Reports: Benitez in the frame to become new Everton manager

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Updated Rafael Benitez has re-emerged as a candidate for the Everton manager's job amid suggestions that the club's talks with Nuno Espirito Santo have stalled.

The Blues' hierarchy are reported to have held advanced talks with Espirito Santo last week but there are suggestions that the demands around the size of his backroom staff that Nuno made, which supposedly scuppered his appointment at Crystal Palace, could also be the cause of the Everton's hesitancy to confirm him as the next incumbent in the Goodison Park hot-seat.

Claims that emerged on Wednesday, beginning with TalkSport presenter, Jim White, who has close ties to Farhad Moshiri, have it that Benitez is in talks with Everton and is the likely man to succeed Carlo Ancelotti. That was followed by a report from Sky Sports that the Spaniard has held talks with Moshiri but has yet to be offered the job although, according to Paul Joyce of The Times, he is expecting a formal offer.

Benitez represents something of a "Marmite" choice for Everton fans, many of whom despise him for his infamous "small club" jibe when manager of local rivals, Liverpool.

Others see his long affinity with the area (he has maintained his magnificent property on King's Drive in Caldy on The Wirral) and his record of having managed some elite clubs and collected a slew of trophies along the way is seen by others as being the right set of credentials for a manager stepping into the shoes that were rapidly vacated by Madrid-bound Ancelotti.

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Mick O’Malley
1 Posted 15/06/2021 at 13:38:04
Breaking news on TalkSport and we are still talking to Rafa, please no I couldn’t watch another season of dross football
Matthew Williams
2 Posted 15/06/2021 at 13:38:51
Am I hearing that this negative prick is still in the running, even now!

Unreal...

Dennis Stevens
3 Posted 15/06/2021 at 13:43:52
I'm still hoping it's a rumour deliberately circulated so that whoever is appointed comes as a great relief that it's not Benitez, Matthew.
Matthew Williams
4 Posted 15/06/2021 at 14:04:08
I just hope you're right, Dennis, probably more newspaper bollocks but, with our useless board, you can never be 💯% sure!.

This would be a nightmare appointment that would drive a massive wedge through our entire fan base and make our club a laughing stock that we might never recover from – as well as ensuring our long trophy drought continues for years to come.

I am dreading this season already.

Anthony Murphy
5 Posted 15/06/2021 at 14:11:42
Maybe Moshiri has asked his mate Jim White at TalkSport to rattle NES and get him to cave in to his demands by mentioning Rafa's still in the mix. Or maybe Rafa wants it more and is just coming across as the more impressive candidate?

I'm going for a lie down...

Kevin Molloy
6 Posted 15/06/2021 at 14:15:49
I can't believe Rafa would be happy to play the role of Farhad's gimp Anthony, to be wheeled out when needed and then stowed away again. He's got his pride dammit.
Kevin Molloy
7 Posted 15/06/2021 at 14:21:14
I clicked on the link for ToffeeWeb, and what was the vast face which pixellated into view?

It's time to bring a blue home.

Will Mabon
8 Posted 15/06/2021 at 14:22:03
Again, just - NO.

It's said the club has some old-fashioned traits that do not serve us best. Separation from and dismissal of things Liverpool are not among them. I don't care if he's the best candidate - no RedShite. And he's nowhere near the best candidate.

Jim Harrison
9 Posted 15/06/2021 at 14:27:23
Nuno's back room staff requirements causing an issue?
Barry Shearer
10 Posted 15/06/2021 at 14:32:17
Wow. I had a feeling something wasn't right with Nuno. We know Rafa has his fans in the boardroom. As a True Blue, I would support him as long as there is desire and his heart is in it. I will expect more than mediocrity and mid table. Given his past, he would need to deliver silverware or at a minimum, European football and progress in that tournament.
Matthew Williams
11 Posted 15/06/2021 at 14:32:29
A truly horrific prospect!.
Alan Johnson
12 Posted 15/06/2021 at 14:39:15
It's getting worse, a laughing stock of a club. Benitez, god we are scraping the barrel now😡
Mark Ryan
13 Posted 15/06/2021 at 14:39:43
I'd have been okay with NES but I've nailed my colours to the mast before where Benitez is concerned. I don't subscribe to the hate brigades rationale. "He called me a name and therefore I'm not his friend".
I think his association ( previous ) to LFC is largely irrelevant unless you have a blinkered view on life in general. This is a business and we need to hire someone.
No he doesn't have an Everton Tattoo, nor has he played for us blah blah blah. He is someone to steady the ship, someone capable and we should have gone for him, as I've said before, years ago. It is not too late, get him in, he knows the Premier League. He understands what Football means to us and he is his own man.
I'll support him if he's appointed, no question. I'll get my tin hat on but we need to move forward and get him in
Joe O'Brien
14 Posted 15/06/2021 at 14:44:52
Ohhhh God please no. What has he done worth noting in the last 10 years.. very very little.
I'm getting tired of this now tbh.. just appoint Nuno.
Dave Lynch
15 Posted 15/06/2021 at 14:45:04
No one moaned when we signed Burrows, Albett or Beardsley... well I suppose some did but they gave all for us.
If its the Fat Waiter...it is what it is.

Footy is a funny old game as someone once said.

He is very experienced and has won more trophies than any of the other candidates and he may well be a good fit.

Nicholas Ryan
16 Posted 15/06/2021 at 14:45:31
Benitez's record speaks for itself including 2 La Liga titles, when Barca and Real were in their pomp. Has he gone downhill since then? Maybe. Is he a spent force? Possibly. Does his previous Anfield tenure disqualify him? Not in my book, if he's otherwise a good candidate. As to his remarks, wouldn't you want your manager to be 'dishing it out' to rival clubs?

I have had a very controversial thought for a number of years, which I have been loath to express, for obvious reasons. However, now may be the time. Nothing causes so much anger and hurt for Evertonians, as the Benitez 'small club' remark, and the Moyes 'knife to a gunfight' quote.

Could it just possibly be; that those 2 remarks cause so much pain and anger, because at the time they were said, they were true?

Well, I'd better resign from TW before the tsunami of anger engulfs me!

David Pearl
18 Posted 15/06/2021 at 14:49:25
Oh FFS Just appoint Duncan already.
Andrew Ellams
19 Posted 15/06/2021 at 14:50:33
I don't care that he's managed across the park, I don't care about the small club remark. My concern is that he's yesterday's man again. Dinosaur football that makes it easy for the opposition to take the game to us.

No thanks.

Pete Clarke
20 Posted 15/06/2021 at 14:51:18
So what success did he get in China, apart from a few more reddies he didn't need?

If this is true, then Moshiri needs to sell up and fuck off.

Jonathan Tasker
22 Posted 15/06/2021 at 14:54:52
Wouldn't surprise me with potential managers whether the sticking point is Duncan Ferguson. No serious manager is going to manage at a club where the club insist on the incumbent having to include their choice ie Ferguson on the coaching staff.

I 100 % guarantee that Ferguson will be foisted onto the new manager. But I'll be delighted to be wrong

Mike Keating
23 Posted 15/06/2021 at 14:55:10
Amongst all the gossip around possible returnees to the Premier League (Martinez, Benitez, Pellegrini, Pochettino), there has been no mention of Mancini.

Is there a reason for this?

Will Mabon
24 Posted 15/06/2021 at 14:57:10
Dave, there had been few inter-club movements before those you mentioned (McMahon too in that era), and they caused much uproar at the time. Yes, it's happened but on no big scale. It's pretty unpalatable to most. No player that I remember dismissively called us a small club either.
Bill Hawker
25 Posted 15/06/2021 at 14:58:07
I guess I'm in a very small minority who'd be ok with Benitez vs. some of the other names bandied about. My guess is that he'd do his very best to win over Everton supporters. How would he do that? By winning, pure and simple. He'd also win us over by bringing in some more quality players. We could do worse.
Dave Williams
26 Posted 15/06/2021 at 15:00:00
Mancini or Conte!

Watch this space – I hope!

James O'Connell
28 Posted 15/06/2021 at 15:04:52
Everton are still talking to lots of candidates, I don't think this will happen unless Mr Moshiri has been served the wrong shrooms again for breakfast.

Still time for a few surprises, like seeing who is available after the euros.

Failing that I think Graham Potter would be the best of the 'rising stars' if we can't get a Mancini.

Mark Ryan
29 Posted 15/06/2021 at 15:08:40
It's abundantly clear that the names we all conjured with weeks back are not coming. The likes of Pochettino, Conte, Simeone et al are not coming.
We need an appointment because we need to start recruiting and so, if appointed, we need to start supporting the man.
If he gets the job then I'm with Bill and to a degree I agree with those saying "what has he done recently ? " but I think this is a massive opportunity for him, probably the biggest he'll get and I'm certain he'll want to enhance his reputation and I think he'll be a good fit if we get behind him. He's capable and will understand what we need moving forward
Ray Carvin
30 Posted 15/06/2021 at 15:09:04
This would be the worst possible appointment, a negative manager, years past his last success, merely a convenient payday for him. Zero affinity with the fans.

I would seriously consider jibbing going if he was in post.

Jamie Crowley
31 Posted 15/06/2021 at 15:09:23
Jesus no.

Can we please have some pride?

Hiring this man who's managed them and also insulted us publicly would be an all time low.

We'd go from historical, respected Club that does things right, to a bunch of whores.

No fucking way! Fuck this guy off immediately. Even talking to him smacks of filthiness and prostitution.

Jay Evans
32 Posted 15/06/2021 at 15:15:14
Please God no.

Please.

God.

No.

Robert Tressell
33 Posted 15/06/2021 at 15:18:38
Benitez would not be on the list for any quality Premier League job. Maybe Palace. Maybe West Brom. Maybe a team in the Middle East or some random international team like Morocco.

It would be embarrassing to hire him.

Dave McDowell
34 Posted 15/06/2021 at 15:19:37
Jonathan #22, I agree but for non footballing reasons.

I’m sure most incoming managers will believe (or be told) Dunc is “Bill’s boy”.

In any management situation if you have a subordinate member of your team with unfettered access to senior management it creates trust issues in the chain of command.

Once things start going sideways then the “spy in the camp” issue becomes even more malignant.

Brian Williams
35 Posted 15/06/2021 at 15:20:35
If Ancelotti was deemed "past it" and as it turns out he certainly appeared to be, does the same not apply to Benitez?
His best days are well behind him now.
And call me parochial, tribal, even bitter but I DO NOT want an ex redshite manager thankyou very much.
In fact if he's employed I think I'll apply to get my money back on my season ticket and say "fuck it."
Mike Gaynes
36 Posted 15/06/2021 at 15:23:36
Couldn't care less about his RS tenure or the infamous comment. He's just a crap manager.
Total flop in two seasons in China.
Total flop at Barcodes.
Zonal marking on corners.
Those ridiculous jowls.
Forget it. No.

Mike #23, yes, there's a reason. Mancini is happy as a clam managing Italy, and they're ecstatic with him. 74% winning percentage and a ridiculous 28 straight games undefeated, 23 wins and 5 draws, over the past three years. Right now they're on a streak of nine straight clean sheets with a goal ratio of 28-0. So no, he's not leaving his own national team machine right before the World Cup to come to Everton.

Dave #26, no, it won't be Conte either.

Andy Crooks
37 Posted 15/06/2021 at 15:24:40
Just backed Eddie Howe @ 14/1.
Gerard McKean
38 Posted 15/06/2021 at 15:25:14
I always felt slightly guilty as a kid that I liked the charismatic and down-to-earth Bill Shankly more than the mannered Harry Catterick. Shankly, by the end of his life, openly admitted that he felt more affinity with Everton FC than with Liverpool FC and the hypothetical question would be: if he'd said that 10 years earlier, would we have welcomed him as manager? With open arms!

It's not about where a person has worked previously. It's all about being the right person at the right time at the right club. There was a time when Benitez ticked the boxes, but I fear no longer. Like Carlo, I suspect the real hunger just is no longer there.

I keep on coming back to the two guys called Philip I've mentioned before: Cocu is a thinking coach who works well with a DoF and the fact that it's Brands with whom he had a productive relationship at PSV is an added bonus. Lahm with Rangnick to mentor him would be my wild card. If and when this fellow goes into coaching he will be as innovative as the likes of Cruyff and Guardiola. Get him now before someone else does?

Jamie Crowley
39 Posted 15/06/2021 at 15:25:30
I'll say this, too.

I want Nuno. I've made that clear on other posts.

I read above in one of the posts (Mike Keating 23) that there's some names being thrown around returning to the Premier League.

I'd take Roberto Martinez back in a second. We fucking ran that guy out of town too quickly. He tried to play good football, he was an extremely amicable man who represented Everton wonderfully, and in my opinion things unravelled when Rom was on his way out.

It was the best football played by an Everton team that I personally have witnessed (15 years now).

I don't give a flying fuck if we leak 3 goals a game. Bring back excitement and entertaining football. Try to win 4-3. My soul has been starved for an Everton that is a joy to watch.

Roberto in a New York minute for me.

Won't happen, but there, I said it.

And for anyone who castigates the above, yet actually wants Rafa here?

Please just shut the fuck up.

Kieran Kinsella
40 Posted 15/06/2021 at 15:26:07
Brian,

Funny thing is people were citing Ancelotti's "busted flush" moment as his tenure at Bayern (based on debunked rumors about training) even though he won the double. By comparison, Benitez got relegated with Newcastle then spent three years presiding over the Harlem globetrotters in China. If Carlo was a "busted flush" I'd suggest Benitez is something worse, perhaps a cracked pot, or a rotting outhouse.

I also object to the notion that Carragher and Co can dictate to us to take on their failed boss as some sort of charity case. We've got an abundance of our own charity cases, we don't need one of theirs coming along and being serenaded by the Kop during the derby.

If he comes, I will turn into a complete hypocrite and follow Darren's path in opposition from Day One. I'd sooner have no-one and frankly the way the team play it often appears there is no management anyway so we could save a few quid.

Neil Cremin
41 Posted 15/06/2021 at 15:27:06
Jonathan,
I totally agree. I like Duncan and if appointed would be willing to give him a chance although I agree that he should try and prove himself at another club, eg, Lampard, Gerrard, Rooney etc. If you were going in to manage a new club which you know has organisation and motivation problems, would you take the chance that your authority be possibly undermined by someone is probably looking for your jobs and who may benefit from your demise.
Andy Crooks
42 Posted 15/06/2021 at 15:27:08
Mike, it cannot be Benitez. I will do whatever is necessary to prevent that!
Ian Pilkington
43 Posted 15/06/2021 at 15:28:09
I disliked Benitez as much as anyone else when he was at LFC, but that’s a long time ago. After seeing the list of some of the other “candidates” ie Moyes, Potter, Howe etc I am willing to give him my support.

I am not at all convinced that Nuno is the answer. His insistence on his complete entourage joining him suggests a worrying level of intransigence.

The idea of Big Dunc becoming manager is a recipe for disaster. He simply doesn’t have enough experience to take the job permanently. He has not even been an actual assistant manager; his position under Ancelotti was “joint assistant” with Ancelotti’s son (draw your own conclusions), whilst Silva’s assistant manager at the time of his sacking was Boa Morte.

Colin Harvey was a genuine no 2 to HK and is rightly credited for his achievement in helping Howard to turn a failing team into the best in Europe, but sadly Colin was not a success once he stepped up as manager.
The days of an Evertonian in charge are long gone.

Jerome Shields
44 Posted 15/06/2021 at 15:29:08
Jim#9

A very relevant question.

Nuno's Backroom team:

Rui Pedro Silva (assistant)
Ian Cathro (first-team coach)
Julio Figueroa (first-team coach)
Rui Barbosa (goalkeeper coach)
Antonio Dias (fitness coach)
Joao Lapa (rehab coach)

I don't see this is any bigger than Ancelotti's but Nuno could be insisting on changes in positions, more accountability and immediate command. This was the mistake that Ancelotti made, not insisting on similar. Ancelotti was, as Lyndon said 'laissez-faire' in his management of players, whilst Nuno, if reports are correct, is more disciplined, will insist his orders are carried out, and he will want a backroom team that is consistently the same in dealing with players.

I think Benitez would be favoured by Bill Kenwright. Benitez will say anything they want to hear to get the job. And will not make the mistake of asking for a big transfer pot, like he did at Juve. I bet that Moshiri and mates are working hard to get a big name alternative. That is if the Nuno situation is true.

I thought that Nuno was a good compromise candidate between the two camps, but it was originally reported that Everton were looking for a big name candidate that wasn't going to insist on radical change at the club.

I now want Nuno because he appears to know that radical change is a must from the start. This would be a real stumbling block at good old status quo Everton.

Brian Williams
45 Posted 15/06/2021 at 15:29:57
Andy, you shouldn't have said that mate.


I live just down the road from him and you've given me ideas!

Shane Corcoran
46 Posted 15/06/2021 at 15:30:52
Did Benitez get relegated with Newcastle?

And Carragher is dictating?

Kieran Kinsella
47 Posted 15/06/2021 at 15:31:21
Andy 42

I just Fedexed a parcel to you with your assignment. Read it carefully as it will self destruct in 10 seconds.

Jay Hughes
48 Posted 15/06/2021 at 15:31:30
Is it possible the club is dragging it's feet because the incoming manager is currently employed in the Euros?

Maybe Mancini? The self-delusional Martinez? Or for a proper laugh, our Gaz when the FA sack him? Let's face it, we're already a laughing stock.

Kieran Kinsella
49 Posted 15/06/2021 at 15:34:39
Shane 46

Yes he did.

Ian Pilkington
50 Posted 15/06/2021 at 15:35:32
The Echo, via Football Insider, has just reported that Conte has been approached. My choice as soon as Ancelotti resigned.
Gavin Johnson
51 Posted 15/06/2021 at 15:37:12
Some people were asking whether Carlo was declining. The jury was out on that, but I don't think there's any doubt about that with Rafa. He's still a very good manager but he's not won anything since the UEFA cup with Chelsea in 2014 and he will be completely divisive which isn't good for a club who's have had 5 managers in as many years.
Kieran Kinsella
52 Posted 15/06/2021 at 15:38:06
Ian,

Based on the track record, I get the impression that "Football Insider" is a 12-year-old kid basing his claims on his own experience from Championship Manager

Mike Gaynes
53 Posted 15/06/2021 at 15:39:26
Jamie #39, Roberto is managing the #1 national side in the world 17 months before the World Cup. And his side gig is giggling with charming Kate Abdo in the studio. He's not gonna give that up even for Carlo's house in Crosby. So no, he's not coming.

Andy #42, I think in this case some sort of terrorist action might be justified. Check with Jamie for weapons. He's got extras.

Ian #50, Conte is 51, in the prime of his career. He's been one of the world's highest-paid managers for a decade. His last four jobs were Juventus, Italy, Chelsea and Inter. He's got his pick of jobs anywhere in the world.

Jay Harris
54 Posted 15/06/2021 at 15:39:42
For those promoting Benitez, bear in mind his last success was in 2005 and since then he has a very poor record.

For those comparing him with Carlo, also please bear in mind Carlo's win percentage at Everton was up there with the most successful managers we have had.

Personally, I would like Galtier but it is being reported he was discounted because he doesn't speak English, which I am surprised at.

Conte would be a one-season dream but, hey, in these days of short-termism, let's go for it.

The board need to realise with this squad there is no miracle cure and we will need to back the manager 100%.

If Nuno is holding out because he doesn't want Dunc forced on him, then kudos to the man.

David Pearl
55 Posted 15/06/2021 at 15:42:15
Jamie @39,

I did also like Martinez and believe we hounded him out. However Lukaku was still here for Koeman. The reason l would give is that he wasn't given the money. Especially in defence, where we were too slow in replacing an ageing backline. Distin hit a brick wall. It was a fun first season with him and a young core of players that unfortunately broke away.

Glad we are being linked to players, meaning perhaps Brands might want a manager to adapt a certain style that suits the squad? Well, we can only hope...

Barry Hesketh
56 Posted 15/06/2021 at 15:44:38
I think the news about Conte has been lost in translation...

Apparently, the board has spoken to John Conteh to ask him if he'd take on Duncan as there's nobody at the club who can ask the Scotsman to leave without fearing for their lives. :)

Dale Self
57 Posted 15/06/2021 at 15:46:12
So we can’t get the terms we want and someone in the towers puts Benitez out there thinking that improves negotiating position? When you don’t dispose of floated options that damage your rep you start looking like well, a floater.

I think we are getting a view as to why Carlo left

Marc Hints
58 Posted 15/06/2021 at 15:53:07
Not too sure I care who the manager is at the moment. I am more concerned about players we need to sign; I really don't want to watch that first 11 again for another season.
Jamie Crowley
59 Posted 15/06/2021 at 15:53:56
David -

I got the feeling Rom wanted out at the tail end of Roberto's reign. I thought he was frustrated with not breaking into the Champions League.

He wasn't the same after around April of that year, by my memory.

And yes, Martinez with actual money to spend would be worth the price of admission surely!

Fran Mitchell
60 Posted 15/06/2021 at 15:54:26
If Benitez is hired, then serious questions need to be raised about Moshiri's suitability to remain our owner.
Michael Lynch
61 Posted 15/06/2021 at 15:57:37
Not happening. Probably just that the board have been reading ToffeeWeb and came up with a cunning plan to counter all the negativity about Nuno:

"Let's feed the fuckers a Rafa rumour and they'll be BEGGING us to bring in Nuno and his 5,000 assistants!"

Dale Self
62 Posted 15/06/2021 at 16:01:56
This looks like psyops to get expectations set for an underwhelming candidate that they are somewhat embarrassed to settle on.
Will Mabon
63 Posted 15/06/2021 at 16:02:24
Andy @ 37,

Only a tenner, I hope...

Mark Ryan
64 Posted 15/06/2021 at 16:02:26
I seemed to remember shots of Romelu giggling to his teams mates when Martinez got the Belgium gig. I like him think Roberto's not "all that" and I was glad to see the back of him as were most Evertonians. Don't bring him back, for fuck's sake!
Ian Pilkington
65 Posted 15/06/2021 at 16:04:19
Mike @53,

Conte doesn't have a wide choice of clubs at present. He turned down Spurs allegedly over spending and probably because Kane is set on leaving.

If we don't think big, we are never going to be big again.

Ian Jones
66 Posted 15/06/2021 at 16:13:33
Apologies in advance for picking some comments out...

Kieran, agreed, Benitez did get relegated with Newcastle, think he took on a team already in trouble. However, he did get them promoted back to the Premier League...

To be fair, he also only spent about 18 months in China before returning to the UK, not the 3 years you mentioned.

Jay Harris, Benitez has won the Italian Cup and the Europa League more recently than 2005.

Am not suggesting I am a great fan of Rafa Benitez, but we might as well give some credit where it's due...

Martin Reppion
67 Posted 15/06/2021 at 16:17:27
Several posts on here talk about the attractive football played under Martinez. This was the team that would be happy to pass to our own goalkeeper from inside the opposition half but not risk a direct ball into their box from 40 yards for fear of losing it.

The tippy tappy stuff confused the hell out of our players and Martinez was simply too pig-headed, or too stupid, to realise he was putting square pegs into round holes. He got found out by January in his first season.

The second time we played teams, they were waiting for us. (Fulham worked us out after 25 minutes and turfed us out of the League Cup.)

I don't want a managerial spent force, whether or not he is the fat Spanish waiter from across the park either. The French guy, Galtier, looks like a good call and we could be the right fit for him. But whoever it is. We need to move soon so we can recruit in the right way.

Robert Tressell
68 Posted 15/06/2021 at 16:19:23
Martinez has matured as a manager since leaving us. He's a good manager too. His Belgium side is the classiest I've seen this Euros mixing possession with real pentration. But he'll now be looking for a more immediate route to the Champions League I expect.

As for Conte, there's every chance we've already approached him. I'd expect to be rebuffed for similar reasons he publicly rebuffed Spurs. He's an elite manager now - and the prospect of rebuilding a club off the back of 12th and 10th place finishes looks way below him unfortunately, especially when we simply cannot compete in the transfer market.

Santo - it wouldn't surprise me if this is all sorted with a bit of formality left to resolve before the announcement. It might seem like ages to us but in reality it's been no time at all to sort out a senior hire with notice of the vacancy.

And did I mention I don't want Benitez.

Martin Reppion
69 Posted 15/06/2021 at 16:25:52
Sorry.

The manager of a team that includes De Bruyne, Lukaku, Courtois and a host of other world beaters does not need to be any good. His tactics can simply be to show them which way to face at kick-off and let them get on with it.

Mike Walker could manage Belgium and look vaguely competent.

Pat Kelly
70 Posted 15/06/2021 at 16:33:34
The issue with Nuno could well be Ferguson's role, if any. If we want Nuno and he doesn't want Ferguson then it's time the big man moved on. No one is bigger than the Club.

We also have Baines in some coaching capacity? Next it'll be Seamus... The museum is expanding.

Will Mabon
71 Posted 15/06/2021 at 16:37:34
Martin, I know where you're coming from, but the manager must have some bearing surely? If not, how did Man City lose the Champions League Final to Chelsea?

By the way, Walker couldn't!

Stuart Sharp
72 Posted 15/06/2021 at 16:41:46
Martin, I agree with your general point. But the Mike Walker comment is a step too far.
Howard Don
73 Posted 15/06/2021 at 16:44:44
The more I read about Nuno, the less enthusiastic I am. The more I read about Graham Potter, part of me would rather give him a go, he's young highly intelligent, innovative and, unlike Martinez, not afraid to change it if it ain't working. At least he'd be there to build, unlike any of the big names being pushed most of whom, if they came at all, would do a Carlo within a year or so.

Benitez would undoubtedly steady the ship, wants to be in the area and, who knows, might just build something.

Dave Lynch
74 Posted 15/06/2021 at 16:46:58
I've mentioned this a couple of times on other threads.

It wouldn't surprise me if, after the Euros, Martinez came back.

He won't want to destabilise Belgium ATM, just a hunch, Benitez may be just lazy journalism.

Craig Walker
75 Posted 15/06/2021 at 17:37:01
I liked Martinez for that first season and really wanted him to succeed. There were some great performances in his inaugural season : Man United home and away, Arsenal home and away. We should have won the Goodison derby. That season is probably the last time we played some good football. Then the wheels truly came off culminating in a thumping at Anfield which was one of the most embarrassing defeats I can remember. For those saying he could do well with more money, McGeady and Niasse were Martinez buys.
Jay Harris
76 Posted 15/06/2021 at 17:41:04
A brief synopsis of Benitez successes and failures form your own opinion.

moved away from Real Madrid in 1995, but management spells at Real Valladolid and Osasuna were short-lived and unsuccessful. He guided Segunda División side Extremadura back to the Primera División in his first season in 1997, but the team was relegated the following season. He left the club, and coached Tenerife in 2000, winning promotion in his only season.

Benítez was appointed coach of Valencia and won La Liga in the 2001–02 season. In 2004, another La Liga league title and a UEFA Cup victory were added building on the foundation laid by Héctor Cúper who had taken Valencia to two consecutive Champions League finals; in 2000 against Real Madrid, and in 2001 against Bayern Munich. After leaving Valencia, Benitez moved to English club Liverpool of the Premier League, guiding the club to victory in the UEFA Champions League in 2005. For the second consecutive season, he was named UEFA Manager of the Year. He also won the FA Cup in 2006 and reached the 2007 Champions League Final, but was unable to win the Premier League, with Liverpool's best league performance under Benítez a second-place finish in 2008–09.

After leaving Liverpool in June 2010, Benítez was appointed manager of treble-winning side Inter Milan. His reign at the club was a short one and he was dismissed midway through the 2010–11 season. In November 2012, he was appointed interim manager of Chelsea for the remainder of the season and he won the 2013 Europa League. He returned to Italy in 2013 to coach Napoli, where he won the Coppa Italia and Supercoppa Italiana. He then left Napoli and became coach of Real Madrid in June 2015 on an initial three-year contract. It was another short-lived appointment and on 4 January 2016, he was dismissed following a 2–2 draw against his old club, Valencia.

On 11 March 2016, Benítez was announced as the manager of Newcastle United in an attempt to save the club from relegation. He was unable to avoid relegation, but earned promotion back to the Premier League the following year, winning the Championship. He left the club in June 2019. In July 2019 he was appointed manager of Chinese Super League club Dalian Professional. On 23 January 2021 Benítez announced that he had left the club by mutual consent.

Mike Gaynes
77 Posted 15/06/2021 at 17:48:05
Mark #62, Rom may just have been giggling for sheer joy. Under Roberto and his Belgium system, Rom has scored an extraordinary 42 goals in his last 41 games for his country and is enjoying himself extravagantly.

Martin #67, it takes more than talent to craft a top international side. Look at Argentina's struggles. Look at Spain. Roberto hasn't just collected a bunch of stars, he's developed a system they can thrive in and has made good in-game coaching decisions. And he has kept everybody happy, which ain't easy. He deserves full credit.

HOWEVER... all he has to do is coach the team, he doesn't have to manage it as a club. I think it was his lack of organizational skills that caught up with him at Everton, and before that at Wigan. He doesn't have to worry about that at Belgium. He doesn't have to scout and buy players or negotiate contracts. Or manage a budget.

But again, he is never coming back to Everton. Especially, Dave #72, right before a World Cup that he will be favored to win. Sorry, no way.

Brian Murray
78 Posted 15/06/2021 at 17:53:58
That kopite waiter has been to China and has achieved nothing for six years. The rivalry aside, he’s yesterday’s man just like we was starting to see withCarlo. It’s natural the hunger is not quite there after a while. It’s alla gamble especially on no experience but big duncs ability may surprise us if he’s offered.
Peter Warren
79 Posted 15/06/2021 at 17:54:28
Regarding Benitez it does not bother me that he managed Liverpool and called us a small club. The issue is that he wasn’t that good 15 years ago in my opinion and he was so fortunate (as we’re Liverpool) to have one of the most amazing players ever called Steven Gerrard.

If I thought Benitez was top class, great, but he ain’t. Nuno seems ok but not great.

I don’t understand why we don’t go for someone with an identity of how to play which fits in with our school of science ethos or an up and coming manager. All these names (which may be horseshit to be fair) all appear safe and average - bit like our team.

Rob Halligan
80 Posted 15/06/2021 at 18:06:02
The stumbling block with Nuno cannot be the size of his backroom staff, after all Ancelotti also had six in his backroom staff. The stumbling block, for me anyway, is whether Duncan can remain on the coaching team or not. This will be Kenwright interfering again. He lost out on getting his love child back, so still wants to be seen as having a major input, and wants Duncan to remain.

I think I'd rather have Nuno than Benitez, so sorry Duncan, but if that means “Ya gotta go, then ya gotta go”!

John Wilson
82 Posted 15/06/2021 at 18:11:45
Benítez never said Everton was a small club. This is also a derby so emotions are everywhere. He said this:

"Everton put eight or nine men behind the ball and defended deep 'but that's what small clubs do.'

Is Benítez wrong about what small clubs do?

"When a team comes to Anfield and only want a point what else can you call them but a small club?"

Did he imply Everton were a small club because when under Moyes Everton were fighting for just a draw and not a win?

Could you call Everton a small club for a team steeped in history to fight for a point instead of a win?

If there was less than a few shots at Anfield by Everton, would this not cause the red shite manager frustration?

Benítez continues:

"I was really disappointed because one team wanted to win the game and one team didn't want to lose it."

Reference: https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/rafa-benitez-next-everton-manager-24232898

Steve Powell
84 Posted 15/06/2021 at 18:32:27
Surely this is just people making stuff up because there is nothing else to write about?
Michael Kenrick
85 Posted 15/06/2021 at 18:40:50
John @78,

I'm not sure that's an argument you're going to win. The meaning in context was very clear: Everton played like a small club... although ironically it seems every club plays that way nowadays!

But I agree with your intent (or my perception of it): the jibe was true at the time, and sensitive Evertonians reacted with predictable wounded pride. Our football at times from the Ginger Minge was simply horrible. But that was plucky little Everton. [Of course it's okay if we say it!]

Thank you, David Moyes.

Colin Glassar
86 Posted 15/06/2021 at 19:36:33
Spot on Michael. Bill and ginge milked the plucky little Everton till the cows came home. That mindset is the cause of all our problems today. The acceptance of mediocrity by players and managers alike.
Colin Glassar
87 Posted 15/06/2021 at 19:36:50
Spot on Michael. Bill and ginge milked the plucky little Everton till the cows came home. That mindset is the cause of all our problems today. The acceptance of mediocrity by players and managers alike.
Paul Hewitt
88 Posted 15/06/2021 at 19:46:42
How do any of you know that Kenwright wanted Moyes to return, and now want Martinez back?. I know it's in the papers so it must be true. The truth is no one has a clue who the club are looking at. But I suppose it's another thing to blame Bill for.
Joe O'Brien
89 Posted 15/06/2021 at 19:58:39
Exactly Jimmy @81.. he should not have any input into the choosing of our next manager..nor should Moshiri btw.. this should be a Brand pick.. and for sure he wouldn't be picking a manager who has won nothing recently.. and would only consider us because his family live in the area.
I'm behind Nuno.. the supporters would give him time.. if Rafa lost a couple of matches in a row the support would turn on him.. lose 4 in a row..Goodison would be a toxic atmosphere.
If Rafa got the job.. he'd be sacked within the year.. and he'd love that..out the door with a huge payoff.. Still loved by the redshite.. and them laughing at us.
Matthew Johnson
90 Posted 15/06/2021 at 21:18:52
Isn't Klopp renting Benetiz's house, I'd hire him just for the giggles of Klopp being evicted
Ed Fitzgerald
91 Posted 15/06/2021 at 21:20:27
Klopp rents Brendas house in Formby
Chris Hockenhull
92 Posted 15/06/2021 at 21:38:46
“He’s Maintained His magnificent Property on Kings Drive in Caldy..on The Wirral”…. Any chance you can go the whole hog and add postcode…phone number…alarm code etc???? I mean Carlo experienced a bit of “ local interest @ as did Duncan once and our reserve keeper Olson over the years. I mean… let’s keep our prospective players and staff welcome shall we????
Mark Andersson
93 Posted 15/06/2021 at 22:02:40
I watched a interview with Harry Redknap in were his chairman of Portsmouth asked him... why are these players bot trying?

Harry said.. but they are trying the problem is they are crap footballers who can not do any better..

I think Carlo realized the same about our squad..

Who ever comes in as the new manager will still have a squad of players only capeable of mid table finish..

Raffa aint coming and Martinez haha Jamie your as deluded as the man himself who once blamed sticky grass for a poot result..

Ian Horan
94 Posted 15/06/2021 at 22:05:14
Brands currently lives next door but one to Benitez in Caldy.. I can see BENITEZ with Duncan to calm the support. This looks so much like a PR disaster waiting to happen. On the plus side we can all wing about next seasons fixtures at 9.30am tomorrow... now that will be interesting. I bet we get the top 6 in our first 8 games whilst we are in disarray.
Dave Abrahams
95 Posted 15/06/2021 at 22:10:40
Mark (89),Mark did Redknap make those remarks before or after he bought a lot of those players, he won the FA cup with them but nearly made Portsmouth bankrupt, and they were in the lowest league not long after. Mind you Redknap did alright out of it and it allowed his dog to bank a load of money for him.
Christy Ring
96 Posted 15/06/2021 at 22:47:32
Never liked Benitez, always reminded me of the toy collector in Toy Story 2, but that's beside the point, his record in the last 10 /12 years has been shockingly poor, would be a disaster.
I always liked Martinez, he took a chance and spent all his money on Lukaku, a brilliant decision, but injuries, and an ageing defence with no more money to buy a centre back, cost him. Remember he had to play Alcaraz a free transfer at centreback. As for Nuno, he picks his own backroom team, if the deal is being held up over not including BigDunc, we're a total shambles.
Simon Harris
97 Posted 15/06/2021 at 23:14:59
Call me cynical, but they must have seen the response to the Nuno story ... Leak a Benitez story to the press, fans up in arms, then announce the Portuguese chap to soften the blow of the underwhelmed majority. Phew, at least we didn't hire [insert insult here]
Kevin Molloy
98 Posted 15/06/2021 at 23:24:48
I'd love to be at the interview. 'yes, but Rafa, I'm not being funny but what have you actually won?'

how the hell is he going to answer that one. Whereas Nuno didn't just get Wolves promoted, he actually won the thing.

Jerome Shields
99 Posted 15/06/2021 at 23:32:24
Gosh the long this Management recruitment process goes on the more desperate are the choices being posted. Trying to find improvement in shambolic Managers. This must reflect a desperate Management recruitment group at Everton. There does not seem to. be a coherent plan for the recruitment of a Manager, since the range though limit, has big variations in Manager type.
David Israel
100 Posted 15/06/2021 at 23:49:04
Looking at it from the bright side, this would almost certainly herald the second coming of the great Steve Ferns!
Ian Pilkington
101 Posted 15/06/2021 at 23:51:27
David Moyes failed to win a single away match at Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool and Manchester United, 44 in total.

Whether Benitez's comments were lost in translation or not, Moyes's attitude to away games at what was then known as the “big four” clubs was certainly smalltime.

John Pickles
102 Posted 16/06/2021 at 00:23:54
I don't care about his 'small club' comment, as regards clubs likely to win anything, we are. I'm more concerned with the amount of money he wasted on bum signings at Liverpool, they could afford it, as Koeman has proved, we can't.
Andy Crooks
103 Posted 16/06/2021 at 00:40:45
Christy, no not Martinez. In my view the worst coach in our history. His vanity relegated and destroyed Wigan. He would have relegated us. His appointment was insane. He is managing the best team in the world and they will never win a tournament because he is really that useless. Mike G, you will never change my mind on this!!
I posted, when I was lobbying to get him out of our club, that he was the worst coach I had every seen earn a living as a professional. I absolutely stand by that.
We lost a game at Southampton where his ineptitude was such that I commented that my next door neighbour's cat could do better. I would rather have Mike Walker's cat as our coach than the posturing fraudulent ninny. Belgium will rue the day they appointed him.
I suppose I should now recommend that you all stick a bet on Belgium.

Mike Gaynes
104 Posted 16/06/2021 at 01:03:48
Andy #99, they'll rue hiring Roberto? When? He's already given Belgium the five greatest years in their history. Third at the World Cup -- outplayed the champs for a half in the semis and then demolished England for 3rd. They've won almost 80% of their games under Roberto. Four losses in five years.

Maybe they'll win the Euros, maybe not. Maybe they'll win the WC, maybe not. But they'll never regret appointing Bobby.

We sure as hell should, however. You and I agree on that one.

Soren Moyer
105 Posted 16/06/2021 at 01:19:07
NES wants to bring Mendes onboard for dealing with transfers. Hence the hold up. Thats according to the news outlets.
Derek Thomas
106 Posted 16/06/2021 at 01:33:38
Mike @ 100 aka, possibly cloud 9; No they'll not regret hiring Martinez, but they'll be even more pleased at having Lukaku, KdB and a few more very good players, Hazard even.

Martinez is a good International Manager, but not a good League manager.

Horses for Courses.

Just think back to the faces of Lukaku and Mirallas as it was announced when they were coming out.
If they ever needed a video clip to define the dictionary definition of "what the absolute fuck" then that was it.

It has been said and disputed on here about people saying No to this one or that, without offering an alternative.

But Ifeel its ok to know what you don't want, much harder to know what you do want (Or need, as the stones tell us - you don't always get what you want, but you get what you need).
And,
Once you've decided what you do want . or need.

It's even harder to be right.

Jack Ellam (iirc) nailed the 5 stages of recognition (want Vs need etc.)

Who is Jack Ellam?
Try Jack Ellam.
Get me Jack Ellam.
I want a 'Jack Ellam' type.
Who is Jack Ellam.

I want a 'Bielsa Type', a kick arse, off the wall nutter.
*wishes for the moon.
A modern day Clough - who if the stories are true, we very briefly flirted with then ran off with our apron over our face, like a scandalised kitchen maid with the vapours.

No Moyes
No FSW,
No Martinez.

I can just about live with Nuno as he did decent stuff with Wolves and its all a gamble.

But Martinez ( he got luck twice with Lukaku, once in the League and once internationally - he won't get lucky a third time) is firmly in my 'fool me once etc' category.

No, just no.

James Flynn
107 Posted 16/06/2021 at 05:44:28
Roberto back? No, no, and no. A terrible coach. First-rate bullshitter, though.
And a couple fellows wished Moshiri kept Roberto and gave him all that money to spend?

All at once: Barry, Luka, McCarthy, and DelBoy. Fantastic. Look past them and his signings range from meh to shit to Tarashaj.

2013

Arouna Kone
Antolin Alcaraz
Joel Robles
James McCarthy
Romelu Lukaku
Gareth Barry
Gerard Deulofeu

2014

Aiden McGeady
Jindrich Stanek
Sam Byrne
Samuel Eto'o
Muhamed Besic
Brendan Galloway
Connor Hunt

2015

Leandro Rodriguez
Tom Cleverley
Mason Holgate
Aaron Lennon
David Henen
Funes Mori

2016

Niasse
Shani Tarashaj
Matthew Foulds

Lot of things said about Kenwright/Walsh/Koeman that they had coming to them. Let's just not forget that the slide of the last 5 years was started by Martinez.

Bring him back? He didn't even consider important getting his players into 90 minutes of fitness. The most basic of basics.

Conor McCourt
108 Posted 16/06/2021 at 06:22:32
Andy you have just made me laugh "the worst coach in our history",yet he delivered the best three year period in three and a half decades. Every year we fought for something come the end of the season.

We have had the Hollywood managers Ancelotti and Koeman, the young pretender Silva and the self proclaimed greatest manager that ever lived all following Martinez and not one got anywhere near what Roberto achieved.

Not only did they not surpass him (5th place 72 points, last 16 in Europe and 2 Cup Semi's) they between them didn't even beat ONE of his individual achievements and this all done without Moshiri's money.

At Swansea he is statistically their greatest manager, At Wigan he won the FA Cup and kept them up all but one season and is definitely their greatest ever manager, at Belgium he is their greatest ever manager and even with us he is statistically one of our greatest managers despite his perception as a failure by some.

If Roberto hadn't managed here before he would be seen as the outstanding candidate on the list.

Ed Fitzgerald
109 Posted 16/06/2021 at 07:34:36
Conor/Andy

I’m no fan boy for Martinez but he isn’t a terrible coach and certainly not the worst In our history by any measure, win percentage is perhaps the most useful (disregarding caretaker managers). Martinez’s win percentage is only bettered by Harry Catterick, HK (first period) Colin Harvey and the recently departed Italian.


Andy I worked in Wigan for a number of years before retiring and he is revered by their fans not reviled. His achievement of winning the FA Cup with a club the size of Wigan is comparable with Wimbledon winning the FA Cup of 1988. If Moyes has managed to win something at Everton he would have been accorded the same status here.

Mick O'Malley
110 Posted 16/06/2021 at 07:45:25
Connor@ 104 Good post and I’d welcome Roberto back in a heartbeat, at least he tried to win games and who knows what would have happened if he had the money the other muppets who came after him had to spend
Ed Fitzgerald
111 Posted 16/06/2021 at 07:48:44
Sorry Conor

My beginning of that post was for Andy and James
not yourself

Gary Willock
112 Posted 16/06/2021 at 07:51:15
Been out for a pint a few times with a client who is ex professional who played under Martinez at Wigan. He swears to this day we were nuts to get rid. He says the man simply eats, drinks and sleeps football. He’d apparently watch matches until midnight and come in trying new things in training all the time. He genuinely loves the game.

What I recall was an idealist who would have rather gone down in flames than have been forced to change his formation and tippy tappy approach. Other teams had simply sussed how to counter it, and it became almost maddening to know exactly what was going to happen.

The big question is whether his obsession with the game led to him learning from that, and whether he is now willing to adapt when it isn’t going right?

Belgium started with his old 4-2-3-1 in opening game. It’ll be interesting to see if he sticks with it when the tougher games come and/or if they start losing……

Colin Glassar
113 Posted 16/06/2021 at 07:55:19
Do we (Everton) have no sense of shame? Benitez might install some sense of tactical discipline and stamina into the team but he publicly embarrassed us in front of the world.

I despair over the Moshiri/Kenwright regime. Two bumbling amateurs who are taking us nowhere fast.

Anthony Murphy
114 Posted 16/06/2021 at 07:57:42
Each to their own but advocating a return for Martinez? I think I’ll leave TW for a bit and switch back on in a few months when some sort of sanity had hopefully resumed
James Newcombe
115 Posted 16/06/2021 at 07:58:50
I’m still in the Potter camp. Though I like the idea of NES and the connection to the best young talent in Portugal, the more I think about it. Both of those could potentially stick around a while and build something.

Forget Rafa, I don’t think he’s a right fit at all. I find the Roberto calls a bit ridiculous - he’s a cup manager, that’s it. Nice bloke, but once we were found out the problems began. Being 3-0 up with 20 minutes to go; and not being certain of the points wasn’t good for my heart!

Joe McMahon
116 Posted 16/06/2021 at 08:16:13
Colin, it's got to the stage where I would have Satan as manager, if he could coach our players to pass a ball forwards, run with the ball, and shoot. We need goals.

Worryingly none of this has been addressed at Finch Farm for a long time. Like many of us, I'm sick to my back teeth of negative hanging on to a one-goal lead football. 3-4 seasons aside under Joe and Roberto, that is all we have had in nearly 30 years of the Premier League.

Sam Hoare
117 Posted 16/06/2021 at 08:28:59
Benitez, uuurghh.

Just go all guns for Galtier! He’s the only one who seems to have excited the majority of Evertonians and his record is pretty faultless. So far!

Failing that I still think Potter would get us playing the sort of football that Evertonians would very much appreciate. High energy, attacking football with young players that is not all Eddie Howe/Roberto Martinez in defense.

Most of all, let Brands choose! Love him or loathe him he is at least a dedicated football professional unlike Moshiri and Kenwright.

Jake Lucas
118 Posted 16/06/2021 at 08:30:29
Be nice to be 3-0 up with 20 minutes to go, though, James. I forgot how that felt.
Jake Lucas
119 Posted 16/06/2021 at 08:36:14
Has anyone else seen the leaked photo of Nuno in an Everton tracksuit in the Titanic last night? Always difficult to know whether it's fake... seems real but then these guys are excellent on photoshop these days.
Jerome Shields
120 Posted 16/06/2021 at 08:49:50
Gosh, the longer this manager recruitment process goes on, the more desperate are the choices being posted. Trying to find improvement in shambolic managers. This must reflect a desperate manager recruitment group at Everton. There does not seem to be a coherent plan for the recruitment of a manager, since the range, though limit, has big variations in manager type.
Danny O’Neill
121 Posted 16/06/2021 at 09:00:14
Aside from making me smile with use of the word 'gosh', Jerome – a word I've not thought of using in years (!!!) – that is such a valid point.

What is the strategy? What type of team and club do we want to be? As much as we have started laying the foundations at BMD, we need to start shaping the foundations of the team we want to play there. When we decide that, then target options that can deliver on that strategy.

My desperate forlorn hope is that the reason for this delay is that the club is thinking strategically for once.

Cue laughter and ridicule.

Robert Tressell
122 Posted 16/06/2021 at 09:05:41
Jerome, it's a good observation. It's as though we've been patiently waiting our turn for years for a good manager to sort things out. We're yet again looking for a new manager to drive the improvement.

The harsh reality, as Ancelotti put it, is that this is like waiting for a magician not a manager.

I agree with Sam that Galtier & Potter seem like a good fit (I put Santo in that camp too). But none of these guys are going to have Everton rocketing up the league into the Top 4 any time soon.

A good manager could make a difference in the early years of the Premier League (maybe before) but the competitive advantage to the 4 most expensively assembled squads is now so huge that it's not going to happen – at least not overnight.

The only way someone like Potter could do it is by working with Brands to overhaul a failed squad and build something to really compete in the 2023-24 season. That's a difficult strategy to adopt for a club that's made a habit of losing managers after 18 months.

Craig Walker
123 Posted 16/06/2021 at 09:16:23
I’ll get my tin hat on but I’d be okay with Benitez at Everton. There, I’ve said it.

The guy has won things. That is what we need. Too often, we make choices as a club for sentimental reasons. I think Benitez did well at Newcastle with the resources he was given.

My ideal choice would be Galtier or Rangnick.

Mark Murphy
124 Posted 16/06/2021 at 09:33:14
I thought he was Ratha Beneathus??

It's a big No from me.

Nailed on then – Murphy's law was named after me.

UTFT

Alan J Thompson
125 Posted 16/06/2021 at 10:33:09
What in hell seems to be causing the delay!

On this basis there must be somebody we haven't considered as I can't believe that either Nuno or Benitez could possibly need this much research into their history. If it is between these two then it has to be the Portugeezer.

The only other reason I can see is that there is either problems in the Boardroom, Bill wants to wait until the 1st of a month in his usual penny pinching manner or it's a national manager still involved with the Euros but as Mike Gaynes points out, why would the Manager of the highest ranked national team, or any high ranking national side, leave less than 18 months before the World Cup?

My hope is an as yet unconsidered (by us) third choice either at the Euros or we are in negotiation to buy him out of wherever he is now.

David Pearl
126 Posted 16/06/2021 at 10:46:42
Jake @115, it's a fake. Makes you look twice but then you see how the beard is cut around.

Hopefully the Fat Spanish Waiter stories are also fake. Either that or Kenwright has memory lapses... and Mosh hasn't a clue.

I've looked at the fixtures out this morning but, if that gobshite is our manager, l won't be watching.

Michael Kenrick
127 Posted 16/06/2021 at 10:48:05
Interesting that this story has now merited a piece at the BBC website, possibly elevating it a little above the Rumour Mill?

Rafael Benitez and Nuno Espirito Santo in running for Toffees job

Sheds no further light, but puts Rafa and Nuno on a par with other unnamed candidates as the saga continues to drag on and on...

How's the betting looking now???

Danny O’Neill
128 Posted 16/06/2021 at 10:57:11
Whether you like him or not (I do), McNulty doesn't often speculate in my experience. Although, he does leave this one open and vague, as you say, Michael, with the "cast a wide net" comment.

Paddy Power just told me "sorry we can't find that one". I feel dejected as we are obviously nothing to them, but I'm probably not the best one to ask for finding betting odds.

Jerome Shields
129 Posted 16/06/2021 at 11:16:03
Robert #118,

I think they are looking for a 'big name' manager who is not going to demand radical change at Everton. Ance!otti took the job and it was accepted that his backroom team would fit in. It took six months after Anchelotti's appointment for a final announcement to be made regarding their positions.

So you have Moshiri, the owner, looking a big name and Kenwright, the Chairman, not looking for radical change. The others in the selection process are falling into either of these camps. It's a battle between the perceptions of these two sides. Benitez is the Joker: though a big name he will agree to not implementing radical change.

I prefer Nuno who seems to stand up for his principles and thought he would be a compromise for both camps, but he is looking for change. I would not be surprised that Moshiri is working on an unrevealed big name.

Potter is good and everything you and Sam say is right, but he isn't within a shout of the criteria, I believe, of these two camps.

Imo, the Everton objective is to build on Anchlotti's analysis and plan, and this is part of the selection criteria. They believe they have the framework in place and a backroom team built up over 20 years to help the new manager to implement it and take it forward.

I also think that they did not think Ancelotti had the right skill fit to work with the Everton backroom structure and players and have convinced themselves of this. Ancelotti's public comments regarding skill and effort meant that he was beaten and the response he got as a result confirmed it.

The Everton establishment believe that they should be in the Top 4, but the whole culture of Everton is midtable and maybe a European spot.

For me, the promotion of Brands and the recent reinforcement of the establishment means that radical changes are not going to come anytime soon.

Tony Abrahams
130 Posted 16/06/2021 at 11:21:47
I heard last week that Moshiri and Usmanov both like Benítez and had already spoken to him three times but Kenwright was warning them against it. That's why his name was released to the press, so they could gauge the fans' reaction.

I do think appointing Benítez will cause a lot more outrage than they could possibly realise, though, but life is full of irony...

If Rafa did get the job and won Everton a trophy, just watching how the fans celebrate will make him realise he couldn't have been further from the truth when he called Everton a small club – but only because of its great supporters!

Barry Hesketh
131 Posted 16/06/2021 at 11:31:07
Tony ~126,

I've heard and read the exact opposite: Moshiri wants Nuno, Kenwright wants Benitez. It would seem that the attractiveness of Everton has waned and, seeing as how Ancelotti left us in the lurch so quickly and his contacts within the football world, it might put off any would-be candidates.

We'll never get the truth of the matter but it's pretty obvious we don't have too many choices. If Nuno doesn't arrive, I think they'll sell Benitez to the fans with Big Dunc as his assistant.

Nick Bower
132 Posted 16/06/2021 at 11:35:41
Dunderheads at loggerheads
Conor Skelly
133 Posted 16/06/2021 at 11:41:49
The Rafa-fact of the matter is that he is the most qualified person for the job. For that reason and that reason alone, 7/2 is a great bet.
Martin Nicholls
134 Posted 16/06/2021 at 11:46:10
MK #123,

Nuno 1/2 (had been 1/20), Spanish Waiter 7/2,14/1 bar.

Like Jerome, my own guess is that Moshiri is working on a "big name".

Personally, I'd go for Unai Emery, a man who works well with a DoF, knows how to win trophies, has Premier League experience, and has something to prove in the Premier League, so would be motivated. A realistic target.

Danny O’Neill
135 Posted 16/06/2021 at 11:48:00
Thanks Tony and Barry. So with those thoughts in mind, it would equate to having the manger equivalent of that Koeman / Walsh / Kenwright transfer fiasco a few seasons ago. Spraygun and incoherent.

Having been put through this for weeks, just like waiting for a bus, we're going to end up with 3 managers when this is over with Moshiri, Brands and Kenwright all looking at each other confused.

Just as I was calming and convincing myself the club were taking their time because they were thinking with a strategy for the future.

What time is it?

Steve Brown
136 Posted 16/06/2021 at 11:50:53
Suggest the following decision process for manager - the DoF recommends the best candidate, the owner makes the final decision and the chairman serves the sherry.
Brian Murray
137 Posted 16/06/2021 at 11:57:00
Steve. Would he even get the Sherry call right or plump for a bottle of sovereign from Iceland!
Danny O’Neill
138 Posted 16/06/2021 at 12:01:10
I know they'll go and blow this out of the water by announcing Benitez this afternoon, but are we waiting for and in negotiation with an international manager who is going to announce his departure after the Euros?

That's not cryptic for Martinez, there will likely be a few.

Brian Murray
139 Posted 16/06/2021 at 12:06:49
Only defence Martinez knows about separates his garden from next door. Forget that deluded idiot
Gary Willock
140 Posted 16/06/2021 at 12:09:53
If all the rumours of boardroom squables are correct, then no wonder we've had 5 managers in 5 years. the job is simply impossible. Perhaps the managers we've had are not actually as bad as we all thought, and it is just easier to blame them. Their current positions in world football (Marco and Fat Sam aside) would suggest that's likely true.

Given it is highly unlikely Moshiri has the time or inclination to stop Brands wanting to select and buy most of the players, and/or stop Bill from wanting the old Everton brigade in the backroom . then perhaps it's best we embrace it and look for a man most likely to accept that situation and work WITH IT not against it.

I very much doubt that's Nuno, and I doubt it would be Rafa either. For me, it's gotta be Duncan, surrounded closely by people like Tim Cahill and perhaps even bringing back other stallwarts like Phil Neville and Jags into the coaching team. Let brands buy the players, and the others create an environment they enjoy.

It's a big risk to 'embrace being Everton' but it's just as big as one to give a new manager his own backroom and 50% of the player buys too. Roll the dice.

Howard Sykes
141 Posted 16/06/2021 at 12:17:06
Mark Ryan (13),

You are right we so need to hire someone, but not just anyone.

Jonathan Tasker
142 Posted 16/06/2021 at 12:24:10
You might have thought that the club would appoint someone and then they would say to the new manager to make a list of targets from Euro 2020.

But we are talking Everton here. We are not talking about a professional business.

David Nicholls
143 Posted 16/06/2021 at 12:25:54
Regarding Martinez, I can’t help but feel that his personality it far better suited to international football.

His relentless positivity is effective in small doses but over a 40-50 game season can come across as insincere.
I remember him describing a draw at Crystal Palace as ‘phenomenal’!

I’d be ok with NES, Rafa or Howe.

Andrew Ellams
144 Posted 16/06/2021 at 12:39:00
It would make sense if Martinez moved on after the Euros. He will done a complete international cycle, his team's ageing and will probably need some rebuilding with players who don't match up to what he has right now so maybe he'll want a new challenge.

Hopefully somewhere else though.

Mick O'Malley
145 Posted 16/06/2021 at 13:09:59
Please do not hire Rafa, we’ve just endured 18 months of turgid uninspiring football, we need someone to unite behind not an ex RS who will have the fans split, come on Moshiri don’t let us down again
Mark Ryan
146 Posted 16/06/2021 at 13:13:24
Howard @137,

I wasn't saying "Just hire anyone", I was saying "Hire Benitez". Take the bile and hatred out of the equation and he's a talented manager. He's not had an opportunity like this for many years and I thought at the time that he was a better choice than Martinez, Koeman, Silva or Allardyce, and I've said this before.

I get that the vast majority have been very upset and offended by him and what he has said but I haven't been. I take little offence to name-calling etc, it's water off a duck's back to me. I'm after a worker and I think he'd be a good fit for us.

Don't worry about what I'm spouting about anyway, he won't get it. If they wanted him, he would have been hired by now because he'd bite our hands off if the job was offered. I think there is something afoot and I'm not sure what, so don't worry, he won't get it.

Kieran Kinsella
147 Posted 16/06/2021 at 13:15:59
Barry Fry says Kenwright is “gutted” Carlo left and would have “dug into his pocket” to back him this summer. Does anyone believe either of those statements?
Jerome Shields
148 Posted 16/06/2021 at 13:17:31
Tony#126

That's interesting. Surprised that Bill does not want him, obviously thinks he will be difficult to manage, which would be a plus point with me. We all have our suspicions of Benitez. Bill does not believe him, thinking it would be different when Benitez gets his feet under the table.

A Spanish Waiter is always worth watching: professional, knowledgeable, and always in control of the situation. The fact he has always had his base in Liverpool will make him acutely aware of how he is perceived.

He stuck with Newcastle when they went down. Not many Big Name managers would have done that.

David Israel
149 Posted 16/06/2021 at 13:19:24
Soren #101, Nuno's loyalties are, first and foremost, I'm afraid, to his agent, and not to the club who pays his wages.

At Porto, so I'm told, he sidelined Ruben Neves, only to sign him on the cheap for Wolves, the following season.

His coaching skills notwithstanding, I think we should steer well clear of him.

Kieran Kinsella
150 Posted 16/06/2021 at 13:20:00
Danny is right. McNulty usually keeps his powder dry until he has some real information. How depressing.
Danny O’Neill
151 Posted 16/06/2021 at 13:23:19
I know who I'd like and I've said it enough so will spare the repeat. I also doubt the club would go there or whether they'd be interested. In fact it's not doubt, they just wouldn't.

I know I don't want Benitez or Eddie Howe and would consider Nuno the best of an unambitious list. But maybe that's where we are.

As has been said on many occasions here, the consensus amongst us fans seems to that most are more settled on who they don't want and a lot of them are on the rumour list. If that is to be believed.

Si Cooper
152 Posted 16/06/2021 at 13:26:07
“You might have thought that the club would appoint someone and then they would say to the new manager to make a list of targets from Euro 2020.”

Er, actually I'd be pretty livid if that was the way the club handled this situation. I hope that the club already has a list of possible new recruits that would be shown to a candidate late in the recruitment stage for their feedback.

Also, I'd want any serious targets who are appearing in the tournament to be well and truly courted by now (subject to medical / work permit, etc). Isn't that the whole point of employing Brands?

Then I'd ask the new manager for a shortlist of his personal ‘wildcards' for consideration.

Jerome Shields
153 Posted 16/06/2021 at 13:29:11
Benitez is the Joker in the pack.
Geoff Lambert
154 Posted 16/06/2021 at 13:32:34
Should we learn to boo in Spanish or Portuguese.
Soren Moyer
155 Posted 16/06/2021 at 13:41:39
David # 101.

I myself am not excited about hiring Nuno either. He is in the "Meh" category for me. Just hoping that the delay is due to the fact that we are still negotiating with the Galtier - Ten Hag team. One can only hope!

Martin Mason
156 Posted 16/06/2021 at 14:37:58
Parker or Potter for me. Confident low risk, younger men who've had success with getting good performances from relatively weak teams and whose success is in the future. Neither will solve all of the Everton problems because to do that BK and his Crony culture need to go. A simple change of manager isn't enough now.
Kieran Kinsella
157 Posted 16/06/2021 at 14:45:51
Martin

" low risk, younger men who've had success with getting good performances"

How do you define "low risk"? I imagine Potter would be expensive just in the sense of paying off his Brighton deal. The risk is what? that he doesn't get top 6? I'd say anyone is a risk in that respect. But I also think there's the scarier risk of relegation. Potter have survived by the skin of his teeth has the edge there over Parker.

Now, I am not saying these guys are useless. There are reasons to think they could do well. But given our aspirations, I'd say it would be a huge leap of faith to take either. One has managed a yoyo team, the other a basement dweller. I'd sooner seem them hone their skills at a larger club before taking the plunge

Steve Shave
158 Posted 16/06/2021 at 14:53:21
Scott Parker should be the new Everton manager!!!????? Well I'm glad we got that cleared up. FFS just give it to the big man until Christmas and see what he can do.
Bill Gall
159 Posted 16/06/2021 at 15:10:41
What are we looking for ? (a) a new manager or (b ) a politician. Who cares what Benitez said when managing Liverpool, he was not there to praise other teams he was there to encourage his own team. Before doubting the mans abilities I suggest those against him look at his record on Wikipedia.
We want a manager that has started from the bottom and worked his way up to build successful sides and Benitez fits that criteria.
My own view is, who is the best available, with contract demands that suit the club. Surely the club has a list and is taking its time to find the best manager available of getting success on the playing side, and not someone who has made negative comments about the club previously.
Comments do not win games it is the players on the pitch and the managers tactics and game plan. Just get someone in to start the season.
Tony Abrahams
160 Posted 16/06/2021 at 15:19:13
Barry@127, did you read this in a paper or on a website? Or did it come via some other way?
Kieran Kinsella
161 Posted 16/06/2021 at 15:19:35
Bill 155

I don't care about his comments. I am more worried about his performance. Newcastle fans loved him but I think they were dazzled by his reputation. The same fans hounded Alan Pardew out of there who kept them out of trouble and even got into Europe, and had no money to spend at all. Benitez spent big there and poorly. The football was dull than dish water. It's a long time since he was a top manager and even then, he couldn't sustain it anywhere for long.

Craig Harrison
162 Posted 16/06/2021 at 15:34:12
Benitez had a net spend of -£11 million at newcastle. Doesn't seem so bad. A lot of his signings are considered a success still.
Paul Smith
163 Posted 16/06/2021 at 15:37:25
Benitez for me. Make it happen, only a matter of time.
Stephen Vincent
164 Posted 16/06/2021 at 15:39:18
I would be devastated if we turned to the fat Spanish waiter, I mean seriously.

But I think we need to ask the question about Nuno, isn't he the lazy (and cheap) option? Would we be beating a path to Wolves door if he wasn't available, I very much doubt it.

The possibility that Buffalo Bill can still influence this decision amazes me. How awfully amateurish how typically Everton under that clown.

Eddie Dunn
165 Posted 16/06/2021 at 15:45:55
At the moment I can fully believe Barry @127, who thinks it will be Benitez with Dunc as assistant as a "sweetener" to the fans.
It could be worse.
My own choice is another ex-red, but I doubt we could tempt Rodgers from his happy family at Cup-winning Leicester City.
Kieran Kinsella
166 Posted 16/06/2021 at 15:48:11
Craig

Here are the red flags:

At Real Madrid: "he was dismissed following allegations of unpopularity with supporters, displeasure with players"

At Newcastle: "Ashley criticised Benítez following his departure, stating that Benítez's demands made it impossible for him to remain as manager."

At Inter: Inherited champions of Europe, slumped to sixth in the league, said the team weren't good enough and demanded new signings. Then got sacked as the team were until he came, more than good enough.

At Liverpool: Oversaw Liverpool's worst run in 22 years

At Valencia: Benítez fell out with Jesús García Pitarch, the club's director of football, over control of new signings

At Valladolid 17 pct win rate, Osasuna 27 pct, Dalian 31 pct.

Pretty much every club he goes to, he has issues with the players, wants to spend more money than the club have, then blames transfer policy for his failings. He at best keeps good clubs close to where they were, and poorer clubs get worse.

Jay Harris
167 Posted 16/06/2021 at 15:52:32
There are 3 choices for me:
Galtier, Conte, Ten Hag in that order.

If this board is that useless that they cant manage to get one of those 3 then we might as well appoint big Dunc and have a board restructure.

Nuno is underwhelming and Benitez is just beneath us and has not impressed wherever he has been in recent years.

Barry Hesketh
168 Posted 16/06/2021 at 16:14:02
Tony @156,

Sorry for the delay in replying, I've spent the whole of the second half of the Russia game trying to find the link to what I read, either the buggers have altered their story or I have failed to locate what I read.

I read it on one of the click-bait sites and it quoted Dominic King as the source, shortly before you posted, which is why I replied.

Anyway, the latest thing I read is that Moshiri wants to push ahead with Benitez to the chagrin of Brands, as Derek and Clive live noted "What a way to run a bloody ballroom!"

This isn't what I had read earlier but it shows where Kenwright stands if true!

Speaking on the Transfer Window Podcast, Duncan Castles has claimed that Bill Kenwright is pushing for Rafa Benitez to become the new Everton manager after David Moyes signed a new contract at West Ham.

Castles reported last week that Kenwright wasn't against the idea of pushing Benitez, but his first choice has always been to get Moyes back to Goodison Park.

However, after the option of appointing Moyes was taken off the table when he signed his new West Ham deal, and now Kenwright is actively pushing for Benitez.

James Flynn
169 Posted 16/06/2021 at 16:19:20
"I've heard and read the exact opposite: Moshiri wants Nuno, Kenwright wants Benitez."

Then Nuno it will be.

Kenwright has no power, nous, or opinion Moshiri needs to listen to. Or even acknowledge.

Kevin Molloy
170 Posted 16/06/2021 at 16:20:52
Is there a more ridiculous trio in world football than Kewright, Moshiri and Brands? They can't agree what day it is, and have presided over £400m disappearing down the plughole. They'd better make a decision soon or both candidates will tell us to Fuck Off.
Barry Hesketh
171 Posted 16/06/2021 at 16:21:34
James @165

Kenwright has the power to disrupt if nothing else, and who is it that keeps leaking information to the media?

Jim Harrison
172 Posted 16/06/2021 at 16:43:13
I have read a few posts on the various manager threads saying Bobby was chased out too early.

This is utter crap. By the time he was put out of his misery the team was rudderless and took it upon themselves in a semi final to change tactics!!

He had alienated himself by taking one of the clubs best players and trying to stamp his authority by making an example of him.

He had a good season. Followed by two terrible seasons with odd highlights. He had plenty of time to turn things around and stuck to his guns to a point of ridiculousness.

He's done well with Belgium, and I wouldn't discount him returning now he has gained some valuable experience, but he certainly had to go, perhaps should have been moved out earlier.

I hope it's not Rafa. Not because he isn't a decent coach, I am sure he could get around top 7 or so. But he is never going to win over the fans. Newcastle fans loved him because he was better than they thought they could get, just like Carlo at Everton. Chelsea fans hated him because of his Liverpool days, and even though he steadied the ship and won them a cup they wanted him out. He needs to be loved, and he will never be loved at Everton. He also makes a habit of pissing off owners.

Would love Conte. It wouldn't last long but it would be fun.


Bill Gall
173 Posted 16/06/2021 at 16:45:44
Kieran @162,

At Liverpool, oversaw Liverpool's worst run in 22 years.

You can also say at Liverpool from 2004 until 2010, played 350 games, lost 79, and had a winning percentage of 55.4% At that time, he was in conflict with the owners who Liverpool supporters got rid of.

I have an open mind on who Everton sign as a manager and will back whoever it is; I just want them to make sure they get the best available – not a rumour.

Mick O'Malley
174 Posted 16/06/2021 at 16:47:48
Kenwright should keep his nose out of the managerial appointments. If he is really pushing for Benitez, then he deserves every bit of abuse he will get. Mind you, Moshiri is just proving to be as bad at picking managers.

This is so depressing; I will be absolutely gutted if we appoint Rafa.

Christopher Timmins
175 Posted 16/06/2021 at 16:51:19
Can we have less hysteria about some of the candidates. We are not all going to be happy whoever the manager is but this idea that people are done with the club if a particular candidate gets the job is not on. If you support the club, then – whoever the next manager is – he should be supported and given every chance to improve things.

We had the same hysteria when it was mooted back in late 2019 that Moyes was coming back.

Be it Rafa or Nuno, I will be supporting them.

Kieran Kinsella
176 Posted 16/06/2021 at 16:57:27
Bill,

I will ultimately support whoever it is, be it President Assad, Bielzelbul, Gerrard. I have no choice. I can't support the team and the not the manager. I just hope it's not Rafa.

Tony Abrahams
177 Posted 16/06/2021 at 17:25:19
Maybe the powers that be have finally had enough of Bill Kenwright, and are starting to release a few little untruths themselves? Highly unlikely with him just being admitted onto another board regarding the stadium at Bramley-Moore Dock, but I can't see him wanting Benitez.

I've also been told that both Moshiri and Usmanov quite like Rafa, but again this is nothing but pure speculation on my part, because it's nothing more than a guessing game up to now!

Conor McCourt
178 Posted 16/06/2021 at 17:26:53
Kieran@162- excellent post.

It's funny how we all see things differently. Over 50% want Galtier after Lyndon's article. Personally I think this would be a crazy appointment because if anyone suggested him last year he would be laughed out of town.

They win the French title primarily because PSG exploded under Tuchel and they finished top in a tight league where four teams fought out a close finish. I think back to Paul Le Guen at Rangers who won three successive French titles at a canter before becoming a joke figure at Ibrox.

Kieran Kinsella
179 Posted 16/06/2021 at 17:42:34
Conor

Good point on Le Guen. Similar with Garde and Puel. I'd say it's a red flag that Lille were happy for Galthier to leave, as they announced mid season for mediocre Nice. Then they decide to hold him to his contract after the fact just to cash in on his surprise success. Also reminds me of a fellow named Wim Jansen at Celtic. Won the league to end Rangers' long run of dominance then left and sank into oblivion. Based on that one season he was awesome, obviously there was more to the story.

Soren Moyer
180 Posted 16/06/2021 at 17:56:26
Tony, 156,
I think Barry means this:
https://www.goodisonnews.com/2021/06/16/bill-kenwright-pushes-for-everton-to-hire-rafa-benitez-as-fractures-emerge-behind-the-scenes/
Ian Bennett
181 Posted 16/06/2021 at 18:32:38
TalkSport claiming Rafa is near to signing. Breaking news...
Ray Roche
182 Posted 16/06/2021 at 18:34:27
The FSW is about to be confirmed as manager.

FFS!

Thomas Richards
183 Posted 16/06/2021 at 18:40:29
The FSW is about to be confirmed as manager."

Now would you take Martinez? ,"The FSW is about to be confirmed as manager."

Now would you take Martinez? ,,,1,18:39:57,,213.205.242.248,ok,,06/16/2021 18:39:57,Tomrichards2@outlook.com,reader,,,no 1166039,40914,toffeeweb,16/06/2021,Martin Mason,masonmart@aol.com,"Kieran correct but are you denying the right of a poster to make a comment on another poster if he happens to consistently demean the club? I certainly hope that isn't the case? Btw, I didn't raise the insult Boorish. I just added without class or intellect. I'll do my best to not do that.

Jamie Crowley
184 Posted 16/06/2021 at 18:42:08
I swear to God, if we hire Benitez I'll go mental.
Ray Roche
185 Posted 16/06/2021 at 18:43:45
Thomas, I would take Fat Sam before Benitez now. Colours to the mast, I don’t want him but I hope he proves me wrong.
Christy Ring
186 Posted 16/06/2021 at 18:45:02
Conor #174,

Good point on Galthier.
Bill should have no say in the new manager, he sold his majority shares, and Benitez's CV over the last 10 years is abysmal.

Jamie Crowley
187 Posted 16/06/2021 at 18:47:41
It's not done, it's rumo(u)r Ray!

I'd rather Beelzabub get appointed than Benitez.

We officially have zero pride if we appoint this guy. Zero. It's mortifying and embarrassing we'll go to a man who managed them and called us a small club.

Just no pride. Sickening. If this happens I'll be beside myself.

Kieran Kinsella
188 Posted 16/06/2021 at 18:49:20
Jim White is Tweeting it now too. Funnily enough, my brother in-law is a sports journo who knows one of the board. He told me the day Carlo left that Rafa would be next. I laughed and have continued to laugh up until now.
Kieran Kinsella
189 Posted 16/06/2021 at 18:51:11
Nuno fell through cause BK told him his check would clear in the morning.
Ray Roche
190 Posted 16/06/2021 at 18:55:27
Jamie @25,

I hope to God you’re right and talkSport are talking shite.

Tony Abrahams
191 Posted 16/06/2021 at 18:56:41
I read something like that a few days ago Soren, and that’s why I asked Barry, where he had got his information from mate. I don’t know for an absolute fact, but I was told Benitez, was having his third interview with Everton, around this time last week, but then at the weekend I read an article stating that sky’s Vinny O’Connor, said Everton, hadn’t even spoken to him.

Speculating again, but the only way Kenwright would want Benitez imo, is if it was the only way Duncan Ferguson, could stay on at Everton, but I’m not sure any of us no anything, and when my source asked his mate was Rafa still in the frame because his nephew, was waiting on a big bet, the reply was tell him I’ll buy half the bet.

Jamie Crowley
192 Posted 16/06/2021 at 18:59:03
Can someone more familiar with these things tell me / us what the odds have gone to with the bookies on Benitez?

Curious.

Barry Hesketh
193 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:01:21
Soren @176,

Thanks, pal, I searched all over the place for that, missing the second half of the Russia game too (didn't miss a lot). Nuno must have been asking for the earth and a say in transfers for Benitez to have a chance of the Goodison gig.

Martin Nicholls
194 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:01:37
Jamie - Benitez now 1/3. Santo 6/1.
Andrew Ellams
195 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:03:00
Ray, where has that come from?
Ray Roche
196 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:05:55
TalkSport interrupted their commentary to say that they understand Benitez is to be named Everton manager.
Brian Harrison
197 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:06:35
Jim White at talksport who seems to be on Moshiris whats app group is saying that Everton are to announce Benitez as manager. Moshiri you are clueless, if you think Allardyce was resented by Evertonians you aint seen nothing if you appoint Benitez.
Benn Chambers
198 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:07:46
All the people fuming over Nuno. I bet he’s looking rather appealing now isn’t he.
Neil Copeland
199 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:08:06
Odds are shortening by the hour it seems: Rafa 2/9, Nuno 6/1 next after that is Ralph Rangnick at 25/1.

Suggests the bookies are pretty convinced to me.

David Pearl
200 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:09:48
Have I died and gone to hell?
Anthony Murphy
201 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:10:08
Where does this leave Brands if true? Benitez likes total control of football matters
James Flynn
202 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:11:13
Benitez's name has been floating around. Is the Echo reliable?
Barry Hesketh
203 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:11:26
Don't panic, lads, it's only as the canteen manager and silver service head-waiter on match-days...

(Oh God! what have we done again!)

But the upside is he will have a lot to prove and, if he can motivate our players, who knows?

Johan Elmgren
204 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:11:45
No no no NO NO! Not the fat spanish waiter!
Rob Halligan
205 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:12:19
SSN now saying he's been offered the job. Looks like a done deal to me!
Paul Hewitt
206 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:12:54
Welcome to Everton Rafa.
Paul Swan
207 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:13:16
At least there won’t be a banner with Benitez picture on it up the side of Goodison - they couldn’t find a tarpaulin big enough
Brian Williams
208 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:15:14
Of all the available managers what the fuck qualifies him to be our next manager, apart from living fucking local?
Gutted if true.

He'll be on the phone to Carragher laughing his fucking head off.

James Flynn
209 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:16:35
Okay. Sky Sports has it. Could be Moshiri tipping off his buddy Jim White.
Barry Rathbone
210 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:18:28
What a great laugh this club is
Alan Johnson
211 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:18:44
Can't believe this. Shite Manager - Shite club. Thats the end for me after 64 years loving the blues, I feel like I've been ditched. It's over for me.
John Crawley
212 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:18:55
Just say NO NO NO! Past his best and never the same since his assistant Pako Ayesteran left him. Football has moved on and Benitez is a defensive minded manager. It'll be George Graham being appointed to the Spurs job all over again, never accepted by the fans and one bad run away from the crowd turning on him.
Tom Harvey
213 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:20:24
Could it be that our squad is so bad that it's frightening away any decent managers, that is unless the club agrees big funds for the new manager.

Any manager with half a football brain has looked what Ancelotti went through and thought, no thanks.

Beneathus, Dunc and maybe a few odds and sods here and there are the only viable candidates.

Paul Smith
214 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:20:56
Happy with this - good move. Sensible, lives local, good pedigree and might think he’s unlucky not to have been approached before Carlo.
Anthony Murphy
215 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:23:07
Another lazy appointment.

I think this is Moshiri not Kenwright personally.

Live forum time?

Matthew Williams
216 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:23:09
Please don't ruin my day, Everton, for fuck's sake!

RedShite Rafa... NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

Kenny Smith
217 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:23:09
I’m absolutely fucking livid. The people’s club…..well listen to the people not Kenwright Moshiri. If you won’t now you will next season when it goes tits up. I’ll have to bring a cushion from home to lob from the main stand after he’s lost 2 in a row at home.

Rob Halligan
218 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:23:29
Danny # 134, remember this.............

I know they'll go and blow this out of the water by announcing Benitez this afternoon, but are we waiting for and in negotiation with an international manager who is going to announce his departure after the Euros?

Have you got this weekend's lottery numbers?

Ray Roche
219 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:23:30
Paul, my sister’s dog is sensible, lives locally and has a good pedigree.

Shite manager though.

Paul Hewitt
220 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:23:37
For God sake calm down. We were never going to get a manager everyone wanted. The list of names wasn't very good. Rafa is probably the best of a bad bunch. Just get behind him and he may surprise us.
Jim Bennings
221 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:24:31
We need to back the new manager, whether that is Rafa Benitez (as it looks done) or not.

Yes he's got a past history with Liverpool but so what, Peter Beardsley didn't do too badly for Everton did he?

As for the "small team" jibe, it came as a heat of the moment lapse because we had frustrated them in the derby twice that season and that was then, this is now.

Give him a chance to redeem those words, there's no way he's going to take a job and be a deliberate failure.

Pat Kelly
222 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:24:57
Rafa is now on the verge. Local lad done well.
Colin Glassar
223 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:25:15
Not bothered anymore tbh. Moshiri and kenshite are embarrassing us as both are a pair of inept tw@ts. They know sweet FA about football and are digging us into an even bigger hole.

If it is the FSW then I wish him all the best. He’d better win the treble next season or he can fuck off!!!!!

Fran Mitchell
224 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:25:26
I seriously can't fucking believe we are offering him the job.

This has got to be some joke.

He's past-it, arrogant, plays boring football, done nothing in years, demands huge budget, doesn't develop young players and he's a fucking redshite.

Fuck this shit.

Moshiri: Time to get the fuck out of our club.

Ed Fitzgerald
225 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:25:50
Neville Southall was on the radio earlier and was adamant he shouldn’t be appointed. They clearly don’t give a fuck about the fans I give up.
Kris Boner
226 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:26:17
Not to sound hyperbolic but I will flat out refuse to watch an Everton managed by the Fat Spanish Waiter.

Not only is the football going to be turgid, conservative guff, but I think he's a right detestable bloke as well.

Brian Williams
227 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:27:01
Ask yourselves. Would them lot EVER hire an ex Everton manager?
There's the difference.
Michael Kenrick
228 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:27:48
Well, I think Tony Abrahams's passionate desire for a 'united' fanbase – which I have openly snorted at because I think it is a ridiculous concept – may well be dealt a mortal blow here if there is any truth to this.

What an astounding way to divide the fanbase!!! But it means lots of angry debate on ToffeeWeb. Which is always a lot of fun.

Perhaps I should declare a vested interest...

Barry Hesketh
229 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:28:48
I reckon somebody at Everton put a rather large sum of money on a double of Allardyce and Benitez being appointed Everton manager within five years, at fantastic odds back in 2016. Who's next Dalgliesh?
Soren Moyer
230 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:28:58
Galtier's leaving Lille has nothing to do with the club wanted to get rid of him ffs! He has fallen out with the new owner because he wants to sell any player with saleable value.
Also he is not another Le Guen. This huy builds a decent team from whatever is available to him and his teams play an expansive footy. Paul Le Guen belongs to a different era where PSG was another team like Nice, Lyon, etc before they were bought by sheik whatever his name is.
Colin Glassar
231 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:30:29
Sick as a parrot with this but that bunch of useless wasters at finch farm won’t know what’s hit them when Rafa the gaffer rolls in.

