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Alex Kociuba
1 Posted 22/06/2020 at 13:52:54
Richarlison for large portions of the game looked the best player on the pitch! How you have eight players ahead of him makes no sense - perhaps Coleman is valid, but as for Tom Davies and Iwobi... they would be lucky to get a 4/10 from me.
Jay Wood

2 Posted 22/06/2020 at 13:57:34
Ease off, Alex. It's Paul's personal ratings. Never understand why people get so irate at them.

I could say 'right back at you' on your own ratings.

I agree Richarlison merited more, but for me your 4/10 for Tom Davies suggests you are a poor observer of the game. Tom was my personal Everton MoTM.

Opinions, eh?

Christopher Timmins
3 Posted 22/06/2020 at 14:17:54
Paul, great to have you back and glad to hear you got a negative test result.
Kevin Prytherch
4 Posted 22/06/2020 at 15:14:36
I see the “let's find a young player to hammer” brigade are out again!!!

It's no wonder Davies played well with no crowd.

Bring back Schneiderlin – don't let him go to Nice!!!!!

John Raftery
5 Posted 22/06/2020 at 15:39:02
I thought all the players performed their allotted tasks very effectively in a highly disciplined team performance. Seamus was man of the match with an assured defensive display, tracking and tackling the opposition runners and making sensible decisions with his use of the ball. Tom Davies was the best of our midfielders. As always Richarlison gave everything to the cause, supplying a threat up front while supplementing the defence when required.

I was impressed with the fitness level shown by our players in the closing minutes. Contrary to some rumours floating around a couple of weeks ago they seem to have trained hard and well. Tough work in training may explain why a couple of the older players, Walcott and Delph, have fallen by the wayside.

Finally enormous credit must go to the manager for the organisation and tactics. With a small slice of luck he might have been rewarded with an overdue win.

Mike Gaynes
6 Posted 22/06/2020 at 15:53:52
Paul, glad you're OK!

John #5, you make a great point that was pretty much ignored in the other threads... about the conditioning of our players. In most of the "restart" games I've seen, clubs used all five subs and could have used more, because so many players were staggering around at the end, clearly not game-fit. The only one of ours I saw who looked at all gassed was Gomes, and he still gritted his teeth and pressured the ball right to the end.

It was certainly an uncoordinated performance, to be expected after such a long layoff, but I was delighted with the obvious fitness and professionalism displayed yesterday. With the game on the line, nobody made any fatigue-related errors that could have cost us. And in my book that goes to the manager's credit as much as the organized, composed defensive effort.

Joe McMahon
7 Posted 22/06/2020 at 15:55:06
I thought Lucas was also solid last night and the Wanker ref gave him a ridiculous yellow card.

Paul you brought back some mainly horrible memories. The 3-3 at Goodison, I thought we had it. Was our best season in donkeys. The 2-2 at Anfield, Beckfords calm finish to put us 1-2 up then Howard lunged in for their obligatory penalty. Then a huge disappointment was Pickford 90th minute fumble/punch into his own net. It's the stuff of horror films. Referee blows as ball crosses the line off Fergusons arse, Gary McAllister injury time free kick when the allotted time was well over. It's a HEX, I'm convinced, and no I'm not some fairy Fairy type, I'm not religious or anything.

Thomas Lennon
8 Posted 22/06/2020 at 16:39:33
Joe #7 - pretty sure that was Hutchinson's arse - 2000?
Lev Vellene
9 Posted 22/06/2020 at 17:50:11
Maybe it's time to let a lot of the young/fringe players alternately have a go for the rest of the season?

At least with empty stands, the boo-boys won't be wrecking any careers by their harassing of anyone who doesn't play as well as a 5 year older international...

It really is such a British thing, I feel, like your journalists! How so many see no difference between the right to criticize the establishment, and virtually allowing the plainly mean to have a go at anyone...

Jason Li
10 Posted 22/06/2020 at 18:09:47
Davies a at least a 6, maybe a 7.

Henderson, full England international, years of experience... no better in my opinion last night than Davies. Davies looks like he has improved 10-15% on last year. Positionally much better under Carlo than Silva.

By next season and another 10% increase in development, we'll all be saying what a player Davies has become at just 22 years and a few months old.

