I know it's not going to be popular, but Moyes has proved he can sell to buy, so I see no reason why he shouldn't carry on.

Some players will be happy to stay at everton, and some will want to use it as a stepping stone to the rich, trophy chasing clubs.

As long as Moyes can cash in for top dollar, not be a baby about it, and can bring in younger/hungry players on the up, then everton will stay near the top.

This is not what nil satis is about, however that's where we are. We are not going to get a buyer until bill cuts the price, as this is clearly the sticking point on a club with limited upside to an investor.

And to think some people say we only hear from our chairman when we are doing well ;-0

People have given up; no point in doing anything, Kenwright is gonna do it his way as long as he is here. His price demand of £150 million is stopping us getting a new owner.

The recent scare stories from Blackburn owners are just beyond this world. A nightmare in truth, better safe then sorry, but this cycle of selling 1 top player each summer has to end, we are down to bones so Baines and Fellaini are the next to go.

How can we stop them from going? Get into CL.

Most clubs in the league sell to buy. Only the top ones with unlimited pockets get to play fantasy football and even then they often have to clear the wage bill. Even with investment unless its an oligarch or sheikh they're going to want to see a return. The RS are uncomfotably trying to adapt to words that they've never heard before such as 'value for money' 'wage trimming' 'budget'. The days of getting 15 million each window to spend on a top quality addition to the squad without having to sell anyone are over (not that they've ever existed for Everton for a long time).

Ian, there was a time when we were a "trophy chasing club". It would seem by implication, that you are part of a generation of supporters who now don't view the Club in that bracket (as per comments on many threads).

Who would you blame for that ? BK is culpable and the current success (as the OP seems to define it as playing some decent football) continues to paper over the cracks which will only widen whilst the 24/7 search for investment (not buyer) goes on.

I`m in the camp that says we will finish no higher than sixth and will do well to achieve that.
Of course,I hope and pray for better but our squad is still alarmingly weak when you factor in the certainty of injuries and loss of form.Reseves of the quality of Naismith,Gueye and Mucha leave us miles away from top four probability.
Yes,Moyes has sold well to buy and Fellaini may well provide the funds for January re-inforcements but only at the cost of weakening the spine.

Spot on, Sean!

The club is in a good position right now but for me the stadium issue is still casting a long shadow over the future of Everton FC. It is obvious that there will not be a new ground any time soon or indeed, if ever!

Goodison Park in its present state has had its day: the Bullens Road stand is 83 years old and the Goodison Road stand is 42 years old which is the same age as the previous stand before it was pulled down in 1970.

My first game at the ground was 60 years ago and the Upper Gwladys St has remained virtually unaltered since then. Throw in the minimal corporate hospitality and obstructed views and it can be seen that the "Grand Old Lady" is in need of more than just a face lift.

The original post asked do we care if we hear from the chairman or not, well I think the only time you need to hear from the chairman is when he has something to say that will effect the club. Seeing as there doesnt appear to be anything on the horizon as far as a buyer is concerned, the only thing I would like our chairmen to tell us is what is happening over David Moyes contract.

To have a manager in the last 12 months of his contract and seemingly no talks planned, reminds me of the Redknapp scenario with Spurs. Although here the manager holds all the aces not the chairman. He is by far the most important person at our club, and as it stands he becomes a free agent at the end of the season. Which means any club can negotiate with him without Everton getting a penny in compensation.

Also talking about someone not saying anything thankfully we have heard nothing from Blue Union, but I guess a couple of bad results and they will be back protesting funny how their argument goes quiet when were winning.

Brian Harrison

Perhaps the Blue Union have realised the extent of how fickle our fanbase is?

Perhaps they know they will only get support if we're getting beat?

Perhaps they know that fans will only be unhappy about the stadium if we're losing?

Brian Harrison (075) you triumphantly crow (re the BU)..

"funny how their argument goes quiet when were winning"

You think?

Makes perfect sense to me they've gone quiet.

From what I have seen over the last few years, the majority of Evertonians (re Everton FC) have shown they basically exist 'in the now'.

