Updated Rafael Benitez has re-emerged as a candidate for the Everton manager's job amid suggestions that the club's talks with Nuno Espirito Santo have stalled.
The Blues' hierarchy are reported to have held advanced talks with Espirito Santo last week but there are suggestions that the demands around the size of his backroom staff that Nuno made, which supposedly scuppered his appointment at Crystal Palace, could also be the cause of the Everton's hesitancy to confirm him as the next incumbent in the Goodison Park hot-seat.
Claims that emerged on Wednesday, beginning with TalkSport presenter, Jim White, who has close ties to Farhad Moshiri, have it that Benitez is in talks with Everton and is the likely man to succeed Carlo Ancelotti. That was followed by a report from Sky Sports that the Spaniard has held talks with Moshiri but has yet to be offered the job although, according to Paul Joyce of The Times, he is expecting a formal offer.
Benitez represents something of a "Marmite" choice for Everton fans, many of whom despise him for his infamous "small club" jibe when manager of local rivals, Liverpool.
Others see his long affinity with the area (he has maintained his magnificent property on King's Drive in Caldy on The Wirral) and his record of having managed some elite clubs and collected a slew of trophies along the way is seen by others as being the right set of credentials for a manager stepping into the shoes that were rapidly vacated by Madrid-bound Ancelotti.
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1 Posted 15/06/2021 at 13:38:04
2 Posted 15/06/2021 at 13:38:51
3 Posted 15/06/2021 at 13:43:52
4 Posted 15/06/2021 at 14:04:08
This would be a nightmare appointment that would drive a massive wedge through our entire fan base and make our club a laughing stock that we might never recover from – as well as ensuring our long trophy drought continues for years to come.
I am dreading this season already.
5 Posted 15/06/2021 at 14:11:42
I'm going for a lie down...
6 Posted 15/06/2021 at 14:15:49
7 Posted 15/06/2021 at 14:21:14
It's time to bring a blue home.
8 Posted 15/06/2021 at 14:22:03
It's said the club has some old-fashioned traits that do not serve us best. Separation from and dismissal of things Liverpool are not among them. I don't care if he's the best candidate - no RedShite. And he's nowhere near the best candidate.
9 Posted 15/06/2021 at 14:27:23
10 Posted 15/06/2021 at 14:32:17
11 Posted 15/06/2021 at 14:32:29
12 Posted 15/06/2021 at 14:39:15
13 Posted 15/06/2021 at 14:39:43
I think his association ( previous ) to LFC is largely irrelevant unless you have a blinkered view on life in general. This is a business and we need to hire someone.
No he doesn't have an Everton Tattoo, nor has he played for us blah blah blah. He is someone to steady the ship, someone capable and we should have gone for him, as I've said before, years ago. It is not too late, get him in, he knows the Premier League. He understands what Football means to us and he is his own man.
I'll support him if he's appointed, no question. I'll get my tin hat on but we need to move forward and get him in
14 Posted 15/06/2021 at 14:44:52
I'm getting tired of this now tbh.. just appoint Nuno.
15 Posted 15/06/2021 at 14:45:04
If its the Fat Waiter...it is what it is.
Footy is a funny old game as someone once said.
He is very experienced and has won more trophies than any of the other candidates and he may well be a good fit.
16 Posted 15/06/2021 at 14:45:31
I have had a very controversial thought for a number of years, which I have been loath to express, for obvious reasons. However, now may be the time. Nothing causes so much anger and hurt for Evertonians, as the Benitez 'small club' remark, and the Moyes 'knife to a gunfight' quote.
Could it just possibly be; that those 2 remarks cause so much pain and anger, because at the time they were said, they were true?
Well, I'd better resign from TW before the tsunami of anger engulfs me!
18 Posted 15/06/2021 at 14:49:25
19 Posted 15/06/2021 at 14:50:33
20 Posted 15/06/2021 at 14:51:18
If this is true, then Moshiri needs to sell up and fuck off.
22 Posted 15/06/2021 at 14:54:52
I 100 % guarantee that Ferguson will be foisted onto the new manager. But I'll be delighted to be wrong
23 Posted 15/06/2021 at 14:55:10
Is there a reason for this?
24 Posted 15/06/2021 at 14:57:10
25 Posted 15/06/2021 at 14:58:07
26 Posted 15/06/2021 at 15:00:00
Watch this space – I hope!
28 Posted 15/06/2021 at 15:04:52
Still time for a few surprises, like seeing who is available after the euros.
Failing that I think Graham Potter would be the best of the 'rising stars' if we can't get a Mancini.
29 Posted 15/06/2021 at 15:08:40
We need an appointment because we need to start recruiting and so, if appointed, we need to start supporting the man.
If he gets the job then I'm with Bill and to a degree I agree with those saying "what has he done recently ? " but I think this is a massive opportunity for him, probably the biggest he'll get and I'm certain he'll want to enhance his reputation and I think he'll be a good fit if we get behind him. He's capable and will understand what we need moving forward
30 Posted 15/06/2021 at 15:09:04
I would seriously consider jibbing going if he was in post.
31 Posted 15/06/2021 at 15:09:23
Can we please have some pride?
Hiring this man who's managed them and also insulted us publicly would be an all time low.
We'd go from historical, respected Club that does things right, to a bunch of whores.
No fucking way! Fuck this guy off immediately. Even talking to him smacks of filthiness and prostitution.
32 Posted 15/06/2021 at 15:15:14
33 Posted 15/06/2021 at 15:18:38
It would be embarrassing to hire him.
34 Posted 15/06/2021 at 15:19:37
Im sure most incoming managers will believe (or be told) Dunc is “Bills boy”.
In any management situation if you have a subordinate member of your team with unfettered access to senior management it creates trust issues in the chain of command.
Once things start going sideways then the “spy in the camp” issue becomes even more malignant.
35 Posted 15/06/2021 at 15:20:35
His best days are well behind him now.
And call me parochial, tribal, even bitter but I DO NOT want an ex redshite manager thankyou very much.
In fact if he's employed I think I'll apply to get my money back on my season ticket and say "fuck it."
36 Posted 15/06/2021 at 15:23:36
Total flop in two seasons in China.
Total flop at Barcodes.
Zonal marking on corners.
Those ridiculous jowls.
Forget it. No.
Mike #23, yes, there's a reason. Mancini is happy as a clam managing Italy, and they're ecstatic with him. 74% winning percentage and a ridiculous 28 straight games undefeated, 23 wins and 5 draws, over the past three years. Right now they're on a streak of nine straight clean sheets with a goal ratio of 28-0. So no, he's not leaving his own national team machine right before the World Cup to come to Everton.
Dave #26, no, it won't be Conte either.
37 Posted 15/06/2021 at 15:24:40
38 Posted 15/06/2021 at 15:25:14
It's not about where a person has worked previously. It's all about being the right person at the right time at the right club. There was a time when Benitez ticked the boxes, but I fear no longer. Like Carlo, I suspect the real hunger just is no longer there.
I keep on coming back to the two guys called Philip I've mentioned before: Cocu is a thinking coach who works well with a DoF and the fact that it's Brands with whom he had a productive relationship at PSV is an added bonus. Lahm with Rangnick to mentor him would be my wild card. If and when this fellow goes into coaching he will be as innovative as the likes of Cruyff and Guardiola. Get him now before someone else does?
39 Posted 15/06/2021 at 15:25:30
I want Nuno. I've made that clear on other posts.
I read above in one of the posts (Mike Keating 23) that there's some names being thrown around returning to the Premier League.
I'd take Roberto Martinez back in a second. We fucking ran that guy out of town too quickly. He tried to play good football, he was an extremely amicable man who represented Everton wonderfully, and in my opinion things unravelled when Rom was on his way out.
It was the best football played by an Everton team that I personally have witnessed (15 years now).
I don't give a flying fuck if we leak 3 goals a game. Bring back excitement and entertaining football. Try to win 4-3. My soul has been starved for an Everton that is a joy to watch.
Roberto in a New York minute for me.
Won't happen, but there, I said it.
And for anyone who castigates the above, yet actually wants Rafa here?
Please just shut the fuck up.
40 Posted 15/06/2021 at 15:26:07
Funny thing is people were citing Ancelotti's "busted flush" moment as his tenure at Bayern (based on debunked rumors about training) even though he won the double. By comparison, Benitez got relegated with Newcastle then spent three years presiding over the Harlem globetrotters in China. If Carlo was a "busted flush" I'd suggest Benitez is something worse, perhaps a cracked pot, or a rotting outhouse.
I also object to the notion that Carragher and Co can dictate to us to take on their failed boss as some sort of charity case. We've got an abundance of our own charity cases, we don't need one of theirs coming along and being serenaded by the Kop during the derby.
If he comes, I will turn into a complete hypocrite and follow Darren's path in opposition from Day One. I'd sooner have no-one and frankly the way the team play it often appears there is no management anyway so we could save a few quid.
41 Posted 15/06/2021 at 15:27:06
I totally agree. I like Duncan and if appointed would be willing to give him a chance although I agree that he should try and prove himself at another club, eg, Lampard, Gerrard, Rooney etc. If you were going in to manage a new club which you know has organisation and motivation problems, would you take the chance that your authority be possibly undermined by someone is probably looking for your jobs and who may benefit from your demise.
42 Posted 15/06/2021 at 15:27:08
43 Posted 15/06/2021 at 15:28:09
I am not at all convinced that Nuno is the answer. His insistence on his complete entourage joining him suggests a worrying level of intransigence.
The idea of Big Dunc becoming manager is a recipe for disaster. He simply doesnt have enough experience to take the job permanently. He has not even been an actual assistant manager; his position under Ancelotti was “joint assistant” with Ancelottis son (draw your own conclusions), whilst Silvas assistant manager at the time of his sacking was Boa Morte.
Colin Harvey was a genuine no 2 to HK and is rightly credited for his achievement in helping Howard to turn a failing team into the best in Europe, but sadly Colin was not a success once he stepped up as manager.
The days of an Evertonian in charge are long gone.
44 Posted 15/06/2021 at 15:29:08
A very relevant question.
Nuno's Backroom team:
Rui Pedro Silva (assistant)
Ian Cathro (first-team coach)
Julio Figueroa (first-team coach)
Rui Barbosa (goalkeeper coach)
Antonio Dias (fitness coach)
Joao Lapa (rehab coach)
I don't see this is any bigger than Ancelotti's but Nuno could be insisting on changes in positions, more accountability and immediate command. This was the mistake that Ancelotti made, not insisting on similar. Ancelotti was, as Lyndon said 'laissez-faire' in his management of players, whilst Nuno, if reports are correct, is more disciplined, will insist his orders are carried out, and he will want a backroom team that is consistently the same in dealing with players.
I think Benitez would be favoured by Bill Kenwright. Benitez will say anything they want to hear to get the job. And will not make the mistake of asking for a big transfer pot, like he did at Juve. I bet that Moshiri and mates are working hard to get a big name alternative. That is if the Nuno situation is true.
I thought that Nuno was a good compromise candidate between the two camps, but it was originally reported that Everton were looking for a big name candidate that wasn't going to insist on radical change at the club.
I now want Nuno because he appears to know that radical change is a must from the start. This would be a real stumbling block at good old status quo Everton.
45 Posted 15/06/2021 at 15:29:57
I live just down the road from him and you've given me ideas!
46 Posted 15/06/2021 at 15:30:52
And Carragher is dictating?
47 Posted 15/06/2021 at 15:31:21
I just Fedexed a parcel to you with your assignment. Read it carefully as it will self destruct in 10 seconds.
48 Posted 15/06/2021 at 15:31:30
Maybe Mancini? The self-delusional Martinez? Or for a proper laugh, our Gaz when the FA sack him? Let's face it, we're already a laughing stock.
49 Posted 15/06/2021 at 15:34:39
Yes he did.
50 Posted 15/06/2021 at 15:35:32
51 Posted 15/06/2021 at 15:37:12
52 Posted 15/06/2021 at 15:38:06
Based on the track record, I get the impression that "Football Insider" is a 12-year-old kid basing his claims on his own experience from Championship Manager
53 Posted 15/06/2021 at 15:39:26
Andy #42, I think in this case some sort of terrorist action might be justified. Check with Jamie for weapons. He's got extras.
Ian #50, Conte is 51, in the prime of his career. He's been one of the world's highest-paid managers for a decade. His last four jobs were Juventus, Italy, Chelsea and Inter. He's got his pick of jobs anywhere in the world.
54 Posted 15/06/2021 at 15:39:42
For those comparing him with Carlo, also please bear in mind Carlo's win percentage at Everton was up there with the most successful managers we have had.
Personally, I would like Galtier but it is being reported he was discounted because he doesn't speak English, which I am surprised at.
Conte would be a one-season dream but, hey, in these days of short-termism, let's go for it.
The board need to realise with this squad there is no miracle cure and we will need to back the manager 100%.
If Nuno is holding out because he doesn't want Dunc forced on him, then kudos to the man.
55 Posted 15/06/2021 at 15:42:15
I did also like Martinez and believe we hounded him out. However Lukaku was still here for Koeman. The reason l would give is that he wasn't given the money. Especially in defence, where we were too slow in replacing an ageing backline. Distin hit a brick wall. It was a fun first season with him and a young core of players that unfortunately broke away.
Glad we are being linked to players, meaning perhaps Brands might want a manager to adapt a certain style that suits the squad? Well, we can only hope...
56 Posted 15/06/2021 at 15:44:38
Apparently, the board has spoken to John Conteh to ask him if he'd take on Duncan as there's nobody at the club who can ask the Scotsman to leave without fearing for their lives. :)
57 Posted 15/06/2021 at 15:46:12
I think we are getting a view as to why Carlo left
58 Posted 15/06/2021 at 15:53:07
59 Posted 15/06/2021 at 15:53:56
I got the feeling Rom wanted out at the tail end of Roberto's reign. I thought he was frustrated with not breaking into the Champions League.
He wasn't the same after around April of that year, by my memory.
And yes, Martinez with actual money to spend would be worth the price of admission surely!
60 Posted 15/06/2021 at 15:54:26
61 Posted 15/06/2021 at 15:57:37
"Let's feed the fuckers a Rafa rumour and they'll be BEGGING us to bring in Nuno and his 5,000 assistants!"
62 Posted 15/06/2021 at 16:01:56
63 Posted 15/06/2021 at 16:02:24
Only a tenner, I hope...
64 Posted 15/06/2021 at 16:02:26
65 Posted 15/06/2021 at 16:04:19
Conte doesn't have a wide choice of clubs at present. He turned down Spurs allegedly over spending and probably because Kane is set on leaving.
If we don't think big, we are never going to be big again.
66 Posted 15/06/2021 at 16:13:33
Kieran, agreed, Benitez did get relegated with Newcastle, think he took on a team already in trouble. However, he did get them promoted back to the Premier League...
To be fair, he also only spent about 18 months in China before returning to the UK, not the 3 years you mentioned.
Jay Harris, Benitez has won the Italian Cup and the Europa League more recently than 2005.
Am not suggesting I am a great fan of Rafa Benitez, but we might as well give some credit where it's due...
67 Posted 15/06/2021 at 16:17:27
The tippy tappy stuff confused the hell out of our players and Martinez was simply too pig-headed, or too stupid, to realise he was putting square pegs into round holes. He got found out by January in his first season.
The second time we played teams, they were waiting for us. (Fulham worked us out after 25 minutes and turfed us out of the League Cup.)
I don't want a managerial spent force, whether or not he is the fat Spanish waiter from across the park either. The French guy, Galtier, looks like a good call and we could be the right fit for him. But whoever it is. We need to move soon so we can recruit in the right way.
68 Posted 15/06/2021 at 16:19:23
As for Conte, there's every chance we've already approached him. I'd expect to be rebuffed for similar reasons he publicly rebuffed Spurs. He's an elite manager now - and the prospect of rebuilding a club off the back of 12th and 10th place finishes looks way below him unfortunately, especially when we simply cannot compete in the transfer market.
Santo - it wouldn't surprise me if this is all sorted with a bit of formality left to resolve before the announcement. It might seem like ages to us but in reality it's been no time at all to sort out a senior hire with notice of the vacancy.
And did I mention I don't want Benitez.
69 Posted 15/06/2021 at 16:25:52
The manager of a team that includes De Bruyne, Lukaku, Courtois and a host of other world beaters does not need to be any good. His tactics can simply be to show them which way to face at kick-off and let them get on with it.
Mike Walker could manage Belgium and look vaguely competent.
70 Posted 15/06/2021 at 16:33:34
We also have Baines in some coaching capacity? Next it'll be Seamus... The museum is expanding.
71 Posted 15/06/2021 at 16:37:34
By the way, Walker couldn't!
72 Posted 15/06/2021 at 16:41:46
73 Posted 15/06/2021 at 16:44:44
Benitez would undoubtedly steady the ship, wants to be in the area and, who knows, might just build something.
74 Posted 15/06/2021 at 16:46:58
It wouldn't surprise me if, after the Euros, Martinez came back.
He won't want to destabilise Belgium ATM, just a hunch, Benitez may be just lazy journalism.
75 Posted 15/06/2021 at 17:37:01
76 Posted 15/06/2021 at 17:41:04
moved away from Real Madrid in 1995, but management spells at Real Valladolid and Osasuna were short-lived and unsuccessful. He guided Segunda División side Extremadura back to the Primera División in his first season in 1997, but the team was relegated the following season. He left the club, and coached Tenerife in 2000, winning promotion in his only season.
Benítez was appointed coach of Valencia and won La Liga in the 2001–02 season. In 2004, another La Liga league title and a UEFA Cup victory were added building on the foundation laid by Héctor Cúper who had taken Valencia to two consecutive Champions League finals; in 2000 against Real Madrid, and in 2001 against Bayern Munich. After leaving Valencia, Benitez moved to English club Liverpool of the Premier League, guiding the club to victory in the UEFA Champions League in 2005. For the second consecutive season, he was named UEFA Manager of the Year. He also won the FA Cup in 2006 and reached the 2007 Champions League Final, but was unable to win the Premier League, with Liverpool's best league performance under Benítez a second-place finish in 2008–09.
After leaving Liverpool in June 2010, Benítez was appointed manager of treble-winning side Inter Milan. His reign at the club was a short one and he was dismissed midway through the 2010–11 season. In November 2012, he was appointed interim manager of Chelsea for the remainder of the season and he won the 2013 Europa League. He returned to Italy in 2013 to coach Napoli, where he won the Coppa Italia and Supercoppa Italiana. He then left Napoli and became coach of Real Madrid in June 2015 on an initial three-year contract. It was another short-lived appointment and on 4 January 2016, he was dismissed following a 2–2 draw against his old club, Valencia.
On 11 March 2016, Benítez was announced as the manager of Newcastle United in an attempt to save the club from relegation. He was unable to avoid relegation, but earned promotion back to the Premier League the following year, winning the Championship. He left the club in June 2019. In July 2019 he was appointed manager of Chinese Super League club Dalian Professional. On 23 January 2021 Benítez announced that he had left the club by mutual consent.
77 Posted 15/06/2021 at 17:48:05
Martin #67, it takes more than talent to craft a top international side. Look at Argentina's struggles. Look at Spain. Roberto hasn't just collected a bunch of stars, he's developed a system they can thrive in and has made good in-game coaching decisions. And he has kept everybody happy, which ain't easy. He deserves full credit.
HOWEVER... all he has to do is coach the team, he doesn't have to manage it as a club. I think it was his lack of organizational skills that caught up with him at Everton, and before that at Wigan. He doesn't have to worry about that at Belgium. He doesn't have to scout and buy players or negotiate contracts. Or manage a budget.
But again, he is never coming back to Everton. Especially, Dave #72, right before a World Cup that he will be favored to win. Sorry, no way.
78 Posted 15/06/2021 at 17:53:58
79 Posted 15/06/2021 at 17:54:28
If I thought Benitez was top class, great, but he aint. Nuno seems ok but not great.
I dont understand why we dont go for someone with an identity of how to play which fits in with our school of science ethos or an up and coming manager. All these names (which may be horseshit to be fair) all appear safe and average - bit like our team.
80 Posted 15/06/2021 at 18:06:02
I think I'd rather have Nuno than Benitez, so sorry Duncan, but if that means “Ya gotta go, then ya gotta go”!
82 Posted 15/06/2021 at 18:11:45
"Everton put eight or nine men behind the ball and defended deep 'but that's what small clubs do.'
Is Benítez wrong about what small clubs do?
"When a team comes to Anfield and only want a point what else can you call them but a small club?"
Did he imply Everton were a small club because when under Moyes Everton were fighting for just a draw and not a win?
Could you call Everton a small club for a team steeped in history to fight for a point instead of a win?
If there was less than a few shots at Anfield by Everton, would this not cause the red shite manager frustration?
"I was really disappointed because one team wanted to win the game and one team didn't want to lose it."
84 Posted 15/06/2021 at 18:32:27
85 Posted 15/06/2021 at 18:40:50
I'm not sure that's an argument you're going to win. The meaning in context was very clear: Everton played like a small club... although ironically it seems every club plays that way nowadays!
But I agree with your intent (or my perception of it): the jibe was true at the time, and sensitive Evertonians reacted with predictable wounded pride. Our football at times from the Ginger Minge was simply horrible. But that was plucky little Everton. [Of course it's okay if we say it!]
Thank you, David Moyes.
86 Posted 15/06/2021 at 19:30:46
87 Posted 15/06/2021 at 19:36:33
88 Posted 15/06/2021 at 19:36:50
89 Posted 15/06/2021 at 19:46:42
90 Posted 15/06/2021 at 19:58:39
I'm behind Nuno.. the supporters would give him time.. if Rafa lost a couple of matches in a row the support would turn on him.. lose 4 in a row..Goodison would be a toxic atmosphere.
If Rafa got the job.. he'd be sacked within the year.. and he'd love that..out the door with a huge payoff.. Still loved by the redshite.. and them laughing at us.
91 Posted 15/06/2021 at 21:18:52
92 Posted 15/06/2021 at 21:20:27
93 Posted 15/06/2021 at 21:38:46
94 Posted 15/06/2021 at 22:02:40
Harry said.. but they are trying the problem is they are crap footballers who can not do any better..
I think Carlo realized the same about our squad..
Who ever comes in as the new manager will still have a squad of players only capeable of mid table finish..
Raffa aint coming and Martinez haha Jamie your as deluded as the man himself who once blamed sticky grass for a poot result..
95 Posted 15/06/2021 at 22:05:14
96 Posted 15/06/2021 at 22:10:40
97 Posted 15/06/2021 at 22:47:32
I always liked Martinez, he took a chance and spent all his money on Lukaku, a brilliant decision, but injuries, and an ageing defence with no more money to buy a centre back, cost him. Remember he had to play Alcaraz a free transfer at centreback. As for Nuno, he picks his own backroom team, if the deal is being held up over not including BigDunc, we're a total shambles.
98 Posted 15/06/2021 at 23:14:59
99 Posted 15/06/2021 at 23:24:48
how the hell is he going to answer that one. Whereas Nuno didn't just get Wolves promoted, he actually won the thing.
100 Posted 15/06/2021 at 23:32:24
101 Posted 15/06/2021 at 23:49:04
102 Posted 15/06/2021 at 23:51:27
Whether Benitez's comments were lost in translation or not, Moyes's attitude to away games at what was then known as the “big four” clubs was certainly smalltime.
103 Posted 16/06/2021 at 00:23:54
104 Posted 16/06/2021 at 00:40:45
I posted, when I was lobbying to get him out of our club, that he was the worst coach I had every seen earn a living as a professional. I absolutely stand by that.
We lost a game at Southampton where his ineptitude was such that I commented that my next door neighbour's cat could do better. I would rather have Mike Walker's cat as our coach than the posturing fraudulent ninny. Belgium will rue the day they appointed him.
I suppose I should now recommend that you all stick a bet on Belgium.
105 Posted 16/06/2021 at 01:03:48
Maybe they'll win the Euros, maybe not. Maybe they'll win the WC, maybe not. But they'll never regret appointing Bobby.
We sure as hell should, however. You and I agree on that one.
106 Posted 16/06/2021 at 01:19:07
107 Posted 16/06/2021 at 01:33:38
Martinez is a good International Manager, but not a good League manager.
Horses for Courses.
Just think back to the faces of Lukaku and Mirallas as it was announced when they were coming out.
If they ever needed a video clip to define the dictionary definition of "what the absolute fuck" then that was it.
It has been said and disputed on here about people saying No to this one or that, without offering an alternative.
But Ifeel its ok to know what you don't want, much harder to know what you do want (Or need, as the stones tell us - you don't always get what you want, but you get what you need).
Once you've decided what you do want . or need.
It's even harder to be right.
Jack Ellam (iirc) nailed the 5 stages of recognition (want Vs need etc.)
Who is Jack Ellam?
Try Jack Ellam.
Get me Jack Ellam.
I want a 'Jack Ellam' type.
Who is Jack Ellam.
I want a 'Bielsa Type', a kick arse, off the wall nutter.
*wishes for the moon.
A modern day Clough - who if the stories are true, we very briefly flirted with then ran off with our apron over our face, like a scandalised kitchen maid with the vapours.
I can just about live with Nuno as he did decent stuff with Wolves and its all a gamble.
But Martinez ( he got luck twice with Lukaku, once in the League and once internationally - he won't get lucky a third time) is firmly in my 'fool me once etc' category.
No, just no.
108 Posted 16/06/2021 at 05:44:28
And a couple fellows wished Moshiri kept Roberto and gave him all that money to spend?
All at once: Barry, Luka, McCarthy, and DelBoy. Fantastic. Look past them and his signings range from meh to shit to Tarashaj.
Lot of things said about Kenwright/Walsh/Koeman that they had coming to them. Let's just not forget that the slide of the last 5 years was started by Martinez.
Bring him back? He didn't even consider important getting his players into 90 minutes of fitness. The most basic of basics.
109 Posted 16/06/2021 at 06:22:32
We have had the Hollywood managers Ancelotti and Koeman, the young pretender Silva and the self proclaimed greatest manager that ever lived all following Martinez and not one got anywhere near what Roberto achieved.
Not only did they not surpass him (5th place 72 points, last 16 in Europe and 2 Cup Semi's) they between them didn't even beat ONE of his individual achievements and this all done without Moshiri's money.
At Swansea he is statistically their greatest manager, At Wigan he won the FA Cup and kept them up all but one season and is definitely their greatest ever manager, at Belgium he is their greatest ever manager and even with us he is statistically one of our greatest managers despite his perception as a failure by some.
If Roberto hadn't managed here before he would be seen as the outstanding candidate on the list.
110 Posted 16/06/2021 at 07:34:36
Im no fan boy for Martinez but he isnt a terrible coach and certainly not the worst In our history by any measure, win percentage is perhaps the most useful (disregarding caretaker managers). Martinezs win percentage is only bettered by Harry Catterick, HK (first period) Colin Harvey and the recently departed Italian.
Andy I worked in Wigan for a number of years before retiring and he is revered by their fans not reviled. His achievement of winning the FA Cup with a club the size of Wigan is comparable with Wimbledon winning the FA Cup of 1988. If Moyes has managed to win something at Everton he would have been accorded the same status here.
111 Posted 16/06/2021 at 07:45:25
112 Posted 16/06/2021 at 07:48:44
My beginning of that post was for Andy and James
113 Posted 16/06/2021 at 07:51:15
What I recall was an idealist who would have rather gone down in flames than have been forced to change his formation and tippy tappy approach. Other teams had simply sussed how to counter it, and it became almost maddening to know exactly what was going to happen.
The big question is whether his obsession with the game led to him learning from that, and whether he is now willing to adapt when it isnt going right?
Belgium started with his old 4-2-3-1 in opening game. Itll be interesting to see if he sticks with it when the tougher games come and/or if they start losing……
114 Posted 16/06/2021 at 07:55:19
I despair over the Moshiri/Kenwright regime. Two bumbling amateurs who are taking us nowhere fast.
115 Posted 16/06/2021 at 07:57:42
116 Posted 16/06/2021 at 07:58:50
Forget Rafa, I dont think hes a right fit at all. I find the Roberto calls a bit ridiculous - hes a cup manager, thats it. Nice bloke, but once we were found out the problems began. Being 3-0 up with 20 minutes to go; and not being certain of the points wasnt good for my heart!
117 Posted 16/06/2021 at 08:16:13
Worryingly none of this has been addressed at Finch Farm for a long time. Like many of us, I'm sick to my back teeth of negative hanging on to a one-goal lead football. 3-4 seasons aside under Joe and Roberto, that is all we have had in nearly 30 years of the Premier League.
118 Posted 16/06/2021 at 08:28:59
Just go all guns for Galtier! Hes the only one who seems to have excited the majority of Evertonians and his record is pretty faultless. So far!
Failing that I still think Potter would get us playing the sort of football that Evertonians would very much appreciate. High energy, attacking football with young players that is not all Eddie Howe/Roberto Martinez in defense.
Most of all, let Brands choose! Love him or loathe him he is at least a dedicated football professional unlike Moshiri and Kenwright.
119 Posted 16/06/2021 at 08:30:29
120 Posted 16/06/2021 at 08:36:14
121 Posted 16/06/2021 at 08:49:50
122 Posted 16/06/2021 at 09:00:14
What is the strategy? What type of team and club do we want to be? As much as we have started laying the foundations at BMD, we need to start shaping the foundations of the team we want to play there. When we decide that, then target options that can deliver on that strategy.
My desperate forlorn hope is that the reason for this delay is that the club is thinking strategically for once.
Cue laughter and ridicule.
123 Posted 16/06/2021 at 09:05:41
The harsh reality, as Ancelotti put it, is that this is like waiting for a magician not a manager.
I agree with Sam that Galtier & Potter seem like a good fit (I put Santo in that camp too). But none of these guys are going to have Everton rocketing up the league into the Top 4 any time soon.
A good manager could make a difference in the early years of the Premier League (maybe before) but the competitive advantage to the 4 most expensively assembled squads is now so huge that it's not going to happen – at least not overnight.
