It was, of course, highly topical after the Wigan debacle so it felt right to post the new poll this past week.

It's worth noting, though, that the numbers were a little different prior to yesterday's act of partial redemption. Around 52% had voted to say they didn't want him to renew his contract but that gap has now closed. (And I'll wager if we lose at home to Stoke in two weeks' time, those numbers will shift again. Football fans fickle? Never!)

I reckon if we were able to do a poll DURING a match - perhaps by attaching electrodes to fans - then we would get wildly differing results over 90 minutes. "What? Bring off Anichebe and bring on Jelavic with a minute to go! What are you thinking of Moyes, you bloody fool.... Er, I mean you flipping genius!"

The facts are, we supposedly only failed to sign Ofoe on loan due to paperwork being late....so whats the current reason he is not here ?

Fer was supposedly within our budget and that sale fell through due to an old injury showing up during his medical...I hope that they still have that money available to sign a new player during the summer ??
PLUS a transfer budget for other new faces.

I believe DM is honest and wants the best for Everton and the fans, he is as frustrated as the rest of us about the poverty struck board room that run us.
I reckon he is delaying his contract signing in the hope that it will encourage the board to back him otherwise he must feel he has taken EFC as far as he can.

BTW Lyndon I assume that a TW member can only vote once on this topic?

Sure Moyes has overseen the usual cup surrenders but that's what he does.

Sorry Brendan living on planet Moyes has affected your grasp of reality if anything his approval rating should have increased?

However, posting a poll on Toffeeweb asking if Moyes should go is a bit like posting a poll on the UKIP website asking if Britain should leave in Europe.

Btw - I have converted from the People's front

Don't see the issue here.

The guy is as steady and predictable as they come. If you're happy with:

1) Finishing top 8 each season
2) Watching Neville/McFadden/Naismith/ play ahead of any of our youth team.
3) Bottling it unnecessarily in cup games.
4) Sitting on a 1-0 lead
5) Sending his teams out to not intimidate the ref or make the most of challenges.
6) The bi-annual knife to a gunfight speech, where he "manages our expectations".

Then he's the guy for you.

If you think the club can and should aim for better, then its probably time for a change.

We've all had about 11 years to make our minds up. We've seen what he's about. We've seen his good points and bad points, so I don't see what further things we could learn from "the next game".

Might be a little simplistic tbh.

You do see the dynamic and unstable nature of football fans and their views.

A minority – 47% of people have voted for Moyes to go; a majority – 53% either want him to stay or are undecided.

Meanwhile, back on Planet ToffeeWeb, a majority of people who post (or do so with any regularity) want him to go. This part is a subjective appraisal, admittedly, but I'd say that as many as 75-80% are in favour of a new manager. So therefore, a lot of people read TW and support Moyes but don't post. They are "silent" and they are the "majority". There, was that so difficult?

Agree, reminds me of the feller in 12 Angry Men who keeps changing his mind with every argument.

I also don't (and never have) understood a 'don't know' when the question is 'this or that?' (ie: Moyes will sign – THIS. Or he won't sign – THAT)

I DO understand a "don't know..right this second, give me ten minutes"

I just don't understand a "don't know now and I won't know in a week".

It's basically choose one thing or the other – in the context, I don't get 'don't know'.

It puts your whole premise in the bin I guess but I imagine prior to xmas his stock would have risen but as Colin Wainwright points out it's gone tits up again hence we're back to 5 yrs ago.

Lets hope Moyes isn't here for another 5 yrs eh? imagine this type of muddled attempt at garnering support every 5 yrs .... oh dear!

You are basing a poll on the number of contributors you have to this site.

Every time I read of polls they say things like 78% thought Anchor butter was best.
But how many are polled ???????

This article is nonsensical and does not represent the views of EVERY fan.

If you ran a continual poll through a couple of months the poll would fluctuate depending on whatever influences the voters, a good result or a bad one.

The poll should be taken at the end of a season when day to day fluctuations are less likely and the question itself should relate to the performance over the previous season(s) at least it would be a little more solid in outcome!

