In the wake of Director of Football, Marcel Brands, stepping down, Steinsson, the man the Dutchman hired as the club's Head of Recruitment and Development, has decided to leave.
Manager of Scouting and Operations, Dan Purdy, is also parting ways with Everton after six years with the club.
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1 Posted 09/12/2021 at 23:42:35
2 Posted 10/12/2021 at 03:33:21
3 Posted 10/12/2021 at 03:54:21
4 Posted 10/12/2021 at 07:30:56
Niasse was Russian player of the year and was scoring goals over there. Our scouts were catastrophically blindsided by this success in a much lesser league. So, it was an expensive mistake and you would hope lessons were learned. Then our scouts done the same again signing Tosun for £27m who was scoring goals aplenty in the Turkish league.
God forbid any of these ‘professionals are still at the club.
5 Posted 10/12/2021 at 08:33:32
That £300 million wouldve bought quality and wouldve given Everton a great long-term future; instead, we got crap and are now scrambling to make use of a low-quality squad, aside from a few good buys. It has set us back years.
6 Posted 10/12/2021 at 08:59:52
7 Posted 10/12/2021 at 09:08:50
Tosun and Iwobi were (in my opinion) the manager's choice. Big lump of a centre forward and someone quick who could apparently get crosses to him.
I cannot utter the name of said manager in the same breath as Everton and still feel ashamed he is and was associated with our club.
Sorry for the repetitive moan. We didn't employ the DoF model correctly, so it was always going to fail.
Klaassen was a good player in a poor, disfunctional and unbalanced team. He's proven that at Bundesliga, European and International level.
Gbamin I fear we will never see, but I like what I have seen. Shame to be honest.
The rest I agree with. Shocking recruitment, but I wouldn't point it all towards Brands.
8 Posted 10/12/2021 at 09:10:24
9 Posted 10/12/2021 at 09:31:55
10 Posted 10/12/2021 at 09:37:08
11 Posted 10/12/2021 at 09:53:33
As for Steinsenn, in fairness to him it seems some of the worse offenders where signed by Moshiri (Iwobi) however Purdy lasting six years is a microcosm for everything that is wrong at the club. Cronyism at its most baffling. In what business could you oversee a spend of a third of a billion and take the business backwards and last six years. Amazing really.
12 Posted 10/12/2021 at 09:56:31
13 Posted 10/12/2021 at 09:58:35
You have to think this may have been part of Moshiris thinking pre-season? Not in as dramatic a fashion as has unfolded but was Rafa always going to shake things up? Was that part of his remit, And if so-why not?
Heads had to roll and since Moyes left it has always been the manager, and nothing had changed weve just spent a fortune to go backwards.
Maybe Rafa is the Trojan horse. An already unpopular figure charged with a ‘destroy and exit strategy to strip some deadwood out. If it works great, if it doesnt than no one wanted him anyway (but at least hes got rid of a load of underperforming dead wood and initiated the much needed change…)
14 Posted 10/12/2021 at 09:58:51
15 Posted 10/12/2021 at 10:29:59
Still, we do have a laptop with a listing of over 3,000 players, and probably their Agents.
16 Posted 10/12/2021 at 10:34:24
Yes, I think Mr Benitez has been brought in by Moshiri, under Mr Usmanov's guidance, to shake the whole club up. Maybe not so much a Trojan horse but a horse that kicks out and gets people's notice, gets them out of the 'anything will do' attitude, and make them earn some of their ridiculous salaries. Or get rid of the really useless and incompetent people who have hung around for years, some much longer than others.
Regarding Dan Purdy, the scout who walked out, I'd never heard of him until half an hour ago when I read this column. He left school in 2012 to go to Liverpool University, did a few months at Yorkshire Cricket Club, Sheffield Utd, and Leeds Utd during his time at University.
He joined Everton in 2014 when he must have been around 20 or so, became a scout in 2016 for 2 years, then a first-team scouting co-ordinator for a year, then manager of scouting operations in July 2019 until early yesterday, when he decided to do ‘Do one.
Loads of quick promotions there and it looks like he is still under 30. He is either very, very good or he knows someone who led him up the ladder. If the first, he will be snapped up immediately by another club; or he will fade into obscurity.
