known him. He was mates with two brothers Jimmy and Joe Kidd who also seemed to know everything “going on” so to speak. You know, a suit length for your Christmas suit could “appear” at a knock down price. Characters.
64 Posted 16/11/2019 at 15:10:39
65 Posted 16/11/2019 at 15:21:22
66 Posted 16/11/2019 at 15:31:49
Gerry Glover played for England Boys in the same year as Aiden Maher, left winger for Everton, IanMcCullogh, who went to Liverpool and another lad, full back, whose name escapes me, he also went to Liverpool, his name would have stuck with me if he had played for Everton, so serves him right!!
67 Posted 16/11/2019 at 15:35:21
68 Posted 16/11/2019 at 15:36:23
69 Posted 16/11/2019 at 16:08:37
70 Posted 16/11/2019 at 16:39:23
It was another spikey affair and Everton with Vernon, Stevens Kay Gabriel and Sandy in the team were unlikely to be take a step back, and often got their retaliation in first. Enmities were forged that day.
Ended 1 1 with a late equaliser from the spot. Vernon took it after Scott missed the first attempt.
Back to Goodison and we won 2 0. Jimmy Gabriel played centre forward and scored. Roy scored the winner in front of a big crowd. I went with my Dad. He managed to get tickets in the Main Stand. Great atmosphere and we put those pricks in their place.
But they remembered both games Im sure, and worked on their horrible game plan.
71 Posted 16/11/2019 at 16:41:24
72 Posted 16/11/2019 at 16:54:29
73 Posted 16/11/2019 at 17:04:48
I had a quick look on Everton Results and Alex scored a penalty in the the previous game in Roys absence. Maybe that was the reason, but odd nonetheless
74 Posted 16/11/2019 at 17:08:03
75 Posted 16/11/2019 at 17:09:40
Yes Dave I played in the Welsh League for a couple of clubs.
When we have the next ToffeeWeb get together well have to have a chat. When is the next meeting?
76 Posted 16/11/2019 at 17:17:22
77 Posted 16/11/2019 at 17:20:30
78 Posted 17/11/2019 at 16:17:49
I was the same ages of those lads. Gerry Glover who
played for Saint John"s also Frank D"arcey, who was
Aiden Maher played for Saint Swithens then he
moved on to Saint Teresa"s, he was outstanding
all left foot. I played against them, it was in the
Dave I think that left back that you were thinking
of going to the rs. He was at the Newsham school
if it was him, Alan Hignett nicknamed "Bullet".
79 Posted 17/11/2019 at 16:34:11
If Im not mistaken Ian McCullogh was captain of Liverpool Boys, noted, even at fifteen for his long throw ins, a very good scheming inside forward.
Frank Darcey got a few games for Everton at left back, think he was a centre half for the schoolboys, a giant of a lad, dont know where he went to at football, but he was a chargehand on a working gang on a shut down at Fords many years ago, as big as he was a little mate of mine, wholl you know, lived by Tony Kelly, was going to fill him in, Frank was a pain in the arse on that job.
80 Posted 17/11/2019 at 17:32:03
Dave was Ian McCullogh a relation of George
Hannah the Newcastle and Manchester City.
Did he play for Man City in the FA Cup Final versus
Birmingham City on 1956.
81 Posted 17/11/2019 at 18:04:28
George played in the 19555 cup final for Newcastle and scored a goal in the 3-1 win, he was then transferred to Lincoln City and then onto Man. City, but not until1958 so he never played in the 1956 final.
The article says he played a good part in the development of Dennis Law at Man.City after Laws transfer from Huddersfield Town. I think Everton were very interested in signing Law when he was at Huddersfield.
82 Posted 17/11/2019 at 18:39:07
I had never seen Leeds before and had no idea what to expect. The foul on Sandy Brown by Giles was bad enough but that by Bell on Derek Temple was one of the worst Ive ever seen.
It was obvious that Bell was feigning injury as Derek was being carried off, and it was the last straw when Bell was allowed to return onto to the field without punishment after the 10 minute cooling off period. I asked Derek about the incident at a function a few years ago and he agreed that he was lucky not to have had his leg broken; amazingly he was able to play for the rest of the match.
Leeds were a truly appalling team of thugs, Hunter, Bremner and Collins being the others who stood out, yet Everton somehow got more of the blame in the press. Nothing new.
83 Posted 19/11/2019 at 09:37:27
I dont know if Tommy was coming back from injury, but young Jack had a field day and Tommy was given a torrid time all match. I dont recall the score.
As chance would have it, our next league match was Bolton at home, and Bentley was picked, and so was Banks. Poor Jack never got a kick( actually he got several and very painful they looked too). We got beat late on from memory. And that was Jacks first and last appearance for the first team.
It only came to mind because Ive just read an excellent book called When Footballers Were Skint, and Tommy is featured heavily. A decent man but Jesus a hard one on and off the field, like most of them. Loads of these old professionals who played before the maximum wage and the contract retain by clubs were abolished.
Only Tony McNamara of Everton features but theres a great photo of Davy, flying through the air on the front cover.
84 Posted 20/11/2019 at 09:51:27
Chris, your post gives me a chance to recall a reserve team game also versus Bolton Wanderers played at Goodison Park.
It was a crazy afternoon with weird decisions by an inept referee, by half time Kenny Birch and Harry Potts had been sent off for us along with, one of my favourite players, Dennis Stevens, then playing for Bolton. At half time, one of those old die-hard Evertonians told everyone near him that he'd seen the referee in the Winslow pub before the game having a few drinks, a load of nonsense, of course, but it made the already wound up crowd, in a worse mood.
