Updated CSKA Moscow have agreed a loan deal for Jean-Philippe Gbamin who has been frozen out of the Everton first-team for most of the season.
Having been largely ignored by Rafael Benitez despite having finally regained some consistent fitness, Gbamin is reportedly not part of Frank Lampard's plans for the remainder of the season either and he has been allowed to leave on a temporary basis until the end of the season.
The Russian transfer window closes tomorrow and CSKA have completed a loan agreement with Everton that will involve the Moscow club paying 70% of the Ivorian's £65,000-per-week wages but an option to buy is not part of the deal.
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1 Posted 19/02/2022 at 19:25:56
2 Posted 19/02/2022 at 19:29:15
3 Posted 19/02/2022 at 19:56:14
4 Posted 19/02/2022 at 19:57:57
5 Posted 19/02/2022 at 19:59:08
6 Posted 19/02/2022 at 20:29:37
7 Posted 20/02/2022 at 05:18:50
8 Posted 20/02/2022 at 12:31:58
9 Posted 20/02/2022 at 12:36:58
10 Posted 20/02/2022 at 12:41:42
11 Posted 20/02/2022 at 14:57:20
Also, if he can play well in a lower league, his agent will have the ammo to get him a deal away from us in the summer.
What I saw in the pre-season games Gbamin has some talent. If he is so far behind in fitness, which will have been seen in training, then a move away now is the best solution.
I also think that Lampard will be happy to play youngsters who are fit and hungry ahead of him.
12 Posted 20/02/2022 at 15:24:31
As Martin says, this is the absolutely ideal solution. CSKA is one of the better clubs in a second-tier league. If Gbamin can perform in that situation, he may be of value to us in the future, either as a player or a revenue-generating sale. If not, at least we'll know. And in the meantime we get much of his salary off the books.
Jack #2, not really relevant. Moscow is 500 km from Ukraine, and I doubt there will be much combat up there.
13 Posted 20/02/2022 at 15:32:37
14 Posted 20/02/2022 at 16:04:11
Sell, just sell him whilst we can.
Otherwise play him and see if he is better than Gomes as a defensive central midfielder. The answer to that is Yes!
15 Posted 20/02/2022 at 16:17:32
I wouldn't be too sure we made a "daft mistake" loaning out Nkounkou. He had a very rough start at Standard Liege, seemed to pull himself together for a while, then fell back into poor form. He has now definitively lost his place at left-back to an 18-year-old Belgian named Alexandre Calut who wasn't even part of the first team until last month.
Nkounkou has played a total of 36 minutes in their last six games. He hasn't had a goal or assist all season. And if he isn't cutting it in Belgium, it seems clear the young man isn't ready for Everton.
16 Posted 20/02/2022 at 17:25:08
The Wolves game was different as he was thrown in at the deep end in a 2-man midfield that got swamped after he'd barely played in 2 years.
For the pittance we're likely to get for a loan fee, I'd keep him and use him as squad player. He wouldn't have done any worse than Gomes did on Saturday and he's been given countless chances.
17 Posted 20/02/2022 at 17:29:56
Never working out for him here, we should get him out the door by any means possible.
18 Posted 20/02/2022 at 19:26:01
I wonder if that summer instead of Gomes and Gbamin we'd bought Douglas Luiz and one of the many decent wingers who came to the Premier League that time (Saint-Maximim, Sarr, Pedro Neto etc) whether things might be quite different? Perhaps Marco Silva may even still be around?!
19 Posted 20/02/2022 at 19:37:00
At the time, he showed energy and skill not so much as an orthodox full-back but worth persevering with, like your countryman, Robinson. Another hasty decision.
20 Posted 20/02/2022 at 20:03:31
Hope there's an obligation to buy. Feel for the lad but time to offload these lads and get players who can help us.
21 Posted 20/02/2022 at 20:07:55
22 Posted 20/02/2022 at 21:25:33
Against Borham Wood, I would look to try the likes of Onyango, Patterson and Dobbin out, not too many changes, but at the same time, a chance to try the above three out.
23 Posted 20/02/2022 at 21:38:33
25 Posted 20/02/2022 at 22:05:05
Gomes is so up and down that we need options.
26 Posted 21/02/2022 at 04:21:40
27 Posted 21/02/2022 at 08:09:09
He had all the physical attributes and technical ability to become the heir to the Idrissa throne. The lad has had rotten luck (as have we generally with injuries) and I feel for him.
For whatever reason, he has not been trusted, Carlo called the situation "complex" so there may be confidence/mental health aspects to consider too.