He’ll get them fit and organised. There’ll be no arm around their shoulders. No cuddles or shared fags. In fact, he just might get them playing as a team. I’m still gutted though.

Barry Hesketh
232 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:30:36
Imagine if Rafa turns the club down after being offered the job, or would that be a good outcome?
Kieran Kinsella
233 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:31:16
Next we will have Admiral Donitz as commander of the Royal Navy
Brian Harrison
234 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:32:00
He has been out of work since Jan after leaving Chinese side Dalian Yifang, not even Mike Ashley wanted him back. Steve Bruce has accumulated more points than Him. Moshiri/Usmanov take your money and fuck off out of our club, there is no up side, you have slowly turned my club into a joke and if the rumours are right you are about to make us an even bigger joke. This man has done nothing for years, and some think he is the best option wow if thats true then this club have sunk to new depths. I would imagine Moshiri is not planning a visit to Liverpool from Monaco any time soon as he will find his reception very hostile.
Paul Smith
235 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:32:20
We’ve had Hollywood managers who fucked off with the first bit of minge that turned their head, we’ve had flavour of the month managers who nearly took us down, we’ve had past stars as a mangers who preferred golf than organising a football team, we’ve had mangers that can go on cup runs that were shite and talked shite, we’ve tried everything.

Is Rafa boring, yes, an ex RS yes, but he is steady and that’s what we need for a few seasons, the club has been chaotic for too long.

Pat Kelly
236 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:32:34
Rafa may be better in the long run. Nuno and his crew along with Mendes boys would've been a reverse takeover. Mendes would take the management team and new signings out whenever it suited him.
Thomas Richards
237 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:32:42
The fan base in the mid 80s was united Tony
Winning trophies has that affect.

Our away fans are very much united. Every single week.

Kieran Kinsella
238 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:33:57
Is there a formal process for leaving the happy clappers or is it like Brexit?
Tom Harvey
239 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:34:05
FOOK!!!

Paddy Power Beneathus @ 1/25

Kris Boner
240 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:34:40
I have viewed the opinions of not only this forum but also Grand Old Team and the r/Everton reddit.

This is quite frankly the most divisive move the Board could have made and it is a guarantee that if the fans are in the stadium during any loses they will make their opinions on him very loud.

Personally, I hate it and I'm well aware I'm not alone. Working from home is going to be a blessing so I don't have to deal with any Kopites any time soon.

Michael Lynch
241 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:36:02
14th August is going to be interesting what sort of a reception will he get?
Barry Hesketh
242 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:36:25
Brian @216
I think there has been a manager who has occupied both dugouts but it was back in the early days. William Edward Barclay (14 June 1857 – 30 January 1917[1]) was the first manager of Everton and also the first manager of Liverpool, working with club secretary John McKenna. This has been disputed by some from across the park as they maintain that Barclay was only an administrative secretary and Mckenna was responsible for on-field affairs.
Geoff Lambert
243 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:36:33
Just got in from work and I am met with this news. Unfucking believable. The fat Spanish waiter who called us a small club and has done nothing in years.
I give up with this club bunch of armatures from the pitch to the boardroom.
Nick White
244 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:36:38
Sky Sports News😮
Barry Robson
245 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:37:14
Brian 214. Red shite would hire anyone they believed would take them forward.
And if that meant hiring anyone from Everton they wouldn't hesitate.
Tom Harvey
246 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:38:00
https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/12334318/rafael-benitez-everton-close-to-appointing-former-liverpool-boss-as-new-manager
Jay Evans
247 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:38:17
I thought we were a laughing stock a few weeks ago when Ancelotti dropped us like a bad habit but this is beyond belief.

I can’t get behind him, sorry.

I know I should but I just can’t. Maybe he was right when he called us a small club because this is a small appointment.

Barry Rathbone
248 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:38:52
I've banged the drum for yonks about new footy ground builds being the harbinger of doom and with the first spade in the ground just months away so it begins.

The odds of relegation just before or in the first season of BMD led by another agent of the reds must be shortening by the minute.

So glad I don't take this club seriously anymore

Soren Moyer
249 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:39:00
Its a bloody nightmare if its true!!! I don't even blame FSW because its all Fucking Kenshite's fault! We're not going places until this charlatan is at the club.
Shane Corcoran
250 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:39:40
As I said at the start of the process, the bookies and the media change their imminent appointment story around once a week.

If Benitez gets it I’ll be very interested to see Everton fans’ views. Not because I care bit more whether they’re on a par with Chelsea fans who acted like clowns from his first day there.

Rob Halligan
251 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:40:19
The videos will be getting prepared, and the photos of the scarf holding by the Everton badge at finch farm have already been taken before the official announcement. This will be confirmed at 9pm.
Andrew Ellams
252 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:40:52
If he comes he'll be another one who'll be gone before the new stadium is open. We must have the most incompetent board in the league.

Moshiri Out!!!

Michael Barrett
253 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:42:15
Rafael Benitez the new manager. All over the papers... god help us.
John Beesley
254 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:42:36
If they install him as manager I am giving up my season ticket and not watching Everton until he is sacked
Colin Glassar
255 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:42:43
Our lovely neighbours are pissing themselves laughing on Twitter. Who can blame them? The morons who run our club don’t give a toss what the fans think. They want prem survival which the FSW will provide.

At least I have my euro fantasy football league (which I’m currently leading) to look forward to. Next season is going to be murder.

Barry Hesketh
256 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:42:50
I think Benitez explained what he meant by the 'Small club' jibe it was more to do with Moyes' Everton being happy to sit back and take a draw, that bit of history doesn't overly concern me, the real issue is he going to transform Everton from Carlo's Everton and I don't think he is. I remember his Liverpool side being top or close to the top one Christmas and he went to Boro looking not to get beat rather than take the initiative and going for the win, my RS pals still go on about it today.
Ray Roche
257 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:43:32
Barry@232

I just can’t see Benitez taking us forward in the manner that would be acceptable to most fans. We might just as well have kept Big Sam and saved a shed full of compensation.
FSW is not renowned for scintillating football.

Geoff Williams
258 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:44:05
Moshiri is totally clueless. Absolutely everything about this appointment is unpalatable. Even forgetting he is a former RS manager the man is wrong for the job. Another aged manager whose successes are in the past. What on earth has he got to offer the fans other than another season of sterile, negative football. If he lasts 18 months then I'll be surprised. And why do you want to manage "this little club" Mr Benitez? "Because I live on the Wirral and no else wants me". I wish I'd waited longer before renewing my season ticket.
Mick O'Malley
259 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:44:17
Brian@221 My thoughts exactly, I don’t care how much Moshiri has spent cos nearly every penny of it has gone down the drain with his managerial appointments, Does he really think the majority of Blues are going to forgive his small club jibe and get behind Rafa, he better sign some decent players and get off to a good start cos if we play like we did last season Rafa and Moshiri will get to hear a hostile Goodson
Robert Tressell
260 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:44:38
Apppointing Benitez would, for me, be about as low a moment as I can think of for Everton since the dark days of Smith, Walker and Kendall Mk III. Worse than the embarrassing appointment of Allardyce by some measure.

Above all, it's humiliating. The club is treated as a laughing stock anyway especially by RS fans but this would take it up several notches. The has-been former manager of our lauded neighbours, someone who publicly belittled the club, sat in our dugout. Seriously?

Benitez has a crap CV since the mid-noughties, is linked to no other jobs of note and is linked to us solely on the basis that he is out of work and lives locally.

It would be an admission by the club that no one of any quality is remotely interested. And who can blame them? Koeman, Allardyce, Silva and Ancelotti couldn't last more than 18 months.

I still can't bring myself to believe it and expect Nuno but if this happens I'll feel as empty as I would with a relegation.

Conor McCourt
261 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:45:05
Don't worry just yet as he's only went to 1-4 on betfair with punters only wanting to back at 4-6. Essentially they are saying he's favourite but not nailed on and with Nuno ruled out someone has to make the market.
Tom Harvey
262 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:45:45
Only three bookies are now offering odds and when they disappear our fate will be sealed and we will be the biggest laughing stock in British football.
Paul Hewitt
263 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:45:54
What if he actually wins us something?
Robert Tressell
264 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:46:26
Paul # 249. He won't
Marc Hints
265 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:48:31
Well I don't like it either but I will give my full backing. We will all be singing his praise if he gets us into the champions league. We have had players move from our neighbours to us so no different. As long as Rafa puts his heart and soul into the job and moves us forward then I'll be happy.
Ed Fitzgerald
266 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:48:37
Get real, Barry he knew what he was saying, he knew it was provocative, he knew it played to the hordes of auks at Mordor. And we have just employed him FFS
Pat Kelly
267 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:49:10
I'm prepared to give him a chance and see how he does.

For those opposed to him just just regard it as Benitez on the verge of becoming Everton's next former manager.

Tony Abrahams
268 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:50:16
Openly snorted at, because it’s a ridiculous concept Michael. I’d say that’s written by a man who has never witnessed, or forgotten what it’s like, to see Everton winning things, me thinks mate?

I’ve heard the protest-plane will be flying tomorrow, but it won’t phase Benitez, and I genuinely think if the press are reporting that Kenwright, was behind this, then the other two have had enough of him now, and are going to try and stitch him up.

Brian Williams
269 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:50:27
Geoff#244.
Geoff I'm pretty sure the club will allow you to reverse your renewal if you ask in the near future.
I'll know for sure tomorrow, if this is true.


Tony, ffs nobody's going to put the club at risk just to stitch Kenwright up!

Andy Riley
270 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:50:36
Trying to take a detached view - I don’t want Benitez for loads of reasons but perhaps in some way he has impressed some people who if appointed they think he is the best person for the task in hand (whatever that is). You would have to think that some of the decision makers realise that he has more negatives than Allardyce when he was appointed but whatever positives he has displayed must outweigh those negatives. The most obvious negative to me from the decision makers perspective is that Mr Benitez must be what could called a challenging or difficult member of staff but they must think the positives he offers outweigh that.
Tommy Meehan
271 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:50:43
Beggars belief if true. . . how much more negative, shite football do we have to endure?
Anthony Murphy
272 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:51:05
You’ve got to worry how this will play out. I honestly can’t work out what Moshiri is thinking here.
Barry Hesketh
273 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:51:46
I can understand the angst and even to some extent the anger, but at the end of the day we don't support any single manager we support the team, of course, we can all decide not to support the team or stop attending games, but if we decide to continue to support the team, we have to make the new manager feel welcome, none of this 'you're not wanted' malarky he was interviewed the board appointed him and we have to hope he does a good job.
Tom Harvey
274 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:52:19
Is big Dunc really that bad that we'd step over him for "tres cervezas por favor"?

This is a fucking disgrace.

Andrew Ellams
275 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:53:08
Goodison Park is going to be a rough place to be next season. Benitez either gets it right from day one or the crowd will be merciless.
Peter Brogan
276 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:53:37
I think we need to get over the Liverpool connection with Rafa. That club have had plenty of players for example who deemed themselves to be Evertonians: Rush, Fowler just to name two. We need a proven winner and a manager that understands the Premier League and has a European knowledge of the game (he has won the major trophies... his CV is immense).

Step forward, Rafa, and make Everton great again with some Silverware. We need to move forward – not keep looking in the past. Let's give the guy our full support – he's certainly got mine.

Christy Ring
277 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:53:46
Absolutely stunned, did they not check his CV for the last ten years. Guys definitely leaving the happy clappers group. Has Bill turned Moshiri??
Gary Willock
278 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:54:04
#FSWOUT - what times the protest?
Kieran Kinsella
279 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:54:53
In less controversial news EITC are sponsoring the Jimmy Saville Memorial Orphanage in conjunction with the Rosemary West Benevolent Fund
Jamie Crowley
280 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:55:13
Michael @ 215 -

I vow to you to grab the banner and lead the anti-Benitez charge on TW if this shithouse becomes our manager.

Shithouse used purposely.

I will go scorched fucking earth.

Oliver Molloy
281 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:56:18
Honest to God, I really thought I didn't give a fuck who was the next manager as long as it wasn't Gerard, but l was wrong, I really can not believe Moshiri / Kenwright / Brands JUST DON'T FUCKING GET IT !

David Pearl
282 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:56:53
Hmm Kelly Dalglish is now second favourite
Gary Willock
283 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:57:29
The ones prepared to give him ago, are the same people who fart in elevators. No consciousness of the anger around you.
Jamie Crowley
284 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:58:21
Gary - worse than that.

They shit in a public stall and don't flush.

John Charles
285 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:58:44
My goodness me. How low can we go. A man that openly mocked us. Who managed THEM. Who got Newcastle relegated. Who swanned around China doing bog all except racking in money. Who places dire defensive football.
The RS are pissing themselves at us. Their old has been cast offs.
Get Steve McMahon in as his number 2!
Unbelievable
Peter Hopkins
286 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:59:40
I am stunned,absolutely stunned, not only is he an ex red, but he’s done naff all for years,it’s a joke and I am done,if this is true then I am off this ridiculous ride that is Everton,we put our hearts and souls in to supporting this club yet those in charge just keep making absurd decisions. I’m so annoyed!!
Bob Skelton
287 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:00:32
God we do not need the controversy this will bring. If this boys pen Bill's idea he needs to go...
Tony Abrahams
288 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:00:48
Brian W, I’m just speculating mate, but if you think this is putting the club at risk for obvious reasons, then the greatest Evertonian in the world must surely have similar views?
Neil Copeland
289 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:01:22
All those wanting to give up their season ticket, can I take one on please for my daughter?

If it is Rafa then so be it, not my preference but as always EFC will have my full support come the start of the season. And considering that Rafa looks likely to be employed by EFC as manager he will have my support to.

Peter Hopkins
290 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:01:54
It’s on the red echo now, I bet they are pissing themselves too. Still annoyed!!
Dale Self
291 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:02:04
Kieran, It is a damn shame and an indictment of society today that the Ghislaine Maxwell Make a Wish foundation had to withdraw due to some frivolous legal claims. Pfffffft.
Anthony A Hughes
292 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:02:18
If Ancelloti was a dinosaur ?.....it'll all end in tears
Jamie Crowley
293 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:02:33
I'm printing out pics of Rafa to tape to my targets when I go shooting.

Joke.

Soren Moyer
294 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:04:42
Benitez close to taking Everton job"!!! Even sky sports news headline is wrong. Sounds like he is doing US a fucking favor!,"Benitez close to taking Everton job"!!! Even sky sports news headline is wrong. Sounds like he is doing US a fucking favor!,,,1,20:03:28,,176.169.154.25,ok,18182,06/16/2021 20:03:28,SorenMoyer,reader,,,no 1166180,40925,toffeeweb,16/06/2021,Dale Self,dself@heartmath.com,I'm offended that that is a joke Jamie. Praise the Lord and pass the ammo.,I'm offended that that is a joke Jamie. Praise the Lord and pass the ammo.,,,1,20:03:49,,12.157.117.39,ok,23707,06/16/2021 20:03:49,dself@heartmath.com,reader,,,no 1166181,40925,toffeeweb,16/06/2021,Kieran Kinsella,haggerwood@msn.com,Dale 276

She was probably the most honest party involved :/,Dale 276

She was probably the most honest party involved :/,,,1,20:04:09,,171.159.64.10,ok,2769,06/16/2021 20:04:09,Evertongator,reader,,,no 1166182,40925,toffeeweb,16/06/2021,Marc Hints,sparkymarc45@gmail.com,Well Alan Myers on twitter has just said he has not been offered the job ,Well Alan Myers on twitter has just said he has not been offered the job ,,,1,20:04:11,,86.166.240.187,ok,23360,06/16/2021 20:04:11,sparkymarc45@gmail.com,reader,,,no 1166183,40925,toffeeweb,16/06/2021,Joe McMahon,joe90_@hotmail.co.uk,"I am concerned he hasn't won anything for a good few years, but I seem to be in the minority that would accept him (Gary @268 No I don't fart in lifts). I'm just pleased it's not Moyes or Unsworth (he really is a lot bigger than Big Sam or the FSW). If it happens it's just another chapter in this car crash of a club.

Barry Hesketh
295 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:04:53
Gary @268
I think the only things that any supporter can do is either support the team and by default the manager, or go and do something else with his/her time. Demonstrations against the appointment will not change the minds of those who allegedly lead the club, so it would be a futile exercise, no matter how much anger surrounds the decision.
Kieran Kinsella
296 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:05:00
Marc

Never met you but I could kiss you for sharing that glimmer of hope

Anthony A Hughes
297 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:05:19
Making his mind whether to belittle himself at a small club,,
Rob Halligan
298 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:05:25
Wouldn't be the first manager to manage local rivals. George Graham was in charge of both arsenal, for nine years, and spurs for three years.

Players and managers come and go. The club has been around for 143 years, and no doubt will be for a further 143 years. I support the club, not the manager. If he comes in, so be it. When we score I won't be cheering Benitez, I'll be cheering the team and the player who scored. The only manager I never wanted, and was totally against, was Fucking Allardyce! Not saying I totally want Benitez, but let's just see how things pan out?

Jamie Crowley
299 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:05:35
Hopefully Everton have an internal requirement that the manager pass a physical.

Then we'll be in the clear.

Fran Mitchell
300 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:05:43
11 years since he left Liverpool. His final seasons there marred by him trying to sell Alonso, spending money poorly, and demanding more money.

He then Joined Inter Milan, who had just won the Treble (League, Champion's League, and Cup). He once again demanded a huge budget to deflect the blame for him taking them to 6th in the league. And was sacked after just a few months.

He then spent one season at Chelsea, who again we're holding European Champions and was chased out after one season.

Then 2 seasons at Napoli, which saw the club decline of over his spell and failing to qualify for the Champions League in his final season.

Then 6 months at Real Madrid, as the fans just would not accept the abysmal style of football being played.

Then Newcastle, which saw relegation, then promotion, then survival in the premier League with abysmal football and constant demands for more money to spend.

Then China, where he achieved nothing.

He's currently 61 and unemployed and there are very few clubs who would hire him.

Why oh why

What on earth.

Horrified. Truly.

Moshiri get the fuck out of Everton

Robert Tressell
301 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:06:35
Hoping Benitez will lead us to the Champions League would be like Man Utd appointing Avram Grant in the hope he'd win them the trophy. The reality is that Benitez is now of lower standing than Steve Bruce. This is a man to keep us 10th with limited investment while we build a stadium - in the process robbing us of any dignity. Desperately hope it's not true.
Kunal Desai
302 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:07:14
I refuse to believe this, only a week ago Nuno was certain to be named manager.
If however, it is Benitez this tells you everything you need to know about our board, thick as shit and haven't a scooby in what they are doing.

Sadly there isn't any hope this club will ever progress. They've already tarnished the club with appointing Allardyce and now potentially this joker who would finally get to manage a small club afterall.

Pathetic if true, these people simply have no shame. Start up the demonstrations should this appointment happens.

Gary Willock
303 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:07:54
Barry, if you want to give up and do something else that’s up to you. I was here before Bill bought us, and before moshiri bought us. I’ll hopefully be here long after. This is MY club. Our club, and I’m fucked if I’m not going to make my feelings known everywhere I can. I’ll be in the bullens, but I’ll be booing Rafa and screaming for him to fuck off. You sit and clap and do what you want.
Kieran Kinsella
304 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:08:38
His agent was quoted a few weeks ago as saying "he'd crawl through glass" to get the Everton job. I say, prove it.
Marc Hints
305 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:08:57
Let's hope he gets the job then Kieran haha
Tom Harvey
306 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:09:10
He's well past his sell by date, there isn't even a crumb of comfort that he is capable of winning anything.

Moshiri is starting to make Kenwright look like quite the wise old football sage and that's really saying something.

Sack Brands now, what's the point in his existance at this club.

Jamie Crowley
307 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:10:06
Rob -

Your support of the Club is unbelievable. It's commendable and fantastic.

But even you, surely once taking off the blue specs, can't be in favor of this???

Rob, he called the Club that is near your life and heart a "small club". He's always been a snarky little fucker towards Everton. His recent managerial results and CV is shite.

How can you be behind this, or if that's a bridge too far, how can you even want to see how things pan out? We're looking at bottom half if we're lucky, shit boring football, all orchestrated by a fella who's thumbed his nose at us and publicly insulted us, and managed THEM!???

Oliver Molloy
308 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:10:07
I am calm again - this will not happen.
Anthony A Hughes
309 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:10:50
I wonder how far down the list Benitez was?
Barry Hesketh
310 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:11:31
Gary @292
I think you've misread my post, I was merely pointing out what options are available to supporters if they disagreed with something or were so angry about a decision made by the board.
I'll be there on August 14th as per usual covid situation notwithstanding.

On reflection I misread your response, you can do as you please, but I don't know what you'll achieve by shouting and bawling at Rafa - if he comes - it certainly won't help the players.

Andrew Ellams
311 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:12:19
How many of the players are speaking their agents right now? And I don't mean Iwobi, Bernard or any of the other clowns.

This clubs is many years from winning anything or playing in Europe but still we can all smile when Moshiri pockets a fortune by selling the club with the shiny new stadium.

Michael Kenrick
312 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:12:35
We are clearly gonna get some very funny posts from some very angry fans. Not sure about your correlation there, Tony @254.

Although the puzzle for me is why the fans would not be united in protest against tolerating lousy managers who have us playing lousy football? Darren told me that was because there are too many Happy Clappers amongst our number, who have of course cheered those wins (you silly man) but will always support the manager because he is appointed by the club.

I wonder if the club consulted the much-vaunted Fans Forum on this seemingly incendiary matter?

Something suggests not...

Simon Dalzell
313 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:12:44
He's a fair way down my list, but above Nuno Santo.
Jamie Crowley
314 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:13:14
it's like a die-hard Catholic converting to the church of Satan.

I'm just going to start practicing drawing pentagrams for kicks.

Brian Williams
315 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:13:50
Tony#273.
Sorry mate I don't understand your latest post. Not being funny.
I thought your original post suggested the Moshiri and Brands were trying to give Kenwright enough rope to hang himself if it was him who pushed for Benitez?
I questioned whether they'd put the club at risk just to do that?
Stephen Vincent
316 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:13:54
Alan #200 #240, with you both after 60 years of following this shambolic club I really can't stand any more. The appointment of the FSW is a total betrayal and an insult. It will make us a complete laughing stock.
Gary Willock
317 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:14:39
Barry - you said our only options are to accept it and get behind it or give up and do something else. That’s not true. We can fight and make our feelings clear. If he’s appointed that is exactly what I intend to do. I’m sure thousands more will too.
Eric Yarker
318 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:15:08
Don’t forget the added bonus is that he’ll be bringing Sammy Lee with him...
Jamie Crowley
319 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:15:45
Someone answer this:

What is the intellectual thought process behind even considering this clown??

Joe McMahon
320 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:16:31
Does anyone know if Nuno was offered the role, but wanted his own assistant and not Dunc? This Rafa news has come from nowhere when we were expecting Nuno to be announced all week.
Dale Self
321 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:17:18
Jamie, I suggest you listen to a bit of Pentagram. Hopefully it doesn't lead to an arrangement of naked women bowing around a diagram on your floor but you never know. Kurt would approve.
Simon Harris
322 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:18:00
I'm still sticking with my cynical post of yesterday that they are playing us, so the impending Nuno announcement is met with relief rather than underwhelmed - blah (which is my feeling towards his appointment). Loads on twitter saying they'd rather fat Sam than Rafa.
Conor McCourt
323 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:18:17
Obvious Jamie, Carlo was no magician so we went for a clown
Brian Harrison
324 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:18:52
Rob

I hated the appointment of Allardyce, but he didnt try and publicly slate our club like this man. I wish I was magnanimous enough to say I support the club not the manager, because for me the two are inextricably linked. At this moment in time my plan is to sell the games for my season ticket on stub hub until he has gone, hopefully a shorter tenure than Allardyce.

Maybe we need to hire the red who fired a rocket launcher into the Liver buildings, not because Moshiri the part owner of the building had said anything derogatory about LFC, he did it just to show how much they hate Everton. I am sure this appointment will have them screaming with laughter, and even if it all ends in tears in12 months we will never be able to remove the stain form our club.

Pat Kelly
325 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:18:56
On the positive side think of all the great Chinese players we'll be signing.
Kieran Kinsella
326 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:19:44
Gary

If it comes to pass, any protests shouldn't just be focused on Rafa it should be on all of them. The crap players who keep causing managerial changes, the crap DOF who keeps signing crap players, the crap owner who seems like an elderly abuse victim being robbed of his savings, and above all the crap chairman who brought in the crap owner. It's like the lady swallowing the fly scenario. One bad thing leads to a resolution that's making things worse.

Tony Abrahams
327 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:20:49
What I’m suggesting Brian, is that I don’t personally think that Bill Kenwright would want Rafa Benitez, to manage Everton. But, there have been some reports in the press that Bill Kenwright, has been pushing for Rafa Benitez. Maybe Kenwright has pushed for Benitez, and got his choice, but it just seems highly unlikely imo, and that’s why I’m wondering why it’s being reported that Benitez is Bill Kenwright’s call? Put the blame on Bill, maybe?

Not sure about my correlation Michael, suggests it’s something you’ve never actually witnessed, maybe.

Pete Baker
328 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:21:03
Maybe it's a plan... as we thought Nuno was an uninspired choice, Rafa as a rumour, then Nuno doesn't sound such a bad choice! When you chuck in Moyes, who did us proud 8 years ago but no going back, as the three major options, you have to be really worried about our whole decision-making process! It just feels we lost a whole opportunity to add something dynamic to our football from the top... kind of like our team performances this year!
Dale Self
329 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:21:46
So which of you are subverting the natural and brilliant assumption of Rafa by pumping Galtier so much that he is trending twitter for the Everton job?
Terry White
330 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:22:07
Gary, (306),

"Fight"? That is exactly what Trump suggested which led to the Capitol invasion in Washington in January by his deluded followers. Is that what you are suggesting?

That you and others of the same view as you should attack Goodison Park or Finch Farm? If not, then you should choose your words more carefully.

Rob Halligan
331 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:22:21
Jamie # 296.

At the end of the day, there is fuck-all anybody can do about it. I'm not giving up my season ticket just because I don't want the manager who's about to take over.

Those who say they are, or those who say they've had enough, SEE YA, DON'T LET THE DOOR SMACK YER ARSE ON THE WAY OUT!!

If it makes you feel better, then I'm pleased for you, but you won't be missed!!

Brian Williams
332 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:23:33
Brian #313.

I'm glad I read your post because you've suggested an option I hadn't even considered.

I was in a quandary as giving up my season ticket would mean having little or no chance of getting one for Bramley-Moore Dock when the Fat Spanish Waiter would be long gone.

You've come up with the prefect solution, cheers!

Anthony A Hughes
333 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:24:42
If you think ToffeeWeb was at war over Carlo, wait until this fella loses a couple of games...
Dave Lynch
334 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:25:16
Win the first 6 games and all will be forgiven.

I couldn't care less if he pissed on the Street End corner flag, results is what matter.

And don't give me all this bollox about "We are Everton, we have class etc." We are shite and a shambles; if he can turn that around, I'll love the man.

Julian Exshaw
335 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:25:23
I get the fact that there were no stand-out candidates but, if this happens, I'll be disappointed. Is this really the best we can get? Is he a game-changer? I fear not. Time will tell but it smacks of desperation to me.
Ian Edwards
336 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:26:04
As with every Manager, I will initially support them until such time as I deem them to be failing. Benitez wouldn't be my first choice but I definitely don't want Nuno.

Do I have to join the Happy Clappers?

Paul Hewitt
337 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:27:14
Dave @324. A bit of sense at last.
James Head
338 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:27:26
This club is a shambles on and off the pitch but there is no way the pathetic board will employ that arrogant Fat Spanish Waiter. This stinks of a softening up process to prime the supporters for an underwhelming appointment; makes me think either Howe or Potter are on their way.

SACK THE BOARD!

Barry Robson
339 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:27:59
So many worried about what the Red Shite are saying. I thought we don't care what the Red Shite say? Or is that just for the song?

Let them laugh. Because if he turns the club around and we start challenging for honours, they'll be fucking laughing on the other side of their faces. He is not my preferred choice... but give up my season ticket? No fucking chance. UTFT!

Stephen Brown
340 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:29:02
This is a new low! What is the point in this?

Even if we accept it to a point, 2 defeats in a row and it'll be toxic!

I'd honestly rather Steve Bruce, Alan Pardew, Alan Curbishley, Tony Pulis...

Conor McCourt
341 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:29:52
Ian, I think it's the happy clapper at this stage.
Anthony A Hughes
342 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:31:17
Not sure if I'm a "happy clapper" or "holding the club to account" on this one.
Daniel A Johnson
343 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:32:00
Fucking hell... I'd rather have Mark Hughes or Phil Neville.

Nuno must have pissed on someone's chips not to get it.

Dale Self
344 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:32:15
Ahem, you lot are the happy crappers. You're welcome.
Bill Gall
345 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:32:34
Well, I guess if Benitez becomes manager, it will be a big bonus for us supporters who live abroad; with all these supporters giving up their season tickets and others not going, we will be able to get tickets when we come back for a visit.
Kieran Kinsella
346 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:33:03
Ian Edwards

You can have my happy clapper spot, been trying to flog it on Ebay but someone flagged it as a scam.

Stephen Vincent
347 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:33:33
Eric #313 not Sammy Lee, but very possibly Phil Pinocchio Thompson.
Ian Edwards
348 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:33:58
Mark Ogden of ESPN has just said it's a straight battle between Benitez and Martinez, who is open to a return.

Martinez for me out of that choice. No doubt at all.

Brian Williams
349 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:34:14
Barry #338.

If he doesn't have us challenging for honours, but instead has us struggling, which is far more likely than the former going on his recent and not so recent achievements, the other lot will be laughing on all sides of their faces and it's something they'd never ever let us forget.

Mick O'Malley
350 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:34:26
I care what he said about us, and he won't turn us around. Look at his last half-a-dozen jobs for the evidence.
Oliver Molloy
351 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:34:41
Joe @ 315,

Nuno has a huge team apparently and wants every one of them at his next club, so Palace told him to fuck off.

I do not believe Benítez will be appointed.

Andrew Ellams
352 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:36:44
This is not just a man who managed them, but he was even sacked by them.
Ian Bennett
353 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:37:13
Alan Myers saying he's not been offered anything yet, but is in talks.
Anthony Murphy
354 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:37:17
Well Mancini seems to have the Italians all fired up and playing as a unit - A quick call to his agent and who knows?

Like I said, a lazy appointment - lives locally, prem experience and wants the job.

My only hope is that he’s quite bloody minded and has an arrogance that may help - he won’t give a feck what anyone thinks or who he upsets.

Gary Willock
355 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:37:30
Terry, you must be particularly obsessed with the Orange Man to equate my determination to run this horrendous mistake out of our club with the Capitol Hill riot. Give your strange obsession a rest, please.

Kieran – I think you're right, if this happens, the rot is deep. I'd hope the backlash against Rafa would force a domino to fall above. If it doesn't, then it's Moshiri and he needs to go too. Enough is enough.

Julian Exshaw
356 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:37:36
Can we have another ToffeeWeb poll about this before it's announced? A last-minute appeal??
Will Mabon
357 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:38:52
Simon @ 321, it's a sad reflection of the way things are played today, that what you speculate is entirely possible. What a world. I'm still erring towards cluster fuck, but we'll see.
Barry Hesketh
358 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:39:18
Wait until Rafa appoints Danny Murphy and Jamie Carragher as his assistants and makes JonJoe Shelvey the Captain. :)
Joe McMahon
359 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:40:32
Thanks Oliver @350,

No, we defo don't want a big team. I don't think he will be appointed either. But, if he is, he is thick-skined and got a lot of protests by Chelsea fans but he still got then the Europa League and 3rd in the Premier League. But yes, it was a few years ago.

Tom Harvey
360 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:40:51
Benitez is a disaster waiting to happen. When he hits a poor run, the fans will show him no mercy and why should we? Remember Benitez will be a big manager at a small club, he shouldn't have any difficulties managing us, yes?

I wouldn't worry too much about whether season tickets will be available in the new stadium should some give them up now in protest, there will probably be plenty and at a cheaper price... They can't charge what they are now for the Championship or League One.

Mick O'Malley
361 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:42:41
If it is going to be Rafa, let's hope he can find us an Alonso and a Torres.
Mike Gaynes
362 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:43:03
I can't believe we'd hire Rafa.

I also can't believe Roberto would leave the Belgium job a year before the World Cup.

But Mark Ogden of ESPN is quite a credible reporter.

So I guess one shock or the other might actually be happening.

Either way I'll still get on a plane to come watch.

Paul Hewitt
363 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:44:25
He's NOT been offered the job apparently. That's from a few in-the-know journalists.
Tom Harvey
364 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:45:00
I can believe it and have no faith in the parvenus that run our club.
Anthony A Hughes
365 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:45:05
Commence Operation Shitshow
Ray Roche
366 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:45:44
Paul, any links to these journalists please?
Pat Kelly
367 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:45:59
Benitez appointment to be announced tonight, if, I mean when, he returns from his tour of Bramley-Moore Dock with Dunc.
Colin Glassar
368 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:46:00
Alan Myers says he’s NOT been offered the job!!
Tom Harvey
369 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:46:09
Paul,

There's only two bookies offering odds and at silly odds.

Ray Roche
370 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:46:22
364
🤣🤣🤣🤣
Tom Harvey
371 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:47:36
Pat.

Let's hope big Dunc does him in and throws him in the dock.

Paul Hewitt
372 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:47:52
Everton might just be testing the water. See what sort of reaction he would get?
Ray Jacques
373 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:47:55
On no, he called us a small club over 10 years ago and I am still upset by it and struggle to sleep.

Grow up.

The club is a shambles; hopefully this man can change the mentality. I am okay with him taking the job.

James Flynn
374 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:48:51
Since it started from Jim White, maybe Moshiri used him to float it and then check Evertonians' responses.

I'd bet ToffeeWeb isn't the only Everton site displaying outrage.

Michael Lynch
375 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:49:23
First home game, Big Dunc lays the nut on Rafa's fat head and the Street End go crazy as Ferguson calmly walks the length of the pitch and into the Lower Bullens to watch the game with the fans.
Mike Gaynes
376 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:49:48
Ray #364, here's the ESPN story:

Everton in talks with Rafa Benitez over coaching vacancy, Roberto Martinez also a candidate - sources

Pat, you're in midseason form today.

Ian Horan
377 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:49:51
I said at the start of the week, with the delay naming Nuno, don't be surprised it's Rafa as he will happily keep Duncan to pacify the fans... Nuno wants a clear-out.

Kenwright has gone for Rafa to keep Duncan here... What the fuck have Everton FC come to???

Chris Gordon
378 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:50:20
The most divisive appointment in the club's history... WTAF goes through the minds of the Everton hierarchy?? They never cease to amaze me with their stupidity.
Will Mabon
379 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:50:47
I'm wondering how one distinguishes an in-the-know journalist from one that's out of the know.
Tom Harvey
380 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:50:48
Ray,

Can't wait for your lone voice at Goodison "O Rafa we love you yes we do.. O Rafa...".

Kieran Kinsella
381 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:50:48
Michael 374

First thing that's made me laugh since the Rafa rumor broke lol

Bill Gienapp
382 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:51:31
Ian (347) - god knows I'm not clamoring for Roberto to come back, but if he loves the club so much that he's willing to walk away from Belgium before the World Cup... you have to respect that.

(that being said, I'd be absolutely stunned if he was willing to walk away from Belgium)

Ray Jacques
383 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:53:10
I know Tom, but if we are doing well it will soon change and I can have a duet!!!!
James Flynn
384 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:55:52
"Alan Myers says he’s NOT been offered the job!!"

Alan Myers actually said, "My understanding is that Rafa Benitez has NOT been offered the Everton job at this point, talks however have taken place."

Dale Self
385 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:56:50
So this could be psy ops to get us okay with Roberto. I would have taken a look without the Rafa garnish. Kind of like the parsley you never touch with the utensils.

The article states explicitly that Roberto has Brands backing as well as the barnacle. Supposedly Moshiri is the Rafanator.

Dave Williams
386 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:58:22
Who else is there? On these pages we have said:

Nuno – too defensive and poor last season
Howe – no defensive nous
Duncan – too inexperienced
Dyche – long ball merchant
Potter – too inexperienced
Conte – Champions League manager
Simeone – Champions League manager
Moyes – too divisive and never go back
Galtier – had one good season
Argentinian bloke – who????
Roberto – poor with us after first season and never go back

Rafa has dropped his 'elite manager' status but strikes me as hungry to prove some people wrong, especially across the park. He will bust a gut to beat that shower and show he still has it. He will be vocal on the touch line, he will get us properly fit and he will not tolerate the timid approach of our serial losers.

His "small club" comment was just sour grapes after we stopped them from getting a much-needed 3 points and I can forgive him that.

I'd much prefer someone else but of all the guys listed I think he could be the best bet.

I just hope that he gets a good start and regardless, I will back him all the way because the club is bigger than any one person and matters above everything else.

Tom Harvey
387 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:59:47
Mike Gaynes
388 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:01:11
Dave Williams #385, gotta say I love your optimism, even if I don't necessarily share it.
Matthew Williams
389 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:01:29
It seems some of my fellow Blues obviously didn't watch much of Newcastle when he was their gaffer?

Dull and dire... write off the new season if this nightmare happens.

Andrew Ellams
390 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:02:30
Anthony @ 353, Mancini is going nowhere before the World Cup
Anthony A Hughes
391 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:02:58
A sincere apology (in these times of constant apologists) should suffice, Rafa, with regards to your past misdemeanors towards the mighty Blues.
Neil Copeland
392 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:03:04
Latest odds; Rafa 1/10, Nuno 6/1, Martinez coming in at 16/1.
Marc Hints
393 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:03:11
Rafa is in the Titanic, apparently.
Bobby Mallon
394 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:03:33
You lot clambering for Rafa... are you serious? He's ex-RedShite, for fuck's sake! I wouldn't want Klopp so I don't want Rafa.

Why would the fucking chairman want a fella who ridiculed the club and want to split the fan base? Honestly, you lot think other managers have had stick. If he gets off to a bad start, watch the fucking fireworks.

Moshiri, go pay Conte or Potter loads of money to come... but not fucking Rafa!

Will Mabon
395 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:04:06
Tom, they say "Set to take over" in there, not has taken over. We can suffer a while longer yet.
Brian Murray
396 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:05:29
Uninspired, lazy, no vision, all short-termism if The Waiter gets the nod. Another Sam stop-gap to see us ambling safely to Bramley-Moore Dock.

Thanks once again, Bill, as your parting legacy because this has your dabs all over it. I can see Brands's resignation very soon. We must have the most idiotic of billionaires on the planet. Forest Gump with money.

Fuck off, Everton, I'm done with you. Headlines tomorrow: Galtier named boss. Coyb – ain't no stopping us now! 😂

Brian Williams
397 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:05:33
Mark #392.

No, that's where Evertonians wish he was, and I don't mean the hotel.

Tom Harvey
398 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:06:07
Mathew @ 388,

Moshiri will be happy with dull and dire if it get's him to Bramley-Moore Dock in the Premier League, he wants another Moyes.

The thing is, this is the best league in the world and, if you're not going forwards, you're going backwards, it's a dangerous strategy to just try and survive.

Derek Knox
399 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:06:12
The only way I'll get behind him is at the Pier Head with an outgoing tide!

Can somebody please, please, tell me this isn't happening!

Sean Kelly
400 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:06:35
Feels like the board are pissing on us from a great height. Disgraceful disrespect to all Evertonians.
Anthony A Hughes
401 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:06:53
In the Titanic bar with Riquelme
Dave Williams
402 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:07:41
Mike #387- I am always optimistic in life which drives my wife bananas at times. It is much nicer than being miserable which I could easily be over this.

As a fan since 1963 I want to see a young, vibrant and attacking team and I don't know where that will come from. But sometimes life can surprise us all!

Tom Harvey
403 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:08:44
Derek,

C'mon in your best singing voice "O Rafa we love you, O yes we do!.. O Rafa"

Ray Roche
404 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:10:01
Mike @375

Thanks Mike, the Martinez link is interesting. But not without a top fitness and defensive coach!

Kim Vivian
405 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:10:04
Sounds like at least it might be easier to get a season ticket next year. Anyone selling before I join the waiting list?
Anthony A Hughes
406 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:12:35
You can't teach an old fat Spanish waiter new tricks, expect, bland defensive football.
Neil Copeland
407 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:12:45
Kim 404, get in the queue, I asked first!

Derek 398, it’s not happening mate

Bobby Mallon
408 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:12:46
If there was a time for protesting it’s now. This chairman and board need to know he’d not wanted we want a manager to inspire the fan base and get a tune out of this team
Barry Hesketh
409 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:12:49
I think the directors of Everton are stuck in a time-warp, they've appointed three experienced managers, Allardyce, Ancelotti, and Benitez, if appointed, who were at or near their peak in 2005, and they continue to buy players whose best years are behind them.

How ironic is it, that if Ancelotti hadn't have lost that CL final in 2005 against Benitez's team, our history could have been very different?

If Roberto was to come and join Benitez, one doing crazy attacking scenarios and the other creating ultra-defensive plans we might find a way of winning more games?

I bet it's Nuno appointed tomorrow as the board gets tired of playing with Evertonians emotions.

Liam Mogan
410 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:13:40
Until we get rid of the shitshow that makes up 90% of our squad then any manager will just follow in the footsteps of the last 4/5. Dire, uninspiring football is the 'new normal' I'm afraid. Will fit Rafa down to the ground. Anti-fooball and attrition.

I hope I'm wrong but I doubt it

Paul Birmingham
411 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:13:44
As an Evertonian, Ill embrace the new manager and I hope they give their utmost to Everton.

Well never know but after the Italian job, the clubs lawyers should have been sacked and so the club could be playing safe, in my view.

Life’s battles don’t always go and we don’t always get what we want.

But if the case regardless of whom is appointed, its how Everton, as a club, react, improvise, and overcome.

The club has got to get some consistency as we are anguishing our lives away in respect of EFCs long term demise in football terms.

Nows the time to turn Everton around and get some belief and success on the field.

But who knows but I expect by this weekend Everton, should have announced the new manager.

UTFT!

NB The Euros have been decent and some good excuses to have match nights and beers, hopefully soon celebrate a new Everton manager or as respectfully drown the sorrows.

It’s a funny old game.

Dale Self
412 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:14:08
This is Belgium's last chance and Roberto knows he is not a rebuilder. ESPN is stating that THEY are informed that it is a straight choice between FSW and BBS. Welcome back Bobby! Get some different color shoes just for the hell of it.
Ben King
413 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:14:20
Nightmare scenario. Honestly. Is it too much to want to like the guy in charge?

I’d honestly rather have Stevie G laa rather than this provocative guy

Chris Hockenhull
414 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:15:02
Dale (384). Jeez….that post…you been sniffing drainpipes whilst reciting the alphabet or what???????????
Sean Kelly
415 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:16:46
Watch this space. Next up the merger. We will go from FSW to FSG. Teary bill will line his pockets with gold and fuck off to aladdins cave
Andy Crooks
416 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:17:42
Rafa will not be our new manager. Prison holds no fear for me.
Kevin Molloy
417 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:17:48
The one thing we do not want to do is start giving Moshiri grief. Not cos he's a great guy or anything, but because the club without his cash is utterly stuffed.

If he sees some big fan protest about his latest choice, he may think "I'm sick of this, I'm out!" And if he does that, we are extremely vulnerable to him fire-selling Everton and we would drop like a stone.

Conor McCourt
418 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:17:54
Please Bring back Bobby not the bobbing balloon
Dale Self
419 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:20:10
Chris 413, I know maaaaan. Not really excited about retreads but given the split in Everton's family I think I could get by with some of Roberto's attacking flair if he would get a damn defense coach. The time elapsed with no other candidates suggested does lead one to think Bobby Brown Shoes is not out of the question.
Fran Mitchell
420 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:21:17
I'd take Martinez back. I'd be curious to see how he'd be after a few years experience.

Belgium are probably due a change their 'golden generation' is aging,and while there ar new players coming up, probably time for a fresh start all around.

Martinez won't get a 'top' job, I wouldn't think so 'unfinished business' could be a good thing. He has always spoken highly of Everton when working as a pundit, and his ideals of football do align with those of our fanbase.

He'd have a good deal more contacts now too, so his workings in transfer market could be better and I can see him working well with brands in wanting to sign young players.

Benitez will want to sign Rondon and some other 30 year olds.

Anyone but Benitez. Christ, I'd have Joey Barton before Benitez.

Jay Harris
421 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:21:28
Just came back to expect that we had got Nuno and was prepared to be underwhelmed.

Instead I read this and have to say I am totally and utterly disgusted.

NSNO - don't make me laugh. Sir John Moores will be turning over in his grave.

If this is the best Moshiri, Brands and the dickhead can produce, then I am out until they are gone.

Dale Self
422 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:21:55
if Moshiri seriously risked his credibility by backing Rafa then he deserves any and all criticism levelled.
Anthony A Hughes
423 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:22:16
Calling Mr Brands, calling Mr Brands: Have a word, mate!
Tony Abrahams
424 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:22:52
Debatable that Kevin, I’d say Everton, is way to valuable to him and his Uzbek friend, especially if they’ve got a chance (I’d guess they already are) of getting in bed with Peel.
Kevin Molloy
425 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:23:08
Fran
Benitez signed Rondon cos Ashley wouldn't give him any money. When he had dosh to spend at Liverpool his recruitment was better than Moyes.
Soren Moyer
426 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:26:09
James 373. Others are fuming about it. Just an example:
https://www.footballtransfertavern.com/everton-fc-news/manager-news-rafa-benitez-3/
Kevin Molloy
427 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:26:29
Tony,

I know a lot of people say that this thing is gonna be a goldmine for him with Peel and everything. I'll be blowed if I can see how and why.

Certainly if he wants to exploit the Peel angle, at some point he needs to come up with nearly half a billion, and that's just to get us where we are now but with 10,000 extra seats.

Paul Hewitt
428 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:27:07
I really can't believe some want Martinez back. He's utterly useless.
Tony Abrahams
429 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:27:38
I'm going to watch some television, something with subtitles so I've got to really concentrate, because I think it's going to be one of those long sleepless nights, especially when the thunder starts later.
Fran Mitchell
430 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:28:36
His signings at Liverpool...like selling Alonso and signing Aquilani?

What I most remember from Benitez is his teams declining, and when they declined, he would start making a huge fuss about not getting enough money to spend.

He did it at Liverpool. He did it at European Champions Inter. He did it at Newcastle.

He'd do it here. as soon as results go sour, he'd be saying it's cause he can't sign the players he wants.

And in general his transfer record is pretty poor, with a few decent players scattered about.

Soren Moyer
431 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:29:21
No FSW, no Martinez either!
Dale Self
432 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:30:23
So who will be the Martinez no. 2?

Sorry Soren but that is all ESPN is putting on the menu and one of their writers signed the byline. It looks like a thing.

Barry Hesketh
433 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:32:45
Most of us believed that it was Usmanov who might be bankrolling Moshiri, I'm thinking it might be FSG as they've benefitted the most from the shenanigans at Goodison for the last 5 years.

Just watched a video clip of Andy Gray and Richard Keys both of whom think that it's a huge mistake for Everton to even contemplate appointing Benitez. Usually, I don't agree with them too often, but in this case, I think they're spot-on.

Kevin Molloy
434 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:33:50
He bought Alonso, and then wanted to replace him with Barry, who I think would have been the perfect foil for Gerrard. Mascherano, Torres, he bought Crouch and Bellamy for buttons, he built an excellent defence: Agger, Aurelio, Arbeloa, Luis Garcia, he picked all these players up for bargain prices. He knows the market very well.
Will Mabon
435 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:34:45
Soren, I got 9/10 in the Everton quiz there...
Mark Murphy
436 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:35:14
Fuck off, Everton.
Just fuck off.
FOTFT!
John Daley
437 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:35:27
As it's come from the lips of Jim White…basically a more Brahms and Liszt Lord Charles with a looser bum hole… my hope is this is merely someone at the club working his gob by manoeuvring a hand up there to gauge how aghast or not-arsed the fan reaction would be, before hopefully backing off like they did (initially) when ‘Big Sam' was originally ‘set to be' appointed. First time. Before he actually fucking was.

If Benitez were to be given the job it would be bordering on the final straw for me.

It would also beg the question what is the actual point of Marcel Brands? It would make a complete mockery of the Director of Football role for there to have been three managerial appointments made since he mooched through the door and all three end up being Moshiri's men….all seemingly handpicked using his failsafe method of a phalanx of monkeys flinging magnetic letters at a fucking fridge:

Moshiri: “This one, this one here, look… it almost spells ‘Rafa Benitez'”

Marcel: “Erm…*sniff, sniff*… that's a splat of actual monkey shit, sir. One of these dirty little bastards must have ran out of letters”

Moshiri: “Ah Benitez! A hard arsed veteran trained to win by attrition, who we found semi-retired but still in his prime, stick-fighting motherfuckers for money in murkiest Thailand.”

Marcel: “You're getting Rafa mixed up with Rambo 3 again, sir. Benitez is the veteran ex RS boss, bit of a prick who basically called us a bunch of poxy bellends, hasn't won anything for ages, got relegated at Newcastle and spent semi-retirement sat on a bench mopping sweat from his moobs in murkiest China, while silently repeating “Think of the money, think of the money, think of the money”, over and over again, before leaving by mutual consent.”

Moshiri: “Ah Benitez! Boggly eyed fella. Boring as fuck. Could get here on a bike. I like the cut of his jib, Smithers.”

Tony Abrahams
438 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:35:51
Laurie Hartley once showed us how a football stadium helped kickstart the regeneration of Melbourne Docks, Kevin, and the returns were absolutely incredible mate. I'm sure that was the main reason that Usmanov sent Moshiri to Everton, but only the future will tell. This has created billions upon billions of Australian dollars, and the regeneration is nowhere near complete.
Colin Glassar
439 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:37:33
I’d take Roberto and Thierry any day over the FSW and NES. I’d still prefer Mancini out of all of them, or Luis Enrique.
Will Mabon
440 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:38:56
I think I want Ferguson now.
Kevin Jones
441 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:39:22
I haven't renewed my season ticket yet and would seriously consider not doing so if Benitez gets the job. He's one horrible bastard, ask Steve Heighway.

I know a woman who worked at the Kirkby training ground and everyone there hated him. He didn't even go to his own Dad's funeral because Liverpool had a game... who the fuck does that?

Please, Everton, stay away from this arrogant prick.

Anthony Dove
442 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:43:00
I don't understand the variety of arguments put forward against Benitez. There is only one which is relevant. He managed the Red Shite. I despair that any blue would try to find some justification for appointing him.

I have to renew my ticket before 30 June so hopefully a decision will be made by then. If It is Benitez, then it's goodbye from me.

Paul Smith
443 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:43:41
We are a deluded bunch, honestly. Won fuck all in decades, 4 out of 5 seasons we have sacked managers due to being too close to the relegation spots, we called for big Sam, hired mangers who had just managed relegated teams, and some on here are calling for Mancini and going hysterical over Rafa. We’ve lost all perspective, we’re a bit shit guys and have been for years.
Brian Murray
444 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:43:48
You know the saying give me a lucky general before a good one. Where the waiter came from they edged ghost goals to get in champ league final. Handle balls on the line etc so he may bring some of their satanic luck with him. Nah mate stay over the water and regail about your sniping about us and daylight robbery in derbies and cup semis and so on yer beaut.
Jeff Armstrong
445 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:43:57
I want John Daley on the board of directors!

Whatever happened to the club engaging with the fans? another load of flannel.

Paul Hewitt
446 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:44:32
If Martinez gets it, I will lose my shit.
Jamie Crowley
447 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:46:19
OMG I'd dance a fucking jig naked on the banks of the Mersey, after tackling a massive fear of flying in airplanes, if Roberto was appointed manager.

I'd support Roberto coming back under any circumstances. But if it's a straight choice between Roberto Martinez and Rafa Fucking Benitez???

Slam DUNK for Bobby!

Kieran Kinsella
448 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:46:30
Brian Williams/Derek Knox

Hahaha love both ideas

Allen Rodgers
449 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:48:22
I would take Martinez over Benitez, or any other contender, if he brings Lukaku and De Bruyne with him.
Andy Crooks
450 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:49:29
John Daly, good to see you posting again May I assure you that I will not allow Rafa to be our new coach.
Dale Self
451 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:49:30
I certainly give great weight to Mike Gaynes' observations on Martinez as a club coach. At this point however, with the candidates in view and the undoubted adjustments they would have to make to get right with the Everton way, a return of Martinez would likely sooth some of the locker room toxicity and avoid any disappointing expectations. Both sides know what they're getting here and that is unfortunately a big plus after the previous breakdown.
Soren Moyer
452 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:49:47
Its not gonna happen just because ESPN says so.
Dale Self
453 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:51:37
not necessarily, just that someone with some journalistic credibility has attached their name to it. Depends on your opinion of Ogden.
Brian Murray
454 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:52:46
Roberto is like the fella singing zippedy do dar with me blue bird on his shoulder even after another naive hopeless defeat. Great positivity in life but sadly he’s not an earthling.
Jamie Crowley
455 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:52:59
TW just moved this from the Rumor to News section.

Did you hear that? I just cocked my Glock.

Thomas Richards
456 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:54:33
Your better glocking your cock Jamie.
Safer.
Brian Williams
457 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:54:50
Jamie, I'm guessing that's better than if you'd Glocked your cock?
Nick White
458 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:55:00
I don’t want Benitez. But some of the comments saying to get Martinez back? No no NO! I can only assume those who have posted (and no offence to you) we’re not match goers. Post season 1 some of the most boring, rigid, turgid football I’ve had to witness. No flexibility, no lessons learnt, no plan b. Just hope that the opposition manager hadn’t studied us. Almost all the goals we scored were in the same games. Leaky defence. No heart. That West Ham game, 2-0 up, missed a pen, down to 10 men. Brought on Niasse! Lost! Never had a walk back to the car taken so long as everyone wanted to vent! That doesn’t include the derby when he should have been sacked on the pitch at the final whistle. We never want him back!
Barry Rathbone
459 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:55:02
The only positive I can see about Benitez is he is a belligerent bugger who doesn't mind upsetting players and board alike. He's savvy enough to realise most of this crew need chasing and doubtless tuned in to the fact he will get all of 5 mins to do it from the Goodison faithful

If he and Brands do the necessary straight away he could be on to something but this perennial mantra has been unheeded every summer.

Oh! the other good thing is he effectively put Liverpool into liquidation.

Jamie Crowley
460 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:56:20
Brian -

Debatable.

Colin Glassar
461 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:59:01
These last few weeks have been so depressing.
Jamie Crowley
462 Posted 16/06/2021 at 22:00:22
I just realized - I won't be excited to travel to Orlando to see the team if Rafa is appointed.

Hand on heart, I'd just be like, blah.

I'd go. How many times do I get to see the team play in person? I'd look forward to seeing the team play, and honestly I'd look forward to meeting some TWers.

But excited like I was last time they came to South Florida? Nope. Not under Benitez.

David Pearl
463 Posted 16/06/2021 at 22:01:01
I would take Richard Madeley over Beneathus. In any case l want Brands, amd Brands alone to handle transfers. Thats all of them. Not 3 of his and 3 of Carlos, or 4 of his and 3 of Silvas. Or 4 of Walsh and 4 of Koemans. Arrrrghh fucking Everton. Has anyone not recognised this pattern, and wonder why we go around in circles.

And now this

Michael Lynch
464 Posted 16/06/2021 at 22:04:03
Interesting that the poll at the top of this article shows the fans actually are divided - 46% made up or satisfied, 54% disappointed or gutted.

Mind you, there was no option for "suicidal" so maybe a few of us didn't bother ticking a box.

Tom Bowers
465 Posted 16/06/2021 at 22:04:27
He is the latest in a line of experienced managers who have achievements but may no longer have the Midas touch.

It matters not that he was with RS and more the fact that having been unable to do anything with the Barcodes what has he been doing since?

Admittedly his problems at Newcastle could have been down to Mike Ashley more than anything else but I am not sure he is the man to elevate Everton. We shall see but these days I find it hard to have any optimism about Everton after what happened last season.

Victor Johnson
466 Posted 16/06/2021 at 22:06:01
Nil Satis Nisi Turgidium. It was probably high time that we changed our motto anyway. Get ready lads for lashings of turgidity served on a silver platter by the FSW.
Barry Robson
467 Posted 16/06/2021 at 22:06:10
Michael Lynch fucking brilliant. Made me laugh out loud.
Andrew Gaule
468 Posted 16/06/2021 at 22:07:33
He is a top class manager. I hope we appoint him.

He has the nous to get Everton into the top 4...somewhere we should have been this year.

Paul A Smith
469 Posted 16/06/2021 at 22:08:30
The thought of the Gwladys singing this jokers name makes me shiver with illness.

"He still lives on the Wirral you know" seems to be his strongest point these days.

Ex red as Everton manager. Kendall must be turning in his grave God Rest his Soul.

Anthony Dove 447 take a bow mate.

Will Mabon
470 Posted 16/06/2021 at 22:11:29
He is a top class manager. I hope we appoint him. He has the nous to get Everton into the top 4...somewhere we should have been this year. "

Andrew - exactly what was heard (and thought) last time.,"He is a top class manager. I hope we appoint him. He has the nous to get Everton into the top 4...somewhere we should have been this year. "

Andrew - exactly what was heard (and thought) last time.,,,1,22:11:23,,82.2.50.200,ok,19747,06/16/2021 22:11:23,overdrive,reader,,,no 1166377,40925,toffeeweb,16/06/2021,Matthew Williams,mw8797826@gmail.com,"Grim news indeed,all I wanted was a Jock manager (not Moyes) and some Welsh players.

Does our board really hate us this badly!.

Nick Page
471 Posted 16/06/2021 at 22:13:16
Imagine not wanting a manger cos he managed Liverpool. Get over yourselves FFS. I’d rather have Gerrard as captain too than that fucking charlatan pretending to be Chairman and his cronies anywhere near the club. If you want to focus on something focus on that fraud….and how to get rid of him/them.
David Pearl
472 Posted 16/06/2021 at 22:14:24
Paul, the good thing is that the Gwladys already has a couple of songs for him.
Stephen Vincent
473 Posted 16/06/2021 at 22:16:09
Can't believe that any self respecting blue would give a millisecond's thought to having as our manager a fat Spanish has been, whose bug eyed visage is printed on a very large flag and passed around Mount Doom for the orcs and goblins to worship.

Unfuckin believable.

Rob Dolby
475 Posted 16/06/2021 at 22:19:46
Kevin 439. He might have known the market very well almost 20 years ago. He has done nothing for a long time. An ambitious owner and club wouldn't go anywhere near him.
Make no mistake this is a pension top up for an outdated manager living off past glories. In hindsight Ancelotti was the same.

I just hope this is lazy journalism.

Brian Murray
477 Posted 16/06/2021 at 22:21:11
Mathew. One member of it has done us more damage than shankley heysel etc. To efc. Until that changes we could have pep there and nothing will change. Totally cursed with ineptitude
Benjamin Dyke
478 Posted 16/06/2021 at 22:21:49
I reserve judgement until he's actually been appointed and we've seen his team play. His RS links are a huge stick to hit him with if we start badly or play badly. But to me he's ok until his team performs badly consistently. And if he does well and gets us playing solidly and with actual passing and running then I don't care about his past.

The sexy candidates don't want to come. We're left with Howe, Martinez, Nuno, Dyche, Potter (would he come now?), Ferguson. Who else?

Oliver Molloy
479 Posted 16/06/2021 at 22:22:15
Red shite fan on talksport saying "Liverpool legend even considering the Everton job " is a disgrace, he is showing no loyalty to Liverpool.

i agree 100%...

Dave Lynch
480 Posted 16/06/2021 at 22:24:34
Nick@ 477.

Well said that man. Fucking grow up will yis, the past is the past.
He has pedigree unlike Eddie fucking Howe, who would have us relegated in a heartbeat.
Potter is no better either, what do you want? No manager at the start of the campaign.

Matthew Williams
481 Posted 16/06/2021 at 22:25:41
From a once proud,historical, progressive football club to this!.
Andrew Laird
482 Posted 16/06/2021 at 22:26:44
Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.

Haven’t we suffered enough ffs!

Marcel Brands what do you do exactly?

Jamie Crowley
483 Posted 16/06/2021 at 22:27:45
If growing up entails having no pride, hiring a man who's publicly belittled us, and hasn't done shit for years in fact failing at every turn, to lead this beloved Club forward?

I'll stay young, immature, and childish, thank you very much!

Phil Lewis
484 Posted 16/06/2021 at 22:28:47
I despair. This is an unbelievable backward step. This man will succeed only in causing further unrest in the ranks. He is a fraud. We have missed the opportunity to secure the services of Nuno Espirito Santos. A much younger, fresher, tactically astute man. Shame on you Kenwright, our club will continue to stagnate while you, Baxendale, Unsworth and all the other hangers on remain.
Benitez appointment is the final nail in the coffin for me. This whole business stinks.
Jamie Crowley
485 Posted 16/06/2021 at 22:28:51
My Mum just told me to pick up my room.

I've chucked my toys out of the pram.

Christine Foster
486 Posted 16/06/2021 at 22:30:33
I wonder if the board realises that to many of us he is tainted so badly it would never be acceptable? Even if he won a hatful of trophies for us, none of them would shine? I think I am with Jamie on this one, Martinez with all his bluster and faults would be far more of a relief even if we never won a thing. Nuno seems intent on shooting himself in the foot again, so you have to wonder what's going on. No matter who is appointed it's clear that any choice of the candidates offered has split tw into camps extreme in it really is becoming a Hobson's choice unless something is pulled out of a hat that we don't know about yet. Woke up here to a damp and dreary day to match my mood! Ancelotti you have a lot to answer for!
James Flynn
487 Posted 16/06/2021 at 22:32:59
Soren (457) - "Its not gonna happen just because ESPN says so"

Not to mention, the owner who fired him. . . . . . . is still the owner.

Hard believing anyone would want this bull-shitter back.

Jamie Crowley
488 Posted 16/06/2021 at 22:33:10
Oliver at 485 -

A great point!

Any man who's coached them, and then years later turns around to manage their rivals? It speaks to character.

You have to have none to do something like that.

I'd not manage the Red Sox and then manage the Yankees.
I'd not manage the Bruins and then manage the Canadiens.
I'd not manage the Celtics and then manage the Lakers.
I'd not manage the Packers and then manage the Bears.

Pond Scum do that sort of thing. No matter how much time has passed.

Jamie Crowley
489 Posted 16/06/2021 at 22:34:37
Christine -

It's nice to be on your team. An honor.

Your moral compass points north in my book.

Brian Murray
490 Posted 16/06/2021 at 22:35:37
Just curious I wonder if this kopite has been when he sees our away support every other week sold out will still think we are a small club ?
Paul Whittaker
491 Posted 16/06/2021 at 22:35:40
Positives
He’s won things
He’s bought well in the past
He speaks English
Lives in the city
He wants the job when he neither needs the money or the aggro that will hit him from both clubs supporters

Negatives
Previous club
Previous animosity towards the club
Small club mentality of recruiting your neighbours rejects
Apparent boardroom unrest/splits appointment will/has caused
Supporter unrest and disillusionment at clubs decision makers
Won or achieved nothing in past 10 years
Outdated football philosophy?

Rob Dolby
492 Posted 16/06/2021 at 22:36:20
Nick 477. If we attracted him whilst he was actually winning stuff I would be happy and 20 years younger. Reality is he hasn't won anything for a long time. Football has moved on since his tactics worked.

If he is appointed he will be sacked within 18 months.

An ambitious, progressive club would be looking at a manager that has a hunger to win and prove himself. Not one that is living off past glories looking for a pension top up.

Why don't we approach, cappelo, swen, van gal, scolari or klinsman after all their success was also 20 years ago.

Joe McMahon
493 Posted 16/06/2021 at 22:36:54
Food for thought, as many posters like the history in the game. It didn't bother Man Utd fans when Sir Matt Busby gave them so much success. He played over 200 appearances for Manchester City and over 100 for Liverpool.

We all have our opinions, but If Rafa arrives I'll get behind him like all Everton managers (yes inc Big Sam). Personally the only Everton manager i've been glad to see the back of was Walker and Moyes.

Michael McLoughlin
494 Posted 16/06/2021 at 22:39:29
I just wonder If Kenwright and Moshiri are Kopites in disguise
Dave Lynch
495 Posted 16/06/2021 at 22:40:38
No they don't Jamie.
Being a football manager is a job, just like any other job.

Its what they do for a living and whatever team they manage they support and protect them.

Put your toys back in the pram... there's a good boy.

Barry Hesketh
496 Posted 16/06/2021 at 22:40:38
Michael @500
I'm not sure they're in disguise :)
Ray Roche
497 Posted 16/06/2021 at 22:44:43
Just wondering how high on Spurs potential managers list is Benitez?

Not there? Well why is he on ours, and why has he been unemployed for 6 months?

Peter Thistle
498 Posted 16/06/2021 at 22:46:47
It gets harder and harder to support Everton, sigh
Gavin Johnson
499 Posted 16/06/2021 at 22:46:47
I have a big aversion to this happening but am also very intrigued.
Denis Richardson
500 Posted 16/06/2021 at 22:46:50
Not really sure why there’s so much anger at this. He left Liverpool ages ago.

He still loves the area and never moved away so at least has roots, which is not what you can say about most of the others. Santo apparently wants to bring in a ridiculously large back room staff and wants a huge salary, which is also why Spurs said no sharpish.

Benitez has got pedigree and won trophies in England before so why not? Can’t be worse than any other person who’s managed Everton in the last decade. We haven’t even reached a cup final since 2009 never mind doing anything in the league or winning anything.

I would have liked Benitez years ago being honest and if he’s comes, so be it, I’ll for one will be happy. Give the guy a chance and let’s see what he can do (if he comes) before we joins him out.

As usual our squad needs an overhaul (say the same thing every season). So will be interesting to see which players we can get whilst trying to keep our best.

Need to fill about 5 positions in the first XI!

Mark Ryan
501 Posted 16/06/2021 at 22:48:25
Liverpool is just one club he has managed.
There will be those that will not not give him a chance even if he wins every game and gives us a league title. To all those I would say just get behind the team. He's not coming because he wants an argument. He's coming because he wants to be a winner. He clearly believes in himself.
He'll get my support because we are in the gutter right now as a club and we need to get out of it. Ancelotti has left us high and dry. Take your spite out on him if need be but whoever takes over, Benitez included, needs to to be given our backing, the backing of the fans. Lets not let the club down. Lets not be petulant, let's try and have a good season. It's time to come out of the doldrums. Whoever takes on the job will get my full support. The time for sulking is well and truly over. We have had years of crap to moan about. I stood in the Gwladys Street aged 8 back in 1970. It's time we all get behind the club again and drag ourselves out of this mire
Neil Cremin
502 Posted 16/06/2021 at 22:48:48
I'll nail my colours to the mast and he excites me as much as Martinez, Koeman and Silva.
If we were taking a risk, I would have gone with Nuno and more reluctantly Potter.

Wishing for managers of National teams is delusional, why would you leave the manager of Belgium, Italy or Spain to take on the poison chalice of the Everton job when the likes of Carlo couldn't hack it and looked to get out the first change he got.
Wishing for marquis managers is just that wishful thinking see comment re Carlo above. Who would take the risk.
Looks like we have a choice of Benitez and Nuno and to me the role of Ferguson is the key.
At one stage last year when we had Sam, I would have considered Benitez but now for some reason I am luke warm.
Hopefully, he will grow on me when we stop leaking goals, start winning a few matches by the odd goal and are nicely secure in 5-8place in league. Then in the Januarly windown he unearth a bargain of a midfield dynamo who will bring us onwards and upwards to the next level.

Paul Smith
503 Posted 16/06/2021 at 22:49:39
With Dave Lynch on this, it’s a career and they crave success wherever they go. Couldn’t give a monkeys if he managed Liverpool or supports Liverpool or adorns his fuckin man shed with liver bird bunting as long as he gives his all for Everton as he will be employed to do and if he’s shite he can be jibbed.
Andrew Bentley
504 Posted 16/06/2021 at 22:50:42
The worry here is that if we do take Benitez and we don’t start well then we’ll all turn on him quicker than for any other previous manager (even Allardyce) due to all the reasons everyone has outlined.

This has the potential for a really negative outcome

Rob Dolby
505 Posted 16/06/2021 at 22:51:17
Joe 499. Football has moved on a lot since Busby. It's a global game now with the highest standards of every aspect. Tactics and players are at an all time high.

The game has moved on since Benitez glory days. Much in the same way for Mourinho, Ancelotti, van gal etc.

Money talks with City and Chelsea paving the way. This appointment signals that Moshiri wants an experienced prem manager that can keep us in the division not challenge.

Can anyone see Moshiri appointing Benitez and then bankrolling him to break our 4 year old transfer record multiple times just to try and climb a few places? I can see another loan in January for another no mark whilst we hover around mid table.

Jamie Crowley
506 Posted 16/06/2021 at 22:51:29
Dave -

Managers, CEOs, CFOs, anyone in a leadership position, can demonstrate loyalty to employers and former employers throughout their time on earth.

It's called fealty. And it's a marvelous human characteristic in the main.

People who say things like, "it's just a job", justifying turncoats and courses of action that benefit themselves, are selfish dicks with no regard to others feelings. Not every time, but in this case, that's how I see it.

Aw fuck. I need to clean my room again.

And lastly, it's a brave thing to tell people pissed off that some jack wagon who's on the verge of becoming manager of Everton, and who verbally shit on the Club and demeaned them, to grow up. It's really brave. Are you the arbiter of maturity?

I'd suggest you look at this slightly differently, and mature your own thought process. I'd wager most adults don't welcome into their ranks others who have demeaned family members.

Rafa demeaned the Everton Family in my opinion. I don't want him any where near this Club. That's not immature. Paternal, protective, pack-oriented thinking possibly. But immature, nah.

Now Rafa - FUCK OFF.

^^ That was immature, and it was cathartic as fuck. I loved it.

Bill Gall
507 Posted 16/06/2021 at 22:53:00
Just another name been drawn out of the hat to go along with the other 12 or more managers we have been told was our next manager.

I do not think he is a good choice but not because of what he said about the club, as if I was lucky enough to have the qualifications to have managed Liverpool just calling Everton a small club would have been a mild quote from me just to piss the supporters off.

I don't believe he is a good choice as he doesn't seem to be up to date on the modern game. But ignoring the quote he does seem more qualified than other names mentioned.

Ron Marr
508 Posted 16/06/2021 at 22:58:27
Joe #499. I was thinking that myself. Sir Matt Busby as a player was the Citeh captain prior to WW2 and the RS captain post WW2. As a manager he won the league with Man Utd and the Busby Babes who had an average team age of 21. George Graham didn't fare as well with Spurs after Arsenal.

Nothing wrong with the small team comment, it was true with BK the owner.

Rafa would not be my choice but nobody has called me yet, must be the 8 hour time difference ha ha.

John Keating
509 Posted 16/06/2021 at 22:59:43
Whoever it is please no more long contracts.
Max 2 years, maybe a year option after.
If the rumour of Benitez is true and he’s desperate for the job then offer shit money and let’s see how much he wants it
Giving up with this managerial nonsense
John Raftery
510 Posted 16/06/2021 at 22:59:52
We need an experienced, hard nosed type of manager who knows this league and what is required to deliver positive results. It matters not a jot if he is disliked by the fans.

Back in the sixties there were many fans who disliked Harry Catterick. Very few if any warmed to him. It didn’t matter. All that mattered was the outcome on the pitch.

As a club we need to cast aside the notion of the manager as a superhero, a messiah-like figure who will lead us into the promised land. Getting the right person to do the job is more important than getting someone popular who will receive a warm reception from fans.

If Benitez is appointed the only thing which matters is what happens on the pitch.

Jerome Shields
511 Posted 16/06/2021 at 23:00:46
Rafa main qualification is that he is a Big Name. No other big names are interested. What has he promised to do ? To turn a small club into a Big one.

The only reason I can think he is being recruited is reverse psychology. Employ someone that is hated by Finch Farm, the Fans and it might work out different than expected.

What is the main reason that he is interested in the job ? Rafa finds travelling stressful. More stressful than the Everton faithful baying for his blood.

Pretty unbelievable twist if true.

Martin Berry
512 Posted 16/06/2021 at 23:03:40
If it is Benitez then whats the fuss, he is far more experienced than Nuno and many others that have been thrown around.
He will get the players fit and organised and he does not mess about, surely this will be a positive considering the dross we have suffered for most of last season.
As for being unaware of the modern game etc, tactics and formations don't change they have been around for ages but knowing how to manage them and how to fit your players into them is the sign of a good manager. I believe Benitez is a good manager and along with Brands and some good acquisitions we will do well.
James Flynn
513 Posted 16/06/2021 at 23:10:42
Soren (431) - Thanks. I went and looked. Not quite the hilarious stuff on here.

Most hilarious, the calls for Roberto to come back. Hahahaha! Oh my God.

Paul Jones
514 Posted 16/06/2021 at 23:13:39
Benitez in his appointments at Valencia, Newcastle and Liverpool was popular with fans on the basis that he did stand up to dysfunctional owners and delivered success for Valencia and Liverpool, at Newcastle had relative success given the the mysterious sleazy ownership and unreasonable expectations of the fans. Some might consider him ideal for the job.
My concern would be that his methods like Mourinho seem outdated and the game at the top has moved on from that negative style of football.
Barry Hesketh
515 Posted 16/06/2021 at 23:13:42
Ron @511
I think you've spotted the real truth of the matter, the money tree has been felled, therefore the list of eligible candidates has shrunk, it may even have been a major reason as to why Ancelotti jumped ship.

I think they wanted Moyes as their top target but he decided he'd continue with what he's started to build at West Ham, I suspect that none of the up-and-coming managers such as Howe and Potter were considered, because they would prove to be too risky.

Nuno, is available and could be the right type of manager for Everton, but if his backroom staff overburdened the club financially, that would rule him out. Benitez, out of work and available, living locally, I would think he must have a good idea of the Everton player's strengths and weaknesses, therefore he becomes a viable proposition for the board.

Money talks and when a club has wasted as much as Everton has in the last few years, it's no surprise when the cheapest option is taken at the most inopportune time.

Hard for any Evertonians to swallow but the reality of wasting millions of pounds year on year could not continue forever and as a result, we've ended up with a 'choice' of manager that only the boardroom will be content with.

Tom Harvey
516 Posted 16/06/2021 at 23:14:20
I've stolen this from Grand Old Team, it sums up how I'm feeling.

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Joe McMahon
517 Posted 16/06/2021 at 23:15:23
Rob @511, I agree football is different now but supporters passion isn't. I mentioned it like I said as many on this site talk about history a lot. Catterick had been mentioned by a poster tonight for example. History isn't my thing personally, but supporters passion 50 years ago would have been there in abundance.
Ian Jones
518 Posted 16/06/2021 at 23:15:46
Re an earlier comment about Rafa Benitez not attending his own father's funeral. Whilst it does seem odd, in his defence I believe the tradition in Spain is for a funeral to take place within 24 to 48 hours of a death so depending where he was, it might not be possible to attend. However, I think there is often some other form of ceremony about a week later...so assume he was present at that one.

On the subject of the new manager, either Benitez or Martinez would do for me...

Soren Moyer
519 Posted 16/06/2021 at 23:17:04
Listen up! He won't be a Mosh signing if he is appointed. Its fucking teary Billy who wants him at GP. Full stop.
Pete Cross
520 Posted 16/06/2021 at 23:20:38
There’s a documentary about Martinez on bbc at 23:30 tonight could be interesting!
Robert Tressell
521 Posted 16/06/2021 at 23:23:23
When we last appointed a manager, I said that it could go one of three ways:

- Moyes: indicating that Moshiri was going to stop the spending.

- Genesio (the Galtier of 18 months or so ago): indicating that we would aim to develop players and build a team.

- Ancelotti: indicating that Moshiri would be spending big to match the ambition of getting in a big name manager.

As it happens, we did improve the failed squad that got Silva sacked but it was pretty modest spending and so we inevitably got nowhere near the top 4.

Appointing Benitez would be a cringeworthy attempt to maintain the fiction that we're a big club - when no other Premier League club (let alone big club) would be remotely interested in him. It would also reinforce the idea that we really don't have any strategy other than to stay relevant while the stadium is being built.

What we need to do is stop pretending and actually build the club back up. That means going down the patient and maybe boring route of Santo or (beggars can't be choosers) Dyche as our new Moyes - or getting the likes of Potter, Terzic or (stranger things have happened) Cocu or Van Bronkhorst as the guy who coaches players brought in by Brands.

I think our only realistic chance of success is patient building (given our modest budget) so I hope we don't hire someone just because they are unemployed and live locally. Otherwise might as well appoint Joey Boswell.

Laurie Hartley
522 Posted 16/06/2021 at 23:29:42
I find the Benitez link very depressing. Surely there is a manager out there who has the football nous and man management skills to bring some sort of stability and happiness back to this club.

Soren Moyer
523 Posted 16/06/2021 at 23:34:22
James (519). Hilarious indeed. Can you imagine Bobby brown shoes in GP dugout again!!? Some TWers must have a very short memory and have forgotten how crap he was during his spell as our manager. Not to mention the huge compo we paid him for his dismissal! Never again!
Keith Slinger
524 Posted 16/06/2021 at 23:41:07
No No, and fucking no from me, we all hate ex LFC players and Managers, so why would senor Benitez change things?
Mike Gaynes
525 Posted 16/06/2021 at 23:42:32
Jamie #512... "...verbally shit on the Club and demeaned them..."??

Here's what he said, 14 years ago, in a moment of frustrated pettiness after an emotional game:

"I was really disappointed because one team wanted to win the game and one team didn't want to lose it."
"Everton put eight or nine men behind the ball and defended deep but that's what small clubs do."

"When a team comes to Anfield and only want a point what else can you call them but a small club?"

Really? That's what we're supposed to be still foaming at the mouth about after all these years? That's what constitutes "shitting on the club"? Geez, I've read more insulting comments between TW posters just today. And he later admitted it was a mistake.

I don't want this guy either, because I think he's a crap manager now, but this degree of outrage over a mild insult from back when Bob Barker was still on TV is a bit silly, isn't it?

Anthony Murphy
526 Posted 16/06/2021 at 23:44:35
Reminds me of the George Graham saga when he took over at Spurs. It caused raised eyebrows and if I remember it was actually the Arsenal fans who were less happy. As it turned out, he was a failure at Spurs and never managed again.

I’m less bothered by his RS links and comments - I just think it’s a missed opportunity and a retrograde step. Barry #521 has it spot on.

Michael Boardman
527 Posted 16/06/2021 at 23:46:04
From the BBC Gossip column:

Sheffield United could be forced to accept Arsenal's proposed deal for Norwegian midfielder Sander Berge. The 23-year-old has said he hopes to play Champions League football next season. (Sheffield Star)

. the media are so clued up, so can see why we're believing everything they spout.

Jay Harris
528 Posted 16/06/2021 at 23:52:26
I just hope we don't find out that Nuno didnt fancy it because he was forced to have big Dunc as his assistant and Benitez has no problem with that because he is desperate to get back to the area and gainfully employed.
Bill Gienapp
530 Posted 16/06/2021 at 23:58:43
Jamie (512) - I feel for you, my man. No one on here was more excited at the prospect of Nuno... and I'm not sure anyone on here is more violently opposed to Rafa. No one should have to endure that level of emotional whiplash in 24 hours.
Jamie Crowley
531 Posted 16/06/2021 at 23:59:19
Mike.

Yes, that's what I'm still foaming at the mouth about.

When he says, "...what else can you call them but a small club?"

That's an insult. A little jibe, a nasty one.

When he says, "When a team comes to Anfield and only want a point what else can you call them but a small club?"

Again, that's an insult. He didn't need to say those things. He could have, quite classy, pointed out what his team did correctly, and lauded the defensive efforts of his opposition. He didn't. He insulted. He's lacking class, never mind the fact no one should like or forget those words.

And the insult was an arrogant, condescending thing. It was intentional, as again, he certainly didn't have to say it.

He insulted the Club, you, me, every supporter, and played cocky little fat fuck by being condescending.

I personally will never forgot it. And therefore, I don't want him anywhere near this Club.

What ever happened to pride? Why are we considering a man for our managerial position who insulted us?

And if that isn't enough, ask yourself, why does this dick want to manage us? Manage a "small club" in his words, now?

We shouldn't even give the guy the time of day.

It's like when Moyes left and he said (paraphrase) about Bobby, again condescendingly as fuck, "oh, he'll figure out how that club is run." As soon as he said it I soured on him - forever.

I am foaming at the mouth about it, still. The fact we've even entertained hiring this guy is so frustrating to me I can't describe it in words.

In an honest moment as I'm trying to consider the direction of my anger due to your post, I think it may (MAY) be directed at our Board for considering hiring a man who's so arrogantly, condescendingly, and publicly insulted us with THAT comment.

