Van de Beek joins Everton on loan

I can't see that we'll be in a position to stump up that kind of money by then anyway so he'll be an important stop gap and nothing more until such time as our new manager can a) keep us up and then b) promote or hire his own central mid players. Even then, investment in Van de Beek or someone else will very likely require outgoings first.

Advantages of choosing Crystal Palace:

1: Living in London
2: Playing for a settled team not fighting relegation
3: Not risking having a relegation on his CV
4: Playing for a manager who would have clear idea of where to fit him in the team
5: Easier for his world Cup manager to watch him play
6: A chance to join the club permanently if the loan goes well, as they could afford him.

I would much prefer Loftus-Cheek.

Sorry, couldn't resist, but from what I've seen of him at Man Utd, of which admittedly, he has had limited appearances, he hasn't triggered any 'wish we had him', or 'there's a player' reactions. Now whether that was the system, or the role he was asked to perform, because he looked okay at Ajax.

There again, so did Klaassen, and we all know how that turned out. In his mitigation, if he is on Frank's Wanted List, then he must see something that I haven't, and I bow to his superior know-how if that is the case.

It will be an interesting last-minute scramble as per usual, so just sit back and wait!

He is on loan and could be better than some of wbat we have got. He is better than no-one at this stage in the Transfer Window. They are trying to get rid, that is certain.

It makes you wonder what input Benitez had into this January Transfer Window. No money was being bandied about and still isn't. Hopefully Frank knows an alternative and has a say.

"He'd be quackers to turn down the opportunity." 😜🦆

1: London is a shithole
2: if we win games in hand we are above CP
3: See 2
4: Would argue Frank knows how to play AM maybe even more than Viera would
5: CP is just as far from an airport as we
6: We could afford him in the summer.

….appreciate times are grim, but trying to argue Crystal Palace are bigger and better than us, is just rank stupidity. IF he chooses them over us it’ll be for something like minor like he thinks he’ll play more, or he just gets on well with Viera in a chat.

Nobody has claimed that Crystal Palace is a bigger club, but from a player's perspective, at this moment in time, there is no doubt that they are much more attractive club to join.

From what I've seen of Van de Beek there are some valid similarities with Klaassen in that his best attribute is probably his movement and footballing intelligence. Van de Beek is a bit stronger and quicker than Klaassen (though not as athletic as I'd personally want) and will get more involved defensively. He covers a good amount of ground and should help create space for others.

He's an all-rounded player who should offer energy and movement in the middle as well as the ability to link midfield and attack. He could play as an AMC but has mainly featured at MC.

He'd help, but I wonder if we'd be better off getting a sitting DMC who could allow Allan and Doucouré to roam.

A loan is to get more football for the player.

We have a massive hole in the centre of the park. He will play for us.

Palace have a few options in cm including Gallagher who is their star man.

I can see him choosing us purely to play more games.

Whether he is any good or not remains to be seen as he really has struggled at utd for any minutes which doesn't bode well.

As I said on the previous thread, given a run of games, he could be the number 6 we need to mind the gap.

From the little I've seen of him, a footballer who actually likes the football and can spot a pass. A forward one.

Shame we didn't manage to get the best out of him here. He was a big signing (£10M) and well thought of when we got him.

Pity we can't seem to get many players who can take the next step. As seen with Gordon sometimes it just needs that extra confidence being with the first team squad brings.

Let's hope Dobbin can make the next step.

People compare with Klassen, but Van Der Been was far superior. Tha Ajax team that got t the semis, and really should have been in the final, were excellent and Van Der beek was the beating heart. Can play as no10, and also can play as no8. For Ajax he had goals and assists and generally knitted the team together.

At Utd he's been stunted mainly becaause Pogba and Fernendes.

On loan this would be a great deal...still need another, more defensive midfielder mind.

But compared to Gomes,van der Beek could be a huge upgrade.

As for a sitting no 6 I think we should go for Mönchengladbach-midfielder Denis Zakaria who is out of contract in the summer. Maybe an £8m offer would tempt them to sell him now?

I think you've mixed up Bowler's transfer fee with Lookman's.

We picked up Bowler from QPR for £1 million, not £10 million. Lookman was an initial £7.5 million, rising to £11 million with add ons. Not sure if he ever achieved the targets that would have triggered the add ons, but either way we made a profit on him selling him to Red Bull Leipzig for £15 million.

Bowler has found his level at the Championship with Blackpool. Did well in our U-23s, but never looked one capable of stepping up to the PL first team.

This is Everton we are talking about.