He needs a chance in a team playing top-flight football to either find his feet or hasten his exit. He has no resale value right now and we might get his wages off the books. As I said, no-brainer. I would love to see him come good but that feels like a fairy-tale right now.
28 Posted 21/02/2022 at 10:18:17
I think Nkounkou has become more highly rated for not being played. He always looked a mobile, pacy attacking threat but it'll be interesting to see where his career goes.
I could see him being sold in summer for a modest amount – leaving Mykolenko and Godfrey to fight it out at left-back for a few years until Ishé Samuels-Smith is (hopefully) ready to start fighting for the spot age about 19 / 20.
29 Posted 21/02/2022 at 15:49:11
30 Posted 21/02/2022 at 16:50:53
He's the only defensive midfielder we have apart from Allan (I'm not including Delph, he probably has an apartment in the fitness centre) so I think it's a mistake letting him go on loan. He would have done a better job than Gomes last Saturday, unless Frank sees something different in training.
31 Posted 21/02/2022 at 16:58:20
32 Posted 21/02/2022 at 17:09:48
33 Posted 21/02/2022 at 17:29:29
There was a general opinion on here that Barkley was a "little timid" for a number of years after his leg break. But people on here expect Gbamin to hit the ground running. Let us wait and see.
34 Posted 21/02/2022 at 18:02:59
This move makes perfect sense. Game time under his belt, some confidence in the bank, and come back ready for a full pre-season. I don't think he's been injured this season (though I know he hasn't played really).
We've got him til the end of his contract if he doesn't play, so either shop window time or go time?
35 Posted 21/02/2022 at 18:10:34
Could have taken the Fresh Prince of Bell End with him (Gomes)!
36 Posted 21/02/2022 at 18:17:10
37 Posted 21/02/2022 at 18:30:45
I'm really surprised he hasn't been used in some of the U23 games. Without playing any games, it's difficult to see how he could regain any sharpness or match fitness.
Hope the move works out well for him.
38 Posted 21/02/2022 at 18:33:52
39 Posted 21/02/2022 at 18:34:12
Maybe this is the beginning of the end for him, but hopefully it will give him the game time he needs to reignite his passion in the game.
Looks a beast of a player and has shown some nice touches at times but, if his heart isn't in it, then we are never going to get the best out of him.
Hopefully it will do him some good and he will come back to show us what a good player he is.
Good luck, lad.
40 Posted 21/02/2022 at 18:35:21
He did look strong enough to handle the No 6 position but never looked comfortable throughout, always seemed to lose attention or confidence, which isn't unusual for the time off. This is probably the best move given circumstances.
41 Posted 21/02/2022 at 18:41:27
42 Posted 21/02/2022 at 18:54:08
43 Posted 21/02/2022 at 19:03:59
44 Posted 21/02/2022 at 19:04:08
45 Posted 21/02/2022 at 19:06:01
Let's hope he can move on a few more.
46 Posted 21/02/2022 at 19:07:42
47 Posted 21/02/2022 at 19:25:45
You really can't be.
48 Posted 21/02/2022 at 19:39:16
Every player needs a run of games, look what it did for Gordon. I hope that Lampard has the guts to give players a chance.
Gomes should never play for our club again. He is actually a match loser, and there aren't many of them around. He is a goal start to any opponent. He has perfected the, actually quite enviable skill, of looking good while actually being really bad.
Pickford has a bit of that too. Holgate has it in spades. Kenny has the second part of it. Seamus has it in reverse and Delph looks quite bad while really being utterly shite. Then we have Rondon and Tosun who are bad beyond words.
49 Posted 21/02/2022 at 19:41:29
Whether he is physically and mentally able to exercise that talent is another question altogether... one that hopefully will be answered in Russia.
Bill #46, to be honest, I have thought that from the moment the second catastrophic injury was announced. But I still hope against hope to be proven wrong. His contract with us runs through June 2024.
50 Posted 21/02/2022 at 19:46:47
51 Posted 21/02/2022 at 19:48:26
I'm going to have to watch that Hull match again, because if you'd have asked me before I read your post, I wasn't even aware that Gbamin had taken part!
However, I was overly concerned about the result and was fretting about Everton being knocked out. I have now looked up the team for that night and he came on in the 88th minute and played throughout Extra-Time and, according to the site I visited, he did assist Townsend's goal.
Football eh, you just can't rely on your own memory, well certainly when you reach a certain age.
52 Posted 21/02/2022 at 19:48:57
53 Posted 21/02/2022 at 19:51:54
I wonder if we'll try and bring in an out-of-contract player on about £25k for the rest of the season?
