A point from a dreadful exhibition

Firstly, Victor is not a winger. If you're gonna play him, then play him in HIS position..

I can't understand why anyone would break up the most potent left sided threat in the premiership... just to crowbar players into a 4-5-1.

God forbid we play Barkley and he makes a mistake... Nevilles well and truly got that angle covered.

Why didn't he just keep Pienaar on the left and Miralles on the right?

Not a bad point in the end after that joke sending off.

Too many players of our forward players had an off day.

Next week has to see Coleman replaced at right back by Neville or Hibbert.

Obviously midfield is in a terrible state, as Fellaini and Gibson are almost certainly not going to be fit. With no Pienaar, where is the creativity to come from? I can't see an obvious 11 that will give the other lot a game. Only Everton could lose their best 3 players a week before the derby.

As for the Referee today , I just don't understand how one man can make so many errors compounded by Pienaar's second yellow. I didn't realise until just now on the TV that the same ref was in charge at WBA.

The crowd will have to perform next week and get right behind the Blues, good old fashioned backs to the wall and defiance will be the order of the day, until Clattenburg or whoever decides to reduce us to ten men in the first ten minutes.

Pienaar was unlucky to go and we will miss him badly next week. I'd gamble on a half-fit Gibson and hope Fellaini is back and in the mood, but it seems 50/50 at best. Things remain positive but gradually the performance level feels like it's slipping and I get the impression that once the "clear" first choice eleven isn't all available, Moyes struggles to find the right mix and today we just didn't gel, but hard work got us a point.

Moyes was very angry in the sky post match interview and called the ref "rubbish all day". I thought the Jelavic penalty claim was soft... seen them given... but I'd have been furious not to get one for that Coleman tackle.

I think we really need next week to see the team deliver a strong performance. There was a lot of talk today about maintaining "momentum". Well I'm not sure draws at Wigan and QPR really represents momentum, but beating the RS certainly does and we could go on from there to develop a genuine, and surprising, top four challenge.

Perhaps now that we have estabilshed internationals that are actually first choice for their country the international breaks effect us more than they used to. Lads looked jaded today.

Jags outstanding and I've not been his biggest fan over the last 12 months but exactly the type of game where he shines.

We deserved a point but can do much better.

Osman was better today than say Pienaar and Jelavic, two of the so-called 'stars' of the team. Neither looked interested, aside from Jelavic being interested in diving around every time he got near the penalty box and Pienaar being interested in stupid fouls prior to his sending off. Baines was also caught in possession far too often and caught out of position too.

In fact, Jagielka and maybe Howard asides, most players were poor all over the pitch today.

I can't believe second yellows can't be appealed. That's a sickener.

The squad limitation is starting to show. Moyes broadside at the ref was quite funny though.....

Yes, many on the pitch were bad... and yes, Jaqs saved us. But the original point made by Nelly (not me) still stands for many. Can you see Osman playing in the Champions League???? Think about it.

We didn't play well collectively but ended up with an away point. No team wins every game or plays consistently to 100% every week. Fact is we have still only been beaten once in the league and as someone pointed out earlier, we would probably have lost this type of game this time last season.

Disappointed - yes. Time for the knives - don't think so.

Jags was one of our better performers and I actually thought Coleman did ok too. He got forward and defended well when he needed to.

The main problem seemed to be too many square pegs in round holes.

Another suspension adds to the woes, I just hope Fellaini, Gibson and Hibbert are back for the derby. Missing out on the Belgian kid again looks to have cost us.

There are two aspects I am upset about:

1. The formation
Why the hell put Mirallas and/or Pienaar floating in the middle with nobody wide right or left??? (Yes, I know Victor was supposed to be wide right but he just wasn't with the program...)

2. Psychology
I have always said that top players cost so much because they have a winning mentality. Most of our lads froze today because of all the talk about 'banana skins' and 'QPR are due a win' etc — totally unhelped by Moyesy saying how tough the game was going to be.

QPR are bottom for a good reason: they can't score goals and can't defend.

IMO we should have gone at them relentlessly with our previous formation modified by Naismith up front in place of Felli.

