Pienaar move still not concluded

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Sky Sports claims that Everton and Tottenham have failed to agree terms for Steven Pienaar, despite lengthy and ongoing talks.

An unnamed source close to the deal is claimed to have told Sky Sports: "There are issues — I understand that the two clubs have failed to agree terms."

As negotiations between Everton and Spurs over the future of Steven Pienaar drag on, Sky are also reporting that Queens Park Rangers and Sunderland have resumed their interest in the South African.

QPR was a realistic destination for the 30 year-old in January but Pienaar, of course, ended up making a successful return to Goodison Park.

The Black Cats, meanwhile, declared their interest earlier in the summer but with Pienaar overwhelmingly preferring to stay on Merseyside, Everton have always been the favourites to land him.

With the Blues about to receive transfer funds from the pending sales of Tim Cahill and Joseph Yobo, Spurs chief Daniel Levy might now looking to increase the pressure on Bill Kenwright to get the deal done by leaking interest from rival clubs to the media.

Pienaar was pictured training away from the rest of the Tottenham squad today along with Luca Modric who is a reported target of Real Madrid.

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Phil Davies
2 Posted 24/07/2012 at 15:55:31
I understand this may be a very disliked opinion, but I think we should move on and look for someone else with the imminent departures of Yobo and Cahill and T.V money coming through next week we should look for someone younger.

Don't get me wrong Pienarr is a great player with a good relationship with Baines but that's not to say if we brought somebody else in they wouldn't be able to play well and link up with baines.

Ged Simpson
3 Posted 24/07/2012 at 16:04:23
All depends what is holding it up. If Piennar - sod him. If Everton - well what else can a poor man do. If Spurs - well I'd expect that from any club to squeeze from the skint. My gut reaction is it is poor negotiating skills from whoever does our deals and I doubt it is done Chair to Chair.
James Morgan
4 Posted 24/07/2012 at 16:02:58
Good point, Phil.
If we can't get him for under 4 million pound then it's worth looking elsewhere, the lad is a top player but he is 30. Surely there are a few players knocking about abroad we can nick for a couple million quid and considerably younger than Pienaar. Granted, we know he is a proven Premier League player but we took a chance on him and can do on others.
Move on and find new targets.
Phil Sammon
5 Posted 24/07/2012 at 16:10:21
I don't understand all the fuss about Pienaar being 30. He easily has another 3-4 years in him. He's a clever footballer, not an explosive one.

As for this story. Well, it's exactly what we all know isn't it. Talks are ongoing. Let's hope it's concluded soon and he's back in an Everton shirt

Danny Broderick
6 Posted 24/07/2012 at 16:20:21
They got him for £2.5 million because he only had 6 months left on his contract. They got him for a song. He was realistically a £10 million player at that point.

Since then, he didn't really do it for them, but he also had a cracking 6 months on loan at us last season. They are not stupid, they are not going to let him come back to us for less than £5 million. They are not a charity. They know that, even if we don't buy him, there will be clubs throughout Europe ready to step in and give them £5 million for him.

Our only hopes are further player sales to be able to get him, or maybe the Sky TV money when that comes through – if it isn't already spoken for. I am not too confident he will end up here...
David Israel
7 Posted 24/07/2012 at 16:27:48
I smell a rat. I wouldn't be surprised if he was suddenly presented to the media at Loftus Road.

It's our usual lack of "arguments" on the transfer front.

Jeremy Benson
8 Posted 24/07/2012 at 16:29:07
I really wish people would stop speculating with comments like "there will be clubs throughout europe who would give them £5 million for him". Its the same type of comment as "yobo should have been sold for £4 million as loads of clubs would have him".

The facts are that the transfer markets are fairly static this year, money is tight. As far as I'm aware/have read, we had no better offers for yobo in the 2 years we were loaning him out, and as far as I'm aware, no-one has yet come in for piennar other than us. I dont remember clubs knocking at our door when he was with us either, apart from when he was in the last year of contract.

So please, lets wait and see what happens. He may or may not come to us. But suggesting that there are loads of clubs prepared to pay good money for players is simply not true.

Si Cooper
9 Posted 24/07/2012 at 16:19:46
I think this all hinges on the money for Yobo and Cahill, and I think the club officials were hoping that we would get enough from those two deals to make this a painless exercise (reference DM's attitude a couple of weeks ago). Unfortunately we may have fallen a little short and are trying to balance the equation by trying to put the squeeze Spurs which will only piss them off.

It would be very embarassing (and could potentially damage the reputation of the club) if we didn't make this move happen, so I think it will still happen even though I agree that £4 - 5 million may be sufficient to chance on a younger player.

