Everton switch warm weather plans to the Algarve

Do you really need to make that comment

Pure prejudicial bias without balance.

Maybe you would be happier if we got Frank as you previously stated in the past we might be playing attacking football like Spurs

Does Moyes put more work into defensive tactics or attacking tactics?

Judging by what we watch,its the former.

Fair comment from Annika I thought

A lot of goals are coming from corners, free-kicks and long throws, so it makes sense.

Especially for a team like us that struggles to create chances from open play.

They did hire a set piece coach in Charly Adam, that didnt work out to well. I have to laugh when I hear cries for a specialist coach for this that or the other. Nowadays these players cant seem to think for themselves, they train everyday and no doubt work of offensive and defensive set pieces, but none of them seem to have the ability to change from the tried and failed dead ball tactics. I know its going back a long way but Danny Blanchflower who captained Spurs to their league and FA Cup double, also played for Ireland. They played Italy away who had a forward who could hit free kicks from 30 yards and score. So Blanchflower on their last training session got his team together and explained that he wanted them to have a wall of 4 or 5 players to stop the Italian shooting directly at the goal. Th eplan worked perfectly and that tactic is still being used today, but it came from a player not a manager or a set piece coach.

I agree on the modern day coaches taking individuality out of the game in general,its as if the players cant think for themselves.

From corners against us I would like to see 3 of our players on the half way line.That would see 3, if not 4,of the opposing players in same area to defend the break.

6 or 7 Players out of a crowded box makes defending easier imo.

Back to the days of " he is your man,if he scores its your fault"

Charlie Adams wasn’t a set piece coach. He’d never done the job in his life.

A lot of premier league clubs have hired specialist set piece coaches - Arsenal, Villa, Brentford, Brighton, Chelsea, Manchester United, Manchester City, Newcastle United, Bournemouth, Palace, Spurs, now Liverpool.

And the Top 10 teams for set piece goal this season?

1. Arsenal

2. Newcastle

3. Chelsea

4. Leeds

5. Bournemouth

6. Man Utd

7. Crystal Palace

8. Brentford

9. Spurs

10. Liverpool.

14. Everton.

Sorry but your views on this are out-dated.

You are probably right that my views are outdated, but sometimes learning from the past is no bad thing. To be honest the football in the 60s and 70s was more enjoyable than todays. Seems Guardiola has his team doing something and everybody copies. Like 2 defenders in the 6 yard box for goal kicks were they inter pass with the goalkeeper. I know in the last couple of games we have changed it a little but why does every club who kick off pass the ball back 30 yards to the keeper to hoof up field.

Commentator " David Moyes must have been watching the Rugby Union 6 Nations game on tv over the weekend"

As Brian @(17) Football was a lot more enjoyable in the 60’s and70’s than it is today with possession the key to football’s style now and it gets very boring for long stretches of lots of games with the current leaders of the table “ win at all,costs “ style while accepted by their fans I think when/if they win the title they will not win any popularity contests with most neutral fans and nomInwouldn’t be happy won the title with that class of football although we have played plenty ultra defensive tactics under different managers and won nothing but putting fans off with their anti football form of playing.

Imagine the lift it’ll give them mentally instead of playing in shite weather every week and some much needed vitamin D instead of permanent rain and grey skies.

More time together may help in the long run.

It’s about getting the players all together for longer. Especially the youngsters.

Hard games coming up.

Jimmy “roll my eyes, oh dear, blah, blah” Carr only comes on here to insult his fellow blues.

Never has any insights on football to contribute.

No need for that, man!

Cnuts and twats yes but gobshites??

Behave!

The thread was about Everton going to the Algarve for warm weather training and as Jimmy correctly states a post about warm weather training is about Moyes tactics and out come the usual suspect peddling the same old bitter bias. Yet nobody comment on the second part of the post as to whether they would prefer a progressive manager like Frank at Spurs.

However the post did focus on real football issues which are both defensive and attacking related which is our set-piece setup. Frank to give him credit exposed our defensive set-piece frailties on corners at BMD so here I do hope Annika is right and Moyes is “run(ing) and extra few defensive drills ready for the last few games”.

I also hope he is focusing on improving our set-piece drills in attack for our corners and we do not see a repeat of the farcical set up we had v Man Utd.

As far as the set pieces are concerned, if other teams are fouling and blocking the goalkeepers and getting away with it then we have to do it too.

Whats the point of having rules/laws if the refs/authorites don't uphold them. It's like all-in wrestling in the penalty area; penalise them, they will soon stop it.

Another pet hate of mine is pushing players over, all this ' he's not pushed him hard enough' bullshit, any deliberate push to knock a player over is a foul. The refereeing and VAR standards are pathetic in general.

