Delph to miss winnowed Florida Cup due to self-isolation

Wednesday, 21 July, 2021 149comments  |  Jump to last
Inter and Arsenal withdraw

Fabian Delph was not on the plane when Everton's squad flew out to Orlando today because he has had to self-isolate and will miss the Florida Cup which is now down to just two teams.

The midfielder was pinged by the Government's COVID-19 track-and-trace system and was advised to quarantine after coming into contact with someone who has tested positive for the virus.

“Everton can confirm that Fabian Delph will not travel with the squad to the Florida Cup in Orlando as a precautionary measure after coming into contact with someone who has since tested positive for Covid-19,” read a club statement.

“Delph, who began his preparations for the coming season on 5 July and has played in both of the Club's practice matches — including a 1-0 victory against Blackburn Rovers on Saturday — will resume his pre-season training as soon as his period of self-isolation is over.”

What was originally a four-team tournament is now down to just two after Arsenal announced that they were pulling out following a number of positive Covid-19 tests among their squad players and backroom staff.

That was followed, after the Everton party had departed the UK, by news from Inter Milan that they, too, were withdrawing from the Florida Cup leaving just Everton and Millonarios who will now meet at 6:00 EDT (11:00 BST) on Sunday evening at Camping World Stadium in Orlando with further updates to come from the tournament organisers.


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Robert Jones
1 Posted 21/07/2021 at 14:09:04
Sorry for being meanspirited, but how would we tell the difference? He's barely played since signing for us.
Tony Abrahams
2 Posted 21/07/2021 at 14:41:38
If the cases continue to rise at the rate the scientists predict, how long will it be before this pingdemic shuts most of the country down?
Dave Williams
3 Posted 21/07/2021 at 15:34:07
Exactly Tony! Boris has released us from his restraints only to lock us all up eventually. How come they didn’t see this coming. or did they?
David Pearl
4 Posted 21/07/2021 at 15:40:24
Its a whole different story if Delph can stay fit. Trouble is the other 5 vying for spots. Interesting to see what formation our waiter, sorry... our manager has in mind. I'm starting to look forward to the season now. Silly me.
Dennis Stevens
5 Posted 21/07/2021 at 15:55:09
It's pingdemonium!
Jay Wood

6 Posted 21/07/2021 at 16:00:06
Speculation on whether Everton also intended to pull out of the tournament following Arsenal's own withdrawal can be put to bed, judged by this story on the club site. The team flew out this morning and are probably mid-Atlantic as I write:

Everton Depart For Florida

Barry Hesketh
7 Posted 21/07/2021 at 18:15:12
Just the one game then, unless we fly straight back from the US.
Inter Milan have pulled out of the Florida Cup in order to 'protect their squad'.

According to Angelo Mangiante, the Italian ginats were due to travel to America tomorrow but will now NOT travel and consequently won't be taking part in the Florida Cup.

Much like with the situation around Arsenal stepping away from the competition, with a small number of their travelling party testing positive for coronavirus, Mangiante suggests that it is because of the Covid situation in travel that requires 'caution'

Terry White
8 Posted 21/07/2021 at 18:38:11
Now travelling to the state with the most current positive cases of covid under the Delta variant for one game. Anybody know how many of our squad have been fully vaccinated? I can only hope we do not come back with a whole team with covid and, at best, have to self-isolate.

We should have pulled out also.

Ray Robinson
9 Posted 21/07/2021 at 18:44:03
Just out of interest as I am slightly apprehensive in light of the current rocketing covid infections, how many of you all will be attending the first home match in just over 3 weeks time?
Barry Hesketh
10 Posted 21/07/2021 at 18:48:52
Ray @9
I don't believe you are alone in your apprehension. If the figures that some SAGE scientists are predicting for cases and hospitalisations in the coming weeks are proved correct, it might result in a limited capacity or even behind closed doors again. I note that Man City has decided to call off their friendly with Troyes in France, due to the quarantine rules and their match with Preston will be played behind closed doors.
Kieran Kinsella
11 Posted 21/07/2021 at 18:50:52

I wonder (after Gilmore) if the Colombians are vaccinated? Their country as a whole has vaccinated just 20 percent, and among other vaccines they use the Chinese vaccine which is 51 percent effective. Just imagine James greeting all his countrymen then being ruled out with assymptomatic Covid and fatigue.

As far as I can see we are the only team with a friendly outside Europe, with Leeds and Liverpool the only teams with a friendly outside the UK. A pretty big gamble just to sell a few James shirts.

Kieran Kinsella
12 Posted 21/07/2021 at 18:53:35
The official website for the Florida cup are still selling tickets for TBD against probably TBD and Everton/Colombia v TBD for up to $300. This late I can’t imagine TBD being anyone worth playing $300 to watch
Paul Hewitt
13 Posted 21/07/2021 at 18:56:33
It was crazy agreeing to this tournament with a pandemic going around.
Barry Hesketh
14 Posted 21/07/2021 at 18:56:52
Kieran @12
Who exactly has organised this tournament? Is it a private entity or a footballing body? It was nice of Milan to wait until we'd left the UK before announcing their withdrawal.
Jay Harris
15 Posted 21/07/2021 at 19:07:49
Yes BArry and it looks like Ive bought tickets to watch Everton training. Even the MLS clubs will not be able to compete due to their own plans and fixtures.

Everton A v Everton B or attack v defence? anyone ?

Kieran Kinsella
16 Posted 21/07/2021 at 19:09:33

Seemingly it’s run by a business called Florida Cup LLC, CEO named Ricardo Villar, which is said to have got a 30,000 bailout loan from the feds last year to cover wages of the firms “one employee.” Maybe Ricardo himself? It looks as if it’s basically thrown together by this bloke and funded by sponsors like Universal of Orlando. As for Inter, Lukaku was shown today already doing individual training in Florida before linking up with his team mates. Hopefully they’ll let him know not to wait up.

