Reports claim approach made to Martinez over Everton role

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Updated Almost six years after Everton fans staged a post-match sit-in to agitate for his sacking, Roberto Martinez has been installed as the Everton board's choice to succeed Rafael Benitez.

The Catalan, who spent almost three seasons at Goodison Park between 2014 and 2016 before he was dismissed by Farhad Moshiri, is believed to be at the top of a shortlist of possible candidates that has been whittled down to him, Duncan Ferguson and former Blues striker Wayne Rooney.

It appeared from sources and journalists like Jason Burt of The Telegraph that unless the Royal Belgium Football Association object, Martinez would return to the Blues for a second stint as manager, perhaps on an initially temporary basis, but Belgium's ruling body is refusing to allow him to combine both roles. For now, the moves to bring the 48-year-old back to Goodison seem to be off.

The board's list of candidates reportedly include Rooney who has been impressing as Derby County boss this season, Roma manager, Jose Mourinho, although he reportedly took himself out of the running, as did Brighton head coach Graham Potter, while Frank Lampard indicated that he would prefer to assume his next post in the summer and with the benefit of a pre-season to prepare.

Niko Kovac and another rumoured target from last year, Rudi Garcia, were also said to be under consideration.

According to Sky Sports, Rooney has told sources that he is "happy and focused" in his role at Derby but he would find it difficult to turn down an opportunity to manage Everton given his association with the club.

In the meantime, Martinez emerged as the "clear frontrunner" according to Burt and the wheels appeared to be turning quickly on that front but Belgian are blocking his departure.

Sky and Guardian correspondent, Fabrizio Romano, said on his latest Twitch broadcast that the Belgian FA want Martinez to lead their team at the World Cup in Qatar later this year. He says it is his information that it's "a race" between the former Swansea, Wigan and Everton boss and Ferguson who took temporary charge of first-team affairs in December 2019 after Marco Silva was sacked.

 

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Rob Baker
1 Posted 16/01/2022 at 17:15:34
No to Bobby Brown Shoes and his hyperbolic nonsense. We need to cast our net intelligently, not just look at those unemployed or with past ties to the club. A manager with a CV that says "Here, look at what I've been doing".
Peter Carpenter
2 Posted 16/01/2022 at 17:17:12
No.
Peter Neilson
3 Posted 16/01/2022 at 17:24:47
All nonsense at the moment. Let Usmanov have his tea and a kip then we’ll be told who’s coming in.
Steven Telford
4 Posted 16/01/2022 at 17:42:43
How did we let a manager who was so close to being given the boot get rid of one of our best players... days before he got the chop?

Speaks volumes for the level of planning. We are a joke of club at the moment.

Sam Hoare
5 Posted 16/01/2022 at 17:48:22
Rooney – might unite the fans? Has done great work at Derby this season but in a very niche circumstance; those players are essentially playing without pressure as everyone expected them to get relegated with that points penalty.

Ferguson – has very little experience managing. Would be very risky but might get Goodison going? Fine as interim but not established enough to get full time gig to my mind.

Mourinho – more of the Benitez medicine? I've never especially wanted him but perhaps he could be well suited to this gig as he seems to thrive on toxicity! Not sure why he'd leave Roma other than obscene money and could very easily go badly wrong.

Martinez – would he leave Belgium? His best season with us was built on a Moyes organised defence, which soon unraveled. This time he'd be inheriting a shambolic defense, is he the man to fix it? I'm not sure.

Lampard – is overrated in my opinion. Struggled with a star laden Chelsea and perhaps should have done better with a very talented Derby team containing Champions League talents like Mount and Tomori. Decent with young players and is at least available.

Rudi Garcia – An experienced and safe pair of hands. Has done alright at a few clubs but not often helped teams in as dire straits as these. Doesn't inspire me much.

Potter – We'd be so lucky frankly. He's doing great work at Brighton, not sure he'd jeapordise that for this mess. Could have and should have landed him this summer.

Galtier – See Potter.

We probably need a DOF before a manager. Otherwise who is making decisions? Moshiri and Kenwright? Terrifying.

Think I'd try Niko Kovac.

Steve Shave
6 Posted 16/01/2022 at 17:56:47
Sam @5,

If we are appointing permanently rather than going for Big Dunc, then I am with you, Kovac is my choice and available.

Please can everyone stop talking about Potter, Galtier etc, they would never come, not in a million years, not whilst employed and we are such a shit show. Let's keep this conjecture realistic.

Conor McCourt
7 Posted 16/01/2022 at 18:03:49
Are still posters championing the myth that Martinez first season success was built on Moyes's defence when four of the defensive unit (Stones, Coleman, Barry and McCarthy) had pretty much fuck all to do with Moyes apart from a brief cameo in midfield from Coleman.

Kovac was a joke at Bayern and Lampard has done nowt but mediocrity. Bobby's record has been 'phenomenal' everywhere he's went.

Colin Glassar
8 Posted 16/01/2022 at 18:04:48
I liked Martinez as a human being but have never forgiven him for being so careless with his defending and lack of fitness.

Despite having some of the best players in the world at his disposal he’s flattered to deceive with Belgium and their golden generation.

As for Rooney. I’d take a punt on him with Big Dunc on a six month contract. The two of them could squeeze some life out of this bunch of zombies. My only concern would be that Wazza becomes a Kenwright pawn and standards drop after he’s awarded a 15 year contract.

Of all the names mentioned, Kovac would be my choice. He plays high energy fussbal, is a no nonsense Fergie type and doesn’t suffer fools gladly - he’s got no chance then.

A word of warning. I hope we don’t put Bainsey in any coaching capacity. He was a great player but he’s as meek as a mouse and this lot would eat him alive. Better he sticks to his music.

Ian Bennett
9 Posted 16/01/2022 at 18:06:31
Martinez? That's a bloody joke.

He can't defend, and our team has the worst defenders in the league.

If we hire him, I am done.

Geoff Lambert
10 Posted 16/01/2022 at 18:07:23
Just spoke with my mate who is friends with Martinez. He is in line to take over.
Kieran Kinsella
11 Posted 16/01/2022 at 18:19:09
Anyone trust Martinez with this defense? At both Wigan and Everton, his record was worse year over year and the goals conceded was a main driver of that.
Geoff Lambert
12 Posted 16/01/2022 at 18:22:54
Should never go back to a manager who you have already sacked once.
Barry Rathbone
13 Posted 16/01/2022 at 18:25:54
Martinez's undoing was raising expectations by working miracles in the loan market and, while things might have changed re monies, I still think he would be mad to return.

The lunatics who cannot fathom loanee trading does not make for a feasible long-term plan are still here. They will refer to Wigan relegation rather than his transformation of Swansea or winning of the FA Cup till their maker calls them. I'm convinced they believe he bought McGeady and Niasse out of choice rather than desperation.

Swerve it, Bobby – go to a club with a more deserving fanbase.

Philip Bunting
14 Posted 16/01/2022 at 18:26:18
Please not Martinez, for fuck's sake.

Rooney has done wonders at Derby, he had practically no team, built one, then got 21 points ripped off him but now, after all that, only 8 points adrift. I'm sure he has learned a hell of a lot through all that.

With Dunc as his number 2, I think we could regalvanise the supporter base and players. Everything else has been tried... now give it to the boys in blue.

Kieran Kinsella
15 Posted 16/01/2022 at 18:30:20
Conor

Coleman played 30 plus games the year before Martinez came while Hibbert played just six so a little more than a “cameo in midfield.” In RMs first year he played just as much but Jags, Dustin, Baines and Howard all played 30 plus games, Stones just 26.

Robert Tressell
16 Posted 16/01/2022 at 18:34:05
Good grief, this club is in a mess.

I am absolutely disgusted with Farhad Moshiri, Bill Kenwright, Andre Gomes, Michael Keane, Mason Holgate, Seamus Coleman, Solomon Rondon, Alex Iwobi, Gylfi Sigurdsson, Rafa Benitez, Ronald Koeman, Marcel Brands and Steve Walsh. The list goes on.

I really worry about Martinez. I think I'd rather have Ferguson.

Not sure about Rooney. He's doing a good job but he's very short of experience.

Greg Anderson
17 Posted 16/01/2022 at 18:34:07
This just seems like a panic move for Martinez. We should take our time over this and first get in a strong DoF with real power, an "adult in the room", who can bring some vision and stability to the whole operation and lead the new manager search. Lurching from one wildly different manager to another, without any coherence or continuity, is a recipe for further disaster.
Nick Page
18 Posted 16/01/2022 at 18:37:59
Martinez - NO NO NO and NO. His last season was absolutely dreadful. Almost as bad as this. Fucking crab football.

Ferguson - if it’s not him, he has to leave otherwise what the fuck is going on? I would take a punt on him as at least he’ll add some much needed passion. We’ve tried and failed with everything else - young up and coming manager….done that, arl arse relegation battler….done, European elite manager…done, European ex great player….done etc etc. The only thing that seems to work is having an inside man. And the reason for that is really the foul and lingering stench of Kenwright, and his whole tired, cliched narrative. We could only ever truly change with him and the other parasites cleaned out but that’s a long way off because the majority of the fan base just won’t act upon it, given his vice like grip. Astonishing really given what he’s overseen and what his weak as piss mentality has turned us into.

Francis van Lierop
19 Posted 16/01/2022 at 18:38:28
For me Niko Kovač.
None of the other names look inspiring.

Although as said before, maybe a new Technical Director might best be the first thing to look at.

Joe Francis
20 Posted 16/01/2022 at 18:40:03
If Moshiri wants to take back everything he's done since taking over at Everton, then after reappointing Bobby Martínez, he should really consider offering new contracts to Tony Hibbert and Leon Osman as well.
Joe Francis
21 Posted 16/01/2022 at 18:40:04
If Moshiri wants to take back everything he's done since taking over at Everton, then after reappointing Bobby Martínez, he should really consider offering new contracts to Tony Hibbert and Leon Osman as well.
Joe Francis
22 Posted 16/01/2022 at 18:41:47
Phil Jagielka is available, at least.
Andy Crooks
23 Posted 16/01/2022 at 18:47:10
Conor and Barry, two posters whose comments I enjoy and respect. We just utterly disagree on Bobby, so I won't argue that one.
However, Bobby, Bilic, whoever have a major problem and this taking over a squad of weak men.
Anyone watching the Hull game will have seen at least three players chickening out of fifty fifty challenges. It is not a term I gave ever used to describe any Everton player but we have cowards In our squad. Physically and mentally. Hiding, doing the minimum and getting coaches sacked. They will do it again.
They need called out and had Benitez never managed Liverpool he could have done it. I dislike this Everton squad. They are collectively a shameless bunch of specimens. There is not much fun in being a Blue right now. Actually, when was the last time?
Conor McCourt
24 Posted 16/01/2022 at 18:47:29
Kieran sorry stand corrected. From memory I thought he had been converted to right back that season by Martinez but it was the one before
Andrew Ellams
25 Posted 16/01/2022 at 18:48:48
Not too chuffed with Martinez but if Rooney is the alternative then bring back the brown shoes
Colin Glassar
26 Posted 16/01/2022 at 18:49:32
If this happens then Bill closes the circle and gets his long favoured spare back (ginger being his first love) and essentially isolates Moshiri who is now trapped at Goodison. Hats off to billy bullshitter. He’s played a blinder here.

Phill Walling will be spinning in his grave if Bobby brown shoes returns.

Fran Mitchell
27 Posted 16/01/2022 at 18:54:49
Martinez's Everton were incredibly impotent come the end of his tenure. We had some real talent, but the possession based game become mind-numbing, sideways passing.

He is a nice guy and has always spoken highly of us. Belgium he has done well, but could be viewed to have underwhelmed considering the 'golden-generation' - however i'd say his golden generation was lacking in defense which has stopped them winning.

They won all games in the Euro's until losing to the eventual winners in a tight game. They were excellent in the 2018 world cup, knocking out favourites Brazil, only to lose to Eventual winner's France. And they won all their qualifiers and scored bucketfuls of goals in the process for both these. Won all but two of their World Cup qualifiers for the WC.

So he's proven not to be inept. Maybe he has learnt and is a better manager than he was all those years ago.

BUT, it would be a big risk.

Tony Everan
28 Posted 16/01/2022 at 18:56:09
To be honest I’m terrified whoever’s comes in, there doesn’t seem to be the perfect answer. In the summer I thought Potter would have been a good fit for the club, young and hungry wanting to build a something special. Could have dovetailed with Brands. Now I’m not so sure, that ship may have sailed. But it’s an opportunity for him that has opened up.

Even more left field names like Steve Cooper at Nottingham Forest are being mentioned. He has made an impressive difference there in a short space of time, and will get a PL job soon, a young Moyes?, but would be a huge leap in the dark coming to Everton. Another interesting proposal and big leap in the dark would be the young up and coming Brazilian manager Jay Wood Brz mentioned yesterday. Abel Ferreira? He also has made an impressive difference.

Not sure about Duncan either, he has been Assistant Manager throughout this shockingly bad period. Is he completely Teflon blameless? Has he rocked the boat to change things in recent months or put his job on the line? Or just fallen into line and backed Benitez for the quiet life ? Rooney is doing ok, just ok, and is really inexperienced. Martinez has tried and failed with predicted defensive frailty taking centre stage.

Favre, Kovac, Galtier would they come ? Would they need time to acclimatise? Maybe one of them, could be the silver bullet we are looking for. Mourinho eventually failed at Man U then at Tottenham. The Pl is too hot for him these days.

Conclusion, I’ll support whoever comes and be praying that we get lucky for once in that he is the right man at the right time.

Barry Rathbone
29 Posted 16/01/2022 at 18:56:58
Andy 23

And therein lies the madness of appointing Martinez. The schizm that hung like the sword of damacles over Benitez would continue with the return of the Bobster. No leeway at all for the fella but it sounds like it could be him or Wayne

Bill Rodgers
30 Posted 16/01/2022 at 19:00:36
Martinez would be nuts to come back to this toxic mess.

Let the fans have Big Dunc and pay the consequence.

Robert Tressell
31 Posted 16/01/2022 at 19:01:04
Tony # 28, I'm terrified too. Whoever it is, it will be a big gamble. There isn't a strong candidate available.
Bill Fairfield
32 Posted 16/01/2022 at 19:04:18
Unbelievable. The madness of King Farhad
Fran Mitchell
33 Posted 16/01/2022 at 19:05:42
Niko Kovac doesn't inspire, he's had a very average career so far. Did decent job a Monaco.

Rooney is too raw, and would be too emotional. He needs more time to finish the job he's started at Derby.

Lampard, seemed tactically naive at Chelsea. Could be trusted to promote youth. But could equally be a disaster.

Garcia seems a solid, unspectacular choice. He's do a decent job.

Potter won't be coming. But should have been our no1 choice in the summer.

One person who looks exciting:

Ruben Amorin. Young, dynamic manager of Sporting Lisbon. Portugal has an excellent record at producing managers (Bruno Lage the latest doing wonders at Wolves). He's 36 and has a 75% win record for Sporting over 2 years. Hotly tipped to be manage the big boys in the future.

Shane Kind
34 Posted 16/01/2022 at 19:07:46
When has any manager succeeded after returning to manage a former club? It's a massive no from me!
Mark Ryan
35 Posted 16/01/2022 at 19:10:12
If Bobby brown shoes returns and Duncan stays and doesn't see that as his opportunity to fuck he deserves nowt. NO NO NO to Martinez. The manager of Brightons says " he's not interested" that says it all. We are a joke club. Benitez quote" we knew it wouldn't be easy". what a prick
Julian Exshaw
36 Posted 16/01/2022 at 19:12:06
Although I really like Martinez and his first season was excellent, I think appointing him would just leave a lot of poo hitting a lot of fans (in the electronic device meaning of the word). This would be a huge risk, huge!
Jerome Shields
37 Posted 16/01/2022 at 19:12:18
The next Manager will be selected by our esteemed Board. Moshiri will probably only rubber stamp it, given his last experience. So be careful what you wish for. Would not be surprised that Martinez got the job. It will be a temporary position, whoever gets the job. Everton have not had a permanent Manager in years. .
Sean Roe
38 Posted 16/01/2022 at 19:12:53
If Martinez is coming back I hope the groundsmen have sorted out the ''sticky grass'' that blighted certain performances during his last tenure.

This surely has got to be a joke, but then this is Everton.

Phil Wood
39 Posted 16/01/2022 at 19:14:17
Unfortunately Roberto fits the bill as he is well mannered, politely spoken and looks very smart in a shirt and tie.
This appears to be the criteria to work for Everton as Manager (Rafa aside).
Will be very disappointed if it happens. However will still wish him all the best and pray he can motivate, organise and supercharge this current group of players to stay in this division.
Conor McCourt
40 Posted 16/01/2022 at 19:15:50
Barry have to disagree you on a well made point that Bobby would be on a hiding to nothing. Most Blues feel he was the beneficiary of following Moyes whereas I always felt it was a milestone round his neck.

Moyes was excellent for us in my opinion but he constantly slightly overachieved playing percentage based football which only takes you so far despite his consistency. Roberto played a more risk and reward type football and as you point out he was the creator of his own demise in his desperation to try and win something for us.

He would be coming in at a low where all our footballers look shit. He will improve the likes of Gomes,Richarlison and Holgate immediately with movement everywhere. His Belgium team also play with a much higher intensity than Martinez mark 1 did here.

I am excited at the prospect of his return as our youth will flourish and he will have a great understanding of what the squad needs unlike an outsider.

Brian Harrison
41 Posted 16/01/2022 at 19:17:15
Should they appoint Martinez it would again highlight that those in control pay no attention to the thoughts of the fans. He had 1 good season his first inheriting a well drilled defence that all knew their jobs. But 12 /18 months later we became a liability defensively and thats why the fans were calling for him correctly to be sacked. I said in the summer Christophe Galtier was the man a highly motivated coach who had taken Lille from an average side to Champions beating PSG to the title. He then walked away and took over at Nice who were mid table and now are 2nd in the league to PSG.

He wont walk away from Nice till the summer and so far he has shown no inclination to manage outside France, and I don't think he speaks English. But if we can stay up he is a manager we should be talking to.

Peter Carpenter
42 Posted 16/01/2022 at 19:17:37
Noooooooooooo!
Colin Malone
43 Posted 16/01/2022 at 19:18:09
Rather have Emma Hayes than Martinez.
Peter Neilson
44 Posted 16/01/2022 at 19:18:29
Meanwhile when questioned on their succession plan Man City refused to deny they have Mark Hughes lined up, Liverpool with Roy Hodgson and Chelsea with Di Matteo. Only we accept this crap.
James Newcombe
45 Posted 16/01/2022 at 19:18:53
What is this, the finale of the circus show?
Peter Carpenter
46 Posted 16/01/2022 at 19:19:24
I'd rather have Melvyn Hayes
Eddie Dunn
47 Posted 16/01/2022 at 19:19:34
If Martinez is appointed, the problem will be simply that he may have been able to do well with an incredible Belgium talent pool, but he will fail to get a tune out of our squad which is lacking in mant departments. Perhaps he could inspire confidence in our players, unlike the abrasive Spaniard.

Martinez seems a nice guy but when I remember his final year, I recall just what a fuckwit he was with his bullshit talk.

James Head
48 Posted 16/01/2022 at 19:22:02
No to Martinez, he's got no chance of turning this shower of shite around, it needs someone with a much stronger personality to get stuck into the majority of these shithouse mercenary players, fans also want to hear some straight talking from whoever is in charge, we can see it's shite so lets hear whoever state it and tell us they wont tolerate the can't be arsed attitude of the vast majority of our pathetic squad.
Anthony Dove
49 Posted 16/01/2022 at 19:22:21
I am amazed at the lack of vitriol against BBS coming back.

Maybe we've all been beaten into submission. It was the fans who got rid of him. I thought the appointment of Sam was the ultimate piss take on supporters but obviously the FSW exceeded that. I hoped that was the lowest point but it seems I might have been wrong.

Whoever was responsible for the plane carrying the banner Martinez must go please fly over Goodison on Saturday with one saying Martinez no. Of course it could be too late by then.

Trevor Cotterell
50 Posted 16/01/2022 at 19:23:23
How many times have I said it? Be careful what you wish for...

NO. Please, NO NO NO.

Brian Wilkinson
51 Posted 16/01/2022 at 19:23:31
Could this be a smoke screen to put us on a low then announce a Manager we were not sure of, but by throwing Bobby in the mix, we are thankful we got the one we were not sure of.

So if either Ferguson or Rooney then land it, most will be happy, rather than having Bobby in charge again.

Clive Mitchell
52 Posted 16/01/2022 at 19:24:27
Er... let's all drop the vitriol Anthony, it isn't helping. I wonder if Lucas Digne would take the job as player manager?
John Reynolds
53 Posted 16/01/2022 at 19:24:54
NEVER GO BACK.
Jim Wilson
54 Posted 16/01/2022 at 19:25:52
No. We need to scrap now not give the opposition loads of space to play.
Give the job to Duncan, if it doesn't go well we can still bring someone in to save us.

Right now we need fight and a settled team not another clueless defence organiser with his constant team changes that disrupts team progress and does not 'refresh the players' as Martinez used to say.

Christy Ring
55 Posted 16/01/2022 at 19:27:48
Martinez bought McCarthy, Barry and put all his money in one basket and signed Lukaku, and had us playing great football, but it all went downhill. He had to bring in Alcaraz on a free because of injuries and Moshiri sacked him instead of backing him, in my opinion, but I wouldn't have him back now. Belgium were ranked no.1 in the world at one stage, with a brilliant squad, but he still won nothing with them. I hope the rumours are not true, but I reckon Bill is a fan unfortunately. It's Lampard for me.
Brendan McLaughlin
56 Posted 16/01/2022 at 19:27:48
Would be so typical of Everton...straight from the Benitez frying pan into the Martinez fire.
John Crook
57 Posted 16/01/2022 at 19:27:50
Id only have brown shoes back if he brings Lukaku on loan with him (as lets face it chelsea will be selling him in the summer after he gobshited on them),
Christy Ring
58 Posted 16/01/2022 at 19:27:51
Martinez bought McCarthy, Barry and put all his money in one basket and signed Lukaku, and had us playing great football, but it all went downhill. He had to bring in Alcaraz on a free because of injuries and Moshiri sacked him instead of backing him, in my opinion, but I wouldn't have him back now. Belgium were ranked no.1 in the world at one stage, with a brilliant squad, but he still won nothing with them. I hope the rumours are not true, but I reckon Bill is a fan unfortunately. It's Lampard for me.
John Keating
59 Posted 16/01/2022 at 19:28:16
Desperate to tighten up in defence and give ourselves a chance to get points on the board and Bobby no defence Martinez is mentioned. Unbelievable bad joke
Michael Boardman
60 Posted 16/01/2022 at 19:28:48
Can't believe it didn't make the narrative of the headline, but I have made it clear I do not want to be considered for the post at this time due to my ongoing commitment to ensuring Brexit gets done. Boris J, January 2022
Paul Birmingham
61 Posted 16/01/2022 at 19:29:01
I really hope not.

International football isn’t the same as the EPL. There’s enough BBS, to last a life time, in his stint between 2013-2016, and those games at Watford, and a few others, plus Leicester and then Sunderland were not far behind the last few games for venom level, from the Evertonians, and rightfully so, as the team had lost faith in his tactics, and were rank piss poor.

But, God only knows who, how and why, will get the role, but surely it’s too early to get a new management team, in for Villa.

Tony Hill
62 Posted 16/01/2022 at 19:30:45
Whoever is appointed must have universal support and a clean slate. We cannot afford yet another split and a desire to write off the manager before he's started.

We do really need to start to examine ourselves as a fan base - as Chris James has observed on another thread.

Who is this unicorn of a manager who will transform us and give us everything to which we imagine ourselves entitled?

Clive Mitchell
63 Posted 16/01/2022 at 19:31:06
Christy, why do you think Lampard would be a good idea?
Ray Mia
64 Posted 16/01/2022 at 19:31:54
No good options at all.
We don't have much leverage.
It's going to have to be someone that 100% understands the club, the fans, the history - and the current mess, and it's one almighty mess...

I thought Benitez should have been backed once he was appointed, I thought he was the best option at the time - but reading The Telegraph article, it paints a deeply depressing and dysfunctional operation at Everton... well beyond what I think any of us could have guessed...

I'd go for Ferguson until the end of the season - try before you buy, get it announced Monday - we have a week to prepare for Stevie & Digne... bring in a DoF between now and the Summer. We don't have much time to make a change to make an impact - its an alarming slide and we are heading towards a shit fight with paddles. I would have said there are three teams worse than us, but we just got easily beaten by one of them...

Mike Gaynes
65 Posted 16/01/2022 at 19:32:39
Great idea. Let's win the FA Cup and get relegated.

This would be insane on both sides.

Roberto would be fuckin' nuts to leave Belgium right before the WC.

And we'd be fuckin' nuts to hire him back.

Michael Boardman
66 Posted 16/01/2022 at 19:32:52
I have also ruled myself out (personally) - although I would hope I was ahead in the line of Jose Mourinho, despite his massive man-management successes and trophy-laden years recently. He and Rafa can sit together talking about Cocoon no doubt
Barry Hesketh
67 Posted 16/01/2022 at 19:33:34
I can't see the sense of bringing back Martinez as the manager, it may be claimed that he might have spent the money better than some, but our financial position is as bad as it was when he first joined the club, his failure to address the defence and his ability to bore the life out of Goodison in his latter days won't be accepted this time around.

Is Moshiri trying to annoy the life out of the fans or has Bill gone totally doolally in his old-age, or do the leaders at the club want to see us in the Championship? Even if he could bring Lukaku and De Bruyne with him, I still wouldn't want Martinez to manage Everton again.

Would it be incorrect to suggest that nobody of note wants the Everton job? Hence the less than stellar names being linked to the hot seat.

Jack Convery
68 Posted 16/01/2022 at 19:34:11
I have a better idea than BBS / Wayne / Dunc. Give the club to me and I'll take it to the vets and get it put down. At least the downward slide into mediocrity will be ended. Its either that or Moshiri, BK and his hangers on FUCK OFF and let the Old Lady restore her pride with someone in charge who knows what they are doing.
Lee Courtliff
69 Posted 16/01/2022 at 19:34:42
If you throw enough money at someone then they'll come. I'd happily sell one of our 'star' players if it means we can afford to get Potter out of Brighton.

He plays great football, he's experienced in the Premier League so requires no 'settling in period' and he's young, fresh and ambitious.

We should have got him in the summer.

Joe Corgan
70 Posted 16/01/2022 at 19:36:04
There isn’t a massive list of qualified, realistic candidates so I’m not hugely against Martinez potentially coming back.

He always conducted himself with professionalism and decorum, even at the end.

His sides are capable of playing beautiful, flowing, attacking football too, which is always a positive.

His biggest asset has to be his style of man-management. We’re in the position we’re in not least due to the lack of effort by some of the players. The hands-off approach of Ancelotti and the disciplinarian approach of Benitez have each failed to work. Martinez is a much more “arm around the shoulder” manager which I could see the players responding to.

As for whether he’s learned how to set up a team up to defend… I don’t know. But I know that if I went back to a job I’d left six years ago I’d definitely be keen to learn from my mistakes and make a better fist of it.

Trevor Cotterell
71 Posted 16/01/2022 at 19:38:38
Tony [62] Zinadine Zidane? However, not convinced about the existence of unicorns...

Don't often agree with Christy [58] but this time I do. Very few options out there, and of the few that are even vaguely possible, I'd be tempted by Lampard. Look, there's no-one any good who doesn't have soime history with one club or other. In the time he had at Chelse, he took them forward for a good while, but Chelsea seems a toxic managerial environment so hardly surprising how it went. At least he's a clean slate for us.

Really all that matters is that we can back him, and he has some power to carry on shaking things up. Ideally is demanding and won't take sh*t. Back to Zidane! Now, where do we find a unicorn?

Bill Fairfield
72 Posted 16/01/2022 at 19:38:49
No matter who comes there’ll be no success under this owner and board of directors.
David Hallwood
73 Posted 16/01/2022 at 19:40:08
NO NO NO Remember the west ham game. down to 10 men 2-0 up and he brings on a confused Niasse, with Barry sitting on the bench, and we lose 3-2. A man who had the choice of Funes Mori or Van Dyke. A man who inherited statistically the best back 4 in the prem, and at the end of his tenure we were letting goals in for fun.

A man who stated that he didn't work on set pieces, whose whole career the goals against column is horrendous. A man with the best national side in the world and has won nothing.

FFS we're leaking goals and they're considering him. Just when you think it can't get any worse.

Ian Hollingworth
74 Posted 16/01/2022 at 19:40:24
Are you fucking kidding?
If you asked the RS keep coming up with ideas to make Everton look complete pricks then just look at the last few years management of this club
No, no, no fucking no way
Am I pissed at this news
Everton just stop doing this shite PLEASE
Ian Hollingworth
75 Posted 16/01/2022 at 19:40:40
Are you fucking kidding?
If you asked the RS keep coming up with ideas to make Everton look complete pricks then just look at the last few years management of this club
No, no, no fucking no way
Am I pissed at this news
Everton just stop doing this shite PLEASE
Jem Bir
76 Posted 16/01/2022 at 19:40:48
Martinez vs Rooney?
It's got to be Martinez.

And no, Dunc is not an option, and neither is Lampard.

Jem Bir
77 Posted 16/01/2022 at 19:40:54
Martinez vs Rooney?
It's got to be Martinez.

And no, Dunc is not an option, and neither is Lampard.

Phil Lewis
78 Posted 16/01/2022 at 19:41:31
I would welcome Martinez back. I realise many will howl me down as his previous tenure ended acrimoniously for many.
However, he's vastly more experienced than when he managed us last, when his tactics were criticised for being too naive. He attempts to get his teams playing football with the same mindset as Guardiola and Arteta. Total football. That is the same mentality which produced the greatest Everton teams I've ever witnessed and I go back a very long time. Martinez is universally respected and very much has his finger on the pulse of continental football.
I do not think Rooney is the man for the job yet. Perhaps further down the line after proving himself elsewhere first. A partnership I would in fact consider ahead of Rooney, is that of Baines and Ferguson. I believe Baines to have all the right attributes to make a very good manager some day.
The biggest priority for me, is to dispense with Kenwright, Baxendale, Unsworth and all of their freeloading minions. A total clearout of these leeches is the only way forward for our club, if any sort of progress is to be made.
Nick Armitage
79 Posted 16/01/2022 at 19:41:40
Mixed feelings. I absolutely adore Martinez the man but the defending in his last season fills me with terror. We simpy don't have anyone dependable who can screen our abject defence and his tactics need at least one reliable pivot.

But imagine what he'll do with Gray, DCL and Richarlison. I think Gordon and Gomes would also really benefit.

However none of this deals with any of the root cause problems at the club. Everton's very own Doug Ellis keeps his trainset, Moshiri will continue to shoot from the hip and the board remains an ineffective crony filled laughing stock.

Einstein said the measure of intelligence is the ability to change. Moshiri doesn't appear to be changing much and that worries me far more than Roberto's defending.

Here we go again.

Simon Dalzell
80 Posted 16/01/2022 at 19:42:44
Please no. He's had his chance. Potter, but I can't see him leaving Brighton.
Terry Hughes
81 Posted 16/01/2022 at 19:43:03
Andy Crooks 23. I couldn’t agree more. Although I was against the Benitez appointment from the start I really do think that 70% of the blame lies with the players. They’re technically just not good enough, most are not fit enough and most are just lazy with a piss poor attitude.

Whoever comes in next is going to have exactly the same problem with those players unfortunately.

Christy Ring
82 Posted 16/01/2022 at 19:43:16
Clive#63 I thought he was unlucky at Chelsea, played a great brand of football, he gave the young players a chance, bought well and if I'm not mistaken, Tuchel won the Champions League with the same squad. Frank will definitely have learned from his time there.
James Head
83 Posted 16/01/2022 at 19:43:40
Joe# 70- These players don't need an arm around their shoulder they need a boot up their arse, no to Martinez it's another fkn disaster waiting to happen.
Mark Pridgeon
84 Posted 16/01/2022 at 19:44:50
It would be the equivalent of a Rabbit inviting myxomatosis into the burrough!! We paid him 10million pounds to go away, prior to that he had taken Wigan down. Lets learn from our mistakes, not repeat them. Einstein said "doing the same thing twice and expecting a different outcome is is complete madness".

Anthony Dove
85 Posted 16/01/2022 at 19:48:32
Tony@62.You are 100% right. The main thing the Club needs to concern itself with is that whoever comes in has the support of the majority of supporters. That certainly rules out BBS.


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Philip Bunting
86 Posted 16/01/2022 at 19:49:11
Have we not got fan representation on the board or at least they talked of it...ffs, speak to the fans.
Peter Carpenter
87 Posted 16/01/2022 at 19:50:33
James (83). Haven't they just had the boot up the arse and it didn't work?
Mike Gaynes
88 Posted 16/01/2022 at 19:50:38
James #83, these players have had "a boot up their arse" for the last five months. The results are self-evident.

This club needs a true leader with the tactical nous to get the best out of limited players. It wasn't Benitez. It also isn't Martinez.

Tony Hill
90 Posted 16/01/2022 at 19:53:20
Yes, Anthony, but I fear it's going to be him. If it is, do we lament our fate without giving him a fair go with full backing?

I write as one of the main opponents of his management on here in years 2 and 3.

Anthony Murphy
91 Posted 16/01/2022 at 19:53:53
Could it be that the approach to Martínez (if accurate) is to come in as interim manager and then move into DoF role in the summer? Trying to find a rationale here
Tony Hill
92 Posted 16/01/2022 at 19:54:56
PS if it's an interim appointment then that is barking mad. How on earth does that work?
Paul Dewhurst
93 Posted 16/01/2022 at 19:55:22
Martinez is a NO! His first season was our best points total in PL - he started well had the defensive unit from Moyes but came in and gave them a freedom and a confidence to play. But it all started to change in the December, a game around Christmas we lost to Sunderland at home (we had not lost at home that calendar year) around that time he had fell out with players Pienaar Baines and Distain I think and got rid of the Physios at the club. I think it was because of this he stopped playing Distain and had Stones in his place and we started to leak goals but he looked good bringing it out of defence. We did not finish the season great but had started well so got away with it, however we never got a run of wins from him after that first 6 months. The 2nd season, was like Moyes 2nd season and we went backwards, we started giving away easy goals the narrative was he would get the time like Moyes did and only at a real club would you get the time. Third season we barely got back to back results. He probably has improved as a manager but his defending at set pieces where we are already poor is not going fo stop the rot
John Keating
94 Posted 16/01/2022 at 19:55:30
Phil
Total football a la Arteta and Pep???
Fantastic in fact phenomenal.
Thing is have you looked at the league table?
Do you really think total football is best just now to get us out the position we’re in?
Peter Neilson
95 Posted 16/01/2022 at 19:57:50
I’d call Gordon Lee before Martinez.
Mark Frere
96 Posted 16/01/2022 at 19:57:52
Martinez would be a bigger disaster than he was last time, and that's saying something! He's the worst manager (along with Mike Walker) we've ever had!

His successful first season here was built on the strong Moyes structure that already existed, and to Martinez's credit, he initially bought better players to complement that: Lukaku, Barry, McCarthy, Deulofeu etc were all good additions, as was promoting Barkley to the senior team.

Unfortunately, by year two of Martinez's tenure, his unsound methods (with the same group of players) had set in. There was a rapid decline in the fitness of the players. The once fairly solid defence had crumbled and we started conceding goals for fun... many from set pieces that Roberto even admitted they didn't practice in training. Our football became slow and ponderous: lots of sideways and backwards passing... Possession without any purpose. There was no pressing of the opposition without the ball! It was atrocious to watch.

Moyes wasn't perfect and we did need a better manager to take us to the next level, but Roberto wasn't that. In fact, he just dismantled every that was good that Moyes built. We should've appointment a manager like Bielsa who would've further improved the already top notch fitness levels of the players, as well as taking us to the next level on the playing side.

Darren Hind
97 Posted 16/01/2022 at 19:58:46
I Roberto gets the gig. Duncan needs to get himself to fuck.

If he isn't getting the gig now, He isn't getting it

Tony Abrahams
98 Posted 16/01/2022 at 19:58:58
I’d bring back Martinez, and get rid of Unsworth, because I’m certain that our old manager could be as good as anyone in world football, in that specific role, and would help to create an academy that would benefit Everton Football club for years. He’s managing one of the world’s best international football side’s though, so I can’t see this happening, unfortunately.

It’s got to be Duncan, because he’s already seen off six managers, and must get a proper chance one day. If he fails, we can just appoint Rooney, because I’m sure he wouldn’t mind appointing Ferguson as his number two, if things don’t work out for the big man.