The only way someone like Potter could do it is by working with Brands to overhaul a failed squad and build something to really compete in the 2023-24 season. That's a difficult strategy to adopt for a club that's made a habit of losing managers after 18 months.
124 Posted 16/06/2021 at 09:16:23
The guy has won things. That is what we need. Too often, we make choices as a club for sentimental reasons. I think Benitez did well at Newcastle with the resources he was given.
My ideal choice would be Galtier or Rangnick.
125 Posted 16/06/2021 at 09:33:14
It's a big No from me.
Nailed on then – Murphy's law was named after me.
126 Posted 16/06/2021 at 10:33:09
On this basis there must be somebody we haven't considered as I can't believe that either Nuno or Benitez could possibly need this much research into their history. If it is between these two then it has to be the Portugeezer.
The only other reason I can see is that there is either problems in the Boardroom, Bill wants to wait until the 1st of a month in his usual penny pinching manner or it's a national manager still involved with the Euros but as Mike Gaynes points out, why would the Manager of the highest ranked national team, or any high ranking national side, leave less than 18 months before the World Cup?
My hope is an as yet unconsidered (by us) third choice either at the Euros or we are in negotiation to buy him out of wherever he is now.
127 Posted 16/06/2021 at 10:46:42
Hopefully the Fat Spanish Waiter stories are also fake. Either that or Kenwright has memory lapses... and Mosh hasn't a clue.
I've looked at the fixtures out this morning but, if that gobshite is our manager, l won't be watching.
128 Posted 16/06/2021 at 10:48:05
Sheds no further light, but puts Rafa and Nuno on a par with other unnamed candidates as the saga continues to drag on and on...
How's the betting looking now???
129 Posted 16/06/2021 at 10:57:11
Paddy Power just told me "sorry we can't find that one". I feel dejected as we are obviously nothing to them, but I'm probably not the best one to ask for finding betting odds.
130 Posted 16/06/2021 at 11:16:03
I think they are looking for a 'big name' manager who is not going to demand radical change at Everton. Ance!otti took the job and it was accepted that his backroom team would fit in. It took six months after Anchelotti's appointment for a final announcement to be made regarding their positions.
So you have Moshiri, the owner, looking a big name and Kenwright, the Chairman, not looking for radical change. The others in the selection process are falling into either of these camps. It's a battle between the perceptions of these two sides. Benitez is the Joker: though a big name he will agree to not implementing radical change.
I prefer Nuno who seems to stand up for his principles and thought he would be a compromise for both camps, but he is looking for change. I would not be surprised that Moshiri is working on an unrevealed big name.
Potter is good and everything you and Sam say is right, but he isn't within a shout of the criteria, I believe, of these two camps.
Imo, the Everton objective is to build on Anchlotti's analysis and plan, and this is part of the selection criteria. They believe they have the framework in place and a backroom team built up over 20 years to help the new manager to implement it and take it forward.
I also think that they did not think Ancelotti had the right skill fit to work with the Everton backroom structure and players and have convinced themselves of this. Ancelotti's public comments regarding skill and effort meant that he was beaten and the response he got as a result confirmed it.
The Everton establishment believe that they should be in the Top 4, but the whole culture of Everton is midtable and maybe a European spot.
For me, the promotion of Brands and the recent reinforcement of the establishment means that radical changes are not going to come anytime soon.
131 Posted 16/06/2021 at 11:21:47
I do think appointing Benítez will cause a lot more outrage than they could possibly realise, though, but life is full of irony...
If Rafa did get the job and won Everton a trophy, just watching how the fans celebrate will make him realise he couldn't have been further from the truth when he called Everton a small club – but only because of its great supporters!
132 Posted 16/06/2021 at 11:31:07
I've heard and read the exact opposite: Moshiri wants Nuno, Kenwright wants Benitez. It would seem that the attractiveness of Everton has waned and, seeing as how Ancelotti left us in the lurch so quickly and his contacts within the football world, it might put off any would-be candidates.
We'll never get the truth of the matter but it's pretty obvious we don't have too many choices. If Nuno doesn't arrive, I think they'll sell Benitez to the fans with Big Dunc as his assistant.
133 Posted 16/06/2021 at 11:35:41
134 Posted 16/06/2021 at 11:41:49
135 Posted 16/06/2021 at 11:46:10
Nuno 1/2 (had been 1/20), Spanish Waiter 7/2,14/1 bar.
Like Jerome, my own guess is that Moshiri is working on a "big name".
Personally, I'd go for Unai Emery, a man who works well with a DoF, knows how to win trophies, has Premier League experience, and has something to prove in the Premier League, so would be motivated. A realistic target.
136 Posted 16/06/2021 at 11:48:00
Having been put through this for weeks, just like waiting for a bus, we're going to end up with 3 managers when this is over with Moshiri, Brands and Kenwright all looking at each other confused.
Just as I was calming and convincing myself the club were taking their time because they were thinking with a strategy for the future.
What time is it?
137 Posted 16/06/2021 at 11:50:53
138 Posted 16/06/2021 at 11:57:00
139 Posted 16/06/2021 at 12:01:10
That's not cryptic for Martinez, there will likely be a few.
140 Posted 16/06/2021 at 12:06:49
141 Posted 16/06/2021 at 12:09:53
Given it is highly unlikely Moshiri has the time or inclination to stop Brands wanting to select and buy most of the players, and/or stop Bill from wanting the old Everton brigade in the backroom . then perhaps it's best we embrace it and look for a man most likely to accept that situation and work WITH IT not against it.
I very much doubt that's Nuno, and I doubt it would be Rafa either. For me, it's gotta be Duncan, surrounded closely by people like Tim Cahill and perhaps even bringing back other stallwarts like Phil Neville and Jags into the coaching team. Let brands buy the players, and the others create an environment they enjoy.
It's a big risk to 'embrace being Everton' but it's just as big as one to give a new manager his own backroom and 50% of the player buys too. Roll the dice.
142 Posted 16/06/2021 at 12:17:06
You are right we so need to hire someone, but not just anyone.
143 Posted 16/06/2021 at 12:24:10
But we are talking Everton here. We are not talking about a professional business.
144 Posted 16/06/2021 at 12:25:54
His relentless positivity is effective in small doses but over a 40-50 game season can come across as insincere.
I remember him describing a draw at Crystal Palace as ‘phenomenal!
Id be ok with NES, Rafa or Howe.
145 Posted 16/06/2021 at 12:39:00
Hopefully somewhere else though.
146 Posted 16/06/2021 at 13:09:59
147 Posted 16/06/2021 at 13:13:24
I wasn't saying "Just hire anyone", I was saying "Hire Benitez". Take the bile and hatred out of the equation and he's a talented manager. He's not had an opportunity like this for many years and I thought at the time that he was a better choice than Martinez, Koeman, Silva or Allardyce, and I've said this before.
I get that the vast majority have been very upset and offended by him and what he has said but I haven't been. I take little offence to name-calling etc, it's water off a duck's back to me. I'm after a worker and I think he'd be a good fit for us.
Don't worry about what I'm spouting about anyway, he won't get it. If they wanted him, he would have been hired by now because he'd bite our hands off if the job was offered. I think there is something afoot and I'm not sure what, so don't worry, he won't get it.
148 Posted 16/06/2021 at 13:15:59
149 Posted 16/06/2021 at 13:17:31
That's interesting. Surprised that Bill does not want him, obviously thinks he will be difficult to manage, which would be a plus point with me. We all have our suspicions of Benitez. Bill does not believe him, thinking it would be different when Benitez gets his feet under the table.
A Spanish Waiter is always worth watching: professional, knowledgeable, and always in control of the situation. The fact he has always had his base in Liverpool will make him acutely aware of how he is perceived.
He stuck with Newcastle when they went down. Not many Big Name managers would have done that.
150 Posted 16/06/2021 at 13:19:24
At Porto, so I'm told, he sidelined Ruben Neves, only to sign him on the cheap for Wolves, the following season.
His coaching skills notwithstanding, I think we should steer well clear of him.
151 Posted 16/06/2021 at 13:20:00
152 Posted 16/06/2021 at 13:23:19
I know I don't want Benitez or Eddie Howe and would consider Nuno the best of an unambitious list. But maybe that's where we are.
As has been said on many occasions here, the consensus amongst us fans seems to that most are more settled on who they don't want and a lot of them are on the rumour list. If that is to be believed.
153 Posted 16/06/2021 at 13:26:07
Er, actually I'd be pretty livid if that was the way the club handled this situation. I hope that the club already has a list of possible new recruits that would be shown to a candidate late in the recruitment stage for their feedback.
Also, I'd want any serious targets who are appearing in the tournament to be well and truly courted by now (subject to medical / work permit, etc). Isn't that the whole point of employing Brands?
Then I'd ask the new manager for a shortlist of his personal ‘wildcards' for consideration.
154 Posted 16/06/2021 at 13:29:11
155 Posted 16/06/2021 at 13:32:34
156 Posted 16/06/2021 at 13:41:39
I myself am not excited about hiring Nuno either. He is in the "Meh" category for me. Just hoping that the delay is due to the fact that we are still negotiating with the Galtier - Ten Hag team. One can only hope!
157 Posted 16/06/2021 at 14:37:58
158 Posted 16/06/2021 at 14:45:51
" low risk, younger men who've had success with getting good performances"
How do you define "low risk"? I imagine Potter would be expensive just in the sense of paying off his Brighton deal. The risk is what? that he doesn't get top 6? I'd say anyone is a risk in that respect. But I also think there's the scarier risk of relegation. Potter have survived by the skin of his teeth has the edge there over Parker.
Now, I am not saying these guys are useless. There are reasons to think they could do well. But given our aspirations, I'd say it would be a huge leap of faith to take either. One has managed a yoyo team, the other a basement dweller. I'd sooner seem them hone their skills at a larger club before taking the plunge
159 Posted 16/06/2021 at 14:53:21
160 Posted 16/06/2021 at 15:10:41
We want a manager that has started from the bottom and worked his way up to build successful sides and Benitez fits that criteria.
My own view is, who is the best available, with contract demands that suit the club. Surely the club has a list and is taking its time to find the best manager available of getting success on the playing side, and not someone who has made negative comments about the club previously.
Comments do not win games it is the players on the pitch and the managers tactics and game plan. Just get someone in to start the season.
161 Posted 16/06/2021 at 15:19:13
162 Posted 16/06/2021 at 15:19:35
I don't care about his comments. I am more worried about his performance. Newcastle fans loved him but I think they were dazzled by his reputation. The same fans hounded Alan Pardew out of there who kept them out of trouble and even got into Europe, and had no money to spend at all. Benitez spent big there and poorly. The football was dull than dish water. It's a long time since he was a top manager and even then, he couldn't sustain it anywhere for long.
163 Posted 16/06/2021 at 15:34:12
164 Posted 16/06/2021 at 15:37:25
165 Posted 16/06/2021 at 15:39:18
But I think we need to ask the question about Nuno, isn't he the lazy (and cheap) option? Would we be beating a path to Wolves door if he wasn't available, I very much doubt it.
The possibility that Buffalo Bill can still influence this decision amazes me. How awfully amateurish how typically Everton under that clown.
166 Posted 16/06/2021 at 15:45:55
It could be worse.
My own choice is another ex-red, but I doubt we could tempt Rodgers from his happy family at Cup-winning Leicester City.
167 Posted 16/06/2021 at 15:48:11
Here are the red flags:
At Real Madrid: "he was dismissed following allegations of unpopularity with supporters, displeasure with players"
At Newcastle: "Ashley criticised Benítez following his departure, stating that Benítez's demands made it impossible for him to remain as manager."
At Inter: Inherited champions of Europe, slumped to sixth in the league, said the team weren't good enough and demanded new signings. Then got sacked as the team were until he came, more than good enough.
At Liverpool: Oversaw Liverpool's worst run in 22 years
At Valencia: Benítez fell out with Jesús García Pitarch, the club's director of football, over control of new signings
At Valladolid 17 pct win rate, Osasuna 27 pct, Dalian 31 pct.
Pretty much every club he goes to, he has issues with the players, wants to spend more money than the club have, then blames transfer policy for his failings. He at best keeps good clubs close to where they were, and poorer clubs get worse.
168 Posted 16/06/2021 at 15:52:32
Galtier, Conte, Ten Hag in that order.
If this board is that useless that they cant manage to get one of those 3 then we might as well appoint big Dunc and have a board restructure.
Nuno is underwhelming and Benitez is just beneath us and has not impressed wherever he has been in recent years.
169 Posted 16/06/2021 at 16:14:02
Sorry for the delay in replying, I've spent the whole of the second half of the Russia game trying to find the link to what I read, either the buggers have altered their story or I have failed to locate what I read.
I read it on one of the click-bait sites and it quoted Dominic King as the source, shortly before you posted, which is why I replied.
Anyway, the latest thing I read is that Moshiri wants to push ahead with Benitez to the chagrin of Brands, as Derek and Clive live noted "What a way to run a bloody ballroom!"
This isn't what I had read earlier but it shows where Kenwright stands if true!
Speaking on the Transfer Window Podcast, Duncan Castles has claimed that Bill Kenwright is pushing for Rafa Benitez to become the new Everton manager after David Moyes signed a new contract at West Ham.
Castles reported last week that Kenwright wasn't against the idea of pushing Benitez, but his first choice has always been to get Moyes back to Goodison Park.
However, after the option of appointing Moyes was taken off the table when he signed his new West Ham deal, and now Kenwright is actively pushing for Benitez.
170 Posted 16/06/2021 at 16:19:20
Then Nuno it will be.
Kenwright has no power, nous, or opinion Moshiri needs to listen to. Or even acknowledge.
171 Posted 16/06/2021 at 16:20:52
172 Posted 16/06/2021 at 16:21:34
Kenwright has the power to disrupt if nothing else, and who is it that keeps leaking information to the media?
173 Posted 16/06/2021 at 16:43:13
This is utter crap. By the time he was put out of his misery the team was rudderless and took it upon themselves in a semi final to change tactics!!
He had alienated himself by taking one of the clubs best players and trying to stamp his authority by making an example of him.
He had a good season. Followed by two terrible seasons with odd highlights. He had plenty of time to turn things around and stuck to his guns to a point of ridiculousness.
He's done well with Belgium, and I wouldn't discount him returning now he has gained some valuable experience, but he certainly had to go, perhaps should have been moved out earlier.
I hope it's not Rafa. Not because he isn't a decent coach, I am sure he could get around top 7 or so. But he is never going to win over the fans. Newcastle fans loved him because he was better than they thought they could get, just like Carlo at Everton. Chelsea fans hated him because of his Liverpool days, and even though he steadied the ship and won them a cup they wanted him out. He needs to be loved, and he will never be loved at Everton. He also makes a habit of pissing off owners.
Would love Conte. It wouldn't last long but it would be fun.
174 Posted 16/06/2021 at 16:45:44
At Liverpool, oversaw Liverpool's worst run in 22 years.
You can also say at Liverpool from 2004 until 2010, played 350 games, lost 79, and had a winning percentage of 55.4% At that time, he was in conflict with the owners who Liverpool supporters got rid of.
I have an open mind on who Everton sign as a manager and will back whoever it is; I just want them to make sure they get the best available – not a rumour.
175 Posted 16/06/2021 at 16:47:48
This is so depressing; I will be absolutely gutted if we appoint Rafa.
176 Posted 16/06/2021 at 16:51:19
We had the same hysteria when it was mooted back in late 2019 that Moyes was coming back.
Be it Rafa or Nuno, I will be supporting them.
177 Posted 16/06/2021 at 16:57:27
I will ultimately support whoever it is, be it President Assad, Bielzelbul, Gerrard. I have no choice. I can't support the team and the not the manager. I just hope it's not Rafa.
178 Posted 16/06/2021 at 17:25:19
I've also been told that both Moshiri and Usmanov quite like Rafa, but again this is nothing but pure speculation on my part, because it's nothing more than a guessing game up to now!
179 Posted 16/06/2021 at 17:26:53
It's funny how we all see things differently. Over 50% want Galtier after Lyndon's article. Personally I think this would be a crazy appointment because if anyone suggested him last year he would be laughed out of town.
They win the French title primarily because PSG exploded under Tuchel and they finished top in a tight league where four teams fought out a close finish. I think back to Paul Le Guen at Rangers who won three successive French titles at a canter before becoming a joke figure at Ibrox.
180 Posted 16/06/2021 at 17:42:34
Good point on Le Guen. Similar with Garde and Puel. I'd say it's a red flag that Lille were happy for Galthier to leave, as they announced mid season for mediocre Nice. Then they decide to hold him to his contract after the fact just to cash in on his surprise success. Also reminds me of a fellow named Wim Jansen at Celtic. Won the league to end Rangers' long run of dominance then left and sank into oblivion. Based on that one season he was awesome, obviously there was more to the story.
181 Posted 16/06/2021 at 17:56:26
I think Barry means this:
182 Posted 16/06/2021 at 18:32:38
183 Posted 16/06/2021 at 18:34:27
184 Posted 16/06/2021 at 18:39:57
Now would you take Martinez?
185 Posted 16/06/2021 at 18:42:08
186 Posted 16/06/2021 at 18:43:45
187 Posted 16/06/2021 at 18:45:02
Good point on Galthier.
Bill should have no say in the new manager, he sold his majority shares, and Benitez's CV over the last 10 years is abysmal.
188 Posted 16/06/2021 at 18:47:41
I'd rather Beelzabub get appointed than Benitez.
We officially have zero pride if we appoint this guy. Zero. It's mortifying and embarrassing we'll go to a man who managed them and called us a small club.
Just no pride. Sickening. If this happens I'll be beside myself.
189 Posted 16/06/2021 at 18:49:20
190 Posted 16/06/2021 at 18:51:11
191 Posted 16/06/2021 at 18:55:27
I hope to God youre right and talkSport are talking shite.
192 Posted 16/06/2021 at 18:56:41
Speculating again, but the only way Kenwright would want Benitez imo, is if it was the only way Duncan Ferguson, could stay on at Everton, but Im not sure any of us no anything, and when my source asked his mate was Rafa still in the frame because his nephew, was waiting on a big bet, the reply was tell him Ill buy half the bet.
193 Posted 16/06/2021 at 18:59:03
194 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:01:21
Thanks, pal, I searched all over the place for that, missing the second half of the Russia game too (didn't miss a lot). Nuno must have been asking for the earth and a say in transfers for Benitez to have a chance of the Goodison gig.
195 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:01:37
196 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:03:00
197 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:05:55
198 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:06:35
199 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:07:46
200 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:08:06
Suggests the bookies are pretty convinced to me.
201 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:09:48
202 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:10:08
203 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:11:13
204 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:11:26
(Oh God! what have we done again!)
But the upside is he will have a lot to prove and, if he can motivate our players, who knows?
205 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:11:45
206 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:12:19
207 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:12:54
208 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:13:16
209 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:15:14
Gutted if true.
He'll be on the phone to Carragher laughing his fucking head off.
210 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:16:35
211 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:18:28
212 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:18:44
213 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:18:55
214 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:20:24
Any manager with half a football brain has looked what Ancelotti went through and thought, no thanks.
Beneathus, Dunc and maybe a few odds and sods here and there are the only viable candidates.
215 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:20:56
216 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:23:07
I think this is Moshiri not Kenwright personally.
Live forum time?
217 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:23:09
RedShite Rafa... NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!
218 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:23:09
219 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:23:29
I know they'll go and blow this out of the water by announcing Benitez this afternoon, but are we waiting for and in negotiation with an international manager who is going to announce his departure after the Euros?
Have you got this weekend's lottery numbers?
220 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:23:30
Shite manager though.
221 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:23:37
222 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:24:31
Yes he's got a past history with Liverpool but so what, Peter Beardsley didn't do too badly for Everton did he?
As for the "small team" jibe, it came as a heat of the moment lapse because we had frustrated them in the derby twice that season and that was then, this is now.
Give him a chance to redeem those words, there's no way he's going to take a job and be a deliberate failure.
223 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:24:57
224 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:25:15
If it is the FSW then I wish him all the best. Hed better win the treble next season or he can fuck off!!!!!
225 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:25:26
This has got to be some joke.
He's past-it, arrogant, plays boring football, done nothing in years, demands huge budget, doesn't develop young players and he's a fucking redshite.
Fuck this shit.
Moshiri: Time to get the fuck out of our club.
226 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:25:50
227 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:26:17
Not only is the football going to be turgid, conservative guff, but I think he's a right detestable bloke as well.
228 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:27:01
There's the difference.
229 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:27:48
What an astounding way to divide the fanbase!!! But it means lots of angry debate on ToffeeWeb. Which is always a lot of fun.
Perhaps I should declare a vested interest...
230 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:28:48
231 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:28:58
Also he is not another Le Guen. This huy builds a decent team from whatever is available to him and his teams play an expansive footy. Paul Le Guen belongs to a different era where PSG was another team like Nice, Lyon, etc before they were bought by sheik whatever his name is.
232 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:30:29
Hell get them fit and organised. Therell be no arm around their shoulders. No cuddles or shared fags. In fact, he just might get them playing as a team. Im still gutted though.
233 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:30:36
234 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:31:16
235 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:32:00
236 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:32:20
Is Rafa boring, yes, an ex RS yes, but he is steady and thats what we need for a few seasons, the club has been chaotic for too long.
237 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:32:34
238 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:32:42
Winning trophies has that affect.
Our away fans are very much united. Every single week.
239 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:33:57
240 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:34:05
Paddy Power Beneathus @ 1/25
241 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:34:40
This is quite frankly the most divisive move the Board could have made and it is a guarantee that if the fans are in the stadium during any loses they will make their opinions on him very loud.
Personally, I hate it and I'm well aware I'm not alone. Working from home is going to be a blessing so I don't have to deal with any Kopites any time soon.
242 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:36:02
243 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:36:25
I think there has been a manager who has occupied both dugouts but it was back in the early days. William Edward Barclay (14 June 1857 – 30 January 1917) was the first manager of Everton and also the first manager of Liverpool, working with club secretary John McKenna. This has been disputed by some from across the park as they maintain that Barclay was only an administrative secretary and Mckenna was responsible for on-field affairs.
244 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:36:33
I give up with this club bunch of armatures from the pitch to the boardroom.
245 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:36:38
246 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:37:14
And if that meant hiring anyone from Everton they wouldn't hesitate.
247 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:38:00
248 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:38:17
I cant get behind him, sorry.
I know I should but I just cant. Maybe he was right when he called us a small club because this is a small appointment.
249 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:38:52
The odds of relegation just before or in the first season of BMD led by another agent of the reds must be shortening by the minute.
So glad I don't take this club seriously anymore
250 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:39:00
251 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:39:40
If Benitez gets it Ill be very interested to see Everton fans views. Not because I care bit more whether theyre on a par with Chelsea fans who acted like clowns from his first day there.
252 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:40:19
253 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:40:52
254 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:42:15
255 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:42:36
256 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:42:43
At least I have my euro fantasy football league (which Im currently leading) to look forward to. Next season is going to be murder.
257 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:42:50
258 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:43:32
I just cant see Benitez taking us forward in the manner that would be acceptable to most fans. We might just as well have kept Big Sam and saved a shed full of compensation.
FSW is not renowned for scintillating football.
259 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:44:05
260 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:44:17
261 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:44:38
Above all, it's humiliating. The club is treated as a laughing stock anyway especially by RS fans but this would take it up several notches. The has-been former manager of our lauded neighbours, someone who publicly belittled the club, sat in our dugout. Seriously?
Benitez has a crap CV since the mid-noughties, is linked to no other jobs of note and is linked to us solely on the basis that he is out of work and lives locally.
It would be an admission by the club that no one of any quality is remotely interested. And who can blame them? Koeman, Allardyce, Silva and Ancelotti couldn't last more than 18 months.
I still can't bring myself to believe it and expect Nuno but if this happens I'll feel as empty as I would with a relegation.
262 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:45:05
263 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:45:45
264 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:45:54
265 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:46:26
266 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:48:31
267 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:48:37
268 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:49:10
For those opposed to him just just regard it as Benitez on the verge of becoming Everton's next former manager.
269 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:50:16
Ive heard the protest-plane will be flying tomorrow, but it wont phase Benitez, and I genuinely think if the press are reporting that Kenwright, was behind this, then the other two have had enough of him now, and are going to try and stitch him up.
270 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:50:27
Geoff I'm pretty sure the club will allow you to reverse your renewal if you ask in the near future.
I'll know for sure tomorrow, if this is true.
Tony, ffs nobody's going to put the club at risk just to stitch Kenwright up!
271 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:50:36
272 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:50:43
273 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:51:05
274 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:51:46
275 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:52:19
This is a fucking disgrace.
276 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:53:08
277 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:53:37
Step forward, Rafa, and make Everton great again with some Silverware. We need to move forward – not keep looking in the past. Let's give the guy our full support – he's certainly got mine.
278 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:53:46
279 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:54:04
280 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:54:53
281 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:55:13
I vow to you to grab the banner and lead the anti-Benitez charge on TW if this shithouse becomes our manager.
Shithouse used purposely.
I will go scorched fucking earth.
282 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:56:18
283 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:56:53
284 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:57:29
285 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:58:21
They shit in a public stall and don't flush.
286 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:58:44
The RS are pissing themselves at us. Their old has been cast offs.
Get Steve McMahon in as his number 2!
287 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:59:40
288 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:00:32
289 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:00:48
290 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:01:22
If it is Rafa then so be it, not my preference but as always EFC will have my full support come the start of the season. And considering that Rafa looks likely to be employed by EFC as manager he will have my support to.
291 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:01:54
292 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:02:04
293 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:02:18
294 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:02:33
295 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:03:28
296 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:03:49
297 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:04:09
She was probably the most honest party involved :/
298 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:04:11
299 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:04:42
300 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:04:53
I think the only things that any supporter can do is either support the team and by default the manager, or go and do something else with his/her time. Demonstrations against the appointment will not change the minds of those who allegedly lead the club, so it would be a futile exercise, no matter how much anger surrounds the decision.
301 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:05:00
Never met you but I could kiss you for sharing that glimmer of hope
302 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:05:19
303 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:05:25
Players and managers come and go. The club has been around for 143 years, and no doubt will be for a further 143 years. I support the club, not the manager. If he comes in, so be it. When we score I won't be cheering Benitez, I'll be cheering the team and the player who scored. The only manager I never wanted, and was totally against, was Fucking Allardyce! Not saying I totally want Benitez, but let's just see how things pan out?
304 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:05:35
Then we'll be in the clear.
305 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:05:43
He then Joined Inter Milan, who had just won the Treble (League, Champion's League, and Cup). He once again demanded a huge budget to deflect the blame for him taking them to 6th in the league. And was sacked after just a few months.
He then spent one season at Chelsea, who again we're holding European Champions and was chased out after one season.
Then 2 seasons at Napoli, which saw the club decline of over his spell and failing to qualify for the Champions League in his final season.
Then 6 months at Real Madrid, as the fans just would not accept the abysmal style of football being played.
Then Newcastle, which saw relegation, then promotion, then survival in the premier League with abysmal football and constant demands for more money to spend.
Then China, where he achieved nothing.
He's currently 61 and unemployed and there are very few clubs who would hire him.
Why oh why
What on earth.
Moshiri get the fuck out of Everton
306 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:06:35
307 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:07:14
If however, it is Benitez this tells you everything you need to know about our board, thick as shit and haven't a scooby in what they are doing.
Sadly there isn't any hope this club will ever progress. They've already tarnished the club with appointing Allardyce and now potentially this joker who would finally get to manage a small club afterall.
Pathetic if true, these people simply have no shame. Start up the demonstrations should this appointment happens.
308 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:07:54
309 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:08:38
310 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:08:57
311 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:09:10
Moshiri is starting to make Kenwright look like quite the wise old football sage and that's really saying something.
Sack Brands now, what's the point in his existance at this club.
312 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:10:06
Your support of the Club is unbelievable. It's commendable and fantastic.
But even you, surely once taking off the blue specs, can't be in favor of this???
Rob, he called the Club that is near your life and heart a "small club". He's always been a snarky little fucker towards Everton. His recent managerial results and CV is shite.
How can you be behind this, or if that's a bridge too far, how can you even want to see how things pan out? We're looking at bottom half if we're lucky, shit boring football, all orchestrated by a fella who's thumbed his nose at us and publicly insulted us, and managed THEM!???
313 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:10:07
314 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:10:50
315 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:11:31
I think you've misread my post, I was merely pointing out what options are available to supporters if they disagreed with something or were so angry about a decision made by the board.
I'll be there on August 14th as per usual covid situation notwithstanding.
On reflection I misread your response, you can do as you please, but I don't know what you'll achieve by shouting and bawling at Rafa - if he comes - it certainly won't help the players.
316 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:12:19
This clubs is many years from winning anything or playing in Europe but still we can all smile when Moshiri pockets a fortune by selling the club with the shiny new stadium.
317 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:12:35
Although the puzzle for me is why the fans would not be united in protest against tolerating lousy managers who have us playing lousy football? Darren told me that was because there are too many Happy Clappers amongst our number, who have of course cheered those wins (you silly man) but will always support the manager because he is appointed by the club.
I wonder if the club consulted the much-vaunted Fans Forum on this seemingly incendiary matter?
Something suggests not...
318 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:12:44
319 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:13:14
I'm just going to start practicing drawing pentagrams for kicks.
320 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:13:50
Sorry mate I don't understand your latest post. Not being funny.
I thought your original post suggested the Moshiri and Brands were trying to give Kenwright enough rope to hang himself if it was him who pushed for Benitez?
I questioned whether they'd put the club at risk just to do that?
321 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:13:54
322 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:14:39
323 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:15:08
324 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:15:45
What is the intellectual thought process behind even considering this clown??
325 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:16:31
326 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:17:18
327 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:18:00
328 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:18:17
329 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:18:52
I hated the appointment of Allardyce, but he didnt try and publicly slate our club like this man. I wish I was magnanimous enough to say I support the club not the manager, because for me the two are inextricably linked. At this moment in time my plan is to sell the games for my season ticket on stub hub until he has gone, hopefully a shorter tenure than Allardyce.
