If they´re old enough, they´re good enough. If they´re not good enough, they´re not good enough and won't play.

Nah, doesn't sound right. Moyes is an arro....................[random, incredibly spun Moyes criticism.....Fact!]

Clearly we need to bring on the younger players, but any idiot can say "why not give Duffy a chance" when we play Stoke? Moyes will go with his tried and tested and only when he sees the opportunity will he blood those waiting for the time to show what they can do.

In my view Moyes has come to believe that keeping Everton safe. but with some hope, equals success. Given our financial situation I can see that as a reasonable stance, but one with which I disagree, If the usual faces can achieve the Moyes aim then I can see why Moyes may be disinclined to try young players.

That's why, Tony, I believe that Jimmy makes an argument that cannot be dismissed as readily as you wish to.

Ian #000. I think that playing Duffy against Stoke makes perfect sense.

We are outsiders looking at the matches, our opinion and analysis of players only come from watching the games.

Moyes, as well as having loads of coaches giving him advice, watches them train, as well as communicating with the players so he knows their attitude etc.

So if these youngsters are good enough, Moyes will play them. How can you say that no youngsters in the team suggest Moyes has gone backwards is ridiculous. How can that say such a thing?

Look at his tactics, that's part of his limitations. Just as his transfer policies and man management is his good things.

" I honestly can't remember the last major mistake Phill Neville made since that one which cost England against Romania about 15 years ago. "
Wigan?

For instance, having watched Seamus I could see that he was good going forward but weak defensively. I would then pull him out of the first team and only bring him back in when he had improved this side of his game.

Of course Moyes wouldn't do this, it's just a coincidence that Seamus looks the real deal now.

A: When he unscrewed the stabilisers from his child's bike.

All I can say in his defence is that Rooney and Vaughan came through when Everton were a far worse side than we are now. In instances where other youngsters like Baxter, Barkley etc have played it has been when the squad has not been ready for the start of the season - a fault of the board.

Recently he agreed a deal which could rise to £3 million for 18-year-old John Stones. I doubt Moyes would have concluded that deal if he had no intention of ever using John Stones.

And John Stones is not the only young player Moyes has taken to Everton recently. You can add George Green, Matthew Kennedy, Luke Garbutt and Francisco Junior to the list. I'm sure Moyes has brought all those players to Everton with an eye to the first team at some stage.

No I believe Moyes wants to use young players and his transfer dealings back that up. The problem seems to be that the young players seem incapable of reaching the level of a Top 6 Premier League side and invariably get released to the lower leagues (Orenuga, Jutkiewicz).

I've no doubt Moyes has high ambitions for George Green, John Stones and Matthew Kennedy and fully hopes to make them first team regulars and nobody will be more disappointed then Moyes if they fail to make the grade.

I feel that if Green, Stones, Kennedy, Barkley or even Duffy step up and show signs of being good enough for a Top 6 Premier League side then Moyes will be delighted to start playing them regularly.

But with so much at stake on every league position and every single game, Moyes cannot afford to take many chances on players that simply are not good enough for the first team.

Remember Moyes gave a chance to Gueye and Junior this season in the League Cup against Leeds and we all will have nightmares about that game for a while.

If I were Barkley or Vellios and couldn't force my way into a team that was starting Osman and Anichebe, I would demand a transfer now.

When Moyes is sure that a Euro place is out of reach, then he may start the benchwarmers and that may only be in the last couple of games of the season... Roll on Summer!

Look, Moyes has his shortcomings but he's damned if he does and damned if he doesn't at times. Barkley started last season but clearly wasn't quite ready so has enjoyed some loan spells – a sensible option. As for blooding youngsters now because all we can hope for is 6th/7th – are you serious? The 'Moyes has given up on the season, it's a disgrace' moaning on here if that happened would be intolerable.

I think Moyes should be criticised at times, I really do but let's criticise him for the things he deserves to be criticised for.

We all have opinions and mine is that Barkley isn"t ready yet; Velios isn't as good as Anihebe and a misfiring Jelavic; Duffy hasn't played a minute of Premier League football this year and posters want him to come in against the ex-England forward Crouch, Huth and the other yard dogs.

So let's change a defence that has had its first clean sheet for ages, against the reigning Champs no less, and hope it's not too much of a punt putting a kid in against the seasoned pro/yard dogs. Brilliant managing that, all down to emotion, no logic behind it... but he's tall, I hear you shout; so was Titus Bramble.