All else has failed, so I’m thinking it’s got be those two now, but who’s going to be number one, and who’s going to be number two, because that seems to be the harder decision to make imo.

Anthony Dove
99 Posted 16/01/2022 at 19:59:31
Tony@90. I think we’ve all done more than can be humanly expected of giving shit managers a fair crack of the whip.
James Head
100 Posted 16/01/2022 at 19:59:34
#87 = 88 No they need boots and rockets up their shithouse mercenary arses, oh you poor millionaires come on lets have a group hug and just ignore those nasty fans.
Barry Rathbone
101 Posted 16/01/2022 at 19:59:38
Let's examine the Martinez can't defend idea.

The simplistic analysis is Martinez originally benefitted from Moyes marvellous defence 😆😆 then they forgot how to defend because Bobby didn't practice corners yep!! no other explanation.

Hang on - unless Moyes set out the 11 to hold on for dear life and hope to nick something on the break, "KITAP1" was it? And Bobby didn't. Thus defenders stripped of protection proved not to be quite as good as some would have you believe.

Oh! another thing, his Belgium side with decent defenders have always looked pretty damn good to me.

Don't come ffs Bobby they will kill you

Phil (Kelsall) Roberts
102 Posted 16/01/2022 at 20:00:07
Is Everton's problem the defence or the attack?

After you have answered that - is Martinez going to solve that problem?

If you answer is yes, then I think you need your head examining.

Joe Corgan
103 Posted 16/01/2022 at 20:00:21
James #83 - As others have just pointed out, Benitez was a boot up at the arse. Ancelotti similar, to a lesser degree.

Martinez is not the perfect choice. There is no perfect choice. But his style of man-management is in stark contrast to the methods which have failed so far.

Brendan McLaughlin
104 Posted 16/01/2022 at 20:01:17
If it's an interim appointment...it has to be Big Dunc? He's the only one who could convincingly yell "Get in ter im!"
Dave Whitwell
105 Posted 16/01/2022 at 20:03:04
Sean Dyche anyone?

Guy performs miracles with Burnley and is one who knows the league inside out certainly wouldn’t allow players to go missing, would like to think we could do better but we could also do a lot worse

Jerome Shields
106 Posted 16/01/2022 at 20:03:26
What a shambles of a Club.
Peter Carpenter
107 Posted 16/01/2022 at 20:03:46
He's the guy who brought us... Mo Besic, isn't he?
Anyone who thinks Mykolenko had a poor debut should look at Besic's.
Fran Mitchell
108 Posted 16/01/2022 at 20:05:20
Talk of an interim role.

Belgium have just 1 game between now and end of season. Very curious, never seen such a situation before.

Everton are a basket case.

But Martinez may at least bring 'feel good'. Which is clearly missing.

The idea that the players need 'a boot up their arse' is as outdated as 4-4-2.

Managing modern players is more nuanced than the 'hairdryer treatment' of before. Discipline, yes, but also respect, nurture, and essentially, they need good tactical guidance and good coaching. This is what hs been lacking

James Head
109 Posted 16/01/2022 at 20:05:32
Benitez was an arrogant out of date fraud who knew he'd be sacked within 6 months, no ones getting a tune out of these spineless players with arms around shoulders and group hugs, they need to train harder and be coached better as well as growing some cahones.
Peter Carpenter
110 Posted 16/01/2022 at 20:06:48
Fair enough, James. That's clear!
Keith Slinger
111 Posted 16/01/2022 at 20:08:56
Give the job to big Dunc as an interim manager. That gives the board 5 months to search and do their own due diligence on our next manager.
Clive Rogers
112 Posted 16/01/2022 at 20:09:06
Dave, 105, Burnley are bottom of the league for heaven’s sake.
Peter Neilson
113 Posted 16/01/2022 at 20:09:16
I’d wager Duncan is getting the job short term/see how it goes. Other candidates being linked at this stage is just paper talk. The rest will play out in our usual shambolic way. Bring on the Villa.
Ian Hollingworth
114 Posted 16/01/2022 at 20:09:19
You all know that it’s Kenshite who will be promoting Martinez
Have you all forgotten how absolute shite we were under Bobby and we dego would have been relegated if he had stayed
We get all we deserve if we go with that clown
Unbelievable what a joke we are
Mark Ryan
115 Posted 16/01/2022 at 20:09:53
So if its between Duncan and BBS, then Ferguson it is, simple as that
Peter Carpenter
116 Posted 16/01/2022 at 20:10:49
Didn't RM fall out with Distin before a Europa League tie in Kiev? Left him out and played Alcaraz instead. Lost 5-2. Who would leave out a key player because of ego? Very silly.
David Nicholls
117 Posted 16/01/2022 at 20:11:23
“Rondon is phenomenal, an incredible Venezuelan diamond.”
Mal van Schaick
118 Posted 16/01/2022 at 20:13:36
I’m holding back, I’m drunk.
Marc Hints
119 Posted 16/01/2022 at 20:14:02
Well if Martinez is on twitter and other social media and is reading it, think he will probably stay with Belgium
Mike Price
120 Posted 16/01/2022 at 20:15:21
Why not offer Klopp 25 million a year…it’s relatively cheap compared to the money we’ve wasted and if nothing else it would make the Americans have to pay up and match it!
I always thought Martinez needed a bit more time and was let go too soon but the problem now is, that it would yet again, divide the fan base and that’s the last thing we currently need.
Ferguson grabbing a few around the throat is something we’d all love to see but unfortunately times have changed and as soon as these mediocre specimens have signed their contracts they’re untouchable and don’t need to give a toss about what some manager or other says to them. It’s like a teacher and pupils at school…limited authority and no fear or power whatsoever.
Paul Tran
121 Posted 16/01/2022 at 20:15:59
Only rumours, so I won't get excited till the appointment is made.

The Martinez of his first season would excite me. He made two big mistakes - he publicly said he needed seven players and assumed Kenwright would give him the budget for it. When that backing didn't come, he was stuffed with that dressing room. He never recovered from that.

I don't care who we get, as long as they get the team playing with some energy and purpose. Haven't seemn that consistently since that first season of Roberto's.

A sensible owner would get Ferguson in till at least the end of the season, hire a Director of Football, bring in some proper directors and let them all get on with it.

But we've got Moshiri, so Christ knows what will happen!

Soren Moyer
122 Posted 16/01/2022 at 20:16:25
Nooooooooooooooooo!
Joe McMahon
123 Posted 16/01/2022 at 20:16:38
Has to be Duncan to the end of the season. How much was Martinez paid when sacked. What a ridiculous circus of a football club this is. Duncan will have a home Saturday kick off, and we will beat Villa. But he can't swing and lift ball boys every match. He's been waiting for his chance, this could be it.
Dave Lynch
124 Posted 16/01/2022 at 20:16:45
Ffs... How many times is Potter going to be mentioned when he is NOT GOING TO LEAVE BRIGHTON!
Martinez would be defensive suicide, as if we aren't bad enough already, Rooney will not leave Derby in the shit either, if he keeps them up then he has written his own legacy at very young managerial age.
Fergus has not got the balls for management or he would have either left or stepped up to the plate.
That leaves us with... I have no fucking clue and have past caring.
The one thing I do know is... We must survive this season at all costs, going down will be the death knell of this "once" great club.
Christopher Timmins
125 Posted 16/01/2022 at 20:17:31
Duncan, it’s his time!
Pat Kelly
126 Posted 16/01/2022 at 20:17:54
The barrel is now being scraped. Who wants to damage their reputation by association with a Club run by amateurs ? The odd dinosaur looking for a pay day maybe. Or someone who doesn't have a reputation to protect. Noticeably some candidates are reportedly backing off. Moshiri is painting himself into a corner. He should have left it to professionals.
Nigel Munford
127 Posted 16/01/2022 at 20:21:15
Why? Why? Why? What is this club thinking? Aren’t we a big enough laughing stock? Five, yes five managers in six years ffs!!!! Now we’re thinking about going backwards, how much was his pay off? We would be mad to have Martinez back. So given how mad this club has become I guess it’ll be Martinez then!!
Paul Swan
128 Posted 16/01/2022 at 20:21:52
This bastard cost me good seats in the lower Bullens when I vowed I would never renew my season tickets whilst he was still at the club. Talked absolute bollocks and dished out some of the worst football imaginable. Remember his wonderful introduction of Niasse v West Ham? 3-0 at fat sam’s Sunderland? 4-0 in the Derby?? Just NO!
Michael Lynch
129 Posted 16/01/2022 at 20:22:03
What the fuck are they thinking if they are even vaguely considering bringing back a manager who has already failed once and been sacked?

This Martinez rumour has to be a piss take.

Justin Doone
131 Posted 16/01/2022 at 20:22:45
Fake news, the board aren't that stupid.

Oh F@^#

Nicholas Ryan
132 Posted 16/01/2022 at 20:23:53
It would just be so 'Everton' to announce with great fanfare, that Martinez was the unanimous choice; only for the Belgian FA to then refuse to release him!!
Philip Bunting
133 Posted 16/01/2022 at 20:23:54
Please be Ferguson. And if that comes to pass every Supporter is needed to get behind him and support from here on it. COYB
Justin Doone
134 Posted 16/01/2022 at 20:24:28
Kovac the most sensible and available option.

Minimum salary, maximum bonus!

Ed Prytherch
135 Posted 16/01/2022 at 20:24:30
His signing of Niasse was the final nail for Bobby. Lets not forget that.
Joe McMahon
136 Posted 16/01/2022 at 20:27:29
Dave - Sean Dyche is a football neanderthal, no way. The football Burnley play is the most negative there is to be seen. They have won 1 match all season.

People keep mentioning Potter (why I don't know). But he ain't leaving Cosmopolitan Brighton on the sunny South Coast for project Woodison. For me Dunc till end of season. He will keep us up, and has our first Saturday home game for nearly 4 months to start.

I never honestly cannot believed half a million could be squandered so easily in 5 years. Its pitiful, and once again we can thank the teary one for making all this happen. Yet again the club is a laughing stock.

Tony Twist
137 Posted 16/01/2022 at 20:30:50
It's never going to happen but I would get Lampard with John Terry as his assistant, with Dunc as his other assistant. The players wouldn't dare under perform with them in charge!
Gary Willock
138 Posted 16/01/2022 at 20:33:10
Think a pretty reasonably sized minority of our fans won’t except anything less than a 55-60+ year old defensive specialist, with set piece expertise and a preference for KITAP1. Ideally with an ability to lambast players, and accept youth are failures after two games…….

Allardyce, Carlo, (arguably), and Benitez fit that bill perfectly, and they are all reflective periods of horror.

Ffs grow some balls, let’s find someone who tries to win games, and gamble. I’d rather go down having a go than suffer the perpetual mundane we’ve had under this lot.

Jay Harris
139 Posted 16/01/2022 at 20:33:49
We all know who is behind the agenda for Martinez "What a manager" as we get another 4 past our defence.

If they have the temerity to even discuss the position with MArtinez I will be finished with the club until Moshiri and Kenwright are gone.

Time for new owners with a new vision.

Michael Boardman
140 Posted 16/01/2022 at 20:34:43
Cosmopolitan Brighton - one way to describe it. I think the man has ambition, and while Everton ain't pushing the top 7 (once Newcastle become part of this), Brighton are basically Bournemouth, Watford, Brentford, Burnley or Norwich, in that they are milking the PL monies until they fall the way of Portsmouth, Barnsley, Stoke, Swansea, Bolton etc.
Tommy Carter
141 Posted 16/01/2022 at 20:35:07
Duncan to stick it to Stevie G next week. That’s the hope
Ray Jacques
142 Posted 16/01/2022 at 20:36:55
Phenomenal.
Pls no.
Martin Reppion
143 Posted 16/01/2022 at 20:37:11
Oh hell, I've overslept. By about 12 weeks.
It can't be 1st of April already can it?
Martinez was a bad appointment from day one. All this 'great first season' rubbish that is spouted simply ignores that although we were in the top 3 at Xmas we plummeted in the 2nd half when the teams we'd played looked at the video and saw that he only had one tactic. Martin Jol at Fulham took only 20 minutes to spot it and we got dumped out of the league cup with our players looking confused and stupid.
Any manager who is described as 'having a philosophy' should be avoided like the plague. We need someone who can MANAGE what we have and get the best out of the squad. It shouldn't be difficult. We have some good players. But trying to drive a family saloon like its an Aston Martin is asking for trouble.
No panic signing. Let Dunc run it for now and give him free reign to kick some overpaid arses.
In June we can either stick with it or look to replace. An outsider coming in now will have to get to know everyone from scratch. We don't have the time.
Michael Boardman
144 Posted 16/01/2022 at 20:37:21
Bobby wanted VVD, but we couldn't afford him, so we got Funes Mori (and some Uruguayan). He signed Niasse though, but wasn't this because he needed to spend the money allocated, and that was the best offered (think he was after some dude in Holland, but they wouldn't sell for what we had to spend)
Tommy Carter
145 Posted 16/01/2022 at 20:37:55
@ Dave 124 and others

If you honestly believe Potter would not leave Brighton and Hove Albion to join Everton football club the. You know absolutely nothing about football. He’d leave in an instant, it would literally be a non decision.

Nick Page
146 Posted 16/01/2022 at 20:38:26
No no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no fucking no!
Mike Gaynes
147 Posted 16/01/2022 at 20:42:26
Well, Tommy, I guess I know absolutely nothing about football. Thank goodness there's an expert like you here to inform me of why he'd be so eager to drop seven spots down the ladder to a mess like this. Also why Brighton would be willing to let him go, given that he's contracted there through 2025.
Ciarán McGlone
148 Posted 16/01/2022 at 20:43:56
Christ. You really couldn't make this stuff up. The level of incompetence is breathtaking.
Rob Halligan
149 Posted 16/01/2022 at 20:48:09
Lots of suicidal people on here, thinking Martinez has already been appointed. Apparently the club have approached the Belgium FA asking for permission to speak to Martinez. Has this been approved or declined, have the club even approached the Belgium FA? The chances are the Belgium FA will decline any such approach anyway, with it being World Cup year they will be very reluctant to lose their manager. Martinez himself could decline the offer. He’s been sacked once by Moshiri. He would have to go on a epic run of trophy success, Pep style, to escape being sacked again. I doubt very much Martinez would want the dubious honour of being sacked twice by the same club. Imagine how humiliating that would be for him. I think it’s safe to say he won’t be coming back.

But then again, who knows??

Steve Croston
150 Posted 16/01/2022 at 20:49:13
Bobby brown shoes 👞 is coming back it seems!
If he's being mooted, then it'll happen because our board is that fucking stupid. Jesus wept.
Sean Randles
151 Posted 16/01/2022 at 20:50:00
Great news. Worked miracles with no money and got us our record points total and into 2 semi finals. Hounded out of the club as we thought we could do better. 5 managers later and £500m spent and none of them got anywhere close to what he did. Clearly the best qualified and experienced and available candidate.
Danny Baily
152 Posted 16/01/2022 at 20:51:10
It's Rooney or Dunc for me. We've been down the Martinez route. But if it is Martinez then so be it.
Pat Kelly
153 Posted 16/01/2022 at 20:51:48
Seriously, people getting worked up about brown shoes. When it's brown trousers we'll be needing.
Mike Keating
154 Posted 16/01/2022 at 20:52:45
The man has had the ‘golden generation’ for the past five years at least and done SWFA.
NO THANKS
Ciarán McGlone
155 Posted 16/01/2022 at 20:53:09
Think of the daftest thing a club would do, a totally inept "that will never fucking happen" moment.. and you can bet your house that these idiots will do it.
Tony McNulty
156 Posted 16/01/2022 at 20:53:51
Do I smell the following interim arrangement?

Martinez keeps his role with Belgium pro tem but supports Duncan on a part-time basis until the end of the season when, depending on performance, the DOF and managerial roles are confirmed.

Tim Locke
157 Posted 16/01/2022 at 20:54:41
The issue isn’t the manager - per say - it’s the money which has been spent on wages and ok to rubbish players. We are the only club who are negative when it comes to financial fair play at a massive minus 35m. The problems at the club are so so deep and we need more than anything stability, it’s going to be a painful 3-4 years while we re-group and have to accept that 14-10 place finishes will be our lot. Hopefully the new appointment will bring that stability.
Jason Wilkinson
158 Posted 16/01/2022 at 20:55:00
Wanted: Top class manager.
Must have vast European experience.
Must have won trophies at several previous appointments.
Must have worked with top international players.

The job role: To keep a bunch of underachieving, overpaid layabout frauds in a division above there ability.
The company: A divided management structure with a sentimental old fart talking about players from 60+ years ago.
The benefits: World class training facilities (hardly used). Close to international airports (for when you need to leave quickly).

Paul Jones
159 Posted 16/01/2022 at 20:55:22
Get off the fence Nick @ 146 and tell us your opinion.
Mike Hayes
160 Posted 16/01/2022 at 20:57:15
No thanks if he’s in I’m gone abs Everton can fuck off - no ambition whatsoever so why should I care anymore 😡💔
Dave Lynch
161 Posted 16/01/2022 at 21:00:39
Tommy@145.
Enlighten me as to why he would leave?
I await your response... convince me!
Robert Tressell
162 Posted 16/01/2022 at 21:01:14
Potter could get Brighton into Europe with a developing squad alongside Dan Ashworth.

That would make him a contender for some big jobs - especially those that work on an effective DoF model, with player development focussed recruitment. He's already been abroad once, so we're not just talking Premier League.

He would be risking a season or more in the Championship to leave Brighton for Everton - rebuilding a tarnished reputation - and I doubt we could afford the severance package anyway.

Unfortunately Tommy, Everton might be a prestigious job in your eyes but it's a bum job right now.

I would be staggered if Potter is remotely interested.

Iakovos Iasonidis
163 Posted 16/01/2022 at 21:03:08
The job role: To keep a bunch of underachieving, overpaid layabout frauds in a division above there ability. Spot on Jason Wilkinson 158. This is the job for now...
Tommy Carter
165 Posted 16/01/2022 at 21:04:44
@161

Dave. Come on.

He manages Brighton and Hove Albion. The opportunity would be to manage Everton FC.

It’s as simple as that.

Michael Boardman
166 Posted 16/01/2022 at 21:05:27
Dave #161 - sorry to butt in. Because this is Everton, 45k attendances per week, established top flight club, and just generally well regarded good egg. Brighton, while forward thinking, are never, ever, going to get to anywhere near, all things considered - you could chuck £100bn at them, still wouldn't happen.
Len Hawkins
167 Posted 16/01/2022 at 21:08:02
Belgium are approaching Monkeyworld for a loan to take over from Brown Brogue Bob as an experiment to see if a primate can coach a team with DeBruyne Hazzard and Lukaku in it.

Lampard can't understand us Norven carrot crunchers, Mourinho is a busted flush Potter has removed himself from contention.
So now we are down to Woy Hodgson (if he can find his bus pass) Slavering Bilic Uncle Joe Santos Colin Wa*ker.

If Martinez is brought back then not just English Football we'll be the laughing stock of WORLD Football. Why don't we ask Everton what they'd do.

Ian Edwards
168 Posted 16/01/2022 at 21:08:28
It's got to be Martinez. We'd all give our right arm for 72 points and 2 semis.

Ferguson has been a Coach for 5 awful years. I hope the next Manager kicks him to the Kerb.

Fran Mitchell
169 Posted 16/01/2022 at 21:08:30
Martinez hasn't done sweet FA with the. 'golden generation'. His very good Belgian team was beaten in consecutive semi finals by a very good France and a very good Italy, both of whom went on to win the tournaments.

They've scored bucketfuls of goals, played great football, and despite being much lauded, it's not like their 'golden generation' was so much better than every team Just in the context of Belgium.

Their squad is always quite thin with average players as back up, and key players like. de Bruyne and Hazard suffering injuries at tournaments. Also, their backline was good 10 years ago, but no good young defenders have really come through. But a 75% win record is impressive.

Again, I'm not sold on him being manager. But he has done a solid job as Belgium manager.

Graeme Beresford
170 Posted 16/01/2022 at 21:11:48
The problem now is who do we want and more to the point what do we need.

What we want is a manager that will play good attacking football, someone who shows passion, integrity and someone you can rely on not to blame injury’s etc when we get beat. I would say Duncan Ferguson showed more passion in 4 games in charge than I seen from Carlo and Rafa put together. The running down the touch line, lifting the ball boys up, wearing Howard Kendall’s watch, tricking Sky into his formation against United away, celebrating with the fans at United away, beating Chelsea at home, bringing Moise Kean on and taking him off after ten minutes for clearly not following his instructions…. To me all of this is what we want! Passion… however..

Is it what we need?

Right now we are facing serious relegation worries. Is Ferguson the man who can get us some wins and keep us in the league. What if it goes wrong? Will the fans moan at Dunc if he makes the wrong sub? Or if we lose a game that we should of won… I’M not sure if Duncan is what we need but to me… he’s clearly the best option for now. It’s just crazy though how teams like Villa, Liverpool, Arsenal, etc all seem to of found good managers and yet here we are again… sacked him, massive pay off (wonder how much he will donate to Everton in the City, like he did with Liverpool and Hillsborough) and we seem back to square one.

I do feel like last year we had so much promise under Carlo, we had Digne, James Rodrigues, Allan and Doucoure etc. yes he lost some stupid games but I feel like we are miles and miles away from this now. Why did we even bother with Rafa? What was the point in the last 6 months? What’s better…. Nothing! It was a complete waste of time. We have let our left back go and then 4 days later we sack the manager who he fell out with. All seems so typical…. Everton.

Mike Corcoran
171 Posted 16/01/2022 at 21:13:10
Benitez repeatedly stated we would be better in the 2nd half of the season. Must have known he was getting binned!
Mark McDonald
172 Posted 16/01/2022 at 21:15:00
Not sure about Martinez again. It never works the second time round that goes for players too. So Rooney would be questionable but I can see a Ferguson/Rooney appointment as an interim only then assess depending on results.

If it is Martinez he will bring back Barkley!

Lastly and I know it will not happen so don't jump down my throat, I have mentioned my support of Bielsa everytime we are looking for a new manager.

NB: looks like Fulham will be back in the Premiership next season under Silva. Someone Richie looked upon as a father-figure when he came to UK.

Paul Hewitt
173 Posted 16/01/2022 at 21:19:27
Potter will not come here, he's destined for a top club in a few years. Coming to Everton now would be career suicidal.
Mark McDonald
174 Posted 16/01/2022 at 21:20:39
My thoughts on reading Benetiz's statement. He is a true politician! Says the right thing just to suit his own ego and personal reasons. In this case until his £9million is deposited into his account.
Conor McCourt
175 Posted 16/01/2022 at 21:24:50
I don't think it's those who want Martinez that need their heads tested its those that are looking outside of Martinez, Ferguson and Rooney who are in cuckoo land.

We have no money to spend, are currently flagging, a club in chaos and even much less historic clubs have greater appeal. I think Kovac and Lampard would be mediocre appointments but why would they come here? It's only those that love the club that will stand forward at this time.

Martinez is statistically our fourth best manager and had Ancelotti been here much longer he would be higher. He loves the club and will no doubt have been scrutinising us closely.

Likewise if Dunc or Wayne got it they would have a clear picture of the task they face. Most are underwhelmed by the candidates, I am more optimistic than I have been for a very long time.

Duncan McDine
176 Posted 16/01/2022 at 21:25:36
My Dad turns 70 in a few days. It’s his fault that my brother and I are Everton fans. In his (and obviously our) lifetime, to my knowledge, the only managers to win anything had previously played for Everton (Catterick, Kendal, Royle). I’m not saying either Rooney or the big man will bring us glory, but I’d rather test this theory than see Roberto or some other idiot fuck things up again. Colin - perhaps we should appoint Iwobi as player manager?
Ian Edwards
177 Posted 16/01/2022 at 21:27:29
Conor 175. Had Ancelotti stayed any longer we would be still waiting for a home win.
Joseph Walsh
178 Posted 16/01/2022 at 21:27:37
We are never getting a European or exotic manager who hasn’t managed in the premier league. Why? Because you only have to look at the proposed short list of previous managers and players to show you how utterly short sighted our board are, how ignorant of footballing matters Moshiri is and who is providing that short list of names …Uncle Bill - it’s like we are stuck in a time loop of repeat reset repeat. Moshiri only appointed Ancelotti because he probably heard his mate Jim White mention him on Sky Sports
It also appears our board/Moshiri are influenced on footballing matters by “friendly” agents that don’t have the club’s best interests at heart but their client’s and their wallets interests which is worrying who we could end up with.
Rooney is less than a year into management and I would argue we need experience right now to dig us out of this mess as I heard today we have the worst points total at this stage of a premier league season than ever before which is scary. So if he is still performing in 3 seasons then absolutely but not right now.
Martinez I really liked as a person and I loved his first season as he got us believing again. He also “got” the club but we have short memories if we forget how bad that last season was and that Bournemouth game summed it up.
We could also do with a couple of leaders on the pitch as that squad is weak to the core. Even on loan before the window closed but who is going to be in charge to buy them?
Dave Lynch
179 Posted 16/01/2022 at 21:28:28
Tommy and Mike.
Attendances count for nothing, Newcastle get the gates we do, they went down and are looking likely to drop again.
Sunderland where a big club in the prem, as where Villa when they took the drop, not one world class coach took those jobs when they where in crisis.
Managers look at budgets and squad depth, we have neither.
Potter has already stated by the way that he is "not interested" in the Everton Post.
So much for our reputation.
Get this... we are a basket case of a club from top to bottom.
BK will have you believe otherwise but every fucker in football knows the truth.
Mick Roberts
180 Posted 16/01/2022 at 21:28:38
Another moshri fuck the fans if this happens well if It does fuck you moshri you are a poison chalice
Len Hawkins
181 Posted 16/01/2022 at 21:29:12
Any way all this conjecture is immaterial when the Ruski's invade Ukraine this week then kiss your jacksie goodbye, forecast is nice weather in Ukraine wednesday.
Lee Courtliff
182 Posted 16/01/2022 at 21:30:47
Sky Bet obviously have Bobby, Duncan and Wayne as favourites but Potter has dropped from 20/1 to 8/1 in the space of a couple of hours.

I put a fiver on him at 20/1. More in hope than expectation. Just the thought of us playing entertaining, modern football drove me to it.

Phil Greenough
183 Posted 16/01/2022 at 21:32:41
We've gone from agent Rafa to the Hood from Thunderbirds. We're doomed if he gets the job.
David Hallwood
184 Posted 16/01/2022 at 21:34:22
Please, please, please Bobby think of the world Cup and turn the job down.
Paul Dewhurst
185 Posted 16/01/2022 at 21:34:47
Fran 108 - 4-4-2 is outdated? Pep has city playing 4-4-2 when they loose the ball and defend and they are the best team by a mile.
Ian Bennett
186 Posted 16/01/2022 at 21:35:05
Martinez would be great, bring Kone, Alcaraz, and Niasse with you.

If we are going for the full shit show, lets fill our boots.

What is Mcgeady & Besic upto these days?

Tony Abrahams
187 Posted 16/01/2022 at 21:35:35
I can’t believe he’s had the audacity to send a message after being relieved of his duties, especially because he’d have been better saying nothing, or at least just saying the wrong things!

I used to always think that the easiest job in football, must be, to be a reserve goalkeeper, and then Moshiri came along.

Iain Jones
188 Posted 16/01/2022 at 21:37:49
Bobby!!!!!!!!!!!! No chance. He not interested in defending and we are appalling at defending. How’s he going to tell Keane how not to Score own goals and Colman not to pass to opponents? Are team need a rocket up them and he is not the man!
Paul Dewhurst
189 Posted 16/01/2022 at 21:38:52
Paul Tran 121 - Martinez of the 1st two years, I think you are way off, please go check the results after his first 6 months we where god awful
Joseph Walsh
190 Posted 16/01/2022 at 21:39:09
168 - Ian
After today’s announcement one semi is enough… I couldn’t cope with two in one day!
Derek Knox
191 Posted 16/01/2022 at 21:39:41
Having read all the comments, with differing names being brandished around, there is one common denominator, ' The Board 'will have to appoint (?). Would that be the same dysfunctional Board that got us into this mess in the first place ?

A Board which comprises of Billy Bullshitter, DBB who knows as much about Football and Everton as Ronald McDonald, the newly appointed 'Yes Man Sharpie' now which way do you believe this ' Think Tank ' (???) will take us ?

Ian Carter
192 Posted 16/01/2022 at 21:40:04
No. Martinez is a hasty hire that doesn't need to be made. The club has enough talent to easily avoid relegation with Dunc in charge til the end of this season. He has enough sense to know what formation to play and where each player should play positionally. Will we finish top 10, maybe not. But at this point, it doesn't matter if we finish 8th or 13th. Just let Dunc take the reigns for the rest of the yr. Then go after Potter in the off-season. We will have a better chance to get him after the season than trying to get him now.
Dave Lynch
193 Posted 16/01/2022 at 21:42:39
The Benitez statement of.
"It's only when you are on the inside you realise the magnitude of the job".

Says it all for me.

Ashley Roberts
194 Posted 16/01/2022 at 21:44:23
When Dunc took the reins last time he said he did not want the job permanently. He knows his limitations and while he maybe a great motivator that only gets you so far. I cannot see him or Rooney being the magical tacticians but I take my hat off to what Rooney is doing at Derby. I am not sure he could repeat this in the premiership?

None of the current prospective managers are ideal and none fill me with confidence. The fact that we are even considering Martinez shows that the club is in a complete bloody mess and I don’t know who will be able to turn things around with the squad we have. However, Out of all the recommendations, I think Martinez on paper has to be the best option. Potter will not take the poison challis now and Lampard was unable to get Chelsea firing with all of their stars. Whoever it is, we need to get them in quickly so we can purchase some recruitments as Benetiz has really shafted us in that capacity having the club get rid of Brands. Let’s get Martinez in as an interim similar to what has happened at UTD and then look for somebody long term. Unfortunately, I am fearful of the future and cannot believe how on earth Everton have fallen to the depths we have. The club is a joke at the moment and all the pundits know it.

Brendan McLaughlin
195 Posted 16/01/2022 at 21:45:10
Lee#182
With next to no interest in the "next manager for Everton" market...little wonder your fiver impacted the odds so dramatically.
Mike Gaynes
196 Posted 16/01/2022 at 21:45:17
Rob #149, you take all the fun out of panicking.
Glenn Williams
197 Posted 16/01/2022 at 21:47:17
I remember when Moshiri said Everton must not become a museum to the past. I had no idea he meant a masoleum instead. What have we done to deserve this?
Rob Halligan
198 Posted 16/01/2022 at 21:48:06
It’s true though, Mike. I’d be very surprised if Martinez accepts the post.
Ken Kneale
199 Posted 16/01/2022 at 21:49:17
Tony 98 As you know I respect your posts immensely but this one baffles me - what part of Ferguson makes him a suitable candidate given his sycophancy to the regimes of the last four managers he has collected the balls for and enjoyed a ringside seat on failure. Is his continuing presence and the debt he owes to BK really going to bring about the required change?
Philip Bunting
200 Posted 16/01/2022 at 21:54:09
Now that the FSW has gone, I term's of managerial change we need someone to keep it simple, play players in natural position, drop Coleman, complete liability and done. Drop Rondon, play 4 3 3. Richy, Dcl and Grey uptop with Doucoure, Allen and Townsend. Allen in front of back 4. Play Patterson at right back. Minaxand Godfrey at centre half and trust in our new lb to settle in. Stop Zonal marking and mark your player. Defend from the front and press, if in doubt, clear it. No tika taka in defence and most importantly show passion, fight and a winning mentality. 👏 not much to ask to keep it simple
Nick Page
201 Posted 16/01/2022 at 21:54:23
I think we need a witch doctor rather than a new manager.
Paul Swan
202 Posted 16/01/2022 at 21:54:50
Interesting posts by Villa fans in their equivalent of the red Echo about not wanting to face a fired up Everton with big Dunc at the helm.
Tony Abrahams
203 Posted 16/01/2022 at 21:57:05
Dave@193. He wasn’t wanted by the fans, and he wasn’t helped at finch farm, is the conclusion that I’ve drawn myself to. A true story is that an agent not connected to Everton, actually told Benitez, that Everton were in danger of losing two very good young players, not long before Christmas.

Benitez was shocked, and actually didn’t believe the agent, because not one single person had knocked on his door and told him Dobbin, never had long left on his contract, but it turned out the agent was correct.

Hating the manager is one thing, but not helping him out, even for the good of our football club, is why I feel nothing but despair

Paul Hewitt
204 Posted 16/01/2022 at 21:57:56
Let's get things clear. Duncan said he didn't want the job last time, because he probably know we where in for Carlo. He would deffo take it now.
Ian Riley
205 Posted 16/01/2022 at 21:58:12
If potter takes the Everton job and Everton get relegated. Then what? Do we keep potter, will the fans allow that? Will Potter ever get another premiership job again?

Yes Everton is a big job. Successful, your have a statue! Don't and get a lovely pay off!

The next manager now has to get wins. No ifs and buts! This is big pressure and must be able to tell players to work harder. Is this the job for a young and up and coming manager currently? We need more experience now!

The next appointment is the most important in the club's history! It's a crises appointment but not forever. If we are considering Martinez and Ferguson. Sorry no. I want big Sam to come in, get positive results and keep us up! This allows the board to set out a plan of appointing the next manager.

Gut feeling is Martinez has agreed to take over as his name has been mentioned widely! It's back to church and hope the great man can help us again!

Derek Thomas
206 Posted 16/01/2022 at 21:58:29
Martinez?? oh ffs no, has Kendall Mk II taught us...You ! nothing..

Lukaku lightening won't strike twice

Martinez got lucky, he inherited some Moyes pragmatism, landed Lukaku and Barry, then proceeded to philosophise his way to relegation...if you're 3-0 up at home Vs QPR after 60mins and the home fans are booing - you're a deadman walking.

The one (only?) good thing Moshiri has done was to sack him...all down hill from there.

Even Man U. didn't (don't) have a clue about who to hire so went with an end of season temp, albeit a very fancy one.

If the choices are Martinez or Ferguson...well it shouldn't be Martinez.

Just like if the choices are Moshiri or Kenwright.

Least worst option - Ferguson for 19 games...how hard would it be to average 1.1pts per game over 19 games??
Oh and a nice little fist pumping cup run...preferably under lights for the full effect, with us cast as some over achieving lower league side who some how get to the 6th round, but get gallantly defeated.

Meanwhile - all the problems that got us here are still there in the back ground.
Tweedle dum and Tweedle dumber are still pulling at the steering wheel, like Laurel and Hardy.

92 percents not withstanding, while we're on duos and double acts; mystic meg and nostradamus couldn't say who will be in charge come July - on or off the field.

"Plus ca change, plus c'est la meme chose."

Mike Gaynes
207 Posted 16/01/2022 at 21:59:16
I would too, Rob #198. As I've said, it makes zero sense for either side. But given the preponderance of stuff happening that makes zero sense...

One issue I keep bringing up is who's going to handle the rest of our crucial transfer business in the January window. The previous decisionmakers are gone. And the idea that Roberto would be in charge of selecting our incoming talent should scare the living shit out of everybody here.

His previous signings:

Niasse
McGeady
Kone
Alcaraz
Tarashaj
Leandro
Byrne
Eto'o
Robles
Cleverley
Holgate
Macca
Deulofeu
Lennon
Galloway
Funes Mori
Lukaku
Barry
Sambou
Henen
Foulds

...and a couple of keepers we never saw.

In that entire list, two unqualified successes, Rom and Barry. And some legendary catastrophes.

Andy Crooks
208 Posted 16/01/2022 at 22:00:43
Ian Edwards, have you forgotten how utterly toxic the last days of Martinez were and the blessed relief when he was finally fucked off.
Brendan McLaughlin
209 Posted 16/01/2022 at 22:01:48
Hmmm...Roberto's contract with Belgium coming to an end on the back of the World Cup? How to take advantage...looks whistfully into the horizon whilst rhythmically strumming his fingers along his cranium...if only Everton could be that stupid?
Tony Hill
210 Posted 16/01/2022 at 22:06:25
Mike @207, who's your choice?
Will Mabon
211 Posted 16/01/2022 at 22:07:24
Not read this thread yet but have seen mention more than once elsewhere that Martinez never had his chance with money/funds before being sacked. Well it must be remembered, there are no funds for the foreseeable.

I didn't want Martinez to go at the time since we had the new owner and dosh promised. However, should he return it would be to operate in similar circumstances to when he left.

Nick Page
212 Posted 16/01/2022 at 22:10:00
Has to be someone from within the club (so to speak). It's the only thing that has ever worked for Everton, unfortunately (or not).

Please please please just give it to Ferguson so everyone can get behind him and then see where we are. Get it done.

