Wayne Rooney believes David Moyes is improving Everton

But he needs to stop this square peg obsession and give other players some minutes.

Recent dogfights, it's nice to be where we are. We could be higher if not for poor finishing and brain farts. But that's on the players.

Rooney's remarks seem to bear that out.

We just don't score.

Firstly, Moyes and Rooney were involved in an acrimonious libel suit.

Secondly; Rooney proved to be per pound earned one of the worst managers ever.

Consequently: Who cares what he says?

I might have thought that Moyes winning that cases makes Wazza's words worth more in this commentary?

We are just impatient as Everton fans and always want more! 😎

I know I am a supporter of Moyes, but like all managers he has made mistakes, not buying a right back in the summer is a big fault. Picking Tarkowski every week another mistake for me, and our lack of goals from our front 6 is a worry.

Yes Man Utd had an older team but they had just won the Premier League! He took them to 7th (ironically, that's pretty much where he takes every team).

He left us, then tried to raid us! He's won 1 trophy in his career, despite being given more chances than virtually any other manager.

He's good at what he does and I said previously he's an unambitious owner's dream because he'll get you safe, which is where we are now.

Has Moyes improved Everton -- yes, our league position makes that obvious. The question as always is: Can he take the next step? -- which he has never done in his career to date.

Van Gaal was told the job was his after the World Cup, before Moyes signed.

Hmm, right-o. Probably one of the top 3 jobs in world football, but no manager in the world wanted it other than Moyes.

I suspect the £10M+-a-year salary alone would tempt most.

Do you believe Moyes was the victor in a long line of top managers applying for the job?

Moyes was not up to the job and quickly proved it, I recall,on a United website he was called “ Bobbins’ I had to look it up to see what it meant — Dogshite was the result.

I was relieved when he left and will feel,the same next time he goes which can’t come quick enough for me.

In the 4 previous seasons before he got there, their Goals For totals = 86, 78, 89, & 89.

64 goals for them in his solitary season.

Pretty much every manager in world football outside of Barca, Madrid, & Liverpool would have wanted it.

The fact that Man Utd went with Moyes was on them. They had the financial muscle to take anyone they wanted.

It was the biggest thing to happen to that club in 25 years, and they let the CEO and Manager leave at the same time. Ferguson rated him, and looked at him as an assistant previously, if my memory is right.

The board approved the appointment versus the other alternatives. I am sure it was thought through.

Moyes was a stop gap. Van Gaal was approached and knew the job was his after his 2014 World Cup duty was done.

He knew the job was his in February, as was revealed.
100% phony imo.

I remember a united fan was singing a song with the words Man United, will never die, in a hotel bar outside just Wembley stadium, when Bayern Munich were playing Dortmund, in the champions league final.

I said you might be right, I don’t think United, will ever die, but there’s only one way you’re going with David Moyes lad, and it won’t be to games like the one being played across the road tonight.

He acted appallingly imo because he thought he had hit the big time, and like I’ve said hundreds of times, he forgot that he was joining a club were he had to win to survive.

I smile at my son who likes Moyes, but can still remember the joy on his face when Oviedo scored at Old Trafford, when he was singing that stuck with Moyes song, to the Mancs.

Like Tony @ (21) coming out of Wembley after we had won the semi finals v United on penalties against a depleted United team two United fans said to me “ Sorry we’ll be taking your manager off you” You can fuckin’ have him mate, the quicker the better” I replied with a smile, not sure if they thought I meant it, but it didn’t take long for them to find out.

He was mad to take it straight after ferguson.

It's very similar to now where loads of fans like what he's doing loads don't, but ask someone who's impartial and they would see the job Moyes has done up to now and think people would be mad to want him out !

I'm of the feeling that Moyes will be able to build us up again, challenging for Europe every year, have a healthy squad oc players other teams will want and we will come to a cross roads where we need a winning manager to take the step of challenging the top 4-6 teams.

