England 4 - 0 Ukraine
Gareth Southgate's men hammered Andriy Shevchenko's charges 4-0 thanks to a brace by Harry Kane and further strikes by Harry Maguire and Jordan Henderson, with Pickford becoming the first goalkeeper to keep five straight clean sheet in the tournament's history.
England went ahead early when Kane beat the offside trap to stab past the goalkeeper before Pickford was called upon to make a decent stop to prevent Ukraine levelling later in the first half.
Maguire struck from a corner inside two minutes of the second half and Kane added his second shortly afterwards but initially there was no sign of Calvert-Lewin when Southgate started making substitutions.
Henderson came on for Declan Rice and headed home from another set-piece to make it 4-0 as England ran away with the tie.
Pickford was called upon again to parry away a fierce effort moments after Calvert-Lewin was belatedly introduced with 18 minutes left.
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1 Posted 03/07/2021 at 22:05:41
2 Posted 03/07/2021 at 22:09:17
3 Posted 03/07/2021 at 22:10:05
4 Posted 03/07/2021 at 22:37:51
However, the Italian or Spanish defenses will not be as charitable as the Ukrainian defense.
5 Posted 03/07/2021 at 22:42:32
Pickford probably a bit bored.
If England can win a major tournament during my lifetime... then so can Everton!
6 Posted 03/07/2021 at 22:57:46
What is it about this obsession with the RS?
7 Posted 03/07/2021 at 23:06:13
8 Posted 03/07/2021 at 23:15:58
10 Posted 03/07/2021 at 23:18:22
11 Posted 03/07/2021 at 23:58:30
Jeff, we're all Evertonians, just not all English or England supporters.
England have a real chance here. They were always going to be too good for Ukraine; the were superior in the end.
They will have too much for Denmark and make the final. They have a genuine chance to win this.
14 Posted 04/07/2021 at 00:05:27
15 Posted 04/07/2021 at 00:16:26
Rightfully so. England has a chance, which I said from the start.
16 Posted 04/07/2021 at 01:02:37
17 Posted 04/07/2021 at 01:07:44
If you tot up the £ value of every squad in the competition I feel sure they're the most expensive squad (maybe them and the French?), England really should be winning this thing based on this.
Just look how well Denmark are doing for next to no value.
18 Posted 04/07/2021 at 02:44:45
They need to play Foden as Man City can break down the final third better than any team, and he was the best at it last season.
19 Posted 04/07/2021 at 03:40:43
20 Posted 04/07/2021 at 03:43:30
Not sure what you are getting at in relation to Calvert-Lewin, John (#18).
21 Posted 04/07/2021 at 05:13:12
I'm English, an Evertonian of over 60 years but couldn't give two fucks about England. Just do one.
22 Posted 04/07/2021 at 05:32:14
Quite staggered Pickford holds that clean sheet record actually. There have been at least a dozen keepers over the years I've seen in the Euros whom I wouldn't see Jordan fit to lace their boots. It's a funny old game.
The team not playing particularly well but grinding through regardless are generally the danger in tournament football, so to my mind I think it will probably be Spain.
23 Posted 04/07/2021 at 05:55:54
24 Posted 04/07/2021 at 06:27:40
Not taking anything away from England last night, but they didn't have to do a lot, just stay patient and wait for the moment. Hence a lot of sideways and backwards stuff. It was the plan. Ukraine came into a bit more in the latter part of the first half after changing formation, but once that early 2nd half goal went in, that was that.
Jordan has had a great tournament on the back of a very strong second half of last season. But last night he reverted to what we've seen in recent seasons for a period having made an error with a clearance that seemed to effect him mentally. It appears to be problem with him, but encouragingly, one he in most part seems to have addressed. The ability is there, but it's when his head goes he (and we) have problems. You can arguably say that about most players, but particularly pertinent to Jordan and always more visible when it's your keeper; the last line of defence.