And can we please have less Ossie bashing when things go against us. There were quite a few worse performances out there today.

In fact, most of our players except for Jags, seemed scared to death of making a challenge around our box.

MotM for me was Jags. The only one who seemed to give a shit.

A very long walk for me next Sunday. I can't handle any more of that against those twats.

I think our main problem is the complete lack of creativity in our right side. When everything is going through our left side with Baines it becomes so easy to defend against us. I think he ought to play Mirallas on the right side to have some creativity from there as well.

And then we come to our weakest point: Coleman. If he was an inexperienced teenager then okay... but he is I think at least 23. Everybody agrees he can't defend but I think he is even worse going forward. Poor passes, poor ball control and poor decision-making. I am sure he is a likeable guy and his fighting spirit and passion is fantastic but he just does not have the skills and talent. In fact I rate Hibbert higher than Coleman even when it comes to offensive skills. And please never play Coleman in the right midfield again!

And well Osman and Neville in the middle next week worries me. They worry me every week actually. Neville is a back up right back at best. Osman, Anichebe are not Premier League first team either. All will probably start next week too. Can't wait...

I thought the Pienaar sending off was entirely warranted. The referee had clearly warned him just a couple of minutes that he was in danger of picking up a second yellow. A yellow doesn't have to be given for a single challenge, it can be given for persistent fouling, which was the case here.

Only bright side is that we didn't lose, which is certainly a rarity when we throw in such a terrible showing.

It's so depressing to week in and week out see Neville continuing to play in the center. He has to be the most limited player in the premiership and he's starting in the middle? What about Hitzlsperger??? He can't be worse can he? It would be impossible. Neville was completely at fault for the goal by the way.

I've defended Coleman here for a while but he looks like he still has a LOT to learn. He needs some attention in practice.

Jelly must be frustrated.

Mirallas lacks cutting edge or something but hopefully he'll really get on track.

Why on earth would moyes KEEP Neville in the middle but CHANGE the Pienaar and Baines partnership?!? What in the world is he thinking???

Hitzlsperger clearly isn't fit. So knowing that want other option do we have but Neville in midfield? Heitinga? Junior?

Neville is not a CM, but he was the best we had available today.

I have seen every game this season and as I have stated strongly over many posts and many years, in my opinion, which I am fully allowed to hold, and fully accept that many people will strongly disagree, but I thought that we stunk today from start to finish.

Mr Moyes got things totally wrong again; I cannot understand the moving of Pienaar inside... Why not leave him to work as he has positively and successfully in front of Baines???

I thought Neville was dreadful. Anichebe was, well as usual for me, just nothing; we may as well start with 10 men. Osman was lost totally, I saw nothing in his game today. Not bashing him or using language like "hate" – I just do not rate him as a "big" player. Also, I thought most of the others apart from Jags were very very poor today.

I cannot figure out why though. QPR are dreadful and should have been hammered.

Again, I don't want to be labelled MOB or whatever — I do not like his style and I certainly didn't today — but I thought he got a lot wrong today. If we can praise him when we win and give him the "laurels" then we can certainly criticise him when we don't win games we should, and Mr Moyes has many of them on his CV — certainly today's game.

Let's see next week. I have said to most of my match going colleagues that I would measure the "new and more adventurous" Mr Moyes after the derby match based on his dismal approach to last season's derbies.

Still, I'm looking forward to it — obviously I would love a win.

Earlier in the Tyne&Wear derby, Ben Arfa spent whole match fouling and pulling players and he wasn't booked at all.

I don't think there was a ToffeeWebber who didn't think we would struggle if we lost two of our key players, we don't have replacements of a similar quality.

Still I guess most of us hardened fans could have predicted what would have happened this game. We'd get an away draw with some dodgy refereeing and bad luck combined with an injury or red card depriving our best player of playing in the derby. Pienaar probably won't get another red card in his entire Everton career yet it happens the week before the derby.

