Bolasie staying at Everton

Good luck Yannick.

Let's hope it happens.

Good luck to him. Doubt there’ll be a fee, but perhaps we get a kicker if they get promotion.

Always comes across well, wish him all the best for the rest of his career.

This could be the departure that sends Bill Gienapp over the edge.

Stay strong, Bill.

Tomorrow is the deadline? Besic and all the Under-23s are still here. Time for an impromptu yard sale.

I still can't believe how many ''failures'' we have had at Goodison over the last 10 years and, whilst some have suffered at the hands of some of the managers, others just didn't put in the shift required.

Mostly water under the bridge now but a few still to be sent packing.

Bolasie looked decent for a short while with Lukaku but it didn't last.

Another one of Koeman's expensive signings. Bolasie had a bad injury, and seems like a nice guy, but the big money Koeman wasted on mediocre players was shocking.

@ Will Mahon

I laughed a bit at that one.

I'm thinking how great it is we have to win seven games on the bounce before the club will move Bolasie on. They understand Mr Gienapps position and have done everything possible to retain him as a fan.

If we win on Saturday to make it eight straight I'd wager they'll not only have Bills blessing to sell Bolasie, he'd probably agree to rename his dog Shankly.
UTFT!!!

If you speak with him, Derek, remind him we're here for him...

Kieran @5, "Time for an impromptu yard sale"?

Think I will settle for a few feet out of the door, with ripped up contracts in hip pockets, as souvenirs and CVs! :-)

Derek the last time we won 7 on the bounce at the start of the season in all comps, our 8th opponents were Liverpool who we beat 3 nil in October 1894.

The last time we won a league derby was 17 October 2010, how ironic would it be if history repeated the above two stats, especially with this derby also being on the same day as our last derby win.

Tom @6 - it's not just the last 10 years, mate. Been going on for decades.

I don't think there is another club with such troubling/curious and borderline unlucky transfer dealings as Everton Football Club all the way to back to Tommy Lawton, interspersed with Joe Mercer and including Alan Ball, not to mention Gary Lineker and all before, during and after two World Wars and Heysel.

Absolutely incredible when you look into it... and you just wonder why? And what if?

I hope this happens for Bolasie - I always thought he tried to put a shift in. He got injured in a 50/50 tackle that he went into willingly and he tried to keep going after receiving treatment on the touch line.

Good luck to the lad.

Brian, a solid case can usually be made for pure coincidence, and chance that we work to the Gregorian calendar - but I often think there's something to this numerology thing. Here's hoping...

He would do a good job for Boro if he stays fit, he seemed to be doing well in preseason. Will they will be paying his wages in full? Hopefully Besic can find a club too.

Nick, I agree somewhat but I was really putting the edge against the multiple people who have been in charge since Moyes – who was here in the previous 11 years and did quite well with bargain signings despite very little funds.

The number of ''underachievers'' since Moyes has been amazing.

The "gravy train" still seems to have 2 years of mileage for player and associated parties. I expect, in 2 years time, we will see him begin his TV career when his image has been given some "back to where it began" shine.

Fingers crossed. He's not gonna get a game this season!

Volunteers to drive him to Middlesborough or somewhere else?

It seems Boro only want Bolasie on loan, but seeing as his contract with Everton expires in June 2021, this is probably the end of his Everton career, should he move.

I assume Boro' have a genius transfer-mastermind like Kenwright who seemingly identifies "our" Yannick as their 21st century Juninho. Ha-ha!

Don,

Yep; his name is Steve Gibson. The genius who bought Branco, built the papier mache Riverside stadium, hired Steve MacLaren. Fucking genius.

As I understand it, Boro will only take him if we subsidise the majority of his wages.

On principle, I think we should tell him to reduce his wage demands or sit on his arse and see his contract out.

Jay,

Principles cost money.

Just an aside; If a club and a player agree to cancel a contract outside of a transfer window, does this then make the player is available to sign for somebody else as an out-of-contract free agent?

Yes, I know, why not get paid for doing nothing? But is it a way around having to keep players you don't intend to play – that is, stretching the transfer window by way of a technicality?

Will (4) / Derek (8) - sorry for the late response, but I saw the headline and had to go lie down for most of the afternoon.

It's true - Sandro, Shani and Bolasie were three-quarters of the "Fab Four" I dreamed would finally shift the balance of power on the Merseyside. The fourth?

Eliaquim Mangala, of course. Who we inexplicably declined to bring back on a permanent move after his triumphant loan stint.

I also pictured great things for Leandro Rodriguez.

Bill #27, thanks for posting. We've all been worried about you.

And I understand your grief. Personally, I've never gotten over the unaccountable dismissals of Magaye Gueye, Francisco Junior and my particular man-crush, Segundo Castillo.

Wow, I had actually wiped Leandro Rodriguez from my memory. I‘ve just had to look him up and it rings a bell very vaguely.

