Ferguson not expecting to get permanent manager's role

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Everton appear to be set on drafting in Rafael Benitez's replacement sooner rather than later, with Duncan Ferguson insisting that his remit as caretaker boss extends only to the next few matches.

A statement from the club confirmed on Tuesday that Ferguson had been installed as interim manager for the Blues' "upcoming games" after a swift move to bring Roberto Martinez back was blocked by the Belgian FA.

There has been speculation over whether the club might allow Ferguson and his team to continue in their temporary posts until the end of the season but reports suggest that interviews of prospective candidates are underway.

According to sources and Paul Joyce of The Times and Jason Burt of The Telegraph, former Derby County and Chelsea boss Frank Lampard has held initial talks, as has a surprise name in the form of former Italian international defender Fabio Cannavaro.

Cannavaro, 48, has managed two clubs in China Super League, Guangzhou Evergrande and Tianjin Quanjian, as well as Saudi Arabian side Al-Nassr but has no top-league experience as yet. The Liverpool Echo, meanwhile, report that Cannavaro is not a leading candidate despite the media talk.

Wayne Rooney, who is currently in the post at Derby, is also said to be a man Everton want to speak with and are believed to have made contact with his representatives but the Midlands club's administrators have stressed that they will need to grant approval first.

Former Eintracht Frankfurt, Bayern Munich and Monaco boss Niko Kovač is another name reportedly in the frame and is said to be keen to work in the Premier League.

Ferguson, meanwhile, told evertontv yesterday that his role is only short term.

“I'll only be in charge for the upcoming games," he said.

“The Club are in a process of going through their candidates. They will go through that process and I am sure they will get the best man for the job.”

 

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Jerome Shields
1 Posted 20/01/2022 at 18:06:13
Duncan is not expendable enough, for a parties at Everton who are more interested in self preservation than Management of the team.
Brett Jonathan
2 Posted 20/01/2022 at 18:17:30
That is great news. Duncan needs to go. If he plans a career as a successful manager, he shouldn't be hanging around his 7th boss at Everton. Go find a team and start taking full responsibility. Starting to look like he is too frightened to get the top job anywhere.
Gerry Morrison
3 Posted 20/01/2022 at 18:25:10
Brett. Maye he just loves Everton and wants to stay with us. Hard to imagine for some people I know.
Anthony Murphy
4 Posted 20/01/2022 at 18:27:17
Joyce also mentioned Bilic due to be interviewed tomorrow.

I think teary Bill will bring Rooney in regardless of other candidate credentials

Tony Everan
5 Posted 20/01/2022 at 18:27:55
I thought last week he was putting his name forward.

Could be that this change of tone due to the possibility that Moshiri has indicated privately that Ferguson is not being considered for permanent manager?

Bill Watson
6 Posted 20/01/2022 at 18:28:08
I'd prefer Duncan to any of the names in Lyndon's article. An untried foreign manager could be a recipe for disaster!

Michael Connelly
7 Posted 20/01/2022 at 18:28:08
People do not seem to realise that he's not planning a career as a successful manager. He has said himself that he doesn't think he could do it, given how much it takes out of him. The coach role suits him much better.
James Newcombe
8 Posted 20/01/2022 at 18:30:01
Please not Bilic FFS.
Tony Hill
9 Posted 20/01/2022 at 18:31:47
Good point, Gerry @3. I think he's exemplary, a man who loves the club and would like to see out his career with us it seems. Such people are important in any organisation (or used to be) and if he has to adjust his role in the future then so be it. He's 50 for God's sake and not everyone wants to be a king.

I find it refreshing. Anyway, who knows what the next few weeks may mean for him?

Kieran Kinsella
10 Posted 20/01/2022 at 18:36:03
Bill,

The candidates are an embarrassing list of carnival rejects. Rafa went to the Chinese league with pedigree behind him at least, Cannavaro? Good player in the day but on that basis why not give it to Paul Gascoigne? Bilic is charlatan who robbed us for three years while miraculously being fit for his country, he is also an embarrassing failure as a manager. Lampard had two jobs on easy street and did the minimum any halfwit (e.g. Villas-Boas, Steve MacLaren) would do in those jobs. Rooney has had all of five minutes experience running the one club that make fans think Bury FC wasn't so badly handled. Maybe he is good but it's too soon to know. Bunch of jokers drew up the list and fittingly it's full of clowns and carneys.

Dennis Stevens
11 Posted 20/01/2022 at 18:40:22
The more names I hear who are possibly in the frame, the more appealing the prospect of Rooney getting the job becomes. Arguably, that means we should be looking at better, or maybe "better" don't want to know - I certainly wouldn't blame them.
Tony Everan
12 Posted 20/01/2022 at 18:40:40
James #8. ditto.

A positive though, at least he can’t get injured being our manager.

Brett Jonathan
13 Posted 20/01/2022 at 18:40:55
Gerry 3 - I love Everton too, but I can't manage them either. If your boss in any job failed to promote you after hiring 7 bosses, it is time to take a good look at yourself. Either you have zero ambition (not a trait I want anyone to have in the club), or you are happy to take the easy way and cash your check. Loving the club isn't enough. We all love the club - none of us are the best person for the most jobs at the club.
Kieran Kinsella
15 Posted 20/01/2022 at 18:48:40
Dennis

I don't even understand what "frame" they're using for the ideal candidate. None of these people have anything in common. On one hand, Jose Mourinho, hugely experienced in every major league, used to be a serial winner, wants to be paid a king's ransom. On the other hand Cannavaro never even managed in a European or a major league. Then we have Bilic who has a worse track record than Marco Silva -- who we sacked. Then Martinez who WE ALREADY SACKED. Is it just like Bill and Mosh chatting "hey tell me the names of anyone in football you've ever heard of?" "Oh there was a fellow named Slaven I met in East London once, said he spent a few years on Merseyside."

Neil Lawson
16 Posted 20/01/2022 at 18:49:02
So, if Dunc wins his first 3 games with some style and passion, and the team appear happy and motivated, he will still not be considered even until the end of the season? Those in charge are complete imbeciles.

