Reports: Everton to hold talks with Nuno

Which brings me to Moyes, himself. Even without mentioning other objections, I never favoured returns of prodigal sons.

Next candidate please.

I think Nuno is a better appointment than Moyes, Howe and Lampard, but Id like us to ask Poch now Conte looks like he's off to Spurs. He can only say no. After that I'd like Dunc to be given his chance but I don't think he'll be asked...So Nuno it is.

We've notably failed with (b) this season.

He also got Wolves promoted with handful of largely unheralded foreigners, the bizarre signing of Ruben Neves and getting a lot out of players like Coady and Doherty.

Obviously quality has since been added - led by Mino Raiola not Santo - but he's managed and coached the squad well until falling away this season basically because Traore doesn't link well with Semedo (both try to occupy the same space) and Fabio Silva is miles away from being ready to replace the injured Jiminez. Moutinho is now fading too.

He also plays with wing backs and three centre backs which might not be a bad fit for us given existing personnel.

Given we will not get an appointment to set the heart racing, this would not be bad option at all.

Carlo looked at our squad - even with additions like James - and decided we were so lacking in quality that we could only play a low block and hope to pinch one. In other words, an even more defensive version of the way Moyes had us playing. It may be that we were only shite in comparison to the kind of world-class players he was used to, but I guess we'll find out when the next fella is appointed.

Anyway, whoever is made manager, he's stuck with this lot plus maybe three or four incoming. Good luck to him.

He has led Wolves to 2 consecutive 7th place finishes, although the latter was with a club record 59 points!!

He has lost key players this season due to sales and injury.

He should be able to converse with our South American contingent, which could be a bonus compared to other managers.

Hopefully the lack of a big name appointment will allow us to fly under the radar in the new season as the last thing this lot need is any form of expectation.

Wolves probably suffered as a result of this last season, but take your time Mr Moshiri because this next appointment is so important

Robert Tressell mentions above; he plays a back 3. I've rarely seen him change his style, which has caught them out this season. Silva anyone?

Play the system that suits the players you have or at least adapt to who you're playing against. Don't just keep doing the same thing on principle if it's not working.

Andrew#17, we are a mid-table club. We have finished in the top 4 twice since last winning the league. Without vast wealth we need to accept that and build properly because pretending to be a big rich club without actually having big bucks or good players has been taking us backwards for many years now.

Another cheque book manager who flatters to deceive.

And another thing, Wolves seem to be of the same cloth as Everton as far as football clubs go. Please correct me if this is off but that has been my impression following them and chatting up a friend who is a supporter. That would be a comforting thing right now to have a good fit for the club in terms of someone who knows what to expect and can provide some semblance of this club's past form.

He needs to come in with a flame-thrower mounted on a tank and raze the current setup to the ground and build from the bottom up.

If a yes man comes in to slot into the mediocrity then we're still on the road to nowhere He'll just be another hamster on the wheel collecting his millions before the inevitable disappointment and sacking.

I don't know if Nuno has balls of steel or ping pong balls. The trouble is half the interviewers may want someone who keeps everyone onside and on easy street, that just can't happen.

Of the candidates mentioned , that are available and achievable, he is definitely one of the better ones.

Some are lording Moyes for getting West Ham to Europe.Just as he did for Everton but never achieved anything like that.

Harry Kane and Delle Ali didn't cost them that much and came to prominence on his watch. He also didn't do a bad job at Southampton, so for those who like a manager who can take an average team and make them difficult to beat and play high pressing aggressive football, combining up and coming players, astute buys and getting the most out of what you have, not a bad option in my opinion.

Like all other posters, I agree Nuno doesn't set the pulse racing and he doesn't seem to be the type who will shake up the lazy twots we have at FF. However, he might be a good fit with Brands.

Moyes will shake them up at FF but I can't see him working with Brands - and in any case from a personal point of view I don't want him anywhere near GP.

Forget Poch or Conte, it won't happen even if we made a cheeky bid.

To me Nuno demands commitment from his players and before injuries and transfers his team performed a lot better than us for two seasons. I think he'd be good enough to get us into Europe and he won't stand slackers. That sounds good to me compared to the stupidity we've had since Moyes left for supposedly better things.

Howe got Bournemouth relegated, Potter at Brighton just avoided relegation, Gerrard won't come and why would Moyes leave a team he's got into Europe for one that isn't. Nuno is therefore the best choice right now and we really need a steer on recruitment as soon as possible!

I hope you rest in the knowledge I won't sleep tonight!!!

I don't get why Moyes would consider returning

This season has given him a lot of credit with hammers fans if he turned up here he would be on a hiding to nothing from the get go. The first run of bad form would see him hounded.

If we went back I'd have Bobby but you should never go back

Premier league experience and a track record of getting a good shift out of the players he has.

I think Wolves have played some really good football over the last few years.

Whoever is appointed needs complete support and Patience!

This is a nightmare again but Simon Jordan called it right on talksport earlier. What has Carlo actually done in 18 months ?

Single malt works for me, or Bushmills.

Hew as the right type of fit, young, hungry and with some good ideas.

Brands effectively hanged him out to dry with the Iwobi transfer window, throw in injuries to Gomes and some astounding bad luck it just spiralled away from him.

Some may say he had his chance but it just feels like a missed opportunity with him.

As for Nuno not once have I ever watched Wolves and thought wish we had Nuno as manager. Wolves aren't a club I follow closely by any stretch so I have a limited opinion of him. But if I had to choose between Nuno and Moyes I'd go Moyes I'm sad to say. The only name that genuinely has me crapping my Kecks is Eddie Howe please god no.

The standout candidate is Benitez, though I can understand why it's not going to happen.

Linked to this, what scouting of players did Wolves and NES do or did they merely rely on their Portuguese connections for their best players?

He also got Rio Ave into Europe, Valencia to the champions league and Wolves into Europe.

Far too much conflict of interest in transfer dealings. Who replaced Doherty at Wolves, yep, another Mendes client, Nelson Semedo.

So a player can't be 32 and hungry? I was and I could still compete.

Fernandinho has just pulled the strings for City at the age of 36. Aguero looked "hungry" to me a the age of 32. I'm sure he still will for Barcelona who have just signed him. Not good enough for Everton though.

Sorry, but the "young and hungry" phrases bores and tires me. Its about talent, ability and fitness, regardless of age.

To use that phrase, most would have retired Pirlo by his 30th birthday, if not before.

Let's play a load of 18 year olds and see where it gets us. Honestly.

You balance age, youth, experience and up coming talent to form a successful team. Thats what the successful teams do. And always have done.

So disappointed in Carlo. Thought he was here for the long run and could turn this super tanker of mediocrity around. Going to work for that fascist pressure cooker club and that idiot Perez just does my head in. Up Barca!

Nuno would be acceptable to me but not particularly exciting.

Benitez is unpalatable but I would welcome him, as he's a proven manager and knows the league - and lives here already through choice (so no family worries). My first choice despite his past.

Stevie G? We shouldn't, he wouldn't.

Ralph Raggyneck - fine by me.

Moyes can do one.

Howe, no thanks.

Martinez back? Phenomenally silly.

Conte and Poch won't come.

Big Dunc - fine. The lazy sods would get a right mouthful.

Just really sad we find ourselves having to go through this again.

COYB. Get it right PLEASE.

Anyone who thinks we were dire last season should have watched Wolves to cheer themselves up; they only scored 36 goals in the Premier League last season, 11 fewer than us...

Wolves bought the Championship – other sides complained of dodgy dealings.

The bloke seemed clueless without Jimenez to bail him out...

Well look at Koeman phoned it in the whole time.

Compared to Silva who really put the hours at EFC in to prove himself.

Both failed admittedly but give me any manager willing to put the graft in.

Nuno is going to need more than the Holy Spirit to convince me. He's going to need la Familia Sagrada as well.

It seemed to me he ran out of ideas towards the end at Wolves, although he had some good players taked away from him, this didn't do him any favours.

To the moderators, could we have a fifth choice in your poll: "sitting on the fence?".

Go forward don't look back!

Now my controversial choice for some is Duncan Ferguson, job came too early last time around, however he did get the players giving that bit extra, and had the fans onboard as well.

Something has to change, take a punt on someone who understands what this club stands for, after his time alongside Carlo, I think now is the time to try a different approach, and give Duncan Ferguson a chance.

Brian,

Big Dunc would not be a contraversial appointment, just like last time he's had chance to see what's gone wrong and like last time he might just light fire underneath them.

I'd like to it play out this time, instead of a few games.

What I dislike about the Wolverhampton setup is the influence of Jorge Mendes and his people trafficking. I've always thought the authorities should investigate this constant stream of Portuguese youngsters into the Black Country. Something very dodgy about that lot.

Still, he did run away with the Championship, then led Wolves to back-to-back 7th place finishes (and would have had back-to-back Europa League appearances if not for Arsenal squeezing them out with their FA Cup win).

I do think we need to determine the right person for the job, rather than just chasing the biggest name for the sake of clout. There's no doubt Conte is a winner, but he's also a short-fused nutcase who's the complete opposite of the sort of continuity the club desperately needs at this stage.

How we know who the right person for the job is, I have no idea.

But it's not just the manager, we need a load of new players to replace the ones not up to standard and a whole new coaching/backroom/conditioning staff to replace the present old boys' club. I can't see much real change in the club until the chairman goes. He probably had to be stopped appointing Wayne Rooney as manager.

Ian E, who's your choice for manager? Pray tell

Ian is too busy to answer as he is usually publishing stats that are usually wrong. He also seems to have no short-term memory of Everton results over the last several years that would obviously prove his dodgy stats wrong. Really bizarre.

If they failed – sorry... when they failed – they'd get sacked and have to go elsewhere.

At present, they've both got cushy jobs for life, well as long as Bill lasts.

Just a thought and something other than Moyes and similar ilk.

He's available and we need this resolved quickly so we can get ourselves sorted.

Not exactly an exciting name, but he's better than some of the names mentioned (Howe, for example).

Wolves are a team that are always very slow to start games, but once they start playing can be pleasing on the eye. This season they suffered due to losing their best 2 players (one to injury, another sold) and not investing in first team ready players.

I always found them a bit over rated, but they came.up.from the championship and are now pretty much established in teh Premier League, which is solid work by the manager (compared to Howe and his perrenial relegation candidates to eventual relegation fodder).

So meh. ok.

But the true feeling is that 'I really don't care anymore. We're destined for mid table either way

The problem with your reasonable suggestion is that the Everton board only have two modes of operation: procrastination, and panic.

Surely West Ham would get this done and dusted whilst all this shite is going on at Goodison.

Stellar promotion to the Premier League, built a pretty good team at wolves (seems a good talent spotter), took them from the Championship to getting in to the Europa League (we can't seem to get from 7th to 5th), he ran a pretty good domestic campaign at the same time as his European campaign. Speaking Spanish and Portuguese is an obvious big plus. His age is also a plus.

I think he is the standout candidate by a country mile.

Whoever is appointed he will divide opinions.

My three choices would be:

Rangnick
Marcelo
Benitez (ouch).

Nobody will be messing about under him and he is respected at the club by players.

We are only potentially 7th or 8th best club under any manager. They all need a miracle run of form at some point to better that.

Did Ian not name his preference #86... or is it a different Ian?

Any other ex-players appointed as Academy coaches?

I'd bring Emery back as long as he keeps winning the Europa

Never never never and we should have some pride and disassociate ourselves from him…. Move forward not backwards

I'd even go for Martinez ahead of him - though that Wigan home FA cup game when Phil Neville played like my dead grannie still gives me shivers….

Sources: Kenwright champions Moyes to be new Everton manager amid West Ham latest

It looks like lazy journalism to me, but I have that nagging doubt Bill might just charm Moshiri into doing it.

Clearly they'd been a ToffeeWeb regular not long before it.

Hopefully whoever we get, we get behind them. Goodison will at least. Outside of that, it's just hope we get the next Alex Ferguson not the next Mike Walker.

Why not go along the Duncan Ferguson route, someone who understands Everton, and will not stand for anyone not putting the effort in, break the chain of bringing Managers year after year, Joe Royle, Howard Kendall, both brought success at Everton, both knowing what is expected from our football club, forget Kendall Mk 2 and Mk 3, look at what these achieved with their first stint.

I did not think Ferguson should have got the first shot for those games, he proved me wrong, I think he is the perfect choice now.

Apologies if I misread your post, but it was Moyes who was in charge of Everton for that horrible cup defeat to Wigan.

In the Wigan dugout was a certain Roberto Martinez.

He's been a coach at Everton for nearly 10 years and has had every opportunity to get in amongst them. I fear he's like Unsworth, likes his cushy salary and life behind the scenes.

So please, enlighten us. You seem to have psychic powers, so who is the chosen one?

Enough of this fantasizing – the team is shite... total and utter crap, and we need someone with proven ability to get a tune from a turd.

Not popular I know, but it has to be Moyes.

Moshiri has continually appointed the wrong man. He's going to do it again.

We haven't appointed an ex-Evertonian with passion for the club since Joe Royle in 1994. Look what he achieved that season... Duncan has the desire care and passion we have lacked for so long. I know he only had four or so games in charge but, in a flash, the likes of Schneiderlin and Walcott were running like crazy.

That game v Chelsea was one of the very few games in years and years where you were on the edge of your seat and your heart was racing! There was a real connection again between players and crowd.

He would surely shake the under-achievers up and pin a few against the dressing room wall who don't fancy it. He wouldn't be afraid if Liverpool either. Big Nev agrees too. I'd happily see Cahill there too.

If Nuno gets the job, good luck to him but we have truly lost our identity these last 8 years with coaches who either didn't care or who didn't get us. At least Dunc would give us some pride back and someone to all rally behind. He won't get it but he shouldn't be dismissed out of hand.

Now I'm the last person singing the praises of our Dazza Hind but to be fair to the guy from the get go amongst all the hysteria of Mr Fantastico's arrival, he always said he thought his appointment was wrong and a bad fit for EFC. That's hardly knifing the new manager in the back its just his opinion.

An opinion that turned out to be 100% correct.

Perhaps if Kenwright were a distant memory, it would be different... but, with him still at the club, Moyes would know that the expectation is 7th-ish and not winning away.

I am delighted that manager is gone personally but I take no delight in fellow Blues suffering and believe anger is being misattributed.

Break the bank and make an offer he can't refuse. If the club are actually arsed about challenging the Top 6 in the next 3-4 years, he is the long-term appointment we should be going for.

If we are going for another foreign coach, again we have to pay top dollar if the club have ambition. That's Conte, a modern-day winner in both the Premier League and in Italy.

At this point in time, if we don't get one of the above mentioned, we just plod along like we have been doing under the pile of shite that we've appointed over the past few years.

Nuno, no no! Same shit, different day.

Darren wasn't proved right at all as Carlo has not had the chance to deliver or not deliver. His leaving doesn't mean that he would have failed. Even if he had failed, Darren had a 50% chance of being right with his nonsense. More Mickey Mouse than Einstein.

Far more serious than Darren's irrelevancy are that we are in a far bigger mess now than if Carlo had stayed and Liverpool look like they are buying Tielemans.

None of us know who has, or has not been approached. None of us know who has or has not said "Yes", "Perhaps", or, "No - thank you very much".

So, it may not be a case of Mr Moshri not appointing the "right man" as the "right man" not being available to be appointed.

I will say it now: Our next manager will not get Champions League qualification in his first year. Sack him before he is appointed

Then again – wouldn't be very Everton that would it?

I don't know if I have missed something?

The last I recall was that he had said he had no interest in coaching nor managing.

Has that changed?

Daniel A, in all fairness to Darren he has been right about Martinez, Koeman (not 100% sure), Silva and Ancellotti. That's why I asked him about the next manager. If he says Nuno is shite then we may as well sack him now, before he signs a contract!

The horror of the day befuddled my memory..

It's not fuckin rocket science. The next manager will not get us Champions League football. Guaranteed.

Is that okay with you, Annika?

I loved Nuno the first 3 seasons he was at Wolves.

4th season he went really down hill fast.

Yes selling Jiota did not help, as his replacements were mega poor.

Yes the injury to Jimeneze was bad luck and did not help either, but his replacements were just as bad as those for Jiota.

And the wonder kid from Porto (Silver) - he should be out on loan at a championship club, not the first team centre forward - god help us!

In the end I was one of those calling for Nuno to be sacked. I'm glad to see him out, as we need fresh blood at the helm now.