Now I know many don't agree but that is about par for the course in bringing kids through, unless you have unusual circumstances like happened at Man Utd some years back.

Villa are currently playing a group of kids, although I think this is more to do with wanting to offload some senior pros on large pay packets, but whatever the reason they are really struggling.

He was a breath of fresh air and put bums on seats...

Don't buy a first team squad, ....where to start? Cantona, Keane, Andy Cole, Ole Solskjaer, Cruyff, Sheringham, Berg, Yorke, Blomqvist, Stamm, Barthez, Silvestre, Forlan, Veron, Nistelrooy, Ferdinand, Heinze, Smith, Saha, Ronaldo, Kleberson, Djemba-Djemba, Howard, Rooney, Vidic, Evra, Sung Park, Van Der Sar, Carrick, Tevez, Hargreaves, Nani, Kuszczak the Da Silvas, Berbatov, Valencia, Bebe, Hernandez, Smalling, De Gea, Jones, Young, Van Persie, Kagawa, Powell...

No other manager has been at the same club anywhere near as long either, Doddy... What exactly is your point? Shouldn't we give Pulis another 4+ years to see if he can unearth someone who was born in Stoke, lived within walking distance from the ground, and was bred as a Stoke City fan first — and is as good as Rooney was?

(Rooney was already on the books under Walter Smith!!! No genius needed to see how good he was.)

I firmly believe if we were still in the bottom half every season that Barkley would be in the first team now. It's much easier to drop Pembridge for Barkley than it would be to drop Fellaini (extreme example).

Too many just dismiss without really thinking about it. Is this how Everton are going to survive, by only BUYING outside talent and first team players. It simply can not be done with our finances.

One fact that cannot be argued with is that we are skint and have been for many many years. When you couple this fact with the well worn mantra of us having one of the best youth academies in the country, you do have to question why it is that we have so few youngsters coming through into the team - not just now but over a number of years. Given the parlous state of our finances, you would have expected us to bring more of our own players through so as to save on transfer fees and maybe generate funds from future sales - this should really have been near the top of any 'plan' the club has in place.

In the 11 years that Moyes has been in charge, (Rooney aside as he is/was a one off - and his youth development happened pre Moyes anyway), I can only think of Rodwell as a player of any note who (when fit) got a regular run in the 1st team. We got very good money for Rodwell and that was a massive plus as it basically paid for Mirralas's transfer fee and wages. (I don't count Anichebe as he's never been a 1st team regular starter and for me is not premiership material anyway - he's now 25 and supposedly at his peak but would struggle to get into any other team in the premiership. Moyes gave Ossie his debut and deserves some credit there, although again his youth development happened before Moyes came to the club. Hibbo was already in the team before Moyes came).

Dont get me wrong, I don't expect us to be producing a rooney or rodwell every year, but I would have expected us to be able to produce at least one player every 2-3 years who was good enough for a regular place in the first team. They don't have to start every game but at least play/start regulary. Rodwell is the only player in recent years who has started regulary, having come thruogh our youth system since Ossie - Ossie made his debut in 2003 so thats basically one plyer in the last 10 years that we've managed! That is simply appalling whichever way you look at it.

Regardless of whether the likes of Duffy, Macaleny, Barkely, Vellios etc are good enough or not - there is something obviously not working in the youth set up at Everton. Whether that is Moyes' fault, a lack of funding for the academy, our scouts being shite or our youth coaches being shite, I have no idea. Maybe a combination of all the above.

However, you do have to question things like how on earth Macfadden got game time ahead of the likes of Macaleny and Barkely? Why when we were 4.0 (4.1?) up against Cheltenham, did Moyes decide to bring on the old pros instead of giving the youngsters on the bencha a run out? These examples would suggest that (for whatever reason) he simply does not trust the youth (even against non league opposition!) and only tends to play them when forced to through injury or suspensions.

Duffy did great in the 4 games he played back to back last year when we had injuries - has not gotten a sniff this season. Macaleny looked useful in his 10 minute cameo against Arsenal a year or two ago - has he even played since?. Barkely discussed to death etc etc.

Also kind of makes it a bit of a joke when we hear that the regular pros a 'tired' and 'need a break' when we don't use our youngsters to give them the break they supposedly need.