Danny Broderick
10 Posted 24/07/2012 at 16:47:14
We'll see Jeremy. I think Pienaar is a far better player than Yobo ever was...
Tom Bowers
11 Posted 24/07/2012 at 16:46:41
I don't think Everton will be bullied into paying more than he is worth at 30 years old. Everton, we know, have to spend wisely and Spurs know full well Everton want him back after his good showing last season.

Somewhere there may be some common ground but, if not, we move forward and either use what we have coming through or check out the waters elsewhere. Pienaar like Timmy is getting older and they may be looking for a big paying contract to see out their remaining years.
Richard Dodd
12 Posted 24/07/2012 at 17:10:01
No sweat, Pienaar will become an Everton player at 23:55 on Friday 31 August 2012!
Keith Glazzard
13 Posted 24/07/2012 at 17:00:03
The 'news', if you can call it that, is that the negotiations are dragging on - continuing - not that they have broken down.

In my book, Pienaar came back a better player than he was when he left us. I suspect that a Youtube compilation, starting with his goal against Chelsea, would lead many people to think that he is actually worth more than the fee Spurs are trying to get for him.

Its a tricky situation.

Steve Cotton
14 Posted 24/07/2012 at 17:15:57
This makes all Davey's comments in the press look a little premature... or should I say downright stupid.

Once again, we don't have a pot and now need to sell from an already depleted squad to stand still. We are now 9 players down on last season with only Naismith with a dodgy knee coming in.

I know it's tight out there, I know we are broke with the banks on our case but if this article is true then Bill should hold his hands up and just walk because he has zero nouse in running a club.

But don't worry: if we don't get Pienaar, I am sure that we will get some no-mark in on loan at the deadline... typical Blues.

Richard Tarleton
15 Posted 24/07/2012 at 17:25:46
The real comment is that I think in Yobo's early years with the club, he was exceptional: anticiation and accelleration were marvellous and remember that Wnger was rumoured to be constantly sniffing around. Pienaar's good, but not marvellous.
Anto Byrne
16 Posted 24/07/2012 at 17:19:23
Has Piennar put in a transfer request at Spurs? Does he get a slice of the pie this way? He left us for more money and it didn't work out. If we can't get him back for what we sold him then perhaps we should look elsewhere.
Paul Holmes
17 Posted 24/07/2012 at 17:37:36
If we had Pienaar and Donovan on both flanks feeding Jelavic and Naismith, we would be a great counter-attacking team with pace! What's the alternative??? Osman and Anichebe...

Do us all a favour and get Penaar back at any price — at least he's skilful and can keep the ball. Anybody remember the England team in the Euros? Foreign is better... FACT!
Bob Willis
18 Posted 24/07/2012 at 18:00:17
Pienaar should do a Yobo clearly state that he wants out of Spurs and into Everton.

Although I like him very much, he is 30 and I'm sure there is adequate cover in the Academy/Reserves to see us thruogh. Do we still have Barkley on the books? Junior mean anything?

If it doesn't happen, so what? If it does... good. I wouldn't go paying silly money: £3M max.

Jeremy Benson
19 Posted 24/07/2012 at 18:18:19
Steve @664,

How can you say that Bill Kenwright has zero nouse in running a football club?

He has been on the board since 1989, so thats 23 years of experience (is this 23 more years of running a professional football club than you?). There are many things that can be levelled at him - but this is not one of them.

Andrew Ellams
20 Posted 24/07/2012 at 18:29:16
Jeremy, are you sure? Do you know anything about what state this football club is in off the field?
Jeremy Benson
21 Posted 24/07/2012 at 18:35:44
Yes, I'm sure – Kenwright has 23 years of experience.

We're a Premier League club, we are top 8 material, we've been in Europe under his reign, we aren't about to do a Leeds. We aren't in fashionable London, and we have an ageing stadium and little assets.

The latter things are not Kenwright's fault; the former things are what we are under his tenure. I'm no Kenwright fan – but I will chip in when people make stupid comments.

Those who think the grass is always greener – well, really, I worry about your business and life experience, as it seems extremely optimistic/naive.

Jeremy Benson
22 Posted 24/07/2012 at 18:39:08
p.s. Andrew - how many years experience of running a professional club do you have?

You don't need to answer, I already know..

Gavin Poynton
23 Posted 24/07/2012 at 18:37:26
If we don't sign Piennar, I think Moyes will resign. The club are run by clowns. It's embarassing for a club of Everton's stature to wheel and deal for a few million quid!
Andrew Ellams
24 Posted 24/07/2012 at 18:43:33
There are a lot of things I've never done that people with lot's of experience do badly. Run a High St bank maybe.