That if things are hunky-dory RIGHT THIS MINUTE, they're happy.

Few wins a few good performances, all is well with the world and what the fuck are the BU whining about?

Right?

As for he future - Pfffff!

QPR and hopefully three point, THAT'S the future.

If the BU have decided to protest about the future of the club, only when results aren't going well, I certainly wouldn't blame them.

It might logically sound mad of course, when discussing the FUTURE of the club, but makes perfect sense if the majority can't see any further than the next fixture.

Sell to buy? More like sell to survive! Let's not forget, we managed to buy players in the last 12 months by selling off squad players, but before that we didn't actually 'buy' a player for well over 2 years. We are running at a loss. 'Sell to break even' is a more accurate description of our board's ambitions. Sell off all the family silver, tie us up with long term deals that will give a short-term fix to the finances but massively undersell our worth, ramp up the wage bill - and then hope someone will give them £150 million for the pleasure of inheriting a loss-making mess!

With a 70% rise in TV money next season, the pressure is off BK & chums to sell the club.

BT have paid £800m for a small percentage of live matches!! They will be looking for a break-even position and to possibly start paying the debt down, thus keeping the banks happy.

Obviously their valuation will be much larger now the new TV rights have been secured.

Looks like we will have to clap Bill for a few more years yet...

We will care, one day, when its too late.

Steve 53

1. Moyes for taking the piss at Leeds.
2. Fans for putting champions league (no trophy) above pretty much all cup competitions.
3. Chairmen for wanting the same as 2.
4. Players for being bottling shites.

For the record I would prefer the league cup than champions league. I have supported everton since 84 (8 years old), and are sick of not winning anything, mind I was sick of not getting to semis and finals a couple of years ago....

Ian,

Preferring the League Cup to the Champions League is such small minded thinking that it's actually shocking. One competition gives you about 1 million and a little trophy that nobody really cares about, which can be proven by the dismal attendances around the country. The other is worth tens of millions, now the biggest competition in the world, with every stadium sold out and being shown in just about every country, and the competition that all the best players want to play in.

Put it this way, it doesn't really matter what YOU would prefer. The best players on this team (Fellaini, Jelavic, Mirallas) would stay with Everton if we were playing in the Champions League. The League cup and no European football? They'll be out the door to a Champions League club before the new season even kicks off. The League Cup doesn't propel a team to anything. The Champions League puts Everton on the biggest stage and gives us the money and reputation we need to not only hold onto our best, but bring in more quality players.

Or look at it like this. Winning the League Cup doesn't bring us any closer to the Champions League. But getting in the Champions League would give us the squad depth and quality that would improve our chances at winning a trophy, League Cup or FA Cup. I know I'd much rather watch Everton facing off against the likes of Juventus on a Wednesday night at Goodison rather than Sc**thorpe.

On the note of the Blue Union, it is very difficult in this day and age to garner support for something that may throw our season off the rails and who would get the blame? The manager, the board or the team? No – it would be those who had the temerity to question in what direction the club is going.

Back in the early 80s, it was the united support of the fans deciding not to attend matches which forced the hand of Carter and the board to alter their policy and start to spend a little more... Even after the 84 FA Cup win, we were in danger of losing our top players until Kendall demanded that they were given better wages. The one constant during this period was that EFC were not a selling club and therefore HK was able to build a team.

Evertonians are split mostly by a generational gap: firstly, the older fans remember the club being at the forefront of all things football and, even in the dark days of the 70s, expected and demanded that the club was competing at the higher end of the league.

The younger group, the Premierites, have witnessed a dire time for the club, something not seen since the 1950s: constant financial struggles; a never ending revolving door of first team players; and expectation lowered to the point where 6th place is a seen as success.

At least the younger fans since January have seen some football which resembles the standard of play which us old-uns took for granted in the pre-Premier League era.

But the two generations must agree that the future of Everton Football Club should be viewed in a much longer timespan than our current form or indeed the current campaign.

Protesting for protesting sake is not a solution but, if enough people believe that they are being misinformed – or worse, ignored, then direct action is a legitimate way of getting your views aired.

