Season 2012-13
Opinion
Talking Points
Di Canio to be tapped up
Please, please, please can we snap up one of the greatest young managers around someone with flair, excitement and ambition? A man with strong principles and a love of good football who can relate to the fans.
We all know Moyes is holding out for another big payday, hoping another big club comes in for him and even his biggest fans at our club ( I am not a fan of Moyes by the way) want him to go now. I will be so disappointed if we offer Moyes another contract. He should be told we will pay his contract and allow him to sit in the main stand until May.
Di Canio a man of principles would stand up to Billy Liar and hold him to account for us. We are allegedly talking to new investors (convenient that whilst season ticket applications are being sent out), well Di Canio can ensure that this promise is met he is not a 'yes' man and is the right candidate for change. If he is promised money he will ensure he gets the money if there is no money but we sell our stars he will question why.
Di Canio in and new owners the cloud of the Wigan defeat May just have that silver lining,
Dennis Shaw, Posted 12/03/2013 at 09:30:47
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558 Posted 12/03/2013 at 19:51:35
562 Posted 12/03/2013 at 20:05:32
Interested to hear the latest list of possible replacements
Martinez, Round, Neville!!
Although this line is being overused at present..becareful what you wish for
586 Posted 12/03/2013 at 20:41:51
594 Posted 12/03/2013 at 20:42:15
What he would bring.... Pride (cockiness if you will) Respect (a preceding reputation) Love (this bloke loves footy & not the ugly stuff) Desire (Mourinhoesque in his own arrogance. What's on the pitch reflects upon himself & his ego. Suffers no slouchers or gobshites). He is not the P.E. Teacher we have installed at present & he will take chances. He'll probably fuck up a few times too. I would be knocking on his door right now if I was BK & I'm not & therein lies the problem.
1/ Does Bill want his own door knocker? No! And someone with balls would be if they hadn't been conveniently compensated not to.
2/ Does He want passion? I don't think so, we don't do passion here & it only leads to aspirations.
3/ Does he want results? Hmmmmm... Yes & no. Nothing that requires further expenditure but not relegation.
4/ Does he want a ginger punch bag who'll not bad mouth him & swallow his big salary?
A different attitude, different board & different outlook would be required before Di Canio even considered coming here. I'm being very careful with my wish & I'm not using it on Di Canio as our boards aspirations don't meet his.
605 Posted 12/03/2013 at 21:11:07
609 Posted 12/03/2013 at 21:23:29
612 Posted 12/03/2013 at 21:34:33
Bill will decide who is next manager at Everton. He will definitely be looking for his next "yes man", and definitely not someone who might hold him to account.
The advert for the position will probably say "lapdog wanted".
622 Posted 12/03/2013 at 21:45:58
I wouldn't even mind if people put forward genuine viable alternatives to Moyes but last year it was the Lmabert/Rodgers brigade (ominously quiet now both have done nada at big clubs - sorry, Rodgers will probably be hailed as a visionary if he finishes ahead o fus despite spending 50 million more than us this season). This year its the Martinez and any lower league manager who supposedly plays attacking football club. If we do get a new manager god forbid he might come with a trophy or some top division experience on his CV rather than just being hired on the whim of whoever has won a few games recently in legaue 1.
633 Posted 12/03/2013 at 22:02:21
635 Posted 12/03/2013 at 21:56:11
He is qualified because he has been a top footballer for his Country and played for quality teams in Italy and England. He is qualified because he has earned his coaching badges and showed he has the passion and hunger for success.
If you knew your football you would know Martinez is a top manager as is Di Canio and that Moyes is a safety first steady Eddie pandering to Bill Kenwright holding us back.
Are you hoping that we get Moyes for a further 11 years? Our kids have hardly seen us put a decent performance in recently never mind seen us win anything.
639 Posted 12/03/2013 at 22:02:08
I'm sure many of you think that's a betrayal of the club, and that a man's political opinions aren't applicable to his football career. But I would politely disagree with you. I expect more of Everton fans, but there again I probably shouldn't.
Anybody stupid enough to laud "Il Duce" isn't intelligent enough to manage the club that I love.
