To answer the title of the post, probably not. But I do note an increase on posts and comments on internet articles, news, columns etc. that show more criticisms toward Moyes.

I can only speak for myself. I'd be happy for Moyes to leave at the end of the season. Time for a change. The tipping point was Wigan. Clearly. Before that game, I would have been OK either way if Moyes stayed or went. But now I want a new manager that will offer a fresh perspective and something to look forward to. Or else I feel like giving up on football altogether....

Paul, like you I am of the generation that suffered the 70s and then lapped up the 80s and so we have seen how low it can be and how high this club can take us. Never even under Lee Kendall between 1979 to 1983 when we were struggling to get fans through the turnstiles and had radio commercials asking us to get down to Goodison did I ever feel that the club would not at some point be turned around and go on to greater things. But on Saturday afternoon it was as if the hope had turned to the realisation that we may never witness an Everton Captain lift a trophy again, partly due to the lack of income, partly because we have a board of directors that somehow don't have a plan, but most of all the one man who we trust to do his best under trying circumstances was found wanting when we needed the team to perform and take us back to the top table.

David Moyes unlike Howard Kendall and Joe Royle has never had all of the supporters on board all of the time, some have ceased going, many sit in silence and some who perhaps don't know what it is like to see an Everton side who fear nobody, are thankful that we aren't in the lower reaches of the PL. Saturday in my opinion was possibly worse than last years capitulation against the old enemy at Wembley, it only confirmed the doubts that many have had and I honestly can't see how David Moyes can come out of the other side of that short of winning the next ten games, unfortunately that is probably not going to happen.

Maybe on Saturday it would be a good time for the fans in the stadium to show how much the team means to the fans by getting right behind them and giving their full vocal support, to show the world what a wonderful place Goodison can be to play football in a royal blue shirt. But whatever mood the crowd is in, it won't change David Moyes style of management or the way he sets out to play and that is a pity because Evertonians never got to love the manager who on the whole has done a good job, he just didn't manage to do it in a way that many Evertonians would have wanted him to.

Here is a perfect way to judge 11 years of Moyes stewardship:

What is the difference between the 'Aging Squad' he inherited and the 'Aging Squad' 11 years of his control have brought to us now???

Marcus Choo (#707) — How many 'Tipping Points' does Moyes get before he is finally TIPPED???

What about last year's Semi-Final and all three derby games? They were 'tipping points'...

What about the annual HALF a good season? That is a 'tipping point'...

What about his 'tactical stupidity'? That is a 'tipping point' as is his 'safety first all track back game plan with no Plan B'.

I don't know Tim, you tell me? It seems you weren't as patient as some others. Like I said I speak for myself. You want to speak for others?

He will play the same formation on Saturday. Fellaini behind a forward, two holding midfielders who can't hold, Jelavic and Mirallas will be under strict orders to run the full backs down etc etc.

He can't change, it's in his DNA .

The likes of Tony Marsh showed his hands early on in his view of Moyes and has stood by it. Others have been doubting for a few seasons and last seasons Anfield Derby followed by the FA Semi turned them against Moyes a bit but were still willing to give the man a chance (again).

From the conversations I've had with other Blues, it's very difficult to find people willing to continue to support him as the Wigan game has tipped them over. Even before the game, they doubted a win when hearing of Neville and Osman were both playing.

Time is a great healer but I think the wounds from the Wigan game are cut quite deep.

For the first time I am hearing fans of other clubs (other than RS) talk about the end for Moyes. They have tended to believe the media hype about building a team of hardworkers, brilliant job with resources etc. With the increased media attention to the subject it finally appears that the illusion has been discovered and Moyes has been unveiled as the tactically inept, boring coach that he is.

I have been telling people since 2008 his time is up and we haven't finished in a European placing in the league since then. It's time for a change, but it's come too late with the squad starting to age and no finances to make wholesale changes.

It doesn't have to black & white though does it.