First and foremost it's a results business and DM/BK won't sacrifice another position up the Premier ladder in exchange for blooding youngsters. Shame, but that's the reality of it.

Just to add to the scouting side of things... Remember Chelsea made a dead smart (chess/Russian/kgb like) move and bought our chief scout Mick Docherty, the guy who discovered most of our best (famous) players/youth talent, from under our noses?

So you can now wonder how our academy will fare in the future.

Arsenal: Wishere
Man Utd: Cleverley
Chelsea: Bertrand – can't get a game
Man City: ???
Liverpool: Sterling – can't now get a game (is he ready, à la Barkley et al??)
Spurs: ???
Villa: yes, but look where they are

Not that many then?

Moyes is not out of sync here – all these teams buy in or play experienced pros. They have one thing in common with Moyes: Managers know their players and their capabilities at the highest levels.

Everton can only bring through youngsters who are at the club, we have to get them to join us and most importantly, they have to have "it", unfortunately the ones we have at the moment don't have enough of "it" to get into the first team.

Gosling: Can't even make the bench at the French Legion; Rodwell: Injury problems have ruined his career.

Barkley is a good player but is he the finished article? Not yet. We have only seen him in some games playing for about 15 minutes. Is a quarter-of-an-hour enough to gain attention from a manager? I don't think so. Also, Moyes sticks with the players that have served him well in the last 4 or 5 seasons, but unfortunately most of them have been burnt out (Osman, Neville).

We can wax lyrical about producing youngsters but if they're not good enough they won't be used. Simple. I am actually going to do the unthinkable and defend Moyes here, but, if the youth players aren't good enough, is he going to use them?

I cannot think if any examples. Baxter is doing well at Oldham, fair play to him but he has got a long way to go before we can say definitively that Moyes should have given him more chances.

Ruddy springs to mind but he was never going to displace our Number 24.
Rodwell, was going backwards with us and has done no better at Man City.
Rooney, we had no choice but to sell,
Gosling... shit,
Baxter, plays for Oldham...

In fact, I'd like to see the teams above us that have brought youngsters through that they haven't spent a shitload of money on when they were 19, 20.

That is why the moneyed clubs buy the best youth players and loan them out in the premiership or other top leagues (e.g. Lukaku, De Bruyne, Fabio, Miyachi etc).

Look at how Coleman developed at Blackpool and still wasn't ready for a regular spot. Any of our better youths who left with the exception of Rooney and Rodwell (both of whom were identified as outstanding at a very young age) are playing in the lower leagues.

The only reason SAF plays so many young players is he buys the best youth players in. Man Utd do not develop that many from a young age they poach them from other clubs.

How many of us wrote Big Vic off as useless? So don't you think it's a bit hypocritical to criticise Moyesy when he has actually persisted and developed a young player who most supporters wanted rid off at any price.

Wilshere? Debatable,
Oxlade-Chamberlain? Again debatable.

I am starting to struggle now...

Phil Neville hasn't covered himself in glory in the midfield role so was it not possible to try Barkley?

When Oviedo started against Norwich at home he was excellent, could he not be given a run out instead of Naismith?

The same could be said with Moyes persevering with Jelavic. If it wasn't working how about McAleny or Vellios?

If we just gave the younger lads a chance now and again, make them more hungry to get in the first team more regularly it may not make them massive stars but it may make them far better players that can benefit the team and the Club..

The thing is though, having the likes of Duffy wasting away in the reserves does nothing, either for the club or the player. Send him out on loan to get game time or play him ourselves, but don't sit on your hands and do nothing.

It's just going against all logic to suggest that he has a fear of "young" players, who apparently are excellent players but Moyes chooses to ignore them. Why would he purposely weaken his team? The MOB would have you believe it's because he's arrogant, inept etc, but the truth must be that they simply aren't good enough...... yet!

How can you criticise Moyes for Anichebe's attitude? You want Moyes to be a psychic now? Anichebe is his own man.

Chris above is spot on. There's plenty to criticise Moyes about, but youngsters isn't one of them.

The best young player Everton ever produced was treated like a dog by Moyes. Rooney couldn't wait to say goodbye to Deadly Dave. Since then, many a young lad has had his career ruined at Everton.

If you think how much Everton, West Ham, Newcastle, Sunderland, Chelsea, Stoke, Liverpool, and Spurs have spent on poaching young players and grooming their own, and how many players have come through in the last 5 years. Think of the size of the clubs, the catchment area that they have and the class of player involved in the youth set up. Think about the commitment parents make with kids training daily.