640 Posted 12/03/2013 at 22:05:28
641 Posted 12/03/2013 at 22:09:59
644 Posted 12/03/2013 at 22:09:11
647 Posted 12/03/2013 at 22:17:40
648 Posted 12/03/2013 at 22:12:47
Looking around I don't see a new manager with the current board doing any better, if anything things will get worse on the field, that's a cert with the likes of Di Canio - that's my big concern, with have stability with a consistent top 8 place, lets hope that doesn't deteriate while we have a board of penniless pockets
656 Posted 12/03/2013 at 22:38:51
657 Posted 12/03/2013 at 22:29:28
Whose principles? His own or Mussolini's?
The guy is a fully fledged fascist previously accused of racially abusing one of his own players.
"As a boy, di Canio was initiated as an "ultra", or extreme supporter, of SS Lazio (the initials stand for Societá Sportiva), a team founded by Italian army officers in 1900 and the preferred club of Benito Mussolini, "Il Duce", one of the founders of fascism.
The player has, in his autobiography, praised Mussolini as "basically a very principled, ethical individual" who was "deeply misunderstood".
He has the word "Dux", the Latin equivalent of "Duce", tattooed on his arm."
He can stick those principles up his arse
I also don't understand the rationale here: " If he is promised money he will ensure he gets the money". How exactly? Pop round Bill's house and threaten to put his head in a vice like he's Joe Pesci in Casino minus the crap wig & shortarse charm? Isn't he more likely just to get into a strop and jack it in?
660 Posted 12/03/2013 at 22:40:16
I remember the announcement of Moyes. No experience of The Premier League, average Jock hoofer in Scotland as a player! He's worked wonders apparently, so imagine someone with his credentials & a bit of fire in his belly.
The reality is that we won't get a big name manager or player under this regime & Di Canio is quite a far fetched fantasy as we couldn't accommodate his ambition. Discuss....
Growing up I saw the club EFC was & here we are clawing at a shit manager to stay!?
662 Posted 12/03/2013 at 22:34:14
Whilst your so well versed on all things Di Canio, can you tell us how, who, where and when he was/is guilty of the crimes you accuse him of? Last time I checked there was/is no law that stops anyone from having beliefs, however strange they may seem to the rest of us. I find the whole Catholic thing strange, not because I disagree but because it is not something that I have ever given enough time to to understand. I would not criticise something that I was not sure of, so please enlighten us of your wealth of knowledge regarding Di Canio and his beliefs.
671 Posted 12/03/2013 at 23:22:56
Hello Dennis
I can't see it happening (though it excites me to think it would, he would have ago and that's an improvement over Moyes). The reason purely the same one why Brian Clough and Bob Paisley were never offered the England Job, they weren't yes men and would have stood up for themselves and what's right.
Di Canio and Kenwright are oil and water. Di Canio would realise at the interview what Kenwright is when he says:
"We don't want you to play too aggressively, 42 pts is plenty enough, don't stretch the team trying to win any trophies or that champions League nonesense, the fans will understand they've got no expectations!"
673 Posted 12/03/2013 at 23:31:42
Concerning Moyes I don't buy into this myth that you're trying to perpetuate that no one has seen a decent performance in recent times. Before February we'd had a whole 12 months of very good league form with wins against City, United, and Chelsea. If a manager was available who I thought would do better next seaosn than Moyes then I'd have no problem going for him if Moyes left. I believe if given the Fellaini money (what a millstone off our neck that will be) and any of the Tv revenue Moyes would spend it in a way that would improve the team. I don't think it would take that much improvement to get us back into the European places next season. Do I think Martinez would improve our league standing next year? In short no, I think he'll take ages trying to find a way to win with this team, there'll be some exhiliraitng highs perhaps wins at the Emirates or Stamford Bridge and there''d be numeorus embarassing losses at home. I know some people on here would probably trade our premier league status for a win at Anfield and get hung up to a ridiculous extent on certain stats. You can play them any way though, we've got one of the league's best records at the Etihad and Moyes has presided over our single biggest win over Liverpool since Catterick's days. Make of that what you will, I personally don't give these stats any credence.
675 Posted 12/03/2013 at 23:46:00
Hello Dave,
I don't think Martinez would come to us, if he keeps Wigan up (and wins FA Cup (not impossible!)), he'll probably wait for something bigger.
I name I haven't seen mentioned and on that I think is very probable and BK's style, is a quiet man who just gets on with his job without any fuss and wouldn't test BK too much (just like DM): Chris Houghton.