Kunal Desai
213 Posted 16/01/2022 at 22:10:59
Wasn't there protests in the Gwladys Street to remove him?
I would be doing clowns a disservice, as our board wouldn't be classified as these should he return.
Paul Smith
214 Posted 16/01/2022 at 22:14:49
Dave Abrahams that’s shocking if true. It reminds me of that famous analogy by now Lord Howe: it’s like sending a batsman out to the crease only to find his bat has been snapped by his own Captain.
Jay Wood
[BRZ]

215 Posted 16/01/2022 at 22:15:05
Posts on Martinez.

Martin Reppion @ 143:

'All this 'great first season' rubbish that is spouted simply ignores that although we were in the top 3 at Xmas we plummeted in the 2nd half.'

and

Paul Dewhurst @ 93:

'We did not finish the season great but had started well so got away with it, however we never got a run of wins from him after that first 6 months.'

and again @ 189:

'Go check the results after his first 6 months we where God awful.'

I rather think it's you guys who need to do your fact checking on Martinez's results in the 2nd half of his first season when he garnered Everton's record haul of 72 points in the PL for a 5th placed finish.

Our record for the final 12 PL games that season read:

P 12 W 9 D 0 L 3 F 24 A 12 Pts 27 (average: 2.25 points per game)

In that run we put together SEVEN consecutive wins, kept six clean sheets, scored 3 goals in four games, 2 goals in five goals.

The 72 points we won that season would have comfortably seen us qualify for a top four finish in 21 of the 25 PL seasons played with a 38-game season.

No. I don't want Martinez back. Just want to add a bit of truth to an oft-repeated myth that the rot under Martinez already started in the second half of his first season.

It didn't.

Colin Leckey
216 Posted 16/01/2022 at 22:15:58
No, no, no, no, no, no, no!
Justin Doone
217 Posted 16/01/2022 at 22:16:31
Philip at 200 spot on.

We need hard work and graft to do the simple things repeatedly well.

No trying to change our players into Brazil 1970 or Barca 2011 overnight.

We need a good but practical coach and manager, not a style or nice guy.

In reality it's probably a short term manager to steady the ship.

Paul Kernot
218 Posted 16/01/2022 at 22:16:35
Fat Sam it is then. I came home from NZ at Christmas 2017 & saw 3 home games: Swansea - Chelsea - Man U. Won, drew, lost. We were in a far less precarious position than now & brought in a hugely unpopular 'safe pair of hands' to steady the ship to make sure be didn't go down. 4 years later we're back here again or worse. Having read all posts above, I can't say I'd trust any of them. Wouldn't want to be in Moshiri's shoes right now. Imagine him going out for dinner in town!
Alex Gray
219 Posted 16/01/2022 at 22:20:36
I can’t imagine the martitnez possession based football being too effective with michael keane, holgate and goddfrey playing out from the back to Allan….none of which can actually pass a ball to a shirt in blue.

Ferguson/Rooney feel like pandering to the fans and whilst they’ll both be fan favourites, there’s still question marks over experience.

Potter won’t come and even if he did he’d need control which moshiri won’t give him.

I’m hoping whoever gets it can get our misfits playing aggressive football and bring back some pride, get rid of the cowards and make Goodison enjoyable again.

Plus side that’s the end of Paelladyce.

Ted Donnelly
220 Posted 16/01/2022 at 22:20:38
Never go back is what they say in football..especially if you've already been sacked from the club you're going back to..potter will be terrified to come and rightly so.
I feel it has to be a foreigner with massive balls.
Phil Wood
221 Posted 16/01/2022 at 22:22:02
I'm only having Bobby Brown Shoes if he brings the entire Belgium Squad with him.
Brian Murray
222 Posted 16/01/2022 at 22:24:55
If bobby thinks he can make Kean into the next Alcaraz he’s too late. He already is. It would be suicidal to let him near this club again. Bk out
Brian Hennessy
223 Posted 16/01/2022 at 22:25:15
If we are heading down the route of bringing back an ex manager we may as well go the whole hog and hire three ex managers.

Fat Sam can pick and manager our defence, Bobby brown shoes can do the same with the midfield and Dunc can be our forwards manager. I'm joking of course but hey, with the clowns we have running our club anything is possible.

Alex Gray
224 Posted 16/01/2022 at 22:32:54
Just to add another note regarding Martinez. I think it’d be another disaster but those spouting about his rubbish transfers casually forget he brought in lukaku, barry, mccarthy, delefeou and blooded in stones and barkley. The guy had many faults and his last season was painful but the guy still achieved our best points total in the league. People say he had Moyes’ defence but i’d like to point out that under ancelloti we had the best defensive record from set pieces in the league, Rafa took us to the worst in half a year.

The sad thing is id have Martinez over any manager that’s come after him which shows the dismal state we’re in.

Gerry Western
225 Posted 16/01/2022 at 22:33:25
Mike any idea on the net spend on those signings when you factor in the income generated from sales revenue attributed to their sell on value, would it be anywhere close to the 500+ millions flushed down the toilet by his successors. Performance wise in terms of overall value for money how do they compare in regard to European qualification, progression in cup competitions and points tally in premier league. If any thing I'd say given some of the poorer signings on the list Martinez could actually be considered as having overachieved. What he did achieve he did so within the constraints of a shoe string budget and like it or not that's the sort of manager we need right now.
Mike Hughes
226 Posted 16/01/2022 at 22:34:13
It has to be DF.
Martinez could get us relegated and still make it sound like a good thing he’s that full of shit.
He is a relegation manager, with a lousy track record at defending which is our number 1 priority.
He didn’t coach / practice set-pieces as I recall.
These are desperate times if it has come to the likes of him.
No, no (and if anyone is in any doubt) NO, NO, Noooooo etc.
There could be serious damage to my phone, laptop, TV, radio if RM is announced.

(He would also get a massive pay-off for failure.)

Alan Burnham
227 Posted 16/01/2022 at 22:34:19
My God, haven't read such shite since the last press release from 10 Downing Street.

Sorry, not all bad, just read Alex Gray's sensible balanced view.

Sam Hoare
228 Posted 16/01/2022 at 22:36:08
The only thing that is certain is that there is no magic candidate that everyone will agree on!

Will be quite an intriguing process and decision. And will it come before or after we find a DOF?

Potter has already (understandably) distanced himself so my dream of him and Dan Ashworth from Brighton is over. Campos? Monchi? Rangnick?! Zorc? Doubt we'd get any of them. Ramon Planes? Maybe.

Barry Hesketh
229 Posted 16/01/2022 at 22:39:23
I thought that 'Woodison' was a derogatory term used by our fiends from over the park to describe Goodison, but it seems I was wrong as I see its in use by an Evertonian on ToffeeWeb, what next the use of EV instead of Everton?
Barry Hesketh
230 Posted 16/01/2022 at 22:43:48
Mike @206
He also thought that goals scored from corners were statistically unproven or words to that effect, however, the main proponents of scoring goals from corners in the last year or so are Man City, Chelsea, Liverpool and West Ham all of whom are doing pretty well so far this season and did well last season too.
Ian Edwards
231 Posted 16/01/2022 at 22:44:11
Andy 208. Our fans are have become toxic. The fans are a huge problem. Any potential manager will have seen the boos whenever we are losing. The sitting in silence until we score. The toxic social media posts about players and the team. As soon as Martinez is mentioned the toxicity surfaces again on social media. Harsh but true.
Soren Moyer
232 Posted 16/01/2022 at 22:45:00
Campos all they for me. He is available so why not at least talk to him about the possibility of hiring him? He is the best of the lot.

https://sport.optus.com.au/articles/os26285/luis-campos-lille-monaco-transfer-news-juventus-real-madrid#:~:text=Campos%20picked%20up%20where%20he,and%20sold%20for%20big%20money.

Tony Twist
233 Posted 16/01/2022 at 22:45:34
No objections to Martinez if we have a defensive coach come in with him. Might become director of football eventually. Don't care who comes in as long as they are successful. Past worrying about something I have no control over.
Mike Gaynes
234 Posted 16/01/2022 at 22:45:57
Tony #210, actually my first choice would be a longshot that nobody here has EVER mentioned.

Martinez.

Not Roberto. Diego.

What he did at Granada was extraordinary, and he absolutely loves the Prem:
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2021/nov/29/diego-Martinez-i-saw-english-football-and-i-had-to-experience-it

And my second choice would be another guy nobody here has talked about... Nuno.

I hugely respected what he did with Wolves, and people forget how Spurs exploded out of the gate this season with three straight wins. But then they derailed, and not having been the guy they wanted anyway, Nuno was doomed after ten games. But I still think he's a fine manager.

For what it's worth. Nobody considering either as far as I know.

Brian Wilkinson
235 Posted 16/01/2022 at 22:47:43
Kunel@213, those banners came out after the Baines bust up with Martinez, we even had a plane fly over Goodison, with a banner Time to go Roberto.

Alan Myers suggesting should go for Galtier.

Paul Hewitt
236 Posted 16/01/2022 at 22:50:32
I wouldn't mind the Celtic manager.
Bill Gall
237 Posted 16/01/2022 at 22:53:21
Bill Gall
238 Posted 16/01/2022 at 22:53:21
I don't believe that Martinez will not be as bad as a number of supporters are saying. It seems they think that being the manager of one of the top international countries, playing against most other countries who used every different defensive tactics in the book, and some that are not, to stop his team, he has learnt nothing.
Yes he has the choice of some of the best players to choose from but still he picks the team and tactics.
He is experienced in the premier, not always successful, but has worked with a number of good coaches, both offensive and defensive, and maybe the standard at Everton is not up to the standard he is now working with, but he must have learnt from it.
My own choice would be either Rooney or Ferguson working on a temporary contract to be renewed at the end of the season depending on results.

In saying that,, we have enough full international players from different countries that it may need a more experienced manager to get the best out of them, rather than a young manager starting his career. so Martinez may be a good choice if there is no one else available.
Whoever we get lets hope it is someone who will last more than a season. I don't think I could put up with another tragic season.
Mike Gaynes
239 Posted 16/01/2022 at 22:54:20
Gerry #225, no, I didn't look at sell-on value or whatever. I just looked at the value they brought to the team on the pitch. And Roberto is pretty shitty at selecting helpful talent. The fact that his successors also sucked is irrelevant because none of them is a candidate for being brought back on Monday.

Barry #230, I thought Roberto was the worst manager I'd ever seen at defending corners until Silva came along. We couldn't keep out corners under Marco because our defenders didn't jump. They were bent over rolling out red carpets for unmarked attackers. But Roberto's backlines were pretty bad too.

Brian Wilkinson
240 Posted 16/01/2022 at 22:55:24
Mike Nuno sounds like Raffas start, flew out of the blocks 7 points out of 9, then the shit hit the fan, starting with Dom’s injury.

Not sure if I could put up with another stint of tippy tappy sideways football under Roberto.

Barry Hesketh
241 Posted 16/01/2022 at 22:58:32
I wish people would get out of town with this 'Everton fans are toxic' rubbish, I'd write something a lot stronger if it wasn't for this being an open forum where ladies and children might be reading. Have a word with yourself Ian, Everton fans are no different to any other set of supporters, but where they do differ is having an incompetant board of directors and a clueless owner who appoint mainly terrible managers and then allow them to buy useless players for vast sums on astronomical wages on long contracts and many of us as Season Ticket holders have to watch endless, mind-numbing football week in week out, year in year out, with no hope of a place in Europe nevermind a trophy and even worse having to look at other teams playing joined up football., whilst we fret about the possibliity of getting relegated.

If Moshiri and company continue to create mayhem, there wion't be many fans in the ground or on social media for people to blame for the club's demise.

Brent Stephens
242 Posted 16/01/2022 at 22:59:36
Ian #231 "Our fans are have become toxic. The fans are a huge problem. Any potential manager will have seen the boos whenever we are losing. The sitting in silence until we score. The toxic social media posts about players and the team."

So very true. Just look at the continuous negative comments on Live Forum from certain posters. Not mentioning any names, Ian.

Tom Harvey
243 Posted 16/01/2022 at 23:00:52
A big part of me wants Dunc/Bainsey, but I don't think there's a manager out there (including Pep) who could get this lot moving.

The club is toxic at the top and brimming over with nepotism and corruption, the players aren't good enough.

I don't want to see these two decent lads suffer what could be one of the worst events in the clubs history, if the players aren't up for a fight. These two will bravely accept the challenge though.

I think I'd rather see Bobby Brown shoes have a phenomenal second go and tell us in the last day of the season interview how phenomanel the Championship will be next season!

Mike Gaynes
244 Posted 16/01/2022 at 23:01:06
Yep, Brian, but Nuno has Wolves on his resume right before that. He was rolling out successful teams in the Prem while Rafa was winning 30% of his games in the Chinese Dumpling League.
Tony Hill
245 Posted 16/01/2022 at 23:05:18
Interesting on Diego, Mike @234, less sure about Nuno - but I can see a meeting of the wounded between him and us which might not be be unprofitable.
Derek Knox
246 Posted 16/01/2022 at 23:05:28
Mike G, The Chinese Dumpling League ?

Would that be where we we acquired that Dumpling Rondon from ?

I've got it now ! :-)

Keith Harrison
247 Posted 16/01/2022 at 23:05:34
I sent the following email to DBB in June following the usual begging "Renew now" email, which I did not do immediately because the footy under Carlo was terrible at home.

I did not get a reply, but I did ask for Galtier at the time.

Hopefully they can persuade Potter, but heaven forbid Bobby Brown ones.

Dear Denise,
Since the email below was received, there has obviously been a major upheaval at our club, with the departure of Mr Ancelotti.

I appreciate you will probably be bombarded with emails advocating this manager over others, indignation over possible appointments, and general angst from us long-suffering supporters. This email is probably no different, but I hope to at least point out a balanced view from a long standing fan who started the Cumberland Supporters Group in the 1990’s, and who still travels – Govt permitting – a round trip of 300 miles every other week to take up my seat in PE2 at Goodison.

As I see it, Marcel Brands is our Director of Football. The footballing model we should be following is one where Mr Brands, and Mr Brands alone, has the final say on transfers, and identifies what and who we need. We then simply (?) require a coach and motivator to work with the team of players that exist within the club, with incomings and departures being the remit of Mr Brands.

While Carlo Ancelotti was the sexy name that Mr Moshiri seemed to desire, I am not sure that it was the correct appointment in that he had never built a team, or joined a work-in-progress such as us. He - and Benitez - has followed exactly the same path, went to teams with the playing structure already set up in only requiring fine tuning. Everton at the moment needs an engine overhaul. Rafael Benitez will not work. His underwhelming job at Newcastle proves this, and at the first sign of things going wrong, those fans that may have grudgingly accepted him will absolutely turn against him. Nor should we allow to let Bill Kenwright get all misty eyed about getting either David Moyes or Roberto Martinez back. Nuno Espirito Santo does not float my boat to be honest, as his back room staff demands seem to be yet another wholesale upheaval, and a raft of Portuguese players on the books of Jorge Mendes will probably follow suit. We would be starting again from scratch.

Mr Brands obviously had the word on the transfers of Jarrad Branthwaite (lives near me, and I played rugby with his dad), Ben Godfrey, Niels Nkounkou and Moise Kean. These are the players we should be going for, as the first three should become Everton stalwarts for a number of years, and even if we cannot turn Moise into the player we need, we will more than re-coup our expenditure on him.

Virtually every fan in my social media groups and those I speak to are in full agreement with this, and the unanimous choice of our next manager is someone we feel will fit the coaching requirements, and also has a superb eye for young players is Christophe Galtier. Despite his apparent lack of English, in tandem with Duncan, I believe he can be the man to work with Mr Brands to restore this club to our proper position at the top table of English and European football. We will also have a young, vibrant team that can continue even if managerial changes are made in years to come, instead of being left with dead wood older players with no re-sale value which were brought or bought by previous managers.

I’m sorry for the seemingly random rant, and I will be renewing my season ticket regardless, but I think the optimism created if Monsieur Galtier landed would be tangible this season.

Yours faithfully,

Keith Harrison
COYB - NSNO

From: Denise Barrett-Baxendale
Sent: 22 May 2021 10:31
To: Keith Harrison
Subject: A message from Denise Barrett-Baxendale


Dear Keith,

First of all, thank you. Thank you for your ongoing support and the patience you have shown during this most unusual of seasons.

The sight - and sound - of fans back inside Goodison on Wednesday evening was glorious. And, as our manager commented after the game, the role of supporters in providing the team with a vital edge cannot be underestimated.

Victories at the Grand Old Lady have been all too scarce this term – but, when fans have been present, we have a 100 per cent win ratio in the league!!!

It has been a campaign of contradictions - with our disappointing home form in stark contrast to our very impressive record on the road. As a result, the victory secured over Wolves means we go to Manchester City tomorrow with something to play for - with European qualification still possible.

There has been clear progress in Carlo’s first full season in charge. Not only is he one of the most successful managers in the history of the game, he is also the perfect fit for our Club. He embraces our Club’s values and rich history - and has connected with Evertonians. The prospect of his evolving Everton team taking to the field in August with the Goodison roar back at full volume really is something to look forward to – and we do that with optimism and belief.

We have one of the world's finest managers, our exciting new stadium project and, as always, tremendous and unstinting support from our owner and our Chairman.

And we also have a firm belief in the principles of sporting merit which make football a sport in which you can not only dream - but in which you can make your dreams a reality through fair and open competition.

As I have said consistently over the last few weeks, the very real threat to the integrity of our game presented by the European Super League has to be dealt with. And the future of our game must be protected.

When I last wrote to you, I confirmed that, in conjunction with the Everton Fans’ Forum, the Club was embarking on a fan consultation to inform and guide us as we contend with the challenges facing football. We are at a pivotal point in the history of our game and it is vital your views are heard.

The Fans’ Forum has gathered many hundreds of emails and letters from supporters and has also conducted a series of workshops with independent fan groups, including the Everton Shareholders’ Association and representatives from across the network of Everton Supporters’ Clubs. In the coming weeks, I will be meeting with the Fans’ Forum and representatives from across the fanbase to review the findings of the consultation gathered to date. The findings from those workshops will be used to structure a survey that will be distributed to you and tens of thousands of fellow Evertonians next month.

Your input into that survey is vitally important - it is an opportunity to play a part in helping shape and protect the future of our game.

With that in mind, I’m also pleased to share with you that I have been invited to join Tracey Crouch’s Advisory Panel, which will provide expert advice to the Department for Digital, Culture, Media and Sport’s Fan-Led Review of Football Governance.

Rest assured, the voice of Evertonians will be heard. YOUR voice will be heard.

I feel honoured to have been selected to represent Everton and the wider football family and support Tracey Crouch MP and other colleagues as we undertake what is a hugely significant and very important review of our game. I will be proud to share the principles, practices and processes we have developed at our Club, and will take the responsibility of playing a part in driving positive change across the game – and representing you - very seriously.

So, as we prepare to bid farewell to the 2020/21 season, thank you for the role you will play in delivering a brighter future for our game. And thank you for being an Evertonian.

NSNO

Denise


Professor Denise Barrett-Baxendale
MBE, DL, EdD, MBA, BA (Hons), FRSA.
Chief Executive Officer
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Howard Don
248 Posted 16/01/2022 at 23:06:44
Martinez, no just no, can’t stand more seasons of played passing it across the back 20 times before they venture across the half way lane, then running out off steam before 90mins. Totally inflexible with a complete refusal to change his system. At team that can’t defend corners you contemplate bring in a manager on record as saying he doesn’t attach much importance to corners, you couldn’t make it up.
Soren Moyer
249 Posted 16/01/2022 at 23:12:50
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Spot on Alan. Galtier + Luis Campos can't go wrong.

Untitled

Mike Gaynes
250 Posted 16/01/2022 at 23:17:46
Keith #247, well done. Of everyone here, I should have known it would be you who would generate actual communication from the club. Nobody does it better. Superb.

I read Denise's June response twice, and somehow none of it surprised me a bit. I'm sure when she wrote "the voice of Evertonians will be heard"... this weekend isn't what she had in mind.

Sorry about your Galtier dream, but as I've posted here before, from the moment he left Lille, he publicly proclaimed his interest in only one job... Nice. And that, of course, is where he went. He'll never leave France.

Mike Price
251 Posted 16/01/2022 at 23:19:37
The only thing that will stop this team getting relegated this season is the will of a bear pit atmosphere at Goodison. We are a shockingly weak and unbalanced squad with barely any characters of substance…the support is absolutely key to our survival. We just need to stay up this year and yet again, clear out the disgusting amount of dead wood and start again.
If Moshiri didn’t put a limit on the sacking payoff he deserves to pay it out of his own pocket. How many times do you have to be rinsed by these chancers before you put some controls in place!?
Danny Baily
252 Posted 16/01/2022 at 23:24:05
Mike we've taken the first and biggest step towards avoiding the drop in pulling the trigger on Rafa.

He'd lost the dressing room and arguably never had the fans.

Derek Knox
253 Posted 16/01/2022 at 23:24:09
Ooh Keith @ 247, ' a billet doux ' from L'il Miss Dynamite (don't tell Undies), not knocking you by the way my friend, but a placatory reply none the less, probably had advisors (?) to help her with the Football aspects of it's content !

Good shout too on Galtier, who I remember I was hoping we would get some time ago, but the Genius Board opted differently ! Like I have said in my previous posts, the fans (although divided) have a much better idea who we SHOULD get, to move the Club and team in the RIGHT direction, but as long as we have a dysfunctional Board anything could, and sadly most unfavourably will happen.

While I was never a fan of Benitez, and furthermore didn't want him in the first place, it's interesting that Banners have appeared advocating his exit (which have worked) but yet when the 27 / 27 protest was allegedly in force not one that I could see said KENWRIGHT OUT ! (Apart from my own )

Like a new Roller Coaster Ride. Sit tight (white or brown knuckles) nothing that's round the next hidden corner would surprise me tbh.

Jim Brown
254 Posted 16/01/2022 at 23:24:34
Whoever comes it has to be someone we can unite behind, Martinez really isn't that person. First choice for me is DF as interim & then see if we can prise Mr Potter away from Brighton for next season.
James Stewart
255 Posted 16/01/2022 at 23:25:54
The incompetence of Moshiri and the board is mind blowing.

If Martinez is where they go, I'm done. What is the thought process that could possibly lead you there?

Utter idiots.

Joe Digney
256 Posted 16/01/2022 at 23:30:22
Talk of gattuso now from a normally very credible Italian journo on Twitter (not fabrizio)
Looking like the board want a quick appointment rather than taking there time and thinking of an actual plan to move us forward… no shock there then.

Throw it to Rooney. At least if we go down it’s with an ex blue and not an ex kopite 😂

COYB ⚪️🔵

Don Alexander
257 Posted 16/01/2022 at 23:36:53
Just watched MoTD2 and for the first time in my life fully agree with Ian Wright's opinion on Everton's football governance in seeking managers. In short, and to paraphrase, he said we're so far up shit creek without a paddle that we better get used for a good while yet to smelling the stench our owner/board has created at the vastest possible expense.

I suppose it takes a dubiously credible alleged billionaire to install and then breathe life into our new club motto - Nil Satis Nisi Clusterfuck.

And who got him involved with us of course, becoming a mega-millionaire in the process whilst our club plumbs new depths? I'll just let you guess!

Brian Murray
258 Posted 16/01/2022 at 23:42:47
The no doubt planned demonstrations for the manager on Saturday need to be transfixed to the tearful one to make his position untenable. Also without the happy clappers this time ( arsenal game ) booing or shouting abuse to the rest who just want this cancerous selfish bastard gone. Only way we can get out of this.
Tom Harvey
259 Posted 16/01/2022 at 23:43:06
Joe Digney @ 256

"Throw it to Rooney. At least if we go down it’s with an ex blue and not an ex kopite"

Joe, I remember Rooney's behaviour at Allan Ball's memorial game against Man U, he really showed his true colours that day, what a classy lad and true blue!!!

That's a no from me (for what it's worth).

Keith Harrison
260 Posted 16/01/2022 at 23:43:37
Mike (250) and Derek (253). Firstly, hope you are both well guys, long time no speak.

I think you may have misread, DBB's email at the bottom was the first communique to me, my response to her was the one above!! No-one at the club replied addressing my concerns at the choice of manager, and believe you me, I was very restrained in my choice of words for Benitez. The thick skinned imposter still does not believe he personally was at fault for anything this season, and if we re-appoint Bobby, the same thing will happen.
It's maybe the Spanish equivalent of the Gallic shrug?
If Potter won't come now, get Cahill in to assist Dunc - who has his badges - until the end of the season.
If naught else, we'll die with our boots on.

Mike Gaynes
261 Posted 16/01/2022 at 23:46:08
DK #253, "billet doux"... oooooo! You smooth talker!

It wasn't the "genius board" that opted differently on Galtier, it was Galtier himself. In 13 successful years in Ligue 1, he has never entertained an offer to manage in any other league. But of course a fluent Francophile like yourself already knew that, n'est-ce pas?

Barry Hesketh
262 Posted 16/01/2022 at 23:47:07
Brian @258
I believe that the #27 group had planned a sit-in following the Villa match, this was planned prior to Saturday and is as far as I know not related to the Benitez banners which have been on show at Hull and Norwich.
James Kirrane
263 Posted 16/01/2022 at 23:49:15
No No No. Why do we keep going backwards rather than forwards. He failed. Simple.
Mike Gaynes
264 Posted 16/01/2022 at 23:50:16
Keith #260, doing great, my friend.

I did misunderstand. I thought she was replying to you, not the other way around.

I think bringing in Cahill -- who also has all his badges -- to help Ferguson is a capital idea. Tim has a much greater breadth of football experience than Dunc, as well as established international ties.

Dave Downey
265 Posted 16/01/2022 at 23:51:04
What a fucking joke. Might as well employ Edwina Currie as Roberto Martinez. How much longer do the halfwits in charge intend to go on making a virtue of mediocrity.
And why hasn't Ferguson been sacked? He's the first team coach and they can't pass the ball forwards or even to each other. That's some fucking coaching he's doing, training them how to be absolutely fucking shite. Give the job to Currie you bunch of wankers.
Gerry Western
266 Posted 16/01/2022 at 23:53:02
Mike that’s why I referenced value for money linked to performance on the pitch. I believe he achieved as much as could be reasonably have been expected given the financial constraints he had to operate under. When you’ve not got two half pennies to rub together, what names can you reasonably expect to see on that list.

At this point in time we’re deep in the proverbial and facing the similar challenges. I’m not suggesting Martinez is the answer to all our prayers, however he may be the only credible option.

I think it’s time our fanbase got realistic as to who we can attract. The club at this point in time is considered by many in footballing circles to be a huge poison chalice.

There aren’t too many candidates out there who I believe have the belief in their own ability to turn things around given the names of those who’ve already tried and failed and that’s a major problem.

Dale Self
267 Posted 16/01/2022 at 23:53:03
This is going to be phenomenal.
Derek Knox
268 Posted 16/01/2022 at 23:54:15
Don @ 257, Can I have your address please, I think I have the right answer for your Quiz, which I will put in a brown envelope, no postcards, (anyone can read THEM). Oh by the way, what's the Prize ?

I'll settle for a New Board, and forfeit my Prize if that's okay !

John Raftery
269 Posted 16/01/2022 at 00:02:18
That Martinez is even being considered is surprising to say the least. Despite inheriting a solid defence and having the best centre forward we have had in the last thirty years he left the club in a much worse state than when he arrived in 2013. I heard the Belgium FA would be unlikely to stand in his way should he choose to leave. Belgian fans would not be shedding tears although some of our fans might.
Derek Knox
270 Posted 16/01/2022 at 00:04:56
Keith @ 260, It was interesting to note your comment on the earlier post, regarding DBB and in that instance was regarding the Appointment of a New Manager, that no-one, from the Club replied !

Slightly digressing, but last year when I was organising the TW Golf Day, I contacted EITC, I wasn't asking for a lot just a bit of support and maybe a Celebrity to turn up and make it a chance for those participating to meet 'whoever'.

I also asked to borrow a couple of advertising Banners, and I was going to get the Local Press to cover it, and promote EITC into the bargain. Guess what ? Despite 4 or 5 emails, I had no replies whatsoever !

I arrest my case M'Lud !

Mike Gaynes
271 Posted 16/01/2022 at 00:08:25
Garry #266, only credible option? Based on the way his previous tenure ended, and after waltzing Wigan into relegation, I'd say there are few less credible options than Roberto Martinez.

In his last two seasons at Everton, 76 games, his win percentage was 30%. That's even lower than Benitez (31%). It's one of the worst stretches in Everton history. Certainly the worst in recent history. Consider that Koeman and Silva both won 40% of a similar number of games, and they stunk.

Last guy in the world we should be considering.

Paul Dewhurst
272 Posted 16/01/2022 at 00:16:07
It was 8 wins 4 losses in the last 12 = 2 points per game

But the 2nd half of the season was 34 points from 19 games 1.78 point per game Not as awful as I thought but more realistic than your 2.25

I think I am not the only one who needs to do some fact checking pal

In that run we put together SEVEN consecutive wins, kept six clean sheets, scored 3 goals in four games, 2 goals in five goals. We also benefited Own Goals in 3 consecutive games on that run

Arsenal Away Lost
Cardiff Home Win
Swansea Home Win
Newcastle Away Win
Fulham Away Win
Arsenal Home Win
Sunderland Away Win
Crystal Palace Home Lost
Man U Home Won
Southampton Away Lost
Man City Home Lost
Hull City Away Win

The final 12 games the only result that stands out is Arsenal at home

John Malone
273 Posted 17/01/2022 at 00:17:52
If we get him its over for me following Everton how many mistakes are this board going to make!

It’s painful being a supporter of this club how unfortunate can we be Moshiri’s ridiculous tenure is on a par with Ashley’s at Newcastle the only difference he’s spent half a billion!

Unbelievable! Bill Kenwright and Farhad Moshiri need to go! The stadium wont be happening anyway if we go down!

Barry Hesketh
274 Posted 17/01/2022 at 00:20:12
A warning to any potential Everton manager, look out for when Norwich play Everton as pointed out on Twitter:

The curious trend of Norwich ending EFC managerial reigns:
- Kendall 1 - last away game at Norwich.
- Walker - last game Norwich away.
- Royle/Unsy caretakers in May 2016 - last game Norwich at home.
- Silva - last home game Norwich.
- Benitez - last game Norwich away.
Spooky!
Barry Hesketh
275 Posted 17/01/2022 at 00:22:39
We're not Brazilian, our owner's spent half a Billion, where's it gone?
Andrew James
276 Posted 17/01/2022 at 00:25:49
Martinez along with Silva was the one coach we’ve had since Moyes who captured the imagination yet both had an exasperating lack of Plan B.

I would never want Koeman, Ancelotti or Allardyce back yet would consider Martinez.

Yet, if you recall, he didn’t hit the ground running the first time. It took a few matches for the players to get on board. We don’t currently have time for a phenomenal Martinez project. We are not in a good moment.

We need 6 points on the board in the next 4 or 5 games otherwise we are going to be slugging it out with the relegation zone sides until May.

Martinez was prone to the sublime to the ridiculous. We cannot afford the latter at the moment. If we had no league matches and were in a Cup competition then he would be my man but that’s not where we are. Bread and butter points are needed and sharpish.

Mike Gaynes
277 Posted 17/01/2022 at 00:29:53
Barry #274, so since Norwich will be relegated, our next manager just has to keep us up to be certain of keeping his job for at least a year and a half.
Bobby Thomas
278 Posted 17/01/2022 at 00:30:29
It would be a terrible appointment.

We're a soft touch, can't defend and the midfield is vacant. Oh, and those dead balls he doesn't practice.

Can you imagine Michael Keane playing under him? High line, space in behind, full backs miles away.

We're going down under this ownership. Its inevitable.

Andrew James
279 Posted 17/01/2022 at 00:41:12
Being a Devil's Advocate - Martinez could utilise our midfield well as a deep lying playmaker like Gomes could play his style. Like a dynamic Barry. I liked Barry a lot but always feel like Gomes has much more to be coaxed out of him creatively.

I would be stunned if we brought Martinez in. At least it would be an entertaining relegation battle.

He'd get more out of the current set than Benitez but whether it would be enough is the gamble...

David Pearl
280 Posted 17/01/2022 at 00:50:16
Oh please. No no no no waaah waaah.

N
Perhaps not my first choice because of defensive tactics. Can a man change? Evolve? Know where he went wrong and come in fighting from day 1?

We don't know the truth in this. Perhaps it will be till summer which allows him to resume his WC bid with Belgium.

We will see. Beneathus has left the building, with pockets bulging from saved wages from Bernard and James etc.

He will play joined up, front foot, possession football and will coach the kids. And lets get to Wembley.

Tony Byrne
281 Posted 17/01/2022 at 00:51:39
Why oh why are we contemplating this utter fraud Martinez, Mr phenomenal shouldn't be anywhere near our club, he was sacked & paid off handsomely.

Never forget the soul destroying football we played in his final season, playing like city with 34 passes, only to still be on the halfway line with the ball! genuinely some of the most mind numbing football I have witnessed as a blue, & as we all know, we've been served up some fkn dross in these past 30 + years.

The board are an absolute disgrace to the badge & it's loyal fanbase, ineptitude is an understatement. A basket case of a club who look increasingly like QPR before they went down, there is similarities, clueless owner etc.

Give it to fergie, bring in Cahill & let these lads keep us up & revaluate at the end of the season. Regardless of any long term plan, we just need to stay in this league, never ever think that we are too good to go down, this squad is worse than what we had in 1994 & in 1998, just my opinion.

Stephen Smyth
282 Posted 17/01/2022 at 00:56:43
Rooney seriously..several posters he will be loyal to Derby..yea right because he is a true blue.left us us once came back when he was done..wanted to take every free kick..corner and throw in to keep him in the media window. Do you not remember his woeful performance for us when he went back to Old Trafford. The fat waster is getting a free hit at Derby..don't forget he sucked a 150k a week when he had his prodigal return..Will never turn me back on Everton, but Rooney wise up...
Lester Yip
283 Posted 17/01/2022 at 01:04:07
We need a right candidate that would work for at least a few seasons. Don't rush this appointment. Let Ferguson take charge till season end. He would get the fans and the players a performance. Forget about the tactical genius for now. Dog fight is about spirit and determination.

Steve Brown
284 Posted 17/01/2022 at 01:25:42
Reading this thread is why I am keen to appoint an interim manager until the summer. My guess is NO Evertonian trusts Moshiri and the board to conduct a professional search for a top candidate, based on our strategic review (not even completed) or footballing philosophy (no DoF in place to shape it).

The season is already a write-off, so appoint Duncan until the end of the season and focus on hiring an empowered DoF and putting new governance in place. He should then have sole responsibility to decide on the manager hiring.

One thing is for sure. Love or hate Martinez, he would be a divisive choice and we cannot afford that again. No former managers should be considered, because it never works and the fans will fall out over it again.

Soren Moyer
285 Posted 17/01/2022 at 01:35:43
So after he nearly took us down with his sideways, backwards passing boring football, we pay him millions to piss off then after 5 years we want him back!!!!? Think about it.
Remember the humiliation at RS?
NO to Martinez, Bilic, Rooney, DF, Silva, FS, Moyes, Lampard, Sparky, Nuno, HK mk4! etc.
Mark Andersson
286 Posted 17/01/2022 at 01:38:11
Bring back Martinez so he can finish the job he started last time and get us relegated...

No matter who gets the job... we have not got the players to fight off the drop... Rafa was right Everton are a small club...run by small minded egotists...

Ed Prytherch
287 Posted 17/01/2022 at 01:53:47
Hi Keith,
Which Cumbrian RUFC did you play for? Ormskirk had a regular fixture with Kendal when I was there.
Kieran Kinsella
288 Posted 17/01/2022 at 01:58:50
Ian Edwards

“Our fans are toxic”? Is this your confessional after last season’s relentless abuse of Carlo regardless of results along with Darren Hind? How did your dream of getting rid of him work out?

Jamie Crowley
289 Posted 17/01/2022 at 02:47:14
I, and every Crowley son who pays attention, have said we'd be very happy to have BBS back.

All of us have seen Everton's best team and runs under his managerial stewardship, and we all enjoyed the brand of football he brought in the main.

I'd be very concerned with the defending this time around because presently we're a train wreck at the back.

But I'd be squarely behind a man who loves the Club, represents it brilliantly, is seemingly a very nice fella (which I think we need after the last jackass), and would at least play to win and go forward.

I'd also go back into hibernation on TW. There's people on this site absolutely triggered by Roberto. I've no idea why, but its foaming at the mouth, he'll ruin the Club kind of stuff. I just couldn't take the constant stream of vitriol and vinegar all over again.

I'll get right behind Roberto, I love the guy, and I'll dodge the negative juju sure to come his way.

I want Dunc at this moment. It's his time to see if he's "got it" or not. But if he isn't in the mix and we go Roberto Pt II ?