I agree that the only acceptable outcome appears to be Rooney which is a greater leap of faith than appointing Dunc until season end.

I am despairing. Reading all the news feeds etc is demoralising. Desperately hope for a win on Saturday for so many reasons.

David Pearl
17 Posted 20/01/2022 at 18:53:12
Anthony 4

Do you think your teary-eyed Bill had any influence over the last 5 appointments? Moshiri will likely fudge this up just like every other on-field decision. He should stick to BMD and let Duncan get on with the job without all the outside noise, which isn't helping anyone.

Dennis Stevens
18 Posted 20/01/2022 at 18:56:43
Kieran, I think Moshiri is a sucker for a "name" i.e. he hasn't got a clue. Kenwright, as we all know, is entirely self-serving. One advantage Rooney will have is that Moshiri has probably heard of him, although I'm not sure he will realise it's the same Rooney who played for us a few years ago, early in his ownership of the Club.
Clive Rogers
19 Posted 20/01/2022 at 18:58:58
Neil, 16, Dunc obviously doesn’t want the job permanently. He will probably only get one game in charge as they are looking to bring someone in soon and there is a break.
Kunal Desai
20 Posted 20/01/2022 at 18:59:54
Get a hunch it's gonna be Rooney. Can see it now, the teary eyed brings the prodigal son back home to manage his beloved Everton.

Just hope he doesn't get thrown under the bus if he's offered it. We know Kenwright will use him as his defensive shield if it goes tits up.

Habib Erkan Jr
21 Posted 20/01/2022 at 19:01:44
Why does the board insist on continually being ass backwards? First, find a competent director then empower him to find and select a manager. Till then, it's Dunk & Baines all the way.
Mike Keating
22 Posted 20/01/2022 at 19:03:53
Kieran @ 10,

Only partly correct about Bilic. He's certainly a charlatan, a robber and a complete failure as a manager – but he is also a cheat.

As witnessed by a global audience during the 1998 World Cup semi final;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJa1dvEjBfg

Joe McMahon
23 Posted 20/01/2022 at 19:06:48
Can't we just try him until End of season. I don't want us to go backwards again. If it's not Dunc, then Rooney or Lampard in the summer. Don't want another past it manager, that won things 10 years ago.
Raymond Fox
24 Posted 20/01/2022 at 19:09:07
I would be behind Ferguson becoming permanent manager but, if he feels he's not up to it – you do need a very think skin – then he's not our man. Being coach or whatever he does he's not exactly covered himself in glory.

It's desperate stuff is it not, why would another manager do better than those who have gone before him. For all that's been said, there has been good experienced managers who have eventually run into a brick wall.

I'm afraid I have very little confidence that another manager change is the answer.

Jay Harris
25 Posted 20/01/2022 at 19:15:28
Totally agree Habib.

Let's headhunt a top DoF and give them the job of recruiting a new manager or coach and setting the identity of the club and its playing style.

At the moment, nobody has a clue whether it's the tango, the quickstep, the salsa or the ladies excuse me.

Brian Harrison
26 Posted 20/01/2022 at 19:19:14
I think it's time for Moshiri to come clean and let the fans know what the hell the plan is going forward. By that, I don't mean a tweet to Jim White... Come to Liverpool and tell us, the paying fans, what your intentions are, as at the moment, I don't think you have any idea.

There have been reports in some papers that you have spoken to Cannavaro, but the Echo are saying you have had discussions with him but he isn't being considered... like to explain why you even spoke to him?

Duncan Ferguson has said he is not expecting to get the job. Is that because the board have decided that? Or has Duncan said he doesn't want the job?

I guess you are in a hurry to appoint the next manager as you hope that it will reduce any pressure on you or the board. I can only wonder where this club will end up under your leadership, after 5 years of a shambolic leadership by you, we are now a laughing stock.

Many quite rightly criticize Watford for having a revolving door attitude to hiring managers but you have taken it to a whole new level.

Anthony Murphy
27 Posted 20/01/2022 at 19:28:49
David Pearl, you are right of course – but my feeling is that Bill will get his way this time given the omnishambles that was Benitez.

I just think it'll be Rooney personally but, as we've seen, Everton and managers is impossible to predict.

The bigger problem for me is that our shortlist is back-of-a-fag-packet stuff – although Cannavaro is totally unexpected.

Mike Gaynes
28 Posted 20/01/2022 at 19:29:54
Kieran,

Cannavaro isn't a "carnival reject"... his teams have dominated the Chinese league and he has managed over 200 games there. Destroyed Benitez's team on a regular basis.

As a player, he was a brilliant natural leader on the pitch. He's passionate, charismatic and has a high international profile.

True, he has never managed in a top league, and I agree with you that he shouldn't be on the list of top candidates, but don't dismiss him as a clown. He's anything but.

Daniel A Johnson
29 Posted 20/01/2022 at 19:45:20
What’s going on here?

Does Ferguson not want it?

Or

Does Ferguson want it but Moshiri not want to consider him?

Either way Ferguson should leave rather than serve as a bib lackey under manager No.7.

Joseph Terrence
30 Posted 20/01/2022 at 19:48:04
One quarter of poll respondents feel Duncan should be appointed manager - maddening.
Daniel A Johnson
31 Posted 20/01/2022 at 19:48:55
I’m genuinely concerned about Rooney becoming EFC manager.

He’s in a zero pressure goldfish bowl at Derby. Given their situation he can’t lose whatever he does. I just hope things don’t spiral under him as what experience does he have to fall back on?

Soren Moyer
32 Posted 20/01/2022 at 19:56:21
I and many other TW'ers are bemused why on earth they ain't going for a DoF first (my choice is Louis Campos as he is available and done great things with Monaco and Lille previously) and then take it from there!!!?

PS: I voted for Lucien Favre and I am proud of it lol.