I'm sick of watching this same recurring bad dream every year. Just like when Arteta was on fire but pulled his groin before the Van der Meyde derby, and like when Hibbert ran into him and broke his rib in training before the FA Cup derby. There's always someone missing or suspended or ineligible, or some idiotic ref or one in a million deflection, whilst they are always at full flaming strength. It's never just our best 11 against their best 11 in a fair match.

I would've taken Hitzlsperger for 45 minutes over Neville.

Maybe he could've come on in the 2nd half?

Jelly had no service at all.

The pitch looked to be a difficult surface and it didn't seem to suit us.

Finally, I blame Pienaar's haircut. Looks like it's painted on. Did Hibbert do it?

If you look in the night sky you can see the stars aligning as they do at least twice a year... and of course when we play them in the cup.

Marvellous.

Neville is so limited in the CM position and takes that extra second to pick a pass, he is also very reluctant to push ahead of the play as Pienaar was gesturing him to do on numerous occasions today; any pass to Neville is a backward pass and then Neville inevitably passes further back or sideways.

Jelavic and Mirallas were denied any good balls, even after Moyes got Baines & Pienaar together in the 2nd half. I've seen Boswinga (the QPR fullback) get the run around time and time these last few seasons and today he completely dominated any left wing threat we had. Our right wing threat was non-existent and I don't remember one cross from Coleman.

Last few points: Pienaar was foolish – he had been warned for repeat fouls and then 2 mins later gives the ref the opportunity to send him off, not just for this silly little coming together but for consistent infringement.

Lastly Moyes was bloody stupid to have a go at the Ref over the above sending off and the never ever penalty Jelavic decision and also bringing in a reference to this Ref's handling of our West Bom game.

The Omens are bad - very bad

And don't anyone mention Hitzberger playing as he hasn't played a competitive match for 6 months or more, a 100mph derby will crucify him. We have this knack of shooting ourselves in the foot every year at "Derby" time - well done Pienaar !!

At least we came away with a point - which is more than you can say for Arsenal.

We are 1 point clear in fourth, and if we can give it to those fuckers next Sunday, all blues should be happy with our start to the season.

However, if we lose, it will take the gloss off our good start for me.

Then how can Moyes one minute get it so right, then a week later, behave like he's managing the leather bottle on a Sunday morning at the Dista playing fields?!?

Initially playing Anichibe wide right, Mirallas wide left with and Jelavic up top in a flexible 4-3-3/4-5-1 isn't looking to pinch a point.

The system didnt work for various reasons. But that isn't a defensive formation.

He also kept Mirallas and Jelavic on for as long as he could until in an attempt to get 3 points until he had no option but to thicken up the mid with 10 mins to go when we took the point. Wisely.

So Moyes took a point with 10 mins to go.

Pinch a point mindset? Try bullshit tinged claptrap.

James Martin, Osman "playing like he normally" does is the problem. He's innocuous at best.

After watching this game though, I've come up with a sure-fire way of writing yourself off whilst watching Everton. Enjoy:

2 swigs for each player out of position on the team sheet.
2 swigs if the same midfield combination is picked regardless of form.
Half a beer when we concede the first goal.
1 swig when the ref doesn't award us a deserved penalty.
1 swig whenever Anichebe falls over - full beer if he's knocked over by someone bigger than him.
1 swig whenever Osman has no impact in defense.
1 swig when Neville physically struggles to pass the ball.
1 swig when Neville passes the ball to a player in a worse position.
1 swig when Howard hangs onto the ball then goes long.
1 swig when Moyes is shown frowning.
2 swigs if Moyes makes a sub before 60 mins.
2 swigs when we don't score in the second half.
1 swig when you hear Moyes giving micro-managing orders to players from the sideline lilke they're under 7s.
Half beer when we drop points to a team below us on the table.
Full beer when we drop points to the bottom team on the table.
Half a beer when we break the opposition's losing streak.

that said I would play Neville at right back next week if Hibbert is out as every time the ball goes near Coleman I cringe. The lad is not up to the standards of a premiership footballer and when he plays at full back it unsettles the whole of the defence.

Thought Baines was very poor today.