If I ran an organization and you called me "small" with a clear negative connotation, while you were employed by my rival in the marketplace, I'd not ever hire you. I don't care how long a time had passed.

That's me. TW is full of people with different opinions. That's mine.

I call it pride. Some people say get over it. I can't.

Jamie Crowley
532 Posted 16/06/2021 at 00:01:21
Bill @536 -

Yes. I think my vitriol is at a very high peak.

I've gone from guy I immediately said I wanted as manager out of the frame, to a man I've detested for a very, very long time.

I appreciate you noticing that dynamic.

Dave Cooney
533 Posted 16/06/2021 at 00:03:09
Apart from Fat Sam, I have been excited by all of Moshiri’s previous choices and they have all failed miserably.The odds are probably against the next chap so I have decided to hate him and get into massive arguments on the site for the foreseeable future.. I think this may be the best way forward seeing as we’ll probably get Moyes like football finishing 7-8th in the next 3 seasons.
Even if he does do exceptional for us, he will move to Madrid citing he was never really accepted here anyway and I will still be proved right.
Pete Clarke
534 Posted 16/06/2021 at 00:03:31
There is no way Evertonians will take to this man. For somebody like him to be accepted the football would need to be highly skilled, eye catching, organised and high scoring.
There is absolutely no chance of that happening with the footballers we have so the crowd would immediately turn on him and he would be gone in months, Mosh is out of pocket again and we start the search for a new manager.
I’m done if he comes to us and not because of his past connections but more to do with how it makes us look and the sheer ineptitude it would show our leaders have. Big Sam was bad enough 😡
Jamie Crowley
535 Posted 17/06/2021 at 00:05:16
Soren and James "Leprechaun" Flynn -

If it came down to just two choices, only two choices, would you prefer?

Rafa Benitez

or

Roberto Martinez?

Which one?

Jamie Crowley
536 Posted 17/06/2021 at 00:09:28
Oh by the way -

This actually made the satelite radio over here. Quite briefly, but it was mentioned.

Brian Dunseth on Counter Attack said:

Imagine being Everton. You go from hiring Nuno to Rafa Benitez. Wonder how that's gonna work out?

We're a laughing stock in America now! It can't get much worse!

Rob Dolby
537 Posted 16/06/2021 at 00:10:26
I would welcome him with open arms if his prior successes where recent but they are a distant memory. The game has moved on.

The ex shite manager issue isn't that big a deal to me.

Sheedy, Ablett, Dave Watson, Peter Reid all lpool fans that ran through brick walls for the blues.

Let's face it if klopp wanted to sign for us would there be the same uproar?

The appointment would be underwhelming to say the least.

Stephen Vincent
538 Posted 17/06/2021 at 00:11:38
If it is FSW, Branthwaite, Gordon and Simms may as well stay right were they are, cos they ain't going to have a prayer back at head office.
Phil Wood
539 Posted 17/06/2021 at 00:11:50
If Rafa is the new Boss then it is what it is. Just get on with it.
Derek Thomas
540 Posted 16/06/2021 at 00:12:18
Whoever the Harry Lime was on the Keys / Grey nearly said...the small club jibe should be enough to disqualify him, add to that his record over the last 10yrs is average at best.
Plus he's already partaken of the Chinese big money pre-retirement kool-aid dollars.

Is this what we're reduced to? Giving a fuckin rs twat a nice part time job / hobby he can do from Caldy.

Its bad enough if this is Moshiri's Idea...I mean we know he hasn't much of a clue, but it is his train set after all (which it isn't really, its ours...only it isn't. But that would be, to quote Father Ted - an ecumenical matter)

I can easily believe half a dozen 'bad' things about BPB on any given day...but even he is not that daft...unless he IS real 'Agent Kenwright'.

Only at Everton.

Dale Self
541 Posted 17/06/2021 at 00:12:46
Go Jamie Go! Sorry it's from a tested place but good to see your energy here man. Keep it going. And thanks for keeping an eye to the small details.
Dale Self
542 Posted 17/06/2021 at 00:14:31
Goddamnit Rob, why did you have to say Dave Watson was a red fan? fuck me.
Mike Gaynes
543 Posted 16/06/2021 at 00:15:52
Sorry, Jamie, I heard it when he said it, and I thought it was just a snotty little crack. The idea that so many people would be so outraged by such a lightweight gibe so many years later is just utterly ridiculous to me. Makes us come off as a bunch of snowflakes.

Bibi Netanyahu bragged about manipulating America... called us “...a thing you can move very easily, move it in the right direction.” We still engaged with him and supported Israel.

Steve Jobs insulted Apple after he left. They still hired him back. Worked out pretty well.

It's half a generation later. Bush ain't president anymore. Desperate Housewives is off the air. Fergie isn't hot anymore. Anna Nicole Smith is still dead. Time to stop chewing on it already.

And oh by the way, Benitez ain't a good manager anymore. THAT's why we shouldn't hire the guy. Not some sniveling comment 14 years old.

Howard Don
544 Posted 17/06/2021 at 00:16:09
Benitez owes LFC no loyalty, they sacked him for goodness sake.
Gavin Johnson
545 Posted 17/06/2021 at 00:19:03
Alan Myers says Rafa hasn't been offered the job. I'm hoping it's all a diversion tactics and a big smokescreen and we'll surprise everyone and unveil Conte as our new manager.

If Rafa does get the job I'll be very intrigued. He certainly has the cojones and will give it his all. I bet a few TW posters like Ian Edwards will start to miss the Carlo days if Rafa serves up the football like he did at Newcastle.

Lets hope he'll be a lil more progressive with better players and a bigger budget

Jack Convery
546 Posted 17/06/2021 at 00:24:01
Hi - Is this the room for an arguement ?

No. Its Toffee Web.

Are you sure. There appears to be plenty of arguing going on.

No. Its Toffee Web.

Why all the arguing then ?

Because Everton Football Club are run by idiots that's why.

What idiots ?

Sorry but it will take too long to explain and I have a plane to Switzerland to catch.

Daniel A Johnson
547 Posted 17/06/2021 at 00:24:14
Bring back Bobby brown shoes bring back Marco Silva but Jesus Rafa? It just boggles my brain how this could even happen.

How?

Such a horrible arrogant man to boot. The fan base will Never ever warm to him. Never.

If this happens it’s obvious Marcel Brands has about as much influence as an empty crisp packet in Rhinos bin at the club.

We are now a laughing stock

Jack Convery
548 Posted 17/06/2021 at 00:30:47
Hello is that the Jobcentre ? Mr Moshiri here. Do you have a football Manager on your books. You do ! Wonderful. Do you know if he's willing to live in the Merseyside area ? He already does. How Wonderful. Send him to Goodison Park asap and tell him to ask for my good friend Mr Kenwright. Thank You.
Bill Gienapp
549 Posted 17/06/2021 at 00:33:51
Jay (534) - This actually wouldn't surprise me at all.

What's interesting is that Duncan is no longer just some glorified mascot. He has a successful caretaker stint on his resume. Many people bought into the idea of him being positioned as Ancelotti's eventual successor. If reports are to be believed, he threw his hat in the ring for the full-time gig.

In other words, why *would* Nuno want a guy around who's basically a direct rival for his job? He'd have to know that it would be that much easier for the board to sack him if they knew Duncan was waiting in the wings to take over.

Rafa, on other hand, is unlikely to care about all that. He's had more jobs than he can count. He just wants to be employed.

Steve Brown
550 Posted 17/06/2021 at 00:43:53
Martinez or Benitez? It's like trying to choose between Hitler and Stalin.
Joe Digney
551 Posted 17/06/2021 at 00:44:54
I have never commented on here before although I have been reading the site for many years since me dad showed me it when I was a kid. I'm probably on the younger side of ToffeeWebbers (born in 1993) but I just feel the need to comment and voice another opinion.

I'll back any Everton manager because it's what we do as Blues we stick together and go to war together no matter what, but I just can't get excited about Benitez. I can make myself get excited about Nuno because he's young and hungry with more modern ideas on football.

Benitez is yesterday's man, he really hasn't been an elite manager for years and the Premier League is a different beast from when he was successful with Liverpool. I highly doubt he has the hunger and drive still left in him for the huge job that is Everton.

It's just a convenience for him working close to home and his family while knowing Everton pay well. Truly disappointed and deflated for next season, to me it smacks of Moshiri being out of touch with supporters while just being happy to keep us plodding along until he has built the ground being able to then turn a profit on selling the club.

Dale Self
552 Posted 17/06/2021 at 00:58:11
Good move, Joe. And yes, you seem to be one of the younger ones, so please do come back.
Kieran Kinsella
553 Posted 17/06/2021 at 01:02:16
Ayman Al Zawahiri linked now. Long term number two, had some success in the top job in France and the Middle East. More popular than Rafa.
John Boon
554 Posted 17/06/2021 at 01:51:31
Hard to take. Even harder to swallow. It has united all Evertonians in the worst possible way…

But, if we win the first 38 games of the new season…???

Kieran Kinsella
555 Posted 17/06/2021 at 01:55:19
John,

If we win the first 38 games, we will give him a vote of confidence then review things after the next three. As John Moores said “Everton expect the best”.

Soren Moyer
556 Posted 17/06/2021 at 02:01:33
Jamie, 541.

The former never in my lifetime, but the latter only if our lives depend on it.

Kristian Boyce
557 Posted 17/06/2021 at 02:27:45
I wouldn't be surprized that we'll get a couple of new names on the list tomorrow. Going from Morshiri's track record, I'm half expecting Souness & Dagliesh to be on it.
Kieran Kinsella
558 Posted 17/06/2021 at 02:33:02
Just give it to Speedo Mick. He's got bigger balls and more heart than this list of outcasts, freak shows and rejects.
Ed Prytherch
559 Posted 17/06/2021 at 02:38:00
I am fairly happy that Nuno and his Portuguese mafia look less likely to take over.
Kieran Kinsella
560 Posted 17/06/2021 at 02:44:10
Dominic King saying Moshiri wants Rafa but “others” on the board have concerns.

I know for a fact Kenwright talks shit to the media on Moshiri — don't ask me how I know but I know — while pretending to toe the party line. He was undermining Walsh and later Allardyce from day one to the press while acting Luvvie dovie in public.

This creates a problem for me. I hate Rafa but I think I dislike Kenwright more. So this “leak” to the Mail may cause me to become a turncoat and ditch Jamie and Co in order to fight the greater enemy — Bill Kenwright.

Mike Gaynes
561 Posted 17/06/2021 at 03:01:51
Joe #557, welcome. We sure could use some youth around here. Normally you'd be required to post in the ToffeeWeb under-30s for a year or two, but your first post showed so much promise that you're going straight into the first team.

John #560, only if that includes a good FA Cup run.

Steve #556, bit too far over the top there, mate... but yes, it's a pretty ugly choice.

Barry Williams
562 Posted 17/06/2021 at 03:21:29
There might be some legitimacy in the reports, and maybe not - we will not know until the manager is appointed. I am actually fine that the appointment is taking a long time - players aren't getting signed much at the mo - and we do have a Director of Football after all - which leads me to my next point.

Shouldn't we just be going after managers/coaches whatever they are called these days who have worked with Directors of Football before? Thus, shouldn't Brands be doing the hiring? For all that we know, he might be!

Anyways, I have had no strong feelings for any of the candidates floated in the media for a number of reasons but this link - however tenuous - I have!

NO NO NO and thrice NO!

Why (beyond the obvious - which I will get to).

When he was at the unmentionables - I remember seeing his transfer record - maybe clouded by time, but I recall he bought a lot of players - paid a lot for them - and had a massive turnover. The opposite of what Everton require.

Plus, when was he last successful? His last job was in Dalian China - I have been there, cannot remember it, but you do not go to these Chinese cities other than for money. It wasn't for the challenge. That brings me onto Newcastle. Those who follow more closely than moi might be able to tell me what he did with them that Bruce hasn't. Genuine question.

Now, the red connection. The small club jibe goes beyond just the words. No need, sour grapes, lack of class and looking for excuses as to why his team could not win a game - do we need that?

Lets say he is successful - well, Everton needed a guy whose association was mainly with the unmentionables to get to success - and at some point he'll leave. If then Everton then go through a period of perceived failure - How does that reflect on the club?

When things go tits up - as they will for a period, this will be a toxic atmosphere like never experienced.

This is why my verdict is

NO NO NO and NO!

I could be wrong - very wrong as I have been in the past with management recruitment and opinions - but for me - a guy who has stopped watching all football besides Everton (for many reasons which I can wax lyrical about) and is just hanging onto Everton by a thread due to many reasons too, this appointment would be the end of my support for Everton after over 40 years. I remember how Evertonians were appalled at the possibility of Toshack taking over (I wasn't at the time) - How things have changed!

However - could all be - and I think/hope it is - media speculation!

Phil Smith
563 Posted 17/06/2021 at 03:34:25
No no no no! I for one will boycott the club if he’s appointed.
Alan J Thompson
564 Posted 17/06/2021 at 04:21:30
If this happens then Kenwright, Moshiri, Brands, the CEO and even Usmanov need running out of the club, Traitors All!
Terence Leong
566 Posted 17/06/2021 at 04:45:38
Probably the most number of posts in singular ToffeeWeb thread that I've seen all these years...

But understandably so. I think most people's issues are more because Rafa's performances since being Liverpool's manager, has been at best average, while serving up dross football.

That's my main issue, it's disappointing if it happens. I guess I'll just manage my expectations, and take a more detached approach in supporting the club.

When fans become more indifferent and more spectator-like instead, that's probably the saddest state of affairs.

Oh well, the wheels on the bus go round and round...

Jay Woods [LAT]
567 Posted 17/06/2021 at 05:07:22
So in the heat of the moment he called EFC a small club (or more accurately, as I recall, spoke of a small club mentality because the team didn't open up and let LFC rip them apart). And? Why is that "unforgivable"? Haven't we all said stupid things in moments of frustration?

Don't get me wrong, I'm not exactly salivating at the prospect of him being appointed, but it's not because of some petty vendetta; it's just I would prefer a "next generation" appointment, someone up to speed with modern thought on the game.

Joe Digney
568 Posted 17/06/2021 at 05:28:29
Mike @ 567 haha thanks mate I’m ready for the step up.

Dale @ 558 I’m here for the long haul mate, reading ToffeeWeb with my morning coffee is part of daily routine 👍🏻

Peter Brogan
569 Posted 17/06/2021 at 05:47:47
Let's just back Rafa. We need to stop looking in the past and that includes bringing back ex-managers who brought us no silverware first time around. Rafa is the best in the market and his record is outstanding.

At Chelsea 40,000 home fans booed him but he still got them a Top 4 and a trophy… I’ll certainly take that and it shows the character of the man. Let's look forwards not backwards.

Lester Yip
570 Posted 17/06/2021 at 05:59:02
The more I think about it, the more I think the names being thrown around are just smoke-screens, thinking of how things being done last time.

My guess is it would be someone quite unexpected. And Moshiri can see that a big name can help the image of the club. He will pay big money. It should be a big name with a record of trophies.

Darryl Ritchie
571 Posted 17/06/2021 at 06:02:49
With Benitez we'll just be treading water; the same goes for Santo. We need a fresh start with a modern thoughts and fresh ideas.

Football is like chess. Anybody can play it, but to excel takes intelligence and flair. With the two mentioned above, I think we'll be playing checkers.

Although, if Brands doesn't have a good summer, it won't matter who manages the team.

Derek Knox
572 Posted 17/06/2021 at 06:11:14
According to Alan Myers the FSW is NOT in the running please see link below. This is another thing I don't understand, Farhad Moshiri is not on the Board yet allegedly is doing the hiring and firing! Can someone please explain?

https://www.goodisonnews.com/2021/06/16/alan-myers-rafa-benitez-has-not-been-offered-everton-job/

Danny O’Neill
573 Posted 17/06/2021 at 06:24:31
Cards on the table, in the past, I've not been against this one. I can't remember which appointment on the recent manager merry go round we've been on, which says a lot, but I wasn't against it. It might have been when we appointed Silva.

The ex-Liverpool connection doesn't concern me as much. As many have pointed out, we've done it with players, one of them being my favourite of all time. The small club jibe? I'm with Jay (BRZ), heat of the moment, straight after a derby, he was Liverpool manager and frustrated. And, likely referring to our mentality and approach to the game, as well as talking in a secondary language. I think some of the heated comments we see across the board is often an issue with interviewing managers live straight after a match when the adrenaline & emotion is still running high. No cool off period, but its good for the cameras.

BUT. No. That ship sailed. We've tried the past glory manager and it didn't work. Also, too divisive. Well is it? Most, just about all of us don't want it, so that's probably a contradiction. But in terms of the fan base and connection with the manager, we'd be in Sam Allardyce territory here. I don't think it would bother him and he would handle it. Look how he did at Chelsea and just focussed on the team and the football. He shut it out. It's us I worry about.

We're waiting until after the Euros to pick up one of the newly available international coaches or are going to approach Edin Terzic. If I keep saying and thinking it

I'm off to walk and talk to the dogs.

Mike Gaynes
574 Posted 17/06/2021 at 06:36:16
DK #578, happy to explain.

The Myers article you linked does NOT say the FSW is not in the running.

It says he has not been offered the job... but talks have taken place, so he IS in the running.

Also, Moshiri is very definitely on the Board, as majority shareholder.

Now get some rest, my friend.

Paul Smith
575 Posted 17/06/2021 at 06:48:13
I’m more aghast that we possibly wanted Moyes back. I’m resigned to a more years of fighting for the minor Euro places so Rafa will do. Get some stability and the ground built then let’s see.
Andrew Ellams
576 Posted 17/06/2021 at 07:11:36
Sky tell us he's about to get the job, this and other Everton fan forums explode and now the process seems much further back than we were initially led to believe.

Somebody at the club fishing?

Stuart Bellamy
579 Posted 17/06/2021 at 07:22:56
Just reading Dominic King's tweet, to me it seems to indicate that Rafa (or more likely his agent) has leaked to the press that the talks went very well and he is 'expecting' an offer, and that this has been interpreted by the press as he 'will' or even 'has' been offered it. but who knows.

King also said the appointment is being completely driven by Moshiri and only him; personally, I refuse to believe he would not be consulting his Director of Football after putting one in place.

Laurie Hartley
580 Posted 17/06/2021 at 07:27:00
Putting myself in Farhad Moshiri’s shoes just for a minute there is a lot, and I mean a lot, hundreds of millions of £, at stake here. He has to get the ground built to have any chance of recouping what he has lost (invested??) so far.

To get the ground built he has to keep us in the Premier League and that means a manager with a safe pair of hands. He just isn’t going to take a risk this time round - he has got to get it right. That is why, unpalatable as it is to the majority of us, Benitez is in the frame.

But the well proportioned lady hasn’t sung just yet. Until she does I won’t give up hope of a pleasant surprise.

Ray Roche
581 Posted 17/06/2021 at 07:31:16
Steve Brown @556

You say Rafa or Martinez—- like trying to choose between Hitler and Stalin…..,

Or choosing which of your testicles to hit with a mallet.

Matt Hunter
582 Posted 17/06/2021 at 07:35:49
Over 25 years a season ticket holder and I've seen a lot. This is the ultimate humiliation if true. To have a manager who is completely used up, who serves up the most turgid football that you can see, is one thing but to have the indignity of it being the fat Spanish waiter makes me actually feel sick.

I wouldn't want Everton to win anything under him, I know nothing about him personally but and I will make it my business to hound him out of the job as quickly as possible.

As for the fans who are supporting his appointment, I can only assume you haven't grown up in the city or lived in the city. I am not insulting those fans, I would however just like to say that you don't get it. If you truly support him as our manager, you don't truly get the club and what Everton means. This is not a player, this is a manager who belongs in heart to that lot and who will be the face of the football club. I certainly wouldn't sell the club’s soul for Rafa Benitez he's a total football dinosaur.

The club is now a total laughing stock with it's core fan base. I have to think very hard now about the renewal of my season ticket.

Colin Glassar
583 Posted 17/06/2021 at 07:39:21
Moshiri is a football idiot. Let's get that out of the way first. The man hasn't got a clue and his bloated sidekick doesn't help matters either. So I agree with Laurie, this appointment (if it happens) is all about survival in the Premier League until the stadium is built. Hopefully, he will then sell us to someone with more sense, and money.

Stuart, Dominic King is full of poo. Don't believe a word he says. If Benitez isn't appointed today then I think that means Mr Blobby has convinced Farhad Moshiri to wait for Martinez.

Sam Hoare
584 Posted 17/06/2021 at 07:40:03
Fascinating dance they are leading us on!

Seems to me that the media are shooting in the dark almost as much as we are. Probably they are being used by the club.

For example, if NES is their favourite, as seems quite possible, but the reaction to his possible appointment seemed negative then what better way to shore it up than throwing in Benitez as an alternative.

I'm not a big NES fan but, next to Rafa, I'd be delighted to secure the Portuguese ex-goalkeeper!

Would not be surprised at all to see someone come in from left-field and get the job in the next few weeks. Mancini might be flavour of the month if Italy keep playing this well. Or someone like Andre Villas-Boas who has always intrigued me and actually had a better win % at Tottenham than the lauded Pochettino. Maybe Hassenhuttl who many blues liked the look of at times last season or Amorim the bright young thing who led Sporting to their first league title in 19 years?

I wonder if this saga is maybe due to take another twist or turn yet? With Brands in charge of player recruitment (and hopefully responsible for outlining the playing style and philosophy at the club) I guess there is no rush to find a new manager for a few more weeks yet.

Ray Roche
585 Posted 17/06/2021 at 07:46:29
Sam, I thought Vilas-Boas had turned his back on football, preferring professional rally driving instead?
Andrew Ellams
586 Posted 17/06/2021 at 07:52:37
Ray, he was at Marseille until earlier this year.
Colin Glassar
587 Posted 17/06/2021 at 07:53:15
Same, Ray. I think he’s semi-retired. I see Crystal Palace are talking to Lucien Favre. Now he’s a really good, progressive manager.

I still think there’s something dodgy with these “rumours” about Rafa.

John Cook
588 Posted 17/06/2021 at 07:56:24
Get ready for "Come in, Agent Rafa, job well done!"
Ray Roche
589 Posted 17/06/2021 at 07:57:41
I didn’t know that Andrew, like Colin, I thought he’d virtually turned his back on football.
Andrew Ellams
590 Posted 17/06/2021 at 08:02:47
They parted company in February. I believe he was actually suspended pending an investigation because he made public comments about their transfer policy.
Eddie Dunn
591 Posted 17/06/2021 at 08:08:35
There's a load of rubbish being spouted on here. "Modern coaches", "younger managers", "new ideas".

The manager doesn't have to do the running on the pitch, an "older" coach can even delegate all of the training to his team. It's a big job.

As long as he still has ambition and is prepared to work hard, age is meaningless. However, with age comes experience and this can help him avoid the pitfalls a less experienced manager will make.

Football hasn't changed much and, as I recall, the rules are much the same and Benitez surely is as aware of players and systems as any of us.

Granted it would be a rather uninspiring choice but we have been down the various roads, Martinez, Koeman, Silva, all fairly young and Big Sam. I agree with the opinion that a safe pair of hands is paramount to Moshiri.

The stadium ensures a good resale value and Premier League status is essential – so no young bucks at the helm, no untried Premier League debutants.

Perhaps the fact that Rafa does live in Caldy will help. He and his family are settled, he won't be house-hunting (unless he wants to live in Speke). So just maybe it will all work out well?

Bill Fairfield
592 Posted 17/06/2021 at 08:09:39
Like any other manager, Benitez will be judged on results and performance. He needs to hit the ground running though, because there is zero patience left with the supporters.
Martin Berry
593 Posted 17/06/2021 at 08:14:55
Eddie #597

Absolutely spot-on there with everything you said, my thoughts in an earlier post, but yours far better put and more expansive.

Danny O’Neill
594 Posted 17/06/2021 at 08:24:09
Agree Eddie. Age is not a concern for the manager and if anything, can bring experience to pass on to younger coaches working under them.

Now there's a thought, Rafa living in Speke!!

Andy Duff
595 Posted 17/06/2021 at 08:27:08
Was anyone at the City game when they needed to win to help stop the RS winning the league? Barkley scored first and it went off in the Gwladys.

That game was divisive and caused blues to fight with blues.

This appointment will be just as divisive. This is not what the club needs at all at the moment.

Tony Abrahams
596 Posted 17/06/2021 at 08:28:50
Barry R@464, I don’t often agree with you Barry, but your first sentence is bang on the money, and something I think Cozy little Everton have needed for years mate.

We haven’t won anything for 26 years and we have staff members telling us that others are Evertonians? Fuck that I’d sooner have winners myself.

One last thing, but only my opinion, but if any Liverpudlian is laughing at Everton over this appointment, (if it actually happens) try and see through them please.

Mike Kehoe
597 Posted 17/06/2021 at 08:31:20
Eddie, I fully agree with a lot of your points re stability and resale value, I’m sure that is the prevailing thought process for Moshiri. As a fan that lives in the city I would feel mortified to have Beneathus in charge, truly embarrassed to have their old cast off, who, incidentally, Bruce has bettered in his time in charge.

Everton’s identity of plucky little underdogs has been an annoyance for a long time, but that will pale against being considered an absolute laughing stock if this goes through. Gold for Carragher and all the other RS pundits: a new low for Everton.

I could not abide the man but I think I would rather Allardyce.

Hopefully this is just the ultimate Bond villain, BPB, manipulating the media to ensure the underwhelming news re Nuno being appointed is met with (tepid) warmth.

Trevor Peers
598 Posted 17/06/2021 at 08:33:49
According to most of the news outlets it's a boardroom battle that's holding the appointment up. It seems Kenwright wants Benitez and Moshiri prefers Nuno.

No others candidate's are in the picture unless one or both walk away because they don't won't to be messed about for too long as this would damage thier reputations.

If Moshiri wants Nuno, there can only be one winner Nuno. The way the whole thing has been conducted is typically a total embarrassment, but this is the modern Everton way, indecisive, weak dithering, leaderless.

Martin Mason
599 Posted 17/06/2021 at 08:40:56
Everton, the rest home for ex-players and cronies now about to sign a poor manager on the basis that he'll keep the cronies in a job. Time to part company methinks.
Gary Willock
600 Posted 17/06/2021 at 08:41:28
“Safe pair of hands. Tread water until stadium (4 years+). Just focus on staying in premier league.”

Have Arsenal taken off since stadium? Spurs setting the world ablaze?

Can’t understand this thought process at all. Yes, Goodison is getting overshadowed by the neighbours, but If we don’t keep having sporting ambitions higher than this then it is simply self defeating. The new stadium on the docks will end up sponsored by poundshop, be a millstone around our necks for 10-20 years, be packed with a team of journeymen players managed by an aging “safe” manager who our fans will justify as “best bet at keeping us safe whilst we pay the mortgage”………never ending circle of failure.

City / Chelsea models hard to copy with FFP but success on the pitch is catalyst for success off the pitch. Full stop. Got to gamble.

Barry Cowling
601 Posted 17/06/2021 at 08:47:57
Well, I am another in the Martinez camp. He got the Everton thing, he gave us hope, yes, it all fell apart in his last year but he had no money to spend and we were in the europa which killed us and after him we had clueless Koeman who we are still trying to clear the shit he left us in. All this talk about Nuno and Benitez is I recon just getting candidates in and being sure on who we get, or so I am hoping, but its got to be a Brands appointment and I would say Martinez fits that bill
Kim Vivian
602 Posted 17/06/2021 at 08:52:01
Trevor - Surely Brands must have significant input being the "football man". Hopefully he will get the casting vote but there may be a conflict for him if Mendes is a fly in the ointment.

I'm feeling just now that this as low as a club that we have been in my time. Small? - We're certainly acting it.

Andrew Ellams
603 Posted 17/06/2021 at 08:52:58
No to Martinez because he never learned from his mistakes which stinks of arrogance and that's not a good thing when it leads to too many negative decisions being made.

I keep hearing that he gets the club but inside 3 years he lost the fans and the dressing room. Doesn't sound like a man that gets the club to me.

Joe McMahon
604 Posted 17/06/2021 at 09:01:28
Well said Martin @605, and that also does include Unsworth and Dunc, as they won't leave their cozy setup and gain experience elsewhere, like Lampard, Gerrard, Rooney et al.
Chris Mason
605 Posted 17/06/2021 at 09:18:53
Reading that it’s a done deal.
Neil Lawson
606 Posted 17/06/2021 at 09:23:01
The situation now is appalling and so embarrassingly badly handled. The media staff at Goodison will be advising of the reaction/outrage and you have to hope that it just may have some impact. If Nuno was the right man he should have been in post 10 days ago. Clearly not. Benitez can never be the right man for so many reasons all covered in the 600 odd posts above. Martinez ? Ditto, but we would probably now take him in a heartbeat as the least worse option. Just ridiculous. I am not a multi millionaire nor highly paid DOF, but I simply do not comprehend the complete lack of good old nouse and common sense that should prevail when deciding upon and appointing our new manager. Does it truly have to be "a name". Shouldn't it be about appointing the best man for a specific job and a man who desperately wants to manage Everton whatever terms may be offered. We have had so many recent failures please do not shoe horn someone in just because he is available or has done OK in the past. Give it to the man who properly fits the job description we all recognise and start the season with a full house of 100% supporters willing us to victory.
Joe O'Brien
607 Posted 17/06/2021 at 09:25:36
Sorry.. but has everyone forgotten how easily we leaked goals under Martinez? I haven't.
He seems a nice man and we were good going forward.. but we were just awful at the back. He would have taken us down.
For people saying, look what he's doing with Belgium.. that's not his doing. He's blessed with a golden generation of talent.. if anything they should have won the world Cup with that squad.. and definitely the euros. I don't think they'll win the euros..solely because of Martinez.
If its a straight choice between Rafa and Martinez..Brands needs to be sacked.
Alan Johnson
608 Posted 17/06/2021 at 09:26:18
Whoever said that we are a small club got it spot on.
Kevin Prytherch
609 Posted 17/06/2021 at 09:26:45
I see that Rafa’s odds are lengthening again this morning (ok, only from 1/10 to 1/7) and Nuno’s are shortening again (6/1 into 3/1).

Last week Nuno was 1/25 at one point.

Chris Mason
610 Posted 17/06/2021 at 09:27:28
I think it’s best to back whoever they appoint, because getting my blood pressure up thinking about how little the hierarchy give a monkeys is pointless.

Fingers crossed and hope for the best. A lot like the strategy of Everton’s highly paid executives.

I tell you though that Evertonians are bloody special, because any other fans would have shat the bed and given up 20 years ago.

Jamal Paktongko
611 Posted 17/06/2021 at 09:27:28
Hell Yeah!!!

Old Spanish Waiter is my choice too.

Come On You Blues

Justin Doone
612 Posted 17/06/2021 at 09:33:03
If its only between Nuno and Benetiz I realty can’t choose as I don't want either.

I think either one would do a similar job of keeping us in the top 10. I think they both set their teams up as a defensive counter attacking unit.

Not terrible Sam football, but not Martinez entertaining attacking football.

We need to keep our best players whilst bringing in another 3 or 4 top class players. Which ever manager can help entice top players whist getting the best out of the current squad should get the gig.

We need other options!

Neil Lawson
613 Posted 17/06/2021 at 09:37:19
Interesting too how it is being reported that Benitez will give Duncan a key role. Mutual loathing methinks. " Yes Boss. OK Boss ( you knob) "
Steve Shave
614 Posted 17/06/2021 at 09:44:11
I'm upset about this if true but he has done well against adversity from crowds before and managed difficult clubs ala Valencia and Newcastle. I just hope he 'gets' us. I haven't read too many of the above comments, not enough time though we seem as divided as the board. I just hope we get behind whoever it is. Can anyone tell us a bit more about what to expect tactics wise if it is Rafa, always seemed very cautious to me and boring to watch, we need that like we need a hole in the head right now!
David Pearl
615 Posted 17/06/2021 at 09:45:46
Do l have to see that face when l want to check out TW? Can't the editors put a masque on him? I got pissed last night because of this.
Conor McCourt
616 Posted 17/06/2021 at 09:51:46
David it was the title that perplexed me "Benitez in the frame to be next manager". How to fuck did they fit him into the frame?
Tony Shelby
617 Posted 17/06/2021 at 09:52:32
Rafa’s Beneathus
Johnny Rainford
618 Posted 17/06/2021 at 09:54:09
For those too young to remember the precedent for this was actually set back in the 70s when Shankly was exiled by the RS and he found a warm welcome at Bellfield where he got involved in the coaching sessions and attended all our home games with Dixie.

🙄

Michael Lynch
620 Posted 17/06/2021 at 09:55:08
I must admit, I'm slightly surprised that so many of us seem to want Martinez back. To my mind, he inherited a well-drilled Moyes squad, to which he added some flair, and it was great for a short time. But it soon went downhill and his time at Everton can only be seen as a frustrating disappointment.

Towards the end we were desperate for him to go, because he seemed deluded, talking about phenomenal performances after we'd caved in yet again. He's a nice man, and he lives and breathes football, but he was a failure at Everton.

Brian Murray
621 Posted 17/06/2021 at 10:01:51
I don’t loathe the waiter as much as the enemy within ! If all this debacle has highlighted that moshiri really needs to look long and hard at who he’s listening to. I know moshiri not the sharpest tool in the box where football concerned but come on !
Christopher Timmins
622 Posted 17/06/2021 at 10:07:21
Oddschecker, my bible at the moment, quote Rafa at 2/9 and Nuno at 4/1 with Roberto at 16/1.

Just how has it come to this, a former sacked manager, a former sacked manager of our neighbours and a guy who wants to bring all of his back-up team with him. If Nuno was the man then he should have been appointed by now, his back-up team accepted in full and existing members of Carlo's first-team management moved on. That's how it works.

Some of the media outlets are saying that Brands and Bill are in the Roberto camp and Moshiri wants Rafa, so maybe they will compromise and go with Nuno? I am certainly of the view that Brands is not in the Rafa camp, indeed, if Rafa comes through the door then what is the point of having Brands around the place as Rafa like Carlo will want his own players whereas Nuno and Martinez may be more open to working with Brands recruits.

Maybe at the end of the day the powers that be will hold a draw to decide the issue.

Danny Baily
623 Posted 17/06/2021 at 10:11:38
Martinez struggled to build a squad when we gave managers the freedom to do so. He'll have no hope fitting the square pegs that Brands picks up into his side.

Brands out, someone like a Nuno or Howe in. No former managers. We'll be linked with Billy Bingham next.

Barry Hesketh
624 Posted 17/06/2021 at 10:11:57
Michael @626

It was in large part the reactions of the Goodison crowd that played a part in the removal of Martinez, the board could have stuck with him if they had wanted to, but they (Moshiri) decided to terminate his contract and the rest is history.

I watched the documentary about Martinez last evening, he's a very clever guy and most personable, but I don't think he's suited to club management. He would make a good technical director or something akin to that but day-to-day management at a club of Everton's size? I don't think so.

Dave Lynch
625 Posted 17/06/2021 at 10:14:29
Wish people would get over those comments he made.

As others have said, he did not call us a small club, he intimated that we played like one... and we did.

We had no ambition in that game, the ginger surrender monkey set us up to defend what we had, which was a nil-nil scoreline.

They battered us, we defended for our lives and Moyes with his usual panache hailed it as a victory.

We had worse insults that season... the Villa manager Gregory actually said after they beat us... "I could of put our reserves out today and beat that lot."

That's how low we had sunk.

Trevor Powell
626 Posted 17/06/2021 at 10:17:16
Why are we considering taking on the HAS BEEN, who disappeared off to China because NO CLUB of any stature in Europe was interested in him?

We might as well go back to Sam Allardyce, Tony Pulis, Mark Hughes or Alan Pardew as they have all had their day!

Sam Hoare
628 Posted 17/06/2021 at 10:17:55
Lucien Favre anyone? Something of a maverick but plays dynamic football and has a good reputation for developing young talent. Reportedly in talks with Palace and ‘other Premiership’ teams.
Dave Williams
629 Posted 17/06/2021 at 10:19:52
Eddie Dunn#597- what a sensible post!
We have to accept a few things, like it or not.
We will not attract the CL managers like Simeone,Pochettino or Conte.
There is a shortage of quality managers who are on an upward curve.
All of the names we have been debating for the last three weeks have drawbacks.
Whoever gets the job has to be lucky in getting the right players in, getting the right players out, getting the right mix of personalities in the squad and getting off to a good start- our opening fixtures give him a decent chance of that.
The new guy needs the fans on side. No true supporter should want his team to lose just because the manager for whatever reason is not his choice.
Benitez no doubt regrets what he said about us and more than anyone on the list of possibles he will be determined to prove himself to us and to the shower across the park. He won’t put up with the crap performances and he should have better players at his disposal than he had at Newcastle.
Don’t get me wrong,I would much prefer Duncan Ferguson if he had experience of management or with a younger Joe Royle to work alongside him but that ain’t going to happen. Whoever gets it we need to support him until such time as he shows that the job is beyond him and if that is after we move to BMD then I will be delighted.
Brian Harrison
630 Posted 17/06/2021 at 10:21:00
Moshiri stick to looking after Usmanovs companies, and leave appointing managers to someone who has a clue what they are doing. He started by sacking Martinez and appointed Koeman, question is why. He had done nothing of note in his managerial career and was doing an OK job with Southampton, but hardly pulling any trees up. But obviously Moshiri must have looked at Koemans playing record rather than his managerial record. After Koeman had spent a fortune and still hadn't moved the club forward, so after 58 games in charge the accountant decided a change was needed. So he appointed David Unsworth on a temporary basis, he lasted 8 games and the accountant brought in the universally unpopular Allardyce to take over. As we all know his claim to fame was keeping sides from relegation, so after he acheived that the accountant brought his tenure to an end after 26 matches in charge.

Now you would think that the accountant would have realised he was way out of his depth in trying to select a manager to take the club forward. But no undaunted by his previous failures he ploughed on and decided Marco Silva was the man and even paid Watford a tidy sum to secure his services. Again you ask does the accountant not take into account that Silva had not long got his side relegated and again he was hardly making Watford anything special. So Marco was appointed and again like his previous managers, was allowed to spend huge amounts on journeymen players, and again after 60 games in charge the accountant could see the club was still not moving forward and sacked him.

So at long last he moved for a manager who had the best CV in football Carlo Ancelotti. Ancelotti took over from Duncan Ferguson who had 4 games in charge but was happy to again assume his role as assistant manager for the 3rd time. After 67 games in charge Ancelotti decided to jump ship and move to Real Madrid, which took everybody by surprise, including his own son who had just bought a new house in Woolton 2 weeks prior. So despite Carlo only weeks earlier stating he wanted to stay longer than the contract he was currently on, and he was very happy living here, he was gone. So the accountant has started looking for yet another manager and if rumours are correct he is looking to appoint a manager who is even more unpopular than Allardyce and that takes some doing.

Benitez has done nothing for a long time and even the much maligned Steve Bruce has a better record at Newcastle than Benitez and lets not forget just like Silva Benitez also got a team relegated from the Premier league. I will finish on the words of Brian Clough to Sam Longsdon his Chairman at Derby " Sam you just sign the fucking cheques and leave the football side of things to me" Amen to that.

Michael Williams
631 Posted 17/06/2021 at 10:21:10
I am not excited by Benitez at all. Ancelotti is the best we are going to get unless we find a young coach not many of us are considering who makes that rare impact. I have no idea who that is.

Also, why all the fat-shaming?

Ian Horan
632 Posted 17/06/2021 at 10:21:10
Interesting that a number of reports in the press and social media stating that Duncan is being retained, therein is the elephant in the room. Nuno was clear about who he wanted in his team. I find it hard to stomach if true that Duncans position was the issue whats that saying the club is bigger than anyone individual!!!!! If Kenwright is insistent on DF staying we will then know clearly who is holding the club back. Change our name to Sycophants F C...
Danny O’Neill
633 Posted 17/06/2021 at 10:21:49
I too think he's better suited to coaching Barry @630. International coaching definitely suits him, where he just has to worry about the training and what happens on the pitch.

Having had my doubts about his appointment in the first place, being surprised by that first season, but then said doubts being realised, I actually had a random thought at the time, that he'd actually be good coaching the U23s.

I said random, but I think it's in line with the thought he's a good coach with good ideas, but not a manager in my opinion.

Gerard Pauls
634 Posted 17/06/2021 at 10:22:58
This has got all the hallmarks of Kenwright behind this. Initially it looked a banker that NES was the next manager. May I add at this point that Potter was my choice a younger fitter hands on manager who had learnt his trade in Europe. We instead appear to only want 'lazy' older managers who have already burnt their candles at both ends, Alladyce, Ancelloti and now Benitez! However it seems that NES requested to bring his backroom staff which would in turn have seen the demise of Kenwrights cosy old boys club...what in my opinion has been holding back our club for years. As a result I feel that compromise has been reached with The Spanish waiter becoming the next money guzzling freeloader as long has he retains teary eyed Bills ex players on the staff. I'm bloody discusted with what's going on at my Everton. We have a chance to get better managers, Potter, Galtier etc but no in typical Everton style let's upset the majority of the loyal fan base with this clown. Apologies for the rant boys!
David Baxter
635 Posted 17/06/2021 at 10:23:39
There are a few misconceptions on here about Shankly being treated badly by Liverpool. Shankly resigned of his own free will and Paisley was appointed manager. The problem arose when Shankly continued to turn up at Melwood every day. He started interfering with proceedings during training, and was told he wasn't required at training. He was asked politely to stay away and leave Paisley to run the show. He took umbrage at that but Liverpool were correct: his time was over.
George Carroll
636 Posted 17/06/2021 at 10:30:56
Gerard @640 sums the situation at Everton perfectly. Until Kenwright is removed, we will continue to be better at running a charity than a football club.
Dave Lynch
637 Posted 17/06/2021 at 10:33:59
Dave@64.
Your post clearly highlights the difference between the 2 clubs.

One is not afraid of change to move the club forward.

The other is Everton.

Brian Harrison
638 Posted 17/06/2021 at 10:34:24
Dave Lynch 631

You are wrong. I heard the interview with Benitez where he called Everton a small club. He also didn't elaborate at that interview that it was about our style of play which made him call us a small club. So I know it suits the narrative of some supporters to change what was actually said to make it more palatable if we appoint him.

Mark Ryan
639 Posted 17/06/2021 at 10:34:52
Mike @ 626 spot on. It would seem many on here have very short memories but each to their own. We were " in a special moment" back then and played some "phenomenal football" but thank christ he left us. Deluded, rabbit caught in the headlamp stuff from him.
Never ever go back.
Barry Hesketh
640 Posted 17/06/2021 at 10:35:18
I wonder if the managerial situation at Spurs is having a bearing on Everton's hunt for a manager? It looks as if Fonseca is to take charge at Spurs but it hasn't been formally announced as yet. If Everton were for example looking at Poch at PSG or somebody similar, Levy is a sly old fox and wouldn't sit on his hands if he thought that somebody better than Fonseca became available.

Who knows in this modern game what is really happening, but I do fret over the effect all of this speculation is having on our players, because they have never needed much of an excuse to underperform even when things have been relatively calm.

Derek Taylor
641 Posted 17/06/2021 at 10:36:17
One thing is for certain, the clowns at the top of our club will make the wrong decision whoever they appoint. There was a time when leading managers queued up for this job, now only the unemployed dross show interest.

Rafa? That's hardly believable but that's how low the Masters of Everton have fallen. If it happens (gawd forbid) there will be a few less season tickets sold at BMD !

Michael Connelly
642 Posted 17/06/2021 at 10:39:00
Any manager that can win a Champions League with Djimi Traore in the side, gets my backing!
Danny O’Neill
643 Posted 17/06/2021 at 10:39:41
I am too young to know, but that reflects conversations I've had with my red cousins Dave Baxter. I believe Liverpool done what Manchester United should have done with Alex Ferguson. It casts a shadow and doesn't allow the new guy to get on with implementing his own ideas and regime.

Back to Martinez as that coaching comment has got me thinking. Could that work under Brands? Just leave him to coaching the team and players. I think I'm getting desperate now.

Rob Young
644 Posted 17/06/2021 at 10:43:36
It's not just what he said about us, it's the mind-numbingly boring football he let them play (even when they were best of Europe at the time), the refusal to cross the half-way line at Newcastle, and yes, for having worked there. He's a kopite, end of.

my word, he's done nothing of note. Steve Bruce has done better and they hate him at Newcastle United. He always said how impossible it was to work at Newcastle and how staying up would be a miracle. He built his own statue there just by going against Mike Ashley.

I don't care how you want to call me, but I'm Blue through and through, so don't give me that; I hate that fella and don't want him anywhere near.

would watching Tranmere be an option for the next year and a half? I'm seriously contemplating.

Then again, I hated Koeman from fairly early on and that never stopped me supporting the players. I wasn't alone. We loved Niasse beyond reason also because him scoring were two fat fingers up to Koeman.

Barry Rathbone
645 Posted 17/06/2021 at 10:44:01
Nuno has talked himself out of it; Moyes has signed at WHU... leaving Benitez and Martinez as the only serious contenders.

Could be they are floating the Benitez story to draw fire whilst the Martinez appointment is finalised. People previously hostile to zapatos marrones are now saying Bobby before Benitez – it's a neat little trick if they can pull it off.

Brian Murray
646 Posted 17/06/2021 at 10:45:48
Michael post 648. You mean any manager that can get to a final without scoring! The ball was no where near over the kin line. No goal line tech then. Wasn’t even close. Them shiesters luck as per.
Peter Mills
647 Posted 17/06/2021 at 10:47:36
I wonder whether the Board are simply using Benitez as a stalking horse, to assist their negotiations with another, better candidate?

If so, it would be a disappointment for Rafa when the news is broken to him that his application for the post has been unsuccessful.

It would be an unpalatable duty to have to convey such a message to him. Would those interested in volunteering for the task please form an orderly queue behind me.

Barry Hesketh
648 Posted 17/06/2021 at 10:49:22
It looks as if I and a few others will have to apologise due to us not taking the Benitez jibe too seriously, if Hunter's analysis of the derby played at Anfield in February 2007 is a true reflection of what Benitez said and his intentions for saying it.

2007 Derby

Les Green
649 Posted 17/06/2021 at 10:51:30
Obvious click-bait from the red media, designed to wind up Blues and give the RS something to feel smug about since Henderson spunked that penalty.
Brian Harrison
650 Posted 17/06/2021 at 10:52:11
David Baxter 641

Dave just a caveat to your Shankly post, you are right he did leave of his own free will, although what happened when he went to Melwood to train after he left was he didnt interfere with proceedings but all the players kept coming over to talk to him. Bob Paisley quite rightly said Bill its causing a detraction with the players you being here can you come back in the afternoon when the players have left. For whatever reason he chose to train at Bellfield where he lived in the road at the back of our training ground.

I did get told a few years after Shankly left that it was about the signing of Ray Kennedy from Arsenal. While Shankly was on holiday some years earlier Liverpool sold Johnny Morrisey to Everton, and he warned the then board that if you ever sell a player again without my consent then that's me finished. Then one morning he was in the corridor at Anfield and John Smith the then chairmen told Shankly that he had spoken to Dennis Hill Wood the chairman of Arsenal and he had agreed to sell Kennedy and he would be turning up tomorrow for a medical. Shankly true to his word and resigned, his last act as manager was the signing of Ray Kennedy.

Paul Niklas
651 Posted 17/06/2021 at 10:54:54
Most managers with any vision would struggle in being told you have to keep Duncan, Rhino, Jeffery, Ebbrell etc etc. Non achievers and only attribute played for Everton and won fuck all. The place needs a clear out from top to bottom including In house appointments like the CEO etc etc. New broom erase the pointless focus on history and move forward with a new approach because the old one and current one is fucking useless. It also passes the RS big style which is also a bonus.
Danny O’Neill
652 Posted 17/06/2021 at 10:56:01
I seriously hope all this click bait and smoke & mirrors talk is on the money. Well, I'm latching onto it. The club are, behind the scenes, negotiating with other candidates and are going to surprise us by appointing Terzic or Ten Hag.

Meanwhile, back in the real world.

Paul Hardy
653 Posted 17/06/2021 at 11:00:08
Please do not appoint this arrogant Kopite to manage our club. His comments about us when he was in charge of the other lot cannot be forgiven. I’ve never liked him and never will. Don’t do it!
Danny Broderick
654 Posted 17/06/2021 at 11:02:21
Not bothered about a quip he made nearly 15 years ago. But he is a kopite, so he is out of the reckoning for that alone in my book. No Benitez. No Gerrard. There seems to be a media obsession with us appointing someone from Liverpool. Just no!

I’ve been growing very disillusioned with modern football in general - all the cheating, money, VAR etc. So much so that I’m losing faith in Everton. This would be the final straw for me if we appoint Benitez. The two main candidates we have pursued are simply two managers who are available. Surely we should not be narrowing down candidates just because they are available?!

Anyone but Benitez for me.

Conor McCourt
655 Posted 17/06/2021 at 11:02:53
Benitez drifting like a barge on betfair. He can now be backed around the 8-13 mark from 1-4 or so last night. This is not the price of someone who has been offered the job.
Robert Tressell
656 Posted 17/06/2021 at 11:04:33
I doubt the club is playing any mind games here. In reality it takes a while to sort out any senior hire. Spurs haven't quite confirmed Fonseca yet and they had a big head start.

The reality may be that there's a very limited pool of qualified / avaliable / interested managers out there and the Club is still exploring options before making an appointment – or has effectively decided already but there's a few inevitable wrinkles to iron out.

I still think (hope) it will be Santo – considering the other realistic options.

It may well be the rumours are generated purely to generate advertising / betting revenue. The mind games are just a way to get us to click on website links and gamble our money away.

Rob Young
657 Posted 17/06/2021 at 11:06:25
I agree, Paul #657.

If the club rate Ferguson so much, why don't they give him the job?

James Lauwervine
658 Posted 17/06/2021 at 11:08:55
If this happens I will not be watching one second of our games until he leaves. Maybe I'll just give up football entirely, that's been tempting enough in recent times already. I really thought Allardyce was as low as we could go, but this would truly be an unbearable disgrace.
Alan Peake
660 Posted 17/06/2021 at 11:10:03
I get worried with all the talk about Martinez returning, international management suits Martinez, as his players turn up well drilled in defensive responsibilities from their respective clubs, and apart from tournaments, Martinez doesn't have enought time to change this mentality, but in club football where he's with the players day in day out, his shortcomings in the defensive side of the team would soon start to show again, so a big no from me, and a bigger no for Benitez
Derek Knox
661 Posted 17/06/2021 at 11:25:50
Danny @ 658, how could the Club possibly be considering Ten Hags, when the Grafton shut it's doors years ago? :-)
Barry Hesketh
662 Posted 17/06/2021 at 11:27:58
Fabrizio Romano tweeted this earlier:
Official. Gennaro Gattuso part ways Fiorentina only 22 days after the appointment, because of the problems on transfers strategy with Gattuso’s agent Jorge Mendes.

This could explain why Nuno hasn't as yet been given the opportunity to manage Everton. If Benitez is appointed could he outlast Gattuso at Fiorentina?

To provide a workable solution, while the leaders of our club sort out who is in charge of recruitment and what it is that they are trying to achieve, appoint Ferguson on a one-year contract, and during his time at the helm, do some real due diligence on his replacement. If Duncan is a true blue he would accept that this would be better for the club, than having Benitez in charge for any period of time. It would also help in finding out if Duncan is good enough for the job.

Anthony Dove
663 Posted 17/06/2021 at 11:31:36
I hope everyone who wants Benitez will enjoy the Kop's reaction when he comes out of the tunnel.

It won't bother me as I won't be watching.

Dave Evans
664 Posted 17/06/2021 at 11:38:05

Potter, Howe and Dyche have all shown they can regularly put out well motivated teams and get the best out of average or young players.

Every manager has their faults but I would genuinely look forward to next season with any of these three as ours.

Dyche, particularly, has had the not good enough sneer from these pages. Yet, I could imagine the fan base really getting behind a 'sleeves rolled up' type of team he would send out.
We might even enjoy the odd long ball to DCL and Richie if it meant it would soar over Gomes or Schneids.
Dear god, we might even win the odd second ball.

James Marshall
665 Posted 17/06/2021 at 11:42:24
If we put aside the obvious RS link, and the 15-year-old 'small club' comment (we aren't a big club by modern standards) is it really a bad idea? A big part of it comes down to him being very experienced, and living locally.

The fact he lives in the area is actually a huge plus, isn't it? No relocation, and a happy manager would surely be a good idea... if you can put aside the above.

I'm not necessarily in favour of Benitez, but his appointment does have its plus points.

Phil (Kelsall) Roberts
666 Posted 17/06/2021 at 11:44:46
Perhaps Rafa is being lined up to head up the front of house staff in corporate hospitality now we can have the return of crowds.
Phil (Kelsall) Roberts
667 Posted 17/06/2021 at 11:44:48
Perhaps Rafa is being lined up to head up the front of house staff in corporate hospitality now we can have the return of crowds.
Mark Murphy
668 Posted 17/06/2021 at 11:46:03
Anthony, me neither but I'm interested - what do you think the Kops reaction will be?
Andrew Grey
669 Posted 17/06/2021 at 11:46:07
Lucien Favre is the latest to enter the betting market.

Did well at Dortmund before being sacked for doing not so well!

Attacking football is his style.

Barry Hesketh
670 Posted 17/06/2021 at 11:46:55
This is one of the ugliest things I've ever seen - good job it's a mock-up.

Club Badge

Andrew Ellams
671 Posted 17/06/2021 at 11:51:54
People keep saying Benitez still lives in the area, but owning a house is not living there.

Has been commuting to China, Naples or Newcastle from the Wirral?

Klopp rents a house from Brendan Rodgers, does that mean Rodgers still lives in the area?

Brian Williams
672 Posted 17/06/2021 at 12:06:00
Sorry, but using the "he lives local" aspect as some sort of qualification or plus for him getting the Everton job is ridiculous IMO.If Ancelotti, with all his trophies and achievements, couldn't do the job, and it was pretty obvious he couldn't, then why would Benitez be able to with less trophies and achievements less recent than Ancelotti?

He's done nothing of note for years and plays (I'm not gonna say it) living dead football better than Ancelotti. He's a recipe for disaster IMO and that's without the links to the redshite. Add that to the mix and it's like a sick joke.

I know there are those who are big and adult enough to overlook his past connections and I respect their outlook and won't call them for it but I'm not, and do not want him anywhere near this club.

Eric Myles
673 Posted 17/06/2021 at 12:06:04
Benitez nearly bankrupted Liverpool and, since having to work under financial restraints at other clubs, hasn't lasted long.

Don't think he'd stay long with us when he hears the "He's Our Fat Spanish Waiter" chants from the crowd.

Dave Lynch
674 Posted 17/06/2021 at 12:08:01
Tbh, I'm bored with the whole scenario now.

Is it a case of... the board split over who they want, or the top managers laughing their bollox off when approached, either way it needs to be sorted ASAP.

Out of them all I'd prefer Martinez but he was too close to the teary one for my liking, Dyche and Howe, no thank you.

Potter has potential but that is all he has and I don't think he would leave Brighton anyways.

It depends on what the club want from the manager. A yes man who won't question the shitty status quo we have, then give it to Duncan, he's part of the furniture after all.

A man who will shake up the status quo? There's a few about but my feeling is the club is to nepotistic for them to allow that to happen.

I've said it before that we are run like a cottage industry rather than a big business. This needs to change and whilst Bill and his cronies are involved it never will.

Alan Brown
675 Posted 17/06/2021 at 12:09:52
Ernesto Valverde anyone?
Len Hawkins
676 Posted 17/06/2021 at 12:19:27
From what I've read the Boardroom was flooded out with tears if the corpulent one didn't get his way and from what I can gather he is big on Benitez. Mind you he is big on anyone.

I can't for the life of me understand how Kenwright has any input whatsoever.

Andrew Grey
677 Posted 17/06/2021 at 12:20:01
The new favourite is now the 'Phantom Raspberry Blower of Old London Town'

Come on we can do better than this at least get someone from up north and not some dribbling cockney!

Kev Jones
678 Posted 17/06/2021 at 12:22:55
Is this the first unexploded bomb dredged up from BMD?
Steve Croston
679 Posted 17/06/2021 at 12:28:16
Rafa the Gaffer, you're having a laugha!

I remember seething when I saw Sammy Lee prancing around on our touchline as Sam's assistant, so I can't even imagine how I'll feel when I see this fat, old has-been waddling up and down it!
This would be an absolute low point in our history; please, please don't let it come to fruition.

Ajay Gopal
680 Posted 17/06/2021 at 12:28:51
My first comment on this thread - just to make my position very clear - absolutely NO to Benitez. This would be the most crazy decision made/endorsed by Moshiri. For all of Benitez' Pros and Cons as a football manager, just the possibility of dividing the fan base of a club like Everton has to be the most sacrilegious thought that an owner could consider. After all the frustrations of the past 2-3 decades, the fans are desperate for a feeling of hope and optimism. I think that is what most fans crave for, even more than actually winning a trophy. A hope that their team will play exciting football, will challenge the best in the league.

Nobody knows why the interest in Nuno has cooled - his relationship with Mendes? Insistence by the club that Big Dunc continues to be on the coaching staff? The size of the Nuno entourage? I really like Nuno - he has just the right combination, IMO, of implementing modern coaching techniques, being pragmatic, hard working, hands-on, passionate about his job, experience in the PL, a decent record of success (relatively speaking).

If not Nuno, then Potter for me. He would be risky, but he has kept lowly Brighton in the league quite comfortably for a couple of seasons and plays good football with the players and funds available to him. I just see a great potential (think Wenger or Alex Ferguson) in him, who can potentially transform this sleeping giant.

If not these 2 guys, and assuming that the club have talked to Galtier, Conte, Mancini, Pochettino's representatives and been quickly turned down, then I wouldn't mind going back to Martinez. He has had 5 years of reflection after moving on from Everton. Surely, he would have gotten wiser, and with Brands to take care of player recruitments and talent development, he would be a better manager than earlier. Plus, I have always liked him for the way he represented Everton Football Club. He 'got' the club.

Paul Hewitt
682 Posted 17/06/2021 at 12:32:56
The last time I saw so many tears was when my son came in and said someone called him a name. He was 7 though.
Anthony Murphy
683 Posted 17/06/2021 at 12:33:54
It ain't over ‘til the Fat Spanish Waiter sings!
Jay Wood
[BRZ]

684 Posted 17/06/2021 at 12:34:53
The 'meedjah'. Online bookies. Fans.

Nobody. Knows. Nuffink!

Clive Rogers
685 Posted 17/06/2021 at 12:39:22
Len, 682, correct. Kenwright really hasn’t a clue about football. In my lifetime we always went for a proven manager before Billy boy. He went for Preston then Wigan managers. Even now he wants them back.
Also after running the club down for twenty years he told us “I haven’t a clue about business”.
Mark Ryan
686 Posted 17/06/2021 at 12:47:50
Steve @ 687 I'm not sure what you and others haver been watching for the past 10 years and more but we have been at a low point throughout that entire time.
How does employing Benitez take us to a low point ?
Some say "we'll become a laughing stock"...become a laughing stock ? we became that when under Moyes we couldn't win a single Derby match.
We are a mid table team who think we are deserving of a top manager such as Guardiola, Klopp, Simeone etc
Everyone needs to wake up. We are not near competing in the Premier League let alone European competitions
We ought to be grateful that anyone is considering us. We are a shambles. The quality of our midfield is woeful, the defence not much better. Benitez might just grab this club by the scruff of its neck and start to sort it out.
It's no good everyone threatening to stop supporting the club and walk away. This is the time to galvanize ourselves as a group of supporters and get behind whoever wants the job. If we don't we're sunk
David Smith
687 Posted 17/06/2021 at 12:53:39
"Everton put 8 or 9 men behind the ball and defended deep, but that's what small clubs do"

Rafa Benitez on Everton in 2007.

No no no no no no no no no no no no, no thank you.

Paul Hewitt
688 Posted 17/06/2021 at 12:55:50
David@693. Crime of the century that.
Brian Harrison
689 Posted 17/06/2021 at 12:57:57
I think when ex players like Andy Gray and Alan Stubbs say no its surely got to make people reconsider this move. Even Paul Robinson the ex goalkeeper said Benitez has been in China for a few years getting well paid, he said that's what they do when they are nearing the end.
Paul Hewitt
690 Posted 17/06/2021 at 13:02:25
It's a pity some of you can't mention the charity work he and his family have done over the years for the city, and still do. But let's just pick up on a comment he made years ago, and was probably right.
Mark Ryan
691 Posted 17/06/2021 at 13:03:06
said something 14 years ago which was a pointed comment from an opposition manager. This comment has offended some, to such an extent, that they would tear up their season tickets, walk away from supporting the club if we hired him, just bizarre. God help us
Paul Niklas
692 Posted 17/06/2021 at 13:03:38
If an Everton manager after a derby game had said Liverpool were a small club, you would all have loved it. Apart from this appointment pissing off the RS, it also as some have said gets rid of the stuck-in-the-past Everton fans who are so fucking blinkered and ignorant of reality, like the Blue fucking Union, for example, giving up their season tickets. Then I say good fucking riddance – you add no value anyway.
Howard Sykes
693 Posted 17/06/2021 at 13:05:14
So the board and Bill want to hire a Liverpool cast off manager. Prediction for the next first team kit -Red shorts and shirt. Jeez you couldn't make it up.
Ray Jacques
694 Posted 17/06/2021 at 13:06:53
Mark (692), I am thinking along your lines. Some clown said on an earlier post they wouldnt even have Klopp as manager!

I can understand some of the vitriol as I hate the RS but get over a comment made 14 years ago by the manager of our biggest rivals. Wish our past managers were like that

I am sure Benitez doesnt need the money, so look at it from his point of view taking on the job of managing Everton and having to take it to that lot. Fair play to him. If he is successful, imagine their reaction.

I love all the Beneathus jibes as well, because isn't that the year he won the Champions league? Jeez we would die to win the Milk/Littlewoods/ League/ Caribou (sic) cup or whatever its called these days.

Little club eh, the truth is more painful than the jibe seeing as we have only won once at Anfield since he said it.

John Boon
695 Posted 17/06/2021 at 13:08:41
AS much as I would hate this move such an appointment would NEVER stop me from supporting Everton. Nobody is bigger enough to do that.Once a Blue always a Blue. COYB but please change the latest NEWS !!!
James Stewart
696 Posted 17/06/2021 at 13:09:03
@688

Haha quality.

James Stewart
697 Posted 17/06/2021 at 13:09:04
Again, not the most progressive move but Moshiri clearly wants experience and to continue on the path he went down with Carlo.

I don't understand all the high drama from many blues, we've had a lot worse and got behind it. Marco Silva ffs! If it's Benitez then so be it. I just hope we show a bit more class than the Chelsea fans did with him. I always thought the abuse they gave him was embarrassing, surely we are better than that.

Rennie Smith
698 Posted 17/06/2021 at 13:12:17
Absolute no, f-right off.

It's not about his previous comments or behaviour, it's the fact that he's another on his way out. He's spent a couple of years picking up easy cash in China and before that just about saved Newcastle from the drop. Big deal, does that make him on a par with Steve Bruce? Would anyone on here settle for Steve Bruce? Of course not.

No no no no no, didn't I mention no.

Rennie Smith
699 Posted 17/06/2021 at 13:17:16
Ray@700, he probably doesn't need the money but the fact that we're just down the road from his house makes us an easy, can't be arsed option.

I asked a lad in work why he's been here for 15 years, because it's a 5-minute drive away was his response. That's about the same ambition that he'll show us.

All the whinging over the last few years about mercenary players just picking up a wage, and here we want to get the biggest mercenary of them all in!!

NO!

Kevin Prytherch
700 Posted 17/06/2021 at 13:19:29
I see that Lucien Favre is now also being slowly backed…..
Shane Corcoran
701 Posted 17/06/2021 at 13:20:24
James 703, agree. I await the reaction. I feel a sigh coming on.
Rick Tarleton
702 Posted 17/06/2021 at 13:38:07
Say it ain't so, Joe.
Ed Fitzgerald
703 Posted 17/06/2021 at 13:38:50
Ray @700

You state Benitez doesn’t need the money and you are of course correct, therefore I am sure he will snub his nose at the rumoured million pound a month Moshiri is prepared to pay him and accept a contract based upon the teams performance. No of course he won’t the greedy FSW is demanding exactly the same terms he was getting in China. He rejected a 6 million pound a year contract at NUFC to go to China. I’d be prepared to give him a pass for the tunnel and no more.

For those who are berating posters who say they will no longer attend Goodison and or withdraw their support over this issue, please, get over yourselves, lots of Evertonians decide to jack it in, when something happens they disagree with or just fall out of love with club. For my aging dad it was Sky and the birth of the premier league, he just shakes his head when he witnesses his 59 year old son fretting over all matters Everton.

Just watching Sky’s coverage of it and they are reporting that Liverpool fans appear quite happy about it and bear him no ill will, well that’s ok then. Alan Ball, Howard Kendall, Brian Labone, John Moores Harry Catterick must be turning in their graves at this lamentable turn of events.

It’s like some kind of dystopian sci-fi film we can’t get into Goodison for 18 months due to a global pandemic and then when we go to cheer the Blues on a sunny August afternoon there is the FSW waving to the crowd saying how happy he is to be at the people’s cluuub

Richard Nelson
704 Posted 17/06/2021 at 13:41:17
..Paul @ 698 home truths..couldn't agree more..!
John Boswell
705 Posted 17/06/2021 at 13:43:52
I could no more walk away from my beloved Everton than I could decide to stop breathing.
Overly dramatic?
We do not know what is happening in the boardroom, we are reacting to a fact vacuum and so called click bait.
The media needs to be called out by Everton, we were never part of the Sky Fab Four or latterly the Super Six, yet Everton Is one of only 6 clubs who are ever present in the English Premier League. Does that not qualify the club for a better press recognition?
Any fan under 40 will have no idea what Everton have achieved in its past but that is history, the club needs to start challenging at the top of the league and for the cups on a regular basis.
Meanwhile the club needs to find the right manager who will work with Marcel Brands and support this pairing in running the playing side of the business.
For my part I will continue to support my football team, Our club, COYB.
Rob Halligan
706 Posted 17/06/2021 at 13:46:53
Fuck this, I’m driving down to finch farm to see if anything is happening, or any news? It’s only a ten minute drive away. Will report back later.
Liam Heffernan
707 Posted 17/06/2021 at 13:47:20
I think ( hope) this is a smokescreen. When we appoint some shit manager, we’ll all go thank fuck for that we dodged an FSW bullet.
Geoff Lambert
708 Posted 17/06/2021 at 13:48:54
Paul nicklas
You can do one with the fat Spanish waster.
John Hammond
709 Posted 17/06/2021 at 13:52:43
Guardian saying we've been in contact with Favre.

Nuno close... Benitez close... I genuinely think the club are putting names out to gauge fan's reaction. They are taking their time. If not, Benitez or Nuno would've been the manager by now.

I just don't see Benitez becoming manager. The club must know it's a huge risk especially with the overhaul the squad needs. The second we go on a bad run supporters will be burning effigies of Benitez in the streets. He'll be hounded out.

Nick Page
710 Posted 17/06/2021 at 13:55:20
The cryarsing on here is an absolute embarrassment from grown men. It’s football, it’s about results, and winning things which,
sadly we haven’t done for a generation thanks largely to some extraordinary mismanagement at the top - which a lot of the so called “experts” on here still fail to see - so get over yourselves. He managed Liverpool. So fucking what. He has a dog called Red…heathen. Who cares as long as he’s winning.
Iain Johnston
711 Posted 17/06/2021 at 14:02:58
I don't tend to comment anymore, most of you answer my questions.

Martinez, no.

This is the guy who turned his nose up at Aderwiereld for €3.5m during the 2014 WC because he preferred Besic for £4m. The year before, a week into his career with us, he wasn't interested in VVD either when he could have had him from Groningen for around £3m preferring to bring Alcaraz from Wigan.

This is the guy who substitutes a player when we're 2-0 up because his I pad stats recommended it, we lost 3-2.

Sky Sports journo Vinnie O'Connor after England reversed a 2 goal deficit against Germany to win?
"I think the German dug out had Martinez in charge for the 2nd half".

This bloke turned a top 6/7th placed competitive team into a 12th placed also ran with one of the best strikers in world football.

For what it's worth, my choice would be Favre. He transformed Monchengladbach, did the same in the short time he spent at Nice and wasn't too bad at Dortmund either.

If a younger man is favoured, my choice would be Lampard with Duncan and also bring in John Terry.

Danny O’Neill
712 Posted 17/06/2021 at 14:03:49
They say to hate, you have to love. Once you love, you're hooked and you're never going back. None of us are walking away. I can't and never will no matter what they put me through.

Rob, please tell me what's going on. I don't think the dogs can take much more. I think they're starting to disown me.

But they won't; they love me with undying loyalty as much as I do Everton.

I am not as hostile as some, but really don't want us to have our Tottenham George Graham moment the more I think about it.

Steve Brown
713 Posted 17/06/2021 at 14:04:04
Correct Geoff, Paul Niklas can do one and take Al McWhiggin with him.
Dave Lynch
714 Posted 17/06/2021 at 14:07:12
Don't agree with this putting names out to judge the fans reaction.

That would be like the club allowing us to pick the next manager, the board is either split and if so Moshiri should pull rank and tell the others to fuck off, or no-one of any repute wants the job because it's got conditions built in, ie you have to keep so and so because they are part of the furniture.

Rob Young
715 Posted 17/06/2021 at 14:08:47
Nick, you wouldn't mind red shirts if it gets us results?
How about moving the club to Dublin? If that gets us results?
Christy Ring
716 Posted 17/06/2021 at 14:10:41
Still loads of speculation, as I said earlier I’m no fan of Rafa, but if he was successful I’d grin and bear it, but he’s past his sell by date, and crap for the last 10 years. If Bill is behind it, he should be told to go, not in charge anymore
Brian Wilkinson
717 Posted 17/06/2021 at 14:13:20
It was well know back in 1977, before we got Gordon Lee, Bobby Robson was all but manager, after a last minute uturn, it was also known that Bill Shankley was waiting for Everton to make a move for him.

So how many on here would have said no thanks to Bill Shankly, because of his Liverpool connection.

At the time I would say almost everyone, but as the years passed and he appeared at home games, Everton fans warmed to him.

So if Benitez had not managed Liverpool, would you still have the same not a chance attitude to the guy.

We had the same reaction, when we signed two Liverpool fringe players in Alan Harper and Kevin Sheedy, usual shouts of we do not want players that cannot even get regular game time for them.

So take the Red shite connection out of the thinking, then do your thoughts then change to, he might actually do a job at Everton.

Jay Harris
718 Posted 17/06/2021 at 14:13:59
Nick,
"Who cares as long as he’s winning."

There is the nub of the problem, he hasnt been winning for a very long time and a lot of Evertonians myself included think this is the worst appointment we could make.

Just watch the club go South when he starts to lose a few games and blames the board or the players and the crowd turn toxic.

This appointment has tears all over it. Just look at the poll with over 50% against him. That is not a recipe for success.

And the truth is he is getting it because he retains big Dunc as his assistant.

This has Kenwright's Machiavellian hand written all over it IMO.

Stephen Vincent
719 Posted 17/06/2021 at 14:15:55
Paul Niklas - how fucking dare you.
Ian Horan
720 Posted 17/06/2021 at 14:21:20
If The three stooges, BPB, Mosh and Brands are disregarding the history between us and Rafa it must be about time we fucked off that cringeworthy happy clappy " grand old team to play for!!" That gets played at Goodison, as our history now means nothing to the stooges!!!
Jay Harris
721 Posted 17/06/2021 at 14:21:26
Brian,
Putting aside any Liverpool connection or barbed comments about our club what has the guy done in the prem since he left Liverpool.

The only reason he wants the job is because of his family not because he sees Everton as an opportunity to win things.

Mike Gaynes
722 Posted 17/06/2021 at 14:21:33
Pete #653, that job is all yours. Enjoy.

Brian #695, it's not just the time he spent in China, it's the fact that he failed there. He won 12 of 38 games at Dalian. Even brought Rondon with him from Barcodes and still couldn't cut it in a very easy league.

Rob #712, we await your report.

Mick O'Malley
723 Posted 17/06/2021 at 14:25:53
I wouldn’t want him even if he come striding out onto Goodson Park wearing a Kopites are Gobshites t-shirt
Mick O'Malley
724 Posted 17/06/2021 at 14:29:30
Nick Page the 700 plus posts shows that a lot of Blues do care, if you want him that’s your prerogative, you don’t have to read them
Jonathan Tasker
725 Posted 17/06/2021 at 14:37:36
Everton can’t be bothered to do a proper process.
Benitez only wants the job so he doesn’t have to move house.
Kenwright wants him as it means Ferguson is retained.
What a dismal small time club we have become.
Even if it’s not Benitez it will be someone totally uninspiring.
David Pearl
726 Posted 17/06/2021 at 14:45:19
Jonathan, who said Kenwright wants him? Considering sky where all over this yesterday afternoon its all gone quiet. We are all desperate for an appointment as we think its needed to move forwards. As long as Brands keeps doing his job, perhpaps the wait isn't such a bad thing if he can carry on his recruitment process and do his job for a change without interference from a manager that wants his favourites bought in.
Mike Gaynes
727 Posted 17/06/2021 at 14:47:33
"...so fucking blinkered and ignorant of reality like the Blue fucking Union for example giving up there season tickets then I say good fucking riddance you add no value anyway."

Hmmm... talk about adding no value...
Rob Halligan
728 Posted 17/06/2021 at 14:49:28
Just back from finch farm. As I say, it’s only a ten minute drive away. Absolutely nothing there, no sky sports crew, BBC, ITV, nothing. Could be good news because I think it is being reported on sky that he could sign today, so unless it’s all happening at Goodison, which I doubt as many photo shoots, video’s etc, are mainly carried out at finch farm. So I think it’s very doubtful anything will happen today. All bullshit if you ask me!
Karen Mason
729 Posted 17/06/2021 at 14:52:56
So for those of you who would n't mind Benitez as our Manager, imagine this scenario...
He still has an affinity with the Red Sh1te and their fans. He has no affinity or respect for our small club. He doesn't give a monkeys hump whether we win or lose, as he is still picking up his fat pay cheque. We get relegated, because he doesn't care about our club, and gets sacked, with a hefty payoff. Continues to be legend over the park, because he took us down. He and their fans all just laughing at our once proud club. I ask you, is that so unbelievable? Do you still think it's ok to have him in the Goodison dug out? I have never been so troubled, distressed, and felt so gutted about my club as I will if this goes ahead.
Thomas Richards
730 Posted 17/06/2021 at 14:54:03
Paul Niklas.

If it wasnt for the Blue Union we would be playing in a stadium attached to a tescos in Kirkby.

100% crap your post

Barry Hesketh
731 Posted 17/06/2021 at 14:57:54
Someone on another Everton fansite renamed Benitez as Paellardyce. Made me chuckle and not a million miles from the truth really.
Brian Murray
732 Posted 17/06/2021 at 15:02:34
Thomas post 736, amen to that brother. As we have seen any agm is very much restricted and a closed shop so no awkward pertinent questions can be asked about the ineptitude of teary arse and his side kicks. Been a blue over a century but this as highlighted how badly run we are which in the fallout might be a good thing if our blinkered billionaire realises the damage and stagnation around him. Won’t hold my breath he seems as daft as the blubbering one next to him. Won’t say his name kin hate him more than I ever did shankley.
Ian Burns
733 Posted 17/06/2021 at 15:03:57
Boy so many posts and such a divide of opinions - “no” getting the majority vote me thinks.

However I am posting because without doubt every single post is based on supposition and news from any journo who wishes to comment.

We have no idea what is happening in the boardroom. For what it’s worth Kenwright is an Evertonian and any suggestion he would support a move for Benitez is unthinkable! But what the hell do I know - literally sweet FA.

At a guess we will end up with Favre and that would do me even though I was praying for Galtier.

Brian Murray
734 Posted 17/06/2021 at 15:07:20
Karen. post 735. Relax. Galtier just been seen on county road getting a pie dinner and he’s now having a glass in the brick as we speak. Ken right about to resign. Realises he is part of the problem not the solution. Jeez what time is it I must of dozed off.
Tom Harvey
735 Posted 17/06/2021 at 15:10:08
Do we forgive him???

https://twitter.com/NilSatisNews/status/1405223259742867463

Mike Gaynes
736 Posted 17/06/2021 at 15:22:27
Rob #734, cheers, mate... thanks for making the drive over.

Brian #740, I know you're kidding about Galtier, but apparently some Blues haven't given up on him, especially since there's been no news in two weeks concerning his move to Nice: https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/christophe-galtier-social-media-campaign-20826698

Joe McMahon
737 Posted 17/06/2021 at 15:26:50
Barry @737, quite a good one that. But what does that make Unsworth? He's a lot fatter than them all.
Pete Clarke
738 Posted 17/06/2021 at 15:29:46
Couple of thoughts.
Moshiri and Kenwright both need Ferguson as he looks after them like a minder. ( especially Bill )
Kenwright threatened to leave if he didnt get his own way and Moshiri has fallen for it because he loves him dearly so bill has been in Moshiri’s ear telling him that not only does Benitez have a past history of trophies but that he will work for less than half of what NES wanted, he will let Ferguson stay and his experience will keep us up.
What more could Moshiri want ?? You know, protect your investment and all of that lark !

John Keating
739 Posted 17/06/2021 at 15:31:31
Karen
Can’t argue with your post, however, any manager coming in has no affinity to us
At the end of the day they’d no sleep if we were relegated, laughed off the park or whatever
The only people who show any and every allegiance, lose sleep and live their lives for Everton is us
Brent Stephens
740 Posted 17/06/2021 at 15:31:40
Brian #738 "Been a blue over a century. "

Strewth. World War 1 veteran?

David Nicholls
741 Posted 17/06/2021 at 15:32:13
Big Nev on Talksport pushing for big Dunc!

Seriously, I would much rather have Rafa as Dunc has done nothing in his career that would suggest he is capable of managing a Premier League team with top 6 ambitions.

Unless of course you include that stroke of genius where we lined up with a back 3 prior to kick off against Utd, only for the big reveal that Holgate was playing in midfield!
That that the opposition completely bamboozled for all of 5 seconds!

Thomas Richards
742 Posted 17/06/2021 at 15:32:15
What has a coach/managers weight got to do with his credentials to do his job?
Paul Niklas
744 Posted 17/06/2021 at 15:35:22
The Blue Union donate a tin of spam brigade. The remaining militant tendency from the 80s. Your delusional if you believe that in fact you have no idea what your talking about on that front. Probably one of the 12 year olds they forced into marching for them to boost there numbers. They were nothing but a slight on this club and did nothing but drag our name through the mud. That's why they turned into spam collectors to hide how bad they were. Benitez or anyone else for that matter is the choice of the man with the money not the socialists or the fans for that matter something the Union never understood. If they had there way the would be delsicrating Howard's grave and getting Neville Southall back to run the club under the guise of a committee of socialists but wanting somebody else's money to spend at the same time.

Time to Forget your fucking history blues and move into a new era of forward thinking without the baggage.

Mike Gaynes
745 Posted 17/06/2021 at 15:38:14
I haven't prowled all the posts, but am I the first one to nominate Gattuso as a possibility?

Just bailed on Fiorentina after three weeks. He and Italy appear to have had enough of each other.

No tactical genius, for sure, and like Nuno a Mendes client... but what a motivator. Our sleepy midfielders wouldn't know what hit them when Gattuso landed at Goodison. And he showed at Milan that he knows how to win games.

We'd never be bored.

Thomas Richards
746 Posted 17/06/2021 at 15:38:26
A new contender for the Twat of the Month award.

Even money favourite.

Brian Murray
747 Posted 17/06/2021 at 15:43:58
Brent post 746 hahah the thought of kopites being our boss getting me delirious.
Marc Hints
748 Posted 17/06/2021 at 15:46:16
Fonseca to Spurs is off now, maybe they will go for Benitez
Alan Brown
749 Posted 17/06/2021 at 15:50:27
Why is it with Everton that just when you think it can’t get any worse - it does?
To be honest I expect that tomorrow’s papers will be full of him turning us down as he couldn’t do that to the Liverpool supporters he loved so much.
David Nicholls
750 Posted 17/06/2021 at 15:51:02
Mike @ 751 Gattuso! That would be interesting, I recall an interview with Pirlo where he had to miss an international match after Gattuso attacked him with a fork! Can I be the first to suggest Mourinho
Barry Hesketh
751 Posted 17/06/2021 at 15:51:14
Yes, Marc and Mike G's suggestion of Gattuso is being considered by Spurs.
Marc Hints
752 Posted 17/06/2021 at 15:51:30
and Fonseca will be then the favourite for us Alan
David Pearl
753 Posted 17/06/2021 at 15:53:23
Paul, 750
Up the workers and all that.
Kieran Kinsella
754 Posted 17/06/2021 at 15:54:41
Mike

Gatusso bailed as apparently Fiorentina wouldn't allow his pay master Mendes to call the shots on transfers. I'd say that's a red flag for him and Nuno. That apart, other than being a loud mouth roughneck he hasn't done much to prove his coaching credentials.