You just seem to be saying stuff without thinking it through - are you ok?

If it were to swing the other way would it invalidate this presumptuous nonsense?

"after the last two very difficult years in particular, you have to wonder why the "Moyes Out" message is apparently falling on such stony ground?"

Are you trying to convert the heathens? You could equally state that about the IMWT message, but regardless I don't think anyone else treats their view as dogma.

The trick is having a broad enough representation of views from different types of voter and the number of voters used in the sample. (that's why telephone polls are used)

Would be interesting to cross reference the fluctuations by date and the events that caused the changes.

Never took off... never took off..

I clouded the issue where by the moral-o-meter could be run in tandem with itself. One for the MOBs, one for the IMWTs.

I quote the response from Michael:

"Erm... no."

Five times daily.

My feeling for what its worth is that yesterday only papered over the cracks. Moyes has done this type of thing before then reverts to type shortly after.

Moyes has a good record with some weaknesses which we all know about. The core of the problem remains funding. We won't become regular contenders without it, regardless of who is in charge. I can't prove that but no one has actually managed it.

I think he's gone in the summer and a new face will be interesting. if he stays it is likely to be because of funding. If , somehow, that becomes available then we really are in for a ride. Id love to see what happens with a decent budget. Otherwise we face being also-rans again........ad infinitum.

I hope that a new owner is found quickly who will give our manager money to compete and I am talking £25 million a year plus anything he sells. Then I have no doubt that we will be in the top four. Moyes deserves an owner who can back him and if its not us who can do that then he is right to leave. I rate Moyes as good as any manager we have had considering what little he has had to spend and that is going back to Carey.

Now, what do we learn from this? About as much as we do from a slice of Andrew Rawnsley political analysis in The Observer.

I think the majority of Goodison wanted him gone after the Wigan game.

He also has 75% of the club's entire revenue to spend on wages- with his good self being the top earner. So I wouldn't say he is exactly a pauper when you see the likes of Fellaini on £75k a week.

You may also want to take into consideration he is just waiting for a better offer, if that doesn't materialise, he may grace us with his presence next season. If that was a player, I am fairly sure you would be as graceful about him leaving.

I hereby officially give up on this thread!

Trouble is, the Moyes and Kenwright supporters (aka Doddy & Co) cannot see any wrong in what they do and are willing to accept mediocrity and lies as long as we keep our Prem status.

Proof please. Prove it. What an absolutely pathetic statement. Are the 'moaners' not 'match going people'? Define for me match-going people please. Every home game a season, 14, 11, 4, 2, 1? For instance, I live in Chicago and by the end of this season I will tot up 4 home games and 2 away games. Am I 'a match going' person in your book?

Absurd statement. My hunch is that a fair proportion of toffeewebbers are, like me, exiled scousers. We go when we can. I've spent more on supporting Everton this season than you have Brian – 5 flights – does that make me a better fan than you or more entitled to opine or want Moyes out (as I dearly do)? No, of course it does not.

Silly silly, silly, those exiled scousers get to see more matches than you, by the way, as every single prem game is on the box over here at any rate,

Oh, another thought, are Evertonians on the dole or shit wages who simply cannot afford to go the game, predisposed to be 'moaners' as well? Silliness, silliness, a sad post.

46% may not be an absolute majority but it is a relative majority.

Nick, I'd see if the local constabulary are interested in your 'moral-o-meter' (#348) since TW have turned it down (may have been worried about their public responsibility in the event of very low readings). ;)

So, "be careful what you wish for " plays to relegation fears. Is it Moyes and safety, or change and relegation, disaster the end of Everton, a new Leeds, Portsmouth all mover again, the MOB eating their words.

How about another choice? A new coach, some decent football, less fear, a decent cup run and , maybe a trophy?