That's his MO, his task, a pochetino, mouriniho, alonso, or any big manager would struggle to do what Moyes has done, likewise Moyes struggled to do the big job at utd.

He's the man for the hear & now in my opinion

Guardiola was approached but wasn't quite ready to come back to management. Van Gaal was also approached but he wanted to go to the World Cup with Holland.

There may have been others but eventually it came down to Mourinho or Moyes. The former was too much of a media personality for the United hierarchy... so Dreary Dave got the gig.

Dave #81

Back then, Moyes generally was pretty highly rated. Not sure what the feeling on the ground was but certainly on ToffeeWeb only a minority, albeit vocal, wanted Moyes gone.

Well, in Liverpool, Rednoses would tell me that Moyes was a great manager and I'd ask them if they would like him to manage Liverpool — "No fuckin' way!" was the usual reply.

Yes, plenty of fans liked Moyes, quite a lot were non-match-going fans, plenty of young supporters aged up to about 35 think he was okay because we didn't struggle during his time here, a lot of them had Duncan Ferguson as their idol because there wasn't much to pick from.

As I've said previously, plenty of fans like him but understand his limitations; plenty of us dislike him, as a manager, because of his limitations.

Was Moyes rated pretty highly by Everton fans? I think a lot were happy with him but that doesn't mean they thought he was a very good manager, although a large majority gave him a standing ovation in his last game in charge — I'll never understand that as long as I live. I was on my toes and out of the ground as soon as the final whistle went.

Those who like him as Everton's manager can have him — he's definitely not my cup of tea.

Hope all is good with you and June.

The standing ovation swings it for me.

Given a choice, I'd have definitely preferred it the other way around though and would have sooner David stayed rather than William, for obvious reasons.

Kenwright lasted years, but I'm not sure David would have lasted anywhere near as long without Bill.

Doesn't mean it was a bad marriage... there are some good ones

Think Moyes would have lasted under any chair tbh.

Kenwright and Moyes, did a great job getting Everton punching above their weight. Incredible, absolutely incredible 🙈

From Ferguson to Moyes, it’s like going from watching Once Upon A Time In America, to Coronation Street.

Its still a wide held belief amongst Blues mate.

Anything other than a relegation fight is hunky dory.

Brainwashed by one of the actors in one of the shows you mentioned mate.

Imagine the joy if they could watch a side like the 85 team.

How many managers other than Moyes deserved to survive more than 4 years?

Of 40 managers we've had (including 10 caretakers and Kendall X3)

Dick Molyneux - 10 seasons

Will Cuff - 5 seasons & 9 seasons

Thomas Macintosh - 8 seasons

Theo Kelly - 9 seasons

Cliff Britton - 8 seasons

Billy Bingham - 4 seasons

Gordon Lee - 4 seasons

Walter Smith - 4 seasons

8 managers came and went on the Moshiro merry-go-round between the Moyes years.

It wasn't until Kendall's first 6 seasons that we actually 'consistently' won something in 3 of those seasons and is more than likely the "what Evertonians used to demand" era of your generation.

Yeah, I don't like this. hunky dory shite, give me relegation fights any day of the week

His systems are anathema in terms of enterprise or trophy-winning, whilst managers of other "lesser" clubs (and for many decades now we've been a lesser club to the world beyond Goodison) have shown that it doesn't have to be so.

With him we are boring and predictable, and way off, again, re Nil Satis Nisi Optimum.

We have really only had 3 managers that have had a successful spell: 1927 to 1933, 1962 to 1970 and 1984 to 1987, the rest have been one-offs... so when did we become one of those elite band of entitled supporters that "demand" success like our neighbours and Spurs?

And yes, I fully agree with your resume of our success throughout my 70 years. It's paltry in comparison to various other well-led clubs despite none of them having our elite history (no club having our record of top-flight longevity, no club having gained more points since top-flight football was invented).

We are still a sleeping beast courtesy of Kenwright and the many who endorsed the sod, and nobody endorsed him more to his own pecuniary advantage than Moyes.