Ian Horan
755 Posted 17/06/2021 at 15:59:50
Fonseca now back on the market, talks with Spurs broken-down over transfer budget..
Barry Hesketh
756 Posted 17/06/2021 at 16:05:48
Fabrizio Romano
@FabrizioRomano
Paulo Fonseca to Tottenham is 100% OFF. Deal collapsed because of taxes issues despite contract already completed and set to be signed - Fonseca had tax advantages from an Italian law which is not applicable in the UK

That would suggest that he isn't going to Everton either.

Anthony Murphy
757 Posted 17/06/2021 at 16:07:04
How many names have been discussed here over the past 2 weeks or so? Each day brings new names - Favre and Gatusso today. All ok with me though, it’s led to some inspired and intriguing debates. Will be interesting to see if we end back where we started with Nuno. I’m just surprised Vitor Pereira hasn’t been mentioned given our interest in him previously - oh there you go.
Mike Gaynes
758 Posted 17/06/2021 at 16:13:08
Kieran, agreed that the Mendes thing is an issue, but I wouldn't exactly call it a red flag. Mendes is no clown like Raiola.

As for his coaching credentials, I disagree. He won half his games at Milan with a weird and unbalanced roster, and won almost 60% of his games at Napoli. And remember he's only 43 and still learning. Would certainly fit the expressed desire of many here for a young, growing coach. He's also great in a press conference.

News reports today have Spurs in for him immediately upon his departure from Fiorentina.

Andrew Ellams
759 Posted 17/06/2021 at 16:13:55
David Nicholls, you can suggest Mourinho all you want as fortunately for us he's just taken over at Roma.
Mike Gaynes
760 Posted 17/06/2021 at 16:15:23
Barry #762, I saw that too and immediately came to the same conclusion. Fabrizio Romano is a solid, credible source. Broke the Zidane/Madrid news a full day ahead of anybody else. So I don't doubt the Fonseca news.
Robert Tressell
761 Posted 17/06/2021 at 16:18:20
If the Spurs Fonseca deal is off then it highlights the paucity of options. He's quite an average manager yet has turned down Spurs who trump us for:

- London base
- Squad quality
- Stadium
- Recent pedigree
- (possibly) transfer budget

If the Fonseca deal broke down over transfer kitty, I guess there's a sense of realism / pointlessness about some of these appointments. Unfortunately there is almost no chance of breaking the domination of 4 big, valuable squads.

They still wouldn't appoint Benitez though.

I still think we'll get Santo although not sure why. Spurs might give Scott Parker a go.

Paul Niklas
762 Posted 17/06/2021 at 16:19:20
Yes up the workers but also up the owners who are the ones risking all giving jobs the workers. The Union were just as ever out of touch like they were in the 80s when they single handedly embarrassed the City and fucked it until Heseltine came along under Thatcher and started the turnaround. Everton need an Heseltine not a Tony Benn. Get Benitez now and start the evolution we don't need revolution. Some one once said that?
Mike Gaynes
763 Posted 17/06/2021 at 16:21:16
Lovely ESPN feature right now on the tribute wall for Eriksen.

10th-minute tribute is planned. And I really hope he's chosen to hand the trophy to the champion, if he's able. He's the face of this tournament now.

Barry Hesketh
764 Posted 17/06/2021 at 16:21:21
I agree Mike, however, another take from Alasdair Gold:

So as I understand it (but let's be honest it could change again because it's Spurs) Gennaro Gattuso was Fabio Paratici's preferred choice and he wanted him at Juventus before he left, but he wasn't available for Tottenham.

So Fonseca became the available top choice. Everything was agreed between him and Spurs. Even yesterday they were sorting stuff for his visa and all the administrative stuff. Paratici and Fonseca had meetings this week in Milan and Como, to prepare for the season ahead.

Everything was going through. Then Gattuso left Fiorentina today and everything has gone haywire and Spurs have now switched their attentions to him. Fonseca's people are completely bewildered (sound familiar). A day in the life of covering Tottenham for you there.

In reply, a Spurs supporter tweeted:
Tottenham are running the most important managerial appointment issue like a ninth-division club. The board are all to blame

See it isn't just us that have misgivings about the leadership at a club.

Barry Hesketh
765 Posted 17/06/2021 at 16:25:20
Paul @768,

Please go and peddle your political views on an appropriate political website - what on earth has the appointment of a manager got to do with Socialism or Thatcherism or any other -ism???

Billy Roberts
766 Posted 17/06/2021 at 16:26:06
Paul Niklas – #750 and other corkers!!

What time do the pubs open in your neighbourhood?

Kieran Kinsella
767 Posted 17/06/2021 at 16:26:30
Barry

So Tottenham got Mullered. Remember that joker, showed up having agreed terms then said "wait a minute, we have to pay taxes on this?"

But as far as Fonseca goes, tax or no tax, he is not exactly going to be short of a few bob if he manages in England. Don't see him getting many other highly paid jobs in Europe.

Mike Gaynes
768 Posted 17/06/2021 at 16:27:37
Barry, haha... compared to the executive office mess at Spurs, the Everton management team look like the faculty at Harvard Business School. Spurs have all the economic advantages we can only dream of, but that club is such a train wreck that their living legend can't wait to leave.

Gattuso would certainly fix their issue with softness, although I doubt he'd last more than a year there.

Mary Coleman
769 Posted 17/06/2021 at 16:28:17
Carlo does a runner as soon as a better opportunity comes along and because of this you are calling for Duncan to lose his job, the disloyalty you display is unbelievable.

Let’s not forget, Carlo Ancelotti was not sacked, he moved on, yes he shit on us however he went on to what was bigger and better for him, for this you call for Duncan’s head, like he had something to do with it. I’m sure Duncan did his best to embrace Carlo in this city, looked to me like he was trying to bring him closer to the fans and the people of Merseyside, do you not think Duncan effected by Ancelotti’s departure?! Nope you want him sacked!!

Then Nuno - some of you are stating he was offered millions but has declined because Duncan is part of the set up, absolutely garbage, really where do you get this information from?

Another says “is Duncan is a true Evertonian” FFS, that's ludicrous.

Do you think the club are stupid, the club need Ferguson on the bench… What happens if the next manager walks out or is sacked mid season and we are bottom of the league, please tell me what would the club do. They would turn to Ferguson or the U23s coach to take over and steady the ship until a new manager was appointed. Makes sense doesn’t it….

And another “they won't leave there cosy set up”…. Really what garbage… Let’s consider how cosy Ferguson felt taking on Chelsea, Man U, Leicester and Arsenal when our football club was on the absolute floor and facing the championship.

Some fans on here have really short memories however it seems to be the same minority, the ones that don’t go the game!!

And please tell or show me a quite when did Duncan declared he wants the job. Let’s see the facts…

Kieran Kinsella
770 Posted 17/06/2021 at 16:29:32
Paul Niklas

That's a good first step to making yourself more unpopular than any of the managerial options mentioned on here.

Ed Fitzgerald
771 Posted 17/06/2021 at 16:29:33
Paul Niklas

You are talking out of your arse it was Thatcher and her kind who fucked this city and the rest of the North. What a brilliant idea for any nation to decimate its manufacturing base, deregulate credit and fuel a debt crisis. Decades later public money is used to bail out banks and effectively renationalise the rail network.

John Charles
772 Posted 17/06/2021 at 16:31:23
Paul Niklas,

Sorry to say it but you have no idea of the city's history – nor the clubs'.

Robert Williams
773 Posted 17/06/2021 at 16:33:02
Can't stand the sight of that RedShite on our ToffeeWeb. Enough is enough.
Mike Gaynes
774 Posted 17/06/2021 at 16:33:12
Kieran, he's already there.

Some potholes you just steer around and ignore them.

Thomas Richards
775 Posted 17/06/2021 at 16:33:19
Heseltine was sent by Thatcher to oversee the decline of the city. They had devised a strategy for that.

Credit where due: he saw the spirit of the people of our city and changed his tack. He deserves the thanks of all people who live in the city for the regeneration he encouraged.

I well remember a lad, during the two-night drinking binge we had to celebrate Thatcher's death, proposing a toast to Michael Heseltine. Well received.

Dan Nulty
776 Posted 17/06/2021 at 16:41:40
I'm starting to think everything we have read and heard is absolute media bollocks and we are actually in discussions with an international manager at the Euros. It is the only explanation for me.
Andrew Clare
777 Posted 17/06/2021 at 16:42:00
It's looking like Rafa is a dead cert for the job. A very good manager in his time but maybe his better days are behind him. Also, there is one very big problem: he managed a club that none of us Evertonians are very keen on.

I am beginning to think that, as long as these billionaire owners of football clubs can keep using football to launder their money, they couldn't really care where their club finishes as long as they remain in the Premier League cash cow.

Jerome Shields
778 Posted 17/06/2021 at 16:47:38
It looks that there is a media blackout at Everton. A decision must be iminent one way or the other.

But, having said that, what a shambles of a recruitment process. In my article, Blood Brothers, I did think there were two camps, but never thought it would manifest itself so blatantly as we are now seeing this unfold. It's like the negotiations between two power blocks, when an election throws up no outright majority. This is not the way for a club to recruit a manager.

Now we have Neville putting in his bit. Who does he represent? The fans or stalwarts in the club?

Richard Lyons
779 Posted 17/06/2021 at 16:50:43
Ed Fitzgerald #777 - well said!
James Flynn
780 Posted 17/06/2021 at 16:57:23
Mike (733) - Haha. Good one.

I'm loving this thread.

Phil Bellis
781 Posted 17/06/2021 at 16:58:14
Paul (768)

That would be Biddu, 1976, wonderful right-wing deep thinker. 😁👌

We don't need revolutions. We just need to open our eyes. Revolution is no solution, we ought to realise.

Jerome Shields
782 Posted 17/06/2021 at 17:01:34
Paul#768

Rubbish.

Dave Lynch
783 Posted 17/06/2021 at 17:08:19
Dan @782.

I've said on other threads from the off, I have a funny feeling it's Martinez.

It's just too protracted for it to be any other scenario.

Forget that last comment... I forgot we're talking about Everton.

Stephen Vincent
784 Posted 17/06/2021 at 17:09:35
Paul Niklas,

I realise that you are completely ignorant of Liverpool city history and indeed Everton FC history; I would recommend that you read Thatcher's cabinet papers. They called it Managed Decline and Thatcher intended to use it to bring the city to its knees.

If you can't be bothered to do that, I would recommend that you read Two Tribes by Tony Evans which explains the concept in words of one syllable.

Thomas #781 is entirely correct in his assessment of Michael Heseltine's contribution.

Dale Self
785 Posted 17/06/2021 at 17:13:13
Yep Dave, our lucky number is 4231! Look at it this way, every day without an announcement is another day it's not Benitez.
Terry McLavey
786 Posted 17/06/2021 at 17:13:42
We seem only to get managers that are past their best anyway so what's new, he'll bust a gut to beat Liverpool, hopefully twice, so that'll do me.

He may also be able to get a tune out of the shite he's inheriting, who knows?

As Greavsie said... "It's a funny old game!"

Mike Kehoe
787 Posted 17/06/2021 at 17:27:00
Paul Niklas,

Liverpool, like many other northern areas, was callously written off by the Tories, Thatcher's cynical policy of managed decline destroyed many families and caused decades of desperation for countless thousands. You should read some books before you post contemptible shite or express vile ignorance.

Thatcher's main objective was to destroy socialism, the people behind the NHS and welfare. A little history lesson for you, in the days before socialism, if you were poor and sick, you just died and they replaced you. Destroying the unions was the key strand to destabilising Labour, the cost was Britain's industrial infrastructure.

In 2002, she was asked what her greatest achievement was... her reply: New Labour, fuckin diet Tories.

Socialism is still very much in operation, it's just the preserve of the rich. When banks are bailed out with public money, that is a perversion of socialism.

Big no to Benitez, the identity of Everton has suffered enough. Literally anybody else.

Dan Nulty
788 Posted 17/06/2021 at 17:27:13
Dave, I don't think we will go back to Martinez. Of the managers in the Euros I can only think it is Southgate (gulp). I can't see us going for any of the others.

I'd be surprised if Deschamps and Enrique would come to us, I don't think we'd employ Joachim. The only other one is Mancini; I wonder if Conte is going to follow him coaching Italy?

Again though, would Mancini want the Everton job, particularly if he wins the Euros with Italy?

Unless there is another option managing there I am missing?

Soren Moyer
789 Posted 17/06/2021 at 17:27:26
As long as Galtier is available, there is a hope. Rumours even saying we have offered twice the salary Nice was offering! Please let it be true!

If we appoint FSW, that would be the end of Moshiri as the owner.

Tony Abrahams
790 Posted 17/06/2021 at 17:27:42
Paul @750, when Everton go to Bramley-Moore Dock, think about those spam collectors, and then think about Destination Kirkby, and who was prepared to take us there...
Will Mabon
791 Posted 17/06/2021 at 17:28:05
Just came onto the site, been busy and stayed away from all news so far today. I was expecting some news here but no, Benitez still stuck "In the frame". It's always a saga with EFC. Sucks the heart out of you.

Barry @ 737 - I think that nickname will fly, should things play out that way.

Stephen, the managed decline approach is in play today on a much larger global scale, in a much more pervasive form.

Michael Kenrick
792 Posted 17/06/2021 at 17:33:48
I really thought things were building to an announcement today but it seems the time for that has passed.

Which increasingly makes you wonder... are they just yanking our chain back and forth? If it's not Benitez, then the chatter – especially via that twat Jim White – is execrable. A deliberate and calculated fishing expedition.

But my firmly held belief is that they have not a care in the world for the opinion of the fans in these situations. That's something they pay mere lip-service to when it suits, eg, the Fans Forum.

Guess I still can't get used to this modern system of advance news release that seems to dominate the media these days. It's like everyone panders to the needs of the Breakfast News programs by telling them what the news today is going to be, ahead of it being confirmed, instead of the old ways of news being reported after it has actually happened.

Dave Abrahams
793 Posted 17/06/2021 at 17:36:48
Paul Niklas (various), if you are not a wind-up merchant, you are a first class dickhead.

Thomas (#752), 'Twat of the month' – I think you were alluding to Paul Niklas. If you were, your odds were well out: more like 1/100!!

Jimmy Hogan
794 Posted 17/06/2021 at 17:36:55
I know what the board's game is. Threaten us with Benitez, make it seem like a done deal and then as we all reel in horror and despair, install NES, which we all applaud.
Soren Moyer
795 Posted 17/06/2021 at 17:38:22
Where is the fucking Vinny O'Connor when we need him lol?
John Keating
796 Posted 17/06/2021 at 17:54:28
Michael,

I think it might be an idea to contact Paul direct and ask him if he's okay?

It might be that he's suffering from this “long covid” we keep hearing about.

Either way, the lad's not well

Nick Page
797 Posted 17/06/2021 at 17:57:45
Soren @795 - hate to piss on yer chips mate but rumour has it they spoke to Galtier and he wanted his own coaching staff. The Big Actor wanted Ferguson to stay so talks broke down. But you know, he’s only a Chairman and has nothing to do with football or running the club anymore looooool.
Dale Self
798 Posted 17/06/2021 at 17:59:06
Michael, forgive me some lurid speculation but we may be underestimating Bill's penchant for putting on a show. I think he knows he lands his plane with the new stadium and just can't resist presenting a pantomime melodrama. It is all psy ops to set up a Euro candidate and that is likely el Roberto.
Will Mabon
799 Posted 17/06/2021 at 18:00:03
Michael, 798 - I agree with all of that. It's perception management and engineering as the primary; and it's too easy and fast with modern media connections... and dedicated teams and systems to do it.

Essentially the whole media structure benefits from the "Interest", by various measures. We just get flooded with info, 90% of which proves to be meaningless after the fact.

Paul Niklas
800 Posted 17/06/2021 at 18:02:14
Socialism a global pandemic that has been erased. Responsible for more deaths than any other Virus, the evidence is there for all to see.

She was right to do all she could to rid us of it and it worked. Until we now have the corrupt labour Mayor and his socialist cronies again filling their back pockets, just like the unions and the militants of the 80s.

No wind-up merchant – just a Conservative point of view that's not allowed in my beloved city.

Rafa is perfect for the Blues, wake up and smell the coffee for once.

Karen Mason
801 Posted 17/06/2021 at 18:05:16
Brian at 740,

Thanks for making me laugh. It's been a while!! Ah if only. Galtier may not be able to speak English, but doesn't seem to be a problem for Bielsa!!

John at 745,

I understand that there is little affinity or loyalty with players or managers these days, but no other manager in the frame has shown the disrespect before managing us. And at least other managers wouldn't have an up side to seeing us relegated as Benitez would. Being celebrated as a hero by the Red Shite. Not to mention doing us out of millions. That's game, set & match to the Red Shite as I see it.

Dale Self
802 Posted 17/06/2021 at 18:07:04
Someone please hose Paul down, he's smoldering.
Kieran Kinsella
803 Posted 17/06/2021 at 18:07:13
Paul,

Socialism hasn't been erased, mate. Whether you want to lump socialism with communists, or take a more reasonable view and look at countries like in Scandinavia, it is alive and well.

Thatcher, on the other hand...

Soren Moyer
804 Posted 17/06/2021 at 18:08:32
Nick (803),

I thought the excuse was that his English wasn't good enough! The coaching staff story is for Nuno, lol.

Ian Horan
805 Posted 17/06/2021 at 18:13:26
Paul Niklas,

We fall out with each other on this forum on all things Everton. I am sure all contributors have no interest in discussing politics or religion on here!!!

Focus on Everton the football club; if that's too difficult Question Time is on the BBC iPlayer, or tune in to Radio 4. TW has more than enough to discuss without politics, religion or stupidity.

Kieran Kinsella
806 Posted 17/06/2021 at 18:14:54
This coaching staff thing is so patronizing regarding Dunc. They treat him as if he's an ageing pet dog, and the family will rent to anyone as long as they don't send him off to the pound. If they rate him, then promote him. If they don't rate him then replace him. But keeping him around forever as a number two to keep the fans onside is cynical and kind of insulting to the man himself.
Dave Williams
807 Posted 17/06/2021 at 18:18:34
It's pretty clear that all the stories we have been fed are pure speculation from journalists and zilch is actually been leaked by the people who matter. Indeed some journalists are referring to the board as if there are several people involved whereas there are four and whether DBB is involved in these discussions is open to question.

I will believe it when it happens, whoever it is.

On a side topic, I am all for free speech but where on earth has Paul Niklas sprung from? Some pretty extreme views there – does he still have that long blond hair and cheeky smile from Just Good Friends?

Derek Knox
808 Posted 17/06/2021 at 18:20:25
Paul Hewitt @ 696, I wish you would remove your tongue from Rafa's Anal Cleavage, trying to exonerate him by citing charity work he has done for Merseyside? Yer havin' a larf!

I am wary of anyone who does charity work, as a so-called Celebrity, do they not get maximum publicity as being the good guy? Usually just after there is some sort of indelible stain on their character or activities. Get real, it's all PR, his Agent would have seen to that!

Don't want him, or his like anywhere near our shambles of a Club, we may be the laughing stock since Moshiri joined the Circus, but I had hoped we still had some pride left!

Now go and wash your mouth out with soap !

Kevin Molloy
809 Posted 17/06/2021 at 18:21:52
The fact it was daft arse Jim White who started this makes me think it was either done deliberately to check fan reaction (oh dear) or he was ready to give him the job but has now bottled it.

Either way, we are in the hands of a nincompoop!

Dale Self
810 Posted 17/06/2021 at 18:25:50
yessssss, Gattuso at Tottenham. We kept our management mouth shut and now we can watch Spurs circle the porcelain.
Sean Kelly
811 Posted 17/06/2021 at 18:31:28
Is Comical Ali spreading these rumours?

Now it's Gatuso...

Andrew Brookfield
812 Posted 17/06/2021 at 18:31:59
People who claim that managers aren't coming to Evertone because they have to have Dunc as their assistant are, well, stupid.

Moshri didnt pour 200M into our playing squad, invest in a new stadium, hire one of the greatest managers of all time, just to let all that investment rot because Bill wants Big Dunc to be a number two.

It's just not a thing guys. There are probably many reasons why we haven't got our manager yet, and many that if I knew would most likely terrify me, but I am 99% confident we are not basing the future of our club on the conditional that Duncan has a number two job.

Nick Page
813 Posted 17/06/2021 at 18:32:07
Kieran, agree on DF - it’s an absolute embarrassment, it’s unprofessional and yes totally cynical (in its worst form) but it also shows the club for what they are and who still pulls the strings behind the scenes. I like DF a lot and I think it’s actually shameful foisting him upon all and sundry. Are we that desperate? Is he? And what does he have on Uncle Cyril’s nephew?

Any stadium news?

Brent Stephens
814 Posted 17/06/2021 at 18:34:12
Kieran, absolutely. Time for Duncan to move on - for the reasons you cite.
Danny O’Neill
815 Posted 17/06/2021 at 18:34:23
It's concerning Kieran.

I don't know, just about most of us don't, but if we are determining our next manager on whether they will keep Duncan or not, that is concerning. I hope not.

I'm happy for Duncan to stay on merit and because the manager wants him to be part of his staff.

But I genuinely hope that is not part of the negotiation process.

Andrew Brookfield
816 Posted 17/06/2021 at 18:36:29
Personally, all I want is for our DoF to say this is the style of play we expect at Everton. My preference would be a high line, high press.

He then goes out and buys the players which he believes can fulfil this strategy, regardless of the manager/coach. That may be Dumfries, Nunes, whoever, but he has a clear formation and buys accordingly.

We then cycle through managers who have proven they can deliver against that formation with other clubs, if they fail here, fine, fire, move on. But our identify and our squad remains constant.

So if I was DoF with the above strategy, I'd be looking at Galtier, Hassenhuttl, etc.

We can't keep jumping from strategy to strategy with every manager and being left with players from the last strategy which no one wants.

Nick Page
817 Posted 17/06/2021 at 18:37:51
“It's just not a thing, guys.” Andrew @818.

Hahaha LOL. He's been on the coaching staff for SEVEN years. Name me one other club in the current Premier League with an ex-player on the coaching staff that has seen off five-plus managers….

I'll wait.

David Currie
818 Posted 17/06/2021 at 18:40:12
Paul 806,

Why is Benitez perfect for us?? His teams are boring and negative; we have just had a season of that by the last manager? What has he done in the last 5 years?

We should go for Graham Potter: he is on the way up, he is young and hungry, and he plays a good style of football.

Mike Gaynes
819 Posted 17/06/2021 at 18:42:11
Andrew #822, for this club to play high-line-high-press would require us to buy about eight new starters.

That style requires pace. We have none to speak of.

Ray Smith
820 Posted 17/06/2021 at 18:44:24
The silence from on high is deafening!

Benitez
Santo
Uncle Tom Cobly and all.

We don’t know what we don’t know (think about it!).

All the speculation re the above is media driven. Thank god Jim White has left SSN, his comments regarding Moshiri dried up years ago, and who was pulling whose strings?

Whoever it is we will have no say in the appointment. You will never please all the people all of the time.

If it is Benitez we are going to have to swallow the bitter pill. However, those in the know are keeping their cards close to their chest.

I gave my season ticket up due to poor health, however, once a blue always a blue (57yrs from the age of 14).

To those of you threatening not to renew your season ticket, or never watch the toffee’s ever again, your not Evertonians (IMO).

Whoever takes over,true Evertonians will never desert the ship, whoever is at the helm.

John Skelly
821 Posted 17/06/2021 at 19:00:14
That's true Ray whoever is at the helm must be supported wholeheartedly.
Until if ever he becomes a complete failure.
Thomas Richards
822 Posted 17/06/2021 at 19:00:54
Somebody told me there was a tory somewhere in liverpool.
Paul Niklas it is.

It didnt work in this city, socialism is alive and kicking.
Mrs T isn't.
Happy days

Will Mabon
823 Posted 17/06/2021 at 19:07:42
You know what, Ray - emotions run high. I doubt many actually do give up their ticket in reality, unless forced to by circumstance. Ditto "Never watching again".
Brian Murray
824 Posted 17/06/2021 at 19:09:29
Paul Nicklas. I’m out of work at the moment do you suggest I should get my cycle clips on and go looking ? Your attitude rings a bell from rosy cheeked 80 s tories. Just saying.
Mark Frere
825 Posted 17/06/2021 at 19:13:55
Mike #825

An high press requires some pace... particularly at centre back - we have Godfrey, and Holgate is no slouch.

The system requires mobile players and high fitness levels. I think we've got plenty of players that would do okay: Godfrey, Holgate, Doucouré, Allan, Davies, Calvert-Lewin, Digne and Richarlison. With more pace added out wide, it would be my much preferred style of play. Not all high pressing teams have pace in every single position on the pitch. It's about getting the balance right.

We're crying out for some high energy footy that can get all the fans excited again. Ralph Hasenhüttl would be my choice to deliver that.

Jerome Shields
826 Posted 17/06/2021 at 19:17:20
Micheal #798,

Bad news is normally released on Friday, so loyal old Joe can have three days to accept his situation.

But this is one shambles by Everton, so it could be the following Friday. Not hopeful of good news from the so call leaders at Everton, the longer this continues.

Someone in Everton is feeding the beast.

Barry Hesketh
827 Posted 17/06/2021 at 19:23:45
An emotional plea from an Evertonian in the Mail, he makes some very valid points particularly towards the end of the article.

Disaster Waiting to Happen
Craig Walker
828 Posted 17/06/2021 at 19:31:49
Paul Nicklas.

Open your eyes and don't believe everything the Daily Mail tells you. This Tory government are responsible for over 120,000 deaths and that is with the massaged figures going off those who tested positive. The actual figure is much higher.

We've lost members of my wife's family to it. So many mistakes that they make Kenwright look competent.

Those socialists left us world-leading stocks of PPE in the event of a pandemic. Cameron, May and Johnson let it expire and put stickers over the Use By dates in 2013 and again in 2016. Shameful.

As for Everton, I think Rafa won't be appointed. If it were to happen, it would have been done by now.

I still don't get the calls for Potter. He is this season's Chris Wilder. A one-hit wonder. There have been lots of them down the years.

Go for Galtier and at least get someone who all the fans can get behind.

Stephen Vincent
829 Posted 17/06/2021 at 19:34:41
Ray #826,

I will always be a life long Evertonian irrespective of whether or not I choose to visit the Old Lady (first match 1959, season ticket holder since 1968) spent £10,000s following the Blues all over the world.

I am just not a Benitezian and frankly his appointment would be the final straw for me following years and years of lies and mismanagement by our illustrious Chairman.

Antony Kelly
830 Posted 17/06/2021 at 19:35:23
Nearly every player has praised Ferguson for being a great mentor and coach. He also proved himself to be a great leader of men. He stepped up and saved our club.

Nuno, Benitez or whoever will not give one jot if Ferguson is there and to suggest that's the reason a deal for these managers is stalling is plain ludicrous. Everton know they have a capable coach to step up again if they sack a manger mid-season or, in this instance, a manager does a runner.

Ferguson will always have my respect for saving our club when in free fall and, if you were at these games, particularly the Chelsea and Man Utd games, you would be thanking Ferguson, not criticising him.

Keep lording foreign imports, who are mercenaries... and keep criticising a true Evertonian who stepped up and saved us.

Embarrassing.

John Crawley
831 Posted 17/06/2021 at 19:44:42
Andrew @822,

That's exactly what we should be aiming for. Brands cannot be calling the shots on the managerial appointments; otherwise, he's the most schizophrenic DOF in Europe!

We've got no discernible style of play nor players that fit into a particular style. Instead, we are left with the inevitable conclusion that Moshiri is making the decisions on the managerial appointments and he hasn't got a scooby doo about football. Hence Benitez even being interviewed.

If Brands had anything about him, he'd resign. We are going nowhere under the present owner. If only we had the Brentford owner – he actually knows what he is doing!

Joe Pompliano on Twitter

Will Mabon
832 Posted 17/06/2021 at 19:47:59
Barry,

Biggest surprise in that article – forty candidates under consideration. Don't know where they got that from, I'd struggle to come up with half that number.

The rest of it, I basically agree with. I really would prefer Ferguson by now.

Barry Rathbone
833 Posted 17/06/2021 at 19:49:49
Craig Walker 835

Go for Galtier and at least get someone who all fans can get behind.

I would wager most Evertonians have no idea who he is (no bad thing btw)

Barry Hesketh
834 Posted 17/06/2021 at 19:52:36
Will @ 838

The list comprised of FSW, Former Real Madrid manager, Former LFC boss, Former Milan boss, Bloke who resides on the Wirral, Bloke whose wife does sterling charity work, Former Everton boss x 3, Guy who managed in China, Spanish guy with a goatee, up-and-coming boss x5,

Robert Tressell
835 Posted 17/06/2021 at 19:59:50
Looks like Spurs now turning to the deeply average Gattuso after being rejected by the deeply average Fonseca.

I am coming round to the idea of Ferguson and / or Unsworth. Let them work with Brands and a good crop of youth emerging out of our u18s.

If it goes wrong maybe then we can appoint the FSW because I guarantee he will still be out of work.

Peter Brogan
836 Posted 17/06/2021 at 20:00:20
Rafa is the best option by a country mile.

So he managed you know who….. his CV is far superior to anyone on the market. That cannot be disputed and this nonsense about modern football… he's won everything in the modern game – enough said.

Get Rafa and we will get into Europe. See the big picture, not the small one.

Andrew Bradshaw
837 Posted 17/06/2021 at 20:02:26
I am in the middle of moving house, which is stressful enough!!! For all it is worth, Benitez has done nothing for 14 years, Gattuso, why?

Here is one out of the blue: Why not Scott Parker? Hear me out; Fulham were made up of loanees and Championshp players. Terrible start but then became mean in defence and some good football.

If we all say no to Dunc, Howe, Potter as inexperienced or the others as past their sell-by dates. Then why not?

Conor McCourt
838 Posted 17/06/2021 at 20:02:40
Craig @834,

That made me laugh. Don't go for Potter because he's a one-season wonder, let's go for Galtier instead (the very definition of a one-season wonder).

Mike Gaynes
839 Posted 17/06/2021 at 20:07:53
Still zero indication that Galtier would ever consider leaving France. He has never managed anywhere but Ligue 1 and has expressed no ambitions to go abroad.

Besides, he speaks very little English.

Will Mabon
840 Posted 17/06/2021 at 20:14:18
Barry - OK, now I understand :)
Tony Abrahams
841 Posted 17/06/2021 at 20:17:14
I think most rational thoughts have been replaced by anger, and if some of that report in The Mail made sense, Barry @833, I thought just as much of it was utter bollocks imo.

The mischievous Liverpool fans are also fuming. "Benitez shouldn't go to Everton" is probably the only thing most of both sets of fans have agreed with each other on this century.

Roger Helm
842 Posted 17/06/2021 at 20:26:30
Yes, Craig, I think the vaccination programme would have been so much better with Corbyn and Abbott running it…

Back on point, I think the board want a safe pair of hands until BMD is done and Rafa fits that bill. I can't see any wild card getting the job.

Barry Hesketh
843 Posted 17/06/2021 at 20:26:59
Tony @847

I didn't write it mate, I only linked it because I thought it might be of interest to some fellow TW's. The board will do whatever they decide to do, and we as fans will have to live with it.

Antony Kelly
844 Posted 17/06/2021 at 20:27:39
Kieran (812) & Nick (819),

An aging pet, being kept around to keep fans happy; yes, this is definitely insulting...

Duncan Ferguson has worked his way up the ranks since his return to Goodison Park in 2011. Supporting Alan Irvine throughout the Academy while he was completing his coaching qualifications. He was then employed by the Academy and worked alongside Kevin Sheedy with the U18s. He was promoted up to the first team under Roberto Martinez, who came out in public back in 2014, hailing him as ‘the full package'. He worked under four failed managers before being promoted to caretaker, where he was undeafted.

Many ex-players and people within the footballing world have backed Duncan to be a great Everton manager and just what this Club needs. It definitely won't be this time around but you will see and by God, you will be eating your words, like every other so-called great Evertonian on here who does nothing but pull the man down.

You're allowed your opinions; however, they are utter shite...

Bobby Mallon
845 Posted 17/06/2021 at 20:34:22
Ray @700,

I said that about Klopp and I stand by it. Mark my words: you and the rest who want Rafa as manager will be the first to jab the knife in if our home form is as bad next season as it was the last.

If we get beat by the Red Shite, you and those who want him will witch hunt him with jibes: if he does not care, he's got the shite at heart, etc.

The fans have been split by a fucking dippy owner and it's wrong.

Christy Ring
846 Posted 17/06/2021 at 20:36:39
I believe no news is good news. The longer it goes on, the less chance of Rafa being installed... thankfully. We're linked with everybody now, it's beyond a joke, Gattuso the latest, and look at his record. Fonseca a lot better candidate.
Tony Abrahams
847 Posted 17/06/2021 at 20:40:19
Sorry, Barry, it wasn't aimed at you, but I think that once emotions start coming into it, a lot of rational thinking goes out the window imo.

I've read a few posts, but not that many to be honest, because as you quite rightly state Barry, it's on the powers that be at Everton to make the decision. But I'm reading a few things on these pages that honestly make me think: Do the people writing some of the shite actually even believe what they're writing?

Evertonians are all over the place, but one thing seems obvious and that is that most of them don't want Rafa Fucking Benitez anywhere near their club.

Clive Rogers
848 Posted 17/06/2021 at 20:40:21
Just been reading a report that the three board members Moshiri, Brands and Kenwright each have completely different choice lists for manager. What a shambles.
Ian Riley
849 Posted 17/06/2021 at 20:41:31
Nuno really out of the race to be our manager?

Ian Edwards
850 Posted 17/06/2021 at 20:46:55
Fans should be worried about Moshiri getting cold feet about Benitez due to the bitter element of our support moaning about his past and then going back to the dreadful Nuno.
Anthony Dove
851 Posted 17/06/2021 at 20:47:31
Nick@716. I am sorry that you see the situation in such a cold blooded unemotional way.
Kieran Kinsella
852 Posted 17/06/2021 at 20:47:57
Anthony

You misunderstood my post. Making him a condition of employment for the manager makes him seem like a charity case. Let the man sink or fail on his own merits be it as the manager, or a coach the new manager may consider retaining. They seem to just have him in the assistant role permanently with no prospect of moving up, just as a way to keep fans happy. That is what is insulting, and it is insulting to us but also to Duncan.

Paul Smith
853 Posted 17/06/2021 at 20:50:48
Strangely I agree with Ian Edwards.
Soren Moyer
854 Posted 17/06/2021 at 20:52:26
Why go for the Fat Spanish Waiter when a Michelin star French Chef is available?

By the way, #GaltiertoGoodison hashtag has started on Twitter

Dale Self
855 Posted 17/06/2021 at 20:55:54
This thread is converging toward the wisdom of Dave Cooney, "The odds are probably against the next chap so I have decided to hate him and get into massive arguments on the site for the foreseeable future.. I think this may be the best way forward..."

Better living thru getting in fights over managerial selections.

Liam Mogan
856 Posted 17/06/2021 at 20:56:35
That fella from Just Good Friends and Stardust is a bit of a bell end?
Ray Smith
857 Posted 17/06/2021 at 21:02:06
Stephen 835
Have to agree with you.
The chairman leaves a lot to be desired.
However, we will have to accept the new enumbant whoever he (she) maybe.
Maybe tomorrow will reveal all, which allows the power that be the weekend to respond.
I just wish the future of our wonderful club.
Gavin Johnson
858 Posted 17/06/2021 at 21:04:14
Why's that Ian? #865 You thinking the football is going to better under Rafa? I only ask cos 'style of football' was the drip effect we all heard last season in your criticism of Carlo.
Bobby Mallon
859 Posted 17/06/2021 at 21:04:18
This team/ club needs direction. That direction is a style of play with young energetic ( and a sprinkling of older headed ) players. But that direction and identity needs to start with Moshiri. So stop dividing the fan base and club and get this right ffs.
Derek Taylor
860 Posted 17/06/2021 at 21:12:04
The only reason for Kenwright to see Benitez as the ideal choice for Everton's next manager is a warped
attempt to show the Cub's owner in the worst possible light.

Only our revered chairman can save Moshiri from his folly and the ultimate demise of Everton into relegation fodder. All of this scenario happened to Randy Lerner at Aston Villa and is about to be repeated here. And Chairman Bill knows that very well !

Dale Self
861 Posted 17/06/2021 at 21:17:42
Ogden (ESPN) claims that Bill and Brands back Martinez and that it is Moshiri that is with Benitez. Again, all speculation but that is the current line. I would not put it past Bill to get Moshiri to play the villain backing Benitez while Bill comes to save the day with his old buddy Roberto.

And please don't interpret that as an initial and overriding desire to bring Bobby back. On the other hand, a choice between Roberto and Rafa is an easy one for me.

Joe McMahon
862 Posted 17/06/2021 at 21:28:29
Antony @836, i'm indifferent with Ferguson being manager for Everton or any PL club, as i'd prefer it if he managed a couple of years in the Championship or league one (like we know others have done or doing). But like you say "Nearly every player has praised Ferguson for being a great mentor and coach". So It's baffling why no Championship or league one club has made an aproach/offer to him.

I'm not being sarcastic, as we have all heard positive feedback about Dunc.

Pat Kelly
863 Posted 17/06/2021 at 21:37:15
Spurs deal with Fonseca has now collapsed.
Antony Kelly
864 Posted 17/06/2021 at 21:42:50
Do we know if Duncan wants the job right now, has he come out and publically said this, please show me the quotes...

I am sure Duncan, like all Evertonians will want the right man in the job, like all of us he will want the greatest manager out there to take this Club forward, he will have the clubs best interest at heart and if that means holding back and being inspired by greater things then I applaud him even more than I already do.

What I witness is that he is passionate about his job, he is passionate about this Club, our fans and the people in this City. He is a great coach and assistant manager, I’ve never seen any of the previous managers or first team players say any different, have you no I don’t think so...

Let’s give the man a break, back off, he is not to blame for this mess we are in so stop the “get rid, lingering around like a bas smell, aging pet, sack him” and all the other nasty comments been made on here, the man has been nothing but a saviour to this Club and we need to show him a bit more damn respect!!

Tony Harrison
866 Posted 17/06/2021 at 21:56:57
Duncan my arse. Anyone who has watched him over the years will have seen him sit almost motionless on the bench! Sammy Lee (ex shite) put him to shame with his enthusiasm and drive. No experience and...isn’t he a striker coach? Our strikers over the last xX years have been shite apart from Rom who will have learnt nowt from Dunc ( IMO ). DCL only improved when Carlo joined!, If you can’t develop and manage a small part of the team what makes people think he can become the manager who will drive us forward - Lunacy,! Decent player, bit of a lunatic, injury prone, should go get a job with lower league club and prove yourself before we would consider u as acceptable manager IMO. Rafa a definite NO, don’t care he managed shite but his style is boring (like Carlo) and his recent track record is shit. He is just a name! COYB, MAKE A SIGNING THAT WE BELIEVE CAN DRIVE US FORWARD WHILST PLAYING DECENT FOOTBALL.
Brian Murray
867 Posted 17/06/2021 at 22:07:02
Derek post 856. I have always believed the club can’t or won’t go to the next level and is quite happy ambling along. We all know the white nelly in the room is the main reason for it. If even half the rumblings are true about the direction and choice of manager there’s no way brands will be here by Xmas if he has any self respect. Contract or no contract. Villa similarities are scary.
Jerome Shields
868 Posted 17/06/2021 at 22:12:07
There are two camps within Everton fighting over the selection of the candidates that would be loyal to what they want, They are briefing the press accordingly. Even Jimmy White with his yellow tie is briefed by you know who.

I suspected that this was what would go on, but if there is not announcement tomorrow, for the old Everton faithful to come to some type of acceptance of over the weekend, then the conflict is bigger than I thought was possible. The result in the weeks after that will be of no use to the Everton Club.

Kieran Kinsella
869 Posted 17/06/2021 at 22:13:11
Ian

We are not worried Mosh will get cold feet about the moaning, we are hopeful he will get cold feet about it. As you should be as Rafa ticks all the boxes you harped on about with Carlo, age 61, yesterday's man, after the money (as in China), boring defensive football, poor signings, no youngsters in the team etc

Tony Harrison
870 Posted 17/06/2021 at 22:14:23
Brands has been worse than useless and should be binned ASAP before he wastes more millions IMO
Oliver Molloy
871 Posted 17/06/2021 at 22:19:43
In my opinion Ferguson should be learning his trade away from Everton and proving doubters like me wrong.

I have heard he has said to players and staff the only way he would leave Everton is if he was sacked.
It might just be, he hasn't got the balls to leave the cushy number he has with Everton with his "legend" status.

Go prove yourself Duncan, if you're good enough I'm sure the board will notice.

Barry Hesketh
872 Posted 17/06/2021 at 22:28:33
According to a post on Grand Old Team, the reason the Benitez decision is being held up is due to Benitez wanting more say/control over transfers - of course, it could be a completely fabricated story but if true it doesn't bode well.

Everton either wants a Director of Football or it doesn't. I wish they'd make their minds up, it's hard enough trying to attract good players to Everton as it is, anything that smells of instability in the structure of the club will only make it even more difficult.

I can only imagine that the three amigos are playing rock. paper, scissors to decide upon which one of them gets to make one of the most important decisions they could possibly have to make at what may prove to be a crucial juncture in the club's history.

But I'm sure that none of the above is true and that they are all singing from the same hymn sheet, and all of them are clear and united in what is best for Everton Football Club.


Paul Smith
873 Posted 17/06/2021 at 22:28:45
Brian Villa are doing alright especially that Grealish fella. Yes, I’m being facetious but writing us off as getting relegated when we just finished 10th is a tad melodramatic,
Rob Halligan
874 Posted 17/06/2021 at 22:33:25
Barry # 878. I've just been reading that Benitez wants to bring Conor Coady in as his first signing, and has given the board the green light to go and get him. FFS, he's not even been appointed the manager yet, and already he wants to bring ex RS players in.
Antony Kelly
875 Posted 17/06/2021 at 22:34:03
Joe (868) - maybe that’s the direct he will go in, what do we know, how do we know what’s right and wrong for him.. let’s just back off, I bet the man is just like the rest of us right now, after all and like I’ve said he will want what’s right for this club.

Tony (872) sat motionless on the bench, erm, didn’t you see him running on to the pitch just recently against the shite, embracing players with tears in his eyes, and you obviously didn’t see his reaction and celebrations at Man U, and of course you were nowhere near the stadium when he was caretaker.. I’ve watched him from my seat over the years, up and down, shouting directions.

The emotionless Ancelotti and Silva I think you are referring to on this subject.

He’s been instrumental (IMO) to the improvements DCL has made these past couple of seasons of which DCL has commented on so many occasions.

Justin Doone
876 Posted 17/06/2021 at 22:34:43
I don't see it as dragging on for too long, it will take as long as it takes.

Hopefully its the best possible appointment for the next 4 to 5 years at least.

Constantly changing managers, coaches, tactics, player's etc. Helps no one.

Brands can and should continue to bring in the players that we all known we need. I'm hoping for more attack minded players for a more attack minded manager.

No rush, but before July would be handy. I'm still waiting for Brands to bring in some top quality Dutch players, he must have identified at least a few that would suit the Premier league.

Barry Hesketh
877 Posted 17/06/2021 at 22:36:55
Rob @880
I saw that earlier, but didn't Nuno allegedly want to bring him from Wolves too?
Bill Gienapp
878 Posted 17/06/2021 at 22:38:09
Ian (856) - don't get me wrong, I'm not exactly champing at the bit to bring in either Nuno or Rafa... but all of your criticisms of Nuno at Wolves are just as applicable to Benitez at Newcastle, if not more so.

You've cited repeatedly how dreadful Wolves' goalscoring record supposedly was under Nuno... they scored 47 and 51 in their first two seasons after promotion. Newcastle, on the other hand, scored 39 and 42 in their first two seasons after promotion. Yes, Wolves plummeted to just 36 goals this past season, but I'm failing to see where this excitement for Rafa is supposed to be coming from.

Kevin Molloy
879 Posted 17/06/2021 at 22:46:05
Bill
it's worth bearing in mind Nuno had huge assistance with who he could bring in, Ashley wouldn't give Benitez a penny.
Rob Halligan
880 Posted 17/06/2021 at 22:49:40
Barry, yes, I think he did. Don't really understand my own point there!! 😁😁😁. Do we need Coady though, or are we going to sell any of our current centre backs?
Steve Carter
881 Posted 17/06/2021 at 22:50:42
No. FFS. At this rate the next one “in the frame” will be King Kenny.
Mark Ryan
882 Posted 17/06/2021 at 23:18:30
I hope Rafa signs on in the morning so we can start a new thread about signing players and get through all this moaning and bitching. Been a long day. Get him signed up. Night all NSNO
Dale Self
883 Posted 17/06/2021 at 23:22:08
Just to keep it clean Will, my statement is that the CDC recommendations are not equivalent to something a bud of yours found on some webchat. I am not equating your preferred beliefs to that phrase, I am saying the CDC is well above that.
Kevin Fitzsimons
884 Posted 17/06/2021 at 23:22:16
S'all good. Because we are a SMALL club, we can pay this clown peanuts. This will give us time to get a real manager in and hey if he happens to fluke it GREAT did somebody say bitter and small minded...
Laurie Hartley
885 Posted 17/06/2021 at 23:36:02
I am of the opinion our owner will have the final say on who our next manager is going to be. He probably thought he had hit the jackpot with Ancelloti (I did) and was probably more shell shocked than anyone when he got the phone call from Carlo.

I think he will go for a well known name and will be prepared to pay accordingly. His problem as I see it is paying the manager £10m a year wouldn’t be an issue but if the manager want’s him to spend another £150m on players that would be.

My advice to him would be go for a “youngish” up and coming manager capable getting the best out of the current crop.

My top interview question would be - “if I fund the acquisition of 2 new players what positions would you spend the money on?”. If the answer came back “a right winger with pace and a right back that can cross a ball” I would say “the jobs yours.”

As I have said previously somewhere in the world there is a manager that can put a smile back on our faces. We are not going to be top four any time soon but if we get the right man top six is achievable.

Lastly - it is absolutely imperative that the new manager has the backing of the fan base and the players.

Christy Ring
886 Posted 17/06/2021 at 23:43:29
Ian#856 "Moshiri getting cold feet about Benitez because of the BITTER element of our support moaning about his past and then going back to the dreadful Nuno, unbelievable! The abuse you gave Carlo, and now supporting Rafa, an ex red,who wouldn't hold a candle to him. I tolerated you, but I'm sorry enough. I'd like to hear what Darren thinks?
Joe Digney
887 Posted 18/06/2021 at 00:08:49
There’s photos all over Instagram of banners already been put up outside goodison expressing a justifiable anger towards Benitez being appointed.
Soren Moyer
888 Posted 18/06/2021 at 00:25:39
Lol the banners 😄.

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Daniel A Johnson
889 Posted 18/06/2021 at 00:38:56
We need to see if Ferguson’s chest thumping ball boy hugging schtick can last 38 games not 4.

He needs to demonstrate his nous elsewhere before throwing his hat into the ring.

Then again Man U are managed by an ex red with no real managerial record. Then again at least solskjaer actually had a go.

Gary Hughes
890 Posted 18/06/2021 at 00:58:12
As much as I dislike the pair of stupid looking bucktooth bellends Klopp & Rodgers I would take either of them tomorrow as manager of Everton. Benitez is an entirely different kettle of fish. The small club jibe that so many are willing to overlook changed the dynamic between both sets of fans. We've all been involved in banter going back decades but never did I hear a single kopite refer to us as small until that horrible nasty bitter little shitbag opened his mouth. The fallout is still going on today which makes me wonder how our board could have so little self respect by even considering appointing someone who has publicly ridiculed & disrespected us. Make no mistake every rednose is laughing at us because they know like I do that Benitez is no longer an elite manager, in fact they know full well that he poses no threat because his methods are 10-15 years out of date. There is no upside to this appointment. He will fail miserably & whilst I acknowledge all of our managers fail miserably none of them have ever split the board & split the fanbase, in fact I predict fighting in the stands & pure toxic venom destroying every home match until his inevitable sacking. The infighting between Arsenal fans in recent years has made them a laughing stock for rival fans, we should really try to avoid voluntarily make ourselves a similar embarrassment.
Barry Hesketh
891 Posted 18/06/2021 at 00:59:14
Soren @894
The bedsheet on the right would have sufficed, the one on the left is unnecessary and doesn't do Evertonians justice, and if it's still there in the morning young children will read it and that's not on.

If Moshiri and the club, in general, aren't aware of the negative vibes against Benitez by now they must be residing in an underground bunker.

Derek Thomas
892 Posted 18/06/2021 at 01:20:42
On new managers in general: It looks to me that, Levy...a well known canny negotiator where cash is concerned...has now binned candidates 2 & 3, a couple of seemingly good candidates, because they wanted to spend too much...especially with a brand new stadium to pay for.

There are (please, there must be) better than Benitez out there.

I think the left hand bed sheet has it spot on...with the usual tag line for what used to be called 'Industrial Language' of - Pardon my French.

Edit; also, given the Clubs noted parsimonious...on some things...attitude to money, an aversion for paying people to sit in the beach.

I don't expect any news until the last day of June.

When 'xxxxxxxxxx' will be announced as taking up his duties from 1st July.

Kieran Kinsella
893 Posted 18/06/2021 at 01:28:02
Richarlison is not in the Olympic squad so that settles that
Phil Smith
894 Posted 18/06/2021 at 02:20:23
Soren (894) that banner on the left is particularly colourful init! Hard lol!
Soren Moyer
895 Posted 18/06/2021 at 02:33:00
Phil, let's hope FSW and his agent have seen it.
Phil Smith
896 Posted 18/06/2021 at 02:58:56
And Paul Niklas can do one an’ all. No place for those gobshite views on here. Let’s keep this on topic and off Tory crimes against our city.
Eric Myles
897 Posted 18/06/2021 at 03:00:22
Rob #734, you don't look like Riquelme do you?

I've heard a rumour that he was spotted sat in his car outside Finch Farm waiting for a call :-)

Jim Harrison
898 Posted 18/06/2021 at 03:58:05
Need to appointment a manager soon just to get shot of some of the suggestions coming in! Did I genuinely read John Terry? Even if just in a coaching role?
Rafa made a crappy comment when managing local rival, Cannot be considered. But John Terry?? Please.
Phillip Warrington
899 Posted 18/06/2021 at 05:42:06
is this for real no manager and Everton spend £80million more on wages now than they did in 2016 – but they may run into FFP problems as their revenue has not increased at the same rate.That is according to finance guru and Football

Insider columnist Kieran Maguire, speaking exclusively after Everton announced on 4th June that four players will soon leave the club.Theo Walcott, Muhamed Besic, Yannick Bolasie and Josh King were all named on the Toffees’ released list.According to the Guardian last Friday, Everton will save approximately £12million annually in wages after getting the quartet off the books.But after Everton posted losses of £139.9m in their last annual financial report, there are still concerns within the club about financial fair play.

Maguire highlighted Everton’s wage spend has ballooned disproportionately in recent years when compared to their revenue. He told Football Insider correspondent Adam Williams: “We have seen the model of clubs such as Man United and Brighton of offering new deals to players who are almost out of contract. “Or, they can trigger the option of a one-year extension then sell the player because that then prevents them from leaving on a Bosman.

“But as far as Everton’s wages are concerned, if take a look at 2016-2020 [most recent figures], wages went from £84m to £165m. “That’s an increase of £81m during the same period that revenue only increased by £60m. Some of that was on the back of the unusual naming rights deal with Bramley Moore Dock.

“So Everton need to address cost issues. From a financial fair player perspective, it’s not sustainable.”
Brian Murray
900 Posted 18/06/2021 at 07:24:16
Paul, Soren, Let’s hope that sends a clear message to our not so sharp owner and his clinging sidekick ! We really need Brands to step up and take control. He came with a lot of fanfare god help us if he’s another inept member of this supposed professional outfit.
Brian Murray
901 Posted 18/06/2021 at 07:24:16
Paul, Soren, Let’s hope that sends a clear message to our not so sharp owner and his clinging sidekick ! We really need Brands to step up and take control. He came with a lot of fanfare god help us if he’s another inept member of this supposed professional outfit.
Kim Vivian
902 Posted 18/06/2021 at 07:29:32
Soren's picture at 894 - Poor, poor show.

I'm afraid that epitomises is what are becoming in the eyes of so many non Evertonian people. We have become such a negative fanbase, and never minding the shit show of a playing squad we have, any incumbent manager is going to see us like that and think "what the .... ?".

Who actually gives a flying fuck if Benitez or anyone else accused of having small cocks or anything else fucking years ago, it's our club and we need to be seen as a group who will get behind whoever is appointed manager. It's not our decision and the board will make a choice based on what they think will work best. We must back that up with our visible support.

I simply cannot align myself with that sort of demonstration and am saddened that we as Evertonians have to stoop to the personal abuse seen on the banners - that is not us really but it is what will be seen and we are tarred with the same brush.

Benitez would not be MY personal choice - but who the fuck am I to know who would be best? - Whoever becomes our manager will get my backing and at least be given a chance. If it's Rafa - and I think there are far worse names in the frame - I'm behind him.

Dan Nulty
903 Posted 18/06/2021 at 07:40:28
Levy didn't bin Fonseca because he wanted to spend too much. Fonseca decided against it when he found out how much tax the UK wanted of his salary.

I really wish we wouldn't put banners up with that disgusting language on it. There is absolutely no need and paints a picture of Everton fans that we don't want the world to see on social media.

Need to get something done soon as I'm pretty sure we'd have tied up some transfers if we had a manager in place.

Peter Brogan
904 Posted 18/06/2021 at 07:50:22
The banners were probably done by kids who have no clue. Rafa is a good choice, he's the best candidate for the job. He is not a kopite, he supports Real Madrid.

Oh well... let's give it to Unsworth. I'm fed up now and disgusted by some of our so-called fans.

Paul Birmingham
905 Posted 18/06/2021 at 07:50:31
Let’s go for Pulis!

FFS, those banners at Goodison, won’t help Everton’s cause with any potential candidate.

Sharp smelling salts and a dose of reality as to the Everton status quo in football.

If there’s no unity with the board room, then the circus, will role on.

The frustration is festering but there’s ways to voice opinion, but the board have got to get a grip, as they are straining the relationship with Everton supporters.

This preseason needs some good to happen for Everton, soon, very soon.

Colin Glassar
906 Posted 18/06/2021 at 08:05:00
I'm not for or against the banners per se but it does make me laugh the timidity of some of our fans when it comes to protesting the calamitous ownership of our club in recent years.

Yes, let's moan and groan... but do it quietly. Let's not unfurl nasty banners in the ground, let's not march in protest, let's not boo or chant naughty words. No, nothing of the sort. We are Evertonians, and we are better than that etc, etc, etc….

In the meantime, the club is being run into the ground, laughed at, humiliated... but we must remember our manners and behave like the good little sheep that so many have become.

Fuck that! I'm all for making those two fat, useless fuckers squirm. Take a leaf out of the Liverpool fans' playbook and grow a fucking pair.

Martin Berry
907 Posted 18/06/2021 at 08:14:20
Abusive banners written by morons, shameful.

Regardless of your objections, do it with dignity.

Mark Ryan
908 Posted 18/06/2021 at 08:20:54
I'm guessing the person who has hung those sheets out calling Benitez childish names is one of the same people who has been crying and moaning for the past 14 years that he called us a small team. Boo-hoo. What a child!

Well, all I can say is well done; you have just confirmed it. You're worse than he is. It undermines the fabric of our support and it lacks class.

I'll bow out of this thread because I can see it's pointless and I can see the level we've reached.

Brian Murray
909 Posted 18/06/2021 at 08:28:02
Get a grip, Martin, Mark... they are not daubing monuments or directing fireworks at the Liver Building, They are banners that can easily be taken away.

It obviously needs something this strong if the owner and the imbecile next to him can't or won't grasp the reality of the supporters' feelings. We shouldn't even be in this situation if we acted professionally (now that's a dirty word in L4...) and had a Plan B, C and D.

Brian Murray
910 Posted 18/06/2021 at 08:31:02
Martin.

Oh, by the way, this 'dignity' as you say, or the 'Everton Way', has everyone walking all over us for years – right from the feeble attempt to object to the Heysel ban, to the here and now.

Marc Hints
911 Posted 18/06/2021 at 08:31:26
Absolutely, Martin, those banners are embarrassing to the club.
Andrew Ellams
912 Posted 18/06/2021 at 08:34:17
This "We can't protest because that's what they do" nonsense is a huge reason why we are deep in the shit, the current Premier League laughing stock, and they are in a place that we can only dream about.

I'm tired of hearing about being "The People's Club", being "Born, not Manufactured" and all of the other tripe spouted to try and cover the up the fact that we are a joke right now, on and off the pitch.

Rob Dolby
913 Posted 18/06/2021 at 08:35:00
The banner guy is protesting and making his voice heard. What is wrong with that?

There are lots of managers available, why do we have to go for the one that hasn't won anything for years?

Hopefully the banner and maybe some social media will alert the board to the lack of support for the potential appointment.

Ray Roche
914 Posted 18/06/2021 at 08:39:58
Brian, it's impossible to take the moral high ground about fireworks at the Liver Buildings when pondlife embarrass the club and decent supporters by placing disgusting, childish banners like this. I don't want scum like that representing me (or my club) by such shameful behaviour.

It may be acceptable in your world, Brian, but it's not in mine, and I imagine the vast majority of intelligent Evertonians will be feeling the shame that I feel now.

Peter Warren
915 Posted 18/06/2021 at 08:41:35
Rob 919 - “Benitez not welcome” fine. The other is classless.

I'm not against employing an ex red manager – eg, Rodgers would be a fabulous appointment. Benitez? I just don't see it. If he joins, he gets my full support... and hope I'm wrong.

Danny O’Neill
916 Posted 18/06/2021 at 08:42:30
Not even a rumour on the BBC. The first thing I read on the Gossip column is we are interested in pursuing Conor Coady, but feels like a lazy link to the potential "on the verge" appointment of Nuno.

This is torturous.

Ray Roche
917 Posted 18/06/2021 at 08:44:25
Rob, there's nothing wrong in protesting but why use such vile language? Do you use language like that in front of your mother, wife, kids?? It's not acceptable, mate.
Jim Bennings
918 Posted 18/06/2021 at 08:45:39
Rob @919,

Probably because we haven't won fuck all ourselves for a quarter of a century?

Why we persist to have these elevated misconceptions of the likes of Conte coming to us is beyond me. A manager like that wouldn't touch us with a barge pole and Ancelotti only came here because he more than likely thought it would be his last job.

Galtier has an agreement with another club and most likely wants to honour that.

Fonseca or Favre would be a risk and could be Christian Gross reincarnated type appointments.

Moyes has signed a contract at West Ham.

Potter would be a risk and the fans wouldn't be patient with that one; Eddie Howe likewise.

Dyche is tied down at Burnley and would cost too much to prize away, and again would the fans be patient?

Duncan Ferguson would be a risk; could the team could play that gusto football every week we had in his game against Chelsea? I doubt it. Maybe he would surprise us, I don't know... but perhaps Duncan doesn't even want that role yet?


Marc Hints
919 Posted 18/06/2021 at 08:46:05
Rob @919

I am all for protesting and making your voice heard but that one banner is vile, do you want kids to see that from Everton fans?

Brian Murray
920 Posted 18/06/2021 at 08:50:46
Ray @920.

End of the day, we are all Blues and some more fierce about it than others. I'm not into point-scoring off other Evertonians. There's only one person largely responsible for this and any banners – bad taste or not – should be directed at him: Kenwright.

Brian Murray
921 Posted 18/06/2021 at 08:53:58
Marc @925,

I'm sure kids hear and see far worse than that at the match etc. Unless you live in the Little House on The Prairie!

Bobby Mallon
922 Posted 18/06/2021 at 08:54:10
Fair play to who ever put those banners up.
Pete Clarke
923 Posted 18/06/2021 at 08:58:01
I have knocked Bill Kenwright endlessly as I think he's a real danger to the clubs progress.

I will knock him once more with the thought of how selfishly smart he was in finding Moshiri after years of looking 24/7 for a buyer who could give the club tons of money but leave him in his his role.

It is clear now that, apart from having lots of money, Moshiri has not got a clue about football. Bill did not do much due diligence and we are now possibly left with somebody equally poor leading our club.

Ray Roche
924 Posted 18/06/2021 at 08:58:05
Brian, so you think it's acceptable?

It doesn't matter how fiercely you support your club, that is out of order. If their lack of intelligence or limited grasp of English results in that behaviour, then someone, please, take the paintbrush off them.
Even Neanderthal Newcastle fans are looking down on us, for Heaven's sake.

Marc Hints
925 Posted 18/06/2021 at 08:58:17
Brian @927

Yes that's a fair point they do see and hear worse than that at games but you have a choice as an individual when putting a banner up with what language you use?

Brian Murray
926 Posted 18/06/2021 at 09:06:02
Ray. Can't remember a blue chinning a horse! Can you? 😂
Michael Lynch
927 Posted 18/06/2021 at 09:08:18
Spurs have halted negotiations with Gattuso now. Maybe they'd like Rafa?

As for the signs outside Goodison, I did laugh out loud but they are just wrong. I mean, calling him a Kopite cunt is fine, but the fat thing is out of order.

David Pearl
928 Posted 18/06/2021 at 09:08:21
Argghhh! Hahaaaa, Brian!

Did you see Kenwright hang those banners? It does actually look like his writing so l will give you that one.

Ray Roche
929 Posted 18/06/2021 at 09:10:34
932
🤣🤣🤣🐎🥊
Bobby Mallon
930 Posted 18/06/2021 at 09:13:51
Can somebody please please explain why Bill Kenwright is still at the club? Has Moshiri not bought enough shares so he doesn't have a say on anything? I don't get it. Please someone explain.
David Pearl
931 Posted 18/06/2021 at 09:23:29
Benitez is all Moshiri in his search for a 'Hollywood' manager after getting his fingers burnt with Silva. He is out of touch with the fanbase.

We need someone to come in and bring us all together again... and the players. He also needs to stay for more than 18 months so he can build something. I'm guessing those banners lasted as long as it took for a photo op.

Joe McMahon
932 Posted 18/06/2021 at 09:25:11
Sorry Guys, I'm with Martin, its embarrassing and doesn't show Evertonions in a good light.
Jim Bennings
933 Posted 18/06/2021 at 09:28:36
Moshiri needs to find stability, and Everton as a club need a manager that will be here four or five years now.

In hindsight Moshiri made a huge mistake binning Martinez straight away instead of backing him with the money he gave Koeman (who didn't even really want to be here).

Martinez first season should have been enough for a bit more patience but we binned him too fast and in the years since we haven't exactly replaced him with a greatly improved manager for Everton Football Club have we?

Carlo WAS a great manager but whether he's a great manager in 2021 is another matter and certainly the fit at Everton was never one that you felt would last.

Howard Don
934 Posted 18/06/2021 at 09:29:54
Embarrassing banners – no class.
Paul Niklas
935 Posted 18/06/2021 at 09:30:24
Phil Bellis. Yes, that's the Biddu quote; however, I was actually referencing it based on Jimmy James and the Vagabonds. Not as deep.
Bobby Mallon
936 Posted 18/06/2021 at 09:36:24
"Wow, what a protest, thank god Everton weren't one of the superleague six!!!! Well if that's the worst it gets, hello Rafa."

That is from a Man Utd mate of mine. We are a joke. Manks and every other team taking the piss. Not because of the banners being up but because that's all that's happening. Can you fucking imagine David Moyes being accepted at Anfield? They would have went mental... and we have some fans complaining about a banner.

Robert Tressell
937 Posted 18/06/2021 at 09:38:23
David # 937, I know what you mean. Although if Benitez is Moshiri's idea of Hollywood then I'd love to see what his DVD collection looks like. Nothing more recent than Love Actually presumably.

In many respects, I think we all over estimate Moshiri's ambitions for the club. He's not after 'Hollywood' – he's after 'safe'. He's not after 'success' – he's after continued relevance while he builds a stadium and redevelops the docks.

Laurie Hartley
938 Posted 18/06/2021 at 09:47:07
I have been thinking about my post @ 891 and you know what? - I think Nuno ticks most of the boxes. All he has to do is answer the questions correctly and the jobs his.
Brian Harrison
939 Posted 18/06/2021 at 09:47:58
The words on one of the banners might have been wrong but the sentiments of both banners was absolutely right. Maybe posting on sites like this and writing to the Echo to protest doesn't get the attention. No use protesting when the deal is signed, that's far too late to hope to change things.

Thomas Richards
940 Posted 18/06/2021 at 09:59:47
The banners are an absolute disgrace.

Should have been much larger.

James Stewart
941 Posted 18/06/2021 at 10:02:30
@938 Completely agree. Embarrassing doing things like that, as I said earlier, I thought we had more class as a fan base than Chelsea... but clearly not.
Rennie Smith
942 Posted 18/06/2021 at 10:03:12
Jim @ 924 "Potter would be a risk and the fans wouldn't be patient with that one" - since when has anyone on TW been patient?
Thomas Richards
943 Posted 18/06/2021 at 10:05:43
Class"

Has seen us shit on from a great height by our saviour on a regular basis.
Time for the opposite to be shown. , "Class"

Has seen us shit on from a great height by our saviour on a regular basis.
Time for the opposite to be shown. , , , 1, 10:04:48, , 213. 205. 242. 185, ok, 23848, 06/18/2021 10:04:48, Tomrichards2@outlook. com, reader, , , no 1167057, 40933, toffeeweb, 18/06/2021, Jerome Shields, jeromewshields@icloud. com, "Jimmy #9,

He is a Iranian born UK businessman. He is not an agent recognised by the Premier League, but styles himself as an advisor to clubs and players. He has investment interest in over 70 players, mostly South American.

It has been reported at various times and via different outlets that he is an advisor to Moshiri and is part of the manager recruitment team, though this has not been verified. It has been reported that the manager recruitment team consisted if Brands, Kenwright, Moshir and another. This fourth person has been both rumoured to be Kia, or another, what I consider to be a reliable source, is not, but someone else.

On pure speculation, I would say that is Usmanov. Kia originally was reported as being involved in drawing up a list of candidates, though I would have thought the manager of River Plate would have been on the list. He wasn't. At the moment, he has appeared to disappear.

Martin Mason
944 Posted 18/06/2021 at 10:06:19
After all of this time, I've realised exactly why Everton do what they do. They have become a small club and even now, with massive finance, we still act like a small club. Big clubs are run professionally – not by crony culture.
Jim Bennings
945 Posted 18/06/2021 at 10:17:03
Rennie 948

I agree, but sadly it's the presence that were at the home games in the dying embers of the Martinez, Silva, Allardyce and Koeman era which I found disturbing.

The abuse and vitriol directed at those men was frankly embarrassing and disgusting and I walked out of the stadium ashamed at the way our fans had turned on the manager of the club.

Changing managers endlessly will see this club relegated eventually in the way Aston Villa were in 2016, we are following the same path.


Ian Burns
946 Posted 18/06/2021 at 10:19:16
I would like to add my disgust and despair at the language used on one of those banners. Protest by all means but that sort of poster brings as much divide among supporters as the choice of manager!

Derek Knox
947 Posted 18/06/2021 at 10:20:41
James @ 947, I am not in favour of vandalism or graffiti by way of protest, but just how do the fans convey their collective (well most) disdain and unpopularity of the decision to appoint Benitez?

What's more, maybe our protesters do have a bit of class after all, at least it was movable graffiti not like those across the park, who just blatantly paint spray everything without any consideration at all. The photo's should have well found their way into the media circus by now, that hopefully should be all it takes to get the message across.

Not so long ago the vandalism on Rupert's Tower, not once but twice, should be a reminder of how real morons act, glad it was nothing, apart from the obvious connection, to do with us. Fair play to the lad's that did protest with the sheets at Goodison, I applaud you, unfortunately we all can't get to the Ground that easily, to show our support against what has to be bad for OUR CLUB!

Dave Williams
948 Posted 18/06/2021 at 10:20:56
The impact of the sentiments on that banner unfortunately dilutes because the idiot who wrote it couldn't put his feelings into words which are acceptable to decent people.

Surely Moshiri can't go ahead with this appointment. Alan Brazil says he has been told that Brands will leave if Benítez arrives.

Whilst Brands still hasn't convinced me, I wouldn't want to see Benítez or any other new manager given total control. If that happens, I can see us being relegation candidates as the club would be in total meltdown and our players don't need much excuse not to perform.

Help!!!

Stephen Vincent
949 Posted 18/06/2021 at 10:26:31
Peter #929,

Bill did an amazing amount of due diligence: he got exactly the man he wanted. Someone that enabled him to keep his trainset and who he could endlessly manipulate.

Ray Roche
951 Posted 18/06/2021 at 10:28:26
Derek Knox
953

Del, you can't applaud anyone who drags the name of Everton through the mud with 'protests' like that. You're right, it is all over social media, and doesn't show us in a good light. I'm an Evertonian and have been all my life, but I don't want to be lumped in with idiots who can't see the damage to our club's reputation that such behaviour causes.

You've seen me on the golf course, you know I can swear almost as well as you, (you being an ex Naval Officer you must have the advantage there) ;-), but I wouldn't stand up in the clubhouse in mixed company and shout profanities like that.

Phil Lewis
952 Posted 18/06/2021 at 10:28:34
The fixture list has been kind to us for the first month or so I notice. Whoever the new manager is should take advantage of it. I don't want Benitez, Nuno was my choice, but I guarantee that the fat Spanish waiter will be forgiven and past indiscretions forgotten by even his fiercest critics, should we string some victories together at the start of the new season. Such is the fickle nature of football and fans alike.
Ian Burns
953 Posted 18/06/2021 at 10:29:18
After nearly 3,500 votes, 44% of Evertonians wouldn't mind Benitez becoming our manager. I must add that I am not one of the 44% but despite the disgusting banner under discussion, it certainly doesn't represent such a vast majority against this appointment as these posters would imagine.

Michael Kenrick
954 Posted 18/06/2021 at 10:36:53
That's a great observation, Ian. As usual, it's the most affronted, the offended, the betrayed, who are dominating the conversation, and claiming the high ground. But these numbers suggest their vehemence is far less than over-whelming.

However, if Rafa's name was released deliberately to test the wind, as seems to be the case, then there could still be a strong enough reaction to discourage his selection, if you believe Moshiri is for being swayed by such triffles.

The Echo now saying there will be an announcement "early next week"... yea right.

Sye Turner
955 Posted 18/06/2021 at 10:42:45
What the fuck is wrong with the people running our great club. Why would we consider the Fat Spanish Waiter, has our stock dropped off the scale. This is Everton not some run of the mill club. Get a grip and bring somebody in who can take us back to where we belong.
Derek Thomas
956 Posted 18/06/2021 at 10:49:37
Nothing will happen until the 29th - 30th June 'xxxxxxxxx' will start on 1st July. Bill has never liked paying people to sit on the beach before they start.
Unless they have a Euro Manager lined up?.
Barry Rathbone
957 Posted 18/06/2021 at 10:55:58
The thing with Benitez is all he would have to do is offer a few well chosen words at his press conference to defuse the situation. A subtle dig at the monkey island crew with some flannel about "the senior club on merseyside" and rich history going back before Everton people created them and he'd be in.

Not sure if he's that courageous though

Chris Mason
958 Posted 18/06/2021 at 10:57:03
The club looks to being badly run and factional.

I don’t blame Brands if he jacks it in if another appointment is made that undermines his position.

Craig Walker
959 Posted 18/06/2021 at 11:05:51
Very proud to be an Evertonian but those banners disgust me. Most embarrassing graffiti/banner since the ‘Silver Out’ one.

We’re better than that.

Whatever people think of Rafa as a person or manager, why hark on about his weight?

Martin Nicholls
960 Posted 18/06/2021 at 11:06:53
As no-one has claimed responsibility for those banners, I wonder if it was our very own "international man of action", Ian Edwards? After all, he acts while the rest of us are content to "sit back and accept mediocrity"!
Just joking Ian!
Derek Knox
961 Posted 18/06/2021 at 11:10:12
Ray, I will give you that the choice of language on the Banner could have been chosen more wisely, but it it still would have got the point across. Like I said before, how else can the grass roots supporters' feelings be heard?

I don't think for one moment, anyone on the Board would read TW, Blue Kipper, NSNO, GOT or any other online fan sites, only lazy journos looking for a story and would filch through the fan's posts and then fill in the rest with fabrication, declaring it to be a scoop!

Neil Cremin
962 Posted 18/06/2021 at 11:25:36
Being an Everton Support for nearly 55 years, I am disgusted and appalled by the language and actions of a few obviously bigoted supporters to the potential Benitez Appointment.
Have we no pride and self respect or are we stooping to the gutter comments of that disgusting bedsheet notice at Goodison. True blue Everon fans should be outraged that this behavior represents our club.

As I have said in numerous posts before, Benitez is not my choice because he is the most divisive of the choices available but if appointed and started to make progress oh how things would change. Yes I can list all those I dream to have but how many are interested managing an Everton side which our former esteemed manager Carlo could not.
Carlo's football was painful to watch as a matter of fact in all the years watching Everton, this was the most boring. He failed to motivate the team and he finished 10 after bringing in those players he deemed essential to improve the squad. In any performance evaluation it would be a failure.

So what are the reason for not wanting Benitez.
Ex Liverpool manager: We gladly take theirs and Man U surplus.
Small Club comments: We need to grow up build a bridge and walk over it.
Football style: Well if it stops us losing to relegated teams and steadies a ship which is seriously out of control, that would be good enough for me for starters. Our football has been getting worse year on year. Out pace is so slow you any side can counteract it, hence our losses at Goodison. Those looking for attacking football of Martinez have very short memories, once good season built on Moyes tightly organized, low risk team which were encouraged to attack soon led to a shambles of a defence. Lets see how the much vaunted Belgian side with probably some of the best attacking players in the world will do against the best organized sides in the Euros.
And rather than say who I don't want, I will nail my colours to the mast.
I would take the Galtier (if he was interested) because built a team to take on the big spending clubs in France. After that, I say No to sacked or journeyman managers such as Conte or the Mourhino types whose condition is to spend big. We have already seen how negotiations have broken down at Spurs where such managers prerequisite is to spend big.
We need a disciplinarian and an organiser who will steady the ship, doesnt have to be as big name but will start rebuilding a team firstly who are hard to beat (yes defensive and well organised), then identify hungry and dynamic midfielder who looks for the ball and want to distribute it so we can move to next phase and be a bit more expansive. Build a team for the future so that by the time we go to BMD maybe we will have CL football.
From my understanding, Nuno, Potter and even Benitez are that type of Manager.
What Everton football club now needs is stability. I would even consider Duncan and a home grown team as he give us the most exciting football we have seen in past few years but he is a also a major risk as he has no track record and I do not know anything about his organisational skills

We are hypocritical when take the knwee to support BLM while not embracing others who point to the RESPECT logo on their shirts.

Have we lost all pride in EFC. NSNI

John Burns
963 Posted 18/06/2021 at 11:28:25
Taking all the emotion out of (which is impossible!) Benitez is yesterday’s man. Like our previous incumbent he has a great past.

I want a front foot high pressing manager. I want a manager to dictate a type of football to get us out of our seat. I want excitement. Benitez won’t bring us that. I’m definitely in the no camp.

Martin Mason
964 Posted 18/06/2021 at 11:35:08
The damage being done to Everton now is immeasurable. For the sake of stability my opinion now is that we should appoint Benitez and suffer whatever comes which is out of our hands. We're not going to solve the Manager problem this time round and Benitez may just allow us to solve the Everton problem.
What are we going to do about the "Bitter Blue", problem such as illustrated by the people who put up those posters and the anti-management minority who are becoming ever more loud on this site. They are a major problem.
Dave Lynch
965 Posted 18/06/2021 at 11:40:56
I'd appoint him on principle after those banners.

Mick O'Malley
966 Posted 18/06/2021 at 11:47:34
People who are complaining about Rafa have every right to, or we can clap along and keep the status quo of shite football and finishing mid table while paying these managers kings ransoms
Neil Cremin
967 Posted 18/06/2021 at 11:52:38
Absolutely Mick, but there is no place for lack of RESPECT and the disgusting commentary in making that point. We have been clapping along for some time now despite big name and small name managers. Who do you suggest will bring us BACK to the Holy Grail of Top 4 or minimum European football Top 6, that is will to take on the job without spending a fortune and running for cover when he joins the ranks of the long list of failed Everton managers.
Michael Kenrick
968 Posted 18/06/2021 at 11:55:30
Bobby @936,

The story so far:

Bill Knewright led a consortium that took over the club from "Agent" Peter Johnson, thus rescuing us from the hands of a heinous RedShite, and earning the undying love and affection of Happy Clappers throughout the length and breadth of Goodison Park.

When 'Life President' Sir Philip Carter retired from the role in 2004, Kenwright became Chairman of the Board of Directors.

Bill admitted he didn't have the money to take us forward, and set out on a 20-year search for a 'suitable investor'.

'Suitable investor' turned out to mean someone who would cash in almost all of Bill's shares while allowing him to retain his position as Chairman of the Board, and defacto in control of all matters at the Club.

Incredibly, the new investor is still not a member of the Board of Directors after 5 years as the provider of massive funds to take the club forward. Bill Kenwright remains in charge as the Chairman of the Board, which consists of only three other people: Barrett-Baxendale, Ryasantsev and Brands.

That means Bill's power base comes from being the major shareholder with a seat on the Board, despite now holding only a paltry 1.72% of the outstanding shares in Everton Football Club Co Ltd.

I'm just surprised, Bobby, that you are not lauding him as a fucking genius for pulling off the greatest act of smoke and mirrors in his theatrical career. And you really don't want to know how much he personally has garned from the Everton shares he has sold.

Steve Brown
969 Posted 18/06/2021 at 12:01:20
The content of one of the banners was offensive, gratuitous and unnecessary. The banners themselves were important in driving home to Moshiri the response he will get from a large section of our fan base if he hires Benitez.

It will be as divisive an appointment as Allardyce, whose tenure lasted less than 6 months before it was ended. And a few warm words from him at his unveiling won't change anyone's opinion.

If the board weren't tone-deaf about their own fan base, they wouldn't have even entered into discussions with Benitez. They cannot ignore the sentiment now.

David Pearl
970 Posted 18/06/2021 at 12:02:17
Michael, you'd of put all that money back into the club? He sold his shares. That's it.

The banners l do not care about at all. 1 or 2 guys put them up, took some pictures and they will now be down. I'm thinking an Italian or Colombian football clubs fans may have gone to stronger lengths than 2 small home made banners. Those banners are a little embarrassing to the name Everton but then again we are used to it now.

Barry Hesketh
971 Posted 18/06/2021 at 12:11:16
Alan Myers
@ALANMYERSMEDIA
·
5m
Don’t expect any appointment at EFC until at least next week, up to 8 candidates have been considered, including Nuno, Benitez, Martinez, Galtier, Howe and Duncan Ferguson, job has not been offered to anyone at this point
Neil Cremin
972 Posted 18/06/2021 at 12:14:42
Steve
I refer you to Ian at #959 above for balance.
Neil Cremin
973 Posted 18/06/2021 at 12:17:11
Barry
When you say considered, does that imply that they have been in discussions with these candidates and that they have expressed and interest in the job or is it a "WISH" list.
Brian Williams
974 Posted 18/06/2021 at 12:19:37
Ian#959.
That 44% represents only those who read TW and have bothered to enter the survey.
It's not really indicative of the feelings of the general match going supporters.
Surveys such as those mean very little in the grand scheme of things.

Thomas Richards
975 Posted 18/06/2021 at 12:21:29
Michael 974.

If he wrote a show in one of his plays how he has kidded the bollocks off Moshiri, it would be put down as too far-fetched.

James Stewart
976 Posted 18/06/2021 at 12:23:39
@971 My thoughts exactly.
Ian Burns
977 Posted 18/06/2021 at 12:26:08
Brian - 980 - you may be quite right but who knows? I would say TW is representative of the general EFC support given the diverse comments one reads on this site and this is the only vote I have seen on the subject.

As I said I am not one of the 44% but many of us wouldn’t say “no” to the appointment according to this poll.

Barry Hesketh
978 Posted 18/06/2021 at 12:26:21
Neil @979,

I wish I knew that, but that's just the tweet that Alan Myers put out a short while ago. I imagine that the list has been whittled down to a shorter one, but who the others are, is anyone's guess. I'd take it that Nuno and Benitez are the top choices with a couple of others. It's interesting that Duncan is actually being considered according to Mr Myers.

Bookies must be loving this managerial hunt by Everton and Spurs.

Mick O'Malley
979 Posted 18/06/2021 at 12:26:40
Neil @973,

I haven't got a clue who I'd rather have, but it's pretty obvious that Rafa will cause a split in the fan base, and I agree with you about the vulgar offensive message.