Morgan Gibbs-White, not great, and not a premier league player. Championship/League One is his limit.

On another point, how come we do not get a HYS on BBC's McNulty 'Carlo Ancelotti leaves Everton: 'Italian's exit to Real Madrid major blow to Toffees' ambitions' on BBC sport today? Oh, I forgot the BBC can not see asumes only ESL clubs supporters understand football in this modern era!

Bring in Dunc. Can't do any worse than the last 5 managers! Baines can be his assistant. Job done.

It's a good strike rate for him. There's going to be divided opinion whoever we get but of those available I don't think any will get as high as 67% of fans satisfied or made up with them coming to Everton.

I can see this being a done deal by the weekend.

We are a small club, both in mind and action.
Nothing to see here, please move on.

Of the 2 names listed its Nuno for me, Wolves fans didn't want him to leave. Personally I'd prefer Lampard. He got Chelsea qualified for CL with a transfer ban and Derby to play off final. And remember Rooney was about 5 minutes away from relegating Derby.

Those calling for Moyes have short memories. He's stunk the place out since he left, bar one good season at West Ham. He's as much yesterday's man as Allardyce is. And as for Lampard or Rooney, both have shown that they are not up to the task of management.

Nuno or a truly left field appointment for me.

Its turned out he was a bad fit and he must have even felt it himself but the next managers job is still massive isn't it.

Ambition is somewhat confusing at this club.

Moshiri's first question to Nuno in interview, do you play 3 centre halfs because Toffeeweb is watching.

Will Coady come with him?

Nuno could prove to be another Silva and does not have a particularly impressive cv.

More depressing than having to search again for a manager is the thought that Kenwright is still on the board and apparently lobbying again for the return of Moyes. Mercifully only 5% in the poll are stupid enough to want him back.

Not great but of the known (realistic) names put forward he's the pick of the bunch.

Since you were non specific suitable experienced, soon to be available German leader Angel Merkhel. That would certainly rock the boat. I like it

I meant to add that I couldn't vote in the specific poll about Nuno because there isn't a option between disappointed and satisfied.

The foreign manager snobbery has failed ever since Moshiri has been here.

The reason I say he is interesting is because he was a key cog in the Red Bull model and is a major proponent of youth. If Moshiri was serious about building a future this would be the perfect appointment. He is arguably even better as a technical director and he may want to take us on as a project perhaps managing short term before moving upstairs. He would give us that dynasty, that plan many of us are calling for.

There are so few imaginative posts far as incomings are concerned and most are just regurgitating the usual suspects.

Any mention of Poch; Conte etc are immediately scoffed at as out of our reach - I did it myself on an earlier post!

So the choices reflect who we are at this moment in time - even Rodgers is out of reach.

One name has popped up a couple of times Eric Ten Hag and I mentioned it to my football coach son who said he would be an exciting choice who would get on with Brands.

My son is not an blues supporter but that is a very long story.

I had someone like Ralf Rangnick in mind though!

This means Wayne Rooney as manager. Give him time to mould a team over the next 4 years. No one knows the Premier League like him, no one at Everton today is a bigger winner than him if we are talking about a winner with a bit of grit between his teeth, and also softly spoken to suit the modern day footballer, he understands social media, what footballers get up to and lived it, taking the pressure of being captain for country... why not Wayne Rooney?

I thought the football under Martinez in those final few months was as bad as anything I've seen watching Everton. Just ponderous side ways passing. And he had an attacking possession based philosophy

Of course it was a bad experience but the man has lived in Naples. Hes not stupid. Of course he'd have a bad memory of it but what would he have done if Madrid hadn't come in? Quit? No chance.

It sounds relative because hes gone but regardless of any incident he was going once the call came and the 'unexpected' claim speaks to that.

He was staying but got an offer he didn't think would come and left to join trophy chasers.

True as a manager Rooney's won nothing in his short management career - definitely nowhere near Carlo and it will be hard to find another winner like Carlo to bring in unfortunately.

I think whoever the board brings in will be like the poll says, a 7 out of 10 appointment at most. Most candidate options in the comments have so many downsides, the board can't win. If no-one on TW after over 1000 opinions can't agree on two or three options that almost everyone says we wouldn't mind as the manager, it tells this appointment will be the toughest in years.

If the appointment may not be that exciting as we'd hope for, then an alternative objective could be that we should just get the one who is most likely to stay for at least 3 years if that's the case so Brands can bring in some good young players and develop under one stable manager to give young players a chance. Otherwise a manager whose got one eye on say Barcelona won't want to bring in young players as they're thinking about their CV and instant wins to attract a bigger club to hire them.

That's not true that I dismissed them all straight away.

Kept my powder dry about Koeman... But tore into him when I saw the transfer window him and Walsh had – wrote an article about it.

I was really interested to see how Silva got on, especially in light of some of the stuff Steve Ferns was writing about him. However, I got panicky when I realised he would not shift from Zonal Marking – I think I wrote an article about that too.

I was in total support of Big Dunc as I thought he was a breath of fresh air. I definitely wanted him to be given the rest of the season to see if he had what it took and if that passion was sustainable.

I was fearful of Carlo because I didn't think he could get anything out of these players – I deffo wrote an article about that. I didn't really start going for him though until it became blatantly obvious that he had no intentions whatsoever of playing any footy.

I don't subscribe to this "give him time" shite. It doesn't take 3 years to see if a manager is taking us in the right direction. If the writing is on the wall early – and it clearly has been for most of our previous managers – I don't believe there is any point in prolonging the agony.

When Carlo Ancelotti arrived at this club, there was a real feelgood factor. Duncan Ferguson had turned the ship around and had the crowds and all the media buzzing about the passion he had brought. Carlo Ancelotti destroyed it. He hasn't just left a team which finished 10th heading south. He left a squad of players who have long since forgotten how to play football. One which is now conditioned to spoiling games... if they can be arsed.

He may not have been a magician, but he managed to pull off the best disappearance since David Nixon was hiding behind an unsteady screen.

The next manager, whoever he may be, will get my full support. But it won't be unconditional.

I would like to consider plan A - the best around:-

Nage who is on the brink of replacing Nuno at Wolves.

Rangnick - potentially better than Bielsa.

Flick, Gasperini, Ten Hag, Pochettinho (although still under contract with PSG), Inzhagi, Marcelo, Lopetegui, Conte and Galteri of Lille.

They are all out there if we seek them out. Get Brands on the job and don't listen to lazy arse Bill.

As it stands the squad is sub-standard without any players that could threaten a Top 6 team – despite what some posters have previously said.

And we'll probably all start the season with the wide-eyed optimism that August often brings.

I suspect Moshiri is fresh out of wide-eyed optimism though. Given all he has spent, he must be beginning to feel he has fallen for the three card trick.

I'm not too excited at the prospect but Nuno is a decent coach and Wolves have played some good stuff under him. Even this season, where they have struggled for goals, they have been easier on the eye than us.

No to Mr Moyes, returns don't usually turn out too well.

Who has the ultimate say? Bill or Farhad? Can we trust them to make the right choice?

I'd go for someone with the love for Everton of Duncan, the passion of a Simeone (toned down by 50%), the tactical nous of a Bielsa, the charisma of a Guardiola, the cunning of an Alex Ferguson and the work rate of a Silva (no denying he put in the hours). Easy eh?

In the end, no chance of me getting behind the new manager if the new manager's name is David Moyes.

Kenwright wants Moyes, duuuurrrr..the most boring rumour anyone could come up with.

Only a lazy person would not consider Moshiri was surely impressed with Moyes this season and not consider it might be bullshit. And the Kenwright obsessives love it then regurgitate that empty statement.

Not one statement from the club today and The Echo who are supposed to be close to the club and your help towards Everton news, spread shite a ToffeeWebber could make up.

They haven't even considered how Moyes left Silly Billy hanging on a new contract then walked away.

Nuno, as Jay said, should be the Plan B, not first choice. I mean yesterday Nuno he was nailed on for the Palace job. Very underwhelmed right now.

So it's Orson Welles? And people call Sam Fat

How many managers have we seen come and go in the Premier League over the years who show some promise, but ultimately aren't all that? This fella was just about to jump on board with Palace and was totally screwed with a couple of players missing last season. It's not that he is the worst manager available but, for me, just one of many we've seen a million times before.

Also what the bloody hell is Brands doing? Isn't he the football ‘expert' at board level? Does he have a say? I was hoping to hear Brands had identified the right fit for his model but yet the same old names are churned back out with a few dull-as-fuck additions. I just can't work Brands out – can someone tell me how he has improved us during his tenure?

If we aren't in a place to attract a top manager (Conte, Pochettino) and none of the usual suspects are inspiring, then bring in someone with a proper footballing brain, like Ralf Rangnick who can instil a footballing philosophy and can identify a suitable replacement to keep his dynasty going when the time is right. Clearly Brands isn't getting to put his ideas down and Rangnick would provide the route and branch overhaul required.

Nuno - My Idea

Julian, #191, so you want Darren Hind then!

All names mentioned seem more like Bingham and Lee to me than Catterick and Kendall but no doubting this is a big appointment and with it an opportunity to aim for a European spot playing good football. Realistically that would be sound progress in the immediate aftermath of what has gone before for nearly a decade barring the Martinez first season.

I promised myself I would give the new manager 8 hours before I decided he was crap.

Remember Moshiri said when he recruited Ancelotti, that we had a squad of top-quality players and all we needed was a top manager to get the best out of them. Moshiri was wrong then and wrong now. Problem is he's in denial.

Moyes wouldn't be my choice either.

Remember when 69 year old Maurice Chevalier was asked how he felt now he was approaching his 70th birthday? He said he didn't like it, until he thought about the alternative.

Not getting behind Everton isn't really an alternative.

I mentioned Ralf Rangnick because we need someone who isn't a yes man - totally get this wouldn't sit well with Brands as DoF but he isn't doing it for me. I also appreciate he needs players to play his pressing game, but he's a smart man and is a bit of a German Bielsa or Wenger even - It's at the very least worthy of consideration compared to some of the other candidates mentioned.

If truth be told I'm at a bit of a loss mate, but Everton do need to get this one right that's for sure!!

The Echo is one of the worst. I have seen quite a few things in the last few years where the Echo were rubbishing reports as rumors until the "rumors" have been shown to be reality on the BBC football page.

I'm beginning to wonder what it is that Brands is actually responsible for, it appears he doesn't have much say on who should be recruited as manager.

Many on here seem to think re-hiring Moyes will result in a better transfer policy for Everton, so that would make Brands' position redundant. It would seem that only Unsworth has any real contact with Brands when the pair watch the various youth teams play.

My belief is David Moyes should be installed by Monday on a 5-year contract. Time to bring the great man home and return us to our regular Top 7 – then we can build for Champions League. Time for some structure and realism. We are miles away from Champions League and most of us know it. Moyes will be honest and demand more than Carlo in work rate from the players. I want passion, desire and the shirt to mean something! Moyes is still the only manager who I saw get angry when players were not pulling their weight.

Our owner has spent nearly £500 million and got us no further. We need value for money and a manager who can pick up a bargain and improve the team. The boom and bust mentality must stop now. New stadium? We can't sustain the ups and downs of the past 8 years pouring money down the drain with no end result. We need stability!

Come home, David, and save us!!!

I wouldn't look no further than Duncan if only so I can see him scare the shit out of them when they underachieve.

Thinking about it, Nuno might be good in terms of continuity. In that there won't be a complete sea change in style of play and Nuno is used to working with a director of football model. Mendes made the signings. That means Brands can go for the some of the targets already identified and we won't have to wait until well into the summer to make signings.

When we are fishing in the same pond as Crystal Palace and West Ham it really sums up where we are. A mid table team at best

I want someone who gives us hope and let's us dream of bigger things

You've got to be mad though to regurgitate things like The Echo has said blah blah when it is really a rumour from FootballInsider (a clear internet journo) or some other net trawler like them.

In hindsight, my theory is that Carlo made sure that his squad was motivated in the Premier League games against the ESL mob, but in the other matches he wasn't bothered too much as those games don't grab the headlines on the European networks. It also shows that he's a good manager for matches involving the top sides but lacking when it comes to working out the dangers of those teams he deems inferior.

It's not Moshiri's fault that the manager couldn't get a tune out of his squad regardless of how poorly the squad is, particularly when he's paying the said manager a king's ransom to do the job.

And all the while he knows, if he's honest, that he's been exposed to the football-world as a non-entity, the owner of a club and a patch of ground right next to a crumbling decrepit riverbank, with a chairman who's led him to this point.

Any buyers out there?

No piffling offer refused!

We can't afford to waste time and money appointing another 2nd rate manager. I hope Real Madrid have paid £20M+ to nab Carlo. The remainder of his contract.

Nuno couldn't adapt a team and group of players he knew well to play 4 at the back successfully.
I don't understand why he wanted too after relative success with 5 at the back.

Another 'did well', but ultimately not good enough. Next.

Moyes is the minimum, the benchmark. If we can't get better, then get Moyes. But honestly, shows some ambition.

Mancini, Renieri, Wenger, Potter and Lampard are 5 I'd rather have.

I expect a period of national mourning for TAA will be declared by the assembled RS media pundits.

As to Nuno, I suppose it's the best we can get, but any managerial appointment is a huge risk. If the negotiations stall, I'd give the job to Duncan and give him until November to prove he's up to it by sorting out all the wasters in the squad.

He could take them all to Florida and show them the alligators close up. Even on land, our midfielders would be too slow to escape.

Everton persisted with a second rate collection of midfielders which just conceded too much territory by poor marking, lack of speed and weak tackling.

Our limited offence of DCL and Richie were expected to live off crumbs and they did well to score the goals that they did especially DCL. Richie was guilty of dropping his head a lot and didn't help his cause,

Some started the season no too bad i.e the new boys Doucoure, James and Alan but after they all had injuries they never really got going again.

I also suspect that Carlo became blase' about the situation thinking 4th.or 5th. was a shoe-in but he was unable to light a fire under the team when push came to shove.

Changes in personnel are inevitable after a season like this so let's all hope finally the right ones are made.

If you like to see a full back cutting the ball back, Nuno's your man.

I still think Moshiri was quite happy to see Ancellotti leave rather than having to sack him mid season. Like the JFK assassination the truth will eventually come out.

If it's Nuno so be it. No former managers thank you.

Yeah, he's a good shout because he .

What about Li Tie. He's China manager and played about as many games for us as Rooney did. So surely a shoe in

OK, I guess I'd be okay with Nuno. His Wolves always played highly organized, highly motivated footy and generally got the best out of their talent, especially last season. And the beard is cool.

Conte played 3 central defenders at Chelsea with Moses and Alonso as the wing backs.

Nuno lost twice to EFC last season - just saying.

Did the black cat run across the pitch when we playing Wolves and Silva was manager ? Did Carlo wish Nuno good luck when they embraced at the final whistle a couple of weeks ago ? Did they know then ?

Did Carlo realise he was flogging a dead horse when he mouthed WHY, Why to Godfrey against Sheff Utd ?

We are a bit lost, no identity, no structure, no real plan.

Brands is D.O.F. but has not really done his job - he's been restricted to selling off/loaning off players, and doing paperwork for Ancelotti's buys, or Moshiri's ego purchases. If Big Dunc was the man, maybe, just maybe Brands could actually lead the way and do what we hoped he was going to do give the club a long term strategy based on youth and potential.

If Brands could identify a good coaching team, and a no2 for Ferguson, a tactical brain to work alongside the 'coach', it just may be what we need.

A couple of seasons finishing 10th, but with a long term plan being implemented and a good guy at the helm may be acceptable.

But if we keep.finishing 10th, but keep changing managers, stockpiling dead wood and no plan for the long term, then it's just miserable.

If it's between Nuno and ginge the minge then I'd go for Nuno.

If it's between ginge the minge and fucking Iwobi then I'd go with fucking Iwobi any day of the week!!

People saying Wolves were unadventurous at Goodison less than two weeks ago . they had 9 corners in the first half alone. What they were missing all season it seemed was a focal point in attack. The young Silva just nothing like the injured Jimenez and their good work petered out in the last third.

For a bit of perspective under Nuno, they won at Man City Spurs twice, Arsenal, Everton, Liverpool and drew at Old Trafford, Stamford Bridge with games they did lose Often being close fought and entertaining where they gave it a good go.

I'm not saying he's the right man, I really don't know yet, but he's done enough with a Club that spent most of the previous 35 years out of the top division to seriously consider him.