Barry Hesketh
17 Posted 21/07/2021 at 19:11:01
Cheers Kieran - Lukaku to rejoin Toffees exclusive? :)
Kieran Kinsella
18 Posted 21/07/2021 at 19:11:50
Mike Gaynes
19 Posted 21/07/2021 at 19:13:19
Today's Wednesday. The game with Millonarios is scheduled for next Monday. There's still time for sanity to set in. Cancel the damned thing and turn the plane around.

Orange County, Florida is seeing up to 700 new virus cases a day.

Enough of this idiocy.

Colin Glassar
20 Posted 21/07/2021 at 19:15:19
Does Delph even remember what a football looks like?
Jay Harris
21 Posted 21/07/2021 at 19:21:06
I think you'll find the first game is Sunday. I hope so cos my ticket says July 25th.
Simon Dalzell
22 Posted 21/07/2021 at 19:28:21
Ray (9). I'm really hoping my son and I will be able to get tickets for the first game. I'm not sure how difficult it will be to obtain them. Here's hoping.
Jay Harris
23 Posted 21/07/2021 at 19:30:48
There are still tickets available Simon
Frank Crewe
24 Posted 21/07/2021 at 19:36:53
Delph has been self isolating for the last three years.
Pat Kelly
25 Posted 21/07/2021 at 19:38:15
So we're through to the final ? You have to hand it to Rafa. A Cup final in his first season. And that's without our star player Fabulous Delph.
Roger Helm
26 Posted 21/07/2021 at 19:43:04
I wouldn’t worry about going to the game. It’s now four months since there was more than a handful of daily deaths, and they probably the vaccine refusers, and people who died with rather than of COVID.

The increased numbers are of positive tests, not necessarily cases, a case being an ill patient needing treatment. They keep frightening us with tales of new variants, but now we nearly all have antibodies, any infection will probably result in mild or even no symptoms. That has been the experience of people I know who tested positive.

Barry Hesketh
27 Posted 21/07/2021 at 19:44:03
Pat @25
After a narrow defeat in the Final, Benni (the manager) says "it was a difficult tournament, with so little downtime between fixtures, the players tried their very best, but in the end, the Colombians were much fitter and sharper - hopefully, the team will be ready for the real kick-off against Southampton next month"

Derek Knox
28 Posted 21/07/2021 at 19:47:39
We love you Rafa, We don't !

This guy knows how to win Cups.

Have we ordered a Bus for the parading of the Florida Cup? Is it to be televised? Will extra policing measures be introduced to control the public support and people turning up in their thousands just to smell the fumes of the Bus because they have no chance of getting any nearer?

Answers on a Stamped Addressed Grain of Rice please!

Mike Gaynes
29 Posted 21/07/2021 at 19:52:08
Oops, you're right, Jay. My bad.

Bring a ball... you and the rest of the fans might have the run of the pitch for a pickup game.

Derek Knox
30 Posted 21/07/2021 at 19:52:27
Sorry before, I lost the thread a little, but surely there is something in Trading Standards to make us claim under Faulty Goods, or not fit for purpose. His Contract should be terminated forthwith, and made to pay some retribution for Stealing Money on a regular basis.
Mike Gaynes
31 Posted 21/07/2021 at 20:00:22
Pat #25, and you have to admit the man has lived up to his reputation as a defensive mastermind. We haven't given up a single goal in our run to the final.
Pat Kelly
32 Posted 21/07/2021 at 20:16:54
Once again we can't even get a semi
Terry White
33 Posted 21/07/2021 at 20:24:33
I wonder how many is a "handful" in your world, Roger (#26). Perhaps you would like to speak to the family members and friends of the loved ones who have died through Covid that it's a pity, but they were only one of a "handful"? How many have to die before you consider it's nothing to worry about? One death is one too many.

One thing you are correct to say which is that the majority of the current cases are those who have not been vaccinated. But since approximately 50% of Florida residents have not been vaccinated that does leave a lot of Floridians who are in a position to catch and spread the virus, primarily now the Delta variant.

You are delusional and with your comments you are spreading a great deal of disinformation.

Ray Robinson
34 Posted 21/07/2021 at 20:25:36
Roger #26. Glad that's your experience but, believe me, it's not everyone's. Also, I have a close friend who is currently undergoing chemo and whose immune system might be compromised, even though he's double-jabbed. You may be lucky enough to not suffer much personally but you can still pass it on. Why is mad Boris considering only allowing double vaccinated to events of more than 20,000 from some time in September but, at the moment, allowing unrestricted attendances at the start of the season. Beggars belief!
Lev Vellene
35 Posted 21/07/2021 at 20:33:26
That photographer deserves an award! Must have been a high-speed camera to catch Delph being in the Everton shirt!
Simon Dalzell
36 Posted 21/07/2021 at 20:35:01
Thanks Jay. (23). Are we talking about the first home game v Southampton. I can't find anything at all on the Everton website regarding tickets
Jay Harris
37 Posted 21/07/2021 at 20:42:07
Sorry crossed lines Simon.
Jay Harris
38 Posted 21/07/2021 at 20:45:01
I was thinking Florida cup. I darent think as far ahead as the first game. I will have nightmares.
Roger Helm
39 Posted 21/07/2021 at 20:45:31
Terry and Ray, a dozen or so daily deaths in a country of 60 million is a handful, when you consider how many thousands die of other causes.

One death is too many? The logic of that leads to a complete shutdown like spring last year. And if the economy collapses, which it would, what would that do the physical and mental health of the nation? I am old enough to remember the mass unemployment of the seventies, perhaps you are not. And have you considered the excess deaths that are going to happen due to last year’s missed cancer and heart disease diagnoses?

Of course vulnerable people need to be protected, but the way do do that is by self-isolation and the use of FFP3 masks and eye protection and frequent hand washing, not by relying on other people to wear masks which have minimal effect.