UTFT! Let's go.

Gavin Johnson
290 Posted 17/01/2022 at 03:01:34
Martinez did amazing in his 1st season when he used his attacking principles with the defensive base Moyes left him, but it went out of the window in the 2nd season when he'd fully integrated his philosophy. I supported him until the 3rd season because we always looked like we were in with a sniff for a Cup.

We shipped goals for fun under Martinez so what's the point in bringing in someone like that to ask us to solve our defensive frailties.

Dunc til the end of the season, then Rooney if he keeps Derby up. Otherwise Graham Potter or Moyes in the summer if either of them would come.

Interesting fact on Rooney. Derby have one of the best defensive records in the Championship and have only lost 7 games out of 26 this season.

Jay Wood
[BRZ]

291 Posted 17/01/2022 at 03:16:32
Paul @ 272.

Ahem, 'pal'.

Your list is wrong.

You head it with the loss away to Arsenal in the FA Cup. We drew away to Arsenal in the league 1-1 earlier in the season a few days after the Bryan Oviedo1-0 win over United at Old Trafford. We absolutely schooled Arsenal for most of that game.

The true list is:

H WHU w 1-0
H Cardiff w 2-1
H Swansea w 3-2
A Newcastle w 3-0
A Fulham w 3-1
H Arsenal w 3-0
A Sunderland w 1-0
H Crystal Palace l 2-3 (he tried to get funky with the line up and paid the price)
H Man Utd w 2-0
A Southampton l 0-2 (both own goals against us, as you are adding them to the mix)
H Man City l 2-3 (both at the match and here on TW Blues were booing our goals and cheering City's goals as they preferred to lose the game, rather than see the 'bours win the title. Go figure)
A Hull City w 2-0

So my 2.25 points per game in those 12 games is correct. Calculated over a 38 game season that returns 85-86 points. Title winning form in many seasons, never mind top four form.

Nor can you count very well. We got 37 points from our first 19 games, 35 points from our remaining 19 games. Nothing in it, is there? Certainly not the complete collapse you implied, and most definitely nothing like your earlier claim that 'We did not finish the season great but had started well so got away with it.'

You are simply wrong. You were right on one thing, 'pal.' It was NOT as awful as you thought.

Jack Convery
292 Posted 17/01/2022 at 03:30:24
Every kingdom divided against itself is headed for destruction, and no city or house divided against itself will stand.

Unity comes from the top and EFC are not a unified club. Not by a long chalk. Benitez coming divided fan from fan and fans from the board and owner. It divided the squad too. If BBS turns up, this scenario will repeat its self. I am in the no camp for BBS, for reasons given in many posts above.

For now a temp appointment needs to be made. If its DF so be it. He will get the support of the vast majority of the fans and the players.

I have no idea how many clicks there are at EFC be it behind the scenes or withing the playing staff. There must be quite a few, given how dysfunctional we are. Its obvious to me that BK is the leader of at least one of them. The fact that he appears to undermine Moshiri tells me, that at least one of them will have to go before any type of unity can be restored. Maybe BK now sees Moshiri as an idiot, when it comes to football matters or Moshiri thinks BK is an idiot, for wanting an EFC of his youth back playing the EFC way again, ie the School of Science. Whatever it is, that ails them, it is killing the Old Lady faster than a double dose of cyanide. So please fellas sort it out before its too late.

After the season ends, then get the permanent manager in and fingers crossed we all sing from the same hymn sheet and move the club I love forward at long last.

Don Alexander
293 Posted 17/01/2022 at 03:33:52
We need Roberto Martinez like Europe needs Vladimir Putin, a dangerous lunatic with fantastically deranged ideologies ignoring what people actually need and want.

NO!

Derek Thomas
294 Posted 17/01/2022 at 03:41:22
Martinez is not the man to get you Out of a P19, Pts 19 situation.
He's more likely to be the man who might get you In To it
Darren Hind
295 Posted 17/01/2022 at 04:17:28
Duncan Ferguson would be mad to take on this job.

Last time he stepped in to halt the free fall, he didn't lose a match. He had the crowd buzzing and he moved us up the table, but to listen to some on here, you'd think he killed a priest.

The chalice has been poisoned still further by Carlo, fuckedofflikeathiefinthenightio and Red Rafa instilling spoiling, zombie tactics into the entire team. Half of these players will have forgotten what to do with a football.

Mind you. the thought of " amateur " Duncan stepping in to reintroduce passion and pride and finish higher than these two cowards does give me cause to smile.
Especially when I think of the likes of Kinsella willing him to fail.

Hope to fuck he gets it

Derek Knox
296 Posted 17/01/2022 at 04:24:17
Barry @ 274, Eerily interesting facts, perhaps the next Manager, whoever he may be, should undergo some sort of Nor WITCH Trial ! Come in Matthew Hopkins, a place on the Everton Board awaits you ! :-)
Dan Parker
297 Posted 17/01/2022 at 04:57:58
We’ve got players that can score goals in any system. We need a coach that can organise a defense and bring in the leader at CB we desperately need. The position best placed to take on Coleman’s armband as he nears retirement and lead.
Alan J Thompson
298 Posted 17/01/2022 at 05:04:15
I wouldn't bring any former manager back, yeah, he won the FA Cup with Wigan and they got to polish it for 9 months while playing in the Championship. If as reported, the first thing he's asked for is a long term contract then it would have to be on the basis he repays the compensation he got last time for not being good enough. Appoint somebody until the end of the season when we might then attract a worthwhile full time reputable coach.

Unfortunately, the people who sacked the DoF a few weeks before the failing manager have the task of finding the right man, 8th time lucky?

Kieran Kinsella
299 Posted 17/01/2022 at 05:36:34
Darren

Who says I’m willing him to fail? If Dunc wins I win as I support Everton. If he fails I guess my consolation is that you look like a plonker. Win win?

Derek Knox
300 Posted 17/01/2022 at 05:46:10
Alan @ 298, I don't think second time around works with either Player or Manager, whilst I'm no statistician, I can't think of an example that has been a success. No doubt someone will come on and say Albert Fotheringdale, or whoever, did it, during the gap between the Wars etc.

I would also imagine any Manager whether ambitious or not, would view the Job as a Toxic Teacup or a Poisoned Chalice, and it obviously isn't the easiest one going, although it does pay well. Which I hope the Board, if you can call them a Board (joke really) is to make doubly sure they get the next appointment right.

I don't think any of us will be holding our collective breaths !

Dave Ganley
301 Posted 17/01/2022 at 05:57:00
Its no wonder we are a basket case of a club when the hierarchy are allegedly thinking of bringing Martinez back. Yeah he failed miserably, started the rot in the dressing room, started the mind numbing sideways pointless passing, started the downfall of professional fitness levels and has no idea how to defend, so yeah doesn't it make sense to rehire him when we are in deep shit! Couldn't make this crap up. How out of touch with the fan base do you have to be? We will never get out of this mess while Moshiri and kenwright are at the helm.

What we actually need is someone to bring the fans together, unite the players and bring about a bit of fire and passion. Duncan is the man to do it, certainly in the short term and have a word with Rooney to join at the end of teh season. What he has done at Derby given the problems and lack of investment is remarkable. We could do a lot worse. like rehiring Martinez

Jeff Armstrong
302 Posted 17/01/2022 at 05:58:30
This reeks of Kenwright having one over Moshiri regarding Benitez, he’ll have DBB and Sharp onside even though Sharp knows it’s a mistake, hopefully Usmanov pulls rank on all of them.
Anyone watched Succession? you think that’s fiction, enter our boardroom, sit back, and watch for real.
Marc Hints
303 Posted 17/01/2022 at 06:08:43
If its Martinez I'm done, 40 years of supporting this team. The buyer of Alcaraz, Niasse etc.. couldn't see the problems we were having especially defensively. Constantly saying we were phenomenal when beat. Apparently its Kenwright behind all this appointment. Good job I like rugby too.
Danny O’Neill
304 Posted 17/01/2022 at 06:43:22
I'm not even going to speculate or second guess who I'd want now given the situation we're in.

My opinion is that we're not going to attract anyone decent until the summer so this needs to be a temporary fix.

Martinez? No for me. I was nervous about his appointment first time around. And besides that, I'm very superstitious with football. As much as I'd like a trip to Wembley in May and a trophy, I can just see him repeating the "feat" he achieved at Wigan in his last season there.

Tommy Carter
305 Posted 17/01/2022 at 06:44:59
@281

Tony, the squad in 1998 was atrocious. We were down there because of some really poor players.

The current squad is full of seasoned international players.

In 1998 the team that took to the pitch to save us from relegation had a total of 36 international caps between them. 12 of those belonged to 36 year old Waggy who’d collected the last of his caps 10 years prior.

Tony Everan
306 Posted 17/01/2022 at 06:47:28
Eight years ago Roberto was given a new five year contract with Everton. Bill Kenwright went in to describe him as “the best young manger in Europe.”

He continued to gush,

“There is no magical ingredient to what we do at Everton," he said. "We’re a football club and we recognise the fundamental importance of our manager. And, when we find our man, we empower him.

“We support and provide him with everything at our disposal. We commit to our managers, and we’re immensely pleased that Roberto has committed to us. We want the best because only the best will do.

“Unswervingly, we trust Roberto Martinez to take our club forward. To use one of his favourite words we are ‘excited’ about our future. We have Roberto at the helm. Sólo lo mejor!”

18 months later we were leaking goals and playing mind numbing sideways football. Possession football in our own half until we gave it away and conceded . The fans eventually were so chronically bored with it they forced the issue with his removal. There were three years of his new contract left to pay.

So what’s changed ? He’s a bit older and wiser maybe but does his job with Belgium pass the “Nan factor” ? Ie Anyone’s Nan could manage Belgium, with their superstar squad, to do well in a tournament. He’s done little more there than was reasonably expected.

So Bill’s voice is still the loudest in the boardroom. He’s won the power struggle to get Moshiri’s ear, and we are back to square one.

All of which makes me feel completely despondent, if it was possible to give up I would, but it’s not, on we go. Our fans are the best and maybe the most committed in in the country, warriors led by donkeys. All deserve better, especially our unrivalled away support.

Ironically, the situation is better than square minus one which is where we were with Benitez’s increasingly erratic selections. And maybe Martinez is promising it’s nailed on that he can bring two or three quality players to the club if appointed.

Talk about clutching at straws!, but I’m searching for some hope here.

Alan J Thompson
307 Posted 17/01/2022 at 06:50:37
Derek(#300); More in humour and desperation than hope, but if we HAD to appoint someone from within, been here before and/or an ex-player then I would appoint Duncan Ferguson and bring Colin Harvey back as his assistant. It partly worked some time ago.
Just off for a tablet and a lie down.
Eddie Hughes
308 Posted 17/01/2022 at 06:52:23
It's a big NO from me for Roberto Martinez to return, this next appointment has to be the right one, hope the board take there time and do not panic, give Big Duncs it for a couple of months, Surely someone from EFC read ToffeeWeb and know how against Martinezes return most are, like FSW he wont be given time, 1st run of bad games he will be hounded out and the search for a new manager starts again. 7 managers in 6 years does not breed stabality.
Dave Evans
309 Posted 17/01/2022 at 06:55:29
I would just like to announce if it's Martinez I am not done.
If it is Dyche I am not done. If it is Rooney or Lampard I'm not done. If it is Potter I'm not done.

Even if they employ some boring old 'experienced' safety- first has been, I'm not done.

If I had the chance to watch a game anytime, anywhere I would. Even at the expence of seeing friends and family. I see them the other 6 and a half days a week. They sometimes console me.

I don't know how it came to this. But I'm not done.

P.S. I was dragged to watch Bath play rugby once. It was like watching the hippos at Chester zoo. Funny for a time with the yokels and great for the arl fellers with caps and the kids. But ultimately boring. Not an event for me.

So, yet again, I announce to the world. I am not done. Never will be.

I'm not done.

Kunal Desai
310 Posted 17/01/2022 at 07:17:58
Get those banners up again.

Get those planes flying above Goodison.

"Kenwright & Moshiri get out of our club."

Marc Hints
311 Posted 17/01/2022 at 07:18:07
Well done Dave, Everton does not deserve a fan like you and I admire that your not done
Bill Rodgers
312 Posted 17/01/2022 at 07:18:22
Martinez would be mad to come back here. But the money may turn his head. So his only chance is to clear out Finch farm, get the dinosaurs off that bench and start with his own team.
Dave Evans
313 Posted 17/01/2022 at 07:22:50
Ferguson, with help, until the end of the season. Rooney in the summer.
No more 'experienced' grandads who can't run on the training ground or relate to the players.
Ernie Baywood
314 Posted 17/01/2022 at 07:23:53
Kunal 310 - I think that one really is a case of 'be careful what you wish for'.
Andy Walker
315 Posted 17/01/2022 at 07:24:36
Martinez was a poor appointment first time. Second time would be total madness.

There’s no solution when the problem is the bloke with all the money. We are doomed.

Rooney with Ferguson will at least get most of the fans onside, but that’s about it.

Fran Mitchell
316 Posted 17/01/2022 at 07:29:14
Second time arond:

Moyes is doing pretty well.
Ancelotti is doing alright.
Allegri is improving Juve

I'm not in favour of this appointment, but it's not a write off cause of 'second time around'.


Christine Foster
317 Posted 17/01/2022 at 07:29:48
Listen up. We have just had the worst manager we could have imagined for any reason you can think of. Tactics? Man management? Game plan? Recruitment? Charisma? Likeability? Arrogance? Any other measure you can think of.
Anyone is an improvement, No-one comes without baggage or shortcomings. No-one is or has been as collectively bad as Benitez.
I think Ferguson is a great short term fix. Not so sure long term. Martinez got us playing good football with player much inferior than we have today, but the problem of getting rid of 6/7 deadwood still needs to happen no matter who is there.
Good managers who provide good motivation create good environments where players can perform. The exact opposite of Benitez. That's what Martinez is, the polar opposite.
Keith Harrison
318 Posted 17/01/2022 at 07:32:46
Ed (287) Aspatria, and later Netherhall.
Dave (309), a thinly veiled dig at Marc Hints (303) post. If you watched recent Rugby since it went professional, especially the European cup matches over the weekend, you'd see athletes who give absolutely everything on the pitch for a pittance of what some of the dross in football both give to their club, and receive in payment from them.
If Martinez comes back, I probably am done. He painstakingly turned a very good squad into a mind-numbing bore-fest of a team, phenomenally so if I recall correctly, without a clue he was doing wrong. He brought in mainly underperforming dross as if he were still at Wigan, and even though he did hit the mark with Lukaku, even a broken clock is right twice a day!
Each to their own, I'll carry on watching my grandson play footy, and son play rugby, and even dust the rods down for some pike-bashing too.
My Park End ST will be available if BBS comes back, as after attending the Wimbledon and Coventry games previously, I couldn't bear the 'third time lucky' scenario when our top flight status goes.
Ernie Baywood
319 Posted 17/01/2022 at 07:33:40
The way I see it managers fall into the following categories.

1. Proven World Class - They're not coming.
2. Proven PL Level - They'd be mad to come to this basket case club.
3. Proven PL Merry Go Rounders - we'd be silly to take them
4. Unproven but with relevant experience at a high level - your Arteta, Lampard or even Ferguson type appointment.
5. Promising at a lower level - example when we nabbed Moyes, or maybe even stretches to a Rooney.

To me, it's category 4 or 5 all the way. I don't just want someone else's failures. If we were looking for a player we'd try to identify talent. So let's do that with the manager.

Figure out what we want in a manager and then scour poorer leagues looking for the right fit.

There are a couple of blokes with blue blood in those categories. Great, if they tick the rest of the boxes, but they shouldn't get the job solely on account of their Everton support.

John Graham
320 Posted 17/01/2022 at 07:34:01
Got to take a chance with Rooney.
Martinez was found out after the first season and is getting found out again now with Belgium.
Lampard hadn’t a clue at Chelsea and only did okay at Derby due to the Chelsea loan players.
Not many other options with the position we are in and relegation staring at us.
Not in the jobs for ex players camp but can’t really see any better options
COYB
Marc Hints
321 Posted 17/01/2022 at 07:38:38
#Christine

Good points there but as you can remember Martinez was worse than any other manager in how to teach defending.

We are in a relegartion battle now I am afraid and no time for pretty tippy tappy football that all Martinez will want to do.

We need Ferguson now until we find the right appointment, as Alan Myers is saying prefered choice of many is Christophe Gautier who is doing wanders at Nice and also did wanders at Lille.

Either that or Rooney but obviously with Rooney he does not have the experience

Andy Walker
322 Posted 17/01/2022 at 07:41:00
Martinez EPL experience prior to what he did to us, was to relegate his previous Wigan team. I was against his appointment from day 1 last time and words fail me if he’s invited to take charge again. Moshiri is the guy we should be protesting against. He’s overseen a total shambles of internal mismanagement. Let’s have a DOF model, then get rid of this model to satisfy a new manager, then a few weeks later let’s sack that manager. Now repeat the mistake in 2022, so let’s have yet another new DOF…. around we go….. until we are relegated.
Derek Thomas
323 Posted 17/01/2022 at 07:41:20
..."The Board" ? DBB, Sharp and erm Mr W. Kenwright...oh goody.

Bill; See, told you, should've listened to your Uncle Bill.
Moshiri; ok smart arse, you pick this time, I'm done. (if only it were true.)

Ferguson should be able to beat or at least equal 1Point per game, hopefully.
And 38pts should be enough, especially if we can get some new coach bounce.

We're reduced to this.

Andy Mead
324 Posted 17/01/2022 at 07:51:29
As stated above, now is not the time for the lines of Martinez. His downfall here was his lack of defensive organisation and that's the last thing we need. He has done well with Belgium but with respect, they have an amazing pool of talent and are drawn in easy qualifying groups. It's hard for them to fail. But every time they play a decent team they struggle to defend properly. We (Wales) always do well against them because we attack them, and there is Martinez' weakness. Anyway, I think it's only paper talk.
If it is to be an "outsider" then I thought Lampard was unlucky at Chelsea and bringing youngsters through is what we need long term to compete. If Ferguson dosnt get it now, I don't see the point in him hanging around. He's been assistant for years to various managers. What's the point of this if he's to be overlooked again?
If the club thinks he's too close to the players then he should be realeased to? In truth I just don't trust Moshuri to get it right again. His track record is appaling. What's the odds on Mike Walker coming back?
Phil Wood
325 Posted 17/01/2022 at 08:06:38
Derek 323 don't think it is fair to automatically insult an Everton great in Sharpy on a whim.
Give him a break please.
Peter Mills
326 Posted 17/01/2022 at 08:07:27
A very brief period of relief upon hearing of the departure of Sr Benitez, before it is displaced by a feeling of gloom at the thought of the return of Sr Martinez.

The expression “That’s pissed on your chips” springs to mind.

David Bromwell
327 Posted 17/01/2022 at 08:09:58
Surely not Martinez, cannot anyone on the Board see that he was tried before and was a miserable failure. In these dire circumstances we have to try and unite the Club, by appointing someone on a temporary or permanent basis who the players and fans will respect and get behind.

Another risky Benitez appointment will lead to serious fan unrest and likely result in relegation. I despair, and remember the late Jimmy Greaves saying that " football was a simple game " sadly he wasn't talking about Everton.

Eric Myles
328 Posted 17/01/2022 at 08:12:07
What a Manager!
Ian Jones
329 Posted 17/01/2022 at 08:13:14
Keith @318

More than happy to take on your season ticket.

Tony Abrahams
330 Posted 17/01/2022 at 08:17:27
Ken@199, I backed Benitez because I thought he just might be the man to get rid of the nepotism and cronyism that’s existed throughout the whole Bill Kenwright regime, mate.

If Rooney comes, I don’t believe he will have any real affection for Kenwright, but I’d expect Duncan to stay on as our first team coach once again. I believe the club is going nowhere fast so why not give it to Ferguson now and let’s see what he can do.

Honestly that’s where it’s at for me right now, and after trying everything else, and I mean nearly everything, (except the most fucking obvious) then let’s see the club rise or fall, with a man who is an Everton legend to many, and a man who never got the most out of himself because of a lack of professionalism, to the rest of us.

Derek Thomas
331 Posted 17/01/2022 at 08:18:16
Phil @ 325; I not insulting Sharp...I'm blaming Kenwright. This Martinez thing has his tear stained finger prints all over it.

It won't be a decisive as Benitez, but not by much, but it's just plain wrong.

Paul Cherrington
332 Posted 17/01/2022 at 08:30:43
Will the club ever learn from their mistakes when it comes to managerial appointments?! Martinez was sacked not too long ago because the team were a soft touch and he couldn't get them motivated.

Why would he suddenly be any better now? Plus he would be another divisive appointment (like Benitez and Allardyce). We need someone who the vast majority will get behind.

There is no way Martinez would get a tune out of this current squad as he is too laid-back. This batch of players need someone who they truly respect and who frightens them enough to put in consistent performances!

Only one person for me – Big Dunc. He is direct enough and tough enough to get through to this lot and get them putting some effort in. Give it to the big man! Look at the effect he had last time he was in the hot seat and not an assistant with his hands tied.

Conor McCourt
333 Posted 17/01/2022 at 08:40:35
Christine@317- excellent post. I agree with you he would be perfect for the situation right now and it would I believe be great for Roberto to dismiss the lazy notion that his success was built on Moyes defence.

However judging by fan reaction on here I am being won over by Steve Browns point that we need a unified fan base and for that reason it's probably best to side with Big Dunc so everyone will put together.

I really thought there would be less hostility and a little reflection on Roberto's time here with what has prevailed since, even a so called World Class Manager struggled, and for what he has continued to do in his career (arguably Wigans greatest manager, undeniably Swanseas and Belgiums greatest ever manager and statistically fourth best on our list).

But when posters have told you he has failed with Belgium because they didn't win the Euros with defenders like they have, you just know he will never be accepted. When posters keep reminding that he got relegated once in his career despite his impressive CV and winning the FA Cup with a minnow like Wigan (no other since Portsmouth in decades) and getting Everton to two semi finals in a season. To put that achievement in context Man City hadn't done that until 2018 even with all their resources.

Mike Hughes
334 Posted 17/01/2022 at 08:41:18
Towards the end of his tenure and after another defeat, I remember a post-match interview with RM.

He said something like, “We don’t worry about results. We worry about performance.”

Well, it is only about RESULTS now.
Scrappy, jammy 1-0 wins will do for me. I don’t care about stringing 105 passes together - it is flattering to deceive without an end product.

Please NOT Martinez.

Dave Williams
336 Posted 17/01/2022 at 09:17:50
He will have undoubtedly matured as a man and a manager since he left us and hopefully his naivety concerning defence will have gone.
Does seem one hell of a risk to me and at this time I think we need to unite the fan base and not split it any further.
There must be serious doubts concerning Duncan at board/ owner level and I think we need a strong personality to turn things around. Not a lot to choose from but because I think we need someone currently familiar with English football I’d go for Rooney with absolutely no faith whatsoever that it is the correct appointment.
Christopher Timmins
337 Posted 17/01/2022 at 09:24:48
Duncan until the summer, if an absolute success then give him a long term contract, if not then go and get the Nice manager.

Whatever we do at this stage the is a risk involved but let's not do something that increases the risk level and unfortunately bringing back Roberto does that. How could any sane manager who has a realistic chance of winning the World Cup in December jump ship and come and manage us with all our problems. He did not have the know how to solve our defensive problems during his first term and given our current issues at the back I cannot see how he could sort things out now.

Our former manager was gracious in his statement last night and I am sure he could not believe the problems he faced when he got his feet under the table. He did not help himself in recent weeks but he did leave us Gray and Townsend and I am grateful for that.

Christine Foster
338 Posted 17/01/2022 at 09:25:46
So I ask, what is the realistic measure of the manager you want? From where we are now, where do you think a good result will be in 3 seasons time?
Do we really think there are world class managers lining up to interview? Do we really think there are managers who believe they can make a name for themselves when two, allegedly world class managers failed? Do we think that Kenwrights in basket has 20 applications? 10? Maybe 5?
Or do we think, bargepole.. plague, graveyard of managers..
So best of the rest. No old timers need apply. Whittling down applicants? South Americans? Not going to happen, top league managers Europe? Nope?poison chalice..
That leaves those who love the club, ex players, ex managers. Martinez has most experience, Ferguson most passion, Rooney most love. Combine any two of three...
Otherwise it will be Martinez. But this is Everton, so it's probably someone we haven't heard of...
Ken Kneale
339 Posted 17/01/2022 at 09:26:18
Tony - thanks - I do get that - we don't seem to have any particularly palatable options given our boardroom incompetence over the last 30 years. DF is not a legend in my mind and I do think he has been two-faced within FF to last so long but I could easily forgive all sins if he maintained our top-flight status till May.

I agree with the poster yesterday (I think it was Andy C) who said this squad is the most disconnected from the fan base they had known. Any manager who can turn that sad situation around gets my fulsome support

Jim Potter
340 Posted 17/01/2022 at 09:27:23
'Phenomenally' nice guy who had a great first season and thereafter played possession obsessed football that bored the pants off us. Sideways, sideways, back.

Roberto destroyed a sound defence within a season. We are now in a relegation battle that requires building a functioning back four - he is not the man.

In his favour I think he 'got' the ethos of our club and fell in love with it. But that's not enough.

Duncan and Bainsey for the rest of the season. Then make a decision.

Moshiri should play no part in footballing decisions, only accounting ones - and even then, given our horrendous financial circumstances, I doubt him on that too.

What a time to be without a Director of Football. A guy who was never allowed to do the job he was brought in for. Always overuled by the whims of a clueless billionaire.

A sad, sad joke.

Keith Harrison
341 Posted 17/01/2022 at 09:28:16
Ian (329) if they get Martinez in, I'll be in touch.
I've only been twice so far this season because of that other Spanish idiot, so my £565 outlay is mostly written off already.
Clive Rogers
342 Posted 17/01/2022 at 09:29:16
If this clown is appointed again, that is me finished.
Neil Lawson
343 Posted 17/01/2022 at 09:34:53
Is there any hope that the club are monitoring the various fan sites etc ? Reaction is overwhelmingly in one direction against Martinez.
To appoint him now would be nearly as devisive as Benitez.
It is just plain madness and I really can not comprehend how intelligent men and women could ever contemplate it. I was so looking forward to the cauldron that would be Goodison on Saturday. Now I feel utterly despondent and dispirited.
Peter Carpenter
344 Posted 17/01/2022 at 09:36:53
How do we stop this madness?
Benjamin Dyke
345 Posted 17/01/2022 at 09:38:50
I despair if they're actually talking to the Belgian FA as has been mooted. If he couldn't fix our defence then, how can he now? Yes the first season was great but we're in a different place now.
I've got no idea who could come in and sort this mess out. Our squad is OK, could do with midfield reinforcements but the job's a poisoned chalice now. I suspect we'll settle for interim managers like Dunc and Babies with a decision made in the summer. I long for the stability of the Moyes era, and yes I know we'd hit a glass ceiling and rarely beat the top 6 but we had an identity and spirit and it felt like Everton. We've gone backwards since Moyes left and thrown millions at it on the way. Tragic!
Iain Latchford
347 Posted 17/01/2022 at 09:48:25
Alan Myers saying it looks unlikely as the Belgian FA want to hold onto him until the after the World Cup. Martinez is apparently up for it. Probably because it guarantees him about £20m even if it goes tits up, which it most likely would.
Gerry Western
349 Posted 17/01/2022 at 09:50:10
Mike I didn’t say he was our only credible option I said he may be our only credible option as I’ve not seen a list of proposed candidates under consideration hence I’m not able to arrive at that conclusion as yet.

Thanks for the statistical breakdowns though I’m not sure they bring any clarity to the discussion. You’ve chosen to ignore the figures for Martinez’s first season in charge, as a result it’s like attempting to compare apples with oranges and totally skews the comparisons drawn even though you say you’ve used the figures for comparison as they are for similar seasons.

Koeman and Silva managed to last approximately one full season equivalent in games terms. I would have thought it would have been more appropriate to have compared these with Martinez first season results as opposed to his last two or perhaps an overall average. In his first season Martinez recorded 21 wins from a possible 38 games (55%) easily outstripping his successors and almost double that achieved by Benitez.

Added to this Koeman alone spent upwards of 150+m during his spell in charge and the others were heavily backed in the transfer market. I’m guessing one would expect some degree of correlation between spend and performance so hardly surprising, though not in the case of EFC.

We can all be guilty of choosing to use stats which we feel support our own particular narrative, none of us are alone in that respect. You clearly are not a fan of Martinez I get that. However, I believe he served up a brand of football I’d not seen since the mid 1980’s and still wonder what he may have achieved if he’d received any thing like the financial backing of his successors. Your focus is on how his tenure ended my point is if he’d been given the financial backing it may well have ended very differently.

Rob Halligan
350 Posted 17/01/2022 at 09:51:40
Well SSN are saying the Belgium FA will reject any approach by Everton for Martinez. So you can all put your defibrillators away.
Raymond Fox
351 Posted 17/01/2022 at 09:52:01
I was Martinez biggest supporter but my advice to him would be steer clear, the job is a poison chalice.

I've said it till I'm blue in the face, our problem is we cant get a really top player to sign for us, or if we produce one they want to join one of the Champion League clubs.
The players we sign are second tier, the players the top teams don't want.

How do you expect to break into anything with inferior players.
Changing the manager doesn't really change anything.

Richard Richard
352 Posted 17/01/2022 at 09:52:41
Christophe Galtier - if we can get him. Jim Ratcliffe may not be everyone's cuddly bear, but he is a shrewd businessman who knows who to appoint (and where to invest) to get good jobs done. So, could Moshiri outmuscle Radcliffe in a fight for one of the Ineos' empire's crown jewels? I doubt it, but at least worth a try.
James Marshall
353 Posted 17/01/2022 at 09:53:50
If you take off your blue tinted glasses, I don't see why any manager already in a job would down tools to come and work for us. We're a mess. The whole world can see the mess so why someone like Graham Potter would want to join Everton is way beyond my comprehension.

I can't think of one good reason to manage Everton at the moment, which is why it'll be Duncan in the short term, possibly medium term and then who knows. Even Rooney surely won't leave Derby to come to us now - that would be him 'doing a Lampard' ala Chelsea and joining us for no other reason than sentiment.

Rooney knows if he keeps doing well at Derby he'll get his chance at Everton down the line - more likely when we're in the new ground than floundering at Woodison.

Nuno is a maybe I spose, but again, why take up a poisoned chalice?

Alan Johnson
354 Posted 17/01/2022 at 09:53:57
Can't believe this
Bringing Martinez back is sheer madness
This owner is a nutcase...
Clive Rogers
355 Posted 17/01/2022 at 10:02:06
This has Kenwright written all over it. He never wanted him sacked at the time. He proved to be a dreadful manager. His team couldn’t defend, weren’t fit and the players were complaining about poor training. Baines was silenced by Martinez for speaking out. This would be a dreadful appointment, far worse than Benitez and could well be the end of Everton as we know it. We would go the way of Sheffield Wednesday.
Nick Page
356 Posted 17/01/2022 at 10:03:27
Proper long shot but does anyone know any way whatsoever how we can contact Moshiri en masse and let our general feelings over this madness be known? Social media anything?? Because this is just desperate now. Something... anything has to be done.
Marc Hints
357 Posted 17/01/2022 at 10:05:09
Looks like Belgium won't let him go and want him to lead them to the world cup in November!

As someone just said on twitter (which made me laugh) was lets have Martinez now as he will probably be sacked by November so he can still take Belgium to the world cup

Clive Rogers
358 Posted 17/01/2022 at 10:06:22
This has got to be stopped somehow.
Peter Carpenter
360 Posted 17/01/2022 at 10:10:04
Sounds like all hopes rest with Belgian FA. Help!
Dan Nulty
361 Posted 17/01/2022 at 10:24:45
Typical Everton luck that we are the only club who gets a billionaire owner who is clueless and seemingly does no homework on managers or signings. All the signings we have had and pretty much everyone has flopped. Bonkers.
Mal van Schaick
362 Posted 17/01/2022 at 10:24:56
Not this yapper, who doesn’t make any sense at all. Give it to Dunc.
Mal van Schaick
363 Posted 17/01/2022 at 10:24:58
Not this yapper, who doesn’t make any sense at all. Give it to Dunc.
James Marshall
364 Posted 17/01/2022 at 10:26:05
Martinez is not going to leave the Belgium job ahead of the world cup so I wouldn't lose any sleep over that. Why would he just jack it all in, leave his role, move his family and join our shit show again? It makes zero sense for us, him or Belgium.

Seems entirely like paper-talk to me

Gerry Western
365 Posted 17/01/2022 at 10:31:59
Conor 333, totally agree, you've summed it up perfectly. All sense reasoning has gone. Up to now I've not been overly concerned for the future of our club but I'm beginning to think differently now. Normally time affords a period of reflection, not in the case of EFC sadly. I wish Ferguson luck if he takes over however its going to take huge motivational skills and immense tactical acumen if he's not to become yet another casualty through the revolving door.
Dave Evans
366 Posted 17/01/2022 at 10:34:28
Keith Harrison 318
If people watched sport because of the virtue of the players rugby could be the number one, mass spectator sport. They don't and it isn't. I will leave you to grasp the reasons why.

You indicate you picked up the irony of my 309 post. Well not enough. In more transparent language. Spare the rest the sanctimony and flaunted grand exit. Just go.

Enjoy the fishing and rugby. Pipe and slippers available at Marks.

Short term, it's Ferguson with help for me. To galvanise the fans and perhaps get some fun back into it. Maybe Rooney in the summer. But no more old, 'experienced' has-beens who can no longer run or relate to young players.


Peter Carpenter
367 Posted 17/01/2022 at 10:40:35
Now that we are officially in the relegation scrap, how about making a move for a proven goalscoring midfielder who will be out of contract soon and won't have far to travel? Do something useful, Graeme Sharp.
Alan McGuffog
368 Posted 17/01/2022 at 10:46:05
Peter how long have you been a blue ? Goal scoring midfielder indeed. What we need is another right footed left winger and a right back who can play left back. Who we can then leave on the bench.
Brian Acheson
369 Posted 17/01/2022 at 10:47:21
In years to come this club will be taught as a case study.
"How to take a golden opportunity (new billionaire owner) and completely squander it".
Give DF the job until the summer. That'll settle the argument about whether he's the right choice one way or the other.
If we survive, make a decision on Duncan. If he's shown he can be the solution, fine. If not, let's go back to the up-and-coming (Moyes) model and go and get Steve Cooper from Forest.
Marc Hints
370 Posted 17/01/2022 at 10:48:09
This is certainly ready for an Amazon all or nothing series
Mark Ryan
371 Posted 17/01/2022 at 10:49:08
Our days of being able to bankroll an Ancellotti arrival or support the likes of Koeman and the monies he demanded are currently not there for us due to FFP rules it would seem and so we have gone from spending half a billion on aging has-beens to being cash-strapped Everton again.
Give it to Dunc with some support and start afresh. He's not my ideal pick if I'm honest but we are strapped financially. Over the Summer get in a proper team and I mean a proper manager, not Rooney, not Martinez, don't go back in for Moyes, get a youngish astute manager and get a player recruitment lead into the club.
Start afresh but please leave Rooney out of the equation. Let him go to Utd in due course. He was once a blue, that is it, once
Terry Downes
372 Posted 17/01/2022 at 10:50:47
In fairness to Martinez he did buy some good really good players albeit not Kone or Alcatraz if he came with a good defensive coach it wouldn’t be impossible to see us doing well under him.
Peter Carpenter
373 Posted 17/01/2022 at 10:51:23
And Rondon in the number 10 role. In terms of doing what your opponent least expects, it was genius.
Denis Hignett
374 Posted 17/01/2022 at 10:54:42
Important the club takes their time over the next appointment.
They can't keep wasting money on losers. No need to make the decision this week.
Having said that, watched Villa against United and it will a tough game at the weekend - whoever is in charge.
Robert Tressell
375 Posted 17/01/2022 at 10:55:18
Brian @369. It'd be funny if it wasn't so tragic.

I am working on the basis that whoever comes in will give us a short term lift and the few wins necessary to stay up.

Can't bring myself to see it any other way.

Could you imagine us getting to this position from where we were at the end of Silva's first season?