Aside from that, I thought Sterling was standout and Kane showed his all round abilities as a striker. Some of us have discussed the differences between him and Calvert-Lewin. I've often said that Kane is more complete because as well as doing the in-the-box stuff, he can be effective as a striker from outside. That volley or shot from outside the box in the second half that forced a "worldy" save from the Ukraine keeper is an example. You don't get that from Dominic. He is effective, but almost entirely inside the box. The more I watch Kane, he reminds me in some ways of Graeme Sharpe.
A tougher test lies ahead against Denmark, but England will have enough. A final against Italy is my prediction. As well as not really having allegiance to England, I have Italy in my local pub's sweep stake, so that's the blue (Azzuri) mast my colours are nailed to!
25 Posted 04/07/2021 at 07:03:18
England have been fantastic and will get to the final, I hope against Spain as Italy look like a Rolls-Royce of a team. We (I've always enjoyed supporting England even growing up in Liverpool) have a great chance of making history and it's a great feeling.
Come on England. Where's me fuckin George cross?
26 Posted 04/07/2021 at 07:15:08
Early in the game, I thought Pickford would make a difference. They did not need him to that extent as Ukraine's inadequacies were ruthlessly exposed.
I may have to watch football next season with subtitles. The commentators will be worse than Jim Beglin. At least with Jim I can swear at the television and maim him on the live forum.
27 Posted 04/07/2021 at 07:27:21
I'll be honest, I was pretty apathetic about England for most of my life. I think living in London for so many years has driven me down the path of actually not liking it too much. Not to the point of resentment, but it definitely takes on a more sinister feel here when I watch the behaviour of England fans in my opinion. I've said before, I was also scarred by my one and only attendance at an England match in Luxemburg in the 80s. Never been a fan of the following England attracts. I know there is support from all over the country, but it tends to have a London / south East ownership stamp written all over it.
Don't get me wrong, my wife is polar opposite. She's from the West Midlands and English first, not British. My attitude towards England generally causes internal strife and conflict during these periods!!! She equally resents my Everton-ness and allegiance to the city of Liverpool above all things England.
I could go on, but I don't want to distract from the football. You are right, England, without having been spectacular, have been very professional and played to their strengths in this tournament. They've had the luck of the draw and all that, but then that's football, you play what's in front of you. Good luck to them, but I don't want them taking my sweep stake winnings!
28 Posted 04/07/2021 at 07:53:01
Maybe that's solely down to the fact that I've backed them to do so, but I also want them to win it because two of our players are playing.
The indifference to the England team is down to the over-the-top London press. The foolish expectation. The total nonsense spouted by pundits. whenever we beat a poor side.
From a Scouse point of view, there is always the political element. Many Scousers simply refuse to see themselves as English.
I have the utmost respect for all those millions of people who live in towns which don't have a top class team. England is their team and, let's be fair, they've suffered.
I don't think the indifference is solely a scouse indifference these days either. Those who support Premier League teams find it difficult to cheer on players they have spent all year despising. I bet the number of Evertonians jumping up to celebrate Henderson's goal last night didn't even reach double figures.
I've loved this tournament and the sometimes breathtaking games it's produced. I only have one team, They`re based in L4, but I love seeing the reactions of millions of people up and down this country on the news when England have won. I want to see more of that joy when I switch the news on and, for that reason, I want England to win the trophy.
Disclaimer: I accept the fact that it could just be my wallet talking.
Happy 4th over there. Enjoy your day. Don't waste any of it trying to figure the English out!
29 Posted 04/07/2021 at 08:29:14
You hit the nail Darren with regards to the city. Always felt that way. Everton, not England. With specific regards to the England football team I often wonder if I was influenced by my father's bitterness about Kendall and Harvey only ever earning one cap between them. He wouldn't shut up about that and even used to cheer Scotland on.
You are correct, we are a complex nation. We confuse everyone, especially the Europeans. We fight internally as four nations, we fight internally as cities and regions. But if an outsider picks on one, they get it from all of us.
A bit like my cousins (2 brothers) fighting at my wedding. My best man and best mate done the honourable, tried to separate them and calm the situation. He got floored and told not to touch my brother from one of the fighting two!!