John Cook
40 Posted 21/07/2021 at 20:47:18
Just heard on the Echo site we had a scout Chris Perkins for 18 months, now gone to Spurs.Now I never heard of this character but if he is as successful with Spurs in the next 18 months as are recruitment record has been, then they are fuckin welcome to him !
Dale Self
41 Posted 21/07/2021 at 20:50:31
Speaking of excess deaths, the number for this COVID period is TEN TIMES the normal expectations from actuarial projections which are very stable if you're thinking about challenging that. So let's factor everything up by ten when we're talking about handfuls.

And well, some of us believe that with our health care system capacity and availability of treatment at this point one more death is too many.

Roger Helm
42 Posted 21/07/2021 at 21:18:45
Dale, if you want not one single person to die of COVID, it means the whole population, and I mean everyone, confined to home for two weeks and thereafter no one entering or leaving the country, indefinitely.

Australia tried that and you can see the result.

Tom Harvey
43 Posted 21/07/2021 at 21:19:12
John Cook @ 40

If his one and only signing for us was Godfrey then I want him back now!

Steven Telford
44 Posted 21/07/2021 at 21:22:44
Get this guy and his stupid wages off the books ASAP, another 'mug buy' from EFC.
Will Mabon
47 Posted 21/07/2021 at 21:25:20
"One thing you are correct to say which is that the majority of the current cases are those who have not been vaccinated. But since approximately 50% of Florida residents have not been vaccinated that does leave a lot of Floridians who are in a position to catch and spread the virus, primarily now the Delta variant."

The vaccine is not claimed to stop infection by or transmission of the "Virus".

Ray Robinson
48 Posted 21/07/2021 at 21:26:29
I'm not sure that I'm advocating another full blown lockdown, Roger. Just that if Johnson is considering restricting crowds of 20,000 to double vaccinated only from September, why not now? I'm far less gung ho than you obviously are. And by the way, covid deaths in the last few days were 96 and 73, not a dozen or so.
Tom Harvey
49 Posted 21/07/2021 at 21:27:30
We've sent the squad to from a place where Covid is exploding again to another place where Covid is exploding again?

I understand we want to develop the US market, but this isn't the time. Our neigbours are currently, quietly and safely in Austria where the virus is dying out rapidly, they'll probably start the season with a full squad to choose from. Will we?

Why does our club do things like this?

Tom Harvey
50 Posted 21/07/2021 at 21:32:39
As for Delph this is just another few weeks of free money to pile up.
Terry White
51 Posted 21/07/2021 at 21:35:25
Roger (#39), a "dozen or so daily deaths in a country of 60 million". Clearly you are not speaking about the US. The game is being played in Florida and any comparison against the UK, for example, is meaningless. It is what is happening in Florida and the US that is critical in this situation. Yes, I do live in the US.

If you are not concerned about the rising rates of the coronavirus in the US, then you should be because that is where the Blue squad has landed to play a "friendly" game in a state that is seeing rising cases of the virus. You should be concerned about the fans who are travelling to that state to watch the game and will be close to a lot of other people without knowing whether these have been vaccinated or not. And with the number of summer visitors to the nearby theme parks you can be assured the number of positive cases will rise. Sure, not everybody will die and people might just feel ill. Do you want to feel the symptoms of the virus which may or may not be serious in your case? This does not help local hospitals who are seeing a big rise again in people seeking hospital assistance, primarily from the unvaccinated. Many of whom are now saying thy wish that they had been vaccinated.

The only preferential way to avoid the virus in the US is to be vaccinated. There is a reason why travel between the UK and the US is restricted right now.

Michael Boardman
52 Posted 21/07/2021 at 21:38:19
Delph, in contact with someone, didn't know physio benches could carry covid. Self-isolate, as opposed to what he normally does???
Chris Williams
53 Posted 21/07/2021 at 21:45:12

Just so you know, the majority of those being infected are now those who have been vaccinated, at least once. Predominantly, aged between late teens or so and 30. So their vaccination, if they’ve had it, Is recent, and so, susceptible to infections.

Vaccination uptake seems to be slowing down. Possibly because younger people don’t feel so vulnerable.

The usual covidiot denial continues unabated I see. No mention of the rate of deaths increasing at about 50 plus % every day. It’s not about the absolute deaths daily but the rate of increase on a daily basis. As infections increase massively, so must deaths, sooner or later. It’s inevitable and simple maths. One follows the other. The link between infections and deaths has been weakened, not broken.

It’s there to see for those who want to see, and this is under social distancing measures, just finished.

Bobby Mallon
54 Posted 21/07/2021 at 21:46:45
Roger helm very true. Where I work we are on an outage that’s 3 weeks behind because of covid. 26 people tested positive but all have said it wasn’t that bad. All had been double jabbed.
Will Mabon
55 Posted 21/07/2021 at 21:50:51
"The only preferential way to avoid the virus in the US is to be vaccinated."

Depends what you mean by "Avoid". If you mean avoid full symptoms, then the vaccine claims to lessen them.

There is no way to avoid inhaling airborne particles/pathogens into the body, short of permanent isolation forever in a controlled environment.

The vaccines(s) are not claimed to prevent infection.

Bobby Mallon
56 Posted 21/07/2021 at 21:53:28
Terry white @ 33 he’s not spreading disinformation, he’s just saying IF YOU HAVE HAD 2jabs don’t worry to much as it’s people who haven’t had the jabs that are getting ill. There has to come a time when we go for it.
Lev Vellene
57 Posted 21/07/2021 at 21:55:49
Now, maybe let's hope he can realize he's got this last chance to prove himself! ?
Will Mabon
58 Posted 21/07/2021 at 21:56:29
"It’s there to see for those who want to see, and this is under social distancing measures, just finished."

So the government, fighting to stop this deadly contagion, then removes social distancing measures, and "Opens up" the country.

Who wants to see what?

Benjamin Dyke
59 Posted 21/07/2021 at 22:06:42
On a side note won't the non-appearance of a certain player in the squad announce to the world who's been arrested. Is that why Delph has withdrawn, to make it a 50-50 guess?
Terry White
60 Posted 21/07/2021 at 22:09:25
Chris (#53), I take all you say.

Here is another current news article which takes an opposite view, saying the majority of cases are the young and the unvaccinated.