Anthony Dove
33 Posted 20/01/2022 at 20:01:30
Rooney in time maybe but at the moment he’s got too much potential off field baggage,and that’s the last thing we need at the moment
Danny O’Neill
34 Posted 20/01/2022 at 20:05:11
I'd say a bit of both Daniel. The club don't fancy Duncan and he doesn't want it. It would have happened before now and I don't just mean the present fiasco.

Cannavaro, now that wets the appetite, but I got excited about Koeman.

What a defender. Intelligence, tactically astute, ability to read the game and start attack from defence.

Lacking top flight managerial experience? Of course. But a serial winner and technically gifted practitioner of the beautiful game. If anything, tell him to bring his boots and get him on the pitch.

David Pearl
35 Posted 20/01/2022 at 20:16:41
Anthony, 27
We should have Moshiri under house arrest. Everton never learn. He certainly hasn't.

A lot of continued disrespect for Duncan. He might be what we need. Cannavaro l just don't understand. Don't we need someone to come in and hit the ground running with knowledge of the squad and the prem?

Trevor Peers
36 Posted 20/01/2022 at 20:16:57
Rooney would be the worst choice IMO he just hasn't got enough knowledge, intelligence or experience, anyone who thinks he has must be barmy.

Moshiri seems hell bent on a panic appointment so heaven help the blues, because barring a miracle it will be disastrous second half to the season.

I've no idea who can save us this time, Ferguson is obviously not in the running now that's for sure. The best he can hope for is to become Rooney's stooge.

John Reynolds
37 Posted 20/01/2022 at 20:17:10
Cannavaro?! Another rabbit Moshiri’s pulling out of his stupid hat. The man has perfect Reverse Midas touch. I despair.
Kieran Kinsella
38 Posted 20/01/2022 at 20:31:22
ToffeeWeb is to blame for this manager hunt. I just looked at the poll on here back in June post Carlo, and there was a three-way tie among voters for who should be the next Everton boss: Antonio Conte (now tied to Spurs), Duncan Ferguson and Frank Lampard. So it's all our own fault. After the RM backlash and people saying Mosh should "listen to the fans," he evidently came to see the ToffeeWeb polls. Incidentally, Potter was 6% in the June poll now he's risen up to 30%!!
Hugh Jenkins
39 Posted 20/01/2022 at 20:44:17
Trevor (36) - "Rooney would be the worst choice IMO he just hasn't got enough knowledge, intelligence or experience, anyone who thinks he has must be barmy."
That is quite a sweeping statement - know him personally, do you?
Knowledge of what, precisely - football? - I think he certainly ticks that box.
Intelligence - how do you know - I don't meant "think"you know, I mean actually "know"? Don't make judgements about intelligence based on behavious - they are two entirely different things.
Experience - I grant you he has limited managerial experience, but as the old saying goes, those that can - do, those that can't teach.
He is and has been doing it remarkably well for over a year, in the most difficult and trying of circumstances.
As an option for Everton, I think his experience and results, to date, better qualify him than say re-hiring Martinez, or do you not agree with that?
Kieran Kinsella
40 Posted 20/01/2022 at 20:50:11
Hugh

I've never met him myself but the impression I have of Rooney from articles and interviews is that he is pretty intelligent even if he doesn't have academic credentials on account of being otherwise engaged at Goodison Park when his classmates were doing GCSE's.

Paul Tran
41 Posted 20/01/2022 at 20:58:40
Journalists pulling names out of hats for clickbait. People getting steamed up about it all. It's a good watch. Some people on Twitter are combusting

Kenwright wants Martinez. Failing that, a Rooney/Ferguson combo.

Moshiri wants anyone who was famous 10 years ago.

Sam Hoare
42 Posted 20/01/2022 at 21:01:08
As others have said, there is no direction. There is no ‘plan'. Which is no surprise as neither Moshiri nor Kenwright have a background in or deep knowledge of football.

I know it's probably not this simple but:

1. Find an experienced DOF. I'd love Dan Ashworth whose done an amazing job at Brighton but Campos, Monchi, Zorc, Planes could be options.

2. Let him do his job! No interference from Moshiri and Kenwright.

3. Get the DoF to decide what type of football we wanna see or what identity this club should be aiming at eg high energy/high pressing team or compact/counter attacking etc.

4. Draw up a shortlist of managers who can implement this style and work with a DoF. Interview them. Hire one.

5. Bring in players who can effectively play this style.

6. If the manager doesn't work out, bring in another manager who can play this way.

Identity. Clarity. Consistency.

James Alder
43 Posted 20/01/2022 at 21:04:31
What we should be focussing on is who is going to win the next 4/5 of 10 games. Put your house on this person and then we can worry about next season and future seasons.

It’s Duncan for me! Not necessarily long-term but certainly for the next 10 games. Anything else is pot luck.

Christy Ring
44 Posted 20/01/2022 at 21:08:11
Is Ferguson not being considered or is he ruling himself out of the job? I'd be disappointed if he ruled himself out, especially as I think he'd be a very popular choice, and we'll capable of doing a good job. Whoever becomes manager, my choice is Lampard, does he pick his own no.2 or has Duncan being guaranteed that position by Moshiri/Kenwright ?
Mark Dunford
45 Posted 20/01/2022 at 21:09:05
Rooney has achieved a lot more with Derby than Lampard did before he messed up in the Russian outpost. Not saying Rooney is ready for Everton and I'd prefer to see him gain more experience before he steps into the spotlight. He is, however, a proven winner and a better choice than many on the list.

As I've said before, I'd let Ferguson have a go for at least a month or so. Mood has lifted even before a post-Benitez ball has been kicked. Ferguson knows and understands the club better than just about anyone else.

Trevor Peers
46 Posted 20/01/2022 at 21:14:19
Martinez would be crazy, but don't forget, Hugh @39

Rooney would be propelled into the goldfish bowl glare of modern media, one of his tasks will be to conduct pre and after match interviews which are a huge part of a managers tasks and I just don't think Rooney has the eloquence to pull it off, do you?