I want Duncan to leave EFC and be a manager elsewhere and come back to EFC, when he is a success. I suggest WBA and he can sell us Perriera and take Iwobi on loan and Delph / Bolasie for free.

And hey Jack, was writing while you were. Sorry that EFC has given you some stuff to work thru, better times ahead man, I know it sounds pollyannish but I'm really not that type. I think Nuno could steer us through this but I've got to believe Dunc would just grab us and throw us forward.

If it's Dunc? All bets are off. Who knows what would happen. A Glaswegian Klopp? Or an Evertonian John Carver. Certainly be interesting

Playing counter attacking football? Isn't that where our best results have come from over the last few seasons? And the team we have isn't going to morph over the summer unless wholesale changes are made.

Not overly fussed for him though. A very Silva+ appointment if it happens. As with any new manager we get he has the same issues, need a new right back, powerful CM, need to add goals.

I'd still like us to try and get Poch, but failing that it's Dunc or Nuno for me.

The candidate list is really unaspiring to be honest, I would probably let Duncan F have a a go at it to be honest, it excites me more than any of the managers we are strongly linked with.

Raymond Goethals and Dino Zoff spring to mind.

The real key points will be how much Brands has to spend, how wisely he spends it and does Nuno still have the phone number of the agent that helped him at Wolves.

It's the hope that kills you.

Me too but then I think of recent events. Carlo says we need new wide players and attackers. Then The Echo say Brands says Anthony Gordon will be in the first team squad next year and we give Broadhead a new contract.

Buy to fix the right side and we are much better.

Best coach we've had this century and finished 7th in his first full season with a lot less money than the recent coach.

Nobody has got near him since he left and he had little to spend. I know he had his faults and has his detractors but the nonsense we've had subsequently...really?

The first thing I texted my boys when I learned Carlo was out the door was, "I hope we get the Holy Spirit in."

I would go from despair to jubilation were Nuno hired.

As a fellow Catholic I'm sure you're familiar with the 11 (no Judas) apostles quivering like cowards after the crucifixion. Espírito Santo showed up and the rest is history.

In which case, we could do worse than Nuno, mainly because he will be cheapish, and the money saved can be spent on trying to get players who can pass a ball forwards.

Not Moyes. For all the brickbats, he over achieved in his time with us, but second comings never work, and are sometimes disastrous.

I'm sensing a new era of pragmatism

I confess to making the mistake of enjoying it from a footballing perspective. :^(

I have the opinion that we have performed much less than our players are capable of for nigh on ten years. It would be nice to have a manager who could gee up the players. For goodness sake, I've enjoyed watching Leeds this year. Words I never thought I'd type. I don't know what Marcelo Bielsa did but I enjoyed it. There, I typed it again.
Strange days.

No offense mate but this is the moment when I go like Begbie from Trainspotting and say “so you're the ****” before starting a mass pub brawl. On the plus side, you've learnt a lesson.

Twenty six years without a trophy and he was in charge for 11 of them. Why would I not want him back?

Brilliant. Like, utterly brilliant.

That's how it will go down if we hire The Holy Spirit to run the show.

Seriously though, I really like this guy. Always have. I've thought he's a wholly underrated manager and what he did with Wolves was superb. I always enjoyed watching Wolves and was honestly jealous of how they played year before last.

For me he's the #1 choice without question. Surely Mosh will open up the bank and sweeten the deal to get him in.

Leeds have been an absolute joy to watch. Superbly entertaining football.

I can see the comments now - can't defend, leak too many goals, etc.

Who honestly gives a flying fuck?! We haven't won a damn thing in how long? Jesus above, just minimally entertain me on the ride, please!

If we played like Leeds I'd be thrilled, 100% down with that, right behind all of it. Why?

Because it would be fun again.

Koeman, Fat Sam, Silva - all just dour. The only joy I've gotten in my time is under Martinez! I did like Carlo a lot. But that was more down to the way he represented Everton. The guy is classy. Like blow on the coffee classy.

But the football was defensive and not inspiring.

I want my ass to be out of a sitting position when I watch again. It's been near what? 6-7 years since that happened?

Ergo, Leeds-like is just fine by me moving forward. Give me a bunch of 5-4, 4-3 score lines please. I honestly just want to see us playing "fun" football again.

My personal favourites are Rangnick and Galtieri and the hope that it is left in the hands of Brands rather than the clueless duo.

Havent heard a bleep from our CEO on this most important matter I suppose that just as well.

I think Nuno may get it, my 2nd choice is Duncan (being mentored by Joe).

Sounds like billy bullshit is desperate for darling David to return. Mosh wants Nuno. And Brands wants neither of them. I'm with Team Brands!

Exactly what I said previously, what he has done at RB Leipzig is nothing short of remarkable, he always has a clear plan set out has done wanders there. Very forward thinking coach.

The more I read about him the more attractive the guy at Atalanta seems.

Anyone yet know when next season starts as whoever it is, and his staff, will need to move to the area, get upto date on the current playing staff, work out which areas take priority in terms of improvement and then start pre-season at least a month before the first game.

And then this schedule needs to be cross-checked with Mr Moshiri's and has Mr Ryanstev(?) made any comment on anything recently or does he only speak on yachts in Monaco?

You don't think too much of Nuno then?

The difference in elite sport is the mental side. A top manager relies on others to become successful. He has to instil in the mindset of his team to succeed and perform at the highest lead.

The last few managers have had various degrees of tactical ability but haven't brought the best out of our team.

I for one think there is enough ability in this squad. We haven't had a manager who can consistently get the best out of the team.

Ferguson may just be the man, getting his team to run around like Biesla, because it is Everton they are playing for. Not a £50,000 week contract with just another club.

I love the fella. Idolised him as a player, never doubt his love for the club and was made up when he did so well as a caretaker manager.
However, I was worried it wouldn't be able to last. For the same reason you gave. Maybe it would have, and that would (have been) the dream scenario but the team had already run out of steam in his last match v Arsenal.

Nuno is a sound if unspectacular choice. He would most likely keep us in the top 10 though the football would probably be dull. As an affordable low risk move it may make sense to Moshiri.

I'd love to see someone who tries to get us playing some better stuff like Rangnick or Potter but perhaps the transition would be too painful given our current players!

As has already been stated Duncs 4 game spell was enjoyable but it was running out of steam. We won 1 match.

Off on a tangent, gegenpresser is an interesting one. The tactic of trying to instantly regain possession after losing it by staying high and putting pressure on the ball immediately rather than dropping and forming shape. You need the players to do that. Repeat warning; we need better players, not just a new manager.

My fear is that he's out of reach being Director of Football at RB Leipzig. But, if we were bold and went for it, Brands' position could be in doubt for that reason. He's already operating at that level at a club in the Champions League. Unless Moshiri moves Brands to more of a "C-level" position.

The man doesn't take shit and builds from the bottom up. He's managed big clubs, he's dropped to the lower leagues and got teams promoted. He's developed youth. He's a German coach, they are well rounded in covering all bases.

I'd love that one, but just can't see it. Seems increasingly likely we'll end up with Nuno, but let's see.

Oh and in a fantasy land far away, should that one happen, health warning. Zonal marking. It's what they do. But you need the players to do it well. We need better players.

Off to play my scratched records!!

I'd be happy with Nuno as a I think we are a project he will throw himself into , sometimes it's about the right man at the right time. Nuno has had good experience, is a good age to make the next step. The vigour, energy and motivation will be there.

I'm a bit of a dreamer but maybe Nuno is this right man at the right time to turn Everton around and give us some much needed success.

Moyes and Benitez are both very good mangers but the divisions they would cause could create a Big Sam syndrome. ie When things take an inevitable short term downturn fans will be on their case big time , they'll be struggling to operate in that vitriolic and toxic environment.

Then they can succeed, fail and be judged on their own decisions and basis.

Too much emotional influence remains at Everton and it seems to still be there with this latest appointment. I hope I get proven totally wrong, but I'm not sure I will be.

Okay maybe more than 12 months, but not quite 2 years??

Colin, I hope this is true. This has to be Moshiri and Brands making the call, whoever they go for.

And despite my or anyones wishes (I know mine now), there is an element of realism in who we can realistically target given where we are. Unless we can sell the "project" again.

Unfortunately though I can't see it happening and we'll disappointingly end up with Nuno, which I don't think will be a bad choice but can't see him shaking things up and taking us drastically forward

I think it would be better if there was a total clear out of the old boy network and some fresh ideas, new training regimes, and a winning mentality was brought to the club. Everton should embrace the changes as necessary and not fear it.

Originally I was in the wait and see who they appoint camp. But inevitably you get sucked into the who it should be debate.

I'm going with Rangnick as my ideal choice, but I know that is not realistic and probably not even on the table.

So I agree, right now, for where we are, Nuno is probably the best choice for Everton given what is available. To a previous point, it plays to us having a fairly sizeable South American contingent + Gomes, so I can see the logic there. It also seems to be where Brands' scouting network looks.

"With no European football next season to consider, there is a solid base for the next manager to build his new ideas and start the club on what will be their latest project."

So failure to get into Europe provides a solid base.

Can anyone think of analogous solid bases? For instance:

"I've lost my job and my house has been repossessed. This now provides the solid base on which to build my future."

"My ship has capsized and sunk to the bottom of the ocean. I am flapping around out at sea, unconstrained by the design of my former ship, but it does give me the right sort of solid base I now need to move forward."

Solid base? More like a squashy blancmange.

He's a young, modern coach who has improved every team he has joined and has an identifiable style/philosophy which produces pleasant football to watch. Sounds good right? Though I thought exactly the same of Marco Silva!

Mike, simple fact is we don't know. It just seems odd. I'm struggling to think of (but happy to be corrected on) a top club, in the modern game, that departs ways with the manager on several occasions yet retains one of the most important coaching positions (on paper).

Even when Ancelotti brought in his own (Davide), there seemed to be some arrangement that Ferguson retained a prominent position as Assistant Assistant Coach.

Many talk about ex-Evertonians being the only ones who've won anything for us as manager. Me more than anyone understands that sentiment (key word). But let's look at this.

Howard Kendall; arguably one of the best English midfielders of his generation. His talent unrecognised by his national team as much as it should have been. Won a league title in what some call the best Everton team they've seen playing alongside 2 of the other best players they've ever seen. Cut his teeth managing elsewhere before the Everton job came calling.

Joe Royle. Played in the same title WINNING team. Cut his teeth elsewhere as a manager before the Everton job came calling.

Duncan. As Joe Royle put it; was always in danger of becoming the legend before the player. And he did. Played in mostly average teams and personally as a player, never lived up to expectation. Even when he went to, what was at the time, a better team that he could have excelled at, he didn't quite cut it and came back.

I don't wish to be harsh. I love Duncan. I love his passion. I love his love of my Everton.

But he is someone who has always shown potential but never reached the heights. If that's what people want because he loves Everton and is passionate, then appoint me.

For me Potter would be the most exciting of the three. I agree that what he has actually achieved doesn't look as shiny as Nuno or Eddie but I feel he has done it from much less backing.

People are obviously impressed by how his teams play but I see him like a hybrid of the best of Moyes and Martinez. Like the Scot his teams defend quite well and he has a superb eye for a player and especially the bargain basement types. Whereas like Martinez he always picks a player who fits in with his philosophy and knows how to build a squad and takes the game to the opponent fearing no-one.

The worry like you is that his teams aren't just as clinical as a Martinez and there is a doubt about his teams getting over the line. Whether having better quality finishers at Everton mean there is no ceiling to what could be achieved is the exciting part as his teams create endless chances.

The real key points will be how much Brands has to spend, how wisely he spends it and does Nuno still have the phone number of the agent that helped him at Wolves.

It's the hope that kills you.

Agree, I think Potter has done really well with Brighton and it's great to see these teams coming up, staying up and trying to play football the right way.

But your Silva point. I'm scarred from us appointing managers who have been down there and taking a gamble on them.

Maybe the timing is wrong for Potter. The telling point will be next season when they are not a surprise anymore.

Look at Villa versus Sheffield United this season. This time last year, people would have been screaming for Chris Wilder, whereas if we'd have been considering the Villa manager we'd have all been having kittens.

I think with Potter, and this isn't related to Everton, its wait and see. I hope he does well as he's trying to do the right things. But then so was Martinez.

That's why I'm more comfortable going with proven rather than potential given where we are and want to be.

The fact that Moyes is shamefully in the running proves that the biggest mistake made by Moshiri since he bought the club has been retaining Kenwright, the charlatan who presided over the longest run of failure in our history.

Utterly depressing.

Anyway, I said yesterday that I didn't have the energy to get swept up in yet another managerial search, but that clearly didn't last.

I would allow Duncan to have a shot. Why? Firstly, he won't ask for a massive big contract. Secondly, Brands would make the call of who we're signing, young with potential. (I don't like the idea of 29ish players being bought for a large sum and long contracts.) Thirdly, he has shown he can motivate players to play and not worry about changing shape. If Chelsea can allow Lampard to have a go, why not let Duncan try?

Hopefully the link below works

I would be reasonably happy to see Duncan Ferguson be offered a chance. Not sure if he would necessarily be the right man to lead us forward in the long term but be would certainly not suffer fools gladly as this link possibly demonstrates if it works. It would also end thoughts on whether he is good enough to lead our club, bit like the Alan Shearer stint at Newcastle and Dalglish's second coming at Liverpool (although those didn't end well).

Link

Reading the Everton comments I get the sense that folk are split between the ‘young, hungry' manager and someone more proven.

My feeling is we tried a Hollywood manager who simply used us to wait for a bigger job. We were his £11m holding pattern. We also aren't going to risk a relative unknown like Potter or whoever. Those guys might be a busted flush next season, and I'd rather it was with another team.

Nuno seems like to best of both worlds, and most key would be able to get the most out of our better players, including James. In terms of attracting players of caliber - Ancellotti did that and it didn't work. As others have said, we are a mid-table team with higher aspirations. Sadly our club seems to lack the durable culture to deliver on those aspirations. Time and again we look to appoint managers who have appeared to make teams more than the sum of their parts. And when they arrive at GP they tend to fail to repeat the magic.

So Nuno for me simply because he has built decent teams and achieved beyond their expectations. We offer enough scope to stretch his previous achievements and take us higher up the table. Past experience tells me we have to work on delivering the basics right on the pitch and the culture behind the scenes before dreaming of trophies and European football.

And I am mindful of Alex Ferguson's comment about goalkeepers never making successful managers but…it's a thin market for managers.

The time was not right 18 Months ago, my personal opinion, he is ready now to at last try and get some pride and passion back, surely at worst, he should be on the short list.

My choice would be Zizou. Surely you would at least make the call and ask him after what he said on leaving Madrid. He wants something long term, is a proven winner and the 1st time he left Madrid they dropped right off, came back CL semi and 2nd la liga. Automatically gains respect as a worldly ex player and 3 time CL winning Manager and obviously doesn't care about reputation, got rid of Bale and James and bought in young hungry players from the youth system.

Zidane
“I'm not tired of coaching. I'm leaving because I feel that the club no longer gives me the confidence I need, it doesn't offer me the support I need to build something in the medium or long term”.

Frank Lampard also did well in his full season at Chelsea when they had a transfer embargo getting them in the top 4. Duncan has not had the same managerial experience.

Someone like Rangnick is likely to have a much broader influence on the vision and strategy on the football side, and that might change the brief for the manager somewhat, someone who is more of a coach who can implement Rangnick's brief. That would disqualify Nuno and especially Moyes. It might make Ferguson more of an option but like others, I have my doubts about his talent, if not his committment. In truth, if we purused Rangnick in the role described, he, not Moshiri or Billy, would be picking the coach.

Whoever gets the gig will last about 18 months tops, then get fired as we languish in mid table ad infinitum. Being an Evertonian is about being average at best. We never win anything, we never get anywhere, we never progress or improve to any great level and we've been rubbish to watch for years barring a short spell when Martinez was in charge.

The competition in the PL is way beyond us - we finished 10th last year on merit. It was absolutely where we deserved to be and I see nothing to indicate anything is going to change anytime soon.

Ancelotti said Everton aspire to play in Europe and that's it, that's the limit of our ambition, and he's right. If you employ a top manager but have an average setup and average footballers, you'll get average results regardless.

You could bring in Guardiola and we'd still be shit.

The transfer window opens shortly, and if we don't have a manager in place by then, we will not be shipping players out, and how can we recruit players if we don't have a manager in place? A new manager will have his own ideas.