Once again I emphasise, what is happening in the UK cannot be compared to what is happening in the US where there is a big rise in new cases largely driven by the Delta variant. And, sadly, unvaccinated people not wearing masks.

I agree that the vaccination does not cure all evils or protect against all symptoms of the virus. But it is certainly the best you can do to protect yourself and, lest we forget, others.

Dale Self
61 Posted 21/07/2021 at 22:14:22
Roger, you will sleep well knowing I am not in control of public health mandates. I'm not familiar with Australia's predicament but what India and Brazil tried is the thing to avoid isn't it?
Joe Francis
62 Posted 21/07/2021 at 22:16:43
Kieran (16): "As for Inter, Lukaku was shown today already doing individual training in Florida before linking up with his team mates."

How about Lukaku vs Everton? I'm guessing that Lukaku wins.

Kristian Boyce
63 Posted 21/07/2021 at 22:19:49
I'm due to head down to the Sunshine state on Friday morning, but the competition hosts put out a slightly confusing tweet earlier about reimbursement of tickets due to the original line up not being able to play. I guess our game now is at 6pm local time against Millionarios, but no one knows if we have to repurchase tickets just for the Sunday game and no one has a clue if we are going to play again on Wednesday. It's an absolute mess at the moment. I know a few Everton & Arsenal fans who have already arrived in Florida just for the games. As a former Florida resident, I'm not overly excited about going back down to the cesspool that is Orlando (sorry Jamie).
Kieran Kinsella
64 Posted 21/07/2021 at 22:31:58

Most likely unless we take him to penalties

Karen Mason
65 Posted 21/07/2021 at 22:32:39
Frank @ 24, Lev @35, Michael @ 52
Thank you for making me laugh today.
Very funny !! 😂
Kieran Kinsella
66 Posted 21/07/2021 at 22:44:43

That’s a weird statement and reads to me as if you’ll be refunded then can buy them again but weirdly it does reference the final to be contested with who exactly? Or will we just play Millionaros twice?

Mike Gaynes
67 Posted 21/07/2021 at 23:08:10
Will, you have said this twice I believe: "The vaccine is not claimed to stop infection by or transmission of the "Virus"."

Yes. It is.

The vaccine has been showed to be 95% effective in preventing infection and transmission by the original virus, and appears to be slightly less so against the Delta variant. No vaccine is 100% effective (except polio), so some people who have had the double jabs do get infected anyway.

What's most important, however, is that the shots are virtually 100% effective in preventing death and serious illness from COVID. The US CDC as well as state agencies and treatment centers say that all current COVID deaths and critical care patients here are unvaccinated. All of them.

Dale Self
68 Posted 21/07/2021 at 23:22:09
There was talk early on that the vaccine was really only blocking the severe symptoms. I'm not sure they went back to clear that up when the data started coming in and there are some questions about the breakthrough infections.

Oh and by the way, don't get exhausted now here comes the lambda variant. It's about time to reword some old standards by Tom Lehrer and start singing.

Kristian Boyce
70 Posted 21/07/2021 at 23:25:33
Kieran, I've being told that we are getting full refunds now for both the games as well as the pre-paid parking. They are doing general admission at the gate now, so we can basically we can sit anywhere. What I've heard is that Arsenal & Inter are stumping up the refunds due to their non-appearances. No word on Wednesday's game yet though.

If the game's do get cancelled, I'll take full responsibility for it. My last trip back home coincided with me having tickets for the derby, the one cancelled due to Covid. So now with these games in jeopardy, I'll let everyone know on here the next time I'm planning on coming back over (there's a good chance it will be in January so I'm giving you all a warning now).

Paul Birmingham
71 Posted 21/07/2021 at 23:29:07
This is the nap, from the fraud of a journeyman player, who’s not played well, since he left Villa.

His last decent game was when he helped Villa beat the RS, in a former Milk Cup, knock on equivalent, final, at Wembley.

At, City in my view he lost the desire, and Silva bought a duff who is a fraud of an Everton player.

Made up in some ways that some of the better up and coming youth players, area in the squad and played last season, will have an improved chance of progressing, after the Italian job, this season.

Seen some positives knowing some youngsters are now part of the first team development plan.

Each to their own, and reality over history, and proper economical growth development of the North Docks.

What’s the issue, beyond bullshit bingo ergonomics, and the reality of making a renaissance of real estate rotting in past history, and not helping the regional economy?

Fekkn, those do Good, hyprocrites., from UNESCO, whom have never been to the North Docks, and north end of Liverpool, and have never smelt the air and felt the nostalgia of the North Liverpool Docks.

Onwards and upwards in spirit for Everton, the City and the North Docks regeneration project.

Ironic, the publicised descision announced fromUNESCO,, that is Liverpools cultural loss in terms of sea trade and communities.

Another Heist, but this is a heist that will grow positive, and the City of Liverpool, and all in the City region will prosper.

Nark, over..
Weekend is near and does any one have any clues to seeing the game, this weekend ?

That’s another story, a two team tournament..

Hopefully Everton can win, and the latter day Spanish Cat, may yet win more Evertonians over.

Hope eternal.

Dale Self
72 Posted 21/07/2021 at 23:42:06
Hey, if you're bumming at all- over anything at all, seriously, check out DCL stylin it. Yeeeeeeuh! ok, the buckles on those shoes are questionable. Has he been hanging out with Lenny Kravitz?
Ernie Baywood
73 Posted 22/07/2021 at 04:26:05
Benjamin #59. This cynic thought exactly the same thing.

Mind you we've announced why Delph isn't going. Have we announced the reasoning behind any other 31 year olds who aren't appearing?

I'm actually at the point now where I hope it's true. This is all pretty brutal if it's not.

Pete Clarke
74 Posted 22/07/2021 at 06:47:37
As if us Evertonians have not had enough crap served up to us over the past 20-odd years and our pride severely hit. We now have a run-of-the-mill manager who has more to prove to us early on than any other manager ever.