His ability as a premiership coach is untested so how can he be a candidate? Other than the fact he was a great player for Man Utd, he has zero experience or ability of the pressures of being a manager at the highest level. It would be Moshiri's biggest gamble ever and that's very scary to even contemplate after all his previous gambles have failed so badly.

James Alder
47 Posted 20/01/2022 at 21:18:01
Surely the fans dictate the football/identity of the club, not the DOF - attacking football, solid defence, desire and winning mentally. The DOF identifies the players to fit the identity and the manager/coaching staff coach the team! This works if the players buy in to the manager and the identity.
Ernie Baywood
48 Posted 20/01/2022 at 21:33:52
This is arse about. You don't appoint the manager before the DoF.

And if we're ditching the DoF rule, shouldn't we at least understand whether that's the right call before making it? There hasn't been any kind of time for that process to have taken place.

I just don't get this club. The appointment of Benitez made no sense. Then giving him so much decision making power made no sense. Then sacking him immediately after letting him make consequential decisions made no sense.

Then this process makes no sense.

I'm no genius, so if I can see it... why can't they?

Danny O’Neill
49 Posted 20/01/2022 at 21:35:30
Sorry James, I have to disagree. Fans follow. Fans support.

We aren't at Finch Farm dictating how the team play. We have expectations, we have aspirations, but if a club was run based on fans' dictation, we'd have 40,000 match day views and millions of others world wide.

How we play football is down to the incumbent manager and players of the day.

Club identity; yes, I'll give you that, we play a massive part in that,

Ernie Baywood
50 Posted 20/01/2022 at 21:36:02
Trevor, I think I'd be more supportive of Moshiri taking a gamble than what he's done to date. A gamble is a considered risk. What he's done so far is just make terrible decisions with little regard for the consequences.
Ernie Baywood
51 Posted 20/01/2022 at 21:39:51
James, our club desperately needs an identity. I think we would say we know what it is, but it hasn't been that for many, many years.

The DoF's job is to ensure that the football side of our operations is aligned to the club's vision.

What do we stand for? What do we believe in? What is the club's vision? They're not for the DoF to determine. How we achieve those things is within the DoF's remit.

Bobby Mallon
52 Posted 20/01/2022 at 21:40:01
Kieran Kinsella,

Please tell me who you want? Because no-one seems good enough.

Kieran Kinsella
53 Posted 20/01/2022 at 21:43:07
Bobby

Thomas Frank

Mark Ryan
54 Posted 20/01/2022 at 21:56:28
Thomas Frank for me too.
Tony Hill
55 Posted 20/01/2022 at 21:57:37
Earlier today, I was reading an article written 10 years ago about Kenwright's terrible influence on the club and his bad faith. It was in the context of Green and Vibrac etc.

Old news but still the same news. We are structurally disabled by this man's continuing presence and influence and he should get out of the club. I thought he'd been defeated when Brands went and Barrett-Baxendale looked as though she was on the way out. What a fool I was.

A great shame that the venom directed at some managers has never targeted the boardroom and, specifically, this leech of a man. We delude ourselves to imagine that a DOF or new manager will bring about significant change.

He's our Peter Swales from long ago, Doug Ellis and Ken Bates. But he's still here, taking the piss, and we are weak and tired. Fuck off, you dreadful bastard.

James Alder
56 Posted 20/01/2022 at 22:07:41
Surely the club’s vision reflects the fans vision!

Makes sense to get a DOF before the manager in an ideal works but that isn’t going to happen anytime soon.

We need a short term fix - DF - and then review/rebuild in the summer. Can we take a chance on a permanent manager chosen in the next few weeks.

Mark Ryan
57 Posted 20/01/2022 at 22:09:12
Why is Franks name not a voting option but Graham Potters name is, a man who has distanced himself from the job? Did Kenwright make the list?
Ciarán McGlone
58 Posted 20/01/2022 at 22:16:58
Disappointing if Ferguson doesn't want it.

His previous attempt had everything we want. Decent football, passion, commitment and energy.

I think it's a confidence issue.

Ernie Baywood
59 Posted 20/01/2022 at 22:19:30
Ciaran, I think it's disappointing if we've invested years developing a man in a significant position at our club and he doesn't want to be a manager.

Makes me wonder what the point was?

And why have successive managers accepted the situation?

Just send like another flag for how dysfunctional this club actually is.

Brendan McLaughlin
60 Posted 20/01/2022 at 22:21:05
Apparently Rooney's agent has stated that Everton have not yet approached Derby for permission to talk to him.
Tony Abrahams
61 Posted 20/01/2022 at 22:22:20
Come on Tony, Bill’s heart has always been in the right place. I honestly don’t know why he bothered, putting all his time, money and energy into saving Everton, never taking a penny, and never wanting any praise, because we probably would have went the way of Leeds, without this man selflessly having “our clubs” best interests at heart.

Football is no longer about today and winning cups, it’s about romance and the way it used to be. I’m aware Everton used to exist to win, before Bill Kenwright got involved, but I’m certain that no man has ever loved the club more, and his only failure, is that he’s probably craved success just a little bit to much.

I honestly think Bill Kenwright is a Liverpudlian, because if any Evertonian, got a chance to run Liverpool, then I’m certain that those bastards would be sitting in our shoes, and feeling the way we do, right now.


Ernie Baywood
62 Posted 20/01/2022 at 22:26:30
Sam, that's exactly right. Though I think there's a starting point of making sure the club is aligned behind the need for a DoF first.

Someone needs to say NO to Moshiri. Say that if he's going to appoint a DoF then he needs to understand the individual's role at the club and manage them through governance not interference.

I find it strange that a man who has been so successful appears to have no idea about implementation of strategy. I know he was an accountant but was he ever actually a business leader? Or did he get his money some other way?

Jim Bennings
63 Posted 20/01/2022 at 22:30:54
I don't think you can play every game with that kind of gusto and tempo though that was on display in Duncan's first game against Chelsea.

If you recall the lethargic first half at home to Leicester in the League Cup Quarter Finals when we went 0-2 down and also the dour draw with Arsenal, it was apparent that the Chelsea game was just a "bounce effect".