It may even be that a new manager will come in, and have to assess what we have, and that will delay the rebuilding that we know is required.

We were in a great position this season for Europe, every game he played the same players, and the same subs, when things were not going well, he stuck by the same players, week after week, only 3 wins in our last 12 games of the season destroyed our chances of European football.

The players have to take some of the blame as well, but keep on playing the same players and same subs was obvious to everyone, that we needed to try something different.

So yes our ambition is to survive with Europe a bonus for the time being, but we had a fantastic chance of Champions league football, and we blew it big time.

The Manager has to take some of the blame for that.

One final point that another poster made and makes sense when you think about it, Carlo focused on the big teams and tended to get results, as the poster says world wide news when Everton beat one of the big boys, so hilighting Carlo more, than a win against The likes of Sheff utd, Burnley etc.

Whatever the reason, and no matter how poor some of these players are, we have a squad of well over 20 players, yet we seemed fixated of only around 16 of those.

Seriously though, there are some great points on here on all sides of the debate.

Paul @376. Yes, Moshiri needs to take ownership. This is his thing so stop taking advice of supporters like me & Blue Bill. Be ruthless, be brutal. John Moores was. Take control; you are in charge, so make your own decisions or trust the person you have employed to do so and that is not Blue Bill. I would give you the same sentimental nonsense about how I used to stand on the Gwladys Street and how great we used to be. I can do that.

Rangnick would be my choice, but yes, at this stage, he'd be more of a Brands replacement. He's just overseen developing Leipzig into a European force with good business sense based on great transfer dealings backed up with his his impressive coaching pedigree.

He's been supporting and overseeing the development of a 33 year old (Nagelsmann) who is now going to be the next coach of Bayern Munich.

Sadly not to be, so I guess it's going to be Nuno.

When things were at a very low ebb he managed to produce some high octane performances during his short period in charge. We played with an intensity that was subsequently not replicated.

If he gets the job I wish the best of luck.

I replied asking if the psychic could tell us who the next manager will be.

Let's see if he/she is any good!

I just hope that is not Duncan Ferguson or David Moyes.

But if it is, I wish them the best of luck as they will be the Everton Manager.

I have followed German football for many years and I'm a huge admirer of the way they take the long view by investing in the development of young talent. This applies to coaches as much as to players and it's no coincidence that we are seeing so many outstanding coaches emerging there while still in their 30's.

The call here from many for Ralf Rangnick to be named as our next manager is flawed in that I doubt even the man himself sees himself any longer as a front line head coach. However, what he is, what he has developed into, is a world class mentor of younger coaches aspiring themselves to become elite managers.

With that in mind I would not have a moment's hesitation in bringing Ralf to Everton if it was with the intention of working alongside someone who has all the potential and credentials but lacks the experience of management.

Ideally that candidate would have the following qualities: a winning mentality evidenced by a successful playing career, intelligence, both in terms of IQ and football intelligence, knowledge of and commitment to innovative football strategies and tactics, multilingual and at ease dealing with players and media from all over the world, genuine leadership ability again evidenced from a playing career, ability to relate to fans who crave success on the pitch but forgiving to anyone committed to Everton, a willingness to learn and the ambition to become a great manager. I can think of only one person who ticks all the boxes: Phillip Lahm.

I actually burst out laughing mate. The PR department must be full of comedians, their timing is impeccable!

Terry#398. Boom boom lol.

If anything, you'd be bringing him in to replace Brands in the current Everton set up.

But food for thought, and this is not going to happen, but coming in to mentor a younger coach. Now there's an idea. But the club probably don't even have his name on the list.

I just think that in his role as DoF at Leipzig, he wouldn't take the step down. Both in terms of club (that hurts) and position.

I agree, it's fantastic how the Germans figure out very quickly whether they are cut out for playing at the top level or coaching and make the switch early.

It's one of the many reasons why they have succeeded on the international stage better than most and continue to produce players and coaches of genuine top quality on a consistent basis.

Now some are proposing hiring our next manager from Wolves (finished 13th), Brighton (finished 16th) and Bournemouth (relegated and resigned). I always thought the idea was to hire a manager with a better track record than our own - not worse. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result.

The reason that media and pundits are pushing this calibre of candidate as that they don't respect us and don't want us to succeed. But we should expect better surely?

Conte, Galtier, Ten Haag and (possibly) Pocchetino are all potentially in play, so why would we even consider Nuno, Howe or Potter? If we can't get a top manager, I would actually prefer to give Duncan Ferguson his opportunity.

I'd love us to be that ambitious and bold.

I suspect we won't be.

But guess what, like everyone, I'll be here next season willing the next manager on!!

To be fair, the appointment of David Moyes from Preston was very successful (relative to our performances and situation) and doesn't fit with those other comparisons you have made. He was a young up and coming manager from the lower leagues who didn't have a history of mediocrity and failure to take clubs to the next level.

The other appointments and the ones we are currently linked with do fit your description though and I agree we should avoid.

I think we should either be looking at top drawer successful proven manager, or a younger manager with potential who has actually achieved something. Not simply done ok for a season or two. Someone like Neil Critchley. There must be others here or abroad?

Then the sentimental old fool in me wouldn't mind Duncan Ferguson either

Interesting. Since the 1980s, and I think George Graham being the last, there hasn't been an ex player that has won the league with their former team.

Sorry if I have unrealistic expectations for Everton, but that's where I want them to be. That's the expectation I grew up with and that's what I want.

Modern top level football doesn't hold much room for sentiment I'm afraid. But that's what we do and are good at!

Leave that to the fans.

We are Everton. We have won the league more than anyone other than United, Liverpool and Arsenal.

Start behaving and thinking like a big club. Like your predecessors who put us on the map did.

If you don't think that it will happen you can lay it at 6/4.

Not a very liquid market.

Take your time Everton, because having so many different managers in such a short space of time has left us with way to many shortcomings inside the squad, with the only stability seemingly coming from those who seem to have a job for life.

That's for the club to sort out. Just like they always have done.

I judge Everton managers and players on what they do on the pitch personally. I'm a supporter, not running the club.

Water under the bridge. This is why Everton is such a shambles and we never get anywhere - constantly looking backwards. I hate saying this, but I can absolutely see why supporters of other clubs laugh at us and our inflated opinion of where we stand.

I would also suggest there lies less a conflict between Brands and Ragnick than his would-be predecessor. As Steve points out we don't really want to jump on the merry go round and Carlo's Houdini act mean we really aren't prepared for this outcome.

Brands has a three year contract which could also be offered to Ragnick with a team working under him who would be ready to step up when the time is right. From what I know about Ragnick (won't be as much as Gerard) but his skill set is much different to that of Brands whose more of a contacts, negotiations, board role operator. Both have very similar belief in youth hence their interests are mutually aligned and would give us that vision we all desire.

Steve I don't think the three you mention are first on people's wish list it's just two are the bookies front runners dependent on what the club is putting out. I think like yourself it's a smokescreen but if we are going down that route many are decifering over which one they would prefer.

I wish the Echo would start doing the leg-work before putting stuff on their live blog. ToffeeWeb has more journalistic integrity than some of those at the Echo. I'm not disputing the originators of the 'news' but
a) I'm not convinced of their information
b) I haven't a clue who they are or who funds them.

Wild speculation based on what they've read on here or Twitter and other less reliable sources? or in the know on what happens behind the scenes at Goodison and elsewhere?

Reliable?

Is it in the outer Oort Cloud realms of possibility that he is covertly selling the project to Pochettino with a 500m Moshiri-Usmanov war chest over 3 or 4 years to build a top 4 side ready for the BMD?

Or is that possibility way beyond the Oort Cloud and heading towards Betelgeuse.

We had to buy that January. Has anyone checked where we were sat in the league until 2 forwards came?

Everyone with a working brain cell knew the deals we brought in were not ideal but we needed it.

It seems that personal opinions and narrative nobs will continue to bring his name up as often as it makes them feel good.

It was great last week when Narrative Nob Antonio gave the standard "Sams team have the big men up front" and Allardyce replied with facts.

Both forwards were smaller than Antonio but this nation is so fucking brain washed, he didn't even consider it.

So many one eyed views that all started with spoilt arse Wenger dropping points to Allardyce. Ooo they play long ball. He had great players at Bolton and beat Bayern Munich away.

Its unlikely an Evertonian under 30 will ever see a result like that.
Not saying he is great either but this Narrative is pathetic..

And footballers are just as stupid coming out with shit like Antonio.

My ideal situation is to see Rangnick come in, Brands remain but be more on the board level (maybe replace Kenwright?) and have Ralf mentor an up and coming coach.

Not asking for much I appreciate. And I know how unrealistic that scenario is.

But if Rangnick is an option in any capacity? Yes please.

Why would Nuno be Silva mark 2? Because he's Portuguese? Nuno got a Championship team promoted and then took them into Europe. That shits all over Silva's CV (in the UK, at least).

Nuno wouldn't be my first choice but we have to be realistic. I think even Potter would be worth a gamble, assuming the big boys aren't interested in us. How are managers like Potter ever supposed to become big boys anyway? Yes I'd prefer someone with trophies on their CV who might get us one soon, but does that person exist? I judge people like Potter by how he gets the team playing with the players/resources available, not by how glamorous his current employers are.

“It just seems odd. I'm struggling to think of a top club, in the modern game, that departs ways with the manager on several occasions yet retains one of the most important coaching positions”

It's really not that unusual or automatically indicative of some malign corruptive influence. Off the top of my head there's Freddy Ljunberg who was retained as assistant manager at Arsenal when Arteta took over, both Mike Phelan and Michael Carrick remaining as joint assistants to Solskjaer at United and Brian Kidd still kicking around at Man City after Guardiola moved in. That's without taking into account the many other back room roles filled by blokes the new boss might not be bezzies, or even barely acquainted, with. It was reported at the time that Tuchel was taking 3 new members of coaching staff with him to Chelsea after Lampard left, so unless one of them was going all Jamie Madrox, Multiple Man on the motherfucker then there are many more roles being performed by people already in situ at the club than there are personally selected by him.

A vastly experienced ‘winner' many lavished premature praise upon produces the sort of rank performances not seen since shouts for Preki to be brought on was the bloody highlight and the blame, once again, somehow lies with any ex-blues employed by the club in an auxiliary role?

How much influence do people believe Ferguson had on those performances because, to me (the Sheffield United game being a recent example that springs to mind), he looked the picture of frustration trying to get his point across to the ‘legendary' Boss Nass looking bloke who blanked him and never bothered to lift a finger, instead preferring to stand there looking totally non-plussed.

This was a guy who installed both his son and his son-in-law….neither of whom have had a paid footballing gig not handed them by their Patriarch…. key positions at the club, but it's the ‘jobs for the boys network' of Unsworth and Jeffers who were taking the piss?

The Ancelotti family's beloved Dandie Dinmont Terrier must have been devastated it wasn't born with dick and balls because Dunc's job would have done it down to the ground.

Being told to fetch a board, stop growling and not being let off the leash in public? That's the life…and if your master leaves a huge pile of human sized shite on the way out they're hardly going to point the finger at you for that, are they?

If Moshiri imposes another ageing Hollywood manager on us, no matter whether or not it's a good fit, Brands should walk. I'm sure he could get a job somewhere else at a club that would actually let him do his job.

John Kavanagh; you've just reminded me of my first visit to the Vatican when my wife asked why the Pope puts a "towel" out of his window as we watched a Sunday service. And my then 6 year old son's suggestion she shouldn't be there because she was was Protestant. I'd obvious overdone the Catholic thing on him!! He actually got his pronunciation on that wrong and outraged his mother, but I won't repeat on here as it would be inappropriate.

We had a family discussion and corrections in the English language after that visit!!

It's very easy to understand why the players have stopped following Ancellotti, if the rumours are true that he told them all to have a good summer after they just got tonked five nil, because getting a new manager in might have just fucked up a relaxing summer for a few of the squad now

I'm thinking James won't play for us again, actually, did he play for us- I mean in front of a crowd?

If thats true he has played us.

I read that too and apparently its the norm with a lot of top managers these days

And no, Allardyce was not appointed to save us from relegation, he was appointed because Moshiri couldn't get who he wanted, Marco Silva, and lardy arse was the only one available. And no, we were never going to get relegated, despite what you think. Anyway Jonathan, what do you think of Bramley Moore dock, seeing as you were harping on for about three years that "There's going to be no new stadium" ?

Oooops, there I go again, I must have been monitoring your posts!! 😁😁😁

But the only person who can shape things up, stop being sentimental and bring in the right candidates to do a job is Moshiri

It is reported Ancelotti is keen on raiding his former club for the Brazilian winger as he regards him as 'capable of playing for and shining at the Spanish giants'."

That's no surprise, was waiting to see when the rumour would pop up

The first thing to establish is a proper working relationship with Brands. If Mosh signs Conte he's quickly gonna have to spend big, as per Conte's established way. That's seemingly not in keeping with Brands brief though, and Mosh seems to have not wanted to spend big for Carlo's choices. Signing a top-rank winner and then denying him the quality of player he needs to work with is just bonkers.

Nuno and his successor at Porto are not dependant on expensive signings to achieve success. Both seem to able to sign/develop good young players but only one of them has notable Premier League experience.

Ten Hag has been around a good while and speaks Dutch so he should be very compatible with Brands, and it wouldn't be the first time we've had to listen to double-dutch from the boardroom would it?

Moyes.......

"Nurse, more tablets please! NOW!"

I highly doubt that rumor. But if it's true then it's fine by me as long as we take them to the cleaners with the fee. Then again they're broke

I hope those rumours are to recruit him to play in our midfield!

Ive got a spare abacus if you want it mate

Never committed.

The maths don't add up.
Thats why two things will happen.

He's here for the long term.
Or stadium wont happen

I remember Barcelona, playing Liverpool, who ended up losing Steve McManaman to Real Madrid, on a Bosman, when they put the idea in his head, that they were prepared to sell him, and rather than searching for the stars, I'd rather see Everton concentrate on becoming a much more ruthlessly professional football club, whoever gets the managers job next.

Oh, and to add fuel to Richi going this summer, he was seen in the Bluebird restaurant in Chelsea a couple of days ago. No doubt with his agent sorting out his summer move.

I don't know for sure, because I'd given up on him and Kenwright being in bed together, but I'm sure it was his actions once he'd left Everton, that turned most people against him?

It's all water under the bridge now anyway, because even if I could see the wisdom in Martinez embracing our past, I hope the next manager is only interested in the future

Should we not consider whether or not Brands is part of the solution or part of the problem? Are we sure about Brands? I get he wants to develop younger talent but what DoF doesn't. Genuinely, what difference has Brands made? Hate dragging Moyes into this, but his capacity in the transfer market compared to this Guy is chalk and cheese. Are we missing what's right under our nose here, that the infrastructure needs an overhaul and the very person who we see as being critical to our success has been part of the mess all along.

Just playing devils advocate here, but it's a fair point and worthy of our thoughts.

You can't say "quite disturbing in fact," and leave us hanging mate

I will also note that I don't remember this being a critique of Carlo. It was more "he's past it" or he doesn't have galacticos to bail him out so failure is eminent. If he returns Real Madrid to the top in Spain while Barca are in spasms and Atleti sell a couple then the "past it" critique is strained. Florentino obviously needs a fix and Carlo wanted an out and we really don't know how and when that all played out. That definitely makes the magician presser even more interesting than a dress down of the players.

The bottom line from Robert gets to it. We have to consider a coach whose incentives are lined up with us. Think of what Silva said even though he did not have the skills, "I need stability and Everton needs stability". If we get someone who can get us into competition for a CL place and they are always willing to get out of the NW then we don't need that. Not sure where this gets us in the present search since there is a myriad of reasons why we can't just take our time here.

Whether he was coerced by United into rocking the boat or not, that was the moment he lost me and most other blues.

I actually agree however, that in comparison to the damage that Ancelotti has just done by walking out on us like he did (and before that in what has clearly been a highly paid Davide apprenticeship) that Moyes betrayal was MINOR in comparison. I can even forgive Rafa and the small club barb too, after this crap.

I don't want either as next manager, but I would accept them. As with most on here, I want the coach with the vision of doing a Dortmund, Lille, RB Leipzig, etc. and finding the best up and coming talent about, and giving them the platform to show it.

I honestly don't see anyone giving Carlo 'a free pass' leaving us 'cos it's Real Madrid.'

I do see a good number stating a truism. RM is a mega club, like it or not, and when they come calling it's very hard for a manager or players alike to knock them back.