Strangled by Ffp apparently. Sells a major asset for well less than market value to a direct rival.

Then spunk the money on 2 players that couldn't even make the match day squad whilst we have a massive whole in the centre of the park to fill.

Only Everton.

My walk from home to the station was always interesting.

Luxurious it ain't but then I spose he wouldn't have to actually live there like us peasants. Anyway, Palace isn't exactly a glamour gig is what I'm saying.

We need him and at leat 2/3 more signings. Our midfield is not good enough to keep us up. This is really last throw of the dice! Players save clubs from relegation not just the managers. He will be here on loan, we really have nothing to lose.

Keep going Everton, more players needed!!!

Anthony Barry leaving Chelsea would mean him coming back to his roots. He’s from Childwall and, after leaving Everton, played for Chester and Wrexham amongst other lower league sides. So, maybe not so much of a wrench. It would depend on the age of his offspring and their education needs I suppose.

But hopefully he wouldn’t become another Dutch clog, on the list of Everton Dutch failures over the years.

Surely the wheels of fate and fortune must turn the corner soon.

Hopefully he'll choose Crystal Palace.

There are other players who may be available to buy, if we can raise the funds (Loftus-Cheek, Alli). But the ridiculous decision to sign a winger on loan from Aston Villa has left us a little bit hamstrung. (Not a go at the player, but we already had 5 options for that role.)

I would assume that Lampard has some ideas on potential signings from abroad as well. Tomorrow could either be a hectic revolving door at Finch Farm, or a real disappointment. Either way, my phone will be fully charged awaiting updates and rumours.

It's pretty clear we have little to no intention of including him in matchday squads.

He hasn't done well at Man Utd because initially Ole (I'm not going to attempt his surname) rarely played him so he never really had the chance to get going. He's an excellent footballer, something we often lack at Everton – actual footballers in the purest sense.

We haven't really had one since (wait for it) Gareth Barry who – despite the derision on here – was also a really good footballer.

I'd be delighted with Van de Beek myself, but also Ruben Loftus-Cheek could be a beast for us – although he does have fitness worries doesn't he? Yeah, he'll be a good fit at Everton.

Those who know me will know I'm a massive fan of the Dutch footballing system and it's ability to consistently churn out top quality players. Considering their place as a relatively small country by population, they put us to shame and punch way above their weight.

For the sake of balancing the debate, what they seem to produce are individuals, not team players. It's what has held them back at the national level because they never quite jell as a team.

Stereotyping here, but what you tend to get with the Dutch player is a self-centred individual. They are also very outspoken and direct people by nature. Those who have worked with them will understand that. So they don't always fit in. But they produce some great players.

He's a quality player who does things that nobody else in our team can do. He dictates the pace of games, finds space, can pick a through-ball, works hard, and can Keep the ball in tight spaces.

Just because he doesn't suit Man Utd's system, or the fact that his competiton just happens to be one of best in the country, meaning Bruno Fernades, doesn't mean he's a crock of shit.

Who are you expecting us bring in? Foden, De Bruyner, or Silva? Some have already sacked Lampard on here, try getting behind our team instead of just waiting and wanting us to fail.

Brent '27 & JZ @3, whether he is married or not, I presume he has bought or long term rented a House in the Manchester Area, so that would also be a major consideration, as he could commute to Finch Farm. As others have already said too, Crystal Palace, is a distance from, although technically in Greater London, and not the best of areas.

Brian W @ 39, " Bleeding Donny Osmond would improve it let alone Donny Van De Beek." Is this' Puppy Love' on your part ? 'Crazy Horses' would be needed to get him down sarf, but then again, 'I'm Leaving It All Up To You'. :-)

This ownership will never ever learn – they will always want to interfere in transfers. I hope Lampard will tell Moshiri what Clough said to Sam Longsdon: "You just write the checks and leave buying players to me."

That's the only way this club will ever move forward because, if they keep meddling in things they know nothing about, we will never get back to where we want to be.

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Excellent, now just a couple more please Everton.

C'mon Frank, we need you to hit the ground running.

I don't disagree with your overall point. But to me, the issue is really that, for ages now, it's been hard to know for sure who is calling the shots with transfers.

Would like us to get another in now, maybe even more difficult as we’ll have to buy. Still think we need reinforcements to the engine room, but very hard to get the right player in January, especially with a day and a half left to do it.

His youtube showreel isn't impressive so hopefully he's just a reasonable "filler" for the sick notes although his Nathan Cleverly/ Davy Klassen style puts him firmly in the box seat for unofficial whipping boy - what a joy.