By the way all, this isn't an anti England theme. I can actually relax and enjoy international football much more than the emotional anxiety ridden wreck I have often become watching Everton in recent decades!
30 Posted 04/07/2021 at 08:49:11
The good thing was that Ray Wilson brought the Jules Rimet Trophy to Goodison Park that August. Since then, I have admired the great international teams who played with skill and flair and had great players – never bothered about England as they were generally boring and workmanlike with the odd exception the '70 World Cup team and a couple of other teams or players through the years.
Now, yes we have a good team who are doing well but, with all this booing of the knee and booing of national anthems, I just find myself watching but feeling detached; do I really want to be associated with people like those England fans? People who have been an embarrassment to the country for years. Everton, on the other hand, even with the awful 3 decades we have had, are still my passion.
My wife is Italian so my two sons have divided loyalties (they are both Evertonians of course): one is for Italy, the other is for England.
31 Posted 04/07/2021 at 08:59:03
As I've repeated many times, I've lived and worked in both Germany and Italy. I have soft spots for both countries. In football terms, I admire Germany's footballing system from the grass roots up and experienced playing in it both as a youngster and as an adult. But Italy is a country I hold with dear affection, despite only having spent 2 years there. I worked in Anzio and lived nearby in Latina in the Lazio region. Good fun with the Roma - Lazio rivalry. I leant towards Roma.
32 Posted 04/07/2021 at 09:05:13
Secondly, you have to treat international football completely separate to domestic footy. I celebrated when Henderson scored and don't give a flying fuck about who any of them play for when it's England.
Thirdly, if you want to enjoy football you also need to separate it from politics as again it should not be related and you certainly won't enjoy it if you let it be connected.
Frankly, some of the excuses on here for not supporting England are pathetic at best.
33 Posted 04/07/2021 at 09:16:44
If Everton draw at home to a bottom half team then Sky Sports is banned in my house for about 3 days until it's out of my system.
34 Posted 04/07/2021 at 09:30:16
Two mistakes, and that rat Jenas was all over it. A poor clearance with his right foot, and a slashed clearance when they kicked through the middle in 5 games.
5 clean sheets is brilliant at any level. Keepers are human, so stop the fucking witch hunt.
35 Posted 04/07/2021 at 09:40:01
But I'm jolly pleased that they won last night – 4-0 with good goals from Harry Kane and Maguire is a decent result.
36 Posted 04/07/2021 at 09:42:12
I found that odd. They're probably the same fans that will call him all kinds of abusive obscenities when / if he scores and celebrates in front of them next season.
I could never envisage me chanting whatever chant they do for Henderson. In fact, not even envisage. It won't ever happen. I remember sitting quietly when there was pandemonium going on around me during France 98 when Owen scored that goal against Argentina. All that was going through my head was Michael fucking Owen.
Like I say, international football for me is about enjoying the football. No allegiance. If there was a national UK team, I might feel different. But there isn't and won't ever be.
37 Posted 04/07/2021 at 09:44:45
It hurts, it really fucken hurts, because they're both mad Toffees, who've been everywhere, but they are still to witness that special joy that winning a trophy brings.
They've both seen us lose two League Cup semi-finals, and two FA Cup semi-finals, with their only real joy being that semi-final victory over Man Utd.
It's horrible, I hope the horrible little Spaniard can change things, and if Noah could build an ark, I'm sure I'll have no problem building our next winning manager a kings chair, because that's how desperate I'm becoming now.
Funny story, Danny, and if the rest of Europe can't fathom out the English, I'd say the rest of England find it even harder fathoming out us scousers, and it's something we wouldn't have any other way!
38 Posted 04/07/2021 at 09:46:38
Getting back to topic, I am delighted for Pickford. I was one of his biggest critics since he joined Everton, always regarded him as a liability with at least one mistake per game. I regarded him as a brilliant shot stopper and very good coming off his line. However, he did not have a commanding presence in the 6-yard box and his kick outs were awful often going directly out of play.
His erratic behaviour for me unsettled the defence. When Carlo omitted him for (injury, protection, or putting manners on him), he came back much more a team player, less erratic tantrums and hence a stable influence.