I think Mucha showcased his potential and could go given his lack of games and Moyes will bring Howard straight back in regardless of his form. I reckon a new manager will want a bit of a clear-out and try and bring the average playing age of the team down. Some of the fringe players could go and that includes Vellios and Magaye. I reckon HIbbert and Neville may retire but you never know.

We bought a young right back who will now rot in the reserves and probably go out on loan and end up being released. As for young Duffy he must be thinking his football future is elsewhere given his complete lack of opportunity this season. For me, eleven years of David Moyes is enough and its time to change.

Michael and co have a clear editorial stance, which is their right, but that does encourage a one-sided view when it comes to discussion. It all gets a little bit wearing if I'm honest, like watching Fox News with the "Moyes Out" lot as Republicans and the "Pro Moyes" lot seen as the laughing stock Democrats. Hardly an encouraging forum for open debate.

However, is he, am I, or are we (on TW) in the majority... probably not.

Does that mean everyone should toe the line and continue to live out Einstein's definition of insanity? No.

I am in the corner of "it is time for change" and a change of manager will up the anti for Kenwright to get his finger out.

We should all be grateful for what Moyes has done for the club and raising the expectations of Evertonians, but he is too negative a coach for me and I am fed up with the tactics he employs.

Moyes,do not forget knows a hell of a lot more than all us lot in regards players moving on and finances etc etc..
In saying all of this...football is a funny old game and I would not be surprised if Everton go to the wire for 4th!...

We win against city and suddenly the moyes supporters have climbed out of the woodwork, even those who where calling for his head..have hypocritically and not surprisingly changed their minds.

For the Blues to be successful again, he simply must go. We pay a lot of money to watch our team week and and week out, and is always the case agains the big teams at home, we hold our own...what will it be against stoke when I have a feeling they will hold us to a draw, or if we go to spurs and end up beaten there, I wonder what will happen when we finish below the shite, and stuck in 8th or so? The moyes lovers will declare it a fantastic achievement.

if he signs a new contract..the shite across the park will be cheering from the rafters.

My season ticket will be renewed after Moyes as gone, if he doesn't then there are other teams in spain to follow..fickle ? no..just tired of the same unambitious shite every single season under this idiot of a manager. Until he goes we'll continue to win nothing, and season tickets will continue to be worth a third of their value..early bird? hahaha do one moyes and take the board with you, I hear preston want you back..not that you have any skills to get them promoted as proven in the past lol

"I wonder what will happen when we finish below the shite" - Nil Satis eh Frida?, Optimism not your strong point then?

"My season ticket will be renewed after Moyes as gone, if he doesn't then there are other teams in spain to follow..fickle ?" I think you will find the answer to that question is actually yes....Teams in Spain to follow......You couldn't write this shit....hang on! your just did.

" I hear preston want you back..not that you have any skills to get them promoted as proven in the past lol" - You really need to do you homework Frida, check our 1999.... something about promotion...

We don't need a new manager the sake of it, we need it to move on; all we've been doing over the past 3 or 4 years is going backwards. Bad tactics, idiotic decisions, the same old shit favourites week in and out, while there are kids on the bench chomping at the bit, despite OAPs having bad weeks... and the football on the pitch is at times abysmal.

Mediocrity and whining about lack of finances, and yet some people forget the role a manager is supposed to take. Failing to win against shit teams, like Leeds, Wigan – and let's not forget the mighty shit Tranmere and Shrewsbury and others – underlines the ineptitude of this manager.

We go into Europe next year and you know exactly what will happen. He is not ambitious, he is sitting on a huge paycheck to win us nothing but mediocrity, because 11 years says he is incapable of winning us anything. He's first manager in our history over the length of his tenure we have won nothing... but some of the worst results this club as ever seen.

I don't have ambition under this manager because he drained it away from me over the years.

Nil satis nisi optimum used to mean something... sad how it's turned into bunch of words under this manager and board.

I just want them all gone: I love Everton – not the idiots running it.

Some posts really don't need a reply, Frida (Jimmy) has been posting this nonsense for a couple of weeks now. Although the fantasy world of the author now extends to being a season ticket holder.