We have headlines about Delph not being able to make it to a meaningless game overseas when he is one of our worst signings ever and has a horrible attitude.

We then have Calvert-Lewin and Tom Davies dressed up like some clowns at a fashion show for the Village People. These are two players that clearly think they are at the top of their trade and can do what they like. The opposite is true for me as they both still have everything to prove.

There will be a lot of long-lost Evertonians turning in their graves at the way this club has gone.

Derek Knox
75 Posted 22/07/2021 at 06:53:08
Dale, fear not! The Fashion Police have been alerted and are currently trying to redress both the situation and DCL! 🤔😜😂

I meant to add too, that there was a similar photo some time ago when DCL and Skater Boy Tom Davies both went to New York, and posed for a photo in similarly garish garb. They looked more like Quentin Crisp and Beau Brummell than Professional Footballers !

Mark Rankin
76 Posted 22/07/2021 at 07:05:02
With the virus we have to accept the situation we are in. Boris Johnson and his ilk completely fuckkd up, hundreds of thousands/millions of people died as a result. The virus could have been contained with public health measures but it wasn't and, as a result, it is now endemic. Due to the vaccines, we are in a different position to last May or January this year, far less people are dying. If you are eligible, get vaccinated and start living.
John Cook
77 Posted 22/07/2021 at 08:13:42
Tom Harvey @ 43,

I didn't know this guy was credited in bringing Godfrey in but you must agree our scouting system is abysmal compared to the likes of Leicester, Southampton, Leipzig etc, the discussion goes deeper as we need to look at the scouting system, recruitment, and the academy that are all linked and need a complete overhaul.

Robert Tressell
78 Posted 22/07/2021 at 08:41:37
John #77,

I expect our scouting system is okay – especially after a recent upgrade from Brands. Leipzig will be far ahead because, through Red Bull, they seem to scour Africa for teenagers from places like Zimbabwe. But, aside from that, there aren't really any hidden gems in the age 18 to 23 category. They're all known to the clubs.

I think the problem is more our recruitment strategy which overlooks the profile of player Leicester, Leipzig and others buy – because we lurch from one flawed short-term strategy to another.

It's why we've deteriorated through spending more than the RS over the last 5 years, while making it easy for the likes of Villa to build a squad of about the same quality in no time at all.

Nick Page
79 Posted 22/07/2021 at 08:48:03
We have a scouting system?
Des Farren
80 Posted 22/07/2021 at 09:04:16
"Delph to miss" most popular headline onToffeeWeb?
Derek Knox
81 Posted 22/07/2021 at 09:30:39
Des, there was an even bigger one about an Everton player recently, but I suppose he missed that too, good sound proofing in that Treatment Room I have heard. They even have a Cash Calculator to work out how much has been earned whilst being unavailable!
Kim Vivian
82 Posted 22/07/2021 at 09:32:00
Des - I think you mean "most common...", but acually, speaking for myself, it is a most popular headline. Can't stick the bloke.

Aside from that - how many people knew what "winnowed" means?

Rob Halligan
83 Posted 22/07/2021 at 09:40:04
The organisers of this Florida cup confirm the Everton game to go ahead as planned. No news, as yet, if any replacement teams will be brought in. Would it not be possible for two MLS teams to participate? I know they are in the middle of their season, but surely two teams could miss a couple of MLS games to participate in this meaningless tournament. All refunds to be processed automatically, with pay on the gate for any fans still wishing to go.
Dave Williams
84 Posted 22/07/2021 at 09:48:14
Pete- DCL dressing in an outlandish fashion doesn’t mean he thinks he knows it all. He’s having a bit of harmless fun after a very long season in which he proved a lot of people wrong. If he scores twenty goals or more again let him dress how he likes.
Pat Kelly
85 Posted 22/07/2021 at 10:16:46
Florida Cup revised schedule just announced :

Quarter Final
Everton v Millonarios

Semi Final
Winner of Quarter Final v best runner up in Quarter Final

Semi Final winner v best Semi Final loser (goal difference will apply)

Third and Fourth place playoff
To be confirmed

Tony Everan
86 Posted 22/07/2021 at 10:21:37
Pat, is there a wall chart so we can follow the potential permutations?
Pat Kelly
87 Posted 22/07/2021 at 10:31:59
Tony, the wall chart is free in this week's Shoot
Allen Rodgers
88 Posted 22/07/2021 at 10:43:44
Kim @82, not being from an agricultural background I had to google 'winnowed' Something to do with getting rid of the chaff, which is what Everton are trying to do at the moment !
Kim Vivian
89 Posted 22/07/2021 at 10:52:17
Allen - likewise (although I do have some agricultural background from a previous life). Also can be defined as " to reduce a large number of people or things to a much smaller number (by judging their quality)"...

- so doubly relevant so far as this tournament and our squad goes.

Barry Hesketh
90 Posted 22/07/2021 at 11:00:32
Delph is apparently very unhappy with the club due to his wrongly being linked to the unsavoury events of last weekend. It's also being reported that he along with James and others will be allowed to leave should another club come in for them.

For UK residents the BBC red button is showing live Olympic Football, with the coverage of Brazil's game with Germany beginning at 12:15 pm today.

Jerome Shields
91 Posted 22/07/2021 at 11:04:09
The game with Millonarios is being heavily promoted on Everton associated South American wedsites. Everton have to fulfil this engagement. Delph won't be missed.

Benn Chambers
92 Posted 22/07/2021 at 11:45:19
Delph? Pfffft.

What the fuck is a Delph anyway? He’s like a unicorn or the tooth fairy. I detest the lad and his attitude. How the fuck can you get paid £80k a week and not work weekends ???? He’s a troll. Possibly the worst signing this club has ever made and that’s saying something. He has no desire to play footy at all and he has 4 periods a month. He’s a shambles of a player, and I use the term “Player” lightly. I’ll rejoice when he contract comes to an end. I’ve never wanted to see the back of someone so much. If he’s honest and has any integrity at all, he’ll retire ……. Not that anyone would touch him like, but he needs to stop taking wages from teams he offers zero too. Finances are tight now and he offers fuck all to any employer to receive a wage. He’s a disgrace. He’s finished and has been for about 8 years. Look at his wiki page. The year he made his professional debut and the amount of games he’s played….. it’s embarrassing. Truly truly embarrassing. 15 years as a professional and his stats are pathetic. He’s a joke.