54 Posted 21/02/2022 at 19:52:27
55 Posted 21/02/2022 at 19:53:54
Tell ya what, if he is able to come back all the way, it'll be one of the most miraculous recovery stories you'll ever see.
56 Posted 21/02/2022 at 19:59:38
The very fact that he has got this far with his recovery is near-miraculous in itself. Like others, I don't think he will make it with us but really wish him well and hope he can do a job in a lesser league. Russia may just suit him.
57 Posted 21/02/2022 at 20:00:49
Andy and Barry, I still go back to when he debuted with us. Had a first-game nightmare away... was pulled at halftime... and then was MOTM the following week in a Goodison win over Watford I believe. I was so impressed with the confident way he had shaken off his first miserable performance so quickly. Got pretty excited about him.
And then, in training a couple days later, the sky fell in on the poor guy.
58 Posted 21/02/2022 at 20:01:16
I do hope Frank is reading such forums or walks around talking to fans within the community. He needs to understand the players from fans who watch, week-in and week-out.
As big as relegation would be for Everton, managers never recover from relegation. Start listening, Frank, as certain players are sinking you and the club. Game after game, players are letting the club down. You must get a tune from them now but you must be brave as well. Your choices have today become more limited.
59 Posted 21/02/2022 at 20:03:34
60 Posted 21/02/2022 at 20:08:43
He is exactly the player we need right now (or would be if fit).
Unfortunately, I expect he is physically finished.
61 Posted 21/02/2022 at 20:13:25
He is now either not arsed or genuinely terrified of getting injured again. Either way, he is stealing a living and all the France Under-21 caps in the world can't change that.
If he is so talented then why have we never seen it? Not once.
Talent? Really? If he concentrated more on applying himself instead of arguing with our fans in the family enclosure, who knows, he might have had a chance of a career with us.
He looks lovely and warm in that snood of his though. Nice and cosy.
62 Posted 21/02/2022 at 20:20:05
I just about remembered Bernard's goal in that Watford game, it's only as recent as August 2019, yet it seems to be from decades ago. The previous game, which was the opening game of the season at Palace, I read that he came on to replace Gomes shortly before half-time – the game where Schneiderlin was sent off in the 76th minute.
Line-up for Watford at Goodison Park, August 2019
63 Posted 21/02/2022 at 20:26:53
Moise Kean also made his debut as a second-half sub around 65 mins I think.
Gbamin was better in our second game at home to Watford but I don't remember him being MotM. Although I do remember him playing okay.
64 Posted 21/02/2022 at 20:44:24
Gomes definitely didn't work, and he did well against Hull.
I hope he gets his confidence back, gets plenty of games and comes back a new player. You have to credit him that he wants to go to Moscow to play football, as we have other players who wouldn't go out on loan in England, and just picked up their massive salaries.
65 Posted 21/02/2022 at 20:50:06
£65k a week, wish I was that poor.
66 Posted 21/02/2022 at 21:10:28
2016-17 injured for 5 games – thigh problems and muscular problems.
2017-18 injured for 9 games – pulled hamstring at the abductors, muscle strain, muscle problems.
2018-19 injured for 2 games – pulled hamstring at the abductors,
2015-2019: Games played for Lens and Mainz: 193. For Ivory Coast full / U21: 36 games. Total = 229. Total games missed through injury = 33.
Since joining Everton, he has played 8 games.
Surely the leg muscle injuries and especially the pulled hamstring at the abductors should have been a red flag. The Premier League is only for the very fit and any club looking to sign a player with a dodgy hamstring prior to signing, should be very wary indeed.
In case anyone is interested, Delph missed over 70 games for Man City before we bought him. Who is in charge??
67 Posted 21/02/2022 at 21:36:23
68 Posted 21/02/2022 at 21:48:40
The bigger picture really is one of impulsive buys with a lack of due diligence. Delph, I mean WTAF??
69 Posted 21/02/2022 at 22:11:08
As for appearances, think he picked up more points on his Driving Licence, for drink driving, while out injured, than points he picked up for the first team.
Good move for all involved.
70 Posted 21/02/2022 at 22:28:35
71 Posted 21/02/2022 at 23:20:46
72 Posted 21/02/2022 at 00:11:40
Speaking with other fans after the game, most were in the agreement that they were impressed and were expecting a big season for him. Obviously that hasn't happened.
The loan should be good for him. Either get him fit and ready to play regularly for us, or put him in the shop window.
73 Posted 22/02/2022 at 01:18:38
(Sorry, that's not funny at this serious time.)