Chances are though we'll be in the same position next year we are now (where's the Prozac?).
682 Posted 13/03/2013 at 00:04:26
The only problem is, we don't choose our next manager, Kenwright and his band of merry thieves do, so expect a puppet who isn't going to kick up a fuss if he isn't getting transfer money, And definitely don't expect a manager with a big mouth like Di Canio.
686 Posted 13/03/2013 at 00:29:57
This is your argument for sticking with Moyes?
So exactly what experience had Moyes when he joined? What trophies had he won? What top league had he managed in?
The irony.
687 Posted 13/03/2013 at 00:37:51
691 Posted 12/03/2013 at 23:54:31
Do you know what your talking about?
"I also don't understand the rationale here: " If he is promised money he will ensure he gets the money". How exactly? Pop round Bill's house and threaten to put his head in a vice like he's Joe Pesci in Casino minus the crap wig & shortarse charm? Isn't he more likely just to get into a strop and jack it in? "
Check you history!
"il Duce" wiped the Mafia out! It was one of the reasons why the Italian people embraced him so much early on (and probably a reason why Di Canio likes him).
Aren't your words the words of a typical front line black shirt, who's been fed generalisations about another country, but is really clueless about what's going on.
Whether you agree with Di Canio's politics or not, he's stood up for what he believe's in, which is more than what most people do.
As a nation we're trying to topple Assad in Syria (what a fascist twat, blood of thousands on his hands), but at the same time his money is in our banks (unconfiscated, nice eh?), have you wrote to the government or to any other forums expressing your moral outrage?
I can give you lot's of examples of nasty dictatorships we've propped up if you want (and other deeds our peace loving and democratic nation has done), we vote for the Government that does it!
Are you as clean as you think you are?
Di Canio doesn't have the blood of thousands on his hands.
He probably just has a clearer conscience than many because he speaks his mind and doesn't hide who he is.
693 Posted 13/03/2013 at 00:36:59
"If we do get a new manager god forbid he might come with a trophy or some top division experience on his CV rather than just being hired on the whim of whoever has won a few games recently in Legaue 1."
As I said to Sam, can you see the irony of what you are saying here? So let me get this straight, you only want a new manager if he has a trophy under his belt? If not you're happy to stick with one who has none in 11 years? (And that's just with us.)
Your second post really is full of the most ill-thought-out bullshit I have had the mis-pleasure of reading on this site in recent times. I was about to spend a few mins cutting and pasting the most ridiculous parts but on reflection I couldn't be arsed because its pointless.
One point that I can't pass on commenting on though is your hilarious comment about foreseeing numerous embarrassing losses. What, like 7-1? Or 5-1 to some no mark Romanian team? Some of the most embarrassing defeats this club has ever suffered have been under your hero (and we get these without the faintest possibility of an away win at a big club like you mention).
And finally what kind of a cock claims that other fans would trade out Premier League status for a win at Anfield? Seriously man, do you even think about what you write?
694 Posted 13/03/2013 at 00:56:49
695 Posted 13/03/2013 at 01:03:14
696 Posted 13/03/2013 at 01:07:40
During his time at Lazio, he would celebrate by saluting (in traditional neo-nazi style) the famously neo-nazi 'supporters' group who have turned up at the training ground of lazio to block the entrance of black players in the past.
Besides the fact he'd probably walk after 6 months or the first sale of a star player or the fact that he aint managed beyond league 1. Paul Ince did great job at Macclesfield and Mlton Keynes, ballsed up in the P.L.
So an unproven fascist is our new saviour? Nah ta!
Martinez would be an option, with Neville as assitant.
Beyond him, there aint many. Maybe Poyet (he was flavour of the month a few months ago, is he still any good?) or someone like Neil Lennon from Celtic is also a long shot.
697 Posted 13/03/2013 at 01:16:44
698 Posted 13/03/2013 at 00:49:12
Seriously, would it honestly be worth having someone with his beliefs at Everton because he MIGHT get a few results? "Yeah ok he's a fan of Mussolini like and he's a fascist — a political belief that has racism at it's core — but fair play, remember when he caught that ball?"
700 Posted 13/03/2013 at 01:25:39
For the record, I wouldn't agree with Di Canio for the job either, but any name that is ever suggested is just shot down with this tripe by some, usually the same brigade who wouldn't hear a bad word uttered against the moyesiah. And many of the arguments are laughable in their irony.