Either way, he has been in charge of all managing operations at Everton FC for the last three years, might give an indication of which way he will go — unless of course Billy Boy, Denise or Mark Ingles fought to keep him here but couldn't persuade him to stay!!
18 Posted 10/12/2021 at 10:39:41
That's the problem – a non-strategy based on interference, short-termism and vanity. Along with a tendency to buy the most expensive average player we can.
The scouts don't decide who we buy. They could have been doing an excellent job and despairing of the real decision-makers, for all we know.
As for Gbamin, he is physically shot after repeated injury. He was fast, powerful and a really good player in Germany.
19 Posted 10/12/2021 at 10:54:16
20 Posted 10/12/2021 at 11:09:51
Benitez is getting the 'credit' for removing certain people, but how true is that? He may now have a greater say in the transfers, but how interested is he in restructuring the club and making it leaner and meaner?
Whatever the case may be, the manager will be judged on results out on the pitch, rather than any political clout he may or may not have.
When people resign, they have to be replaced, if their position was of some importance to the club, that is not a strategy; it is the usual reactive measures that have always plagued the club, no new ideas whatsoever, no real measures to address or even recognise the need for change.
21 Posted 10/12/2021 at 11:54:42
If true, what you say about Benitez being hired to shake the whole club up means, in effect, that he is now our director of football. And the first team coach too.
That's a big job for one person. Too big to be sustainable for any length of time.
Wenger and Ferguson each became DoF, in effect, at Arsenal and Man Utd but left the coaching to others at that stage, having set the tone, set the standards etc. And they swapped coaches in and out to freshen things up - eg Quieroz, Muelensteen and Phelan.
Not entirely sure where that leaves us.
22 Posted 10/12/2021 at 12:00:01
I hope the under 23s isnt restructured again because that was one of the few good things Brands appeared to do, although he was possibly only coming in line with something all the top clubs do nowadays?
Id look at Chelsea, if I was anything to do with the upper echelons of our academy, upto our under 23s team, because they seem to be producing loads of good young footballers right now, and they all seem very comfortable whilst in possession of the football.
Is it their scouting? Or is it because they employ good coaches? Probably both, is were Id be putting my money.
23 Posted 10/12/2021 at 12:03:29
Si @11. I genuinely thought Gbamin could be the midfield enforcer come sweeper we needed to plug the hole. He could (past tense) have slotted in nicely behind Allan and Doucoure. But I agree, I don't think we'll see him play again. Not for Everton.
John P @12. My mistake; yes I confused the 2 ex Arsenal players who could / can run fast but aren't very good. Victims of the English scouting disease of focusing on pace and power. Easy to mix them up! They can run fast but put a ball at their feet and they get confused. There's a lot of them out there.
Dave Abrahams. Interesting take. Benitez is practically establishes himself as the DoF that Moshiri wanted. Is that his future role and ambition? Will we see a younger head coach come in as he moves up the ladder and imposes himself on the club? I've already cleaned my mouth out with dirty dish water, but Stevie G Lar? I am off to confession as we speak.
The details on Purdy lays bare the issue. I know that not every great player makes a good manager or scout. I acknowledge the advantages of a more scientific approach to football. But to have no experience of the game whatsoever is not a start point for any football club. Let alone a top flight English club with ambitions of replicating past glories and joining the European elite. From what you say about Purdy, I would call him a data analyst. And in the context of the current climate, I hate the word data. "Listen to the data" they say. No. Sometimes look at the reality of what you see.
Robert @18; exactly. Scattergun approach to transfers with to many people involved, all pulling in different directions with different ideas.
24 Posted 10/12/2021 at 12:23:25
Mr.Benitez was donated a senior coach when he started and he has brought another coach in to help him with first team affairs, lets see where this is going over the rest of the season and onwards.
Ive repeatedly said that any manager needs time, so will Mr.Benitez, I honestly think he will make Everton a stronger team and a much better club if he stays.
25 Posted 10/12/2021 at 12:37:02
I believe change was needed, but my concern is that in our owner, Chairman, and our Board I dont have any confidence that they have the footballing knowledge and ability to put a better structure in place with better people.
26 Posted 10/12/2021 at 12:47:37
Good post Dave, I also think Benitez will make us a stronger CLUB, and not just team.