It isn't working. If my son was lucky enough to have the talent, I'd prefer him to go to a good Football League club. The kids in this country are not given a chance, they play meaningless football, they are paid to fail, and they are coached not to take a risk.

Do you think Coleman would have got to play the number of games he has at right back if Tony Hibbert were fit?

If not, do you think Coleman would have developed into the right-back that he is right now?

I rest my case.

1. I'm not completely sold on Seamus Coleman yet. Sometimes he's great (Man City) and sometimes he's a liability at the back (Wigan). Personally I think Tony Hibbert is a consistently reliable defender and would myself pick a fully fit Hibbert over Coleman sometimes.

2. As for Coleman not developing in the right back he is now ask yourself this question. Where would Seamus Coleman be at all without David Moyes? Nobody had heard of Seamus Coleman before David Moyes signed him. Coleman is a perfect example of Moyes unearthing young potential and turning that potential into a first team regular.

It makes me laugh that you think Moyes is only playing Coleman because he's being forced to do so. The truth is you would have no idea who Seamus Coleman was if it wasn't for David Moyes talent spotting eye.

Moyes on Barkley "What we’re finding is Ross will probably make his mistakes in our first team, which could be costly to the team and the club."

One thing is true, as already pointed out above, whether good enough now or not, sitting on the bench week in week out, knowing they're there just to make up the numbers, is not doing the player or the club any good.

It's doubtful that the youngsters are going to get a sniff the rest of this season, so you've got to ask if Duffy, Vellios, McAleny etc have just wasted a year or actually moved forward? Add Oviedo to that list given he's hardly featured this season so far as well.

You tell me Andy, how do any players "do it" in training? Just because you or another poster is willing Duffy to be this superstar, doesn't make it so. All that is happening is Moyes getting berated for hypotheticals.

John, the suggestion that Moyes simply refuses to play these youngsters, who in some posters minds are Pele incarnate, ...just because! is the suggestion that he purposely weakens his side.

The thing I was concerned about was a number of the England Under-21s are from lower divisions.

A few very interesting views on this topic (Tony Marsh is a funny guy), and I think the top 10 record just made me reflect a lot deeper on what Everton's plan is regarding youngsters.

To me it seems Moyes has no long term plan in place, at least earlier on we heard Moyes talking in detail of him wanting to reduce the overall age of his squad. Today there is no such plan, we seem to be drifting towards and older squad and that has to be dealt with somehow.

I agree that we should only try a couple youngsters at a time, as I think it would imbalance the quality of the squad too much to do what Aston Villa currently is doing.

The bottom line is we all want what is best for this club long term, with or without Moyes. Also, I would like to wish all fellow Evertonians a Happy Easter!

Why does a player need to be "spectacular" in training to impress? Moyes is a Premier League manager and an ex centre-half so it's reasonable to assume he understands the role and can see how well or how badly a centre-half is doing in training.

Tony Marsh,

Can you give some examples of young players who have had their careers ruined by Everton under Moyes?

You are right that this is ALL hypothetical, but the suggestion that the manager may tend to be over cautious when given the choice of trying a youngster instead of one of his most trusted players is not irrational.

What the manager sees in training may be largely irrelevant unless the differences in performance are acute, if he is MORE worried about the effects of pressure in a competitive game.

You don't know the manager's mind any more than anyone else, so you can't simply state that they are not doing it in training, just that it is not an obvious choice for the manager.

The implication that they can't be matching the established players in training because then they would be getting regular game time is far from being established fact.

A surprising number of people believe that, which I find shocking.

The only thing Moyes could do more is give these guys more playing time from the bench. But I really don't think any of them are ready to start.

My real gripe with Moyes at the moment will be shown if Oviedo does not play on Saturday.

Fergie's only just allowed Cleverly into the first team. He even sold off Ravel Morison in favour of keeping Scholes and Giggs. That Golden generation was a long time ago, he hasn't trusted many since.

Moyes has been very good for giving youngsters a taste of the first team. We've seen lots come through and get a meaningful slice of Premier League action at a young age. This isn't enough for some people on here though of course. They should be playing for a big chunk of the season.