Our manager is in his last season (unless he signs / is offered a new deal); our stadium needs refurbishing; our top player is/was unsettled and, if he goes, a few more may follow...

On the pitch, things are OK, but any shift may lead to a worse campaign than we might have expected; therefore, yes, I would like to hear from our chairman and the board as to what is their plan of action for the next few years... even if the details may not please us.

I offer no solutions, indeed there are few people who can, but I would welcome the board doing more than treating us like addicts who will accept whatever they deal us and come back for more shit time and time again.

Correct me if I am wrong but hasn't Bill Kenwright said countless times he wants to sell the club? What more do you want? He can't pluck a buyer out of thin air.

Henry 112 - So what you're saying is If Bill SAID something, it must be true?

(you see where I'm going with this?)

Why don't you believe he wants to sell the club, Eugene?

Really at any moment of crisis/pressure there are always x number of interested parties.

I'll answer on behalf of Mr Ruane (very naughty of me)....because he has bought more shares in the club. Not the actions of a man that's keen to sell.

David, that is not evidence that he doesn't want to sell. How do you know there have been any buyers coming forward with concrete offers? Can you name any?

In any case, surely BK's statment of, 'I want to sell the club to a buyer who has the clubs best interests at heart.' is fair enough.

Henry 114, it's a Pavlov's dog-type response.

If a person lies to me, then lies to me again..and again, eventually it will occur to me "This person is....a liar!" and I'll eventually just stop believing them

(II mean call me old-fashioned etc).

And given the lies, I'll (sort of) throw your question back to you — Why DO you believe... etc?

So far, the only 'reason' you've given is 'he said' — and let me remind you: he SAID the KD money was ring-fenced.

"I would welcome the board doing more than treating us like addicts who will accept whatever they deal us"

We are and always will be.

It has always been so.

Now enjoy it.

But Eugene - are the ants like Portsmouth, Leeds and others who closed the door after frantic pissing around with crap promises of food and now have had their homes repossessed ?

Henry, I want to sell my house in Walton, but I want 150 million Quid for it.

How many buyers do you think would be interested at that price? Or do you think if I asked a realistic price it would attract some interst?

David #116

BK "has bought more shares in the club" therefore he doesn't want to sell...

That's a complete non sequitor, haven't you ever heard of a shareholder buying in the hope of selling at a profit?

I don't know why Bill might have bought more shares (or even whether he has); all I know is that it doesn't make it any more or less likely that he'll sell.

"If a person lies to me, then lies to me again..and again, eventually it will occur to me "This person is....a liar!" and I'll eventually just stop believing them"

Crap too.

Loads of people at the head of companies or country lie for the good of the company or country.

Churchill.
Kennedy
Mandela
Saville

Sorry... missed the point with the last one but the others fibbed all day and to some success.

Real openness in high finance or government rarely works or the likes of us will stump good plans. Such is it.

Pray for the Euro Millions — only then will your view carry weight and you can do something.

Otherwise you remain as a previous poster said — "An addict who will accept whatever they deal us"

Sad but reflects capitalism and football. COYB

Very true Ken. But there's no conspiracy in that. Shame on you.

Ged #126

I hang my head.

What's not to believe, Eugene? The man is the pillar of the community, he is a great orator and a great servant to our club.

KD was a long time ago, I think even BK would acknowledge mistakes were made. Why can you not move on from that, it was a very long time ago.

Now to my previous question, can you name any buyers?

Confession, Ken — this weekend!

Considering the vast number of clubs that have been taken over for good or ill in the past 13 years of BK and Co misrule the fact that no offer for the club has been forthcoming is tenuous, but with the NDA agreements in place I can prove nothing.

As for a man buying more shares to make a profit that is what he wants...£150 million for a club that is in a worse state than when he purchased it for £20 million.

So Ken, in conclusion, you're right, I'm wrong: he does want to sell but at a price that no-one is prepared to meet for a number of very good reasons.