Kenwright is a charlatan and this club will never progress whilst he sits in his ivory tower lording it over his decaying empire

Dave Higginson
25 Posted 24/07/2012 at 18:48:04
Jeremy,

You say you can't blame Kenwright for us having "an ageing stadium and little assets". Well I certainly can!! He's the man that fucked up the best opportunity we had in a generation — the Kings Dock.

He is also the man that has sold all of our assets (Bellefield plus the players on the pitch) just to keep us afloat due to his and the board's diabolical business practices. How anyone can continue to defend him astounds me!
Pablo Connelly
26 Posted 24/07/2012 at 18:52:38
The focus was bound to shift on to Blue Bill as soon as any snag to the Pienaar deal became apparent. Moyes has very cleverly and publicly put the ball firmly in the board's court by stating very early on that the player was keen to come back. This was a clever move from the manager. No one can blame him for 'dithering' and it applied the pressure on Bill to make it happen.

Moyes has avoided putting this type of pressure on his mate for a long time but it seems he has quite rightly had enough. This has now been compounded by Spurs stating they are happy to let him go and the media reporting on the deal like it was already done.

The pressure is definitely on for Blue Bill. He needs to get this deal done or realise that failure will recruit another 20 thousand members of Blue Union.
James Stewart
27 Posted 24/07/2012 at 18:59:30
There are plenty of fish in the sea. If it's not going to happen then just let him go to the circus that is QPR. Spurs are a club not many would want to do business with look at the Modric Saga. Part of me doesn't care if Pienaar returns. He made his bed and now doesn't want to lie in it. Pienaar will have to force it through if he really wants to come back.
Phil Sammon
28 Posted 24/07/2012 at 18:54:23
Kenwright has made mistakes, but a 'charlatan'? If anything, he's more than happy to accept he's not the ideal owner for the club.

How many take overs have there been in the last 10 years, and how many have seen the clubs involved increase in stature as a result? It's a small percentage.

I'm not BK's biggest supporter but some of the vitriol aimed at him by 'fans' is totally unwarranted.

Pablo Connelly
29 Posted 24/07/2012 at 19:01:10
I also meant to add anyone who is happy to 'move on' because Pienaar is 30 or buy a younger player for the same price or rely on the youth set up — that's fine; you are entitled to your opinion.

Here is mine: if this deal doesn't go through, the same people will be the first on here moaning in September because the standard of our football drops dramatically from the end of last season. They will also say that Jelavic was a one-season wonder because he doesn't look like scoring goals and blame the manager for being negative. None of them will have the football knowledge to understand that the real cause was a failure to re-sign the heartbeat of the team when we had the opportunity.
Phil Davies
30 Posted 24/07/2012 at 19:24:08
Pablo #697, so you're suggesting bringing back Pienarr would allow us to carry on playing the way we was playing at the end of last season?


I think we should really be looking for someone younger with resale value, I have said it time and time again over the last month or so, we really should have been trying to bring in Junior Hoilett his wage demands would be in the same area as Pienarr and would cost around the same amount.

If we don't bring a single winger in this transfer window I would be incredibly annoyed with the board, but if we look for something different i'd understand we took a risk on somebody else if it doesn't work fine but there was an attempt, we are being held to ransom over a 30 year old that can't get a game at his current club.

Paul Andrews
31 Posted 24/07/2012 at 19:39:00
Jeremy.

After all those years of marvellous stewardship.
We still cant buy a player for a relatively paltry transfer fee.

Ian Glassey
32 Posted 24/07/2012 at 19:25:25
Pablo
697.
Well in Pablo I could,nt agree more, we only have to look at the football we played when he came back. Defo the heartbeat of the team just pay the money and get
the deal done , if not we will struggle he is that good....
Steve Cotton
33 Posted 24/07/2012 at 19:56:21
Jeremy,

You can see by the level of other people's responses that the consensus is that Bill is a complete idiot who has ducked and dived for the last few years, letting the club fall into decline off the pitch. DM has been amazing keeping us going as it is.

You are an apologist for a chairman who loves the fame that goes with the position but has as much business acumen as the bar maid in the Rover's Return.

"If anything, he's more than happy to accept he's not the ideal owner for the club." — Phil Sammon... well that's okay then, let him keep running it into oblivion, mate. Perhaps if he wasn't trying to sell it for £100 million above its actual value then we might have some sympathy.

Well, you can keep him; I am rightly pissed off.....