My only concern is, if England do win, and particularly if he keeps a clean sheet, that Jordan head will again be turned and he will again think he is bigger than the team. Over to you, Alan and Rafa.
39 Posted 04/07/2021 at 09:46:57
I said exactly the same thing last night. Can you imagine the national outcry if Jordan makes a pivotal mistake in the next game?
As to England generally, I am just not interested and think this probably started in 1970 when Brian Labone was blamed for the West Germany defeat and Peter Reid was blamed for not stopping Maradonna in 1986.
40 Posted 04/07/2021 at 09:53:53
“I thought England were magnificent last night.”
That was exactly what I thought when Everton beat Salford in the League Cup earlier in the season.
41 Posted 04/07/2021 at 09:57:11
There are many articles on this site for you to get your negative teeth into.
42 Posted 04/07/2021 at 09:57:44
I grew up on Wirral, feeling English. Married a Scot, who told me that I was British.
In my late 50s, I moved to Vienna, where I felt European. Brexit has caused me so many problems that I am moving to… Scotland! I did have a Scottish grandfather which entitles me to be Scottish – which annoys my daughters – as I am now anti-English because of Brexit and the lying buffoon (Prime Minister of England only).
However, I still find it difficult to support Scotland. Will always support England at cricket and rugby. Football too, particularly if there is no redshite in the team.
I commented very late on the Germany game and asked if anyone could tell me what Rice does on a football pitch. Deafening silence. Last night he did manage to play the ball forward once, it was actually a good shot. So my rating went from 1 (for turning up) to 2. The Guardian rated him 9! I must have been watching a different game!
43 Posted 04/07/2021 at 10:12:07
If Jordan Pickford doesn't do everything to perfection then the media are all over him. God help him if he makes a slip up in the semi-final, they will bury him for the Final (if we win) or forever.
Somebody else did a Sterling-type backpass last night that could have led to a goal and it was just forgotten about but Jordan slices a kick and the knives sharpen.
Also, sorry to say Sancho looks a diamond and Man Utd are going to take some beating next season. They might even be strong enough to come 2nd to us!!!!
44 Posted 04/07/2021 at 10:24:08
It's a discussion on ToffeeWeb - an Everton site. Not everyone will have the same views as you. No need to be angry about it.
Good luck to England but UTFT even more!
45 Posted 04/07/2021 at 10:25:36
46 Posted 04/07/2021 at 10:29:32
I'm personally ambivalent about England and always have been. I've no issues with people who are patriotic and get caught up in the frenzy of a tournament but neither is there a need for posters on here to lecture or attempt to censure those who hold a differing view.
A demographic analysis of Liverpool's population would reveal the city and surrounding areas have a large Celtic heritage; that, aligned to the political issues Darren alluded to, result in ambivalence and in some cases antipathy towards Ingerland.
47 Posted 04/07/2021 at 10:36:46
You couldn't get a more divided city than Glasgow, yet they all come together when Scotland play. But here, local tribalism overrides supporting England; I find that really strange.
Getting back to the Euros, it was a good win last night but, so far, we have had a very easy ride, the group stage was a formality and we played the poorest German side I have seen in a long time.
Again, last night, Ukraine were never in England's class. I think the commentator said they had 7 Shaktar Donesk players in their team, so it would have been a massive shock had they beaten England.
For me, Italy have been the stand-out side and they have definitely had the toughest side of the draw. And, very unlike the normal Italian sides, this team plays with a freedom that I have never seen an Italian side do before. So I think we will beat Denmark and meet Italy in the final. If we want to win it, we will have to step up to beat the Italians… but I hope we do.
48 Posted 04/07/2021 at 10:39:34
It won't replace the joy they will experience when (not if) they experience Everton lifting a trophy. Nothing surpasses that feeling and I've been married and had a son!!
To repeat myself, Pickford has shown so much improvement recently and is very much part of the reason England have progressed.