My season ticket will be renewed after Moyes as gone, if he doesn't then there are other teams in spain to follow..fickle ? no..just tired of the same unambitious shite every single season under this idiot of a manager".

Fickle? Yes. I don't think I'm allowed on this site to say somebody is not a true supporter. But it seems your support might not be true.

And Moyes' followers should go with him? Give me a break.

"I know what we have to work with and I know the boundaries of where we can go. I know the restraints that we’ve got at the football club. I’m the one who actually knows that and maybe the football supporters don’t know all these things.

“You could say we’ve only ever been good in the last seven or eight years for one half of the season so why would you suddenly expect something to be dramatically different?

Many of us understand and appreciate the job that DM has done for Everton FC under extremely difficult circumstances, but it is his failure to understand the fans ambitions that undermines his popularity.

Maybe all of those prophets of doom are correct in their assertion that Everton FC will crumble under any other manager than David Moyes, I don't necessarily subscribe to that viewpoint, but I am like most Blues fans extremely concerned about the financial predicament the club finds itself in, and a Chairman who cries because we have gained 3 points at home shows how much he relies upon one person to keep the club going.

Forget CL forget Europe, we have already overachieved due to being in the Premier League once again next season, well that seems to be the message that DM is broadcasting anyway.

I don't think Naismith is a bad player but it will take time to adjust to playing more difficult games than he has been used to. I say give the lad time to adjust.

Harry "triffic" Redknapp was on the verge of dropping Mr Bale a few years ago or selling him at Spurs, but his form picked up, and the rest is history. You never know, give Naismith time and we might reap the benefits in future.

Please tell me how, with our resources, you think that will improve without Moyes? Moyes will go and good luck to him – but I'll be sad to see him go and fearful for our future.

The truth is we can't move on as long as BK is here and I reckon the only way pressure will come is if Moyes leaves and things at the club deteriorate then the fans who adore Moyes will turn on Bill. It's the only way I can see for Bill to get what he deserves from the fans. So we must lose Moyes and then turn on BK otherwise suck it up and listen to the BS flow.

He is a good Blue though,he was overcome with emotion at the final whistle.
It must have really got to him,he had to wipe both eyes when it is normally one.

I think the fans will turn on Bill simply because Moyes has left, regardless of what happens next.
It is blatantly obvious to everyone why he will leave.

Remember, some of these fans still believe that we will buy this player or that player during every transfer window.

I think most people except those with a vehement hatred of Moyes would have liked to what he could have done with money. But he's never going to have a significant amount of money because Kenwright let's his ego swell the moment things go well or even remain stagnant. All the crap over potential investors could go on and on - although I really can't be arsed to have yet another circular argument as to "why would investor not come out and say...".

I've always felt that nothing will change with Kenwright at the helm. Kenwright won't go unless he has to, which is a shame. So Moyes has to go to force any change... but maybe, just maybe with a new manager we might see an improvement, Kenwright will get bought out and we might actually start a new, better chapter.

The soap opera continues and there are not many script writers out there who would come up with so many scenarios that all seem possible but highly improbable, but this is Bill Kenwright's Everton.

My apologies if my point wasn't clear.

All we ever hear from you is how bad a manager Moyes is. How's about spending the same time and effort slagging Kenwright and his cronies off — who are the main reason for our static progress? Moyes has his faults but has never had the backing of our board to show if he really can take the club forward.

If Naismith carries on trying, and scores his needed goal, you would hopefully give him more time and patience. Please don't hate him so much as to hound him out after a short time here.

Yes it does'nt help him playing out of position but he just isn't a good enough for this level. Even when he did play in his correct position against Leeds Utd in the cup, he was absolutely dire — same as he's been all season!

Besides I have a terrible forboding that no-one will take him off our hands and he'll sign one of those spoof rolling contracts with him and Kenwright pretending it shows commitment.

'If, after 29 games, Everton obtain 11 points more than the equivalent time last season, are you either: A) encouraged...B) Even angrier...?'