We’ve made some pretty desperate signings over the years. The thing is, they’re mostly very cheap.

Alan 25, I believe you can only sign free agents if they were out of contract before the window ended. Could be wrong though.

Bill 26, The Fab Four era,

Everton supremo Farhad Moshiri claims Cenk Tosun’s arrival means they have Merseyside’s New Fab Four.

The Turkey striker joins Wayne Rooney, Gylfi Sigurdsson and Yannick Bolasie in Everton’s attack and the Blues’ majority shareholder is excited by their potential.

“Now we are comfortable with Cenk Tosun as a focal point, we have Bolasie back, Sigurdsson, Rooney - we have our own Fab Four!” he said.

Liverpool’s quartet of Mohamed Salah, Sadio Mane, Roberto Firmino and Philippe Coutinho had that moniker until the latter joined Barcelona.

Tony, that's embarrassing. Please never post it again!

The best thing about Bolasie was the chant that we nicked from Palace, sung to the tune of the Heartbeat TV theme.

My best wishes to him. Never played for us the way he played against us with Palace. Terrible injury and he's done well to get over it. Hope Boro works out for him. Not his fault Walsh paid him that salary.

I think Yannick has given it his best shot to reclaim a place in the first-team squad. Carlo has assessed him and deemed him not good enough.

I hope he does go to Boro and does well there. He seems a decent lad (forgetting his taste in music!) and I hope he can have an Indian summer to his fading career.

Looking less likely that we'll get rid of any more of those we want rid of.
Looks very likely there'll be no incomings either.

Don't believe Josh King was ever a possibility.

Though Bolasie may have JUST made it out.

Shame these players cannot find a club to play some competitive football. They are earning decent wedge but there careers are rotting away and they won’t get the time back.

Hope he proves the doubters wrong. A different option to Iwobi if Richarlison not available.

Drew 38, he'll be lucky to make the bench.

Surprised that neither King nor Brooks left Bournemouth.

Career? What career? Just keep doing what you've been doing for the past few months Yannick. Sit on your arse and collect your checks for nine more months!!!

Soren, based on news, rumour and word only, it's said he's made great efforts to work his way into the manager's attention but he's been told he's surplus to requirements.

Not at all like some of the slackers before, here and at many other clubs. He just isn't quite good enough for where we are now, and who knows how much a part the injury finally played.

According to Bolasie he signed everything required to make the move before the deadline, giving up "plenty" to do so. I can never understand why these deals are left SO late. Surely things could have been sorted yesterday for instance???

Now if he did sign everything, what the fuck happened? Someone's telling porkies somewhere.

Can't understand why the deal fell through, apparently it was all sorted out and Bill was going to subsidize his wages with the Arteta money.

Pretend to want to play and look like a footballer. In reality you know it’s your last big bite of the cake so sabotage the deal, keep picking up insane money and just go to keep fit class for the next 9 months.

#45 - Bollocks. Not one iota of evidence that there's a word of truth there. And plenty of evidence that Bolasie has been a hard worker and positive influence throughout his career.

John @44...

Lmao!!!

Brian #43,

I can only assume there's some kind of brinkmanship over terms and each side expects the other to blink first before the clock runs out. In this instance, I imagine neither Everton nor Boro blinked on wages or loan fees.

What Mike (46) said.

Worse than a four flush floater to get shut of this guy! No wonder he is bulling us up, in the media with his tweets and what have you, when he is sitting pretty on how much per week.

Still not entirely his fault, get Walsh and Koeman back and string them up by the gonads!

If he really wants to move can he negotiate an early end to his contract, say 70% of its value, so that he is a free agent?

Then Boro can sign him as a free agent and he can get most of the residual shortfall in his wages say £15k pw paid by Boro.

Can anyone tell me why this cannot happen if Bolaise really wants to play football and Boro really want to sign him?

I can't remember, wasn't he was of Moshiri's Fab Four?

Tony, I was thinking the same. Didn't West Ham recently terminate the contract of Jack Wilshire in a similar fashion, thus making him a free agent. Don't know where Wilshire ended up though.

Yes Rob, He was on £100k a week apparently, and the reached agreement with him getting ‘most' of the cash paid to him and the contract then terminated.

As well as Bolaise, Pennington and Besic could do this if they wanted to play competitive football. Maybe it's because they have family, a house and / or roots where they are and they are just not motivated to move if they don't have to, just coast and leave it until the big contract runs out next summer. Also likely more inclined to put a move off with the current Covid situation.

He'll never again get the kind of money Everton pay him so why would he give it up when he doesn't have to earn it?

Pay him off and release him. Then plan to get shut of some others on the bench in January, and buy quality players like we did in the summer.