Dog will get a long walk next Sunday as fear the worse. Their midfield will move the ball too quickly for us to cope and we don't have anyone to break up the play as we keep giving the ball back to the opposition.

To end on a positive, I was pleased with a point today and this will ultimately be seen as a point gained.

Don't want to get too pesimistic before a derby hopefully Fellaini will be fit and we will smash them by three.

2nd bottom, although at home, QPR at least try and play 4-4-2. Of course, Everton, lying 4th, supposedly on form and brimming with confidence, set up as if they are second bottom, one up front and at least three players played out of position to cover for a missing Fellaini.

I really do want to be pleasantly surprised by Moyes, so called manager of the month, but once again his true colours win out.

I don't even want to think about the team set up and mindeset he will instill for the derby, but expect the worst.

Really disappointing and once again we suffer on in hope!

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Point gained, but annoyed at Pienaar dismissal, whether Mirallas will be there next week or giving Oviedo a chance to shine will be an interesting question.
I just hope there will be some good news in mid week. 'Fellaini and Hibbert will feature in the derby'.

And Steve, don't be so tactically naive. How did we play defensively? were Spain defensive, because they didn't play a 442? which is a massively outdated formation anyhow. No body in their right mind would play 442, with Mirallas and Pienarr, two wingers in the formation, along with two extremely attacking full backs, and Osman in central midfield. We suffered from the midfield battle as it was. Thankgod you are not managing Everton.

All in all, the result was not that disappointing. QPR are in a false position, and have good players, and we are suffering from the loss of two important ones. But the Pienaar suspension is dreadful. We are an utterly different team with him, and a one match suspension couldn't really be more badly timed. Hopefully Fellaini and Gibson will be back, because a win against Liverpool would really help dictate where we go this season.

As soon as the window opens, we must bring in a central midfielder.

Also, I thought Jags was immense today

So played 8 and five of them have been away, beat the other lot next week and we will consolidate our 4th place.

I have an excuse for being tactically naive. I'm not a professional coach with FA coaching badges and years of experience under my belt.

Just commenting as a layman on the what most seem to be able to see.

Blame the size of the squad all you want, we should be able to beat the likes of Wigan, West Brom and QPR with a well qualified coach and the squad we have. My naive suggestion would be to play players in position and be positive!

But no..let's complicate things with clever formations and tactics.

Gonna be watching next week's game with my brother who's a red and I'm now crapping it. Really hoping Gibson is fit enough to start.

Moyes went for some strange decisions today and they didn't quite work, however for me his biggest mistake was not securing another decent central midfielder in the transfer window. I have some faith in Osman, but him and Neville are nowhere near a top 4 central midfield and after the derby, I fear we will no longer be in the top 4.

Fellaini and Gibson will not be fully match fit if at all and missing pienaar as well is going to make this weekend a grim undertaking I fear against a quick and improving RS.

The idea that anyone on here has a better idea about how to pick the Everton team than David Moyes is laughable; no-one has a clue about the physical and mental condition of the players, their tactical awareness in certain positions or the strengths of QPR that need countering. Instead, people think that if we put the same teamsheet out every week then they're always going to play the same and any opposition – no matter their team shape or formation – will never be able to stop us, not even at home.

Even the top teams don't play like that so I don't know why we'd have that arrogance. Ferguson changes his team every week accordingly with who he is facing.

Moyes didn't do that against Wigan and Martinez had us sussed with his formation because we'd played the same way all season; we had to adapt second half and had a much better showing. But yeah I'm sure in his entire managerial career Moyes has never thought of the genius ToffeeWeb tactic of sticking all his attacking players (and Ross Barkley of course) in a 4-4-2 and just telling them to 'go for it' for 38 games a season regardless of the opposition.

I agree with Sam. There were some strange decisions today and for want of a better phrase, we were crap... But let's just see how the derby goes. I'm not expecting anything... But hoping. We're due some luck against those arseholes.

The loss of Gibson and Fellaini has severely weakened us on this showing. We had to move Neville into midfield leaving Coleman in his worst position - defence.