What disappoints me is that for all his fine words in his time at Everton, his condemnation of the Dirty Dozen led by his new employer, the still unrepentant RM Presient Florentino Perez, and how in his autobiography Carlo describes himself as a football traditionalist, a man of loyalty, honesty and integrity, he has displayed none of that in his decision to jump ship as he has.

I have already speculated how much the house break-in in February and the drawn out terminal illness of his first wife, the mother of his two children, impacted and influenced his decision over and beyond football related matters.

But he doesn't get a 'free pass' from me as his unexpected departed seriously undermines our summer planning in a year already impacted on by the pandemic in which the Euros, Copa America and the Olympics are all taking place.

I'll add my voice to those asking Rob Halligan to expand on what he has heard about Carlo's departure.

"We've joined Burnley, Palace, Newcastle and the rest, it's now all about coming 17th and above, anything else is a bonus, we're in the prem, do we actually need to win things?"

I can stomach Nuno if he has a good go, but I think he's basically another Carlo type tactics wise. Moyes? God, what a dull appointment by a tired board out of its depth.

Its being widely reported here that Ancelotti's people contacted Real to let them know that Ancelotti wanted out of Everton and because of a clause in his contract they wouldn't have to pay compensation. Now I could accept him accepting an offer from one of the biggest clubs in the world, but it seems he instigated the whole thing. I thought he was an honourable man, but with it seeming he engineered the move, then to add insult to injury in his first press conference at Madrid he said he was now at a club who wanted to win the Champions league. Whereas according to him Everton werent capable of winning the league and we apparently were happy going into the last few matches with a chance of qualifying for Europe.

You never get the sense that anyone but Moshiri, picks the manager, and the club have seemed to change track with regards the transfer policy more than once, so what is Marcel Brands, real mantra?

Don't get me started on anything else, but something doesn't feel right, but maybe it's just the length of time away from attending the match, that makes me feel uneasy about something, that I can't quite put my finger on.

He cost us the semi final against Liverpool at a time when Liverpool would have lost to a championship team and had a third choice goalkeeper playing. Oh and who can forgot going 2-0 up at Goodison against a rocking Liverpool managed by Roy Hodgson, Moyes went defensive, he will always be a glass half empty guy.

I'll always remember Wigan hitting the post twice and literally ripping up apart in the fa cup while he stood there completely clueless as to what was going on around him.
Oh and as for those who think he would do better with better players he had exactly the same mindset when he was at Manure, The embarrassing Man.Utd performances in Europe under him was what really got him the sack there as he was shown up for being totally clueless.
I don't understand how anyone who knows anything about him would want him to return.

As for Richarlison going, he will force a move citing wanting ECL football as the reason. I'd be fine with that for the right fee. But on one condition. He cannot sign for any of the ESL 12. Time for us to start fighting back, even if it's only plucky little Everton.

I think I'd stop going if Moyes came back, but maybe the people who want Moyes, just want Everton to find a bit of stability, because it's something that has been sadly lacking for a very long time now?

"I have already speculated how much the house break-in in February and the drawn out terminal illness of his first wife, the mother of his two children, impacted and influenced his decision over and beyond football related matters."

OK - so the trauma left him unable to continue with thoughts of football.

"I do see a good number stating a truism. RM is a mega club, like it or not, and when they come calling it's very hard for a manager or players alike to knock them back."

Wow, what a club that is! Can heal and sweep away all the trauma and quickly refocus one's mind on football. With the added benefit of expunging any bitter memories of a relatively recent sacking, too. And all for half the salary, with "No money" to invest in players.

This has all been engineered, in various proportions by the various actors in the process, to obtain what they all want - as it always is of course. I'll leave people to guess what Ancelotti wanted out of the deal.

Sounds like Rob H has a CHIS working inside the club who could provide the answer. Mother of God!

Once Ancelotti got wind of the Real Madrid vacancy, he set his heart on a return to them. He had also become very disillusioned with what was happening at Everton. He had basically "as good as given up on the job" It all came to the boil following the man city game, when he just walked straight out of the Etihad, not going back to Liverpool on the team bus. From that day onwards he had not been seen or heard from, by anyone within the club. Ancelotti had his agent make contact with Real Madrid last week, and it was as good as sorted then. It was only announced on Tuesday, 1st June, when most contracts start / begin. So I assume by that, that was when Zidane's contract ended.

During the few days following the man city game, Brands, who apparently did not get on at all with Ancelotti, called a team meeting with the first team and U23's. He absolutely tore into them, slamming the players for their lack of effort and their attitude throughout the season, and they should all be thoroughly ashamed to wear the blue shirt of Everton. In particular, Iwobi, who Brands called "A total waste of Fucking space" and Bernard, who will "never play for the club again" according to Brands. He also slammed Richarlison, Mina and Holgate for their attitude in games, and apparently there have been at least on three occasions when Richarlison and Holgate have had to be separated after clashing after a game.

As I said, Brands and Ancelotti did not appear to get along at all. As we all know, Brands wants to sign younger players, Ancelotti older more experienced players. Josh king was definitely a Brands signing, who Ancelotti didn't want, hence the reason why he hardly got a look in.

So it seems a total clear out is required. Brands needs to, and MUST, be the only person involved in appointing a new manager.

P.S I was halfway through typing this when I had to go out, otherwise it would have been posted earlier, so apologies for leaving you all in suspense!!

Bill is staring at his signed photo of David Moyes, which he recently got at the London Stadium, following Everton's narrow victory there. His cell phone vibrates on his desk. He answers it.

Bill - Where the hell are you?
David - I'm still in bloody London, I don't want to hear excuses, are you bringing me back or not?

Bill - It's not that easy, that Iranian bloke watches me like a hawk, and Carlo's family are everywhere.

David - Well, I Cannae wait forever man, the porno kings aren't known for their patience y'know.

Bill - I'm trying my best. breaks off as the door opens violently, Bill tries to hide his phone and throws his autographed picture under his seat.

Carlo lurches over the shaken impresario and in a quiet but forceful tone asks Bill "is this what it's come to, I give you all those away wins at grounds you could only dream about winning at and you still want me replaced by the Dour Ginger one"?

Bill - "Carlo, Maaaaate it's not like that, I was trying to see if I could get Davey, erhum Mr Moyes to sell us a good winger for a decent price" "I know how much you've wanted the board to be proactive and I was only trying to help"

Carlo - "Do you think I am stupid, I have met your type before, I'm ringing the president of Madrid to tell him I'm available.

Bill - No Carlo! Please! Don't tell Mosh, he'll make me clean his yacht again!

Carlo - "Too late!" "Your fate is sealed"

Carlo slams the door shut behind him as the disembodied voice can be heard from Bill's phone "Bill, are ye Okay, Bill what's happening?

Brands definitely has to be central and to have the final say on the new manager or the same will happen again. I hope they've learned from their mistakes. It's essential that the DOF and manager are on the same page with a unity of recruitment strategy. What an absolute mess.

If it's truth at Brands tore into the players , good on him , about time someone stood up and said it.

As for him telling them off, I fuckin hope he has.
Shitbags went through the motions on many occasions last season.

This lot ie the squad have seen off too many managers now. Too many egos. As for senior management I believe its fairly obvious Moshiri and BK want different things. In my opinion we are still a "museum", though the exhibits are beginning to rust they are that old. Too many ex pros leeching off the club and seeing Mr Blubberer as an easy touch. "Hi Bill gizz a job".

I see Morecambe are now looking for a manager may I suggest Ferguson applies and takes Unsworth as his No2. Lets see what they can do in the real world. If they are a success, EFC will no doubt give them an opportunity sometime down the road.

We need a total overhaul. As a business and as a Football Club we are a basket case. To get Carlo Ancellotti and blow it - F*ck Me.

PS: Remember what Morgan said when he left for France - Its good to be at a well run club !!!

Is it along the same lines where there are too many fingers in the pie. Certain board members over ruling other peoples roles? Something I heard a while back but wasn't concrete.

I particularly hope the Iwobi part is true. He is a DISGRACE.

He brought Iwobi in to improve Silva's squad after we just lost Zouma and Gueye. Gbamin he was unlucky with but he was a poor target for replacing Gueye.

Silva's season ended great that year and even Walcott was looking a threat but the following window was a Brands mess.

So Brands berates Iwobi, as one of his signings. Plus another, King, is not exactly a young up & coming player of the profile he apparently favours. Call me old fashioned but I'm not sold on the whole DOF concept anyway.

If this is all or mostly true, I think Carlo needs to release a corrective addendum to his biography, regarding his character.

As a long-termer in the "Something in the fabric" camp, the other dramas wouldn't surprise me at all.

Who needs Emmerdale Farm when there's Finch Farm.

The club has gone backward since Moshiri came ( or the team I should say) and theres no other way to desrcibe it.

Is Blue Bill selling tickets for the next Richy Holgate fight? It would certainly be more entertaining than the football being served up.

For me, Carlo was simply the Italian Walter Smith.

I don't believe for one minute he tore into the first team squad in that fashion using that kind of language.

"(In particular, Iwobi, who Brands called "A total waste of Fucking space")"

That's a player he signed lol. If you said Big Dunc did then fair enough but Brands I aint buying it sorry no way.

Remember Baines battered Eto and Anichebe was sent home by Moyes for wearing red boots in training. All from great Sources.

Daniel 556 me neither mate it makes no sense for a director of football to alienate players. He'd be worried he might sweat in the heat of a rant.

https://mobile.twitter.com/joepompliano/status/1400245761854652417?s=24

If Brands is that involved it is almost impossible for us to keep a manager because who likes their toes stepped on?

As you know rumors run wild in this city and you have to take most of them with a pinch of salt, but a lot of what you say kinda makes some of the pieces fit.

I think some of it is a bit of embroidery - I don't think he would single out Iwobi and call him a waste of space, even if it is true, but I'm buying most of that.

Colette 405

Well you've certainly narrowed the field down girl. Great post

If half of that is right Brands stock has risen 100% and Ancelotti nailed as a spineless con man in my view. Perhaps Brands can be the guiding hand the club needs at board level certainly it feels like the first glimpse of light in this farago.

The EPL being so physical is no country for old men and we definitely need more young, strong, athletic players, with of course a sprinkling of old heads and a player or two who can actually pass the ball. Also coaches and trainers who can condition, motivate and organise them into a proper team.

I think the terrible end to the season can only be explained by internal club problems causing a collapse of morale, so let us hope a new broom will get of the bad eggs, to mix metaphors.

The moneyball approach is to sign good promising players aged 22 or younger and sell them at a profit five years later. Doses anyone know Nuno's attitude to youth?

I did think Carlo and Brands got on at least socially because of the public endorsement Carlo gave him when Brands contract was coming up. However the players they both wanted seemed more at odds and contentious.

I read somewhere that Iwobi was actually a Moshiri signing from being a fan from his Arsenal board member days. I did put the blame on Brands but if he tore into him like that, and rightly so, maybe he was a Moshiri indulgence signing

The funny thing is, Real Madrid will be a tougher job as they are a complete mess of a squad. Carlo had it cushty here, no pressure as he had 59 points in the bag and I reckon by adding 3 good players could have got us in the mix next season for 5th or even 4th with a few more points. I think he's a top coach, but will struggle to get going at Real. There's no young Ronaldo or Gareth Bale there anymore.

For our new manager interviews, the board should ask:"What do you think of Simms, Gordon, Branthwaite and Nkounkou?" If they don't know the squad well then pass. We can't wait until the last day of pre-season or late in the transfer window before the new manager decides on who he needs for next season.

And agreed Jason, that does indicate the mutual need for this arrangement. Florentino's is obvious and we're presently speculating on Carlo's motivation and timing. All we know is that it was preferable to Everton at the prices quoted.

'One flew out of the Cuckoos Nest'.

PS: Have we signed a new manager yet ?

Argument that suits the agenda.
"There may be something in that Rob"

😁😁

What will Southgate do without a 4th right back?

When he got the opportunity he and his son and his backroom cronies fucking legged it.

I bet he left Duncan a note and a crate of Irn Bru.

I'm glad someone tore into the players and equally glad that while Brands bought many of the players mentioned, he had the honesty to describe them accurately.

I really hope this happened. Its noteworthy that there have been no 'goodbye and thank you' tweets. Even Mourinho got a few of those.

Thing is now the conundrum of who is, or will be in the frame for the job, I'm surprised Roger Rabbit hasn't been mentioned when it comes to frames !

I'm mild mannered in normal life and with my family but in certain professional circumstances I've been in and on the football pitch or in the changing room I'm a different beast.

If true, I hope Brands is finally taking control of the situation because someone needs to.

Darren Hind; echo your shout on Collette's post.

As a DOF, Brands should be the one selecting the next manager. I'd imagine like any other DOF, he already had a working list drawn up of potential replacements. I read something a while back when Les Reid was the DOF down at Southampton, that he would have a regular updated manager 'transfer target' list ready to go in case anything happened to their current manager.

To be honest, I can't see the 3 names linked to us by the media even being on his list. Moyes has literally had his first good season in management since leaving us all those years ago. Speaking with my WHU supporting friend, this year has basically been the same as our 4th placed year. He said they had a few good games, but it basically boiled down to that they weren't as bad compared to some of the other teams that they played. He said if the season had lasted a few more weeks, that they would have completely fallen out of European contention as they were completely burnt out from the season.

Nuno is also a no for me. For all the praise he gets for that Wolves team, a big portion of it is from Jorge Mendes bringing in half the Portuguese national team. The promotion year was expensively funded and created the strongest ever Championship team. They absolutely romped the league that year, but I believe they faced FFP issues the following season because of it. Riding off that success and more Portuguese players they had two successful seasons following but the style was very defensively pragmatic. Last season they were awful, while some of the injuries maybe a factor, they brought in replacements but the football was basically as dour as ours, if not worse.

This also goes for Howe too. He gets lauded for his achievements with Bournemouth, but to be honest when looking at the facts, they aren't that impressive. While being small in statue, they had a whole bunch of funding behind them from their Russian owner. The rise through the divisions was from his heavy funding. They and he finally got found out as they couldn't defend, very similar to Martinez. The lack of a plan B was his downfall, and if he was such a big draw, why has it only been Celtic that have shown any interest in him since his departure?

Lets hope Brands has something up his sleeve, as well as some clubs lined up for the players he laid into. Wouldn't it be ironic that we go and play in the States, and none of our South American contingent will be still at the club.

Was it Archie Knox with the baseball bat back in the day?

You very rarely get the best out of people by publicly denigrating them or their colleagues in front of their peers. That has always been my experience in management, both in the field and in theory.

If this is indeed true, things are very grim indeed.

If this is true, it sounds like Carlo has decided I'm a celebrity get me out of here, and does make me relieved that he's left, because although I'm aware that some of the players are definitely not good enough, neither were the formations that he used, that had most of the lower teams, running us ragged at Goodison Pk, and had me scratching my brain, and making me wonder why he'd moved away from making us very hard to beat?

Plus mark my words if Pickford drops a clanger at the Euros he will be crucified and put on pitta bread by the red shite run media as payback for Virgil RIP.

I think it also underscores the importance of finding the *right* manager for the job, rather than obsessing over optics. We just had Carlo Ancelotti, and some are acting like we're a joke club with no ambition unless we throw a blank check at Conte or Pochettino.

If Brands were to determine that, say, Graham Potter (who I now seem to be fixated on) were the right guy... who really cares that he's coming from Brighton? Either he's up to the challenge or he's not.

On a side note, let's not get fixated on Josh King. He was a half-season rental brought in to provide cheap squad depth. You can't honestly think he's reflective of any sort of larger philosophy.

My most unpopular choice is Steven Gerrard because he would not tolerate for 1 minute the poor football Everton played for the whole of last season, when Ancelotti eventually gave up and moved on to brighter things with Madrid.

But if Nuno is appointed he is too much of nice person to comment about poor football again being played next season.

I am not doubting what you say, but I would question if your source got this completely right. What I find strange is 3 of the players he singled out were people he signed as DOF, Iwobi and Bernard, and Mina as for saying Bernard will never play for this club again, well of course he wont he is out of contract.

I said weeks ago that it was quite obvious that Ancelotti didn't fancy King so it seemed he must have been signed by Brands, and therein lies the problem. Because if you have 2 people who the owner allows to buy players then you are in serious trouble, especially if they don't see eye to eye. I am far from convinced Brands is as good as many think he is. But my biggest question is that if this meeting took place and Brands laid into the players, was our assistant head coach at this meeting and if not why not. He must have been just as aware as Brands that Carlo was gone and his son Davide would be going as well, so how come Ferguson wasnt making these speeches and seeing the U23s were also there I wonder if Unsworth was there.