So until we get an owner and manager with the know-how to bust what's now our "norm" and pay to restore us as winners, the mediocrity, at best, will continue to flourish.

He brought in Steve Round, Jimmy Lumsden and Chris Woods... to coach at Manchester United! Apparently, Round's nickname among the players was "Fuck Off" as that was what they thought whenever he spoke.

David Moyes is not the sharpest tool in the box, let's be honest.

I'm not sure what your first sentence is about?

But I did answer your question, didn't I?

I thought at the time that wouldn't go down well but someone in Man Utd's hierarchy must have sanctioned it as part of the deal, so they knew what was coming.

"No club having gained more points than since top-flight football was invented."

Sorry mate but that's not us, we're fourth despite having played most games.

I didn't realise that Moyes was different but then I forgot about that change of narrative. Suddenly I realise that all those people who used to say “Be careful what you wish for” were actually right,

To get Everton constantly punching above their weight whilst winning the sum total of zero was an amazing feat and I should always be thankful.

Did some of those managers get extra longevity because they managed during the war, Eric?

The only time that Everton went a decade without winning anything was after the Second World War. Since then, we have had a very, very, very fucking mediocrechairman who only had to be a third rate actor to kid thousands of Evertonians, and the trophy room has been closed ever since.

Remember Liverpool, going down to ten men and still running the midfield in one game at Anfield, which didn’t really surprise me because we had Joseph Yobo, playing in midfield.

It’s not his fault that David Moyes has never had a big squad, but I’d love to see him try and manage a big squad though just to see how many fights he would have with the players he constantly isolates.

Just my opinion Eric, but If Moyes, really understood Evertonians, then he would always go for the cups, but why should he when he was clapped out of Goodison on the way to Old Trafford?

I wasn’t inside the stadium because I was disgusted with another cup capitulation against Wigan, and vowed never to back inside that stadium again, but I didn’t need to ask my dad anything though because I’ve always been of the opinion that a club like Everton, should always be trying to challenge for honours.

How sad, what a fucking lunatic I must be….. especially when you see us now playing in a fantastic new stadium playing football the negative way. Come on Tony, see sense, it’s much better than worrying about relegation because the only thing we have got left to cling to is our longevity in the top flight.

Seriously I hope David Moyes, can change the narrative back to one befitting of the old Everton, but my own opinion is that I don’t believe he’s got the talent or the gumption.

“He was mad to take it straight after ferguson.” He was never going to be offered it in any other circumstances. You have to admire his chutzpah in backing himself and going for it but that could just have been recognition that a job offer with quite that much prestige wasn’t going to come around again.

Eric you live in an outback don’t you so how many Evertonians do you meet,

Brendan (29) “ Doesn’t mean it was a bad marriage— I think it was one of those “ bought marriages “ were one partner was only there for the money and got used to it.

Another thing that really annoys me is that we are no longer the team with the most FA Cup semi-final appearances.

I know getting to the semifinals isn't the same as winning the trophy but teams who consistently get into the latter stages of any cup competition are at least showing intent.

Look at the teams we have gone out of the cup to since we were last successful in 1995.

Much as I hate to say it, the Kopites have a far greater capacity to be ambitious. While we were beating a very ordinary Liverpool into 5th place, they were making 100-foot banners demanding their team "Make Us Dream".

They dreamed a dream and despite their team being absolutely shite, they ended up parading the Champions League trophy through the city.

The easily pleased, cant win / don't try attitude which runs through a large percentage of our fan base is like an albatross around our necks.

I heard it often enough. He’s a good manager that Moyes. Would you have him at Liverpool? A wry smile and I don’t fuckin know about that, was usually the answer, from the condescending c**ts.

If I felt like my red mates were being condescending, imagine what it makes me feel like reading things like “other than Moyes” Brendan🙈

It might only be ten o’clock in the morning but I’m thinking of getting off ToffeeWeb and going to Runcorn, to get a glimpse of the Manchester ship canal, thinking I wonder how fuckin long it would have taken to build, if David Moyes, would have been in charge of that job.