It's clear as day now that Ferguson doesn't want the job on a permanent basis, it's obvious he doesn't want a managerial role at any club because at 50 years old he'd have been well out there by now at a Blackpool or a Preston.

If Crease Head Gerrard could manage Rangers why was Big Dunc not putting himself on offer up there?

We need to forget this notion he will manage us, he won't, move on.

Don Alexander
64 Posted 20/01/2022 at 23:37:38
Ferguson is patently VERY happy indeed to exist in a club where his role as mere "gopher" to the roundabout of managers who always bring in their own actual "sharp-end" coaches suits him just fine. He has no ambition at all to risk jeopardising his regular very comfy income, just like all the other ex-players at FF. He's effectively complacent in the extreme, and complacency has no place anywhere in any club aspiring to win trophies.

His self-serving complacency exactly matches that of those in the boardroom and Monaco. They're all leeching onto the club for the maximum financial screw to themselves personally. The fortunes of the club or its fans, providing it stays in the Premier League of course, don't matter a damn to them. Obviously!

New manager to sort the whole sick farce out in just a few months? Yeah right! Dream on suckers.

And I'm merely one of you.

Barry Hesketh
65 Posted 20/01/2022 at 23:49:05
I don't read Duncan's statement as someone ruling themselves out of the running, he's merely stating that the best man for the job will get it. If Duncan turns out to be the best person available, surely he would be offered it?

I do agree, that if he turns down the opportunity to be the full-time manager of Everton Football Club, if it is offered to him, he probably should look at opportunities elsewhere.

John Boon
66 Posted 20/01/2022 at 23:56:04
Whoever we choose as manager I will support them. As regards requirements for the position "Intelligence" can be vastly over rated. An ability to know the game,have good relationships with the players and be able to have "Team Organizing " and game plans is far more important.

To me the biggest mistake that many teams make is to give contracts that are far too long. It is beyond frustrating to think that Benitez walked away from Everton with millions in compensation. The ONLY people who should get compensation are the fans.Every season ticket holder should get at least 1000 pounds, taken out of "THE BENITEZ FRAUD FUND"

Even the likes of Rooney and his competitors should only get a six month contract, which is enough time to prove your worth. I cannot think of ANY job that hires you for Four years but then allows you to leave after three months with four years of payment. NONSENSE.

Kevin Murray
67 Posted 20/01/2022 at 00:00:10
The time has come for Duncan to be given a go. At least until the end of the season. If he wants it. If he doesn't, I think he should go. At this stage, he should be demanding a go and if not I think he's had it.

How about Thomas Frank at Brentford? Plays the right type of football. High intensity, pressing.
That interview after the United game last night was brilliant!

Paul Kossoff
68 Posted 21/01/2022 at 00:03:59
Here's is a new candidate, Italian World Cup-winning defender Fabio Cannavaro, 48, has been interviewed by Everton over their vacant manager's role. Cannavaro was in charge of Chinese side Guangzhou Evergrande until September. Oh well, at least Bill's being consistent.
Barry Hesketh
69 Posted 21/01/2022 at 00:11:06
John @ 66
I read somewhere this week that football clubs are beginning to move away from the salary related compensation package and instead turning to a fixed cost method. Obviously, Everton FC given recent history and lack of success may have trouble attracting big name managers and thus be forced to use the salary related package as an inducement to attract them in the first place.
Barry Hesketh
70 Posted 21/01/2022 at 00:13:34
Paul @ 68
I think if it was Bill's choice alone, it would be Duncan, Roberto or Wayne; any other choice will be down to Moshiri/Usmanov.
Steve Brown
71 Posted 21/01/2022 at 00:18:06
Fabio Cannavaro’s agent is Kia Joorabchian, who is Moshiri’s advisor’. If this is the basis of his advice then fire him out of a cannon into the Mersey.
Derek Knox
72 Posted 21/01/2022 at 00:21:13
Has Mosh been frequenting Chinese Restaurants and developed a penchant for Fortune Cookies ?

What is his obsession with the Global Retirement Yard of the Chinese Super League ?

Confucius once said, " he who know fuck all about Football, should let others choose, but not Chairman Mao !" :-)

Barry Hesketh
73 Posted 21/01/2022 at 00:24:44
Steve @ 71
I was just going to suggest to Derek that perhaps that chap was his agent, thanks for clearing it up - what a fine mess we are in if Kia Joorabchian is the one calling the shots albeit because Moshiri is listening to him.

Kia Joorabchian is also an Iranian who arrived in the UK in 1979, as did Moshiri.

He has supported Arsenal Football Club since his childhood and later kept a corporate box at their Emirates Stadium. Due to his association with Arsenal he has forged a close relationship with David Dein and his son Darren.

Moshiri, Joorabchian and Usmanov all followers of Arsenal, are deliberately or inadvertently destroying Everton.

If I was the current chairman of Everton Football Club I wouldn't allow myself to be the acceptable face of whatever this group of people represent.

Mike Gaynes
74 Posted 21/01/2022 at 00:29:46
Paul/Steve/DK and Barry, as I mentioned above, Cannavaro's teams have routinely dominated the Chinese league for the last six years, and regularly destroyed Benitez' team. And his natural leadership skills are unassailable -- he captained a World Cup champion, and in the process showed such commanding presence that he became one of only three defensive players to win the Ballon d'Or in the last 50 years.

Yes, he'd be a left-field candidate because he has not managed in a top league, but do not write him off.

Mark Andersson
75 Posted 21/01/2022 at 00:34:05
The wheels have finally fallen off. Who ever takes the job will be known for taking us down... so I hope Dunc and Rooney stay clear Everton ledgends that they are..
Neil Tyrrell
76 Posted 21/01/2022 at 00:34:16
"The Club are in a process of going through their candidates. They will go through that process and I am sure they will get the best man for the job.”  

I'm nowhere near sure of that, and given that they hired Benitez there's probably a better chance they'll get the worst man for the job.