So Ancelotti and his family, I assume his son and son-in-law went with him, found another way home which may have been the case for those players living nearer Manchester, and while it may be unusual, the season was over and would there have been any need to go to Finch Farm, Bill and Farhad most certainly wouldn't have been there and I would have thought that Brands would have an office in the Liver Buildings. In any case any falling out between senior managers should have been sorted out by the CEO and, noticeably, she gets no mention whatsoever.

I then wonder why the ever changing U-23s would be involved in any Brands tirade and what sort of manager at any level would single out individuals in any group meeting as they need only answer that they were following the manager's instructions. Similarly, problems with the U-23s should and would be better directed to the coaching staff responsible for them. Unless Mr Brands had merely called them together to announce that Mr Ancelotti was leaving.

How, when and why Ancelotti decided on the move to Madrid raises most questions as I assume that his family, most particularly his son and son-in-law, would have had to discuss the end of their employment with their nearest and dearest. And if Everton are not entitled to any compensation then most surely Real Madrid need to be cited for "tapping" a manager of another club.

Whatever, there most certainly is a lot more to be told which most probably won't be revealed for some years yet unless this sparks a move to completely revamp the Board.

Anyway, the most obvious explanation is usually the correct one: Carlo signed up in good faith for a rebuilding project, something he'd never done before. It turns out he's not very good at it, and he doesn't get on with his DoF either. Instead of qualifying for Europe, the team finish mid-table and he's flummoxed. What the fuck do I do with this shower of shite? Where's me Ronaldo? Meanwhile, there's a break-in at his home which leaves his daughter traumatised. Then his ex-wife dies leaving his son miserable. His agent says do you fancy Madrid again Carlo? Too fucking right I do, says Carlo, and off he trots.

No conspiracy theories, no storming out, no nothing. Just a bloke who has had a shit year, and has been offered a lovely get out of jail card - a year (perhaps) in lovely Madrid, playing in Europe, lots of decent players, great wine, great food, sunshine, and no scallies robbing your home. Take me with you Carlo.

Recruitment is essential to your company. Undertaken correctly it will result in you acquiring high-calibre, long-term assets for the company and will actually, reduce your future recruitment requirements.

Poor recruitment procedures and processes can only damage the company bottom line and will, in effect, increase your recruitment needs.

Current thinking on recruitment of Everton's board.

Next!

I hope you don't think I was having a pop at you because I wasn't. Just seeing as we were prepared to let Bernard go in January, even if he has 12 months left. I would be surprised to see him here next season.

Not saying it is in fact true but it does operate as a functional theory of what happened until you can get some facts that contradict.

Hopefully this time next season we're in a better place, Real haven't won a thing and Carlo is looking for another job.

Choosing such a manager as Potter, Moyes or Dunc, they would be through door faster than you could open the bloody thing.

Sitting in the middle of those two extremes sits Nuno or my own choice of Ten Hag.

I'd be amazed if we didn't at least try and get either of them.

He was looking to add Tom in one of his west end plays, As well as Managing our football club.

Now he is chasing Moyes so he and Bill can do a stage play of Shirley Valentine, Bill with his flowing grey locks playing Shirley, while Davey sits by the bar, playing ive got a brand new pair of kecks, on his bagpipes.

With Bill doing a reworking of those were the Days my friend, on cyrils crossbar then, I took my sweets and headed in the pen, in later years of goading, I formed the true Blue holding, ring fenced kings Dock, and lost Artetas cash.

Finishing with an encore of the famous hankey, dabbing his eye.

Moyes where's your trousers.

Some people don't learn.

After 18 months when the big volatile champions league clubs spew out yet another manager they will be off.
Leaving us back to square one. again.

Cloud cuckoo land to think anyone of that calibre would stay for 3-4 yrs at this club living on transfer fund handouts and trying to get a tune out of Siggy and Iwobi.

We need a sensible choice not another Hollywood vanity project who will just collect the coin and bide their time for a move to a bigger better club.

We need a long term manager.

Why wouldnt people believe you?
You are an honest poster on TW. Respected by all.
I believe you 100%

I was at Finch Farm on the Saturday they set off for Manchester (they were doing an overnight), and there was a weird vibe as they got on the coach.

The Richarlison / Holgate beef is true, and Brands and Ancelotti had pretty much broken down a while ago.

He didn't mention the Brands meeting but kind of confirms a couple of the things Rob says.

We need a right side in the transfer window and a manager these players can trust and grow with. I never thought Tuchel could do what he did with Chelsea, so it can be done with the right man in charge. Someone who is on the same page as Brands and... hopefully Moshiri takes the advice from the guy he is paying £2m a year to and not someone who wants to come in and rest on past glories while picking up Euro lottery money.

And if you look at the contention in Carlo's relationship with Brands, the fact he didn't make a European spot, and throw in family tragedy like deaths and his home being burgled maybe it's really no surprise Carlo's upped sticks for Real.

The beef between Richie and Holgate might be another factor as to why the stories been going around that Holgate's on his way out.

But if that's not the case, then big Dunc seems the best bet, at least we'd know if any player didn't give 100% they would have him to answer to in the dressing room. Hard to think of any other contender extracting the right response from our current band of misfit players.

Don't worry about critique as that's also one of the beauties of this site in that we challenge everything and are free to do so.

Re Carlo, my own impression is that he probably became quickly aware of the shortcomings of the squad, in terms of ability and/or spirit, attitude and desire etc. And why wouldn't he, having worked with some of the best players on the planet?. Some of his comments, such as not having the squad to play attacking football (twice I think he said that) and 'I'm not a magician' are pretty damning indictments of his playing staff, and maybe the writing was in the wall then, in hindsight. Dissapointed though in his comments about wanting to improve us year on year if he had doubts then, but perhaps in the end he just didn't have the stomach for it. Still think the players have to shoulder a fair bit of the blame, as alluded to by Seamus a couple of years ago.

Over to you Marcel, I only hope he can pull us out of this mess and turn us around.

Don't forget Duncan has been in that dressing room and training ground for 10 yrs, under numerous managers.

He hasn't helped to motivate them under any incumbent so far.

I think that about covers it

I don't want another yes man,talking about a great family club,doing yet more sterling work in the local community etc.

Just get us playing some decent footy,put some pride back and bring about a sudden end to a million and one fucking back passes,please!.

you posted it, explained initially, and that's enough. People can (and will) either believe or disbelieve it, right to the point that you show a video of it. Don't get yourself in trouble with any further detail, Matey.

That said, what was special about Carlo was the ambition Everton showed. Replacing him with Moyes, Lampard, NES just lacks excitement and belief.

Ancelloti was right because of everything he professed in his book about projects and loyalty, Conte wouldn't have that attitude or desire.

I don't have an answer which isn't depressing, but I lean towards Potter, Rangik, or the Southampton manager.

As I've stated many times before I want us to play a high line high, pressing tactic, so any manager who embodies this is right for me.

Lets hope he gets the right man and football comes home.

I have this strange urge to start singing Ding Dong ther Wicked Witch is dead

I wish I could say I'm astonished by any of that, but what we've seen on the pitch from some of these players certainly reflects your information about what's gone on behind the scenes. I'm only surprised a bit by the mention of Mina, whose effort in games seems complete and who also has been seen to call out teammates who needed it. But if he, Holgate and Richarlison must go, so be it. Iwobi is a Brands signing, so Marcel must take his share of responsibility for that error.

However, I agree that every step forward must now be placed in the hands of Marcel, for better or worse. Of all the honchos at the club, he has shown by far the best judgement, occasional errors notwithstanding.

And Rob, I'm biased, but if there's a TW Post of the Season award, I'd say you just locked it up.

And fair play Darren, I'll do doo wop background vocals to that if you'll have it.

Definitely the Carlo tones were changing across the last 6 games and his after match interviews were more and more dysfunctional to the point of being pointless.

Let's hope the club acts fast and a period of stability and genuine belief and hope and loyalty can be instilled into the new manager of Everton, and a new dawn of hope and success.

Will their be a decent war chest and which players will now seek to leave Everton?

The plot of who's coming in or not will hopefully go into over drive showing that Everton are doing their utmost to bring stability back into the club.

Hope this link works. It's a tactical video on Nuno. Definitely worth taking a look. It it doesn't just go to YouTube and search, Tactical Evolution of Nuno Espirito Santo. It's a video by Tifo football who always make very good videos for tactical analysis.

Shows him to be quite versatile and tactically astute.

Whether the basket-case known as Everton was beyond him, we might never know - or suspect we do already - but we have seen how youth was sparingly used, and that Carlo wanted the older established player he was comfortable with. This does not fit at all with Mr Brands, or even Evertons team building mission statement of investing in younger players, and could be another bone of contention between them.

Whatever, apart from the City game, I watched every match we played in, also got a refund on my season ticket for it, and after the heady days of September up to the home Derby, felt like a dog with 2 dicks. then the crash came, and despite our superb away record, the football, especially at home, was turgid. 8 defenders per game, no or few subs made, no driving influence etc. Thanks Carlo, but I thought we left that behind when the gravy man left.

As a director of the Company, Marcel Brands - not BK or DBB, or, even Moshiri - should press on with HIS transfer plans now, improve the team, and then solely appoint a manager who can coach, coax and motivate the current bunch of misfirers.

(dons tin helmet and f***s off)

I guess something might have been lost in translation though.

Maybe the confines of Goodison gripped the team to the point of giving up., who knows, but may explain the downing tools by the squad straight after Christmas.

In terms of chemistry then it would seem at best it must have been frosty on most days at a Finch Farm..

More to follow these comings days, I'm sure.

Mind you, the tv is on in the background as I type, and unless it is the lighting in here, Anne Boleyn was a rather striking coloured lady, which was definitely not mentioned in our parchment reference books at school. Perhaps we are already in fantasy land.

Beam me up, Marcel.

You can't say "coloured" these days. 'Not anymore!' As Alan Partridge would say...

Very important to remember too if we get Nuno Espirito Santo as our next boss!

You only had to look at CArlo's expresion to know he wasnt happy.

It is similar to what I felt about Koeman who downed tools when he felt he wasnt being supported.

A few things come out of this

1 the importance of synergy throughout the management

The importance of backing the manager 100%

The importance of having quality players and not mercenaries (Just read Walcotts comments who was on 150k a week and has accepted a 50% wage cut to go).

Italians are very big on honour and respect so Carlo was obviously offended by somone or circumatances.

It seems that Carlo left right after the City game because his ex wife and Davide's mother was in her last hours of life.

https://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/everton-carlo-ancelotti-ex-wife-24185068

'Carlo Ancelotti was married to Luisa Gibellini for 25 years before 2008 split She was mother to their son Davide, Everton assistant, and daughter Katia Ancelotti flew back to Italy on Sunday after Luisa's condition worsened She tragically died on Monday.'

from:
https://www.dailyadvent.com/gb/news/26a24b7bd016615ef9d3b2ac33a20f7a-Carlo-Ancelottis-exwife-of-25-years-Luisa-Gibellini-dies-aged-63-after-long-illness-as-Everton-manager-grieves-loss-of-childhood-sweetheart-and-mother-of-two-children-in-Italy

I would advise you to now tread carefully and not give any more clues about your source as this could make things difficult for them.

That said, I don't wish to denigrate either you or your source Rob, but some of this is a bit of stretch IMO, all the more so when you consider the chronology of events and earlier statements made by some of the cast you mention.

The claim that Brands did not get on at all with Ancelotti contradicts both men's public statements on the mutual respect they held for each other in the 18 months they have been at Everton together. That they met and discussed matters daily and that signings were mutually agreed between the two of them.

It's just 6-7 weeks ago that Brands signed a 3-year contract extension and in interview he spoke of the excellent relationships he shares with all at the club, all striving to achieve the club's ambitions. He described Carlo as 'a great manager, great personality, who recognizes and embraces all the club stands for...we have an honest and open relationship.'

Brands expressed satisfaction at the quality of the squad and the mix of experienced and developing players, but that you always strive to improve even with financial restraints. He closed by saying the ultimate goal for all at the club should be to make the fans proud and happy.

Nor do I see Brands as the type to bring all the players together and slam them collectively or individually as you report. He is more about collaboration and cooperation rather than confrontation and conflict.

Clearly something changed and unravelled very quickly in the last couple of months. Maybe Carlo has been leading us on all this time, but as your own walking-the-dog meeting with his son-in-law Rob in which he mentioned how enamoured of Everton Carlo was and how he wanted to create something special here, Carlo always came over very sincere in his utterances about Everton.

The personal aspect - the break-in of his home in February which so spooked his daughter-in-law and the death of his first wife - cannot be discounted as influencing his mood and thinking.

On the latter, his ex-wife died the next day following the defeat at City. It was reported that Carlo flew directly to Italy after the game to be with her. That put's a different slant on him not travelling back to Liverpool on the team bus. Wouldn't Manchester airport be his likely destination, probably with the club's blessing?

A single week between that event - being at her death bed, burying her, still in mourning - to being announced as Real manager. No surprise he hasn't been seen or heard from at Everton in that time.

What that does point to as you wrote, however, is that the plan to leave to Real was already in motion before all that, which casts a shadow over the much vaunted integrity and honesty of Carlo.

I repeat, I just don't see Brands as the type to bring all the players together and slam them collectively or individually as you report. Also, it must have been a very small window to do that in because almost immediately many of the squad travelled to meet up with their national teams.

I don't disbelieve there was possible tension between Marcel and Carlo with one seeking organic growth via the academy and recruitment of young talent and the other wanting oven-ready quality players. Carlo was very explicit about that: 'My job is not to develop young players.'

I also think it is telling that - other than Thierry Small that I know of - no other player has done the usual thing when a manager/player departs of posting favourable 'good luck' comments towards Carlo on social media. That is unusual in this day and age.

Something clearly amiss and (naturally) unreported about the true state of affairs at the club.

And to repeat Rob, I'm not questioning your own or your source's integrity. Just speaking aloud trying to make sense of what you've shared with us.

I'll have more to say, but mainly signed up today to say thanks to Rob Halligan for his informative behind the scenes post, I don't doubt any of it. Reassuring to read that Brands could be so passionate, hopefully he can find a few more players with some of that. Thank you Rob.

I think that's just about the biggest load of bollocks I've ever read.

If Brands did that, it wouldn't surprise me one bit.

Yeah, Iwobi. God fucking help us with that one.
Arsenal must of partied for weeks after selling him to us. It was a probably a given that they would give us the 3 points at the Emirates as part of the Iwobi deal, just that we couldn't score for fuck so they decided to gift us a goal. Fair play to them.

Rob. Cracking post.

I've worked and lived in Holland and still correspond with plenty of cloggies. They are as you say.

But it is one thing to be like that socially in a small group of people, spontaneously combusting, and another altogether when you are an executive (board member) as Brands is, call a meeting of your staff with the premeditated intention to lambast them in the terms used collectively and individually.

Just doesn't quite ring true to me as much as the scenario may appeal to the fan base.

Iwobi

https://twitter.com/EvertonBlueArmy

On the other hand many guys looking for a well paid job regardless will jump at the chance.

Moyes is still the same manager we had who really did nothing and only the loan of Lingard who hit a rich vein of form made the Hammers a little better then they were.

Nuno. familiar with the Prem. and connections in Europe may be a good choice at the moment.

Some people think footballers are enclosed in a hermetically sealed bubble - rubbish!! They like to chat shit just like everyone else. So we'll done Rob and keep us informed while protecting your source.

Nuno... Yeah. Well, that will be a laugh, for about 3 months.

Frankly for £18m for 18 months work, he should be ashamed of himself for being responsible for some of the worst football Everton have played. And hiding James lack of motivation. Ancellotti was responsible for the team ethos, the tactics, the culture. So much for not being a magician - he's landed himself the top job in football as a result.

Now that's magic.

Haven't been on here for a while - how's your wife?

Morale of the story is……………”Don't believe any fucker”

Also, doubters Rob didn't give us a full transcript just the highlights. I doubt he walked in went off on Iwobi but I can believe that during a meeting with back and forth, excuses, finger pointing and rolled eyes from players that something could have prompted him to do that

Spot on. The dressing room is rotten to the core and contains some the biggest piss takers going. We need to worry about looking down, not up, as the new manager has a monumental job on his hands to change the culture. We are well on our way to being Sunderland. There is something seriously wrong in there. In Ancelotti, we've just had our Dick Advocat.