Ray Roche
980 Posted 18/06/2021 at 12:31:09
Derek Knoxx@967

Del, it’s not placing a banner that I have a problem with, it’s just the choice of language. You could have made the same impact without that.
The reputation of MY club is being trashed on social media and it just provides the RS, Barcodes etc with ammunition. It’s tough enough being a Blue right now without having to deflect the crap from those beauts.

And Michael, if by finding that behaviour unnecessary puts me in the “ offended” category, then fine. We clearly have different standards.

Brian Williams
981 Posted 18/06/2021 at 12:32:00
971&982.
So you'd hire him because somebody put up one offensive banners and another one that wasn't offensive, just to show them?

Do you realise how silly that makes you look?

Thomas Richards
982 Posted 18/06/2021 at 12:39:53
Dave Lynch 971: I'd appoint him on principle after those banners

😂😂

Rob Dolby
983 Posted 18/06/2021 at 12:52:24
I have no problem with the protest banners. The language used isn't great but the message is from a passionate fan that doesn't want Benitez.

I wouldn't use that language infront of my family but, in the heat of supporting the Blues, I have probably shouted worse over the last 43 years as a season ticket holder, especially during the late 80s and early 90s when I was a lot younger.

The fan base deserve better than a lazy appointment of a guy that hasn't won anything for years. The game has moved on.

Let's see if anyone puts supportive banners out calling for Rafa!

Stephen Brown
984 Posted 18/06/2021 at 12:57:36
I am really despondent on all things Everton at the moment. The managerial search has become a bit of a farce and I'm not clear what our long-term or short-term aims are?

Seems like a shambles?!

Ray Roche
985 Posted 18/06/2021 at 13:03:10
Rob 989

Supporting Rafa?

Now, THAT is offensive!

Dave Williams
986 Posted 18/06/2021 at 13:04:54
Myers is usually spot on and it looks to me that we have been getting ourselves wound up about stories which have no sound basis.

I can't believe that Rafa will be appointed after all this fuss. I wouldn't be surprised to see Duncan get it with an experienced coach like Carsley as his number two.

There again... what do I know!

Kim Vivian
987 Posted 18/06/2021 at 13:05:56
I'm 100% with Ray. Some oiks are really belittling our club whether they think so or not. I'm not local anymore (living down south now) and really try to avoid football banter recently. It's almost embarrassing. I mean - what sort of argument can I put up. Hard to even be humerous tbh.

Christ knows what we look like from the outside looking in.

Derek Knox
988 Posted 18/06/2021 at 13:07:29
Brian @ 987,

I agree there was probably too much 'back of the toilet door on a Grimsby fishing boat' language on one of the banners but hopefully it got the message across!

Oh, just heard that Benitez has been spotted going into Slimming World! :-)

David Israel
989 Posted 18/06/2021 at 13:11:04
Rob # 989, we were all a lot younger back then. And at the last game of the 1962-63 season, my first-ever, and Harry Catterick's first title, I was even younger...

Time flies...

Neil Cremin
990 Posted 18/06/2021 at 13:13:03
Mick #985
When you look at the comments on this and other threads, I don't think there is any of the managers being considered according to Barry #977 who would not be considered divisive.
I will give you my perspective:
Divisiveness (D) vs Riskiness (R) (1 being the most Divisive or Risky)
Nuno: D3 R5 (Good start but poor last season)
Benitez: D1 R6 (Experienced, successful, as per Carlo)
Martinez: D2 R3 (No going back see HK 2&3)
Galtier: D6 R4 (No experience in the Premier League)
Howe: D5 R2 (No success, same as Silva and Martinez)
Duncan: D 4 R1 (No experience as senior manager)

People forget that the most important criteria for us now is:

1. Steady the ship and have a stable management structure

2. Manager with experience, very good organisation skills who has the ability to motivate a team to always perform to the best of their ability.

3. Build a team rather than buy a team.

I'll let TW decide who they would choose from the list based on those criteria.

Ian Burns
991 Posted 18/06/2021 at 13:18:41
Neil - 996 - if that’s the full list and their suitability for the job, no wonder this site is slowly going into meltdown over the subject!

Is there anybody out there?

Jason Leung
992 Posted 18/06/2021 at 13:23:18
I obviously see the problems and issue hiring Benitez, but I would rather someone who knows what it takes to be a top team, unlike Nuno or Potter who have no idea what it takes to manage and lead a top club. Benitez knows and may very well take us to the top with backing from the board.

So what if he hasn't done anything in years? At least he's won something! And according to reports, he actually wants the job. If memory serves me right, Carlo wanted to go to Arsenal but they ultimately chose Arteta. And he clearly didn't want to be here with his move to Spain.

I think the banners are totally over the top, especially the language used. I mean children and kids will be seeing this. One of them is fine, voiced your opinion, but the second is just a disgrace and an embarrassment to the club. Abuse and insults are totally uncalled for and unacceptable.

Rob Halligan
993 Posted 18/06/2021 at 13:23:34
What’s so offensive about “Benitez not welcome?”
Kim Vivian
994 Posted 18/06/2021 at 13:26:02
Neil... Well, from a footballing perspective, you have to go with the least risky. Divisiveness will dissipate with good results.

And vice versa.

George McKane
995 Posted 18/06/2021 at 13:35:19
I will be doing a “Media” interview at Goodson at 2:30 regarding [the new pop sensation] Benitez and The Banners.

George.

Ray Roche
996 Posted 18/06/2021 at 13:37:06
Where can we hear that, George?
Neil Cremin
997 Posted 18/06/2021 at 13:39:59
Ian,

Apparently not. Potter has been mentioned (same marks as Nuno); Lampard is out of work but is he interested, is also divisive and risky.

Others, IMO, would be risky because they are journeymen; if they really believed they were good enough to do the job and see potential, they would be knocking on the door without demanding a huge transfer kitty.

Kim, My thinking too.

Rob. It should be obvious that it is the other bedsheet and the offensive, racist and disrespectful descriptions on this thread. Surely we are better than that.

Rob Halligan
998 Posted 18/06/2021 at 13:44:14
No shit, Neil. It’s called being sarcastic. Though, as they say “Sticks and stones may break my bones, but names will never hurt me!”.
Rob Dolby
999 Posted 18/06/2021 at 13:46:51
Jason 998.

If that's your criteria, why not appoint Swen, Capello, Gullit, Wenger, SAF, Zola, D'Matteo or Klinsmann?

Would people want Claudio Ranieri? After all, he won the league 5 years ago.

Regardless of his Liverpool background, he is past his best.

Appointing a younger guy that has something to prove surely has to be the way forward. Rather than a journeyman looking for a pension top-up.

Thomas Richards
1000 Posted 18/06/2021 at 13:51:51
Ive stumbled onto the Womens Institute forum judging by the anxiety about "offensive banners"
George McKane
1001 Posted 18/06/2021 at 13:51:53
Capital Radio.
Steve Brown
1002 Posted 18/06/2021 at 13:55:21
Rob @ 1004, sounds like you don't need to visit Finch Farm today!

I don't mind the long wait as hopefully it means Brands is being allowed to do a proper recruitment job.

Neil @ 978, any Everton manager who starts his job with only 44% of fans backing him is a dead man walking from the start.

Ray Roche
1003 Posted 18/06/2021 at 14:03:08
Thanks George.
Neil Cremin
1004 Posted 18/06/2021 at 14:03:10
Rob,

I remember that too when I was young. Smiley.

Still doesn't take away from the fact that such comments and behavior should not be part of the Everton "People's Club" ethos.

Gavin Johnson
1005 Posted 18/06/2021 at 14:03:22
If we were appointing Brendan Rodgers they'd be overwhelming support cos he's still a manager in his prime despite being ex RS. The issue with Rafa is that he hasn't done much for the best part of a decade. I have no doubts he's still a very good manager but it will be Big Sam all over again in terms of style of play and where we finish in the league table.

Which made Ian Edwards #856 post even more astonishing to me given everything he's said about Carlo from wanting him sacked after every defeat to calling him a dinosaur.

By the way, the longer this goes on my money is on the appointment of Martinez happening. Lets hope he's not as stubborn and started practicing set pieces.

Barry Hesketh
1006 Posted 18/06/2021 at 14:07:39
Thomas @1006,

Some of us are living and working with supporters of our neighbours and despite some assumptions, many of them are decent human beings who have families and a sense of decency.

Those banners (of which there was more than one expletive-ridden, outside Goodison) are inappropriate, and add nothing to the message they are trying to convey. I know that I can't defend or justify them to my Liverpool supporting colleagues and friends; perhaps you and others can.

John O'Toole
1007 Posted 18/06/2021 at 14:09:32
Our Club is becoming more and more of a laughing stock. Benitez???
The problem here is the Mosh has all the dosh and dictates what or who he wants and if he doesn't get it, throws his toys out the pram.

Our recent track record in appointing Managers (apart from Carlo who amazed me in taking the job at Everton in the first place) is beyond woeful.

I'd give Dunc the job or go for Graham Potter. Obviously there is no chance
now in bringing back Moyes but I wonder what he could have done bearing in mind the money available from Mosh. Moyes did alright given bugger all budget to play with.

This is now a serious problem given that I can no longer play golf as I am constantly ridiculed for being an Evertonian.

Thomas Richards
1008 Posted 18/06/2021 at 14:10:42
Tell your neighbours not to walk down Goodison Road Barry.

History over the years has shown lfc fans to be sensitive souls, I can understand your concern for thier wellbeing.

Rob Halligan
1009 Posted 18/06/2021 at 14:11:51
Steve, I was thinking of doing a banner saying “ToffeeWeb says NO to Benitez”, but then thought no, as it might offend some. By that I mean there are a few who wouldn’t mind him and a banner like that implies that everyone on TW is against his appointment.

It’s really a catch 22 situation, isn’t it. I reckon the majority of blues fans don’t want Benitez, but are not prepared to do anything about it. The minute some banners appear as a protest, people are up in arms. And if we do absolutely nothing about it, it just looks like we’ve accepted it. Whether the banner is offensive or not, hopefully it will get the message across to whoever it is who wants Benitez, and force a re-think. There must be other candidates being considered if Benitez has still not been appointed, because it was all done and dusted on Wednesday according to some media outlets.

Neil Cremin
1010 Posted 18/06/2021 at 14:13:59
Steve 1008
Based on the comments on this thread, that means all the names mentioned to date fall into that category.
The last time we had a strong agreement on a managerial appointment was Carlo and we all know what happened there.
Im out of here to enjoy the sun and wait with bated breath on who will be our new manager. I wish him luck whoever he is as he will need it.

Just for confirmation, Benitez is nowhere near my preferred option but he does not deserve the abuse he is getting here. As I have stated before we have been burned so often by journeymen such as those mentioned by Rob #1005 and I belive we should take some risk on someone committed to taking on the project.

Ed Fitzgerald
1011 Posted 18/06/2021 at 14:14:30
I'm amazed at the apparent sensitivity of some posters on here because of some bad language used on a banner about Rafa. Those feigning outrage at the use of an Anglo Saxon expletive and worrying about the potential damage to the club's reputation might be better served directing their ire at the club's leadership instead of berating fans expressing their feelings.

I'm sure we have all heard much worse at the match, in the workplace, and in school. I do think it was regrettable that they called him fat as that is probably down to genetics. I suggest for those of a delicate disposition, you listen to Derek's and Clive's lampooning of people's hypocrisy over bad language. Just search for it on You Tube and include the expletive used on the banner – it's just a word!


Ed Fitzgerald
1012 Posted 18/06/2021 at 14:21:52
Just for the sake of clarity will it still be permissible on TW to refer Liverpool FC and their fans as the RedShite or is that going to cause too much upset and distress?

Perhaps Michael or Lyndon can set the boundaries?

Brian Williams
1013 Posted 18/06/2021 at 14:23:41
Ed #1017,

I had the original D&C cassettes – that's how long ago it was.

Some of the funniest stuff I've heard!

Steve Brown
1014 Posted 18/06/2021 at 14:23:46
Neil, in the more relevant poll on ToffeeWeb Benitez received 14% of votes from the list of potential managerial candidates. I think that is a fair summary of his standing among supporters.
Rob Halligan
1015 Posted 18/06/2021 at 14:27:06
Those who are offended by the banner have clearly never seen Chubby Brown!! Now that is offensive! 🤪🤪🤪
Ed Fitzgerald
1016 Posted 18/06/2021 at 14:29:41
Brian

It might be from the 60s but it’s still some of the funniest and original comedy I’ve ever heard. Most of their best clips are on you tube

David Pearl
1017 Posted 18/06/2021 at 14:30:13
Rob, not that offensive but, if you have a point to make, it's better without the language. Although the first one would look pretty good flying over Goodison on the opening day of the season.
Ed Fitzgerald
1018 Posted 18/06/2021 at 14:33:40
David

That is fair point you make so I suggest we no longer chant that

Kopites are Gobshites to Kopites are not nice because after all the sentiment is the same

Geoff Williams
1019 Posted 18/06/2021 at 14:51:19
I don't care that he was manager of Liverpool but I would be gutted if he was appointed manager. I simply don't want an old has-been looking for one final payday. His teams play awful football. It would be such a kick in the teeth for the fans. For goodness sake, Moshiri get a grip and recognise you know sod all about football and let Brands earn his corn!
Ray Roche
1020 Posted 18/06/2021 at 14:51:39
Ed @1017

'Feigning outrage at the use of an Anglo Saxon expletive=. '

So, you use that expression to your wife do you? I'll bet you do...

It's not 'outrage', Ed, and nothings being 'feigned', it's just that there's a time and a place for it and a banner that's now gone 'viral' does nothing but harm the clubs reputation, and if you, and others, can't see that then you must be blind.

I've never seen such garbage as people on here trying to justify one of those banners. I'd swim through snot to avoid having Benitez here as manager and any number of banners is okay with me, but let's not stoop to the gutter. Let the other shower do that.

Kevin Molloy
1021 Posted 18/06/2021 at 14:54:09
Steve,

I'm not sure why the poll you refer to is the more relevant one where all the candidates are listed. The votes were spread around 10 names so nobody would do well under those circumstances.

I think 44% in favour before he is appointed is pretty respectable given his background. If he were to be appointed, I am sure that figure would jump to over half with people wanting to just get behind the new man.

Kev Jones
1022 Posted 18/06/2021 at 14:56:21
Laughing stock? I can’t see what’s wrong with the board taking their time to consider who is the best man for the job, no matter what their background is.

I don’t want Rafa, not good enough and too divisive. I don’t have a problem with banners but do have a problem with the one with the offensive stereotypes.

I still dream of Galtier or Conte but think Nuno is the most realistic and stable bet.
Dreaming again, I agree with Jim Bennings #939 and others-bring back Martinez!

Brian Murray
1023 Posted 18/06/2021 at 14:57:33
Okay, I don't want that big-boned catering Mediterranean red person anywhere near god's little acre! Is that better?
Kevin Molloy
1024 Posted 18/06/2021 at 14:57:47
Ed,

Nobody's 'feigning outrage'; it was a vile act. Benitez obviously loves Liverpool the city and his family have stayed here for the last 20 years. What's he ever done to deserve the absolute worst word in the English language? He called Everton a 'small club'? How pathetic.

Conor McCourt
1025 Posted 18/06/2021 at 14:58:47
Gavin @1011,

If it's true (and I don't accept for one minute that it is) that 44% of our fan base want Benitez as our new manager then I think the Spaniard's comments about us being a small club are totally vindicated.

Even taking out his connections, the mind boggles as to why any club with half-decent aspirations would want a manager who has done nothing of significance in the past 10 years. This would be the very essence of a 'small club' mentality.

Now to deal with the connections and his previous with our club. I can't get my head around why any Evertonian would logically be in favour of his appointment. Even if personally you thought he was still a decent manager, I don't know how anyone can come to that conclusion based on recent evidence. The potential to disenfranchise the fanbase, split the board, and make the Club an even bigger laughing stock for what could in reality never be a successful marriage would just be complete insanity to me to even comprehend his stewardship of our great football club.

We would deserve everything we get for appointing Benitez.

Kim Vivian
1027 Posted 18/06/2021 at 15:02:31
Again - I'm with Ray's sentiment (but not sure about the snot bit). It's not even like the banner was clever. I don't think anyone's being sensitive. It just makes us look like fucking twats imo. I mean he's not even that fat.
Thomas Richards
1028 Posted 18/06/2021 at 15:06:22
Kim,

"It just makes us look like fucking twats imo."

I took offence to that industrial language. Makes us look like twats, tbh.

Ray Roche
1029 Posted 18/06/2021 at 15:06:24
Kim, there's no need for that language on ToffeeWeb.

You know how sensitive some people are.

;-)


Bill Gall
1030 Posted 18/06/2021 at 15:11:27
A banner like what has been expected on the gates of Goodison Park is just the feelings from a small group of supporters. It may not show too much class, but is something that can be seen on numerous derelict buildings.

I am not sure what the average attendance is at Goodison Park, but let's just say 32,000, would it make more of an impact if a petition could be raised to show the amount of people who would sign it for either a Yes or No for signing Benitez?

I am not for him – not because of his comments or his association with Liverpool, but because I don't like his style of play, and disruption with his previous owners and boards that shows arrogance.

Will Mabon
1031 Posted 18/06/2021 at 15:12:10
I'm leaving TW if this filth continues.
Brian Murray
1032 Posted 18/06/2021 at 15:14:14
I tyhink we have more to worry about than how some Blues express themselves, tbh. Maybe if the likes of Kim etc with not living in the city can see with a wider lens. It's not easy even having to look at them shysters here, never mind talking to them. They will have more extreme and offensive banners ready if this is true, no doubt.
Michael Kenrick
1034 Posted 18/06/2021 at 15:14:41
Thomas @981,

As I was compiling that, I almost added the standard line:

"You couldn't make it up"!

Ed Fitzgerald
1035 Posted 18/06/2021 at 15:20:49
Kim - I’m aghast at your language I’m sure you are more than aware of the etymology of the word t..t What a bunch of Rotters you are.

Allan Board
1036 Posted 18/06/2021 at 15:22:03
Back home, rained off work, so decided to check on TW to see the latest on our new manager search!

Nothing new, other than tittle tattle from the media and a rumpus over a couple of bed sheets!

Ultimately, folks, it's just all about money. Everton's owners won't spend the required amount to achieve success, because that's not what they really want!

Success demands more investment in transfers to keep you up there, and for at least 30 years, Everton always sell their best assets. They are only interested in mid-table.

I truly believed, once Kenwright had been bought off, that we would be run on a professional, ruthless, winning basis with the sentimentality of yesteryear extinguished. It seems nothing has really changed: jobs for the boys, paid well if you remain a yes-man, toe the party line, say the right things, and, worst of all, sticking two fingers up to decent people who will always stick by and support Everton.

My lad gets so much abuse at school for being an Evertonian, it is unreal. The lads doing it are all full of shit, just like their dads, who follow the teams who look best on their telly. My lad has been to Goodison dozens of times and seen all the garbage of recent years, but has seen Martinez's first season, 15 home games in fact I took him to (I did the derby on my own) and that is as good as it's been for him. He still harks back to it now and he is only 13. A 300-mile round trip and he loves it.

If only the owners truly appreciated what an effect this old club has on people. Everton need a young fella in charge who will crush the regime and hand out lots of straighteners. The trainset mentality will never allow it though.

Mike Doyle
1037 Posted 18/06/2021 at 15:25:51
Alan Myers reporting that nobody has yet been offered the job - and not to expect an appointment for another week (at least).
Andrew Grey
1038 Posted 18/06/2021 at 15:27:11
I'm with Ray Roche on this banner thing.

Duncan Ferguson should have thought more carefully before he used that type of language.

Mike Gaynes
1039 Posted 18/06/2021 at 15:27:36
Ray Roche, you are on a roll today.
Will Mabon
1040 Posted 18/06/2021 at 15:28:44
Mike (D), that's interesting - but I wonder what leads him to say another week?
Kieran Kinsella
1041 Posted 18/06/2021 at 15:33:30
Point about the sign is that you don't want little 5-year-old kids seeing that then going into school telling their teacher Benitez is a cunt.

I am not concerned with offending grown adults who support Liverpool. As Ed says, it's a word, and I think like any word it's the venom behind it that is more meaningful than the word itself.

But, like I say, thinking of young kids, and parents, grandparents with young kids, I think it was something that could have been spelt out much more politely and amusingly with a bit of thought.

Thomas Richards
1042 Posted 18/06/2021 at 15:36:23
All the 5-year-olds in my family know he's a cunt. They've informed their teachers.
Michael Kenrick
1043 Posted 18/06/2021 at 15:39:31
So the latest leak (Daily Star) claims there are eight names still on the shortlist!

Although the really poor article seems to just accumulate scraps of the click-bait tittle-tattle from the last 17 days, so it probably means nothing.

Brendan McLaughlin
1044 Posted 18/06/2021 at 15:41:19
Andrew#1044
If it had been Duncan...Beneathus himself would have been hanging on the gates!
Mike Doyle
1045 Posted 18/06/2021 at 15:42:20
Will #1046 ] No idea, but Alan certainly has connections at the club. Unfortunately the list of 8 names he mentions as being under consideration as those failing to excite on TW.
Kieran Kinsella
1046 Posted 18/06/2021 at 15:43:18
Michael

I must have missed that. I check the Daily Star to read high quality stories like "Lonely nun starts fans only page" or "wiki leaks confirms Price Charles is a Martian."

Brent Stephens
1047 Posted 18/06/2021 at 15:44:19
Ban all banners.

Now that calls for a banner.

Soren Moyer
1048 Posted 18/06/2021 at 15:45:08
Language people! Mind the language ffs!
Steve Brown
1049 Posted 18/06/2021 at 15:47:56
Kevin @ 1027, because the Benitez poll is a binary choice and there is a lack of precision per the law of comparative judgement.
Steve Brown
1050 Posted 18/06/2021 at 15:53:17
Only joking by the way, I prefer the poll that has Benitez at 14% as I think he is crap and a cnut!
Kim Vivian
1051 Posted 18/06/2021 at 15:59:32
Ed (1041) - yes of course, but I'm keeping it on here among folk I (sort of) know and love.

I'll save me bed sheets for... y'know - sleeping.

Thomas - or is he simply a twat? (in their opinion)

Kim Vivian
1052 Posted 18/06/2021 at 16:02:21
Is 8 a 'short' list?

Just sounds like a list to me.

Andy Walker
1053 Posted 18/06/2021 at 16:04:08
Beginning to look more of a possibility that FSW was expectation management by manipulator Mosh.
Kev Jones
1054 Posted 18/06/2021 at 16:06:05
Brian1029 muy divertida - just drop any irrelevant reference to personal characteristics and country of origin.
Thomas Richards
1055 Posted 18/06/2021 at 16:06:44
Kim.

Both

Kev Jones
1056 Posted 18/06/2021 at 16:26:57
For me it’s not that the words are offensive. Its that they are single bricks that when casually used over and over again cause people to feel inferiority and shame - a big house of hurt. This is rarely acknowledged by the people who use and excuse those words.
Danny O’Neill
1057 Posted 18/06/2021 at 16:40:48
Daily Star scattergun Michael. Throw enough names at it and one might stick.
John Keating
1058 Posted 18/06/2021 at 16:49:33
Don’t be surprised if some yet unmentioned guy comes out left field at the last minute
Martin Mason
1059 Posted 18/06/2021 at 16:57:14
Maybe the only solution that solves everything is to give Duncan the job. If he fails, he goes and the crony problem with it. If he succeeds then everybody wins.
Kieran Kinsella
1060 Posted 18/06/2021 at 17:11:00
Martin

I actually agree with you. Gatusso is the latest link, I query that one but Mike Gaynes likes him. But, my worries were based on his football, apparently his Tottenham deal is falling through because of his offensive behavior/remarks. There seem to be a lot of questionable candidates but no one great. So we could pay one of these jokers a lot of money and hope for the best, or just give it to Dunc and let that scenario play out as it may. If it doesn't work out, it will have been a less expensive gamble than the other dodgy options

Pete Clarke
1061 Posted 18/06/2021 at 17:15:28
I am on the other side of the world so I cannot go and hang a bedsheet on the gates and I currently have no spare sheets anyway.
I would like a fellow blue, who has a spare sheet to do me a favor and go and hang one up with this message.
Dear Rafa. On behalf of all decent Evertonians, I would like to offer a profound apology to you for any derogatory comments made about you. Apologies also for us taking offense to your “ small club” comment about Everton because you were 100% correct.
Due to our club being run by clowns for the past 20 years or so we deserved your comments and those made by many others.
Welcome to the circus and good luck !

Sorry but it may need a big king size sheet for that message and neatly done in calligraphy.
Dale Self
1062 Posted 18/06/2021 at 17:15:40
Damnit, Spurs were supposed to take that guy. I'll admit that I haven't done much research but I don't see him as a good fit on leading the locker room. The fire he lit would lead to an explosion I fear and we don't have a deep enough squad for that type of experiment. Go Conte if you want firebrand.
Don Alexander
1063 Posted 18/06/2021 at 17:29:04
I'm sort of impressed that most of us owd gits even know the meaning of "the word" in question. I'd've thought "Beneathus Is A Merkin" is something that'd chime with us.
Dale Self
1064 Posted 18/06/2021 at 17:58:38
As your retarded American football friend I must say that while we've been burdened by a rather testy discussion without it I would never have heard the phrase 'I'd rather swim through snot'. As an Okie I truly appreciate such colloquialisms, right up there with 'wouldn't give em the steam off my piss'.

Classic TW there man. Credit to Ray.

Roger Helm
1065 Posted 18/06/2021 at 18:07:14
It is a bit embarrassing for the club but I don’t think a few potty- mouthed lowlifes are worth worrying about. Everyone knows that all clubs have an idiot fringe. At least it’s not hundreds of them bricking coaches, vandalising iconic buildings and doing even worse things.
Thomas Richards
1066 Posted 18/06/2021 at 18:09:04
Potty mouthed lowlifes*

😂😂

,"Potty mouthed lowlifes*

😂😂

,,,1,18:08:55,,213.205.192.77,ok,23848,06/18/2021 18:08:55,Tomrichards2@outlook.com,reader,,,no 1167289,40932,toffeeweb,18/06/2021,Kieran Kinsella,haggerwood@msn.com,"Jamie

I was reading The s*n and the bias is unbelievable. They had stories on the fans. The English were "exuberant" while the Scots were "drunk and rowdy", scenes looked exactly the same.

David Israel
1067 Posted 18/06/2021 at 18:14:26
Ed #1018, "Red Shite" is not only acceptable; it should even be recommended. I also think it is now included in the Oxford English Dictionary.
John Boon
1068 Posted 18/06/2021 at 18:19:09
I have written in previous posts about the idiocy of following ANY Football team. It is a disease which I have had for far too long. I will NOT mention my age because in the past it has hurt the delicate feelings of some Evertonians.

However the latest Pantomime with at least TEN villains has taken "Supporting Everton" to a whole new level of Absurdity. As much as it pains me to be involved in this Farce I just have to put my angst aside and just "LAUGH LAUGH and LAUGH again. There are over a thousand posts and nobody is right about ANYTHING including ME.

John Cleese and his Pythons could not have written a better script. Sorry to all those who are offended by my complete lack of seriousness but this is my only resort to maintain my delicate sanity. I think w should all relax and ask either Parliament or the Queen to give us some guidance. If we were designated as the club to make everybody smile and then laugh uncontrolably then we are keeping the whole World happy. Well Done Everton.

Ray Roche
1069 Posted 18/06/2021 at 18:30:38
'Red Shite'

'a whining 'supporter' of L*verpool FC, normally from Essex. Also known as an A to Z since that is what they need to find their way to A**ield.'

Taken from the Oxford Dictionary.

Or was it the Urban Dictionary.,

Jay Harris
1070 Posted 18/06/2021 at 18:37:33
Im just hoping that Conte is flying under the radar.

That would cause a lot of these no mark journos no end of embarassment.

Pat Kelly
1071 Posted 18/06/2021 at 18:58:24
How old will Rafa be before he's appointed
Brendan McLaughlin
1072 Posted 18/06/2021 at 19:00:19
Pat#1077
Hopefully...106
Pat Kelly
1073 Posted 18/06/2021 at 19:01:57
That looks a safe bet Brendan
Martin Mason
1074 Posted 18/06/2021 at 19:06:48
Kieran@1066
Duncan is already a stakeholder and he wouldn't be doing it for his pension, only for his future and his credibility. How could we be criticised for appointing him too.? I believe he is very popular with the players.
George McKane
1075 Posted 18/06/2021 at 19:13:36
https://twitter.com/CapitalLivNews/status/1405914250632216576?s=08 - here is my bit on Capital today.
Rob Dolby
1076 Posted 18/06/2021 at 19:17:29
1081 Well said George.
Christy Ring
1077 Posted 18/06/2021 at 19:18:32
It looks like next week before a manager is appointed. I still cannot understand why Benitez is even in the running, his CV for the last ten years has been so poor. Regarding the banner, I know it's vile, and it highlighted media attention to Benitez, but if the other banner was on it's own, would anyone have even known about it?
Brian Harrison
1078 Posted 18/06/2021 at 19:22:26
Lets forget what the banners say and forget his small club comment and forget about managing the other lot what have the Romans ever done for us.
Seriously what the hell has he done in the last 10 years to be offered a job at any premier league club let alone Everton. I mean even Palace arent interested and neither are Spurs I wonder why. There was someone saying he lives locally how the hell does that even begin to be part of the equation.

Some reports yes all supposition we know are suggesting that Nuno has been verbally offered the job, but the report suggested he wasnt keen on having Duncan foisted on him. Surely we cant be telling potential new managers they have to have a man we don't consider good enough for the job, as his assistant. Mind Benitez will accept any proposal as long as he gets the job. Then no doubt he would bring in Robbie Fowler or Jamie Carragher as his assistants as well.

Jamie Crowley
1079 Posted 18/06/2021 at 19:27:02
George at 1081 -

Well said. And very cool twitter interview!

Now the personal stuff -

Love the hair. Never, ever cut it. You've got some weird, positive juju going on. You seem an entirely likable human being. Charasmatic.

Nice to meet you via the internet.

Brian Harrison
1080 Posted 18/06/2021 at 19:28:51
Christy 1083

Spot on about the banners, it will be no use putting banners up or having demonstrations after he has signed the contract. Our neighbours seem to be far better at getting their point across than we do. We tend to moan and stamp our feet and a bit of tutting, were they actually make people sit up and listen by the actions they take. Maybe Moshiri thinks this is just a handful of bitter Blues put these banners up and most would be happy with Benitez.

Timothy Sebastian
1081 Posted 18/06/2021 at 19:33:00
Rafa Benitez is a good manager, but will never be the right one for Everton. His red baggage won't be forgotten when things start going wrong on the pitch, as it does with every manager a some stage of the season. Once the crowd is on his back, there's no way back. So please, anyone else, but not Rafa.
George McKane
1082 Posted 18/06/2021 at 19:37:08
Thank you Jamie - niche words - Up The Blues.
Dale Self
1083 Posted 18/06/2021 at 19:37:58
Alright George 1081, you've convinced me on that one. I was willing to let my childish side have some fun with that but the innocent bystander argument is a good one and these are small stakes.
Brian Wilkinson
1084 Posted 18/06/2021 at 19:41:37
The more this lingers on, the more I think Duncan is in with a shout.

If the board is split, then why not give Ferguson a yearly rolling contract, at least then we can see how it pans out and also buys us time, instead of making a wrong Manager choice.

Christine Foster
1085 Posted 18/06/2021 at 19:42:22
For many years now, far too many to be honest, I have been critical of the way the club has been run. With the advent of new ownership I had hoped all that had changed, sadly it hasn't in the least.
Losing Ancelotti to RM was out of left field, but distasteful and demeaning to the club, it's fans and it's players but what has followed since has topped that by a long way.
One can understand that the unpleasant surprise has left the club in shock, but the lack of communication with the fans is every bit as demeaning to fans as in the worst days of Kirkby fiasco. Not a word from the club as speculation is rife, as time drags on, as offensive banners are defacing the ground based purely on speculation that has been allowed to run riot baseless or not. The common denominator for the media blackout is the chairman and his utter lack of faith or respect for the supporters of this great club.
Whilst I fully understand the need for commercial sensitivity, there is a way of doing things that is inclusive or exclusive and time and time again the board of Everton FC choose the latter. As time drags on, any sensitivity is lost, replaced with confusion, more speculation and then anger. Mushrooms not fans. I don't condone the banners but they are a result of poor communication and disregard by the board. The longer it goes on the more embarrassing worldwide it is. All it takes is a simple statement from the club to keep the faith, we deserve better. We are not getting it. I hung my head in shame at the banners, but in anger at the club for letting it get to this.
In the end there will be a new manager, but whoever it is, their job is getting harder by the day as indecision and silence make good bedfellows for derision.
Utter silence from the club on players too, more speculation on James and Allan futures, too be expected certainly, but silence in its response.
From the moment the door slammed in their faces as Ancelotti departed there has been a blanket embargo on anyone talking on social media or press on anything other than BMD.
Silence in the first days is not a bad strategy, silence as time goes on is a total lack of leadership. It's continuation is damaging our battered brand even further. It smacks of Kenwright, of past AGMs of days I thought had gone.
Kim Vivian
1086 Posted 18/06/2021 at 19:48:08
Well put that in your pipe and smoke it!

Great post Christine.

Ian Pilkington
1087 Posted 18/06/2021 at 19:53:17
Christine@1091
A perfect summarisation.
Pat Kelly
1088 Posted 18/06/2021 at 19:53:53
Seriously, do we expect the Club to keep us informed of developments as they interview candidates. And players ' futures and possible signings. It's not a reality TV show.
Paul Hewitt
1089 Posted 18/06/2021 at 20:01:21
Martinez is now a front runner for the Everton job according to sky. Give me Rafa anyday.
Ian Riley
1090 Posted 18/06/2021 at 20:04:56
Getting bored of this! Thought having a billionaire would wash all our troubles away! Think david Moyes is coming home! Rafa news, all alot of nothing! Davey is coming home! Our saviour!
Dale Self
1091 Posted 18/06/2021 at 20:05:50
All going to script there. This may be why the suits are comfortable not saying anything. They already have it worked out and are simply waiting for Roberto's preferred time for disclosure.
Steve Shave
1092 Posted 18/06/2021 at 20:25:40
I had a dream last night that it was Martinez, I felt ok about that. It made me ponder this morning if it is to be him at what stage of this tournament would it be announced? surely it would derail the Belgium side for this to be announced at any point during the Euro's? in which case we will surely lose alot of preparation time for next season, not to mention potential transfer targets.
Brendan McLaughlin
1093 Posted 18/06/2021 at 20:25:40
Paul#1095
Get the sheets off the bed and the slogans painted quick!
Mike Gaynes
1094 Posted 18/06/2021 at 20:31:41
Christine, in the 35 years I've been a Blue this has always been the club's pattern -- they simply don't communicate with the supporters very well -- but in this particular situation I think the silence is appropriate. They should NOT be commenting on any and every rumor that comes out of some paper or website regarding who we are about to name. Nor should they be influenced in that policy by bedsheets.

Sometimes, even a frustrating silence is golden.

Anthony Murphy
1095 Posted 18/06/2021 at 20:44:26
For anyone advocating the return of Martinez, I urge you to read Lyndon’s match report here.

https://www.ToffeeWeb.com/season/15-16/reports/Liverpool(a).php

Conor McCourt
1096 Posted 18/06/2021 at 20:48:15
@1099-Martin Luther Shave
Michael Barrett
1097 Posted 18/06/2021 at 21:00:56
Brian Williams you have nailed it mate, they hang onto every word they read on this site.and then argue with each other about something that will never happen, some off you lot need to get a few hobbies away from Everton ffs.
Mike Gaynes
1098 Posted 18/06/2021 at 21:06:57
Anthony #1102, I don't want him back either, but I think that's a bit unfair. That's five years ago. And Roberto is hardly the only manager who has embarrassed us in a Derby over the past few years. More than a few years.
Soren Moyer
1099 Posted 18/06/2021 at 21:07:24
Martinez make II? Hell no!
Don Alexander
1100 Posted 18/06/2021 at 21:51:16
Comment above refers to Ferguson getting the gig "cos the players like him"/"cos he gets Everton"/etc etc. Wiser folk rightly point out his zero search for a manager's job, at 50 now, ten years after beginning his career with us, and his determination to remain comfy in his house less than a hour from USMFF is in my opinion relevant.

There are times I wonder whether Ferguson knows what truly happened to "the Arteta money" and therefore has the chairman by the balls.

And others say Benitez living in a mansion in Caldy is great news for us. WHY? So he can get on the USMFF merry-go-round where "moderate" is good enough? Please, NO!

In all of this I just wonder whether Brands has now taken time out to realise he too needs not bother to do much to keep coining it in whilst mediocrity presses on above, below and all around him. I wouldn't blame him if he did.

Derek Knox
1101 Posted 18/06/2021 at 21:58:01
Michael @ 1103, a few hobbies away from football for some on here ? Like knitting, crocheting, flower arranging and dressmaking!

I'll get back in my man-shed! :-)

Tony Twist
1102 Posted 18/06/2021 at 22:12:07
Why the hell are they taking so long about it! Christ, it is an absolute joke, why do we have to talk to Rafa numerous times, we know what he brings to the table. What are they worried about, choosing the wrong guy! well a high percentage of their long short list for the next Everton manager are the wrong guy. Due diligence my arse, it is just shambolic. Everton never fail to embarrass the fans with their actions. It's not rocket science, get on with making your choice you clowns. We need the manager in and settled ready to polish the turd that is the Everton first team.
Anthony Jones
1103 Posted 18/06/2021 at 22:21:53
Please take his smug git face down.

The Rafa rant. Fact.

The small club comment.

He was Rafa Beneath Us with much higher salary expenditure.

Please no. Not him. Anyone but him.

Colin Glassar
1104 Posted 18/06/2021 at 22:24:49
Roberto is back in the mix, Anthony. Between the two I know who I’d choose.
Paul Hewitt
1105 Posted 18/06/2021 at 22:43:39
Anyone who prefers Martinez over Rafa deserves everything they get if Martinez is appointed.
Jamie Crowley
1106 Posted 18/06/2021 at 22:55:12
My name is Jamie Crowley.

I'd like to state, for the record, I prefer Roberto over Rafa.

Thank you.

Paul Hewitt
1107 Posted 18/06/2021 at 22:58:54
Jamie. That really doesn't surprise me.
Jamie Crowley
1108 Posted 18/06/2021 at 22:59:09
I honestly think I'll be the only TWer thrilled to see Roberto back.

It's going to be one man up against thousands on these pages.

I'm up for it. Bring it.

Paul Hewitt
1109 Posted 18/06/2021 at 23:11:08
I prefer the Spanish waiter. To the Spanish loser
Brendan McLaughlin
1110 Posted 18/06/2021 at 23:13:00
Seriously Jamie#1114
I can see how someone could make a case for him but "thrilled"...not the worst choice is the best I could offer.
Rob Young
1111 Posted 18/06/2021 at 23:28:23
I'm with you, Jamie.
Wouldn't say thrilled, but I'd be looking forward to the ride.
Peter Brogan
1112 Posted 18/06/2021 at 23:38:49
Roberto or Rafa… feels like a quiz that you would simply avoid.
Colin Glassar
1113 Posted 18/06/2021 at 23:55:13
Just watched the Martinez documentary, Whistle to Whistle, and all I can say is, What a manager!
Dale Self
1114 Posted 19/06/2021 at 00:15:13
Everton can't talk until Roberto wants to announce. If they do talk, what are they going to say? Oh by the way, here's how we stumbled our way to this decision.
Pete Clarke
1115 Posted 18/06/2021 at 00:21:52
I can understand Our dear leader Moshiri taking his time over this. He is an accountant after all so he has to work out who will cost the least in compensation in six months time when it goes tits up again.

Laurie Hartley
1116 Posted 19/06/2021 at 04:24:45
I enjoyed Roberto’s sin miedo period. If you like football watch this:-

A mixture of youth and experience

Mike Gaynes
1117 Posted 19/06/2021 at 06:23:17
George #1081, sometimes I try to imagine what the folks here look like based just on what they write.

You're exactly who I pictured. I swear, I could have picked you out of the entire Park End with a full crowd.

Love it.

Steve Brown
1118 Posted 19/06/2021 at 07:28:22
Colin and Jaime, I think you have erased the 3-2 West Ham home defeat and the 5-2 away defeat to Kiev in the Europa League from your memory. Those defeats represent the muddled thinking that Roberto showed in his last two seasons. Playing Alcaraz instead of Stones in Kiev!

His signings in the first summer were excellent, to the extent that you could almost excuse him bringing such dross from Wigan in Robles, Alcaraz and Kone. But then followed McGeady, Besic, Cleverly, Lennon and Niasse. No, he really lost the plot.

Colin Glassar
1119 Posted 19/06/2021 at 07:28:59
On Whistle to Whistle, Roberto only used the word ‘incredible’ three times and ‘phenomenal’ not once. He’s evolved.
Mark Murphy
1120 Posted 19/06/2021 at 07:34:05
JK #1064
Don’t be surprised if some yet unmentioned guy comes out left field at the last minute

I've just lumped £10 on Worzel Gummage.
Thanks for the tip!

Steve Brown
1121 Posted 19/06/2021 at 07:34:24
Got told off by Mike for saying choosing between Martinez and Benitez was like choosing between two vile dictators. Probably OTT.

So, I would better describe it as having to choose between Matt Hancock and Dominic Cummings.

Jamie Crowley
1122 Posted 19/06/2021 at 07:35:01
Steve -

The signings you speak of were under a different regime. Imagine Roberto with a kitty? He'd probably sign 1 stud, and like 5 up and coming, Marcel Brands Ajax prospect types.

I'm fine with that.

Colin Glassar -

It's 2:34 a.m. here. You obviously just woke for the day. I'm going to bed.

The internet is brilliant. Good night!

Steve Brown
1123 Posted 19/06/2021 at 07:42:17
George @ 1081, Benitez and the Banners like a failed pop group. Haha what a brilliant line!

Really enjoyed your interview and you articulated what all Everton fans are thinking very well.

Danny O’Neill
1124 Posted 19/06/2021 at 07:43:29
Has a club ever started a season with a caretaker manager? Just wondering.

Obviously it won't get to that. Will it??

Colin Glassar
1125 Posted 19/06/2021 at 07:53:58
Steve, I forget nothing. Roberto’s first season was a mixed bag. We started great, played some great stuff but post-Christmas we started to splutter and eventually ran out of steam. Second season the same. Players not fit enough to last 90 mins, defence nonexistent, poor (shite in some cases) recruitment, player discontent showing etc.. Third season it all fell apart and we know what happened.

But I believe in second chances. Martinez admits he wasn’t ready for a club like Everton with the pressure and demands (from the fans, not from the board, apparently) but he’s moved on, evolved and learnt his lessons. Some would say the same about Moyes since his disastrous spell since leaving Everton. He’s now become a coveted (by Bill) manager.

I’m not saying I want Martinez back. I think it would be a huge risk (unless he brings Henry or Vinnie Kompany with him) but between him and Benitez I think I’d go with Roberto.

Danny O’Neill
1126 Posted 19/06/2021 at 08:04:01
I too would be uncomfortable with having Martinez back Colin. I was nervous first time around.

But, that's a really balanced framing of a case for it given the alleged choices available and those potentially interested.

I like the Viera & Kompany suggestion. Another thing is the links to the Belgium squad and very good system of producing good players in recent years.

Also, all have North West links and two inparticular have lived in the area a long time and pretty much have roots.

That's got me thinking about something I hadn't even considered, although I think we're now all becoming guilty of Michael's Daily Star "8 candidates"!!

Barry Rathbone
1127 Posted 19/06/2021 at 08:51:56
Martinez would be mad to return here once the vociferous minority have it in for you you're dead meat at this club, ask Allardyce.
Neil Lawson
1128 Posted 19/06/2021 at 09:07:39
Not a lot else to do on a damp Saturday morning in Devon but to range through Google prayng to find that Benitez has found a job at Club La Costa instead.
Disappointed.
Does anyone know why Lampard was never touted as a suitable candidate? Not suggesting he is the right man ( although we would now all love him if he sneaked in ahead of the miserable man in black) but he has many of the required credentials and he is not Spanish or Portuguese.
Derek Thomas
1129 Posted 19/06/2021 at 09:25:33
Whoever is on the list, Benitez is at the bottom of mine...bottom being the polite word for him.

Edit; Moshiri, Brands...and I don't believe it's Kenwright, he might be, not might, IS, many things, but even he's not that daft - anyway, whoever, wtf are you thinking...if you want average, there are better average candidates. Dame Edna for one

NO

Colin Glassar
1130 Posted 19/06/2021 at 09:37:09
Has anyone on here been contacted about being the next Spurs manager? Daniel Levy has just about called everyone in the London phone book and is now planning on extending his search further north.
I’m up for a new challenge, especially if it includes a rent free pad in Mayfair, a chauffeur driven Lamborghini and unlimited broadband and text messages.
Christy Ring
1131 Posted 19/06/2021 at 09:59:11
I'd favour Martinez over Benitez everytime. You can mention Alcaraz and Mcgeady and Kone, but with the little money he had, he bought Lukaku and McCarthy, Kenwright gave him pittance after that, the reason for free transfers etc.
Phil Bickerstaff
1132 Posted 19/06/2021 at 10:45:02
Reading various articles and seeing media images in various tabloids, if the fat waiter is given the job there will be riots.although we have been treat badly in the years since Moyes, we are proud and passionate fans. Giving a job to a red who will give no passion to our club is a disgrace.
Give Dunc and Cahill the job temporarily. It will be a hell of a lot cheaper and players will have to play or else
Rob Halligan
1133 Posted 19/06/2021 at 11:04:14
Nuno now linked to Spurs job. This managerial merry go round rumbles on.
Thomas Richards
1134 Posted 19/06/2021 at 11:06:44
Give it a few days Rob and hopefully its Benitez to Spurs.
Ian Edwards
1135 Posted 19/06/2021 at 11:16:05
Gulliem Ballbag who is a friend of Benitez has said Benitez will get the job because Usmanov wants him. Seems clear that Moshiri is just a puppet.
Brian Harrison
1136 Posted 19/06/2021 at 11:17:22
Rob

I think the press have got as much idea as the fans as to who is going where, but I would imagine Spurs, Everton and Palace will all have managers in place by this time next week. I think Everton and Spurs are like mirror images who both have to go back a long time since they challenged for the title, a lot longer in Spurs case. I couldnt believe they sacked Pochettino at long last they had a manager who got them to the final of the champions league and they sacked him, very strange. Just like Spurs we are also embarking on building a new stadium, whether that will change our fortunes as many fans believe I just don't see it. Arsenal since moving to their new ground have done nothing, and Spurs are struggling in their new stadium. But as bad as they have been even Daniel Levy wasn't stupid enough to approach Benitez, he or Joe Lewis realized his achievement's have long since dissolved, although I was delighted when Ancelotti signed maybe managers like players have shelf lives, just as Spurs regressed under Mourhino, so surely there is a lesson for our board look at recent history not what a manager did decades ago.

Ian Edwards
1137 Posted 19/06/2021 at 11:19:39
Jamie 1114. I agree with you. I'd have Martinez back in a heartbeat. Two semis and 72 points without a transfer window from Moshiri. With hindisight should never have been sacked. Every Manager since has been shite.
Thomas Richards
1138 Posted 19/06/2021 at 11:30:28
Seems clear that Moshiri is just a puppet."

Fingers crossed,"Seems clear that Moshiri is just a puppet."

Fingers crossed,,,1,11:28:11,,213.205.242.117,ok,23848,06/19/2021 11:28:11,Tomrichards2@outlook.com,reader,,,no 1167587,40933,toffeeweb,19/06/2021,Conor McCourt,mccourt.conor@googlemail.com,"Barry - Sorry mate from me, probably a bit short with you and a little OTT. Just that on ToffeeWeb previously we had the same sort of agenda driven misinformation(clearly you don't have an agenda) regarding Ancelotti's recent record before his arrival and then others in good faith would form opinions on those details.

Brian Harrison
1139 Posted 19/06/2021 at 11:32:17
Ian

It is quite obvious that Usmanov is the real owner, Moshiri was put in control as at the time Usmanov was still hopeful of persuading Kronke to sell Arsenal to him. Usmanov has said that he will always be an Arsenal fan, but seeing the opportunity to own Arsenal has gone he has pumped his money into Everton. I think he sees the building of the new stadium a way of making money which I think is his and Moshiris main reason for getting involved with Everton. When it was rumoured that Ancelotti had a meeting with Usmanov before signing that told you all you needed to know about who really held the power at Everton. Some may ask well why seeing he cant get Arsenal doesnt he buy Everton, simple as a sponsor he can put money into the club far easier with less questions than if he tried to pump the money in as the owner.

Christopher Timmins
1140 Posted 19/06/2021 at 11:36:02
The thought of Rafa coming through the door is causing some to lose the plot and hoping for Martinez to come back. He had almost three full seasons at the club and year 2 was worse than year 1 and year 3 was worse than year 2. Did Sunderland, Sam's Sunderland, not give us a good beating at the back end of the 3rd season? In addition, he had a ready made back four thanks to David Moyes in year 1. When the central defenders started to age he could not fix the problem.

If you don't want Rafa then don't lower your sighs in desperation, you settle for the former Lille manager or the current River Plate manager or indeed you take Nuno.

If you want to choose a former manager please pick one that has actually won something and bring back big Joe with Duncan to take over in 12/24 months.

Dave Abrahams
1141 Posted 19/06/2021 at 12:06:45
Jamie (1112 and 1114), Jamie if I lived near you I’d send for the ‘ hurry up van’ and the men in white coats, but you are absolutely entitled to state your opinion, even in a straight jacket!!

Jamie seriously, we’ll have good drink together when you eventually get over here, I’m buying, and that’s never been heard before!!

Colin Glassar
1142 Posted 19/06/2021 at 12:17:20
No one is disputing that, Christopher. I totally agree but don’t you think he might have learned his lesson? Don’t you believe people can mature and evolve? Do you believe kids at school who are deemed thick (Churchill, Einstein, me) can’t improve in later life?

Roberto has kept Belgium at the top of the world rankings for three consecutive years now. No mean feat when you compare plucky little Belgium to powerhouses like Brazil, Germany, Spain Italy and now, Scotland. He has also overhauled the entire game, from youth to professional level, in Belgium. Overseen the building of their national training centre in Tabize(?). Introduced the most sophisticated tracking system in world football to follow and analyse every player in the country etc..

He’s considered to be a football genius in Belgium, and by many of his peers, and will one day manage Barca and/or the Spanish National team.

Don’t write him off just yet. There’s plenty of Roberto Martinez to come.

Martin Mason
1143 Posted 19/06/2021 at 12:38:06
We are in trouble if as fans we are choosing between Benitez and Martinez. Have we really been that badly treated?
I thought that in the end Martinez was the worst manager I'd ever seen at Everton with a team that couldn't even play Zombie football. What has changed? Being a successful manager of the best International team in the World? Whoever takes over at Everton has a seriously hard job to do. Duncan for me and judge only by results, he has no baggage like TFW and Robbie Brown shoes.
Benitez on the orders of the real owner? We are in desperate trouble if that is so.
Steve Brown
1144 Posted 19/06/2021 at 12:39:33
Christopher @ 1146, to be fair in 2014-15 we finished 11th under Martinez which was the same as 2015-16.

It was fans protests that precipitated his departure.

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/36179980

Paul Swan
1145 Posted 19/06/2021 at 12:53:31
Can’t believe what I’m hearing about people wanting Martinez back. That bastard cost me two good seats in the lower Bullens as I refused to renew my season ticket whilst he was still in charge.
Rob Young
1146 Posted 19/06/2021 at 12:59:49
Would Martinez bring Thierry Henry with him?
Stephen Vincent
1147 Posted 19/06/2021 at 13:32:23
Initially I was almost as opposed to Martinez returning as I am to FSW being appointed. However, if you take a breath and think about it logically, it may not be the worst decision we have made recently.

When he left us in 2016 he was appointed, surprisingly, within a few months as Belgium manager he has led them to number one in the world and to 3rd place at the last world cup. He is now 6 years older and that much more experienced. He is now a recognised international coach and would have more chance of attracting the type of player that we need to start developing some sort of long term plan, something that being manager of Swansea and Wigan precluded him from doing.

He is not adverse to promoting youth and although I believe that he is still committed to the type of possession football that drove us all mad last time round, with the right personnel he might not be the worst choice in the world right now.

I can hear some people saying that a monkey could have achieved what he has achieved with Belgium in view of the quality he has available, but he has still achieved it and there are plenty of international managers who have taken a group of talented individuals and not been able to meld them into a team.

Or am I just thinking anyone is better than Beneathus.

Michael Connelly
1148 Posted 19/06/2021 at 13:51:51
Need to keep in mind that this is a first team coach we are looking for and a couple of assistants, not a 'Manager' per se. Brands is effectively the manager on the footballing side.

Martinez could do a good job on the coaching side, provided Brands has someone else overseeing player fitness and has appointed a defensive specialist. Martinez was clearly not up to it by himself with his own hand picked team.

Overall though, Benitez is the stronger candidate in my view. Benitez has had success with average enough teams in the past, including his recent stint at Newcastle; Winning a championship and 2 mid table finishes in the Premier league has to be deemed a success for a manager of Newcastle. But, aside from that he has 8 or so major trophy wins under his belt.

If I was Moshiri, I couldn't take a risk on Martinez, who could relegate you as soon as qualify for the champions league.

It still has to be NES, or Benitez for me. NES has proven that he can do well with an unfancied side, in winning the championship and 2 seventh place top flight finishes, and has been good at attracting quality players at not extortionate rates. He won't (or shouldn't) be allowed to bring in a massive back room team with him, however.

Soren Moyer
1149 Posted 19/06/2021 at 13:59:53
Its official: Fat Alisher wants Fat SW as Everton boss!
Scott Robinson
1150 Posted 19/06/2021 at 14:07:13
Martinez has been the only manager post-Moyes to actually really care about Everton. Silva tried, but Martinez got it.

It was a sad day when Bobby got fired. He did actually try and cared for EFC.

Elite sport is a mental game and he must have a tough skin as well as the ability to get the best out of his players, so do I think he is a good manager. Yes.

Would he come back? Stranger things have happened - Ancelotti went back to Madrid after being fired by the same president who has rehired him. But I doubt it.

Stephen Vincent
1151 Posted 19/06/2021 at 14:19:31
Michael #1154, So you want a manager who can get us out of the championship, how very forward thinking of you.
Ray Robinson
1152 Posted 19/06/2021 at 14:32:01
I find the revisionism around Martinez simply astounding. The second and third seasons under him were simply awful and chaotic!
Stephen Vincent
1153 Posted 19/06/2021 at 14:41:45
https://www.ft.com/content/a472f9e6-28c6-11ea-9305-4234e74b0ef3

You have to read about two thirds of the way down to get to the bit where Usmanov talks about us. But all interesting none the less.

Christy Ring
1154 Posted 19/06/2021 at 14:42:17
Martinez has a lot more experience now as manager of Belgium, young and fresh. Benitez was in China for the last couple of years to make huge money for his pension, so he should be let retire in peace. You talk about how poor defensively we finished under Roberto, as I said earlier Kenwright gave him little money, that's why he had to sign Alcaraz on and free.
Jerome Shields
1155 Posted 19/06/2021 at 14:54:54
Martinez would be ok if he could bring 3/4 of the Belgium team with him. Not the defence of course, they look as if they were coached by him.
Jerome Shields
1156 Posted 19/06/2021 at 14:54:56
Danny O’Neill
1157 Posted 19/06/2021 at 15:00:54
Although 18 months old, that is an interesting read Stephen.

Seems to like his lunch time Vodka. Maybe that's where I've gone wrong. He's worth (or was then) $16.5 billion. I'm not.

Drink more Vodka.

Colin Glassar
1158 Posted 19/06/2021 at 15:05:34
Christy, Martinez has never talked down to us like ginge the minge - “you can’t deny players the chance to play at a bigger club” or the Benitez “small club” dig.

Love him or hate him, Roberto always respected us unlike Ronald, Sam and Ancellotti.

Stuart Sharp
1159 Posted 19/06/2021 at 15:08:10
Surely to God nobody can claim that signing Alcatraz was Kenwright's fault? Signing him was one thing. Selecting him was unforgivable. But then Martinez brought with him quite a few of those players he led to relegation the year before. He was a completely maddening manager. Very hard to know how much he's improved because international football is so different, but I think it would be a huge gamble to bring him back.
Kieran Kinsella
1160 Posted 19/06/2021 at 15:11:18
Colin

Julius Caesar loved Rome but he still had to get knifed

Stephen Vincent
1161 Posted 19/06/2021 at 15:13:30
Stuart,
Roberto had a dream, to build a football team,
But he had no money so he took the players on loan.
Etc.
Jamie Crowley
1162 Posted 19/06/2021 at 15:33:38
Dave @ 1147 -

My trip over will not occur without an Abrahams FAMILY round of drinks.

Have to meet the boy Tony, too!

Cheers.

Sin miedo.

Colin Glassar
1163 Posted 19/06/2021 at 16:22:32
Kieran, Julius Caesar sacrificed himself for the glory of Rome.
Gary Ashworth
1164 Posted 19/06/2021 at 16:39:12
I don't have a problem with Benitez and I couldn't care less about his history with Liverpool. I'd take Coutinho and a number of the current Liverpool squad. Why not, if it improved our squad and improved our chances of success?

I get the rivalry and the intensity of derby games, but if Sane came out and said he wants to move to Everton, I'd pay for his taxi.

I've said before now, Everton can be guilty of being too sentimental and need to change their mindset. The fact a former Liverpool manager is being considered tells me they are thinking with their heads, not their hearts.

Jeff Armstrong
1165 Posted 19/06/2021 at 16:39:44
I've just been reading the FSW is Usmanov’s choice, if that’s true then it’s... welcome Rafa, what took you so long? 😜
Brian Wilkinson
1166 Posted 19/06/2021 at 16:39:54
I do not want Martinez, but I fully agree with Colin, whatever happened at Everton Martinez never ever singled a player out, I have never heard anything but good things about Everton from him.

Few of the other Managers since were quick to take the praise when we won, but then put the blame on the players, when we lost, instead of blaming the selection and system they chose.

Although he had his positive phenomenal, he shielded the players from blame and in the end his lack of defensive duties and set play, cost him dearly.

But At least he tried and went away still proud of our football club.

Has anyone else heard Martinez, pull our football club down, I give the guy the upmost respect, just a pity he did not have the funds and a little out of his depth, at the time.

Barry Hesketh
1167 Posted 19/06/2021 at 16:49:55
Benitez himself may help to take the decision out of Everton's hands, as speculation from 'football insiders' has arisen that Benitez's advisors have asked him to avoid the Goodison vacancy and wait for the Newcastle United job to become available as their potential new Saudi owners are keen on the Spaniard and the Geordie fans seem to like Benitez.
David Pearl
1168 Posted 19/06/2021 at 16:52:33
Jeff, surely this is our year! We long-suffering fans can't handle much more.

I've heard those rumours too but you can't believe anything these days. Jim Whyte has been used to sound out the fans a couple times now but l just hope Brands can carry on his recruitment as he had his transfer meeting with Ancelotti the week before he left.

Thankfully we have the Euros as a distraction :)

Jeff Armstrong
1169 Posted 19/06/2021 at 16:59:38
David, I would hope any meetings between Brands and our former manager would now be considered obsolete, a DOF must surely consult with the current 1st team coach and agree strategy, team formations, and targets before a DOF goes out and signs players in the hope that the new incumbent would use/ want those players. Anything else would be amateurish ........ahhh it’s EFC!
Terence Connell
1170 Posted 19/06/2021 at 17:01:25
Usmanov’s comments about what Rafa did in China are interesting.
Ed Fitzgerald
1171 Posted 19/06/2021 at 17:03:09
Barry

You haven’t mentioned that his advisors (and presumably) Benitez himself have been surprised by the strength of many Blues objections to him being named Everton manager. He really loves the Geordies so it’s a good fit for him although he did reject a 6 million pound yearly contract from them a few years ago to piss off to China for double the money. It’s been reported he wants the same deal here a million a month.

David Pearl
1172 Posted 19/06/2021 at 17:09:39
Jeff, l get your point of course. But l want just Brands to choose who to buy so that whatever manager comes and goes have a balanced squad put together by the one mind (is consultation perhaps). Otherwise if the next manager last less than a season we are not giving players away for free again.
Mike Gaynes
1173 Posted 19/06/2021 at 17:12:08
Jamie, I want video of the moment you and Tony meet.

Poor Dave won't get a word in edgewise.

Dave Abrahams
1174 Posted 19/06/2021 at 17:22:56
Jamie (1168) A bit much that Jamie, three bleedin’ pints, okay I’ll force myself, I’ll start saving up now, Mike Gaynes is right though, you can ‘ rabbit’ and our Tony never stops, but my hearings on the blink so I’ll just nod and smile in the right places.

Sin mideo : I hope they are not swear words.

Mike Brownlow
1175 Posted 19/06/2021 at 19:39:24
My feeling is that they have a list of candidates and they are working their way through... Each week, as they interview a candidate, they release a bit of info to gauge supporter thoughts... seen this before.

Sky and Co will obviously keep pushing any possible new candidate to drive their betting agenda. But I'm keeping my fingers crossed they pull someone out the bag like they did last time.

I also don't think any big name is a long-term good move as they will just move on so Conte and Co will leave after a year... not that I fancy Nuno or equivalent but at least they may stay a bit.

The Lille manager, whose name escapes me while typing, would be a halfway house as he's done a good job of pulling them from near bottom to top in 5 years with PSG who are one of the best in the world in the league... but not big enough to leave in 2 mins.

My only thought is that, if he was as good as he looks, the board would have hired him already... or they're so inept, which is also quite probable.

Christy Ring
1176 Posted 19/06/2021 at 19:56:13
I'm not a fan of Benitez, and his dig at us isn't the reason, at the time it was probably frustration. What I find hard to understand, his managerial career has gone backways since he was sacked by Liverpool. His reign at Inter was short-lived, and even the Georides couldn't take to his lovely humour! So why is he favourite?

Big Nev and Ball want Big Dunc, and they know a lot more than me. I'm a huge fan of Dunc, had a drink with him years ago in the Players Lounge. Apart from his inexperience, could he attract the top players to Goodison?

Mike Brownlow
1177 Posted 19/06/2021 at 20:14:42
I might understand appointing Benitez if he had been outstanding. I could almost forget he managed Liverpool if he was but quite frankly he's been average at best. I bet Man Utd would take Pep as he's excellent but would they take him if he was pants for 15 years? I wouldn't think so...
Terence Connell
1178 Posted 19/06/2021 at 22:11:17
My understanding is that Duncan hasn’t applied for the job. Didn’t he say he want ready for it ?
Laurie Hartley
1179 Posted 20/06/2021 at 03:31:20
Sitting here middday in Eastern Australia fretting about our managerial situation.

I have been checking out this Argentinian lad Gallardo. I wonder if our illustrious owners could lure him away from his beloved River Plate to Make Everton Great Again (MEGA).

We all have two things in common - we love Everton and we love Football. I live in the hope of seeing us play like this again. Have a look - it will cheer you up.

Gallardo’s River Plate

Alan J Thompson
1180 Posted 20/06/2021 at 07:01:40
Christine(#1091); A nicely put together posting, Christine, but it does have one major flaw; How do you know that the sheets weren't hung from inside the gates? Has all the hallmarks of the Kremlin on it.
Danny O’Neill
1181 Posted 20/06/2021 at 07:54:53
They could communicate all they want. Weekly updates etc. But they wouldn't reveal their hand, just inform us they continue to seek a manager, which we know they're doing.

The communication wouldn't reveal who they're talking to, so it wouldn't give us anything more than what we know now.

The club continue to seek a new manager and talk to prospective candidates. That's about as much as they would reveal and we know that.

Colin Glassar
1182 Posted 20/06/2021 at 08:06:15
Christy 1182, I’ve known Alan Stubbs since he was a kid. Lovely lad, blue blood in his veins, always gets the first and last round in, loves chips etc… Does that make him fit the bill? He’s got more managerial experience than Big Dunc and he’s a scouser to boot.
Danny O’Neill
1183 Posted 20/06/2021 at 08:25:37
Loved Alan Stubbs Colin.

I always regret we didn't sign him earlier in his career. We should (or I think we should) have signed him from Bolton.

In a better team, he could have gone on to greater things in my opinion. And, whilst not Koeman, what an arrow of a shot he had on him for a defender.

Neil Cremin
1184 Posted 20/06/2021 at 08:31:23
Reading that Benitez is getting cold feet due to Everton “fan” reaction. Spurs are taking to Nuno. Who does that leave as the realistic choice of TWebbers.
Martinez, Won’t meet the fundamental requirement to bring discipline and organisation back. Not his strong point and Never go back.
So now we are realistically left with Howe, Dyches, maybe Potter or Duncan.
Take your pick TWebbers or dream on for Big name like Carlo with the same result. I have already nailed my colours to the mast
Tony Abrahams
1185 Posted 20/06/2021 at 09:19:33
I’ve started asking Dave, who invented the light bulb Jamie, and although he hasn’t got a clue, he keeps getting the question right, so by the time you get over here the only way you will be able to communicate with him is if you can learn a bit of sign language, starting with “get the ale in Dave” because he’s not joking about being a door-hinge yer know!
Michael Connelly
1186 Posted 20/06/2021 at 09:20:28
The simple, narrow minds of the football fan may well rule out the possible best candidate for the job. All the vitriol over one comment made in the aftermath of a derby is beyond me.

He'll probably end up back at Newcastle and make them a better team than us.

Joe McMahon
1187 Posted 20/06/2021 at 09:27:55
Michael@1192, fully agree. Personally I've never understood the overreaction to the small club comment, the empty trophy cabinet backs it up. As for certain words on the Benitez Banners, that is not a good advert for Everton supporters.
Rob Young
1188 Posted 20/06/2021 at 09:33:36
Michael, he was at Newcastle before and achieved nothing.
Steve Bruce made them a better team and they're still shit.
Mike Gwyer
1189 Posted 20/06/2021 at 09:49:32

Joe, Michael.

Over the 6 years that Benitez managed Liverpool, I think you will find that there are numerous comments concerning Everton FC from Benitez. His remark about Everton being a small club is probably one of his better comments about our club.

Secondly, if you feel that the Benitez banners did not reflect what you feel or want to see, why don't you grab a bed sheet and have your say. There's plenty room for another bed sheet.

Jerome Shields
1190 Posted 20/06/2021 at 09:51:17
Everton needs a shake up and Moshiri inadvertently may be right in selected Benitez whose main qualification, as far as he is concerned, is that he is a outsider.

It will take a outsider to question the current cosy setup at Everton where positions are determined by so called loyalty to the Club, when in fact the loyalty is conditional on keeping cosy positions in the Club.

Brands is now in one of these positions, but what he does realise is that he is a Director in name only, like a office Secretary in some tax haven, who is made a Director of a off shore company three to four times a day.

Maybe this is not the right way to run Everton. But Moshiri and Usmanov obviously have their reasons. They probably know alot about man management and could be right regarding Benitez, who has proven football qualification earned the hard way not always in the Top Six like Anchelotti. He has been relegated stayed with the Club and brought them back up. There a few Managers in the Premiership who would have the guts for that. Certainly none of the Top flight Managers.

Jerome Shields
1191 Posted 20/06/2021 at 09:51:18
Everton needs a shake up and Moshiri inadvertently may be right in selected Benitez whose main qualification, as far as he is concerned, is that he is a outsider.

It will take a outsider to question the current cosy setup at Everton where positions are determined by so called loyalty to the Club, when in fact the loyalty is conditional on keeping cosy positions in the Club.

Brands is now in one of these positions, but what he does realise is that he is a Director in name only, like a office Secretary in some tax haven, who is made a Director of a off shore company three to four times a day.

Maybe this is not the right way to run Everton. But Moshiri and Usmanov obviously have their reasons. They probably know alot about man management and could be right regarding Benitez, who has proven football qualification earned the hard way not always in the Top Six like Anchelotti. He has been relegated stayed with the Club and brought them back up. There a few Managers in the Premiership who would have the guts for that. Certainly none of the Top flight Managers.

Neil Cremin
1192 Posted 20/06/2021 at 10:05:18
Rob
May I remind you that they beat us twice this year.

Looks like at this stage we will be begging for somebody to manage us as we are looking like a poison chalice with each passing day.

Kevin Prytherch
1193 Posted 20/06/2021 at 10:16:55
It will take an outsider to question the current cost setup?

Because Martinez, Koeman, Allardyce, Silva and Ancelotti were all “insiders”?

Winston Williamson
1194 Posted 20/06/2021 at 10:25:59
Still think the correlation to good management is good players. Seems obvious really doesn’t it?

You sign shite, you’re going to play shite.

Moyes bought mostly above average players with a point to prove - we mostly finished slightly higher than expected (above average? Best of the rest?)

Martinez signed a monster striker and we narrowly missed out on CL. Defence starts to decline and he signed shite replacements. The team in turn turned shite.

Koeman? Signed a load of similar players. Unbalanced. Overpaid (in every way). Shite.

Silva benefitted from one good player signed by Koeman, as Gana really stepped up and played like a champion after Christmas. He was sold and replaced by an unfortunate series of injuries (Gbamin).

My fingers can’t bring themselves to type the name of that 6mil a year muppet. He signed two shite players and we continued to play shite.

Ancelotti signed some ok players. He got some ok results. We played slowly as most of our players are slow (physically and mentally).

My point is (long winded), we need better players! Regardless of manager! Our club needs to get player recruitment fully under control, with a clear strategy!!

Michael Connelly
1195 Posted 20/06/2021 at 10:26:28
Rob, he won the championship with them, followed up by 2 mid-table finishes in the Premier League on much less resources than ourselves.

Granted, he is a spiky character, but maybe that's a positive when he's in your own corner.

If only we could be a bit less sensitive and a bit less insecure in ourselves.

Paul Corbett
1196 Posted 20/06/2021 at 10:27:52
The way I see it is that the board are taking their time in the hope of making the right decision after several bad choices. The problem is I think the names being mentioned all have inherit risks so whichever appointment is made is going to disappoint some sections of fans.

Initially I thought NES was a good choice because of his good few years with Wolves (prior to last season where the loss of players were a major issue.) I still think he’s a safe choice.

I don’t think Galtier would come as he’s comfortable and in France. Conte is another Ancelotti and will be off when a bigger club come calling.

We need to accept that we are what we are. A mid-table club with an ambitious fan base. In which case I can only see two other options: Benitez or Martinez.

Benitez is another Moyes, someone to bring stability with the outside chance of reaching Europe. Martinez would bring exciting football with a prospective of us finishing 5/6th or bottom half.

So as we enter a third week of speculation I would take a gamble on Martinez, if only to see Everton having a go, whether it results in the dream of Europe of falling into the bottom 10, at least it’ll be a fun ride

Brian Harrison
1197 Posted 20/06/2021 at 10:38:19
Benitez will be named our new manager early next week, he and Usmanov and Moshiri have been on a boat off the coast of Sardinia for the past couple of days finalising his contract. But we shouldn't be surprised lets not forget this pair installed Allardyce much to the annoyance of the majority of Evertonians. They are here simply to make money from this project which will culminate when the new stadium is built and they sell the club. I guess many will say well there are very few owners who care what the fans think, you only have to look at the Glaziers at Man Utd and Ashley at Newcastle or Kronke at Arsenal. No wonder some of these owners wanted an even bigger slice of the cake looking to start the ESL and lets not be in any doubt Usmanov/Moshiri would have signed up if asked.

I know quite a few Evertonians will adopt the mind set well if he is our manager then we will get behind him, and some maybe in the minority like me cant understand how with his record over the last 10 years is even a candidate. The thought of having to look at him in the dug out each week at this moment is the most unappealing thought.

Chris Mason
1198 Posted 20/06/2021 at 10:39:48
The club needs a shake up, but is Benitez the man to do that? I’m not sure.

Whichever side of the bed sheet you’re on, his job will be made nigh impossible by the negativity and booing at home games.

Alternatively someone left-field, like Gallardo represents a hot and hope choice. Can we risk him failing miserably? Reach for the stars etc?

I think we would be better with a manager with premiership experience, but someone with the energy and licence to run through the club and shape it with Brands. Not that I know anything of course.

Carl Davies
1199 Posted 20/06/2021 at 10:42:24
Winston Williamston @1200 absolutely spot on in youre assesment since Moyes. Recruitment has been poor since Moyes and thats what needs to massively improve or we will still under perform no matter what manager sits in the dug out.

We need to pay top dollar for a top Striker like Lukaku who can make a average team look good and turn draws into wins and that would be a great starting point. Easier said than done though unfortunately.

Paul Birmingham
1200 Posted 20/06/2021 at 10:42:38
Good perspective Paul, @1202.

I said on some previous TW threads, it’s, the reality check of where Everton are.

It’s tough times and being honest I’m hoping for good times but at the moment it’s disillusioning watching and waiting, for donkies years for stability and success on the Park.

Money doesn’t guarantee success and let’s hope the clubs being diligent and taking the extra time to bring in a good fit for Everton.

But is there such good fit out there, it remains to be seen.

Enjoying the Euros and here’s to hope and better days.

The Italian job has hopefully galvanised the board to work harder to try and get Everton on an even keel.

Oliver Molloy
1201 Posted 20/06/2021 at 10:46:05
Don't believe for one minute that Benitez will get the job. The "small club" comment was exactly what you would expect from a Liverpool manager, but his football is boring and he's after the last big pay day - surely Moshiri won't be mugged again!

The next manager needs to be somebody who really gets the club and us long suffering supporters.

Ancelotti leaving has really set us back and the word is ALL at Everton are still shocked and Moshiri in particular is very angry.

Apparently we don't get any compensation from Real Madrid and now we hear that Rodriquez can also leave because of a clause in his contract. Who is drawing up the contracts at Everton ?

Any Evertonian I have spoken with these last few weeks reckon they don't give a fuck who the next manager will be such is the state of our club, they do of course but the mood is very very low.!

Martinez gets the club, I'm sure he will attract players and for me I would welcome him back, would he be interested ?

Ferguson is an Evertonian and is desperate for his chance, maybe a one year contract, I'd be worried though!


Clive Rogers
1202 Posted 20/06/2021 at 10:47:37
I am coming round to the view that we should bite the bullet and appoint Ferguson and Baines. I don’t relate to any of the other candidates.
Conor McCourt
1203 Posted 20/06/2021 at 10:49:44
Michael you portray a lovely picture of Benitez time at Newcastle.

What you fail to show is that;

Firstly he got them relegated when one point off safety and ten games to go only because the wally with the brolly was having such a mare with players like Wiljaldum in that side. Allardyce would have kept them up.

Then they ran away with the championship with a premier league squad.

He finished tenth then thirteenth (45 points,44 points) which is identical to the points total Steve Bruce has finished with in the last two seasons.


Brian he's drifting like a barge on betfair to 3-1

Tony Abrahams
1204 Posted 20/06/2021 at 11:05:50
Oliver@1207, I’m not saying you’re wrong about the next manager having to really understand the fans, (I’d say Kenwright understanding the fans, has enabled him to keep hold of his position for way to long) but my own view of life, is that you usually understand your enemy, more than you understand most things, and if that small club shout, wasn’t aimed at getting back at the Evertonians, who used to absolutely slaughter the fat Spanish waiter, (he was a horrible fucker, wasn’t he?) whilst also gaining a lot of plaudits from the Liverpool supporters, (think of Moyes and the peoples club) then I’d be very, very surprised.
Rob Halligan
1205 Posted 20/06/2021 at 11:12:46
Neil # 1198, may I remind you that the season just ended we beat Arsenal twice, we took four points off Spurs, Liverpool and leicester. The point of this, I've no bloody idea, the same way as I don't understand your post, regarding the fact that Newcastle best us twice last season, a season when Steve Bruce was their manager, not Benitez. Unless, of course, you're implying that Steve Bruce is a better manager than Ancelotti, and Newcastle are a better team than us!!

Ah, now I understand the point of my post, Ancelotti is a better manager than Arteta, and three quarters better than Klopp, Mourinho and Rodgers, and we must be a better team than all four of them. Jeez, there is some shit posted on here.

Neil Cremin
1206 Posted 20/06/2021 at 11:19:10
WInston #1200. Agree totally with you analysis, but a managers job is to get the best out of his players. Nobody has done that in recent years.
Paul ~1202. Agree with you with the exception that Martinez for me is not the answer to our problems.
What we need is a disciplinarian to organise the players which we have into a tightly organised, well drilled and fit side. Martinez proved in his time with us that this is not his strength.

Finally looking through the threads, one person throughout this thread who does not come in for criticism is Brands. Where is his inspiring recruitment policy, Rodriguez contract etc. Need to examine what he brings to the table of our dysfunctional club.

Paul A Smith
1207 Posted 20/06/2021 at 11:24:24
The banners are a result of stupidity from the clubs actions. Benitez shouldn't even be mentioned. Some fans act like hes the last manager on earth available.

Nobody with legendary status at the devils club should ever be mentioned. I wouldn't make a banner for any reason but one thing we all know is - everyone has different behaviours and reactions to any kind of news or result.

This action has pissed a lot of people off because core values matter.

I'd be searching for the best coach in football to work with Duncan Ferguson. Sort the recruitment problem and there is no reason why Duncan can't do a good job.

And he is one man the group of players will be less inclined to turn on.


Danny O’Neill
1208 Posted 20/06/2021 at 12:05:12
Oliver, just as much as we don't really know what the board are up to and how much substance is behind the links to the various alleged candidates, do we really know that Duncan is desperate for his chance? I've not seen anything to suggest that is the case.

To date, he has previously declared he didn't want it and to me, still seems pretty comfortable in his comfort zone, literally sitting in the background. Personally I think that one comes back to bite us big time, not that we can really ever predict these things.

Being an Evertonian, born one or converted, is not a determining criteria for the selection of Everton manager for me. In fact, in 2021, it's a dangerous and regressive path to go down.

Laurie Hartley
1209 Posted 20/06/2021 at 12:42:53
Tony # 1210 - very eloquently put.
Neil Lawson
1210 Posted 20/06/2021 at 12:57:10
Father's Day today.
Just 3 wishes. A hug from my kids, to watch Wales v Italy in peace and without interruption and for the announcement ( or real hope) of a proper manager. If I want a Spanish waiter my kids can take me to a tapas restaurant. More and more I think, like many on here, give it to Duncan. It is a risk but no more so than most of the others touted, albeit for different reasons.
Now that would be a Father's Day to truly remember.
Rob Young
1211 Posted 20/06/2021 at 13:00:55
Neil #1198.
Yes, they did and still didn't finish above us though did they?
Oliver Molloy
1212 Posted 20/06/2021 at 13:11:47
Danny, I know for a fact that Ferguson certainly told one player he wants to be Everton manager just before Ancelotti arrived.

I agree with your "cushy" comment and in my opinion he should go take a job and see how he does elsewhere, but who knows, what I do know is we are a mess and the longer we are without a manager the bigger the mess is going to get.

Danny O’Neill
1213 Posted 20/06/2021 at 13:17:06
That makes sense Oliver. I'm sure Duncan would love to be Everton manager at some point. And don't get me wrong, I'm not against it when the time is right.

I too, like you, would like to see him tested somewhere else rather than us being the tasing ground to see whether he's got it or not.

It is frustrating. I / we can only hope the delay is because they are giving this one serious consideration.

Hope word again. I wish I could say that with confidence and optimism.

Jerome Shields
1214 Posted 20/06/2021 at 13:39:11
Fact: Duncan Fergusion will never be Manager of Everton, other than the odd caretaker role. Why? He doesn't want the job, because he knows he will be out on his ass by the end of his first season. Too comfortable in his current position.


Dave Abrahams
1215 Posted 20/06/2021 at 13:42:35
There a few fans saying that the Everton owners are only concerned with getting the new ground built and staying in the Premier League so they can then sell the club and make a good profit.

Well, that could be true, but when they are selling the club, the team and squad will have to be of a good quality in order to make that good profit. If the club is in the state it is now, I can't see many buyers lining up to buy it.

Dave Abrahams
1216 Posted 20/06/2021 at 13:50:00
Jerome (#1220),

You seem to know a bit of the background that happens at the club... would you know the salary Duncan is on at Everton? That would go a long way in telling how high he is rated at the club. The higher the salary, the more important the role, I would imagine. I would guess £5,000 per week but I haven't got a clue and I wouldn't expect you to know, to be honest.

Neil Cremin
1217 Posted 20/06/2021 at 13:57:55
Rob #1211
My post was a response to Rob# 1194 comment
“Michael, he was at Newcastle before and achieved nothing.
Steve Bruce made them a better team and they're still shit.”

Rob #1217
If that is our benchmark, we really are a poison chalice.
At this stage any experience manager who is willing to take on the job is putting
his reputation on the line.

David Pearl
1218 Posted 20/06/2021 at 14:06:20
Jerome, you cannot be serious.

Duncan would jump at the chance to be our next manager.

Its all about Brands. He should be in charge of both hiring the manager and signing and shifting and moulding of the squad. Nobody else. Obviously Everton are not run that way. Why is the crux.