74 Posted 22/02/2022 at 03:02:14
75 Posted 22/02/2022 at 04:36:25
To be fair to Oumar, he scored a couple of important goals to keep us out of the relegation battle under Koeman until the Premier League higher-ups said "All right, who do we make an example of for trying to con the referee – someone from a club that doesn't protest too loudly?!"
He was banned for 2 games just as he had scored a couple of goals and got us a penalty that got us 3 points. No, I loved his attitude. File him away under the likes of Stracqualursi, Rondon, etc. Guys who were not talented enough to play for Everton, but did not stop trying.
76 Posted 21/02/2022 at 07:23:57
Good luck to him. I wanted a fee before he moves for free. I can't believe that he can't get into our midfield. He must be a poor trainer.
77 Posted 22/02/2022 at 08:05:11
78 Posted 22/02/2022 at 08:12:09
79 Posted 22/02/2022 at 08:51:58
80 Posted 22/02/2022 at 09:30:42
As far as Gbamin is concerned, I expect him to do well at Moscow and secure a move. The Moscow team will probably be better than Everton at rehabilitation. Gbamin will be going into a better attitude environment.
As far as Everton is concerned, it reduces wages and Lampard has been advised that he will not be robust enough to play in the Premier League. It could be to suit.
Make your own mind up.
81 Posted 22/02/2022 at 14:01:55
Their medical treatment room is in Novosibirsk, apparently.
82 Posted 22/02/2022 at 14:31:52
The other day, there were discussions on this platform about the never-ending dire management decisions made at our club? Surely this transaction must go straight in at number 1 (just above Rafa selling Digne for insane stupidity)!!
ps: I nearly agree with Sean (@9) except there would be a few more!
83 Posted 22/02/2022 at 14:43:42
Something doesn't add up; he only played 6 times for Rangers all season, so who saw him play, and would Gerrard not have tried to sign him for Aston Villa if he was that impressive?
Seamus is 33, he cannot play every game. If Kenny wasn't good enough, we needed to buy an established full-back who can play now.
84 Posted 22/02/2022 at 14:51:00
85 Posted 22/02/2022 at 14:57:41
86 Posted 22/02/2022 at 15:04:45
Abramovich and Usmanov named by Dame Margaret Hodge in parliament as “kleptocrats who have stolen from the Russian people” and should be sanctioned. PM replies today's sanctions are “just part of the first barrage” & “Abramovich is already facing sanctions. Source: Tweeted by Paul Brown.
87 Posted 22/02/2022 at 15:15:10
88 Posted 22/02/2022 at 15:18:25
Yes, I agree it's unfortunate when players get injured… but it always seems to happen after they sign for Everton!!
There have been many disappointments with our signings compared to most but that must be down to bad scouting and managerial decisions.
This season is already a washout and, if we survive the drop – and we should –then hopefully Lampard gets the support from the board to move out much of the dross still on the books. This will help bring in a little more class, especially to the midfield areas, where we were very weak – even when everyone was fit.
89 Posted 22/02/2022 at 15:28:52
90 Posted 22/02/2022 at 15:40:25
Sanctions? 5 major banks and a few named individuals having assets frozen in the opening round.
I can't see how it would impact a football loan deal. Usmanov? Is he high enough up the food chain to be targeted? I don't know as I'm no financial wizard. Far from it.
Anyway, surely Everton are savvy enough to have done their homework in the event of? I'm here all night.
91 Posted 22/02/2022 at 15:41:37
Maybe it would be nice to hear about her thoughts on allowing the murderous regime that has just taken over at Newcastle? Talk about being a fit and proper person to own a football club. To think the way the Geordies vilified Ashley yet welcome the Saudi murderers with open arms.
92 Posted 22/02/2022 at 15:49:17
94 Posted 22/02/2022 at 16:16:09
Allan on paper looks like he can do the job but doesn't have the legs; both Van de Beek and Doucouré are better in a more attacking role while Davies has never showed he could tackle.
I leave out Gomes because he is such an obvious liability in that role and arguably any role. As for Delph, how would we know? It's been so desperate some have even proposed Holgate or Godfrey in that role.
Gbamin has been injury-free for some time now so, if not now, at a time of near desperation, when?
I've tried to stop thinking this way, because the idea of Gbamin has always appealed, but I think I may need to move on to the acceptance stage, that he won't be seen again in an Everton shirt.
95 Posted 22/02/2022 at 16:31:16
Take your point: high performance or else.
As for sanctions, Everton is set up to avoid them for property.
My accountant attended a conference in London, where a senior Inland Revenue official admitted that most of London Commercial property is owned and was transacted through a myriad of offshore companies, which makes it impossible to identify beneficial owners and tax liability.