Incidentally, there was a good article in the Times last Sunday about Anthony Barry, Chelseas first team coach. Born in Childwall and with Everton until he was 18 he eventually studied hard and now has a burgeoning reputation as a coach who looks in detail at problems and then at ways to overcome them. Things like set pieces and throw ins.
Plenty on Google about him. Worth looking him up.
27 Posted 10/12/2021 at 12:49:14
28 Posted 10/12/2021 at 12:51:07
29 Posted 10/12/2021 at 12:51:44
30 Posted 10/12/2021 at 12:51:48
I agree on the investment at U18 and U23 level. I'd even go a step further and have the club invest in grass roots in the Liverpool City region to tap into and nurture the talent that is out there.
It goes back to the need for a complete overhaul of the club's organisation and structure from top to bottom. A fresh approach. Out with the old and in with the new.
Leave the nostalgia to me, you and other blind faith supporters. There is no place for that at Finch Farm.
31 Posted 10/12/2021 at 12:56:19
There is absolutely ZERO evidence for this that I can see? Hes been ran out of just about every club hes been at within 2 years of getting there. Even the dark side said “you can feck off” when he tried to take over their youth. I wouldnt even say Newcastle are any better off now than before he joined them, for his 3 whole years.
Id simply love to know WHY some think he can do this? Is it because he has “stern eyes”? The ONLY evidence I can see is that he clearly falls out with people. On unbelievably regular occurrences.
Whilst I can see the desire for a root and branch rip out, I cant see why we think this man can possibly do it. Be carful what we wish for is more than likely apt. Hell soon replace Branthwaite/Onyango/Etc. with 30+ year old “solid pros”. Then, without doubt, fall out with Moshiri eventually, and then we will be truly in the shit.
Latest in a huge line of mistakes by Moshiri.
32 Posted 10/12/2021 at 13:04:12
I'd agree with a lot of what you say and don't think he can and you rightly point to his history - not just at Mordor. If it wasn't for my Grandfather, I would never drink in the Arkles, but I will after the Leicester match. Christmas and all that. Toast to the Belfast man.
But as with "them", he poked the wasp's nest, woke them up, won them a couple of trophies and set them up for success that happened after he had departed.
Something has to change at the club. It looks like that is what he is suggesting and trying to implement regardless of whether he is the one to see it through??
33 Posted 10/12/2021 at 13:05:39
While looking at Anthony Barrys profile I came across one on Chris Perkins who was highly regarded at Derby County, Everton headhunted him and brought him to Finch Farm to help with the Academy, he only lasted eighteen months or so until he left to join Spurs last summer, dont know the reason he left Everton.
34 Posted 10/12/2021 at 13:08:43
I agree with every word of your post, as you rightly point out he has never lasted long wherever he has managed, so I don't know why some think he is the perfect man to oversee all aspects of the club. He hasnt won a thing for getting on for 9 years and his last 3 jobs don't actually say this is a man who turn round the fortunes of our club. His last 3 jobs were hired by Real Madrid in 2015 on 3 year contract sacked 7 months later, 2016 joined Newcastle who were relegated under him, but did get them promoted the following year. Despite getting Newcastle back in the Premier league they were always around the relegation zone and he left in 2019. Obviously with nobody in Europe interested in hiring him he went to manage Dallian in China and left by mutual consent some months later.
Yet some on here believe he is the correct person to carry out root and branch reform of the club when he struggles to get results.
35 Posted 10/12/2021 at 13:08:56
36 Posted 10/12/2021 at 13:11:57
37 Posted 10/12/2021 at 13:15:51
38 Posted 10/12/2021 at 13:22:09
Nobody how he did at Chelsea even though he wasnt wanted there.
39 Posted 10/12/2021 at 13:31:38
40 Posted 10/12/2021 at 13:34:58
Dave @ 36 - provide some counter evidence of how hes transformed an entire club, instead of just daft Gillette type “best we can get” guff?
41 Posted 10/12/2021 at 13:37:58
42 Posted 10/12/2021 at 13:42:52
Certainly he has made mistakes with the team structure but quite a few fans can see and acknowledge that injuries and suspensions in vital positions have handicapped him to a degree.