If he gets the recruitment right then the next man in will have a much easier job. I would prefer a coach over a manager. Someone to inspire and is tactically aware.

I wouldnt mind Duncan at all... as long as he gets the background staff right. Duncan had a lot of advice for Carlo on the sidelines but that was ignored. Perhaps he deserves that chance.

So. Carry on with your job Brands. Please. So that we continue to move forwards. We all await the coming week...

Neil Lawson
1219 Posted 20/06/2021 at 14:06:54
Jerome,

Fact: You do not know that your claim is a fact. It is your belief.

Not sure these days if some managers really care what happens. If you sign a 3- or 4-year contract at some ridiculous salary, then, are you truly bothered if 12 or 18 months Iater, you are given the boot and paid up until the end?

Maybe therein lies much of the problem. Not a fact, merely my thoughts.

Ian Horan
1220 Posted 20/06/2021 at 14:09:05
Jerome Shields,

I don't believe you can state that Duncan Ferguson will never be our manager as fact. I say it is highly unlikely because any failure would end Ferguson's paid employment at the club.

We are all playing fantasy manager at the moment, I would probably lean towards a left-field name not mentioned, if it is underwhelming and Ferguson is assistant, to me that would highlight how parochial and amateurish we are as a club.

I could accept Mancini as he cares little about players reputations...

Brendan McLaughlin
1221 Posted 20/06/2021 at 14:15:20
Have to agree, David #1224.

If offered the job, Duncan would take it in a heartbeat. People read too much into his previous comments that he didn't feel he was ready. Those comments need to put into context given that they were made around the time of Carlo's imminent appointment.

Just my opinion mind, I'm not in the same position as Jerome (#1220) to speak factually on the matter.

Peter Mills
1222 Posted 20/06/2021 at 14:22:19
Neil #1216.

Ah, the Father's Day weekend was going so well. Took some of the family to a theme park yesterday. Others are coming round this afternoon for a few beers and to watch the Wales match. To round things off, the grandsons asked if they could have a sleepover – “Brilliant, we'll get the beds ready”.

How one simple question can change the mood. “Pete, have you seen the spare sheets anywhere?”

Barry Hesketh
1223 Posted 20/06/2021 at 14:36:45
A name I haven't seen linked with the manager's vacancy is Steve Clarke. I know he isn't everybody's cup of tea, but we could do far worse than team him up with Big Dunc...

Oh, hang on – he's a former Liverpool assistant – whoops!

Thomas Richards
1224 Posted 20/06/2021 at 14:42:00
1200 plus posts tells you everything you need to know about the concern on Benitez getting the job.
Jerome Shields
1225 Posted 20/06/2021 at 14:46:39
The reason I say it is fact is to bring some reality to the situation. It really is a waste of time considering someone who says he is not ready, when he is in the job on a temporary basis.

His priority is a secure job, which to all intent and purposes he is in already. If he was interested in managing a team, he would be learning his trade at other clubs as Moyes said Unsworth should. But neither of them will.

When is Duncan ever going to be ready? Would he go to Real Madrid with Ancelotti? Never. Lots of people are content where they are, Duncan is one of them. Good Luck to him.

Bill Gall
1226 Posted 20/06/2021 at 14:52:43
Does anyone believe there is a power struggle at Everton, not between the likely culprits Moshiri and Kenwright but between Moshiri and Usmanov? It is believed that the new stadium will be supplied by materials from companies that Usmanov owns, plus the naming writes.

I believe Moshiri and Kenwright understand the feelings of the supporters over the hiring of Benitez and are reluctant to go through with it... but, if rumors are correct that Usmanov wants him in, I don't believe he cares about people's feelings where money is involved and that may be the stumbling block. You either loose financial backing or you bring in a very controversial manager.

Brendan McLaughlin
1227 Posted 20/06/2021 at 14:56:03
"The reason I say it is fact is to bring some reality to the situation."

Seriously Jerome...you're bringing reality to the situation by simply making stuff up? You ignore the context in which Duncan made those remarks (almost two years ago now), you have absolutely no knowledge of his current thought process and your assertion that he just wants to remain in secure employment is baseless speculation.

Rob Halligan
1228 Posted 20/06/2021 at 15:06:48
Neil # 1223.

Yes, I know your post was in reply to Rob Young #1194. I just don't see the point, or relevance of your post, "The fact that Newcastle beat us twice last season"?

What exactly does that prove, or mean (other than the fact they beat us twice), as you didn't back up your post with any reasonable explanation?

David Pearl
1229 Posted 20/06/2021 at 15:07:39
Hmm... Everton and the corridor of uncertainty.

It wasn't so long ago that Duncan declared bankruptcy shortly after his testimonial. If he tried and failed, l'm pretty sure he would get other offers. I mean... just look at Marco Silva. Probably soon to be the next Brazil manager.

Paul A Smith
1230 Posted 20/06/2021 at 15:24:09
Winston 1200 bang on mate. I am smiling at the fact I have seen a post that simplifies ridiculous analysis.

Recruitment and sales cost Silva and Koeman their so-called projects.

I still go back to Lukaku being allowed to go from a 7th placed club to the 6th place club and how anyone expected improvement from there on.

To add to your point, look at what Leicester done. Won the league and sold their midfield to Chelsea. Now it's a fight for 4th for them.

Then they sold Mahrez to Man City and Vardy was a breath away from an Arsenal move.

Players like certain moves of course but fans and clubs should matter. Never sell to close competition, unless you know your place? That's a sad thought.

Only the most deluded, ignorant or stubborn person would not see that hinders progress.

I agree with anyone who says Silva lost the plot but I will never forget his frustration in his press conference before Palace first game of the season.

He was miserable because his improving team had been hindered with awful recruitment. There goes a small percentage of a manager's committment.

Rob Young
1231 Posted 20/06/2021 at 15:28:13
Neil #1223,

Not my benchmark at all, the comparison with Newcastle United came from you.

Brian Williams
1232 Posted 20/06/2021 at 15:37:55
Brian#1203
Benitez will be named our new manager early next week, he and Usmanov and Moshiri have been on a boat off the coast of Sardinia for the past couple of days........

He has indeed been on Usmanov's boat mate........

Waiting tables!

Paul Hewitt
1233 Posted 20/06/2021 at 16:06:47
If Usmanov is the one who wants Benitez, then Benitez it will be. He is the real power at the club. It's probably Usmanov financing the stadium. We better not upset him. He may take his money elsewhere.
Ed Prytherch
1234 Posted 20/06/2021 at 16:12:33
Duncan has been able to learn from multiple managers without leaving Everton. I don't see why he has to go to a different club to become better prepared to become our head coach. And if it doesn't work out he may be able to step back down to assistant coach as Colin Harvey did.
Tony Abrahams
1235 Posted 20/06/2021 at 16:19:17
That boat cost nearly as much as the new stadium is projected to cost Brian, so I’d still say Everton, will end up the better investment Paul, but only if/when he finds us the right manager to take us forwards.
Colin Glassar
1236 Posted 20/06/2021 at 16:35:25
Paul in other words, Usmanov is the organ grinder and Moshiri and Bill are the dancing monkeys?
Michael Barrett
1237 Posted 20/06/2021 at 16:37:07
Unless the new manager brings in at least half a dozen top class players we will be fucked, because incase you all foregot that's what it's all about, shit players shit team the game easy, we will do fuckhall with the shite we buy, you can bring in pep Tommy tucal conti, and and with the level of players we allways buy we will finish mid table if we are lucky.
Neil Cremin
1238 Posted 20/06/2021 at 16:43:16
To both Robs
I didn’t bring up Benitez and that Newcastle are better under Bruce and are still shite. My point is I didnt see the relevance to Benitez and that a shite team took six points off us last season so thought it relevant to put some perspective to the thread.

Jerome Shields
1239 Posted 20/06/2021 at 16:56:05
Jerome Shields
1240 Posted 20/06/2021 at 16:56:06
Paul#1239

There is no chance that either Moshiri or Usmanov are going to walk away. They are quids in. Purchased the Club at a discount and have a front seat on a Docklands development. They even hit it lucky with a Manager. Even if they have had to introduce more finance than they expected.

As to the suggestion that Duncan will learn alot from all the Managers he has worked under. I think that there is a good chance the experiences would put him right off.

Anthony Murphy
1241 Posted 20/06/2021 at 17:14:55
True Michael, the players are what ultimately matters. Who we bring in as manager will no doubt have an impact on the players we can attract but more importantly, whether key players will want to stay. I dread to think what our squad will be like if a few of our most important players do leave and we need to bring in suitable replacements as well as additions to the squad as per our plans for the summer. I just hope we can keep hold of those we really need whilst off loading the deadwood
Michael Barrett
1242 Posted 20/06/2021 at 17:24:07
Anthony come on man you know how footy works our crap players on long contracts dig there heels in and you carnt give them away, and the so called decent players get there head turned by other clubs and there agent down there ear, please people remember this is just a job to players now, there NOT evertonians even though we think they are.
Phil Wood
1243 Posted 20/06/2021 at 18:36:29
If he does get the job then there is no point in pissing off the Owner/Owners.
I would rather be in the Prem with large financial resources available and Rafa Benitez at the helm than being in the Prem with a cash strapped set of Owners and another Manger.
Ian Pilkington
1244 Posted 20/06/2021 at 18:46:18
Bill@1232
I’ve a had a look at the list of companies owned by Mr Usmanov which appear to be mainly mining and metallurgical and I believe it is highly unlikely that any of them would be involved in the supply of materials for the construction of the stadium.
Paul Hewitt
1245 Posted 20/06/2021 at 18:51:10
Ian@1250. I'm sure he owns a steel company.
Colin Glassar
1246 Posted 20/06/2021 at 19:02:12
A big one by all accounts Paul.
Mike Gaynes
1247 Posted 20/06/2021 at 19:07:07
Paul, not just steel, but also fraud, corruption, racketeering, bribery and political fixing for Putin. By comparison the steeling he went to prison for was pretty small.
Ray Roche
1248 Posted 20/06/2021 at 19:08:35
Paul, he does indeed. Mettaloinvest is a steel and iron ore company apparently.
What is not so well known is his philanthropy. A very generous man.
Mike Gaynes
1249 Posted 20/06/2021 at 19:15:55
Ray, it's actually quite well known. Won an award from the Sunday Times for his COVID-19 donations.
Mike Gaynes
1250 Posted 20/06/2021 at 19:16:01
Ray, it's actually quite well known. Won an award from the Sunday Times for his COVID-19 donations.
Kim Vivian
1251 Posted 20/06/2021 at 19:16:04
Will probably need my kevlar waistcoat for saying this, but I have serious doubts over Duncan's man management skills if he were to become a longer term than interim manager. He got the squad well fired up for one particular game but it fizzled a bit out thereafter - and love or hate the guy, his treatment of Kean was abysmal if that is any barometer.
Thomas Richards
1252 Posted 20/06/2021 at 19:19:16
"Paul, not just steel, but also fraud, corruption, racketeering, bribery and political fixing for Putin. By comparison the steeling he went to prison for was pretty small."

That will do me Mike.
Get him on board

Ray Roche
1253 Posted 20/06/2021 at 19:28:41
Hi Mike, I haven’t seen any mention on TW, I don’t know how well known it is generally. I have seen the Sunday Times articles but his generosity is evident in other charitable donations.

Kim, yes, his treatment of Kean was unnecessarily harsh. If that’s anything to go by Ferguson has the man management skills of a Josef Stalin, but less subtle.

Ian Pilkington
1254 Posted 20/06/2021 at 19:33:23
There seems to a perception on here that because Usnanov has significant interests in steel that he would automatically be intent on supplying materials for the new stadium.
I repeat that it would be highly unlikely that the stadium contractor would be required to source either structural steelwork or steel reinforcement from Usmanov’s companies.
Tony Abrahams
1255 Posted 20/06/2021 at 19:44:17
There is an old Russian saying that you are never safe from Prison or poverty, and this is probably why Usmanov, has chosen to stay very close to Putin!

He was worth £2.7 Billion, fourteen years ago, which goes to show the rich just keep getting richer, just as long as they stay out of jail!!

Thomas Richards
1256 Posted 20/06/2021 at 19:52:29
We have tried every angle to improve our club.
None have it has worked.
Time to give the scall a go.
Ray Roche
1257 Posted 20/06/2021 at 20:00:57
Tony, he’s worth nearer £15b now.


That’d keep you in socks for a few months.

Danny O’Neill
1258 Posted 20/06/2021 at 20:09:34
I read $16.5bn Ray, so that sounds about right. And then Moshiri is about £2.5bn if I believe what I read.

I really hope the club are finally giving this consideration. If we believe that Usmanov is behind Moshiri, then it would appear the funds are there. It's about choosing the manager to use them wisely. But again, isn't that Brands' job so the coach can coach?

Ray Smith
1259 Posted 20/06/2021 at 20:09:43
Guys let’s be honesty.
Whoever comes in, we are in for another mediocre season!
Who in their right mind would take on a club, where their prized assets desert the sinking ship?
We are a laughing stock, end of.
Total joke.
Danny O’Neill
1260 Posted 20/06/2021 at 20:15:22
Without wanting to sound like a so called happy clapper Ray, if you'd have been a Man City fan in the late 90s / early 2000s, you could have had that very same sentiment.

I'm not giving in just yet. If we get this one right, we are still moving upwards strategically. We are just suffering tactical turbulence along the way.

Brian Williams
1261 Posted 20/06/2021 at 20:21:46
Jeez, hide the knives!!!!!
Mike Gaynes
1262 Posted 20/06/2021 at 20:35:35
Ray #1259, criminality and philanthropy aren't necessarily exclusive. Most people don't know this, but the first soup kitchen was invented by Al Capone -- he fed thousands of Chicagoans every day during the depression. And I remember reading an account of the Yakuza conducting massive community relief/rescue operations after the Japanese earthquakes in 2011 and 1995.

So if this guy wants to use his ill-gotten billions to contribute to the arts, enhance COVID research and buy us a creative attacking midfielder, who am I to complain?

Andy Crooks
1263 Posted 20/06/2021 at 20:37:52
Rule out the unthinkable:
Moyes, Benitez, Martinez, Gerrard
Then the impossible:
Anyone really good.
We are now left with the barely, but just about, acceptable:
Howe, Ferguson, Nuno. If we rule them out we have:
Graham Potter.
Using the methods of Mr Sherlock Holmes; the problem is solved
Robert Tressell
1267 Posted 20/06/2021 at 21:00:18
This squad finished 10th - but just 3 points off 7th.

Had Ancelotti stayed he'd have signed 2 or 3 for the first XI with a couple of prospects. The same is true of whoever comes in.

That recruitment gives us something like the 7th best squad. So next season we were very likely to finish higher under Ancelotti and maybe sneak 6th. Higher than that might have been possible with really good recruitment and luck with injuries.

The same is probably true if we appoint Santo or Benitez certainly. They're both experienced and unlikely to be a disaster. Same is probably true for Potter, Martinez, Dyche and maybe even Howe.

That's because whilst the squad is not that good, it's not that bad either. Relegation is something 10 other clubs might worry about - but not us.

Which is why I think we can afford to think really big but a bit less short termist with our recruitment for once - and take the time and trouble to build something special. And ultimately the recruitment will drive the success much more than the coach.

Ray Roche
1268 Posted 20/06/2021 at 21:03:28
Mike, I never knew that about Capone. Must have been strange times in the USA in those days.
I remember reading that tattoos are frowned upon In Japan due to their use by Yakuza. Makes wonder when I see the tattooed Premier League players…,
Tony Abrahams
1269 Posted 20/06/2021 at 21:04:03
Robin Hood, started it Mike G, well before Al Capone! but that’s a good story mate, and it goes to show that most human-beings also have a heart, and Jay W, has also told us that the criminal gangs in the favella’s, have done a lot more to help their people, than the Government in Brazil, during the ongoing COVID pandemic, although a cashless society is going to cause mayhem for most kinds of life, and not just criminality!
Dave Abrahams
1270 Posted 20/06/2021 at 21:06:01
This thread is like an undertakers convention, I’ve had my black overcoat on reading a lot of these posts. Cheer up I think Uzzi will be the rebirth of the Blues, whether we like him or not.
Tom Harvey
1271 Posted 20/06/2021 at 21:28:41
Colin Glassar @ 1148

Some might say if you put De Bruyne, Hazzard et al in the Scotish team they would also will be at the top of the FIFA rankings?

He (Martinez) might be a football genius, but one without a plan B (as we found out).

He might be that bit more pragmatic now, I wouldn't want to take the chance on the kind of budget we'd give him now, we could end up like Wigan, entertaining but ultimately doomed.

To use poker, we're going all in for a flush if we employ him, it's risky.

Tony Abrahams
1272 Posted 20/06/2021 at 21:31:14
Might love Usmanov, Dave, if we can get over his latest managerial appointment, because I’ve just been told what Brian H, posted today about Benitez, being in Sardinia, is all true, with Duncan Ferguson also remaining, and moving onto manager number six!
Don Alexander
1273 Posted 20/06/2021 at 21:48:27
Interesting that some of us point out the cover-up public largesse undertaken by the likes of Capone and Nottingham's finest (apart from Cloughie, obviously) to justify their actions, but the fact is that those luminaries were taking on, in their minds, a totally shambolic leadership who decade after decade failed to deliver what the rebels' core support genuinely needed.

I really just wonder how our very own Sheriff of Nottingham has managed to head the boardroom for decades now, to his personal massive financial advantage, whilst the fans he purportedly "leads" endure a barren period the like of which has never previously been matched in our 143 year history.

Only at Everton does the present ownership seem to think that "gross" incompetence necessitates 144 years before action is required to be rid of the cause.

Here's hoping for next year, same at it ever was, same as it ever was (credit "Once in a Lifetime" - Talking Heads - https://youtu.be/9Ew1FxWY83g).

Neil Copeland
1274 Posted 20/06/2021 at 21:49:57
The club needs a ruthless manager to sort it out and get rid of those players not worthy of the shirt. As unpalatable it is to some (most?), I think (based upon the rumours) Usmanov is convinced that Benitez is that man.

Perhaps the promotions? for Brands are a sweetener to give him more say at board level in the future and help ensure he doesn’t resign should Rafa be appointed.

The thinking maybe to get a manager who presents little risk and can possibly get us to 7th or 6th with a couple of good signings. If it works out well then he may be offered a contract extension. If not, we will at least have a fitter squad with very few if any hangers on.

John Boon
1275 Posted 20/06/2021 at 21:56:05
Tony 1276 Could not agree more. Posters have commented on how important this decision must be due to the large number of posts.

Mick O'Malley (God Bless Him) made the first post on June 15. I hope he doesn't mind me quoting him, "Breaking News " and since then he could have gone on holiday to Ireland and back and made the same post 1280 comments later.

I wonder if Mick ever realised what he had started. I smile. Certainly not his fault but since then there has been "POSTER CHAOS" as many many Evertonians just don't have a clue what to expect. Me included.

From my notes at least 57 prospective managers have been interviewed. I did hear that Everton had been waiting to see which manager won between Torquay and Hartlepools in the National League Finals. They will then go 12 Rounds with Benitez in order to come to a sensible decision.

Ed Prytherch
1276 Posted 20/06/2021 at 22:54:28
Jerome #1245 - your best ever post.
Jeff Armstrong
1277 Posted 20/06/2021 at 22:55:16
If Usmanov wants Benítez, then it’s “welcome Rafa “ from me, Usmanov must now raise his head and let’s see where we can go, City started with Hughes, moved on to Mancini, Pellagrinni, Pep etc
Benítez will be a starting point for Usmanov.
🤞
Peter Brogan
1278 Posted 20/06/2021 at 23:28:46
Rafa will be appointed this week.
Nicholas Ryan
1279 Posted 20/06/2021 at 00:02:53
Whoever the manager is, surely the equation remains the same, i.e. if he wins football matches he can stay, if he doesn't, he can't.
Bill Gall
1280 Posted 21/06/2021 at 02:16:03
Ian 1250 A. Usmanov owns Metallionvest who supplied the steel for the construction of the Sochi Olympic facilities. (Fischt Olypic Stadium ) and others, plus large scale sporting facilities, Otkrite Arena the home of Spartak Moscow Football Club

they also had orders for 40,000 tons of steel products for the construction of 12 football stadiums..

Bill Gall
1281 Posted 21/06/2021 at 02:16:04
Ian 1250 A. Usmanov owns Metallionvest who supplied the steel for the construction of the Sochi Olympic facilities. (Fischt Olypic Stadium ) and others, plus large scale sporting facilities, Otkrite Arena the home of Spartak Moscow Football Club.
Bill Gall
1282 Posted 21/06/2021 at 02:16:08
Ian 1250 A. Usmanov owns Metallionvest who supplied the steel for the construction of the Sochi Olympic facilities. (Fischt Olypic Stadium ) and others, plus large scale sporting facilities, Otkrite Arena the home of Spartak Moscow Football Club.
Bill Gall
1283 Posted 21/06/2021 at 02:16:31
Ian 1250 A. Usmanov owns Metallionvest who supplied the steel for the construction of the Sochi Olympic facilities. (Fischt Olypic Stadium ) and others, plus large scale sporting facilities, Otkrite Arena the home of Spartak Moscow Football Club.
Bill Gall
1284 Posted 21/06/2021 at 02:20:22
Apologise for the repeats my mistake
Kieran Kinsella
1285 Posted 21/06/2021 at 02:40:56
Don

We’ve called Bill a lot of nasty names but Sherrif of Nottingham? Surely the archetypal villain of all time is too much. Be interested to hear Barry Rathbones view as his cousin Basil was in those movies

Eric Myles
1286 Posted 21/06/2021 at 05:20:10
Peter #929, possibly an astute move by Bill as he's always said he wanted investment and to be left to ruin the Club by himself.
Tony Abrahams
1287 Posted 21/06/2021 at 08:16:27
If Benitez, does become Everton manager, I wonder who will kop for most of the anger that will surely come from the fans?

Will it be Moshiri, the front man who’s in charge of proceedings, or will it be the saviour, the man who imo, has kidded Evertonians for years?

I want unity, certain people don’t believe it’s possible, but hopefully soon, the most divisive man I’ve ever witnessed at Everton, might be on his way out, with that old adage about not being able to kid all of the people, all of the time, as I remember his description of Farhad Moshiri, “the man who just keeps giving”

David Pearl
1288 Posted 21/06/2021 at 08:19:47
Tony, l guess l am with you. I too blame whomever makes those disgusting pies. It's time he goes.
Jerome Shields
1289 Posted 21/06/2021 at 08:28:14
Tony#1293

The Kop would not be happy, but that what would be expected. Moshiri would probably take the brunt of the abuse, though he will not be about much. Bill will wash his hands of the appointment, he is already doing that as a precaution.

A decision this week?

Jerome Shields
1290 Posted 21/06/2021 at 08:28:14
Tony#1293

The Kop would not be happy, but that what would be expected. Moshiri would probably take the brunt of the abuse, though he will not be about much. Bill will wash his hands of the appointment, he is already doing that as a precaution.

A decision this week?

Danny O’Neill
1291 Posted 21/06/2021 at 08:40:31
Good morning all.

As I said yesterday, I don't think the appointment of Benitez will divide the fans. It is actually uniting the majority Tony. But unfortunately, in a kind of Sam Allardyce way. Obviously, we'll all be behind the team, but there will always be contempt towards the manager. Not from all, but from most in my opinion. This will mean that the moment something goes wrong, the crowd and the supporters will turn quickly.

If Benitez is appointed, time is of the essence for him more than any other manager we've had in my lifetime as the patience afforded to others just won't be there. Well not from the majority of supporters. If the board are adamant he's their man even though they clearly understand the backlash, then they may well stick with him regardless. Otherwise, they won't appoint him in the first place if supporter discontent is a major concern for them.

I said yesterday, if this goes ahead, it could well be the end of Kenwright. Something will give here. Also, if this is the type of manager they want if the source rumours and Spanish journalist are to be believed, then I hope they are sounding out someone like Mancini if he is going to be available. He's worked in the North West of England before, so it's not as if it would be an alien environment to him.

Colin Glassar
1292 Posted 21/06/2021 at 08:49:41
I don’t know what to make of all of this. All I do know is, our owners haven’t got a clue.

One of them is trying to appoint a man universally disliked by the majority of the fans. The other, trying to be reunited with his exiled sons (ginge and Roberto). And the power behind the throne quickly losing patience with his two stooges.

Danny O’Neill
1293 Posted 21/06/2021 at 09:03:01
I think you have just made some sort of sense of it Colin.

As always, we're reading between the lines, but I'd go with what you elude to; a split at board level, hence me thinking something will have to give and I know where I'd put my money.

Many will will be dismayed if Benitez is appointed. But I'd wager many of those will be glad should it result in Kenwright's departure.

Caveat that I too don't really know what to make of it. I'm speculating and gossiping.

Neil Cremin
1294 Posted 21/06/2021 at 09:04:50
Good morning Danny.
Good pragmatic observation on Benitez. However don't understand your wish for Mancini. For me not inspiring and not a strong enough disciplinarian. Didnt he have public spats with Craig Bellamy. I also doubt he would be available. Why would you leave managing an Italian side who are looking good for the Euros, a year before the World Cup to take on a project like Everton which Carlo ran from at the first available opportunity.
Danny O’Neill
1295 Posted 21/06/2021 at 09:07:01
Oh, not my choice at all Neil. I'm well left of field in the type I'd like them to go for.

I just think if this is the type of manager they want, which is an Ancelotti type (proven historic success, big name etc), then Mancini could be an option for them. Not me!!

Matt Traynor
1296 Posted 21/06/2021 at 09:40:14
The end of Kim Jong Bill will not bring me any satisfaction, as it'll be almost two decades too late.

Someone who allegedly used a leveraged buyout to acquire the club (from an incompenet, but I don't believe malicious regime).

Someone who oversaw years of stagnation, knowing full well that the value of the club was increasing with every new TV deal, every other club sale (rising tide and all that )

He's effectively out already. A minority shareholder with an honourary position. But with 10s of millions now in the bank. Ultimately the price was paid by the club and fans. By being on the sidelines whilst everyone was jockeying, we're condemned to forever be also-rans. If we were ever to win anything again, we'd be talked about on a par with Leicester's achievements. Thanks True Blue

Brian Harrison
1297 Posted 21/06/2021 at 09:40:57
I think it will be interesting who will be at the press conference when they unveil Benitez, certainly not the man who will have appointed him as thats not Usmanovs style. Knowing how unpopular this decision is I doubt Moshiri will want to answer the many questions journalists will have about this appointment. And despite his faults I cant see Kenwright being happy with this appointment, as the other 2 don't care what the supporters want, I am sure Kenwright is fully aware of the supporters feeling on this.

I think you have to seriously worry when our joint owners or rather owner and puppet have so far have been rumoured to have interviewed Benitez on at least 3 occasions. I cant believe Benitez would be putting any stumbling blocks into signing a contract, he has even had his friend Guilleme Balague telling the world and his wife the small club comments were a misunderstanding. So Usmanov/Moshiri whats the hold up?

Laurie Hartley
1298 Posted 21/06/2021 at 09:46:41
The longer this goes the more I like it.
Kev Jones
1299 Posted 21/06/2021 at 09:48:08
Mike #1253

Well put Mike.

Man City play beautiful football bankrolled to sports-wash the UAE.
ESL super league scheme to make the superrich super-richer.
Everton manager:Money calling the shots.

A racketeer who charity-washes his racketeering and support for an authoritarian populist is to be our saviour?

Its between a rock and a hard place for us fans.

Les Green
1300 Posted 21/06/2021 at 09:49:14
I just read in this thread that Benitez is actually a Real Madrid fan. If he really is a top manager it makes you wonder why they weren't tearing up trees to get him instead of Carlo
Danny O’Neill
1301 Posted 21/06/2021 at 09:58:06
That they're still talking to other candidates Brian? I'm being hopeful again that they're going to completely surprise the supporters and the media! Hope, not confidence.

If, after all this, we end up appointing Nuno, Benitez or Duncan, we really do epitomise being able to confuse and drag out what could have been a relatively straight forward decision. Either that or we have been pursuing other options, they haven't come off and we revert to the fall back. Being the fall back "get out of jail" option is never a good start point for any manager. If I recall, that was pretty much the situation with Howard Kendall's 3rd appointment. Basically, we couldn't get anyone else to take the job is how it felt at the time, so Howard, bless him, stepped in.

As said above by Colin, I too really don't know what to make of it or where its going.

Brian Harrison
1302 Posted 21/06/2021 at 10:08:09
Danny

I think the delay is to make us believe they are really scrutinising every possible candidate, to make sure they get the right one. I don't believe nobody wants to manage our club and if we could persuade Ancelotti the most successful of all present day managers, then I fail to believe that our only hope is a washed up manager who in his last post in China ( yes China) lost more games than he won, and in his last job in the Premier league earned no more points than did his successor Steve Bruce.

Also we were prepared to pay Ancelotti £11 million a year 2nd highest in the Premier league and people are really suggesting there would be no top manager be prepared to swap jobs for that amount of money.
I believe Usmanov/Moshiri have decided to pour their money into a new stadium and not into player or manager aquisitions, just lets see who leaves and who comes in when the manager is finally announced.

Danny O’Neill
1303 Posted 21/06/2021 at 10:15:15
A post of two halves that Brian!!

Hope and anticipation that we are scouring the market with our willingness to pay big bucks to entice a manager. As you say, we had already budgeted £11m a year.

Then fear and trepidation that they're more focussed on the stadium than the pitch.

You've left me hanging!!

Len Hawkins
1304 Posted 21/06/2021 at 10:31:54
Whatever hold Kenwright has to continue in his "honorary" position of Chairman isn't it about time the money men Moshiri/Usmanov closed their wallets and told The Fat Controller that not a penny more will be invested while the Charlatan calls the shots.
The ONLY ex Everton players who have known success are now in their 70's or not far off. So why does he, in his manic search for anyone, always have to be from Evertonia.
Has he got a stake in a Cryogenics firm, has he secretly frozen past Everton greats in order to warm them up and trot them out as the next coming.
Perhaps they should just open their wallet one last time and buy the best brush money can by to SWEEP away the nostalgia monster and his cronies.
Paul Niklas
1305 Posted 21/06/2021 at 10:45:05
In Summary,

Moyes =. New contract at West Ham.

Ancelotti = Mutual agreement to Fuck off.

Nuno= demands on backroom staff that means Dunc and Rhino and the rest have to go is a problem for Everton.

Martinez = The worst manager after Mike Walker we ever had, turned the best team we had for 20 years to 17th in 18 months and given Lukaku something Moyes never had.

Duncan - none of us have any idea how good or bad he would be. Passion though isn't enough.

Benitez= should have got him instead of Martinez at the time, has all the credentials and is still young, the problem, the blinkered bitter blue who lives in the past.

Conte= All day every day,pay him Ancelloti Salary and more, has the lot.

Potter= Brighton were potentially a top 6 side if they had strikers, a bit like Everton just before Moyes left. Great potential but are we aimimg high enough to attract the best players.

Basically its not a great set of choices really with only one stand out in Conte.

So all you playstation managers out there let the club do there job after all its there decision and there's alone whether you like that or not, you don't matter in this decision and never have or will.

Thomas Richards
1306 Posted 21/06/2021 at 10:48:52
https://www.footballinsider247.com/sources-benitez-advisers-tell-him-to-reject-everton-and-accept-newcastle-offer-instead/
Colin Glassar
1307 Posted 21/06/2021 at 10:52:39
Rafa out, before he begins seems to have worked. Now we start on our G-List of future failures.
Danny O’Neill
1308 Posted 21/06/2021 at 10:59:01
As per discussion yesterday Thomas, the Benitez to Newcastle thing is what a very good Newcastle supporting friend has been saying to me. And their supporters would welcome it from what I understand.
David Smith
1309 Posted 21/06/2021 at 10:59:37
Paul @1311 : you seem to have forgotten probably the most interesting and best-fitting candidate for our needs - Christophe Galtier is the man.
Barry Hesketh
1310 Posted 21/06/2021 at 11:01:38
Sorry Colin @1313
The reports from Talksport this morning that Everton has turned away from Benitez, seem to be more an opinion rather than hard news, according to Alan Myers in a recent tweet says he doesn't rule anybody in or out for the job. It seems the media has the same clue as the rest of us. Sorry to make the longest day even longer. Anyway, I've heard that the suits are waiting for post number 1878 on this thread before they come to a decision.
Brendan McLaughlin
1311 Posted 21/06/2021 at 11:11:02
Barry#1316
Waiting for post number 1878...we'll probably know by lunchtime then?
Paul Niklas
1312 Posted 21/06/2021 at 11:17:53
Dave Smith 1315. I don't know enough about him to make a comment, I don't think he's under consideration though. All I know is we need a big change that results in anybody currently involved in coaching at the club being asked to leave.
Gary Willock
1313 Posted 21/06/2021 at 11:21:39
“Blinkered bitter blues who live in the past” - says someone being very bitter about those with a different opinion to themselves, about a manager who hasn’t won anything for years.

Online debate is often the ultimate oxymoron.

Neil Lawson
1314 Posted 21/06/2021 at 11:27:54
It does appear that only available managers have been considered. If Nuno was right he would be in post, the fat waiter too. You would expect that the best man for the job should be targeted not just those who come free of charge. That view is reinforced by opinions and comments above.
Ever more it may be that Duncan's star is rising. I imagine that he would take the job without a pay increase ( await the derision from other posters !! ). My 2 sons considered putting me in a home in Sidmouth when I proposed a tenner on him at the very beginning. I wonder what this week will bring us ?
Danny O’Neill
1315 Posted 21/06/2021 at 11:28:59
I don't believe any of us are here of the understanding we are going to make or even influence decisions.

We're here to exchange views, opinions and discuss all things Everton. Sometimes we agree, sometimes we don't, but it's a forum to express those views and opinions on what we think (because we don't know) what is going on at the club.

That includes or views on the potential manager candidates that are being rumoured.

Dave Williams
1316 Posted 21/06/2021 at 11:30:45
Paul #1311 Benítez isn’t young- he’s 61 I think and hasn’t had real success for some years. Has he still got it or is he a busted flush? Are we prepared to risk the wrath of many of the fan base to gamble on him still having enough left? That’s the big question.
Colin Glassar
1317 Posted 21/06/2021 at 11:33:40
Barry 1316, I don’t believe 99% of these rumours but they are fun and get people talking and speculating
Brian Williams
1318 Posted 21/06/2021 at 12:12:43
Gary#1319.
I agree Gary. Sometime less debate, more a diatribe, from grammatically challenged pseudo philosophers!
Danny O’Neill
1319 Posted 21/06/2021 at 12:25:48
Just circling back on post 1311. Is it a problem if Duncan and Unsworth have to go? They stay if the incoming manager considers them a valuable addition to his team, but they should not be a pre-conditional determining factor as to who the manager should be.
Tony McNulty
1320 Posted 21/06/2021 at 12:38:02
Are there any real advantages to appointing Benitez?

The only two coming readily to mind are:

- he would clearly expand the customer base of the local chippies;

- he would presumably come for "small club" wages.

Danny O’Neill
1321 Posted 21/06/2021 at 12:43:34
Well Tony, this thread would undoubtedly reach post 1878.

But then the scramble to be poster 1878 would like overload and crash the site!!

Paul Niklas
1322 Posted 21/06/2021 at 12:50:00
61 not young? Seriously thats an insult to the worlds top managers. Ancelloti Mourinho, Mancini, Moyes, all 58 to 62. Guadiola, Conte 50s. Alex Ferguson, Wenger in there late 60s still managing. Age has nothing to do with it, any Monkey can get the players fit and conditioned but tactics style of play formations etc is something any top coach can do.
Pat Kelly
1323 Posted 21/06/2021 at 12:58:16
Latest rumours suggest Everton have gone cold on appointing Benitez after reaction of some fans. May be true otherwise you'd think they'd just get on with appointing him. Ferguson's chances must be improving with Nuno also out of the race.
Michael Lynch
1324 Posted 21/06/2021 at 13:04:36
Doesn't necessarily mean anything, but Rafa still odds-on favourite with the bookies, with Nuno second favourite. Nobody else shorter than 10/1.
Danny O’Neill
1325 Posted 21/06/2021 at 13:06:49
Erm. Moyes seems to be included in that list of worlds top managers Paul. Not sure if that was an oversight or typo?!!

If we're going down the ageist route (not a concern of mine by the way), Duncan is 50 this year and yet to take on his first full time managerial role.

Derek Knox
1326 Posted 21/06/2021 at 13:08:36
Pat K, who says, apart from you, that Nuno is out of the race?
Paul Niklas
1327 Posted 21/06/2021 at 13:10:52
I added Moyes as he has or was linked also. Duncan is not the man, if he was interested in managing he should have gone somewhere and done it by now. He has no credentials for the job at all. My point 61 is young today on every level and its not nor should be a consideration.
Danny O’Neill
1328 Posted 21/06/2021 at 13:13:22
Understood Paul.

Agree. Age not a concern for me. 38 up and coming or 61, I don't care as long as its someone with the credentials to come and do the job.

That's why my initial preferences varied from veteran to upstart.

Neil Cremin
1329 Posted 21/06/2021 at 13:37:25
Danny
Just getting back to you now on Mancini and the Carlo types. This is where we have been making our biggest mistakes in appointing managers. I believe the likes of Mancini and I include Conte in this will come in, on big salaries, demand huge transfer kitty and try to buy a team. We have tried that since Moshri has taken over and its worse we are getting. We adding blocks to wall without any foundation or connection.
I believe we take a risk and reset, go back to basics and get a non nonsense manager who has good knowledge and network of up and coming players and starts to build a team. I don't mind if it is boring and hard to beat initially (Moyes style) but would hope that once stable and those journeymen on lucrative contracts are finally disposed of we can start investing strategically.
Who do I see as realistic candidates, Yes Galtier (Unfortunately that is just a dream which also could be high risk as the French league is not the PL).
Of the others mentioned, I would go with Nuno, Potter (if he were available or convinced), high risk option of Duncan and even Benitez. The problem with Benitez is that a portion (and I don't necessarily agree that it is a majority just the loudest) of the fans will not have the patience to reset and build. From the TW posts I get the impression that many believe that all we need is a high profile manager and big transfer fund and we will make it to top four. We had that for the past 18 months, achieved 10th and manager baulked at the task ahead and ran.
Time to start building proper foundations.
Dont forget, Man City took a few years and numerous managers to finally achieve success.
Christopher Timmins
1330 Posted 21/06/2021 at 13:38:11
Colin # 1148 and Steve # 1150

I think there is a strong possibility that Roberto is a better manager now than he was a couple of years ago. Indeed, if the powers that be made a call that only managers with a perfect record at all previous clubs could apply for the job then Duncan will win by default.

If you take the former Arsenal Manager as an example, he is a better manager today than he was when Arsenal first appointed him, good managers learn from their bad times and become stronger and more driven to make it work the next time. I can see that desire with the current West Ham manager.

My worry about Martinez is that he has a blind spot for the defensive side of the game, it was there when he managed Wigan and with us. In October 2018 I was in hospital in Faro and I remember watching Belgium play Switzerland in a qualifying game on a Sunday evening to pass the time. I am pretty sure Switzerland scored 5 goals that night and qualified.

Geoff Lambert
1331 Posted 21/06/2021 at 13:42:34
Neil 1335
" Don't forget, Man City took a few years and numerous managers to finally achieve success."
And which up and coming no nonsense managers did they employ to do the job? And what up and coming players did they buy on the cheap?
Mick O'Malley
1332 Posted 21/06/2021 at 13:45:26
Jamie Crowley@1112 I’d have Roberto back in a heartbeat, a choice between him and Benitez it’s Roberto every day of the week
Gary Willock
1333 Posted 21/06/2021 at 13:48:46
“Duncan is not the man, if he was interested in managing he should have gone somewhere and done it by now.”

Maybe the ONLY club he’s interested in managing is the one he loves?

“ He has no credentials for the job at all”.

Been in football for 25 years. Played under multiple managers. Coached under current managers of Real Madrid and Barcelona. Coaching badges. Loves the club, is well thought

Don’t get this “not qualified” debate. Pep’s first job was Barca and his second Bayern Munich. Zidanes first job was Real. Wenger had only managed in the Mickey Mouse J league. Arteta’s already won a trophy with Arsenal.

For me he clearly has one of THE most critical ingredients: a big personality! Like him or not, you can’t ignore him and that makes him worth a go. Surround him with the right support and he could start a dynasty. If not, we’ll just lose a year. So what? We just lost a 5 of them with the last lot anyway.

Geoff Lambert
1334 Posted 21/06/2021 at 13:49:26
Jamie 1114 I'm on your side.
Neil Cremin
1335 Posted 21/06/2021 at 13:50:57
Exactly Geoff.
That statement was made in the context of the last paragraph and the unrealistic expectations that all our problems will be solved by appointing a high Profile manager and a large transfer kitty.
I don't agree and believe we should take stock, get back to basics and rebuild as we have a squad of overpaid under achieving and uncommitted players. Need the time to weed out and replace with pacy, hungry and committed players.
Pat Kelly
1336 Posted 21/06/2021 at 13:57:23
Derek #1332, that's my take on it. If Ferguson hasn't been sacrificed to accommodate Nuno's crew by now I doubt we'll cave in at this stage. The Club has to retain some control. It would lose face now to ditch Ferguson. We've been embarrassed enough by Ancelotti & Co. We don't need a reverse takeover.
Anthony Dove
1337 Posted 21/06/2021 at 14:02:04
The angry reaction from Spurs fans soon killed off the rumoured move for Gattuso. I don’t have the same confidence here. Unfortunately Moshiri appears to have little or no understanding of football in general and Everton in particular.
Paul Niklas
1338 Posted 21/06/2021 at 14:05:18
Martinez a better manager now, he was handed on a plate the best team in the world alledgedly. He turned the best defence in the country bar Chelsea when he took over, dropped Distin and I spoke to Sylvan about it and he was disgusted and embarrassed to lose his place to Alcaraz, it caused a real problem at the club, then he tried to get Jags to play from the back. It was never going to happen. The man was fucking awful and drained the life and passing out of Goodison with his boring football. He deserved the sick and he definatley does not deserve a second chance. He got the Job in the first place because Dave Whelan said he would be the next Barcelona manager after they beat us in the cup 3 0 at home. We do this all the time someone does well against us and we give them a job, Mike Milligan prime example, Vlasich another I could go on.
Ernie Baywood
1339 Posted 21/06/2021 at 14:09:38
Haven't been on ToffeeWeb for a while. Possibly it was the last match of the season. Haven't read much on the managerial stuff except to be aware of some targets and that nothing has happened.

This reminds me of periods where we needed a striker. It dragged on for so long that it got to the point where any old striker would have been an improvement to the squad.

And that's where I am now. I'll accept anyone. Make a decision, run with it, and live with the outcome.

The longer it goes, the more apparent it is that the new manager was a long way down the list. They'll have no time to assess the squad. No time to look at signings or changes at the club. They'll be appointed without having a chance from the start.

This had the potential to be a vitally important transfer window. I fear that's gone already.

Barry Rathbone
1340 Posted 21/06/2021 at 14:18:35
Paul Niklas 1344

"Martinez a better manager now, he was handed on a plate the best team in the world alledgedly"

Either he was irrefutably handed the best team in the world or he wasn't "allegedly" doesn't cut it. Utter guff like this is why he shouldn't even consider coming back here

Brian Murray
1341 Posted 21/06/2021 at 14:29:01
Ernie post 1345. It’s stating the obvious but needs saying. The spotlight is in Brands now and I mean now not after some grand unveiling of a manager. His remit is to buy players now either unearth gems or quality or both. If this is all too much for him he should resign with immediate effect and stay in the boardroom listening to some billy bullshit.
Conor McCourt
1342 Posted 21/06/2021 at 14:40:03
Barry even at the last World Cup Belgium were sixth favourites with the bookies and that's when they had most of their golden generation. I think you are so accurate when you say there is such an "anti-Martinez" faction among our fan base that anything he does is met with derision.

Belgium have been the number one team in the world for most of the last two years where Hazard has barely played, DeBruyne has missed quite a few games and only Lukaku of their three superstars has virtually been an ever present. Under Roberto they have lost only four games in his time there with an astonishing 77% win rate.

If it was anybody else who achieved what he has done there ToffeeWeb would be fawning all over him. Look at how they view Galtier after after he scraped Lille to a title in a four way tussle were PSG recorded there worst campaign in years.

Danny O’Neill
1343 Posted 21/06/2021 at 14:40:37
I'm kind of with you Neil.

The options in my head are nowhere near those apparently linked and are therefore probably unrealistic.

I just think if that's where the board's head is, Mancini might not be a bad option or consideration.

For them. Not for me. Ultimately, like all of us, I'm just a supporter who has to willingly or reluctantly accept what they go with.

Barry Rathbone
1344 Posted 21/06/2021 at 15:13:42
Connor 1348

Fans live off simple solutions Moyes couldnt challenge because of funds and Martinez coming in and doing just that didnt go down well with this simplistic analysis among some. The method of attainment via loans snd cheap buys was unsustainable but it didnt matter Martinez wasnt from a galactico club and he was therefore unworthy from the get go. Unfair and lunatic no wonder we’re in shit st if mosh is making decisions based on internet response

I have to keep reminding myself that the unreasoned cack that appears on Everton forums is not reoresentative of the rank and file otherwise the fume would envelope me

David Midgley
1345 Posted 21/06/2021 at 15:17:55
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David Midgley
1346 Posted 21/06/2021 at 15:17:55
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Peter Brogan
1347 Posted 21/06/2021 at 15:19:46
Let's get the right man in... We thought we had him in Carlo but some of the football last season was truly awful and would it get better? We will never know!!!!!!! I want a team that I get excited about not playing the low block home and away. One could argue it worked but was dire to watch.

Let's get a manager that gets us playing with some width and patterns of play. We seem to have lost this completely with a manager so highly regarded, so who steps in has a tough job, we all know that.

Bill Gall
1348 Posted 21/06/2021 at 15:20:07
On the conversation on Martinez, if as they say you learn by your mistakes, he has become a better manger, as he made a few as the Everton manager.
Will he be a good choice at Everton ?
I don't think so, his experience lately has been with top class professionals that if Everton had 4 of them on their books we wouldn't be in the mess we are in now, and with his success we may expect to much from him that he may not be able to deliver.
This latest report on Benitez, not entirely unexpected,M has put us back to square 1.
My own thoughts unless a name that comes up that we never thought of, The ex Wolves manager will be in.
Peter Brogan
1349 Posted 21/06/2021 at 15:22:46
Didn’t it get toxic with Bobby brown shoes? Not sure he is the answer.
Jerome Shields
1350 Posted 21/06/2021 at 15:33:06
The way things are looking Duncan could be brought in as Care Taker Manager. They really need some one in place by the end of this month.

It's a right Shambles, Tottenham are not much better. You really can't have Management interference to the exclusion of proper professional Football advice in the selection of the Football Manager role in a Club.

No wonder Everton have problems.

Rob Halligan
1351 Posted 21/06/2021 at 15:45:16
Well, it looks like over 1330 posts for nothing, as it looks like this particular deal has been pulled by the club, with Moshiri deciding against appointing Benitez following the fans backlash. It could have become really toxic had Benitez been appointed. So god knows where we go now, probably back for Nuno and his gang?
Paul Niklas
1352 Posted 21/06/2021 at 15:51:26
Hahaha Barry Rathbone, I actually think using the phrase I did is correct especially on this forum as someone would have argued they are not the best. It is alledged by the rankings also but they don't mean shit, just like Englands ranking based on playing nobody. You cant for one second be a Martinez supporter if you watched at the time he was awful in every way and for someone to use his international performance when most of that is against nobody either is a joke. Martinez will never manage Everton again, I mean never so forget your little love in there its not happening your ignoring every single fact of his tenure.
Oliver Molloy
1353 Posted 21/06/2021 at 15:53:46
Rob,

I'd bet Benitez pulled the plug.
I'm convinced they will go after Martinez again.

Paul Niklas
1354 Posted 21/06/2021 at 15:57:41
I really struggle at times to understand our fans, surprised at the vile banners at the ground against Benitez, have you ever been to an away game? The away fans and I mean some of them are horrible in every way, the type that put these banners Up, the type that abuse Bill Kenwright getting out his car at the ground ( Blue Union) I was there seen it and heard it. Dont kid your selves we are all wonderful supporters we have as many bad apples as the RS to be frank
Kieran Kinsella
1355 Posted 21/06/2021 at 16:03:04
If Everton seems jolly rotten
There's something you've forgotten
And that's to laugh and smile and dance and sing
When you're feeling in the dumps
Don't be silly chumps
Just purse your lips and whistle, that's the thing
Ian Edwards
1356 Posted 21/06/2021 at 16:07:03
Hearing from a source that we have a Manager. Announcement imminent. They haven't let me down in the past but I know I'll look silly if it's wrong. Not my choice but let's give him a chance.

Welcome to Everton Rafa Benitez.

Barry Hesketh
1357 Posted 21/06/2021 at 16:07:04
That won't work on TW Kieran as some of the posters "always look on the - rhymes with bright but means the exact opposite, it can also smell pretty bad too - of life"

Joe McMahon
1358 Posted 21/06/2021 at 16:24:18
Ian@1362, are you sure? Journalist on Talksport says it's not happening due to fan protests. Lets face it who would want to come to a club when you are called a fat c**t before you even start in the job.
Steve Brown
1359 Posted 21/06/2021 at 16:29:11
Think we're all so bored now we'd accept anyone just to get on with it.
Paul Hewitt
1360 Posted 21/06/2021 at 16:29:44
Get Duncan in ffs.
Richard Farrington
1361 Posted 21/06/2021 at 16:30:32
Ian at 1362, I've just heard the same as Joe at 1364 but I don't think anyone has a clue apart from the hierarchy.

Can you elaborate further on the reliability and % confidence in your source?

Steve Brown
1362 Posted 21/06/2021 at 16:43:46
Think Ian's source is his close personal friend Carlo Ancelotti!
Andrew Ellams
1363 Posted 21/06/2021 at 17:46:06
Joe @1364, if that worried Benitez he would never have gone to Chelsea
Paul Niklas
1364 Posted 21/06/2021 at 17:51:05
I think Benetiz will work as I have said before wanted him at the time we appointed the shocker Martinez. I also want him for the perverse reason of pissing off the skanks who put those banners up at the ground, the supporters we don't need. The man is the type to shove it up them all and prove anyone with the usual blinkers on that he can change us. Then this small club can move on to becoming the big club it once was.
Brian Williams
1365 Posted 21/06/2021 at 17:56:20
Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.
Dale Self
1366 Posted 21/06/2021 at 18:00:02
That's outrageous Brian. The nerve.
Jerome Shields
1367 Posted 21/06/2021 at 18:04:16
Ian#1362

Your source is good enough for me. At least you will now have company.

Bill Gall
1368 Posted 21/06/2021 at 18:04:59
Has there been any changes today in the betting odds for an Everton manager today.
Dan Nulty
1369 Posted 21/06/2021 at 18:07:11
Nothing major Bill, I'm really leaning towards they want a current international manager which is why we haven't heard anything. Or we are really trying hard to persuade Conte.
Barry Rathbone
1370 Posted 21/06/2021 at 18:15:46
Paul Niklas 1358

I will give your advice the same respect I give your spelling.

" It is alledged by the rankings"

"I think Benetiz will work"

#Alleged, Benitez

Tut tut.

Jeff Armstrong
1371 Posted 21/06/2021 at 18:33:02
Jerome #1373, who said Ian was fat?😆
Kev Wood
1372 Posted 21/06/2021 at 18:43:06
Are we there yet?

Are we there yet?

Seriously, this is a vitally important decision for the Board; they will be well aware that it is a decision that they need to make quickly and which they need to get right.

Let's just keep our fingers crossed that they remember NSNO and deliver the next stage in our future.

Hang on fellow Blues and then let's hit the ground running.

Paul Niklas
1373 Posted 21/06/2021 at 18:45:22
Here we go the standard response from a so called fan that has no argument or debate, a spelling mistake? Surprised you haven't complained about the banners not having inverted commas and full stops. The fools just keep growing on here.
Eddie Dunn
1374 Posted 21/06/2021 at 18:46:01
My nightmare is Southgate.
Dave Lynch
1375 Posted 21/06/2021 at 18:52:19
Any imminent news on this imminent appointment yet?
Brian Williams
1376 Posted 21/06/2021 at 18:53:56
Dave. Yeh it's Rafa Howe!
Brian Murray
1377 Posted 21/06/2021 at 18:56:26
Rafa is on the verge. Hope it’s a grassy knoll
Jeff Armstrong
1378 Posted 21/06/2021 at 18:56:27
Is that for Everton manager Eddie? Or just your usual nightmare fare?
Brent Stephens
1379 Posted 21/06/2021 at 18:56:57
Barry #1376 - "I will give your advice the same respect I give your spelling".

Does spelling matter but not punctuation? I'm just looking at #1350.

Mike Doyle
1380 Posted 21/06/2021 at 19:03:12
Eddie # 1380 ] Southgate wouldn’t work at Everton. He’s the sort of manager who always plays his favourites - irrespective of their form or fitness.
Oh! Hang on a moment.

On a separate note, I think Pardew & Curbishley are available.

Jeff Armstrong
1381 Posted 21/06/2021 at 19:08:50
Every day is a school day!
Kim Vivian
1382 Posted 21/06/2021 at 19:20:55
C'mon guys, be reasonable - It's obviously going to take a very long time to decide who is the least bad option.
Christy Ring
1383 Posted 21/06/2021 at 19:25:10
Paul# 1370 You want Benitez, to piss off the fans who put up the banner? That says everything, as for the world class's 61 year old, what has he done for the last 10 years, apart from going to China for money
Colin Glassar
1384 Posted 21/06/2021 at 19:26:45
I’d get all 32 named prospects together and have them do a Mexican standoff, or a Battle Royale. Last man standing wins the dubious honour of being our next manager. It’s the most democratic way I can think of.
Chris Henry
1385 Posted 21/06/2021 at 19:31:23
Rafa is a great big No from me. I've only just upgraded to allow comments on here but felt that this was a big decision for our board. (And fans, season ticket holders, generally people who give a shit.) Benitez is a mercenary. Ancelotti was always after a celebratory swan song……

We need to go back to basics. Many say that we can't attract the big money players without the big money manager???? Well, I say that we will if that man is Big Dunc. He bleeds Blue, and would likely do the job for free. A 12- to 18-month contract would suit me.

I'm new to TW but enjoy reading the opinions. This is just my opinion, but an ex-Liverpool charlatan like Rafa is a big No-No!

Conor McCourt
1386 Posted 21/06/2021 at 19:32:50
Dave@1381- I've just heard it's imminently imminent
David Pearl
1387 Posted 21/06/2021 at 19:33:43
Kim, 1388
That's probably what the board are asking themselves. Okay guys who is the least bad option? Funny but its probably true. I'm guessing in their interviews no candidate blew them away. Usually the board can come out with the line 'once we heard his vision we knew he was the man for us'
Paul Niklas
1388 Posted 21/06/2021 at 19:37:49
Christy it doesn't matter what hes done its what he can do.History is not everything, a lesson some Everton fans need to get. At 61 which is no age at all today he will still have all his ability and moneyvno doubt and to be frank who else is there out there. Yes those idiots who put the banners up know nothing about the man other than there Dads told them he used to manage Liverpool.
Annika Herbert
1389 Posted 21/06/2021 at 19:50:26
Paul @1394, if he still has all these abilities, how come no-one else is in for him? His recent record is poor to say the least.

He didn’t exactly set Madrid alight did he? Nor Milan for that matter. He is yesterday’s man as far as I am concerned and that’s without mentioning the history.

Bryan Houghton
1390 Posted 21/06/2021 at 19:50:53
This may have already discussed higher up the forum - though if not, i'm reading that Unesco are recommending Liverpool lose its World Heritage Status due to the number of developments along the dock - citing Everton's Bramley Dock as on of the main culprits in this regard.
Uproar in Liverpool city - council and business stakeholders v unhappy.
Final decision to be made next month.
Maybe the board have heard a whisper that the BMD project is now under-threat (in order to preserve World Heritage Status), and this is the reason their attention is on this, and is less focussed on the new manager OR maybe the person offered the post is holding on to see if BMD is under threat or not.

Dunno - though I am concerned about the City's response to the UNESCO announcement, and what this could do to BMD, and what this then does to Moshiri, Usmanov, the 'Project' - the whole gig. Let alone the next new manager.

I'm probably reading it all wrong. I just have a nagging feeling I'm not though.

Bill Gall
1391 Posted 21/06/2021 at 19:52:41
Dan 1375 Thank you, the people who run these betting companies don't often go on rumors and their odds they offer are usually closer to the truth than so called pundits and people who are supposedly friends of a friend who gave them a tip.
Brian Williams
1392 Posted 21/06/2021 at 19:53:29
Christy it doesn't matter what hes done its what he can do

That makes no sense whatsoever.
If that was the case anyone who's done nothing is equally suitable for the position.
Of course what a managers done matters, otherwise there's nothing to judge him on.

Pat Kelly
1393 Posted 21/06/2021 at 19:56:17
I just hope we don't rush this appointment.
Barry Rathbone
1394 Posted 21/06/2021 at 19:57:07
Brent 1385

Feel free to correct but don't fall into the trap of "subjective" rather than definitive correction - I will notice.

Joe McMahon
1395 Posted 21/06/2021 at 19:57:07
Colin @1390, my source just texted me, out of the 50 that have been shortlisted, apparently it's between Unsworth, Scott Spencer and John Oster. Moyes highly recommended Spencer and Oster to Bill last night over a 2 hour phone call with a glass of cristal champagne (Bill), and a can of Irn Bru (Moyes).
Bill Gall
1396 Posted 21/06/2021 at 19:59:02
Bryan 1396 This is a very serious conversation and perhaps the editors could place it on its own forum.
Paul Whittaker
1397 Posted 21/06/2021 at 20:03:54
This utter shit show from Everton, Spurs and Palace this summer will make clubs think twice about pulling the trigger on their managers come a dodgy start next season!
Paul Whittaker
1398 Posted 21/06/2021 at 20:04:36
This utter shit show from Everton, Spurs and Palace this summer will make clubs think twice about pulling the trigger on their managers come a dodgy start next season!
Brent Stephens
1399 Posted 21/06/2021 at 20:06:41
Bryan #1396 - I'm not sure the BMD project can now be under threat from government, local or national. Wasn't approval given at both levels in the knowledge of World Heritage Status implications?
Martin Mason
1400 Posted 21/06/2021 at 20:12:59
Please remember that there are no Managers in top football. The DoF is the Manager of the football side of the club and what was the Manager is now the Head Coach of the first team. The power of the "Manager" is grossly overrated, he doesn't even "Manage", Finch Farm and the feeder sides. Who we now appoint as Manager is irrelevant and why should we be so stupid as to pay one £10 MM a year to be top trainer? Was Ancelotti a failure as Manager? Of course not, the club was the failure as he was just an overpaid coach.
Allen Rodgers
1401 Posted 21/06/2021 at 20:16:52
Bryan @1396, planning permission, once granted, cannot be revoked. Whether the applicant (EFC ) wishes to proceed is a different matter but I don't see any signs that they will not. UNESCO have no further say on BMD.
David Pearl
1402 Posted 21/06/2021 at 20:18:44
Martin, 1406. The post not the year.

If only that were true. I also want us to get a coach, not a manager. And not a father figure.

Danny O’Neill
1403 Posted 21/06/2021 at 20:35:33
That's where my leaning and thought process has been going all along Martin.
Conor McCourt
1404 Posted 21/06/2021 at 20:37:03
Potter being backed heavily into fav for Spurs job in betfair. Nuno still second fav
Soren Moyer
1405 Posted 21/06/2021 at 20:51:06
If Fecking Benitez is still in the run, we'll need more banners then! And no to Dunc Unsy combo! M.E.G.A
Dale Self
1406 Posted 21/06/2021 at 20:57:10
Hmm, I thought we were getting to a better place Soren. Guess not, fuck off with the M.E.G.A.
Jay Harris
1407 Posted 21/06/2021 at 21:00:39
Given where we are at with Galtier, Conte and any other top manager not getting the job I give you my dream team:-

Joe Royle as general team manger supported by big Dunc and Tim Cahill as first team coaches. Bring Back Alan Irvine and some of Moyes fitness coaches and we are all set.

Better than living through this torment every day.

Danny O’Neill
1408 Posted 21/06/2021 at 21:02:42
My wife has just sent me into cold sweats by suggesting Southgate could be available after the Euros.
Conor McCourt
1409 Posted 21/06/2021 at 21:04:43
Danny he might be available in about four days time
Paul Niklas
1410 Posted 21/06/2021 at 21:08:23
Brian Williams. Ancelloti, Koeman prove otherwise.
Neil Cremin
1411 Posted 21/06/2021 at 21:35:08
Looks like we are cooling on Benitez and Howe is now coming into the reckoning. Nice lad, Evertonian I understand, but also wanted his own back room team who would join him.
Of those who ARE available
TWebbers have significant numbers saying
No Nuno
No Dunc
No Benitez
Of those in jobs or committed
No to Potter
No to Martinez
Galtier committed to Nice and don’t believe he would risk his reputation on a job that Carlo ran from

That leaves Howe who if Moshri is being swayed by listening to the fans may consider as being
a) Not divisive (apparently is an Everton fan)
b) Did OK on small budget at Bournemouth
c) Plays open football

I know where my preference still lies and order of preference and Howe is well down the list.


Neil Cremin
1412 Posted 21/06/2021 at 21:46:23
Addendum
Conti see Galtier re risking reputation
Dave Lynch
1413 Posted 21/06/2021 at 22:09:27
If its Howe, he'll be out of z job by Christmas and we'll be relegation fodder.

Of that I'm convinced.

Brian Wilkinson
1414 Posted 21/06/2021 at 22:10:14
Bryan@1396, is this the same heritage who are looking at Everton, to repair the surrounding Bramley Moore walls, with no cost to them.

If they lose the status, so be it, jobs and the area in bad need of regeneration, for me outweighs having a title instead, and leaving a run down area to go into even more decline and neglect.

Mike Oates
1415 Posted 21/06/2021 at 22:24:45
I don't think the board are any where near on the same page as regards who should be manager.

I think Moshiri has really had enough of Blue Bill's everything is rosy at the club with 47 ex Everton players in charge of everything that moves - Unsworth, Ebbrell, Jeffers, Baines, Ferguson, Sharp, Snodin, etc and soon to be Coleman, and he was desperate to bring back Moyes, if not Duncan, if not Eddie Howe, that other good Evertonian.

Brands just hasnt come out of the shadows, he should have told Bill to clear off out the way, and he should have told Moshiri to keep out of football business. The Sporting Director should choose the new manager, a manager to follow his strategy, it shouldnt be Moshiri wanting some A Star manager, who finds us not good enough to manage , and not Bill wanting a Everton Legend

There is no cohesion at all, we are poorly run at the Board and that reflects down onto the football side of things . We are a shambles of a club

But Moshiri does need to to stamp his authority on the proceedings, even if it means Bill & Brands buggering off - something has to change at the top !!

Danny O’Neill
1416 Posted 21/06/2021 at 22:27:13
No one on that list for me Neil and certainly not Howe.

Totally Bryan, what has holding the title and status done for that part of Liverpool?

Heritage, history and nostalgia are things to be proud of. But Everton Football Club and the City of Liverpool did not build that heritage by standing still or living in the past.

Respect our history but look forward and build the heritage of the future.

Don Alexander
1417 Posted 21/06/2021 at 22:33:45
I can't believe there's not a manager out there called Geoffrey who could sort out Bungle, George and Zippy in our boardroom.
Ian Edwards
1418 Posted 21/06/2021 at 22:43:12
Further to my post 1362 Mirror Football has just said further talks have taken place and Benitez will be announced in the coming days despite fans opposition.
Michael Barrett
1419 Posted 21/06/2021 at 22:48:51
My vote is for our denise she has done wonders for the rough sleepers in the area and I believe we are top of the "doing things for the community" league. As for rough sleepers we watch them every Saturday mascarading as top footballers.
Rob Young
1420 Posted 21/06/2021 at 22:51:49
Do these journalist ever hold their hands up days after they claimed an announcement is imminent?

If they keep saying they will get it right at some point.

Neil Cremin
1421 Posted 21/06/2021 at 23:07:24
Who Danny
With what is available and maybe interested in taking on the challenge I would go for Nuno and get it done he has a reasonable record, disciplinarian and is interested. Least risky and least divisive IMO
Barry Hesketh
1422 Posted 21/06/2021 at 23:07:27
Bryan @1396
Do you not think the Echo and other media outlets would have led with "Everton to miss out, in new stadium threat" in the wake of UNESCO threatening to remove the World Heritage Status from the City of Liverpool? I can understand your concerns but I'm certain that this particular news won't undermine Everton's move to BMD, In fact, it might prove to be good news for Moshiri and Usmanov et al as it may be easier for them to invest in the area with non-Everton related projects.
Chris Hockenhull
1423 Posted 21/06/2021 at 23:08:49
Aghhhhhhh…1417.. no…no…no…no…no…no….not the fkn “Eddie Howe is an Evertonian you know” mantra again!!!!! Dear god…I am about to combust!!!!
Geoff Lambert
1424 Posted 21/06/2021 at 23:09:30
Just a thought, why would Martinez want to come to us? I think he could walk in to one of the top jobs now.
And even more so if he wins the Euros.
Jerome Shields
1426 Posted 21/06/2021 at 23:18:04
Ian #1362

Looks like your source is coming up trumps again. Main Media outlets in the past 30 minutes report that it looks like Moshiri is going to appoint Benitez, ignoring fan unrest. They were reporting the complete opposite earlier this evening.

Well done.


Colin Glassar
1427 Posted 21/06/2021 at 23:21:17
Sounds like Rafa is in the lead again.
Jamie Crowley
1428 Posted 21/06/2021 at 23:26:06
Sounds like Rafa is in the lead again.

Just grabbed the scalpel again.

Steve Shave
1429 Posted 21/06/2021 at 23:26:49
Nooooooooooooooo!
Barry Hesketh
1430 Posted 21/06/2021 at 23:32:06
If you're Moshiri and have a choice in pleasing the supporters or pleasing your very very rich friend, what would you do?

It's not a decision I would have made, because I didn't want anybody with strong connections with Liverpool being appointed, nor do I think that Benitez is as good as his CV says he is, but I've been proved wrong before and if it is to be Benitez I hope and pray that he's a success and makes Everton a better team than we've been for too long.


Danny O’Neill
1431 Posted 21/06/2021 at 23:35:16
That's my problem Neil. Who I'd prefer and who I stated early on are either not available or not who the club would look at.

And looking at those last couple of posts, it could seem irrelevant.

For what its worth and for the sake of repetition, my considerations / thoughts:

1. Rangnick in as a senior manager with a head coach under him. Could pose problems with Brands, but then he's taking on more of a board role anyway. Rangnick is known as a builder. He builds clubs from the bottom up and the young Leipzig coach that worked under him has just gone on to be Bayern coach.

2. Terzic who done very well with Dortmund last season, taking over them, recovering their season and winning the German Cup. Has now had to re-take a back seat with them appointing Rose from Monchengladbach.

3. Ten Hag from Ajax.

I'm of a massively different mindset from where I think the club's thought process is, but if I'm Moshiri for a day, that's where I'd be. Unrealistic and never going to happen, but you asked!!

Jamie Crowley
1432 Posted 22/06/2021 at 00:41:02
My new managerial choice:

ABR.

Anybody But Rafa.

Literally.

Chris Mason
1433 Posted 22/06/2021 at 01:08:48
It’s going to be Benitez. Irrespective of his relative merits and so on, there is a weak field of candidates - and those who aren’t weak wouldn’t risk their reputation managing (sorry, coaching) our shower.

And Everton don’t and have never cared about what fans think. This isn’t different to most other clubs. We just seem to think they do because we are a “family club”. What a load of rot that is.

Ready your tin hats, paint brushes and dirty bed sheets. This could get very toxic, very quickly.

Gavin Johnson
1434 Posted 22/06/2021 at 01:21:31
If it has to be the Fat Spanish Waiter then please have a modicum of sense and make it a 12 month rolling contract. If he's that desperate to take the job and prove himself he'll accept the offer! What we don't need is a Big Sam situation when he left after 6 months and Moshiri had to pay out the remainder of a 3 year contract.
Steve Brown
1435 Posted 22/06/2021 at 03:11:25
The Death Star has arrived over Goodison and General Grievous is about to disembark.
Nicholas Ryan
1436 Posted 22/06/2021 at 03:18:57
Moshiri: 'It's all a sad misunderstanding, we were never interested in Rafa Benitez. we were talking to Rafa Nadal'!!
Kieran Kinsella
1437 Posted 22/06/2021 at 03:20:48
Steve Brown

Could be worse. Grievous waving around all those light sabres reminds me of Deulofeu with his step-overs or the sword juggler in Indiana Jones. Then again in this analogy are we expecting him to fail or hoping he will succeed? If the latter then fuck!

What I'll say is this: I don't think Benitez is the answer. But at the same time I don't think Moshiri should make decisions based on a Stars in Your Eyes type public popularity poll. If having sat with the man he and the board are convinced he's the man for the job then they should hire him, regardless of what me and the other malcontents say.

Alan J Thompson
1438 Posted 22/06/2021 at 05:31:16
I've disagreed with some past managerial appointments but have always hoped they would do well but I just couldn't do that for Benitez and if he's appointed then we should demand that the whole Boardroom is emptied out. So much for anybody, never mind the "Super Six", listening to their fans.
Paul Hewitt
1439 Posted 22/06/2021 at 05:58:05
If Moshiri wants Benitez then just get him hired. We need to start preparing for the new season. I'm sure plenty of fans will be very upset by this, and a few dummies will be chucked, but tough.

No-one has a clue if Benitez will be a good appointment or not. I couldn't care less if he managed Liverpool. And as for his 'small club' comment, if that upset you, you really need to grow a thicker skin.

Lester Yip
1440 Posted 22/06/2021 at 07:06:32
Looks like the appointment of manager would have to wait for another week till Euro is close to finish. Then manager/player shuffle begins. For now, just have to wait.

I remember the hype from the media after the appointment of Carlo. Everyone praises the management for that. I think there's no turning back and Moshiri will do something similar. Lure a big name by paying loads of wages, create that dream so better players might buy in and fans too.

Jerome Shields
1441 Posted 22/06/2021 at 07:17:22
Alan #1444,

The Board is dysfuctional anyway.

Jeff Armstrong
1442 Posted 22/06/2021 at 07:34:59
Mirror now reporting talks have continued and Benítez will be announced in the coming days.
Danny O’Neill
1443 Posted 22/06/2021 at 07:43:02
Another day, another dog walk, although they've moved on now and don't listen to me any more.

Some hope there.

Firstly, Lester (1446), we're waiting to see what else is available after the Euros?

Secondly, Jeff (1448), it's the Mirror.

I think I'm clinging on to hope, but deep down know what's coming!!

Rob Young
1444 Posted 22/06/2021 at 07:47:14
Is that the same Mirror that wrote yesterday we walked away from Benitez?
Do you actually need any qualifications to be a football journalist nowadays?
Robert Tressell
1445 Posted 22/06/2021 at 07:49:05
I wonder whether they want to announce the Benitez appointment alongside a couple of new players. Matteus Nunes seems to be signing - maybe they'll have someone else (Dumfries?) lined up at the press conference to sweeten the pill.

That would be a sensible PR move from the club's point of view and might explain the timing.

Colin Glassar
1446 Posted 22/06/2021 at 07:49:09
I agree Danny. This is like waiting to be executed at dawn. You are hoping for a last minute reprieve but deep down you know they’ll soon be coming for you.

Does anyone know why most executions are held at dawn or midnight? Such inconvenient hours. I’d prefer a noon execution if I’m being honest or early afternoon.

Danny O’Neill
1447 Posted 22/06/2021 at 08:00:51
Totally off topic Colin, but as you asked, so just pulled this of the internet:

"The origin of being shot at dawn probably stems from the order that a prisoner be executed on a certain day, usually without delay. As executions pre-date electricity, and most executions were either by hanging or by firing squad, dawn was the first practical time for an executions in this manner".

So practicality!! We will announce our new manager at dawn.

Colin Glassar
1448 Posted 22/06/2021 at 08:10:36
Will he be shot is now the question then, Danny? Favre has now popped into the equation.
Martin Mason
1449 Posted 22/06/2021 at 08:13:11
Benitez is coming!!
Neil Cremin
1450 Posted 22/06/2021 at 08:15:54
Morning Danny
Dang Nick would also be my dream appointment
Tersic No nothing about him
Ten Hag Would worry about translation to PL remember Frank de Boor

We wait and see.
Have a good one

Tony Abrahams
1451 Posted 22/06/2021 at 08:23:17
Is the board really dysfunctional, Jerome, or is it that they have all just got titles, and Everton have a silent owner making all the really big decisions?

I can't see many people being happy, which points to a phantom boardroom, and I'm just wondering who's going to make the statement telling us that Rafa Benitez is the best man for the job?

Odds are Usmanov 1000/1. Moshiri 500/1. Kenwright 150/1. Brands 75/1. Denise 50/1. Sasha 6/1. Duncan Ferguson even money. Benitez himself 8/13.

Trevor Peers
1452 Posted 22/06/2021 at 08:27:20
Definitely Benitez I'd say, Moshiri and more importantly Usmanov have chosen him. No point bitching about it any longer.
Presumably they think he can get us nearer the top six positions, let's just hope he does a good job or he won't last 12 months.
Rob Halligan
1453 Posted 22/06/2021 at 08:29:58
Colin, nothing like a good hearty breakfast before having your head blown off!
Jim Lloyd
1454 Posted 22/06/2021 at 08:30:10
Well, our club is in an bad position and I think that, whoever the club choose as manager, there is a massive, massive decision for the Board to take. And they have to take it after Ancelotti has left us deep in the mire. Even taking a gamble with Duncan as an interim manager is a massive, massive gamble.

I agree with Paul Hewitt (1445) that, if the Board (or Mr Moshiri) decide that Raphael Benitez is the best option available at this time, then I'd back the club. Having said that, I would hope that Marcel Brands has a major say in who is chosen, and also is choosing the players that the manager has to work with.

Looking at the duff players still in our club, getting massive wages and long contracts that we are stuck with, this Summer's transfer window is a massive one for our club, as are the windows for the next two seasons at least.

I'd hope that from Day One, Marcel Brands is buying the players he wants and that it is made clear to the manager before any contract is signed. If Benitez is considered the best candidate to work under these terms, then I think this club can be stabilised. Stabilised, in my view, is Number One priority before we can think of European football.

I think that, from right now (hopefully already decided), the players Brands wants are bought. From what I understand of this Financial Fair Play malarkey, we don't have a big transfer or wages budget. I would think we cannot afford to have interim managers in the hope that we can find a permanent manager sometime in the future.

Ancelotti has jumped ship just after leaving port. For whatever reason, he's gone and we are in the mire! If Benitez can get us stabilised and build up the squad to mean that we don't have to consider playing some of the rubbish we have to depend on, then, if Benitez is chosen, I'll support that manager and team.

Rob Young
1455 Posted 22/06/2021 at 08:44:28
According to The Times nothing has been offered to the Spanish one. Nobody really seems to know. If we're not actually getting someone still involved in the Euro's then this is taking too long and getting ridiculous.

Are the club actually working on signing new players? We need about 10 proper ones Any new manager would need to have a say, surely.

Also, if it is down to Brands, then I am not confident at all of getting the quality in we need. This is the man that keeps saying how well 'our project' is going, despite seeing all our games live! Another apparently with not much of a clue.

Paul Niklas
1456 Posted 22/06/2021 at 08:44:29
"Everton are a family club" What the fuck??? We are no different than any other, Wake the fuck up, please, it's that mentality that makes us a small club. What do expect the board to do? – gather in the fucking parlour, get Grandad to wipe the food off his mouth for a second, take the kids off the Playstation and have a fucking meeting???

JEEZ... who made you believe that it's the same story as the fucking Tooth Fairy? Did you see a fan consultation at Man City for Guardiola? Did you see one at Liverpool for Klopp? No, you didn't... and you never will. Never, Never, Never. Please stop it or the Nasty Blue Union will start believing again they have a right.

Danny O’Neill
1457 Posted 22/06/2021 at 08:45:04
Now you're teasing me, Colin.

Favre would be a good fit. When you look how he turned around Hertha Berlin & Monchengladbach in comparison to what he inherited, you would be inclined to think that's the type of coach we need right now.

And even though it didn't eventually work out for him at Dortmund, he got off to a really good start with them.

But taking over something that needs repairing and re-establishing seems to be his thing.

Still waiting for the inevitable though. Dawn tomorrow.

Mick O'Malley
1458 Posted 22/06/2021 at 08:49:23
Paul Nicklas, why don't you post anything else? Why are you always having a pop at fellow Blues? Can't you understand that some fans just don't want Rafa?
Eddie Dunn
1459 Posted 22/06/2021 at 08:52:04
Jeff 1384, Haha!

The silence is deafening, which means that Everton have either decided on Rafa or are waiting for their prefered candidate to finish the Euros.

Dechamps, Low, Mancini, De Boer, Clarke or Southgate!

Jerome Shields
1460 Posted 22/06/2021 at 08:53:58
Tony #1457,

They are one and the same. Dysfunctional in running the club and there is a faction controlling finance making them dysfunctional in the manager recruitment process. One self-perpetuates the other.

Tony, Brands will be wheeled out with Everton shirt in hand, with Benitez on it, just like he was when Ancelotti was appointed. He got three promotions to do just that.

Usmanov will be sunning his ass off the coast of Sardinia, drink in hand. Moshiri will be in Monaco watching Italian TV with subtitles and no sound. Kenwright will be kicking the walls, wailing like a luvie of his office, veins showing in his fat neck. Denise will be searching her bag for Vitamin E for him. Sasha will be having coffee and Duncan and the stalwarts will be worried about their jobs thinking Bill has lost his touch.

Though, If Moshiri does show, it will be the equivalent of a well-known expletive, with Usmanov's full backing.

Danny O’Neill
1461 Posted 22/06/2021 at 08:54:01
Eddie, please use your edit time frame to delete that last one!!
Jeff Armstrong
1462 Posted 22/06/2021 at 08:54:48
Favre has had positive talks with Palace apparently.
Colin Glassar
1463 Posted 22/06/2021 at 08:55:52
Danny, that’s the issue for the board to solve. Do we want a quick fix to guarantee premier league survival until we get to BMD (Benitez) or do we want a long term, organic appointment who will plan for the future by bringing in younger, energetic players (Galtier, Potter, Martinez) and restructure the club from top to bottom?

Rob, a good hearty breakfast makes everything bearable. I’m going to have one meself now!

Chris Mason
1464 Posted 22/06/2021 at 08:56:17
I think Paul Niklas is foaming at the mouth again.

Thank god he isn’t choosing the next manager.

Colin Glassar
1465 Posted 22/06/2021 at 08:58:44
Jeff, Palace are using Susanna Reid as a sweetener. Who could turn her down?
Danny O’Neill
1466 Posted 22/06/2021 at 09:03:40
No comment on Susannah Reid.

I'm for the latter Colin.

I know we've all been hit for six, but we are not that far off. We could have qualified for Europe on the last day.

I'm all for a builder, but also one that can do a bit of quick fix here and now. Because of my background, I know I'm bias, but right now, you can't go wrong with German coaches. They tend to tick a lot of boxes.

I'm getting optimistic again. Is it too early to go and have a Wetherspoon's breakfast?

Jeff Armstrong
1467 Posted 22/06/2021 at 09:05:23
Good ploy that Colin, I wondered why Simon Jordan was sniffing around her again.
I heard she’s not a beard lover, that’s why Nuno didn’t get the gig!
Christopher Timmins
1468 Posted 22/06/2021 at 09:10:36
My guess is that it's going to happen, put it out there, let the backlash happen, ride out the storm and then when everyone is just exhausted, announce it.

I will be happy to be wrong but, it if happens, I will have to support the decision and give it a full season to see how it works out.

Anthony Murphy
1469 Posted 22/06/2021 at 09:16:35
Moshiri seems like a loose cannon to me - didn't he come out with some cheap shots at the fanbase when Silva was sacked? I may be wrong there. I think he's looking for Benitez to crack the whip but, like in any business, it's often at the very top where it needs someone to speak the truth and be bold. Our footballing mess is the result of several years of mismanagement – so will a no-nonsense football coach solve the problem? Unlikely unless we deal with the problems at the top.
Colin Glassar
1470 Posted 22/06/2021 at 09:19:50
Same here, Christopher. I’m more or less resigned to the fact that Benitez will probably be our next manager.

Pre-season training starts in two weeks time. Then we are off to Disneyland for a mini-competition. By the time the lads get back a lot of the anger and frustration will have quietened down a bit.

I think this is the Moshiri/Usmanov plan ie let the fans blow off a bit of steam and then let’s get on with the real work in August. I don’t like it but that’s what all modern day despots do from Burma to Belarus, from Venezuela to Iran - just ignore the plebs until they get tired and go away.