Heavin Forbid we're without them and Pienaar next week. I only hope we're allowed to overturn Pineaar's second yellow, if the rules even permit that.

Regarding team selection, quite simply there wasn't any realistic alternative to Neville and Osman in midfield. We actually started quite well in the second half, but after the ridiculous piece of officiating that was Pienaar's second yellow card it was always going to be backs-to-the-wall.

The biggest criticism of the game was how we set ourselves up, why Pienaar was not on the left to continue his partnership with Baines only Moyes will know. Hopefully Gibbo and Fellaini will be fit for the derby; if so; I'd move Neville back to RB to replace Coleman who frankly had a shocker; and Fellaini obviously for Anichebe. Naismith I thought did quite well when he came on; he injected a bit of energy which sadly seemed to be lacking from a few others on the pitch. Jags clearly for me was MOTM.

Having thought about next weeks game and if Felli is unfit , perhaps we should go 5 at the back
Neville Heitinga Jags Distin and Baines . 3 in midfield Osman , Coleman and Mirralas with Naysmith and jelavic up front. Please no Neville in CM and no Anichebe anywhere other than the bench.

I'm looking for a soundproof cellar for the whole of Sunday with no contact with the outside world!

One thing I did notice was Naismith won all his headers against their defender, about four in total. For a bloke who's no more than about 5'6" that's no mean feet.

Coleman's got a rick in him, think he's second choice when Hibbo's back except when we are battering teams.

Did anyone clock the young ginger Evertoniette banging one in at half time after falling on her arse to the amusement of the crowd? She gave then the shush finger celebration after it nestled, lovely stuff.

I don't particularly think we went out there with a negative attitude. We weren't lacking for attacking players on the pitch - either from the start or with the substitutions we made - but our ability to switch from playing great football to being unable to find a teammate from ten yards is unmatched.

On the Pienaar thing - I still think the referee was right. He'd given Pienaar a last warning about a minute earlier, he got beaten, and he fouled his man. Taken in isolation it wasn't a yellow, but as part of a persistent pattern and immediately after a "final warning", the moment that was a foul I thought "he's off".

Dean Sturridge on the commentary on Fox Soccer Channel here in the US made a couple of interesting points.

On the Pienaar thing - he pointed out that Moyes' reaction after the sending off suggested that he hadn't been aware that he'd been previously booked (because that first booking came after advantage had been played, and the ref took care of it after play broke down). Not great awareness, because I think it would have warranted taking him off for his own benefit at that point.

He also said, and I think he's exactly right, that there was no real reason why losing one player - Fellaini - should warrant switching three players to be out of their most comfortable position (Mirallas playing on the left instead of the right, Pienaar in the centre instead of the left, and Anichebe on the right instead of the centre). I didn't understand that either, and I thought it was definitely a tactical error.

Doesn't necessarily justify a generally bad performance by many players in general. Like most bad performances, a combination of poor play by individual players, and poor tactical set up.

Given our inconsistency, any team could turn up next weekend. Liverpool are shit generally. We can be really good, or we can be really bad - ultimately I think the result of the game is far more dependent on how we turn up, not what the RS do.

On the QPR game. Too many off days but a bit of credit to QPR. They took the initiative and on a wet pitch they played some decent pacy stuff. Can't stand off teams on a wet pitch - we did and conceded.

Coleman did alright for me but had nothing ahead of him and that was deffo a pen against.

Baines had the worst game I've seen. Yes he lacked support and QPR pushed on him but when has that ever stopped him before? Bad day for him.

Neville was shit.

Jelly gets no service so no point talking about his performance. Second look at his penalty claim he had a case.

Pienaar had an off day but I'm not having the second yellow. Accumulation of fouls is alright if you put your foot in and mistime it but if you accidentally graze a bloke because he has a swing at the ball while you're running with him it's not a yellow. Bollocks decision.

So who plays left mid next week because that didn't work?

He should not have disrupted Pienaar and Baines and Mirallas and Coleman and I don't think Big Vic has ever really shone on the wing. In the middle, however, I'm not sure what options he has. We really shot ourselves in the foot by missing out on that lad Odjidja-Ofoe as it means that, particularly with Gibson and Fellaini out, we are very light in the middle.