Maybe we need to hire the red who fired a rocket launcher into the Liver buildings, not because Moshiri the part owner of the building had said anything derogatory about LFC, he did it just to show how much they hate Everton. I am sure this appointment will have them screaming with laughter, and even if it all ends in tears in12 months we will never be able to remove the stain form our club.
330 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:18:56
331 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:19:44
If it comes to pass, any protests shouldn't just be focused on Rafa it should be on all of them. The crap players who keep causing managerial changes, the crap DOF who keeps signing crap players, the crap owner who seems like an elderly abuse victim being robbed of his savings, and above all the crap chairman who brought in the crap owner. It's like the lady swallowing the fly scenario. One bad thing leads to a resolution that's making things worse.
332 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:20:49
Not sure about my correlation Michael, suggests its something youve never actually witnessed, maybe.
333 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:21:03
334 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:21:46
335 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:22:07
"Fight"? That is exactly what Trump suggested which led to the Capitol invasion in Washington in January by his deluded followers. Is that what you are suggesting?
That you and others of the same view as you should attack Goodison Park or Finch Farm? If not, then you should choose your words more carefully.
336 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:22:21
At the end of the day, there is fuck-all anybody can do about it. I'm not giving up my season ticket just because I don't want the manager who's about to take over.
Those who say they are, or those who say they've had enough, SEE YA, DON'T LET THE DOOR SMACK YER ARSE ON THE WAY OUT!!
If it makes you feel better, then I'm pleased for you, but you won't be missed!!
337 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:23:33
I'm glad I read your post because you've suggested an option I hadn't even considered.
I was in a quandary as giving up my season ticket would mean having little or no chance of getting one for Bramley-Moore Dock when the Fat Spanish Waiter would be long gone.
You've come up with the prefect solution, cheers!
338 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:24:42
339 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:25:16
I couldn't care less if he pissed on the Street End corner flag, results is what matter.
And don't give me all this bollox about "We are Everton, we have class etc." We are shite and a shambles; if he can turn that around, I'll love the man.
340 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:25:23
341 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:26:04
Do I have to join the Happy Clappers?
342 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:27:14
343 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:27:26
SACK THE BOARD!
344 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:27:59
Let them laugh. Because if he turns the club around and we start challenging for honours, they'll be fucking laughing on the other side of their faces. He is not my preferred choice... but give up my season ticket? No fucking chance. UTFT!
345 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:29:02
Even if we accept it to a point, 2 defeats in a row and it'll be toxic!
I'd honestly rather Steve Bruce, Alan Pardew, Alan Curbishley, Tony Pulis...
346 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:29:52
347 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:31:17
348 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:32:00
Nuno must have pissed on someone's chips not to get it.
349 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:32:15
350 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:32:34
351 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:33:03
You can have my happy clapper spot, been trying to flog it on Ebay but someone flagged it as a scam.
352 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:33:33
353 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:33:58
Martinez for me out of that choice. No doubt at all.
354 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:34:14
If he doesn't have us challenging for honours, but instead has us struggling, which is far more likely than the former going on his recent and not so recent achievements, the other lot will be laughing on all sides of their faces and it's something they'd never ever let us forget.
355 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:34:26
356 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:34:41
Nuno has a huge team apparently and wants every one of them at his next club, so Palace told him to fuck off.
I do not believe Benítez will be appointed.
357 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:36:44
358 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:37:13
359 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:37:17
Like I said, a lazy appointment - lives locally, prem experience and wants the job.
My only hope is that hes quite bloody minded and has an arrogance that may help - he wont give a feck what anyone thinks or who he upsets.
360 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:37:30
Kieran – I think you're right, if this happens, the rot is deep. I'd hope the backlash against Rafa would force a domino to fall above. If it doesn't, then it's Moshiri and he needs to go too. Enough is enough.
361 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:37:36
362 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:38:52
363 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:39:18
364 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:40:32
No, we defo don't want a big team. I don't think he will be appointed either. But, if he is, he is thick-skined and got a lot of protests by Chelsea fans but he still got then the Europa League and 3rd in the Premier League. But yes, it was a few years ago.
365 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:40:51
I wouldn't worry too much about whether season tickets will be available in the new stadium should some give them up now in protest, there will probably be plenty and at a cheaper price... They can't charge what they are now for the Championship or League One.
366 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:42:41
367 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:43:03
I also can't believe Roberto would leave the Belgium job a year before the World Cup.
But Mark Ogden of ESPN is quite a credible reporter.
So I guess one shock or the other might actually be happening.
Either way I'll still get on a plane to come watch.
368 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:44:25
369 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:45:00
370 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:45:05
371 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:45:44
372 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:45:59
373 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:46:00
374 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:46:09
There's only two bookies offering odds and at silly odds.
375 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:46:22
376 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:47:36
Let's hope big Dunc does him in and throws him in the dock.
377 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:47:52
378 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:47:55
The club is a shambles; hopefully this man can change the mentality. I am okay with him taking the job.
379 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:48:51
I'd bet ToffeeWeb isn't the only Everton site displaying outrage.
380 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:49:23
381 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:49:48
Pat, you're in midseason form today.
382 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:49:51
Kenwright has gone for Rafa to keep Duncan here... What the fuck have Everton FC come to???
383 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:50:20
384 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:50:47
385 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:50:48
Can't wait for your lone voice at Goodison "O Rafa we love you yes we do.. O Rafa...".
386 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:50:48
First thing that's made me laugh since the Rafa rumor broke lol
387 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:51:31
(that being said, I'd be absolutely stunned if he was willing to walk away from Belgium)
388 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:53:10
389 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:55:52
Alan Myers actually said, "My understanding is that Rafa Benitez has NOT been offered the Everton job at this point, talks however have taken place."
390 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:56:50
The article states explicitly that Roberto has Brands backing as well as the barnacle. Supposedly Moshiri is the Rafanator.
391 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:58:22
Nuno – too defensive and poor last season
Howe – no defensive nous
Duncan – too inexperienced
Dyche – long ball merchant
Potter – too inexperienced
Conte – Champions League manager
Simeone – Champions League manager
Moyes – too divisive and never go back
Galtier – had one good season
Argentinian bloke – who????
Roberto – poor with us after first season and never go back
Rafa has dropped his 'elite manager' status but strikes me as hungry to prove some people wrong, especially across the park. He will bust a gut to beat that shower and show he still has it. He will be vocal on the touch line, he will get us properly fit and he will not tolerate the timid approach of our serial losers.
His "small club" comment was just sour grapes after we stopped them from getting a much-needed 3 points and I can forgive him that.
I'd much prefer someone else but of all the guys listed I think he could be the best bet.
I just hope that he gets a good start and regardless, I will back him all the way because the club is bigger than any one person and matters above everything else.
392 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:59:47
393 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:01:11
394 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:01:29
Dull and dire... write off the new season if this nightmare happens.
395 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:02:30
396 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:02:58
397 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:03:04
398 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:03:11
399 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:03:33
Why would the fucking chairman want a fella who ridiculed the club and want to split the fan base? Honestly, you lot think other managers have had stick. If he gets off to a bad start, watch the fucking fireworks.
Moshiri, go pay Conte or Potter loads of money to come... but not fucking Rafa!
400 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:04:06
401 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:05:29
Thanks once again, Bill, as your parting legacy because this has your dabs all over it. I can see Brands's resignation very soon. We must have the most idiotic of billionaires on the planet. Forest Gump with money.
Fuck off, Everton, I'm done with you. Headlines tomorrow: Galtier named boss. Coyb – ain't no stopping us now! 😂
402 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:05:33
No, that's where Evertonians wish he was, and I don't mean the hotel.
403 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:06:07
Moshiri will be happy with dull and dire if it get's him to Bramley-Moore Dock in the Premier League, he wants another Moyes.
The thing is, this is the best league in the world and, if you're not going forwards, you're going backwards, it's a dangerous strategy to just try and survive.
404 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:06:12
Can somebody please, please, tell me this isn't happening!
405 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:06:35
406 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:06:53
407 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:07:41
As a fan since 1963 I want to see a young, vibrant and attacking team and I don't know where that will come from. But sometimes life can surprise us all!
408 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:08:44
C'mon in your best singing voice "O Rafa we love you, O yes we do!.. O Rafa"
409 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:10:01
Thanks Mike, the Martinez link is interesting. But not without a top fitness and defensive coach!
410 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:10:04
411 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:12:35
412 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:12:45
Derek 398, its not happening mate
413 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:12:46
414 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:12:49
How ironic is it, that if Ancelotti hadn't have lost that CL final in 2005 against Benitez's team, our history could have been very different?
If Roberto was to come and join Benitez, one doing crazy attacking scenarios and the other creating ultra-defensive plans we might find a way of winning more games?
I bet it's Nuno appointed tomorrow as the board gets tired of playing with Evertonians emotions.
415 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:13:40
I hope I'm wrong but I doubt it
416 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:13:44
Well never know but after the Italian job, the clubs lawyers should have been sacked and so the club could be playing safe, in my view.
Lifes battles dont always go and we dont always get what we want.
But if the case regardless of whom is appointed, its how Everton, as a club, react, improvise, and overcome.
The club has got to get some consistency as we are anguishing our lives away in respect of EFCs long term demise in football terms.
Nows the time to turn Everton around and get some belief and success on the field.
But who knows but I expect by this weekend Everton, should have announced the new manager.
NB The Euros have been decent and some good excuses to have match nights and beers, hopefully soon celebrate a new Everton manager or as respectfully drown the sorrows.
Its a funny old game.
417 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:14:08
418 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:14:20
Id honestly rather have Stevie G laa rather than this provocative guy
419 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:15:02
420 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:16:46
421 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:17:42
422 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:17:48
If he sees some big fan protest about his latest choice, he may think "I'm sick of this, I'm out!" And if he does that, we are extremely vulnerable to him fire-selling Everton and we would drop like a stone.
423 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:17:54
424 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:20:10
425 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:21:17
Belgium are probably due a change their 'golden generation' is aging,and while there ar new players coming up, probably time for a fresh start all around.
Martinez won't get a 'top' job, I wouldn't think so 'unfinished business' could be a good thing. He has always spoken highly of Everton when working as a pundit, and his ideals of football do align with those of our fanbase.
He'd have a good deal more contacts now too, so his workings in transfer market could be better and I can see him working well with brands in wanting to sign young players.
Benitez will want to sign Rondon and some other 30 year olds.
Anyone but Benitez. Christ, I'd have Joey Barton before Benitez.
426 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:21:28
Instead I read this and have to say I am totally and utterly disgusted.
NSNO - don't make me laugh. Sir John Moores will be turning over in his grave.
If this is the best Moshiri, Brands and the dickhead can produce, then I am out until they are gone.
427 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:21:55
428 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:22:16
429 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:22:52
430 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:23:08
Benitez signed Rondon cos Ashley wouldn't give him any money. When he had dosh to spend at Liverpool his recruitment was better than Moyes.
431 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:26:09
432 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:26:29
I know a lot of people say that this thing is gonna be a goldmine for him with Peel and everything. I'll be blowed if I can see how and why.
Certainly if he wants to exploit the Peel angle, at some point he needs to come up with nearly half a billion, and that's just to get us where we are now but with 10,000 extra seats.
433 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:27:07
434 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:27:38
435 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:28:36
What I most remember from Benitez is his teams declining, and when they declined, he would start making a huge fuss about not getting enough money to spend.
He did it at Liverpool. He did it at European Champions Inter. He did it at Newcastle.
He'd do it here. as soon as results go sour, he'd be saying it's cause he can't sign the players he wants.
And in general his transfer record is pretty poor, with a few decent players scattered about.
436 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:29:21
437 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:30:23
Sorry Soren but that is all ESPN is putting on the menu and one of their writers signed the byline. It looks like a thing.
438 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:32:45
Just watched a video clip of Andy Gray and Richard Keys both of whom think that it's a huge mistake for Everton to even contemplate appointing Benitez. Usually, I don't agree with them too often, but in this case, I think they're spot-on.
439 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:33:50
440 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:34:45
441 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:35:14
Just fuck off.
442 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:35:27
If Benitez were to be given the job it would be bordering on the final straw for me.
It would also beg the question what is the actual point of Marcel Brands? It would make a complete mockery of the Director of Football role for there to have been three managerial appointments made since he mooched through the door and all three end up being Moshiri's men….all seemingly handpicked using his failsafe method of a phalanx of monkeys flinging magnetic letters at a fucking fridge:
Moshiri: “This one, this one here, look… it almost spells ‘Rafa Benitez'”
Marcel: “Erm…*sniff, sniff*… that's a splat of actual monkey shit, sir. One of these dirty little bastards must have ran out of letters”
Moshiri: “Ah Benitez! A hard arsed veteran trained to win by attrition, who we found semi-retired but still in his prime, stick-fighting motherfuckers for money in murkiest Thailand.”
Marcel: “You're getting Rafa mixed up with Rambo 3 again, sir. Benitez is the veteran ex RS boss, bit of a prick who basically called us a bunch of poxy bellends, hasn't won anything for ages, got relegated at Newcastle and spent semi-retirement sat on a bench mopping sweat from his moobs in murkiest China, while silently repeating “Think of the money, think of the money, think of the money”, over and over again, before leaving by mutual consent.”
Moshiri: “Ah Benitez! Boggly eyed fella. Boring as fuck. Could get here on a bike. I like the cut of his jib, Smithers.”
443 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:35:51
444 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:37:33
445 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:38:56
446 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:39:22
I know a woman who worked at the Kirkby training ground and everyone there hated him. He didn't even go to his own Dad's funeral because Liverpool had a game... who the fuck does that?
Please, Everton, stay away from this arrogant prick.
447 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:43:00
I have to renew my ticket before 30 June so hopefully a decision will be made by then. If It is Benitez, then it's goodbye from me.
448 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:43:41
449 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:43:48
450 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:43:57
Whatever happened to the club engaging with the fans? another load of flannel.
451 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:44:32
452 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:46:19
I'd support Roberto coming back under any circumstances. But if it's a straight choice between Roberto Martinez and Rafa Fucking Benitez???
Slam DUNK for Bobby!
453 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:46:30
Hahaha love both ideas
454 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:48:22
455 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:49:29
456 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:49:30
457 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:49:47
458 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:51:37
459 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:52:46
460 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:52:59
Did you hear that? I just cocked my Glock.
461 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:54:33
462 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:54:50
463 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:55:00
464 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:55:02
If he and Brands do the necessary straight away he could be on to something but this perennial mantra has been unheeded every summer.
Oh! the other good thing is he effectively put Liverpool into liquidation.
465 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:56:20
466 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:59:01
467 Posted 16/06/2021 at 22:00:22
Hand on heart, I'd just be like, blah.
I'd go. How many times do I get to see the team play in person? I'd look forward to seeing the team play, and honestly I'd look forward to meeting some TWers.
But excited like I was last time they came to South Florida? Nope. Not under Benitez.
468 Posted 16/06/2021 at 22:01:01
And now this
469 Posted 16/06/2021 at 22:04:03
Mind you, there was no option for "suicidal" so maybe a few of us didn't bother ticking a box.
470 Posted 16/06/2021 at 22:04:27
It matters not that he was with RS and more the fact that having been unable to do anything with the Barcodes what has he been doing since?
Admittedly his problems at Newcastle could have been down to Mike Ashley more than anything else but I am not sure he is the man to elevate Everton. We shall see but these days I find it hard to have any optimism about Everton after what happened last season.
471 Posted 16/06/2021 at 22:06:01
472 Posted 16/06/2021 at 22:06:10
473 Posted 16/06/2021 at 22:07:33
He has the nous to get Everton into the top 4...somewhere we should have been this year.
474 Posted 16/06/2021 at 22:08:30
"He still lives on the Wirral you know" seems to be his strongest point these days.
Ex red as Everton manager. Kendall must be turning in his grave God Rest his Soul.
Anthony Dove 447 take a bow mate.
475 Posted 16/06/2021 at 22:11:23
Andrew - exactly what was heard (and thought) last time.
476 Posted 16/06/2021 at 22:11:29
Does our board really hate us this badly!.
477 Posted 16/06/2021 at 22:13:16
478 Posted 16/06/2021 at 22:14:24
479 Posted 16/06/2021 at 22:16:09
481 Posted 16/06/2021 at 22:19:46
Make no mistake this is a pension top up for an outdated manager living off past glories. In hindsight Ancelotti was the same.
I just hope this is lazy journalism.
483 Posted 16/06/2021 at 22:21:11
484 Posted 16/06/2021 at 22:21:49
The sexy candidates don't want to come. We're left with Howe, Martinez, Nuno, Dyche, Potter (would he come now?), Ferguson. Who else?
485 Posted 16/06/2021 at 22:22:15
i agree 100%...
486 Posted 16/06/2021 at 22:24:34
Well said that man. Fucking grow up will yis, the past is the past.
He has pedigree unlike Eddie fucking Howe, who would have us relegated in a heartbeat.
Potter is no better either, what do you want? No manager at the start of the campaign.
487 Posted 16/06/2021 at 22:25:41
488 Posted 16/06/2021 at 22:26:44
Havent we suffered enough ffs!
Marcel Brands what do you do exactly?
489 Posted 16/06/2021 at 22:27:45
I'll stay young, immature, and childish, thank you very much!
490 Posted 16/06/2021 at 22:28:47
Benitez appointment is the final nail in the coffin for me. This whole business stinks.
491 Posted 16/06/2021 at 22:28:51
I've chucked my toys out of the pram.
492 Posted 16/06/2021 at 22:30:33
493 Posted 16/06/2021 at 22:32:59
Not to mention, the owner who fired him. . . . . . . is still the owner.
Hard believing anyone would want this bull-shitter back.
494 Posted 16/06/2021 at 22:33:10
A great point!
Any man who's coached them, and then years later turns around to manage their rivals? It speaks to character.
You have to have none to do something like that.
I'd not manage the Red Sox and then manage the Yankees.
I'd not manage the Bruins and then manage the Canadiens.
I'd not manage the Celtics and then manage the Lakers.
I'd not manage the Packers and then manage the Bears.
Pond Scum do that sort of thing. No matter how much time has passed.
495 Posted 16/06/2021 at 22:34:37
It's nice to be on your team. An honor.
Your moral compass points north in my book.
496 Posted 16/06/2021 at 22:35:37
497 Posted 16/06/2021 at 22:35:40
Hes won things
Hes bought well in the past
He speaks English
Lives in the city
He wants the job when he neither needs the money or the aggro that will hit him from both clubs supporters
Previous animosity towards the club
Small club mentality of recruiting your neighbours rejects
Apparent boardroom unrest/splits appointment will/has caused
Supporter unrest and disillusionment at clubs decision makers
Won or achieved nothing in past 10 years
Outdated football philosophy?
498 Posted 16/06/2021 at 22:36:20
If he is appointed he will be sacked within 18 months.
An ambitious, progressive club would be looking at a manager that has a hunger to win and prove himself. Not one that is living off past glories looking for a pension top up.
Why don't we approach, cappelo, swen, van gal, scolari or klinsman after all their success was also 20 years ago.
499 Posted 16/06/2021 at 22:36:54
We all have our opinions, but If Rafa arrives I'll get behind him like all Everton managers (yes inc Big Sam). Personally the only Everton manager i've been glad to see the back of was Walker and Moyes.
500 Posted 16/06/2021 at 22:39:29
501 Posted 16/06/2021 at 22:40:38
Being a football manager is a job, just like any other job.
Its what they do for a living and whatever team they manage they support and protect them.
Put your toys back in the pram... there's a good boy.
502 Posted 16/06/2021 at 22:40:38
I'm not sure they're in disguise :)
503 Posted 16/06/2021 at 22:44:43
Not there? Well why is he on ours, and why has he been unemployed for 6 months?
504 Posted 16/06/2021 at 22:46:47
505 Posted 16/06/2021 at 22:46:47
506 Posted 16/06/2021 at 22:46:50
He still loves the area and never moved away so at least has roots, which is not what you can say about most of the others. Santo apparently wants to bring in a ridiculously large back room staff and wants a huge salary, which is also why Spurs said no sharpish.
Benitez has got pedigree and won trophies in England before so why not? Cant be worse than any other person whos managed Everton in the last decade. We havent even reached a cup final since 2009 never mind doing anything in the league or winning anything.
I would have liked Benitez years ago being honest and if hes comes, so be it, Ill for one will be happy. Give the guy a chance and lets see what he can do (if he comes) before we joins him out.
As usual our squad needs an overhaul (say the same thing every season). So will be interesting to see which players we can get whilst trying to keep our best.
Need to fill about 5 positions in the first XI!
507 Posted 16/06/2021 at 22:48:25
There will be those that will not not give him a chance even if he wins every game and gives us a league title. To all those I would say just get behind the team. He's not coming because he wants an argument. He's coming because he wants to be a winner. He clearly believes in himself.
He'll get my support because we are in the gutter right now as a club and we need to get out of it. Ancelotti has left us high and dry. Take your spite out on him if need be but whoever takes over, Benitez included, needs to to be given our backing, the backing of the fans. Lets not let the club down. Lets not be petulant, let's try and have a good season. It's time to come out of the doldrums. Whoever takes on the job will get my full support. The time for sulking is well and truly over. We have had years of crap to moan about. I stood in the Gwladys Street aged 8 back in 1970. It's time we all get behind the club again and drag ourselves out of this mire
508 Posted 16/06/2021 at 22:48:48
If we were taking a risk, I would have gone with Nuno and more reluctantly Potter.
Wishing for managers of National teams is delusional, why would you leave the manager of Belgium, Italy or Spain to take on the poison chalice of the Everton job when the likes of Carlo couldn't hack it and looked to get out the first change he got.
Wishing for marquis managers is just that wishful thinking see comment re Carlo above. Who would take the risk.
Looks like we have a choice of Benitez and Nuno and to me the role of Ferguson is the key.
At one stage last year when we had Sam, I would have considered Benitez but now for some reason I am luke warm.
Hopefully, he will grow on me when we stop leaking goals, start winning a few matches by the odd goal and are nicely secure in 5-8place in league. Then in the Januarly windown he unearth a bargain of a midfield dynamo who will bring us onwards and upwards to the next level.
509 Posted 16/06/2021 at 22:49:39
510 Posted 16/06/2021 at 22:50:42
This has the potential for a really negative outcome
511 Posted 16/06/2021 at 22:51:17
The game has moved on since Benitez glory days. Much in the same way for Mourinho, Ancelotti, van gal etc.
Money talks with City and Chelsea paving the way. This appointment signals that Moshiri wants an experienced prem manager that can keep us in the division not challenge.
Can anyone see Moshiri appointing Benitez and then bankrolling him to break our 4 year old transfer record multiple times just to try and climb a few places? I can see another loan in January for another no mark whilst we hover around mid table.
512 Posted 16/06/2021 at 22:51:29
Managers, CEOs, CFOs, anyone in a leadership position, can demonstrate loyalty to employers and former employers throughout their time on earth.
It's called fealty. And it's a marvelous human characteristic in the main.
People who say things like, "it's just a job", justifying turncoats and courses of action that benefit themselves, are selfish dicks with no regard to others feelings. Not every time, but in this case, that's how I see it.
Aw fuck. I need to clean my room again.
And lastly, it's a brave thing to tell people pissed off that some jack wagon who's on the verge of becoming manager of Everton, and who verbally shit on the Club and demeaned them, to grow up. It's really brave. Are you the arbiter of maturity?
I'd suggest you look at this slightly differently, and mature your own thought process. I'd wager most adults don't welcome into their ranks others who have demeaned family members.
Rafa demeaned the Everton Family in my opinion. I don't want him any where near this Club. That's not immature. Paternal, protective, pack-oriented thinking possibly. But immature, nah.
Now Rafa - FUCK OFF.
^^ That was immature, and it was cathartic as fuck. I loved it.
513 Posted 16/06/2021 at 22:53:00
I do not think he is a good choice but not because of what he said about the club, as if I was lucky enough to have the qualifications to have managed Liverpool just calling Everton a small club would have been a mild quote from me just to piss the supporters off.
I don't believe he is a good choice as he doesn't seem to be up to date on the modern game. But ignoring the quote he does seem more qualified than other names mentioned.
514 Posted 16/06/2021 at 22:58:27
Nothing wrong with the small team comment, it was true with BK the owner.
Rafa would not be my choice but nobody has called me yet, must be the 8 hour time difference ha ha.
515 Posted 16/06/2021 at 22:59:43
Max 2 years, maybe a year option after.
If the rumour of Benitez is true and hes desperate for the job then offer shit money and lets see how much he wants it
Giving up with this managerial nonsense
516 Posted 16/06/2021 at 22:59:52
Back in the sixties there were many fans who disliked Harry Catterick. Very few if any warmed to him. It didnt matter. All that mattered was the outcome on the pitch.
As a club we need to cast aside the notion of the manager as a superhero, a messiah-like figure who will lead us into the promised land. Getting the right person to do the job is more important than getting someone popular who will receive a warm reception from fans.
If Benitez is appointed the only thing which matters is what happens on the pitch.
517 Posted 16/06/2021 at 23:00:46
The only reason I can think he is being recruited is reverse psychology. Employ someone that is hated by Finch Farm, the Fans and it might work out different than expected.
What is the main reason that he is interested in the job ? Rafa finds travelling stressful. More stressful than the Everton faithful baying for his blood.
Pretty unbelievable twist if true.
518 Posted 16/06/2021 at 23:03:40
He will get the players fit and organised and he does not mess about, surely this will be a positive considering the dross we have suffered for most of last season.
As for being unaware of the modern game etc, tactics and formations don't change they have been around for ages but knowing how to manage them and how to fit your players into them is the sign of a good manager. I believe Benitez is a good manager and along with Brands and some good acquisitions we will do well.
519 Posted 16/06/2021 at 23:10:42
Most hilarious, the calls for Roberto to come back. Hahahaha! Oh my God.
520 Posted 16/06/2021 at 23:13:39
My concern would be that his methods like Mourinho seem outdated and the game at the top has moved on from that negative style of football.
521 Posted 16/06/2021 at 23:13:42
I think you've spotted the real truth of the matter, the money tree has been felled, therefore the list of eligible candidates has shrunk, it may even have been a major reason as to why Ancelotti jumped ship.
I think they wanted Moyes as their top target but he decided he'd continue with what he's started to build at West Ham, I suspect that none of the up-and-coming managers such as Howe and Potter were considered, because they would prove to be too risky.
Nuno, is available and could be the right type of manager for Everton, but if his backroom staff overburdened the club financially, that would rule him out. Benitez, out of work and available, living locally, I would think he must have a good idea of the Everton player's strengths and weaknesses, therefore he becomes a viable proposition for the board.
Money talks and when a club has wasted as much as Everton has in the last few years, it's no surprise when the cheapest option is taken at the most inopportune time.
Hard for any Evertonians to swallow but the reality of wasting millions of pounds year on year could not continue forever and as a result, we've ended up with a 'choice' of manager that only the boardroom will be content with.
522 Posted 16/06/2021 at 23:14:20
523 Posted 16/06/2021 at 23:15:23
524 Posted 16/06/2021 at 23:15:46
On the subject of the new manager, either Benitez or Martinez would do for me...
525 Posted 16/06/2021 at 23:17:04
526 Posted 16/06/2021 at 23:20:38
527 Posted 16/06/2021 at 23:23:23
- Moyes: indicating that Moshiri was going to stop the spending.
- Genesio (the Galtier of 18 months or so ago): indicating that we would aim to develop players and build a team.
- Ancelotti: indicating that Moshiri would be spending big to match the ambition of getting in a big name manager.
As it happens, we did improve the failed squad that got Silva sacked but it was pretty modest spending and so we inevitably got nowhere near the top 4.
Appointing Benitez would be a cringeworthy attempt to maintain the fiction that we're a big club - when no other Premier League club (let alone big club) would be remotely interested in him. It would also reinforce the idea that we really don't have any strategy other than to stay relevant while the stadium is being built.
What we need to do is stop pretending and actually build the club back up. That means going down the patient and maybe boring route of Santo or (beggars can't be choosers) Dyche as our new Moyes - or getting the likes of Potter, Terzic or (stranger things have happened) Cocu or Van Bronkhorst as the guy who coaches players brought in by Brands.
I think our only realistic chance of success is patient building (given our modest budget) so I hope we don't hire someone just because they are unemployed and live locally. Otherwise might as well appoint Joey Boswell.
528 Posted 16/06/2021 at 23:29:42
529 Posted 16/06/2021 at 23:34:22
530 Posted 16/06/2021 at 23:41:07
531 Posted 16/06/2021 at 23:42:32
Here's what he said, 14 years ago, in a moment of frustrated pettiness after an emotional game:
"I was really disappointed because one team wanted to win the game and one team didn't want to lose it." "When a team comes to Anfield and only want a point what else can you call them but a small club?"
"Everton put eight or nine men behind the ball and defended deep but that's what small clubs do."
"When a team comes to Anfield and only want a point what else can you call them but a small club?"
Really? That's what we're supposed to be still foaming at the mouth about after all these years? That's what constitutes "shitting on the club"? Geez, I've read more insulting comments between TW posters just today. And he later admitted it was a mistake.
I don't want this guy either, because I think he's a crap manager now, but this degree of outrage over a mild insult from back when Bob Barker was still on TV is a bit silly, isn't it?
532 Posted 16/06/2021 at 23:44:35
Im less bothered by his RS links and comments - I just think its a missed opportunity and a retrograde step. Barry #521 has it spot on.
533 Posted 16/06/2021 at 23:46:04
Sheffield United could be forced to accept Arsenal's proposed deal for Norwegian midfielder Sander Berge. The 23-year-old has said he hopes to play Champions League football next season. (Sheffield Star)
. the media are so clued up, so can see why we're believing everything they spout.
534 Posted 16/06/2021 at 23:52:26
536 Posted 16/06/2021 at 23:58:43
537 Posted 16/06/2021 at 23:59:19
Yes, that's what I'm still foaming at the mouth about.
When he says, "...what else can you call them but a small club?"