The little rat bastard.

Ian Burns
93 Posted 22/07/2021 at 12:07:16
Benn - 92 - I presume you don’t like Delph?

I am on the same page as are most blues fans but expecting him to walk away from 80k without working weekends is a bit much to ask. Would you? If he did, he could take Iwobi with him - now there’s a happy thought!

Tom Bowers
94 Posted 22/07/2021 at 12:14:42
Looks like this tournament is a bust. Maybe they will play the remaining side 3 times instead with the best of three taking the trophy.

On the Delph saga I have to ask, how many players have we signed in recent seasons who we thought would be useful but have turned out to be just ''sick note'' carriers getting well paid for nothing. Hopefully Gbamin gets to put in a shift this season.

Benn Chambers
95 Posted 22/07/2021 at 12:31:35
Ian #93

I don’t expect him to walk from £80k a week like, I don’t expect him to walk at all. That’s his main issue. I’d be delighted if he hobbled away with Iwobi and Tosun and Bernard and Holgate and Gomes and Sigurdsson. That would allow us a proper rebuild. I’m just glad the gravy train appears to be over now. We should only be lying top dollar wages now to players who earn it and are worth of it.

Kim Vivian
96 Posted 22/07/2021 at 12:33:40
Brazil - Germany on BBC red button now if anyone's interested. Richie's starting.

Live forum, eds???

Goal - RICHIEEEEE. Put through on goal, good shot saved follows up with a good finish off the rebound.

Barry Hesketh
97 Posted 22/07/2021 at 12:38:24
Richarlison has just put Brazil ahead Kim.
Kim Vivian
98 Posted 22/07/2021 at 12:40:21
Scored while I still had my edit button Barry! Thanks
Jay Wood

99 Posted 22/07/2021 at 12:49:26
Brazil quick out of the traps and dominating.

Richy, playing in the iconical #10 shirt for Brazil for the first time, put clean through in a similar position to his goal at Anfield, first shoots against the keeper, but puts the rebound in from a sharp angle just 9 minutes into the game.

Should be 2-0. Long punt out of defence. Last German defender attempts a weak back header to the keeper. Richy picks up the ball in acres of space, dithers, keeper smothers, chance gone.

Rob Halligan
100 Posted 22/07/2021 at 12:51:42
Jay, I'm surprised to see Dani Alves still playing. I thought he had retired years ago?

2-0. Richarlison again.

Tony Shelby
101 Posted 22/07/2021 at 12:53:20

Oh shit, that’s Richi leaving us then!

Jay Wood

102 Posted 22/07/2021 at 12:56:31
Richy again with a thumping header. Held his position at the edge of the area well before attacking the 6 yard box as the cross came in from the touchline.

22 minutes in and the Brazilian commentary wanting another 5 goals for some reason...

Richy FYI asked for the #10 shirt saying he wants to leave his mark on the Olympics by being the top goalscorer/striker.

Rob Halligan
103 Posted 22/07/2021 at 13:00:07
Hat trick inside 30 minutes.
Tony Everan
104 Posted 22/07/2021 at 13:01:23
Cracking finishing from our Richie, he's ripping it up
Kim Vivian
105 Posted 22/07/2021 at 13:02:52
See Demrai Gray's a blue confirmed. No 11 shirt.
Jay Wood

106 Posted 22/07/2021 at 13:04:29
Rob, Dani boy returned to Brazil a couple of seasons ago with Sao Paulo, mostly as a holding midfielder.

Even at 38 he still oozes class and SP were running away with the Brazilian league driven by him until bizarrely they totally collapsed and threw it all away. Now in the relegation zone after 12 games this season. This is his 1st Olympics ever as a 'thank you' by Brazilian FA. And as you can see, he's still got it.

ANNNDDD...a nice 3rd and hat trick for Richy. And almost a 4th! Brazil are all over Germany at the moment.

Ian Burns
107 Posted 22/07/2021 at 13:08:46
Jay - 102 - they want another 5 to revenge the 7-1 at the WC - but did you realise that and it was a tongue-in-cheek comment?
Jay Wood

108 Posted 22/07/2021 at 13:08:52
Cue talk from the Brazilian commentary about Everton getting a call from Real Madrid and the likes in the coming days.
Kim Vivian
109 Posted 22/07/2021 at 13:08:52
Fuck - 3 good goals from our man.
Jay Wood

110 Posted 22/07/2021 at 13:12:32
Ian, Germany beat Brazil 7-1 at the WC?

Goodness me, whoever knew? Did it make the papers?


Jay Wood

111 Posted 22/07/2021 at 13:17:47
Now a penalty on the stroke of halftime but Richy not taking it. SAVED! Hit well, good save.
Andy Crooks
112 Posted 22/07/2021 at 13:22:42
Some cracking posts. Benn @ 92, that is a rant that I would be proud to call my own.
Pete@ 74, love it. The kids now days just don't know what fashion is. We could teach them a thing or two, even today.
I can recall back in 1977 being at a disco( don't think that word is in usage these days!) in Blackpool while on holiday. Fashion in seventies Belfast was a number of years behind England( actually behind anywhere in the western world). Frankly, I couldn't have turned more heads had a driven round the dance floor in a clowns car.
I suspect that DCL and Tom looked pretty good and that their clothes were not chosen by their grandparents!
Kim Vivian
113 Posted 22/07/2021 at 13:25:13
Whoa - should've let Richie take the pen.
James Flynn
114 Posted 22/07/2021 at 13:27:26
Richy too good for these German kids.