Pablo Connelly
34 Posted 24/07/2012 at 20:01:45
Phil 704; I am basing my argument on football reasons. As already mentioned Peinaar doesnt relay on a burst of pace so he can play at his current standard for realistically another 4 years. Look at Distin he out paced men 14 years his junior regularly last year. The average age is increasing for players at the top level because they look after themselves better.

But to answer your question Phil, yes I do think the only chance we have to hit the same standard of football as the second half of last year is if we resign Peinaar. The reason for this is the technical ability of the rest of the team is limited compared to him. We have a great defensive shape. we have have a genuine goalscorer and hopefully have another player in Naismith to help be more clinical in the final third.

However how many other players are capable of recieving the ball in tight areas and still starting attacks? How many other of our players see a pass like him? He not only makes things happen with the ball at his feet but his constant movement off the ball when we have posession creates space for other. Then when he gets into key areas he makes good decisions.

He isn't God. He won't win us the league but he does make us tick. I don't believe we can get that from another player for the same price and there is no way we can expect anyone to come through the youth system and fill that void with no experience behind them. It isn't realist to think someone like Hoilett would deliver more in the next 4 years

Paul Gladwell
35 Posted 24/07/2012 at 20:14:22
James there are plenty more fish in the sea, but what type?
We spent £9M on Bily and waited how long for him to turn it around? And it failed.
You won't get anything as good and guaranteed success for the money we will pay for Pienaar, you cannot get that striker off Huddersfield for what we are meant to pay for Pienaar, he is a cracking little player who will slot in straight away and work his bollocks off too and for how much?
John Campbell
36 Posted 24/07/2012 at 20:32:19
Fuck him, give the young lads a run out, bring them on then sell them like we always do.

In Barkley we trust ....
Paul Gladwell
37 Posted 24/07/2012 at 20:34:17
We only have pennies to play with so gambles are not an option,Pienaar is not a gamble.
James Stewart
38 Posted 24/07/2012 at 20:36:58
I don't disagree with that Paul Pienaar is a fine player and was integral to us end of last season. But lets not forget this is a player who wanted out not so long ago. He turned down Chelsea for more money at Spurs a bad move in my opinion. I think those hoping he will force through a move for the love of our great club will be sadly let down. If Spurs put him on the open market as they will do if we don't agree a fee asap then he will be gone to the highest bidder who most certainly won't be us.

Hoilett was a good shout on one of the above posts. Michu was also available for around 2m but I think he has gone to Swansea now. As has De Guzman also an exciting winger. My point really was it's dangerous to put all our eggs in the Pienaar basket as I have a feeling it will all end in tears.

David Gallant
39 Posted 24/07/2012 at 20:54:48
Well said Pablo! Agree with everything you say. Pienaar really is the heartbeat of this team and his absence in the FA Cup semi made that abundantly clear to even the most myopic. If anything, he returned a better player because he was far more of a goal threat than he was in his previous stint, which is one of the accusations people leveled at him. Another is the notorious stats game, which shoes he has relatively few assists. What the stats don't tell you is the amount of times he instigates an attacking move by playing a one-two or slowing it down and drawing defenders whilst not necessarily getting the final ball in to claim the 'assist'.

For me he is absolutely crucial and possibly the difference between really making an impact next season and struggling badly.

Alan Clarke
40 Posted 24/07/2012 at 20:48:53
Don't we all get pissed off about Moyes not giving youth a chance? Yet here we are shouting that Moyes should blow his entire summer budget on a 30 year old. Those saying Pienaar has another 4 years need to have a look at Cahill. He's not really coped since turning 30.

Age isn't just about losing pace, it's about becoming more injury prone, losing your touch and losing your speed of thought. Pienaar has 2 years max left at this level and that's why paying anything over £2.5 million would be criminal. If any club is willing to pay more then good luck to them.

Moyes wanted to reduce the age of the team when he came and he should stick to his principles. Barkley deserves his chance and this Junior fella looks lively too. Pienaar isn't the be all and end all and Spurs can fuck off if they think they can hold us to ransom.

Ste Byn
41 Posted 24/07/2012 at 21:01:14
It is very easy to solve this, Pienaar simply goes to AVB or chairman and says;

"Sell me to Everton, I will sign for no one else but them, and if you don't I will quite happy to rot on your bench earning 60K plus a week"

It's called player power and it does work, as we have seen first hand!!

Lyndon Lloyd
42 Posted 24/07/2012 at 21:18:08
Ste, to a certain degree, this has already happened but while the transfer window is open, Tottenham can play hardball and try and squeeze as much as they can out of Everton.

They are within their rights to keep Pienaar and EFC sweating right up to August 31st so it's up to our Board to either wait it out — and hope that no one steps in in the meantime — or find the money now.