That's an insult. A little jibe, a nasty one.
When he says, "When a team comes to Anfield and only want a point what else can you call them but a small club?"
Again, that's an insult. He didn't need to say those things. He could have, quite classy, pointed out what his team did correctly, and lauded the defensive efforts of his opposition. He didn't. He insulted. He's lacking class, never mind the fact no one should like or forget those words.
And the insult was an arrogant, condescending thing. It was intentional, as again, he certainly didn't have to say it.
He insulted the Club, you, me, every supporter, and played cocky little fat fuck by being condescending.
I personally will never forgot it. And therefore, I don't want him anywhere near this Club.
What ever happened to pride? Why are we considering a man for our managerial position who insulted us?
And if that isn't enough, ask yourself, why does this dick want to manage us? Manage a "small club" in his words, now?
We shouldn't even give the guy the time of day.
It's like when Moyes left and he said (paraphrase) about Bobby, again condescendingly as fuck, "oh, he'll figure out how that club is run." As soon as he said it I soured on him - forever.
I am foaming at the mouth about it, still. The fact we've even entertained hiring this guy is so frustrating to me I can't describe it in words.
In an honest moment as I'm trying to consider the direction of my anger due to your post, I think it may (MAY) be directed at our Board for considering hiring a man who's so arrogantly, condescendingly, and publicly insulted us with THAT comment.
If I ran an organization and you called me "small" with a clear negative connotation, while you were employed by my rival in the marketplace, I'd not ever hire you. I don't care how long a time had passed.
That's me. TW is full of people with different opinions. That's mine.
I call it pride. Some people say get over it. I can't.
538 Posted 16/06/2021 at 00:01:21
Yes. I think my vitriol is at a very high peak.
I've gone from guy I immediately said I wanted as manager out of the frame, to a man I've detested for a very, very long time.
I appreciate you noticing that dynamic.
539 Posted 16/06/2021 at 00:03:09
Even if he does do exceptional for us, he will move to Madrid citing he was never really accepted here anyway and I will still be proved right.
540 Posted 16/06/2021 at 00:03:31
There is absolutely no chance of that happening with the footballers we have so the crowd would immediately turn on him and he would be gone in months, Mosh is out of pocket again and we start the search for a new manager.
Im done if he comes to us and not because of his past connections but more to do with how it makes us look and the sheer ineptitude it would show our leaders have. Big Sam was bad enough 😡
541 Posted 17/06/2021 at 00:05:16
If it came down to just two choices, only two choices, would you prefer?
542 Posted 17/06/2021 at 00:09:28
This actually made the satelite radio over here. Quite briefly, but it was mentioned.
Brian Dunseth on Counter Attack said:
Imagine being Everton. You go from hiring Nuno to Rafa Benitez. Wonder how that's gonna work out?
We're a laughing stock in America now! It can't get much worse!
543 Posted 16/06/2021 at 00:10:26
The ex shite manager issue isn't that big a deal to me.
Sheedy, Ablett, Dave Watson, Peter Reid all lpool fans that ran through brick walls for the blues.
Let's face it if klopp wanted to sign for us would there be the same uproar?
The appointment would be underwhelming to say the least.
544 Posted 17/06/2021 at 00:11:38
545 Posted 17/06/2021 at 00:11:50
546 Posted 16/06/2021 at 00:12:18
Plus he's already partaken of the Chinese big money pre-retirement kool-aid dollars.
Is this what we're reduced to? Giving a fuckin rs twat a nice part time job / hobby he can do from Caldy.
Its bad enough if this is Moshiri's Idea...I mean we know he hasn't much of a clue, but it is his train set after all (which it isn't really, its ours...only it isn't. But that would be, to quote Father Ted - an ecumenical matter)
I can easily believe half a dozen 'bad' things about BPB on any given day...but even he is not that daft...unless he IS real 'Agent Kenwright'.
Only at Everton.
547 Posted 17/06/2021 at 00:12:46
548 Posted 17/06/2021 at 00:14:31
549 Posted 16/06/2021 at 00:15:52
Bibi Netanyahu bragged about manipulating America... called us “...a thing you can move very easily, move it in the right direction.” We still engaged with him and supported Israel.
Steve Jobs insulted Apple after he left. They still hired him back. Worked out pretty well.
It's half a generation later. Bush ain't president anymore. Desperate Housewives is off the air. Fergie isn't hot anymore. Anna Nicole Smith is still dead. Time to stop chewing on it already.
And oh by the way, Benitez ain't a good manager anymore. THAT's why we shouldn't hire the guy. Not some sniveling comment 14 years old.
550 Posted 17/06/2021 at 00:16:09
551 Posted 17/06/2021 at 00:19:03
If Rafa does get the job I'll be very intrigued. He certainly has the cojones and will give it his all. I bet a few TW posters like Ian Edwards will start to miss the Carlo days if Rafa serves up the football like he did at Newcastle.
Lets hope he'll be a lil more progressive with better players and a bigger budget
552 Posted 17/06/2021 at 00:24:01
No. Its Toffee Web.
Are you sure. There appears to be plenty of arguing going on.
No. Its Toffee Web.
Why all the arguing then ?
Because Everton Football Club are run by idiots that's why.
What idiots ?
Sorry but it will take too long to explain and I have a plane to Switzerland to catch.
553 Posted 17/06/2021 at 00:24:14
Such a horrible arrogant man to boot. The fan base will Never ever warm to him. Never.
If this happens its obvious Marcel Brands has about as much influence as an empty crisp packet in Rhinos bin at the club.
We are now a laughing stock
554 Posted 17/06/2021 at 00:30:47
555 Posted 17/06/2021 at 00:33:51
What's interesting is that Duncan is no longer just some glorified mascot. He has a successful caretaker stint on his resume. Many people bought into the idea of him being positioned as Ancelotti's eventual successor. If reports are to be believed, he threw his hat in the ring for the full-time gig.
In other words, why *would* Nuno want a guy around who's basically a direct rival for his job? He'd have to know that it would be that much easier for the board to sack him if they knew Duncan was waiting in the wings to take over.
Rafa, on other hand, is unlikely to care about all that. He's had more jobs than he can count. He just wants to be employed.
556 Posted 17/06/2021 at 00:43:53
557 Posted 17/06/2021 at 00:44:54
I'll back any Everton manager because it's what we do as Blues we stick together and go to war together no matter what, but I just can't get excited about Benitez. I can make myself get excited about Nuno because he's young and hungry with more modern ideas on football.
Benitez is yesterday's man, he really hasn't been an elite manager for years and the Premier League is a different beast from when he was successful with Liverpool. I highly doubt he has the hunger and drive still left in him for the huge job that is Everton.
It's just a convenience for him working close to home and his family while knowing Everton pay well. Truly disappointed and deflated for next season, to me it smacks of Moshiri being out of touch with supporters while just being happy to keep us plodding along until he has built the ground being able to then turn a profit on selling the club.
558 Posted 17/06/2021 at 00:58:11
559 Posted 17/06/2021 at 01:02:16
560 Posted 17/06/2021 at 01:51:31
But, if we win the first 38 games of the new season…???
561 Posted 17/06/2021 at 01:55:19
If we win the first 38 games, we will give him a vote of confidence then review things after the next three. As John Moores said “Everton expect the best”.
562 Posted 17/06/2021 at 02:01:33
The former never in my lifetime, but the latter only if our lives depend on it.
563 Posted 17/06/2021 at 02:27:45
564 Posted 17/06/2021 at 02:33:02
565 Posted 17/06/2021 at 02:38:00
566 Posted 17/06/2021 at 02:44:10
I know for a fact Kenwright talks shit to the media on Moshiri — don't ask me how I know but I know — while pretending to toe the party line. He was undermining Walsh and later Allardyce from day one to the press while acting Luvvie dovie in public.
This creates a problem for me. I hate Rafa but I think I dislike Kenwright more. So this “leak” to the Mail may cause me to become a turncoat and ditch Jamie and Co in order to fight the greater enemy — Bill Kenwright.
567 Posted 17/06/2021 at 03:01:51
John #560, only if that includes a good FA Cup run.
Steve #556, bit too far over the top there, mate... but yes, it's a pretty ugly choice.
568 Posted 17/06/2021 at 03:21:29
Shouldn't we just be going after managers/coaches whatever they are called these days who have worked with Directors of Football before? Thus, shouldn't Brands be doing the hiring? For all that we know, he might be!
Anyways, I have had no strong feelings for any of the candidates floated in the media for a number of reasons but this link - however tenuous - I have!
NO NO NO and thrice NO!
Why (beyond the obvious - which I will get to).
When he was at the unmentionables - I remember seeing his transfer record - maybe clouded by time, but I recall he bought a lot of players - paid a lot for them - and had a massive turnover. The opposite of what Everton require.
Plus, when was he last successful? His last job was in Dalian China - I have been there, cannot remember it, but you do not go to these Chinese cities other than for money. It wasn't for the challenge. That brings me onto Newcastle. Those who follow more closely than moi might be able to tell me what he did with them that Bruce hasn't. Genuine question.
Now, the red connection. The small club jibe goes beyond just the words. No need, sour grapes, lack of class and looking for excuses as to why his team could not win a game - do we need that?
Lets say he is successful - well, Everton needed a guy whose association was mainly with the unmentionables to get to success - and at some point he'll leave. If then Everton then go through a period of perceived failure - How does that reflect on the club?
When things go tits up - as they will for a period, this will be a toxic atmosphere like never experienced.
This is why my verdict is
NO NO NO and NO!
I could be wrong - very wrong as I have been in the past with management recruitment and opinions - but for me - a guy who has stopped watching all football besides Everton (for many reasons which I can wax lyrical about) and is just hanging onto Everton by a thread due to many reasons too, this appointment would be the end of my support for Everton after over 40 years. I remember how Evertonians were appalled at the possibility of Toshack taking over (I wasn't at the time) - How things have changed!
However - could all be - and I think/hope it is - media speculation!
569 Posted 17/06/2021 at 03:34:25
570 Posted 17/06/2021 at 04:21:30
572 Posted 17/06/2021 at 04:45:38
But understandably so. I think most people's issues are more because Rafa's performances since being Liverpool's manager, has been at best average, while serving up dross football.
That's my main issue, it's disappointing if it happens. I guess I'll just manage my expectations, and take a more detached approach in supporting the club.
When fans become more indifferent and more spectator-like instead, that's probably the saddest state of affairs.
Oh well, the wheels on the bus go round and round...
573 Posted 17/06/2021 at 05:07:22
Don't get me wrong, I'm not exactly salivating at the prospect of him being appointed, but it's not because of some petty vendetta; it's just I would prefer a "next generation" appointment, someone up to speed with modern thought on the game.
574 Posted 17/06/2021 at 05:28:29
Dale @ 558 Im here for the long haul mate, reading ToffeeWeb with my morning coffee is part of daily routine 👍🏻
575 Posted 17/06/2021 at 05:47:47
At Chelsea 40,000 home fans booed him but he still got them a Top 4 and a trophy… Ill certainly take that and it shows the character of the man. Let's look forwards not backwards.
576 Posted 17/06/2021 at 05:59:02
My guess is it would be someone quite unexpected. And Moshiri can see that a big name can help the image of the club. He will pay big money. It should be a big name with a record of trophies.
577 Posted 17/06/2021 at 06:02:49
Football is like chess. Anybody can play it, but to excel takes intelligence and flair. With the two mentioned above, I think we'll be playing checkers.
Although, if Brands doesn't have a good summer, it won't matter who manages the team.
578 Posted 17/06/2021 at 06:11:14
579 Posted 17/06/2021 at 06:24:31
The ex-Liverpool connection doesn't concern me as much. As many have pointed out, we've done it with players, one of them being my favourite of all time. The small club jibe? I'm with Jay (BRZ), heat of the moment, straight after a derby, he was Liverpool manager and frustrated. And, likely referring to our mentality and approach to the game, as well as talking in a secondary language. I think some of the heated comments we see across the board is often an issue with interviewing managers live straight after a match when the adrenaline & emotion is still running high. No cool off period, but its good for the cameras.
BUT. No. That ship sailed. We've tried the past glory manager and it didn't work. Also, too divisive. Well is it? Most, just about all of us don't want it, so that's probably a contradiction. But in terms of the fan base and connection with the manager, we'd be in Sam Allardyce territory here. I don't think it would bother him and he would handle it. Look how he did at Chelsea and just focussed on the team and the football. He shut it out. It's us I worry about.
We're waiting until after the Euros to pick up one of the newly available international coaches or are going to approach Edin Terzic. If I keep saying and thinking it
I'm off to walk and talk to the dogs.
580 Posted 17/06/2021 at 06:36:16
The Myers article you linked does NOT say the FSW is not in the running.
It says he has not been offered the job... but talks have taken place, so he IS in the running.
Also, Moshiri is very definitely on the Board, as majority shareholder.
Now get some rest, my friend.
581 Posted 17/06/2021 at 06:48:13
582 Posted 17/06/2021 at 07:11:36
Somebody at the club fishing?
585 Posted 17/06/2021 at 07:22:56
King also said the appointment is being completely driven by Moshiri and only him; personally, I refuse to believe he would not be consulting his Director of Football after putting one in place.
586 Posted 17/06/2021 at 07:27:00
To get the ground built he has to keep us in the Premier League and that means a manager with a safe pair of hands. He just isnt going to take a risk this time round - he has got to get it right. That is why, unpalatable as it is to the majority of us, Benitez is in the frame.
But the well proportioned lady hasnt sung just yet. Until she does I wont give up hope of a pleasant surprise.
587 Posted 17/06/2021 at 07:31:16
You say Rafa or Martinez—- like trying to choose between Hitler and Stalin…..,
Or choosing which of your testicles to hit with a mallet.
588 Posted 17/06/2021 at 07:35:49
I wouldn't want Everton to win anything under him, I know nothing about him personally but and I will make it my business to hound him out of the job as quickly as possible.
As for the fans who are supporting his appointment, I can only assume you haven't grown up in the city or lived in the city. I am not insulting those fans, I would however just like to say that you don't get it. If you truly support him as our manager, you don't truly get the club and what Everton means. This is not a player, this is a manager who belongs in heart to that lot and who will be the face of the football club. I certainly wouldn't sell the clubs soul for Rafa Benitez he's a total football dinosaur.
The club is now a total laughing stock with it's core fan base. I have to think very hard now about the renewal of my season ticket.
589 Posted 17/06/2021 at 07:39:21
Stuart, Dominic King is full of poo. Don't believe a word he says. If Benitez isn't appointed today then I think that means Mr Blobby has convinced Farhad Moshiri to wait for Martinez.
590 Posted 17/06/2021 at 07:40:03
Seems to me that the media are shooting in the dark almost as much as we are. Probably they are being used by the club.
For example, if NES is their favourite, as seems quite possible, but the reaction to his possible appointment seemed negative then what better way to shore it up than throwing in Benitez as an alternative.
I'm not a big NES fan but, next to Rafa, I'd be delighted to secure the Portuguese ex-goalkeeper!
Would not be surprised at all to see someone come in from left-field and get the job in the next few weeks. Mancini might be flavour of the month if Italy keep playing this well. Or someone like Andre Villas-Boas who has always intrigued me and actually had a better win % at Tottenham than the lauded Pochettino. Maybe Hassenhuttl who many blues liked the look of at times last season or Amorim the bright young thing who led Sporting to their first league title in 19 years?
I wonder if this saga is maybe due to take another twist or turn yet? With Brands in charge of player recruitment (and hopefully responsible for outlining the playing style and philosophy at the club) I guess there is no rush to find a new manager for a few more weeks yet.
591 Posted 17/06/2021 at 07:46:29
592 Posted 17/06/2021 at 07:52:37
593 Posted 17/06/2021 at 07:53:15
I still think theres something dodgy with these “rumours” about Rafa.
594 Posted 17/06/2021 at 07:56:24
595 Posted 17/06/2021 at 07:57:41
596 Posted 17/06/2021 at 08:02:47
597 Posted 17/06/2021 at 08:08:35
The manager doesn't have to do the running on the pitch, an "older" coach can even delegate all of the training to his team. It's a big job.
As long as he still has ambition and is prepared to work hard, age is meaningless. However, with age comes experience and this can help him avoid the pitfalls a less experienced manager will make.
Football hasn't changed much and, as I recall, the rules are much the same and Benitez surely is as aware of players and systems as any of us.
Granted it would be a rather uninspiring choice but we have been down the various roads, Martinez, Koeman, Silva, all fairly young and Big Sam. I agree with the opinion that a safe pair of hands is paramount to Moshiri.
The stadium ensures a good resale value and Premier League status is essential – so no young bucks at the helm, no untried Premier League debutants.
Perhaps the fact that Rafa does live in Caldy will help. He and his family are settled, he won't be house-hunting (unless he wants to live in Speke). So just maybe it will all work out well?
598 Posted 17/06/2021 at 08:09:39
599 Posted 17/06/2021 at 08:14:55
Absolutely spot-on there with everything you said, my thoughts in an earlier post, but yours far better put and more expansive.
600 Posted 17/06/2021 at 08:24:09
Now there's a thought, Rafa living in Speke!!
601 Posted 17/06/2021 at 08:27:08
That game was divisive and caused blues to fight with blues.
This appointment will be just as divisive. This is not what the club needs at all at the moment.
602 Posted 17/06/2021 at 08:28:50
We havent won anything for 26 years and we have staff members telling us that others are Evertonians? Fuck that Id sooner have winners myself.
One last thing, but only my opinion, but if any Liverpudlian is laughing at Everton over this appointment, (if it actually happens) try and see through them please.
603 Posted 17/06/2021 at 08:31:20
Evertons identity of plucky little underdogs has been an annoyance for a long time, but that will pale against being considered an absolute laughing stock if this goes through. Gold for Carragher and all the other RS pundits: a new low for Everton.
I could not abide the man but I think I would rather Allardyce.
Hopefully this is just the ultimate Bond villain, BPB, manipulating the media to ensure the underwhelming news re Nuno being appointed is met with (tepid) warmth.
604 Posted 17/06/2021 at 08:33:49
No others candidate's are in the picture unless one or both walk away because they don't won't to be messed about for too long as this would damage thier reputations.
If Moshiri wants Nuno, there can only be one winner Nuno. The way the whole thing has been conducted is typically a total embarrassment, but this is the modern Everton way, indecisive, weak dithering, leaderless.
605 Posted 17/06/2021 at 08:40:56
606 Posted 17/06/2021 at 08:41:28
Have Arsenal taken off since stadium? Spurs setting the world ablaze?
Cant understand this thought process at all. Yes, Goodison is getting overshadowed by the neighbours, but If we dont keep having sporting ambitions higher than this then it is simply self defeating. The new stadium on the docks will end up sponsored by poundshop, be a millstone around our necks for 10-20 years, be packed with a team of journeymen players managed by an aging “safe” manager who our fans will justify as “best bet at keeping us safe whilst we pay the mortgage”………never ending circle of failure.
City / Chelsea models hard to copy with FFP but success on the pitch is catalyst for success off the pitch. Full stop. Got to gamble.
607 Posted 17/06/2021 at 08:47:57
608 Posted 17/06/2021 at 08:52:01
I'm feeling just now that this as low as a club that we have been in my time. Small? - We're certainly acting it.
609 Posted 17/06/2021 at 08:52:58
I keep hearing that he gets the club but inside 3 years he lost the fans and the dressing room. Doesn't sound like a man that gets the club to me.
610 Posted 17/06/2021 at 09:01:28
611 Posted 17/06/2021 at 09:18:53
612 Posted 17/06/2021 at 09:23:01
613 Posted 17/06/2021 at 09:25:36
He seems a nice man and we were good going forward.. but we were just awful at the back. He would have taken us down.
For people saying, look what he's doing with Belgium.. that's not his doing. He's blessed with a golden generation of talent.. if anything they should have won the world Cup with that squad.. and definitely the euros. I don't think they'll win the euros..solely because of Martinez.
If its a straight choice between Rafa and Martinez..Brands needs to be sacked.
614 Posted 17/06/2021 at 09:26:18
615 Posted 17/06/2021 at 09:26:45
Last week Nuno was 1/25 at one point.
616 Posted 17/06/2021 at 09:27:28
Fingers crossed and hope for the best. A lot like the strategy of Evertons highly paid executives.
I tell you though that Evertonians are bloody special, because any other fans would have shat the bed and given up 20 years ago.
617 Posted 17/06/2021 at 09:27:28
Old Spanish Waiter is my choice too.
Come On You Blues
618 Posted 17/06/2021 at 09:33:03
I think either one would do a similar job of keeping us in the top 10. I think they both set their teams up as a defensive counter attacking unit.
Not terrible Sam football, but not Martinez entertaining attacking football.
We need to keep our best players whilst bringing in another 3 or 4 top class players. Which ever manager can help entice top players whist getting the best out of the current squad should get the gig.
We need other options!
619 Posted 17/06/2021 at 09:37:19
620 Posted 17/06/2021 at 09:44:11
621 Posted 17/06/2021 at 09:45:46
622 Posted 17/06/2021 at 09:51:46
623 Posted 17/06/2021 at 09:52:32
624 Posted 17/06/2021 at 09:54:09
626 Posted 17/06/2021 at 09:55:08
Towards the end we were desperate for him to go, because he seemed deluded, talking about phenomenal performances after we'd caved in yet again. He's a nice man, and he lives and breathes football, but he was a failure at Everton.
627 Posted 17/06/2021 at 10:01:51
628 Posted 17/06/2021 at 10:07:21
Just how has it come to this, a former sacked manager, a former sacked manager of our neighbours and a guy who wants to bring all of his back-up team with him. If Nuno was the man then he should have been appointed by now, his back-up team accepted in full and existing members of Carlo's first-team management moved on. That's how it works.
Some of the media outlets are saying that Brands and Bill are in the Roberto camp and Moshiri wants Rafa, so maybe they will compromise and go with Nuno? I am certainly of the view that Brands is not in the Rafa camp, indeed, if Rafa comes through the door then what is the point of having Brands around the place as Rafa like Carlo will want his own players whereas Nuno and Martinez may be more open to working with Brands recruits.
Maybe at the end of the day the powers that be will hold a draw to decide the issue.
629 Posted 17/06/2021 at 10:11:38
Brands out, someone like a Nuno or Howe in. No former managers. We'll be linked with Billy Bingham next.
630 Posted 17/06/2021 at 10:11:57
It was in large part the reactions of the Goodison crowd that played a part in the removal of Martinez, the board could have stuck with him if they had wanted to, but they (Moshiri) decided to terminate his contract and the rest is history.
I watched the documentary about Martinez last evening, he's a very clever guy and most personable, but I don't think he's suited to club management. He would make a good technical director or something akin to that but day-to-day management at a club of Everton's size? I don't think so.
631 Posted 17/06/2021 at 10:14:29
As others have said, he did not call us a small club, he intimated that we played like one... and we did.
We had no ambition in that game, the ginger surrender monkey set us up to defend what we had, which was a nil-nil scoreline.
They battered us, we defended for our lives and Moyes with his usual panache hailed it as a victory.
We had worse insults that season... the Villa manager Gregory actually said after they beat us... "I could of put our reserves out today and beat that lot."
That's how low we had sunk.
632 Posted 17/06/2021 at 10:17:16
We might as well go back to Sam Allardyce, Tony Pulis, Mark Hughes or Alan Pardew as they have all had their day!
634 Posted 17/06/2021 at 10:17:55
635 Posted 17/06/2021 at 10:19:52
We have to accept a few things, like it or not.
We will not attract the CL managers like Simeone,Pochettino or Conte.
There is a shortage of quality managers who are on an upward curve.
All of the names we have been debating for the last three weeks have drawbacks.
Whoever gets the job has to be lucky in getting the right players in, getting the right players out, getting the right mix of personalities in the squad and getting off to a good start- our opening fixtures give him a decent chance of that.
The new guy needs the fans on side. No true supporter should want his team to lose just because the manager for whatever reason is not his choice.
Benitez no doubt regrets what he said about us and more than anyone on the list of possibles he will be determined to prove himself to us and to the shower across the park. He wont put up with the crap performances and he should have better players at his disposal than he had at Newcastle.
Dont get me wrong,I would much prefer Duncan Ferguson if he had experience of management or with a younger Joe Royle to work alongside him but that aint going to happen. Whoever gets it we need to support him until such time as he shows that the job is beyond him and if that is after we move to BMD then I will be delighted.
636 Posted 17/06/2021 at 10:21:00
Now you would think that the accountant would have realised he was way out of his depth in trying to select a manager to take the club forward. But no undaunted by his previous failures he ploughed on and decided Marco Silva was the man and even paid Watford a tidy sum to secure his services. Again you ask does the accountant not take into account that Silva had not long got his side relegated and again he was hardly making Watford anything special. So Marco was appointed and again like his previous managers, was allowed to spend huge amounts on journeymen players, and again after 60 games in charge the accountant could see the club was still not moving forward and sacked him.
So at long last he moved for a manager who had the best CV in football Carlo Ancelotti. Ancelotti took over from Duncan Ferguson who had 4 games in charge but was happy to again assume his role as assistant manager for the 3rd time. After 67 games in charge Ancelotti decided to jump ship and move to Real Madrid, which took everybody by surprise, including his own son who had just bought a new house in Woolton 2 weeks prior. So despite Carlo only weeks earlier stating he wanted to stay longer than the contract he was currently on, and he was very happy living here, he was gone. So the accountant has started looking for yet another manager and if rumours are correct he is looking to appoint a manager who is even more unpopular than Allardyce and that takes some doing.
Benitez has done nothing for a long time and even the much maligned Steve Bruce has a better record at Newcastle than Benitez and lets not forget just like Silva Benitez also got a team relegated from the Premier league. I will finish on the words of Brian Clough to Sam Longsdon his Chairman at Derby " Sam you just sign the fucking cheques and leave the football side of things to me" Amen to that.
637 Posted 17/06/2021 at 10:21:10
Also, why all the fat-shaming?
638 Posted 17/06/2021 at 10:21:10
639 Posted 17/06/2021 at 10:21:49
Having had my doubts about his appointment in the first place, being surprised by that first season, but then said doubts being realised, I actually had a random thought at the time, that he'd actually be good coaching the U23s.
I said random, but I think it's in line with the thought he's a good coach with good ideas, but not a manager in my opinion.
640 Posted 17/06/2021 at 10:22:58
641 Posted 17/06/2021 at 10:23:39
642 Posted 17/06/2021 at 10:30:56
643 Posted 17/06/2021 at 10:33:59
Your post clearly highlights the difference between the 2 clubs.
One is not afraid of change to move the club forward.
The other is Everton.
644 Posted 17/06/2021 at 10:34:24
You are wrong. I heard the interview with Benitez where he called Everton a small club. He also didn't elaborate at that interview that it was about our style of play which made him call us a small club. So I know it suits the narrative of some supporters to change what was actually said to make it more palatable if we appoint him.
645 Posted 17/06/2021 at 10:34:52
Never ever go back.
646 Posted 17/06/2021 at 10:35:18
Who knows in this modern game what is really happening, but I do fret over the effect all of this speculation is having on our players, because they have never needed much of an excuse to underperform even when things have been relatively calm.
647 Posted 17/06/2021 at 10:36:17
Rafa? That's hardly believable but that's how low the Masters of Everton have fallen. If it happens (gawd forbid) there will be a few less season tickets sold at BMD !
648 Posted 17/06/2021 at 10:39:00
649 Posted 17/06/2021 at 10:39:41
Back to Martinez as that coaching comment has got me thinking. Could that work under Brands? Just leave him to coaching the team and players. I think I'm getting desperate now.
650 Posted 17/06/2021 at 10:43:36
my word, he's done nothing of note. Steve Bruce has done better and they hate him at Newcastle United. He always said how impossible it was to work at Newcastle and how staying up would be a miracle. He built his own statue there just by going against Mike Ashley.
I don't care how you want to call me, but I'm Blue through and through, so don't give me that; I hate that fella and don't want him anywhere near.
would watching Tranmere be an option for the next year and a half? I'm seriously contemplating.
Then again, I hated Koeman from fairly early on and that never stopped me supporting the players. I wasn't alone. We loved Niasse beyond reason also because him scoring were two fat fingers up to Koeman.
651 Posted 17/06/2021 at 10:44:01
Could be they are floating the Benitez story to draw fire whilst the Martinez appointment is finalised. People previously hostile to zapatos marrones are now saying Bobby before Benitez – it's a neat little trick if they can pull it off.
652 Posted 17/06/2021 at 10:45:48
653 Posted 17/06/2021 at 10:47:36
If so, it would be a disappointment for Rafa when the news is broken to him that his application for the post has been unsuccessful.
It would be an unpalatable duty to have to convey such a message to him. Would those interested in volunteering for the task please form an orderly queue behind me.
654 Posted 17/06/2021 at 10:49:22
655 Posted 17/06/2021 at 10:51:30
656 Posted 17/06/2021 at 10:52:11
Dave just a caveat to your Shankly post, you are right he did leave of his own free will, although what happened when he went to Melwood to train after he left was he didnt interfere with proceedings but all the players kept coming over to talk to him. Bob Paisley quite rightly said Bill its causing a detraction with the players you being here can you come back in the afternoon when the players have left. For whatever reason he chose to train at Bellfield where he lived in the road at the back of our training ground.
I did get told a few years after Shankly left that it was about the signing of Ray Kennedy from Arsenal. While Shankly was on holiday some years earlier Liverpool sold Johnny Morrisey to Everton, and he warned the then board that if you ever sell a player again without my consent then that's me finished. Then one morning he was in the corridor at Anfield and John Smith the then chairmen told Shankly that he had spoken to Dennis Hill Wood the chairman of Arsenal and he had agreed to sell Kennedy and he would be turning up tomorrow for a medical. Shankly true to his word and resigned, his last act as manager was the signing of Ray Kennedy.
657 Posted 17/06/2021 at 10:54:54
658 Posted 17/06/2021 at 10:56:01
Meanwhile, back in the real world.