Henry, with regards to your first line above, you might want to put your tin hat on

Henry,

BK has himself said that he has spoken to several interested parties – coincidentally, this has generally been when the BU has been putting pressure on him. What happened to these buyers? Why did they not firm up their interest? Where did they go? Could it be the club made them sign confidentiality clauses before the discussions (assuming they did exist and Bill wasn't lying to us), and that they were frightened off by the reported price of £150 million?

(By the way, it was Keith Wyness who revealed that a price of £150 million was not far from what is being asked for us. That would mean an extremely good profit for a board who have sold off all our assets, mortgaged us out to the max, sold off our training ground so that we now rent one, and to whom the banks will no longer lend as we own next to no assets. Oh, they have also tied up our revenue streams into long term deals.)

Oh, and Henry, the other clue is that pretty much every club in the land has been bought out – some more than once – since BK has been in charge. Why haven't we? It can only be that the price is too much – or we are not for sale.

Why has BK never revealed the asking price, if we are truly for sale?

Danny you've clearly been taking the BU's comments a bit too seriously. If Bill says it's for sale, it's for sale. Now lay off him will you.

"Danny you've clearly been taking the BU's comments a bit too seriously. If Bill says it's for sale, it's for sale. Now lay off him will you."

Troll Alert. So we should take Bills seriously, but not the BU? I'll wear a hard hat for the next home game shall I?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7HQFLkxr2g

Ged/Henry.

No point in me commenting further on your posts.

When we debate, we hope to convince people that what we are saying has some validity.

Well it occurs to me that for people reading this thread, the strongest arguments I can come up with, to back up my opinion, is nowhere near as persuasive on my behalf, as your arguments against.

So, you go for it (please!)

Guys BK and BU are irrelevant in the great scheme of things, because if David Moyes does not sign a new contract I fear our top flight status is in real danger.

I have heard over the last few years from posters on here saying we should replace him with Coyle, Rodgers, Lambert, Martinez and countless others who are not in the same class as Moyes. So if we are going to protest about anything, it's why have the board not started negotiations about a new contract? Because, if he leaves when his contract runs out, not only will we get no compensation but to get anybody half-decent we will have to pay that manager's club compensation; seeing we have very little spare cash, will that determine the quality of the manager we bring in.

I am convinced that if Moyes leaves we will be playing Championship football inside 3 seasons. Let's not forget, had Smith stayed for the rest of his last season, we may already have been playing in the Championship or worse.

Henry, in my opinion Bill Kenwright is neither a great orator or a pillar of the community. However, even if he is both , how is it relevant? Also, DK is recent enough for many of us realize the harm it did to the club.

In my view BK wants an investor who will let him continue to do what he is doing.

#124 "I don't know why Bill might have bought more shares (or even whether he has); all I know is that it doesn't make it any more or less likely that he'll sell."

It's in the Annual Reports, Ken. In 2011, he owned some 200-odd shares more then he did in 2010. Now, in Kenwright's own words he is "desperate to sell" the club. But then he's gone and bought even more shares. Does that sound like the actions of a man who's interested in selling something, buying more of it? If I was desperate to sell something, I'd sell for whatever the market will bear and I certainly wouldn't be putting more money into it. Would you, Ken? Perhaps BK is so deluded he really thinks someone out there is going to pay his ridiculous valuation of the club and the larger the piece of it he owns, the more profit he stands to make?

Mostly agree with all the positivity.

My real worry maybe short, medium, definitely long term is how long can we keep Goodison Park open. Seriously concerned that we'll lose our safety certificate in the not too distant future unless some fairly major expansion/refurbishment work is done. And I can't see that happening without investment from somewhere, the like of which our present board seem unwilling or unable to provide

David Barks (105) - I support Everton to win things, not to add a zero to the right backs pay cheque.

Success is about winning things. Its why Brazil 5 have stars on their shirts rather than a turnover note from the nike deal, etc, etc, etc.

In the vain hope we get top 4, do you think we would qualify again the following season with the squad our size? So when the squad disappears off for more CL, you'll think well that was a great experience looking at the sparse trophy cabinet.