Maybe he wont succeed in all his aims but I think he is having a very good go at trying.
43 Posted 10/12/2021 at 14:02:08
And Gary again (40). I dont think he has transformed an entire club but he changed the thinking at Liverpool or tried to, he thought the transfer policy at Liverpool was all wrong but couldnt get them to buy the players he wanted, Gareth Barry was one but Liverpool owners thought he was too old, quite possible they would have won the league that season with Barry in the side.
Chelsea had just sacked their manager when Benitez took over, the Chelsea fans didnt want him or like him because of his association with Liverpool, bet that sounds familiar with some Everton fans, but anyway he won the Europa Cup in the time he was there and got them back into The European Cup.
Lets see how he does in the future at Everton. Daft Gillette, yes, use Wilkinsons myself.
44 Posted 10/12/2021 at 14:29:31
They all look comfortable on the ball, and so they should be if they are training everyday of their lives, although it doesnt seem like many other clubs can replicate this.
45 Posted 10/12/2021 at 14:50:35
Back to my poking the wasp's nest point. He won't be the one to see it through, but he might stir things up and invoke much needed change before he goes. For that I will be grateful.
And yes, I'm going to wash my mouth out again after saying that.
Set the foundations rather than put the final slate on the roof in place.
I don't like myself for saying it, but maybe it needs an outsider like Mr Benitez to come in and be ruthlessly critical of our self-appreciating Evertonian grip on the club?? Dare I say, it took Liverpool to break the boot room "hand down" mentality to get back to where they are now.
As referred to above, Benitez has balls. He took Chelsea to a trophy and ignored the hate and venom coming down towards him from the Stamford Bridge stands. Big shoulders and little emotion. Leave that to us fans. He's here to do a job. He's a pretty emotionally detached character who cares little for what people think of him.
Just a thought as most modern successful clubs are not owned, run, managed or coached by sentimental fools like me, fist pumping Duncan's or emotional wrecks like Bill.
Let's all meet up after the Leicester match.
The last time I remember it this bad, we beat Stoke in the 3rd round of the FA Cup in January 1984, drew against Birmingham and went on a run that took us from about 16th to 7th and a trophy.
The next season was history as they say!! Eternal hope and blind faith.
46 Posted 10/12/2021 at 15:07:21
It seems that you and I are of a bygone age when it comes to expectations. Many of today's fans dismiss the qualities of players and managers without a ball being kicked or a team selection undertaken. I get the impression that players are judged on their transfer fee and weekly wage rather than their ability.
It's early days yet, but Gray at less than £2M is a prime example of this, while players at the other end of the spectrum who have been signed for ridiculous fees and wages appear to reinforce it.
Regarding the appointment of managers, do you think that Matt Busby, in today's climate, would be welcomed at Old Trafford considering he previously played for Manchester City and Liverpool?
47 Posted 10/12/2021 at 15:16:17
l don't think any other club can compare to Chelsea at the moment. It's hard to keep track of all the kids they've brought through. Some of whom were sold this past summer and raised the £100M they needed to buy back Lukaku. They are still left with Hudson Udoi, Mount, James, Chaudury. Not bad, is it?
Wouldn't it be nice if we had 4 top class youths coming through? As it is, we have Gordon, who l'm not too keen on... but early days, l know. He's had zero productivity.
They have also got young up-and-coming players in, like Werner and Havertz.
Simms, l think his level will be the Championship. Branthwaite is the only one l think could make a good Premier League player but, once again, our manager has to be able to play him without the pressure previous managers have felt in using the expensively assembled squad.
48 Posted 10/12/2021 at 15:37:18
I think the likes of Matt Busby would have been popular in any age because of his personality which had no trace of aggression although I doubt he was a soft touch if someone tried it on.
Players today just accept the huge fortunes they make from playing football as something they are entitled to, take everything and give very little back even to the extent of not trying their utmost for the time they are on the field.
49 Posted 10/12/2021 at 15:37:20
I am not sure if you were referring to me re "Some fans dismiss the qualities of payers and managers before a ball has been kicked". I don't and never have judged a player on their transfer fee, only their performances. That's why, on another thread, I said the signing of Demarai Gray was a bargain and he would have been a bargain at £20 million in my book.