96 Posted 22/02/2022 at 19:30:13
97 Posted 22/02/2022 at 19:40:49
98 Posted 22/02/2022 at 20:32:01
I'm sure you can attach many more names to that formula, and it almost beggars belief, but this is Everton. Hopefully Frank will be a lot more astute in getting players in who are suited to the roles, and not being potential sicknotes from the off. Plus offering more realistic contracts, with sensible options to extend rather than carte blanche 5 years, irrespective of consequences.
100 Posted 22/02/2022 at 21:50:19
In Gbamin's case, he was thrown under the bus away at Wolves by Benitez. Just doesn't make sense; he is the type of player we need with Doucouré injured, unless of course he is unable to recover from his injuries.
Hope this is the bottom and he comes back really strong and we finally get the strong athletic centre-midfield player we'd hoped for. Best of luck to the lad.
102 Posted 23/02/2022 at 05:10:02
That put a smile on my face, cheers.
104 Posted 23/02/2022 at 09:00:13
If Usmanov is in cahoots with Putin, then freeze his assets in this country and make sure sanctions against Russia cripple the richest and the country. Make the people realise Putin is a fucking nutcase who has robbed their country, along with Usmanov and Abramovich, for decades.
That ground of ours will be built by someone it's too much of a money-maker for it not to be built.
105 Posted 23/02/2022 at 09:20:27
Usmanov is reputed to have “solved” many business issues for Putin. In addition, Usmanov is married to Irina Viner, a legendary Olympic rhythmic gymnastics coach who helped Alina Kabaeva, widely believed to be Putins mistress, win gold in the 2004 Olympics.
If there is any truth in that, Alisher and Vladimir have probably been for a pint together now and again.
106 Posted 23/02/2022 at 10:11:41
Actually linking Usmanov to Everton would be difficult. The sponsorship is through a Company. He has never been a Director or Shareholder of Everton or had any direct financial involvement. He may have given unpaid advice. Even Moshiri, a UK passport holder who is resident in Monaco, is a shareholder but not a Director.
Everton is effectively financially controlled from offshore and set for this eventuality. It is Boris who is talking about sanctions, which have already fallen a long way short of his previous threats.
Boris taking actions pro-Brexit that would affect trade and London's offshore business is a non-runner. Other Premier League clubs may raise the issue, but Bill and Denise are stronger than ever on the Premier League committee, after the European Super League debacle.
107 Posted 23/02/2022 at 10:34:37
Although, as Evertonians, we are entitled to refer less to “paranoia” and more to “waiting for the inevitable”.
108 Posted 23/02/2022 at 11:11:49
He has had his assets frozen for years.
109 Posted 23/02/2022 at 11:17:08
110 Posted 23/02/2022 at 12:01:12
The Conservative Party have had huge donations from Russians who had links to Putin, and actually recommended one for a peerage. I would also ask Layla Moran and Margaret Hodge if they are so sure of their cases against Abramovich and Usmanov, then make the statements outside parliament. They won't because they can say what they like inside parliament because they are given diplomatic immunity.
Just to be absolutely clear, neither should have been able to invest in football clubs, and that's even more the case with Saudi investment in Newcastle Utd.
Obviously, like all fuel-rich Arab countries, they are realising that the oil cash cow is coming to an end so they are moving in all different directions to protect their wealth. And this country is helping them facilitate that.
111 Posted 23/02/2022 at 13:26:04
But let's face it, as with the recent selling of Newcastle to the Saudis, fans don't care where the money comes from or how the owners got it. Just as long as they keep spending it on ever-increasing transfer fees and wages. That's all that matters.
112 Posted 23/02/2022 at 13:43:46
In June, Sigurdsson, Delph, Tosun, and maybe Gbamin will release £300,000 + per week wages. It will give us a bit of financial headroom and a chance to rebuild.
113 Posted 23/02/2022 at 14:04:53
English players in the Premier League = 36%
English managers = 6 out of 20 (add Rogers & Moyes if you want to go British).
"Local owners" = 5.
114 Posted 23/02/2022 at 14:25:24
There have been 3 Scots in that time.
115 Posted 23/02/2022 at 15:24:16
Serie A is slightly better than England at 39%, the Bundesliga comes in at 42%, Ligue 1 has 47% with Spain's La Liga being top of the pile with 58%.
Now it does beg the question, those other 4 nations have always had a history of their players opting to gain experience in other countries and leagues, which can explain. We don't typically. So where are all the English players?
If the quote on Moscow paying 70% of his wage, that's a good financial deal for Everton I guess?