Jim Knightley
43 Posted 24/07/2012 at 21:25:16
Alan, name me a creative player we could buy of pienarr's class for 4-5million? He was one of very best performers in the league from january onwards...and we know he fits into our team.

And the legs go, not the touch. There's no reason we cant get three seasons out of him and whilst we are potentially paying more than we'd like, we need him.

Barry Stevens
44 Posted 24/07/2012 at 21:22:11
I don't get all this stuff about him being too old at 30. Like someone said earlier, he is an intelligent player not a explosive one. Can easily play 3-4 more seasons. The difference he can make is immense to how we will play this season. He is tried and tested at our club. Going for an alternative would mean bedding in etc.
Brian Waring
45 Posted 24/07/2012 at 21:44:28
Ste, just like Modric did when Chelsea were after him. He went to Levy, kicked up a fuss, and was told your going nowhere, end off. I think if Levy wasn't willing to let Modric dictate to him, Pienaar has got no chance. Its like now, Modric has come back with a grovelling apology after spitting his dummy out again, Spurs say he goes when we say, and for how much.
Got to admire Levy for that.
Alan Clarke
46 Posted 24/07/2012 at 21:52:38
Jim, look to the future though. We get someone of Pienaar's class for 1 maybe 2 seasons for £4 or £5 million. He was excellent but he won't be excellent forever. It's short sighted to want to blow what little money we have on a 30 year old and I'm sure Moyes knows this.
James McGlone
47 Posted 24/07/2012 at 22:04:54
Some strange comments above lads. Firstly, there is no new tv money. It'll all go on debts and wages etc - get used to it - there is no money.

Secondly, he is a prem player but we should take our £4 million elsewhere? If you think we can get anywhere around the class of Pienaar for anything around that amount, then you're seriously deluding yourselves.

Kevin Tully
48 Posted 24/07/2012 at 22:02:33
No doubt Pienaar is a good player with an eye for a pass, but I think he lost a bit of the understanding he had with Baines before he left.

His goal return worries me, for £5m and 60k a week, I would expect 8-10 goals a season from someone who is given licence to roam.

Fellaini is best as a D.M. so there is a big problem where our midfield goals will come from now Tim has departed. If we could sign another midfielder who would give us the goals - Pienaar makes sense, but if £5m is our budget for the summer, I would be tempted to look for someone a little more prolific.

Sam Hoare
49 Posted 24/07/2012 at 22:06:16
Levy is not going to let anyone dictate to him but equally Everton are not going to pay too much for someone who probably only has 3-4 years playing at his current high standard.

Add in the rumour that Yobo has called off fenerbace deal and it seems peanuts might be heading to cash rich QPR! If he does then it wasn't meant to be and we move on...possibly to Jarvis from Wolves?

Sam Hoare
50 Posted 24/07/2012 at 22:19:53
Think this clarifies why he is probably worth 4-5m for us:

In the 24 league games prior to Pienaar’s arrival, Everton scored just 24 goals, but in the 14 matches with the South African, they struck 26 times. He also created 32 chances in that short spell, third only to Leon Osman and Leighton Baines with 38 and 67 respectively, but over the course of a full season.

Ian Glassey
51 Posted 24/07/2012 at 22:21:23
Yobo deal rumored to be off wtf is going on.

Can our great club get dragged any lower?

Moyes grow a pair and tell that so called board to do one, I hate the transfer window.
Andy Crooks
52 Posted 24/07/2012 at 23:16:05
Jim Knightley, I like Pienaar I'd like him here cheap but two years ago ,without injury, I suspect most of us would have expected 3-4 years from Cahill. Players reach an age when they are done and as, Cahiil demonstrates, it isn't necessarily about pace. Pienaar might have less good years left than he is worth.
Paul Holmes
53 Posted 24/07/2012 at 23:16:05
30 years old is young if you are good! Pirlo was one of the players of the tournament for Italy and he's 33.

Would you rather have a young player like James Milner (who is rubbish) or a great older player like Pirlo (who is fantastic)? Worry about NOW! and this season... Pienaar is at the top of his game, get him at all costs otherwise we will end up with some shit player from Russia that costs £10 million, recommended by some expert called Gus Hiddink!
Jim Knightley
54 Posted 24/07/2012 at 23:27:45
Andy, I don't think most of us did expect that amount of extra playing time from Cahill. He is constantly travelling for Australia, and has played in an intense league for a very long time. His worth is also based on his goal return, not his passing ability and influence. Technical players, like Pirlo, Becks, Seedorf, Giggs, Scholes etc etc play for longer.