My personal choice would be Slaven Bilic. (Cue Bilic character assassination).
705 Posted 13/03/2013 at 03:07:24
If we looking at replacements, I would possibly opt for Paul Lambert — he's been told to cut the wage bill at Villa and not given a chance to carry on where he left off at Norwich, I think he could do a solid job with us.
Just another thought... Hughton is a good shout as well.
709 Posted 13/03/2013 at 03:45:04
731 Posted 13/03/2013 at 07:46:05
That said, I think Everton should be aiming higher if Moyes was to walk away.
The OP states that even Moyes's bigest supportes now want him gone? I disagree and would argue that most Everton fans would welcome him signing a new contract. Maybe we can get a Poll on the scene guys?
734 Posted 13/03/2013 at 08:20:08
I then said that people use single statistics in order to beat Moyes and then cited two equally irrevelavant stats about his win over Liverpool and his record at City. You almost choked on the profanities you were spouting out over thisthen laughably cited two losses that you could think of in 11 years. So what, United got beaten 6-1 at home by City, Probably their worst loss ever, individual games mean nothing.
Faintest whiff of an away win (putting aside a minute that it is four lcubs of your choice and not the current top teams in England), there's been load so fitmes we've ocme close to the win mos tnotably at the Emirates only for that last minute deflected goal to go in. Is that not a whoff of a win, the stat is still inexcusable but don't make stuff up its not as though we've never looked like we might win.
Seamus you just belong to this sad generation of revisionists on this site that are so bent out of shape by anger that they can do little more than personally insult whoever posts anything that doesn't fit into their deluded hypocritical world view.
737 Posted 13/03/2013 at 08:39:57
I'd rather have Roberto Di Matteo, he won the Champions League and FA cup 6 months into the job.
Now a man with a point to prove if given a chance.
745 Posted 13/03/2013 at 09:29:02
Klinsmann and Bilc play good attacking football but I doubt they would come without the transfer pot. I still can't see beyond Martinez.
751 Posted 13/03/2013 at 09:40:20
I'm just looking at his CV.
Di Matteo got his team promoted from the Championship.
Played Barcelona twice - Won 1 Drew 1.
Prepared to drop players who are not performing even for big games. (Torres for Juventus)
He also appears to be both determined and lucky.
He ticks a lot if my boxes.
Martinez will not come to Goodison if Wigan stay up. Do we want him if they go down?
754 Posted 13/03/2013 at 10:32:36
756 Posted 13/03/2013 at 11:02:49
758 Posted 13/03/2013 at 11:04:37
We need a manager with killer instinct and one who has the conviction to go with blending youth and hunger into his squad just as Joachim Loew did with the German national side after he took the reigns from Klinsmann, that isn't a current British trait. Even Loew is still looking to new youth for this year.
761 Posted 13/03/2013 at 11:22:28
My money is on a Curbishley type of individual.
Desperate for a job so will do as he is told.
So the list may well be:
Alan Curbishley
Mark Hughes
Shteve Mclaren.
etc etc etc...
God help us.
765 Posted 13/03/2013 at 11:18:49
Moyes will sign a new contract - for 12 months with a get out clause,& this time next year will go all through this once again
768 Posted 13/03/2013 at 11:47:11
Hello Dave,
Yes, Lamberts definitely a contender and I feel the need to remind all that even Moyes early on had a flirt with relegation, I'm interested to see if he keeps them up (just like Martinez).
It's a difficult one, you can find pros an cons for them all. I don't envy BK his job if he finds the backbone to make the choice.
They're all at the same level, Martinez, Houghton and Di Canio, that being, unproven at a club with EFC's stature.
There is also Di Matteo, who I think does have a decent tactical brain and won the CL, but having said that there's one or two of us who would have won the CL given the talent in that team. I heard an interesting rumour about Di Matteo, it's that he rubbed up the wrong way a lot of the staff at WBA with his attitude/arrogance to the little people?
773 Posted 13/03/2013 at 12:15:43
No stating who I want, just that Lennon is someone I could see B.K. hiring.
Hughes, Di Matteo, Bilic ( what has he ever achieved by the way?), Klinsmann it wont be.