Well Neil Warnock's pissed on Bolasie's chips a bit after his explanation.
I thought there was something fishy about Bolasie's social media message.
Seemed to me he was over the top in denying anything was his fault and praising Boro almost in the hope that would be it.
Then Warnock comes out and highlights the problem, which turned out to be between Bolasie and his agent.
Bolasie's lost his credibility IMO.

Always winds me up when players who are not playing but are on lucrative contracts (and not just Everton players) who get offers but they are basically too greedy to take a drop, and when I say a drop, that drop per week would pay for a normal person going for over a year!

My god if they were 'only' getting £75k a week instead of £100k aren't they just being bloody greedy and have no interest is actually playing football?

I've been saying this for a while and some may find my thinking to be cynical. However, these past few months I've grown suspicious of Bolasie's behaviour online, specifically pertaining to our fans on Twitter.

I believe Bolasie (under the advice of his agent) has been grooming some of the more agreeable Everton fans on Social Media these last few months, as a way of garnering sympathetic support to detract from any criticisms regarding his contract.

As far as I am concerned, Bolasie, injury or not, has done almost nothing of value to justify any payment at all.

Footballers' contracts are the type of contracts only afforded to the 1%. In the real world, if you pay money for a service, you expect something in return. If a company employs me, they can sack me for no reason at all during the first 6 months and for next to no reason for a further 18 months.

We should have been able to terminate his contract for incompetence after the first few months. Instead, we've been stuck with a lemon for the last four years.

Bolasie knew well he had no intention of taking a pay-cut to play and was always intention was to shamefully sit out his contact with us knowing full well he would give nothing of value back in return. He is legally entitled to do so. He can bleed the club of £70k a week with no intention of ever taking less.

In recent months, he has gone on the charm offensive with the fan-base. Retweeting leading fan twitter accounts, engaging with others and even going on Ped and Barry's Toffee TV show for an interview.

Man signs contract of employment, fulfils the terms of that contract, and doesn't take a pay cut.

Go figure.

Graham, man who is a multi multi millionaire, bit much time left in his career, has realised how quick football can be taken off him, is in middle of pandemic which reinforced how short life can be chooses not to play football, to stay at club who have told him they have no desire to keep him and where he is not even close to being on the bench.

Go figure.

Conor, I don't exactly have the contractual power of a Premier League footballer and it appears neither do you. Given the chance, I'm sure many would've liked to in the past, to avoid working under the threat of dismissal for no reason!.

Such contracts are weighted, based on power, opportunity, supply and demand etc. I'm guessing you'd rather not operate under such terms if possible.

We never know the real inside story. All we have is to compare Bolasie with Winston Bogarde, who was flagrantly overt in his actions while at Chelsea (and again, we don't know the full story there).

Just unconfirmed hearsay but it's said he's tried hard in training and his work around the club. Imagine the other side of the coin – players with zero protection under some less considerate or rounded managers (Koeman for example).

Bolasie might actually be a real twat, I don't know. Either way I doubt guilt will guide him into doing what some consider the "Right thing" on behalf of those with whom he is in contract... or the fans.

It's an unpalatable impasse but this is the game in the Big League.

Conor #59, Peter #61, there is no evidence of any of that. Just pure supposition and unfounded "suspicion" on your parts.

You have absolutely zero supporting evidence that Everton has received offers for Bolasie, that they have accepted offers for Bolasie, and that Bolasie has refused to move. Zero.

Nor has there been a single such report in the press, not even a rumour in the papers that specialize in rumours.

Mike (63), read Brian(57), the article was on BBC text this morning.

Dave 64

Warnock doesn't give much away and just mentions “problems” between Everton and Bolasie that his agent didn't explain. Not really a smoking gun.

Plus remember Warnock is a guy who signs players, makes a public show of grieving over them when they die as a loss to his club, then supports his club in disavowing them altogether when it's time to pay the transfer fee for having signed them.

Kieran (65), Kieran my post was in reply to Mike’s (63) last paragraph.

Warnock said that Bolasie didn’t mention any problem until 4-00pm on the last day of the transfer window, said he’d told his agent the problem, then Warnock asked him why he’s agent hadn’t told him of the problem.

Warnock said: “I’m disappointed that we didn’t get him, but that’s life. There were numerous things that happened in the afternoon, and it just wasn’t meant to be. I’m disappointed, but you have to move on and we’ll see what happens now.

“He was disappointed, but he was partly to blame as well. There were things I should have known before four o’clock yesterday afternoon about his problems at Everton. They were problems that we couldn’t overcome. Well, we tried to, and eventually we did, but it was too late.

“I’ve asked him why I didn’t know about those problems beforehand. He said, ‘Well, I told my agent’, but I said, ‘Well why didn’t the bloody agent tell us that?’ The agent was talking to Neil (Bausor) quite a lot – he should have come up with these problems, not at four o’clock.”