Maybe it was a day to go with an ultra defensive Heitinga and Neville combo with Osman ahead of them.

He would have got criticism for picking that side but it would have left the wings as they were.

All in hindsight of course, and with no guarantee it would have been any better.

2) Our squad depth lacks quantity and quality.

3) Each 'star' player we lose drops us from 3rd/4th by 1 or 2 places.

4) We are playing 9th.

5) The fates are conspiring (injuries, refs and players' own stupidity) and will no doubt continue to allow us to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory in the derby.

6) The only way Neville will replace Coleman is if Gibson comes back, then Coleman will be pushed forward.

7) Moyes still gets these "I'm a real slim shady of a manager" with these cunning plans aka square pegs in round holes.

8) All the assistant, their headphones, ear pieces, clipboards, etc should have been able to spot Pienaar's first booking.

9) Osman, who didn't have a worse game than many others, had run out of legs in the last 15-20 mins.

10) Moyes, who has been accused of making decisions based on the lottery system — "If I keep buying a ticket, I must win one week" — needs to get Mystic Meg involved tout suite.

It's funny that some posters who use the old square pegs in round holes soundbite are somehow suggesting that Miralles isn't a left sided player and that Pienaar was not the captain of South Africa playing in the middle.

Bad day at the office for everyone but Jags and Howard, that includes Moyes and the ref.

after the lad rolled Neville he should have fouled him,may have got away with a booking as it was early and in their half.

Centre mid was non existent for us yesterday, we desperately need Gibson or Fellaini back asap.

For me Jagielka and Howard were the only 2 who played up to standard yesterday.

I'd like to see some suggestions of who should be picked instead of him from all the whingers.. Yeah he's not great but he's all we've got.

Why is it Barkley's not ready to play for us because he makes mistakes while Neville fucks up week in week out but thats ok because he's the best in the league at pointing his finger.

I'm not suggesting Barkley should be playing for us all the time but using his inexperience as a reason for him not to play some part is a non-starter when Neville shows experience doesn't stop you from being shite.

You ask who should have played instead of Neville, well considering I think Neville is the worst midfielder in the history of the game I would pick anyone ahead of him, give Mucha a go there he can't be any worse.

Did you want Baines or Coleman to commit to a tackle when it was 2 v 2,? If they didn't win the tackle it would have meant qpr would have had a free run on goal and all the time in the world.

Baines did the right thing by not jumping in forcing the qpr player to either try and beat him or take a shot from distance.

Hoilet was running from right to left across the pitch, the angle he was running at meant he would have been a good few yards wide of the goal if he had of waited till he got in the area to have his shot and the further wide he went the better the strike would have had to have been to beat Howard.

So I would have been quite happy for Baines to continue to back off as long as Hoilet continued heading towards the corner. If Hoilet had decided to run directly at goal then I think you would have seen Baines left with no choice but to make a tackle.

COYB

Lets not start worrying about the other lot, some people's fear of them is indicative of Moyes paranoia. We are not playing Barca or even Man CIty we are playing a team that are 12th and are awful. We have to believe too.

But I've a better memory than ol' Pete. I seem to remember keeping with the winning team and then losing to West Brom was also tactically inept in his eyes. Pete's comments from that thread (if anyone cares to search): Daft Davey was just exposing his TACTICAL INEPTNESS once again. Moving Neville into midfield was the perfect example of Davey's TIMID SAFETY-FIRST approach to far too many games. He had the options: Heitinga into midfield or Felliani dropping back and Mirallas going up front with Jelly... but not for our Davey.

So keeping a winning team was inept, and changing it was inept. He's not going to win Pete over anytime soon...

Other thoughts...

Mirallas needs to look up a bit more, and come up with a bit of variation, I lost count of the number of times he cut inside and then had his shot blocked.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, Coleman cannot be trusted at right back. The return of Hibbo cannot come soon enough.