Stale Haverstadlokken
376 Posted 17/01/2022 at 10:56:30
What about paring Rooney & Ferguson?
Tony Everan
377 Posted 17/01/2022 at 10:57:47
Agree Terry, terrible Rondonesque signings ; the former was bad and there’s no escaping from the latter.
Karl Masters
378 Posted 17/01/2022 at 10:57:48
Rooney and Ferguson would shake it up
Karl Masters
379 Posted 17/01/2022 at 11:00:01
In a good way
James Lauwervine
380 Posted 17/01/2022 at 11:03:04
Now that Benitez is gone I can engage with the world of Everton again. Moshiri has shown himself to be incompetent in choosing managers up to now. Hiring back the first manager you fired wouldn't be incompetent, it would be fucking mental.
Andrew Ellams
381 Posted 17/01/2022 at 11:06:46
Lots of lazy journo talk going on as per usual. I'm amazed none of them added Solskjaer to their own made up short lists.
Sam Hoare
382 Posted 17/01/2022 at 11:08:33
Rooney and Ferguson might do a decent job in the short term. But i'd prefer if possible to find someone who could stay here for a while or else we are having to start all over again this summer. These players have been shunted from manager to manager with no consistency of system, formation or philosophy whatsoever. Of course they are not blameless but whoever is going to improve us is going to have a lot of bad habits and mixed learning to undo.

Surprisingly I find myself gently lukewarming to the idea of Martinez, who I really was sick of by his third season. Maybe it's just morbid curiosity. Any chance we could pair him with Davide Ancelotti?! That could be a good combo!

If we were to wait for the summer who would be the target that would be available then but not now? Perhaps it makes more sense but I never love the idea of interim managers. In short, I'm very confused!

Alan Johnson
383 Posted 17/01/2022 at 11:08:54
Nick #356 that's a great shout. Hope someone knows a way to contact Moshiri.
Andrew Ellams
385 Posted 17/01/2022 at 11:19:30
Do we know if the David Weir story was true regarding him coming in as defensive coach or just a rumour? If we had somebody like that in place it might negate some of the issues that Martinez had at the end of his last spell.
Anthony Dove
386 Posted 17/01/2022 at 11:21:24
Can someone organise an urgent vote on TW on BBS yes or no.
It would probably be 90- 10 against. The 10 would probably vote for Ant and Dec if they could.
Brian Williams
387 Posted 17/01/2022 at 11:24:44
I think this appointment has to be approached from the angle of a risk assessment.
There's obviously a huge risk involved with anybody that's hired but the club needs to look at the basis of those risks and minimize them wherever possible.
To me, without TOO much in depth thought, the biggest risk is somebody having to come in and start all over again from scratch halfway through a season. Someone who's not going to be familiar with the players or the setup.
With that in mind the most obvious way to reduce that risk is to have someone take over (in the interim) who DOES know the players and DOES know the setup. Someone who can hit the ground running if you like.
There are four names that come to mind (my mind admittedly).
Those are, naturally, Duncan Ferguson, then there's David Unsworth, Leighton Baines, and a bit of a left field (contradiction in terms this one in a way if you think about it) Seamus Coleman.
Ferguson is the natural "first choice" with one of the others as support, IMHO.
I think he starts with an advantage over any outsider hired and it's maybe time to see if Duncan can do it for a sustained period of time and progress (or not) to being a fulltime appointment.
I honestly DON'T believe he could do any worse than our recently sacked manager.
In my mind if he gets the results that keep us clear of the bottom three he'll have done his job. He'll also have had half a season for the powers that be to have a good look at him, and any other candidates.
We'd certainly find out once and for all if Big Dunc has what it takes.
Bjoern Haall
388 Posted 17/01/2022 at 11:33:56
If it’s not Kasper Hjulmand or Marcelo Gallardo I will take a pause from Everton. At least for a couple of days. And I feel sorry for Digne.
Keith Harrison
389 Posted 17/01/2022 at 11:36:40
Dave E (366). I watch sport because I enjoy it. I don't enjoy our footy under Beneathus, and didn't at the end of Roberto's tenure. I also enjoy people of limited ability who give their all. You had a dig at Rugby, I responded, but as I said, each to their own.
My managerial preference would be Potter, but this is unlikely. Duncan and Leighton Baines may be the best shout as temps to steady the ship, but you stated you would "not be done" whoever comes in. Fair play to all who blindly follow, but at almost £75 a time - excluding my ST costs - if I feel short changed on the entertainment side, I won't be coming to see Roberto take us down.

It's actually Blue Monday today as well. Lets see a New Order at Everton eh?

Simon Jones
390 Posted 17/01/2022 at 11:44:11
I can't see past Duncan Ferguson for the job. No-one wants Martinez surely, Rooney should stay at Derby, if he keeps them up it will be a massive boost on his managerial CV, Lampard looks bang average and needs more experience before consideration, the other foreign managers being mentioned (notably Kovac & Gaultier) are both still risks being without experience in the PL.

So I'm back to Ferguson. He's got some limited experience, he's been alongside umpteen managers now and must have learnt a thing or two. But most importantly, he'll get you out of your seats, the crowd will be with him, he'll communicate what he needs, we'll actually use the attacking firepower we have got and if we are in a relegation dog-fight, it's goals that will get you out of it.

Then either Big Dunc has proven worthy of the job or offer Potter the earth in the summer.

Stuart Gray
391 Posted 17/01/2022 at 11:44:40
So is Martinez really that bad a shout? 6 years of learning with Belgium? Different manager than the one who left.

We have half decent players who are underperforming. Shame Digne left and shame we don't have James because Martinez might just have got the best out of them.

I'll leave now...

Peter Neilson
392 Posted 17/01/2022 at 11:51:24
Bjoern this was discussed yesterday on BBC 5 live. The players included James McFadden who made the point that the squad know when a manager is just about finished, it’s impossible to not pick up the signals. If Digne wanted to stay a decent agent would have advised him to sit tight. Maybe it’ll become clear over time.
Brian Wilkinson
393 Posted 17/01/2022 at 11:56:07
Any chance of a poll Ed’s on if fans would be happy with Duncan Ferguson as interim boss for now.

Forget anyone for future boss just yet, poll based solely of trying to get a quick fix for now.

If no poll then it’s a yes from me.

Christy Ring
394 Posted 17/01/2022 at 12:01:33
If the rumours are true about Martinez, it's Kenwright written all over it, especially as Moshiri brought in Benitez, when the board (Kenwright) wanted him to replace Ancelotti. I hope Belgium refuse to release him, I was a fan but don't believe he should come back.
Ferguson deserves the job until the end of the season, and look at the candidates then, including Dunc. He did a superb job last time, and his passion and drive is badly needed.
Jem Bir
395 Posted 17/01/2022 at 12:02:53
Potter, Galtier and Martinez - in that order.

No to Lampard.
No to Rooney.
Dunc - maybe give him a run?

Jamie Tul
396 Posted 17/01/2022 at 12:07:47
Belgium are refusing to release according to the Echo, fingers crossed..
https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/everton-new-manager-live-Martinez-22762619
Marc Hints
397 Posted 17/01/2022 at 12:12:03
apparently he is top of the list Gennaro Gattuso, anyone know anything on this guy?
Keith Harrison
398 Posted 17/01/2022 at 12:16:02
Marc. (397) Typical Italian no nonsense player, anything below the neck was a legit tackle. I don't know about his managerial capabilities, but I would bet on his sorting the defence out!!
Marc Hints
399 Posted 17/01/2022 at 12:16:44
That would be a good start then Keith
Paul Hewitt
400 Posted 17/01/2022 at 12:16:55
Marc@397. Yeah he's a bloody nutter.
Marc Hints
401 Posted 17/01/2022 at 12:18:00
Thanks for the insight Paul, I choked on my crisp then
Derek Knox
402 Posted 17/01/2022 at 12:24:22
Keith, Marc, Paul, Gattuso ?

Didn't they name the Traffic Speed Cameras after him ? (I'll get my Coat)

Paul Hewitt
403 Posted 17/01/2022 at 12:30:49
He also has a Scottish wife. So he will be able to understand Ferguson.
Iain Jones
404 Posted 17/01/2022 at 12:31:02
If Martinez gets it I’m completely done with this club. We sacked him for being useless in setting a team up defensively! Yet we are the worst team in the division for defending set prices. The players said after he had left that he wasn’t bothered about defending set pieces. The players also said that standards dropped in training and players were turning up late! We paid him 10 million to leave and now are going to pay him millions to come back! Only Everton. We’re a complete and utter embarrassment!
Neil Thomas
405 Posted 17/01/2022 at 12:32:17
At least it’ll stop the rumours about signing Longstaff now. That was really starting to concern me. Whoever comes in, let’s hope they have a plan, and a style of football. Because for the last few years, I couldn’t work out what we were trying to do. No pressing, no possession, no counter attacking. It’s been a complete shambles.
Daniel A Johnson
406 Posted 17/01/2022 at 12:33:54
Circus of a club we are a laughing stock worldwide.

Moshiri is a basket case of an owner

Bill Watson
407 Posted 17/01/2022 at 12:40:53
No, no, no.

What is wrong with this club?

Brendan Fox
408 Posted 17/01/2022 at 12:45:26
Sorry for the poor analogy but if it's true that the one with the brown shoes is seriously being considered by the board as a fit replacement for Benitez EFC is akin to someone who self harms
Tony Waring
409 Posted 17/01/2022 at 12:49:52
Ferguson with Tim Cahill alongside him. They know the club and they are likely to get a tune out of the players. We could do worse and I don't think Martinez is the answer.
Ray Robinson
410 Posted 17/01/2022 at 12:52:22
I'd rather have kept Benitez than re-hire Martinez - and before anyone says it, I'm glad Benitez has gone. Why on Earth would we consider re-hiring a bullshitter of the first order who couldn't organise a piss-up in a brewery?
Dan Nulty
411 Posted 17/01/2022 at 12:57:40
Gattuso is a far worse version of conte. He will fall out with everyone and be sacked before the end of the season.
joe clarke
412 Posted 17/01/2022 at 13:01:08
What qualities has Ferguson shown to make him suitable as an assistant manager,never mind a manager?
Why if he has all the skills required,has he not applied for a managers job elsewhere?
If he has these skills,why are other clubs not knocking down his door in order to employ him?
Michael Williams
413 Posted 17/01/2022 at 13:04:55
Tommy 145 - How'd that work out for you! Next time maybe don't tell someone they know nothing about soccer. It looks bad when those you slag that way get it right.

To everyone else: We are NOT getting a great up and coming manger or any manager on an upward trajectory, Gaultier included. They will wait for another opening instead of taking ours.

Graham Potter said no to us because he's smart man and has a real future as a manager. Why take this job when a better will open. No one any good should want us.

Nicholas Ryan
414 Posted 17/01/2022 at 13:12:10
I've just read, that the administrators at Derby need to cut costs, so they have terminated Phil Jagielka's contract with immediate effect. Rooney is said to be absolutely furious.

The main criticism of Martinez, is that he couldn't teach our players how to defend. How about Martinez, with Jagielka as a defensive coach; Duncan as the forwards coach; Tim Cahill coaching the midfielders and Tim Howard as the goalkeeping coach? Simples [as they say]!

Ian Jones
415 Posted 17/01/2022 at 13:15:07
No one has mentioned Mauricio Pochettino as a potential. Appreciate he's on Man Utd's radar but stranger things have happened.
Frank Crewe
416 Posted 17/01/2022 at 13:16:35
If Martinez hadn't been manager of Everton six years ago how many would be objecting to having Belgiums manager as the new manager of Everton? He knows the club and now I have no doubt he understands the expectations of the supporters. Plus his six years as Belgium manager will no doubt have given him contacts around europe when it comes to sourcing players.
Graham Potter is just another up and coming manager having a bit of a purple patch with a small club. But so was Koeman and Silva. Look how they turned out. There is a big difference between managing a club like Brighton where expectations are low and Everton where expectations are very high. Plus he has alreadt indicated he's not interested so I see no point in begging.
Rooney or Ferguson? No. Just neither of them have the experience required. Ferguson has made it perfectly clear he isn't interested in being the manager so I don't see the point in trying to foist it on him. These days you can't just bellow at players. They have to be managed. Ego's have to be massaged.
The fact is that after the manager turnover of the last eight years our choices are not that great. Everton has become a managers graveyard and a lot of them will be very wary about taking on the job. We only have ourselves to blame and are in no position to be picky about who gets the job next.
Martinez appears to be the most qualified for the job and appears willing to give it a go. I would appoint him if it were up to me.
James Marshall
417 Posted 17/01/2022 at 13:17:12
Nicholas@414

That's not exactly news - Jagielka plays for Stoke City now. He played for them on Saturday (and won with a clean sheet) so I don't think it was quite the shock to him or Rooney that perhaps people think it was. Derby are a mess.

John Otway
418 Posted 17/01/2022 at 13:18:01
Nicholas #414. Jagielka has joined Stoke City and played for them on Sunday. So, not so simples.
Andrew Ellams
419 Posted 17/01/2022 at 13:26:25
Alan Myers saying Belgium unlikely to allow discussions with Martinez before the World Cup
Iain Latchford
420 Posted 17/01/2022 at 13:26:52
The Daily Mail is reporting that Tim Cahill is being considered for a Senior Executive role at the club. Not actually sure what a "Senior Executive" does though (especially at Everton)? Would rather see him on the training pitch and in the dugout personally.
Trevor Peers
421 Posted 17/01/2022 at 13:27:01
It has to be Ferguson as caretaker, we need a huge short term boost and only he can provide it. Let him pick his own assistant as he did last time and I'm sure we'd be OK till the summer, then we can reassess the situation.

Martinez would be an absolute disaster, especially with our current defence and I don't think I could bear to hear his after match bullshit excuses again, it would be utter madness. Moshiri take note ! There has to be some form of consultation with the fan base if we are to ever get this right !

Jeff Armstrong
422 Posted 17/01/2022 at 13:28:13
Nicholas 414, you sound like Kenwright on speed.🤣
Ray Robinson
423 Posted 17/01/2022 at 13:29:23
Frank #416,but you forgot to mention that there is a world of difference between managing an international side and a league side. You can't buy players for a start and the coaching is limited to occasional meet ups.
Barry Hesketh
424 Posted 17/01/2022 at 13:30:15
Chris Beesley of the Echo is putting the idea of a Martinez return firmly at the feet at Moshiri, but is this true? Isn't it Bill's dream to see the Spaniard return? Whatever the truth of it, the reasons for Everton's recent troubles is right here - who is responsible? Nobody knows! Therefore the local media can peddle any old tosh, and we have no idea if they are accurate accounts or not.

Moshiri

As for those national pundits who beleve that Benitez was forced out of the club or could never survive the toxicity of Evertonians, I ask them to ponder whether their favourite club would keep a manager in place who had lost 9 of 13 league matches, would the fans of said club be rallying round the man responsible for those results - I think not.

John Boon
425 Posted 17/01/2022 at 13:30:49
After reading all the posts, it is obvious that the typical Evertonian is as confused as those who are actually in charge of making the final choice. No appointment would ever be bad enough to make me give up supporting the team I have followed for ever and ever.

We only need a new manager until the end of this dreadful season. Avoiding relegation has to be the only worthwhile goal. That is how sad it has become.

I am not about to make any suggestions because nobody really cares what the average dyed-in-the-wool Evertonian really thinks. Besides that, the only thing I have on my side is the experience of being a long time supporter.

Whoever is picked will be criticized until we actually win a game. I will always be an Evertonian and threats to stop supporting them are as ridiculous as those who think that anyone can magically turn things around.

Raymond Fox
426 Posted 17/01/2022 at 13:31:21
I agree we should put Duncan Furguson in charge at least in the short term, he will do as well as any outsider coming in.

Get the ball in the box more often, where things happen, is what I would like to see, forget trying to play the fancy stuff. Our defence doesn't inspire much confidence though, which is a worry.

Moshiri has been very badly let down by the so-called experts that have been around him. We have signed too many very ordinary players for too much money.

We should have enough though to get us out of the shit.

James Gardner
427 Posted 17/01/2022 at 13:36:23
The managerial failings and the failings on the field are symptoms. The club is rotten at the top and until this is fixed, regardless of who we appoint as our next manager, we will continue to fail.

Moshiri has mismanaged us to the point that any experienced manager will only come to us for a lucrative contract and will know failure is an option. An option with a massive payout.

More import than a new manager, is a new chairman, new CEO, board members who know how to run a successful club, and a director of football.

Even more importantly, the club needs to rediscover its identity and convey this with the fans. We need to know where the club is heading and what they are doing to fix all the problems we've made up to this point.

Unless any of this happens, it's going to be Groundhog Day and we'll be having the same conversations in 6 months time when we sack the next manager.

Joe Corgan
428 Posted 17/01/2022 at 13:37:26
It's looking more and more likely that Ferguson will get the job at least for the short term. I do wonder what qualifies him though.

We know that Ferguson can be a good motivator. He got a very good initial response when he took over from Silva, but he did only manage one win from four, albeit undefeated.

Being a manager, particularly of a side in a top division, is about so much more than motivation. Does he have the tactical acumen? Does he have the respect of the players? Can he build an effective back room team? Can he identify effective transfer targets?

I would be so much more in favour of Ferguson if he'd gone elsewhere for a few years to show what he can do. As it stands, we're in a relegation fight and are likely to appoint an almost unknown-quantity as manager. Unfortunately there isn't a laundry list of candidates and we're now almost certainly unable to attract some of the names that would have been available to us a couple of years ago.

We don't necessarily want or need a manager who can bring us long term success. We absolutely need a manager who can keep us in the Premier League this season, which would also give us time to properly assess our options heading into the summer.

Is Ferguson the safe pair of hands we desperately need right now? I have my doubts, but there are very few of those available right now.

Ian Jones
429 Posted 17/01/2022 at 13:45:07
Frank @ 416.

Think it was mentioned earlier that Ferguson's reluctance to become manager when he took over as caretaker was probably down to him knowing that Carlo Ancelotti had been approached.

Personally, I am not sure how appointing Ferguson would pan out, but I think now is the time for him to be given the interim role. I can't see him and the team being unable to get to 40 points, which I assume would be safety. Not advocating that 40 points would be the best we should strive for but the current situation is what it is.

Ferguson and Everton is a little like Shearer and Newcastle. Unless Ferguson gets his opportunity, there is always likely to be a clamour for him by the fans to appoint him.

Having said that, it didn't work out that well for Shearer and Newcastle. In his defence, he only had 8 games to turn it round!

Dave Carruthers
430 Posted 17/01/2022 at 13:49:21
Many of the older ToffeeWebbers will remember the Radio 1 DJ Ed “Stewpot” Stewart who for many years hosted the early Saturday and Sunday morning shows. He was an avid Evertonian and would always mention the team, who they were playing etc.

I can still remember travelling all over the country in the late '60s watching that wonderful team and listening to his show, and many records still remind me of the 1968 and 1969 FA Cup runs.

I digress slightly just to think back to those happy times. The key point is the name of his show was “Children's Choice” and I find the irony of that title and the current Board's approach to our choice of managers over the last 5 years too close for comfort. I am hoping and praying the next will be a grown-up decision.

This from an Evertonian in South Africa who has seen at least one game per season live for the last 25 years, up to Covid, and who was brought up on Merseyside and weaned on the Holy Trinity.

My despair knows no end at the moment but, much against my better judgement, I still think there is a tune to be found with this team, and just for Saturday, let Dunc and the Goodison bear pit do its job.

Rob Halligan
431 Posted 17/01/2022 at 13:50:49
I was speaking to Anthony Gordon whilst out walking the dog. He was in the park with his girlfriend and dog over the road from me.

I didn't want to put the lad under pressure by asking him the ins and outs of what's happening within the club, that would have been unfair on him and I told him so. Besides he mightn't even know.

Anyway, I told him that Benitez was simply the wrong appointment, and that he was playing players who shouldn't be anywhere near the first team. Without naming names, he agreed with me, and I think he knew the players I meant. I was also honest with him when I said Kenwright should be nowhere near the club. Obviously he couldn't comment, but I got the impression “Silence is Golden”.

As for the new manager, he asked me who I would like. I told him Paulo Fonseca. His reply… "Who's he?" Jeez, am I getting old? I told him the clubs he had been to, and that he almost joined Spurs in the summer.

Surprisingly, Anthony said he would like to see Rooney given the job. I'm not so sure I replied. I know he's done a great job at Derby considering the position they're in, but the Premier League is totally different to the Championship, and besides, Rooney is still relatively raw in terms of management.

Finished off by saying I thought he had a decent game at Norwich. The number of fouls on him was a joke, and he said it even got to the stage where the full-back was laughing because he was getting away with murder. Overall, a decent lad although a bit on the shy side. But being in the limelight now, it's something he will have to get used to.

Michael Nisbet
432 Posted 17/01/2022 at 13:52:00
I know we don't all agree on who the next manager should be, but that's fine. I know we'll all get right behind whoever it is, for a while at least.

I thought I'd give my opinion whatever it's worth.

Martinez - No thanks. I don't believe he has what it takes to make us any better than we are. I, among others, was becoming exasperated towards the end of his last term with the slow sideways football and very leaky defence.

Rooney - No thanks. Hasn't proven anything, and more importantly will divide the fans again.

Ferguson - I'd be okay with this. Especially in a 'til the end of the season' capacity. I believe he'd get us the points we need to survive, and instill a bit of passion in the players and around Goodison. Whether he can do a job longterm or not is another question, but we'd know better after half a season in charge.

Potter - We have no chance of getting him, so no point.

Galtier - Again no chance. Why on earth did the board not make him number one priority in the summer... Blinkers on and looking at Benitez for some reason.

Kasper Hjulmand - Yes, I'd be okay with this. Denmark have really improved under his charge. Don't really know much else about him though

Frank Lampard - No thanks. Not the worst choice, but hasn't proved anything and there's no real reason to believe he'd make us better

Paulo Fonseca - Hmmm, I'm on the fence here. Not convinced either way.

Nuno Espirito Santo - No thanks. Would probably be my least preferred candidate. I don't think he's got much about him other than a link to an agent.

Jose Mourinho - Oh, no actually he's my least preferred candidate. A big no. Not that there's any reason for him to leave Roma for Everton anyway.

My preference of all these would be a temporary gig for Ferguson, then re-evaluate in the summer.

Brent Stephens
433 Posted 17/01/2022 at 13:55:51
On reflection, some of my predictions in my early January ToffeeWeb article, "2022 ToffeeWeb Predictions", don't sound that bizarre!!!

I didn't predict Martinez but still have my money on all my predictions: Moyes, followed in quick succession by Ferguson, followed soon after by Boris Johnson (now eerily becoming more and more available by the day!).

Christy Ring
434 Posted 17/01/2022 at 14:03:25
Joe #428,

A bit misleading about Ferguson only winning one from four, Joe, considering the teams he played against: beat Chelsea, drew with Man Utd and Arsenal, lost on penalties against Leicester in the cup.

David Graves
435 Posted 17/01/2022 at 14:03:44
Give the interim job to Duncan and, if we can get 6 or 7 points from the next 4 league games before we play Man City, then he should keep the job until the end of the season, with the only target being Premier League safety.

However, even if Duncan starts well, I think that we will be far from safe. Take a look at our last 8 fixtures and try to work out where the 8 or 10 points that we may need in order to stay up will come from.

Most likely it will be the results at home that save us... so surely we need to go with someone who will unite the majority of the fanbase and create a more intimidating atmosphere for visiting teams. Hardly the School of Science but needs must.

As with any interim appointment, the job would be his to loose. If we only just limp over the line or he doesn't want it, then personally I would want Wayne Rooney in post for next season.

Rooney has had to deal with significant off-the-field challenges at Derby County this season but he's made them very difficult to beat and is apparently very well respected by their players and fans. They're on a good run and getting them even close to staying up will have been a massive achievement.

Rooney's won everything in domestic football, has played under some top managers and is currently doing a good job managing at a basketcase of a club. Perfect preparation for taking over at Everton.

Mark Ryan
436 Posted 17/01/2022 at 14:06:01
Mike @ 432 agree on all except on Mourinho.

If we did get Mourinho, I think this shower of shit that we have would do well under him. No big names for him to manage ego-wise and I think he knows what he's doing... pus, he would attract players. None of the others would attract players including Ferguson.

Ray Smith
437 Posted 17/01/2022 at 14:07:14
Martinez, god help us!!!

The loonies really are running the asylum!!!!

Ferguson and Baines until end of season, which gives the loonies time to plan ahead! That would be novel under the current regime.

If it wasn't that serious I'd laugh. 😂😂😂

David Graves
438 Posted 17/01/2022 at 14:14:51
Thanks for the insight Rob!

Your conversation with Anthony Gordon has only strengthened my feelings for Rooney as manager.

Perhaps it's no surprise that Gordon would favour Rooney given his reputation amongst players of Gordon's age. Imagine the impact Rooney might have on players like Gordon, Holgate, Patterson, Godfrey, Davies and Calvert-Lewin.

Add in his knowledge of those rough diamonds playing in the Championship we could be on to something – confident young players who are coached to be tough and resilient with a bit of flair thrown in!

Tom Bowers
439 Posted 17/01/2022 at 14:16:16
Who the hell is running Everton these days?

The next thing we know, they will be asking Slippy 'G' to take the reins.

Talk about backward steps. Martinez has done nothing and inherited a Belgian team full of talent, especially the best player in the World in De Bruyne. His pedigree is flawed and should never be considered as our next permanent manager if there is such a thing.

Whilst Moshiri and Kenwright are there, we will struggle to compete.

Daniel A Johnson
440 Posted 17/01/2022 at 14:24:17
Sensible approach is Big Dunc until the end of the season. Taking that time to do some serious groundwork and research on our next manager.

We should also see what Big Dunc has got in his locker during that extended period. If he does well, then it's a shoo-in for him; if not, a new man should come in and Dunc should leave too.

Mark Andrews
441 Posted 17/01/2022 at 14:27:40
Oh god no. It was a mess last time. He took Moyes great defence and turned it into a leaky basket case.

Who is making these decisions at our club and why do they never learn?

It's a no for 'phenomenal' Bob from me.

Iain Latchford
442 Posted 17/01/2022 at 14:27:56
The Athletic now reporting it's been offered to Martinez, and is being discussed with the Belgian FA. Thierry Henry as his assistant (maybe he could play instead of Rondon?).
Marc Hints
443 Posted 17/01/2022 at 14:31:12
Graham Potter just now:

"I am very happy here, one of the best run clubs in the Premier League, with a fantastic owner, chairman, CEO, sports director, great people at the club. A nice environment to work in. An ambitious club."

Just shows how embarrassing and fed up I am of the hierarchy of Everton Football Club.

Barry Jones
444 Posted 17/01/2022 at 14:33:16
Moshiri made a terrible mistake in appointing Benitez, and now Kenwright wants his old pal Martinez back. Between the two of them, do they have one functioning brain cell?

More than anything we need Moshiri and Kenwright out of the club. Only then can we expect some sanity and credible decisions.

Justin Doone
445 Posted 17/01/2022 at 14:35:02
At least we know the subject of our next protest. Villa game should be interesting.

I'm not sure Henry's is still in the Belgium set-up, I couldn't blame him, even if it is an easy gig. There is only so much listening to that prat before dark thoughts take over.

Next, please let there be a next!

Mark Ryan
446 Posted 17/01/2022 at 14:35:14
David @438,

Yeah, I can see it now:

"Play your arse off, lads, and you too could play for Man Utd. I'll put a word in for you. Put in some proper performances and you too can go up the road to Manchester!"

Do you not see that happening? And I'm being serious. He showed no real desire to stay with us. Is he not the template for players to try and move on to other clubs?

Soren Moyer
447 Posted 17/01/2022 at 14:35:54
Relegated Wigan. Sacked by us and got £20m in compensation. Has won nothing with Belgium. Yet, he is supposed to be our Number One choice to take over as manager once more!!! Utter madness!
Stu Darlington
448 Posted 17/01/2022 at 14:37:17
Daniel,

Good shout, but the operative phrase is “sensible approach”. This is Everton we are talking about!!

Justin Doone
449 Posted 17/01/2022 at 14:39:51
Rooney, no thanks.

I don't mean to be disrespectful to the lad, he does that all by himself, but he's not the type of person I would want.

Derek Knox
450 Posted 17/01/2022 at 14:41:19
Trevor @ 421,

My thoughts exactly, no panic button presses, like in the past, where, even when they seem to have deliberated, they have still got it wrong.

Rob @ 431,

Phew, I had to read your post twice. I initially conjured up a mental picture of Anthony Gordon 'dogging with his girlfriend' in the Park and you tapping him on the shoulder, asking him about the Managerial Conundrum at Everton. ("Not now, Rob, can't you see I'm busy!")

Thankfully, on re-reading, it all fitted into place! :-)

David Hallwood
451 Posted 17/01/2022 at 14:41:58
I remember watching a game in the Bobby era and the summariser stated that, because Everton like to play out from the back, he expected to see the other team press high (I forgotten which game it was) so we'd be trapped at or around the penalty box.

Then, would you Adam and Eve, it went according to plan! The week after, the same thing happened... then the week after that... then after that.

And that's his philosophy and he isn't going to change. Personally, I think a team needs Maldini, Van Dijk etc to play out from the back. The thought of seeing Keane, Godfrey and Holgate trying to do Beckenbauer impressions frightens the shite out of me.

This is a perfect example of the Einstein maxim. I've never slagged Blue Bill but, on this occasion, just fuck off.

James Marshall
452 Posted 17/01/2022 at 14:42:03
I'd be stunned if he left the Belgium job ahead of the World Cup. Why would he do that? Uproot his family life in Belgium, with school-age kids and a settled life & job to come to shitty Everton in a mess? Why? What could he possibly gain from it? It makes no sense at all.

Just because he's said he'd be up for the job doesn't mean right now – look at the way Sky report it, the wording they use is so ambiguous. Sky Sports News is basically like reading The Sun – about as much use as toilet paper at best.

"Martinez would welcome Everton return" they blast across the site – bullshit. He hasn't said that he wants to come to Everton at all. They just make shit up like The Sun do. He may have said he'd be open to it in the future, but that's not the same thing at all.

Nick Page
453 Posted 17/01/2022 at 14:42:23
Marc #443,

I just watched that and I was sat there shaking my head thinking if only….how hard can it be? Removing the obvious obstacles is and has been the problem all along.

Someone once said if you love something enough you would walk away. Clearly Kenwright doesn't and is just in it for limelight and the money.

Rob Halligan
454 Posted 17/01/2022 at 14:43:36
Only you could conjure up that image, Derek! 😀😀😀
Bill Gall
455 Posted 17/01/2022 at 14:44:35
It seems we may have got lucky and the Belgium FA are blocking the Martinez move.

The only logical choice is to give it to Ferguson, not just till the of the season, but tell him, "There you go, earn yourself a 5-year contract!"

Marc Hints
456 Posted 17/01/2022 at 14:45:16
Nick #453,

I think you're right. I used to defend Kenwright but now I have just lost any patience with him. All his decisions seem to be based on sentiment, again because Martinez is a lovely guy, let's get him back! No football reasons at all, I don't think!

Iain Latchford
457 Posted 17/01/2022 at 14:50:53
James, one word: "money". He'd probably pick up in excess of £20M (say £6-8M for three years) here, although he'd only work for one in all likelihood. He's on about £2M a year with the Belgium job.
David Graves
458 Posted 17/01/2022 at 14:52:17
Mark, you're right: we might be a stepping-stone for him to greater things and our best players might move on. So what's new?

Alternatively, he might be the new hungry manager appointment that brings us success. Who are the alternatives?

You advocate Mourinho above. Seriously? Do you honestly think he would show more loyalty to us than Rooney would if he was appointed?

He failed at Man Utd, failed at Spurs and is now struggling at Roma. After Ancelotti and Benitez, he would be yet another "yesterday's man" appointment.

Steve Brown
459 Posted 17/01/2022 at 14:57:23
Looks like a done deal.

Link

Frank Crewe
460 Posted 17/01/2022 at 15:00:45
If Rooney is so great, why didn't Man Utd want him after Ole (another old boy) got the boot? Why did Chelsea give Lampard the chop in favour of Tuchel? How successful was Souness when he managed Liverpool? Shearer got his fingers burned after seven games at Newcastle.

There is a list as long as your arm of ex-players going back to manage their old clubs and being complete failures and getting the chop. It's just romanticising and wishful thinking. It shows how bad Everton's reputation has got when, within a year, we have gone from multiple trophy winner Ancelotti to considering Wayne Rooney who has managed Derby County for about five minutes.

The best reason for giving him the job is that he's a fan of the club and played for us in his teens before jumping ship to Man Utd.

If you were going in for surgery, would you want a surgeon doing his first operation or a guy doing his 1,000'th? Yet apparently experience counts for nothing when it comes to football. All you need is a tattoo and a loud voice.

Like it or not, there is no manager on that list outside of Martinez and Potter that has any managerial reputation at all and Potter plainly isn't interested.

Alan J Thompson
461 Posted 17/01/2022 at 15:02:28
Didn't one of the players under Martinez say that the only thing that interested him was making your pass completion target and provided you hit your quota then you were all right regardless of the result? And now we have to rely on the Hardheads to save us.
Soren Moyer
462 Posted 17/01/2022 at 15:06:14
Paulo Fonseca, Rudi Garcia and Lucien Favre. These 3 excellent managers are available yet, we want BBS back for a second time!!!! WTF!
Alan Johnson
463 Posted 17/01/2022 at 15:08:16
Jason Burt now saying its off. Belgium refused to let him have both jobs.
Dan Parker
464 Posted 17/01/2022 at 15:10:07
Dunc until the end of the season and re-structure the board in the meantime. Spin the charity work off into a separate entity and appoint a proper footballing CEO.

Kind words for Bill and an honorary role that has no place in the board-room.. Appoint an experienced DoF to oversee recruitment, training and youth development whilst hopefully Dunc steadies the ship and either proves himself and takes the role full-time or moves on to gain more experience elsewhere whilst the new manager brings in his own assistant.

And finally, re-appoint Alan Myers as director of communications.

Brendan Fox
465 Posted 17/01/2022 at 15:15:43
Alan Johnson @ 463 if that information is correct, then from the bottom of this Bluenose heart, thank you, Belgium!

Please save us from the one with brown shoes...

Dale Self
466 Posted 17/01/2022 at 15:18:50
The Ol Belgian Waffle eh?
P Ron Wells
467 Posted 17/01/2022 at 15:21:52
Can anyone trust this board of serial blunderers, deniers, and incompetents?

The errors of the last 6 years are enough to make anyone doubt if they will get it right this time, or any time.

Much as we didn't like Benitez, it should be the board who are tendering resignation en masse. Until the Kenwright clique is gone, nothing good will emerge from the bottom of this pond.

Matt Henderson
468 Posted 17/01/2022 at 15:22:19
The club should be looking to get the Brighton CEO to the club, regardless of who they appoint as manager. Brilliantly run club and making incremental improvements each year.

When they appointed Potter, their owner said that they scout managers (as well as players) as contingency planning so as they are ready to replace any current manager quickly if need be. Can you imagine our club being run with this sort of forward planning that should be standard as part of any good business??? Nope.

Instead, we are left with a relic running the club like a corner shop. A good CEO, given the same remit as Levy etc, would change the whole structure of the club and mitigate the chances of us making poor decisions time and time again on managers etc as we do now.

Without this change, even if we do stay up this season, we are destined to be relegated in the coming season or two, regardless of who we appoint as manager.

Iain Johnston
469 Posted 17/01/2022 at 15:27:12
What was it that Sky commentator said back in 2016 when England came from 2 down to beat Germany?

"I think Germany have had Roberto Martinez in charge for the last 30 minutes".

I do not want that Spanish space cadet excuse of a football manager anywhere near our home dugout.

Matthew Williams
470 Posted 17/01/2022 at 15:27:21
This is sick joke... right?

If this happens, then the sooner Moshiri fucks off, the better. Our Boardroom are not fit for purpose and we are becoming a global footballing laughing stock.

Darren Farley will be pissing himself (even more) if this comes to pass!

Brian Wilkinson
471 Posted 17/01/2022 at 15:30:03
All these Managers being linked, have we not been down this road before? Koeman, Silva we're two that fans thought could come in and do a good job, we have tried the same Manager route and every year ends the same.

So why not just for once go down the Duncan Ferguson route, on a month-to-month basis, just try something different.

Rooney had no experience, until he took the Derby job, so why not just for once be bold and try something different. If results go our way, keep extending his stay, if we get a few months or longer out of him, then gives us breathing space. If he does a decent enough job, keep him on a short term interim, at least then, there will be no compensation to pay.

After all the managers we have had and failed, I just cannot see by giving Dunc a stint, how it could possibly be worse.

The fans will back him, he will get the respect of the players, but if we do not try for longer than a few games, we will never know.

I would forget Baines for number two; I would bring Tim Cahill in.

Marc Hints
472 Posted 17/01/2022 at 15:32:26
I love Belgium.
Robert Tressell
473 Posted 17/01/2022 at 15:32:49
This is like the bit in the Big Lebowski where the Dude enrages Walter Sobchak about living in the past and Walter goes off on one about 2,000 years of beautiful tradition.

Why are we living in the past?

How did it ever get to Kendall Mark III with Beagrie on loan?

Why is it always a mooted return for Moyes, Barkley etc.