As going back to Matt Busby being welcomed at Old Trafford after playing for Liverpool, I can't think of a player that we signed from Liverpool that got a hard time off the Everton fans... in fact, Sheedy was adored by most Everton fans. Beardsley and Alan Harper were also very well liked by Evertonians.
When I started watching Everton, it had Don Donavan and Meagan as full-backs, Cyril Lello and Wally Fielding as half-backs and Dave Hickson and Tommy Eglington in attack. So I don't need any lessons in what was and wasn't acceptable back in the day.
My criticism of the appointment of Benitez was absolutely nothing to do with his connection with Liverpool, in fact, I would have walked on hot coals to have got Shankly or the best ever English manager Bob Paisley.
I critisized the appointment of Benitez because, as results have already shown, he was a poor choice, 1 win in 9 games – one of the worst run for many a year. And just before you say "Well, look at the squad he inherited" – our previous manager managed a win % with this squad that was practically the same as Catterick's win %.
50 Posted 10/12/2021 at 15:50:36
51 Posted 10/12/2021 at 15:57:10
Benitez took over a Newcastle team in the Bottom 3, and improved their points tally, but even though he only managed them for 10 games that season, relegation will be on his resume forever.
The reason I wanted Benitez (or was at least prepared to accept him) is because of my opening paragraph on this post, but the man is getting blamed or credited for getting rid of Brands, which I personally find very delusional.
The minute Brands said, "Do you think it's just the players?" He signed his departure, but why people are jumping to the conclusion that it was aimed at the manager, doesn't really fit with me, because the man had not long signed a new contract, after supposedly working under a similar system with Carlo Ancelotti. This sacking looks like the people in the highest places were more concerned with protecting themselves?
52 Posted 10/12/2021 at 16:22:01
53 Posted 10/12/2021 at 16:29:15
I remember when I was a youngster, people querying the signing of Alf Milward. I was one of the few who thought he was a good acquisition. I was proven right over the next few seasons.
54 Posted 10/12/2021 at 16:36:39
I think the irony is that Benitez could be the DoF Moshiri wanted. Just one more in tune with the training pitch having managed at a closer level.
More of a Rangnick than a Brands.
And more of a gobshite to use the Liverpool vernacular. Not afraid to say it how it is.
55 Posted 10/12/2021 at 17:19:03
‘Benitez is capable of ripping down and rebuilding a football club…'
In the same way you can't see any evidence to suggest he can do that, I can't find any evidence to suggest anyone saying he could.
56 Posted 10/12/2021 at 17:51:34
You say there is no evidence of him failing to build anything meaningful, Ill give you his last 16 years. All of which hes been ran out within 2 years after taking good teams and “shaking it up”.
57 Posted 10/12/2021 at 17:57:49
Employer: “hey, we need fundamental reform, from top to bottom! What experience do you have”
Rafa “nothing really in terms of evidential experience, but I ‘shake things up and cause division”
Employer “youre hired!!!”
Not sure its the Everton I want tho.
58 Posted 10/12/2021 at 18:02:06
Alonso for Aquilani (sic?) you mean??
Houlier changed the policy at Liverpool, he tried (and arguably succeeded) to change it back in wrong direction again.
Not sure why were talking 16 years ago tho, perhaps see what George Grahams up to these days instead?
59 Posted 10/12/2021 at 18:05:22
1) so if Benitez was the catalyst, what success did they have between himself and Klopp (over a decade later)?
2) Tony Montana had “balls” too. Wouldnt want that “cockaroach” managing my team through transition either.
60 Posted 10/12/2021 at 18:08:32
The habit of repeating criticisms that have been challenged yet unanswered is not a convincing approach. There is a lot of grey area in where this could go so stop acting as though you see the future and it is obvious.
61 Posted 10/12/2021 at 18:13:27
Not sure what how throwing your toys out about it somehow changes my objective? Unless you want to show where I said “he should stay?”
62 Posted 10/12/2021 at 18:18:26
Referencing what you may have said somewhere else does not act as a counterargument to my criticism of what you've said here. Seriously, c'mon man.
63 Posted 10/12/2021 at 18:25:58
64 Posted 10/12/2021 at 18:36:19
Challenged, yet unanswered eh.