116 Posted 23/02/2022 at 16:22:56
After your head's up, I found the article on their website under the title Meet Putins Oligarchs Most Likely To Get Slapped With Sanctions By Biden Over Ukraine. Apparently Abramovich and Usmanov are at the top of the list.
Here's the full Usmanov summary, which doesn't mention Everton but certainly has some interesting information:
Usmanovs largest holding is steel giant Metalloinvest. Thanks to Yuri Milner, then chairman of Mail.Ru Group, formerly known as Digital Sky Technologies, Usmanov was an early investor in Facebook. Usmanov owns stakes in Chinese tech giant Xiaomi as well as other telecom, mining and media companies. He also caught the English soccer-team bug, once owning 30% of Arsenal. In 2018, Usmanov sold his stake for $712 million to American billionaire Stanley Kroenke, owner of the Super Bowl-bound Los Angeles Rams, among other valuable properties. Usmanov has repeatedly fronted for Putin and solved his business problems, according to the expert. In one instance, in 2006, Putins telecommunications minister, Leonid Reiman, was revealed as the owner of a stake in Megafon, a company his ministry oversaw. Soon after, Usmanov bought Reimans stake. In December, Usmanovs holding company sold its investment in Mail.Ru, which had been renamed VK, to Sogaz, an insurance company that is partly owned by Putin ally Yuri Kovalchuk, whose net worth is $3.6 billion. Usmanov also works closely with Andrei Skoch, another Russian oligarch (net worth: $7.7 billion) whom the U.S. sanctioned in 2018. Usmanovs ties with Putin go beyond business. Hes married to Irina Viner, a legendary rhythmic gymnastics coach who helped Alina Kabaeva, widely believed to be Putins mistress, win the gold medal at the 2004 Olympics. Given that the Biden administration is targeting oligarchs that have assets in the West, Usmanov fits the bill with vast real estate holdings peppered throughout Europe. He owns two sprawling estates in London–the Beechwood House and Sutton Place–that together are worth nearly $300 million. He also has properties in Munich, Monaco and Sardinia, among other locations.
Usmanov has repeatedly fronted for Putin and solved his business problems, according to the expert. In one instance, in 2006, Putins telecommunications minister, Leonid Reiman, was revealed as the owner of a stake in Megafon, a company his ministry oversaw. Soon after, Usmanov bought Reimans stake.
In December, Usmanovs holding company sold its investment in Mail.Ru, which had been renamed VK, to Sogaz, an insurance company that is partly owned by Putin ally Yuri Kovalchuk, whose net worth is $3.6 billion. Usmanov also works closely with Andrei Skoch, another Russian oligarch (net worth: $7.7 billion) whom the U.S. sanctioned in 2018.
Usmanovs ties with Putin go beyond business. Hes married to Irina Viner, a legendary rhythmic gymnastics coach who helped Alina Kabaeva, widely believed to be Putins mistress, win the gold medal at the 2004 Olympics.
Given that the Biden administration is targeting oligarchs that have assets in the West, Usmanov fits the bill with vast real estate holdings peppered throughout Europe. He owns two sprawling estates in London–the Beechwood House and Sutton Place–that together are worth nearly $300 million. He also has properties in Munich, Monaco and Sardinia, among other locations.
117 Posted 23/02/2022 at 17:08:52
118 Posted 23/02/2022 at 20:33:58
I have just came across on Twitter that Paul the Esk has concerns that the finance for the new stadium is still not in place, though assurances have been given that it would be... It is likely that Moshiri would use Russian financial sources.
Your informative post makes worrying reading. If Biden acts, he will be looking for Britain to follow and support.
Usmanov is very exposed and, though not directly connected to Everton bar sponsorship, his impact on Moshiri raising finance could be telling if he is targeted for sanctions.
Acknowledgements to your discovery on reading Forbes.
119 Posted 24/02/2022 at 09:39:34
120 Posted 24/02/2022 at 11:24:13
121 Posted 24/02/2022 at 13:28:00
122 Posted 24/02/2022 at 13:42:28
123 Posted 24/02/2022 at 14:16:35
124 Posted 24/02/2022 at 14:47:51
Fifa, Uefa, national associations and clubs have all ignored the true source of any money they gratefully accepted and encouraged in the last couple of decades, indeed possibly for the entire period that these bodies have been in existence.
It's very easy to say "don't deal with such entities" but it will never happen in the long-term. Known associates of Putin may well be targeted in the here and now, and Everton FC and other major clubs may suffer as a consequence, but there are plenty of other sources of dirty money swirling around the globe that won't be touched by governments.