Ian,

If we get tens of millions just for getting into the Champions League, the squad size would increase. But not with people just to make up the number, with quality. That would allow us to realistically believe we could win something. It's not to put another zero to the right backs pay cheque, it's to get a right back who has the quality to earn that amount.

If we finished in the top 4 this year, the likes of Fellaini and Mirallas wouldn't have/want to leave next year for Champions League football because they'd have it right her. So our squad would stay together and actually improve for next year, they wouldn't disappear.

One League Cup isn't going to send our trophy cabinet from being sparse to full, but the Champions League will send our account to sparse to full real quick, as well as greatly improving our team, which would give us the ability to start filling that trophy cabinet back up.

David, the Shite have spunked something like £300m trying to get back into the CL and have failed. What guarantee is there we could do it with tens of millions, not forgetting that some of that must go towards paying off debt as well? We've got some ageing players to replace before even thinking about buying cover.

Unlike some on here, I'm not convinced that simply qualifying for the CL one year is going to be the panacea to all our problems. If we did do it, it would be a fluke and as Ian suggests, with our squad size it would a huge task to stay in the competition and you'd have to spend big just to be uncertain of qualifying again the next season.

I'm sure the likes of Fellaini, Mirallas and Jelavic don't want to qualify for the CL just to be knocked out at the first hurdle. They'd be off just the same as if we didn't qualify.

David if we got 20m from CL it would buy you 2 to 3 decent players, plus wages for one season (not the 4 or 5 years on the contract). That isn't enough to get us another top 4 and a CL campaign that doesn't involve being battered. We simply can't play compete in both.

The CL dream needs to be repeated a number of years to make a real difference, rather than a temporary blip. I have thought the same as you for many years, but the cold reality is that we would be back to square one selling off those players we can't afford to keep on with no CL money.

Anyway, I want a trophy. I am a good evertonian and think its about time I enjoyed one with a beer in my hand. 95 was a long time ago, and 87 even longer.

My God,

It's amazing, people are scared to have us qualify for the Champions League and say we'd lose before it even got started. I don't believe that at all. The Shite have been trying to get back for years and failed due to terrible management and terrible transfers. I have a bit more faith in Moyes's ability to find decent players than that.

Not all players of Champions League ability cost £10-15 million, it's just that you have a very hard time attracting those players if you're not capable of being in the Champions League.

You can't repeat getting into the Champions League if you don't qualify for the first one. I could absolutely see us getting out of a group, albeit you can get a terrible draw, and then you just never know.

I'd fancy Gibson, Fellaini, Mirallas, Pienaar, Baines, and Jelavic to get us out of the group stage, not counting any players we would add. I actually think that the way this crop of players is able to play football would allow us to thrive in Europe, unlike in the Premier League where lesser teams just kick the shit out of Fellaini, Pienaar, Jelavic, Baines and Mirallas.

Y'know what lads? We all want the same things. Carling Cup, Champions League! We want to win or achieve SOMETHING.

Going back to the theme of the thread, what is it thats holding us back?

It's not the manager. Not the players.........

David - we couldn't beat Leeds when playing on 2 fronts, what chance playing in darkest Russia, barca, or bayern, assuming we made it into the group stage?

The same XI aint going to play every week. Look at the follow on results from the sky 4, with their squad strength, what makes you thin everton will defy that? Everton perform well with one game a week, its the way we play. Playing two a week would sap the players.

We are playing well, but let's not get too carried away. We have played no one decent away from home with a couple of injuries, and bang the picture might look different.

As I say I admire the aspiration to turn around the club, but I think it's flawed. I hope I'm wrong.

Ian,

And that's my point. Winning the League Cup will give us absolutely no new resources to strengthen our team, does nothing for us financially and would not influence a single player to choose us over someone else. Getting into the Champions League would give us the finances to strengthen our side, add depth so that the same players don't have to play every match. It would actually help us win the League Cup you want.

I've heard it all now.. Kenwright is the Jim Larkin of football chairmen.

The man can barely string a coherent sentence together.

Football is about winning trophies. It's not the taking part, it's the winning.