659 Posted 17/06/2021 at 11:00:08
660 Posted 17/06/2021 at 11:02:21
Ive been growing very disillusioned with modern football in general - all the cheating, money, VAR etc. So much so that Im losing faith in Everton. This would be the final straw for me if we appoint Benitez. The two main candidates we have pursued are simply two managers who are available. Surely we should not be narrowing down candidates just because they are available?!
Anyone but Benitez for me.
661 Posted 17/06/2021 at 11:02:53
662 Posted 17/06/2021 at 11:04:33
The reality may be that there's a very limited pool of qualified / avaliable / interested managers out there and the Club is still exploring options before making an appointment – or has effectively decided already but there's a few inevitable wrinkles to iron out.
I still think (hope) it will be Santo – considering the other realistic options.
It may well be the rumours are generated purely to generate advertising / betting revenue. The mind games are just a way to get us to click on website links and gamble our money away.
663 Posted 17/06/2021 at 11:06:25
If the club rate Ferguson so much, why don't they give him the job?
664 Posted 17/06/2021 at 11:08:55
666 Posted 17/06/2021 at 11:10:03
667 Posted 17/06/2021 at 11:25:50
668 Posted 17/06/2021 at 11:27:58
Official. Gennaro Gattuso part ways Fiorentina only 22 days after the appointment, because of the problems on transfers strategy with Gattusos agent Jorge Mendes.
This could explain why Nuno hasn't as yet been given the opportunity to manage Everton. If Benitez is appointed could he outlast Gattuso at Fiorentina?
To provide a workable solution, while the leaders of our club sort out who is in charge of recruitment and what it is that they are trying to achieve, appoint Ferguson on a one-year contract, and during his time at the helm, do some real due diligence on his replacement. If Duncan is a true blue he would accept that this would be better for the club, than having Benitez in charge for any period of time. It would also help in finding out if Duncan is good enough for the job.
669 Posted 17/06/2021 at 11:31:36
It won't bother me as I won't be watching.
670 Posted 17/06/2021 at 11:38:05
Potter, Howe and Dyche have all shown they can regularly put out well motivated teams and get the best out of average or young players.
Every manager has their faults but I would genuinely look forward to next season with any of these three as ours.
Dyche, particularly, has had the not good enough sneer from these pages. Yet, I could imagine the fan base really getting behind a 'sleeves rolled up' type of team he would send out.
We might even enjoy the odd long ball to DCL and Richie if it meant it would soar over Gomes or Schneids.
Dear god, we might even win the odd second ball.
671 Posted 17/06/2021 at 11:42:24
The fact he lives in the area is actually a huge plus, isn't it? No relocation, and a happy manager would surely be a good idea... if you can put aside the above.
I'm not necessarily in favour of Benitez, but his appointment does have its plus points.
672 Posted 17/06/2021 at 11:44:46
673 Posted 17/06/2021 at 11:44:48
674 Posted 17/06/2021 at 11:46:03
675 Posted 17/06/2021 at 11:46:07
Did well at Dortmund before being sacked for doing not so well!
Attacking football is his style.
676 Posted 17/06/2021 at 11:46:55
677 Posted 17/06/2021 at 11:51:54
Has been commuting to China, Naples or Newcastle from the Wirral?
Klopp rents a house from Brendan Rodgers, does that mean Rodgers still lives in the area?
678 Posted 17/06/2021 at 12:06:00
He's done nothing of note for years and plays (I'm not gonna say it) living dead football better than Ancelotti. He's a recipe for disaster IMO and that's without the links to the redshite. Add that to the mix and it's like a sick joke.
I know there are those who are big and adult enough to overlook his past connections and I respect their outlook and won't call them for it but I'm not, and do not want him anywhere near this club.
679 Posted 17/06/2021 at 12:06:04
Don't think he'd stay long with us when he hears the "He's Our Fat Spanish Waiter" chants from the crowd.
680 Posted 17/06/2021 at 12:08:01
Is it a case of... the board split over who they want, or the top managers laughing their bollox off when approached, either way it needs to be sorted ASAP.
Out of them all I'd prefer Martinez but he was too close to the teary one for my liking, Dyche and Howe, no thank you.
Potter has potential but that is all he has and I don't think he would leave Brighton anyways.
It depends on what the club want from the manager. A yes man who won't question the shitty status quo we have, then give it to Duncan, he's part of the furniture after all.
A man who will shake up the status quo? There's a few about but my feeling is the club is to nepotistic for them to allow that to happen.
I've said it before that we are run like a cottage industry rather than a big business. This needs to change and whilst Bill and his cronies are involved it never will.
681 Posted 17/06/2021 at 12:09:52
682 Posted 17/06/2021 at 12:19:27
I can't for the life of me understand how Kenwright has any input whatsoever.
683 Posted 17/06/2021 at 12:20:01
Come on we can do better than this at least get someone from up north and not some dribbling cockney!
684 Posted 17/06/2021 at 12:22:55
685 Posted 17/06/2021 at 12:28:16
I remember seething when I saw Sammy Lee prancing around on our touchline as Sam's assistant, so I can't even imagine how I'll feel when I see this fat, old has-been waddling up and down it!
This would be an absolute low point in our history; please, please don't let it come to fruition.
686 Posted 17/06/2021 at 12:28:51
Nobody knows why the interest in Nuno has cooled - his relationship with Mendes? Insistence by the club that Big Dunc continues to be on the coaching staff? The size of the Nuno entourage? I really like Nuno - he has just the right combination, IMO, of implementing modern coaching techniques, being pragmatic, hard working, hands-on, passionate about his job, experience in the PL, a decent record of success (relatively speaking).
If not Nuno, then Potter for me. He would be risky, but he has kept lowly Brighton in the league quite comfortably for a couple of seasons and plays good football with the players and funds available to him. I just see a great potential (think Wenger or Alex Ferguson) in him, who can potentially transform this sleeping giant.
If not these 2 guys, and assuming that the club have talked to Galtier, Conte, Mancini, Pochettino's representatives and been quickly turned down, then I wouldn't mind going back to Martinez. He has had 5 years of reflection after moving on from Everton. Surely, he would have gotten wiser, and with Brands to take care of player recruitments and talent development, he would be a better manager than earlier. Plus, I have always liked him for the way he represented Everton Football Club. He 'got' the club.
688 Posted 17/06/2021 at 12:32:56
689 Posted 17/06/2021 at 12:33:54
690 Posted 17/06/2021 at 12:34:53
Nobody. Knows. Nuffink!
691 Posted 17/06/2021 at 12:39:22
Also after running the club down for twenty years he told us “I havent a clue about business”.
692 Posted 17/06/2021 at 12:47:50
How does employing Benitez take us to a low point ?
Some say "we'll become a laughing stock"...become a laughing stock ? we became that when under Moyes we couldn't win a single Derby match.
We are a mid table team who think we are deserving of a top manager such as Guardiola, Klopp, Simeone etc
Everyone needs to wake up. We are not near competing in the Premier League let alone European competitions
We ought to be grateful that anyone is considering us. We are a shambles. The quality of our midfield is woeful, the defence not much better. Benitez might just grab this club by the scruff of its neck and start to sort it out.
It's no good everyone threatening to stop supporting the club and walk away. This is the time to galvanize ourselves as a group of supporters and get behind whoever wants the job. If we don't we're sunk
693 Posted 17/06/2021 at 12:53:39
Rafa Benitez on Everton in 2007.
No no no no no no no no no no no no, no thank you.
694 Posted 17/06/2021 at 12:55:50
695 Posted 17/06/2021 at 12:57:57
696 Posted 17/06/2021 at 13:02:25
697 Posted 17/06/2021 at 13:03:06
698 Posted 17/06/2021 at 13:03:38
699 Posted 17/06/2021 at 13:05:14
700 Posted 17/06/2021 at 13:06:53
I can understand some of the vitriol as I hate the RS but get over a comment made 14 years ago by the manager of our biggest rivals. Wish our past managers were like that
I am sure Benitez doesnt need the money, so look at it from his point of view taking on the job of managing Everton and having to take it to that lot. Fair play to him. If he is successful, imagine their reaction.
I love all the Beneathus jibes as well, because isn't that the year he won the Champions league? Jeez we would die to win the Milk/Littlewoods/ League/ Caribou (sic) cup or whatever its called these days.
Little club eh, the truth is more painful than the jibe seeing as we have only won once at Anfield since he said it.
701 Posted 17/06/2021 at 13:08:41
702 Posted 17/06/2021 at 13:09:03
703 Posted 17/06/2021 at 13:09:04
I don't understand all the high drama from many blues, we've had a lot worse and got behind it. Marco Silva ffs! If it's Benitez then so be it. I just hope we show a bit more class than the Chelsea fans did with him. I always thought the abuse they gave him was embarrassing, surely we are better than that.
704 Posted 17/06/2021 at 13:12:17
It's not about his previous comments or behaviour, it's the fact that he's another on his way out. He's spent a couple of years picking up easy cash in China and before that just about saved Newcastle from the drop. Big deal, does that make him on a par with Steve Bruce? Would anyone on here settle for Steve Bruce? Of course not.
No no no no no, didn't I mention no.
705 Posted 17/06/2021 at 13:17:16
I asked a lad in work why he's been here for 15 years, because it's a 5-minute drive away was his response. That's about the same ambition that he'll show us.
All the whinging over the last few years about mercenary players just picking up a wage, and here we want to get the biggest mercenary of them all in!!
706 Posted 17/06/2021 at 13:19:29
707 Posted 17/06/2021 at 13:20:24
708 Posted 17/06/2021 at 13:38:07
709 Posted 17/06/2021 at 13:38:50
You state Benitez doesnt need the money and you are of course correct, therefore I am sure he will snub his nose at the rumoured million pound a month Moshiri is prepared to pay him and accept a contract based upon the teams performance. No of course he wont the greedy FSW is demanding exactly the same terms he was getting in China. He rejected a 6 million pound a year contract at NUFC to go to China. Id be prepared to give him a pass for the tunnel and no more.
For those who are berating posters who say they will no longer attend Goodison and or withdraw their support over this issue, please, get over yourselves, lots of Evertonians decide to jack it in, when something happens they disagree with or just fall out of love with club. For my aging dad it was Sky and the birth of the premier league, he just shakes his head when he witnesses his 59 year old son fretting over all matters Everton.
Just watching Skys coverage of it and they are reporting that Liverpool fans appear quite happy about it and bear him no ill will, well thats ok then. Alan Ball, Howard Kendall, Brian Labone, John Moores Harry Catterick must be turning in their graves at this lamentable turn of events.
Its like some kind of dystopian sci-fi film we cant get into Goodison for 18 months due to a global pandemic and then when we go to cheer the Blues on a sunny August afternoon there is the FSW waving to the crowd saying how happy he is to be at the peoples cluuub
710 Posted 17/06/2021 at 13:41:17
711 Posted 17/06/2021 at 13:43:52
We do not know what is happening in the boardroom, we are reacting to a fact vacuum and so called click bait.
The media needs to be called out by Everton, we were never part of the Sky Fab Four or latterly the Super Six, yet Everton Is one of only 6 clubs who are ever present in the English Premier League. Does that not qualify the club for a better press recognition?
Any fan under 40 will have no idea what Everton have achieved in its past but that is history, the club needs to start challenging at the top of the league and for the cups on a regular basis.
Meanwhile the club needs to find the right manager who will work with Marcel Brands and support this pairing in running the playing side of the business.
For my part I will continue to support my football team, Our club, COYB.
712 Posted 17/06/2021 at 13:46:53
713 Posted 17/06/2021 at 13:47:20
714 Posted 17/06/2021 at 13:48:54
You can do one with the fat Spanish waster.
715 Posted 17/06/2021 at 13:52:43
Nuno close... Benitez close... I genuinely think the club are putting names out to gauge fan's reaction. They are taking their time. If not, Benitez or Nuno would've been the manager by now.
I just don't see Benitez becoming manager. The club must know it's a huge risk especially with the overhaul the squad needs. The second we go on a bad run supporters will be burning effigies of Benitez in the streets. He'll be hounded out.
716 Posted 17/06/2021 at 13:55:20
sadly we havent done for a generation thanks largely to some extraordinary mismanagement at the top - which a lot of the so called “experts” on here still fail to see - so get over yourselves. He managed Liverpool. So fucking what. He has a dog called Red…heathen. Who cares as long as hes winning.
717 Posted 17/06/2021 at 14:02:58
This is the guy who turned his nose up at Aderwiereld for €3.5m during the 2014 WC because he preferred Besic for £4m. The year before, a week into his career with us, he wasn't interested in VVD either when he could have had him from Groningen for around £3m preferring to bring Alcaraz from Wigan.
This is the guy who substitutes a player when we're 2-0 up because his I pad stats recommended it, we lost 3-2.
Sky Sports journo Vinnie O'Connor after England reversed a 2 goal deficit against Germany to win?
"I think the German dug out had Martinez in charge for the 2nd half".
This bloke turned a top 6/7th placed competitive team into a 12th placed also ran with one of the best strikers in world football.
For what it's worth, my choice would be Favre. He transformed Monchengladbach, did the same in the short time he spent at Nice and wasn't too bad at Dortmund either.
If a younger man is favoured, my choice would be Lampard with Duncan and also bring in John Terry.
718 Posted 17/06/2021 at 14:03:49
Rob, please tell me what's going on. I don't think the dogs can take much more. I think they're starting to disown me.
But they won't; they love me with undying loyalty as much as I do Everton.
I am not as hostile as some, but really don't want us to have our Tottenham George Graham moment the more I think about it.
719 Posted 17/06/2021 at 14:04:04
720 Posted 17/06/2021 at 14:07:12
That would be like the club allowing us to pick the next manager, the board is either split and if so Moshiri should pull rank and tell the others to fuck off, or no-one of any repute wants the job because it's got conditions built in, ie you have to keep so and so because they are part of the furniture.
721 Posted 17/06/2021 at 14:08:47
How about moving the club to Dublin? If that gets us results?
722 Posted 17/06/2021 at 14:10:41
723 Posted 17/06/2021 at 14:13:20
So how many on here would have said no thanks to Bill Shankly, because of his Liverpool connection.
At the time I would say almost everyone, but as the years passed and he appeared at home games, Everton fans warmed to him.
So if Benitez had not managed Liverpool, would you still have the same not a chance attitude to the guy.
We had the same reaction, when we signed two Liverpool fringe players in Alan Harper and Kevin Sheedy, usual shouts of we do not want players that cannot even get regular game time for them.
So take the Red shite connection out of the thinking, then do your thoughts then change to, he might actually do a job at Everton.
724 Posted 17/06/2021 at 14:13:59
"Who cares as long as hes winning."
There is the nub of the problem, he hasnt been winning for a very long time and a lot of Evertonians myself included think this is the worst appointment we could make.
Just watch the club go South when he starts to lose a few games and blames the board or the players and the crowd turn toxic.
This appointment has tears all over it. Just look at the poll with over 50% against him. That is not a recipe for success.
And the truth is he is getting it because he retains big Dunc as his assistant.
This has Kenwright's Machiavellian hand written all over it IMO.
725 Posted 17/06/2021 at 14:15:55
726 Posted 17/06/2021 at 14:21:20
727 Posted 17/06/2021 at 14:21:26
Putting aside any Liverpool connection or barbed comments about our club what has the guy done in the prem since he left Liverpool.
The only reason he wants the job is because of his family not because he sees Everton as an opportunity to win things.
728 Posted 17/06/2021 at 14:21:33
Brian #695, it's not just the time he spent in China, it's the fact that he failed there. He won 12 of 38 games at Dalian. Even brought Rondon with him from Barcodes and still couldn't cut it in a very easy league.
Rob #712, we await your report.
729 Posted 17/06/2021 at 14:25:53
730 Posted 17/06/2021 at 14:29:30
731 Posted 17/06/2021 at 14:37:36
Benitez only wants the job so he doesnt have to move house.
Kenwright wants him as it means Ferguson is retained.
What a dismal small time club we have become.
Even if its not Benitez it will be someone totally uninspiring.
732 Posted 17/06/2021 at 14:45:19
733 Posted 17/06/2021 at 14:47:33
Hmmm... talk about adding no value...
734 Posted 17/06/2021 at 14:49:28
735 Posted 17/06/2021 at 14:52:56
He still has an affinity with the Red Sh1te and their fans. He has no affinity or respect for our small club. He doesn't give a monkeys hump whether we win or lose, as he is still picking up his fat pay cheque. We get relegated, because he doesn't care about our club, and gets sacked, with a hefty payoff. Continues to be legend over the park, because he took us down. He and their fans all just laughing at our once proud club. I ask you, is that so unbelievable? Do you still think it's ok to have him in the Goodison dug out? I have never been so troubled, distressed, and felt so gutted about my club as I will if this goes ahead.
736 Posted 17/06/2021 at 14:54:03
If it wasnt for the Blue Union we would be playing in a stadium attached to a tescos in Kirkby.
100% crap your post
737 Posted 17/06/2021 at 14:57:54
738 Posted 17/06/2021 at 15:02:34
739 Posted 17/06/2021 at 15:03:57
However I am posting because without doubt every single post is based on supposition and news from any journo who wishes to comment.
We have no idea what is happening in the boardroom. For what its worth Kenwright is an Evertonian and any suggestion he would support a move for Benitez is unthinkable! But what the hell do I know - literally sweet FA.
At a guess we will end up with Favre and that would do me even though I was praying for Galtier.
740 Posted 17/06/2021 at 15:07:20
741 Posted 17/06/2021 at 15:10:08
742 Posted 17/06/2021 at 15:22:27
Brian #740, I know you're kidding about Galtier, but apparently some Blues haven't given up on him, especially since there's been no news in two weeks concerning his move to Nice: https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/christophe-galtier-social-media-campaign-20826698
743 Posted 17/06/2021 at 15:26:50
744 Posted 17/06/2021 at 15:29:46
Moshiri and Kenwright both need Ferguson as he looks after them like a minder. ( especially Bill )
Kenwright threatened to leave if he didnt get his own way and Moshiri has fallen for it because he loves him dearly so bill has been in Moshiris ear telling him that not only does Benitez have a past history of trophies but that he will work for less than half of what NES wanted, he will let Ferguson stay and his experience will keep us up.
What more could Moshiri want ?? You know, protect your investment and all of that lark !
745 Posted 17/06/2021 at 15:31:31
Cant argue with your post, however, any manager coming in has no affinity to us
At the end of the day theyd no sleep if we were relegated, laughed off the park or whatever
The only people who show any and every allegiance, lose sleep and live their lives for Everton is us
746 Posted 17/06/2021 at 15:31:40
Strewth. World War 1 veteran?
747 Posted 17/06/2021 at 15:32:13
Seriously, I would much rather have Rafa as Dunc has done nothing in his career that would suggest he is capable of managing a Premier League team with top 6 ambitions.
Unless of course you include that stroke of genius where we lined up with a back 3 prior to kick off against Utd, only for the big reveal that Holgate was playing in midfield!
That that the opposition completely bamboozled for all of 5 seconds!
748 Posted 17/06/2021 at 15:32:15
750 Posted 17/06/2021 at 15:35:22
Time to Forget your fucking history blues and move into a new era of forward thinking without the baggage.
751 Posted 17/06/2021 at 15:38:14
Just bailed on Fiorentina after three weeks. He and Italy appear to have had enough of each other.
No tactical genius, for sure, and like Nuno a Mendes client... but what a motivator. Our sleepy midfielders wouldn't know what hit them when Gattuso landed at Goodison. And he showed at Milan that he knows how to win games.
We'd never be bored.
752 Posted 17/06/2021 at 15:38:26
Even money favourite.
753 Posted 17/06/2021 at 15:43:58
754 Posted 17/06/2021 at 15:46:16
755 Posted 17/06/2021 at 15:50:27
To be honest I expect that tomorrows papers will be full of him turning us down as he couldnt do that to the Liverpool supporters he loved so much.
756 Posted 17/06/2021 at 15:51:02
757 Posted 17/06/2021 at 15:51:14
758 Posted 17/06/2021 at 15:51:30
759 Posted 17/06/2021 at 15:53:23
Up the workers and all that.
760 Posted 17/06/2021 at 15:54:41
Gatusso bailed as apparently Fiorentina wouldn't allow his pay master Mendes to call the shots on transfers. I'd say that's a red flag for him and Nuno. That apart, other than being a loud mouth roughneck he hasn't done much to prove his coaching credentials.
761 Posted 17/06/2021 at 15:59:50
762 Posted 17/06/2021 at 16:05:48
Paulo Fonseca to Tottenham is 100% OFF. Deal collapsed because of taxes issues despite contract already completed and set to be signed - Fonseca had tax advantages from an Italian law which is not applicable in the UK
That would suggest that he isn't going to Everton either.
763 Posted 17/06/2021 at 16:07:04
764 Posted 17/06/2021 at 16:13:08
As for his coaching credentials, I disagree. He won half his games at Milan with a weird and unbalanced roster, and won almost 60% of his games at Napoli. And remember he's only 43 and still learning. Would certainly fit the expressed desire of many here for a young, growing coach. He's also great in a press conference.
News reports today have Spurs in for him immediately upon his departure from Fiorentina.
765 Posted 17/06/2021 at 16:13:55
766 Posted 17/06/2021 at 16:15:23
767 Posted 17/06/2021 at 16:18:20
- London base
- Squad quality
- Recent pedigree
- (possibly) transfer budget
If the Fonseca deal broke down over transfer kitty, I guess there's a sense of realism / pointlessness about some of these appointments. Unfortunately there is almost no chance of breaking the domination of 4 big, valuable squads.
They still wouldn't appoint Benitez though.
I still think we'll get Santo although not sure why. Spurs might give Scott Parker a go.
768 Posted 17/06/2021 at 16:19:20
769 Posted 17/06/2021 at 16:21:16
10th-minute tribute is planned. And I really hope he's chosen to hand the trophy to the champion, if he's able. He's the face of this tournament now.
770 Posted 17/06/2021 at 16:21:21
So as I understand it (but let's be honest it could change again because it's Spurs) Gennaro Gattuso was Fabio Paratici's preferred choice and he wanted him at Juventus before he left, but he wasn't available for Tottenham.
So Fonseca became the available top choice. Everything was agreed between him and Spurs. Even yesterday they were sorting stuff for his visa and all the administrative stuff. Paratici and Fonseca had meetings this week in Milan and Como, to prepare for the season ahead.
Everything was going through. Then Gattuso left Fiorentina today and everything has gone haywire and Spurs have now switched their attentions to him. Fonseca's people are completely bewildered (sound familiar). A day in the life of covering Tottenham for you there.
In reply, a Spurs supporter tweeted:
Tottenham are running the most important managerial appointment issue like a ninth-division club. The board are all to blame
See it isn't just us that have misgivings about the leadership at a club.
771 Posted 17/06/2021 at 16:25:20
Please go and peddle your political views on an appropriate political website - what on earth has the appointment of a manager got to do with Socialism or Thatcherism or any other -ism???
772 Posted 17/06/2021 at 16:26:06
What time do the pubs open in your neighbourhood?
773 Posted 17/06/2021 at 16:26:30
So Tottenham got Mullered. Remember that joker, showed up having agreed terms then said "wait a minute, we have to pay taxes on this?"
But as far as Fonseca goes, tax or no tax, he is not exactly going to be short of a few bob if he manages in England. Don't see him getting many other highly paid jobs in Europe.
774 Posted 17/06/2021 at 16:27:37
Gattuso would certainly fix their issue with softness, although I doubt he'd last more than a year there.
775 Posted 17/06/2021 at 16:28:17
Lets not forget, Carlo Ancelotti was not sacked, he moved on, yes he shit on us however he went on to what was bigger and better for him, for this you call for Duncans head, like he had something to do with it. Im sure Duncan did his best to embrace Carlo in this city, looked to me like he was trying to bring him closer to the fans and the people of Merseyside, do you not think Duncan effected by Ancelottis departure?! Nope you want him sacked!!
Then Nuno - some of you are stating he was offered millions but has declined because Duncan is part of the set up, absolutely garbage, really where do you get this information from?
Another says “is Duncan is a true Evertonian” FFS, that's ludicrous.
Do you think the club are stupid, the club need Ferguson on the bench… What happens if the next manager walks out or is sacked mid season and we are bottom of the league, please tell me what would the club do. They would turn to Ferguson or the U23s coach to take over and steady the ship until a new manager was appointed. Makes sense doesnt it….
And another “they won't leave there cosy set up”…. Really what garbage… Lets consider how cosy Ferguson felt taking on Chelsea, Man U, Leicester and Arsenal when our football club was on the absolute floor and facing the championship.
Some fans on here have really short memories however it seems to be the same minority, the ones that dont go the game!!
And please tell or show me a quite when did Duncan declared he wants the job. Lets see the facts…
776 Posted 17/06/2021 at 16:29:32
That's a good first step to making yourself more unpopular than any of the managerial options mentioned on here.
777 Posted 17/06/2021 at 16:29:33
You are talking out of your arse it was Thatcher and her kind who fucked this city and the rest of the North. What a brilliant idea for any nation to decimate its manufacturing base, deregulate credit and fuel a debt crisis. Decades later public money is used to bail out banks and effectively renationalise the rail network.
778 Posted 17/06/2021 at 16:31:23
Sorry to say it but you have no idea of the city's history – nor the clubs'.
779 Posted 17/06/2021 at 16:33:02
780 Posted 17/06/2021 at 16:33:12
Some potholes you just steer around and ignore them.
781 Posted 17/06/2021 at 16:33:19
Credit where due: he saw the spirit of the people of our city and changed his tack. He deserves the thanks of all people who live in the city for the regeneration he encouraged.
I well remember a lad, during the two-night drinking binge we had to celebrate Thatcher's death, proposing a toast to Michael Heseltine. Well received.
782 Posted 17/06/2021 at 16:41:40
783 Posted 17/06/2021 at 16:42:00
I am beginning to think that, as long as these billionaire owners of football clubs can keep using football to launder their money, they couldn't really care where their club finishes as long as they remain in the Premier League cash cow.
784 Posted 17/06/2021 at 16:47:38
But, having said that, what a shambles of a recruitment process. In my article, Blood Brothers, I did think there were two camps, but never thought it would manifest itself so blatantly as we are now seeing this unfold. It's like the negotiations between two power blocks, when an election throws up no outright majority. This is not the way for a club to recruit a manager.
Now we have Neville putting in his bit. Who does he represent? The fans or stalwarts in the club?
785 Posted 17/06/2021 at 16:50:43
786 Posted 17/06/2021 at 16:57:23
I'm loving this thread.
787 Posted 17/06/2021 at 16:58:14
That would be Biddu, 1976, wonderful right-wing deep thinker. 😁👌
We don't need revolutions. We just need to open our eyes. Revolution is no solution, we ought to realise.
788 Posted 17/06/2021 at 17:01:34
789 Posted 17/06/2021 at 17:08:19
I've said on other threads from the off, I have a funny feeling it's Martinez.
It's just too protracted for it to be any other scenario.
Forget that last comment... I forgot we're talking about Everton.
790 Posted 17/06/2021 at 17:09:35
I realise that you are completely ignorant of Liverpool city history and indeed Everton FC history; I would recommend that you read Thatcher's cabinet papers. They called it Managed Decline and Thatcher intended to use it to bring the city to its knees.
If you can't be bothered to do that, I would recommend that you read Two Tribes by Tony Evans which explains the concept in words of one syllable.
Thomas #781 is entirely correct in his assessment of Michael Heseltine's contribution.
791 Posted 17/06/2021 at 17:13:13
792 Posted 17/06/2021 at 17:13:42
He may also be able to get a tune out of the shite he's inheriting, who knows?
As Greavsie said... "It's a funny old game!"
793 Posted 17/06/2021 at 17:27:00
Liverpool, like many other northern areas, was callously written off by the Tories, Thatcher's cynical policy of managed decline destroyed many families and caused decades of desperation for countless thousands. You should read some books before you post contemptible shite or express vile ignorance.
Thatcher's main objective was to destroy socialism, the people behind the NHS and welfare. A little history lesson for you, in the days before socialism, if you were poor and sick, you just died and they replaced you. Destroying the unions was the key strand to destabilising Labour, the cost was Britain's industrial infrastructure.
In 2002, she was asked what her greatest achievement was... her reply: New Labour, fuckin diet Tories.
Socialism is still very much in operation, it's just the preserve of the rich. When banks are bailed out with public money, that is a perversion of socialism.
Big no to Benitez, the identity of Everton has suffered enough. Literally anybody else.
794 Posted 17/06/2021 at 17:27:13
I'd be surprised if Deschamps and Enrique would come to us, I don't think we'd employ Joachim. The only other one is Mancini; I wonder if Conte is going to follow him coaching Italy?
Again though, would Mancini want the Everton job, particularly if he wins the Euros with Italy?
Unless there is another option managing there I am missing?
795 Posted 17/06/2021 at 17:27:26
If we appoint FSW, that would be the end of Moshiri as the owner.
796 Posted 17/06/2021 at 17:27:42
797 Posted 17/06/2021 at 17:28:05
Barry @ 737 - I think that nickname will fly, should things play out that way.
Stephen, the managed decline approach is in play today on a much larger global scale, in a much more pervasive form.
798 Posted 17/06/2021 at 17:33:48
Which increasingly makes you wonder... are they just yanking our chain back and forth? If it's not Benitez, then the chatter – especially via that twat Jim White – is execrable. A deliberate and calculated fishing expedition.
But my firmly held belief is that they have not a care in the world for the opinion of the fans in these situations. That's something they pay mere lip-service to when it suits, eg, the Fans Forum.
Guess I still can't get used to this modern system of advance news release that seems to dominate the media these days. It's like everyone panders to the needs of the Breakfast News programs by telling them what the news today is going to be, ahead of it being confirmed, instead of the old ways of news being reported after it has actually happened.
799 Posted 17/06/2021 at 17:36:48
Thomas (#752), 'Twat of the month' – I think you were alluding to Paul Niklas. If you were, your odds were well out: more like 1/100!!