I believe it will be 1 of Lennon, Martinez or Neville. None of whom will 'take us to the nxt level'
777 Posted 13/03/2013 at 12:34:31
778 Posted 13/03/2013 at 12:36:28
785 Posted 13/03/2013 at 11:29:34
Gary Megson, anyone?
787 Posted 13/03/2013 at 12:51:11
Laudrup's signed a new contract, and Di Canio is a headline grabber, with a lower league record often repeated by many fat blokes called Stan or Ian.
Frank Ryjkaard. Make a statement.
815 Posted 13/03/2013 at 13:28:08
Martinez is a good shout, gets his young team playing good stuff, but always just escapes relegation season after season & usually gets spanked a few times along the way... 9-1 at Spurs anyone!
I know i'll be given down the banks by my fellow ToffeeWebbers, but I remember a while back Leeds playing some great passing stuff under Simon Greyson: entertaining, exciting & plenty of goals spread throughout a young attacking team... Oh to see some of that at Goodison!
I know he was sacked there, but it was by Ken Bates & Leeds have plodded on since. (Apart from the League Cup, again!!!)
To be honest, at the moment, I'd settle for anyone who could bring some pride back!!!
833 Posted 13/03/2013 at 14:04:52
843 Posted 13/03/2013 at 15:16:19
Excellent player, good as manager in Scandinavia, but those Scandinavian leagues are a world apart from our Prem or even the Championship. That's a possible negative for me.
850 Posted 13/03/2013 at 16:19:40
869 Posted 13/03/2013 at 17:13:04
875 Posted 13/03/2013 at 17:22:29
He had Athletico Bilbao playing some great stuff last year and with a tight budget and local basque player restrictions he already knows a thing or 2 about running a club with both hands tied behind his back. He would also probably work for less than 80k a week.
895 Posted 13/03/2013 at 19:01:19
931 Posted 13/03/2013 at 20:14:06
In my view De Canio is a pretentious, ridiculous drama queen who will walk out whenever the going gets tough. Histrionics are not principles and what has he done to suggest he could manage Everton? We would not be ignoring a potentially great manager because of his wacky political beliefs, we would be avoiding a crowd pleasing buffoon with a nasty streak. A bit like his hero, actually.
937 Posted 13/03/2013 at 20:58:39
Steve Round will probably be our next manager then.
938 Posted 13/03/2013 at 21:03:30
Basically Moyes lite.
949 Posted 13/03/2013 at 21:21:11
952 Posted 13/03/2013 at 21:28:27
955 Posted 13/03/2013 at 21:31:19
Martinez, Di Matteo, Adkins, Steve Clarke and maybe Poyet might be more realistic options; i'm not totally sold on any of them but one of them might work out well.
Mclaren, Hughes, Steve Bruce, Neville, Round and Curbishley are in the 'Please God no' pile that we will probably end up with.
957 Posted 13/03/2013 at 21:43:26
958 Posted 13/03/2013 at 21:44:20
Chris Houghton fits into that middle bunch and is BKs type of man (won't ask too many questions).
962 Posted 13/03/2013 at 21:39:27
But I've just read about his political affiliations and yes he is a fascist sharing the same views as Mussolini - why must charismatic men be such nutters?
969 Posted 13/03/2013 at 21:43:04
I'd also have a fourth list which would consist of David O'Leary, Neil Lennon, Dick Advocaat and Mick McCarthy. This list comprises candidates who would make one consider never watching football again.
If and when Moyes goes I expect that the next permanent coach will be someone never mentioned on ToffeeWeb,
970 Posted 13/03/2013 at 21:55:26
We need a manager who fucking hates the shite as much as we do.
We have been too nice for far too long, I want ref's to be shit scared about sending off one of our players, no more Osman shrugging in front of the ref to show his displeasure.
I want us to turn into a bunch of snarling, moaning, tough tackling nutters who can play a bit - the new modern day Leeds, fuck all this nice Everton who don't complain bollocks - look where that got us!!
975 Posted 13/03/2013 at 22:00:21
976 Posted 13/03/2013 at 22:15:08
977 Posted 13/03/2013 at 22:17:24
Glen Hoddle...God help us...then again with Glen in charge maybe HE would!
982 Posted 13/03/2013 at 22:19:05
Heard that Coppell was being lined up before Moyes got the job way back when. Could see Kenwright looking in his direction again.