Who has had the more success over the last 8 years? Arsenal no trophies and qualified every season for CL. Liverpool a European cup, a carling cup and an fa cup. I'd take the latter, redshite or not.

I don't care about that right now, Leeds should be kicked out of the fucking league with their dirty players and their supporters assaulting opposing players. Hate hate hate Leeds, they should be banned and that match should be forfeited. Small section my ass, those fans all saw what that guy did just now and helped him get away. Pathetic.

I have been saying on countless occasions that BK will not pay out unless its demanded by the fans... why else did he buy Fellaini at the last minute?

Moutinho was the player the fans were yelling for and nothing was being done until the 11th hour. So long as survival is the main aim of our board, this will continue. Ambition has long gone and the club motto is a joke.

Our squad is tiny and now we have three key players injured as I feared would happen. Unfortunately the injuries are to players that we do not have top cover for. That is why Hitzlsperger has been given a contract... he is the stopgap or bandage until one or all of them return to fitness.

Statistically our squad is diminishing in size over the past few seasons. Effectively we started with 19 squad members which is now down to 16. Our bench must be the weakest around and has players that will not be used. The only players from the bench that will be used include Anichebe, Naismith and Magaye. Shuffling will enable them to come on if things are going pear-shaped.

I forsee DM playing for a point at QPR unless Gibons makes a surprise return.

We should be delighted by the way the team are performing at the moment. We have a genuine goal threat in Jelavic and creativity and quality in Fellaini, Pienaar and Mirallas.

We peaked under Moyes around 2008 (when we played well in Europe) but we seem to be back to that benchmark again, indeed perhaps better, whilst the attacking style and desire to push forward is clear to see, even for the anti-Moyes brigade.

However, all this good news still masks the problems that lie beneath, ie, the lack of vision and future planning from the Chairman and Board. I am certain that he has Everton's best interests at heart but the fact that we are doing well and playing some great stuff shouldn't be used as a shield to protect himself from his main duties – making cash available to the manager by finding investment and funding a new stadium or refurbishment of Goodison Park.

I have a thirteen-month old son and I want to be able to take him to the match when he is older and not only be proud of the supreme history and traditions of our great club but also feel the wow factor when he goes into the ground for the first time. My first game was in 1980 and my dad held me up as we came through one of the entrances of the Top Balcony. I was only 7 but I thought 'wow' this place is 'big, high, blue and brilliant!'

We must move on upwards and forwards. My preference would be a magnificent redevelopment of Goodison – though a 55,000 seater 'New Goodison' (as part of the new Peel Waterfront development – wishful thinking, I know) shouldn't be sniffed at – but we need the new owners first... It won't happen with Bill; it must be a new owner with vision and business acumen. Perhaps we need a Liverpool city bid for a future Commonwealth games to get a stadium in place? Any thoughts?

Genuine question as I am not as much of an analyst of off-the-field goings on in the modern game as many on here. City & Chelsea aside (i.e. dream / fantasy football); are the fans any clubs who have been taken over / sold actually more content now than they where before?

How about the theory that realistically whoever owns Everton at this moment in time would face the same challenges (unless they were a Shiekh / Russian hobbyist who takes the fun & challenge out of football anyway)?

Maybe the fact we are debating what is holding us back from Champions League qualification or winning a trophy in comparison to the annual relagation expectations when BK took over warrants a thought?

I have no affinity to anyone other than Everton Football Club, but just putting it out there......I standby for the anticipated lashing!!!

Ian Bennett; nothing personal fellow Evertonian, but that attitude grips me and is why English football cannot compete on the highest stage. Our national team (not that I care for them) is sub-standard despite the Sky generated hype whilst success on the European stage relies upon foreign players representing our clubs. Football IS about winning, but if you do not develop players appropriately, you will not win. As we have seen, for all our so called huff, puff and desire, our brand of football does not compete with technically more competent styles regardless of how hard we try, how much desire we show or how much we "get stuck in". Those who have played to a standard will understand.