Bolasie like other players signed in that era without proper due diligence. We seem to have moved on from paying top money for grossly over rated players. Far to much credit was given to Walsh's role in the success of Leicester and consequently Everton paid the price.

As far as I'm aware thsse loan deals usually involve the parent club and the loan club negotiating the split of the wages if we loaned a player of the calibre of say Coutinho we would of course expect to pay 100% of the wages and potentially a sizeable loan fee. that's for a player who would add quality to the team. A player like Bolasie dropping down a division we'd be lucky if they paid 15k a week of it without a loan fee. Arguments about him taking a drop in wages seem off the mark for me, very likely that wherever he went he would have a 100% of his wages paid, mostly by Everton presumably. So therefore the fact he didn't go somewhere shows he's not that bothered about playing and is happy to sit around getting paid, effectively wasting the last years of his career. which in my book makes him a complete shithouse and like Besic before him, I have lost all respect for that type of attitude.

Steve Shave

Bolasie is in his 30s, had a major injury not long ago and has a contract expiring in 10 months. After that there is no guarantee he will ever be paid a dime to play football again. So why would he risk his family’s long term financial future by taking a massive pay cut for 9 months? Doesn’t make him a shithouse. Most people would be similarly pragmatic in his position.

Agreed Kieran.

The other thing is Everton is the pinnacle of his career. Sure, he played his best football at Palace, but this was his biggest stage. How many of us, if in his position, would not fight tooth and nail to hang onto it?

I watch Sporting. I saw him play a good few times for them. I never saw him at Villa or Anderlecht. The Bolasie at Sporting showed, like he did in pre-season, that he is over the injury. The pace was back, the tricks were back. The old Bolasie fire was not quite, but he always played in moments anyway. Those moments were just fewer.

I would not be shocked to see him out on the pitch in royal blue at some point this season. He's not being shunned like Niasse. So, if there are injuries and suspensions, he may well get a chance.

For now, he's doing everything he can to get himself into the Everton team. It is unreasonable to expect him to admit he's not good enough and just take a pay cut and leave. We do not know the full reason why he did not move to Boro, and reports can easily be wrong.

Dave, Brian, thanks for the additional info. If Warnock's account is accurate and Bolasie's agent didn't communicate properly about problems with Everton, that still lends no credibility to the accusation that Bolasie refused to move, that he prefers not to play and his "intention was to shamefully sit out his contact". Warnock himself said Bolasie was disappointed.

Even if Bolasie and/or his agent screwed up, it doesn't make him Bogarde.

As I said Keiran, I don't understand where all this came from about Bolasie taking a pay cut to go anywhere, as far as I am aware the parent club has to fulfil the rest of the contracted wages regardless. If you'd read my post I state that view clearly. I agree with you to an extent though, I also wouldn't go somewhere for considerably less either, it's a job at the end of the day, I don't believe that to be the case with most loans though, so if I am correct (and I may well not be) then he has effectively chosen to sit around stinking the place out rather than playing, that for me makes him a shithouse. if I am wrong however and a loan would have meant a considerable paycut for him then yes I would be more sympathetic of his plight. As others have suggested, I'm sceptical about his recent charm offensive and the agents withholding of key information, smacks of deal sabotage to me.

Steve, yes, and his odds have certainly improved in recent weeks with Kean's departure, Bernard's apparent loss of favor (zero Prem minutes this season) and Richarlison's suspension. If at some point in the next month we're down a goal late and need an attacking option on the wing, Bolasie might just find himself out there.

Personally I think Bolasie would be a better impact sub than Iwobi, (see Saturday’s 20 minute cameo).

Carlo's comments suggested he thought Bolasie would be leaving so he probably didn't give him any consideration up until now. Since he is here still, the scenario has changed. I would imagine he has a fighting chance of getting a game ahead of Iwobi, Gordon and Bernard.

If Bolasie gets a game ahead of those three you mention Kieran I will eat my considerably large hat!

Can’t see him getting a game as Carlo has told him he is not part of his plans and was training with the U23’s. I assume he still is.

Gordon
Bernard
Bolasie
Iwobi
In that order for me, as to who should replace Richy wide right,
bu Ancelotti will play safe and keep Gomes in the middle with Gylfi out wide.

Mike (72) I seems to me, if Bolasie really wanted the move he would have had his side of the move all ready to go before the last hour of the transfer window. It looks to me as though the agent was leaving it up to the player, if you want to go then just sign the papers,which he did when it was too late. The agent got the same per centage of Bolasie’s wages whether he moved or not.

That is the end of speculation as he has not been named in the Premier League squad. Neither has Besic or Anthony Gordon which I find strange.

Clive, there's no requirement for the club to name U23 players like Anthony Gordon in the senior squad. I believe they can play as many as they like as the season unfolds.

Thanks Michael. I did pick that up when I read the article on the squad. Should have read that first.