Please don't start to think that the players have every right to feel hard done by. This bunch of twats have heaped humiliation after humiliation upon the club in the last few years. They pull out performances like Sheff Utd and then decide to run about a bit against Wolves a few days later. When Richarlison scores and him and Mina are fucking pigeon dancing in front of fans. They were lucky someone didn't run on and chin them. I can't stand them. Any of them. And these twats are probably the main reason Ancelotti has bailed.

Already agreed with you, given the timeline of his ex-wife's death and how that would have occupied Carlo's time last week, the wheels for a move to Real must have been in motion well before the City game, if not earlier.

It certainly changes my perception of the man. I don't know of him behaving like this at any other time in his career. What were the motivating circumstances of that - the realization that given the restraints that apply at Everton it would take longer than he was willing to commit, the desire to get back to a familiar environment he is more comfortable in, non-football matters as mentioned - who knows?

Paul, the missus is a diamond as just as hard and resilient. I simply don't know how she does what she does day after day as she does. Thanks for asking.

What about yourself? You've been silent and missing in recent months. Nothing health related, I hope. Or just hiding behind the sofa from Everton games?

He's doing his job and he gets paid for it

He and the rest of them are paid basically by Moshiri and so it's him that will make the final decision here

Colette 405 - I like your list

Rob - I seriously hope that your source was correct in saying Brands laid into the players. That gives me some hope. Actually when you look at Brands he does come across as having it in him.

My advice to Moshiri - put your trust in Brands and let him pick the next manager.

Rob #679, I had seen the story on Carlo's family loss also, and I assumed that was why he vamoosed after the City game. Such jarring events can also affect one's perspective on life, and who knows but that might have been a contributing factor to his decision. Not the process, perhaps, but the final decision.

Mike #659, Rob is young at heart.

This is the man who keeps saying how well our 'project' is going and how we need only a couple new players to compete.

This is the man who had no back up for Zou a not returning and send us into that season shockingly short on centre backs.
Did he learn?
Not at all, this season we only had 2 strikers.

Where are our wingers? When will we actually sign one that can cross the ball?
Brands thinks well be fine as Anthony Gorden will be available again.
That's the same Anthony Gorden that couldn't stay in the Preston North End team.

He gets talked up here for supposedly laying into the players, many if which he brought in, yet this is the man that watches the same site we have to watch yet keeps telling the world our fck 'project' is going great!

In fact, we don't need a Hollywood manager - we need a Moyes mk2, as in the early years of Moyes. An article in the Athletic summed it up well. That kind of manager suits the club's culture and standing.

Ancelottis body language has been downbeat since the Sheff Utd game, to me it appeared a lightbulb moment Carlo finally accepting the squad was not fit for purpose. The Richi v Holgate has been bubbling along for a while so that seems reasonable. Could Carlo offered a list of experienced players he wants then Brands pushed back on 5his flying against his strategy and finally maybe missing Europe had impacted on the transfer budget. Could Carlo of gone fuck this I aint having another season dragging my reputation down. Or coincidence Garth Bales interview after Spurs last game, if I say whats happening next season it would cause total chaos...

Also Football Insider (what is that?) saying Real Madrid want Richarlison. Screw them for at least £100M. Is he worth that, well not based on most of his performances this season, but he still has three years on his contract and Madrid are skint. Player plus cash exchange maybe? Do Madrid have any decent players under the age of 25 that Carlo doesn't want?

Wonder if my ex assistant got all the office staff in and bollocked them this week??

We'll find out in the next episode of Soap (for the older readers!!)

Hope you're in rude health mate, and a happy summer holiday to all.

Why do you want to be our manager? what was your best game in your last managerial position? and your worst ? why? Where do you think you could take us to in the next season. How can you achieve that?
What players do you need urgently for next season? Are you attack minded or defensive? why?

Where do you prefer to source players from? abroad. lower divisions or past clubs? Why? What do you look for in a new player?
What key assets do you look for in current players why?

What is the most important factor in a player, never giving up, positional awareness and awareness of other players, fitness, skill or desire to win. If not these what attributes do you think a player should have?

What went wrong in your last job? what did you learn from the last job?

All of these questions seem trivial but I think are important for any manager at any level to answer. This would be reflected in the type of football the club and fans will be presented with. It would also increase the knowledge of our interviewers.

My choice would be an attack minded manager who has a strong number 2. Who is prepared to drop players when they play badly and give opportunities to younger keen players. Moyes fits that mould but after his deceitful lies I will stay if EFC gets into Europe and then proceeds to lead us to a series of totally unexpected losses then the truth comes out as he is the next Man Utd manager how could we trust him again?

Nuno has lost it, third season more defence less attack syndrome seen it in Howe even Moyes got it when he was with us. Conte in a no go and sadly so is Duncan. However I have admit that Rafa would get us into Europe and have us playing much better football. The German chap would also be interesting but they need to answer the above questions.

We need flair, talent, ideas. We need what Bielsa has done for Leeds. We need to look outside ourselves. We need a manager capable of bringing in real talent.

However, my biggest fear is that Ancelotti will try to tempt Iwobi, Bernard and Delph to join him at Real.

Oh...wait a minute!

People proposing Ferguson as the next boss need to realise that managers "grabbing a player by the throat" is at least 30 years out of date, as well as being criminally illegal.

Managers hoping to achieve success for their owners need their owners to financially back them, to the enth degree unless, as Leicester did a few years back, you one year get ultra lucky by ending up with a squad with a winning attitude that would've prevailed in any age.

Ranieri may have inspired them, or maybe it was Pearson before him (it sure as hell wasn't Walsh, the one Mosh chose to sign up) but, by whoever it was, a winning, fuck-em, culture was created there and still bests us five years later.

Godfrey, Coleman, Pickford, Digne and DCL would be massively improved in such a culture, as would the whole club as a consequence. Many other psuedo players would have to depart of course, expensively to us given the obvious five-years-long ineptitude of the Everton owner and board who signed them.

Stumbling onto a manager to do it is in my opinion hopeless whilst the owner and all but one of the boardroom, maybe, still has anything to do with his appointment.

We can learn lessons from Chelsea. An inexperienced manager was taking them to 8th place and the Europa conference league. A top manager took them to the champions league title.

Has previously finished runner up, and now won the League in France. Some achievement considering how much PSG outspend everyone, and the players they have.

From Wiki :

Galtier was praised by many pundits over the course of the season for both his tactics and his ability to develop young talent including Jonathan David, Renato Sanches, and Mike Maignan. For his efforts, Galtier was named the Ligue 1 Manager of the Year for a third time. On 25 May 2021, Galtier resigned as manager, two days after winning the league. He stated: "I simply have the deep belief that my time is up here."

Chelsea pulled a masterstroke as soon as Tuchel became available. Lampard or Chelsea's equivalent of Brands put the right players in place. But Lamaprd couldn't organise them to get the most out of them. No criticism, just too early in his coaching career. I hope he goes on to do well. I like Lampard.

We had a renowned and experienced coach but average players. Opposite ends of the spectrum, but ultimately its mostly about the players you have.

First and foremost, we need better players than what we have now.

Like someone else said in one of these topics, I would like to be entertained again.
If we're not going to win any silverware, let's face it, can we please just try to have a go every week.

Pathetic thinking if true, Moshiri.

Koeman and Walsh's “4 number 10's” was technicolour proof of an issue, and my fear is that we've had similar issues under Don Fat head and brands too. Refusal to give King, Nkounkou (when Digne was out), Gordon, etc. any real time could well be based on their ability or defects, but it could equally have been because Carlo was beating his chest too.

Why take this risk?

We either give Brands absolute FULL control of player recruitment (in which case coaching is what we need in any manager now), or we move him out the way completely (or perhaps to just u23 tsar) and give the new manager a clear run for their own players (perhaps with some rules around player RoI and age).

I can't see Marcel getting the bullet at the moment, so for the next manager we need someone whose happy to coach and set tactics. Not sure who on the list meets that criteria most, but if it's young players who we want to bet on, I think it's big Duncan who'll do it best.

Yes, he's a tough man, but anyone who thinks he's a “hand on the throat” manager hasn't listened to a lot of the young lads who've come through around him. The big fella has a big heart too.

For me, this is the model. There's plenty of top class “coaches” about to add anything he's missing, but with people like Baines and Cahill coming through (with maybe Seamus getting more involved too) I think that's a good team. Get Jags back in to help with defence too, or maybe Phil Neville back as a number 2.

I know people are going to attack this as “more Everton, from a long line of Everton failures, is not the answer” and I get it. But, it's an IDENTITY, and instead of having that around the fringes (which we will anyway) why not bring it out the closet and accept that we are Everton. Embrace our Identity with pride! Use it!

Compared to mercenaries like Koeman, Allardyce and Don Fat head, or good hearted dreamers like Bobby and Marco, let's just be Everton. The PEOPLES club. A family. Even if it doesn't put us at the top table, it's a way of finding pride again.

COYB.

Let's have it right, Carlo Ancellotti, rarely tells the truth in his interviews when talking about his players (nothing wrong with this) and listening to what Michael Keane said after phoning Southgate, he also probably never told many of his players the truth?

So Brands has probably had to listen to the manager moaning about the players, and it wouldn't surprise me if the “man in the middle” decided to tell the players what Ancellotti, really thought about them once he knew he wasn't coming back?

A lot of “probably's” in my post, but in the world of professional football, I'd say this is definitely feasible, because it's much easier giving home truths by using what someone else has said, and people also tend to listen (rather than argue right back) because they usually want to know what that c**t really thought about them, especially if he hadn't said it to them himself!?

Pep Guardiola was managing, in effect, Barcelona's U23's (albeit with a more competitive element) before taking the Barcelona job.

https://twitter.com/btsportfootball/status/1208393761715359745?s=21

What is abundantly clear is as fans we cannot agree so I don't envy the club.

My take on this is Ferguson should be given the chance. I currently sit a few seats away from the home dug out. Close enough that you can hear the managers from the sidelines.

I moved there when we had Silva and have witnessed all the managers we have had recently at very close quarters. The most animated I ever saw was Dunc. An example one game MIna was having a Bambi on ice game. Next thing you hear Leighton... Have a word with Yerry will you wee man. He was shouting encouragement to the players and telling them where they were wrong. We all saw the ball boys being hugged when we scored. You cannot buy that passion he is blue through and through and cares.

18 months ago he even said himself he is not ready, he now thinks he is. The fact he cared enough to rule himself out last time speaks volumes.

Reading Rob's post it is clear the manager and DOF need to be on the same page we don't want managers refusing to play players that they didn't sign or another manager only there for the money.

Dunc would work with the players, he would work with Brands, he bleeds blue. It really is his time. As has been alluded to many times we have tried up and coming, great ex footballers, big name done everything, fire fighters, time for a person who cares about Everton. I also think we will see a lot more youth promoted this way. Look at who Dunc played last time. Our under 23s have won the league in the past. we do have quality players but they are for the most part blocked from the first team. Look at Carlo why put two keepers on the bench?

This is not sentimental it is looking at where we are and what we need. We have lost our identity we need it back. For me Dunc needs to be given the chance

The big man has been learning for years under plenty of good people (current coaches of Madrid, Barca and the number one international side). Yes, he hasn't had experience of managing directly, but it's hardly like we're suggesting giving the waterboy a go here. Arteta doing alright at Arsenal so far.

Think over the last few years, we've become ashamed of being Everton. Many of the “fans” dismiss anyone who's had anything to do with the Bill era as ‘tainted lepers'. We're ashamed of our recent history, and losing the grand team tag in a race to be another modern “continental” also ran.

Let's differentiate ourselves again by embracing being Everton again. Fortress Goodison, and any team that plays us knowing they are getting a fight. We have plenty of ex-players who could form an amazing management TEAM together. Worth a go, at least until we've built a platform where the superstar managers are going to WANT to come and WANT to stay.

The big man has been learning for years under plenty of good people (current coaches of Madrid, Barca and the number one international side). Yes, he hasn't had experience of managing directly, but it's hardly like we're suggesting giving the waterboy a go here. Arteta doing alright at Arsenal so far.

Think over the last few years, we've become ashamed of being Everton. Many of the “fans” dismiss anyone who's had anything to do with the Bill era as ‘tainted lepers'. We're ashamed of our recent history, and losing the grand team tag in a race to be another modern “continental” also ran.

Let's differentiate ourselves again by embracing being Everton again. Fortress Goodison, and any team that plays us knowing they are getting a fight. We have plenty of ex-players who could form an amazing management TEAM together. Worth a go, at least until we've built a platform where the superstar managers are going to WANT to come and WANT to stay.

Passion and commitment are vital aspects of football or any sport. Ask the boxers on here amongst us. But it has to be channeled and controlled, otherwise you eventually end up losing your head and you are no use to anyone once the head has gone.

Duncan was like that as a player. He could well be like that as a manager.

Guess we're not going there considering how some baulked at the £11m a year Carlo was on.

I suppose having just won a major league title, and a fairly recent Premier League one, his bargaining position is strong.

13th place ex Wolves manager, unproven ex-player or back to the past seem to be the options.

Apologies. I'm being particularly facetious this morning. Just in one of those moods and mean no offence.

On a more serious note, given what looks like what is on the table, the Nuno option seems to be the most likely and most sensible. Unless Everton can surprise me. And they have done that most of my life, so the hope won't completely go away.

Sarri's time at Stamford Bridge ended on a sour note, largely thanks to his negative style of football, and that would only leave the Everton fanbase fuming after witnessing an attractive and expansive system under Ancelotti.

Then again. It's Everton. They'll spend days not saying anything and announce the blinding obvious that everyone thought anyway!

If that were the case Brands' reply should have been that Marco Silva's front four that played the most minutes the season we finished eighth was
Bernard
Siggy
Richarlison
Walcott

Mr Ancelotti's that finished tenth
Calvert Lewin
Richarlison
James
Siggy

Talk sport did a net spend transfer piece last summer and although I'm sure the figures aren't entirely accurate they had us third in the list with only Chelsea and Leeds have a greater total net outlay. Unlike Silva he was given the tools to do the job and even had the transfer strategy reversed to appease him.

I've always said, even back in the Moyes days when we were looking for the Arteta money down the back of the couch, it's not what you spend, it's how you spend and who you spend it on.

Unless you can do a City or Chelsea and simply buy the best players, you have to be clever. There has been good examples that we've discussed here and elsewhere. Liverpool, Leicester and RB Leipzig in Germany who simply can't compete for the big names with Bayern.

Everton has been reckless and scattergun in the transfer market, although I maintain, last summer's acquisitions looked like we finally had started to focus on bringing in a combination of experienced proven players and young potential. Another repeat of that for me this summer.

Talk-sport did a net spend, would only show me one thing Conor, and that is how much money Everton have been wasting for years.

Your thoughts largely mirror mine. Re Duncan admitting not being ready. I wonder how much of him saying that was down to him perhaps knowing that Carlo Ancelotti had been approached, so he stepped back knowing there was no chance. Can't recall the timing.
However, if there had been other managers he was going up against, his thoughts might be different which brings us to now...

I'm all for giving him his opportunity now. We'll never know if he is able to manage/coach a team but he'll give his all...and won't suffer fools etc

As some on here have said, any manager is a gamble. I think I prefer taking a chance on bringing through youth mixed with seasoned professionals which takes time as opposed to just going out buying older, more experienced players and hoping they gel enough to be successful.

As a club, someone needs to decide what the identity is to be going forward, and take it from there...easy

Interesting figures also include RS (£35m), Leicester (£4m) and WHU (£8.5m). It highlights the importance of generating significant sums from departures to enable sustainable (and very productive) spending.

We kept their managerial turnover, constant rumours and turmoil. The only element we decided not to copy was their success.

Strange how things don't work out as you wish: we spent years looking for a rich owner prepared to put money into the club. When it finally happened, a succession of people just pissed most of his money up against the wall.

Ah well. Onward and upwards.

No more Portuguese or Italians for a while.

If Dunc is failing, then make a permanent appointment in time to recover the situation. If he makes a go of it, then issue a contract as his deserved reward for being a magician. By November possibly better managerial options might become available than are apparent now. Sorted.

This will make us no worse off than if Carlo had stayed, where we would probably have been looking at a sacking costing us £20 million if the recent performances rolled over into next season as I fear they would have.