800 Posted 17/06/2021 at 17:36:55
801 Posted 17/06/2021 at 17:38:22
802 Posted 17/06/2021 at 17:54:28
I think it might be an idea to contact Paul direct and ask him if he's okay?
It might be that he's suffering from this “long covid” we keep hearing about.
Either way, the lad's not well
803 Posted 17/06/2021 at 17:57:45
804 Posted 17/06/2021 at 17:59:06
805 Posted 17/06/2021 at 18:00:03
Essentially the whole media structure benefits from the "Interest", by various measures. We just get flooded with info, 90% of which proves to be meaningless after the fact.
806 Posted 17/06/2021 at 18:02:14
She was right to do all she could to rid us of it and it worked. Until we now have the corrupt labour Mayor and his socialist cronies again filling their back pockets, just like the unions and the militants of the 80s.
No wind-up merchant – just a Conservative point of view that's not allowed in my beloved city.
Rafa is perfect for the Blues, wake up and smell the coffee for once.
807 Posted 17/06/2021 at 18:05:16
Thanks for making me laugh. It's been a while!! Ah if only. Galtier may not be able to speak English, but doesn't seem to be a problem for Bielsa!!
John at 745,
I understand that there is little affinity or loyalty with players or managers these days, but no other manager in the frame has shown the disrespect before managing us. And at least other managers wouldn't have an up side to seeing us relegated as Benitez would. Being celebrated as a hero by the Red Shite. Not to mention doing us out of millions. That's game, set & match to the Red Shite as I see it.
808 Posted 17/06/2021 at 18:07:04
809 Posted 17/06/2021 at 18:07:13
Socialism hasn't been erased, mate. Whether you want to lump socialism with communists, or take a more reasonable view and look at countries like in Scandinavia, it is alive and well.
Thatcher, on the other hand...
810 Posted 17/06/2021 at 18:08:32
I thought the excuse was that his English wasn't good enough! The coaching staff story is for Nuno, lol.
811 Posted 17/06/2021 at 18:13:26
We fall out with each other on this forum on all things Everton. I am sure all contributors have no interest in discussing politics or religion on here!!!
Focus on Everton the football club; if that's too difficult Question Time is on the BBC iPlayer, or tune in to Radio 4. TW has more than enough to discuss without politics, religion or stupidity.
812 Posted 17/06/2021 at 18:14:54
813 Posted 17/06/2021 at 18:18:34
I will believe it when it happens, whoever it is.
On a side topic, I am all for free speech but where on earth has Paul Niklas sprung from? Some pretty extreme views there – does he still have that long blond hair and cheeky smile from Just Good Friends?
814 Posted 17/06/2021 at 18:20:25
I am wary of anyone who does charity work, as a so-called Celebrity, do they not get maximum publicity as being the good guy? Usually just after there is some sort of indelible stain on their character or activities. Get real, it's all PR, his Agent would have seen to that!
Don't want him, or his like anywhere near our shambles of a Club, we may be the laughing stock since Moshiri joined the Circus, but I had hoped we still had some pride left!
Now go and wash your mouth out with soap !
815 Posted 17/06/2021 at 18:21:52
Either way, we are in the hands of a nincompoop!
816 Posted 17/06/2021 at 18:25:50
817 Posted 17/06/2021 at 18:31:28
Now it's Gatuso...
818 Posted 17/06/2021 at 18:31:59
Moshri didnt pour 200M into our playing squad, invest in a new stadium, hire one of the greatest managers of all time, just to let all that investment rot because Bill wants Big Dunc to be a number two.
It's just not a thing guys. There are probably many reasons why we haven't got our manager yet, and many that if I knew would most likely terrify me, but I am 99% confident we are not basing the future of our club on the conditional that Duncan has a number two job.
819 Posted 17/06/2021 at 18:32:07
Any stadium news?
820 Posted 17/06/2021 at 18:34:12
821 Posted 17/06/2021 at 18:34:23
I don't know, just about most of us don't, but if we are determining our next manager on whether they will keep Duncan or not, that is concerning. I hope not.
I'm happy for Duncan to stay on merit and because the manager wants him to be part of his staff.
But I genuinely hope that is not part of the negotiation process.
822 Posted 17/06/2021 at 18:36:29
He then goes out and buys the players which he believes can fulfil this strategy, regardless of the manager/coach. That may be Dumfries, Nunes, whoever, but he has a clear formation and buys accordingly.
We then cycle through managers who have proven they can deliver against that formation with other clubs, if they fail here, fine, fire, move on. But our identify and our squad remains constant.
So if I was DoF with the above strategy, I'd be looking at Galtier, Hassenhuttl, etc.
We can't keep jumping from strategy to strategy with every manager and being left with players from the last strategy which no one wants.
823 Posted 17/06/2021 at 18:37:51
Hahaha LOL. He's been on the coaching staff for SEVEN years. Name me one other club in the current Premier League with an ex-player on the coaching staff that has seen off five-plus managers….
824 Posted 17/06/2021 at 18:40:12
Why is Benitez perfect for us?? His teams are boring and negative; we have just had a season of that by the last manager? What has he done in the last 5 years?
We should go for Graham Potter: he is on the way up, he is young and hungry, and he plays a good style of football.
825 Posted 17/06/2021 at 18:42:11
That style requires pace. We have none to speak of.
826 Posted 17/06/2021 at 18:44:24
Uncle Tom Cobly and all.
We dont know what we dont know (think about it!).
All the speculation re the above is media driven. Thank god Jim White has left SSN, his comments regarding Moshiri dried up years ago, and who was pulling whose strings?
Whoever it is we will have no say in the appointment. You will never please all the people all of the time.
If it is Benitez we are going to have to swallow the bitter pill. However, those in the know are keeping their cards close to their chest.
I gave my season ticket up due to poor health, however, once a blue always a blue (57yrs from the age of 14).
To those of you threatening not to renew your season ticket, or never watch the toffees ever again, your not Evertonians (IMO).
Whoever takes over,true Evertonians will never desert the ship, whoever is at the helm.
827 Posted 17/06/2021 at 19:00:14
Until if ever he becomes a complete failure.
828 Posted 17/06/2021 at 19:00:54
Paul Niklas it is.
It didnt work in this city, socialism is alive and kicking.
Mrs T isn't.
829 Posted 17/06/2021 at 19:07:42
830 Posted 17/06/2021 at 19:09:29
831 Posted 17/06/2021 at 19:13:55
An high press requires some pace... particularly at centre back - we have Godfrey, and Holgate is no slouch.
The system requires mobile players and high fitness levels. I think we've got plenty of players that would do okay: Godfrey, Holgate, Doucouré, Allan, Davies, Calvert-Lewin, Digne and Richarlison. With more pace added out wide, it would be my much preferred style of play. Not all high pressing teams have pace in every single position on the pitch. It's about getting the balance right.
We're crying out for some high energy footy that can get all the fans excited again. Ralph Hasenhüttl would be my choice to deliver that.
832 Posted 17/06/2021 at 19:17:20
Bad news is normally released on Friday, so loyal old Joe can have three days to accept his situation.
But this is one shambles by Everton, so it could be the following Friday. Not hopeful of good news from the so call leaders at Everton, the longer this continues.
Someone in Everton is feeding the beast.
833 Posted 17/06/2021 at 19:23:45
Disaster Waiting to Happen
834 Posted 17/06/2021 at 19:31:49
Open your eyes and don't believe everything the Daily Mail tells you. This Tory government are responsible for over 120,000 deaths and that is with the massaged figures going off those who tested positive. The actual figure is much higher.
We've lost members of my wife's family to it. So many mistakes that they make Kenwright look competent.
Those socialists left us world-leading stocks of PPE in the event of a pandemic. Cameron, May and Johnson let it expire and put stickers over the Use By dates in 2013 and again in 2016. Shameful.
As for Everton, I think Rafa won't be appointed. If it were to happen, it would have been done by now.
I still don't get the calls for Potter. He is this season's Chris Wilder. A one-hit wonder. There have been lots of them down the years.
Go for Galtier and at least get someone who all the fans can get behind.
835 Posted 17/06/2021 at 19:34:41
I will always be a life long Evertonian irrespective of whether or not I choose to visit the Old Lady (first match 1959, season ticket holder since 1968) spent £10,000s following the Blues all over the world.
I am just not a Benitezian and frankly his appointment would be the final straw for me following years and years of lies and mismanagement by our illustrious Chairman.
836 Posted 17/06/2021 at 19:35:23
Nuno, Benitez or whoever will not give one jot if Ferguson is there and to suggest that's the reason a deal for these managers is stalling is plain ludicrous. Everton know they have a capable coach to step up again if they sack a manger mid-season or, in this instance, a manager does a runner.
Ferguson will always have my respect for saving our club when in free fall and, if you were at these games, particularly the Chelsea and Man Utd games, you would be thanking Ferguson, not criticising him.
Keep lording foreign imports, who are mercenaries... and keep criticising a true Evertonian who stepped up and saved us.
837 Posted 17/06/2021 at 19:44:42
That's exactly what we should be aiming for. Brands cannot be calling the shots on the managerial appointments; otherwise, he's the most schizophrenic DOF in Europe!
We've got no discernible style of play nor players that fit into a particular style. Instead, we are left with the inevitable conclusion that Moshiri is making the decisions on the managerial appointments and he hasn't got a scooby doo about football. Hence Benitez even being interviewed.
If Brands had anything about him, he'd resign. We are going nowhere under the present owner. If only we had the Brentford owner – he actually knows what he is doing!
838 Posted 17/06/2021 at 19:47:59
Biggest surprise in that article – forty candidates under consideration. Don't know where they got that from, I'd struggle to come up with half that number.
The rest of it, I basically agree with. I really would prefer Ferguson by now.
839 Posted 17/06/2021 at 19:49:49
Go for Galtier and at least get someone who all fans can get behind.
I would wager most Evertonians have no idea who he is (no bad thing btw)
840 Posted 17/06/2021 at 19:52:36
The list comprised of FSW, Former Real Madrid manager, Former LFC boss, Former Milan boss, Bloke who resides on the Wirral, Bloke whose wife does sterling charity work, Former Everton boss x 3, Guy who managed in China, Spanish guy with a goatee, up-and-coming boss x5,
841 Posted 17/06/2021 at 19:59:50
I am coming round to the idea of Ferguson and / or Unsworth. Let them work with Brands and a good crop of youth emerging out of our u18s.
If it goes wrong maybe then we can appoint the FSW because I guarantee he will still be out of work.
842 Posted 17/06/2021 at 20:00:20
So he managed you know who….. his CV is far superior to anyone on the market. That cannot be disputed and this nonsense about modern football… he's won everything in the modern game – enough said.
Get Rafa and we will get into Europe. See the big picture, not the small one.
843 Posted 17/06/2021 at 20:02:26
Here is one out of the blue: Why not Scott Parker? Hear me out; Fulham were made up of loanees and Championshp players. Terrible start but then became mean in defence and some good football.
If we all say no to Dunc, Howe, Potter as inexperienced or the others as past their sell-by dates. Then why not?
844 Posted 17/06/2021 at 20:02:40
That made me laugh. Don't go for Potter because he's a one-season wonder, let's go for Galtier instead (the very definition of a one-season wonder).
845 Posted 17/06/2021 at 20:07:53
Besides, he speaks very little English.
846 Posted 17/06/2021 at 20:14:18
847 Posted 17/06/2021 at 20:17:14
The mischievous Liverpool fans are also fuming. "Benitez shouldn't go to Everton" is probably the only thing most of both sets of fans have agreed with each other on this century.
848 Posted 17/06/2021 at 20:26:30
Back on point, I think the board want a safe pair of hands until BMD is done and Rafa fits that bill. I can't see any wild card getting the job.
849 Posted 17/06/2021 at 20:26:59
I didn't write it mate, I only linked it because I thought it might be of interest to some fellow TW's. The board will do whatever they decide to do, and we as fans will have to live with it.
850 Posted 17/06/2021 at 20:27:39
An aging pet, being kept around to keep fans happy; yes, this is definitely insulting...
Duncan Ferguson has worked his way up the ranks since his return to Goodison Park in 2011. Supporting Alan Irvine throughout the Academy while he was completing his coaching qualifications. He was then employed by the Academy and worked alongside Kevin Sheedy with the U18s. He was promoted up to the first team under Roberto Martinez, who came out in public back in 2014, hailing him as ‘the full package'. He worked under four failed managers before being promoted to caretaker, where he was undeafted.
Many ex-players and people within the footballing world have backed Duncan to be a great Everton manager and just what this Club needs. It definitely won't be this time around but you will see and by God, you will be eating your words, like every other so-called great Evertonian on here who does nothing but pull the man down.
You're allowed your opinions; however, they are utter shite...
851 Posted 17/06/2021 at 20:34:22
I said that about Klopp and I stand by it. Mark my words: you and the rest who want Rafa as manager will be the first to jab the knife in if our home form is as bad next season as it was the last.
If we get beat by the Red Shite, you and those who want him will witch hunt him with jibes: if he does not care, he's got the shite at heart, etc.
The fans have been split by a fucking dippy owner and it's wrong.
852 Posted 17/06/2021 at 20:36:39
853 Posted 17/06/2021 at 20:40:19
I've read a few posts, but not that many to be honest, because as you quite rightly state Barry, it's on the powers that be at Everton to make the decision. But I'm reading a few things on these pages that honestly make me think: Do the people writing some of the shite actually even believe what they're writing?
Evertonians are all over the place, but one thing seems obvious and that is that most of them don't want Rafa Fucking Benitez anywhere near their club.
854 Posted 17/06/2021 at 20:40:21
855 Posted 17/06/2021 at 20:41:31
856 Posted 17/06/2021 at 20:46:55
857 Posted 17/06/2021 at 20:47:31
858 Posted 17/06/2021 at 20:47:57
You misunderstood my post. Making him a condition of employment for the manager makes him seem like a charity case. Let the man sink or fail on his own merits be it as the manager, or a coach the new manager may consider retaining. They seem to just have him in the assistant role permanently with no prospect of moving up, just as a way to keep fans happy. That is what is insulting, and it is insulting to us but also to Duncan.
859 Posted 17/06/2021 at 20:50:48
860 Posted 17/06/2021 at 20:52:26
By the way, #GaltiertoGoodison hashtag has started on Twitter
861 Posted 17/06/2021 at 20:55:54
Better living thru getting in fights over managerial selections.
862 Posted 17/06/2021 at 20:56:35
863 Posted 17/06/2021 at 21:02:06
Have to agree with you.
The chairman leaves a lot to be desired.
However, we will have to accept the new enumbant whoever he (she) maybe.
Maybe tomorrow will reveal all, which allows the power that be the weekend to respond.
I just wish the future of our wonderful club.
864 Posted 17/06/2021 at 21:04:14
865 Posted 17/06/2021 at 21:04:18
866 Posted 17/06/2021 at 21:12:04
attempt to show the Cub's owner in the worst possible light.
Only our revered chairman can save Moshiri from his folly and the ultimate demise of Everton into relegation fodder. All of this scenario happened to Randy Lerner at Aston Villa and is about to be repeated here. And Chairman Bill knows that very well !
867 Posted 17/06/2021 at 21:17:42
And please don't interpret that as an initial and overriding desire to bring Bobby back. On the other hand, a choice between Roberto and Rafa is an easy one for me.
868 Posted 17/06/2021 at 21:28:29
I'm not being sarcastic, as we have all heard positive feedback about Dunc.
869 Posted 17/06/2021 at 21:37:15
870 Posted 17/06/2021 at 21:42:50
I am sure Duncan, like all Evertonians will want the right man in the job, like all of us he will want the greatest manager out there to take this Club forward, he will have the clubs best interest at heart and if that means holding back and being inspired by greater things then I applaud him even more than I already do.
What I witness is that he is passionate about his job, he is passionate about this Club, our fans and the people in this City. He is a great coach and assistant manager, Ive never seen any of the previous managers or first team players say any different, have you no I dont think so...
Lets give the man a break, back off, he is not to blame for this mess we are in so stop the “get rid, lingering around like a bas smell, aging pet, sack him” and all the other nasty comments been made on here, the man has been nothing but a saviour to this Club and we need to show him a bit more damn respect!!
872 Posted 17/06/2021 at 21:56:57
873 Posted 17/06/2021 at 22:07:02
874 Posted 17/06/2021 at 22:12:07
I suspected that this was what would go on, but if there is not announcement tomorrow, for the old Everton faithful to come to some type of acceptance of over the weekend, then the conflict is bigger than I thought was possible. The result in the weeks after that will be of no use to the Everton Club.
875 Posted 17/06/2021 at 22:13:11
We are not worried Mosh will get cold feet about the moaning, we are hopeful he will get cold feet about it. As you should be as Rafa ticks all the boxes you harped on about with Carlo, age 61, yesterday's man, after the money (as in China), boring defensive football, poor signings, no youngsters in the team etc
876 Posted 17/06/2021 at 22:14:23
877 Posted 17/06/2021 at 22:19:43
I have heard he has said to players and staff the only way he would leave Everton is if he was sacked.
It might just be, he hasn't got the balls to leave the cushy number he has with Everton with his "legend" status.
Go prove yourself Duncan, if you're good enough I'm sure the board will notice.
878 Posted 17/06/2021 at 22:28:33
Everton either wants a Director of Football or it doesn't. I wish they'd make their minds up, it's hard enough trying to attract good players to Everton as it is, anything that smells of instability in the structure of the club will only make it even more difficult.
I can only imagine that the three amigos are playing rock. paper, scissors to decide upon which one of them gets to make one of the most important decisions they could possibly have to make at what may prove to be a crucial juncture in the club's history.
But I'm sure that none of the above is true and that they are all singing from the same hymn sheet, and all of them are clear and united in what is best for Everton Football Club.
879 Posted 17/06/2021 at 22:28:45
880 Posted 17/06/2021 at 22:33:25
881 Posted 17/06/2021 at 22:34:03
Tony (872) sat motionless on the bench, erm, didnt you see him running on to the pitch just recently against the shite, embracing players with tears in his eyes, and you obviously didnt see his reaction and celebrations at Man U, and of course you were nowhere near the stadium when he was caretaker.. Ive watched him from my seat over the years, up and down, shouting directions.
The emotionless Ancelotti and Silva I think you are referring to on this subject.
Hes been instrumental (IMO) to the improvements DCL has made these past couple of seasons of which DCL has commented on so many occasions.
882 Posted 17/06/2021 at 22:34:43
Hopefully its the best possible appointment for the next 4 to 5 years at least.
Constantly changing managers, coaches, tactics, player's etc. Helps no one.
Brands can and should continue to bring in the players that we all known we need. I'm hoping for more attack minded players for a more attack minded manager.
No rush, but before July would be handy. I'm still waiting for Brands to bring in some top quality Dutch players, he must have identified at least a few that would suit the Premier league.
883 Posted 17/06/2021 at 22:36:55
I saw that earlier, but didn't Nuno allegedly want to bring him from Wolves too?
884 Posted 17/06/2021 at 22:38:09
You've cited repeatedly how dreadful Wolves' goalscoring record supposedly was under Nuno... they scored 47 and 51 in their first two seasons after promotion. Newcastle, on the other hand, scored 39 and 42 in their first two seasons after promotion. Yes, Wolves plummeted to just 36 goals this past season, but I'm failing to see where this excitement for Rafa is supposed to be coming from.
885 Posted 17/06/2021 at 22:46:05
it's worth bearing in mind Nuno had huge assistance with who he could bring in, Ashley wouldn't give Benitez a penny.
886 Posted 17/06/2021 at 22:49:40
887 Posted 17/06/2021 at 22:50:42
888 Posted 17/06/2021 at 23:18:30
889 Posted 17/06/2021 at 23:22:08
890 Posted 17/06/2021 at 23:22:16
891 Posted 17/06/2021 at 23:36:02
I think he will go for a well known name and will be prepared to pay accordingly. His problem as I see it is paying the manager £10m a year wouldnt be an issue but if the manager wants him to spend another £150m on players that would be.
My advice to him would be go for a “youngish” up and coming manager capable getting the best out of the current crop.
My top interview question would be - “if I fund the acquisition of 2 new players what positions would you spend the money on?”. If the answer came back “a right winger with pace and a right back that can cross a ball” I would say “the jobs yours.”
As I have said previously somewhere in the world there is a manager that can put a smile back on our faces. We are not going to be top four any time soon but if we get the right man top six is achievable.
Lastly - it is absolutely imperative that the new manager has the backing of the fan base and the players.
892 Posted 17/06/2021 at 23:43:29
893 Posted 18/06/2021 at 00:08:49
895 Posted 18/06/2021 at 00:38:56
He needs to demonstrate his nous elsewhere before throwing his hat into the ring.
Then again Man U are managed by an ex red with no real managerial record. Then again at least solskjaer actually had a go.
896 Posted 18/06/2021 at 00:58:12
897 Posted 18/06/2021 at 00:59:14
The bedsheet on the right would have sufficed, the one on the left is unnecessary and doesn't do Evertonians justice, and if it's still there in the morning young children will read it and that's not on.
If Moshiri and the club, in general, aren't aware of the negative vibes against Benitez by now they must be residing in an underground bunker.
898 Posted 18/06/2021 at 01:20:42
There are (please, there must be) better than Benitez out there.
I think the left hand bed sheet has it spot on...with the usual tag line for what used to be called 'Industrial Language' of - Pardon my French.
Edit; also, given the Clubs noted parsimonious...on some things...attitude to money, an aversion for paying people to sit in the beach.
I don't expect any news until the last day of June.
When 'xxxxxxxxxx' will be announced as taking up his duties from 1st July.
899 Posted 18/06/2021 at 01:28:02
900 Posted 18/06/2021 at 02:20:23
901 Posted 18/06/2021 at 02:33:00
902 Posted 18/06/2021 at 02:58:56
903 Posted 18/06/2021 at 03:00:22
I've heard a rumour that he was spotted sat in his car outside Finch Farm waiting for a call :-)
904 Posted 18/06/2021 at 03:58:05
Rafa made a crappy comment when managing local rival, Cannot be considered. But John Terry?? Please.
905 Posted 18/06/2021 at 05:42:06
Insider columnist Kieran Maguire, speaking exclusively after Everton announced on 4th June that four players will soon leave the club.Theo Walcott, Muhamed Besic, Yannick Bolasie and Josh King were all named on the Toffees released list.According to the Guardian last Friday, Everton will save approximately £12million annually in wages after getting the quartet off the books.But after Everton posted losses of £139.9m in their last annual financial report, there are still concerns within the club about financial fair play.
Maguire highlighted Evertons wage spend has ballooned disproportionately in recent years when compared to their revenue. He told Football Insider correspondent Adam Williams: “We have seen the model of clubs such as Man United and Brighton of offering new deals to players who are almost out of contract. “Or, they can trigger the option of a one-year extension then sell the player because that then prevents them from leaving on a Bosman.
“But as far as Evertons wages are concerned, if take a look at 2016-2020 [most recent figures], wages went from £84m to £165m. “Thats an increase of £81m during the same period that revenue only increased by £60m. Some of that was on the back of the unusual naming rights deal with Bramley Moore Dock.
“So Everton need to address cost issues. From a financial fair player perspective, its not sustainable.”
906 Posted 18/06/2021 at 07:24:16
907 Posted 18/06/2021 at 07:24:16
908 Posted 18/06/2021 at 07:29:32
I'm afraid that epitomises is what are becoming in the eyes of so many non Evertonian people. We have become such a negative fanbase, and never minding the shit show of a playing squad we have, any incumbent manager is going to see us like that and think "what the .... ?".
Who actually gives a flying fuck if Benitez or anyone else accused of having small cocks or anything else fucking years ago, it's our club and we need to be seen as a group who will get behind whoever is appointed manager. It's not our decision and the board will make a choice based on what they think will work best. We must back that up with our visible support.
I simply cannot align myself with that sort of demonstration and am saddened that we as Evertonians have to stoop to the personal abuse seen on the banners - that is not us really but it is what will be seen and we are tarred with the same brush.
Benitez would not be MY personal choice - but who the fuck am I to know who would be best? - Whoever becomes our manager will get my backing and at least be given a chance. If it's Rafa - and I think there are far worse names in the frame - I'm behind him.
909 Posted 18/06/2021 at 07:40:28
I really wish we wouldn't put banners up with that disgusting language on it. There is absolutely no need and paints a picture of Everton fans that we don't want the world to see on social media.
Need to get something done soon as I'm pretty sure we'd have tied up some transfers if we had a manager in place.
910 Posted 18/06/2021 at 07:50:22
Oh well... let's give it to Unsworth. I'm fed up now and disgusted by some of our so-called fans.
911 Posted 18/06/2021 at 07:50:31
FFS, those banners at Goodison, wont help Evertons cause with any potential candidate.
Sharp smelling salts and a dose of reality as to the Everton status quo in football.
If theres no unity with the board room, then the circus, will role on.
The frustration is festering but theres ways to voice opinion, but the board have got to get a grip, as they are straining the relationship with Everton supporters.
This preseason needs some good to happen for Everton, soon, very soon.
912 Posted 18/06/2021 at 08:05:00
Yes, let's moan and groan... but do it quietly. Let's not unfurl nasty banners in the ground, let's not march in protest, let's not boo or chant naughty words. No, nothing of the sort. We are Evertonians, and we are better than that etc, etc, etc….
In the meantime, the club is being run into the ground, laughed at, humiliated... but we must remember our manners and behave like the good little sheep that so many have become.
Fuck that! I'm all for making those two fat, useless fuckers squirm. Take a leaf out of the Liverpool fans' playbook and grow a fucking pair.
913 Posted 18/06/2021 at 08:14:20
Regardless of your objections, do it with dignity.
914 Posted 18/06/2021 at 08:20:54
Well, all I can say is well done; you have just confirmed it. You're worse than he is. It undermines the fabric of our support and it lacks class.
I'll bow out of this thread because I can see it's pointless and I can see the level we've reached.
915 Posted 18/06/2021 at 08:28:02
It obviously needs something this strong if the owner and the imbecile next to him can't or won't grasp the reality of the supporters' feelings. We shouldn't even be in this situation if we acted professionally (now that's a dirty word in L4...) and had a Plan B, C and D.
916 Posted 18/06/2021 at 08:31:02
Oh, by the way, this 'dignity' as you say, or the 'Everton Way', has everyone walking all over us for years – right from the feeble attempt to object to the Heysel ban, to the here and now.
917 Posted 18/06/2021 at 08:31:26
918 Posted 18/06/2021 at 08:34:17
I'm tired of hearing about being "The People's Club", being "Born, not Manufactured" and all of the other tripe spouted to try and cover the up the fact that we are a joke right now, on and off the pitch.
919 Posted 18/06/2021 at 08:35:00
There are lots of managers available, why do we have to go for the one that hasn't won anything for years?
Hopefully the banner and maybe some social media will alert the board to the lack of support for the potential appointment.
920 Posted 18/06/2021 at 08:39:58
It may be acceptable in your world, Brian, but it's not in mine, and I imagine the vast majority of intelligent Evertonians will be feeling the shame that I feel now.
921 Posted 18/06/2021 at 08:41:35
I'm not against employing an ex red manager – eg, Rodgers would be a fabulous appointment. Benitez? I just don't see it. If he joins, he gets my full support... and hope I'm wrong.
922 Posted 18/06/2021 at 08:42:30
This is torturous.
923 Posted 18/06/2021 at 08:44:25
924 Posted 18/06/2021 at 08:45:39
Probably because we haven't won fuck all ourselves for a quarter of a century?
Why we persist to have these elevated misconceptions of the likes of Conte coming to us is beyond me. A manager like that wouldn't touch us with a barge pole and Ancelotti only came here because he more than likely thought it would be his last job.
Galtier has an agreement with another club and most likely wants to honour that.
Fonseca or Favre would be a risk and could be Christian Gross reincarnated type appointments.
Moyes has signed a contract at West Ham.
Potter would be a risk and the fans wouldn't be patient with that one; Eddie Howe likewise.
Dyche is tied down at Burnley and would cost too much to prize away, and again would the fans be patient?
Duncan Ferguson would be a risk; could the team could play that gusto football every week we had in his game against Chelsea? I doubt it. Maybe he would surprise us, I don't know... but perhaps Duncan doesn't even want that role yet?
925 Posted 18/06/2021 at 08:46:05
I am all for protesting and making your voice heard but that one banner is vile, do you want kids to see that from Everton fans?
926 Posted 18/06/2021 at 08:50:46
End of the day, we are all Blues and some more fierce about it than others. I'm not into point-scoring off other Evertonians. There's only one person largely responsible for this and any banners – bad taste or not – should be directed at him: Kenwright.
927 Posted 18/06/2021 at 08:53:58
I'm sure kids hear and see far worse than that at the match etc. Unless you live in the Little House on The Prairie!
928 Posted 18/06/2021 at 08:54:10
929 Posted 18/06/2021 at 08:58:01
I will knock him once more with the thought of how selfishly smart he was in finding Moshiri after years of looking 24/7 for a buyer who could give the club tons of money but leave him in his his role.
It is clear now that, apart from having lots of money, Moshiri has not got a clue about football. Bill did not do much due diligence and we are now possibly left with somebody equally poor leading our club.
930 Posted 18/06/2021 at 08:58:05
It doesn't matter how fiercely you support your club, that is out of order. If their lack of intelligence or limited grasp of English results in that behaviour, then someone, please, take the paintbrush off them.
Even Neanderthal Newcastle fans are looking down on us, for Heaven's sake.
931 Posted 18/06/2021 at 08:58:17
Yes that's a fair point they do see and hear worse than that at games but you have a choice as an individual when putting a banner up with what language you use?
932 Posted 18/06/2021 at 09:06:02
933 Posted 18/06/2021 at 09:08:18
As for the signs outside Goodison, I did laugh out loud but they are just wrong. I mean, calling him a Kopite cunt is fine, but the fat thing is out of order.
934 Posted 18/06/2021 at 09:08:21
Did you see Kenwright hang those banners? It does actually look like his writing so l will give you that one.