Unfortunately he will be beholden to an English media that as soon as they build footballers up, they can't wait to knock them down. Goalkeeper is often a lonely existence on the football pitch. Their mistakes are scrutinised much closer as they have much more impact. When they mess up, all the good they have done is all to easily forgotten very quickly. Noone forgets that Rice or Henderson played a misplaced pass or two, or that Kane missed a sitter, but one fumble from the keeper and its lynch mob time. Not a keeper example, but remember the media reaction to Beckham after France 98? You'd have been forgiven for thinking the lad was going straight to the Tower of London on arrival at Heathrow. Horrible creatures the British sporting media when they sharpen their knives.
Keep doing what you're doing Jordan. Good luck to you and make sure you're back at Finch Farm soon.
It's an Everton website. We are all Evertonians and contributors, just not all England followers. But those posting are doing so and giving opinion on the basis of following the tournament.
49 Posted 04/07/2021 at 10:44:26
50 Posted 04/07/2021 at 10:51:13
Again back on topic. Not taking anything away from England, but you're right. The group and the draw has been very kind to them, but that's football, right? I think their biggest test will come in the final. And when you get to a final you have as much a chance on the day as anyone, including the favourites.
My head tells me Italy, but I sense momentum behind England.
51 Posted 04/07/2021 at 10:56:35
For me, as a teenager, I sort of starting losing interest in England after 1970, because they seemed to shoot themselves in the foot by habitually choosing mediocre players to the detriment of performance. The exclusion of Harvey and Kendall compared with relative yard-dogs like Peter Storey is simply a specific example of a wider problem that, in my eyes, began around 1970, and has tended to continue to this day.
In the 70s, there was a lot of discussion about England needing to use more capable players from the same clubs, like West Germany using 5 or 6 players from Bayern Munich. So they tried, I recall, 4 or 5 from Liverpool, but to no positive effect, and the experiment wasn't pursued. The irony is, it could have been pursued more for the 1970 World Cup, when England used several Everton players, but arguably could have used more given our 1970 league-winning side and the English talent in it.
In principle, the entire Everton side from 1970 could have been the England team in Mexico, with players from other clubs providing strength-in-depth. But of course this particular potential club advantage was never used, and the rest is history.
As such, I tended to naturally lose interest in the entire England setup, without ‘refusing' to watch them, but it being a ‘natural process' of avoiding the kind of mediocrity that England were demonstrating. This feeling continues to this day.
I'll watch a mediocre Everton, because it's in my blood, but I won't tend to watch any other mediocre team, including England, because it's not in my blood and I have no particular urge to.
Best of luck to England, but I haven't watched any of it; I've been focused on other things of a higher priority to me.
52 Posted 04/07/2021 at 10:58:08
I'm English and want them to win, as did all the lads and lasses in my local last night, blue and red together.
Come on, England!
53 Posted 04/07/2021 at 11:20:25
Playing Germany, Spain, France, Holland etc when they have decent teams is doomed to failure. British sides playing a "foreign" way is fighting with one arm tied behind their back… and is as boring as fuck!
Continuous failure and boredom is an excellent recipe for apathy, so why people are surprised at a high level of disinterest is mad.
Compared to previous tournaments, not a single stand-out side exists; it is the most homogenous group of footballers I've ever seen. In which case, Southgate's snooze boys have as much chance as any. If they do it, I will be moderately pleased… but that's about it.
54 Posted 04/07/2021 at 11:26:49
Hope you're counting your money next Sunday, Darren!
55 Posted 04/07/2021 at 11:39:18
Regarding style of football, the irony (for me) is that the 1970 Everton side, that could have been the 1970 England side, were masters of a slick passing game untypical of British football at the time. Better technically than any other British side, and probably technically on a par with the great Brazil side that won that World Cup.
Imagine the midfield of Gerson, Rivelino & Clodoaldo against the Everton midfield of Ball, Harvey & Kendall.
56 Posted 04/07/2021 at 11:45:15
If you don't like England, don't comment. We are going to win this tournament.