Derek Thomas
77 Posted 21/01/2022 at 00:47:53
Maybe Ferguson is making a virtue of of a neccessity.
We all know Teary Bill would love to appoint All 'his adopted sons' if he could, Martinez, Moyes, Ferguson, Rooney...and if he could find a way to get Dean, Hickson, Young and Ball on the ticket he would do so too.

But 'Mr 92 and not a 'kin clue' loves 'A Name', he might have left this to Bill in the wake of the "I told you so" of the last debacle.
But there's no way one of the gardeners with mud on his boots is walking int' Big House as Head Butler to run His Downton Abbey.

Mike Gaynes
78 Posted 21/01/2022 at 00:49:01
Steve #71, Joorabchian is actually not Cannavaro's agent, at least not legally. He just knows him well from his own deep involvement in the Chinese league. And since Cannavaro was the best manager in China, it seems natural that Joorabchian would recommend him to his pal Moshiri.

John Reynolds
79 Posted 21/01/2022 at 01:14:54
Cannavaro? Really?

Continuing to recruit managers from the Chinese League and signing lads from Russia/Ukraine. History repeats itself, the first time as tragedy, the second time as farce.

Alternatively, let’s see what Dunc & Bainsey can do. Let’s get behind them. Let’s stay up and if they need help, let’s see if Rooney can add the missing ingredient.

I’m with Darren & the traditionalists.

Everton, aren’t we?!

Jerome Shields
80 Posted 21/01/2022 at 02:06:21
Duncan knows what the ball game at Everton really is. He knows that if he was Manager and the performances where not good enough, that the fans would turn on the Board rather then him. The Board fear that if the fans turn on them, that Moshiri would act against them , as he has in the case of Managers every time that the fans have put the pressure on.

The Manager's main qualification will be that he will be the scapegoat rather than the Board if performances are not up to scatch. What we are seeing is not a selection process, but politics. There is no plan, no selection process based on team performance. The main objective is Board self preservation.

I personally think that Lampard will get the job, because he is the more credible and will be easily sunk if necessary. I would not place a bet on Martinez not becoming Director of Football. Surprised there is no mention of Nuno, though his nine assistants would not suit.

But Rooney is the bogeyman. He is Bill's Blood Brother. Cannavaro sound as if he was made for Moshiri. Kia Joorabchian was part of the selection team the last time. Jimmy White and his yellow tie appear out of the loop.

Jamal Paktongko
81 Posted 21/01/2022 at 02:31:51
All managers after Moyes tried to play football like in their dreams when they knew they didn't have the right players (except Fat Sam, of course)

The were using Everton to realize their dreams and fantasies

Whereas Moyes was pragmatic. He saw what he had in hand and what he can get given the meager resources at his disposal and he built his team around it

He didn't need to play tippy tappy nice looking football. He just made sure all the basics are taken care of

And being that he used to be a defender, naturally his emphasis was on his defense. He built one of the best defense in Europe.

And Moyes played direct football cause given what he had that's the most efficient way of getting what he needs with the small resources he had.

And not to mention the player's physical state is paramount to him. Its no wonder under Moyes we keep scoring at the last minute cause that's when the opposition was tired while our boys are still ok. We had the fittest team in the league under Moyes

Martinez came and tore down everything asunder cause he wanted the team to play to his dream and fantasy.

I curse upon the ground Martinez walks on

Jamal Paktongko
82 Posted 21/01/2022 at 02:32:40
I think Farhad was unlucky when he picked Benitez

I think Benitez is not the same Benitez that shone in Newcastle and Liverpool

I believe the now Benitez is having the early effects of sinility

The dude came to Everton and the first thing he did was to have feuds with the players

He had his first feud with Jamie Rod, then with Bernard, then he had feuds with Brands and he told Big Dunc to stop yelling and just sit pretty. Don't forget his feud with the Archie.

And lastly his feud with DIgne which was the start of his end

It was like he wanted to get rid of everyone who looked at him wrongly. Hyper sensitivity is one of the early signs of sinility.

Instead of doing the simple things like concentrate and not conceding simple goals via set pieces, he decided to have quarrels with his players and other staffs.

Farhad should've have made Benitez go for a full psychiatric evaluation first before giving him the big bucks

Now, the Benitez dude has tore down almost all of the existing infrastructure and he is gone leaving behind a large hole to fill

Laurie Hartley
83 Posted 21/01/2022 at 03:15:13
Jamal #81 & 82 - you won’t have voted for Martinez as our next manager then😉
Excuse me if I am wrong in thinking you are new to ToffeeWeb. If you are - welcome. I think you are going to liven things up.
Christine Foster
84 Posted 21/01/2022 at 03:15:19
I think my recent interactions with the medical profession have left me bereft of the ability to make sense of this club. Perhaps in truth I never had it before and I am thinking more clearly? Whatever..
Last time Ferguson got the gig he was ecstatic, thrilled to bits. I am sure he is proud to have been turned to once again but it would appear he has also been told in no uncertain terms he is not being considered full time. He will do the business but second time around sort of feels more like a job to be done than a dream fulfilled.
Can he do it? Should he do it? Would he do it? Of course the last one is a given in my book, but should he do it and if so, can he actually do it week in, week out. The gloss will fade and it will become hard work and all too suddenly he would be up against a wall. On the balance of stuff I am tending to think he should keep that memory rather than chance the basket case of a board. I also think that if he wants to stay as a coach, fair enough, but any new man will bring in HIS No 2. So if he wants management then its not going to be Everton, at least not yet. I said the other week that if he does want to get into management (I am not sure he does) then a gig in Scotland would be good to break his teeth (or someone else's) on.
Moshiri has spent an absolute fortune on managers alone, to come full circle and appoint Ferguson would be a monumental slap in the pocket to him and his integrity.
Billic? No.. an imposter. Potter? no, just not good enough Rooney? no but I understand why he would want to.. and I doubt he would come before the end of season anyway.
Lampard.. Hmm not sure about that one..
Frankly, what or whoever we as fans chose is a pointless exercise with Kenwright and Co choosing. As I said before I feel this is going to come out of left field..
Alan J Thompson
85 Posted 21/01/2022 at 03:30:18
Is it not possible for Everton to hold these interviews in confidence. I know they may need other clubs permission to speak to candidates but it doesn't do much to help the intermediate manager's task. Was it not possible to at least intimate that Ferguson may be being considered on a permanent basis. It just seems a rush to appoint a future former manager, but if you only put in 5% of your time I suppose you are under a time limit.
Jack Convery
86 Posted 21/01/2022 at 03:35:32
Whoever it is needs to be put in place pronto. Given Paul the Esks report on our finances, we really are a lot worse off than I think we all imagined.