If after the first 29 games we had collected one less point than the same 29 fixtures last season, you are either ?

Don't be lied to by 11 points better, we played our "easy" fixtures at the end of last season but at the start of this.

Last season we lost a home to Liverpool, and again at the Etihad. We drew the corresponding fixtures this season.

We lost at home to Man.Utd last season, and won this years fixture.

There's five points of the 11 points gained from last year..

Arsenal, Spurs, Liverpool and Chelsea away we lost whilst getting a draw at Sunderland.
Stoke and QPR we lost but beat Fulham at Goodison.

Last season we also lost at home to Arsenal, but drew at Goodison this season.

So there you have it, Phil.

A directly-commensurate 6 point gain in "easy games," against Man.Utd/ Man.City/ Arsenal & Liverpool.

I would answer: D) Big picture. Eleven point gain.

we had taken 27 points at Goodison and 22 points away giving a total of 49 points

Whilst this season from these fixtures we have taken 30 points at home and 18 points away giving our current total of 48.

Most of the posters on here seem to think Moyes is holding the Club to ransom over a pay rise for himself. No doubt BB will perpetuate the myth when Moyes walks and turn him into the whipping boy and will be warmly clapped when his mug is shown on the big screen.

Team W D L W D L Pts Tot 11-12 12-13 +/-
ARSENAL 2 1 2 1 1 2 11 70 59 50 -9
TOTTENHAM 3 0 1 1 2 1 14 69 55 54 -1
EVERTON 2 0 2 0 1 4 7 56 49 48 -1
CHELSEA 3 1 0 2 1 2 17 64 47 55 8
LIVERPOOL 4 0 0 1 0 3 15 52 37 45 8

When comparison is made with this seasons outstanding fixtures it doesn't bode well for the Blues as we only took a measly 7 points from the same fixtures last year. Chelsea took the most points with 17. We can surely improve on the single point we took from the corresponding away games can't we?

Way to go! I mean that's what we really want to challenge for Top 4 football. A big lump who charges around barging into the opposition whilst the ball bounces off him. Straq tried hard no doubt seemed a decent lad but ultimately was clearly not good enough for the Premier League. He was let go on a free by Tigre and is now back playing in the Argentina Primera.
Leon Osman on the other hand is currently training with the England squad. Go figure.

I think that the 40% who think Moyes is holding the club to ransom are already against the board.

I'm hoping the other 40%, the pro Moyes fans, will join in on his departure. After that, the don't know's will know.

Excuse me for not accepting your 'reality'. No-one knows what a new manager will bring, we can all have a view. What we do know is he will have to work on an uneven financial playing field in trying to break into the Top 4. What is also fairly clear is that Moyes will probably get us between 5th and 8th based on the last seven seasons.

So what you basically have is more of the same, ie, relative PL security or what is effectively a roll of the dice. Should we not achieve Top 4 this year I think the risk is worth taking.

Of course in reality there is not a snowball's chance in hell of Kenwright taking that gamble so the irony is that it will be David Moyes who will make the decision. I suspect he is pretty fed up of the situation and if a better offer comes along he will be gone, and I for one wouldn't blame him if he did.

131. Shit.

But as you're approaching double figures on this thread yourself... no better man to answer!

Funny that's a point that struck me. 5,500 votes and yet every time I visit Toffeeweb I know most of the names (sad, I know... but that's a different thread/website entirely) but if you look at the numbers for any poll on TW, it's nearly always in the thousands. I suppose not everyone wants the limelight of posting?

Despite that, some people would want us to believe that Moyes is tactically inept, cowardly and weak when it comes to making decisions.

Our year-on-year league positions don't support this fantasy. The competitiveness of the team is better than anything since the late 60s (apart from 3 or 4 years in the 80s with HK Mk1) and all of this in a period when we have been financially hamstrung in comparison with many other teams.

But don't let that get in the way of thinking that there is someone out there who will do a better job with the same resources – I mean, it's logical isn't it?