No Tony, the war years for Cuff and Macintosh are not included.

Had you asked T/W in the last 18 months to 2 years who they would have as manager the selection would be many and varied, many might have gone for Postecoglu or Franks yet both have failed miserably. Quite ironically I see Everton and Spurs of very similar clubs. A great history but although both are well supported both seem incapable of challenging for the league of late. Both have recently built new grounds so the ambition is there but it just doesnt seem to produce the sort of teams both sets of supporters crave for. Yes I know Spurs won the the Europa league, but apart from the top sides from many countries they don't have the depth of the premier league and thats why 2 English clubs fought out the final.

It looks like Cuff would have been a wartime secretary or manager during that First World War.

Football evolves far more quickly because of increased exposure and data analysis and managers who can't evolve quickly enough get replaced and drop down the heirarchy.

There are exceptions, and we are saddled with one.

I'd hardly call Pattaya an outback Dave, although it can resemble a wild west whore house in parts. There's half a dozen of us that try to get together for games when timings permit and bars are open. There's lots of fans from other parts of the country, and world as well with it being a tourist destination.

I'm only there a couple of months a year these days though and while Ha Noi is also not an outback I don't know any Evertonians there but still meet other teams fans, again when timings permit.

Do we accept all that as part of the reason why we will never win a trophy again?

Treat top half finishes as good as winning a cup?

Or do we get a manager who will try to break through this imaginary glass ceiling?

I am just as desperate as you to win a trophy, my 2 Sons go the game as well as my 2 Grandsons, and I want them to experience the pleasure of winning the league or for starters winning a Cup. Just because I don't post attacking Moyes don't for 1 minute I am less passionate about winning trophies as you are. You say we need to get a manager who will try to break through the glass ceiling, please tell me where he is, I have suggested Iraola but as I also said there will be other clubs after him when he leaves Bournemouth. I love the way his side plays but he is limited by the budget he has. The top 6 have pulled the drawbridge up to stop another oil rich country taking over a Premier league club and do what City did. The PSR has stopped Newcastle with untold wealth being able to spend what they want, so it is stopping them being able to challenge the Sky 6.

I am a realist, now we can all get misty eyed and believe if we got the right manager we would be back winning things, but money largely dictates who wins trophies on a regular basis, yes the leicesters happen every Preston Guild. John Moores wealth made it possible for Everton to challenge for trophies, sadly when John died so did our expectation of regularly winning trophies.

Thats it then mate,a lifetimes expenditure and effort to go the game is a complete waste of time.We cant ever win a trophy again.

Newcastle ?

Palace?

That could be the straw that broke the camels back.

I just hope it was a bit of mischief, I don't mind Glasner but the thought of Moyes feathering his nest doesn't exactly wet the appetite.

Those days it is possible that the board of directors were as bad as the rest of the countries boardrooms—— The team and squad that were relegated under Cliff Britton were basically the same squad that got us promoted three years later not one player was bought during those three years, possibly Jock Lindsay, a left back was the last player bought in those three years and he broke his leg his during our promotion season, so I think Cliff Britton just had to grin and bear it until he finally had enough and packed in not long after we lost to Man City in the FA cup at Maine Road, every player except one signed a petition begging him to stay, it was suggested, at the time Wally ( Nobby) Fielding was that player, a narky little bastard, who told me to get off the fuckin’ ( his words ) coach after we lost 3-0 to Leeds in that promotion season while Mr. Britton offered me and my mates a £1 note to get something to eat.

I couldn’t see every player signing a petition for Moyes these days or Moyes offering any fan a tenner( cost of living difference ) these days.

Sorry for rambling on but my nurse is getting a cob on here waiting to give me my needle which will keep me quiet for a few hours so I’ll have to go.