935 Posted 18/06/2021 at 09:10:34
936 Posted 18/06/2021 at 09:13:51
937 Posted 18/06/2021 at 09:23:29
We need someone to come in and bring us all together again... and the players. He also needs to stay for more than 18 months so he can build something. I'm guessing those banners lasted as long as it took for a photo op.
938 Posted 18/06/2021 at 09:25:11
939 Posted 18/06/2021 at 09:28:36
In hindsight Moshiri made a huge mistake binning Martinez straight away instead of backing him with the money he gave Koeman (who didn't even really want to be here).
Martinez first season should have been enough for a bit more patience but we binned him too fast and in the years since we haven't exactly replaced him with a greatly improved manager for Everton Football Club have we?
Carlo WAS a great manager but whether he's a great manager in 2021 is another matter and certainly the fit at Everton was never one that you felt would last.
940 Posted 18/06/2021 at 09:29:54
941 Posted 18/06/2021 at 09:30:24
942 Posted 18/06/2021 at 09:36:24
That is from a Man Utd mate of mine. We are a joke. Manks and every other team taking the piss. Not because of the banners being up but because that's all that's happening. Can you fucking imagine David Moyes being accepted at Anfield? They would have went mental... and we have some fans complaining about a banner.
943 Posted 18/06/2021 at 09:38:23
In many respects, I think we all over estimate Moshiri's ambitions for the club. He's not after 'Hollywood' – he's after 'safe'. He's not after 'success' – he's after continued relevance while he builds a stadium and redevelops the docks.
944 Posted 18/06/2021 at 09:47:07
945 Posted 18/06/2021 at 09:47:58
946 Posted 18/06/2021 at 09:59:47
Should have been much larger.
947 Posted 18/06/2021 at 10:02:30
948 Posted 18/06/2021 at 10:03:12
949 Posted 18/06/2021 at 10:04:48
Has seen us shit on from a great height by our saviour on a regular basis.
Time for the opposite to be shown.
950 Posted 18/06/2021 at 10:06:19
951 Posted 18/06/2021 at 10:17:03
I agree, but sadly it's the presence that were at the home games in the dying embers of the Martinez, Silva, Allardyce and Koeman era which I found disturbing.
The abuse and vitriol directed at those men was frankly embarrassing and disgusting and I walked out of the stadium ashamed at the way our fans had turned on the manager of the club.
Changing managers endlessly will see this club relegated eventually in the way Aston Villa were in 2016, we are following the same path.
952 Posted 18/06/2021 at 10:19:16
953 Posted 18/06/2021 at 10:20:41
What's more, maybe our protesters do have a bit of class after all, at least it was movable graffiti not like those across the park, who just blatantly paint spray everything without any consideration at all. The photo's should have well found their way into the media circus by now, that hopefully should be all it takes to get the message across.
Not so long ago the vandalism on Rupert's Tower, not once but twice, should be a reminder of how real morons act, glad it was nothing, apart from the obvious connection, to do with us. Fair play to the lad's that did protest with the sheets at Goodison, I applaud you, unfortunately we all can't get to the Ground that easily, to show our support against what has to be bad for OUR CLUB!
954 Posted 18/06/2021 at 10:20:56
Surely Moshiri can't go ahead with this appointment. Alan Brazil says he has been told that Brands will leave if Benítez arrives.
Whilst Brands still hasn't convinced me, I wouldn't want to see Benítez or any other new manager given total control. If that happens, I can see us being relegation candidates as the club would be in total meltdown and our players don't need much excuse not to perform.
955 Posted 18/06/2021 at 10:26:31
Bill did an amazing amount of due diligence: he got exactly the man he wanted. Someone that enabled him to keep his trainset and who he could endlessly manipulate.
957 Posted 18/06/2021 at 10:28:26
Del, you can't applaud anyone who drags the name of Everton through the mud with 'protests' like that. You're right, it is all over social media, and doesn't show us in a good light. I'm an Evertonian and have been all my life, but I don't want to be lumped in with idiots who can't see the damage to our club's reputation that such behaviour causes.
You've seen me on the golf course, you know I can swear almost as well as you, (you being an ex Naval Officer you must have the advantage there) ;-), but I wouldn't stand up in the clubhouse in mixed company and shout profanities like that.
958 Posted 18/06/2021 at 10:28:34
959 Posted 18/06/2021 at 10:29:18
960 Posted 18/06/2021 at 10:36:53
However, if Rafa's name was released deliberately to test the wind, as seems to be the case, then there could still be a strong enough reaction to discourage his selection, if you believe Moshiri is for being swayed by such triffles.
The Echo now saying there will be an announcement "early next week"... yea right.
961 Posted 18/06/2021 at 10:42:45
962 Posted 18/06/2021 at 10:49:37
Unless they have a Euro Manager lined up?.
963 Posted 18/06/2021 at 10:55:58
Not sure if he's that courageous though
964 Posted 18/06/2021 at 10:57:03
I dont blame Brands if he jacks it in if another appointment is made that undermines his position.
965 Posted 18/06/2021 at 11:05:51
Were better than that.
Whatever people think of Rafa as a person or manager, why hark on about his weight?
966 Posted 18/06/2021 at 11:06:53
Just joking Ian!
967 Posted 18/06/2021 at 11:10:12
I don't think for one moment, anyone on the Board would read TW, Blue Kipper, NSNO, GOT or any other online fan sites, only lazy journos looking for a story and would filch through the fan's posts and then fill in the rest with fabrication, declaring it to be a scoop!
968 Posted 18/06/2021 at 11:25:36
Have we no pride and self respect or are we stooping to the gutter comments of that disgusting bedsheet notice at Goodison. True blue Everon fans should be outraged that this behavior represents our club.
As I have said in numerous posts before, Benitez is not my choice because he is the most divisive of the choices available but if appointed and started to make progress oh how things would change. Yes I can list all those I dream to have but how many are interested managing an Everton side which our former esteemed manager Carlo could not.
Carlo's football was painful to watch as a matter of fact in all the years watching Everton, this was the most boring. He failed to motivate the team and he finished 10 after bringing in those players he deemed essential to improve the squad. In any performance evaluation it would be a failure.
So what are the reason for not wanting Benitez.
Ex Liverpool manager: We gladly take theirs and Man U surplus.
Small Club comments: We need to grow up build a bridge and walk over it.
Football style: Well if it stops us losing to relegated teams and steadies a ship which is seriously out of control, that would be good enough for me for starters. Our football has been getting worse year on year. Out pace is so slow you any side can counteract it, hence our losses at Goodison. Those looking for attacking football of Martinez have very short memories, once good season built on Moyes tightly organized, low risk team which were encouraged to attack soon led to a shambles of a defence. Lets see how the much vaunted Belgian side with probably some of the best attacking players in the world will do against the best organized sides in the Euros.
And rather than say who I don't want, I will nail my colours to the mast.
I would take the Galtier (if he was interested) because built a team to take on the big spending clubs in France. After that, I say No to sacked or journeyman managers such as Conte or the Mourhino types whose condition is to spend big. We have already seen how negotiations have broken down at Spurs where such managers prerequisite is to spend big.
We need a disciplinarian and an organiser who will steady the ship, doesnt have to be as big name but will start rebuilding a team firstly who are hard to beat (yes defensive and well organised), then identify hungry and dynamic midfielder who looks for the ball and want to distribute it so we can move to next phase and be a bit more expansive. Build a team for the future so that by the time we go to BMD maybe we will have CL football.
From my understanding, Nuno, Potter and even Benitez are that type of Manager.
What Everton football club now needs is stability. I would even consider Duncan and a home grown team as he give us the most exciting football we have seen in past few years but he is a also a major risk as he has no track record and I do not know anything about his organisational skills
We are hypocritical when take the knwee to support BLM while not embracing others who point to the RESPECT logo on their shirts.
Have we lost all pride in EFC. NSNI
969 Posted 18/06/2021 at 11:28:25
I want a front foot high pressing manager. I want a manager to dictate a type of football to get us out of our seat. I want excitement. Benitez wont bring us that. Im definitely in the no camp.
970 Posted 18/06/2021 at 11:35:08
What are we going to do about the "Bitter Blue", problem such as illustrated by the people who put up those posters and the anti-management minority who are becoming ever more loud on this site. They are a major problem.
971 Posted 18/06/2021 at 11:40:56
972 Posted 18/06/2021 at 11:47:34
973 Posted 18/06/2021 at 11:52:38
974 Posted 18/06/2021 at 11:55:30
The story so far:
Bill Knewright led a consortium that took over the club from "Agent" Peter Johnson, thus rescuing us from the hands of a heinous RedShite, and earning the undying love and affection of Happy Clappers throughout the length and breadth of Goodison Park.
When 'Life President' Sir Philip Carter retired from the role in 2004, Kenwright became Chairman of the Board of Directors.
Bill admitted he didn't have the money to take us forward, and set out on a 20-year search for a 'suitable investor'.
'Suitable investor' turned out to mean someone who would cash in almost all of Bill's shares while allowing him to retain his position as Chairman of the Board, and defacto in control of all matters at the Club.
Incredibly, the new investor is still not a member of the Board of Directors after 5 years as the provider of massive funds to take the club forward. Bill Kenwright remains in charge as the Chairman of the Board, which consists of only three other people: Barrett-Baxendale, Ryasantsev and Brands.
That means Bill's power base comes from being the major shareholder with a seat on the Board, despite now holding only a paltry 1.72% of the outstanding shares in Everton Football Club Co Ltd.
I'm just surprised, Bobby, that you are not lauding him as a fucking genius for pulling off the greatest act of smoke and mirrors in his theatrical career. And you really don't want to know how much he personally has garned from the Everton shares he has sold.
975 Posted 18/06/2021 at 12:01:20
It will be as divisive an appointment as Allardyce, whose tenure lasted less than 6 months before it was ended. And a few warm words from him at his unveiling won't change anyone's opinion.
If the board weren't tone-deaf about their own fan base, they wouldn't have even entered into discussions with Benitez. They cannot ignore the sentiment now.
976 Posted 18/06/2021 at 12:02:17
The banners l do not care about at all. 1 or 2 guys put them up, took some pictures and they will now be down. I'm thinking an Italian or Colombian football clubs fans may have gone to stronger lengths than 2 small home made banners. Those banners are a little embarrassing to the name Everton but then again we are used to it now.
977 Posted 18/06/2021 at 12:11:16
Dont expect any appointment at EFC until at least next week, up to 8 candidates have been considered, including Nuno, Benitez, Martinez, Galtier, Howe and Duncan Ferguson, job has not been offered to anyone at this point
978 Posted 18/06/2021 at 12:14:42
I refer you to Ian at #959 above for balance.
979 Posted 18/06/2021 at 12:17:11
When you say considered, does that imply that they have been in discussions with these candidates and that they have expressed and interest in the job or is it a "WISH" list.
980 Posted 18/06/2021 at 12:19:37
That 44% represents only those who read TW and have bothered to enter the survey.
It's not really indicative of the feelings of the general match going supporters.
Surveys such as those mean very little in the grand scheme of things.
981 Posted 18/06/2021 at 12:21:29
If he wrote a show in one of his plays how he has kidded the bollocks off Moshiri, it would be put down as too far-fetched.
982 Posted 18/06/2021 at 12:23:39
983 Posted 18/06/2021 at 12:26:08
As I said I am not one of the 44% but many of us wouldnt say “no” to the appointment according to this poll.
984 Posted 18/06/2021 at 12:26:21
I wish I knew that, but that's just the tweet that Alan Myers put out a short while ago. I imagine that the list has been whittled down to a shorter one, but who the others are, is anyone's guess. I'd take it that Nuno and Benitez are the top choices with a couple of others. It's interesting that Duncan is actually being considered according to Mr Myers.
Bookies must be loving this managerial hunt by Everton and Spurs.
985 Posted 18/06/2021 at 12:26:40
I haven't got a clue who I'd rather have, but it's pretty obvious that Rafa will cause a split in the fan base, and I agree with you about the vulgar offensive message.
986 Posted 18/06/2021 at 12:31:09
Del, its not placing a banner that I have a problem with, its just the choice of language. You could have made the same impact without that.
The reputation of MY club is being trashed on social media and it just provides the RS, Barcodes etc with ammunition. Its tough enough being a Blue right now without having to deflect the crap from those beauts.
And Michael, if by finding that behaviour unnecessary puts me in the “ offended” category, then fine. We clearly have different standards.
987 Posted 18/06/2021 at 12:32:00
So you'd hire him because somebody put up one offensive banners and another one that wasn't offensive, just to show them?
Do you realise how silly that makes you look?
988 Posted 18/06/2021 at 12:39:53
989 Posted 18/06/2021 at 12:52:24
I wouldn't use that language infront of my family but, in the heat of supporting the Blues, I have probably shouted worse over the last 43 years as a season ticket holder, especially during the late 80s and early 90s when I was a lot younger.
The fan base deserve better than a lazy appointment of a guy that hasn't won anything for years. The game has moved on.
Let's see if anyone puts supportive banners out calling for Rafa!
990 Posted 18/06/2021 at 12:57:36
Seems like a shambles?!
991 Posted 18/06/2021 at 13:03:10
Now, THAT is offensive!
992 Posted 18/06/2021 at 13:04:54
I can't believe that Rafa will be appointed after all this fuss. I wouldn't be surprised to see Duncan get it with an experienced coach like Carsley as his number two.
There again... what do I know!
993 Posted 18/06/2021 at 13:05:56
Christ knows what we look like from the outside looking in.
994 Posted 18/06/2021 at 13:07:29
I agree there was probably too much 'back of the toilet door on a Grimsby fishing boat' language on one of the banners but hopefully it got the message across!
Oh, just heard that Benitez has been spotted going into Slimming World! :-)
995 Posted 18/06/2021 at 13:11:04
996 Posted 18/06/2021 at 13:13:03
When you look at the comments on this and other threads, I don't think there is any of the managers being considered according to Barry #977 who would not be considered divisive.
I will give you my perspective:
Divisiveness (D) vs Riskiness (R) (1 being the most Divisive or Risky)
Nuno: D3 R5 (Good start but poor last season)
Benitez: D1 R6 (Experienced, successful, as per Carlo)
Martinez: D2 R3 (No going back see HK 2&3)
Galtier: D6 R4 (No experience in the Premier League)
Howe: D5 R2 (No success, same as Silva and Martinez)
Duncan: D 4 R1 (No experience as senior manager)
People forget that the most important criteria for us now is:
1. Steady the ship and have a stable management structure
2. Manager with experience, very good organisation skills who has the ability to motivate a team to always perform to the best of their ability.
3. Build a team rather than buy a team.
I'll let TW decide who they would choose from the list based on those criteria.
997 Posted 18/06/2021 at 13:18:41
Is there anybody out there?
998 Posted 18/06/2021 at 13:23:18
So what if he hasn't done anything in years? At least he's won something! And according to reports, he actually wants the job. If memory serves me right, Carlo wanted to go to Arsenal but they ultimately chose Arteta. And he clearly didn't want to be here with his move to Spain.
I think the banners are totally over the top, especially the language used. I mean children and kids will be seeing this. One of them is fine, voiced your opinion, but the second is just a disgrace and an embarrassment to the club. Abuse and insults are totally uncalled for and unacceptable.
999 Posted 18/06/2021 at 13:23:34
1000 Posted 18/06/2021 at 13:26:02
And vice versa.
1001 Posted 18/06/2021 at 13:35:19
1002 Posted 18/06/2021 at 13:37:06
1003 Posted 18/06/2021 at 13:39:59
Apparently not. Potter has been mentioned (same marks as Nuno); Lampard is out of work but is he interested, is also divisive and risky.
Others, IMO, would be risky because they are journeymen; if they really believed they were good enough to do the job and see potential, they would be knocking on the door without demanding a huge transfer kitty.
Kim, My thinking too.
Rob. It should be obvious that it is the other bedsheet and the offensive, racist and disrespectful descriptions on this thread. Surely we are better than that.
1004 Posted 18/06/2021 at 13:44:14
1005 Posted 18/06/2021 at 13:46:51
If that's your criteria, why not appoint Swen, Capello, Gullit, Wenger, SAF, Zola, D'Matteo or Klinsmann?
Would people want Claudio Ranieri? After all, he won the league 5 years ago.
Regardless of his Liverpool background, he is past his best.
Appointing a younger guy that has something to prove surely has to be the way forward. Rather than a journeyman looking for a pension top-up.
1006 Posted 18/06/2021 at 13:51:51
1007 Posted 18/06/2021 at 13:51:53
1008 Posted 18/06/2021 at 13:55:21
I don't mind the long wait as hopefully it means Brands is being allowed to do a proper recruitment job.
Neil @ 978, any Everton manager who starts his job with only 44% of fans backing him is a dead man walking from the start.
1009 Posted 18/06/2021 at 14:03:08
1010 Posted 18/06/2021 at 14:03:10
I remember that too when I was young. Smiley.
Still doesn't take away from the fact that such comments and behavior should not be part of the Everton "People's Club" ethos.
1011 Posted 18/06/2021 at 14:03:22
Which made Ian Edwards #856 post even more astonishing to me given everything he's said about Carlo from wanting him sacked after every defeat to calling him a dinosaur.
By the way, the longer this goes on my money is on the appointment of Martinez happening. Lets hope he's not as stubborn and started practicing set pieces.
1012 Posted 18/06/2021 at 14:07:39
Some of us are living and working with supporters of our neighbours and despite some assumptions, many of them are decent human beings who have families and a sense of decency.
Those banners (of which there was more than one expletive-ridden, outside Goodison) are inappropriate, and add nothing to the message they are trying to convey. I know that I can't defend or justify them to my Liverpool supporting colleagues and friends; perhaps you and others can.
1013 Posted 18/06/2021 at 14:09:32
The problem here is the Mosh has all the dosh and dictates what or who he wants and if he doesn't get it, throws his toys out the pram.
Our recent track record in appointing Managers (apart from Carlo who amazed me in taking the job at Everton in the first place) is beyond woeful.
I'd give Dunc the job or go for Graham Potter. Obviously there is no chance
now in bringing back Moyes but I wonder what he could have done bearing in mind the money available from Mosh. Moyes did alright given bugger all budget to play with.
This is now a serious problem given that I can no longer play golf as I am constantly ridiculed for being an Evertonian.
1014 Posted 18/06/2021 at 14:10:42
History over the years has shown lfc fans to be sensitive souls, I can understand your concern for thier wellbeing.
1015 Posted 18/06/2021 at 14:11:51
Its really a catch 22 situation, isnt it. I reckon the majority of blues fans dont want Benitez, but are not prepared to do anything about it. The minute some banners appear as a protest, people are up in arms. And if we do absolutely nothing about it, it just looks like weve accepted it. Whether the banner is offensive or not, hopefully it will get the message across to whoever it is who wants Benitez, and force a re-think. There must be other candidates being considered if Benitez has still not been appointed, because it was all done and dusted on Wednesday according to some media outlets.
1016 Posted 18/06/2021 at 14:13:59
Based on the comments on this thread, that means all the names mentioned to date fall into that category.
The last time we had a strong agreement on a managerial appointment was Carlo and we all know what happened there.
Im out of here to enjoy the sun and wait with bated breath on who will be our new manager. I wish him luck whoever he is as he will need it.
Just for confirmation, Benitez is nowhere near my preferred option but he does not deserve the abuse he is getting here. As I have stated before we have been burned so often by journeymen such as those mentioned by Rob #1005 and I belive we should take some risk on someone committed to taking on the project.
1017 Posted 18/06/2021 at 14:14:30
I'm sure we have all heard much worse at the match, in the workplace, and in school. I do think it was regrettable that they called him fat as that is probably down to genetics. I suggest for those of a delicate disposition, you listen to Derek's and Clive's lampooning of people's hypocrisy over bad language. Just search for it on You Tube and include the expletive used on the banner – it's just a word!
1018 Posted 18/06/2021 at 14:21:52
Perhaps Michael or Lyndon can set the boundaries?
1019 Posted 18/06/2021 at 14:23:41
I had the original D&C cassettes – that's how long ago it was.
Some of the funniest stuff I've heard!
1020 Posted 18/06/2021 at 14:23:46
1021 Posted 18/06/2021 at 14:27:06
1022 Posted 18/06/2021 at 14:29:41
It might be from the 60s but its still some of the funniest and original comedy Ive ever heard. Most of their best clips are on you tube
1023 Posted 18/06/2021 at 14:30:13
1024 Posted 18/06/2021 at 14:33:40
That is fair point you make so I suggest we no longer chant that
Kopites are Gobshites to Kopites are not nice because after all the sentiment is the same
1025 Posted 18/06/2021 at 14:51:19
1026 Posted 18/06/2021 at 14:51:39
'Feigning outrage at the use of an Anglo Saxon expletive=. '
So, you use that expression to your wife do you? I'll bet you do...
It's not 'outrage', Ed, and nothings being 'feigned', it's just that there's a time and a place for it and a banner that's now gone 'viral' does nothing but harm the clubs reputation, and if you, and others, can't see that then you must be blind.
I've never seen such garbage as people on here trying to justify one of those banners. I'd swim through snot to avoid having Benitez here as manager and any number of banners is okay with me, but let's not stoop to the gutter. Let the other shower do that.
1027 Posted 18/06/2021 at 14:54:09
I'm not sure why the poll you refer to is the more relevant one where all the candidates are listed. The votes were spread around 10 names so nobody would do well under those circumstances.
I think 44% in favour before he is appointed is pretty respectable given his background. If he were to be appointed, I am sure that figure would jump to over half with people wanting to just get behind the new man.
1028 Posted 18/06/2021 at 14:56:21
I dont want Rafa, not good enough and too divisive. I dont have a problem with banners but do have a problem with the one with the offensive stereotypes.
I still dream of Galtier or Conte but think Nuno is the most realistic and stable bet.
Dreaming again, I agree with Jim Bennings #939 and others-bring back Martinez!
1029 Posted 18/06/2021 at 14:57:33
1030 Posted 18/06/2021 at 14:57:47
Nobody's 'feigning outrage'; it was a vile act. Benitez obviously loves Liverpool the city and his family have stayed here for the last 20 years. What's he ever done to deserve the absolute worst word in the English language? He called Everton a 'small club'? How pathetic.
1031 Posted 18/06/2021 at 14:58:47
If it's true (and I don't accept for one minute that it is) that 44% of our fan base want Benitez as our new manager then I think the Spaniard's comments about us being a small club are totally vindicated.
Even taking out his connections, the mind boggles as to why any club with half-decent aspirations would want a manager who has done nothing of significance in the past 10 years. This would be the very essence of a 'small club' mentality.
Now to deal with the connections and his previous with our club. I can't get my head around why any Evertonian would logically be in favour of his appointment. Even if personally you thought he was still a decent manager, I don't know how anyone can come to that conclusion based on recent evidence. The potential to disenfranchise the fanbase, split the board, and make the Club an even bigger laughing stock for what could in reality never be a successful marriage would just be complete insanity to me to even comprehend his stewardship of our great football club.
We would deserve everything we get for appointing Benitez.
1033 Posted 18/06/2021 at 15:02:31
1034 Posted 18/06/2021 at 15:06:22
"It just makes us look like fucking twats imo."
I took offence to that industrial language. Makes us look like twats, tbh.
1035 Posted 18/06/2021 at 15:06:24
You know how sensitive some people are.
1036 Posted 18/06/2021 at 15:11:27
I am not sure what the average attendance is at Goodison Park, but let's just say 32,000, would it make more of an impact if a petition could be raised to show the amount of people who would sign it for either a Yes or No for signing Benitez?
I am not for him – not because of his comments or his association with Liverpool, but because I don't like his style of play, and disruption with his previous owners and boards that shows arrogance.
1037 Posted 18/06/2021 at 15:12:10
1038 Posted 18/06/2021 at 15:14:14
1040 Posted 18/06/2021 at 15:14:41
As I was compiling that, I almost added the standard line:
"You couldn't make it up"!
1041 Posted 18/06/2021 at 15:20:49
1042 Posted 18/06/2021 at 15:22:03
Nothing new, other than tittle tattle from the media and a rumpus over a couple of bed sheets!
Ultimately, folks, it's just all about money. Everton's owners won't spend the required amount to achieve success, because that's not what they really want!
Success demands more investment in transfers to keep you up there, and for at least 30 years, Everton always sell their best assets. They are only interested in mid-table.
I truly believed, once Kenwright had been bought off, that we would be run on a professional, ruthless, winning basis with the sentimentality of yesteryear extinguished. It seems nothing has really changed: jobs for the boys, paid well if you remain a yes-man, toe the party line, say the right things, and, worst of all, sticking two fingers up to decent people who will always stick by and support Everton.
My lad gets so much abuse at school for being an Evertonian, it is unreal. The lads doing it are all full of shit, just like their dads, who follow the teams who look best on their telly. My lad has been to Goodison dozens of times and seen all the garbage of recent years, but has seen Martinez's first season, 15 home games in fact I took him to (I did the derby on my own) and that is as good as it's been for him. He still harks back to it now and he is only 13. A 300-mile round trip and he loves it.
If only the owners truly appreciated what an effect this old club has on people. Everton need a young fella in charge who will crush the regime and hand out lots of straighteners. The trainset mentality will never allow it though.
1043 Posted 18/06/2021 at 15:25:51
1044 Posted 18/06/2021 at 15:27:11
Duncan Ferguson should have thought more carefully before he used that type of language.
1045 Posted 18/06/2021 at 15:27:36
1046 Posted 18/06/2021 at 15:28:44
1047 Posted 18/06/2021 at 15:33:30
I am not concerned with offending grown adults who support Liverpool. As Ed says, it's a word, and I think like any word it's the venom behind it that is more meaningful than the word itself.
But, like I say, thinking of young kids, and parents, grandparents with young kids, I think it was something that could have been spelt out much more politely and amusingly with a bit of thought.
1048 Posted 18/06/2021 at 15:36:23
1049 Posted 18/06/2021 at 15:39:31
Although the really poor article seems to just accumulate scraps of the click-bait tittle-tattle from the last 17 days, so it probably means nothing.
1050 Posted 18/06/2021 at 15:41:19
If it had been Duncan...Beneathus himself would have been hanging on the gates!
1051 Posted 18/06/2021 at 15:42:20
1052 Posted 18/06/2021 at 15:43:18
I must have missed that. I check the Daily Star to read high quality stories like "Lonely nun starts fans only page" or "wiki leaks confirms Price Charles is a Martian."
1053 Posted 18/06/2021 at 15:44:19
Now that calls for a banner.
1054 Posted 18/06/2021 at 15:45:08
1055 Posted 18/06/2021 at 15:47:56
1056 Posted 18/06/2021 at 15:53:17
1057 Posted 18/06/2021 at 15:59:32
I'll save me bed sheets for... y'know - sleeping.
Thomas - or is he simply a twat? (in their opinion)
1058 Posted 18/06/2021 at 16:02:21
Just sounds like a list to me.
1059 Posted 18/06/2021 at 16:04:08
1060 Posted 18/06/2021 at 16:06:05
1061 Posted 18/06/2021 at 16:06:44
1062 Posted 18/06/2021 at 16:26:57
1063 Posted 18/06/2021 at 16:40:48
1064 Posted 18/06/2021 at 16:49:33
1065 Posted 18/06/2021 at 16:57:14
1066 Posted 18/06/2021 at 17:11:00
I actually agree with you. Gatusso is the latest link, I query that one but Mike Gaynes likes him. But, my worries were based on his football, apparently his Tottenham deal is falling through because of his offensive behavior/remarks. There seem to be a lot of questionable candidates but no one great. So we could pay one of these jokers a lot of money and hope for the best, or just give it to Dunc and let that scenario play out as it may. If it doesn't work out, it will have been a less expensive gamble than the other dodgy options
1067 Posted 18/06/2021 at 17:15:28
I would like a fellow blue, who has a spare sheet to do me a favor and go and hang one up with this message.
Dear Rafa. On behalf of all decent Evertonians, I would like to offer a profound apology to you for any derogatory comments made about you. Apologies also for us taking offense to your “ small club” comment about Everton because you were 100% correct.
Due to our club being run by clowns for the past 20 years or so we deserved your comments and those made by many others.
Welcome to the circus and good luck !
Sorry but it may need a big king size sheet for that message and neatly done in calligraphy.
1068 Posted 18/06/2021 at 17:15:40
1069 Posted 18/06/2021 at 17:29:04
1070 Posted 18/06/2021 at 17:58:38
Classic TW there man. Credit to Ray.
1071 Posted 18/06/2021 at 18:07:14
1072 Posted 18/06/2021 at 18:08:55
1073 Posted 18/06/2021 at 18:14:26
1074 Posted 18/06/2021 at 18:19:09
However the latest Pantomime with at least TEN villains has taken "Supporting Everton" to a whole new level of Absurdity. As much as it pains me to be involved in this Farce I just have to put my angst aside and just "LAUGH LAUGH and LAUGH again. There are over a thousand posts and nobody is right about ANYTHING including ME.
John Cleese and his Pythons could not have written a better script. Sorry to all those who are offended by my complete lack of seriousness but this is my only resort to maintain my delicate sanity. I think w should all relax and ask either Parliament or the Queen to give us some guidance. If we were designated as the club to make everybody smile and then laugh uncontrolably then we are keeping the whole World happy. Well Done Everton.
1075 Posted 18/06/2021 at 18:30:38
'a whining 'supporter' of L*verpool FC, normally from Essex. Also known as an A to Z since that is what they need to find their way to A**ield.'
Taken from the Oxford Dictionary.
Or was it the Urban Dictionary.,
1076 Posted 18/06/2021 at 18:37:33
That would cause a lot of these no mark journos no end of embarassment.
1077 Posted 18/06/2021 at 18:58:24
1078 Posted 18/06/2021 at 19:00:19
1079 Posted 18/06/2021 at 19:01:57
1080 Posted 18/06/2021 at 19:06:48
Duncan is already a stakeholder and he wouldn't be doing it for his pension, only for his future and his credibility. How could we be criticised for appointing him too.? I believe he is very popular with the players.