With respect to Pienarr; we desperately need a creative force. I would say it's worth 3-4 league places to us, because without creativity, we will not be breaching the top half of the league, and Osman cannot take the creative burden alone. Pienarr played only 14 games for us when he returned..and scored 4 goals and made 6 assists. That's how important he is to the team. This article actually does a pretty good job of a breakdown of some of the stats (although there are of course other factors at work) http://www.eplindex.com/14856/everton-steven-pienaar-vital-dispensable-opta-stats.html

The theory of spending the money on youngsters is good...but what youngster/s? it's not possible to just say 'let's spend the money on a younger player'. 1) Who is available who could provide his kind of influence, on his wages, and who would want to come? the only player I considered as preferable to Pienarr was Hoilett, but he would not have his influence. Sometime there is a time to buy young, and other times to buy a player we have confidence in. If it was a DC, with the amount we have, i'd say buy young. But given that our only true creative player is Osman (We will see about Naismith), we cannot risk bringing in someone unproven to take the burden.

I'd also rather have Pienarr than Arteta, and we sold him for 10mil, at a similar age.

Ian Glassey
55 Posted 24/07/2012 at 23:36:18
Okay everyone, if we don't get Pienaar who do we get to play on the left? And don't say Jarvis — he's not in the same league as Pienaar...
Mark Riding
56 Posted 24/07/2012 at 23:48:09
Ian #782 - Zaha.
Timothy Liu
57 Posted 24/07/2012 at 23:07:58
Alan 723

Tim has had horrible injuries, having broken his foot 3-4 times and despite those injuries has been played when needed by moyes and surely, his career span must have diminished at the top level. His asian cup injury was the final straw and after regaining match fitness 8 months later it just wasn't the same Cahill who had been labeled more or less a "god" for his goals in the first half of 2010-2011.

It makes me sick that we have to sacrifice a club legend for some 30 year old who once left us for money, such is the plight of being an evertonian. But in retrospect this will most likely be the best decision; Pienaar is what we need and he will surely longer than Cahill.

Richard Styles
58 Posted 25/07/2012 at 01:01:59
We must wait and see.... This is just an excuse for the two chairmen to meet up over expensive dinners and expensive drinkypoos... I was told Levy turned up to the last meeting with Bill all straight-faced and Bill said something that changed the atmosphere " I will take Modrich and Pienaar on loan for a year" Levy hasn't stopped laughing since, Although I think the Pienaar deal might be to rich for us, We may get him back on loan for yet another season...

But then again I was told this deal was already done and in the bag after the initial loan period was finished...What the hell do I know?, I only read what the rest of you read in the papers or on the Internet... Take a chill pill folks! still time to grab another cripple before the deadline runs out...

What's that 6 players out now, one left himself, and Tiny leaves us... What a true Blue he has been, if Pienaar had been as faithful we could have been in the Champions league this year! I think he has learned by his mistake.... Now lets forgive and forget... I want him back, even if its only for a short while so we can save a bit more to buy the next up and coming Ronaldo from the lower leagues...
Football is a Circus! BRING ON THE CLOWNS!
Peter Barry
59 Posted 25/07/2012 at 03:51:30
Levy and Spurs have Daft Davey and BK over a barrel and they know it. It was always going to be that way after they allowed a carefully and purposefully cup-tied Pienaar back to Everton on loan last season.

Spurs do not want him but they know Everton desperately do, so all the cards are in their hand, given to them by Davey Boy's and BK's INSANITY in allowing 'Peanuts' to go for 'peanuts' in the first place and now showing they are willing to pay Spurs a REWARD for taking the piss out of Everton.
Jason Lam
60 Posted 25/07/2012 at 04:16:24
Problem with Pienaar is whether he is motivated to give his all if he signs for us. Off the field antics would also be a managerial concern for headmaster Moyes.
Derek Thomas
61 Posted 25/07/2012 at 04:46:29
Richard Styles 810; Bring in the Clowns, the tagline to that song is...The Clowns are all here... in the Boardroom and more than a few on the terraces cheering the grinning face of our own personal Crusty, head of the EFC chapter of the Fools Guild
Eric Myles
62 Posted 25/07/2012 at 06:45:37
It's a moot point now if we're not going to get the money for Yobo.

Unless we have someone else worth £2.5 million for immediate sale?