"Nowadays these players can't seem to think for themselves."

Sean Dyche agrees with you, he was slagging Omari Hutchinson for this:

Sean Dyche's subtle dig at Omari Hutchinson justifies Nottingham Forest decision

Fingers crossed as we will struggle without his pace at the back in these up coming games against some good attacking pace.

Without a doubt, we are a different team when he's in the side, and we are desperately going to need him for the last 9 games.

As for the warm weather training in the Algarve, I wouldn't say Portugal was that warm at this time of year.

I was told that he would be out for two months and the news that he wouldn't be travelling to Portugal was given 30 minutes after they found out he had this injury.

I hope this is false news but the lad who gave my grandson the news doesn't give out news like that just for the sake of it.

It is a bit of a concern that he hasn't travelled though, and let's hope he isn't out, otherwise as far as I'm concerned that's the fight for Europe over.

Yes, I hope Jarrad is okay and the injury, I think there is one, is not too serious for the sake of Jarrad himself, Everton, and us the fans because I'm sure all of the fans recognise he is a special player who adds class and composure plus a bit of pace to our game.

Maybe it is a Chinese whisper which has grown as passed along but let's see the outcome very quickly and he plays on Saturday.

Top class player, but this will dent his World Cup hopes. Intense games over a short period of time is not going to be helpful to him, and I want to see him in an England shirt.

Here we are top half of the table, a chance to get into Europe, and I don't mean the Algarve. The first time since Father Time was a lad that were not circling the relegation plug hole, seven away wins and, despite the new stadium curse, we are looking healthy.

I think some of you don't deserve such a good manager, I suggest you read the articles of players who have worked under him and how they have praised him.

Some of you would want a younger "trendy thinking manager" really? But the teams who hired these in the Premier League have come unstuck. You’re having a laugh but you tell a lousy joke!

You see you need a certain quality that Moyes has and you haven't, it’s called "Wisdom and Experience", with it comes survival and progress.

Do I disagree sometimes with his tactics? Of course nothing’s ever perfect but I trust his judgement and also the table does not lie.

I think we are in for an exciting summer window and next we really will be challenging for European places. That said some of you will still be professional whiners on her, and I admit it’s a great source of entertainment to read, what a happy breed you are!

Of course, how dumb of any doubters. Anything positive is absolutely 100% down to the Moyesiah, clearly the only manager in football who could have saved us, Whilst anything, er, not so positive can be blamed on a ‘curse'.

Neil, I wouldn't write off Frank just because he couldn't get the Spurs rabble into shape.

Very few managers have a consistently good track record. Like any other career, what ultimately matters is what they learn from their mistakes.

Likewise, a fair guarantee of resilience may be comforting when you've experienced a fair amount of upset but it isn't an assured indication that a manager can get you to the upper echelons.

I’ve seen the survival but not the progress…

I still remember his trophyless first stint as manager. I am amazed that some of you are happy to go back to that.

It's also a great source of entertainment reading all the happy clappers’ Moyesiah posts.

But, if you are happy with no trophies season after season, content with regular, early cup exits ,good for you.

Long term mediocrity is not what I am hoping for personally. But it's what I expect under your hero.

Oh yeah, Steve, I've seen your posts saying I never comment about football. I just didn't realise I was in the rarified company of so many knowledgeable experts here when I regularly read posts like 'Just fuck off Moyes' after any slightly disappointing result. So thanks for your advice, but nah, you can keep it.

Although we do seem to have strayed just a little bit off-topic!

What type needles do you use personally, that kind of thing

Re “warm climate training” I don't really understand the need for that? Surely we have all the facilities we need at Finch Farm?

And more? Better than temporary camp in Portugal? Why Portugal by the way? It's not even proper Spain!
Seriously though, our next game is in North London, not Mexico City.
Perhaps it's a team bonding exercise?

And I've never read a post from you that makes any real points on the performance of the team, or football in general. Including that one.

Imagine calling your fellow blues “gobshites”. Lower than a snake's belly in my opinion.

You strike me as a typical ToffeeWeb moaner, and if you have read my posts you'll know I do comment on the game, but whatever, I am equally disinterested in your point of view.

Imagine coming onto a website and constantly calling out the manager of the team you profess to support, and then getting all high and mighty when you get called out on it.

As I've said before, people who pay good money to go the game have every right to complain about the football that's served up by David Moyes and the team.

However ToffeeWeb is also home to a bunch of moaners who watch the game at home or in the pub and then can't wait to jump on here and have a whinge about it if we haven't won 7-0 and played like Barcelona.

Are they the 'fellow blues' you're referring to? Yeah, lower than a snake's belly.