I get the winning matters mentality at the business end of the premier league, but until we change the "win at all costs" mentality at youth level and concentrate on development of footballers vice the results focussed angry parent coach culture, we will always be in the situation we are in now (buy and sell for a quick fix). See the Dutch, German, Spanish and up-and-coming Belgium models (where we are obviously investing) for examples of how to do it. Develop footballers over time for sustained success, not the buy / sell / buy / sell / buy / sell stock market mentality that simply provides peaks and troughs that only satisfies Sky TV and its cronies.

Rant over - boys are playing the best stuff in years!!!

Henry #130 "What's not to believe" if you believe what BK says then do you also believe what was said at the Desperation Kirkby inquest on his behalf by the club representative under oath. "The board do not intend to sell their shares"?

So is the Club is for sale because BK said so and Elstone deliberately committed purjury?

Yeah, we do give a shite, mate. I mentioned this a few weeks ago under the title Where has the Blue Union disappeared too?

Let's not get carried away with the early form to the season; I know and, most of you know that we are playing to our maximum potential right now. So, once the euphoria abates, the inevitability of a few defeats, then the masses will be back out in force asking where is the chequebook.

So don't be kidded: let's not hide... this is not negativity, this is reality, mate. In a couple of months, the unrest will raise it's head again. Until Mr Kenwright is removed from his position and a new investor is brought in, we will carry on treading water. I have dreams like the rest of you and Mr Moyes I believe can fulfill all of our dreams given a decent purse.

Henry, are you related to Martin Mason by any chance ?

Liverpool council confirm commitment to Everton FC stadium talks but may face £8m... Liverpool Echo 07:52 Thu, 18 Oct 2012

I came across the above snippet on the newsnow website but when I clicked on the link it said the page was no longer available.

Considering the link was timed a day earlier I went to the Echo website - found the headline OK but again the page was no longer available.

Weird considering Echo archives articles going back years - does anyone have any idea what it refers to or have the RS costing Liverpool rate-payers £8m and hiding it?

I don't know what else to say when we now have posters saying that CL football won't help us?!

My Lord, we have a thread running right now discussing the corrupt ref 7 YEARS later!

I don't know who's more at fault, the board or the fans? My guess is the fans. The board members don't care. We do. They have the money to put into the club yet they don't. We have the power to boycott and force change yet we don't. The roof will fall one day and we'll be left holding the bag.

Our last hope is DM holding out for some financial support. Surely he's seeing what vacancies there will be around the Prem (Man Utd, ahem!) but, if he can get them to spend, well that would be just dandy.

#notholdingmybreath

Who said that, Chris?

John (#161) — the safety certification issue for Goodison Park is a BK bullshitism. I posted the response verbatim from the Health and Safety Executive on these pages back in the day Billy Bullshitter was using it as one of his urban myths to scaremonger and exit for his sheeple.

The stadium will not fail to meet its safety requirements as they are based upon exits, fire fighting and the like — all of which are already catered for. Even a complete incompetent buffoon like Billy Bullshitter wouldn't kill his own cash cow by having it closed beneath his feet in that way.

Mike Byrne (300)

I noticed that too. Very suspicious.

You did Ian in #183. I understand that one season won't get our books fully in order but it will help tremendously. Maybe we miss the CL next year but we can add for the year after, can't we?

Also, just as an aside, if we can't look forward to CL football (or think it will be a millstone round our necks, what the hell else is there to get excited about? Why are we spending our time following this team?

If we had 3 more players to the current standard, we would be in much, much better shape than we are now. We're on the brink of greatness but also on the brink of collapse with such a thin squad. Step-by-step.

The only problem is to move from being on the brink of greatness to actual greatness with the acquisition of three players is that those players would have to be Ronaldo, Messi and Falcao.

Chris – I would take Champions League in a heartbeat, I also said I would take a cup over CL if you read all my posts.

Yes CL would give us a temporary boost in income which adds a couple of players for one season, which we would have to jettison the following season if CL was not delivered again – which realistically we couldn't pull off 2 seasons running. We don't have the resources to play at that level when the opposition up the ante, although it could tempt a buyer admittedly (unlikely, but may).

CL could be be the making of our club and a great experience. However, I just think like Rooney we could not capitalise on it.