983 Posted 13/03/2013 at 22:36:23
987 Posted 13/03/2013 at 22:41:08
I don't actually rate Keane, I was just making a suggestion based on Mr Hudson's criteria. I mean, he ought to be a good manager, but his track record shows he isn't. He is probably a better TV pundit than coach.
Happily, I'm with you on Bielsa and Bilic. Feel free to disagree with me at this point, just to even things up, mate!
Here's a thought: Joe Royle. He's younger than Ferguson!
988 Posted 13/03/2013 at 22:47:17
994 Posted 13/03/2013 at 22:52:39
996 Posted 13/03/2013 at 23:03:14
998 Posted 13/03/2013 at 23:29:28
Saint Francis of Assisi would be OK, I suppose. Although he did once stand on a snail.
003 Posted 14/03/2013 at 00:13:40
What do I think he will bring well the first thing is a buzz about the place, a bit of excitement a much needed lift to us fans. Next he will instill flair, fast flowing attacking football someting we have been crying out for for years and guess what if Naismith or Neville cant keep up he would drop them and allow youth ( Barkley / Junior ) to come into the team. He would hold the board to account and won't put up with BS.
Before you write a lazy reply misquoting his views actually research what he has achieved as a player and manager ( admittedly in lower divisions but with less talented players).
I can't be arsed googling a witty 'stupid' phrase.
005 Posted 14/03/2013 at 00:28:00
009 Posted 14/03/2013 at 01:03:07
There is only one person who I think fits that description; Kenwright will probably never even try him: his name is Laurent Blanc.
019 Posted 14/03/2013 at 04:18:06
020 Posted 14/03/2013 at 04:28:19
097 Posted 14/03/2013 at 14:56:19
148 Posted 14/03/2013 at 17:50:49
I am aware that my examples were inaccurate & frivolous, etc..
No need to tell me to "get real," as I'll let you in on a secret:
.....I was just having a little fun with Collins.
Anyway, hateful politics aside, Di Canio wouldn't work for me; Moyes's successor must have proven top-flight pedigree. An up-and-coming, lower league manager was okay in 2002, but thanks to Moyes's efforts we are now in a position to attract higher class (than Moyes was) now.
158 Posted 14/03/2013 at 18:31:06
Since then he has got Brighton promoted from League 1 and now on the edge of the playoffs. Also knocked Newcastle out of the Cup two years on the bounce.
He is too the best of my knowledge neither a fascist or to quote Tony " a fucking head the ball"
159 Posted 14/03/2013 at 18:49:41
161 Posted 14/03/2013 at 18:48:08
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xpDixwO6mE
You really want this fucking nut case?
162 Posted 14/03/2013 at 18:54:37
179 Posted 14/03/2013 at 19:47:38
199 Posted 14/03/2013 at 20:37:18
206 Posted 14/03/2013 at 20:50:12
221 Posted 14/03/2013 at 21:11:50
It matters.
No ta.
222 Posted 14/03/2013 at 21:17:37
225 Posted 14/03/2013 at 21:21:48
351 Posted 15/03/2013 at 08:41:44
Dream on if you expect anything different
374 Posted 15/03/2013 at 10:00:11
I was very suprised to see the results of the latest toffeeweb poll
377 Posted 15/03/2013 at 10:07:46
448 Posted 15/03/2013 at 13:36:34
D'Canio mmm, rather have Poyet or (sorry if this upsets people) the fat Spanish Waiter
But fear -
Allardyce
McLaren
O'Leary
McLeish
Round
Neville
Reid
Hughes
588 Posted 15/03/2013 at 21:15:28
596 Posted 15/03/2013 at 21:24:59
Cheers!
601 Posted 15/03/2013 at 21:41:11
I am not saying he is a bad manger, it’s just people who criticise Moyes on the grounds of mediocrity and thereafter suggest Martinez as a fresh replacement……. Well draw your own conclusion as to how they justify their reasoning. Call a spade a spade please.
606 Posted 15/03/2013 at 22:08:11
Surprised...why exactly?
947 Posted 16/03/2013 at 20:17:47
Great game today eh ;-)
957 Posted 16/03/2013 at 20:20:31
Fantastic game :-) squared. Still don't get why you're surprised?
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556 Posted 12/03/2013 at 19:44:22
There is a song by The Smiths that sums up everything Everton - Nowhere Fast.