What on earth happened with Rooney turning up at the same time as Klaassen, Sigurdsson and Vlasic?

Why is Ferguson still here?

Why are we back in for Martinez at a point in time when our key issue is inability to defend?

We are the weirdest club.

Mike Hayes
474 Posted 17/01/2022 at 15:33:18
Victor Anichibe on Sky saying it's a joke going back for Martinez – why sack someone that caused a toxic situation to cause another one?

He's saying all the right things in favour of the fans and should go for Fergusson and Baines as well as Rooney. He says Everton have done nothing since Moyes left. I wonder if they can get Big Nev and Reidy on for their views?

Geoff Williams
475 Posted 17/01/2022 at 15:37:39
Just watched Victor Anchibe being interviewed on Sky and I was very impressed with what he had to say. He came across as a bright articulate young man who spoke sense. Ferguson and Baines being his preference to run the club.

When asked about Martinez, he laughed and said, "What a joke."

Mike Gaynes
476 Posted 17/01/2022 at 15:37:40
Rob #431, amazing bit of good fortune that. Not for you, but for Anthony. What a privilege for the lad. Cracked me up that he'd never heard of Fonseca.

Ian #420, that would be the best news I could imagine. Cahill could be a positive influence on the entire club structure, not just the team on the pitch.

Dale #466, hah! But I am now a huge Belgium fan for the World Cup. Thank you to De Rode Duivels for their intransigence.

Dale Self
477 Posted 17/01/2022 at 15:39:13
You can wax poetic all you want about Everton but the fact is we've pissed away what credibility and reputation we once possessed.

This is the Premier League. No one feels sorry for you. Maybe staying on the front page a while will teach this guy how it works.

Nicholas Ryan
478 Posted 17/01/2022 at 15:40:15
Marc [472] " I love Belgium..."; The place, or the football team?

Both could probably de described as 'France without the Romance'!
Brent Stephens
479 Posted 17/01/2022 at 15:42:15
A sobering article today by Jonathan Wilson in the Grauniad
Link

In summary, he's saying we need to accept our place in the world.

I know, I know!! But a sobering read.

Nick Page
480 Posted 17/01/2022 at 15:42:40
Ferguson, Baines, Rooney, Cahill…. in some capacity. I hate to say it but it is the only thing that ever (curiously) worked for Everton.

That said it doesn't excuse 27 years of mismanagement from Kim Jong Bill and his motley crew, stumbling from one transfer window to the next with injured players coming back as new signings, the ground problems, the overdraft etc etc.

He got lucky with Moyes in so much as he kept us afloat. But my God it was a shit show.

So how do we get rid of them?

Barry Hesketh
481 Posted 17/01/2022 at 15:44:03
I'm thinking that a fit and proper owner test should be reviewed periodically.

There should be a sanity test too, because nobody could have seen the possibility of a return of Bobby as a realistic option this time last week.

It doesn't look as if it will happen now, thank goodness, but that doesn't remove the feeling that our ownership and board is living in a parallel universe.

Pat Kelly
482 Posted 17/01/2022 at 15:45:31
Well that's it. Martinez it is. Agreement has been reached. He will remain in charge of the Belgian national team and the Belgian FA has given its approval to his appointment to Everton on condition he works from home. The Everton Board has accepted.
David Graves
483 Posted 17/01/2022 at 15:46:07
Agreed Martinez had us playing some exciting football initially and, were it not for some bad luck with an appalling decision in the Man City semi-final and injuries prior to the FA Cup Semi-final, he might have won us a trophy.

However, his last months in charge brought turgid football, alleged player revolt, sit-in protests and "Martinez Out" banners – including one flown over Goodison.

Since he walked away with his massive pay-off, he's had a part-time job coaching Belgium's golden generation. To bring him back when we are on the brink of a relegation battle would be ridiculous.

Thank god that it appears that the Begium FA will put an end to this madness.

Mike Gaynes
484 Posted 17/01/2022 at 15:47:02
Does Victor Anichebe have his coaching badges?

Sometimes bad players make the best managers.

Marc #397 and Paul #400, yes, Gattuso is a nutter. He is also an excellent manager who puts out highly organized, motivated teams. He replaced Ancelotti at Napoli when Carlo came here. Won 46 of 81 games and an Italian Cup. But we would never hire him because he takes no shit from club management.

Jay Harris
485 Posted 17/01/2022 at 15:52:22
Don't be too sure about Martinez not being released. He is apparently in talks with the Belgian FA stating he can combine the two jobs.

If this happens, I am truly finished with the club until Kenwright is gone.

Marc Hints
486 Posted 17/01/2022 at 15:52:30
Nicholas #478 - At the moment I love both!
Brian Wilkinson
487 Posted 17/01/2022 at 15:53:08
In that case, Mike, let's get Rondon in as Manager, and Iwobi as his number two. :-)
Len Hawkins
488 Posted 17/01/2022 at 15:53:43
Mike #484

We should be well off for managers then – there are plenty of bad players hanging about the club.

So it will be Rondon, Tosun and Iwobi (when he comes back) taking the reins.

Stephen Williams
489 Posted 17/01/2022 at 15:54:14
Just watched Graham Potter's interview on Sky Sports and, whilst he said all the usual things – complimentary about B&HA, good people, support from the Board, concentrating on his job etc – he never even got close to saying 'No'.

In fact when he was asked specifically if he was saying 'No', he declined to confirm that and instead he just said 'I'm saying that's my answer'.

It's clear that if Everton are interested in him and went big on him he'd definitely be interested.

However, no doubt it would be easier to get the chosen one in at the end of the season, so if we can't get whoever that is now, then stick with Duncan and Bainsey for the next 19 games. We need 6 wins from that which, even with this underperforming squad, must be achievable.

Bryan Houghton
490 Posted 17/01/2022 at 15:59:10
Quoted from Potter, and copied from BBC site explains why I want this guy, and why we won't get him.

"The reality is I'm at a really good football club that helped me. I'm not here because I'm that good, it's because I'm at a good club and I have good support.

"I have people that allow me to do my job, that give me support, give me trust and these things are important. There's an organisation around the club."

He has a realistic perspective of himself, and the value of a well organised, committed and supportive club within which to work in. And therefore, what he wouldnt get here.

Dale Self
491 Posted 17/01/2022 at 16:00:01
Are we paying the Belgian FA to rent the Bob?
Alec Gaston
492 Posted 17/01/2022 at 16:00:40
Moshiri is only interested in appointing a manager he thinks will protect his and Usmanov's investment. He does not get that keeping fans on board and the atmosphere this creates affects how the team perform and a manager is key to that.

This is a black and white balance sheet exercise to enable him to make a profit at some point in the future. He is not a supporter, he will never think or act like one.

I am heartbroken at what we sold our souls to, but I will be there at the weekend giving 100% to the team because, if we go down, we won't come back. COYB

Danny O’Neill
493 Posted 17/01/2022 at 16:04:48
Changing track slightly from Martinez.

I know it's unlikely and I've banged on about it since Moyes left at every opportunity, but I read first rumours of Rangnick now not staying at United after this season. Even the suggestion he may not last the season. He was only doing so in a consultant role anyway. I guess it will depend on who they have or had lined up.

Ralph the builder please as DoF / Sporting Director for the umpteenth time. Younger first team coach under him.

Everton won't phase him. He's taken teams from effective non-league to Europe and top flight with the backing of a rich benefactor twice.

And he won't have to move far.

David Graves
494 Posted 17/01/2022 at 16:06:36
Perhaps it was Brighton then who asked Kenwright for advice on how a Premier League Club should be run?

Marc Hints
495 Posted 17/01/2022 at 16:06:46
Blimey just read that Everton want Martinez as an interim manager, a dual role with Belgium which obviously Belgium have turned down.

What is the thinking behind that and why on earth do Kenwright and Moshiri think Belgium would do that in a World Cup year? It is mind-boggling!

Eddie Dunn
496 Posted 17/01/2022 at 16:07:03
Rob, interesting chat you had with Gordon. That full-back could easily have got four yellow cards.

A young scouser would like Rooney – I wonder what the other players think?

Steve Brown
497 Posted 17/01/2022 at 16:07:55
Stephen @ 489, his 'denial' was as emphatic as Gerrard's before he ditched Rangers for Villa. Bigger club, more money and he can name how he wants the model to operate.

Of course he'd be interested. We always get the same old "he'd never come here" line every time.

Dan Parker
498 Posted 17/01/2022 at 16:09:15
We didn't sell our souls, Alec, Bill did!

Laughable considering he spent a decade or so claiming he was waiting for the right billionaire.

I just hope the stadium gets built and we're able to see it through in the Premier League and hopefully get it right. In the meantime, it could be a rough 3 years or so.

Danny O’Neill
499 Posted 17/01/2022 at 16:13:00
Like my Rangnick shout, Bryan & Stephen, Potter is unrealistic at this point. It's going to be a caretaker to see us over the line, hopefully not with a 1994 or 1998 dip finish.

In the summer, we can probably be more ambitious. I think Potter will stay where he is for now and choose his next move carefully.

Looking around now, if it goes pear-shaped for Eddie Howe, I could see Newcastle making that move.

Lewis Barclay
500 Posted 17/01/2022 at 16:13:54
Some facts about Martinez and Everton:

Martinez was sacked following a poor run of form, with the club in 12th position (with one game left in the season) where they reached the semi-final of both the FA Cup and the League Cup. This was the season before the club went on to spend £500m+ and finished: 7, 8, 8, 12, 10 - with nothing better than a quarter final cup game since.

Martinez is the club's 5th most successful full-time manager from a points per game perspective, behind Howard Kendall (based only on his 1st appointment), Harry Catterick, Carlo Ancelotti and Colin Harvey.

In the last ten seasons Everton have not finished higher than 5th place or got a return of 72 points or more. Both achievments from a full season under Roberto Martinez.

Of course, it would be easy to point out that Romelu Lukaku was also present at the same time.

I am revisiting my expecations for the club over the next three seasons and I would welcome back Martinez, alongside some club stability and the chance of a Top 8 finish and a good cup run or two!

Mike Gaynes
501 Posted 17/01/2022 at 16:14:39
Danny #493, agreed. He had accepted essentially that same role at Lokomotiv Moscow before he jumped to Man Utd, so it would be great to have him at Everton. But I've read nothing about him wanting to leave Man Utd, just that he doesn't want to be on the touchline. He's 63 and has a chronic illness.

Lewis #500, all true, but I would point out that all that success occurred in Roberto's first season. His next two seasons were among the most dismal in club history. He won 23 of 76 games, 30%. I believe no Everton manager has ever done worse over a full two-year period.

Joe McMahon
502 Posted 17/01/2022 at 16:16:56
Mike @484, no but Stuart Barlow, Rondon, Tony Hibbert (just never rated him) Michael Branch and John Spencer may have?
Bill Fairfield
503 Posted 17/01/2022 at 16:20:48
We need a manager that can unite us all. Martinez is not that man. This board of directors couldn’t care less about the supporters if they make this appointment.
John Hull
504 Posted 17/01/2022 at 16:22:50
Let’s try for Dyche. He’d get the defence sorted quickly and would relish the opportunity to show what he can do with a better (on paper at least) squad than he has now.
Peter Neilson
505 Posted 17/01/2022 at 16:23:12
Either I dreamt his last two seasons or others slept through it. Why would we even consider him?
Barry Hesketh
506 Posted 17/01/2022 at 16:23:54
Club statement on the departures of Benitez's backroom staff.

Everton can confirm Francisco de Miguel Moreno, Antonio Gomez, Jamie Harley and Cristian Fernandez have left Everton's First-Team technical staff with immediate effect.

De Miguel Moreno (Assistant Manager), Gomez (First-Team Coach and Senior Analyst), Harley (Head of Sports Science) and Fernandez (First-Team Rehabilitation Fitness Coach) worked alongside Rafael Benitez who departed the Club as First-Team Manager on Sunday.

Derek Knox
507 Posted 17/01/2022 at 16:25:16
Dale @ 491, Yes, it's 'Bob a Job' week back again!

Not sure if you had that in the States, but the Boy Scouts used to do odd jobs for people, for the old shilling to raise money, and the nickname for a shilling was a 'Bob'!

Peter Neilson
508 Posted 17/01/2022 at 16:32:10
Similar to the statement for Benitez – no “thanks for your efforts” – which is fine by me.

I'm probably reading too much into it but is Moshiri finally getting emotionally involved or (and more likely) was Kenwright the author?

Tony Everan
509 Posted 17/01/2022 at 16:33:26
Rob, Thanks for sharing your conversation Anthony Gordon.

On my walk with the dog just now I was thinking about it. It surprises me that Anthony didn’t automatically say he would want Duncan Ferguson as manager seeing that he works with him every day. Instead he said he’d want Wayne Rooney.

Mike Gaynes
510 Posted 17/01/2022 at 16:37:25
Yep, no thank yous and no best wishes for the future. Just get the fuck out.

Benitez rolled out a tweet ostensibly blaming everybody but himself... but it's in Spanish. Can anybody post a translation?

Gracias a todos los que apoyaron desde el principio

Peter Neilson
511 Posted 17/01/2022 at 16:43:09
Here it is Mike:

We knew it wouldn't be easy, and that it was a big challenge, both emotionally and in terms of sport. My love for this city, for Merseyside and its people, made me accept this challenge, but it is only when you are inside that you realise the magnitude of the task. From the very first day, my staff and myself worked as we always do, with commitment and full dedication, we didn't only have to get results, but we also had to win over people's hearts. However, the financial situation and then the injuries that followed made things even harder. I am convinced that we would have been better once the injured players were back and with the arrival of the new signings. The road to success isn't easy and sadly, nowadays in football there is a search for immediate results and there is always less and less patience; unfortunately circumstances have determined the results and it won't be possible to continue this project.

In any case, thank you to the Board, to the staff, to the players, and to those fans who have supported us during this time.

My best wishes for EFC.

Rafa Benítez.

Ray Smith
512 Posted 17/01/2022 at 16:43:42
Who is looking after transfers in and out?

Hopefully not Bill Kenwright!!!

Rob Halligan
513 Posted 17/01/2022 at 16:44:38
Stephen # 489.

I was thinking exactly the same as you. Not once through out the interview did he say no to the Everton link. He said what any manager would say, ie, I cannot comment on speculation linking me to another job.

Of course, he goes on to say he's happy where he is, and fully focused on the job in hand. If he says anything to the contrary, what would the Brighton hierarchy think, he wants out?

That bit at the end, when asked specifically if he was saying 'No', he declined to confirm that and instead he just said 'I'm saying that's my answer', I can't work out for sure if that's a definite No, or not?

Brighton manager Graham Potter distances himself from Everton job

Jay Wood
[BRZ]

514 Posted 17/01/2022 at 16:48:17
Mike, it's word for word what he posted in English yesterday.
Nick White
515 Posted 17/01/2022 at 16:49:32
I may have to dig out the old “Martinez Out” banner on Saturday against Villa!
Mike Gaynes
516 Posted 17/01/2022 at 16:49:59
Thought-provoking stuff from Jonathan Wilson in The Guardian:

For a long time Everton were a club who battled on admirably despite a comparative dearth of resources. Since Farhad Moshiri became the club's owner in 2016, though, there has been a net spend of a little over £200m. That's not enough to challenge for Champions League qualification, but even after the tap was turned off this summer, the first year of Moshiri's reign when a cash profit was made on sales, it is not a level of expenditure that should see the club anxiously glancing over their shoulders at a possible relegation fight. Spotrac suggests Everton have the seventh highest wage bill in the Premier League; it's a long time since they have played like it.

But is this really our path forward?

"...it feels as though there has been a fundamental failure to accept Everton's place in the modern world. Cosplaying being a big club has simply wasted money. Clubs like Everton can thrive only by buying young prospects and then selling at a profit. It's unpalatable, but that's the reality of the financing of modern football for those who are not superclubs.

To do that, though, requires a proper structure and a proper philosophy. Under Moshiri there has been none of that, just a club ricocheting between approaches... The people who could have instituted a proper transfer policy, Steve Walsh and Marcel Brands, never seemed entirely happy fits. Walsh left in 2018, Brands in December citing “a clear difference in the vision and direction” with the board.

Perhaps Brands wasn't the right man. Perhaps Walsh wasn't. Ultimately Benítez clearly wasn't. But who can be? What direction is there at the club at the moment? A former manager has privately observed that Moshiri is unclear in his own mind, too reactive to the shifting tides of fan and media opinion. But until there is a clear vision it is hard to see how Everton move forward, and that begins with an acceptance of their place in the world.

Peter Neilson
517 Posted 17/01/2022 at 16:51:28
If Benitez left by mutual consent, then he probably ran his personal website statement via the club (or he'd have been wise to).

It's usually written into settlement agreements that any statements that can be reasonably construed as being in any way derogatory to the former employer will result in any payoff being cancelled or clawed back. Which is why it's usual practice to take the money and say nothing.

His statement displays the arrogance, hubris and lack of self-awareness in the guy. Good riddance.

Barry Hesketh
518 Posted 17/01/2022 at 16:51:50
Benitez's real message was:

"So long suckers, I really enjoyed toying with Evertonians emotions during the last few months, I could have done more to annoy you, but I soon realised that the club didn't need my help in upsetting the fans as it has people in much more powerful positions to do that on a much longer term basis.

"Adios Bluenoses!"

Mike Gaynes
519 Posted 17/01/2022 at 16:52:34
Peter, thanks.

Tony, interesting point.

Joe McMahon
520 Posted 17/01/2022 at 16:55:28
For anyone stating Sean Dyche, I see Burnley a fair bit, my wifes from the area. What I see season after season is the football Burnley play is the most negative there is to be seen.

They have won 1 match all season, we rarely see them even score a goal. Lowest goal scorers every season and every year exiting the cups early to lower league opposition.

Last week it was at home to Huddersfiled infront of a crowd of 7k. Even Burnley fans are sick of him.

Sean Dyche is a football neanderthal, no way. My wife doesn't want to go again until he's gone, next season in the Championship. Maxwell Cornet will be off, their only hope is him but he's at Afcon.

Tom Harvey
521 Posted 17/01/2022 at 16:58:43
Stephen Williams @ 489

Potter will not give an absolute no to the job; by doing this, he's probably hoping he can panic Brighton into a pay rise to keep him.

Brian Harrison
522 Posted 17/01/2022 at 17:01:53
Rob,

I don't know whether Potter would consider coming here, Brighton gave him a 6 year contract thats commitment, and long gone are the days since Everton was an attractive proposition.

Also given our position in the league why would anyone come here knowing if we dropped into the bottom 3 they would be sacked? Even if they just stayed up there is no guarantee they would be kept on.

Also because of FFP we have financial constraints maybe even hampering signings in the summer. Moshiris turnover of managers in his 5 year reign is staggering and not one that any young coach would feel comfortable coming into that scenario.

You only have to look at who is being touted: Martinez, and if rumours are right they were prepared to let him job share doing the Belgium job, you couldn't make it up.

Not only have we squandered hundreds of millions on players, the money we have spent on sacked managers pay out is astronomical.

They obviously don't seem to have a lot of confidence in Ferguson as they would already have made that appointment, even if it was only as an interim manager. But maybe Duncan has turned it down, I have no idea.

But Everton is a basket case of a club and is it any wonder that the supporters, although pleased Benitez has been kicked out, are still very fearful of what the rest of the season holds for us.

Michael Pennington
523 Posted 17/01/2022 at 17:06:13
Please, no banners to sack the board.

A better protest would be for everyone to be silent for 90 minutes too close to the Bottom 3.

Danny O’Neill
524 Posted 17/01/2022 at 17:07:11
I'm waiting for something a bit more credible, Mike. The thread I read suggested it was Man Utd who weren't convinced.

Let's see how that unfolds. If it does at all.

Dyche not for me, John. I've just spent the best part of 2 years moaning about a deep sitting defence and not playing on the front foot. He might do a job for us right now, but I can't see him taking on a temporary caretaker role.

Peter Neilson
525 Posted 17/01/2022 at 17:11:37
I read earlier that the pay off to managers under Moshiri is now over £40M.

To cap it all, Belgium reportedly want £2M for Martinez. No end in sight to this madness.

Andrew Bentley
526 Posted 17/01/2022 at 17:14:07
In some ways, a new person coming in (so long as they are not someone who's done the job before or is a divisive figure like Rafa or Big Sam) has a bit of a free ride for the next 6 months.

Fans will get behind most new appointments and, if results don't improve and the worst case scenario happens, then the issue will be Rafa and the damage done pre Xmas, or the focus will centre on the board issues, and less on the manager.

Whereas, if they can turn us around and get some more wins on the board and back to more like mid table then it lays the foundations for them to be given more freedom in the summer to bring in who they want.

Either way, they are likely to be given more time than someone like Rafa was ever on.

With this in mind, the board should be bold and go for something different and new. Not looking back at Martinez.

Although, if that's who they bring in then he will have my support for the rest of the season as we need to change the atmosphere around the club and us as fans play a big role at the matches and on social media to help make things more positive.

Simon Dalzell
527 Posted 17/01/2022 at 17:17:53
Worrying that Bobby is so short with the bookmakers. As skinny as 1/2 , despite suggestions that the Belgian FA have blocked any approach.
Danny O’Neill
528 Posted 17/01/2022 at 17:22:21
What many have been saying on many threads many times, Mike, notably the Paul the Esk ones.

Vision, Strategy, Governance, Structure.

And the right people at all levels to deliver on that, not just think about the next match.

Henrik Lyngsie
529 Posted 17/01/2022 at 17:24:47
I don't believe for one second that there is any truth in the link with Martinez.

Why would we go back to a manager we sacked a few years ago? And why would he in a Workd Cup year leave Belgium? He is manager for a team who can realistically win the World Cup.

Why would he leave that to join Everton. Where is the upside from his point of view. Even if he had Everton winning the Premier League, the World Cup is still bigger.

There is no logic in this rumour. And you can trust my logic because yesterday I reasoned that Benitez would not be sacked a week after selling Digne!!

Peter Carpenter
530 Posted 17/01/2022 at 17:27:04
Jonathan Wilson is pretty much spot-on, Mike (516)
Nicholas Randall
531 Posted 17/01/2022 at 17:30:59
If Roberto Martinez is appointed until the end of the season, he may stay as Belgium manager. He would be an unwise appointment.
Jon Harding
532 Posted 17/01/2022 at 17:31:49
If true, close your eyes for every incoming corner and free kick!

But at least I won't have to travel far to watch us at my local club Bristol City in the Championship next season. And probably Bristol Rovers not too long after that.

Ed Prytherch
533 Posted 17/01/2022 at 17:39:18
We paid the fucker £10 million to leave and now we would pay £2 million to get him back? It sounds nuts... but Moshiri is one.
Rob Halligan
534 Posted 17/01/2022 at 17:39:28
Brian # 522.

I think the answer as to whether Potter would consider the job or not, lies directly in the post above yours.

I didn't know Brighton had given him a 6-year contract, more fool them if that's the case. I remember Newcastle giving, I think it was Alan Pardew an 8-year contract. One almighty compensation payoff when he was sacked a year or two later, but no doubt some kind of clause would have been written into his contract to cover such a scenario, and you'd think Brighton have done the same.

Brighton will finish mid table this season. Won't qualify for Europe, and won't be relegated, but what happens if it all goes pear-shaped next season, and they are fighting relegation? Will they sack Potter and then be faced with a massive compensation payment? All hypothetical of course, but could easily happen.

I keep reading, and being told, players will want to go to Newcastle simply for the money. Managers are the same as players, ie, mercenaries. They don't give a toss about the club they are at, as long as they're getting a good wedge.

If Everton offer Potter double the money he's on at Brighton, and Brighton don't at least match it, what will Potter do? I think if it was me, I'd take a chance to double my salary, also knowing there's a hefty payoff coming my way if I was sacked. Win-win situation all the way and also a very good chance of another job to follow soon after.

Finally, you say Everton are no longer an attractive proposition. That may well be the case, but I think we're a more attractive proposition than Brighton, and money does talk, despite what many think.

Jamie Crowley
535 Posted 17/01/2022 at 17:49:35
No matter what happens with the Roberto Part II saga, I personally can't wait for the Villa game.

We'll actually put three central midfielders in a formation that isn't certifiably stupid, and down to that single change we'll play much, much better.

I'd bet the house on the above.

Clive Rogers
536 Posted 17/01/2022 at 17:58:25
Jamie, 535,

I can't see that as our midfield players are just not good enough. If the three includes Gomes and Allan, we'll be overrun as they are far too slow.

Jason Li
537 Posted 17/01/2022 at 17:58:39
I'm still not sure about Potter. Nice football, but I just don't see him winning loads of trophies soon. I think he'll be steady like Moyes and get a top 6 finish here and there but I don't think he will be as good as Moyes. I'd love to be proven wrong as like Moyes he's buying nobodies and doing alright in the Premir League.

Martinez: No. Only signing of Lukaku was good judgement. The other signings were like gambles. Will take us down and we'll be lost for a decade at least in internal changes and more manager changes.

Rooney with Dunc all the way. Training ground respect, off the field done it all, tactical respect, played against Messi and Iniesta, played with Ronaldo, worked under Sir Alex Ferguson, played when the chips are down, managed when the chips are down, hounded by the media for mistakes and handles it calmly (no worse than some government leaders, so we should let Rooneys bygones be bygones), captained in big competitions. It's all there.

Finally, if the lads play for Rooney and Dunc, with players like England's No 1 and Brazil's No 9 in the team, we'll win a few games and end up mid-table. There are good players here already, just need a manager the lads really want to play for.

Rob Halligan
538 Posted 17/01/2022 at 18:05:17
Sky Sports News yet again reporting Martinez is unlikely to return as Belgium won't release him.

So, as I said earlier, you can all put your defibrillators away.

Mike Gaynes
539 Posted 17/01/2022 at 18:08:06
Whew, thanks, Rob. I was getting winded with my kicking and screaming.
Bill Gall
540 Posted 17/01/2022 at 18:10:16
Rob #534,

I think you should read Potters reply when asked about the Everton job. He is well known in the premiership and is tipped for a team in the Top 6 when one becomes available

Sometimes money isn't everything, and as strange as it may seem there are still some people with principals. As he says he is happy with where he is, he is with a well run club, and enjoys working with the chairman and the rest of the staff. So why would he ruin his reputation going to a basket case of a club?

I believe that Everton will find it very difficult to find a manager with another club to leave and join them, unless it is for a fee that he will get if he doesn't turn it around and is fired. This, to me, if it happens, is just hiring another mercenary who is just in it for the money.

It appears that the general consensus at the moment is for either Ferguson or Rooney till the end of the season and, as Tim Sherwood said, Rooney may be a risk but surely he couldn't do any worse than Benitez.

Phil Wood
541 Posted 17/01/2022 at 18:12:19
Rob @538,

Belgium must be bloody stupid. Best squad in the World and they can't win a carrot. I would railroad him out to Everton.

Hopefully this is all true and we can dodge the bullet.

Evidently Graham Potter is happy at Brighton. Wouldn't know who could do this job long term and make it a success.

Poison Chalice of all Poison Chalices. Any new Manager would be working for a Board of lunatics.

Andy Riley
542 Posted 17/01/2022 at 18:13:00
Hopefully the Roberto Martinez rumours are a deliberate smokescreen to allow confidential negotiations with a proper candidate.

I recall from my youth that we came close to appointing both Don Revie and Bobby Robson at separate times but both processes were scuppered when they each withdrew when news leaked out ahead of completion.

Neil Lawson
543 Posted 17/01/2022 at 18:14:07
I was going to say that there is more chance of me popping in between the sheets with Amanda Holden than Bobby Brown Shoes making a success of a return to Goodison. Hopefully the Belgians do put their foot down or that Bobby realises just how stupid it would be.

(Amanda. If you are reading this. I can provide you with my contact details... 😉 )

Brian Williams
544 Posted 17/01/2022 at 18:14:30
Jason #537

I'm still not sure about Potter. Nice football, but I just don't see him winning loads of trophies soon.

Jason, but you can see us winning lots of trophies?

Methinks we need a dose of realism here. This isn't the '80s, we're an also-ran and have been for a long time mate.

Mike Kehoe
545 Posted 17/01/2022 at 18:14:47
Do we really think the board are stupid enough to hire a man they paid a fortune in compensation to not long ago and who has done nothing at all with probably the finest squad of players on the planet?

Yes, we are fucked.

He will be selling Moshiri dogshit as caviar and clueless unfit unmotivated hapless individuals as ‘phenomenal moments', that the cacophony of boos is really praise for our chairman who is not but naked but resplendent in the finest hand crafted garb.

If this was another club, I would be pissing myself.

Phil (Kelsall) Roberts
546 Posted 17/01/2022 at 18:17:24
Hollywood, Hollywood.

Maybe gone are the days but, when Walter Smith stood down, a young Championship manager with a growing reputation came in. Within a few years he banished those dark days of when will we be safe.

Yes, he upset a lot of people on here because he seemed to lack the ambition to challenge the very top and for a while he was quite defensive in his tactics.

But wouldn't we all cry out now for a similar scenario. 2-3 years of stability and knowing the big "R" is out of the question and then move on and up again.

So who is there in the 3 divisions lower that you would suggest? Who are the European managers in unfashionable clubs? And let us forget for a while the Hollywood managers with big reputations and termination packages to match.

Jason Li
547 Posted 17/01/2022 at 18:17:37
Brian @ 544

My crystal ball had a little rub. Rooney has a midas touch in football as a player and won everything at club level. Hopefully as a manager as well at club level.

But yeah... who am I kidding! Even Martinez isn't that positive.

Tony Everan
548 Posted 17/01/2022 at 18:18:38
A couple of humorous posts from wags in the Liverpool Echo comments.

“How about Franny Jeffers with Jose Baxter as his assistant?”

“Most Everton fans would rather have syphilis than Martinez”

David McMullen
549 Posted 17/01/2022 at 18:19:15
Didn't see what Harry Potter said but this, plus Benitez, plus Martinez, plus the previous mistakes, I think the whole world of football is laughing at us.

Managers with sense backing off – why would they want to manage a club like us? While other managers know what ever happens it's money, money, money.

I think we're utterly clueless and rudderless. Before long we're going to be up the old creek. I'm seething at the joke way the club is being run and we the fans are just an after-thought.

Soren Moyer
550 Posted 17/01/2022 at 18:20:13
Latest round of rumors : According to AS "Everton make contact with Nuno Espirito Santo again to replace Rafa Benitez"!
Brian Wilkinson
551 Posted 17/01/2022 at 18:24:53
Only one I can see who fits your criteria, Phil, is Chris Galtier.
Rob Halligan
552 Posted 17/01/2022 at 18:28:01
If that's the case, Soren, then time to dig those defibrillators out again as we get set for more TW'ers going ape shit over a rumour.
Allen Rodgers
553 Posted 17/01/2022 at 18:29:29
Saw the Potter interview, he reminds me of my old Geography teacher.

I don't doubt his ability but he's very comfortable at Brighton, why would he take a chance on us?

Mark Ryan
554 Posted 17/01/2022 at 18:30:37
Victor Anichebe saying on Sky Sports News:

"If Everton go back in for Martinez, it's a joke, simple as that. Why? he asks, it's just a joke"

Well said, Vic, good on yer. It beggars belief that Graeme Sharp, who has just joined our board, has agreed to this. I don't see any rumblings saying the board is split or he's already walked.

Who, in their right mind would sanction this as even a good idea, never mind approaching him, for fuck's sake???

Our board are clueless. We are doomed if Graeme Sharp, Kenwright et al cannot see that Martinez is not the answer.

Even Vic called it: "What has Martinez won with Belgium? Nothing!!" he said. He has the best 11 players at his disposal but they are not a team. <>Phenomenal!!!!!

Bill Gall
556 Posted 17/01/2022 at 18:31:06
Another rumor: Steve Bruce is still available, if you can get the smile off his face after his last firing.
Tony Abrahams
557 Posted 17/01/2022 at 18:31:46
What kind of people think they should go back and re-employ a manager that was sacked six years ago, because he was taking the team backwards?

This club has never felt so unprofessional, or had a squad of players with such limited pragmatism, or so many people involved, appearing to protect their own interests.

Those rumours make sense Soren, because just like Kenwright, I've heard Joorabchian is also very good at playing Moshiri.

Gary Willock
558 Posted 17/01/2022 at 18:32:12
I can accept Martinez back, especially if he appoints a defensive number 2 alongside Henry as a number 2 too. My other condition is there is a quality DOF coming before summer, as I think Martinez would be ideal alongside a DoF.

I can't accept a split role though, where he isn't 100% focused on us, and only us.

The last thing we need is procrastination at this stage. If there are any blockers at all, then stop fecking around Everton and appoint Duncan and/or Wayne – No!!

Don't give any indication that it's only short term, if it's dunc or Wayne then give at least an 18 month contract, and make it clear to the squad that they are the boss. Let them be as ruthless as Benitez was with anyone not giving it all.

My personal belief is the atmosphere in the squad is unbelievably bad because of Rafa's personal gobshite style…. players dropped without explanation, absolutely nobody praised when they do okay, micromanaged instructions drilling out any freedom of thought and expression, etc.

Despite all the negativity about players (even if still too many to be negative about), in Pickford, Mina, Godfrey, Branthwaite, Doucoure, Allan, Richarlison, Gray, Calvert-Lewin, Gordon (and hopefully the two new fullbacks) we've got the tools to get out of the shit we are in. The ingredient is a manager who will positively motivate them.

I think Bobby, Dunc, or Wayne will all do that… so just get on with it, for fuck's sake, Blues.

Darren Hind
559 Posted 17/01/2022 at 18:33:20
Kinsella,

The plonker awards have all long since been presented and you cleaned up.

If Ferguson did get the gig, he would be trying to stop the slide which started back in March with the fella you happy-clapped till your hands were sore. That slide has not just continued, it has gathered pace.

Ferguson would not have any money to bring in his own players. He would have to halt the free-fall with the same players your boys didn't have the courage to play football with. In other words, he cant fail. Carlo and Rafa have already done that on our behalf.

The hilarious thing about this, is you and a couple of others on here have hammered Ferguson for non-footballing reasons. Proper vindictive stuff which has nothing to do with Everton. Now the future of the club may lay in the hands of an Evertonian you clearly despise. The real plonkers (you) are very easy to spot on here. They're the ones standing in the corner they painted themselves into.

You only have to read these threads to see the call for Ferguson to be given the job has reached something of a crescendo and that is spreading through Evertonia. Tens, hundreds of thousands will be worried sick to think that Kieran Kinsella will see them as plonkers if Ferguson didn't rescue us from this nightmare on a budget of nothing.

Win-win? Not for you it ain't.

Sam Hoare
561 Posted 17/01/2022 at 18:34:02
Phil @546; there's a manager in the Championship that has Fulham scoring bucket loads (20 more than nearest rival!)

In all seriousness I reckon Chris Wilder would do a decent job. Maybe Mark Warburton or Valerian Ismael? Or of course Rooney.

In terms of unfashionable managers maybe Ange Postecoglou or Uri Fischer or Sebastian Hoeness?

Alex Gray
562 Posted 17/01/2022 at 18:39:05
If Nuno gets the job, I'm done with the club and want Moshiri gone. Turgid football and both Wolves and Spurs are miles better when they gave him the boot.

I'm over these defensive dinosaurs who offer nothing but dull game after dull game. I recognise we're not an attractive proposition currently but, after Ancelotti and Benitez, you'd think we'd learn.

Podcast on YouTube summed it up. “I was overjoyed for about an hour when Rafa was sacked... only to realise the Board have to pick someone else.” Say what you want about Kenwright (who I want out), at least Moyes and Martinez had positive periods. I'd argue every single manager since has been a disaster.

Anthony Dove
563 Posted 17/01/2022 at 18:40:15
I am sure all the speculation over reappointing someone we sacked 6 years ago is just a bad dream and I will wake up and find that Benitez is still here (just joking on that bit).
Paul Smith
564 Posted 17/01/2022 at 18:40:55
Have the club actually said who is in charge of the team? Even on an interim basis?
Brent Stephens
565 Posted 17/01/2022 at 18:42:38
Sam, I'd welcome some more analysis of some of those names. I have to admit I don't know enough about them.
Eddie Dunn
566 Posted 17/01/2022 at 18:42:47
The BBC seem confident that Everton have made inquiries about Martinez. I suppose we shouldn't be surprised, with an owner who is clueless, and a Chairman who has almost drowned in a bath of sentiment and romanticism.

The suffering of us fans will go on and on if these two buffoons continue in their private pantomime. I have enjoyed many of the insightful posts above and as Jamie points out, the simple plan of a 3-man midfield will be a huge and obvious step in the right direction.

The pig-headedness of Benitez was his undoing. He realised that fundamentally the set-up was flawed. He was his own worst enemy, his heavy-handed player relations merely illustrated that his particular style of control-freakery would not galvanise the group, only split them like the fanbase.