Ray Roche
116 Posted 22/07/2021 at 13:35:13
Andy @112
‘Clowns car’! 🤣🤣
Jay Wood

117 Posted 22/07/2021 at 13:40:58
At halftime here in Brazil they replayed Richy's goals with a parallel screen of four of his family watching the game at home.

Three had Brazil shirts on. The 4th, a teenager, Everton's new shirt.

'I gotta know, I gotta know...
Will he stay, or will he go?'

In other results, Oz beat Argentina 2-0 and Egypt free 0-0 with Spain. Mexico 4 France 1.

Kim Vivian
118 Posted 22/07/2021 at 13:57:25
He's having a decent game but I just wish these Brazilians would stop rolling around whenever they get a soft tissue contact like someone had clubbed their shin with a baseball bat.
Barry Hesketh
119 Posted 22/07/2021 at 14:03:33
Kim @119
I'm worried that Richarlison is going to leave Everton, the two commentators on the BBC red button seem very anxious to have him subbed since about the tenth minute, obviously fearing him getting injured before his possible move. Ah as I type they have their wish as Richarlison is subbed.
Pete Clarke
120 Posted 22/07/2021 at 14:06:25
I am just losing touch with reality when it comes to fashion but DCL has gone beyond a few boundaries there for my liking.
I am now just waiting for some old mates of the red ilk to remind me of the shit I gave them because of the white suited Spice Boys cup final all them years ago.
I can only assume that DCL is getting paid for that. Heaven knows he needs a few extra bob doesn’t he ??

Jay. Nothing better than being in Brazil when the national team are playing and winning.
I imagine it will be pretty noisy outside in the streets right now. 🥳
Let’s hope Richie can start smiling and he returns in great form.
Steve Carse
121 Posted 22/07/2021 at 14:07:38
Well stated Roger (42). Not unexpectedly most of the responses cling to the 'one life lost is one life too many' mantra, despite all the non-covid health impacts now being acknowledged as a consequence of the focus on covid treatment resourcing.
Even Whitty agrees that we must learn to live with the virus - unfortunately his interpretation of the meaning of this is that we do less and less with our lives. To enforce this stance the government is maintaining its fear-creating approach. It clearly doesn't care much for the old Spanish proverb: "Vivir con miedo es vivir a media" -- A life lived in fear is a life half lived.
Jay Wood

122 Posted 22/07/2021 at 14:09:36
Richy has looked goosed since before half time so being subbed out on 73 minutes was 30 minutes too late IMO.

One of the subs to come on is Renier, the teenager wunderkind we were linked with while he was still at Flamengo.

Real Madrid paid a lot of money for him (when they still had money), since when he has been on loan at Borussia Dortmund.

Kim Vivian
123 Posted 22/07/2021 at 14:11:26
Ah yes. Subbed off. Can go back to what I was doing before, now.

I think we will do very well to keep him here tbh. If someone comes in with the big money I can't see how we can keep him but not sure that his likely preferred destination can afford what we would want just now.

Mark Ryan
124 Posted 22/07/2021 at 14:15:18
Benn @ 92 I agree, Forget Per K, Nyarko and a host of others. This one baffled me at the time when we signed him cos he was a crock then, whereas some of the shite we've bought were unknowns at the times but this leech is sucking a living from the club and his lack of effort, approach, fitness and non-desire stinks.
Are we the only club to have these lazy, non interested, shuffling types who just cruise around doing nowt all day. I hope he leaves. The sooner the better. Appalling attitude
If they have no skill fair enough but this lad is our worst signing on all fronts because he's wasting his living and does have the ability. He just chooses not to.
Barry Hesketh
125 Posted 22/07/2021 at 14:15:47
Off-topic completely, but Everton is going to have an in-house platform for season ticket holders who can't attend a given game. It looks as if all tickets will be sold at face value and is a damn sight better than the profiteering that used to happen with stub-hub.

new resale platform

Alan McGuffog
126 Posted 22/07/2021 at 14:26:15
Steve...Danny Burgin's efforts were not in vain then. Hasta luego.
Jay Wood

127 Posted 22/07/2021 at 14:40:16
Just interviewed Richy at the end of the game.

For those of you who resent his scowling game face, he was beaming with joy, very playful.

Among his very first words was to mention Everton and how they granted his wish to play at the Olympics.

Very humble but evidently overjoyed to score a hatrick wearing the famed #10 shirt for an 'unforgettable experience.'

I don't think many are fully aware of just how big and well liked Richy is in Brazil by the 'povo' not just for his football, but for his personality and what he does to help the less fortunate.

Alex Gray
128 Posted 22/07/2021 at 14:55:27
Just saw it Jay and good to see him enjoying his football again. I felt for him last year feeding off scraps in a team with no creativity.

I don’t buy into the poor attitude outlook that some people have. The lad comes across at quite critical of himself and whilst he does have bad games i’ve never seen him not putting a graft in.

Pete Clarke
129 Posted 22/07/2021 at 14:59:40
The times they are a changing. Haven’t been back for a good few years now so obviously the COVID crisis has put a different mindset into the Brazilians.
It was always thought by many that ‘Paulistas’ were the serious people who kept the country going with hard work whilst alot of others like the ‘Cariocas’ just went to the beach and partied away.
I know Brazil is one of the worst affected by COVID but the thought of them all giving up on their greatest love of all is a sure sign that things are bad.
God bless you all and stay safe.

I watched the earlier game between Australia and Argentina. Even though The Argies went down to 10 men I thought the Aussie were excellent all over the pitch and should have had even more goals. Aussies being captained by a kid who arrived as a refugee. Doesn’t get much better than that.
Brian Wilkinson
130 Posted 22/07/2021 at 15:00:14
Barry@125, that is great news in regards to ticket resales being done by Everton.

I hope they have a data base can can keep check on how many times, a ticket has been sold on and any repeated resales of over half of the season gets flagged up.

Over the last few years on stubhub, apart from the Derby game, you could always guarentee at least 10 that were for sale, every home game, normally kids tickets, same seat.