Kim Vivian
1471 Posted 22/06/2021 at 09:27:10
Paul Niklas - take a deep breath, slow down a bit and proof read your posts before pressing the submit button.
Dave Abrahams
1473 Posted 22/06/2021 at 09:37:49
During the last few years no matter who has been manager they have all failed to bring a spirit and real friendship among the players, this is essential to bring a continuing success on the field, the big mixture of European, South American and British players doesn’t help much with the different cultures creating cliques among the players, I know most English clubs have this mixture of players but it doesn’t stop success with the top ones. It seems to me, at Everton, the players come to training, train, then get changed and go different ways. The manager who can create more spirit and togetherness off the field will garner a more successful team spirit on the field.
Thomas Richards
1474 Posted 22/06/2021 at 09:43:34
Paul Niklas.

It seems to be personal with you and the Blue Union.
What did they do to you?

Julian Exshaw
1475 Posted 22/06/2021 at 09:45:02
IF the reports are true and IF Moshiri does decide to go against the wishes of the majority of Evertonians, I don't see this as being a wise move at all (appointing Benitez). It is either a sign of courage, stubbornness or petulance or a bit of all three. What it shouldn't be is a message to fans saying in effect 'I'm in charge here, I decide who the manager is, regardless what you want'.

As I stated in an earlier post, I am far from convinced that these people know what they are doing or how to go about finding the best coach to take us forward. On the other hand I appreciate that time is moving on and we need someone sharpish. A conundrum.

With regard to Duncan Ferguson. I like him. I have no idea if he can do the job, but with the right staff around him isn't he worth a try? He would at least garner more fan support than there is for Benitez. If Duncan isn't appointed now, you can't help wondering if he ever will be.

Danny O’Neill
1476 Posted 22/06/2021 at 09:45:37
That's a very good point Dave.

The social aspect and connecting outside of the training ground is so important.

I've banged on about not living in the past, but Howard Kendall's nights out in the Chinese restaurant in Southport?

It's a vital aspect of team building in any walk of life. If you only meet up for work, you don't establish the personal relationships that are key to adding benefit to the workplace as you will do anything for each other. The ethos of team work is forged beyond the work place and the training pitch.

Matt Traynor
1477 Posted 22/06/2021 at 09:51:38
Danny #1482, times change. HK's reluctant successor, Colin Harvey, tried to follow the same formula, and it ended up with Keown kicking Sheedy's head in (allegedly) after the manager left them to have a few drinks.

The football workplace - like pretty much any workplace - these days is very different. Why? Perhaps because society itself has changed. People and their expectations are simply different.

Gary Smith
1478 Posted 22/06/2021 at 10:00:10
Well said, Kim, Paul Niklas has gone borderline rabid as he stamps his little feet up and down demanding we 1) accept a kopite who got Newcastle relegated; 2) hang the Blue Union on the banks of his Royal (Red?) Mersey for wanting to stop the Tesco no-frills out-of-town tin stadium; 3) get rid of those annoying away fans and their plebby banners (Nuremberg would be so much more fun without the 6k fans, as I could enjoy my Malbec in peace!).

He's entitled to an opinion, of course, and I'm entitled to mine in believing he's acting like a complete snobby tit. He's also incredibly stupid with it too – imagine believing Liverpool don't have a fans pressure group, and neither they nor Man City bow to fans' pressure on managers. Ffs, lmao.

Danny O’Neill
1479 Posted 22/06/2021 at 10:02:03
I remember those reports, Matt.

I agree, society has changed, but there is still a lot to be said for socialising outside of the workplace to build relationships. Not necessarily on the lash in an old school sense, I agree, but it's important to get to know people outside of work to forge team spirit.

Coming from a military background, there are many ways to do it, but it's so important otherwise, everyone just goes to work and goes home and you never really get to know people properly.

Derek Knox
1480 Posted 22/06/2021 at 10:03:06
Matt @ 1483, always respect your well balanced views, and your last paragraph there is very true, however apart from other enforced changes, I still believe that the exorbitant amounts of money in the game these days is ruining it. It is almost immoral the amount of some of these players are on.

That money has to come from somewhere and sadly the more money there is at the top the less there is at the bottom or grass roots of the system. I know they say genuine talent should be rewarded etc, and that a footballer's life is a short one too, so are many other unsung people in life but their salaries don't reflect the brevity of their careers. Thing is, I can't see it changing for the better.

Barry Hesketh
1481 Posted 22/06/2021 at 10:06:35
It's only the 22nd of June which means Everton has been 'searching' for a new manager for nearly a month, which is nothing when compared to Everton's search for a 'world class' manager back in 1997. The more things change the more they remain the same - let's hope that the coming season doesn't mirror that of 1997-98:

Déjà vu?

Keith Monaghan
1482 Posted 22/06/2021 at 10:09:00
Some of our fans need to take the blinkers off & get in the real world.

The backward-looking & negative attitude all too common on here is an example of what's holding the club back; this contributed to driving top-class players like Lukaku & Stones out of the club, whilst limited has-beens like Unsworth & Dunc are lauded. The similar attitude is evident in some of the comments directed to Paul Niklas in this thread.

Whilst there is clearly a lot of opposition to appointing Rafa, there are many Everton supporters who recognise the man's capabilities & would very much welcome him as our manager.

Rafa Benitez is the outstanding candidate for the job & has the character & mental strength we desperately need - our inability to develop home-grown players for the 1st team & mental weakness has held us back for years. After the failures of the 25+ years since we last won a trophy and the legacy of poor players brought to the club by the likes of Kenwright, Martinez, Allardyce & Silva, there's a big job to be done and it'll not be a quick fix.

WE NEED RAFA TO BE APPOINTED NOW

Danny O’Neill
1483 Posted 22/06/2021 at 10:10:47
That's my fear, Barry. After all of this, we finally exhaust options as no-one wants the job and we try to dress up Duncan as the one we wanted all along, when clearly he isn't – otherwise, that would have been done already.

Embarrassing for the club, embarrassing for Duncan, just as I can't help thinking it was for Howard in 1997.

And could easily end in tears as that season very, very nearly did.

Liam Heffernan
1484 Posted 22/06/2021 at 10:11:51
Our board seem to think Rafa is a great manager; otherwise, they would not go for him. Why then don't Spurs and Crystal Palace think he's a great manager as they are not interested in him. I think they have copped on that his ship has sailed and he would not bring their clubs forward. Why are we the odd one out?
Dave Abrahams
1485 Posted 22/06/2021 at 10:16:23
Matt (1483), it wasn’t the drinks that were the cause of that ‘bit of bother’ it was the beef in the curry that drove Keown crazy, and I bet they all had a good laugh about it the next morning looking back on Kevin’s left jabs and footwork keeping Martin at bay and making him even more crazy and uglier, if that was possible,

Footballers train from 10-00am ‘til around 1-30 - 2-00pm, then have loads of time to spare/ waste, some do extra training, yes even at Everton, most just ‘do one’, if there was a culture, even just a couple of days a week, of getting together and getting to know each other’s lifestyle, not football related, would be better than just coming together for training and nothing else. I wonder if it would have helped the likes of Gary Speed, talking about life’s problems and also good things in footballers lives, doubt if it would do any harm. I bet loads of people on here became good lasting friends with people they worked with.

Annika Herbert
1486 Posted 22/06/2021 at 10:20:48
Keith @ 1488, just exactly what are these characters that Benitez will allegedly bring with him? Failure at Madrid, failure at Milan and an undoubted ability to piss off the owners everywhere he goes apart!

Offhand I can’t think of any young players brought through by Benitez either, though I could well be wrong on that point.

No other club has shown any interest in him whatsoever so I have no idea why you feel he is considered a top target. Yesterday’s man for me and I have no belief he will prove to be anything other than a total disaster. His recent record certainly doesn’t back up the claim he is the right man for the job!

Dump him now, before it’s too late

Rob Young
1487 Posted 22/06/2021 at 10:20:55
Keith #1488 in the real world you want us to go for a manager who's done very little recently and is not on any else's wanted list? Really?

Why is he so qualified? Just for what he did 15 years ago?

Brian Harrison
1488 Posted 22/06/2021 at 10:31:56
Well seems all the final touches to Benitez contract are sorted and now its just a case of whether the announcement is today or tomorrow that Rafa the Red is our new manager. Usmanov/Moshiri hoped that Ancelotti would be the safe pair of hands to take them to the building of the new stadium still in the Premier League. I doubt we will ever find out why Ancelotti jumped ship when he stated only weeks before he wanted to stay and extend his contract, and his son buying a new house only weeks before would suggest something serious must have happened for such a drastic change, and we now know he hasn't gone for the money as reports suggest he is only on half the money at Real that he got from Everton.

When there are still so many good candidates still out there, this appointment of a man who hasnt won anything for a long time and in his last job in China lost more games than he won, makes this appointment bizarre at best.
I know some have posted this morning about Howard bonding the team, by all going for a Chinese in Southport. Well don't expect any team bonding under Rafa the red as both Carragher and Gerrard both say compared to their other managers he was more aloof, and very rarely told them if ever when they had played well.

This new owner or should it be owners of Moshiri/Usmanov have appointed some poor choices, and looks like they are about to make their worst choice ever. They know the majority of Evertonians don't want Rafa the red but their view seems bollocks to them, they will just have to put up with it. When we appointed Allardyce I was embarrassed my club had fallen so far to have to appoint him, but Benitez takes me way past embarrassed, I feel humiliated and deflated. I can only hope and pray that his reign lasts less than Cloughs 44 days at Leeds, that was an appointment that had to fail given Cloughies distaste for everything Leeds stood for, just as Rafa the red has done with us.

Kevin Prytherch
1489 Posted 22/06/2021 at 10:40:45
One of the problems with appointing Rafa is that no matter how well he does here, unless he wins the Premier League or Champions League, he always did better there.

If we win the FA cup, they'll be saying “FA Cup? I remember when he won us the Champions League”.

Forever in their shadow.

Dave Williams
1490 Posted 22/06/2021 at 10:46:03
The analogy with Clough going to Leeds is very appropriate and Rafa really needs to start well with both what he says in the media and in the early games. Will he give youth a chance?

I'm no fan of his but if the owner wants someone to get in there and start sorting out comfortable employees both on and off the pitch as part of a wind of change throughout the club then he has the right man. Rafa doesn't suffer fools, he won't care who he upsets and will not allow sentiment to get in his way. He will be aware of how he will be ridiculed by blues and reds alike if he cocks this up and will be determined to shove it down everyone's throats. It might just work.

I don't see any murky reason for Ancelloti leaving. He was struggling badly at the end of the season and the biggest club in the world asked him to go back. Much as I will always love Liverpool (the city), I know where I would choose to live even if my salary was to be reduced from £12M to £6M a year and my son was left with a house to sell.

Dave Lynch
1491 Posted 22/06/2021 at 10:47:01
Ffs lads.
Have none of you ever...ever said something you have regretted in your life?
I have and my wife keeps reminding me of it periodically, as women tend to do in times of marital disharmony.
If he is appointed and the fans hound him out it will be testimony to our tag of bitterness.
Let's see what he can do if appointed, he wasn't my first choice (Ten Haag was mine).
But this is football, its a mercenary industry.
Brian Murray
1492 Posted 22/06/2021 at 10:50:40
To me it's a bad dream and I'm still hoping Galteri or whoever will be announced. In the meantime, what is Brands doing sitting on his hands? We should have at least three nailed-on transfers close and hopefully at least six going out.
Mark Murphy
1493 Posted 22/06/2021 at 10:51:48
Brian where are you hearing it's a done deal from?
Personally I hope your wrong.
I don't want Rafa.
I will find it very hard to maintain my love for Everton football club with him in charge.
Neil Cremin
1494 Posted 22/06/2021 at 10:54:15
Brian #1494,

I would be interested in your take on the "plenty of good managers out there" (who would be interested in taking on the Everton job).

Barry Hesketh
1495 Posted 22/06/2021 at 10:55:47
The mention of Clough is pertinent in another way too, he'd had success at Derby County and then switched his allegiance to Forest, after his flirtations with Brighton and Leeds. I wonder how many Forest fans were up in arms about that move given his Derby County background, mind you that change was probably welcomed by Forest supporters and disliked by the Derby fans.

Steve Brown
1496 Posted 22/06/2021 at 11:05:58
Benitez will be doomed from the moment he signs his contract. He cannot hope to succeed if such a huge portion of the fan base are hostile and absolutely reject him.

As regards his 'small club' comments, it isn't what he said that matters. It is what is says about his attitude and character that is relevant.

Putting all that aside, on what basis is he being offered the job given his last 5 years have been spent with zero success with Newcastle and Dalian? His track record doesn't warrant him being even considered for a role with a top 10 club in the premier league. This is 2021 not 2011.

Ian Horan
1497 Posted 22/06/2021 at 11:06:16
Rafa if appointed will get my support, Am I happy about him being our manager No!!!!!. Just maybe no one else of any standing is interested. Can't we influence the appointment obviously not, not renewing season tickets or buying merchandise will have very little impact. Ah protests I here you all say, well other clubs aren't going to come together on this like ESL greedy 6. Do we own the club? No, the new modern owners see us all as customers. We are merely here for the ride good bad or indifferent. Surely we are due some good, if Duncan is assistant manager that to me says other candidates didn't want him!! The question then needs to be asked are our board operating on emotion and sentimentality? Because we aint operating as a professional commercially focused football club
Dave Williams
1498 Posted 22/06/2021 at 11:14:42
Steve- on the TW poll 21% have him as first choice. Other polls have him with almost a 50% approval rating. I don’t know how many TW members there are but I’d bet that a fair number of those who haven’t posted will be at worst ambivalent towards it and will wait and see. As usual the most vocal are against him.
I think it will be either an inspired choice and he will really sort us out, or a disaster leaving us with a real rescue job required from someone else. As so many of us have said the problem is a real lack of an outstanding candidate as Spurs have found.
Derek Thomas
1499 Posted 22/06/2021 at 11:16:16
Ian @1503; He'll have to knock me out to even get a draw.
John Raftery
1500 Posted 22/06/2021 at 11:16:17
I see 21% have voted for Rafa in the TW poll. He is second behind Galtier on 40%. Given that Galtier appears already spoken for that leaves Rafa as the candidate with the most support, albeit in a poll which may not be representative of the wider fan base.

I have said previously the club needs a hard headed, hard nosed, thick skinned bastard to get a grip of the squad and deliver stability on the pitch. In that regard Benitez seems well qualified. That must be the priority consideration. Much less important is the warmth of the welcome as he steps out at Goodison for his first match. The warmest welcomes to ‘a new era’ are often followed by the most hostile ‘get out of our club’ and less printable chants a year or so down the track.

In respect of the players the great Dutch coach Rinus Michels once said that he was a unifying force for the national team in that they all hated him. Possibly Rafa might replicate that with our collection of distrait, expensive recruits.

Rob Dolby
1501 Posted 22/06/2021 at 11:19:37
Keith 1488. Nobody hounded Lukaku or stones out of the club. The club accepted massive offers of money for both. We simply couldn't compete with utd or city and still can't. The Ill feeling is that of a fan base scorned. Lescott, felaini, Rooney and Arteta bettered themselves by moving on.

The Ancelotti appointment made people sit up and think that Moshiri was serious until a January transfer window that yielded a championship dud probably was the big warning sign for Carlo to get out of town.

Your calling for Benitez to be appointed will not change anything. We will still sell DCL and Richarleson and fans will say they are limited players but in reality we are no more than a vehicle for Moshiri to launder his and USM fortunes through.

Moshiri doesn't want us to compete at the top table. If he did we wouldn't have a 4 year old transfer record. Top teams are paying £50m for full backs and goalies. We are still moaning over how much we spent on Sigurdsson. We are paying over the top for journeymen with a billionaire owner.

If Moshiri appoints Benitez he will be gone in less time than Silva and Ancelotti then the cycle begins again.

Mark Ryan
1502 Posted 22/06/2021 at 11:24:45
Ian Horan common sense starting to prevail. The season starts in a couple of months and we are sharpening pitchforks like a load of village idiots. " FIND THE MONSTER"
Give him the job. Let Duncan assist him and get on with it. If we are not careful we'll be on the backfoot from the start with Fanny Craddock in charge of the first team
Conor McCourt
1503 Posted 22/06/2021 at 11:31:39
Those speaking of his approval rating being 21% here and only slightly higher in an Echo poll where it was a straight yes or no are missing the point. There are approximately 75% who are totally opposed to his appointment and with numbers like that he will never be accepted and the first sign of indifferent results or performances and the knives will be out.

Other less popular candidates can win over skeptics, Benitez cannot and will never be able to. A car crash waiting to happen.

Mark Murphy
1504 Posted 22/06/2021 at 11:33:10
Finally I agree with Ian (Edwards)
I'd rather have Sam Allardyce.
FOTFT!
Ed Fitzgerald
1505 Posted 22/06/2021 at 11:42:17
A lot has been made of Benitez’s explanation/apology/bullshit (take your pick) over the small club comments he actually said it twice not once in the same interview, so perhaps he never really means what he says?

I think he meant what he said below, don’t you?

"I'll always keep in my heart the good times I've had here, the strong and loyal support of the fans in the tough times and the love from Liverpool. I have no words to thank you enough for all these years and I am very proud to say that I was your manager.

"Thank you so much once more and always remember: You'll never walk alone."

FFS - is the best we can really do appoint a washed up kopite who hasn’t done anything truly noteworthy since being at the RS. I and many Blues I suspect, would have no problem appointing Brenda as his teams play good football and he has been more successful than Benitez in the last 10 years. It’s a madness to pretend it will end well with Rafa in the same way we knew appointing Fat Sam would end in anything other than acrimony.

Never mind the atmosphere if we lose a few games I anticipate a simmering resentment on the 14th of August that will become febrile and toxic if we don’t start well.

Alan J Thompson
1506 Posted 22/06/2021 at 11:54:50
Of course, Fanny Craddock! Now she could throw a few raw ingredients together that would come out smelling lovely, and she came with her own offsider, Johnny. It's the Cook we want, not the Waiter!
Tom Harvey
1507 Posted 22/06/2021 at 11:56:02
I wonder if Moshiri, Bill and Miss Dynamite have been watching how the politicians do it.

They'll keep the Benitez thing going in the press until we the fans are absolutely exhausted of it and give him the job knowing our rage is now blunt?

Derek Knox
1508 Posted 22/06/2021 at 11:56:02
To all of those advocating that Benitez would be the best option for us, pray tell me why? His style of Football is neither good to watch or indeed effective. He did a not bad job at Liverpool, now how long ago was that? What has he done since, apart from inflating his already bloated Bank Accounts?

What realistically has he done since? Let's take Newcastle, a Premiership side who play pretty dire football, didn't he guide them into the Championship? Okay Mike Ashley's tight control of money made available didn't help.

At 61, where will his ambition come from apart from that last bumper pay-off? Can you honestly tell me that he will go all out with our team in any conceivable Derby Match should he be unfortunately appointed? The longer this drags on the more desperate the situation for the Club and the fans becomes ( oh I think we do still exist somewhere) I just wish someone would grow a pair and make a football based decision that will benefit the Club and fans alike. (Not DBB btw)

Paul Tran
1509 Posted 22/06/2021 at 11:57:56
The real truth is that lazy journalists are speculating for clickbait, then backtracking on their previous speculation. for more clickbait. Judging by my Everton social media feeds, it's working well for them.

If I had a recruitment record as bad as Everton's, I'd be taking my time for this one. Managers will want a premium salary & safeguards to deal with five managers' mistakes and no European football.

As ever, the Everton job is one of the best around, for the manager who gets it right. I don't know enough about most of the 'candidates' to have a strong view, but it is fun watching people get wound up over journalism by numbers.

Wait and see. There'll be time to criticise whoever it is when he arrives!

Colin Glassar
1510 Posted 22/06/2021 at 12:00:21
If Rafa can find the next Xabi Alonso I just might, might, get behind him.

What I remember of his last year at Mordor was him buying some really sub-standard Spanish players (can’t remember their names) who even the koppites groaned at.

Tom Harvey
1511 Posted 22/06/2021 at 12:15:56
Colin

That's no way to run a topflight club, hoping for miracles from a manager that's produced produced Zilcho in the last seven years.

Stephen Vincent
1512 Posted 22/06/2021 at 12:31:30
If FSW is appointed I can't see it as anything other than a backward step. At a time when the club desperately needs bringing together he is by far in a way the most divisive of any candidate proposed to date. He seemingly divides the fan base and the board room and should not be countenanced under any circumstances.
Marc Hints
1513 Posted 22/06/2021 at 12:31:50
Colin

I am getting more concerned we are not buying any players more than getting a manager. If we start this season with roughly the same squad we are in for a tough time including a relegation scrap.

Phil (Kelsall) Roberts
1514 Posted 22/06/2021 at 12:40:42
What is Brands doing? Sitting on his hands - obviously.

Why is he not on ToffeeWeb giving a minute by minute or at least hour by hour update and posting on this thread. If he wasn't sitting on his hands he could use a keyboard.

Tony Abrahams
1515 Posted 22/06/2021 at 12:54:08
Barry@1501, although not from the same city, Forest and Derby fans absolutely hate each other, but it’s different when it comes to Cloughie, because such is the respect everyone in that part of the world had for him, they have even invented a cup now, so whichever team wins the fixture whenever they meet, actually take home the Brian Clough cup.

I can’t see this happening with Evertonians and Liverpudlians regarding Benitez, and simply because as much as most Evertonians, hate the man now, if he’s successful at Everton, he will be completely disowned by those superior kopites, because many of them already feel he’s tarnishing his Istanbul legacy by joining Everton FC.

Fuck them, I’m only interested in Everton, and although I’m not sure if this is a good move to be honest, I’ve heard Moshiri, told Kenwright that when he got his own way over Sammy Lee, not joining Koeman, it’s since been viewed as a very bad decision, and the only thing holding up Benitez, is that he had to go out the country for his final meeting with Everton, and his now self isolating, before being introduced as our new manager? (All rumours, of course!)

Howard Sykes
1516 Posted 22/06/2021 at 12:58:08
Everton's total silence just creates an information vacuum that second and third rate journalistic hacks fill with unsubstantiated rumours and nonsense. All of this because the club has taken Trappist vows of silence.
Brent Stephens
1517 Posted 22/06/2021 at 12:59:18
Phil #1520 "What is Brands doing? Sitting on his hands - obviously.
Why is he not on ToffeeWeb giving a minute by minute or at least hour by hour update and posting on this thread."

Phil, I think you'll find that some of the posts on here that are critical of Bill and his secretary (AKA Denise) are in fact Brands posting in disguise. And he's torn between the various do's and don't's on here about the next coaching appointment.

Pat Kelly
1518 Posted 22/06/2021 at 13:03:51
Well said Phil #1520. It's about time someone called Brands out. It's downright disrespectful his not keeping us up to date on the hour on all that's happening. Not to mention telling us (confidentially of course) who our targets are.
Nick Page
1519 Posted 22/06/2021 at 13:10:45
Here’s a question re Brands….assuming he knows the Dutch game inside out why aren’t we looking at a Dutch manager for him to work with and why isn’t our academy and playing staff stuffed full of talented Dutch players? Surely it’s an easy win.
Brian Williams
1520 Posted 22/06/2021 at 13:11:39
All of this because the club has taken Trappist vows of silence.
Is this the same Trappist vow that Spurs and Palace have taken?
Danny O’Neill
1521 Posted 22/06/2021 at 13:17:35
Often wondered that myself Nick.

With Brands, I would have thought it natural for us to look to the Netherlands and then given the close links, across the borders into Germany and Belgium. And, geographically and culturally not that far apart, Denmark.

Really surprised with Brands' nationality we don't look more to north-western Europe. It is brimming with talent and you will pick it up literally for half the price of an over-hyped, over-priced English player.

Barry Hesketh
1522 Posted 22/06/2021 at 13:31:47
Tony @1521
Benitez may find himself in isolation for much longer than the statutory period, if he gets the Everton job - judging by the reaction on here and elsewhere:)
Conor McCourt
1523 Posted 22/06/2021 at 13:48:23
The Trappist vow of silence" funnily enough I haven't heard much from him since he left the Ireland job!!,"The Trappist vow of silence" funnily enough I haven't heard much from him since he left the Ireland job!!,,,1,13:33:25,,185.16.69.87,ok,15697,06/22/2021 13:33:25,consha,reader,,,no 1168422,40925,toffeeweb,22/06/2021,Brian Wilkinson,debrazebra2011@live.co.uk,"Nick@1525, so instead of Steve Walsh, do you reckon Brands would have worked better with Koeman.
Robert Tressell
1524 Posted 22/06/2021 at 13:54:18
Nick (and Danny) it does seem odd that we have done no recruitment business with dutch clubs since Brands has been here (unless I've forgotten some).

That can't have been the plan.

I was also under the impression that Brands would be taking talent direct from South America as PSV were doing under his reign (and long before).

That's not happened either.

This is partly why I began to wonder whether we might appoint someone like Cocu or Van Bronckhorst given they are both out of work.

Lots of good value to be had in Eredivisie and and South America still (indeed whole of Americas).

Stuart Sharp
1525 Posted 22/06/2021 at 13:57:46
I agree Nick. Though the thought of a few more Davy Klaassens doesn't fill me with joy... The players based in the Eredivisie are hard to judge, but Dumfries has certainly caught the eye on the big stage.
Pete Clarke
1526 Posted 22/06/2021 at 13:59:34
Maybe we were waiting for Belgium to get knocked out in the first stage so Roberto could return to carry on being a loser. 🤪

Maybe Nuno just wanted a break and he's gone on vacation to think about it.

Maybe Duncan has been offered the job but decided it was the one battle he didn't want.

Maybe the imbeciles in charge are too busy infighting over the thought of Rafa splitting the fans that they are now shifting through the posts on this very thread.

Maybe we are all a bit foolish for letting these pricks take us all for granted.

Maybe I'll go and watch another sport like water polo or something until this effin club gets its shit together.

Nick Page
1527 Posted 22/06/2021 at 14:00:17
No idea Brian. We bought terribly after letting Lukaku go, overpaid for Bolasie although yet again we got unlucky with injuries. Koeman was a bit aloof anyway but it certainly wasn’t all on him.

If Brands is in charge of this process - which I doubt - I’d be after some decent Dutch talent and like Danny says @1527 costs a fraction of the shite we pay up for here. It just seems so glaringly obvious to use this route, although glaringly obvious is usually lost on Everton.

Kevin Prytherch
1528 Posted 22/06/2021 at 14:01:17
Rob 1507 - did you hear the abuse Lukaku and Stones got?

Lukaku was lazy, only ever scored the 3rd or 4th goals and would never the the top class striker we need. We needed more work from him and simply couldn’t carry him to score goals.

Stones - he’ll never make it as a defender. He should realise that he needs to boot it into row Z every time. He’s too weak, not good in the air and we’d rather than have Ashley Williams - at least he can defend.

Iain Latchford
1529 Posted 22/06/2021 at 14:14:32
It's now being reported (albeit on Twitter) that Favre has held talks with Palace, and will now speak to Everton.
Mark Ryan
1530 Posted 22/06/2021 at 14:37:32
If we'd all got behind Lukaku like we seem to do with Duncan he'd probably still be here. Everyone was slagging him and Stones, never supporting, just slagging them into submission. We're now doing it with Benitez and he's not even signed on the dotted line. We slag Tom Davies, a local lad who does his very best for us. A model citizen but it's not enough for many. Seems like everyone's just in a massive negative mindset all the time.

Cheer up, fellas, we could be playing in red. Up the Toffees!

Danny O’Neill
1531 Posted 22/06/2021 at 14:38:05
I don't care if it's Twitter, Iain, I'm clutching at that one and you told me so. I hope this is true and that as, I've previously hoped, we are casting the net from the obvious list being rolled out by the media.
Rob Dolby
1532 Posted 22/06/2021 at 14:40:43
Kevin 1535. I heard things like that in the pub and on forums. I didn't hear enough at the match to hound out either player. Lukaku is the best striker we have had for over a quarter of a century! United fans moaning about us selling them a lad that looks overweight, lazy and can't trap a ball. He was still their leading goal scorer!

The reality is they got big moves to bigger clubs with more ambition. We buy Stones then Alcatraz. City buy stones then buy le Porte and Dias.
Nobody got hounded out.

Michael Connelly
1533 Posted 22/06/2021 at 14:52:32
The anti-Benitez mob run around erratically with their blinkers on making claims such as:

1. He got Newcastle promoted with a Premier League squad.

In fact only only 3 of the players that started for Newcastle in the 5-1 win against Spurs on the last day of the relegated season, started on the first day of the following Championship season. Wijnaldum, Sissoko, Townsend, Tiote, Janmaat, Taylor all departed, and Cisse, who was on the bench also left.

2. What's he won in the last 10 years, anyway?

He has won the following in the last 10 years:
2013 - Europa League, Chelsea
2014 - Coppa Italia, Napoli
2017 - Championship, Newcastle (not with the premier league squad)

At least do your homework before spouting off.

Ian Horan
1534 Posted 22/06/2021 at 15:00:02
Stuart @1532,

Klaassen is technically a very good footballer. He didn't get a fair crack of the whip here as Kenwright wanted the return of the prodigal son, Rooney. If Kenwright had his way, he would dig up Dixie Dean to play up top.

There has been a lot of money wasted since Moshiri came on board, the one thing you can't critise Moshiri for is financially backing his managers. There needs to be one person calling the player and manager recruitment and it ain't Barrett-Baxendale or Kenwright or Moshiri. Brands should just demand:

"After the last 5-year shit-show, everyone take a step back and let me do what I was brought in to do! Denise and Bill – go and play with your EitC trainset. Moshiri and Usmanov: deliver the stadium... and I Marcel will deal with all things football!!!"

It really isn't that fucking hard!!!

Mike Gaynes
1535 Posted 22/06/2021 at 15:04:04
Finally a rumor with a name I like... Lucien Favre.

Yeah, I know, he's 63. But he made Dortmund SO much fun to watch. Quick, confident, attacking footy. And he won the German Super Cup just two years ago. And he has a great record of developing young talent... most of all the newest Captain America, Christian Pulisic.

Now THIS is a guy I'd like to see on our touchline.

Annika Herbert
1536 Posted 22/06/2021 at 15:05:37
Michael @ 1540, let’s not forget the success Benitez had at Madrid, Milan and Napoli whilst you are singing his praises! A flop at all 3 clubs.

Noted for walking out, if not sacked, then complaining he never had enough money to spend and he has hardly been a roaring success at his latest job has he?

Maybe the pro Benitez mob are the one’s running around with blinkers on?

Jamie Crowley
1537 Posted 22/06/2021 at 15:08:35
I know diddly about Lucien "Brett" Favre. But I just read this from a Yank that does:

Quick, confident, attacking footy. And he won the German Super Cup just two years ago. And he has a great record of developing young talent... most of all the newest Captain America, Christian Pulisic.

I'll take that all day long over the Fat Fuck Never in a Million Years Waiter.

FFNMYW

Bill Gall
1538 Posted 22/06/2021 at 15:09:09
Palace and Tottenham are both looking for managers, how often do they report to one of their fan bases of what they are doing, who they have contacted who they are talking to.

People on here are wondering why haven't we talked to this manager or why haven't we gone to this country for a manager. Is it possible that Brands has talked to a number of people mentioned and they are not interested in joining an unstable club.

We as supporters think that Everton are the greatest thing since sliced bread, and any manager offered the job as manager would drop everything they are doing and come here and sign.

There is no such thing as a perfect fit for any club manager, as there is no guarantee of him repeating the success he had at previous clubs, I am just glad Everton are taking their time to find the best available for a manager, whoever it is.

Danny O’Neill
1539 Posted 22/06/2021 at 15:13:04
Indeed Mike. His record at Hertha was good for a period also, but I think what he done at Monchengladbach will resonate mostly with Evertonians. Pretty much revived a fallen giant and put them back into to top rankings of German football, including Champions League qualification having taken over when they were threatened with relegation.

I hope (that word again) this has some credibility in it.

Jamie Crowley
1540 Posted 22/06/2021 at 15:13:05
Bill -

No one knows what's going on. I'm sure there's been interviews, the proverbial "short list" and some others thrown in.

At the end of the day as long as it's a progressive manager that will work with Brands in an Ajax-lite model and tries to play actual football (non-dour, no pack it in defensive shite) we'll be good to go.

Back to the subject matter of the article, the FFNMYW has ZERO of the qualities I list above. Not a one. So anyone but him works for me.

Jamie Crowley
1541 Posted 22/06/2021 at 15:15:03
EDIT -

I think Benitez actually has occasionally given some young kids a chance in an honest moment.

Still doesn't change my opinion of hiring him as Everton manager.

Iain Latchford
1542 Posted 22/06/2021 at 15:15:51
Favre is still 16/1 with the bookies if anyone fancies a dabble.

I was reading he plays attacking football, develops young players, and doesn't have a big team of backroom staff to bring with him. Surely we'd pay him more than Palace, and obviously Everton are just a far bigger club full stop. I'd be surprised if Spurs weren't monitoring the situation closely too.

Michael Connelly
1543 Posted 22/06/2021 at 15:17:45
More stating the facts than singing his praises, Annika.

And he won the Coppa Italia at Napoli, as I mentioned.

Mike Gaynes
1544 Posted 22/06/2021 at 15:27:19
Danny #1546, I never saw his Monchengladbach club, but I did see his Nice club in the Champions League once or twice. It's Dortmund, however, that matters most to me. I became a huge Dortmund fan the moment they promoted Pulisic to the senior side, and damn they were a blast under Favre. Goals-goals-goals. And won 62% of their games. Last winter they slumped horribly and sacked him, but up to then... oh, my.

Jamie #1544, do NOT call him by that other despised name. I trust I will not have to speak to you about such a transgression again.

John Boon
1545 Posted 22/06/2021 at 15:34:42
Mark (1537)
Agree with you in regards to slagging of Lukaku, Stones and also Davies. Yes it did happen. However all players are liable to get critcized by fans and it is often the best players in any team. Whether they like it or not it is part and parcel of being a professional footballer and most players probably accept the situation. Today they are immensely rewarded financially and also "adored" by those same fans that slag them off.

In the case of "Davies" and other younger players it is often out of line and something that they may have more difficulty in accepting. They have probably spent much of their pre professional life being idolized as a super talent. Reality must step in when they join a "Big" team and realise that there are many players with such talents.

Bill Gall
1546 Posted 22/06/2021 at 15:34:44
Ian 1541 Do you have any solid proof that this is not happening, we are all taking notice of gossip from pundits, ex players and sports writers who at times don't know the difference between their arsehole and elbow.
You do not hire people and promote them and not allow them to do their jobs, I believe Brands is front and center in bringing in the names of people for the managers job and Moshiri and B.K will be at the interview to discuss the applicants contract demands.and how he will manage the playing side with the director of football to assist him, with recruitment and other playing sides of the club from junior to senior levels.
Ian Horan
1547 Posted 22/06/2021 at 16:08:51
BG@1553, I sincerely hope it is happening, maybe its my frustrations booking over. If Brands is driving the football side surely progress on transfers could and should be happening. I think I am just so tired,fatigued and frustrated of all the false dawns
Ed Fitzgerald
1548 Posted 22/06/2021 at 16:09:41
Michael Connolly

Ok so your hero Benitez won the Europa League with Chelsea, big deal it’s not been exactly hard to win things there since 2000 whoever the manager has been. Didn’t Di Matteo win the CL? They have won the league five times and the FA Cup six times in that period also, as well as few league cups wins and three other European triumphs - - so most managers at Chelsea have been successful due to unlimited finances over a protracted period of time. They still let him go though and he was reviled by their fans.

I notice you’re not celebrating his time at Inter or Real? He was successful at NUFC winning the championship - wow! And then kept them in the top flight however Steve Bruce achieved that too,

The last time he really achieved anything of note was at the RS with the ‘jammy’ CL in 2005 followed by the FA Cup the year later. I think if you research his departure at Liverpool you will find it ended rancorously with the board with Benitez letting his lawyers deal with his departure.

Oh and his style of football cautious and negative (in my opinion) and I’m sick to death of watching that at Goodison

James Marshall
1549 Posted 22/06/2021 at 16:11:47
Headlines yesterday: Benitez not going to Everton due to fans backlash.

Headlines today: Benitez close to Everton move despite fans backlash.

I've pretty much lost the will to live where Everton is concerned these days - we could have Pep Guardiola or Mickey Mouse in charge and we'd still be shit.

James Flynn
1550 Posted 22/06/2021 at 16:38:44
Bill (1553) - " I believe Brands is front and center in bringing in the names of people for the managers job and Moshiri and B.K will be at the interview to discuss the applicants contract demands and how he will manage the playing side with the director of football to assist him, with recruitment and other playing sides of the club from junior to senior levels."

This is what's obviously happening. But waaaaaaaay too boring. You'd never get 1,550+ comments out of that.

I'd add once sentence at the end of the above. "And then, Moshiri alone will make the final decision on signing our new manager."

More boring, for sure. No Kenwright side/group/faction, no Mendes and Usmanov secretly pulling the strings.

Tony Abrahams
1551 Posted 22/06/2021 at 16:40:21
Once we start next season, it will be 27 seasons since we won a trophy. I wonder what percentage of our fanbase have not seen us win a cup? 27 fucken years and counting, with the only comfort being that at least Finch Farm, and all the backroom staff are Evertonians in the club that once existed to win.
Clive Rogers
1552 Posted 22/06/2021 at 16:46:52
James, 1556, we’ve already got a Mickey Mouse chairman.
Barry Hesketh
1553 Posted 22/06/2021 at 16:47:02
Just watched Simon Jordan speaking about the manager vacancy and his views on Rafa Benitez.

He said that Benitez is in the Rafa Benitez business, and uses clubs as a stepping stone. Which of and in itself should be a cause for concern for the board, never mind his links with the not so lovable neighbours.

Simon Jordan

Thomas Richards
1554 Posted 22/06/2021 at 16:47:18
A fuckin disgrace Tony.
When I look at the kids at away games its the same faces every time. They never miss.
NONE of them will have seen us lift a trophy.
Michael Boardman
1555 Posted 22/06/2021 at 16:48:26
Brands driving the football side? We get linked with a decent PSV player (who surely he has the inside scoop on, and surely is the whole point of him being here), and we wait for him to have a starring role in a tournament so other clubs can be alerted. and why: in case the new manager doesn't want him? The chairman is busy putting the finishing touches to his new breakout West End play (Gueyes and Michael Balls)? The owner is working out who that Robbie everyone is talking about that he sacked early on? Glad we promoted him to the Board to oversee football operations at an, erm, football club.
Bill Gall
1556 Posted 22/06/2021 at 16:52:46
James 1557 I agree with your last sentence, but I am not sure about the involvement of Usmanov who seems to have an invested interest in Everton. And a person who Forbes listed worth 18.5 billion U/S, who supporters may not like as a person, it would be nice to have that sort of financial backup, that will not be there without some say in how it is spent.
I hope any involvement from Usmanov is directed toward the new stadium.
Conor McCourt
1557 Posted 22/06/2021 at 16:52:56
Michael Connolly ask and you shall get my friend. I did a bit of homework for you as requested.

Firstly you argue he didn't have a Premier League Squad.

Some of the players who exclusively played in the Premier League; Ciaran Clark, Paul Dummett, Jamal Lascelles,Chancel Mbemba,De Andre Yedlin, Jack Colback, Vernon Anita, Matt Richie,Jonjo Shelvey,Isaac Hayden, Mohamed Diame,Christian Atsu,Sammy Ameobi,Dwight Gayle,Ayoze Perez and Alexander Mitrovic. They also signed Grant Hanley a Scottish International who was one of the best defenders in the Championship the previous season. Nine still play regularly in the Premier League with Newcastle if we include Karl Darlow. Three play with other Premier League teams.

Combined cost of the squad was £105 million which was the highest by some distance as were total wages and on a par with many Premier League wages.

Secondly you showed a little snippet but didn't tell the whole story

Inter Milan-took team which won 5 titles and 2nd in the 6 years pre-Benitez to disastrous 6th place finish. They also had a treble before he arrived

Chelsea-arrived at another team who just won Champions League. Won Europa League after getting knocked out of Champions League. Finished third in League which in twelve years they had only finished lower once. Beaten in world club championship and both cups.

Napoli-took over when they finished 2nd (one of five times that decade) He finished 3rd and declined further to fifth. Again this was worst Napoli finish that decade. Did have a remarkable achievement though winning the cup (only twice that decade)

Real Madrid-despite taking over a team who never finished below 1st or 2nd btween 2004-12 Benitez had them in third when he got the sack.

Newcastle-got them relegated then promoted

Dalian Professional- won league in 2017 but after bad season appointed Benitez who took them to 9th then 12th before he left.

So I tried your trick of shouting "but he won the cup with Napoli" over and over again to see if it made his last ten years any better however it doesn't work for me. Every club he went to he left them much worse than when he arrived except for Newcastle where he took over from the wally with the brolly.

Phil (Kelsall) Roberts
1558 Posted 22/06/2021 at 17:00:09
Brands not buying players.

1. Is anybody at the moment?

2. If your manager is Martinez would you not want to buy today's equivalent of Tony Adams and John Terry or Dave Watson? Because you need players to sort out the defence because the manager won't!

When he knows what we need - - then it would help.

Barry Hesketh
1559 Posted 22/06/2021 at 17:03:56
Tony and Thomas, it's a heck of a long time for a club such as Everton to remain potless and it should be a concern for all Evertonians, however, we first have to somehow turn the club into a real competitor for trophies, none of this being satisfied with top-six malarky, where the players believe that will suffice, and even then they fail to even make that target as they predictably fall away at some point in the season.

I want Everton to be able to compete properly and like many, I'm fed up with watching boring, predictable football, with the constant 'mitigating' circumstances being used as an excuse for continued failure. I'll be very patient with any manager that arrives and gets his team to play attractive, committed football, that we can all enjoy watching and that earns plenty of points at home and on the road.

I think another season of Zombie football could have a devastating effect on the level of support that Everton continues to enjoy, People due to covid have realised that there are better things to do with their time than watching multi-millionaires pretending to play football.

Moshiri should have bought 1 or 2 outstanding talents for each season he has been the owner, rather than the failed scattergun approach, looking for perceived value for money, bargain buys. The costs would have been roughly the same, but the rewards may have been shown by now, plus we wouldn't have so many players that will take some shifting out of the club.

Kieran Kinsella
1560 Posted 22/06/2021 at 17:07:32
Michael,

All this anxiety about Dumfries playing in a tournament and us sitting on our hands reminds me a lot of the Sandro Ramirez saga. People were going nuts on here that we were allowing others to watch him in the U21 Euros, rumors of Athletic swooping in etc, all kinds of hysteria. We signed him in the end and he was crap.

The point is, there aren't a lot of players out there who are available and completely unknown that we can surreptitiously tap up before anyone else finds out. Anyone playing for PSV will already be pretty well known to scouts across Europe.

I don't imagine a couple of games versus Ukraine and Austria would inspire any fence sitters to make a move. Logistically it's also difficult to negotiate with a player who is in the middle of a tournament. Beyond al of that, we don't know if Everton really even want him, or indeed as Phil points out whether the new manager would. So just chill.

Steve Brown
1561 Posted 22/06/2021 at 17:16:01
John @ 1506, here is the verbatim quote from the Echo:

"One of the queries simply centred around whether fans would like to see Benitez become the club's manager or not, and those who responded were damning in their verdict.

From over 2,200 answers, 72.4% of those who took part did not want to see the former Liverpool boss in charge at Goodison."

Dale Self
1562 Posted 22/06/2021 at 17:18:18
I was lucky enough to start up with that last season to win a cup and I am not concerned about silverware at this junction for myself. I can see some argument for the younger fanbase and that is much more of local concern since those long faces trudge around town.

The criticism of our style of football is somewhat misunderstood thing that gets laid at the foot of the present coach way too often. We play disjointed football because our recruitment has been to satisfy demands of a carousel of managers. Even if you get quality like Allan and Doucoure there is a risk of those players not fitting the next managerial recruit's system.

This is the struggle of chasing the big money clubs while the money was expanding. That phase may be temporarily over so let's not be too critical of how the ship has been manned through some rather choppy waters. I'm not saying give them a pass, oh no, but we need to get right with the uncertainty with some of these decisions at the time. In this way, turnover at manager is exacerbating the problem. Taking the time to get it right and keeping mouth shut is a proper approach here regardless of how embarrassing the way we got here is.

Mick O'Malley
1563 Posted 22/06/2021 at 17:23:01
Barry@1560 Even John Aldridge the vile kopite thinks we are making a mistake if we hire Benitez
Barry Hesketh
1564 Posted 22/06/2021 at 17:27:46
In addition to my previous post @1566, I just read on Grand Old Team, that Everton hasn't finished higher than 7th for the last 8 years and has had one top 4 finish since 1987-88 (32 years).

If the owners don't have a root and branch reorganisation of the club soon and if they continue to pay huge wages for failure, it'll be another decade before Evertonians will have anything to celebrate.

Michael Connelly
1565 Posted 22/06/2021 at 17:29:25
Ed, take the emotion out of it.

I was stating facts, without actually advocating for Benitez.

My point was that people are spouting off duff information as fact without doing their research in advance. It's a mob mentality against Benitez and much of the mob don't know the full picture.


Brian Williams
1567 Posted 22/06/2021 at 17:46:52
Since we won our last trophy, seven teams have won the Premier League, seven teams have won the FA Cup, and I think it's eleven teams that have won the League Cup (or equivalent).

Saying how disgusting it is since we've won a trophy, when you consider us against the rest of the Premier League, it doesn't really stack up. We're one of 13 teams in the Premier League not to have won the Premier League or the FA Cup. The fact that we won trophies in the '80s unfortunately doesn't mean an awful lot these days. We're round about the top end of the 13 also-rans, and that is us!

Using what I'll admit is loose logic, the only trophy we realistically stand an outside chance of winning is the League Cup.

I think there's only those of a certain age (I'm of that age group) that actually expect us to compete at the very top, and that's because they've experienced it before. Don't get me wrong: I'd love it again, but when you compare us with our actual peers, and not those who used to be our peers, they haven't won anything (if anything at all) for many years either. So why would we?

Ed Fitzgerald
1569 Posted 22/06/2021 at 17:47:11
Michael

If you took the emotion out of it none of us would bother, would we? Following any football club is an irrational business so you shouldn’t be surprised when people disagree with decisions they consider to be harmful to the club they love.

You cannot rationally assume that people who are against Benitez are part of a mob because they have a contrary viewpoint to your own. Both myself and Conor have provided you with plenty of evidence that refute your facts. I have no wish to fall out with any poster on here regardless of their opinion. I do however comprehend the level of anger and disbelief that many Evertonians are feeling at the thought of Benitez being appointed.

Kim Vivian
1570 Posted 22/06/2021 at 17:55:13
Henrik - made me laugh (much needed) that first para. Thank you. Many a true word...

Now back to the gloom room.

Barry Hesketh
1571 Posted 22/06/2021 at 17:58:31
Brian @1574,

I agree that most of our age group are probably more demanding than the younger element, but all age groups would surely want to see some good football in the process and at least see some signs of progress, given the huge amount of money that has been splashed in recent years. It's not necessarily the silver that I want, it's the idea that we have a team that can compete, at least in the cups, even when they face one of those clubs who win stuff.

Kieran Kinsella
1572 Posted 22/06/2021 at 18:04:10
Henrik

Good post. The chances of getting a universally popular manager: zero

Kim Vivian
1574 Posted 22/06/2021 at 18:15:29
Thomas - I think they'll let it run, then there will be an almighty scramble of nonsense and tactical posting as we all try and be number 1878.
Thomas Richards
1575 Posted 22/06/2021 at 18:17:56
😁

I was thinking along the lines of the passion the subject has built Kim

Danny O’Neill
1576 Posted 22/06/2021 at 18:18:43
I like your shout on Hjulmand Henrik @1573. That tends to lean towards some of the suggestions I've been coming out with.

I'm a demanding Evertonian Barry but I am also realistic alongside that.

In living and memorable history, I have been fortunate enough to witness and watch us win 2 league titles, a European trophy and 2 FA Cups. My son was alive when we won our last trophy, but was 5 months old. He's seen nothing other than averageness and the od decent team. His highlights being the United Semi Final, the penalties against Chelsea and a taste of Europe.

I get the generation demand and expectation thing and understand it. Fortunately (well I think it's fortunate), he's inherited my expectations as he's listened to me enough over the years, so his bar is as high as mine.

These things can turn quickly. We saw that in the early to mid 80s and if you'd have told a City fan in 1999 where they'd have been several years later they'd have laughed you out the room.

I have no idea why, but I'm being optimistic. Some will say I'm probably finally going mad.

Brendan McLaughlin
1577 Posted 22/06/2021 at 18:19:32
Kieran #1579,

We probably have only ever appointed "universally, popular managers" very rarely. Howard Kendall 1 & 2 and Joe Royle. Ancelotti probably the closest non-Evertonian.

No doubt given my tender years I've missed out names from our more distant past.

Tony McNulty
1578 Posted 22/06/2021 at 18:21:37
Henrik,

There were plenty of "emotions and feelings" during our last ten games last season.

The trouble was, these emotions and feelings were manifest amongst the supporters, and seemed to be completely absent amongst most of the players.

I suspect you are implying that the individual concerned is a little too "soft." Perhaps a counterweight for someone else, who is already close to the action?

I hope the decision is made soon: I am spending too much time signing on and off "NewsNow Everton." I suspect I am not alone.

Kim Vivian
1579 Posted 22/06/2021 at 18:24:24
I realise that, Thomas. I remember one over 1000 (I foget the topic) but not one this long. Speaks volumes.
Bill Gienapp
1580 Posted 22/06/2021 at 18:34:23
Henrik (1573) - don't forget, no sackings on his resume. If you've ever been sacked for any reason, you must be a loooooooooooser.
Michael Connelly
1581 Posted 22/06/2021 at 18:46:24
Ed,

I think Moshiri needs to leave emotions aside when looking at the best candidate for the job.

And, I am stating facts, as opposed to being an advocate for Benitez.

Conor,

Some comments on your post (1564).

1.
'He lost 7 of his best players when he was relegated' is a more accurate statement of my intent. Granted, he bought a dozen or so new players in the following season, but since when has that guaranteed success? We would have had a few champions league appearances over the last 5 seasons if net spend brought you success.

2.
Yes, Chelsea won the Europa League after getting knocked out of Champions League. Just to clarify, it was Di Matteo that was responsible for them getting knocked out of the champions league, not Benitez.

3. Finished 3rd in league in which 12 years they had only finished lower once.

Yes, but that just happened to be the season before he took over, when they finished 6th under Di Matteo.

4. Did Napoli not finish 4th in his last season there?

Soren Moyer
1582 Posted 22/06/2021 at 18:47:56
Agree Mike (1542). If we can't get Galtier, Lucien Favre will be the next best option as he is from the same ilk of coaches.

Jamie (1544). Lucien Favre has been discussed thoroughly before hiring Fat Sam lol. Ask Steve Ferns.

Christy Ring
1583 Posted 22/06/2021 at 18:49:33
Conor #1564 Nice piece, Very thorough cv of Rafa, and Keith Monaghan said earlier, the most outstanding candidate?
Ian Burns
1584 Posted 22/06/2021 at 18:53:28
Brendan - 1584 - even Harry Catterick was a most unwelcome appointment by John Moore’s as he had sacked the very popular John Carey which was a shock to the system at the time!
Brian Williams
1585 Posted 22/06/2021 at 18:58:46
Barry#1578
Agree mate, 100%
Rob Halligan
1586 Posted 22/06/2021 at 19:15:45
Thomas, # 1580. Post # 748 is an absolute joke, have you seen it?

Cue everyone scrolling back to # 748!! 😁😁😁

John Boon
1587 Posted 22/06/2021 at 19:19:41
May not have won much in last twenty seven years but only four years out of the top flight since 1878 ain't too bad. Mind you it is hard to enjoy trophies which were won before you were even born. I have great empathy and admiration for all younger supporters. If this "Manager" saga continues we may win a Trophy before one is appointed. Actually I would hope we could sign a "magician" instead of a manager. We need one !!!
Rob Halligan
1588 Posted 22/06/2021 at 19:19:52
How scary is that. Post # 748 was just a number I plucked out of thin air. I didn't know it was one posted by Thomas!! 😳😳😳.
Mark Murphy
1589 Posted 22/06/2021 at 19:26:25
the chances of getting a universally popular manager: zero"
But I can't think of a more unpopular manager.
To hijack someone else's diatribe - I'd have Allardyce before him!
,"the chances of getting a universally popular manager: zero"
But I can't think of a more unpopular manager.
To hijack someone else's diatribe - I'd have Allardyce before him!
,,,1,19:21:40,,92.16.168.184,ok,18777,06/22/2021 19:21:40,markmurphy,reader,,,no 1168502,40925,toffeeweb,22/06/2021,Conor McCourt,mccourt.conor@googlemail.com,"Michael in fairness you accused me of "spouting off", I showed why I disagreed with you so now I would ask you not to be a twat in arguing for argument sake. I gave you a comprehensive (without Labouring over stuff) of his achievements and failings.

If you want to be pedantic; on another thread I stated that they MOSTLY didn't qualify from the Champions League because of Di Matteo. My point was that they were in the Europa League due to failure for an Abramovic side who were usually competing for major honours. As for your point about sixth, they were only FOUR points off top when he took over early in the season.The third place finish was entirely down to him. He did finish fifth with Napoli.

You have suggested previously he has been a success;
He managed four clubs where preseason it was either a certainty, probable or in Napoli's case possible to challenge for the title and he didn't come close with one, he didn't even compete.
At Inter he was a complete disaster and poor at Real. Imagine if City were sixth next season.
At Chelsea and Napoli he had really poor league campaigns in comparison to how they operated under other regimes. He did however win a substandard cup for Chelsea( normally weren't in that competition) and his excellent cup achievement with Napoli (though favourable draw beating fiorentina in final)br>At Newcastle he was average and Dalian he was poor.

I repeat one excellent achievement, quite a few horrors and a few so so's. For the level of clubs he managed it is really poor fare.


Tom Harvey
1590 Posted 22/06/2021 at 19:26:46
Michael Connelly @ 1540

The season the barcodes were relegated, Rafa didn't perform a Sam Allardyce miracle that Sam did with us?

I'll accept the Chelsea Europa win, but even I could have taken that Chelsea team to a Europa win, it was that good. Chelski sacked him they could see the fans would never accept him and it wouldn't surprise me if they thought he wasn't up to the job of winning the Premier League and Champions League having had a close look at him.

As for the domestic Italian cup, they treat it like we treat ours, nice to have but not essential. The league and European places are now the most precious prizes managers are judged by.

China? Let's not go there eh?

He's done nothing in the past seven years, his star is rapidly fading.

Everything I've said is based on his recent performance, the "small club" thing has pissed me off yes, but I'm not spouting and there's no blinkers on.

If you want achievement get the French guy in, he's just won something big and it was yesterday.

Bill Carlen
1591 Posted 22/06/2021 at 19:35:55
I have never seen such garbage from so called Everton supporters who think they are experts at what is required at the club .Many of them are self opiniated, biased and so expert why aren’t they employed professionally? Most Evertonians I know wouldn’t dream of of coming on Toffeeweb. They are appalled at the foul vitriol that is being spouted.They are giving the cub a bad name
Kim Vivian
1592 Posted 22/06/2021 at 20:10:41
Bloody hell we are even comparing Sam Allardyce to Jesus now - "The season the barcodes were relegated, Rafa didn't perform a Sam Allardyce miracle that Sam did with us?"

How low can we get.

Soren Moyer
1593 Posted 22/06/2021 at 20:25:21
Henrik (1573). Good post my friend. I'm with you on both Potter and Hjulmand (the wheel man in Danish😀). I think they will do our club good. So we already have these 2 + Favre and maybe Galtier (if we can get him) on top of our list of candidates. Other names are just not good enough.
Tony Abrahams
1594 Posted 22/06/2021 at 20:30:02
As for domestic cups they treat them like we treat ours, nice to have but not essential, just sums up how good of a job the saviour did. A better owner we couldn’t wish to have, especially when you consider that we are usually near the top of THE FUCKING ALSO-RAN LEAGUE.
Brian Murray
1595 Posted 22/06/2021 at 20:33:46
Maybe time to stop putting us on more of a downer and remove the waiter pic. Think outside the box Marcel and tell teary arse he has a bar tab for life and shut the fck up.
Michael Connelly
1596 Posted 22/06/2021 at 20:52:40
Conor,

Not arguing for the sake of arguing. I merely made some valid comments on your post. If you put up a lengthy post, you leave plenty there to be scrutinised and commented upon.

I wouldn't revert to labelling someone a twat on these pages, but go ahead if it makes you feel better.

As I have said more than once, I'm not advocating for Benitez; just trying to state the facts and counter a lot of the misinformation that is being posted.

The inherent anti-Benitez bias is clouding a lot of the posts, and your 'poor fare' comment in your last paragraph seems to put aside the fact he's won 8/9 major trophies excluding poxy one off super cups. (Cue the 'yeah but that was 15 years ago etc' comments)

I could respond more to your last post, but I will choose not to.

Mark Murphy
1597 Posted 22/06/2021 at 21:01:06
Soren - I used to work at Hadsten Hjul Fabrik.
Makes you think...
James Flynn
1598 Posted 22/06/2021 at 21:03:36
Simon Jordan?? Goodness
Soren Moyer
1599 Posted 22/06/2021 at 21:11:40
Mark (1605), Nice one. Been living in Århus for a few years myself. So not far from where you were living 😉.
Mark Murphy
1600 Posted 22/06/2021 at 21:12:08
"The inherent anti-Benitez bias is clouding a lot of the posts,"
That's because he's a fcuking gobshite FFS!
"Every fcuking one of them"!
That's what we sing and that's what we believe.
Someone else said
"I'd rather die with our history than live with theirs" and I totally agree.
They've won more tin than us - if that's what matters to you you probably should change your colours.
Fcuking Gobshites - I despise them.
Andy Crooks
1601 Posted 22/06/2021 at 21:13:17
Just out of interest, is there any one of the talked up candidates whose appointment would make you temporarily walk away from Everton? Pissed off and gutted at Moyes or Martinez. Dismayed at at Benitez, sick at Southgate. I have stopped fretting, because whoever it is, I will be right behind him. Probably right up to the first poor show. The new man will need time. Late September at least.
Mark Murphy
1602 Posted 22/06/2021 at 21:22:48
In case it wasn't already obvious Andy I would walk away if Rafa is appointed.
You can all call me small minded, bitter whatever as you like but I have supported Everton for 50 years and the day we become like THEM and sell our souls is the day we lose our identity. Kopites are Gobshites - not friends!
If boys pen Bill stays on if this happens then he's finally 100% demonstrated he is full of shit.
Brendan McLaughlin
1603 Posted 22/06/2021 at 21:26:53
Andy #1609
"Pissed off and gutted at Moyes or Martinez"
"Dismayed at Benitez"
"You sick at Southgate"
I know your hearts in the right place but you can't be selling your alternative religion thing on ToffeeWeb!
Tom Harvey
1604 Posted 22/06/2021 at 21:46:42
Kim Vivian @1600

No Kim, it's you who is comparing Sam to Jesus?

I'm comparing an "Allardyce" miracle relative to a Benitez one that didn't happen!

Conor McCourt
1605 Posted 22/06/2021 at 21:58:21
Michael you are backtracking enormously. Many including me were arguing that Benitez hadn't achieved much to note since his Liverpool days and that he won promotion with a Premier League quality squad.

For some reason you took exception and were quite dismissive and a little forthright with others who disagreed with your point of view. In the first point I wasn't saying whether promotion was success or not just highlighting that it was essentially a Premier League quality squad. On the second point you only showed successes (yet Martinez also won promotion and a cup with clubs like Wigan and Swansea) and so I presented to you his entire CV in context over the discussed period.

In your last post you resorted to try and find minor inaccuracies (some weren't actually and your only argument was essentially that Chelsea may have been slightly better than I gave credit for) rather than admitting that I had a fair argument in coming to the conclusion I did even if you feel I am on the harsher side. I apologise for offending you by the use of that word but was talking about behaviour rather than a personal attack on yourself. Regardless I take that back and had no need to bring into the discussion.

Finally annoyed that your cherry picked view of his regime was dissected in context with the resources at his disposal you have now resorted to speaking of his successes at Valencia and Liverpool which have nothing to do with your initial argument and a period for which we can all agree upon. I will also leave it there also as I don't wish to harbour the point any longer.

Brendan McLaughlin
1606 Posted 22/06/2021 at 22:04:35
Mark #1610
It's always darkest before the dawn...hang in there for another 50!
Barry Robson
1607 Posted 22/06/2021 at 22:07:51
I fucking hate LFC. I cant bear to be in the company of red shite supporters. However my Everton employing Benitez will not mean I walk away temporary or otherwise.
Neil Copeland
1608 Posted 22/06/2021 at 22:12:46
Brian #1615, spot on.

Anyone wishing to give up their season ticket please let me know and I will gladly take it off your hands. Be great to get my daughter to the games.

Mark Murphy
1609 Posted 22/06/2021 at 22:13:34
Soren - I lived in Randers - home of the mighty Freya! Jeg elske Aarhus - studied den Dansk Sprog there. Also saw "stop making sense" by Talking Heads at Aarhus cine. Good memories - great beer, biksemad, leverposteij and labskaus, frikkedeller, og rod kol med flode.
gonat og sov godt!
Har du god.
Mike Gaynes
1610 Posted 22/06/2021 at 22:13:42
Rob #1595, I now have carpal tunnel syndrome in my scrolling forefinger for no reason, and it's your fault.
Mark Murphy
1611 Posted 22/06/2021 at 22:19:47
Barry - then your a more Christian man than me. But not a bigger blue.
Neil - if I had one you could have it but I live in the south - I'm one of those thousands you see at away grounds. In future I'll stay in the pub outside the ground - the game will only spoil the day out!
Brendan - I'm sure you mean well but it's so dark I can't read your post!
Koppites, including Rafa, are Gobshites.
Jamie Crowley
1612 Posted 22/06/2021 at 22:22:31
Andy Crooks at 1609.

No. Not a one of them. I'm staying no matter who's appointed.

But I will bitch to the high heavens continually if Rafa is appointed. I'll say things like, "I'm done." and a bunch of similar garbage. But I'll stay.

I will be dismayed beyond anything I've ever experienced as a fan if Rafa is appointed. Put that on the record as a non-hyperbole response.

Neil Copeland
1613 Posted 22/06/2021 at 22:23:10
Mark, “the game will only spoil the day out”, ha ha - sounds like just another season to me! Enjoy your beer.
Jamie Crowley
1614 Posted 22/06/2021 at 22:24:35
Mike -

This is post 1621. You have carpal tunnel due to the immense amount of posts, no matter how long 1595 is!

1595 is a drop of piss in an ocean when it comes to this thread!

Ian Pilkington
1615 Posted 22/06/2021 at 22:53:19
I really can’t understand all the enthusiasm for Galtier.

He was 43 by the time he stepped up to become head coach at St Etienne, winning the Coupe de la Ligue once during his 8 years with them.

He went on to manage Lille and in his fourth season won Ligue 1, a significant achievement considering the domination of PSG, but a singular one.

After resigning at Lille he appears to be about to join Nice who finished 9th;
others have suggested he speaks very little English and my conclusion is that at the age of 54 he lacks serious ambition.

Based purely on their respective managerial records, Benitez is streets ahead of Galtier.

Soren Moyer
1616 Posted 22/06/2021 at 23:05:27
Mark, Sounds like you've enjoyed your stay over there my friend. Det er skide godt man 🙂.


Winston Williamson
1617 Posted 22/06/2021 at 23:10:43
Mark 1610: I could just about stomach Benitez for a few months if it resulted in Kenwright walking away! (Only joking of course).

I totally agree. When he went to Chelsea, I disliked Chelsea, even though I’d previously had no feelings towards them. Same with Newcastle.

Anyone who is loved by that lot is not welcome. It just couldn’t feel right! He won them the CL ffs. He had that shower of shite dancing in the streets. He contributed to their “6 champions leagues’ bullshit. Fuck him and fuck Everton if they appoint him

Bill Gall
1618 Posted 22/06/2021 at 23:21:25
Do not understand the complaining we are Evertonions we were born to suffer unless the stars were aligned and you were around for the Catterick years 1961-1973 or the first Kendall years 1981-1987, 2 of the more successful managers, even though someone who's wife would not let him have a bedsheet wrote on Kendall's garage Kendall out.Think of what we had after that, Walker. Smith, Moyes with back ups Harvey and Royle in between them. And now the ones that have gone including Fat Sam.
They use to say before it became fashionable, You could tell an Evertonian because at a young age he was tearing his hair out, or his hair was going grey in his early twenties.
Do not give up on the team if they hire Benitez you have been through worse times.
Laurie Hartley
1619 Posted 22/06/2021 at 23:26:11
They better hurry up because we need a new right winger and right back that have to be integrated into the squad and that also suit the new manager. The clock is ticking.
Ian Pilkington
1620 Posted 22/06/2021 at 23:40:31
Bill@1636
Add Gordon Lee to that misery list, after a good start he went on to produce some of the most boring football I can ever remember, matched by the dreary drone of his Black Country accent.
Paul Birmingham
1621 Posted 22/06/2021 at 23:46:55
Everton, I’m in for the penny, pound, and life sentence, which frankly the later, it is.

But I’ll never give up on my Blue Everton, blood line.

The pain, is immense in terms of lack of success, in the last 3 decades, but must hopefully contribute soon to a turn around in fortunes. ( famous last words)

UTFT!

Bill Gall
1622 Posted 23/06/2021 at 00:14:52
Ian 1628 Before Lee,, I had a petition signed by over 80 season ticket holders that we wanted Bingham out, to the club,and they replied that' they were satisfied with his performance. I think he left at the end of that season.
Alan J Thompson
1623 Posted 23/06/2021 at 04:59:53
Would I walk away if Benitez is appointed? I don't know but the possibility has, for the first time ever, crossed my mind.
Laurie Hartley
1624 Posted 23/06/2021 at 07:06:15
Alan J # 1631 - no you won’t - not even if Rafa is appointed. Once a Blue always a Blue - that’s the way it is.
Danny O’Neill
1625 Posted 23/06/2021 at 07:20:16
None of us are walking away. We can't. Well I can't and will never be able to.

I was dismayed at the appointment of Allardyce. I hated every minute he was our manager and couldn't wait to be rid.

But I didn't walk away and I wanted us to win every game he managed.

We are the one, if only, consistency in our club and are going nowhere.

Tony Abrahams
1626 Posted 23/06/2021 at 07:37:22
I won’t walk away Andy, but as Alan J says, it’s probably a thought that is crossing the minds of many Evertonians, which just shows how big of a decision bringing Benitez to Everton, really is.

I’m not interested that he’s been at Liverpool, I’m not interested that he called Everton a small club, in fact if he does well at Everton, then I’m sure it will be a case of “he who laughs last” but if he doesn’t? It’s not even worth thinking about, especially because my only real concern is that Rafa Benitez’s teams have never really been that easy on the eye.

But eleven years of Moyes, plus Walter Smith before him, and coming this side of Moyes, three years of Martinez, 1.3 years of Koeman, 0.7 months of Allardyce, 1.6 years of Silva, and 1.6 years of Ancelotti, and you can count the scientific football Everton have played at around 12 months, in the last 300 months, or one season in the last 25 seasons, and they have also not even put one trophy in the cabinet, during all this time, which is the much bigger disgrace or laughing stock, in my opinion. So if Benitez gets the job, I just hope it’s an ex-red, who stops those bastards over the park, making banners that go up in number every year.

Jerome Shields
1627 Posted 23/06/2021 at 08:21:41
I am resigned that radical change at Everton is a long way off.

I also want this change to maintain the ethos of Everton where the football is offensive and relentless. Everton are a Club that at their best are a traditional English Club. Catterick , Kendall 1 were the epitome of this. Since then, Harvey showed signs, Royale's Cup run and Silva's end of season are the only times that Everton looked anything like it, for me.

You can't just bring in a Manager and hope for the best to achieve this, or bring in change by trying to tinker with what already exists. Everton finished 10 th because there are multiple under performing areas, which are unaccountable. Whats more a new Manager won't change this.

The first problem is main shareholder is not interested in running the Club. He thinks he can initiate change by appointing the Manager.

Those that run the Club and do not appoint the Manager think that radical change is not needed and the people throughout the Club are doing fine. They will protect these positions and even enhance them.

The backroom staff and players think that all they need is a Manager that suits them.

A large percentage of the fans want a Manager according to their allegiances.

No one seems interested in running the Club properly or has a accountable idea how to do it.

Tony Abrahams
1628 Posted 23/06/2021 at 08:28:53
Kendall and Royle, were both pragmatic imo, whilst Harvey and Silva, both seemed more suited to coaching, but that sentence about radical change not being needed does seem very appropriate Jerome, because it does seem more important to stress how much everyone of them are Evertonians, which must be the second best thing if you can’t actually be a winner.
Dave Abrahams
1629 Posted 23/06/2021 at 08:46:20
All this hate Benitez, hate Kopites, hate this, hate that, come on, I’m out in a few minutes to enjoy a few hours in Wales, lovely country, hate the bastards who live there!!
Dave Williams
1630 Posted 23/06/2021 at 09:02:59
Just as you think things can’t get any worse the papers report we are willing to sell Richi and DCL!!!
Richi maybe for a big fee but not DCL- we could really struggle if this happens!
I am now really worried and like those above can’t just switch off.
Where’s my pills??
Brian Murray
1631 Posted 23/06/2021 at 09:03:07
I’m totally convinced that just a tweak in the changes at boardroom level, ( may take a crowbar and some honest awkward calls ) and this club with its fan base second to none will be a force even before bmd. Need a campaign started, free bill and ms dynamite ! They will thank us in the end. Ask any arsenal fans that after David Dein left they have had no proper sensible leadership. Ditto the toffs. At the moment we have a perfect storm with a very gullible owner who keeps listening to the wrong people and it’s going to end in relegation sooner or later. No matter who gets the job.
Danny O’Neill
1632 Posted 23/06/2021 at 09:06:56
I'd say in the context of at the time, Colin Harvey as manager was not great. That may sound harsh, and I'm not being provocative, but he took over the Champions and finished 4th, which then was considered disappointing at best. Akin to Moyes taking United from 1st to 7th given that then, only the champions qualified for Europes top competition (even though they couldn't because of the obvious, but just providing the context). I can't recall and haven't looked, but I think we faired even worse the following season.

Yes, there were other circumstances, but for me, Colin was very much a coach, and a very, very good one. Ironically, I believe he'd have worked better under a Director of Football had we had that model back then. Fantastic coach both at first team and youth level, Evertonian to the hilt, who commands the respect of all generations of us, but not really a manager in the traditional English football sense. I would say the same about Martinez. I was never convinced about Silva. I'm not obsessed with overt passion from the sidelines ala Klopp, but he just seemed to be too withdrawn and passive the other way in my opinion.

Whereabouts in Wales Dave? I spent 4 years in Pembrokeshire. Beautiful part of the country. Once you endure the drive to get there that is!!

Brian Murray
1633 Posted 23/06/2021 at 09:11:31
Dave post 1638. I’m fine with losing our best players as long as we do the un Everton thing and we have players lined up who will make us stronger ( see shiesters counthino transfer ) hate to use them as a yardstick. A reactive club like ours I might as well be speaking Chinese. Hope I’m totally wide of the mark andBrands has all this plan b c and d.
Danny O’Neill
1634 Posted 23/06/2021 at 09:17:30
It is indeed nauseating to use them Brian, but it wasn't just Coutinho. Their business model is an example of how to, well, do business in the transfer market. Most of the time. They did have that year when Dalglish seemed to buy Southampton for over-inflated prices, which didn't work out well.

Feel sick. But it's true.

Kim Vivian
1635 Posted 23/06/2021 at 09:17:31
1638 - Really...?

Why in the name of all that's holy would we be saying this. What 'papers' are making this claim. Nothing on the BBC gossip page and that normally hoovers up every bit of click bait that's been dropped.

Every club would be 'willing' to sell their players - like, would PSG accept £250m for Mbappe for instance? - but I'm quite sure we wouldn't be saying this to random newspeople. I'm not saying there isn't interest but if we were to let Richie and DCL go with a frigging good replacement lined up?

Well... welcome to the championship.

Colin Glassar
1636 Posted 23/06/2021 at 09:18:00
Personally, I’m becoming bored with this managerial saga. Just appoint Bobby Robson and get it over with!!

As it’s gone on for so long I’m starting to think they’re waiting for one of the euro managers to become available eg Martinez, Mancini, Luis Enrique, Low, Deschamps etc….before they unveil him.

Danny O’Neill
1637 Posted 23/06/2021 at 09:22:01
I'm optimistically with that Colin.

I just think, like Nuno, like Duncan, this would have been done now if they really wanted it.

I'm going to use the hope word again, but maybe they are sounding out other options.

Paul Traill
1638 Posted 23/06/2021 at 09:30:12
I've a bad feeling about today. The silence from David Prentice, Phil Kirkbride, Greg O'Keeffe, Alan Myers et al on Twitter is deafening, which tells me either a) (hopefully) they have no idea; or b) (worryingly) they have been informed and have been asked to keep it under embargo for now.

Please don't do it Everton. I won't be coming back if Rafa is in charge.

Colin Glassar
1639 Posted 23/06/2021 at 09:34:50
Paul, it’s probably A) They haven’t got a clue! They’ve trumpeted the imminent appointment of Nuno and Benitez before only to end with egg on their face. They are probably as much in the dark as we are waiting for Uncle Allisher to pick his man.
Laurie Hartley
1640 Posted 23/06/2021 at 09:35:49
Dave # 1637 - there’s plenty of Evertonians in Wales or at least there used to be. They used to arrive at Goodison in the bus loads in the sixties after passing through the place where I was born on the other side of the river 😉
Jim Lloyd
1641 Posted 23/06/2021 at 09:37:02
If Brands has been included in the choice of Manager; and that decision is Benitez is the best available for us to take us through the next 3 or 4 years, then Benitez is the best available.
I really like that lad from Brighton and would have hoped he'd get the job but this club has to consider massive rebuilding of a dysfunctional squad and I'll support the club's decision and support the manager and the team.

All this bitterness against a man, because he was a successful Liverpool manager, and done well at other clubs, is self defeating. If he's picked and we take a stance against him, as we did against Alladyce, then the consequences for the club we support are enormous.

I saw Carey replaced by Catterick we won the league mainly with Carey's team but not before Catterick got rid of Bobby Collins and replaced him with Stevens. Bobby Collins became footballer of the year while Stevens became just another player. Great day against Fulham at home when Roy Vernon got a hat trick and we got crowned Champions at home...brilliant.
And I was lucky enough to be at Wembley when we won the cup in 66, a brilliant day, when the players decided at half time that they'd forget Cattericks orders and just play their game and what a comeback!
The thing was though, I couldn't stand Catterick, the miserable bugger. And at the same time, Liverpool under Bill Shankly were making a legend for themselves. If we'd have have had a chance of getting Shankly in the Sixties I'd have been made up to get him, not just because of his success as a manager but how he made a dynasty at that club, and a reputation throughout Europe for their club, while misery arsed Catterick made us also rans.

Of course, that's just my opinion but that what us fans do, we make judgement about the manager and the team and... coming back to now.

For the net 2 or 3 years we have got to have a manager (and Director of Football, I assume) woerking to get some bloody semblance of a TEAM of palyers who will play every match at full speed and play as though they intend to win; and not play as though couldn't be arsed to sweat!

If it's Benitez who is picked then that's the job, then he's been considered as the best available for the task. I don't think we can afford, as fans, not to back whoever the club pick. That's if we love the club.

Paul Hewitt
1642 Posted 23/06/2021 at 09:37:40
Looks like big Al has told his mate Moshiri to appoint Benitez as manager. Now we know who really owns the club. Announcement soon.
Dennis Stevens
1643 Posted 23/06/2021 at 10:10:52
Some interesting points, Jim #1649. Although, I think what would have been interesting would have been if, after the team, & Catterick himself, went into rapid decline after the Title win in 1970, the Club had poached Paisley before Shankly's final resignation. I'm not suggesting he would have replicated the success he went on to have, although I'm sure we would have done a lot better through the rest of the '70s than we did under Bingham & Lee.
Colin Glassar
1644 Posted 23/06/2021 at 10:15:19
Seems like it Paul. How embarrassing it must be for tweedledee and tweedledumb to be exposed as two mere lackeys of a Uzbeki oligarch? I hope they never show their fat, gormless gobs ever again at Goodison.

Let King Usmanov I sit on his golden throne and begin to rule. Off with their heads!!

Jim Lloyd
1645 Posted 23/06/2021 at 10:26:38
I totally agree Dennis. We still had john Moores then with his money, so Bob Paisley would have been a great choice. fourteen years of what could have beens, before we won anything again.

Mind you, that seems a blink of the eyes compared to 1995 and now!

Derek Knox
1646 Posted 23/06/2021 at 10:27:51
Jim @ 1649, Good post there, but I think I am the same as many other TW'ers and Supporters regarding Benitez, it's not only the fact he was ex Liverpool Manager, although that doesn't help, or his 'Small Club' comments either. It is what has he achieved realistically recently? Furthermore, where will his ambition to do well come from? His Football is hardly showpiece either!
Brian Harrison
1647 Posted 23/06/2021 at 10:31:00
Jim Lloyd 1649

I like you am old enough to have seen the sacking of Carey and the appointment of Catterick, I also agree with your thoughts about Bobby Collins being sold and replaced by Dennis Stevens, who was roundly booed on making his debut at Goodison. I also look at our neighbours managerial appointments with some envy, they appointed the most inspirational manager in Shankly, and the best ever alongside Brian Clough the best tactical manager this country has ever produced in Bob Paisley. Not to mention a few others since who also went on to lift silverware, my distaste at appointing Benitez has nothing to do with him being an ex red manager as I have just stated I would have walked over hot coals to have had Shankly or Paisley. Its the small club comment which was more than just a throw away line in the heat of the movement, he actually believed that and showed nothing but contempt for our club during his reign at Liverpool.

Were I disagree Jim is if we love the club we have to accept the appointment of Benitez, well I have devoted all my life to supporting this club and when I am not attending matches then I am talking about them. My 2 Sons and my grandson are all like me season ticket holders, and I have said if we appoint Benitez I don't know if I can go to the game, which if I don't would really hurt believe me. I will argue that he is not the best appointment we could make, quite the contrary he is absolutely the worst manager we could appoint. The fact that Moshiri and Usmanov have already decided he is the man, their reluctance to make the announcement tells you they know this could end disastrously for them, but more importantly than these temporary custodians it could lead to us losing more than just our pride we could actually be looking for a new manager to save us from relegation again in the tenure of Moshiri.

Danny O’Neill
1648 Posted 23/06/2021 at 10:38:11
Colin, you're talking about executions again. Shot at dawn yesterday, off with heads today!!
Martin Mason
1649 Posted 23/06/2021 at 10:43:29
Interesting position now for the club. They are in a terrible position of their own making and they are patently incapable of resolving the problems and the problems that will remain whoever takes over as manager. The question now at this critical moment is who will accept mediocrity and be a happy clapper? To be honest our wonderful club doesn't deserve the great fans that it has in the main and to take on a heap of nothing like Benitez would be an insult to the fans. If it happens I will try to give up being an Evertonian after 60 years. Not easy but essential. To be honest I'm going to try anyway. Life is too short now and football such a corrupt and greedy so called sport for decent fans to be associated with. Time to actually do something I believe.
Colin Glassar
1650 Posted 23/06/2021 at 10:44:29
Brian and Jim, I feel your pain and anxiety. The thought of a former koppite idol taking charge at Everton is nauseating and shows just how much this once great club has fallen. And let’s be honest, we can’t get much lower than this.

However, I disagree on one point. Benitez may not have won much recently (still more than Roberto, koeman, Silva and Sam combined) and his football might be too pragmatic for some of us but, we won’t be relegated. We won’t be in a relegation fight. We won’t be in the bottom half come May 2022.

Benitez is a wily tactician. His teams are disciplined and fit. He’s no cozy uncle. In fact, for a Spaniard he has a reputation for being cold and distant (no wonder billy boy doesn’t want him) just ask stevie me lar.

We will probably never warm to him, and vice versa, but if he can upset the apple cart, kick a few bums, bruise a few egos and get these sods to play for the shirt then it will be mission accomplished. The last thing we need right now is a manager/coach who wants to win a popularity contest.

Rob Young
1651 Posted 23/06/2021 at 10:46:45
if it wasn't for BMD then there is very little (or should I say, nothing?) that Moshiri is actually getting right. We wanted a money man and when we finally got one it's getting us nowhere on the pitch.
Tony Abrahams
1652 Posted 23/06/2021 at 10:47:02
David Moyes basically called us a small club, when he talked about knives to a gunfight, and then saying we shouldn’t stand in a players way if he wanted to better himself, and he knew better than anyone because whatever way we dress it up since Kenwright came to Everton, we lowered expectations, and became happy with being the best of the rest, which suited both Kenwright and Moyes, but really is a small club mentality imo.
Jim Lloyd
1653 Posted 23/06/2021 at 10:48:44
I can understand that Derek, all your points about what has he done since, leave room for doubt and are very relevant. and I agree about his style of football in the recent past. But I think we're in trouble and we need stability, never mind dreaming of Europe.