Look around the league: barely anyone is doing this (perhaps apart from Villa, care to swap?) yet once again the normalities of run- of-the-mill football management is twisted to look like some sort of disease unique only to Moyes. Our best young player has been bounced around Sheffield and Leeds without setting anything on fire yet we think he deserves a run in the first team at the expense of players who have had us up and around the top 4 all season. Why would Moyes do this?

For the last time, Barkley does not play the same position as Neville. If Gibson isn't fit, Neville plays and if not him then Hitzlsperger, welcome to the sparcity of our squad in that position. You couldn't just put Osman and Barkley together and Barkley is not going to move Osman out the team yet so he's on the bench. He'll be good one day but, like with Coleman and Anichebe, why can't people trust Moyes with their development?

Has any kid gone on to somewhere else and realised he was being held back by us? (Rooney was sold upwards and got his games towards the end anyway.) Most are now in the lower leagues; some, like Gosling, probably wish they'd listened to Moyes.

Say, wrestle two players to the ground at a practice corner defence instead of one? Show that he is the fittest man in the world? How does a defender, who has played well in every first team opportunity he has had, prove himself in training?

The approach of Ferguson with young players is a million miles from Moyes's approach but then again his footballing and managerial philosophy in general is the opposite of Moyes.

As for it not being possible for top sides to have young players coming up through the ranks and making it; have a look at Barecelona's team/squad from a few years ago, lots of talent developed through their youth system.

The simple truth is a kid very seldom pops up and sets the world on fire; if they do, it wouldn't be at Goodison Park – it would be elsewhere and probably scouted and paid for.

I don't buy into this "every kid has to be another Pele or Maradonna to oust older squad players"; they just have to gradually become better. If we got hold of another Rooney, he'd be whored out quick as a flash anyway.

Hardly any of the players Moyes lets go look even Premier League class let alone better. Fact is, they haven't been good enough.

I would love to see more youth players get chances but not at the risk of derailing any potential challenge for Europe.

If a defender can impress in games then they can do the same in training. Moyes clearly saw an improvement in Coleman's defending, for example. If your last paragraph shows the extent of your understanding of defending then it's all the more baffling why you continuously champion Duffy for a starting role.

It doesn't need to be spectacular (wouldn't Moyes coach that out of him anyway?) Maybe Moyes sees flaws his his game that you or I don't. Maybe he doesn't trust him. Who knows. What I can tell you with absolute certainty is that the reason for Duffy not starting isn't that he doesn't beat three men and score in a 5-a-side game.

He had some hopes for Barkley, Lundstram, Browning and Springthorpe making the breakthrough, this or next season. No mention of Duffy who I just can't see making it if you look at the number of mistakes he makes in the U21 games.

Ferguson has had the luxury of sending his better kids out – Scholes, Beckham from years ago to Cleverley, Wellbeck recently for season long loans at PL or Championship clubs, where they learn what it is all about at the Top levels – we don't have that luxury. Our kids are kept back for emergency use only.

Why haven't we got the luxury of sending our kids out on loan for a year? It's quite simple really, we send them out on loan, then if we need them in an emergency, we recall them from their loan. Just because a player is loaned out, it doesn't mean we can't recall them, it depends whether there is the right to recall the player in a agreement between two clubs.

If a lot more of our young players were sent out on loan to Championship or League 1 teams, they would benefit so much more than playing in the Under 21s. Young players really need a taste of what it's like to play competitive football. I would really like the likes of Barkley, Junior, and Duffy to play more in the first team, but they never seem to get a sniff, so the next best thing is to send them out on loan for a year.

I don't like the way Moyes sends a player out on loan for 1 or 2 months at a time, a player can't settle into regular football with another team in such a short space of time. We need to manage our youth much better.

So according to Irvine, it seems that Duffy won't make it, yet the FM posters on here are suggesting that we should drop Heitinga for him???

Gavin, I recently had some visitors and took them to a very expensive restaurant in London. I ordered steak, which was a little overdone for me. I also found that it took a while to be seated, the staff were courteous but not radiant and the wine was overpriced for the quality. This was the third time I'd been to the restaurant and the second time that I'd left feeling a tad underwhelmed.

By your logic should I just go to Wetherspoon's next time, because it can't possibly be any worse than the other restaurant? Or perhaps, if those are the only two options, the other restaurant – for all it's faults – would still be the better option.

He tried some kids at Leeds in the League Cup and it completely backfired on him and from there it's been tried and trusted players only. You might also argue that we are still within a good shout of at least Europa Cup next season and again he will not try the kids out as he chases our last target.