Steve Brown
63 Posted 25/07/2012 at 10:45:02
Difference between Modric and Pienaar is that Spurs want to keep Modric, so they will play hardball. Levy will try to get the best fee but ultimately Pienaar will leave this summer. It's up to the player now, if he insists he'll only consider Everton then the transfer will happen.
Noel Early
64 Posted 25/07/2012 at 11:01:56
It just baffles me how people can still say Bill Kenwright has the best interests of this club at heart, I could give a list of his failures but that would just be seen as troublemaking and out of order, but the fact that we get away with finishing in the top 8 every year means that he and his board get away without all the flak that they deserve. Let's put it in context:

The club was bought for a pittance at £10 million:
Sold Bellefield;
Sold Finch Farm and Leased it back;
Sold Everton One shop and leased it back;
Sold the Jersey rights;
We have a Stadium falling apart;
Failed to deliver a new stadium;
Can't seem to afford Steven Pienaar for £5 million??– even after clearing loads of wage room by getting rid of at least a dozen players.

So, apart from all of the above (and more I probably forgot to mention... Oh yeah he wants £150 million for the club!) now Bill is worthy of being called a PRAT in my opinion.

The Blue Union is only going to get more popular.

Mark Tanton
65 Posted 25/07/2012 at 11:36:01
I imagine that if QPR or Sunderland get involved then either of those two clubs will wrap up the deal in days - sadly football reality, that we cannot compete either in financial terms or in terms of speed, professionalism and straightfowardness in business deals.
Martin Mason
66 Posted 25/07/2012 at 12:39:57
What is the drama? Everton want to buy him but don't have the money without selling. The deal will either go through or it won't and Spurs hold all of the aces, when we sold him we held none. Such are the vagaries of the transfer system post-Bosman and this is the reality of EFC 2012.
James Flynn
67 Posted 25/07/2012 at 13:49:52
Ah Peter (818) - Still blaming the manager for the Club's financial failings I see. Tsk, tsk.
John Crook
68 Posted 25/07/2012 at 14:51:38
Never a dull moment in a week at EFC, pre season tour collapses, Yobo deal said to be finally done after 2 years now we hear its off and now they want to buy another of our defenders and we also heard Pienaar was 'close' but apparently thats stalled too. Never a dull moment.
Jim Knightley
69 Posted 25/07/2012 at 15:06:11
Letting Pienaar go back to Everton probaly cost Harry his job... He would have come in when Spurs were crying out for squad players to step up, and improved them.

And I thought £5 million was too much when I heard the supposed figure... and most of us seem to think so. But in reality, what price do we think is fair? £3 million? £3 million for one of the best performers in the league from January onwards, who has proven he plays well for us?... Really? £4-5 million is probably fair.

And Peter, if we have a wage structure to protect, I don't see how it's Moyes's fault. How much of this club do you think he controls? Last time I checked, it's not Moyes's fault we lack financial bite, is it? A lot of clubs have lost players because of a failure to break wage structures (and I think Spurs' Champions League prospects played an obvious part in the move)...

Arsenal's loss of Flamini because of his wage demands, who had a market price of at least £10million at the time, is a good example and they've suffered ever since with the failure to find a comparable disciplined defensive midfielder... but, whereas Arsenal didn't go back for Flamini, didn't swallow their pride when he fell out of favour, we conversely are displaying a different attitude. I'm glad we are as well.

We sold Pienaar for £3 million, with six months left on his contract, got him on loan most probably without a fee given the implications of the Saha deal, and will probaly buy him back for £4-5 million. Ultimately it's not a terrible loss. It's a shame, but we needed Pienaar, and no-one on here has suggested a suitable replacement.

With respect to Zaha, he is a good player but not at Pienaar's level, and would cost more than Pienaar. Bolton had a £7 million bid rejected, and I can't see us getting for much less than £10 million.

Shame about Michu actually... although he plays in a different position – Swansea have pulled off a fantastic deal in gettting him for £2 million. But then, interested or not, we evidently don't have the money.

Pablo Connelly
70 Posted 25/07/2012 at 17:28:09
Villas-Boas just been on SSN stating that Peinaar is still a Spurs player but talks are on going. All parties clearly want the same outcome here so FFS Levy just accept installments for the next 25 years and a down payment of all the Chang you can drink will ya!!!
Phil Rodgers
71 Posted 25/07/2012 at 17:52:30
If I see pienaar in either a qpr or Sunderland shirt I will be absolutely furious. He has rarely had a bad game for Everton and he really makes a difference. Even at 30 he will be an asset to the team. This deal needs to happen.
Ronald Low
72 Posted 25/07/2012 at 18:13:32
With all the above mention happening....... We may be sued for backing out in Indonesia. How I "love" pre season news.... Yippee!
John Roberts
73 Posted 25/07/2012 at 18:40:54
Breaking news:-

The pigeon that Billy Bullshitter uses to send negotiation details of the Pienaar deal has gone AWOL and was reportedly last seen heading off to the Bahamas!!