Maybe Mosh is catching on that top dollar acquisitions from the reserves of others isn't a winning policy or maybe he's just on a yacht off his tits singing "danny boy" with 4 dancing girls and a retriever. Answers on a post card pls

"Palace are a much more attractive club to join."

Do me a favour!!!! Excellent signing if done.

Yes, that thought crossed my mind, you could be correct that Lampard does want him, and that means we can't sign another player, on loan, from the Premier League.

On one hand, it shows that we haven't moved on much since 2004.

On the other, that didn't work out too badly. Let's see how a player not fancied by others fits in before judging.

Welcome to Everton.

I assume you mean Tom Cleverley rather than the former boxer from Caerphilly? Although with Everton, you never know...

I mentioned it last summer, when we were also interested in him, manure wouldn't play ball then, they fear us less in our current predicament.

My recollection of events leading up to Cahill joining was that he'd agreed to join Palace and intended to honour that commitment; however, seemingly his agent was demanding a hefty fee to conclude the transfer. The CEO at Palace baulked at his demands and Palace withdrew their offer, allowing EFC to secure his signature.

I'm assuming we were happy to meet the agent's demands. I wouldn't want to state that categorically but I believe that was how sections of the media reported it at the time.

First thing Frank said was, "I'll make a man out of you" to which Donny replied, "Any dream will do", a teary eyed Bill looked at the two of them and said "Puppy Love" before Donny placed a call to Vieira at Palace and said "Go Away Little Girl".

Donny van de Beek set to sign on loan from Manchester United

Great catch.

As usual I have no idea what I'm talking about and if I'd got his first name "Tom" there's every chance I would have written "Tom Jones". Won't be long before I can't tie my shoelaces 😂

Personal view is that the appointment of Lampard might have been the clincher for Dobbin and Van de Beek. Not sure we'd have this outcome with Pereira etc.

As for our Premier League loan restrictions – I'm not sure who we would now loan anyway in addition to El Ghazi and Van de Beek.

No immediately obvious candidates for reserve striker or defensive midfielder or centre-half.

Perhaps we could still loan from overseas though?

If he puts in a shift and we can get some decent results then it will be a worthwhile deal.

Only question is that he hasn't been able to get regular starts with a very average Manure side.

2020-21 – Matches 19, Goals 1, Assists 1

2021-22 – Matches 8, Goals 1, Assists 0

Not sure about this guy. Lingard is okay as he scores goals. A DM and a decent CB would be good too. Lots of horse trading in next 24+ hours.

Lampard and a few arrivals by tomorrow would completely change the outlook for us.

Regarding your stats you neglected to mention:

2021-22 - 67 minutes in total, all 8 appearances as a sub
2020-21 - 512 minutes in total, 15 of the 19 appearances as a sub

Either that or he’s looking for the Arteta money so he can bid for Loftus Cheek

Played 37: 10 goals, 11 assists

Played 57: 17 goals, 10 assists

The Eredivisie is much weaker than the Premier League of course but this includes strong performances in European football.

His lack of game time at Man Utd arises from the fact that they should never have bought him, because they needed someone more like Fabinho to complement Pogba and Fernandes.

If we play a high tempo 4-3-3, then Van de Beek will be a good fit alongside Allan and Doucouré.

Regardless, I think he is the wrong type of midfielder that's needed. A defensive midfielder in the Kante mould was required.

We need some more faces in for sure.

If this is true, I'm pointing the finger at Moshiri (not Kenwright), for me it's logical that Lampard would want a midfielder that's proven and performing at Premier League level. I don't think he'd want to take a chance on a kid that's having confidence issues or just not sure of himself.

Moshiri is our biggest danger, not Kenwright.

Yer onto plums mate as I clearly inserted a disclaimer in there.

This isn't Scottish law here, y'know!

Moshiri or Kenwright to blame? One is naive and foolish the other looks after himself.

I think he will be a real asset: My abiding worry now is the defence and those available in the defensive midfield roles. That will be the priority for the new manager. Donny will be very good in the transition and I think Richalison in particular will benefit from his through balls.

I assume that's a loan until May and no obligation to buy at any time; rather than no obligation to buy until May.

Probably none available though, or at least not in our price range!

The fact that you'd openly admit to taking down his poster shows what sort of person you are!

Heretic!

A) You're right about him knowing more about Kenwright than the tool who writes for the Mail.