1081 Posted 18/06/2021 at 19:13:36
1082 Posted 18/06/2021 at 19:17:29
1083 Posted 18/06/2021 at 19:18:32
1084 Posted 18/06/2021 at 19:22:26
Seriously what the hell has he done in the last 10 years to be offered a job at any premier league club let alone Everton. I mean even Palace arent interested and neither are Spurs I wonder why. There was someone saying he lives locally how the hell does that even begin to be part of the equation.
Some reports yes all supposition we know are suggesting that Nuno has been verbally offered the job, but the report suggested he wasnt keen on having Duncan foisted on him. Surely we cant be telling potential new managers they have to have a man we don't consider good enough for the job, as his assistant. Mind Benitez will accept any proposal as long as he gets the job. Then no doubt he would bring in Robbie Fowler or Jamie Carragher as his assistants as well.
1085 Posted 18/06/2021 at 19:27:02
Well said. And very cool twitter interview!
Now the personal stuff -
Love the hair. Never, ever cut it. You've got some weird, positive juju going on. You seem an entirely likable human being. Charasmatic.
Nice to meet you via the internet.
1086 Posted 18/06/2021 at 19:28:51
Spot on about the banners, it will be no use putting banners up or having demonstrations after he has signed the contract. Our neighbours seem to be far better at getting their point across than we do. We tend to moan and stamp our feet and a bit of tutting, were they actually make people sit up and listen by the actions they take. Maybe Moshiri thinks this is just a handful of bitter Blues put these banners up and most would be happy with Benitez.
1087 Posted 18/06/2021 at 19:33:00
1088 Posted 18/06/2021 at 19:37:08
1089 Posted 18/06/2021 at 19:37:58
1090 Posted 18/06/2021 at 19:41:37
If the board is split, then why not give Ferguson a yearly rolling contract, at least then we can see how it pans out and also buys us time, instead of making a wrong Manager choice.
1091 Posted 18/06/2021 at 19:42:22
Losing Ancelotti to RM was out of left field, but distasteful and demeaning to the club, it's fans and it's players but what has followed since has topped that by a long way.
One can understand that the unpleasant surprise has left the club in shock, but the lack of communication with the fans is every bit as demeaning to fans as in the worst days of Kirkby fiasco. Not a word from the club as speculation is rife, as time drags on, as offensive banners are defacing the ground based purely on speculation that has been allowed to run riot baseless or not. The common denominator for the media blackout is the chairman and his utter lack of faith or respect for the supporters of this great club.
Whilst I fully understand the need for commercial sensitivity, there is a way of doing things that is inclusive or exclusive and time and time again the board of Everton FC choose the latter. As time drags on, any sensitivity is lost, replaced with confusion, more speculation and then anger. Mushrooms not fans. I don't condone the banners but they are a result of poor communication and disregard by the board. The longer it goes on the more embarrassing worldwide it is. All it takes is a simple statement from the club to keep the faith, we deserve better. We are not getting it. I hung my head in shame at the banners, but in anger at the club for letting it get to this.
In the end there will be a new manager, but whoever it is, their job is getting harder by the day as indecision and silence make good bedfellows for derision.
Utter silence from the club on players too, more speculation on James and Allan futures, too be expected certainly, but silence in its response.
From the moment the door slammed in their faces as Ancelotti departed there has been a blanket embargo on anyone talking on social media or press on anything other than BMD.
Silence in the first days is not a bad strategy, silence as time goes on is a total lack of leadership. It's continuation is damaging our battered brand even further. It smacks of Kenwright, of past AGMs of days I thought had gone.
1092 Posted 18/06/2021 at 19:48:08
Great post Christine.
1093 Posted 18/06/2021 at 19:53:17
A perfect summarisation.
1094 Posted 18/06/2021 at 19:53:53
1095 Posted 18/06/2021 at 20:01:21
1096 Posted 18/06/2021 at 20:04:56
1097 Posted 18/06/2021 at 20:05:50
1098 Posted 18/06/2021 at 20:25:40
1099 Posted 18/06/2021 at 20:25:40
Get the sheets off the bed and the slogans painted quick!
1100 Posted 18/06/2021 at 20:31:41
Sometimes, even a frustrating silence is golden.
1101 Posted 18/06/2021 at 20:44:26
1102 Posted 18/06/2021 at 20:48:15
1103 Posted 18/06/2021 at 21:00:56
1104 Posted 18/06/2021 at 21:06:57
1105 Posted 18/06/2021 at 21:07:24
1106 Posted 18/06/2021 at 21:51:16
There are times I wonder whether Ferguson knows what truly happened to "the Arteta money" and therefore has the chairman by the balls.
And others say Benitez living in a mansion in Caldy is great news for us. WHY? So he can get on the USMFF merry-go-round where "moderate" is good enough? Please, NO!
In all of this I just wonder whether Brands has now taken time out to realise he too needs not bother to do much to keep coining it in whilst mediocrity presses on above, below and all around him. I wouldn't blame him if he did.
1107 Posted 18/06/2021 at 21:58:01
I'll get back in my man-shed! :-)
1108 Posted 18/06/2021 at 22:12:07
1109 Posted 18/06/2021 at 22:21:53
The Rafa rant. Fact.
The small club comment.
He was Rafa Beneath Us with much higher salary expenditure.
Please no. Not him. Anyone but him.
1110 Posted 18/06/2021 at 22:24:49
1111 Posted 18/06/2021 at 22:43:39
1112 Posted 18/06/2021 at 22:55:12
I'd like to state, for the record, I prefer Roberto over Rafa.
1113 Posted 18/06/2021 at 22:58:54
1114 Posted 18/06/2021 at 22:59:09
It's going to be one man up against thousands on these pages.
I'm up for it. Bring it.
1115 Posted 18/06/2021 at 23:11:08
1116 Posted 18/06/2021 at 23:13:00
I can see how someone could make a case for him but "thrilled"...not the worst choice is the best I could offer.
1117 Posted 18/06/2021 at 23:28:23
Wouldn't say thrilled, but I'd be looking forward to the ride.
1118 Posted 18/06/2021 at 23:38:49
1119 Posted 18/06/2021 at 23:55:13
1120 Posted 19/06/2021 at 00:15:13
1121 Posted 18/06/2021 at 00:21:52
1122 Posted 19/06/2021 at 04:24:45
1123 Posted 19/06/2021 at 06:23:17
You're exactly who I pictured. I swear, I could have picked you out of the entire Park End with a full crowd.
1124 Posted 19/06/2021 at 07:28:22
His signings in the first summer were excellent, to the extent that you could almost excuse him bringing such dross from Wigan in Robles, Alcaraz and Kone. But then followed McGeady, Besic, Cleverly, Lennon and Niasse. No, he really lost the plot.
1125 Posted 19/06/2021 at 07:28:59
1126 Posted 19/06/2021 at 07:34:05
Dont be surprised if some yet unmentioned guy comes out left field at the last minute
I've just lumped £10 on Worzel Gummage.
Thanks for the tip!
1127 Posted 19/06/2021 at 07:34:24
So, I would better describe it as having to choose between Matt Hancock and Dominic Cummings.
1128 Posted 19/06/2021 at 07:35:01
The signings you speak of were under a different regime. Imagine Roberto with a kitty? He'd probably sign 1 stud, and like 5 up and coming, Marcel Brands Ajax prospect types.
I'm fine with that.
Colin Glassar -
It's 2:34 a.m. here. You obviously just woke for the day. I'm going to bed.
The internet is brilliant. Good night!
1129 Posted 19/06/2021 at 07:42:17
Really enjoyed your interview and you articulated what all Everton fans are thinking very well.
1130 Posted 19/06/2021 at 07:43:29
Obviously it won't get to that. Will it??
1131 Posted 19/06/2021 at 07:53:58
But I believe in second chances. Martinez admits he wasnt ready for a club like Everton with the pressure and demands (from the fans, not from the board, apparently) but hes moved on, evolved and learnt his lessons. Some would say the same about Moyes since his disastrous spell since leaving Everton. Hes now become a coveted (by Bill) manager.
Im not saying I want Martinez back. I think it would be a huge risk (unless he brings Henry or Vinnie Kompany with him) but between him and Benitez I think Id go with Roberto.
1132 Posted 19/06/2021 at 08:04:01
But, that's a really balanced framing of a case for it given the alleged choices available and those potentially interested.
I like the Viera & Kompany suggestion. Another thing is the links to the Belgium squad and very good system of producing good players in recent years.
Also, all have North West links and two inparticular have lived in the area a long time and pretty much have roots.
That's got me thinking about something I hadn't even considered, although I think we're now all becoming guilty of Michael's Daily Star "8 candidates"!!
1133 Posted 19/06/2021 at 08:51:56
1134 Posted 19/06/2021 at 09:07:39
Does anyone know why Lampard was never touted as a suitable candidate? Not suggesting he is the right man ( although we would now all love him if he sneaked in ahead of the miserable man in black) but he has many of the required credentials and he is not Spanish or Portuguese.
1135 Posted 19/06/2021 at 09:25:33
Edit; Moshiri, Brands...and I don't believe it's Kenwright, he might be, not might, IS, many things, but even he's not that daft - anyway, whoever, wtf are you thinking...if you want average, there are better average candidates. Dame Edna for one
1136 Posted 19/06/2021 at 09:37:09
Im up for a new challenge, especially if it includes a rent free pad in Mayfair, a chauffeur driven Lamborghini and unlimited broadband and text messages.
1137 Posted 19/06/2021 at 09:59:11
1138 Posted 19/06/2021 at 10:45:02
Give Dunc and Cahill the job temporarily. It will be a hell of a lot cheaper and players will have to play or else
1139 Posted 19/06/2021 at 11:04:14
1140 Posted 19/06/2021 at 11:06:44
1141 Posted 19/06/2021 at 11:16:05
1142 Posted 19/06/2021 at 11:17:22
I think the press have got as much idea as the fans as to who is going where, but I would imagine Spurs, Everton and Palace will all have managers in place by this time next week. I think Everton and Spurs are like mirror images who both have to go back a long time since they challenged for the title, a lot longer in Spurs case. I couldnt believe they sacked Pochettino at long last they had a manager who got them to the final of the champions league and they sacked him, very strange. Just like Spurs we are also embarking on building a new stadium, whether that will change our fortunes as many fans believe I just don't see it. Arsenal since moving to their new ground have done nothing, and Spurs are struggling in their new stadium. But as bad as they have been even Daniel Levy wasn't stupid enough to approach Benitez, he or Joe Lewis realized his achievement's have long since dissolved, although I was delighted when Ancelotti signed maybe managers like players have shelf lives, just as Spurs regressed under Mourhino, so surely there is a lesson for our board look at recent history not what a manager did decades ago.
1143 Posted 19/06/2021 at 11:19:39
1144 Posted 19/06/2021 at 11:28:11
1145 Posted 19/06/2021 at 11:32:17
It is quite obvious that Usmanov is the real owner, Moshiri was put in control as at the time Usmanov was still hopeful of persuading Kronke to sell Arsenal to him. Usmanov has said that he will always be an Arsenal fan, but seeing the opportunity to own Arsenal has gone he has pumped his money into Everton. I think he sees the building of the new stadium a way of making money which I think is his and Moshiris main reason for getting involved with Everton. When it was rumoured that Ancelotti had a meeting with Usmanov before signing that told you all you needed to know about who really held the power at Everton. Some may ask well why seeing he cant get Arsenal doesnt he buy Everton, simple as a sponsor he can put money into the club far easier with less questions than if he tried to pump the money in as the owner.
1146 Posted 19/06/2021 at 11:36:02
If you don't want Rafa then don't lower your sighs in desperation, you settle for the former Lille manager or the current River Plate manager or indeed you take Nuno.
If you want to choose a former manager please pick one that has actually won something and bring back big Joe with Duncan to take over in 12/24 months.
1147 Posted 19/06/2021 at 12:06:45
Jamie seriously, well have good drink together when you eventually get over here, Im buying, and thats never been heard before!!
1148 Posted 19/06/2021 at 12:17:20
Roberto has kept Belgium at the top of the world rankings for three consecutive years now. No mean feat when you compare plucky little Belgium to powerhouses like Brazil, Germany, Spain Italy and now, Scotland. He has also overhauled the entire game, from youth to professional level, in Belgium. Overseen the building of their national training centre in Tabize(?). Introduced the most sophisticated tracking system in world football to follow and analyse every player in the country etc..
Hes considered to be a football genius in Belgium, and by many of his peers, and will one day manage Barca and/or the Spanish National team.
Dont write him off just yet. Theres plenty of Roberto Martinez to come.
1149 Posted 19/06/2021 at 12:38:06
I thought that in the end Martinez was the worst manager I'd ever seen at Everton with a team that couldn't even play Zombie football. What has changed? Being a successful manager of the best International team in the World? Whoever takes over at Everton has a seriously hard job to do. Duncan for me and judge only by results, he has no baggage like TFW and Robbie Brown shoes.
Benitez on the orders of the real owner? We are in desperate trouble if that is so.
1150 Posted 19/06/2021 at 12:39:33
It was fans protests that precipitated his departure.
1151 Posted 19/06/2021 at 12:53:31
1152 Posted 19/06/2021 at 12:59:49
1153 Posted 19/06/2021 at 13:32:23
When he left us in 2016 he was appointed, surprisingly, within a few months as Belgium manager he has led them to number one in the world and to 3rd place at the last world cup. He is now 6 years older and that much more experienced. He is now a recognised international coach and would have more chance of attracting the type of player that we need to start developing some sort of long term plan, something that being manager of Swansea and Wigan precluded him from doing.
He is not adverse to promoting youth and although I believe that he is still committed to the type of possession football that drove us all mad last time round, with the right personnel he might not be the worst choice in the world right now.
I can hear some people saying that a monkey could have achieved what he has achieved with Belgium in view of the quality he has available, but he has still achieved it and there are plenty of international managers who have taken a group of talented individuals and not been able to meld them into a team.
Or am I just thinking anyone is better than Beneathus.
1154 Posted 19/06/2021 at 13:51:51
Martinez could do a good job on the coaching side, provided Brands has someone else overseeing player fitness and has appointed a defensive specialist. Martinez was clearly not up to it by himself with his own hand picked team.
Overall though, Benitez is the stronger candidate in my view. Benitez has had success with average enough teams in the past, including his recent stint at Newcastle; Winning a championship and 2 mid table finishes in the Premier league has to be deemed a success for a manager of Newcastle. But, aside from that he has 8 or so major trophy wins under his belt.
If I was Moshiri, I couldn't take a risk on Martinez, who could relegate you as soon as qualify for the champions league.
It still has to be NES, or Benitez for me. NES has proven that he can do well with an unfancied side, in winning the championship and 2 seventh place top flight finishes, and has been good at attracting quality players at not extortionate rates. He won't (or shouldn't) be allowed to bring in a massive back room team with him, however.
1155 Posted 19/06/2021 at 13:59:53
1156 Posted 19/06/2021 at 14:07:13
It was a sad day when Bobby got fired. He did actually try and cared for EFC.
Elite sport is a mental game and he must have a tough skin as well as the ability to get the best out of his players, so do I think he is a good manager. Yes.
Would he come back? Stranger things have happened - Ancelotti went back to Madrid after being fired by the same president who has rehired him. But I doubt it.
1157 Posted 19/06/2021 at 14:19:31
1158 Posted 19/06/2021 at 14:32:01
1159 Posted 19/06/2021 at 14:41:45
You have to read about two thirds of the way down to get to the bit where Usmanov talks about us. But all interesting none the less.
1160 Posted 19/06/2021 at 14:42:17
1161 Posted 19/06/2021 at 14:54:54
1162 Posted 19/06/2021 at 14:54:56
1163 Posted 19/06/2021 at 15:00:54
Seems to like his lunch time Vodka. Maybe that's where I've gone wrong. He's worth (or was then) $16.5 billion. I'm not.
Drink more Vodka.
1164 Posted 19/06/2021 at 15:05:34
Love him or hate him, Roberto always respected us unlike Ronald, Sam and Ancellotti.
1165 Posted 19/06/2021 at 15:08:10
1166 Posted 19/06/2021 at 15:11:18
Julius Caesar loved Rome but he still had to get knifed
1167 Posted 19/06/2021 at 15:13:30
Roberto had a dream, to build a football team,
But he had no money so he took the players on loan.
1168 Posted 19/06/2021 at 15:33:38
My trip over will not occur without an Abrahams FAMILY round of drinks.
Have to meet the boy Tony, too!
1169 Posted 19/06/2021 at 16:22:32
1170 Posted 19/06/2021 at 16:39:12
I get the rivalry and the intensity of derby games, but if Sane came out and said he wants to move to Everton, I'd pay for his taxi.
I've said before now, Everton can be guilty of being too sentimental and need to change their mindset. The fact a former Liverpool manager is being considered tells me they are thinking with their heads, not their hearts.
1171 Posted 19/06/2021 at 16:39:44
1172 Posted 19/06/2021 at 16:39:54
Few of the other Managers since were quick to take the praise when we won, but then put the blame on the players, when we lost, instead of blaming the selection and system they chose.
Although he had his positive phenomenal, he shielded the players from blame and in the end his lack of defensive duties and set play, cost him dearly.
But At least he tried and went away still proud of our football club.
Has anyone else heard Martinez, pull our football club down, I give the guy the upmost respect, just a pity he did not have the funds and a little out of his depth, at the time.
1173 Posted 19/06/2021 at 16:49:55
1174 Posted 19/06/2021 at 16:52:33
I've heard those rumours too but you can't believe anything these days. Jim Whyte has been used to sound out the fans a couple times now but l just hope Brands can carry on his recruitment as he had his transfer meeting with Ancelotti the week before he left.
Thankfully we have the Euros as a distraction :)
1175 Posted 19/06/2021 at 16:59:38
1176 Posted 19/06/2021 at 17:01:25
1177 Posted 19/06/2021 at 17:03:09
You havent mentioned that his advisors (and presumably) Benitez himself have been surprised by the strength of many Blues objections to him being named Everton manager. He really loves the Geordies so its a good fit for him although he did reject a 6 million pound yearly contract from them a few years ago to piss off to China for double the money. Its been reported he wants the same deal here a million a month.
1178 Posted 19/06/2021 at 17:09:39
1179 Posted 19/06/2021 at 17:12:08
Poor Dave won't get a word in edgewise.
1180 Posted 19/06/2021 at 17:22:56
Sin mideo : I hope they are not swear words.
1181 Posted 19/06/2021 at 19:39:24
Sky and Co will obviously keep pushing any possible new candidate to drive their betting agenda. But I'm keeping my fingers crossed they pull someone out the bag like they did last time.
I also don't think any big name is a long-term good move as they will just move on so Conte and Co will leave after a year... not that I fancy Nuno or equivalent but at least they may stay a bit.
The Lille manager, whose name escapes me while typing, would be a halfway house as he's done a good job of pulling them from near bottom to top in 5 years with PSG who are one of the best in the world in the league... but not big enough to leave in 2 mins.
My only thought is that, if he was as good as he looks, the board would have hired him already... or they're so inept, which is also quite probable.
1182 Posted 19/06/2021 at 19:56:13
Big Nev and Ball want Big Dunc, and they know a lot more than me. I'm a huge fan of Dunc, had a drink with him years ago in the Players Lounge. Apart from his inexperience, could he attract the top players to Goodison?
1183 Posted 19/06/2021 at 20:14:42
1184 Posted 19/06/2021 at 22:11:17
1185 Posted 20/06/2021 at 03:31:20
I have been checking out this Argentinian lad Gallardo. I wonder if our illustrious owners could lure him away from his beloved River Plate to Make Everton Great Again (MEGA).
We all have two things in common - we love Everton and we love Football. I live in the hope of seeing us play like this again. Have a look - it will cheer you up.
1186 Posted 20/06/2021 at 07:01:40
1187 Posted 20/06/2021 at 07:54:53
The communication wouldn't reveal who they're talking to, so it wouldn't give us anything more than what we know now.
The club continue to seek a new manager and talk to prospective candidates. That's about as much as they would reveal and we know that.
1188 Posted 20/06/2021 at 08:06:15
1189 Posted 20/06/2021 at 08:25:37
I always regret we didn't sign him earlier in his career. We should (or I think we should) have signed him from Bolton.
In a better team, he could have gone on to greater things in my opinion. And, whilst not Koeman, what an arrow of a shot he had on him for a defender.
1190 Posted 20/06/2021 at 08:31:23
Martinez, Wont meet the fundamental requirement to bring discipline and organisation back. Not his strong point and Never go back.
So now we are realistically left with Howe, Dyches, maybe Potter or Duncan.
Take your pick TWebbers or dream on for Big name like Carlo with the same result. I have already nailed my colours to the mast
1191 Posted 20/06/2021 at 09:19:33
1192 Posted 20/06/2021 at 09:20:28
He'll probably end up back at Newcastle and make them a better team than us.
1193 Posted 20/06/2021 at 09:27:55
1194 Posted 20/06/2021 at 09:33:36
Steve Bruce made them a better team and they're still shit.
1195 Posted 20/06/2021 at 09:49:32
Over the 6 years that Benitez managed Liverpool, I think you will find that there are numerous comments concerning Everton FC from Benitez. His remark about Everton being a small club is probably one of his better comments about our club.
Secondly, if you feel that the Benitez banners did not reflect what you feel or want to see, why don't you grab a bed sheet and have your say. There's plenty room for another bed sheet.
1196 Posted 20/06/2021 at 09:51:17
It will take a outsider to question the current cosy setup at Everton where positions are determined by so called loyalty to the Club, when in fact the loyalty is conditional on keeping cosy positions in the Club.
Brands is now in one of these positions, but what he does realise is that he is a Director in name only, like a office Secretary in some tax haven, who is made a Director of a off shore company three to four times a day.
Maybe this is not the right way to run Everton. But Moshiri and Usmanov obviously have their reasons. They probably know alot about man management and could be right regarding Benitez, who has proven football qualification earned the hard way not always in the Top Six like Anchelotti. He has been relegated stayed with the Club and brought them back up. There a few Managers in the Premiership who would have the guts for that. Certainly none of the Top flight Managers.
1197 Posted 20/06/2021 at 09:51:18
It will take a outsider to question the current cosy setup at Everton where positions are determined by so called loyalty to the Club, when in fact the loyalty is conditional on keeping cosy positions in the Club.
Brands is now in one of these positions, but what he does realise is that he is a Director in name only, like a office Secretary in some tax haven, who is made a Director of a off shore company three to four times a day.
Maybe this is not the right way to run Everton. But Moshiri and Usmanov obviously have their reasons. They probably know alot about man management and could be right regarding Benitez, who has proven football qualification earned the hard way not always in the Top Six like Anchelotti. He has been relegated stayed with the Club and brought them back up. There a few Managers in the Premiership who would have the guts for that. Certainly none of the Top flight Managers.
1198 Posted 20/06/2021 at 10:05:18
May I remind you that they beat us twice this year.
Looks like at this stage we will be begging for somebody to manage us as we are looking like a poison chalice with each passing day.
1199 Posted 20/06/2021 at 10:16:55
Because Martinez, Koeman, Allardyce, Silva and Ancelotti were all “insiders”?
1200 Posted 20/06/2021 at 10:25:59
You sign shite, youre going to play shite.
Moyes bought mostly above average players with a point to prove - we mostly finished slightly higher than expected (above average? Best of the rest?)
Martinez signed a monster striker and we narrowly missed out on CL. Defence starts to decline and he signed shite replacements. The team in turn turned shite.
Koeman? Signed a load of similar players. Unbalanced. Overpaid (in every way). Shite.
Silva benefitted from one good player signed by Koeman, as Gana really stepped up and played like a champion after Christmas. He was sold and replaced by an unfortunate series of injuries (Gbamin).
My fingers cant bring themselves to type the name of that 6mil a year muppet. He signed two shite players and we continued to play shite.
Ancelotti signed some ok players. He got some ok results. We played slowly as most of our players are slow (physically and mentally).
My point is (long winded), we need better players! Regardless of manager! Our club needs to get player recruitment fully under control, with a clear strategy!!
1201 Posted 20/06/2021 at 10:26:28
Granted, he is a spiky character, but maybe that's a positive when he's in your own corner.
If only we could be a bit less sensitive and a bit less insecure in ourselves.
1202 Posted 20/06/2021 at 10:27:52
Initially I thought NES was a good choice because of his good few years with Wolves (prior to last season where the loss of players were a major issue.) I still think hes a safe choice.
I dont think Galtier would come as hes comfortable and in France. Conte is another Ancelotti and will be off when a bigger club come calling.
We need to accept that we are what we are. A mid-table club with an ambitious fan base. In which case I can only see two other options: Benitez or Martinez.
Benitez is another Moyes, someone to bring stability with the outside chance of reaching Europe. Martinez would bring exciting football with a prospective of us finishing 5/6th or bottom half.
So as we enter a third week of speculation I would take a gamble on Martinez, if only to see Everton having a go, whether it results in the dream of Europe of falling into the bottom 10, at least itll be a fun ride
1203 Posted 20/06/2021 at 10:38:19
I know quite a few Evertonians will adopt the mind set well if he is our manager then we will get behind him, and some maybe in the minority like me cant understand how with his record over the last 10 years is even a candidate. The thought of having to look at him in the dug out each week at this moment is the most unappealing thought.
1204 Posted 20/06/2021 at 10:39:48
Whichever side of the bed sheet youre on, his job will be made nigh impossible by the negativity and booing at home games.
Alternatively someone left-field, like Gallardo represents a hot and hope choice. Can we risk him failing miserably? Reach for the stars etc?
I think we would be better with a manager with premiership experience, but someone with the energy and licence to run through the club and shape it with Brands. Not that I know anything of course.
1205 Posted 20/06/2021 at 10:42:24
We need to pay top dollar for a top Striker like Lukaku who can make a average team look good and turn draws into wins and that would be a great starting point. Easier said than done though unfortunately.
1206 Posted 20/06/2021 at 10:42:38
I said on some previous TW threads, its, the reality check of where Everton are.
Its tough times and being honest Im hoping for good times but at the moment its disillusioning watching and waiting, for donkies years for stability and success on the Park.
Money doesnt guarantee success and lets hope the clubs being diligent and taking the extra time to bring in a good fit for Everton.
But is there such good fit out there, it remains to be seen.
Enjoying the Euros and heres to hope and better days.
The Italian job has hopefully galvanised the board to work harder to try and get Everton on an even keel.
1207 Posted 20/06/2021 at 10:46:05
The next manager needs to be somebody who really gets the club and us long suffering supporters.
Ancelotti leaving has really set us back and the word is ALL at Everton are still shocked and Moshiri in particular is very angry.
Apparently we don't get any compensation from Real Madrid and now we hear that Rodriquez can also leave because of a clause in his contract. Who is drawing up the contracts at Everton ?
Any Evertonian I have spoken with these last few weeks reckon they don't give a fuck who the next manager will be such is the state of our club, they do of course but the mood is very very low.!
Martinez gets the club, I'm sure he will attract players and for me I would welcome him back, would he be interested ?
Ferguson is an Evertonian and is desperate for his chance, maybe a one year contract, I'd be worried though!
1208 Posted 20/06/2021 at 10:47:37
1209 Posted 20/06/2021 at 10:49:44
What you fail to show is that;
Firstly he got them relegated when one point off safety and ten games to go only because the wally with the brolly was having such a mare with players like Wiljaldum in that side. Allardyce would have kept them up.
Then they ran away with the championship with a premier league squad.
He finished tenth then thirteenth (45 points,44 points) which is identical to the points total Steve Bruce has finished with in the last two seasons.
Brian he's drifting like a barge on betfair to 3-1
1210 Posted 20/06/2021 at 11:05:50
1211 Posted 20/06/2021 at 11:12:46
Ah, now I understand the point of my post, Ancelotti is a better manager than Arteta, and three quarters better than Klopp, Mourinho and Rodgers, and we must be a better team than all four of them. Jeez, there is some shit posted on here.
1212 Posted 20/06/2021 at 11:19:10
Paul ~1202. Agree with you with the exception that Martinez for me is not the answer to our problems.
What we need is a disciplinarian to organise the players which we have into a tightly organised, well drilled and fit side. Martinez proved in his time with us that this is not his strength.
Finally looking through the threads, one person throughout this thread who does not come in for criticism is Brands. Where is his inspiring recruitment policy, Rodriguez contract etc. Need to examine what he brings to the table of our dysfunctional club.
1213 Posted 20/06/2021 at 11:24:24
Nobody with legendary status at the devils club should ever be mentioned. I wouldn't make a banner for any reason but one thing we all know is - everyone has different behaviours and reactions to any kind of news or result.
This action has pissed a lot of people off because core values matter.
I'd be searching for the best coach in football to work with Duncan Ferguson. Sort the recruitment problem and there is no reason why Duncan can't do a good job.
And he is one man the group of players will be less inclined to turn on.
1214 Posted 20/06/2021 at 12:05:12
To date, he has previously declared he didn't want it and to me, still seems pretty comfortable in his comfort zone, literally sitting in the background. Personally I think that one comes back to bite us big time, not that we can really ever predict these things.
Being an Evertonian, born one or converted, is not a determining criteria for the selection of Everton manager for me. In fact, in 2021, it's a dangerous and regressive path to go down.
1215 Posted 20/06/2021 at 12:42:53
1216 Posted 20/06/2021 at 12:57:10
Just 3 wishes. A hug from my kids, to watch Wales v Italy in peace and without interruption and for the announcement ( or real hope) of a proper manager. If I want a Spanish waiter my kids can take me to a tapas restaurant. More and more I think, like many on here, give it to Duncan. It is a risk but no more so than most of the others touted, albeit for different reasons.
Now that would be a Father's Day to truly remember.
1217 Posted 20/06/2021 at 13:00:55
Yes, they did and still didn't finish above us though did they?
1218 Posted 20/06/2021 at 13:11:47
I agree with your "cushy" comment and in my opinion he should go take a job and see how he does elsewhere, but who knows, what I do know is we are a mess and the longer we are without a manager the bigger the mess is going to get.
1219 Posted 20/06/2021 at 13:17:06