I wanted Moyes to stay, but also change his approach. At the beginning of the season, we played some great stuff, especially away at Villa & Swansea, but we are now witnessing him reverting to type.

I am not too bothered about missing out on a Europa League place, but the Cup capitulation has taken us to a point of no return.

The man has turned into a sulking prima donna, something he has slated players for in the past.

He won't commit his future, and in my eyes, he has not earned the right to have such an attitude - I believe we have made Moyes, not the opposite. He has been one lucky manager to be working with our board, there are no targets except survival in the League, incredible in itself.

I do not like the way he is lauded as a visionary by some, or one of our greatest managers, he is just a little above average who plays not to lose, he has also set a lot of unwanted records in his time here.

I also thing that any average managers such as Allardyce, given the same time and money for wages, could have matched any one of of our managers "achievements."

We are quick to forget he had all £24m of the Lescott money, and we have most of our first team on top six wages, we just fall back on squad size, which should be supplemented more by trusting younger players.

Paul I don't think we on TW are more representative it's just that it's the only forum that demands thinking argument other sites just regurgitate what Alan Hansen says and talk about wrestling.

Any serious examination of Moyes record concludes 7th ish, no trophies and a losing record in big games. The money excuse with constant reference to Walter's years has died because he produced a good squad from his own efforts by selling Rodwell and Bily. But the predictable fall has happened culminating with his signature piece a la Wigan.

But he's done far worse, last years RS calamities will haunt for years and all in all this seasons standings will be just the same as others. His real mistake is not understanding the fans he has always been at best a qualified success respected not loved and deciding this meant he could play silly buggers with his contract has killed him.

TW being the only place where genuine unencumbered debate happens just means the warnings have been highlighted for longer.

I suspect TW is not representative because it probably appeals most to expats (like me), people who come from Liverpool but don't live there any more. If I still lived in the city I would probably have a network of fellow Blues with whom to chat with about EFC. Here in Kent, I don't, so TW is a boon.

I'd say there's also a bit of a split between regular match-goers and those who now watch on the TV or the PC. People who actually go are generally likely to be less critical than those who don't. It's obvious, isn't it?

I'm sure there are plenty of exceptions to these rules, but I think they generally apply.

It's not representative because this site has a reputation as being negative (this is wrong, as it's the posters, the "site" is neutral) I go on other forums and the mood is not so glum or, most importantly, not aggressive.

That is the one biggest issue with posters on here, they do scare away ickle sensitive posters with their sweary posts and personal attacks if posters disagree with them. This is aimed at both the pro and anti posters.

Look at the threads of late, every one descends into oneupmanship posts, which is always about Moyes. Start a thread about the Under 21's, it will either have hardly no responses or end up being turned into a Moyes bashing thread......as nearly every one of the threads now populating this site.

The site represents the vocal and angry posters mostly, the happy clappers who can't spell go to Blue Kipper.

Kev, if I was a match goer who had chucked some my of hard earned to watch some of the crap that team has been producing recently I would be more than a little bit critical.

Tonight I will meet up for a few drinks with a mate who happens to be an intelligent Red - yes, there are some!. He will tell me that we should be forever grateful to Moyes - which I agree with. However, the relationship with the fans at the moment is a bit like that of a failed marriage, a job that's grinding you down - time to move on.

The biggest gripe that I have had with Moyes is that, despite the lack of money, he has failed to grasp the way football has moved on. Watching the Barcelona vs AC Milan game last night was like watching a different sport altogether. Yes, there was sideways passing but quick, incisive breaks and counter-attacking.

I am not paid huge sums to observe such developments - Moyes is. The team still often plays pre-historic football. Laudrup sees how football should be played, Martinez sees it. Even Adkins at Southampton saw it. They will probably have less success over the piece than Moyes has had but at least there football has been entertaining to watch and has the possibility of developing into something better.

I just think that after 11 years, our style of play should be on a higher plane than it is. Time for a change.