And B) I didn't realise that I'd written instead of Oliver Twerp! I put it down to stress caused by the lockdown... or maybe the stay behind! :)

Unfortunately there is no money, it's already been squandered. The 2020-21 financial results will be released in the coming days, with a huge loss expected. They're going to show how incompetent the running of the club has been so far.

If Lampard is in by Monday he's got less than a week to see what he's up against. Hopefully a win in the cup can spur our season on and get it back on the much needed track.

ps: Let's not detract from the shit show going on behind the scenes with Kenwright et al.

The season has been mismanaged but the last few days of Benitez will prove to be the iceing on the cake. We could have loaned another centre-forward or central midfielder. Crazy!!

If he succeeds, Bill will be happy.

(And I've only just stopped chuckling at my previous post.)

We needed a midfielder and we got one, I am not expecting anyone else between now and the close of the window. Unless Frank wants to pick Derby's pocket for Knight on the cheap maybe? The El Ghazi business looks stranger and stranger by the day.

I am curious about the delay in announcing Lampard, I wonder (hope more like) if we are announcing a DoF as well, hence the delay, and package it like a well thought-out dream team? Doubt it.

I just hope Lampard had given some sort of okay on the move; otherwise, it might be a waste. But at least we can ship him back end of season if he doesn't work out. But we need players in the midfield and he'll help fill that void.

Need a few more like him by tomorrow!

If this loan has only taken place today, then Frank must have known about it and my view is that the Board/Kenwright?Moshiri, take your pick, would not have gone ahead and lost the favoured candidate.

Whatever has taken place, we've got him and according to several posters, he's an intelligent playmaker and can also chase back to hep the defence. So he's part of our squad, and we'll see if our new manager can get the best out of him and also the lad from Aston Villa. We've got 3 midfielders out for at least a month and with another midfield schemer lost, seemingly, forever now,
So it's fine by me that this lad can spread the ball about. It's the middle of defence with Keane in it that worries me most. We might have Mina back and Branthwaite looks the part. We might get someone on loan from europe but time is pressing.

And then to scroll back and find out that Derek and Brian are in quippy humor mode... well, it's a nice Sunday already.

I don't understand the criticism, the reason he can't get in the Man Utd team is Fernandes, and with Doucouré out and Delph a waste of space, we're lacking in midfield.

Hopefully, Lampard will be unveiled shortly and buy a couple of more additions by tomorrow night.

Mike. They are a tiny bit but I'm using all the underhand methods I know to quell them.

Brian, appreciate your efforts.

I suppose it boils down to, is there anyone that Lampard reckons will improve either (or both) midfield strong arm or centre half (brick shithouse type who scare the pants off opposing forwards!).

I wouldn't mind an extra forward that can stick the ball away from any angle (dear Father Christmas!).

In the end, between now and Summer, it's all hands to the pumps and our support will be extremely important.

Big Yerry is headed home early. Picked up a yellow in Colombia's shattering home loss to Peru, and is suspended for their game with Argentina on Tuesday. Haven't seen confirmation that he's been released to head back to Merseyside, but assume he has. Yay.

Great news about Yerry. Coming back from Columbia unscathed is a big boost for us...

He's an attacking central midfielder and that's exactly what we are and have been lacking all season.

The El Ghazi move was clearly Kia Joorabchian's fingerprints all over it, he wasn't even a Benitez signing, let's be honest, and it wouldn't shock me if he's this season's Anthony Gardner.

Doesn't it look ridiculous now, that we signed El Ghazi, especially when we didn't need another winger and can't bring in any more players on loan?p>

Meanwhile, is there a chance that El Ghazi may do a good job for us? You never know.

The exciting thing about this time is that I feel as though there may be surprises. It's fresh air.

Brian & Christy, we've needed "another winger" ever since we bought Iwobi, and I'm telling ya that El Ghazi has goals we need and he is gonna win an important game for us. Just one would be worth it.

The victim posted social media images of the alleged attack.

He remains in custody.

Also there was speculation that El Ghazi was tied to the Digne exit which was needed in my opinion. Picking up DVdB should be seen as potentially adding someone who could make Richy and DCL more effective while giving another possession option in our own third. Ive not seen him in counterattack mode but he fits the bill there.

At this point we(they) are doing what is available and we’ve done okay here. If we could buy a 6 on cheap terms we’ll take it but thats a gamble. We may be depending on Gbamin for some decent minutes

What we are all perhaps forgetting that we started this season with
our manager suddenly leaving after just 18 months
our main playmaker being removed from the team
our luxury player wanting to leave because the manager left
having nothing to spend, not because we had no money, but because we were not allowed to.