I do agree with the ship has sailed view though. As much as I'd love Rangnick, as I've repeatedly said, he's already in a very senior position (DoF) at what is currently an established top 4 Champions League club. He manages managers and makes decisions at club level not just the first team. Exactly what we need.

Lets say hypothetically he was offered and accepted Everton. I then see conflict with Brands. And for that reason, assuming Brands is key to selecting the next manager, I don't see him going down that route as he'd be bringing someone in who will challenge his own position.

I'd take him tomorrow, but I don't think he'd accept my call even if I spoke in my rusty German!!

Players said to be gutted and disappointed:

Why would the players be gutted? They weren't exactly playing for him, it was complete dire football and players looked they could not be bothered most games

Some big name players now contemplate their future:

There aren't any big name players at Everton they are bottlers!

1 Manchester City £220m K. De Bruyne (£320,000)
2 Manchester United £205.4m D. Dea Gea (£300,000)
3 Liverpool £190m M. Salah (£260,000)
4 Chelsea £186.7m Timo Werner (£240,000)
5 Arsenal £175m P.E Aubamyang (£320,000)
6 Tottenham £151.5m Harry Kane (£260,000)
7 Everton £114m James Rodriguez (£160,000)
8 Leicester City £86.2m Jamie Vardy (£200,000)
9 West Ham £79.8m Andriy Yarmolenko (£115,000)
11 Wolverhampton £75.9m Jose Moutinho (£100,000)
10 Southampton £75.9m Danny Ings (£75,000)
12 Crystal Palace £63.3m Wilfried Zaha (£130,000)
13 Newcastle United £63m Joelinton (£80,000)
14 Aston Villa £55.7m Jack Grealish (£120,000)
15 Fulham £51.2m Alphonse Areola (£85,000)
18 West Brom £45.6m Kieran Gibbs (£55,000)
19 Brighton £43m Adam Lallana (£80,000)
17 Burnley £39m Ben Mee (£55,000)
16 Leeds United £31.4m Rodrigo Machado (£57,500)
20 Sheffield United £28.6m Phil Jagielka (£51,000)

2021 Salaries

He would say focus on building a quality squad this way rather fixating on who the coach is from time to time. With a quality squad we might find our managers, by weird coincidence, start to become more successful.

If he could be appointed without much fanfare, under the radar so to speak, this may take some of the pressure off.

I feel he'll set standards high. He'll demand commitment and won't suffer fools. He seems to have the support of the core younger players. His style in the three games he managed was more ‘Everton' than anyone I've seen since Joe R.

He won't have any player-pulling-power for signings initially, but we have Brands and his penchant for signing younger players would suit Ferguson.

He's played a role in developing players already, so we can expect more of the same, plus he's humble enough to know his limitations so should appoint staff members to cover his weaknesses.

Contrary to popular anti-sentimentality on these threads, I'd love to see a first team coaching staff consisting of:

Duncan Ferguson
Tim Cahill
Leighton Baines
Seamus Coleman

All four know and love our club. The only concern I have is that shyster of a chairman and his influence on staff

I know that it is irrational but following Everton does this to you.

The more I think, the more that is what I want. Rangnick.

I don't for one minute think it will happen, but we all like to think, give opinion and have hope.

The only way I see it (in my view), is Brands steps up to replace Kenwright at board level and we bring in a more junior head coach as understudy. So a shuffle at the top and almost a double appointment on the coaching staff.

I apologised earlier and will do so again. I said my head is all over the place this morning. And it is definitely Everton's fault!! Hopefully there is some rationale in that.

EIGHT different people who've been unable to achieve sustained improvement.

With this in mind it's actually futile, AND soul destroying, to wish for this guy or that guy and NOT that guy or that other guy.

Bottom line is that whoever we get is just as likely to succeed or just as likely to fail as the next guy.

Previous experience and/or winning titles and cups has turned out to mean sweet FA.

Lack of winnings titles or cups has basically turned out more or less the same.

So, if you can, save your sanity and avoid the stress and try to just wait and see, and wait who gets the job and see what he/she can do.

Whoever it may be starts with a clean slate in my book because he may turn out to be our saviour or he could just be another name on an ever growing list of people who couldn't do it.

There's NO way of knowing.

I like Ralf Rangnick Brian but not sure after that. I do think Everton need to take a step back and also look at the credentials of a person, we need someone who is not high profile but will love the club and fans, that brings passion and commitment and ultimately success.

Let Brands do the job he was brought into do and give him control.

The coach (coach not manager) can then deal with the players he has. But we need better players.

I know it's Friday but its not even midday and I'm looking at the beer fridge. Everton are like the girlfriend who cheats on you but you always go back for more.

Robert (755), I don't think Brands, who I like and want to stay, has ever managed a club, Rangnick has and very successfully, I don't know if they, Brands and Rangnick, would gel together but they both know the workings of football clubs from the youth to the top of the tier football, both have an eye for a player and Rangnick has had his teams in top physical condition to play a pressing game, which other managers, including Klopp, have followed. I don't think it will happen but would love to see that pair given the chance.

I've got to the stage now I don't know who I want at Everton.

Unfortunately decorated managers aren't a good fit for EFC as much as I'd like Conte, we ain't even Arsenal or Spurs. That's why we had Moyes for 11 years with no success. The squad is mainly dreadful. Rafa was correct we are not a big club and haven't been for decades, we haven't played even in group stages of CL.

It's underwhelming but my vote is Ferguson on a rolling contract.

"Dahling, you cant expect me to remeber everything"

They would fundamentally rip this club apart from top to bottom on the playing side.

And I mean on the playing side. As a club off the pitch we remain an example. But we need to sort it out on the pitch. From the academy through to the first team.

I'm sorry but Ancelotti's performance was poor, if you take his experience into account it was pathetic. Now people say he needed time, rubbish, even Martinez instilled and created a productive team in his first season. Ancelotti was not the answer.

I just hope common sense prevails and not just look at big names like Pirlo and think he has what it takes to take us further with little experience in management because he may fall short due to that lack of experience. If nothing else I hope Brands has his way.

The awfulness of that appointment does not bear thinking about.

Bring Cahill in on the first team too.

I'd like a younger manager on the up, more focussed on great coaching and match day tactics. Someone who can let Brands come up with varying possibilities for recruitment and then get the manager's input on which of those players to go for.

No mercenaries please who think they are doing us a favour by being here.

It will then, in theory, become a more harmonious club that has its core elements working together instead of against each other. Progress will follow on from that.

The trouble is coming up with the right man, Nuno, Potter, Ten Haag ? Whoever gets mentioned gets criticism that can be be justified, so it's back to the first sentence, there's no perfect option.

We'll all have to embrace that fact when Brands and Moshiri make their decision and give the manager our full backing.

I've changed my mind as this post puts it all into perspective - thanks Andy

Whilst passion alone won't win things, he kicks every single ball on the touchline. I watched him with Carlo in his ear all the time and Carlo doing nothing.

He has served under a lot of managers with varying styles. All coaching badges are completed why not maybe a 12 month deal with an experienced assistant

But then we want to appoint Duncan, Tim and Unsworth because they are passionate about the club. That is so contradictory.

I repeat. So am I. Appoint me if that's what you want. I can run up and down the touch line demonstrating my Everton-ness more than most. And guess what, I'd be gone by October. As any of those names would be.

Think big and behave like a big club Everton.

I told you I was having a bad day. Again, no offence meant to anyone.

Everton should at least go down a different route, and I could not agree more of Dunc on the touchline.

I have also seen Dunc having a word in Carlo,s ear, you can see Dunc clearly not happy, but words falling on deaf ears.

Now is the time to give him a go, he seems the perfect choice, but we all know it will be someone else, then a very good chance in 12 Months time, we will be back in this same reoccurring position again.

Break the sequence, try Duncan, instead of an outsider, may work, may not, but at least try something different.

You certainly are having a bad Day Danny, forget Cahill, Unsworth etc, but how can you not even concider Duncan Ferguson at least being given a go.

Because it will end in tears.

I love Duncan, but not the answer for me.

In honesty, and I'm calming myself, he obviously isn't for the club otherwise he'd have been appointed by now. Internal promotions usually happen quickly if that's what's on the mind.

I would assume they are exhausting all other possible options and he will be rolled out as a fallback if they fail.

The likes of Potter and other attacking coaches are just too much of a risk.

I hope I'm wrong.

Howard Kendall was great, but again, I just liked watching the football and the players.

We need to sort it out on the pitch and get better players.

Whoever the manager is, I will support. But he needs better players. Over to your Mr Brands.

Maybe Duncan is only interested in Everton? I could also understand if this is true, and I often think if Kendall would have succeeded if he hadn't appointed Harvey to first team coach, and wonder who would Ferguson pick to be his number two, if he ever got the Everton job?

We have tried everything so why not. For me we don't need a manager we need a coach. The DOF model means Brands should be in charge of signings. Let that happen and let Dunc coach, motivate and chastise the players as needed. The list of people available is slim at the moment. Give him a trial at it. It makes for a better transition no period of a new person assessing the squad etc keep looking for the right coach but tell Dunc it is his to lose. If he does well we have what we want, if he doesn't we have bought time to find the correct candidate.

Appointing Dunc allows us to hit the ground running right away

My gut feel as well. Not sure who I would take but I know who I wouldn't want.

Get rid of Kenwright, promote Brands. Bring in Rangnick. Get a coach to work under him. If that is Duncan,

I just fear he would struggle in the current setup and in 6 months time, those who love him would be baying for him to go. Many did with Howard Kendall in 1983. I'd hate to see a club favourite go under those circumstances. I'd actually rather Duncan took a step down and took over Finch Farm and the youth set up.

I

For too many years, defeats or poor performances have been welcomed by the club with a shrug of the shoulders and an 'it'll be better next week' attitude. That doesn't mean we should overreact when a bad run happens, just that all the movers and shakers at the club should be concerned when it does happen and not allow things to drift as they have done for quite a long time.

Any manager can only do so much with whichever players he has available to him, however, my suspicion is that the hierarchy hasn't really been concerned so long as things seem to be ticking along nicely, regardless of the standard of football provided by the team. It's one of the reasons that Everton has been left behind by the richer clubs. Everton's results matter, the optics will take of themselves.

My son in law, a red, told me Benitez got out of jail in Istanbul because of an enforced substitution patching up his initial crap selection. At a top Chelsea side he did the bare minimum, did zip at Newcastle and beyond the CL win effectively bankrupt Liverpool. I know he won stuff in Spain but overall he seems pretty ordinary to me - just don't get it.

If we want to compete with the top 4 it starts with a manger who is capable of getting us in the top 4 and having the ambition to win things.

As it stands the top 4 is Pep, Klopp, Tuchell, Solskaer and I would throw Rodgers in there too and maybe a hint of pepper with Bielsa.

The common factor is all these have had extensive top level experience of winning things and being successful.

I love big Dunc but paprt from his passion and love for the club what experience does he have handling top players. Could you imagine a conversation with him and Rodrigues for example.

I believe we have to be looking for someone who has had significant success not necessarily inheriting top players but in genuinely making a difference.

Names that spring to mind are Galtieri, Rangnick (may be beyond coaching now though),Marcelo Gallardo, Conceição, Fonseca.

The potential list is endless and surely they need to be explored to see if there is a fit in where we want to and need to go.

Nuno should be a plan B and Martinez, Moyes, Howe should be a plan Z.

Can you imagine the control Kenwright would have over the team if big Dunc gets the gig.

Then we get to the negatives, for some they are just too much. I just wonder though if they could be won around with better football, Europe or a trophy. Solid incremental improvement. Alternatively a poor run of form and the volcano of past anger will blow. And we all know there will be poor runs of form. Is it worth all that division and bile ?

None of the other managers mentioned are getting universal approval and Benitez certainly won't.

We bring in yet another manager, who will have the same set of players, baring a few additions.

So when a new Manager comes in, he will give those already here time to evaluate, by the time they see that we have quite a few that needs shipping out, the manager is relieved of his duties, then a new Manager comes in, those players survive and get even more time at Everton.

This has happened over the last 3 years or so, and will continue again, until we break that chain.

Now not many might like the idea of Duncan Ferguson, but he has worked with these players, and will have a good idea of those not up to scratch.

It also buys us time to not rush into a Manager just yet.

We all know most is down to the players, so no new Manager coming in, is going to get anything out of certain players.

Let Brands deal with the buisness end of transfers, work alongside Duncan, on players he wants out of the club.

If it dos not work out, there is nothing stopping Everton going for a new manager, anytime in the coming season, but we might just have that little time scale, to get some of those players, out of the door this Summer.

https://www.whoateallthepies.tv/everton/35476/everton-win-first-trophy-of-new-season.html

I don't see your point.

That we haven't won a bean has no bearing on Benitez alleged quality. Furthermore we've just had one of the most decorated managers in world football failing so abysmally he ran at the first opportunity. The lesson of judging managers by previous trophies is surely there for all to see.

Rafa managed in similar circumstances to ours at Newcastle and did nothing - he is a massive bag of poo

Thats a shiny trophy we would have in a heartbeat.

The previous season most of that team won the Champions League!!

From wiki

Chelsea beat Nordsjælland 6–1 to record their biggest-ever Champions League win and Rafael Benítez's first win as manager, but due to other results, they were eliminated after finishing in third place, becoming the first reigning champions to exit the tournament at the group stage

As I say for a club of their resources and team of that calibre he did the bare minimum.

I don't think he is a liar at all we just all have different belief systems.

I wouldn't have thought for a second he made it all up himself.

The top five have won almost everything - thank god for Leicester! It's a short list that shows trophies are difficult to win and shared out by the richest clubs in the EPL - with a couple of exceptions.

Stop dreaming people! We're gunna have to come up with a better plan than offering stupid wages to average soccer mercenaries.

Just give me an Everton team to be proud of.

Nuno Espirito Santo 4/6
David Moyes 7/1
Eddie Howe 8/1
Rafa Benitez 8/1
Duncan Ferguson 12/1
Andrea Pirlo 14/1

The following is the list of major honours won for these managers (ignoring Super Cups, which are one off matches, not warranting trophies, in my view):

Nuno Espirito Santo - Championship (1)
David Moyes - 2nd Division (3rd Tier) (1)
Eddie Howe - Championship (1)
Rafa Benitez :
Championship (1);
La Liga (2);
UEFA Cup (1);
FA Cup (1);
Champions League (1);
Club World Cup (1);
Europa League (1);
Coppa Italia (1)
Duncan Ferguson 12/1 - F/all
Andrea Pirlo 14/1 - Coppa Italia (1)

Tasked with making a recommendation to the board, which name would you be putting forward?

Prediction of first response:
But Carlo won more than Benitez, and we could only finish 10th with him, to which I would say that he wasn't here for long enough to prove if he could be a success here.

Merseyside was a temporary stop off for Carlo and his family, whereas Benitez main residence has been the North West for the best part of 20 years, and the Everton job would suit him down to the ground.

Prediction of Second Response:
But Rafa is 10-15 years older than some of the above and has had a longer time period to win trophies in, to which I would say that he is about 3 years older than Moyes, who has won effectively Jack Sh1t.

Might throw a few quid on at 8/1 having gone through that.

Surely that is a critique of Di Matteo rather than a beatification of Benitez?

The fact Chelsea then went on to win the Prem twice after Rafa suggests the Di Matteo monkeyness was a temporary blip. All opinion of course but I see nothing in Benitez that relates to what we need here. Well, he gets points for owning a house in West Kirby so might not jump ship as quick - OR WOULD HE??

Of the bookies' favourites I expect only Santo has a chance of getting the job.

Need to be a bit more logical than that in my view.

Peter Beardsley was one of the few genuinely gifted players we had in the 90s, fans didn't bother about the silverware he won in a Liverpool shirt then.

Barry we will just has to agree to disagree.

The bookies try all sorts of tricks to lure you in. Supposed smart bets evaporate over night.

The odds makers have huge fun with their imaginary heavy gambles trying to make you follow the "ITK money" The trouble is they want their fun to be at your expense.

Wide berth

Funny how quickly my post has spread in the last twenty four hours. I received a WhatsApp message from a mate, a blue, sending me My Post!! I rang him and asked him who he got it from? He told me a friend of his who works at finch farm sent it to him, and he also told me it was all very plausible.

How much of it is true, and how much of it people want to believe is, of course, debatable, but as I said yesterday, my source is very much, shall we say, acquainted with someone who sat in on the team meeting / bollocking dished out by Brands.