I'm assuming you mean someone showed me some evidence of where he has transformed a club “root and branch” so far? If so, point it out where please? Better still, point out where it has been challenged AND unanswered?
65 Posted 10/12/2021 at 18:38:00
The basic point is that you are hitting the red zone without merit. I'm not sure I've seen anyone justify Rafa as anything other than a foil against the ineptitude of Moshiri without some qualifications added. That is not supporting him for the role of Messiah. It is simply being pragmatic for the moment we are in.
I'm not impressed by your 'big boy' references. I won't be joining you in that hole but do carry on.
66 Posted 10/12/2021 at 18:51:17
All Ive done is asked for evidence his apparent “foil prowess” has been successfully in terms of transformation elsewhere. This, as I see it, is the ONLY “pro” Rafa argument out there, so Im entitled to ask for evidence of its assertion.
Fortunately for all on ToffeeWeb, Im as “not impressed” with those providing conjecture as you are with having your pants pulled down, so unless you wish to actually address the point (transformation evidence) then theres little point continuing. Good night, good luck. Come on you blues.
67 Posted 10/12/2021 at 18:54:32
68 Posted 10/12/2021 at 18:57:53
I still refer to him as Mr B or Benitez, not by his first name. I didn't want him by preference and can't do the first name terms thing.
My point is, he put them on a long term footing.
Short term he won them an FA Cup and Champions League. Tell me you wouldn't take that.
Sometimes you only realise the longer term benefits after years. But you put the foundations in place way before that.
Benitez challenges the establishment. If there is a club that needs that now, it's Everton. Even if he isn't around to see it through, if he can stir things up, change the culture and lay foundations, he'll have done a job.
Danny who didn't want Benitez.
69 Posted 10/12/2021 at 19:01:24
‘You say there is no evidence of him failing to build anything meaningful, Ill give you his last 16 years
Nope. Never said that either?
Quite the opposite:
‘ In the same way you can't see any evidence to suggest he can do that, I can't find any evidence to suggest anyone saying he could.
No one has suggested Benitez is there to totally destroy the club and build it back up. A couple of people have suggested part of his remit may have been to shake it up a bit in the back ground. Maybe get rid of a few hangers on in the process.
Youve took it to its illogical conclusion.
70 Posted 10/12/2021 at 19:05:38
These responses don't justify your indignant pose. It is fine to have a contrarian position, I find them rather entertaining and adopt them myself, sometimes just for fun. However, I think the rule is if you are a contrarian, no whining. Make your argument and let it play out. Trash talking the conventional wisdom or whatever you perceive it as is just not something that enhances understanding and is not as entertaining as you may believe.
71 Posted 10/12/2021 at 19:45:57
72 Posted 10/12/2021 at 19:54:16
Personally, I never wanted Rafa as I'm more inclined towards young managers On the Up like Potter (love the way Brighton play). But, the more I thought about it, the more Rafa made sense. Like Danny said, if any club needed a kick up the arse then it's definitely us!!
"The Comfy Club"
If Rafa can raise standards and make people produce just that little bit more all over the club, then he's been a success. We were never getting relegated, that was just absurd stuff. Even without Mondays win.
Maybe we do need that Liverpool type mentality of, "**** you, we'll do what we want!" ? Rafa might not be the man to ultimately bring the success but he could still be a key figure in it. Like they say about Lampard assembling the squad but it was Tuchel who actually got them performing.
73 Posted 10/12/2021 at 19:57:43
74 Posted 11/12/2021 at 02:07:32
75 Posted 11/12/2021 at 11:36:07
There is now talk of the appointment of another Director of Football, probably part of the recently announced Strategic Review. Bill &Co have moved fast to counter Benitez review of all Departments and undo any progress that Benitez has made at increasing his control on the Football side. The ESSG Whitewash is a similar move and probably part of Strategic review to steal 27for 27 thunder.
At Everton really nothing has change, Bill &Co are working to maintain and redeem the status quo. Any replacements will be sympathic to this cause and may even be barefaced. All with Moshiri's blessing.
Brands was nothing more than a convenient scapegoat as are his two mates.
76 Posted 17/12/2021 at 14:20:33
77 Posted 18/12/2021 at 19:58:50
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