57 Posted 04/07/2021 at 11:46:31
Everton was my place of birth, and nothing compares to seeing Everton win. I instantly thought back to the QPR game after reading your post, Danny, whilst remembering 50,000 Evertonians singing “Champions!” before moving on to Rotterdam and 30,000 Evertonians singing “We Shall Not Be Moved”. Then on to Bayern Munich at Goodison Park, and the greatest night of my life, especially when I got home and my mother told me she would pay for me to go the final!
The best thing about this tournament has been the return of fans into the stadiums, and seeing thousands of Jocks bringing back life to London. This is the reason I'm glad I'm going to Wembley on Wednesday, whilst praying for a return with Evertonians next May!
58 Posted 04/07/2021 at 11:53:13
For me it is part background and part political.
Because of my family, being from Liverpool has always been a first and foremost proud part of my identity. Politically, I identify as being British. There is no such thing (for now or in my lifetime) as an English passport. I hold a UK passport. I served in the UK Armed Forces, the British Army, for 28 years I served under a Union Flag, not a St George's Cross.
There is no right and wrong here. Its a nuance of the way the UK has been formed as a nation state while retaining the identities of the 4 nations. And the transient manner in which the people of those 4 nations move around and settle in different parts of the country. As the vast percentage of the UK population lives or has moved to England (84%), there is inevitably many so called English by virtue of where they were born who don't align to England because of family and background.
There is no comparison I can think of. The 16 German States, each with their own Parliament and Prime Minister don't compete as Bavaria or Lower Saxony on the international stage, they do so as Germany. Flanders & Walloon don't compete as individual nations, they represent Belguim. We are a unique nation state in that respect when it comes to football and rugby. There is no UK or team GB as in the Olympics.
I'm pretty sure that with population shifts over recent decades, there are many people born and bred in Liverpool (England) whose international allegiances lie with Italy or Poland. My friend and colleague from East London who has settled in Texas has 2 US passport holder children who are fanatical West Ham and England followers.
Deep for a Sunday morning but good discussion. Its all about identity and that is a personal choice.
Apart from Everton. That's non negotiable.
59 Posted 04/07/2021 at 11:56:23
This is an Everton website and two Everton players played for England last night, therefore posters are entitled to post their views about England aren't they?
It's amusing me that it's the big supporters of England on this thread who are getting riled simply because some of us are expressing indifference not hostility about England.
60 Posted 04/07/2021 at 11:59:58
Agree with that and it still dismays me how that side disintegrated so quickly.
Selling Alan Ball mortally wounded us and I still don't think we've truly recovered despite Howie's boys.
61 Posted 04/07/2021 at 12:01:12
Pretty much reflects the way my keen interest in England has diminished over the years - especially given the lack of blue boys in the team, and more than a smattering of the other lot getting selected.
Great to see our very own keeper re-emergence though. He seems so much more mature. The Southgate influence?
62 Posted 04/07/2021 at 12:01:19
Even better when we paint it blue next season.
I'm glad my West Midlands wife doesn't read ToffeeWeb. She gets annoyed with my England attitude at best and even though she's become accepting and tolerant of the other woman in my life (Everton) over the years, my Everton, wedding and birth of son comparisons probably represent a red line for her.
63 Posted 04/07/2021 at 12:38:31
Olympic football features a British national team, believe it or not.
Rather like Stan (#51), I have already expressed my hope England go on and win the tournament whilst not being enthused by it whatsoever. I'm also a little bemused by the abuse of anyone who has voiced a lack of enthusiasm for the tournament – no matter what the reasons may be.
One reason for me as yet unmentioned is it's a 24-team tournament, with a full second round and lucky third place losers – the exact same structure the World Cup Finals had up to and including the USA in 1994.
The Euros themselves had four teams until the 1980 edition, eight teams until "football came home" in 1996. A 24-team tournament for Europe on its own? Just bloated and pretty pointless, 'invented for TV' shite is my opinion, but then I feel similarly about a 64-team World Cup in a desert or an Olympics with no spectators that nobody in the host country is interested in having anymore as well.
Players are obviously a lot more widely traveled these days, and a lot of the mystery of seeing players you would never normally see has been removed from these tournaments as well.