Given the constraints when it comes to transfers, it going to be Bosmans all the way next summer. Unless we sell some of our crown jewels,

Here are a tasty few "freebies" to chew the fat over, who are all available in the summer.

The best of the lot a commanding CB who can play LB. Allesio Romagnoli (age 27) AC Milan's current Captain - 12 caps for Italy. Currently earns approx £5.8m pa. However AC Milan want to cut his salary if he renews his contract. He is willing to take a 42% cut but Milan want to cut it by more. He has asked for £3.5m pa. We pay Kean that !! This fella would be a killer signing and a captain for next 4/5 years. The defensive lynch pin we have been crying out for.

Brazilian CB Luiz Felipe (age 23) at Lazio. Always Plays 90m, never gets injured. 21/22 - 19 appearances. Barca are after him so he must have something about him.

The next one is controversial I know, however if EFC get an offer for Pickford, that they cannot refuse, this guy would be the perfect replacement.
Sam Johnstone (age 28 )WBA. 11 clean sheets so far in the Championship for 21/22. Gareth Southgates 3 rd choice England g/k.

All 3 are available on a free. Wages would be lower than we usually offer but still ore than these guys are on now. Romagnoli is a pipe dream, I know but if you want to know if he's interested, you can always ask him and show him the money.

Sell Keane and Holgate anyway. Paid too much for what they both offer and are capable of.

PS: RB wanted Longstaff, not just because he had worked with him before but also because he's the only DM available on a free next summer. Makes some kind of sense now, given how skint we apparently are these days. Give Paul the Esks atricle a read. it's an eye opener !

Darren Hind
87 Posted 21/01/2022 at 04:43:51
Barry Hesketh @65

"I don't read Duncan's statement as somebody ruling themselves out of the running"

There's a fucking good reason for that Barry. You can read and if you listened to the interview. There is nothing wrong with your hearing either.

Ferguson has been handed the most poisoned of chalice's.
He is tasked ONCE AGAIN with halting an alarming free fall with players he didnt choose, who's confidence has been absolutely fucking shredded by two gutless managers who have very told the entire world they are not good enough.

Once again he is having to do it against superior opposition. But I see him offer no excuses. No "I'm not a magician" whines from him, No blaiming the crowd. No bleating, No Moaning. No griping. Just a step up to the plate.

He knows Villa are favorites. He knows they are a better side and as an Evertonian he fully recognises the full consequences of defeat.
If he only does as well as the two previous "world class" managers did in their last dozen or so games, we lose tomorrow. He knows this too,

Ferguson is under enormous pressure. The club he loves are on the brink. He knows this group of players have had whatever confidence they had battered out of them and would be unlikely to cope if sucked into a relegation battle. He knows defeat tomorrow, is unthinkable.

I see no evidence of fear. I see no backward steps. I simply see and hear a proud Evertonian stick his chest out in the face of adversity and call a million fellow Evertonians to arms.

Ferguson is on record as saying he dreams of managing Everton, but he also knows he has been replaced and overlooked. He also knows that the club are very publicly looking elswhere. for Rafa's replacement... but make no mistake. If he can turn this ship around enough to force the owner into giving him the offer of an extended run. Mr Moshiri will be relieved of a hand

Jamie Crowley
88 Posted 21/01/2022 at 04:47:17
Jerome @ 80 -

You bring something up I'd never thought of or considered.

Martinez as DOF, not the manager.

Would fans be okay with this? I understand the angst with Martinez as manager, but DOF? I'd think he actually might be well suited to such a role somewhere, at some team?

Or is it still just "hell no" when it comes to Roberto being anywhere near Everton for most folks?

If Dunc doesn't take the reins now, it would bet disappointing.

I like Frank, I like the way his Chelsea team played, I think he didn't get enough time there to fully implement his system with his chosen, younger players.

Why does the idea of a Lampard-Martinez combo excite me? Jesus, the football would be crazy fun to watch.

Of course that combo could easily see us crash and burn. But honestly, as shite as we are presently, I'm just like "fuck it, go for it."

Sure as hell beats Bilic FFS, or any other diva Euro jackwagon out there.

Jamie Crowley
89 Posted 21/01/2022 at 04:48:56
Hey Christine:

Lampard.. Hmm not sure about that one..
Frankly,.

You do that on purpose?

Terry Downes
90 Posted 21/01/2022 at 05:23:21
If we’re talking about a DOF then I would go all out to get Martinez for that role he bought more good than bad players and apparently wand VVD before he signed for Southampton that’s if he’d accept the job ?
Christine Foster
91 Posted 21/01/2022 at 05:36:00
Jamie, would I do that? I ask you.. :-) Seemed too good to pass, frankly..
Bill Rodgers
92 Posted 21/01/2022 at 05:42:24
I saw only yesterday that Ferguson called for the players to "run their legs off" for the team. That's what we need – commitment.

What a shame that such an idea had not occurred to him until now.

Mike Gaynes
93 Posted 21/01/2022 at 05:57:23
Jack #86, great job on the research.

A hearty AMEN on Romagnoli, but I read something about our old friend Carlo wanting him at Real Madrid.

Duncan McDine
94 Posted 21/01/2022 at 07:34:09
This news has pissed on my chips. I can’t blame Ferguson if he isn’t up for the big job, but is it more a case of him not being considered? Will we ever know? The list of candidates makes me feel sick.
Jamal Paktongko
95 Posted 21/01/2022 at 08:05:00
If you look at it closely, Everton did not play badly under Benitez

Our only problem was we kept letting in easy goals from set pieces and counter attacks

All Benitez had to do was stem this tide and the results would have been much different than now.

