Season 2012-13 
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Banning Orders
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Thankfully the yob that attacked Chris Kirkland has been caught, sentenced (not long enough imo) & banned for six years.
Thinking about this made me wonder how such bans are enforceable. Personally I don't think they can, bearing in mind that this particular yob has already breached two previous orders, which seems to confirm my thoughts that these bans are meaningless & no deterrent to the hooligan.
Jeff Beaumont, Posted 23/10/2012 at 11:00:20
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878 Posted 23/10/2012 at 14:54:08
881 Posted 23/10/2012 at 15:02:35
http://www.pinktreeparties.co.uk/communities/8/004/006/270/758/images/4527827268.jpg
Always worked for me.
911 Posted 23/10/2012 at 17:13:53
924 Posted 23/10/2012 at 18:40:43
Is there some sort of face recognition technology that I'm not aware of?
936 Posted 23/10/2012 at 20:00:15
If there was non-human facial recognition (which is barely believable given the state of some stadiums and the cost involved), then iI would iamgine it would have to follow normal cctv legislation and have to be clearly signed that you were being electronically recorded, and it would be fairly obvious. Which it isn't, so...
I would hazard a guess that its simply based on ticket sellers having names on a list, worst mugshots blue-tacked up to turnstile windows or external security personnel having spotted an issue having a word in operators ears.
But I wouldn't expect anything more, either - whilst the incident in question is serious and needs to be stopped, its no different to people being banned from pubs, etc. Football stadiums should not be held to legislation above and beyond any other public place in their ability to ban nuisances.
937 Posted 23/10/2012 at 20:13:55
939 Posted 23/10/2012 at 20:19:15
Yeah I can see that fooling them. Lol
The thing is it was only 5 minutes later at a different ticket booth area around the stadium and the ticket seller looked at his computer screen before refusing me a ticket, stating it was 'known' that I had already been refused a ticket..
Call me paranoid, but that was scary technology!
940 Posted 23/10/2012 at 20:46:52
I wouldn't be too worried about a banning order at Goodison Ross.
With what our board has put into the club, I'm surprised we have the technology to warm up a sausage roll.
942 Posted 23/10/2012 at 21:02:52
On a more serious note, although I'm not condoning his actions, I thought a 4 month prison sentence was quite harsh, if you did the same in town on a Saturday night, you would probably spend the night in the cells and that would be it usually. There seems to be a double standard going on if you happen to be on the telly whilst breaking the law {unless you're Stevie G that is}.
964 Posted 24/10/2012 at 01:27:17
033 Posted 24/10/2012 at 12:22:03
Kirkland could well have suffered serious facial damage as a result of this attack and people need protecting from this kind of mindless, neanderthal hooligan and from any suggestion that actually "it is not that serious really". After all, this guy will not even miss Christmas!!
I agree that the cult of celebrity can often manipulate the judicial process. One can only despair of a judicial system that often appears "unfit for purpose" at all levels – after all, a guy dived into the Thames during the Boat Race to protest a cause, attacked nobody, hurt nobody, intended to cause no harm to anybody – and yet got 6 MONTHS in prison!
As for "banning orders" – do we now let out a collective laugh?
This guy got away lightly in my opinion – as do many of his favourite yobs through whom he no doubt lives out his fantasies and who continue to get away with it on the pitch because they are wearing football shirts and are paid obscene amounts of money irrespective of their behaviour!
091 Posted 24/10/2012 at 17:54:44
Yeah that was my point really, the sentencing for this sort of thing is so inconsistant and seems entirely media driven, the faux outrage of Kirkland and Warnock in particular was laughable. Brian Clough committed the same offence and was hailed as a hero,likewise John Prescott.
140 Posted 24/10/2012 at 22:03:40
211 Posted 25/10/2012 at 12:22:39
Maybe not on all the points, I do think a four month sentence for pushing someone is over the top and very costly to us taxpayers, community service would have been a much better option imo, as for the guy who disrupted the boat race, it's outrageous that he's received a prison sentence and I would hope that his lawyers have lodged an instant appeal.
216 Posted 25/10/2012 at 12:45:34
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875 Posted 23/10/2012 at 14:40:10
Feeling a little disappointed I went to a different queue and window and told them I supported Southampton (I know! It felt awful), just to get a ticket (knowing how well behaved I am), and was told that I had already been refused a ticket and they would not sell me one.
So they obviously have a way of visually recognising people before selling them a ticket (I am sure I am not the only one to try this, there seemed to be thouands of Everton fans without tickets milling about). So if they can do it with a perfectly innocent fan, I am sure they have the ability to do it with a thug.