As soon as Pienaar lost the ball just prior to the sending off I was screaming at him to back off, you could see what was going to happen. Yes he was unlucky that the QPR player clipped him and fell over, but it looked like a tackle from behind and there was only going to be one result after the lecture he had 30 seconds earlier.

"I would like to see Heitnga partner Distin at the back to see if that is a better fit than Heitinga /Jags I also think Oviedo should be given a run out at LB and we should retain Coleman at RB too. Upfront Mirralas and Vic should be played and Osman or Pienaar given a rest in favour of Naismith."

The team as I remember was

Howard
Coleman Heitina Distin Oveido
Mirallas Neville Fellaini Pienaar
Naismith
Anichebe

The next day without a hint of irony he posts
"Moyes Team selection , Moyes game TACTICS, Moyes and his management teams responsibility to check and asses the opposition.
Moyes FAULT - End Of!!!!!!"

Why is that the sad thing? Shouldn't the sad thing be that we're now going to be without Pienaar and Fellaini, making much more difficult to win the game? But you just show that its not really the results that you seem to care about, it's just whether or not you get to have a go at Moyes. I'm upset that probably our 2 best midfielders are now out of the Derby, not that some might have the audacity to point that fact out in case we don't win. Get over your obsession.

It's not a bad excuse to use is it Brian?

I think any team with their first choice right back, left winger and two central midfielders out would struggle. Especially when you've got a squad as small as ours.

For the derby, Neville has to play right back. He'll do well there against the Shite. Thinking that Heitinga is probably the only one to slot into CDM if that happens and we keep the same formation. Someone mentioned earlier 5-3-2 for this game. Maybe a good time to try. As long as Fizzer isn't in the middle and Big Vic is on the bench (for fuck's sake, Davey, he's proven he's a useless starter and a handy sub), I won't complain about the team.

Firstly, re-read my post. I don't indicate whether I support or oppose Moyes's reign. You may imply that my post indicates I do, but my whole post is aimed at you and exposing your ever changing views to suit your hate for Moyes.

Not that it needs exposing. See Graham's post @758 for other examples. I await a classic Pete response to that, or will I save us all the time and respond for you? Something like 'Yes, you keep your blinkers on. Being beaten by Leeds proves he's the Moyesiah?' perhaps. That's generic enough that you don't actually have to explain your contradictory posts.

* Everton have taken exactly the same number of shots (157) as Man City this season. No club has taken more.
* Everton have become the first PL team to reach double figures for hitting the woodwork this season after Phil Jagielka and Sylvain Distin joined the club v QPR.
* Phil Neville found a teammate with 100% of his 31 passes v QPR on Sunday

Fine.

But if you're interested in balance and/or truth, could you also include the 'fucked up, gave away possession, chased back like a twat and was responsible for giving away a goal' statistics?

Or maybe you could give us the 'passes that create something rather than 10 yard square balls that could be made made by a 13 year old boy' statistics?

Or the 'getting done for pace so keep giving away daft fouls' statistics.

Statistics might be 'facts' but they're selective and imo, rarely tell the story.

However, the pass may have been completed but it doesn't state whether it was twatted chest high at someone or that it was put in such an area as the man had three men around him.

Moyes just has to stop fitting Neville in wherever he can, he did the same with Cahill and Saha, I think it's going to be more of the same this Sunday because of the lack of options unfortunately, I know he wouldn't do it, but it would be interesting to see if Duffy could do a job in a CM holding role, he looks as though he's got a bit more about him than just a centre half clogger.

Some mental defective on a day out from Rampton (and also a Shite supporter) got onto the live feed for this game. Watching the game was bad enough without some retard spouting out of the wrong orifice. For me, it was intruding on private grief. I am sure you will have taken the relevant steps before the derby.

As I am not mis quoting you, maybe I'm just misinterpreting you, I'm sure most people will make their own mind up, you were hoping for seven players to be picked, Davey amazingly actually did exactly that and then you said his team selection was at fault.
Can you not see the absurdity of your position?

Jamie, we still should have enough to beat them, especially when the shite have been playing a fair few of the kids and will probalby do so againg in the derby.