He actually had the formula when we drew with Chelski. We made sure our defense was leek proof and even the goal could've been saved by Jordan.

He should have kept it that way with all the other teams.

But he didn't want to cause the dude is turning senile.

Farhad should've had him undergone a full psychiatric evaluation before giving him the job

I think Benitez needs to see a specialist real soon

Bobby Mallon
96 Posted 21/01/2022 at 08:19:00
Kieran good shout
Ernie Baywood
97 Posted 21/01/2022 at 08:28:56
Jamie 88... I think Martinez would make a good DoF. He's intelligent, seems to be really well connected (and able to make great connections) and he's all about having vision.

I think where he failed as our manager was that once things started going wrong, he didn't have the kind of man management to turn things around. But you couldn't fault his persistence and staying true to his ideals rather than changing plan as soon as something went wrong. That's admirable even if it drove us to despair.

With a football person, a leader of men in the dugout, I'd absolutely go with Martinez as a DoF.

Mind you, as I type I'm watching Alcaraz lose in the Aus Open and it's bringing up some bad memories!

Jerome Shields
98 Posted 21/01/2022 at 09:23:45
Jamie#88

I do think Martinez was in the main adept at selecting players. I wonder how he would have played Niasse had he got the chance. He also adds another scapegoat layer for the Board.

There is no doubt that he would add to middle field and attack. A Manager to compliment him would need to be strong in defence and know some replacement defenders and know how to apply the Martinez attacking system. Lampard would be the ideal and even better if John Terry joined the coaching staff. Belgium suited him since they had a ready made defence who would have told him to F. . . Off. As did Everton , though with less reliable characters.

But I am concerned about Rooney Bill's blood brother from the other side of the track and also the Kia Joorabchian/Cannavaro / Moshiri connection. Though Moshiri appears a busted flush regarding Manager selection, could Usmanov want him to play God again, assist by Kia, like the last time.

I never ever considered Duncan as permanent Manager. He is already part of the Permanent Strategic Plan of self preservation.

Denis Hignett
99 Posted 21/01/2022 at 10:53:43
Ferguson for the rest of the season.
If Chelsea don't win the Champions League they will sack the manager.
Tuchel anyone?
Alan McMillan
100 Posted 21/01/2022 at 11:46:23
Rooney for me. He has won the lot with United, he can handle the pressure. He worked under SAF for so many years so he obviously has picked up a lot from that. He may not come across as the most intelligent during his interviews, but he seems honest and it looks as if he has a great connection/comradery with the Derby players.

Yes he is young and inexperienced as a manager, but so was Howard Kendall when he first became boss. We all know it took a while for things to click under HK, but when it did, they were the glory days we all reminisce about.

He may have baggage, but at least it's out in the open (what we know anyway) He understands the club, he gets our identity, it's in his DNA. I would like to think that the vast majority of the fans would get behind him.

If he wanted to finish the season at Derby, I'd respect him more for that, with Duncan and Co. until then.

Tony Hill
101 Posted 21/01/2022 at 13:47:45
I still think we’re going to end up with Martinez but if Ferguson goes well then who knows? Him and Baines - let us pray.
Tommy Carter
102 Posted 21/01/2022 at 14:45:45
I’m flabbergasted once more with reported targets just now.

Ferguson deserves a run of games. That is clear.

For the last few appointments, all have been in preference to Duncan and all have been a disaster. Under Moshiri we have tried and failed with a ‘proven’ premier league achiever in Koeman, a young and upcoming manager in Silva, and a truly world class manager in Ancelotti.

As for Benitez, the less said the better. Evertonians we’re treated like mugs with this appointment. A real insult.

None of this has worked. Moshiri is attempting to replicate models and strategies that have worked elsewhere. It’s nonsense. The time is for Everton to lead their own way out of this mess. And we do it by sticking to our own and we do it our way.

The club needs to find an identity. It is lost. It currently has no identity at all.

Cahill in as sporting director and Duncan as manager. Then find a structure to support Duncan.

There is too much focus on his shortcomings for my liking. Why not focus on what he is good at

He will do the simple things well I’m sure of it. And football is a simple game. He recognises what the fans want. Ultimately which is to win. But he knows that fundamentally, we want to see passion, commitment and unity from our players. He will demand this.

He will recognise that we need to win most games at Goodison. He will recognise that we need to trust and develop young players. He will recognise that inflated egos are not welcome in our squad and won’t spend millions of bringing people like that into our football club.

Nicholas Ryan
103 Posted 21/01/2022 at 16:42:07
I couldn't help noticing an interesting comparison in the recent managerial shenanigans. The Board were loud in support of the return of Roberto Martinez, but none of them suggested, for one second, the return of Marco Silva.

Let's look at that. Martinez left 'tail between legs', went to manage the world's No 1 national team, with moderate success. Zero club management experience since he left.

Silva left 'tail between legs'; after some time out of work, went to manage Fulham. Fulham currently top of the Championship, by 5 points; have scored 70 goals; Goal Difference of 47, ie, 140% better than the team in 2nd, Bournemouth.

Now, I am not advocating the return of Marco Silva; I am just pointing out that such an idea would seem to have solid recent evidence to support it, whereas the return of Martinez... would not.

Allan Board
104 Posted 21/01/2022 at 16:44:59
I would have no issue with Frank Lampard. Served a good apprenticeship at Derby and built a very good young Chelsea side.

Young, a winner, and his spat with Tombstone Teeth across the way shows he fears no-one. And he was a great player.

Just get rid of Kenwright first.

Tony Hill
105 Posted 21/01/2022 at 17:29:21
For what it's worth, I've been told that the Lampard, Rooney and Cannavaro stories are all crap. Martinez is the only game in town through Kenwright, and Moshiri hasn't got a fucking clue.

I think there's a route here for Ferguson, if only he can take it.


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