That is not even fighting with one hand behind your back, that is one hand behind your back, a ball and chain around the ankles and a blindfold.

What we are all perhaps forgetting that we started this season with
our manager suddenly leaving after just 18 months
our main playmaker being removed from the team
our luxury player wanting to leave because the manager left
having nothing to spend, not because we had no money, but because we were not allowed to.

That is not even fighting with one hand behind your back, that is one hand behind your back, a ball and chain around the ankles and a blindfold.

Fast forward to Everton and Man U who play like they are running on treacle and you can understand why they have suffered.

And Paul #173, nobody has any idea whether Van de Beek "can't seem to play in a more up-temp league" because he hasn't had the chance to play in this one yet. Ole and Ralf have given him less than 600 league minutes -- about 7 games -- in two seasons. Can't judge a guy on that, especially in a team as talent-laden and dysfunctional as United.

Cripes. Give the man a chance.

Iwobi has not shown any consistent form, (except bad!) and El Ghazi may well prove to be a real good asset.
I'll have a look at the dutch lad first before saying he's like Klaasen, we need as Dale, and Phil have pointed out more goals and more chances made for DCL and Richie, from the middle of the park, not just from the wings. So let's see how we go before writing anyone off.

Will Everton FC be better for being managed by Frank Lampard? I think so.

Not forgetting that he will be thinking of making the Dutch team going to the Qatar World Cup and with the mind of getting a transfer to a better team at the end of the season.

Since he's coming on loan, it is better for us. Just hoping that we won't be relegated.

Salford spend £35M on a player and don't use him because he doesn't fit and I don't see any of the usual suspects saying 'Oh look! Everyone gets it wrong sometimes.'

On occasions, a player can fail with one cub and then become a superstar elsewhere. Chelsea and Salah for instance.

I hope that we give Donny van de Beek the chances to prove his talent. He should certainly be fired up. One thing I do believe is that, if he didn't have something, he would not have been in such demand 2 years ago.

I watched this lad play in Ajax's run to the champions league semi-final and he was superb.

Good addition.

Just looking ahead to the Cup game v Brentford, when we have hardly got a midfield due to injuries etc. This could be a Season defining Game as far as chasing that elusive piece of Silverware, plus it would really lift the whole Club from top to bottom.

Hope we still have those old tins of Brasso and Dura Glit !

The DvdB loan will be a welcome addition to provide someone in the middle of the park who is comfortable in posession, can pick a pass and offer a goal threat.

This is the type of player that we have missed all season especially loosing Rodriguez and Siggy. Having had next to no creativity in the middle has meant In most matches this season that any threat to opposing teams has come from wide areas only and the better teams have sussed this out quickly and neutralized the threats from out wide.

One good thing about Frank, he is Not afraid to give youth a chance, as I have said many a time it could just ignite the lad's career (whoever it is) and save us a fortune.

Kind of ironic the Bears and the Blues both getting new management in the same week, eh? Two honored old clubs in desperate need of revival.

I don't think I'll make it home now until my high school reunion in two years, but I've still got your address and I will be there for a game with you and the Chicago Evertonians. Save me a seat.

I think he's more of a number 6 than the 10 some are calling, but I'll be honest, I haven't seen a lot of him.

He's here, he's an Everton player.

And to the point about not working at one club but doing so at another, that's common, I won't bore everyone with Kevin Sheedy (okay, I just have), but a good reference to Salah above. And Kevin De Bruyne anyone? Probably my favourite Premier League player at the moment.

Apart from Kevin Sheedy.

He's a classy player and people are still complaining. I just don't get our fans sometimes.

But the fact is he will be the one quality footballer in our midfield.

So yeah, good addition. Need more.

You’d think that would be enough to get them out of relegation trouble. But hopefully not!

Good player, but is he good enough for us?
As our midfield is a weakness, so on paper yes, he improves the squad and probably the first team.

Is he suited to or good enough for the Premier league?
Questions remain. He appears a little more mobile than Klassen but I'm unconvinced.

I wanted 2 midfielders so the next needs to be more physical and athletic. Someone who will role up his sleeves and get stuck in but has the discipline and smarts not to become a liability.

For me that rules out a Dele or Lingard type. Probably back to Longstaff or hopefully Kante. Sorry, but I am allowed to dream.

Donny van de Beek

In some ways, both have had similar experiences, albeit at clubs operating at different levels.

Joining dysfunctional and unbalanced teams and clubs trying to get back to where they want to be with the constant managerial uncertainty in the background,

Let's see how he does for Everton. We need more players who like the ball at their feet.