I wish that all of the riches in the world had been gained by honest means and that it was in the hands of decent, honest, upstanding people, but the world has never worked in that way and I shouldn't expect that it will work like that in the future.
125 Posted 24/02/2022 at 15:27:29
Although it hasn't happened yet, there seems to be a move by western governments and the USA to impose sanctions on Russia as retaliation for this invasion. There also seems to be a move to sanction anyone who has close links to Putin.
Abramovich and Usmanov are clearly in that bracket, although Abramovich is now an Israeli citizen and will have his money where no western government can get to it – and I would imagine the same with Usmanov.
As I said in an earlier post, these guys have been here for years and living with impunity, and back then, everybody and his wife knew they had links to Putin, but obviously because this Conservative government have taken handouts from other Putin allies, they chose to look the other way.
I don't see the western governments taking a stand against Qatar holding the World Cup – a country with some of the world's worst human rights abuses. Also seems that many on the committee which selected Qatar were given lavish gifts for their votes.
Despite the atrocities committed by China, the West were quite happy to send representatives to the recent Winter Olympics. Even our own Premier League never had any qualms about letting Abramovich buy Chelsea from Bates, or have any qualms about the murdering Saudis buying Newcastle.
The ones I really feel sorry for are the Russian people who don't want this war but have no say in the proceedings, yet any sanctions will hit the ordinary Russian people very hard but will not hurt Putin or his Oligarchs.
They can't remove Putin – any voice, and there have been many speaking against Putin and his regime, have been quickly silenced.
126 Posted 24/02/2022 at 15:33:15
Anyone with a computer or access to Google could have found out this information as soon as Usmanov started sponsorship of Everton with his USM connections,
If the Government is going to take their stance on Russian oligarchs, then they should take it the next step against other unsavory regimes, and not only moving the Champions League Final from Russia – they should ban teams from Russia in other European competitions.
Putin will not change, it is the support he gets that has to change.
127 Posted 23/02/2022 at 15:39:41
128 Posted 24/02/2022 at 15:53:56
Meanwhile, it does look like the naming rights for the new stadium at Bramley-Moore Dock might be up for grabs if Usmanov is persona non grata around these parts. How about we put in a low-ball bid for the ToffeeWeb Arena?
129 Posted 24/02/2022 at 15:56:39
130 Posted 24/02/2022 at 16:16:17
Get a grip, lad, it won't make any difference what we do? Take his money because, when it's all over, nothing will have changed in this country.
131 Posted 24/02/2022 at 16:25:39
Agree Bill #125 also, but has any direct legal connection has been established between Usmanov and Everton? Do any of the checks for the new stadium at Bramley-Moore Dock have his fingerprints on them? I'd be interested to know how the club's finances are really endangered.
Michael #126, yes, symbolically appropriate, or Gbamin himself could pull the plug on it.
132 Posted 24/02/2022 at 17:14:42
Lots of talk about Gbamin's move to Moscow, 500 miles from the Ukraine and under no threat whatsoever.
Spare a thought for young Mykolenko. In a strange country, still finding his feet and no doubt worried sick about his nation and his family. I trust the club are supporting him.
133 Posted 24/02/2022 at 17:22:54
134 Posted 24/02/2022 at 17:23:01
I am not sure how it was financed but isn't Usmanov sponsorship with Finch Farm?
But, as people are saying, no matter how they made their money, it is most probably in offshore markets, the same as Moshiri – who you can question as he was Usmanov's accountant, who paid him.
135 Posted 24/02/2022 at 17:24:05
Some pretty tough athletes will be in on the fight. The mayor of Kyiv is Vitaly Klitschko, and his brother Wladimir enlisted. They posted a video together this morning.
Bill #133, Usmanov's previous criminality is well-established, and it seems certain that Moshiri was paid with some less-than-clean money in the years he worked for Usmanov, but that in itself does not implicate Moshiri. And I'm not aware of any allegations of criminal conduct by Moshiri himself, or his own Russian venture USM.
136 Posted 24/02/2022 at 17:55:43
All Russian teams should be banned immediately from all sports across the globe. All international sporting fixtures this weekend should play the Ukrainian National Anthem as a show of support.
If indeed it is Russian money behind our stadium, as expected, I don't care if we never see a ball kicked in it if this is the type of people we have gotten into bed with.
137 Posted 24/02/2022 at 18:03:32
138 Posted 24/02/2022 at 18:20:17
The most prominent Ukrainian player in the league, Alex Len, plays for the Sacramento Kings, and they have a home game tonight. Sacramento also has a large Ukrainian community. Would not be surprised to see some blue and yellow flags flying tonight in their arena.