Julian Exshaw
11 Posted 22/06/2020 at 18:11:11
During the match, I was a miserable sod, I admit. I couldn't get over the lack of cohesion, the basic ability to pass. The match was a hard watch and that's being kind. I couldn't understand why we didn't have more of a go at them, as they were poor enough.

On reflection, and having read a lot of comments from my esteemed fellow ToffeeWebbers who have a far better knowledge of the game than I, I began to realise that this was indeed a good performance and augurs well for this and next season.

Liverpool were ordinary because of the master tactics given by our Carlo. Had we won it I the end, we would have deserved it.

I regret my 'live match' comments. Well done boys.

Alex Kociuba
12 Posted 22/06/2020 at 19:11:44
Jay Wood #2 I'm not sure why you interpreted my comment as irate? I re-read it and still can't detect it. However maybe I was a bit harsh on Davies, his style (or lack thereof) of football really frustrates me and I am unable to tune into his bad elements rather than his good.
Alex Kociuba
13 Posted 22/06/2020 at 19:12:49
Last sentence didn't make sense but you know what I mean
Mark Andersson
14 Posted 22/06/2020 at 21:13:51
Interesting report, Paul... it's good to see ToffeeWebbers back to being entertaining.

I too will find it interesting to see how our players fair with not having the pressure of the boo-boys on their backs.

I have never understood this attitude of giving our players stick; unless they are being lazy, support your players!

Anyway, I hope Carlo can instil confidence into all that put on the blue shirt... and put us back where we belong..

Stay safe and never eat smelly bacon...

Martin Mason
15 Posted 22/06/2020 at 21:33:25
Alex @12, That centre-midfield position in 4-4-2 and in the modern game is the most difficult on the pitch to look decent and to perform well. They receive the ball often badly from defenders and facing goal. They are inevitably closed down by up to 3 players now and they have to keep the ball long enough to get it to a colleague. If they lose the ball, as they perfectly reasonably can do, then it looks terrible as the opponents then surge forward on the break.

Davies had a very good game last night and is growing well into that role. Don't forget too that he isn't supported by a defensive midfielder. As many say Evertonians are actually quite bad in not supporting and encouraging their own, it may be good for the younger players to play behind closed doors for a few games.

Mike Gaynes
16 Posted 23/06/2020 at 00:58:42
Julian #11, no problem, mate. You were only mildly cranky. The Forum is the perfect place for that.
Brian Wilkinson
17 Posted 23/06/2020 at 01:56:01
The 3 all draw you refer to was when Mirallas was ripping them to shreds but had to go off injured after a bad tackle in the first half from Suarez, who later then dragged his studs down Distin's calf but still remained on the pitch.

They knew the danger that day and made damn sure they would take him out of the game.

Mark Murphy
18 Posted 23/06/2020 at 07:20:46
Why did Stephen Gerrard call Michael Oliver a shithouse? Surely not for denying us a goal??
Charles Brewer
19 Posted 23/06/2020 at 08:19:30
Mark, it was probably because the ref had been well paid to give lots of free kicks a few metres outside the penalty area for non-fouls, but hadn't given enough. A bit like on Sunday.

Brian, surely Liverpool never target and continuously foul particular players in a manner likely to injure them. I'm sure Richardson would agree with that... after all, repeated stamps on his feet weren't going to do any harm, were they?

Paul Traill
20 Posted 23/06/2020 at 08:51:36
Brian @17

The game you refer to was actually a different one. It finished 2-2, Everton were 0-2 down early on but quickly levelled and Kevin Mirallas was running riot until Luis Suarez hacked him down. Suarez should have been sent off for that alone and then also got away with that horror lunge on Sylvan.

A lot was made, by Stevie Me no less, in the media about a goal Suarez scored late in the game that was incorrectly chalked off for offside, though little was made of the fact he should have been long sent off by then, nor that Kevin had to go off injured and was then out for a considerable period of time just as he was peeking.

Kevin did get retribution on Suarez the season after (in the 3-3 draw) and should have been sent off. I'm not an advocate of deliberately hurting players but I had no problem with that one, Suarez was a disgrace of a player in the Premier League.