Ironically, he could probably have sorted out the mess he inherited. The on-field mess was one he made worse. Change scares people. Players see their comfy worlds challenged.

Bielsa and his ideas seem to inspire his Leeds players, Her Klopp and his Jeckle and Hyde puppetmastery can cajole or bully his players. Martinez blew smoke up their arses and Rafa pulled no punches. Neither worked.

Players have to buy in to the project. It's so easy for them to down tools and get their boss sacked. The new man needs to have a vision, a plan, a way to play and open to give all the players a chance. He needs to keep them on board until he can get rid of a few. Potter, Ferguson, Rooney would all stand a chance. Our biggest problems are in the boardroom and the players know this too.

The problem that we are left with is that now the whole world and Danny's dogs know that our club is structurally unsound and the owner is slowly becoming known as not just the man who pumped in £500M but the idiot who paid various men to waste it for him.

We will find it very hard to attract anyone with real kudos.

Dale Self
567 Posted 17/01/2022 at 18:45:51
I forgot about Chris Wlder Sam. Sensible stuff as always.
Graham Mockford
568 Posted 17/01/2022 at 18:46:41
I’ve not got any problems with Ferguson or Rooney or any of the host on names discussed her. They will all have pros and cons and like any new appointment come with some risk.

But Martinez would be sheer lunacy. The current administration sacked him for fucks sake. I’ve never heard anything so fucking bonkers in all my life. Even worse there’s talk of him continuing with the Belgium job. How quickly Moshiri has taken a stable if averagely performing club to one that is now a shambolic laughing stock.

Kim Vivian
569 Posted 17/01/2022 at 18:47:28
Who's taking the training this today/this week? We've got a (very important 6 pointer) match in 5 days.
Soren Moyer
570 Posted 17/01/2022 at 18:48:26
Rob 552, Just bought a few defibrillator shares on the stock market. Just in case. You never know with our board of chimps lol.
Brent Stephens
571 Posted 17/01/2022 at 18:49:32
I suspect a Martinez appointment will be similar to the Benitez appointment in the sense that, once results start to take a turn for the worse, then the knives will be out. I suspect there'll be little patience (which clearly we've all got loads of).
David McMullen
572 Posted 17/01/2022 at 18:51:02
Everton can make enquiries for all they like but they can f-right off if they appoint people like Nuno and Martinez. I like Martinez but I think the club must have blanked out the period when it was just as toxic as it's been with Benitez. Don't people remember 'Baines is one of us'? Bring in Dunc for now and let's see after that.

Robert Tressell
573 Posted 17/01/2022 at 18:54:47
Sam # 561, what do you think of Dyche? He didn't make your list of interesting candidates.

Personally, I think he would be taken more seriously if he didn't have a ginger goatee and a silly voice.

Despite being very unglamorous, he has achieved much more with Burnley than some of your decent shouts have.

His problem is that his tactics and approach is suited to average players, and it wouldn't obviously translate well to better players. It's a bit rudimentary and unsophisticated. As Danny says earlier in the thread, it's more depressing low block football (although isn't that also what Ferguson did?)

His benefit is that he can organise a defense, motivate a side and find a way to score goals.

I could see him getting a decent return from a 4411:

- Pickford
- Patterson / Kenny / Holgate
- Mykolenko / Godfrey
- Keane
- Mina / Branthwaite
- Allan / Davies
- Doucoure
- Townsend
- Gordon
- Gray / Richarlison / El Ghazi
- DCL

It would be a climb down, an acceptance that we're not going to trouble the top 4 (or 6) any time soon or even attempt decent football.

But having seen Ancelotti give up on decent football, I wonder what any manager is going to achieve.

Tommy Carter
574 Posted 17/01/2022 at 18:55:06
@554

Interesting how Anichebe is not keen on the manager that sold him practically as soon as he could.

Some good judgement from Martinez on an extremely limited player who somehow survived at Everton for so long on very lucrative contracts.

Soren Moyer
575 Posted 17/01/2022 at 18:57:29
Our club is doing so badly that "Manager of the Year" isn't an award.
It's an appointment !
Dale Self
576 Posted 17/01/2022 at 18:57:57
Well at least we have an answer to the question, “is it Bill or is it Mosh?”

Yes

Daniel A Johnson
577 Posted 17/01/2022 at 18:58:38
Rooney no way ……. He’s in a pressure free bubble at Derby where he can’t lose.

Would be a massive risk putting him in charge if it suddenly went sour or he’s caught in a hotel with his pants down again.

It has to be Ferguson until the end of the season.

Stephen Beattie
578 Posted 17/01/2022 at 18:59:58
Jobs for the boys? I’d have Rooney, Ferguson, Baines, Jags and, shortly, Seamus.
Daniel A Johnson
579 Posted 17/01/2022 at 19:01:15
Rob #573

Around 3-4 yrs ago I’d have considered Dyche but not now his team and style of play is out right thuggery. Football has now passed him by.

Tony Heron
580 Posted 17/01/2022 at 19:03:44
Graham @ 568. I can only agree 100% with your summing up, "sheer lunacy", for even considering Martinez. Has Moshiri forgotten the banners over Goodison, the fans refusing to leave the ground in protest. The end of season awards being cancelled. His 1st season was great but it was downhill from then on. The football was dire but he would talk about how brilliant we were and point to the possession we would have, due to the fact we would take 200 passes to get to the halfway line!! I recall an evening game at Goodison against Hull where we drew 1 all. It was the worst game of football I've ever witnessed since I first stepped into GP in 1960. To repeat " sheer lunacy"!
Sam Hoare
581 Posted 17/01/2022 at 19:04:52
Robert@573, Phil had asked for some lower league coaches hence no Dyche.

Dyche would probably get us safe. He deserves plaudits for what he’s done at Burnley but I don’t know that his style would endear him to the Goodison faithful. Maybe he’s capable of better stuff with better players but I dunno if we could offer him that!

To be honest this a mission impossible; even Pep might struggle to get a tune out of this lot so I’m finding it hard to know which direction to go in. My gut says Dyche would not be a good fit long term but who knows?

Michael Connelly
582 Posted 17/01/2022 at 19:08:40
If Henry came in with Martinez, it would be a far more palatable appointment. I think Henry is shrewd and wouldn't let certain elements like fitness and defence be neglected!
Clive Rogers
583 Posted 17/01/2022 at 19:08:48
Robert, 573, Burnley are adrift at the very bottom of the league for God’s sake.
Ian Burns
584 Posted 17/01/2022 at 19:11:45
We need Rooney’s Championship level experience to get us back up next season
Dave Ganley
585 Posted 17/01/2022 at 19:12:46
I understand that the board make decisions, but right now, it takes a special kind of stupid to split an already fractured fanbase even further by even considering Martinez – much less publicise it. The fans need to be united right now after everything thats gone on and this would just rip the club apart. How is it possible to be so out of touch with the fans?

Fucking idiots all of them who sit on the board with Kenwright and Moshiri the biggest of the lot.

After Benitez going I was actually looking forward to a bear pit atmosphere on Saturday but if Martinez is installed it'll be awful.

I'm just stunned they're even considering it. They seem to forget that Martinez started the toxic atmosphere at Goodison and its not got any better since. Stupidity at its finest

Tony Everan
586 Posted 17/01/2022 at 19:13:59
Sam, lower league coaches.

I’m surprised you didn’t give Steve Coooer a mention. He has turned around a basket case malfunctioning Forest into a competitive football team again, from relegation play off possibles, just saw of Arsenal in the FA cup.

Coming up against our Wayne Rooney this weekend, it’ll be interesting to see who comes out on top. By the way I’m not advocating him, just flagging up that he has made a noticeable managerial impact. Must be doing something right.

Bill Gienapp
587 Posted 17/01/2022 at 19:16:18
As always with these managerial debates, it's clear that - aside from someone like Conte - there isn't anything close to a consensus choice. One person will make an impassioned, well-reasoned argument for a particular candidate, and someone else will argue the complete opposite. It's all a little exhausting.

Anyway, I'd be fine with Dunc getting the gig for the rest of the season. Like many, I have questions about how sustainable his approach is (fueled heavily by raw passion, which already seemed to be running on fumes by the Arsenal match)... but it's not like I don't have serious questions about everyone else that appears realistic.

Colin Glassar
588 Posted 17/01/2022 at 19:17:01
I doubt we’ll have a manager in situ for the Villa game. Duncan and Bainsey will be in charge.

Andrew Lloyd Webber will be appointed manager during the international break. He’s kenshite’s bezzie.

Robert Tressell
589 Posted 17/01/2022 at 19:20:20
Thanks, Sam. Misunderstood your earlier post.

At the moment, we're looking at a 6 month stop gap or (based on most names in the hat) someone likely to be sacked before the end of next season.

Dyche is one of the only ones we could realistically appoint now who I can see having a chance of grinding it out for much longer than 18 months (the record since Martinez left).

I take the point Clive #583 but who would you rather have organising our defensive set pieces? Martinez or Dyche?

This is not me getting evangelical about a new ginger messiah, but worrying about the very real limitations of more glamorous names.

Sam Hoare
590 Posted 17/01/2022 at 19:21:44
Tony@586, yes, should have included Cooper; good manager.
Bill Gienapp
591 Posted 17/01/2022 at 19:29:03
The main objection to Dyche seems to be that he's a high floor, low ceiling type. But right now, we should probably be more concerned with the floor than the ceiling.
Clive Mitchell
592 Posted 17/01/2022 at 19:31:02
I think it's reasonable to say that there is a very wide range of opinions on this site.

I think it's also reasonable to say that the Goodison Park 40,000 would be less likely than contributors here to regard any of the appointments under consideration with vitriol. For example, Benitez got a decent reception in game 1.

As one of the 40,000, I'm heartily sick today of hearing self-appointed supposed spokespeople for the fans on outlets like Five Live and Talks**** pontificate as if the vast majority of Everton fans would oppose Roberto Martinez's return. It's not true, the great majority would welcome him back.

Gary Willock
593 Posted 17/01/2022 at 19:31:11
Why would Burnley let Dyche go, right now, to one of their direct relegation rivals?

Utterly bizarre thought processes.

Bobby Mallon
594 Posted 17/01/2022 at 19:37:44
Neil Critchley anyone
Bob Skelton
595 Posted 17/01/2022 at 19:38:15
I know we are a basket-case club at the moment but Martinez!!

We can't defend now and we couldn't under him, he started this all off. We can't keep mentioning all of these top-flight managers who are use to quality players, not the crap we've got.

We need a good, pragmatic manager who can set up a good defence and hope to catch teams on the break and at least give us some stability. Search the lower leagues surely these types should be around!

Anyone who doesn't pick Rondon, Keane and Gomes would be a start. I'll be at Goodison against the Villa, hoping for big Dunc to get the crowd up and play some youngsters.

COYB – stop breaking our hearts.

Clive Mitchell
596 Posted 17/01/2022 at 19:38:42
Dave, 309 - brilliant.
Robert Tressell
597 Posted 17/01/2022 at 19:39:53
That's essentially my position, Bill. We've pretended to be an ambitious club for a few years and made a pigs ear of it. We need to steady things before they get even worse, climb back into the top half and build for the long term in the background.

Too many short cuts, not enough substance.

Johnny Rainford
599 Posted 17/01/2022 at 19:41:41
The poll states that 84% of 503 polled would oppose a Martinez return.
Joe McMahon
600 Posted 17/01/2022 at 19:42:28
Robert Tressell, please see my my post @520. No to Dyche and why.
Soren Moyer
601 Posted 17/01/2022 at 19:44:11
Will Dunc still be a part of the coaching staff of the new manager? He seems to have a contract for life with the club!

How about Erik ten Hag? We can talk to him in the summer if we survive this season!

Andrew Keatley
602 Posted 17/01/2022 at 19:46:03
I do not want Martinez back, but I do have to take exception with anyone criticising him for not winning a major trophy with Belgium. For those that think Belgium have the best squad in international football, I would strongly disagree with them - and I’d strongly dispute whether they have the best first-choice XI either. For me it’s a myth that lots of people have merrily swallowed based on the number of big name players they have for such a small country. But they were probably strongest 4 years ago, and have lost Kompany since then, while Vertonghen and Alderweireld are hanging on in there now.

In reality there is not a huge amount of depth in Belgian football, and without six or seven star players (De Bruyne, Lukaku, Mehrtens, Hazard, Tielemans, Witsel, Courtois) their squad is fair to middling. There are some good young players coming through (like Doku, De Ketelaere and Verschaeren) but they have an ageing squad and their golden generation is nearly over. There is much greater depth in Brazil, Argentina, France, Germany, and England - and even though they may lack the usual concentration of “big name” players I’d say that Italy, Spain and the Netherlands are also in better shape for the next four-year cycle than Belgium are.

Winston Williamson
603 Posted 17/01/2022 at 19:51:14
Looking at the serious options currently available, we’ve got to give Duncan Ferguson the chance.

He’s not got experience? He’s never left the club and has no ambition?

He’s a huge Everton fan. The club saved his career. He may feel obligated to stay as long as he’s wanted. I call it loyalty.

How is he to get experience without the opportunity to gain it?

If I was Moshiri, I’d tell Duncan he has until the summer to show what he can do. If he gets midtable, he gets a two year deal.

It’ll be pleasing to know, if these cowardly fucks we call players put in a shitshow, he’s gonna give them both barrels. No commitment in training? You ain’t playing son. No commitment in first 45 mins? You’re coming off son.

Just give him the fucking job!

Keith Harrison
604 Posted 17/01/2022 at 19:53:44
Clive (592). Are you putting yourself up for spokesman for the 40,000?
I am one too, and I can honestly say that all other match going Evertonians I know - admittedly not huge, I'm not from Merseyside - are vehemently against Martinez.
It may be as I say, that my sample is far far less than any knowledge of the fans you may have, but no-one wants Martinez back that I do know of.
Sean Kelly
605 Posted 17/01/2022 at 19:57:18
I don’t care who we get al long as they can motivate and organise a team. Even the gummy granny Rooney shagged can do that
Jamie Crowley
606 Posted 17/01/2022 at 19:58:08
Robert Tressell -

But having seen Ancelotti give up on decent football, I wonder what any manager is going to achieve.

And that brilliant point is the best argument for why Roberto is NOT the right pick at this time.

Anyone on this site knows I was, and still am, a Roberto fan. I've stated the reasons ad nauseam here and won't do so again.

But with the state of our defending, and how close we are presently to the drop, I fear Roberto would try to implement his brand of football, and that is not what we need at this moment in time.

It simply has to be Dunc. He'll bring passion back, and you'll see the player's effort increase. A more simplistic, but most importantly a non-boring brand, of football will be played under a fella who conducted himself marvelously in his cameo as manager.

There's really only one choice in my mind.

IF Roberto comes back, I'll be genuinely scared of what could befall us. But I will, without question, be 100% behind him.

But Dunc for me all day long. Right man at the right time.

Also Andrew @ 602 - marvelous points, great post. The depth of that squad is threadbare. One red, never mind a string of 3 games in 7-8 days in these major tournaments, hurts that talented starting 11 of Belgium. I don't know how you lay that at Roberto's feet.

Steve Mink
607 Posted 17/01/2022 at 19:59:39
Niko Kovač appears to be the best available option, but then I favoured the Benitez decision so what do I know.
Dave Ganley
608 Posted 17/01/2022 at 20:01:14
Clive #592, as one of the 40000 myself, I very much doubt under the current circumstances that Martinez would be welcomed back with open arms. We all still remember how toxic it was when he was sacked. If he hadn't have managed us and slowly killed us by death of a thousand cuts then I might agree with your assessment. As it is, the fact that he started this rot is still very raw with me and I suspect many match goers. He may not get dogs abuse but he certainly wouldn't be welcomed in my opinion. The match goers give managers a fair crack and Martinez definitley had a fair crack of the whip and it ended with banners and planes flown over demanding he be sacked. What on earth has changed that much that he'd be welcomed back?
Peter Carpenter
609 Posted 17/01/2022 at 20:03:45
At least the Bilic rumour seems to have gone away. Hope this one follows.
Mike Gaynes
610 Posted 17/01/2022 at 20:05:10
Sam and Robert, speaking of managers at unfashionable clubs, what are your thoughts on Diego Martinez?

Trained at Sevilla under Emery and Sampaoli. Got Granada promoted into La Liga and won almost half his games there, including quarterfinals of the Europa League. Currently unemployed. Effusive in his enthusiasm for English football... recent tour included taking in a game at Goodison and marveling at the sheer volume of Everton's fans:

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2021/nov/29/diego-Martinez-i-saw-english-football-and-i-had-to-experience-it

I'd pick him above any of the other names I've seen here. But you guys see more managers than I do. Whattya think?

Mike Kehoe
611 Posted 17/01/2022 at 20:07:04
I wonder if the board ever contacted Moyes about a return? Sad to say but since his exit the club has floundered under the weighty incompetence of so many. I always wondered what Moyes and money might achieve.
Of all the potential candidates the only one I feel any confidence in right now has got to be Ferguson, nice to think he may do well and be a long term solution.
Barry Hesketh
612 Posted 17/01/2022 at 20:08:13
When Walter Smith was sacked in 2002, there was no talk of interim managers, there were 9 games left out of 42 and Moyes got the gig. When Mike Walker bit the dust, again no mention of temporary managers, and Big Joe got the gig. There are justifiable reasons for appointing a short-term caretaker manager, such as Duncan's last stint, because the owner had lined up Ancelotti, and previously when Martinez was dismissed and Unsworth/Royle took over.

When Koeman was dismissed, the same situation as now arose, but significantly earlier in the campaign, and Unsworth oversaw quite a few games before Moshiri eventually appointed Allardyce,

I would argue that the board have to bite the bullet on this and appoint the best available candidate ASAP.

Offer an 18 month full-time contract to Duncan Ferguson and if he turns it down, ask him to leave the club, as his refusal would make it clear that he doesn't have the self belief or desire to be more than he is now and his removal, wouldn't saddle a new manager with a perhaps unwanted assistant.

The club do have a small window following the Villa game, but seeing as every point is vital, it has to be resolved by the end of January at the very latest, but how many managers are willing to take over at the end of the transfer window, knowing they can't make any changes to the squad as it stands?

Bobby Mallon
613 Posted 17/01/2022 at 20:08:23
Mark Robbins
Alan Johnson
614 Posted 17/01/2022 at 20:10:55
Ferguson must be the obvious choice in the short term and see how it goes.
Robert Tressell
615 Posted 17/01/2022 at 20:12:23
Andrew, this is one of those rare life affirming moments when it turns out we agree with each other.

To other posters regarding Dyche, I guess the point is that he's done what Ferguson is likely to do from a footballing perspective - but with a track record.

I don't want him as our manager, I want a progressive DoF and a talented young manager / coach to work alongside. I've given up much hope on that score though unfortunately.

I suppose there is some vague chance of that materialising in summer but honestly of all the names I've seen linked I expect all to last no more than a year or so.

Ferguson might be right for the next 6 months but that's it. I'm marginally in favour of him being our least worst option of those reputedly in the running.

I just find it surprising (or maybe unsurprising) that Dyche never gets a mention.

What a mess.

Dread to think what is going through Mykolenko's mind right now.

Barry Hesketh
616 Posted 17/01/2022 at 20:12:36
Mike @ 611
Why would Moyes leave relatively high-flyiing West Ham where he has been supported with money and at a club that has a new ambitious owner, to join a club that is possibly in as bad a state as when he first walked through the Goodison Road entrance twenty-years ago?
Nick Bower
617 Posted 17/01/2022 at 20:15:03
One gets the feeling that Moshiri having blazed his latest penalty kick miles off target, has simply handed over responsibility for the next spot-kick to his mate Bill. As flies to wanton boys is this club and its fans to these high & mighty imbecilic “custodians”. Their staggering stupidity & self-righteousness will take our club down, if not checked.
Nick Bower
618 Posted 17/01/2022 at 20:15:03
One gets the feeling that Moshiri having blazed his latest penalty kick miles off target, has simply handed over responsibility for the next spot-kick to his mate Bill. As flies to wanton boys is this club and its fans to these high & mighty imbecilic “custodians”. Their staggering stupidity & self-righteousness will take our club down, if not checked.
James Newcombe
619 Posted 17/01/2022 at 20:15:10
611 Mike, I heard a deal for him was almost done, but then Ancelotti confirmed his interest and that was that. The consensus on social media and on here at the time, was not positive about a Moyes return to say the least! He won’t be leaving West Ham for some time now.
John Keating
620 Posted 17/01/2022 at 20:17:24
Just watching Celtic v Hibs
Shaun Maloney the new Hibs manager has them playing his way now.
Maloney was Martinez's number 2 at Belgium and now I remember how we were and how we will play if the Brown shoes guy returns.
From front foot attacking football which is Hibs style they are now playing sideways backwards sideways footy
Nightmare
Mike Gaynes
621 Posted 17/01/2022 at 20:18:19
I wouldn't worry about Mykolenko, Robert. He knew he was joining a struggling club, but at 22, from the angle of effing Kiev, the Premier League is the opportunity of a lifetime. I guarantee you he's not shopping online for air tickets back home. He'll be fine.
Brian Temple
622 Posted 17/01/2022 at 20:20:38
Bobby Mallon I agree that Neil Critchley would be a good shout. Only blot in his copy book is his affiliation with the Reds.

If we want to see the likes of Simms getting game time he's more likely to do it. The primadonnas in the squad probably won't like him as he'll be a "who is he" but we're more likely to see the youngsters getting a look in, especially the likes of Branthwaite.

Robert Tressell
623 Posted 17/01/2022 at 20:21:36
To be honest Mike I don't know much about the guy you mention.

However, I do believe that none of Silva, Ancelotti and Benitez are atrocious managers - and I also know that the behind the scenes situation at Everton is very seriously wrong and has been for many years.

Therefore, I have no hope someone like that has much chance of succeeding where others have failed. Not right now anyway.

The club management is the real problem.

I've said many times on this site that often ordinary managers get a lot of credit for what's been put in place at some well run clubs - like Wolves, Brighton and places like Ajax.

If we get the behind the scenes stuff right, we might suddenly find that our managers become much more competent of a sudden.

Fonseca, Garcia, Martinez etc would just be the next problem to solve in 12 to 18 months' time.

So Ferguson for 6 months while we do some soul searching and figure out a proper solution.

Barry Hesketh
624 Posted 17/01/2022 at 20:26:33
Whichever manager that Everton approach, will surely do their homework and take an overview of the financial state of the club, before they even agree to talk to the Owner. Swiss Ramble has some figures at hand to guide any prospective managers.

Swiss Ramble EFC financials

Ray Robinson
625 Posted 17/01/2022 at 20:31:52
Duncan for 6 months while we re-assess seems to be the most sensible option but, in accordance with good management practice, what would be our contingency in the event that after half a dozen games there was no new manager bounce? Don't have the answer and it doesn't bear thinking about - except somebody needs to. It's not a given that Dunc turns it around.
Mike Kehoe
626 Posted 17/01/2022 at 20:34:05
Barry 616 and Nick 619
I wasn’t advocating a move for Moyes now as he obviously wouldn’t leave West Ham and there was also the vitriolic responses posted by so many against his return, something I found very confusing: many established posters reacted as if incest or Morris dancing was being proffered. I was more thinking about how in the fucking hell could anyone ever consider going backwards for a manager of the astonishing ineptitude of Martinez while discounting out of hand someone who built a solid and dependable team on a relative shoestring.
It feels a little like a Moyes return was considered the sentimental choice of our very own hopelessly romantic teary fool, rather than a pragmatic professional decision by people with an actual clue about football.
Colin Malone
627 Posted 17/01/2022 at 20:35:59
Moshiri wants to get his arse over here and see and feel the feelings of the supporters at this moment in time. Instead of being in Monaco or New York, in his penthouse suite, receiving and sending emails / text messages on the clubs next move, as you obviously did when giving Benitez the managers job.

So get yourself over here and listen to the people who care most about Everton Football Club. The Fans.

Anthony Jones
628 Posted 17/01/2022 at 20:38:06
Absolute clowns.

The game was up when he received his payoff.

The players were onto his lack of interest in basic fitness, and our defensive organisation was poor.

Didn't his sycophantic side-kick have a row with some of the players towards the end? It sounded pretty toxic.

We are a joke of a club.

Mike Gaynes
629 Posted 17/01/2022 at 20:46:57
At the time Moyes' return to the club was under consideration, he'd been unemployed for a year and a half, and had compiled an unbroken litany of failure since leaving Everton. He had flopped at ManUtd and Sociedad, was relegated with Sunderland and had been sacked by West Ham after barely keeping them up. So he'd have been slinking back to an unwelcoming community with his tail between his legs.

Two years on, things look a lot different, but it's hard to imagine he'd have succeeded if he'd come back then.

Sam Hoare
630 Posted 17/01/2022 at 20:48:20
Mike@610, Diego Martinez is quite intriguing. Don’t know much about him but an impressive stint at Granada. And has turned a lot of Spanish clubs down. Would be leftfield but maybe that’s what we need?!

What about Christian Streich at Freiburg? Another leftfield option?! Has been described as a modern day Brian Clough!

Mike Price
631 Posted 17/01/2022 at 20:50:36
Moyes was on his way back, the deal was agreed and he was close to getting on a plane to come up here. Ancelloti became available, Moshiri swooned for another Hollywood manager and that was that.
Justin Doone
632 Posted 17/01/2022 at 20:51:35
Roberto Mancini part time will do for me. Happy to loans himself backs to Italian for their World Cup.

Crazy idea, but I'm an Evertonian so what do you expect.

Anyone else will be sacked by the World Cup anyway so better to care and share rather than churn and burn.

Happy with Niko Kovac, promising career so far with big club and international experience.

Tony Everan
633 Posted 17/01/2022 at 20:54:47
Mike 619, Diego Martinez, thanks for that Guardian link.

Such a good piece, I really enjoyed reading it. He is a student and philosopher. An interesting person who I bet can work on players mentally very well. He certainly done well with Granada . He would surely be a gamble too far for Moshiri though, saying that no other names are dead certs either.

Nick Page
634 Posted 17/01/2022 at 20:55:37
I don’t think we have the luxury of bringing in some exotic untried and untested manger from warmer climes. Like a few have said, Everton’s success has come when ex-Evertonians have been in the hot seat. So let’s try that instead. Seems the logical way forward and would galvanise a disgruntled fanbase. Ferguson might not want it because he might get sacked and that would be his gravy train on the buffers. But that’s a terribly poor argument
Peter Carpenter
635 Posted 17/01/2022 at 20:59:25
There are lots of suggestions on here for the next manager. All of them seem to be thought through and have reasons for the choices. Other clubs change their manager and identify credible replacements quickly. Wolves, Brentford, Southampton, Brighton are all examples of clubs who seem to have done their homework and got in decent managers. Why are the fools who run Everton totally incapable of doing this? They stumble from one unsuitable choice to another with no apparent forward planning whatsoever. Their staggering lack of football knowledge is plain for all to see. Do they have any reasons for turning to Martinez? They like him? He's good company? They can't think of anyone else? We are prisoners of these incompetent idiots and there's not much hope of improvement while they are making the big decisions.
Jamie Crowley
636 Posted 17/01/2022 at 21:02:22
I know this has been said 1000 times, but I can't help myself.

Another reason Roberto is not the right man for the job at this moment:

The number of posts vehemently opposing his appointment, and I mean in the vein of "absofuckinlutely not" kind of protest, is simply off the charts.

This Club needs cohesion from top to bottom, especially within its fanbase.

If we appoint someone that divides opinion, after ridding ourselves of the most controversial and dividing appointment possibly ever in Rafa, we're fucked.

We need somebody we can ALL get behind. Unity, at this juncture, is simply paramount.

Ian Riley
637 Posted 17/01/2022 at 21:02:23
Our run of defeats would mean a plan is ready if rafa is sacked! Surely someone asked the question 3 weeks ago?? Like rafa out Sunday manager in monday. This shows really how we are run. Forward planning is non existent.

Martinez appointment is a smoke screen. Wait for the son of Everton to come home on the white horse! Enter Wayne!!! Bill is a showman! Raise the curtains!!!

Andy Crooks
638 Posted 17/01/2022 at 21:06:01
Ed, @533. Superb post. Everton summed up in a few words.
Justin Doone
639 Posted 17/01/2022 at 21:10:13
Ian 637 I know WR is lined up too. I don’t want him, don't like him and I think he'd further embarras our club on and off the pitch.

That's a NO frome me which is why it will happen.

This will get worse before it gets better.

Grant Rorrison
640 Posted 17/01/2022 at 21:13:32
Moshiri will go for a 'big name' again.
Andy Crooks
641 Posted 17/01/2022 at 21:14:22
Mike @ 610, you might want to reconsider that post. Would you trust our board to have two Martinezs in their head? Anything could happen and it would likely be bad. Let's keep it simple, Mike.
Barry Hesketh
642 Posted 17/01/2022 at 21:19:01
Bill: "Why are you screaming at me Mosh?
Mosh: "I said don't forget my Martini not get me Martinez you foolish old duffer! Sake now I'll have to ring that bloke from Staffordshire again!"
Mike Gaynes
643 Posted 17/01/2022 at 21:19:58
Sam #630, that's not leftfield. That's cornfields. That's Far Off Fields. I think I read something about that guy once. Hasn't he been with the same club for like 30 years?
Peter Jansson
644 Posted 17/01/2022 at 21:21:19
Roberto Martinez?? He is abolutely unfit for being a manager at Everton. He proved completely incompetent when he was here last time.

If the board are considering him they are absolutely crazy.

Andy Crooks
645 Posted 17/01/2022 at 21:25:59
Justin, fair enough opinion. However, we live in the age of no embarrassment. Nothing rules out anyone and, frankly, embarassing Everton would be a big ask.
I really thing we have a short term crisis and Duncan Ferguson would, I believe, get us the points we need. Rooney, also. Both of them more so. Then see what happens.
I would guess we need to get lucky, really lucky. Anyone bar Martinez.
Oliver Molloy
646 Posted 17/01/2022 at 21:26:28
The more I think about it.
We all know that Moshiri and Kenwright love a "hollywood and westend" headline so it's going to be Rooney with Ferguson - right !

Mike Gaynes
647 Posted 17/01/2022 at 21:27:21
Andy #641, I was just thinking that. Maybe we could do an Ali Dia thing here. Bribe BK's secretary to dial the wrong Martinez number. "Mr. Kenwright? I have Mr. Martinez on line 1." He'd be on the pitch at Finch Farm in full Everton kit before these clowns realized they'd hired the wrong guy.
Daniel A Johnson
648 Posted 17/01/2022 at 21:30:26
You like to think that during a large period of poor performance the board would have an evolving list of managers at any given moment just in case they had to pull the trigger.


But no ….it’s more of a case of Moshiri gets out of bed and goes that’s enough and then kenwright starts going through the list of ex managers he still has on his mobile.

Laurie Hartley
649 Posted 17/01/2022 at 21:32:39
Jason # 537 - “There are good players here already, just need a manager the lads really want to play for.”. Spot on
Jamie Sweet
650 Posted 17/01/2022 at 21:38:13
Looking at the league table, surely there's got to be an argument for bringing back Sam Allardyce?

It would be a stupid decision of course, but there's nothing in our recent history which tells me we're capable of making anything other than stupid fucking decisions.

Johnny Rainford
651 Posted 17/01/2022 at 21:41:49
Nick #617

Yep. Kenwright in true hollywood style pronounced when he took over in 99 that he would only be a temporary "custodian" and that he would make it his priority to find a new owner with investment.

22 trophy-less years later he is still around and the club is arguably in a worse place now than it was then. At least Johnson didnt waste away £600M for zero return.

This is what we're dealing with. The reform the club is crying out for cannot happen until he and his mate are removed.

Ped on toffeetv actually called him a cancer on the club last night. Strong words for sure but I think we all catch his drift.

Paul Hewitt
652 Posted 17/01/2022 at 21:48:15
Laurie@649. A manager the lads WANT to play for. That sentence I'm afraid is what's wrong with this club.
Peter Jansson
653 Posted 17/01/2022 at 21:51:19
Seriously, is this a trick? Saying that they are considering Roberto Martinez? I mean, if you want him as a manager you must have deathwish. That would be the same as ordering a relegation.

Do they spread out this rumor so we as supporters would be happy "with anyone else" as a manager?

I mean clearly, Roberto Martinez is incompetent of running a club. He fits good as a manager for the national team, because then he is not responsible for building up the players (which he is incapable of).

If we want to spiral downwards in a quick fashion, then hire Roberto Martinez. That would be like throwing in a hungry fox in a disorganized henhouse.

Ed Prytherch
654 Posted 17/01/2022 at 21:56:36
To those proposing Critchley, did you watch the Blackpool - Hartlepool game? I watched it with my son who is a Blackpool fan. Their best striker was on the bench watching Lavery miss three sitters. Critch is a decent championship manager but he over analyzes opponents and he chops and changes the team too much. At the moment he is good for Blackpool and they should improve together.
Ed Prytherch
655 Posted 17/01/2022 at 22:01:37
Daniel #648 Brands took the manager Rolodex with him when he left.
Jim Marray
656 Posted 17/01/2022 at 22:04:14
Bringing back Martinez is probably the most stupid idea I have ever heard from the board at Goodison, even worse than when they decided not to approach Clough (if anyone rembers the good old rumours from the 70s).
Everton football club is a mess from the boardroom to the academy. The lack of structure, team spirit and work ethic in the senior squad is so dispiriting I'm tempted to start watching Tranmere.
The players' decision making is akin to Boris' party planning. And is endemic, the problems of players taking shots when the defender is stood in front of them is still there even after the departure of Barkley.
This club needs a root and branch rebuild to get it back into shape. Instead of bring in the like of Jeffers as coach it should be looking for people like Queiroz at Utd under Ferguson. All Ferguson had to do on match days was gee the boys up because his coaching staff had already prepared them to play the game.
Rooney's a nice chap and doing OK at Derby but his players are angry and want to play. Ours are happy with the paycheck and the lack of criticism from the people paying the bills. If Moshiri wants things to change he needs to get his head out of Champ Man and start laying down the law around the club's expectations of the players.
Instead of asking the managerial candidates what their ambitions for the club are, start asking them what the problems are and how they will fix them.
And we the fans need to get real, there is no overnight success and bringing in big name managers is the last thing we need and the same is true of big name players too. My advice is statt looking down the leagues and find a manager who is doing well on a small budget and think about whether he can do more with a slightly better one; a manager who has taken ordinary players and made sure their coached so they can step up to the next level. A team nees to or theee good stars but more importit needs ten or eleven support members to give the stars a chance to show off their skills.
If you want overnight success then check for the availability of Roy of the Rovers and Billy the Fish, otherwise patience is the order of the day while reminding the board that the rot invariably starts at the top.
Karen Mason
657 Posted 17/01/2022 at 22:05:32
Martinez? Really? He seems like a very nice man, so this is not personaI, but Oh my God??? I haven't had time yet, to read all of the posts, so somebody may have already posted the old wise saying. Only an idiot persists with the same action, expecting different results. What kind of idiot is Moshiri? If indeed this is Moshiri making the decision again, how, in God's name did he ever become rich, with decision making like this. Or, the lack of ability to delegate to those who know more. I can only hope that Saint Howard is looking down on us & will somehow steer our club in a different direction. My relief when Benitez was sacked, has now been replaced by incredulity & desperation.
Rob Halligan
658 Posted 17/01/2022 at 22:06:12
Paul # 652. So you would rather we have a manager the lads DON'T want to play for?
Neil Lawson
659 Posted 17/01/2022 at 22:06:30
Now it's Mourinho. Heaven help us all.
Rob Halligan
660 Posted 17/01/2022 at 22:08:19
Where's those defibrillators!!
Sam Hoare
661 Posted 17/01/2022 at 22:08:31
Ferguson and Baines taking first team training tomorrow.
Tony Everan
662 Posted 17/01/2022 at 22:12:48
We need some sort of unity to get us to 40 points. I hope someone in the boardroom has a look at the TW poll and sees that 750 fans have so far voted and 85% think Martinez would be a big mistake.

We’ve got no choice to support whoever our enlightened sages deem is best, as it’s the support that will get us over the finishing line this season. But an 85% poll rejection won’t make life any easier for the manager or supporters in adversity . It should make them think twice before re-appointing Roberto.