Our fans could do the same for Mykolenko at Goodison.
139 Posted 24/02/2022 at 18:21:05
Smaller scale, but in some ways closer to home, even though it was a conflict fought thousands of miles away for different reasons. I remember at the time of the Falklands and the furore around Ardiles and Ricky Villa playing for Tottenham at the time.
For those who make the banners, a Ukranian flag for Mykolenko on Saturday, playing or not.
The more I think about it, the more I think this loan for Gbamin should be cancelled. If he's fit, we can use him still.
141 Posted 24/02/2022 at 18:41:10
There is no need to get excited, Moshirii's the one who is getting the finances in order from various institutions who are registered in offshore accounts. The one thing that Usmanov is supposed to be involved in was naming rights. I think the last time I read about it, it was supposed to be £30million. It may be debatable if that is correct or if any money was paid.
As I said previously, I am amazed about people going on about Usmanov and Abromovich as their friendship with Putin is well known. Who cares where the money comes from? Premier League clubs don't if it means they can buy the best players coaches and managers.
War is despicable and countries are correct in putting sanctions on the Russian government. Uefa are correct in moving the game, but I wonder why the Olympics was allowed to take place in one of the most oppressive countries in the world – China? Enough of politics – I have already had some of my quotes removed.
142 Posted 24/02/2022 at 20:44:14
I sense Everton will have to lead by example with their sponsorship deals being nulled or cancelled?
As for the new stadium at Bramley-Moore Dock, no -one bar Moshiri and perhaps Kenwright know the finance plan for the new stadium.
But more important things than football at the moment; let's hope Everton as a club can galvanise in the face of adversity and face Man City and beat them.
143 Posted 24/02/2022 at 20:47:16
"If my memory is right, Everton were at the forefront against the takeover of Newcastle Utd FC. The Club and its fans now need to look in the mirror and ask the same questions given its ownership and investment from the oligarchs & kleptocrats over the last few years.
My pet topic, I know, and have been saying this for years now. The People's Club should not in any way be associated with a murderous regime."
144 Posted 24/02/2022 at 21:01:05
Agree that we should at least consider suspending the current deals until the conflict situation is brought under control.
145 Posted 24/02/2022 at 21:12:22
146 Posted 24/02/2022 at 21:38:02
Or indeed why we just had the Olympics in China where 2 million are in concentration camps?
Or why we bombed Serbia in the 90s but never did a thing about Rwanda or Congo?
My point being, that yes, terrible things are occurring, but it says a lot about our societies when we only seem to take action or pay attention when it affects people who look like us.
147 Posted 24/02/2022 at 21:48:56
148 Posted 24/02/2022 at 22:02:17
Usmanov has undoubtedly been a Russian state money conduit and has stayed close to the political elite. Given the Russian declaration of war, it would seem he is fair game and Chris Bryant, a Labour MP, is now waving about a Home Office paper that purportedly documents Abramovich engaged in political influence.
While that may be the line where Usmanov is on the other side, there is little doubt they are similar characters. Basically, if Roman gets a look, then Alisher can't exactly hide out without some scrutiny.
Everton did get out in front of the 'ooh that's bad money' brigade and thus need to look in the mirror. If you can come up with some reasonable rhetoric as to why this is different ethically, then let's hear it. Everton prides itself on being straight up when it counts and this is one of the tests of whether that endures in these times.
As to why this requires action where others have not, I can only offer that this was a declared war which has removed some complexity for some to hide behind while obviously bringing it into undistracted focus for everyone.
There is obviously some discrimination in our application of moral causes and I don't wish to discount that.
149 Posted 24/02/2022 at 22:10:58
150 Posted 24/02/2022 at 22:19:09
151 Posted 24/02/2022 at 23:08:01
I do not know what Mr Usmanovs precise involvement with Everton is, if any… however, although Evertons plight at the moment on all fronts is precarious, nevertheless I think that – should there be any such involvement – then it is incumbent on the club to sever all ties with the man, however limited or substantial those ties may be.
No matter what I, and perhaps others may think about Everton needing all the help it can get to get out of its current mess, there are some things more important even than the possibility of relegation from the Premier League.
As a supporter of the club for well nigh 70 years, I would hope that somewhere within the club there is at least the vestige of some moral and ethical stance that enables them to be clear as to who it is willing to “sup” with in order to solve its problems.
152 Posted 25/02/2022 at 14:00:14
In any case, it was always more than capable of generating enough excitement without the (recently) added intro.
153 Posted 25/02/2022 at 15:45:20
154 Posted 26/02/2022 at 12:10:41
155 Posted 01/03/2022 at 08:53:46
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