Mark @18 - It was unrelated to the goal but was to do with a different decision he disagreed with. While Victor Anichebe got instantly booked for questioning why we had a perfectly good goal ruled out, Stevie Me gave the referee all sorts of abuse for something else and received an apology. Incredible.

Phil Gardner
21 Posted 23/06/2020 at 10:21:06
Absolutely spot on there, Paul. Not many saw or remember that incident at Anfield but I have never been able to take that clown Oliver seriously after that.

Distin scores a perfectly good header which the Red Shite, including the serial protester-in-chief, Carra the kid-spitter, never contested or questioned. Oliver then disallows it and Anichebe mouthed the words ‘Why did you disallow that?' and gets booked for dissent.

With minutes left, Everton are awarded an obvious and clear free-kick for a clear foul to the left of their box and in Baines territory. Gerrard, as clear as day, approaches Oliver and straight in his face calls him a ‘fuckin shithouse!' Oliver apologises and shrugs but keeps his card in his pocket.

That would have been a famous win at the shitpit, which was ruled out for no good reason. Funny old thing, no mention was ever made of the DJ puncher's conduct at all.

This was not the worst of dozens of dreadful refereeing decisions we have endured in derbies but it rankled with me. Great post, Trailly.

Geoff Williams
22 Posted 23/06/2020 at 17:23:34
I just don't understand why Tom Davies is constantly criticised by certain contributors to ToffeeWeb.
Ray Said
24 Posted 23/06/2020 at 17:34:10
Davies played pretty well in my opinion. He seemed more disciplined and worked very hard for the team along Gomes.

The thing that really cheesed me off was tactic of have two or three of our players in our box every time we had a goal kick. It surrenders any numerical advantage in midfield and, on most occasions, our players kicked it around the most dangerous area of the pitch taking risks for no reward and then ended up passing it back to Pickford to kick long! Lacking any logic for me but it seems that it's the growing fashion so we must join in.

Fran Mitchell
25 Posted 23/06/2020 at 18:16:00
The back 4 played brilliantly, and Pickford looked assured, commanding and made the saves expected of him. Coleman stood out, but Holgate was the pick of the bunch. Really top quality, he's got it all and can go on to be really really top class centre half. He mixes the finesse of the modern with the aggression and no-nonsense when needed. Future Captain.

Gomes was clearly too slow, and neither he nor Davies were managing to get the ball off them for long periods. Bringing Sigurdsson on helped, as we then played the 5-3-2 much more effectively – no criticism on Gordon here, he's a left/right forward and was being asked to play ball-winning midfielder, on his debut. No surprise after that change we actually started to get a foothold in the game and almost won it.

Iwobi did indeed track back, fill gaps and all, but he was incredibly lacklustre In possession. But again, a central attacking midfielder, or maybe an inside forward, being asked to play full back. So am willing to give some slack. Luckily Robinson was not playing.

Richarlison did spend a little too much time doing his Neymar impersonation, and I do hope he removes this part of his game, but the boy looks dangerous every time he gets the ball. He could have scored, maybe should have, but rustiness is expected, especially when living off scraps.

Calvert-Lewin put in a shift, working their defence, always a danger with his pace, and not allowing Liverpool backline to push further forward (thus keeping their midfield from pushing further forward). Real defending from the front. And showed great improvisation with his back flick that almost resulted in the winner. Sign of a top striker with confidence in himself.

Martin Reppion
26 Posted 23/06/2020 at 21:59:15
Geoff. The one thing I've learned from ToffeeWeb is that, after 50-odd years of watching football, I know nothing.

People watch the same game and the same players as I do and come up with totally different interpretations of what they see.

I rate Tom Davies. He is, in football terms, still a kid, but seems to have been around for ages. Yes, I have been frustrated by his ability to give the ball away. But he is a leader, and appears to sweat blue blood. That's good enough for me to look for the positives whenever I see him.

With other players that split opinions, from Michael Keane to Bernard, it seems to depend on what the individual critic is looking for. Once a player has been identified for an alleged or perceived weakness, some people will always have a go. I could never work out what James McCarthy did for a living, yet others told me he was good enough to play for Barcelona. I'd have driven him there myself!

As long as we watch this game, we will argue about it. Can't wait to be in the pub after a match doing it all over again for real. And I'll still know nothing.

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