I posted several times that, if you don't like Moyes as a manager, then you certainly wouldn't want him molding the Club in his image as DoF.

But that appears to have gone by the wayside as we have t'committeee (for those that remember WTAS Social Club) for recruitment and I wouldn't see Moyes being a party to that.

More likely he'll get another relegation rescue job if he needs the money, Spurs maybe?

I never listened to my old man 'cos he was from the other side.

Another is how him and his mate got the midnight train to Charlton, aged 8 and 10 respectively, and were playing football outside The Valley early on a Saturday morning.

I feel sorry for the kids now, they can't move, but I suppose that's what happens when humanity is full of progress.

Before the M62, me and my mate, as young kids, would get ourselves to Haydock Island on Friday nights before London games. Hitch a lift, then get a few hours kip on the floor in Euston before the game. Bunk the train back.

Great days.

Nothing about Evertonians, just young Liverpool fans, but I don't know what happened to all those hitchhikers on that infamous night when the famous 14 (it still gets them every single time) ventured to West Ham!

The trains had a conductor so you pretend to be asleep and he won't bother you. Get out at Hartlepool station and head to the toilet to wait for the ticket collector to bugger off. Pick up some tickets from the bin he discarded them in then go the game with a few pints before and after.

Jump on the train back to Newcastle, usually the last one, pretend to be asleep again, which wasn't always a pretence, and hand in one of the tickets picked up at Hartlepool station.

This digital age will never know the half of it.

We went down to London on the overnight train which took over 6 bleedin' hours, I was 15 and my mate was 17 and we were out The Valley ground about 10:00 am. We had a game of footie with a couple of lads, and a few words with Jimmy Seed the Charlton manager. One of the young cockneys invited us to his sisters house where she cooked a good breakfast, imagine that nowadays — not a chance.

We then went to Sam Bertram's sports shop where I struck a bet with Sam, who was Charlton's goalkeeper that day, of a dollar (5 shillings) that Everton would beat them which we did. At the end of the game, I was on the field and on the heels of Sam, asked him for my dollar — got told to fuck off by Sam — never got the money.

Finished up in a Picture House (cinema) that night watching “The Dambusters“ then got the last train out of London at around midnight.

Trying to think of the other footballer who gave me my hat trick of Fuck Offs — I think it was Len Shackleton at a Manchester train station the day Everton's game with Oldham was postponed in the January of the year we won promotion in that delayed game in April.

Anybody could have called me anything at the end of that 4-0 victory that night in Oldham because nothing could spoil the enjoyment after setting out around 3:30 pm that day. It was about 2:00 am the next morning when I got home, with us promoted and Liverpool relegated. Now they were real happy days.

I think I know the answer but did you know David Gould, Brian's brother?

No, I never knew David but heard a few stories about him off Brian, a real character, I believe.

If he was anything like Brian, a real genuine fella.

David hitched to Milan when we played them, on his own. He was 17, took him 4 days to get there.

A great story came out of it. The Echo did an article on it.
David went into his local the next night and got barred. The landlady had read the Echo -- putting him down as 17.

David hitched to Milan when we played them, on his own. He was 17, took him 4 days to get there.

A great story came out of it. The Echo did an article on it.
David went into his local the next night and got barred. The landlady had read the Echo putting him down as 17.

Maybe our recruiting team needs a quality "closer" who can make our transfer targets feel more wanted here than other clubs bidding for them. Grealish talked about that specifically. Getting our targets over the line to actually signing might not be a bad role for Moyes at all.

Dave #67, hope whatever you're dealing with isn't too rough... and I hope the nurse is a stunner!

Life used to be so very simple!

Everything revolved around the game, especially the aways.
Not so much for me nowadays, if I'm being honest, mate.

Well who is repeating anything? You must be seeing things... that's another sign of people losing the plot.

Seen an auld mate of yours tonight at Maureen's wake — Paul Burke, a goalie he said who was a nuisance to you, maybe he played for The Brit. I don't know what he meant.