In hindsight of how cheap the child season ticket is, it is a great incentive for families, however there are always some that will spoil it for the rest, by simply having a child season ticket, that will guarentee them a Derby ticket, and a far better chance of a cup final ticket.

A shame really, because it is stopping other Evertonians, to be able to purchase a season ticket.

David Pearl
131 Posted 22/07/2021 at 15:05:16
Aah the usual on here.

As long as Delph is an Everton player l will support him. Shame we cant pick at the covid rules instead. They can't trust a pcr test?

Question marks over all 6 of our centre mids. If Delph, Gbamin and Gomes stay fit are they better or worse than Allan, Doucoure and Davies?

Wonder who plays upfront tomorrow. Without our main 2 this pre-season is kind of worthless.

Mike Gaynes
132 Posted 22/07/2021 at 15:09:55
Jay #128 et al, thanks for those updates.

I'm still not thrilled he's there, but what a great ambassador he is for Everton.

Eric Myles
133 Posted 22/07/2021 at 15:23:07
Barry #125, the only tickets I was able to buy on Stub-Hub were for sale by the Club themselves.

Brian #131, I would have thought that if you try to enter with a child ticket and are obviously not, then you would be stopped?

Barry Hesketh
134 Posted 22/07/2021 at 15:28:50
Eric @134
You surprise me because I sold my seat a few times on stub-hub and although the club did provide the actual ticket, the seat was mine and it was me who instigated the sale and it was me who set the price.

This new service will be nothing like stub-hub, If I can't make a game, I'll get back the value pro-rata from the club and the club will then sell it on to another party for the price set depending on the price category the match falls into.

Mike Gaynes
135 Posted 22/07/2021 at 15:33:59
Attention all Yanks who didn't get up early enough in the morning to see Richi's hat trick NBCSN will air a replay of the Brazil/Germany game at 3pm ET, noon Pacific.

Channel 220 on DirecTV, 159 on Dish Network, check your local cable listings.

Eric Myles
136 Posted 22/07/2021 at 15:35:36
Dale #72, nice handbag, hate the shoes.
Benn Chambers
137 Posted 22/07/2021 at 15:37:02
Mark #124

My sentiments exactly.

Christy Ring
138 Posted 22/07/2021 at 15:54:48
I said it when we signed him, it would be a disaster. His injury record at City, should have told us to walk away. 80k per week for sitting in the treatment room, and now covid? Unbelievable
Eric Myles
139 Posted 22/07/2021 at 15:58:13
Roger #39.

Thumbs up !!

Dave Williams
140 Posted 22/07/2021 at 18:40:17
Pete #120,

I have just put in an order for his handbag!

Pete Clarke
141 Posted 22/07/2021 at 00:05:49
I’m sure they sell them in Aldi. Might save yourself a few bob.
DCL has a lot to prove this year and has the added pressure of being the main target man. Let’s hope Benitez finds a formula to suit his game.
Pete Clarke
142 Posted 22/07/2021 at 00:05:50
I’m sure they sell them in Aldi. Might save yourself a few bob.
DCL has a lot to prove this year and has the added pressure of being the main target man. Let’s hope Benitez finds a formula to suit his game.
Michael Lynch
143 Posted 23/07/2021 at 11:39:14
I like the sound of the new StubHub replacement. I used the old system a handful of times, both to buy and then to sell when I got a season ticket, and I always listed at face value or below. But some people, as has been mentioned, were clearly selling on their ticket for every game, and charging a huge mark-up for the big games.

Great that the club will donate to charity the difference between the pro-rata price they'll give the ticket-seller, and the face value price they'll charge the ticket-buyer.

Matthew Williams
144 Posted 23/07/2021 at 14:25:52
So then, only one game to win and we can finally break out the Brasso.

No doubt we'll draw it and lose the penalty shootout.

It's the Everton way folks... and Moshiiri has turned out to be a fucking curse too!.

We'll see...

Shane Corcoran
145 Posted 23/07/2021 at 14:27:30
Anyone else think that the amount of coverage the club are giving a smiling James in Orlando suggests he’ll be staying?
Shane Corcoran
146 Posted 23/07/2021 at 14:31:57
Two games, Matthew.
Brian Wilkinson
147 Posted 23/07/2021 at 22:15:36
Eric@133, and there is the problem, wait for it, you can sell a child ticket, quite correct, you could not as an adult, gain admission, but you could upgrade the child ticket, for an adult ticket, where when presented at the ticket office, Everton would charge the difference, from a child ticket, to an adult ticket.

I am assuming now Everton take charge of the resale ticket, they can refund the child ticket credit, to the season ticket holder, then will resell the ticket, as an adult ticket, which will help the charity no end, instead of greed.

Brian Wilkinson
148 Posted 23/07/2021 at 22:20:53
Michael @147, spot-on, mate.

I bought a few times on StubHub, with genuine fans either asking for the ticket price, or below, absolutely disgusting that some could try to ask for over double the ticket price, for the big games, sometimes four times as much, to their own supporters.

Thankfully now, this will stop those overpriced tickets appearing on StubHub.

Kieran Kinsella
149 Posted 23/07/2021 at 22:53:51

No. I think it’s because we are trying to cash in on merchandise which also the reason we have a Colombian opponent

Steavey Buckley
150 Posted 24/07/2021 at 16:32:09
Everton in Florida.
Kim Vivian
151 Posted 24/07/2021 at 18:57:57
I liked the system whereby fans offered their ticket(s) for sale on here. Never had a successful purchase from StubHub – football or music – but have managed to get to a few games down South and be in with the Blue supporters by getting tickets through ToffeeWeb. It's so damn hard to get to a game these days.
Michael Roberts
152 Posted 24/07/2021 at 21:17:48
Played golf in Yorkshire Friday with a guy who works with Delph's mum. Fabian reckons he's getting a new contract.

So shocked I hit my drive down the middle. No, he wasn't joking sadly.

Brian Murray
153 Posted 24/07/2021 at 23:35:40
Delph will hang on for dear life to the contract we gave him but Brands even thinks of giving him more he should be sacked or resign pronto.

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