“Professing to support” that just shows your typical arrogance and ignorance in equal measure. You do not get to tell me or any other supporter what it takes to follow Everton, how we behave or what we can say or can't say.

Everton supporters on TW support the club, not any particular manager. Also, I am a season ticket holder (are you?), so I put my money where my mouth is. Regardless of whether other posters do the same, or are able to do the same, I respect their right to give an opinion.

You strike me as someone who tries to insult and belittle your fellow supporters -- gobshites, serial moaners, blah, blah -- rather than engage in a proper football discussion to defend your points.

Here is a shocking development for you - myself and many other posters do not agree with you about the abilities of the current manager. So scrape your jaw off the floor, get over it and stop insulting your fellow supporters.

Eight clean sheets in their remaining eleven games. Moysey would have had to be working overtime if he's going to get us accomplishing similar results!

It doesn't make sense why the club would make a statement that they were just monitoring his progress, as a precaution, after his operation... but if he really has another relapse, it totally stinks???

Been there, done that... under?

Do not classify me without knowing me. Moyes is no hero of mine. He is functional at the moment but no more.

Does he have potential to move us to a higher level with good signings in the Summer? I don't know but neither do you despite your bias. Let's see how the season pans out before we cast our judgement.

And no, you don't need my permission to post but it would be refreshing to see an original post rather than the same old regurgitated comments even tho the thread was about warm-weather training.

It would also be nice to post without the same culprits leaping to Moyes’s defence all the time.

How is my opinion bias by the way? He had 11 years here previously and couldn't break the glass ceiling he created. I don't think he will be any different this time around.

That's not bias, it's an opinion.

I'm sorry, but anybody who posts regularly on this site knows you are a very staunch supporter of Moyes. You may as well start each of your posts with "I'm not a Moyes supporter... but! "

Your constant demands for "balance" (if such a thing exists in football discussions) will fall upon deaf ears, I'm afraid. That's because (whether you realise it or not) your own balance is all one way.

Whilst I think most of the criticism against Moyes is legitimate, I'd be happy to concede some of it can be pretty mindless. But that cuts both ways. Some of the stuff I see put up in support of him simply defies belief!

That's where your balance fall over; you never challenge any of those.

There is a growing number of people on here who regularly come on to berate people for what they see as negative posts. They confuse criticism of Moyes with negativity. Often the howls of protests against this perceived "negativity" far out-weigh the criticism itself -- one post can set you all off.

You see Annika's post as non-football related, but he talks about the manager of the team... so that is football related. When you do that, you make it impossible not to notice when you say nothing about the real whiners. Those who really don't want to talk about the game.

Personally. I see posts such as 21 and 31 as some sort of fuck-witted attempts to shout people down. They can't counter the argument so they want to silence it.

It won't work. Many Evertonians are football lovers too. They will never be silent about a manager who wants to represent our club as a professional game spoiler.

It just seems very odd the way the Echo has put out that story today:

James Tarkowski explains Everton's Jarrad Branthwaite hope ahead of fitness update

A story that of course says nothing -- because there is nothing to say -- because, for all their blather, the Echo jurnos seem to be kept very much at a distance from Finch Farm, or (probably more likely) have been warned that their access will be constrained if they play fast and loose with information deemed 'sensitive'.

So I guess we'll have to wait for the full reveal from the Moyesiah, our very own Supreme Leader!

Firstly let me be crystal clear and agree with one statement in your response, that I would never condone posts 21 & 31.

I would consider myself as first and foremost as an Everton supporter who accesses TW to be informed on the latest news on the team. However when I see the 4th post on a piece about the team going to the Algarve for warm weather training having a what I would consider a cheap dig based on a obvious long held bias adding nothing to the theme of the thread so called it out. Am I not entitled to do so.

Please do not label me as very staunch supporter of Moyes or of anyone else. He is our manager at the moment of the team I have supported for 60 years this summer, lets judge him at the end of the season. He is getting results, but there is a lot more work needed including basics at which I would have expected Moyes to be good at (see Post 26)

I do find the last comment interesting “ Many Evertonians are football lovers too. They will never be silent about a manager who wants to represent our club as a professional game spoiler”. I find it interesting because I have recently heard the same criticisms said about Arteta’s Arsenal and he has a far more skilful squad available to him.

There are plenty that have done it at little clubs, Martinez, Potter, Franks etc but I don't see many that have achieved that transformational turnaround at a bigger middle club.

Howe maybe, Emery isn't exactly free flowing, and Pochettino never won anything at Spurs.

So there you go, name a trophy winning manager, that has provided sustained success, playing attacking football in the Premier league, that has taken a middle club to the promised land, but without a soveign state or oil oligarch spending a fortune. You can have 25 years.

Ever