I think tough, that we are a basket case of a club and although we were only a few points off European places, we were only a few more games away from trouble too.

My guess is Ancellotti, well in the words of Julius Caesar, "I came, I saw, I thought What the Feckin Hell can I do with this lot!"

For we are not an attractivwe club for top managers who can pick and choose, we've got a squad that is verging on the pathetic, apart from some really good players and, as I understand the Ffp thing (not very well, I must admit) we're strapped for cash to change faces.

I think with Benitez, he knows it's his last chance of creating a successful team and squad, because if he comes, and who's to say he will be chosen, but if he does and he's considered the best available, then that doesn't say much for the likes of Conti etc, who probably wouldn't touch us with a barge pole.

Still, I've just got through to the club and got me season ticket today and paid the fiver to esxcape the bloody phone malarkey, let's hope for better times, as I'm sure someone in the boardroom has trod on a black cat!

Jim Lloyd
1654 Posted 23/06/2021 at 10:52:02
Colin,(1658) Totally agree.
Colin Glassar
1655 Posted 23/06/2021 at 10:53:33
Danny, the whole shebang needs blowing up and rebuilt!!
Alan J Thompson
1656 Posted 23/06/2021 at 10:55:22
I've mentioned before the story that Moores wanted Bobby Collins out but when Shankly was manager at Huddersfield Harry Catterick wanted to buy a 17yo youngster from them by the name of Dennis Law but their price was Bobby Collins in return to which Harry would not agree.
Len Hawkins
1657 Posted 23/06/2021 at 10:59:48
Well there is one thing that will make the end of next season the litmus test, Spurs/ Palace/ Wolves/ Everton all have been linked with more or less the same candidates so the one that finishes higher obviously got it right. It's a funny old game it's object quite simple but complicated by who has the most money who picked the better manager who plays the better football who uses the most successful system.
Personally I don't want anyone who has managed the club before I think that was done to death with our most successful manager.


What I want is;

Someone who picks players for their endeavour for the Everton shirt.
Someone who picks players that train hard and want to improve.
Someone who picks players who love the club not their wage slip.
And in the interests of safety,
Someone who doesn't let off fireworks in their bathroom.

Kim Vivian
1658 Posted 23/06/2021 at 11:04:15
Colin - 1658. Good.
Brian Harrison
1659 Posted 23/06/2021 at 11:05:31
Tony 1660

I know you have no time for Kenwright and thats fair enough, his handling of the Kings Dock and destination Kirkby were disasters, but we have had a new owner for over 5 years and under Moshiri the club has gone backwards. Now if you are saying that Moshiri is being influenced by Kenwright then if thats the case he is definitely not the man to be in charge of our club. I view Kenwrights role the same as Bruce Buck ie chairman in name only.

As for saying Moyes comments of a knife to a gunfight which is rolled out all the time as some sort of criticism , but he was actually saying to the board you have gave practically nothing in a transfer kitty yet you assume we can hope to compete on a regular basis with a club that had spent hundreds of millions. This was actually a manger who singlehandedly with his clever buys and good management not only kept this club afloat financially but also as best of the rest, and given his budget that was a remarkable achievement. As for him trying to buy Fellaini and Baines well tell me another manager that doesnt try and buy some of his previous players.

Jerome Shields
1660 Posted 23/06/2021 at 11:08:03
Tony#1638

Thats the key issue. Really, there has been alot of tinkering around bringing in unsuitable Managers and players. Trying to impose various parts of Continental systems on a Traditional playing English Club. As if being a Traditional playing English Club is not good enough to compete. Leicester being a one off. If Leicester had the resources of Everton ????????

It seems that the Management selection process consists of ticking off buzzwords, High press, formations, false No 9, quality. All sounding good, but are basically masking a inability to coach basics and get players to apply them such as Get in front of your man, attack the near post, receive and pass forward, mark up closely, move onto the ball to receive, Take Note Scotland( get in front of your man)

Some will say Everton need a traditional British Coach Moyes /Ferguson to work with our traditional backroom team. The problem is that they are all not good enough and Everton need to bring in better. Bringing Walsh with Koeman, into a Continental type job was never going to work.

Others say these Ex Continential Managers do well in the Clubs they go to. Continental type systems which cover up their inadequacies. A well coached Traditional English Club could easily take them apart.

As I said from the start Benitez will tell them anything the want to hear. Maybe he did learn something in the Championship.


Jerome Shields
1661 Posted 23/06/2021 at 11:08:04
Tony#1638

Thats the key issue. Really, there has been alot of tinkering around bringing in unsuitable Managers and players. Trying to impose various parts of Continental systems on a Traditional playing English Club. As if being a Traditional playing English Club is not good enough to compete. Leicester being a one off. If Leicester had the resources of Everton ????????

It seems that the Management selection process consists of ticking off buzzwords, High press, formations, false No 9, quality. All sounding good, but are basically masking a inability to coach basics and get players to apply them such as Get in front of your man, attack the near post, receive and pass forward, mark up closely, move onto the ball to receive, Take Note Scotland( get in front of your man)

Some will say Everton need a traditional British Coach Moyes /Ferguson to work with our traditional backroom team. The problem is that they are all not good enough and Everton need to bring in better. Bringing Walsh with Koeman, into a Continental type job was never going to work.

Others say these Ex Continential Managers do well in the Clubs they go to. Continental type systems which cover up their inadequacies. A well coached Traditional English Club could easily take them apart.

As I said from the start Benitez will tell them anything the want to hear. Maybe he did learn something in the Championship.


Anthony Murphy
1662 Posted 23/06/2021 at 11:10:22
Colin I agree with a lot of that. We need a ruthless, no nonsense manager/coach who isn’t bothered about being liked and doesn’t care who he upsets so long as the team are working hard to succeed and playing for the shirt. It would be great if we could unearth someone with such credentials but on a upwards trajectory rather than someone coming to the end of their career or feels they have little left to prove. If it is Benitez (and the longer this drags on, who knows), let’s hope his motivation is that he’s got something to prove in management, but it seems clear to me that his motivation is a nice little earner before retiring. What was absent with Ancelotti was someone holding him to account - our hierarchy were star struck. Let’s make sure Benitez or whoever comes in do not get as easy a ride - short contract and clear expectations or you’re out mate. We’ve been too cuddly for far too long.
Ian Horan
1663 Posted 23/06/2021 at 12:10:21
Brian@1667, the distain towards Moyes in my opinion was driven by agreeing to be Utds manager in the February yet telling our supporters the new contract was close. He also tried to get Fellini and Baines on the cheap at 21 to 23 million (well below market value at the time given each were worth mid 20 mills each) for both players, when Everton said no he claimed Everton were holding their careers back. A total lack of class or respect to Everton, it showed his lack of respect as he got desperate to sign someone for Utd when he paid 27 mill just for Fellini
Gary Smith
1664 Posted 23/06/2021 at 12:12:42
“We can't have Howe, he got relegated! Benitez is okay tho….”

Feck me, some bizarre views on here.

John Boon
1665 Posted 23/06/2021 at 12:35:29
This whole thing is idiotic and all Evertonians have the right to be annoyed and concerned. CONFUSION is rampant. We have read so many different conclusions. Probablly ninety percent valid suggestions, but when a decision is finally made it is very likely to cause further division amongst supporters.We have a ship with too many captains.
Danny O’Neill
1666 Posted 23/06/2021 at 12:55:23
I believe most of us understood and appreciated what Moyes done in the earlier years of his long tenure.

But the constant playing down of expectation ground many down eventually, some sooner than others.

It's his psyche as he's been like that elsewhere. He told the supporters of the reigning champions & arguably biggest club in the world that they "aspire" to be like their upstart neighbours. He didn't wait for their local rivals' manager to call them a small club. He indicated it himself. And he done his best to talk West Ham out of a Champions League position last year.

I can accept medicracy & doing what's necessary when a manager is rebuilding. That's why I'm always willing to give them time. But at some point, I expect Everton to be challenging.

No apologies for having high expectations. Apologies for getting dragged into the Moyes conversation. Has he signed that West Ham contract??

Tony Abrahams
1667 Posted 23/06/2021 at 13:03:58
I think every manager comes back for some of his ex players Brian, but after spending eleven years at Everton, his condescending words showed a total lack of respect for Everton football club, imo, unless he’d already gotten to big for his boots, and never really had that much respect to begin with?

I heard and totally believe that Kenwright, was told off on a recent zoom call, and I heard that Moshiri also told him, that he made the wrong call by not allowing Sammy Lee, to come to Everton alongside Koeman, but I’m not sure how much of that I believe Brian.

You’ve probably heard them yourself because you’ve been ahead of the game regarding Benítez, Brian, but it’s true I don’t like Kenwright because my opinion is he’s played Evertonians for years, and maybe he’s sorry he stuck around now, if Benítez is to end up in charge?

I think he’s been nothing but a jinx, but he played the perfect game of Poker, saying Everton couldn’t have a better person in charge than himself, the man who gave David Moyes every single penny he could find, and got away with giving him practically nothing for years, and adopting a small club mentality, that had never before been associated with Everton, throughout its very long history.

Nil satis nisi optimum, was never meant to lose its meaning in translation, but being thankful for small mercies, Is not something I’ve ever wished for Everton, and some of the loyalist fans in the country, and that’s why I have never been kidded by Kenwright, who will only have no say in my opinion, once he’s been told his time is up.

Barry Hesketh
1668 Posted 23/06/2021 at 13:07:30
Not only that John @1673, but we allegedly also have an Admiral that is guiding the fleet of one, and he's not supposed to be anything more than a sponsor of Finch Farm and other parts of the club due to his close friendship with our owner.

I'm uncertain that the rumours that the multi-Billionaire partner of Moshiri is calling the shots in relation to who is appointed as manager, is good for Everton Football Club, because his ability to invest an even greater amount into the club, via more sponsorship will surely raise questions from the football authorities if they believe that he is the de-facto owner of the club, and that could compromise the financing of BMD.

I don't know what is true and what the media invent in order to get a reaction, but there appears to be more to this managerial appointment than meets the eye, as per usual the fans will be the last to know.

Bill Gall
1669 Posted 23/06/2021 at 13:43:31
Supporters here keep mentioning that Liverpools successes started with the hiring of Shankly. I may be wrong but after he left didn't all following managers come from in-house, either a coach or player.
Another disturbing post I read this morning is that Galtier expected more than Everton, seems like the club is becoming a poisoned challis.
This may be the reason we are having difficulty hiring a new manager.
Colin Glassar
1670 Posted 23/06/2021 at 14:03:44
Bill, after Shankley came Paisley, Fagin, dalgleish, Moran, sourness, and evans. Players like sammy lee and big nose also became asst. managers. All either worked or played for shankley. Even houllier was a koppite during that era so there was a continuum, a philosophy. Something we’ve never had and probably never will.

So for a man like klopp it’s been easier to fit into a club that has certain standards. They expect (demand) to win. Their shithouse fans can spot a loser from a mile away and will hound them out eg Roy and the two cowboys. Their scouting of talented players for peanuts eg Suarez, coutinho, firminho etc… is a million times better than ours. They bring better youngsters through the ranks than we do.

There’s a lot more to add but I won’t as I could be accused of being a closet red (god forbid) but if we’re honest, ever since the days of shankley they’ve been a better run club than us and that’s the undisputed truth.

Barry Rathbone
1671 Posted 23/06/2021 at 14:07:36
If it wasn't for chaos Evertonians would have nothing and I've come round to Benitez for just this reason.

I'm convinced this club is destined to never win anything again so the gnashing of teeth and psychotic outbursts will be an entertaining aside as Rafa's footy drains the soul.

It's gonna be great.

John Keating
1672 Posted 23/06/2021 at 14:10:42
I must admit Bill I have to agree with anyone saying the RS renaissance started with Shankly
When he went there they were absolutely shockingly shite though the backroom staff were there
He just binned the lot of the playing staff and read the riot act to the rest
His second job was really to get the support onside which he did big style
He really did turn them around though we all know how they treated him at the end
Like with most things pertaining to those arseholes, the Shankly treatment is conveniently forgotten and never happened

Pekka Harvilahti
1673 Posted 23/06/2021 at 14:36:43
I don't hate Benitez even if I did call him 'beneithus' and other names at a certain time.
A lot of time has come and gone, he is a pro and would probably do a good job.
Anyway I still think that Dunc and Unsie should be given a chance. If we are below 10th by the end of the year (or otherwise endangered even before that, sack them.
You could never say we did not give them a chance.
Jim Lloyd
1674 Posted 23/06/2021 at 14:41:47
Brian (1655) A smashing and heartfelt post and I've nothing but respect for it, mate. If I had my choice of managers then Pochettino would be mine (or the lad who manages Brighton)

I can understand your feelings about whether you would go the match or not. I boycotted Catterick after he got rid of Alex. Well, for a couple of months anyway!)

I don't know what's going on with Moshiri?Usmanov?Kenwright. I don't know if Moshiri and |Usmanov invited Benitez on boad Usmanov's yacht, as I've not seen any article that says so, so I just have no clue about the process that's going on to pick a manager.

I would say that the list of managers we appear to have had available, all represent a gamble even if some of the names on the ToffeeWeb list would bother to come, and my view is that I would doubt it)

I've never had any time for Kenwright since the Kings Dock episode 20 years or so ago, then the dodgy free stadium in Kirkby. As for Moshiri, didn't he saty he was a football fan but after the bid to buy shares in Arsenal, didn't he say that he was friendly with Kenwright who persuaded him to come to EFC, and he bought into the club, and bought into it's history. My view is Kenwright was searching for donkeys years to find someone to provide the ackers into his vision but would let him run it. He got it first with Paul Gregg and his Missus, who was willing to mortgaga the money for Kings dock but Kenwright wouldn't have it and, I believe, would step down as Chairman. Anyway we've endfed up with Moshiri and Kenwright is still the Chairman, and I'd have been glad if he'd gone years ago. and Gregg taken over.

Anyway, ancient history I know, but looking at the last 5 or 6 years we've had plent of money poured in to the funding of players/managers but got ourselves (again just my view) into a right mess and I think that the only way out of it is to get a manager in, who the Director of Football has chosen or has had a major part in the decision.

And the DoF has the job of clearing out the dross within the fiorst team job and the manager is appointed for three years and who the club can reasonably expect to provide the solid base for the future. I said in an earlier post that as a squad and perhaps as a club, we are up shit creek and cannot afford to take in an unknown quantity this time. If Nuno won't come without having his own staff.

Well, I couldn't blame him. so the choice is limited and the club seem intent to keep hold of Duncan when a manager might well want his own man in, so the choice gets even more limited.

Anyway, is Moshiri's role subject to Usmanov's say so, or are they going to become equal partners...I don't know. On the football side, we have got to get this right and give stability to the club most importantly, prune the squad ASAP of the "not good enough" and bring in young, hungry players we see in other teams.

If there is anyone but Benitez to fill a very specific and massively imprtant role, great...but who is out there that Brands could depend on to do this job.

If Moshiri and/or Usmanov are choosing the manager then we are likely to be in for a scary time.

Jim Lloyd
1675 Posted 23/06/2021 at 14:46:12
Colin Glassar,
Well said. They are light years ahead of us.
Bill Gall
1676 Posted 23/06/2021 at 14:52:14
Colin, The point of my post is they achieved what we never have had since I suppose Moyes and that is stability as a manager. And that is why I don't care how long it takes to get a new manager in as long as we get the best one for the club. My philosophy was explained to me at an early start of my apprenticeship and that was the pyramid. the pyramid was rated as the strongest building structure because of its base. And as explained it didn't matter what you started Mechanical, Electrical or Music you had to learn the basics (the base ) to reach the top. And to me with all the chopping and changing Everton have lost the basics. Do not now if that makes sense but I believe we have to get someone in that will not expect immediate rewards but build a successful club that will bring its own rewards.
But in this day and age I believe instant success is what is wanted.
Mark Ryan
1677 Posted 23/06/2021 at 15:19:08
Why sack Brendan Rogers then Colin. Pound for pound one of the best managers around. What went wrong there ? just a mistake or were they right to get rid of him do you think ? Not the right fit. I'm going off topic I know
Barry Hesketh
1678 Posted 23/06/2021 at 15:19:53
In defence of Everton Football Club, it has not been a basket case for the last sixty years, obviously, when you compare the trophy haul of both Merseyside clubs we can't touch the neighbours but how many other clubs can?

Manchester United went 26 years without looking like winning the title. Arsenal had a barren spell between the double-winning team and their next title win. Even the great Bill Shankly won nothing between 1967 and 1972.

Everton were competitive in all competitions between Cattericks arrival and the first half of Gordon Lee's tenure. Howard Kendall's time brought probably our most glorious period since the 1930s.

The mid 1970s through to the mid 1980s were times of economic hardship and most clubs reigned in their spending to a large degree, unfortunately the neighbours took advantage of that by winning trophy after trophy, which helped them to forge ahead of their former peers. They themselves couldn't buy a title for thirty years, until Klopp came along and sorted them out.

Another factor in the great divide between both Merseyside clubs is the incredible European record that the red side have, which began in the 1960s with that awful one club one city rule, eventually, when Everton did begin to make Europe stand up and take notice, Heysel happened. A few years later Sir John Moores sadly passed away and Everton started to become the club that we see today.

During Moyes' time he helped the club to become respected again and our reputation was one of a good club whose players would battle for a result with the occasional run of good football, since Martinez et al, we have become too soft and the decision making process at the top of the club has been questionable to say the least.

The last five years have been appalling and a stain on the club's reputation and the gap between us and the neigbhours is greater than at any time that I can remember, but let's not be tricked into believing that everything across the park has been rosy since the days of Shankly and don't be fooled into believing that Everton have been nothing but a basket-case during that period either.

If as some believe that Everton will never be successful again, what is the point in even following the club and agonisiing about this or that decision, what is the point in writing hundreds of angry posts if deep down people feel that we are not relevant and that we'll never recapture our glorious past, isn't it the hope that keeps us interested or is it that strange phenomenon of witnessing a car-crash?

Eric Wilson, a professor of English and author of Everyone Loves a Good Train Wreck: Why We Can't Look Away, believes that the desire to gawk is natural: We're "drawn to doom," "enamored of ruin."


David Midgley
1679 Posted 23/06/2021 at 16:13:15
Alan. 1512.
Johnny said. " If you it this way your donuts will
look like Fanny's " Look it up.

I don't know if its irrelevant or irreverent but it
seem to me that it won't make any difference what we say, write, think or post in EFC appointing a manager. It does make interesting reading and raises the adrenalin. Not good for older guys.
I think Rafa's boat has sailed. A bit like Jose's.

I like the sound of LeFavre but I would have preferred Christophe Galtier. Does anybody know from their contacts, mates or tea lady's lover if he was ever sounded out ? He supposedly has an agreement with another club, well the The Don had one here and it was signed and sealed but it didn't stop him. Who knows ?
No matter how I feel about Everton we are a badly run and organizedclub. The reality is in footballing terms we are no longer a big club. The new manager needs to shake up the first team and all the ones below it, bringing faster joined together football. Give youth a chance and we might find some gems but if they aren't up to it move them on. Carlo didn't look interested over the last few months but I honestly thought there was a bit more about him. As the song says' It only shows you never can tell'.
I like the look of Odsonne Edouard at Celtic and I think he would improve at Everton with a better coach.
There I've had my two penneth.
Happy commenting.


David Midgley
1680 Posted 23/06/2021 at 16:44:18
Alan #1512.
Sorry typo.

Johnny said " If you do it this way your doughnuts
will look like Fanny's "

Look it up.

Andy Crooks
1681 Posted 23/06/2021 at 19:21:39
What we have in common with the supporters of many premier league clubs, is our certainty that ours is a badly run club. I usually nod in agreement but when I think about it my own arguments are largely based on conjecture. We really don't know any of it for sure.
David Nicholls
1682 Posted 23/06/2021 at 19:30:47
Favre is currently in advanced talks with Palace.
Jimmy Hogan
1683 Posted 23/06/2021 at 19:53:17
My main problem with Benitez is that I want someone who is going to be with us for 20 years, Rafa is just too old. Where are the young coaches? Shankly was 46 when he was appointed Liverpool manager, Ferguson 45 when he got the Utd job and Wenger at Arsenal was 47. They stayed with their respective clubs for years.
James Flynn
1684 Posted 23/06/2021 at 20:03:07
David (1690) - You might want to look up the source of that bit of bullshit, toplinenews.eu.

A phony site altogether attached to some on-line shenanigans. I would also say, don't go back there again. I'm not.

Barry Robson
1685 Posted 23/06/2021 at 20:03:13
Unfortunately Jimmy I think the days of managers and players being at the same club for years are long ago.
Managers move around now as much as players do.

That's the impact of the game being run by agents.

David Cooper
1686 Posted 23/06/2021 at 21:02:15
If you get fed up with watching the Euros along asking yourself why does it take so long for 3 premier league clubs to appoint a manager/coach, then I have a suggestion for you!
Prime Video has regularly made fly on the wall documentaries, the most recent being Spurs during lockdown. The most recent offering is one made about Crystal Palace’s 2013-14 season when they got promoted into the Premier league. It was made 5 years ago but never made it to tv but it has been updated with comments added by the “actors” involved in this tumultuous story. Palace had been hours away from going bust 3 years earlier but were saved by a consortium of super fans lead by Steve Parish who comes across as the type of leader EFC can only dream about. Billy Boy but with his feet on the ground but without Moshiri’s millions!
Now I am going to mention a name from left field as a manager/coach who has PASSION and some underrated man management and tactical skills. This person has read the book, seen the movie, got the T shirt and there is even a musical in the works! Have you guessed his name? One Ian Holloway!
Before you verbally abuse me and say I must be crazy, take a look at the series. If by the end you are not saying to yourself “if only Carlo, Silva, Koeman and Bobby (possibly not BBS) wanted success as much as Ollie did, then we would not be where we are now. Now Ollie got fired 8 games into the 2014-15 season so all good things come to an end!
Anyway why not add Ian Holloway’s name to the long list! Where is now? Manager of Grimsby Town!
Sam Hoare
1687 Posted 23/06/2021 at 21:05:42
Just offer a packet to Galtier. Tell him to bring Renato Sanchez from Lille, they can have Andre Gomes in return. Bring Dumfries and Bailey to add pace to the right flank and maybe another playmaker if Rodriguez doesn’t fancy it. Good to go.
Matthew Johnson
1688 Posted 23/06/2021 at 21:05:48
Thoughts about Lampard?

I'd give him a go, young english manager - could build a legacy and be onboard for many years

Neil Cremin
1689 Posted 23/06/2021 at 21:06:47
Digne on for France in second half
Rob Young
1690 Posted 23/06/2021 at 21:08:56
I wouldn't mind Lampard at all.
Very surprised no one seems to mention him at all for us, Wolves or even Palace.
Bill Griffiths
1691 Posted 23/06/2021 at 21:10:27
I'd be happy to give Lampard a go Matthew or even Potteroe Howe rather than Benitez.
Neil Cremin
1692 Posted 23/06/2021 at 21:11:31
Sam
Would be great but dream on.
Matthew
An Option but I would be luke warm on Frank when you see what Tuchel did with same squad.

Digne off injured

Sam Hoare
1693 Posted 23/06/2021 at 21:14:32
Lampards record doesn’t commend him hugely, he failed to get Derby promoted despite them having the likes of Tomori and Mount and then had a superstar filled Chelsea struggling to gel. Plus the moment he did well for us he’d probably be back to Chelsea if they wanted him.
John Hughes
1694 Posted 23/06/2021 at 21:15:47
Digne off injured - end of tournament they think.
Derek Wadeson
1695 Posted 23/06/2021 at 21:57:57
Am I right in my thinking in reading hundreds of comments on the subject.

Most Everton fans on ToffeeWeb do not want Rafa Benitez as our next manager.

Many Everton fans on ToffeeWeb were delighted to hear Bill Kenwright was told off and put in his place in a board Zoom meeting.

"What's wrong with that?" I hear...

What if Bill Kenwright was advising against appointing Rafa Benitez?

Derek Knox
1696 Posted 23/06/2021 at 22:01:43
Sam @ 1695, now we are talking, but be surprised to see any of it come to fruition, makes a lot of sense as opposed to the lazy and boring option of Benitez! 🤦‍♂️😢
Colin Glassar
1697 Posted 23/06/2021 at 22:13:25
No manager yet? Wake me up when this nightmare is over, please.
Tony Abrahams
1698 Posted 23/06/2021 at 22:14:32
It’s probably why he was told to put up or shut up Derek W?

I see Steven Pienaar has been promoted to manage Ajax under 18’S, and think he is definitely the type of ex-player, that I’d like to see teaching young players how to play football, and imagine how good he would have been with a bit more speed or strength, instead of having just the speed of thought to rely on?

Michael Connelly
1699 Posted 23/06/2021 at 22:20:17
Latest discussions by the board: 'Has the furore over Benitez appointment died down enough for him to be appointed? Maybe leave it until next week just to be sure.'
Derek Knox
1700 Posted 23/06/2021 at 22:34:20
Michael @ 1707, I don't think it ever will or should die down, and I have said so many times on this subject, forget the Ex RS Connection, forget the 'small club' comments, what has he done, since his successful days, or likely to do with his brand of football?

Let's get someone with new ideas and methods, and one that has ambition not, 'a has-been' who wants another Pension Top-Up Scheme!

Don Alexander
1701 Posted 23/06/2021 at 22:59:40
Tony (#1706), like the 21st century version of Alan Irvine perhaps?

Anyway, he probably disqualified himself from consideration from our board by having actual coaching qualifications already and/or not being bankrupt or a druggie.

Jason Li
1702 Posted 23/06/2021 at 23:03:24
Is Britney Spears in the running to be the manager yet? Anyone else the media missed out on the list?

Anyway, let's hope we have the player transfers sorted by the end of the transfer window. If the transfers goes right, then the new manager should be able to build on some decent players at the club like Pickford, Richarlison, DCL, Godfrey, Mina, Doucoure and Digne.

We might sell on Rodriguez and Allan and Kean. But then, maybe the funds will help the manager or Brands get the balance of the team needed to at least to have a decent and balanced fit for purpose team for the Premier League or a cup run.

With this in mind, I think the new manager should do pretty well whoever he be for the next couple of seasons. Once the right players come in straight after the manager, I'm sure supporters will see progress. So let's get it over the line, and get a few very good players in. So it gives us the chance to cheer on the club for showing us they are serious in the squad taking a big leap closer to the top 4 (well Europe firstly anyway).

Don Alexander
1703 Posted 23/06/2021 at 23:09:10
Has the Squire of Caldy (or him from Crosby, as was) applied for the job at Wolves or Palace? Thought not, and nor have they seemingly approached the FSW.

Every agent and savvy, cynical player/coach and manager on the planet sees us with bloody good reason as the basket-case Premier League club that just keeps on giving - to them and no-one else of course.

The propagator of this remarkable attitude remains in the boardroom of course, "hiding" in plain sight, way wealthier than the hordes of dross who've screwed us to the wide for decades.

Only under Moshiri!

Colin Glassar
1704 Posted 23/06/2021 at 23:32:40
Jason, Britney will soon be a free agent if the court decides in her favour over her dad.

Britney Spears, Everton manager has a nice ring to it.

Jason Li
1705 Posted 23/06/2021 at 23:44:26
Colin, let's hope no man who hasn't the required energy is Speared under her reign.
Mike Gaynes
1706 Posted 24/06/2021 at 01:49:06
David #1687, lots of news sources reported we reached out to Galtier, but he has spent his last 12 seasons in Ligue 1 and has never, to my knowledge, ever publicly expressed the slightest interest in leaving France. When he departed Lille, the two jobs that immediately popped up on the rumor mill were Nice and Lyon. Nowhere in Germany, Spain, Italy... or England. Just France.

Who knows, that may be all he wants.

Si Cooper
1707 Posted 24/06/2021 at 02:06:11
Sam (1701), are you saying you think Derby should have been pretty much guaranteed promotion during that season? That seems a bit OTT, especially given how much they've regressed since he left.

I'd also say the timing was on Tuchel's side. How often does a big influx of players gel right from the start. I'm not saying Tuchel hasn't done a better job, just that many players need some time to settle.

I think Lampard did pretty well at Derby and pretty well at Chelsea. I think he could attract some interesting newcomers as well as being able to lay down expectations based on his own playing career that the players couldn't find fault with.

I also doubt he'd jump at the first chance to return to Chelsea given his prior experience and knowing he can better ‘enhance' his basic coaching / management reputation by doing a decent job at a place like EFC.

Alan J Thompson
1708 Posted 24/06/2021 at 05:58:54
David(#1680); Are you suggesting DLF (doughnuts like Fanny's) should replace NSNO, as it does seem to better represent our Boardroom (Boredroom?).
Alan J Thompson
1709 Posted 24/06/2021 at 06:05:46
P.S. Dunc's middle name isn't Lachlan, is it?
Danny O’Neill
1710 Posted 24/06/2021 at 06:12:49
Gifted player Tony @1706. If Pienaar can make the transition to coach (it doesn't come natural to all), he will have a lot to offer young players. Like you say, especially those who can't necessarily rely out blistering pace or strength, so have to use their brain more. What an academy to cut your teeth in as well.

I'd liked to have seen Leon Osman go into coaching but he's obviously chosen the pundit route as his second career.

Back on thread. The longer this rumbles on, the less likely it seems?

Neil Cremin
1711 Posted 24/06/2021 at 07:16:14
Good morning TWebbers
Rumour has it:
Nuno to Spurs
Favre to Palace
Galtier not interested
What now to ABB brigade
Looks like those who want the job are not wanted by fans and those who we want don’t want us.
Classic Stalemate
Where now
Danny O’Neill
1712 Posted 24/06/2021 at 07:23:03
Possibly hoping to coax one of the international managers post Euros Neil? Or something we're just not expecting, hence the guessing game and 2 + 2 = 5 that we and the media are playing?

I'm at it again. I'm using words based on hope, not conviction.

Are we going to get this one to post number 1878? What happens if that happens? They say when the Gibraltar Barbary macaques cease to exist on Gibraltar, it ceases to be British.

If we get to 1878, does Toffeeweb cease to exist? Nah, it means we're on our way back because we all care too much and we are what matters most!

Apologies, the sun is shining. the dogs are happy and I'm having an outbreak of optimism again!!

Sam Hoare
1713 Posted 24/06/2021 at 07:28:14
Si@1715

I think that Derby first team was pretty good with Mount and Tomori especially now seen as top, top players. They also had Bogle, Harry Wilson on loan, Scott Carson, Huddlestone Curtis Davies before he got too old. The experience of Ashley Cole. A good Championship team I’d say. But you’re right, I’m maybe being a bit harsh. He didn’t do badly. But I don’t think he did excellently. His first season at Chelsea was probably his best work.

He’s not top of my list but I’d probably take him before Benitez and a few others.

Neil Cremin
1714 Posted 24/06/2021 at 07:30:13
Morning Danny,

Just saw another post which claimed that Benitez has been appointed and board are lining up new signings to announce simultaneously to soften blow to the ABB brigade.

Makes sense to me!

Tony Abrahams
1715 Posted 24/06/2021 at 07:33:55
A great football nation those Dutch, Danny, but I can’t think of one cloggy, who has done well at Everton. Maybe Hietenga, done okay? But I’ve said before that I’d love to have Osman and Pienaar, as the head coaches in our academy, simply because they got through on pure talent (neither physically strong, neither blessed with pace) meaning they must both have big hearts and massive determination, as well as both being very intelligent footballers.

This managerial appointment has gone on forever, and it’s going to split the fan base like nothing before, but talking to a few sensible reds, and a couple of Liverpudlians I have never met before, the general consensus is that he’s meticulous, he’s professional, and he knows how to get results, and as for the reds I didn’t know, they both said, I’d never say this to my blue mates, but Everton are a proper football club steeped in history, and they just need the right manager to get them going again, but I’m not sure they’re going to accept Rafa Benitez though.

Eugene Ruane
1716 Posted 24/06/2021 at 07:36:24
.
Gotta love a rumour.

Imagines Neil #1719, arms folded Hilda Ogden-style, standing the Supper Bar queue waiting for 'us teas'.

"Now I'm not one to spread Idle gossip Mrs Sharples but I've 'eard that Benitez chap is on 'is way t'Finch Farm and eez also up to no good wi' 'er at 19 Inkerman Street"

Ena Sharples: "Eeee never!"

"Well am not surprised, I mean 'eez a Spaniard or some such, they're not clean in their 'abits like us."

Tony Abrahams
1717 Posted 24/06/2021 at 07:46:02
We are listening to Kaos, on this rainy day in Liverpool, and here comes Billy, coming over these radio waves! They love a good rumour, although I’m not sure how they’re going to react if it’s true. It’s definitely not something that makes perfect sense, but hopefully the tide is turning, for those loyal Evertonians, who are going through absolute fucking Kaos!
Neil Cremin
1718 Posted 24/06/2021 at 08:06:14
Like everybody else Eugene.
“Waiting for white smoke”

But if I were in charge of Everton and was making this appointment, that is what I would do. The thought had already crossed my mind hence I posted it.

Say in Sam #1695 post Rafa was substituted for Galtier, I wonder what the reaction would be.

Danny O’Neill
1719 Posted 24/06/2021 at 08:16:29
Slightly sidetracking me Tony, but the frustrating thing about the Dutch is that they tend to produce great individuals, but not necessarily teams. That seems to have been their issue over the years. It's harsh to bash a small nation that has over-produced so much talent, but aside from one or two moments (e.g. Euro 88), they rarely hit it off as a team and always seem to be hit by division and internal conflict.

I put some of that down to the Dutch psyche. They are very direct and blunt, and to us British, who, whilst we will tut and look at our watch, will politely wait our turn in a queue, smiling politely whilst simmering underneath. The Dutch are openly vocal and can come across as confrontational bordering on rude. I'm stereotyping.

You're right, Heitinga is probably our best Dutch experience. You could hypothetically argue Pienaar is a product of the Dutch system. Started life at Ajax's then South African satellite Ajax Cape Town before being taken into Ajax's own academy at a young age.

It makes cultural and historical sense that the Dutch tap into the South African market. I'm not sure, but guess there is a lot of talent in that part of the world too?

Robert Tressell
1720 Posted 24/06/2021 at 08:29:37
Tony #1723 part of our trouble is, I think, that we are just passively waiting for the right manager to get us going again.

It can certainly help. But the clubs that punch above their weight against the vast wealth of City, Chelsea and, to some extent, Man Utd have figured out a way to compete that transcends the manager position.

Our last few managers haven't been as bad as the club made them look - and our next manager is not going to rocket us up the table all of a sudden if we keep running the club as we have been.

We need a much broader proactive strategy to achieve success - otherwise we will just keep hiring and firing managers while we wait our turn to find a good one.

Tony Everan
1721 Posted 24/06/2021 at 08:39:52

The ToffeeWeb poll on this amazing thread yesterday showed 4,222 votes and 46% would be made up or satisfied with Benitez. 54% would be dissatisfied or gutted. This appointment is going to split the club down the middle. I can’t see the club functioning to the best of its ability when there is such division.

Sure, after a win or two, it will be blue skies... but, after consecutive defeats at home... dear me, it’s not going to be pretty. I fear where these splits are going to lead.

The realistic alternatives to him do not inspire confidence either and that’s why final decisions have been hard to come by. The board must do what’s best for the club, hopefully for the longer-term.

I can see them appointing Benitez this week and the PR team to choreograph and massage opinion going forward.

It will be a big mistake and end in tears. The alternatives would also split opinions and also carry an awful lot of risk too.

For what it’s worth, I think Potter would be a very big gamble for the club, but he is a manager on the up and could gradually build something here. There’s a steely intelligence about him and a bit of a confident swagger. He strikes me as likely being unfazed by the challenge and having the energy, motivation and determination to succeed. He may fit the system better with Brands too.

A last thought, to keep everyone happy maybe we could have a different manager each week and invite the best ones back!

Dave McDowell
1722 Posted 24/06/2021 at 08:41:37
Tony @1729,

I thought over the past 5 years we’ve already been running our version of “I’m a Manager Get Me Out Of Here”.

Contestants, Rob from Spain, Ronny from Holland, Marco from Portugal, Sam from England, Dunc from Scotland and Carlo from Italy all vying to be “King of the Jumble”.

Popular Trials included, buy as many number 10s as possible, find the most obscure strikers from minor foreign leagues, give out fattest final contracts to over the hill stars, fill a physio table, extend contracts of players who never play, insert the word “project” into as many interviews, how to motivate millionaires and the old favourite making supports eat shit pie when getting beaten at home to any relegated team.

Currently in audition for candidates for our new series.

Colin Glassar
1723 Posted 24/06/2021 at 08:54:12
Is Rafa still on the verge? Some of us are on the verge of a nervous breakdown!
Mark Ryan
1724 Posted 24/06/2021 at 08:56:30
Tony &1729,

It will be a big mistake and end in tears. The alternatives would also split opinions and also carry an awful lot of risk too.

You comment equates to our past 15 years so no change there and people on here were not happy with Lukaku, not happy with John Stones, didn't want Rooney back, did want him back, they moan about Tom Davies who is a local talent, Pickford needs to go, Duncan needs to go and become a manger elsewhere, he can stay and be our manager etc etc. I could go on...

Why should they listen to us? We don't know what we want and never will.

Christopher Timmins
1725 Posted 24/06/2021 at 09:39:22
The longer the news black out continues the more certain it is that Rafa will be appointed manager. It's a bit like the Brexit debate, in the end people were just exhausted and just wanted it done.

Brian Harrison
1726 Posted 24/06/2021 at 10:06:45
I wonder when someone from the club is going to grow a pair and make the announcement. They have supposedly considered 8 managers and have interviewed 2, one of those Nuno has said he was verbally offered the job, the 2nd candidate is Benitez who if the press are right is the favourite after being interviewed 3 or 4 times. So the 8 has been whittled down to 1 as even the press are not mentioning any other candidate, but it seems again according to reports the board is split. I think what they mean is Kenwright wont touch Benitez with a bargepole and Moshiri who is absolutely clueless in these matters is favouring the thoughts of his boss Usmanov who for some strange reason wants Benitez.

But I think the delay is because Kenwright doesn't want to be photographed at the press conference to appoint Rafa the red and Moshiri is not keen to be seen to appoint this hugely unpopular choice.

Danny O’Neill
1727 Posted 24/06/2021 at 10:12:54
Or we are talking to other candidates Brian?

I'm off again.

Brian Harrison
1728 Posted 24/06/2021 at 10:21:37
Danny

I think the delay is making fans believe that they are still actively looking, how I wish that were true. Also if he wasnt the chosen one do you not think that after the banners outside the ground, every poll saying the fans don't want him, they would have issued a statement saying he was no longer being considered, as Spurs did with Fonseca and Palace did with Nuno.

I would think that Moshiri may have thought there might be demonstrations after the banners went up, but seeing there hasnt been they may now be thinking maybe the majority will grudgingly accept Rafa the red as manager.

Ian Horan
1729 Posted 24/06/2021 at 10:23:12
Only 142 more post to the mythical 1878
Brian Williams
1730 Posted 24/06/2021 at 10:23:46
Brian#1734.
All supposition and conjecture Brian, all gleaned from the media.

Get yourself a big sack of salt mate.

Brian Harrison
1731 Posted 24/06/2021 at 10:36:14
Brian 1738

Yes it is all supposition, and information from the media who are not always right. But I will be amazed if Benitez isn't named as our next manager.

Eddie Dunn
1732 Posted 24/06/2021 at 10:36:41
Digne has told Didier Dechamps all about EFC and I fully expect the club to talk to him after the Euros.
He is an old mate of Brands -they used to play Risk together back in the day.
This is of course pure conjecture and fantasy on my part but as no one has a clue, so who cares.
Dave Williams
1733 Posted 24/06/2021 at 10:38:36
Pardon my ignorance chaps but what is ABB?
I’m getting bored now and the only thing keeping me going is the quality postings on this marvellous thread.
Like some I am ( wishfully) thinking that they have had more than enough time to announce anyone as manager now unless it is to be kept quiet for a reason, that being the guy is still involved in the Euros. That would suggest Martinez or Mancini. Otherwise I really can’t understand the delay- if they’ve met Benítez four times there surely can’t be any more to discuss.
That said Spurs are taking even longer as are Palace which really shows how few quality candidates there are once you discount the CL level managers.
Pochettino has been very quiet- surely not?.!
Rob Young
1734 Posted 24/06/2021 at 10:43:27
Belgium play Portugal on Sunday. Martinez could be announced on Tuesday.

Tony Abrahams
1735 Posted 24/06/2021 at 11:02:49
I’ve heard the delay is because Benitez went to Sardinia, and must now isolate on returning to England, singing I love a good rumour!
Andrew Ellams
1736 Posted 24/06/2021 at 11:07:51
Dave Williams, ABB is Anybody But Benitez
Andrew Ellams
1737 Posted 24/06/2021 at 11:09:46
Maybe all of the candidates are at a secret location going through an Everton version of the Hunger Games. Last man standing gets the job.
Barry Rathbone
1738 Posted 24/06/2021 at 11:17:47
Uniquely difficult job the Everton job the expectations from the older generation are far higher than at most clubs.

Of the original top 5 – Man Utd, Arsenal, Spurs, Liverpool and Everton – we are the only ones to have sunk without trace. The younger fans accept the shiteness and mid-table environs so any new manager would do well to ban over 55s from the match and rid the place of divisive ambition.

An argument for euthanasia of the old bastards is certainly something for another debate but, if the young guns enjoy 8th, it is something worth considering. "Let Everton thrive – kill old bastards" is quite catchy really...

Mick O'Malley
1739 Posted 24/06/2021 at 11:18:13
Probably waiting for everyone to renew their season tickets before announcing Benitez
James Lauwervine
1740 Posted 24/06/2021 at 11:19:13
I've said it before but, if they (not we anymore) appoint Benitez, I'm gone. I really don't see how the club could stoop any lower. When he inevitably fails, I might be back... but there's only so much crap I can take. It would be as depressing and embarrassing an appointment as we could make.
Dave Williams
1741 Posted 24/06/2021 at 11:20:50
Thanks Andrew!
Bill Griffiths
1742 Posted 24/06/2021 at 11:36:16
It's looking more and more likely to me that it's going to be Benitez.

As much as it would hurt, I will still love and follow the Blues as I could never turn my back on them.

Again, as much as it will hurt, if he is appointed, I will give him a chance as I feel to do otherwise would be counter-productive going forward.

I truly hope he is not appointed butI am becoming resigned to the fact that he probably will be... and all we can do is try and make the best of it.

Brian Williams
1743 Posted 24/06/2021 at 11:36:21
I have now convinced myself that the reason the manger hasn't been announced is that it would distract him from his present duties.

Depending how long his "team" remains in the Euros, that will affect the timing of his hiring.

Steve Brown
1744 Posted 24/06/2021 at 11:42:15
Is the ABB brigade different from the FSW brigade?
Len Hawkins
1745 Posted 24/06/2021 at 11:43:46
I remember when football was a game I used to go to on a Saturday afternoon and the occasional night match. I watched my home-town team, Southport, in the '50s & '60s until, one day in 1965, I asked my older brother's mates if I could go to Goodison Park with them Saturday came they picked me up we got to the ground went in the Gwladys St end I looked around at the ground the pitch and the crowd and there were more people at that one match than a whole season at Southport when the team came out I was hooked.

Now I am checking my phone every few minutes for news of any sign of a decision being made about a new manager, reading about players who no longer want to play for Everton FC, and who receive lottery-win wages every week – something I would have done for nothing in my youth.

Now, I am absolutely sick to the back teeth of rumour after rumour, name after name being considered by rich men like they are playing Monopoly with real money. One man now very rich by borrowing money to buy something then selling his shares to a richer man and cons him into letting him still play with his toy. If I had a Ferrari, perhaps I could sell it for lots of ££££s on the condition only I could drive it.

Is this is the same game I started watching 65 years ago? Then I am going to report an assault to the Police. Everton FC and its supporters have been cheated by conmen and a supposed Evertonian.

Andrew Ellams
1746 Posted 24/06/2021 at 11:52:59
FSW are a bunch of splitters Steve
Colin Roberts
1747 Posted 24/06/2021 at 11:58:19
Stating the obvious, we need a manager to take us forward and Rafa is not the man for that job. .

Will he keep us safely in the Premier League? Probably... he did a reasonable job at Newcastle with limited funds. Could he do better with more funds available? Possibly but to me that is a massive gamble on a guy who most of us are not that fond of.

Nuno was the guy I was hoping for just because he has the best name, there is no guarantee he could do the job either. So who could? If we are honest, Carlo started well but we were truly awful towards the end of the season and he did not seem to have a Plan B, especially when we needed to up our game after falling behind.

There are good managers out there but they are already employed; do we take a gamble with Duncan?

Ian Burns
1748 Posted 24/06/2021 at 11:59:10
That was a bit deep Len - 1753! But I understand your frustration.

It could be of course they have in fact offered the job to somebody and EFC are waiting for an answer. Maybe said manager hasn’t responded and is waiting to see what Spurs have got to say.

Kim Vivian
1749 Posted 24/06/2021 at 11:59:58
If the new guy is potentially one of the Euro team coaches, has there realistically been any opportunity for discussions to have taken place since Ancelotti bailed, as the Euros were pretty much about to start? It seems unlikely that any negotiations would have been kept off the media radar so whilst we can carry on in hope it's looking a bit dodgy to me.

If we really are waiting for said prospect to finish at the Euros then expect this to drag out for a while yet.

Jeff Armstrong
1750 Posted 24/06/2021 at 12:06:33
Tony #1243,

I heard that Benitez had actually gone to a Sardine factory on the Wirral (loves them apparently). He still has to quarantine though, cos as us poor scousers know from childhood, going “over the water” was like going abroad!

Derek Taylor
1751 Posted 24/06/2021 at 12:07:20
Personally, I would accept Martinez over Benitez any day. Although both at Wigan and with us, I considered him to be the biggest bullshitter in the game, he did -for at least some of his time here- provide some good football. Only when he removed all remains of Moyes' defensive influence did his record go down the lavvy.

I trust the Belgium gig will have taught him something (how to keep the arse of the team covered and how to tell the truth when it doesn't) He will a better manager for the experience, I'm sure.

Yes, if the only alternative is Benitez, the Catalan will do for me !

Allen Rodgers
1752 Posted 24/06/2021 at 12:28:52
Derek @ 1759, your last sentence may be what the board are thinking. Fans will happily accept Matinez as the lesser of two evils !
Steve Brown
1753 Posted 24/06/2021 at 12:29:01
Andrew @ 1754, lets "welease wafa"!
Laurie Hartley
1754 Posted 24/06/2021 at 12:40:39
Barry # 1746 - is 72 old? Just wondering.
Andrew Ellams
1755 Posted 24/06/2021 at 12:42:43
Steve just keep an eye out for the Popular People's Front Of Benitez
Mark Ryan
1756 Posted 24/06/2021 at 12:43:39
Derek and Allen. Martinez isn't fit to lace Rafa's boots. Poles apart in every aspect of their club management CV.

Martinez isn't in club management for a very good reason. Nobody wanted him after us.

I'd be utterly dismayed if he came back, staggered in disbelief. I'd hope he'd turn us down knowing in his own heart just what his limitations are

Not a phenomenal idea.

Ian Burns
1757 Posted 24/06/2021 at 12:46:24
As we approach post 1878 I suggest we each name our preferred manager and whoever is named in post 1878 is our combined choice!
Kim Vivian
1758 Posted 24/06/2021 at 12:51:06
Ian - it's a bit like the grand national - everyone gathering and jostling at the start line now ready for the race to 1878.

I think the club should offer a home shirt to whoever lands on that number. (Assuming they acknowledge the existence of ToffeeWeb!)

Ian Burns
1759 Posted 24/06/2021 at 12:55:18
Kim - just a bit of fun to lighten the frustration
Daniel A Johnson
1760 Posted 24/06/2021 at 13:00:53
Unsolved mysteries

Who shot JFK
What’s on the dark side of the moon
Who killed Epstein
Did big Dunc headbutt Moyes
Were the moon landings faked
Who pushed Richard Wright out of his loft
Did Moyes really ban ketchup
Who’s the next Everton manager

Bill Gall
1761 Posted 24/06/2021 at 13:09:20
They'd better hurry up and sign a manager... the vultures are circling.
Rob Young
1762 Posted 24/06/2021 at 13:11:52
I'm all for Martinez but I saw him interviewed last week and he still talks complete waffle most of the time.
Barry Rathbone
1763 Posted 24/06/2021 at 13:18:25
Laurie 1762

I'm afraid once 55 years has come and gone the writings on the wall.

(Regarding Everton of course - you can still do abseiling, sky diving, windsurfing and dogging etc as per the denizens of Bristol and Swindon.)

Stephen Vincent
1764 Posted 24/06/2021 at 13:19:30
Mark #1764, Their recent club CVs are pretty much the same neither has won a thing for 5 years.

The reason Martinez wasn't approached by another club was that he applied for and got the Belgium job. Left us May appointed Belgium August.

Colin Glassar
1765 Posted 24/06/2021 at 13:20:16
Eddie Dunn, Deschamps used to run the card games in the french changing room. He also used to smuggle in the galoise and pastis (not pasties). So if anyone fits the bill at Goodison it won’t be Deschamps.
Stephen Vincent
1766 Posted 24/06/2021 at 13:22:58
Lucien Favre signed for Palace, subject to work permit.

Another good option bites the dust.

Dave Abrahams
1767 Posted 24/06/2021 at 13:23:21
Laurie (1762) not when you’re 75 or older!! Some people are old and miserable in their twenties, when I was in my late forties I had a mate who was the youngest 73 year old I have ever met. I wonder how old Barry (1746) is? In his head.
Colin Glassar
1768 Posted 24/06/2021 at 13:25:58
Well he is in Belgium, Rob. Boom boom!!
Jerome Shields
1770 Posted 24/06/2021 at 13:28:56
I think that Benitez has probably got the job and the contract will be signed in due course. Why the delay? A plan is being worked out and the conditions to ensure it works out are being put in place. I think Brands is probably involved representing the Board and will be convening the results to the Board for their backing and implementation.

Moshiri is not going to announce that a new manager is appointed without making sure that such a plan is in place. Not like the on-the-hoof agreements of before. The announcement will probably be next week, just before the pre-season, unless they want the fan-loyal old Joe to gain some acceptance over the weekend.

No, I do not have inside knowledge. . . and I do have better things to do.

Andy Crooks
1772 Posted 24/06/2021 at 13:39:14
In more than twenty years on this site, covering, what seemed at the time, some pretty big events, I don't recall a thread like this. Not just the number of posts but the utter war weariness of it.
By post 1878 we will be begging for anyone, Stevie G included, just to make it all end.
Colette Black
1773 Posted 24/06/2021 at 13:40:49
At least with every passing day we are one day closer to knowing who our manager will be - even though we still have no idea. Ugh??
Kevin Prytherch
1774 Posted 24/06/2021 at 13:41:23
We should run a book on who’ll get to post number 1878….
Mark Ryan
1775 Posted 24/06/2021 at 13:45:57
if we hurry up it could be with us within the hour
Kevin Molloy
1776 Posted 24/06/2021 at 13:49:59
Surely Bill is too crafty to openly oppose any decision of his benefactors. I reckon the delay is more around him underlining just how carefully the message will need to be handled.
If only we had somebody with a background in choreography on the Board, Farhad must be thinking
Craig Harrison
1777 Posted 24/06/2021 at 13:51:54
Maybe they are waiting to sign a couple of new players and announce the new manager at the same time
Steve Brown
1778 Posted 24/06/2021 at 14:01:09
Andy whoever posts 1878 should get the right to name the next manager.
Tony Everan
1779 Posted 24/06/2021 at 14:01:13
Jeff 1758, Nice bit of sardonic wit.

This thread is now officially a rope. Is there really going to be a bunch of grown men trying to claim post 1878 ? ToffeeWeb has gone nuts !

Christy Ring
1780 Posted 24/06/2021 at 14:09:32
Mark#1764 ‘Martinez isn’t fit to lace Benitez boots’. I reckon Rafa isn’t fit enough either to lace his boots!
Soren Moyer
1781 Posted 24/06/2021 at 14:12:22
Martinez lol. How people forget so easilly is beyond me! Have you for got the shite football under him (barring the 1st season)!!!!? And didn't we compensate Martinez by £30 m just to get rid of him!?
Remember the humiliation at RS (4-0), the Southampton games, etc?
Just have a look at the PL tables for his last 2 seasons with us. I think that will help you to remember how bad it was!

Final

Joe Hurst
1782 Posted 24/06/2021 at 14:18:38
And whoever does post number 1892 should be subjected to all kinds of mickey-taking, as THAT is the anniversary of the ‘fat Spanish waiter’s team’s date of creation, of course.

Always cheers me up, to remember that WE won the first division and paraded it round our old house (Anfield) BEFORE they even existed!

Brian Williams
1783 Posted 24/06/2021 at 14:19:26
I have it on good authority the thread will be closed at post 1877.

I was told by the same person that told me there was gold in my garden.

Stephen Vincent
1784 Posted 24/06/2021 at 14:20:08
Soren, the same comment applies to both candidates - that was then this is now.
Dave Abrahams
1785 Posted 24/06/2021 at 14:22:22
Brian (1791), was there any gold in your garden? Just asking as an old friend!!
Mick O'Malley
1786 Posted 24/06/2021 at 14:26:55
Soren none of those losses by Martinez where nowhere near as embarrassing as “Carlo Fantastico’s” loss in the cup game against Liverpool under 23s, most of the games at Goodison last season under Carlo were embarrassingly bad, and isn’t it just possible that Roberto has improved his coaching and understanding of the need to defend? I know who I’d sooner have and it would be Roberto every day of the week, and we’ve just finished 10th with a minus goal difference, at least we’d see some goals under Martinez
Soren Moyer
1787 Posted 24/06/2021 at 14:28:37
Stephen, the fact that we missed out on Lucien Favre shows how incompetent our recruitment team/ board is tbh!

Mick, I wasn't a Carlo fan either! So just because we were shite under Ancelotti it doesn't mean that we should go back to another ex EFC coach in hope of getting better results than last time around! There are a few good managers out there but it seems our club never learn from its previous mistakes!

Dave Lynch
1788 Posted 24/06/2021 at 14:29:27
The majority of my kopite mates are thankfully level headed.

Most of them to a tea can't believe we are being so mealy mouthed about Benitez.

One actually said that he thought the bitter tag we had was banter, he now believes it to be true.

They are all in agreement on one thing though and that's Benitez will be a good fit, only one has said he wants us to get Howe, as he will take us down.

Unfortunately he's family, so I can't bin him off.

Brian Williams
1789 Posted 24/06/2021 at 14:49:04
Dave#1793.
Hmmm the name rings a bell. Were you in that movie The Desperado's?
Ajay Gopal
1790 Posted 24/06/2021 at 14:50:00
Soren (1795), I would rather have an ex-Everton coach than an ex-Liverpool coach!
Barry Hesketh
1791 Posted 24/06/2021 at 14:50:22
Dave @ 1796
I suspect your family member is giving his honest views and those mates of yours are probably saying the same as the family member when you're out of the room, which is the way the other sides fans often behave when they feel they are in a win-win situation.

If it is to be Benitez, it must be some contract with loopholes galore for either party, because what else could hold it up? I also suspect that some grand news on the stadium will be released to deflect some of the anger of those who don't want Benitez.

Jeff Armstrong
1792 Posted 24/06/2021 at 15:10:59
Andy 1780, hypothetically,who is your favourite out of Benitez or Gerard? Hobson’s choice I know, but cards on table,
For me I’d go Gerard, recent winner, young, hungry, angry, hmmmmmm
Paul Goodchild
1793 Posted 24/06/2021 at 15:11:24
I am probably in a small minority but I think we should take a gamble on Eddie Howe. Bournemouth were a good footballing team when he was Manager and he kept them in the Premier League for 6 seasons on very limited resources. He supported Everton as a kid and with Duncan as his number 2 and better footballers at his disposal he might be a breath of fresh air compared to what we have been served up by recent managers.
Ajay Gopal
1794 Posted 24/06/2021 at 15:22:08
I want whoever is appointed Everton coach now to lead out the team at the brand new stadium in 2023 or 24. Would you want Benitez to be the manager for the 1st home game at BMD? At this point, I absolutely hate that thought, but if in the meantime, he has won us a couple of trophies, would I mind? Hmm...
Ian Burns
1795 Posted 24/06/2021 at 15:23:05
Now we are into the 1800’s, And without appearing to be sychophantic, I think it would be appropriate if Lyndon or Michael posted their choice of manager at 1878.
Colin Glassar
1796 Posted 24/06/2021 at 15:38:19
Moshiri will appoint the FSW once he’s sure Bill no longer has a pulse and his escape route is secure just like Teheran in ‘78.
Colin Glassar
1797 Posted 24/06/2021 at 15:40:41
Jeff 1800, Gerard houllier!
Jeff Armstrong
1798 Posted 24/06/2021 at 15:49:37
Colin 1805, who else did you think I meant by the name Gerard?😉
Kim Vivian
1799 Posted 24/06/2021 at 16:01:09
Like most storms it could just be that the board are waiting for this one to blow itself out a bit before hitting us with the name.
Kevin Molloy
1800 Posted 24/06/2021 at 16:01:45
This was all set for a press coference at Finch Farm at 3pm today with Farhad and Bill in attendance, but it's been delayed as the new manager drove to Melwood by mistake. I'm hearing it's now 5pm
Daniel A Johnson
1801 Posted 24/06/2021 at 16:03:43
If Martinez was made of Chocolate he’d eat himself. Nice bloke but he thinks he’s gods gift to football.

A manager should get the best out of his players not shoe horn them into his “philosophy”.

He still talks absolute bollocks and I’ve been informed he has the word “Phenomenal” tattooed across his arse cheeks

Will Mabon
1802 Posted 24/06/2021 at 16:03:46
Kevin :)
Mike Gaynes
1803 Posted 24/06/2021 at 16:12:25
Paul #1801, I think you assess your status correctly. A very small minority.

But actually I don't disagree. Taking a club from the dregs of League 2 into the Prem, and keeping them there as long as he did with no top players or big transfer kitty, is no small accomplishment. He's young, hungry, smart, trusts young players and is an Evertonian, ticking off a lot of boxes for many people here. And, having turned down Celtic, he's readily available.

He's not at the top of my list, but we could sure as hell do worse.

Mark Ryan
1804 Posted 24/06/2021 at 16:15:00
Daniel A Johnson @1809 you should have saved that for post number 1878.
That's easily the best post of this whole thread and doesn't even relate to Benitez.
Off to get some new under-crackers because I've pissed these ones. Priceless and phenomenal
Brendan McLaughlin
1805 Posted 24/06/2021 at 16:19:44
Daniel#1809
I've got this picture of that tatoo in my mind
PHENoMENAL
Mike Gaynes
1806 Posted 24/06/2021 at 16:33:46
Brendan #1813, the fact that you have such a detailed mental picture of Roberto's bare rump is likely to make some folks here a bit uncomfortable.

Caused me to skip breakfast.

Alan J Thompson
1807 Posted 24/06/2021 at 16:34:20
Unfortunately it will be The Waiter and the delay is Bill's penny pinching old habits of saving 2-3 weeks wages by not announcing it before the 1st of the month.

Oh, and if we are running a book on who gets #1878 I'll have a two quid on Lyndon and one on Michael and a fiver the message says; "Do not use all capitol letters blah, blah, blah..."

Bill Gall
1808 Posted 24/06/2021 at 16:35:11
Ajay # 1802 I want whoever is appointed coach now to lead the team out in the new stadium 2023 or24.
The way the board seem dithering over a new manager it may take that long before we get one.
Stephen Vincent
1809 Posted 24/06/2021 at 16:46:38
Alan J, I am very much afraid that there will be no announcement until after 13th July. That is the last date to renew your season ticket.
Colin Glassar
1810 Posted 24/06/2021 at 16:47:03
I can’t bring myself to write his name, Jeff😉
Barry Rathbone
1811 Posted 24/06/2021 at 16:53:15
Soren Moyer 1789

Has it ever crossed your mind to try and figure out potential reasons for the decline after Martinez first season?

Beyond the emotive "HE'S SHIT!!" mindlessness.

Stephen Vincent
1812 Posted 24/06/2021 at 16:53:40
My memory might be failing but didn't it take over 3 months to find a new manager when Agent Johnson sacked Joe Royle. It was offered to everyone and his dog before HK3.

Perhaps the delay is due to Buffalo Bill trying to get an exhumation order.

Barry Hesketh
1813 Posted 24/06/2021 at 17:00:58
Stephen @ 1820
If you scroll back to post 1487, there's a link to the full story of that crazy hunt for a manager, following, Joe Royle's departure.

Neil Lawson
1814 Posted 24/06/2021 at 17:01:50
The moment the FSW is announced, we cease to be the Peoples Club. We, the people, do not matter. What I fear is Manuel cringingly and dishonestly telling us what a great honour it is to be paid stupid millions to manage our small ( oh no, that was a mistake never meant it ) club, and his ambition and desire to bring success as we move towards a new era ( in the Championship) at BMD. We will at least, have the best ground in the league. Snake.
Dreamt last night that just as he was about to be announced, Speedo Mick appeared, landed him a pearler on his nose, and his deep redshite blood splattered all over Uncle Bill and Farhad, causing them to suddenly and finally realise the magnitude of their ridiculous decision. As they looked upwards, a royal blue parachute descended and Dunc swept down to save the day.
In my dreams, and I suspect, thousands of others. Even the tea lady in a blue frock would be preferable.
It now looks that our only hope is that the rumours about DCL and Richarlison and James are all true and FSW may say, "never serious, just taking the p out of you lot and your small club "
Alan J Thompson
1815 Posted 24/06/2021 at 17:02:48
Stephen(#1817); And it has been said that the argument in the Boardroom was that Bill wouldn't accept that not paying it at the beginning just meant it would be paid when he is sacked after a season and a half, if we haven't been relegated that is, but he is sticking to his guns and using the inflation/interest argument.

Anyone for a mass meeting at the church in the corner for guidance and to evoke the Holy Spirit in the fight against the Evil one? If possible all wear brown shoes and chant about the wife wanting to live Down South, no, not near Finch Farm. All RSVPs by carrier pigeon.

Mark Ryan
1816 Posted 24/06/2021 at 17:05:40
Two words sum up Roberto Martinez and they are "Jason Derulo".
I've have been less embarrassed if he'd been caught peeping in an old folks home.
Dancing, fine but, Jason Derulo, give me strength
James Flynn
1817 Posted 24/06/2021 at 17:18:15
Looking for our next manager news, found that Callum Connolly and Josh Bowler signed for Blackpool.

Philip Bunting
1818 Posted 24/06/2021 at 17:21:41
Yes James, they also signed Shane Lavery who was on our books for a number of years.
Barry Rathbone
1819 Posted 24/06/2021 at 17:24:24
Re Martinez

Name one prem manager who has transformed a plodding, midtable outfit of decades standing into serial trophy winning, top 4 challengers using a tool kit of loans, bargain basement picks and promotions from the stiffs as per Martinez.

Any unimaginative chimpanzee could keep this club bluffing about in midtable as demonstrated by Moyes, Koeman, Allardyce, Silva and Ancelotti it takes courage and vision to attempt better and a shedload of loot to maintain it.

Martinez had the courage and vision and it paid off in his first season. HOWEVER, the drag anchors of the aging Moyes crew needed replacing not with similar or worse but BETTER to carry it on. Unfortunately Mosh was still in his wide eyed dim as fuck stage and thought a "name" was the answer so Martinez didn't get the loot but instead got the boot (Ithangyew)

In such circumstances Martinez was guaranteed to fail but the odium some blockheads pour onto him for trying makes a lie of the claim Evertonians are different. Attacks on a man who has never uttered a bad word about this club irrefutably demonstrates we have associates every bit as fickle, thick and vindictive as elsewhere.

Be interested in the name/s of the managers I asked for

Stephen Vincent
1820 Posted 24/06/2021 at 17:25:34
Thanks Barry, that's alot of scrolling! Interesting though I don't remember Souness being considered at all. Selective memory, I just hope that in 25 years time I will be able to say 'I don't remember FSW ever being considered for the Everton job'.
Paul A Smith
1821 Posted 24/06/2021 at 17:33:52
Rob Dolby 1307 brilliant post. This details exactly what this club is about. The club is geared to be 7th at best and as much as I hate it, your post reminds me again whether it is worth carrying on hoping in vain or put this waste of time to bed.

I love going to the match I have done it religously for 35 years but its just not enjoyable anymore.

Its so bad now in football that if we won the FA cup i'd be sat wondering who was about to be sold.

Our wage bill will hold us back forever in one way or another.

Joe McMahon
1822 Posted 24/06/2021 at 17:34:52
Stephen @1828, to be fair we didn't think we would also have a manager for 11 years who would win bog all diddly with not even one win at Old Trafford or Anfield.
Martin Mason
1823 Posted 24/06/2021 at 17:41:59
Barry @1827

Alex Ferguson... but it will never happen again in the professional age. I would say that not only is the Everton job difficult but that getting us into the top 4 is an impossibility, as Carlo realised. The investment required to just stay where we are is massive and the investment to get us 4 or more positions higher is beyond what our rich owners would be willing to put in.

They want a big return on their investment. What investment do we need on players? Look at Chelsea and Man City, it is billions not millions and you still need a top manager to get them to play. Carlo abandoning ship showed very clearly the situation at Everton and this has been proven by the other, all decent, managers that we've employed and who have similarly and absolutely expectedly failed.

It may well be now that we are in terminal decline along with Spurs and Arsenal and that it is irrelevant which manager we employ now. Look at the competition for good players this window; Everton aren't even in it.

Neil Cremin
1824 Posted 24/06/2021 at 17:43:49
Very Martinique perspective.
Moyes consistently achieved top 6 and even did get CL qualification on a shoestring.
As many have pointed out, and to which I totally subscribe, Roberto was able to take advantage of Moyes strict organisation and fitness regieme by allowing the players more freedom. The problem was that once this essential part of team management was neglected we became a disorganised and porous side, he didn’t know how to correct the slide, hence his demise.
Brendan McLaughlin
1825 Posted 24/06/2021 at 17:47:28
Wasn't sure if this thread would get to 1878 posts but now that we've resurrected the old Martinez v Moyes debate...to infinity and beyond!
Barry Rathbone
1826 Posted 24/06/2021 at 17:57:51
Martin 1831

Are you seriously suggesting SAF transformed utd by dabbling in the bargain basement bin? He invented the model of buying silverware

Barry Rathbone
1827 Posted 24/06/2021 at 18:00:46
Neil 1832

No, he introduced better players just not enough of them because of financial constraints

Thomas Richards
1828 Posted 24/06/2021 at 18:06:31
He invented the model of buying silverware"

Kenwright invented the model of stealing it," He invented the model of buying silverware"

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He got us to the CL qualifiers, which went rather badly if I remember correctly.

Mike Gaynes
1829 Posted 24/06/2021 at 18:07:20
Barry #1827, so all those fans demanding Roberto's sacking back then -- and resisting his return now -- are "fickle, thick and vindictive" "blockheads"?

I don't think so.

Yes, Roberto is a great guy who had a terrific first season. But by the time the fan uprising got him sacked, he was a disorganized, clueless mess. We were giving away set piece goals like Santa gives away candy canes, and his game management was a train wreck. In just his final season we conceded two-goal leads at Chelsea and Bournemouth and another at home to Hammers, going from 2-0 to 2-3 in eleven minutes.

Over Roberto's last two seasons, we won 30% of our league games. Thirty. Percent. We were far and away the worst in the league at conceding points from winning positions during that period, and IMO we were also the mostly poorly conditioned team in the Prem by that time.

Now I actually love the guy, and I'm perfectly willing to concede that the subsequent five years at Belgium may have made him a much better game manager. But please don't try telling me that the skeptics don't have a reason for their skepticism. My own feeling is that he's an excellent tournament/Cup coach... with absolutely no ability to pilot a club through a long, tough league season. I think he should spend the rest of his career moving from one national team to another -- and never dip into league footy again. But I'm sure that won't happen.

Neil Cremin
1830 Posted 24/06/2021 at 18:11:34
Barry
Therefore how did we end up so porous. Moyes for was safer but more boring. However, I for one would prefer we stay in the PL than be open and entertaining and be relegated

What we need now after years of drifting aimlessly is a strong, disciplinarian who will steady the ship and once steady start building a good footballing side.

For me Martinez is not that person.

We all know the candidate, each has its distractors, but for me this is an essential criteria for the next manager.

Martin Mason
1831 Posted 24/06/2021 at 18:11:48
Barry, he certainly didn't. United were Everton when he became manager.
Barry Rathbone
1832 Posted 24/06/2021 at 18:13:46
Mike 1838

Why make things up?

Read and comprehend then compare to your emotive and totally incorrect interpretation

" the odium some blockheads pour onto him for trying "

Get a grip, man

Barry Rathbone
1834 Posted 24/06/2021 at 18:20:38
Neil 1839

Because the defence was porous in the first place the idea the aging Moyes defence was ever solid flies in the face of historical fact. First season Martinez was not a one nil win outfit we usually had to score 2 or 3 the shite would have been beaten in that astonishing derby if we had a decent keeper and defence. As it was they let 3 in to negate us scoring 3.

They needed replacing with better not bargain basement players

Barry Rathbone
1835 Posted 24/06/2021 at 18:24:15
Martin 1840

Utd have spent big on the back of being every neutrals team since Munich dipping into the bargain basement bin has never figured.

Just previous to SAF Attkinson had twice won the fa cup via his big money buys - do some research

Jamie Crowley
1836 Posted 24/06/2021 at 18:25:57
After 15 years of mediocrity, and in the main boring as shit football, I have but one request of Everton as they appoint a new manager.

Entertain me.

If that means Roberto, so be it. He's a damn sight better than Rafa.

I honestly don't know if I can take another 18 to 24 months or turgid shite.

I don't think a single soul who manages Everton will get us relegated. So give me blowing leads all day long, as long as we attack and try to actually put the ball in the back of the net.

Just anybody, literally anybody, who actually wants to play footy and try to score.

Is that so much to ask?

Barry Rathbone
1838 Posted 24/06/2021 at 18:28:03
Thomas 1846

I have no idea why you continue to join in when you have nothing to add to the debate

Brent Stephens
1839 Posted 24/06/2021 at 18:29:17
I don't know about post 1878 but at least we got to post 1812 without a cannon being fired.
Robert Tressell
1840 Posted 24/06/2021 at 18:31:13
Martinez was a visionary and gave us a big club feel and a big club attack. In particular he found two elite quality players in Lukaku and Stones (with Deulofeu and Barkley doing a good impression of elite players). It was a remarkable job but it was right to sack him when we did.

Since Martinez we haven't had any elite players and we've continued to lack squad depth. It means our fully fit first XI looks good but not great and we're stuffed when injuries hit.

We are absolutely condemned to 6th or 7th at best if we keep running the club as we are.

Only clubs with 2 or 3 elite players challenge for silverware. That is what Martinez recognised and tried to address on a shoestring. There is one elite quality player on our books and he's broken.

We cannot make a meaningful improvement by accumulating (often expensive) players at the top end of average.

We have to find our elite players. In our price bracket you go old or broken or young and untested.

Martinez gave us the (wasted) opportunity to reinvest a fortune after selling Lukaku and Stones. The departure James Rodriguez will leave us nothing at all to reinvest.

Jamie Crowley
1841 Posted 24/06/2021 at 18:33:38
How many Leeds fans bemoan the fact they give up goals like Santa giving out candy? Not a rip on Mike Gaynes, I thought it was a great analogy.

But seriously, they go to the stadium on the weekends knowing damn well they're going to get a good game, full of attacking intent, and they'll go out to attack and win no matter who they play.

They have to adore, and I mean ADORE, watching their club play.

What in the name of all that is holy is wrong with that? Why do we "safety first" continually? Why is it every manager we've had since Roberto cowardly looks to defend, and we all fall asleep watching?

If we're destined to finish best of the rest for the foreseeable future, let's enjoy the damn ride. Life is short. Give me attacking, enjoyable games please.

Again, if it's not Roberto, anybody who looks to continually go forward is fine by me.

Here endeth the plea.

Barry Rathbone
1843 Posted 24/06/2021 at 18:33:55
Robert 1849

Agreed

Barry Rathbone
1844 Posted 24/06/2021 at 18:36:45
Thomas 1851

Give me your address so I can send you the bag of "attention" you so desperately crave.

Anything to stop your tiresome trolling amidst genuine debate

Tony Abrahams
1845 Posted 24/06/2021 at 18:37:37
That’s a proper point Robert, he made Everton around £90 million pounds on those two players, even if he wasn’t the man who signed John Stones, and that’s why I’ve always said Martinez, would be a great success heading an elite academy, but he’s obviously got a much bigger job right now.

Michael Kenrick
Editorial Team
1846 Posted 24/06/2021 at 18:38:43
I think I'm in agreement Barry. It would be very painful to see one of Thomas's facile posts claim the accolade... Preventative measures are required, methinks.
Andy Crooks
1849 Posted 24/06/2021 at 18:42:33
Jeff @ 1800, if there was no other possible option I would have Gerard before Benitez. Best days ahead of him.
I do think it is lamentable, though, that Benitez should even be considered. Nothing to do with him having managed Liverpool or his comments. His appointment would/will be for me a damming indictment of the custodians of our club. A light shone on a lack of imagination, foresight, ambition and aspiration.
If he is announced, surely the thread will be short. It has all been said. We will have no outrage left. The press will be able to report that his appointment was greeted with indifference. We will have been properly filled.
Robert Tressell
1850 Posted 24/06/2021 at 18:42:54
Jamie, similar thoughts. For me we have to invest in the forward line. We have to have an attack befitting a big club. The midfield and defence is good enough - but we need numbers and quality in attack. We need opposition clubs to fear us, especially at home. And we need some fun too.
Graham Fylde
1852 Posted 24/06/2021 at 18:45:53
Re: 1843 Barry

I think the table for Roberto's first year shows a goals against column of 39 - the third best in the league behind the champions and Chelsea in 3rd. Liverpool conceded 50. Not sure about the inherited ageing defence theory.

Joe McMahon
1853 Posted 24/06/2021 at 18:54:38
Andy @1858, I agree with every word. The appointment of Gerrard, who showed more future planning, but he ain't coming, and that really would divide the fanbase. But yes, he's a winner.
Neil Cremin
1854 Posted 24/06/2021 at 18:57:20
Jerome
Leeds are the classic example of attacking entertaining football but leak goals.
Interesting to see how they will do next season. Will it be second season syndrome like Sheffield and be relegated.
I for one do not want to risk relegation, we have come very close in the past and a flamboyant manager at this stage could entertain us but lead us to relegation..
No thanks
Rob Halligan
1855 Posted 24/06/2021 at 19:04:16
Well, apparently Benitez is talking to fiorentina about becoming their manager. If true, and he goes there, then it's definitely a manager currently employed that we are hoping to get. Everything pointing to the current Belgium manager.
Ian Burns
1856 Posted 24/06/2021 at 19:05:55
Michael - you MUST take 1878!!!
Neil Cremin
1857 Posted 24/06/2021 at 19:07:55
For me based on what the club need to steady the ship of those who are available are
1 Nuno
2 Favre
3. Potter maybe
4. Benitez
I would take any if I could look forward every Saturday with hope rather than fear.
Even the great Carlo didn’t allay those fears
Jay Harris
1858 Posted 24/06/2021 at 19:08:17
Graham,
We were riding high for most of his first season and only imploded at the end but boy what an implosion.

The whole club was united around Moyes until he did the dirty on us but Martinez is an egotistical, arrogant stubborn man who insisted they did not practice defending corners or free kicks resulting in us conceding shedloads from corners and freekicks.

As previously pointed out his win ratio was around 30% by comparison I believe Carlo's was around 50% despite the woeful home form.

All top manager have a relatively high win percentage, the poor ones hover around mid 30%, or less.

Colin Glassar
1859 Posted 24/06/2021 at 19:08:34
Nothing against Michael but Lyndon is far more balanced and measured. I’m on Team Lyndon!!
Rob Halligan
1861 Posted 24/06/2021 at 19:10:14
Why does the blue box next to the date say 1832 posts, but it’s currently 1868?
Colin Glassar
1862 Posted 24/06/2021 at 19:10:44
10 to go. The excitement is killing me!!
Rob Halligan
1863 Posted 24/06/2021 at 19:11:48
Colin, just press submit ten times. 😀😀😀
Colin Glassar
1874 Posted 24/06/2021 at 19:12:12
In the spirit of sportsmanship and common decency I will refrain from further posting until the 1878 mark is passed. Go for it!!
Michael Kenrick
1877 Posted 24/06/2021 at 19:12:48
A number of duplicates have been deleted, Rob. That may skew the result here!!!
Rob Halligan
1890 Posted 24/06/2021 at 19:13:32
Brendan, you’re post # 1884!
Will Mabon
1895 Posted 24/06/2021 at 19:16:57
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Diversionary tactics. Based on my posts earlier, all our contenders are speaking to other clubs. Will we be left with the best of the rest, eg Howe, Dyche etc.

Hopefully we have more ambition than that. Hope for a manager of an international team is again wishful thinking. Has our board ever shown such foresight? Yes, once, with Carlo... and we know how successful that was.

Jamie Crowley
1897 Posted 24/06/2021 at 19:18:28
Robert @ 1849 -

Agree 100%. And your post is another reason I'd see Roberto Pt. 2 as one with potential. I think he and Brands would do marvelously together.

When Carlo came, there's no way in hell anyone can convince me Brands wanted Allan and James. They were strictly Carlo signings.

We need to let Brands run the show, in concert with someone who recognizes the need to bring in players with potential and give them a shot. Martinez, I believe, would work within an "Ajax model" and we can sign and develop YOUNG players - a la Godfrey.

I know there's a stick to beat Roberto with - it's obvious. But this man took Wigan to heights they'd never dreamed. He won the FA Cup against Man City with that squad.

For effect: He won the FA Cup against Man City with Wigan!

He kept them up, despite all odds against him, for like what? Three years? All the while playing some decent, attractive stuff.

He's managed the single most enjoyable, exciting squad with Everton I've watched in my 15 years. Nothing has come close. Nothing.

I'd love to see a poll on TW. You get only two choices for Everton manager:

Rafa or Roberto.

Pick one.

For me, without hesitation and in fact jumping head first in the pool, I take Roberto.

If you want Hen Tag, "Brett" Favre, et al, fine. I've no issue with that.

But presented only two choices, how in the hell do you choose Rafa The Red (and the boring football manager) over Roberto? It honestly, hand on heart, dumbfounds the shit out of me.

Colin Glassar
1898 Posted 24/06/2021 at 19:19:57
I’ve been told Bill’s been talking to Dave Hickson’s family to see if he’d be interested in being the next manager. If not him then Gordon Lee is on his shortlist.
Brendan McLaughlin
1899 Posted 24/06/2021 at 19:23:09
Rob#1905
I reckon you would have been Post 1878 if Michael hadn't gone all Democrat and rigged the result.
Soren Moyer
1900 Posted 24/06/2021 at 19:25:11
Mike, 1838,
I love you man 😀. Well said indeed.
Barry Rathbone
1901 Posted 24/06/2021 at 19:25:58
Graham 1861

I imagine having the team on the front foot might have helped those stats but more importantly "lies, damned lies and statistics" are never more prevalent than in footy.

Judging with your eyes is always best and we had years of variants of the Moyes defence to confirm their mid-table trophyless characteristic. And unless they had a time machine - ageing

Bill Gall
1902 Posted 24/06/2021 at 19:43:29
Things have changed since Martinez took over, the big stumbling block that Chelsea and Man City took advantage of before it came into full effect is FFP.

Moshiri is the owner of Everton due to his majority shareholdings, and we thought "Great, we have finally got someone to back us with money." Moshiri may be a billionaire but there are 8 or 9 owners in the Premier League worth more than him.

There are couple of other clubs in the Premier League who are looking for a new manager but, unlike Everton, have had time to look for a manager. Some were the same names that Everton were mentioned to be interested in, so why has none of them been signed yet?

Everton have been let down by a number of well-known managers who have failed yet, when signed, the majority of supporters welcomed them, apart from Sam Allardyce who simply done the job he was asked to do.

I don't believe Ancelotti jumped ship because he could see no future in Everton. Ask yourself, if you were a manager and an elite Spanish club came asking for you, would you stay at Everton to try and build them into a consistent Top 6 side? If he stayed, I believe he may have made it.

The negotiations for a new manager will be in contract terms and I believe there will be lots of clauses in it to protect the club. (Once bitten, twice shy!)

I am still wary of what influence Usamov may have in the proceedings; if he was to take over, that would make us the second richest club in the Premier League, and he seems to be behind Benitez's signing.

As much as I dislike Bill Kenwright from some of his previous fuck-ups, I believe he does think of the club and the supporters and is most probably against signing Benitez, and hope he does have as much influence on the board as people believe and he gets his way.


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