Paul Hewitt
663 Posted 17/01/2022 at 22:14:40
Rob it's not up to them who they want to play for.They player for whoever the manager is, while earning there big fat pay cheques.
Ray Smith
664 Posted 17/01/2022 at 22:17:54
Johnny 651
BK will never leave.
He’s like a limpet on a rock.
Until he goes, we will never move forward.
Get rid, but how?
He’s like a squatter, who will never leave until he’s forced out!
However, how do we evict him?
I havn’t got a clue, but there must be a way!!!
Is Mashiri a successful businessman that naieve?
I accept he’s probably investing in BMD with his pal Usmanov, but he currently looks like a prize chump!!!!
Rob Halligan
665 Posted 17/01/2022 at 22:18:48
Ok Paul, I get that. You need to be a bit more clear with your posts.
Mike Brownlow
666 Posted 17/01/2022 at 22:25:52
Martinez? They must be crazy..

No more Hollywood managers,
No more ex players with no experience
No more terrible managers
Just an up an coming manager with some real experience for a reasonable number of years to get us some points
Someone who can get the best out of average players and allows us to play some nice football. Someone who can build a team slowly and gets Everton and has some passion...right I have no idea who that is but I bet the board will work their way through all the not wanted options first...

Brian Murray
667 Posted 17/01/2022 at 22:28:39
I wish Tweb would hurry up and get that daft deluded mugshot off the thread title. Hes like the chairman. Totally inept. Can’t stand even looking at him
Soren Moyer
668 Posted 17/01/2022 at 22:33:29
From Twitter.

Untitled

Christy Ring
669 Posted 17/01/2022 at 22:33:58
Moshiri brought in Benitez, one win in 13 games, he took total control, got rid of Donachie and Brands, bought two full backs, sold Digne, two days later was sacked, and rightly so, you couldn't make it up.
Now Kenwright wants Martinez back in charge, the fans are totally divided, and Sharp is supposed to be promoted to give the fans a voice on the board, not to back Bill, you still couldn't make it up.
Put the club first, not their ego's, Ferguson in charge until the end of the season, bring in England u21 coach Lee Carsley, and bring the pride and passion back to the club, hopefully we'll survive, and evaluate in the summer.
Jay Harris
670 Posted 17/01/2022 at 22:35:05
Mickey Mellon would do a better job than Critchley.

Enough of this nonesense I just hope the Belgian FA don't relent.

We need a manager confident in his own abilities with a win rate of around %50 plus who can coach various tactical formations and handle the drssing room.

I said a couple of days ago that I didnt have the answer but Ive been doing a bit more research and I believe Ten Hag could be tempted. The only thing against that is the high failure rate of the Dutch in the English leagues.

Steve Cooper would be a solid if unspectatular appointment.

Could Pochettino (Man U?) or Simeone be tempted?

Is Christophe Gaultier a possibility (He was my choice before Benitez) but again it is a risk.

There are plenty of names out there but there are no guarantees especially with the setup at the club. If ever we needed a "Moyes" type this is it.

Mike Brownlow
671 Posted 17/01/2022 at 22:39:31
Various reports that the Belgian Football Association have blocked Everton’s approach for manager Roberto Martinez. I seriously hope so.
Mike Allison
672 Posted 17/01/2022 at 22:54:59
I’ve got this crazy idea.

We could advertise the job and see who applies.

We could interview the three best applicants.

Then we could decide who was the best applicant and appoint them.

Paul Smith
673 Posted 17/01/2022 at 23:00:00
Mike we did that with Benitez. I can’t believe that anyone at Everton thought bringing back Martinez was a good idea. Shot to bits that boardroom.
Justin Doone
674 Posted 17/01/2022 at 23:02:11
I wonder if it was Brands who wanted Rafa and if not Rafa, who else?
Ian Riley
675 Posted 17/01/2022 at 23:06:47
Am I the only one in shock? I keep bursting out into nervous laughter holding my head and saying this is a joke! Some of the posts on here are of disbelief, numbness and shock. Has to be a smokescreen or a sick joke at the club?

The club is in debt and sorry God knows how much?
Five hundred million pound stadium being built.
No player has a relegation clause to take a pay drop.

Oh yes 6 points off the bottom three with the form of 3 leg horse. We are in shit street here. Wake up everyone!! The league table doesn't lie. We need experience and style of football that gets wins!! Not pretty, but dogs of war mentality.

The board please pick up the phone and call Sam Allardyce. Stuff the snobbery this is reality. We don't have time for a manager to get to know the club and make plans. Points mean premiership status next season!

This is the most dangerous period now in the club's history. Very few big clubs like Everton ever recover from relegation. Do the right thing bill. Sam Allardyce must be hired for six months with a £5 million bonus to keep premiership status next season.


Mike Brownlow
676 Posted 17/01/2022 at 23:06:50
Mike @ 672

It's more like...

We could advertise the job and see who applies.

We could interview the three worst applicants.

Then we could decide who was the worst applicant and offer them the job..

Then change our minds and pick a terrible manager no one wants based on a recommendation from one of my mates...

Mike Brownlow
677 Posted 17/01/2022 at 23:12:59
Id never let Allardyce near this club again..Ferguson would be a better choice to get quick results..my memories not bad enough to forget his reign..no thanks..
Ed Prytherch
678 Posted 17/01/2022 at 23:14:16
Justin, FSW was Moshiri's pick (or prick).
Ed Prytherch
679 Posted 17/01/2022 at 23:16:05
I thought that Allardyce had retired. It will cost an extra 10 Mill to bring him out.
Brian Williams
680 Posted 17/01/2022 at 23:18:26
Allardyce? I've heard the lot now ffs.
Peter Carpenter
681 Posted 17/01/2022 at 23:20:14
Allardyce didn't save Everton last time, we saved ourselves before he arrived. He got relegated in his last job. And he is a museum exhibit now anyway.
Danny O’Neill
682 Posted 17/01/2022 at 23:28:40
Allardyce? Flashbacks and not a thought I want to go to bed to.

People have labelled our last few managers Dinosaurs and maybe with justification because of the style. Maybe the realisation kicked in that they needed better players and reverted to what we had.

Allardyce. A dinosaur, but a Mike Bassett (shamed) England football manager type of dinosaur. Who has now actually been relegated.

Soren Moyer
683 Posted 17/01/2022 at 23:29:33
Get Donald Trump. He is available. Better choice than BBS. Seriously!
Chris Jenkins
684 Posted 17/01/2022 at 23:42:37
At present my main concern is that three points are obtained against Villa this coming Saturday. Hopefully Duncan will be in charge, albeit probably on a temporary basis, and can inspire the team to a win.

I am firmly of the opinion that, based on his experience as both player and coach, he has a fair degree of understanding as to why the club, as a unit, is currently, and has been for some years, not functioning in a way that is acceptable to its loyal and dedicated support.

More importantly, he may have a detailed grasp of the root cause of the present woeful form and how, with the current players at his disposal, combined with the necessary slice of good fortune, he can halt the present slide towards relegation. In his last spell as caretaker manager he displayed an ability to be able to instill sufficient passion and self belief into the squad to achieve a respectable set of results. He may not want the job permanently and that is his prerogative.

I have to confess that I have not been to Goodison for almost two years because, living in north west County Clare, the risk of contracting covid 19, on what is a fairly long return journey, has inevitably made me extremely cautious about rail and air travel. Consequently I am reliant on the media and contributors to Toffeweb in particular for an insight into just how horrendous things are with the club that I have supported for just over sixty years through thick and thin.

In terms of a permanent managerial appointment, I am, however, absolutely astounded at the rumours, and I desperately hope that that is all they turn out to be, about the possible reappointment of Martinez. Of all the Everton teams I've watched in person I can honestly say that, during his tenure, things disintegrated to a level that I had never previously witnessed and hope never to again. He inherited a very decent squad from his predecessor and within two years had undone all the hard work of the previous eleven with only his overdue dismissal preventing a likely relegation. The reappointment of Martinez would make the club a laughing stock.

I realise that I am very much in the minority and will probably attract a barrage of criticism but I honestly believe that an approach should be made to West Ham for permission to talk to David Moyes to see if he could be induced to return to Goodison which he still regards as his spiritual home.

There can be no doubt that he has been the most successful Everton manager of the last twenty years. His ability to work within tight financial constraints and find very capable players at sensible prices at Everton is supported by the evidence. His record at West Ham has attracted criticism by a minority in these columns despite the success he is currently enjoying. I find this disparagement extremely difficult to understand as it is not supported by any objective assessment.

The club is in a very precarious position and relegation must be avoided if at all possible. Nothing is guaranteed but surely the focus must be on the appointment of someone who has solid experience of the Premiership and has achieved a reasonable degree of success. In the current situation the club's survival in the Premiership is surely the most important immediate objective.

Mike Connolly
685 Posted 17/01/2022 at 23:43:33
What a laughing stock we have become to everyone with our team's performances. When you thought it couldn't get any worse, the board have taken us to another level. What is wrong with this club that we keep wanting to bring players and managers back. We had Kendal back three times. We wanted Martinez and Moyes back. Same with the players. Rooney, Stubs, Pienaar and Unsworth. Just dreading the next move the board are going to make. We should be use to it by now. COYB
Oliver Molloy
686 Posted 17/01/2022 at 23:59:50
"Martinez to the Belgians,
" You can't stop me going back to these idiots, Moshiri is offering me even more money this time - I can do both jobs, no problem, I can make a fortune again, this is not fair."

At the press conference " I'm so happy to be back to manage this phenomenal football club with the most incredible owner, chairman and supporters - I promise phenomenal football that will make you proud and I look forward to amazing moments on the football pitch".
Jesus, Mary and St Joseph !

Don Alexander
687 Posted 18/01/2022 at 00:13:47
These are quotes from Graham Potter today, showing he's clearly intent on never even considering joining us;

"I am ambitious. I want to succeed. But I am no magician. I need help. To be successful as a coach, you need good people around you - staff, board, CEO, the strategy of the club, the structures around it, the players. I have got senior players here who are so helpful and supportive.

"We have a fantastic chairman who provides the clarity, vision and support for us all and allows us to get on with our work.

"Everything around the club gives you a chance as a coach."

Well said Mr Potter, for stating the bleeding obvious to everyone not in charge of Everton.

Jamie Crowley
688 Posted 18/01/2022 at 00:26:02
Soren -

Make Everton Great Again!

MEGA

Ed Prytherch
689 Posted 18/01/2022 at 00:52:08
The Derby Telegraph seem to think that it will be Wayne.
Ed Prytherch
690 Posted 18/01/2022 at 00:53:42
Jamie, you will have to change the color of the hat.
Steve Carter
691 Posted 18/01/2022 at 00:58:03
Look, Chris [684], of all the (non-pipe dream) names touted I’d prefer Moyes for the reasons you outline. As for Martinez, words escape me. I’m content with Ferguson in the interim, and if he pulls us out of this shit keep him on.
Mike Gaynes
692 Posted 18/01/2022 at 01:05:49
Jamie, I'm the proud owner of a hat that says exactly that... a gift from none other than Dr David France.

It is, of course, blue. As all proper hats should be.

Ed Prytherch
693 Posted 18/01/2022 at 01:16:08
Rooney is being touted in some English rags.

Derby County are in a hell of a mess. The EFL want assurance that they have the cash flow to finish the season but the administrator cannot guarantee that. They are under a transfer embargo and they had to let Jagielka go last week. A payment from Everton to buy out the remaining 18 months of Wayne's contract might save the club from being kicked out of the EFL. Unfortunately Moshiri is reported to want the "special one"

Don Alexander
694 Posted 18/01/2022 at 01:59:48
When it comes to "our" Wayne as putative manager I cast my mind back to his 1960's equivalent, Sir (and there's no chance of "our" Wayne being accordingly knighted by the way, on account of his rank personal off-field misconduct throughout his playing career) Bobby Charlton.

A brilliant player/scorer/playmaker in his entire career, Charlton was found out to be a mediocre manager at best.

Rooney has addressed basic shortfalls in the players at lowly Derby County admittedly but how that equates with getting any sort of successful tune out of an Everton squad he showed his contempt towards when trying to allegedly get sex whilst "injured" from an alleged lass-on-the-make is beyond me. The squad will remember this.

The squad is now the obviously dysfunctional product of five or six (who's counting by now?) managers kow-towing to ineptitude above them.

Is there therefore a credible manager on the planet with the proven credentials to make things right before the so-called (yet to be funded) "glittering prize to ensure our future as a viable European contender" stadium even begins to rise from the sand?

Let me know folks, because I think the last viable contender was crucified 33 years less (allegedly) than 2022 years ago.

That's the depth of the shit our top brass have engulfed us in.

Kieran Kinsella
695 Posted 18/01/2022 at 02:01:47
Ed,

If Moshiri wants Mourinho he's either certifiably insane or a crack head. His wages alone are beyond our budget. The fact he makes Rafa's football seem exciting is the icing on the cake.

Darren Hinds loved to call Carlo a busted flush but Jose is more like an overflowing cess pit. He had success with a dour style at the end of the Man Utd and Rivaldo's Barcelona all-out attack era. Now he's just a washed up bitter old man with no plan B.

Barry Shearer
698 Posted 18/01/2022 at 02:31:06
I've been an Everton fan since the early ‘70s. Not the longest tenure, I know, but I am really upset at the vitriol, anger, spite and the club I love.

We are in a bad way, it is obvious, but understand what the board is trying to do. Support them. We need to be together here. This is tearing me apart to see so many fans hate what is going on.

Did you disagree with the appointments of Martinez, Koeman, Silva, and Ancelotti at the time? Of course not. Sam was always a stop gap. Rafa was a gamble that sadly did not pay off. I wish it had but it didn't.

Yes, it has not turned out the way we want, but please, we need to stick together, back to the hilt whomever the board select as our manager. If it is Roberto, support him. Get rid of those banners.

We are getting a new stadium, don't forget that and don't forget who is getting us that stadium. Do you remember the King's Dock fiasco? The ridiculous Kirkby move. They have the best interest in our success. Get it. understand it.

I live in the USA now and I wish so much I could be at Goodison Park on game days. But I can't. So, get behind the team, get behind the manager, and get behind the club.

Jamie Crowley
699 Posted 18/01/2022 at 03:47:41
Mike Gaynes -

That is brilliant! Too funny.

Matt Traynor
700 Posted 18/01/2022 at 03:57:03
Barry #698, clarion call for the ages right there.

I think we all need to recognise there's a variety of opinions. There's also a section of fans who really couldn't give a rats arse about a new stadium, or long term commercial vision etc, but rather want the instant gratification of a win on a Saturday against the likes of Brighton or Norwich, followed by a decent night on the ale in town after.

In my view, the next banners to appear will be against the owner. He's been tone deaf to the views of fans for a while now. Whether Martinez has "learned and developed" as some might have us believe, a lot will regard it as a retrograde step.

If only we had a decent team to take our minds of all of this tumult within the corridors of Goodison.

Alan J Thompson
701 Posted 18/01/2022 at 04:30:00
Barry(#698); We are all behind the club and what we have trouble with is the appointment of disappointing managers by a totally inadequate Boardroom and Shareholder. We can't and don't just sit around and ignore the obviously poor performances, we are not here to yoyo up and down, we want winning and entertaining football and when that is not forthcoming we want to see an effort to remedy the problem.

The current priority is the appointment of a manager whose first job is to avoid relegation and going backwards to a manager who couldn't save Wigan when they needed something like 4 points from their last 3 games does not seem to be the right appointment and I have no qualms saying so.

As for support of previous managerial appointments, I wanted them all to succeed as it means Everton succeed. I had my doubts about Martinez first appointment as he had just seen his last club relegated. Similarly with Silva as he had seen Hull relegated and Watford were not in a great position.
I was more willing to see Koeman given the job but it soon became clear with his man-management and then lack of application to the job that he had to be replaced although some of that may have been because of interference from the same Boardroom that is now searching for a new manager.

Yes, I want a total clear out and reorganization of the club at all levels but that is not the immediate problem which is not being helped by what seems poor, knee jerk appointments for the position of improving the core business, results on the pitch. And I don't see sitting quietly and hiding our disappointment as any sort of answer and which, hopefully, the club is monitoring.

Dave Ganley
702 Posted 18/01/2022 at 05:59:56
Barry #698,

I've also been following Everton since the early 70s so I’ve seen my fair share of shite. I always back the club even when I don't agree with the manager, especially Martinez Mk 1. I didn't see what the bloke could offer the club but backed him because he was our manager.

Doesn't please me to be proved right; however, if the club are going to make that mistake again, then that's just negligence. I don't see what the board is trying to do apart from trying to rip the fanbase apart at the seams.

This is not the fans’ fault, all this is on the board for making awful appointments and sanctioning awful transfers. We are in a shit load of trouble and it’s entirely their own making.

We have a right to finally say enough us enough. This is our club, they are just custodians, we deserve better than this. We turn up and pack the stadium week after week and always fill our away section. We can't just blindly back every move they make especially when we are in such a mess.

They've managed to turn a well run, competitive club into a laughing stock in 6 short years. Enough is enough.

Andy Walker
703 Posted 18/01/2022 at 06:28:27
Barry, as far as Martinez is concerned yes, I did make it very clear I didn’t want him as Everton manager before his appointment and I carried on doing so repeatedly on here from day 1 of his appointment. The record points total under Martinez’s first season, much vaunted on here, was a misleading stat created in a season when the top 6/7 teams were way better than the rest and effectively about a dozen teams were pretty useless, getting beat most weeks by the top teams. The bottom 3 were relegated with record low points totals, 34 points would have kept you up. So Everton we’re able to milk points of lower clubs, hence the record points total. I was repeatedly hammered on here for that view at the time. Amusing how so many on here are now anti Martinez before his appointment this time.
John Graham
704 Posted 18/01/2022 at 06:34:24
I don’t think such a phenomenal manager will be interested in being our manager as he will have other phenomenal offers from many other clubs.
But just in case he is looking for another phenomenal chance of getting a phenomenal payday when he is sacked again maybe everyone should show their phenomenal feelings on Saturday at the match with some phenomenal banners and chanting to let everyone know he was and never will be phenomenal
COYB
Gary Willock
705 Posted 18/01/2022 at 06:43:31
Yes John! Let’s DEMAND dour, defensive, negative manager instead. His 42% win rate and two semi finals are just pathetic, and keeping the ball is for pussies as Carlo, Sam and Rafa have demonstrated clearly…..

NB I’d prefer someone ‘like him’ rather than who is him, but he’d still be a breadth of air given the dross we’ve had since. The idea of a hate mob trying to stop him coming in is for ToffeeWeb not real world.

John Graham
707 Posted 18/01/2022 at 07:40:15
Yes I would love a manager who has managed to get a club relegated, has under achieved dramatically with a top national team, who likes his team to play football from the Ray Wilkins school of side passing, who caused a massive protest to get him out last time he was here. And would definitely be the right person to continue Benitez’s work to get us relegated.
Not
For me it has to be Rooney and Ferguson
Bob Parrington
708 Posted 18/01/2022 at 07:52:04
Here's hoping none of the current players are reading this thread. OK there's talk about the old managers and potential new ones but it seems all of the players are being painted with the same tarnished brush.

I'd like to suggest players who should be omitted from the shit heap.

Pickford, Vytalli (sorry if I got spelling wrong), Paterson, Allan, Doucoure, King, Godfrey, Townsend, Richarlisson, DCL and perhaps Seamus (he's ageing but has been a good, true blue). With these players there is a decent base to build upon.

Coming back to the manager, I don't want Martinez on the "you never go backwards" principle. If he has the balls he should say to Everton -Go to the far end of the queue - i.e. Far que! anyhow.

For the life of me, I think very few decent candidates would apply. So, I suggest giving the caretaker role to Duncan until the end of the season. Problem I see here is that most managers now seem to bring in their own entourage of backroom staff and Dunc possibly doesn't have this.

We might have an ET situation - IS THERE ANYBODY OUT THERE?

Joe McMahon
709 Posted 18/01/2022 at 08:07:43
It's got to the point I don't care who is taking charge as long as Keane, Coleman and Rondon aren't in starting 11. Yes Seamus was good, but that was in the past and pre leg break.

Not starting the 2 named defenders will save us a few goals.

Mike Corcoran
710 Posted 18/01/2022 at 08:15:09
Hoping for a bogus Covid cancellation, give the squad time to regroup and focus.
Neil Cremin
711 Posted 18/01/2022 at 08:26:35
I said three years ago we should go with Potter and got laughed out it by our witty TWebbers with Harry related comments.
We should have gone for him in Summer because he now had PL experience.
I doubt he would risk his reputation in our toxic club where everyone from top down accepts mediocracy. Although he was not my first choice, I was neutral on Benitez and was giving him space to root out our acceptance of mediocracy. Alas, the recent run of results means he has lost the dressing room.
Potter said recently of Brighton "We have a fantastic chairman who provides the clarity, vision and support for us all and allows us to get on with our work.”
Why would he come to our lunatic asylum.
Barry Hesketh
712 Posted 18/01/2022 at 08:45:20
According to the newspaper that shall not be named, Moshiri has been approached by a consortium to purchase the club, it's likely a made up story to add fuel to the fire. Let's just take it at face-value for a minute and ask ourselves who would lead a consortium to buy the club at this time? Apparently the asking price of £350m was thought too high a price to pay, even though it iwould mean Moshiri would lose out by £100m.

Seeing as there has been a lot of talk on here and elsewhere of an ongoing war within the corridors of power for a few months, would it be beyond the realms of fantasy to see a certain chairman up to his old tricks?

As I said it is all most likely a made up story and has little substance, but it is concerning that at a time when we all need to be laser focussed on the results of the team, that there could be more discord at the top than any of us may have imagined.

Colin Glassar
713 Posted 18/01/2022 at 08:54:12
For two seasons I supported Roberto and prayed for his success but his refusal to learn from his mistakes led me to join the mob baying for his head.

I have no doubt he has matured as a manager but he was sacked and left under a cloud and not only that, he sued us!! So, sadly, it’s a NO from me.

We have to be bold. No more Hollywood managers. No more flavours of the month. Rooney and Ferguson or, Ferguson and Rooney. They will die for this club and won’t see us as a stepping stone or a free meal ticket.

Sam Mellor
714 Posted 18/01/2022 at 08:56:37
Martinez... Mourinho... This is absolute madness, surely Moshiri must have learnt something from all these failures.

Potter would be amazing but like posters above have shown with his quotes, there's no way he'd come to us right now and I'd probably question his judgement if he did.

Forget this big name crap, we need to look for the next Potter, someone who can build a club. For once, think outside the box a bit rather than take the next one of the tired old names that are trotted out when we sack the manager once a year.

When you see Wolves doing well with Lage for example, I wonder whether our board would have even heard of him or bothered with him.

I can't profess to be an expert on managers but then I'm not a board member of a Premier League club, they should surely be able to do something more imaginative than a man we fired 6 years ago or Benitez mk.2 in Mourinho.

I think we should be looking at someone like Steve Cooper. It doesn't have to be him but surely someone young, hungry and innovative rather than the tired old usual shit.

But I have absolutely zero faith in the board to makea bold decision, it's like they just have a list of a few names on a scrap of paper that Moshiri wrote when he first took over and he won't make any changes to it.

In the short erm I'd just give it to Duncan for the rest of the season, he'd keep us up just by scaring the shit out of the players. That'd buy us some time to try and start on the clearing up the boardroom dysfunction and get a proper manager setup to come in the summer.

I've been slowly falling out of love with the Premier League and even Everton over the last few years, if we appointed Mourinho I honestly think that might be it for me.

Dave Abrahams
715 Posted 18/01/2022 at 09:26:21
Barry (698), You say, “ I understand what the board are trying to do” Barry could you please explain what you think the board are trying to do, a board that consists of one man and three others appointed by him, all can see is that one man clinging on to be the chairman at any cost.

Barry don’t worry about the team getting supported on Saturday we really love this club and know the wretched state we are in so all of us will be roaring our heads off trying to get a vital win.

Brent Stephens
716 Posted 18/01/2022 at 09:32:24
Would love to know to what extent Everton have had a rolling managerial succession plan, including whether that involves a temporary or permanent replacement. And whose job it would be to maintain that succession plan. God knows the last few years have shown the need for such a plan.

I know, this is...

Kim Vivian
717 Posted 18/01/2022 at 09:46:48
Bob - 708...who's King?
Kim Vivian
718 Posted 18/01/2022 at 10:15:58
Just thinking here – I'm not advocating, believe me, but if we are "looking" at any current International manager (who would probably not even want to consider EvertoC with the World Cup around the corner), why has Southgate not had a mention?

I don't mean on here necessarily but even as clickbait. Totally lacking in charisma of course, but then when did charisma win anything? It seems Moshiri is seduced by charisma when you think about it – Martinez? Ancelotti? Koeman? Silva? – but no to Moyes, Potter etc.

Just pondering, like, and as I say not advocating but it crossed my mind while we're mooting all sorts of ideas worthy of a David Lynch production..

Bob Parrington
719 Posted 18/01/2022 at 10:25:45
Sorry Kim,

Thanks for correcting me – Gray and I can't blame auto spell, only senior citizen syndrome!

BTW. Has anybody worked out why the hell Benitez would have picked Rondon for the Norwich game? The guy must have been on something "weerd" to think this would not have had him sacked!

Kim Vivian
720 Posted 18/01/2022 at 10:33:04
No worries, Bob – I did wonder whether you meant Keane(!) - and hadn't noticed Gray's omission...
Bob Parrington
721 Posted 18/01/2022 at 10:45:56
Hi Kim,

From my previous postings you might know that I am no fan of Keane. I feel he is generally weak and indecisive plus very seldom plays out to one of his own team. I think we need to replace him with a strong, tall central defender, with great character and significant pace.

Laurie Hartley
722 Posted 18/01/2022 at 11:00:01
Bob # 721 - you mean Branthwaite 👍
Sam Hoare
723 Posted 18/01/2022 at 11:25:44
I'm just not sure that the idea that managers who know and love the club are more likely to succeed there is true. Maybe the opposite could even be the case?!

How many ex-players have gone on to lead their clubs to great progress and success in the modern era? Pep is the obvious example but then he did just as well at Bayern and Man City. Zidane perhaps? There's certainly a lot of cases where it didn't help.

Yes it may get the crowd behind them initially and that can be useful (especially in our situation) but results and to a degree performance will dictate ultimately.

As interim, of course, Ferguson makes sense but for a longer contract the job must be awarded on the basis of someone's management credentials rather than their history or affinity with the club. We must let go of romantic notions.

If Ferguson does well over the next few games, then perhaps that adds to his decent showing last time but such appointments go wrong more often than they go right. For my money, he needs to prove himself at another club before getting the job full-time.

Nick Page
724 Posted 18/01/2022 at 11:34:03
Sam, the last three Everton managers to win anything all played for Everton. It's a fact.

I'm not saying that replicating this in the modern era will lead to success, far from it, but I think the club would be better off going down this route, for a while at least before bringing in some other fella who talks about “projects”.

Beyond that, a Potter or a Rangnick would still need lots of time to turn it around and even then I don't think we have the right structures (yet) in place to make it work.

Peter Carpenter
725 Posted 18/01/2022 at 11:48:12
Ignoring the type of newspapers that are reporting it, I wouldn't be surprised if Moshiri has had enough. I am sure this wasn't the deal that the devious thespian outlined to him 6 years ago.

At Arsenal he had no power and so it must have been all so easy – turn up, drinks in the boardroom, status, admiration from peers, meeting famous people. Now he's got to sort out this shit show. No thanks.

Surely there's a bunch of human rights abusing autocrats out there who'll buy it off him! Dammit, Newcastle got there first. How about that guy in Belarus?

Robert Tressell
726 Posted 18/01/2022 at 11:56:19
Sam @714

I'm not convinced it's Lage that deserves credit for Wolves this season.

I just see Wolves as a very well run club, with a clear and successful agent-led recruitment strategy.

Obviously the players need to be organised into a team but it's all very cohesive and everyone is pulling together.

I'm not convinced Lage is a better coach particularly than Benitez. He's just at a better run club. We're a very badly run club. I'm not convinced at all that Lage would have achieved good things with Everton had he been appointed.

Karen Mason
727 Posted 18/01/2022 at 12:18:17
I read that Gattuso has been approached. Loved him as a player, but don't know too much about his managerial skills, other than his stint at Milan. If he brings the 'fire' to management, that he brought as a player, I'd be in.
Bill Fairfield
728 Posted 18/01/2022 at 12:28:34
Don't think we've any choice but to look from within. Who in their right mind would want to come to this madhouse? Everything Potter said yesterday about Brighton is the polar opposite to what's happening at Everton.
Jem Bir
729 Posted 18/01/2022 at 12:31:42
@ Bill Fairfield. Completely correct, why would Potter, or Martinez for that matter, want to come here? The club's bonkers at the moment.

I'm coming to the opinion that we should take our time, we have a squad to avoid relegation and Dunc deserves a shot here.

Sam Mellor
730 Posted 18/01/2022 at 12:53:25
Rob (726), it seems a bit harsh to say Lage doesn't deserve any credit! Unless you're going to absolve Benitez of all blame and put everything on the board here?

It doesn't really matter, I don't know much about him and he could be rubbish for all I know. It was more just using him as an example of a bit of creative thinking rather than going for tired old names. And whether it's him or the board, it seems to be paying off.

Robert Tressell
731 Posted 18/01/2022 at 12:57:54
Quite right, Sam - not all credit, no. That's more than I really meant to say.
Danny O’Neill
732 Posted 18/01/2022 at 13:00:02
The Athletic saying we are to approach Martinez and Rooney. Sky Sports saying Everton will interview Lampard.

When will it ever end?

Peter Carpenter
733 Posted 18/01/2022 at 13:06:47
The Telegraph says 4 to be interviewed including Lampard and Rooney.
Brian Murray
734 Posted 18/01/2022 at 13:08:48
The common trait with Kenwright for years is who gets to jump on board the blue gravy train. Not one has been a success, from CEO, ex-players, managers... even merchandising, he fails miserably at on his watch. (Errant owner trusted him with the keys so can't include him.)

Now this Martinez link has his emotional dabs all over it. Another lazy call with no vision for the future. Just a stab at the past with someone he knows won't say boo to a goose.

Nothing new or profound in this post. Just another Blue who knows even if Pep was appointed, nothing would change until we somehow force him out.

Peter Carpenter
735 Posted 18/01/2022 at 13:09:08
Oh, it goes on to say that Bill Kenwright is taking a leading role in recruitment.

That's fucked that then! Don't waste your time, Frank.

Brian Murray
736 Posted 18/01/2022 at 13:15:51
If Ferguson is totally misunderstood and he really can bring a lot to the table, then we need a joint Clough - Taylor partnership with whoever is brought in, if it's Rooney or whoever.

Or, if common sense prevails and he's given till the end of the season, then the cards will fall as they may. If so, we can exorcise this theory that Dunc is or isn't the answer.

I hope we don't pay the ultimate price but I have a feeling (or hope) that he's more savvy and ready than we think.

Brian Murray
737 Posted 18/01/2022 at 13:22:49
Peter @735.

Will this self-governance come to the obvious conclusion that Kenwright, the CEO, and all he employs need to be replaced?

Turkeys voting for Xmas. We can dream...

Peter Carpenter
738 Posted 18/01/2022 at 13:38:20
If only, Brian.
Anthony Flack
739 Posted 18/01/2022 at 13:39:07
They are all guessing - so are we, and also praying it's not BBS.

Too risky, as it will get terribly nasty if we don't improve under him i.e. he has learnt nothing.

I am still scarred by the first half of the FA CUP Semi and a capitulation at home to Watford, that I think was Phil Neville's effective last 'stand'.

Peter Neilson
740 Posted 18/01/2022 at 13:39:10
I’m sure they will do the honourable thing. Acknowledge the failings within the club and sack everyone below them.
Danny O’Neill
741 Posted 18/01/2022 at 13:50:34
Okay let's have a look at Lampard as a few things went through my head when his name got mentioned.

Firstly, is he experienced enough and the type to get us out of the situation we're in? Although I would imagine the players would respect him, possibly not right for right now. Mark down.

Secondly, he promotes the introduction of young players. That could be both ours and maybe getting others from Chelsea, even if on loan. Mark up.

And here's a final thought to put out there. Lampard brings in Rooney as his second. Debatable that now, having had a taste of being number one, Rooney would go for that. But he might as he kind of got thrown in at the deep end and probably wasn't planning it so soon. And its Everton. That's a don't know.

So, with my basic voting system, I'm proper on the fence with that one!! Feels like a summer appointment again.

Tony McNulty
742 Posted 18/01/2022 at 13:54:02
Peter,

You have reminded me about what they used to say in the BBC whenever things went wrong:

"Deputy Heads will roll."

Peter Neilson
743 Posted 18/01/2022 at 14:00:46
When Lampard was fired, Chelsea had also made more errors leading to goals than any other side as well as spending £226M in the summer window. Sounds like he'd fit right in.
Matt Traynor
744 Posted 18/01/2022 at 14:08:09
Anthony #739, I think you're conflating 2 issues.
Phil Neville's last stand was the capitulation in the FA Cup quarter final, when if memory isn't failing me - he was withdrawn at half time and didn't play again. Moyes was our manager and BBS was in the other dugout.

In fact that reminds me of many years prior standing on the Gwladys Terrace when an out-of-sorts Everton, with 4 full backs across the back 4, lost at home 1-5 to Norwich, and the guy in the other dugout was to become our next manager.

So if the credentials for the new manager is you must've given us a hiding on our own turf, there should be no end of candidates. Just not Ranieri either please.

Pat Kelly
745 Posted 18/01/2022 at 14:28:53
Looking like Rooney. Especially if he wears his Everton pyjamas to the interview.
Dave Edwards
746 Posted 18/01/2022 at 14:41:22
Big Dunc first with Tim Cahill as his assistant. Failing that Frank Lampard on one condition: if he takes the job, wife and family move up and live locally. (Cheshire belt obviously).

Remember Jose at Man Utd life in a hotel at Salford Quays it doesn't work unhappy family life = unhappy manager.

Martinez no no no.

Remember Niasse, Kone, Funes Mori, McGeady, Alcaraz… all of them either incredible or phenomenal. Bung the lot together – a complete bag of you know what.
Danny O’Neill
747 Posted 18/01/2022 at 14:52:34
It's only internet chatter, but there's a lot of it relating to Tim Cahill taking on a board / executive role at the club.
Colin Glassar
748 Posted 19/01/2022 at 18:12:42
Pat 745, it’s deffo his if he shows Kenwright the tattoo he has of kenshite on his bum.
Jamal Paktongko
749 Posted 20/01/2022 at 15:12:37
1) Roberto Martinez was the culprit. He undid everything good Moyes left behind and tried to introduce crap football with not the right players. Moyes was successful because he tailored his tactics and strategies with what he has in hand and did not try to get them to play football that the players could not play.

2) Ronald Koeman was a freeloading baboon and should not have been touched by Everton with a 10-feet pole. He didn't leave behind anything good.

3) Sam Allardyce: He was the most sensible appointment but it seems the Board has something against British coaches. They should've given him another season and I am sure he would have done wonders.

4) Marco Silva: Really don't know why in God's world did the Board appoint this clown. I really really cannot comprehend his appointment. It's like the Board had gone insane and decided to appoint crap managers just to prove a point.

5) Carlo Ancelotti: He was a scoop but he could not wait to leave the Club on the count that he knew things were heading South in the coming season. Lucky bastard.

6) Rafael Benitez: I really think senility was starting to set on him. I think Farhad was unlucky in that sense. He should have told Benitez to undergo a comprehensive psychiatric evaluation before appointing him. If it had been the Benitez of 10 years ago, maybe things would have been different.

I mean right from the get-go, this dude was feuding with the players. He was feuding with Jamie Rodriguez from the start and basically forced him out. Then with Brands and then with Bernard and finally with Lucas Digne,

It's the classic sign of senility setting in when the slightest thing sets him off. It was not the same Benitez that we have known all these years.

Dennis Stevens
750 Posted 20/01/2022 at 15:39:34
Shocked you view Allardyce so favourably, Jamal. He failed to perform any better than Unsworth over the course of the rest of the season, despite having time & money which Unsworth never had.
Steve Brown
751 Posted 20/01/2022 at 15:44:27
The Bobble now reporting Fabio Cannavaro!
Andrew Ellams
752 Posted 20/01/2022 at 15:58:41
How do people think Duncan would go without a DoF? Would player recruitment really be his forte?
Barry Hesketh
753 Posted 20/01/2022 at 16:05:33
Andrew @752
If Everton are close to breaching the profitability and sustainability rules, there may be restrictions on purchases according to the Esk. The club either has to cut costs, increase commercial profit or sell assets to help keep the losses below £105m.

The Esk: Profit and Sustainability

Michael Kenrick
754 Posted 20/01/2022 at 16:33:04
Jamal,

Moyes was not successful as Everton manager, except in stringing Kenwright along and in convincing a significant wedge of fans that being regarded as the 'Best of the Rest' passed for success in the eyes of those who'd accepted that was the limit of any fan's reasonable expectations for pluky little Everton.

Let's not perpetuate this lie about him being a success for us in any way. We never won even a single domestic trophy; we were just a little bit better than we are now. That is all.


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