Why does it take us so long to sort transfer deals out! We are a joke off the pitch and, once again, there's only one man (or maybe it's a group of them) to blame!!

Same old pre-season!
Matt Traynor
74 Posted 25/07/2012 at 18:32:51
Ronald, #954, exactly why, and where, would the organisers sue Everton? It's typical face-saving bluster in the Far East. As others have pointed out on other threads, Everton have done nothing wrong here.

On the matter of finance, isn't it funny how Baines is rumoured to have rejected Man U after Everton accepted an offer, and now Heitinga is suddenly the rumoured departure de jour. Bill really is working 24/7 to get some money in...

Jimmy Sørheim
75 Posted 25/07/2012 at 18:41:07
This is hard to see, but I keep reminding myself of the fact that we had Drenthe ready to come here for free. Now we have neither Pienaar or Drenthe, and it is going to kill our season if we do not have these types of players.

I would rate Pienaar higher then Drenthe, but if we can not get the deal trough then I think we should sign Drenthe. He is young and has many years ahead of him, he can learn to adapt and become more like Pienaar. I would prefer getting both of them as I see no other real options, we lack the money to really have other options.

I remember Drenthe had his fit, but without Pienaar who else is there, after all he did give us goals and assists, which we lack right now.

I can not see this season being any good without creative wingers, no matter how good Jelavic is he can not do it all.

The question of value for money is invalid, without Pienaar we will never be able to end up among the 7-8th best.

Andrew Gilbert
76 Posted 25/07/2012 at 19:30:27
Drenthe would have been great but somewhere, sometime in his life he had a lobotomy and is now not worth the effort.
Jay Harris
77 Posted 25/07/2012 at 19:28:39
Even 2 seasons of Pienaar will be better than 4 seasons of mediocrity.

The club is now bankrupt to the extent we cannot even afford a couple of million having let Drenthe, Straquilirsi, Donovan, Cahill and Yobo go let alone some of the kids.

Everton are being run like a corner sweet shop in fact it's not even that good.

Never mind the lack of finances we havent even got a clue how to negotiate a deal.

We are acting like Chester City not a premiership club.

FFS Bill hurry up and go and take "friends of Everton" with you.

Karl Jones
78 Posted 25/07/2012 at 20:23:47
Only thing missing so far this summer, is the club going into administration rumour...but no doubt that will turn up soon.
Ian Glassey
79 Posted 25/07/2012 at 20:08:49
Well said Jay.

Agree with you all the way: the board should be driven out, and not just Kenwright, the others bring sweet fuck all to the club, our only assets are the players on the pitch and the manager.

Now I am not a big fan of Moyes and his at times drab style of play but, credit were it's due, I hate to think were we would be with out him. But he must be getting pissed off with the same old thing every year, he deserves better of the board.

I say at the end of the season every year "Never again..." but I am still there with my season ticket money. It just does not get any easier but we are EVERTON..
Harj Badwal
80 Posted 25/07/2012 at 23:40:01
Pienaar's situation will not be resolved until the last minute of Transfer deadline day, and Yobo will probably end up on loan again... the Hierarchy at EFC couldn't negotiate a piss-up in a brewry.
James Stewart
81 Posted 26/07/2012 at 01:55:40
As I mentioned above there are plenty of good players about for little money. Michu prime example. Great buy for Swansea. 15 goals from Midfield in La Liga in a poor team is some feat. Only 26, and bought for 2m.

The real problem is we are still up shit creek with no paddle financially. We can't even scrape together 2.5m for a signing. Unless Yobo goes there is no funds. All our tv revenue goes straight to whoever Bullshit bill took his payday loans from. The rest barely covers the wage bill. Pienaar is pretty irrelevant in the grandscale of things. Until we get our house in order we will never rise above mid table. Year in year out more players leave than are brought in and this year will be no different.

Jem Traynor
82 Posted 27/07/2012 at 02:48:55
I believe the proverb, if it ain't broke don't fix it, or should that be isn't? Hang on where does the apostrophe go?

Anyway, back to the point... He does play extremely well for EFC and just fits into the plans we should have! Baines link-up play all that oh yeah he's a South African Cross Country Champion so also has a high level of endurance and understands how to maintain a top level of fitness for himself, ie, common sense.

That's my thoughts on this: just sign him but try to get a good deal. His last few years in football as a player could be the best we all see of him and he will help push EFC to the CL with the rest of a Top squad WE have managed to build again under DM!! COYBB!!!

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