The first bad decision by this ref had this fella shouting “Told yis!” That was it: loads of fans on the pitch racing towards Bolton's penalty area, where the decision was given. Amongst the mob was a lady (well, she was an Evertonian!!) with an umbrella, she made for Ken Grieves, the Bolton goalkeeper who was also Lancashire cricket club's wicketkeeper, he was doing his best to get away from her as she tried to bash his head in with the umbrella, while others were trying to get at the referee.
The players did their best to restore order, until the sole policeman, on duty at the ground appeared and came onto the field and finally subdue the crowd and get the game restarted, the game finished 2-1 to Bolton with the referee lambasted for every minute of the game and, no doubt happy to get off the field in one piece.
No doubt you will find this post very hard to believe and I wouldn't blame you for that; however, I used to think I had dreamy this story. One time when I was talking to Dave Prentice at the Liverpool Echo, on the phone, I relayed the story to him and asked him if there was any stories in the Echo about this occasion? He said, "Leave it with me and I'll search for any mention of it."
A few days later, he rang me back to tell me that there was indeed a story of that event, exactly as I had described it in The Daily Post on the Monday after the game. He said it had him and others chuckling in the Echo.
85 Posted 20/11/2019 at 10:43:10
Just as well it wasnt a league game. Can you imagine the headlines?
I can also remember Ken Grieves. Quite a character according to David Lloyd.
I dont know if it was the same Bentley, it may well have been. He seemed to be in the same group as Colin Green, Alan Tyrer, Roy Parnell, Mick Gannon, Keith Webber, George Sharples.
Most only got a handful of first team games, but I certainly remember many of them in the reserve matches.
I think we had high hopes for Webber who scored for fun in the younger teams I think, but it didnt happen for him. I think he had a decent career in the lower leagues. Another who died young from memory.
86 Posted 20/11/2019 at 15:54:24
TWO EVERTON PLAYERS SENT-OFF
Crowd Invaded Pitch – Game Delayed
8 November 1954. The Liverpool Daily Post
Everton Reserves 0, Bolton Reserves 2
By Leslie Edwards
Two Everton players – Birch and Potts – were ordered off and a crowd estimated to number 200 encroached on the field and held up play for about 5 minutes in the Central League match between Everton Reserves and Bolton Wanderers Reserves at Goodison Park on Saturday. The game was goalless until mid-way through the second half when Bolton scored twice in the space of 5 minutes.
Stevens of Bolton and Potts of Everton were then concerned in an incident after which Referee, N.C.A. Downes, of Birmingham appeared to order off the Bolton player, Stevens collapsed at that moment. The game resumed after he had received attention and the referee had asked the players concerned to shake hands.
The game resumed in an atmosphere of tension and, following an incident in which Birch of Everton and Allcock of Bolton were involved, Birch was ordered off. Potts then said something to Referee Downes and he too was ordered from the field.
About 200 spectators then climbed from the terraces on to the ground to demonstrate with the referee and with Bolton players. Meantime, while this was going on, boys who had invaded the pitch spent the time shooting in at both goals. It took police and an appeal through the public address system by Everton secretary, Mr. Bill Dickenson, five minutes to clear the pitch so that the match could be resumed.
Mr. R.D. Webster of 591 Cherry-Lane, Walton writes:
“May I give you my opinion of what occurred at Goodison Park on Saturday in the Central League match between Everton and Bolton Wanderers. In the first half, shocking tackles were unchecked by the referee, Mr. N.C.A. Downes of Birmingham.
"Then, in the second half came the incidents involving Stevens and Potts. The referee appeared to order off Stevens. Then the referee consulted a linesman who was near the incident. More palaver by all the Bolton players caused the referee to go to the other linesman. After this, the referee had a talk with Stevens and Potts and then allowed play to continue. All this upset the crowd.
“Later, Birch – who had not given a single ball away all afternoon – made one doubtful tackle, and was ordered off. No second opinion from a linesman this time. (To Birch's good credit, he just walked off without a word.)
"Potts then complained to the referee of his verdict and off he went. At this time the crowd were upset and the game was stopped for several minutes before the crowd left the field."
Pity... nothing about said lady with the umbrella. But a fine story nevertheless!
87 Posted 20/11/2019 at 16:08:21
Was this the same Harry Potts who went on to mange Burnley? And win the League.
88 Posted 20/11/2019 at 18:54:49
89 Posted 21/11/2019 at 20:04:53
Yes, Harry did well as manager with Burnley without spending a great deal of money – including, as you say, winning the First Division Championship. I think Burnley under Potts would have won more trophies had they not been in contention with the fabulous Spurs team of that era.
Michael, I'm sure that lady with the umbrella was really there that day, but it was 65 years ago, so it's possible the story grew in my head over the years. Maybe if she's still alive, she could confirm it... mind you, she would be around a 117 now, and might be a bit confused.
Harry Potts, by the way, cost a tidy sum, £20,000, which wasn't chicken-feed then, I don't think he was a great success, although it's possible he played some games in the team that won promotion in 1954.
90 Posted 21/11/2019 at 20:33:16
The point is that every year pretty much a different team won. Even Liverpool. Not like now. Proper competition. We may have been the only club to have won it twice in the decade, in 69-70. But couldn't swear to it. Everyone had a chance then so every game was properly competed, on a level playing field.
I think we beat Ipswich at Goodison, the season they won the league. 5-2. Temple hat-trick.
These days, inequality Is hardwired into the way it is structured. It's almost impossible to break the pattern. Society the same way.
A proper shame. But it's only a game.
91 Posted 22/11/2019 at 10:05:29
Thanks Rob Sawyer.
Christmas has come early!
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