My own views are that he should have given some kids the odd 30 mins here and there, not the usual 5 mins were you actually learn bugger all. I also believe that the best prospect this season was Barkley but, if you actually watch the reserve videos, he doesn't play midfield, he plays just behind the striker. He isn't going to challenge Fellaini for that role – at least not this year. Barkley just doesn't work hard enough to play in midfield. I think Lundstram has a better chance and also just maybe McAleny who's scoring goals for fun at the moment and is overshadowing Vellios completely.

You don't mind if I pay you the Everton way though? Say, 50p up front, £1 a year for the rest of your life plus £50 if you become the restaurant reviewer for The Times?

Moyes's attitude to young players stinks and the guy is a hypocrite. If you are Heitinga you can make mistakes aplenty with goals conceded left, right and centre but if you are young player and you make a mistake you are hauled off, publicly admonished and don't get another chance for months!

My point is that virtually every player on the books played every week so could be scrutinized properly. Nowadays, when a player returns from injury, he sits on the bench and is gradually introduced back into the team. We need seven bench warmers each week!!!!

While we have an outside chance of Europe there will be no chances taken on team selection. I honestly believe that Duffy has not shown enough to warrant a first team place and that is why he is considering his future. He may well get a contract at a club in a lower division and that may well be his level of ability.

I have said before that, if Heitinga is preferred, then Duffy must consider a career move. How many youngsters have we sold or released that are playing better than they were with us? Only Rooney has a regular Premier League place!! Nuff said!

Duffy is looking like he is moving on, Barkley in my opinion will move on as he cannot get a chance. The list seems endless.

All really we can look at is Rooney, James Vaughan, and big Victor — no others have made the top grade.

So really in 11 years he record is D- must do better, hopefully at another club.

What about Jack Rodwell? He got a big money move to the Champions which might suggest he made the Top Grade.

And your forgetting two players who Moyes introduced as youngsters and have now gone on to become Everton legends.

Leon Osman & Tony Hibbert. Both were just kids when Moyes took over at Everton and both have developed into great players. Osman now plays for England. I think they made the grade.

Rodwell plays reasonably regularly if you consider his injury issues and the fact that he joined a team with one of the strongest squads in europe. He gets CL games so city can't think he's that shit.

Trevor, when duffy has played for the first team he was our best defender. He hasn't been given the opportunity to show his talents, but left to waste away in the reserves. Same for Barkley, Vellios, McAleny etc.

Some or all of these kids may genuinely not be good enough for the premier league but all have shown enough effort and talent in the short spells they've been given to warrant more game time, especially when you consider the highly error prone Heitinga and Neville who are often keeping them out of the team.

Another case in point is Mucha, not a youngster, but not a Moyes favourite either. He's played very well when given an opportunity recently, and as a supporter I'm more confident in him than Howard, yet none of us would have seen him play without Howards recent injury

I love youth football almost as much as the professional level, but I do think people overreact about these issues. The youngsters are particularly young. I know that sounds a little stupid, but they're mainly around the 18/19 mark – few of them between 20-23 where players normally start to establish themselves in the first team. I think the grievances are exacerbated since Rodwell has gone so there's no constant in the team. But if be willing to put money on several youngsters staking a serious claim in the next 2 seasons – Duffy, Barkley, Francisco and McAleny mainly. Garbutt is unlucky that we have an incredible left back in his way (the same problem Baines has had with England).

Others such as Lundstram, Kennedy, Grant, Hope and Hammar seem to have a good chance too. I'm not sure about Vellios – never been convinced but he too might make it. I think our youth team will be the envy of our peers in time to come, if not ill be frankly distraught.

Exactly what I've been saying for weeks. He has been holding the club to ransom for 3 months now, thinking he is bigger than the club, and playing 36-year-old Phil Neville and 35-year-old Sylvain Distin when he could play 19-year-old Shane Duffy and 18-year-old Ross Barkley demonstrates that he is clueless. No wonder we are stagnating, our young players must be wondering what they have to do to get a start under this idiot.

If we are to progress further, we need this clueless, inept clown out now.

Moyes Out NOW!!!!

There's a lot to be said for a mix of youth and experience, and Distin at 35 has been our most consistent defender this season.

The average age of Saturday's starting 11 was 28.