There's plenty of other valid reasons as well but, for me at least, they are some of the main reasons I used to watch these sorts of things and now generally can't be bothered. That and the likes of Rooney going to these things and never coming back.
64 Posted 04/07/2021 at 12:50:40
"Continuous failure and boredom is an excellent recipe for apathy so why people are surprised at a high level of disinterest is mad."
See Everton for the last 25 years.
65 Posted 04/07/2021 at 12:56:46
Having been brought up on the 60s Everton sides, the Premier League Everton sides are of much less interest to me, and I sometimes can't be arsed to watch them. But I still tend to watch a lot of it. It's a fuckin curse.
My background of watching Alex Young and Alan Ball means that I naturally have a high regard for only a few modern British football sides. Principally the Arsenal Invincibles under Wenger, and Man City under Guardiola. Chelsea come a close second. All others are shite, including the current Everton, and people on ToffeWeb lauding the likes of Liverpool and Leicester (and England) make me laugh. It's all down to personal standards.
66 Posted 04/07/2021 at 13:10:15
I see your point, but lauding Chelsea and Man City does not float my boat, Billionaires' playthings made for the TV and only motivated by money.
I'd much rather go and watch Marine or Southport.
67 Posted 04/07/2021 at 13:16:32
Yes, I also take your point regarding the wealth injected into footy. But then Everton in the '60s was based on wealth. The detailed motivations of Moores might have been different from those of oil shieks and Russian oligarchs, but the point is the same about success and football aesthetics being based on wealth.
68 Posted 04/07/2021 at 13:29:55
My allegiances are based on having been born in Liverpool and raised in Yorkshire, and growing up in the '60s & '70s.
In football, I am fanatically pro anything Everton and anti anything RS. This includes watching a game where an ex-Everton trainee is playing and supporting them.
At international level, I support England and have the same feeling for Scotland as I do that lot across the park. This is a remnant from the rivalry of the Home Nations I watched in the '70s.
At rugby, I support England and love to see Wales lose as they were the benchmark side of my youth. In cricket, I'll support England and anyone playing Australia.
In all other things, I will support the Scouser, then the Lancastrian. After that, the Northerner, the English, the British then the European. All with the proviso that they aren't 'Reds'.
I find it hard to enjoy sport as a neutral as supporting a team or competitor gives it an edge. So, if all else fails and I turn on my TV or walk in the park and see a game and don't know who is playing whom, I support the team in Blue!
69 Posted 04/07/2021 at 14:00:34
70 Posted 04/07/2021 at 15:45:18
On the sunject of Greame Sharp, it's a mystery to me why he made so few appearances for Scotland, and only scored 1 goal. Does anyone have any answers to this?
71 Posted 04/07/2021 at 16:07:50
That's a very good point on the international front. Without sounding like a paranoid Evertonian, but maybe because he played for Everton, even during a successful period? As with Kendall and Harvey.
I have no idea and have never given it much thought. Maybe because Scotland then had a bigger pool of talent to choose from so the competition was high. Top of my head, Charlie Nicholas (Arsenal), Brian McClair (Celtic then United), Ali McCoist (Rangers & Scotland favourite) and then of course Dalglish.
72 Posted 04/07/2021 at 16:28:47
I was wondering if anyone would join the dots.
I call Ingerlund "Ingerton" because of the uncanny parallels.
73 Posted 04/07/2021 at 16:38:59
OTT media, pundits and fans now abound of course, but it was a deserved victory against only a modest side I'm afraid.
If any of the three teams left are able to raise their game, we're gonna have to do way better to actually win the thing.
A victory (or two) in a genuinely exciting, skilful match ain't too much to ask for is it?
74 Posted 04/07/2021 at 17:12:00
75 Posted 04/07/2021 at 17:15:41
Beaten Germany. Beaten the Czechs - quarter-finalists. No goals conceded. Sometimes they really can't win, can they?
76 Posted 04/07/2021 at 17:29:33
The Czechs were solid and I like that striker Schick, but not really threatening. I'd have him at Everton by the way if we can sneak him under the radar.
Germany are not Germany of a few years ago. Very much transitional. England beat the name, not the best of German teams. Not a German team like those who have won 4 World Cups and 3 Euros. But on paper, a huge scalp and historical rival. I get that.
They will have enough to get past a decent Denmark side and then once in the final it's anyone's on the day. It could well be England's. I've said from the start, they have a chance. More so now.
Forget my talk of having no allegiance to international football and forget I'm an Evertonian. My underlying fear is personal and around that this would mask over the underlying problems in our football pyramid and grass roots.
English football will think everything is all good when it isn't. As we've always done, we just sit and hope that a few good players come together at the right time and strike lucky. We have a fingers crossed strategy. There is no plan to it. Nothing will change on the mud ridden, daisy covered parks most our kids play on and only the elite academies will bask in the glory and investment. Sorry, I tend to get triggered by this!!
77 Posted 04/07/2021 at 17:39:55
Prior to the European and then global influx of players in the Premier League era, the home international countries benefited more than anyone else from their pipeline into top English football. Seamus represents one of the last real links to that more old fashioned era, signing a raw talent from the physical Irish league, much as Sharpie himself came over from Dunfermline.
Not sure Brands does much of his scouting north of Liverpool, to be honest.
78 Posted 04/07/2021 at 18:26:22
But Im not taking the piss, you are genuine England fans and want them to win, I just have a passing interest in them.
79 Posted 04/07/2021 at 18:28:56
80 Posted 04/07/2021 at 18:42:12
I think the words said something about Southgate turning them on. Disturbing on many counts.
81 Posted 04/07/2021 at 18:49:54
That's the problem English crowds are tone deaf every song comes across as a monotone dirge. Latino crowds on the other hand can not only hold a note but keep good time, listen to the Argentines.
82 Posted 04/07/2021 at 19:22:17
We've been getting anywhere between 30-70 English lads & lasses coming to watch the games. Amusingly other than the owner, I don't believe any of the local RS who have been in attendance for the England games have been Brit's. The saddest thing I've seen these US RS fans do was during the Germany game, a whole bunch of them came dressed in German shirts (none were German), as they were pushing the 'Scouse not English'/Anyone But England line. At the end of the game after being roundly laughed at, they quickly switched back to their RS shirts.
83 Posted 04/07/2021 at 20:20:33
Hope you can handle this but I actually agree with you 100%. We must have something in common. I think it is EVERTON.I had posted a truce response to you on the article about The New Ground (102). I may be going "soft" but if it isn't to your liking I can still get out the duelling swords. Always ready for debate.
85 Posted 04/07/2021 at 20:47:52
Everything else is just the beautiful game to watch and enjoy.
Enjoying Everton is periodic, but involves periods of anxiety, frustration and anger interspersed with moments of sheer elation that nothing else can emulate.
But we don't always have to enjoy Everton. We just are Everton and always will be.
86 Posted 04/07/2021 at 21:12:50
Some very good players in the ‘70s, until mid ‘80s,
Lets face it (the one mentioned above), Danny McGrain, Gordon Strachan, Archie Gemmill, Graeme Souness, and Alex McLeish are better than anyone they have had for years.
87 Posted 04/07/2021 at 21:36:48
88 Posted 04/07/2021 at 21:40:34
Too many pundits talk drivel, with crass biases that undermine any substance in their comments, and too many pro-England posts on social media are quite simply stupid. In addition, some England ‘supporters' appear feral in their behaviours.
All this, combined with the chronic mediocrity of England teams, means that the whole thing seems contrary to the very idea of the ‘beautiful game'. As such, it's very easy to be distracted onto more interesting things to spend your time on.
89 Posted 04/07/2021 at 22:47:27
90 Posted 04/07/2021 at 23:06:59
91 Posted 04/07/2021 at 23:12:41
92 Posted 04/07/2021 at 23:14:25
As for Scotland, I support British Andy Murray at Wimbledon – although having lost, he's now Scottish specifically.
93 Posted 05/07/2021 at 15:58:53
Sorry folks... couldn't resist like.🙊
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